Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - RILEY GAINES PODCAST： Olivia Krolczyk's Fight Against Campus Censorship

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00:00:25.340 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast,

00:00:27.860 where we are advocating for girls, and today we are advocating for the freedom of speech.

00:00:33.100 My next guest, her name is Olivia Krolczyk.

00:00:36.120 She is incredible.

00:00:37.320 Not only is she beautiful and articulate,

00:00:39.720 she's fighting for something that grown men can even find themselves fighting for.

00:00:44.140 And here is my interview with Olivia.

00:00:48.460 Hello, Olivia.

00:00:49.680 I am so, so excited to have you on.

00:00:52.600 I have been wanting to talk to you face-to-face for a long time.

00:00:55.460 I know we were both at the YWLS conference together, but we missed each other.

00:00:59.240 And so I have been dying to have this conversation.

00:01:02.380 So just really, thank you so much for coming on the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:01:07.300 Thank you so much for having me on.

00:01:08.540 It's an honor to be talking to you right now.

00:01:10.420 This is awesome.

00:01:11.760 Well, first and foremost, I just want to say what an inspiration to me you have been.

00:01:18.920 You were presented with a situation that you could have never prepared for.

00:01:22.880 This is not something you ever wanted, but the way you have handled it, the way you have

00:01:28.400 responded, and really the way you have ultimately rolled your sleeves up and said enough is enough

00:01:33.380 is really powerful and extremely admirable.

00:01:36.360 And so I kind of just wanted to start with that.

00:01:39.260 If you could tell us a little bit about you, where you're from, and ultimately what led you

00:01:46.020 to sticking up for what you're sticking up for.

00:01:48.760 Of course.

00:01:49.200 Yeah, so I'm actually originally from the Chicagoland area, but I decided to attend University

00:01:54.600 of Cincinnati once my family moved here for my dad's job.

00:01:58.140 And I'm a chemistry major.

00:01:59.260 I'm 20 years old at UC, and I decided to take this women's gender studies course this summer.

00:02:05.620 I'm actually enrolled in about 34 credit hours a summer because I'm on track to graduate

00:02:10.900 a year and a half early with my chemistry degree.

00:02:12.880 So the whole situation has been extremely stressful because I was already taking a year's worth

00:02:18.280 of credits in a couple months.

00:02:19.860 So it's definitely been a lot of work.

00:02:21.900 Oh my gosh, 34 hours.

00:02:26.320 That is more than I have ever heard anyone take.

00:02:30.180 And so it was a gender women's study course. 0.56

00:02:33.400 Was this for an elective?

00:02:34.860 I imagine you don't need this for your chemistry major unless, hey, they might be adding this

00:02:39.100 into the curriculum for chemistry nowadays.

00:02:41.160 Actually, I probably wouldn't put it past them.

00:02:43.160 But was this just an elective course?

00:02:44.820 Did you choose to take this to kind of broaden your horizon, your understanding of what this

00:02:49.180 meant?

00:02:49.440 So this satisfied two different requirements for me.

00:02:53.060 Obviously, I wouldn't take the class if I didn't want to.

00:02:55.720 But it satisfied the free elective courses that you have to take to reach 120 credits

00:03:01.320 to graduate in college.

00:03:02.640 So I needed a lot of courses for that.

00:03:04.740 So I decided to take it for that reason.

00:03:06.160 And then also, we have diversity, equity, and inclusion requirements, DEI.

00:03:11.160 Most colleges have those.

00:03:12.500 You have to take certain categories of classes.

00:03:15.200 So this satisfied one of them.

00:03:16.400 And so it was just like a good combination to knock both of those out at the same time.

00:03:21.080 Gotcha.

00:03:21.920 OK, so you take the course.

00:03:24.660 Tell us about what led you to be in the position you're in.

00:03:28.820 My understanding is you had to write an essay.

00:03:32.060 Can you tell us about the topic of the essay and how your teacher responded upon turning in

00:03:36.900 your assignment?

