Riley Gaines Responds to Pablo Torre’s Smear Piece
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On Thanksgiving Day, a man I had never