00:03:38.100 Yeah, of course.

00:03:38.520 I'll go back even farther than that.

00:03:39.940 The project was about feminism. 1.00

00:03:41.540 And the whole class was pretty much about feminism. 1.00

00:03:44.180 I mean, it's a women's gender studies course. 0.84

00:03:46.000 So you expect my teacher to know what a woman is. 1.00

00:03:48.360 But anyway, so the project was about feminism. 1.00

00:03:50.020 And I chose to write about the history of rights and opportunities that women have had

00:03:54.960 in athletics.

00:03:55.420 And I actually talked about your story because you've been an inspiration to me and so many

00:03:59.980 people out there.

00:04:00.840 And I think what has happened to you is just indescribable.

00:04:03.540 And so obviously part of my project touched on the fact that, you know what, these rights

00:04:08.900 of biological women are being taken away each and every day that we continue to allow men 1.00

00:04:13.560 in our sports.

00:04:15.000 And in using the term biological woman, my professor said it was exclusionary and was contributing

00:04:20.760 to heteronormativity.

00:04:22.240 And then in further emails back and forth with her, she basically told me that, you know,

00:04:26.520 it was transphobic to even have this topic in class.

00:04:29.420 I have never heard of the word heteronormativity.

00:04:35.440 When I first saw your story, that's ultimately what caught my attention is that it reinforced

00:04:41.140 heteronormativity, indicating that it is in fact normal for a woman to be attracted to

00:04:48.240 a male.

00:04:49.000 Yes.

00:04:49.320 I didn't think that was a problem to reinforce that.

00:04:52.440 Nothing against, you know, people who I want to like who they like.

00:04:57.080 It's nothing against that, but it is normal to, for a male to be attracted to a female

00:05:02.000 and vice versa.

00:05:02.680 So that, that blew my mind and all for, and I loved how you said it's a course essentially

00:05:09.280 on feminism. 0.99

00:05:09.980 And you would imagine your teacher knows what a woman is, yet you got reprimanded for using 1.00

00:05:15.640 the term biological woman.

00:05:18.440 Um, that blows my mind.

00:05:19.960 Okay.

00:05:20.120 So you got your assignment back.

00:05:21.640 Um, ultimately, what was your, your reaction when she said this?

00:05:26.740 I mean, I, I can't even imagine what I would do if I had a teacher, someone who is supposed

00:05:31.800 to be teaching higher education.

00:05:35.300 Tell me that biological woman is offensive. 1.00

00:05:39.300 Yeah.

00:05:39.480 Honestly, I was sitting at my kitchen counter and I got the notification that my grade dropped

00:05:44.000 to, I think it was like 49% or something, something crazy.

00:05:47.220 And I was like, oh my gosh, what just happened?

00:05:49.340 What did I do?

00:05:49.880 I don't fail classes.

00:05:51.160 So I freaked out.

00:05:52.540 And then I saw her comment saying that biological woman was the reason that she failed me. 0.94

00:05:57.380 And I laughed because I thought it was a joke.

00:06:00.220 I did not believe this was actually happening.

00:06:02.180 Why would a professor fail a student for saying biological woman?

00:06:05.680 That's insane.

00:06:07.020 If anything, and this would be done too, to knock down points, but I feel like that would

00:06:11.680 be a more appropriate reaction to a student using the term is to knock a couple points off

00:06:16.660 rather than fail the student.

00:06:18.400 So I, my mom was sitting next to me and we both like worked on an email to send to my

00:06:22.960 professor, just wondering what's going on.

00:06:25.380 Like, how can I fix this?

00:06:26.440 Like, I don't understand why biological woman isn't allowed. 0.94

00:06:29.560 And so you sent the email.

00:06:32.220 And so what did your, what did your teacher respond back?

00:06:36.340 Well, we had quite the exchange of emails in which she pretty much let me know that.

00:06:41.960 I don't know the exact wording because she uses a lot of long, fancy words to try to throw 1.00

00:06:46.260 me off.

00:06:46.700 Such as heteronormativity.

00:06:49.260 She lengthened that word in an interview and said cis heteronormativity.

00:06:52.920 And I was like, oh my gosh.

00:06:54.340 But she pretty much said that sex was not determined at birth and that it's transphobic to say these

00:06:59.600 terms.

00:07:00.320 And I'm like, to state facts, that's not, that's not transphobic.

00:07:04.340 She's right.

00:07:04.880 Sex isn't determined at birth.

00:07:06.260 It's, it's determined before birth.

00:07:08.680 Sex is determined at conception.

00:07:10.360 Um, so for her to take this approach of, of this whole assigned at birth, sex assigned 0.97

00:07:17.600 at birth, that's the most silly thing I've ever heard in my, in my life.

00:07:22.340 Um, that's not when it's assigned. 0.61

00:07:23.960 And so I just want to applaud you for sticking your ground.

00:07:26.540 And so from there, where did it go?

00:07:28.820 I know you guys had this email exchange.

00:07:31.260 Um, when did you, what, what point in this process did you really decide to go public and

00:07:37.100 kind of exposing this situation?

00:07:38.820 Yeah.

00:07:39.800 So actually during our emails, I realized I was not going to get anywhere.

00:07:45.120 And as the like high academic performing student that I am, I was like super nervous.

00:07:49.980 I cannot fail this class.

00:07:51.500 I don't want to do that.

00:07:52.620 I don't want to retake it or waste the money on the class.

00:07:54.620 So I was like, well, can I just do another project?

00:07:57.200 And she was like, yeah, that's fine.

00:07:58.760 You can turn it in by the end of the like semester, but it was like an expedited course.

00:08:03.900 So the semester ended in like two to three days.

00:08:06.260 And I was like, wait, what?

00:08:07.220 And then it clicked in my head where I was like, I can't conform to this professor.

00:08:11.600 And I'm guilty to say that.

00:08:13.080 I'm ashamed to say that I was about to, like, I was so close to just, you know, doing a new

00:08:16.680 project.

00:08:17.040 And I realized if I don't say something, then there's going to be so many more students she

00:08:22.520 does this to.

00:08:23.180 And there already are so many students that this is happening to.

00:08:25.920 Well, wow, that literally gives me chills to hear you say that, because truthfully, in my

00:08:32.160 situation, too, I was a coward for a long time.

00:08:34.800 I adhered.

00:08:35.800 I competed against Thomas.

00:08:37.140 I was quiet for majority of the season until ultimately I came to the same realization of

00:08:41.660 you, as you, of really understanding if we can't stand for basic truths and the morals

00:08:47.760 that we have, what do we stand for?

00:08:50.900 And so that's, I'm sure you feel as if you've been some lone voice and lone face really fighting

00:08:57.200 for this and advocating for what you're advocating for, which is ultimately freedom of speech,

00:09:01.600 which I don't know, I don't know why this freedom of speech should not be bipartisan or

00:09:07.760 partisan, I guess it should be bipartisan.

00:09:10.240 People across the political spectrum should acknowledge that freedom of speech is a good

00:09:15.320 thing.

00:09:15.820 Why, why has censorship suddenly been embraced on college campuses?

00:09:19.840 And so I guess that's my next question for you is ultimately, where do you see the direction

00:09:26.060 of colleges going?

00:09:27.800 Because again, in my experience, I just came from one.

00:09:30.620 The amount of silencing that we dealt with as female athletes, and it was effective. 1.00

00:09:36.900 The tactics they use, the emotional blackmail, the intimidation that they use to try to silence

00:09:42.680 us, it worked.

00:09:45.380 And so where do you see the direction of colleges going?

00:09:49.120 I see it going in a very bad direction, but I think that you, me, and so many other people

00:09:54.120 who've spoken up can change that.

00:09:56.180 Hopefully, I think, I think we are going to change that.

00:09:58.380 But honestly, it was shocking to see how difficult it was for me to even get the school to do

00:10:04.000 something about it.

00:10:05.100 I had been nagging administration for weeks, but I think it was about two weeks until my

00:10:10.000 grade was changed.

00:10:11.060 Two weeks of me sending emails, me asking people, begging people, can we please have a meeting

00:10:16.380 tomorrow?

00:10:16.820 Like, can you please do this?

00:10:18.240 No one wanted to help me.

00:10:19.780 No.

00:10:20.000 And until I got in the hands of the right person, then my grade was changed.

00:10:24.440 But even then, I filed a free speech complaint with the school, and the school formally reprimanded

00:10:31.320 my professor.

00:10:32.400 But I found out a few days later that they quietly reversed this once the media on my situation

00:10:37.980 died down.

00:10:38.620 They quietly reversed this reprimand on my professor, and she's getting away with the freedom

00:10:43.280 of speech, like suppression.

00:10:44.880 So I know that if my school is doing this, this is happening at so many schools, and it's

00:10:49.600 going to keep happening.

00:10:50.680 So we're going down a very bad path.

00:10:53.020 No doubt about that.

00:10:54.440 And when you say reprimand, what consequences did that really look like for your teacher?

00:11:00.080 And have you guys had any dialogue since this became very public?

00:11:03.980 Has your teacher reached out?

00:11:05.480 I've seen that really, I respect you a lot because you weren't even the one to make her

00:11:10.040 name public.

00:11:10.720 Um, you kept her name entirely out of it until she came forward and then accused you of all

00:11:16.480 of the things.

00:11:17.340 Um, and, and I, I want you to touch on that. 0.91

00:11:19.360 She called you a white, a white supremacist. 0.92

00:11:22.440 I mean, it's, it's literally crazy. 0.83

00:11:24.720 And so can you touch on that?

00:11:26.820 Have y'all had any conversations, um, since, since you came public?

00:11:32.060 Uh, well, so getting back to what you said about the reprimand, so that pretty much means

00:11:35.960 that they were going to put this in her professional file for, you know, all future employers.

00:11:41.420 And then a, I think it was a free speech training and submit her syllabus for the upcoming school 0.86

00:11:46.140 year, which I personally think is a slap on the hand for what she's done.

00:11:49.860 And then they just retracted that.

00:11:51.960 So it doesn't even matter.

00:11:52.760 But then, yeah, the communication between me and the professor has been silenced.

00:11:57.100 It's like her and I have not directly communicated at all since we discussed, I think the day

00:12:02.380 or a few days after she failed me because then it was all through the administration at school

00:12:07.240 because I didn't want to deal with her.

00:12:08.660 I didn't want to say anything I would regret and I didn't want to hear anything else from

00:12:11.300 her.

00:12:12.020 So then, yeah, she released her own name because the, the point of me speaking about this on

00:12:17.440 social media was not to be like, Hey, everyone go attack my professor.

00:12:20.500 Look what she just did. 1.00

00:12:21.580 I didn't want that.

00:12:22.260 That's not the whole point of my story.

00:12:24.300 My story is about the fact that I'm one of so many like experiences out there.

00:12:29.500 Like I am one of so many people who are being suppressed on their college campuses.

00:12:33.800 So I was just bringing awareness to that.

00:12:35.460 And I think she saw the publicity and attention that I was getting and she wanted in on that.

00:12:40.740 So she played the victim card, of course, as many people try to do and has said a lot of

00:12:46.620 things that are just either simply untrue or unfair to say.

00:12:50.080 Do you feel as if, well, I, I'm pretty certain I know your answer because I know how I felt

00:12:57.980 in college.

00:12:58.520 I had to take a, my major was actually chemistry at first as well.

00:13:01.900 And I had to take a lot of ethics courses and different, um, I actually took a gender

00:13:06.100 study course as well.

00:13:07.820 Um, and I felt like I had to tailor my papers a certain way to get a good grade.

00:13:13.260 And, and what I'm noticing is across the country, that's the consensus, even in the South, like

00:13:19.620 where I went, University of Kentucky, we felt this way.

00:13:22.740 And so I entirely agree with you that this is, it's happening all over, um, about the

00:13:29.360 backlash, how I mentioned she, she came out and essentially used the argument of your, your 1.00

00:13:34.600 argument was based in white supremacy.

00:13:36.880 Um, have you gotten a lot of backlash or do you just kind of get the name calling such

00:13:42.620 as being called a racist for saying freedom of speech should exist?

00:13:46.940 Isn't that crazy to be called a racist?

00:13:49.220 Calling out being suppressed in school.

00:13:50.980 It's so, it's so weird to see where people's heads are at, but, uh, yeah, there has been

00:13:56.680 a lot of backlash, a lot of name calling, obviously the death threats are like, I'm going to show

00:14:00.840 up at your house.

00:14:01.480 I'm like, okay, please do.

00:14:02.600 Um, yeah, wow.

00:14:04.580 Like, it's just a lot of that.

00:14:06.160 And like, I haven't had a ton of questioning of what I'm saying because they actually have

00:14:11.180 no, no objection to what I'm saying.

00:14:13.500 They're just like, you're transphobic.

00:14:14.700 And I'm like, okay, but you have no real argument that says a lot more about you than

00:14:19.680 me.

00:14:20.020 And it says that my argument is real.

00:14:21.800 And I actually am saying the truth and you can't even argue against that.

00:14:25.260 So you're just going to call me a name.

00:14:26.740 And I love that you can acknowledge that because this cancel culture that we live in, they want

00:14:32.000 you to think you'll be canceled.

00:14:33.260 They want you to be scared of the name calling, but that really is all it is.

00:14:38.160 And it speaks more to their insecurities than it does to yours.

00:14:41.920 I saw people on Tik TOK, Olivia.

00:14:43.600 I saw people coming for your eyebrows.

00:14:45.880 Is that, is that what they're going to resort to?

00:14:49.020 And you're right.

00:14:49.520 It's because they can't dissuade from your argument, which is actually really powerful

00:14:53.620 and it, and it should boost your confidence.

00:14:56.040 Um, I think when people can look at a situation and take the negative, such as the backlash 0.93

00:15:01.380 you're getting, which does, which does suck. 0.74

00:15:03.820 Um, there's no taking away from that. 0.93

00:15:06.140 It's not fun.

00:15:07.060 It's not enjoyable.

00:15:07.780 It is, it does take a toll on you, but if you can take that backlash you're getting and

00:15:12.420 ultimately use it to fuel your argument, I wish more people had that, that same perspective

00:15:17.740 that you have.

00:15:19.140 Um, but what about the positive?

00:15:21.920 Have you received a lot of good feedback?

00:15:24.600 Have you had a lot of doors being open for you?

00:15:27.580 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:28.480 I mean, the opportunities that I have had are just absolutely incredible.

00:15:32.060 And the support from people like you and all these other speakers who have spoken up about,

00:15:36.220 you know, men in their sports and the ones that really stick out to me are actually the

00:15:40.880 parents of young girls who are messaging me and saying, I have two daughters who are running

00:15:45.820 cross country, just like you did.

00:15:47.220 Thank you so much for protecting them.

00:15:48.900 Thank you so much for sticking up for them and their futures.

00:15:51.400 And I'm like, that's why I'm doing this.

00:15:53.580 Like, it's not really me.

00:15:56.380 It's for all of these other girls and not even just girls, but for college students, for 0.54

00:16:00.040 young men, like all of these people, I want to help them.

00:16:03.040 I mean, America was built on freedom of speech.

00:16:05.600 That's why we are what we are.

00:16:07.400 And colleges are now trying to take that away.

00:16:09.680 And like we said earlier, it's going down a bad path.

00:16:12.720 You know, Olivia, you sound like you're filled with hate.

00:16:15.700 Um, you sound just super hateful.

00:16:17.460 No, how could anyone listen to your argument and say that that's hateful?

00:16:21.500 I mean, I, I hear the compassion coming from your voice, advocating for what you're advocating

00:16:26.820 for.

00:16:27.180 It really is for everyone, all ages, all, all sexual orientations, even all gender identities.

00:16:33.180 That's who you're advocating for, to be able to speak freely, um, voice your opinions.

00:16:38.740 I mean, I don't, I don't understand how that's, that's controversial.

00:16:42.520 Um, I really, I, I really don't.

00:16:45.780 And the other thing is like, you don't have to be a great swimmer like you to speak up.

00:16:52.980 You don't have to be the smartest in class to speak up.

00:16:55.400 You don't have to experience this to speak up because everyone has a voice and we need

00:16:59.600 everyone's voice to back us up now.

00:17:01.300 Like it's going to be in numbers that we can solve this issue.

00:17:04.800 You are absolutely right.

00:17:06.340 And that's the message.

00:17:07.700 I mean, if there's one message people can convey from this is that you shouldn't have

00:17:12.740 to be directly impacted before you speak up.

00:17:15.040 And I know I mentioned me and I, I did wait until I was impacted in similar to you too,

00:17:20.720 but if we wait until every single person is impacted before they use their voice, it's

00:17:25.640 too late.

00:17:26.260 And so I so appreciate that, that push for encouragement that you just gave, everyone

00:17:32.180 should be speaking up about these issues, whether that's freedom of speech, whether that's

00:17:36.800 one of the many cultural issues that we're facing, whether that's in corporate America,

00:17:41.540 academia, the media, there are so many places where people could and should be speaking

00:17:47.360 up and we shouldn't wait until we are impacted.

00:17:50.160 Seriously.

00:17:51.740 I, I love that.

00:17:54.040 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:17:55.900 Sorry, go ahead.

00:17:57.100 I was just saying, I totally agree with what you said.

00:17:58.840 It's so important that everyone, you know, shares their voice.

00:18:01.940 Have you regretted going public?

00:18:04.560 As I mentioned, the backlash, as you talked about the backlash, it's a lot.

00:18:09.280 And so have you regretted it?

00:18:10.320 And are you nervous about your future?

00:18:11.860 Are you nervous?

00:18:12.640 You're going to, to, to not get a job or to not get into grad school or anything like

00:18:17.120 that because of taking the stance that you've taken?

00:18:19.820 No, not at all.

00:18:20.680 I don't regret it at all.

00:18:21.640 There were times where I was, you know, this was getting to be a lot.

00:18:25.280 There were three to four interviews a day.

00:18:27.060 And I was just like, I want to go back to being normal, Olivia, a college student, average

00:18:31.140 person.

00:18:31.600 But I think that there's a reason I'm here.

00:18:33.560 And there's a reason that this happened to me is because I'm supposed to speak up and I'm

00:18:37.480 not worried about my future at all.

00:18:39.040 I think it's going in great places because of what I'm trying to do.

00:18:42.700 And honestly, a lot of people are like, I hope you never get a job because of this.

00:18:46.760 I hope you like have a horrible future, you know, all these threats and horrible comments.

00:18:50.440 And I'm like, I don't want to work for a company that disagrees with me anyway.

00:18:54.780 So it's totally fine.

00:18:57.440 That is what I want people to realize too, is if you fear as if you can't speak out, you

00:19:05.720 have to adhere or you're coerced by some sort of authority figure.

00:19:09.720 Do you really want to be working for them to deny womanhood, to deny the sheer essence

00:19:16.460 of humanity, man versus woman?

00:19:18.320 Do you want to be working for someone who denies that really?

00:19:23.800 Once you say the truth, it is, it is liberating.

00:19:26.600 You feel as if when you don't have to adhere, you feel like a weight is off, off of your shoulders,

00:19:31.860 at least speaking from my experience.

00:19:33.480 And once you do that, you never look back.

00:19:37.560 Oh my gosh, you are like a breath of fresh air.

00:19:40.100 Wouldn't it be just wonderful if everyone could have the same mindset that you do and

00:19:46.060 understanding of these issues?

00:19:47.600 Because really it is in regards to this, all of this gender ideology stuff and using the

00:19:53.620 term biological woman, look, this is biology. 1.00

00:19:57.060 These are sex-based terms, woman, that this is not a fluid term. 0.97

00:20:01.240 This term doesn't change just because we want it to fit a narrative.

00:20:06.200 I mean, feminism, look, these terms don't change. 1.00

00:20:10.500 They're not fluid.

00:20:11.260 And so to have you speaking out, I couldn't be more grateful.

00:20:16.460 And as you mentioned, parents across the country, girls, boys, everyone, we have you to thank.

00:20:22.140 And I only see your future getting brighter and brighter.

00:20:24.580 Um, so I guess my last question, what are you going to continue doing?

00:20:31.640 Um, I know I heard today you're actually working with the Leadership Institute in regards to

00:20:37.640 some different trainings and how to really equip yourself with effective ways to communicate

00:20:43.060 and really how to go out into the world and continue making an impact.

00:20:47.380 And so can you talk about that?

00:20:49.120 Yeah, for sure.

00:20:49.700 The Leadership Institute has been beyond amazing and super helpful with training me and helping

00:20:54.940 me with my public speaking and all this stuff.

00:20:58.180 And I hope I'm doing an okay job now since I just got back from training.

00:21:01.880 But yeah, they've just been amazing.

00:21:03.120 And I hope that I will continue to speak out and do more interviews and influence more students

00:21:09.200 to speak up because if we all continue to be censored, no change is going to happen.

00:21:12.880 So hopefully you'll see me speaking on stages at one day, one day, and just like sharing

00:21:18.300 the word about what happened to me and not only what happened to me, but what's happening

00:21:21.500 to so many other students out there.

00:21:23.480 Well, I can tell you, um, through the Riley Gaines Center at the Leadership Institute, we

00:21:29.160 will be putting you on college campuses, talking about this, going to different environments

00:21:33.860 and sharing your perspective on how you were affected, why freedom of speech is necessary.

00:21:40.840 It's not just needed, it's, it's necessary for a culture to thrive.

00:21:45.500 I mean, look at what happens when you take that away.

00:21:47.900 We've seen it.

00:21:48.780 I mean, look at Germany, Russia, North Korea, China, Brazil, Cuba, all of these places.

00:21:53.860 This is the first steps to Marxism and you are combating that.

00:21:57.840 Um, and so I, again, I couldn't be more proud of you.

00:22:02.820 Thank you.

00:22:03.400 That means so much coming from you.

00:22:04.820 I mean, obviously you've been a huge inspiration in my life and in me speaking out.

00:22:08.480 So I really appreciate everything that you have done for so many people.

00:22:11.780 Well, um, I think together we have a lot of cool things in our future.

00:22:15.760 I think we're going to collaborate on, on a lot of things, um, regarding college campuses,

00:22:20.000 all of those things.

00:22:20.940 And so I look forward to catching up with you again soon.

00:22:24.280 Um, and good luck with everything.

00:22:26.320 If only everyone could have the same mindset and courage and resiliency that Olivia has,

00:22:35.000 then America wouldn't be going in this downward spiral that we are today.

00:22:39.100 Um, she's an inspiration to me.

00:22:41.120 She's a big reason in why I'm fighting for what I'm fighting for.

00:22:45.060 Uh, make sure you check out outkick.com to find this podcast gains for girls or anywhere 0.99

00:22:50.260 where you stream your podcasts.

00:22:51.960 Thank you guys.

00:22:52.840 And I can't wait to catch you next time.

00:22:56.320 Bye.

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - July 19, 2023

RILEY GAINES PODCAST： Olivia Krolczyk's Fight Against Campus Censorship

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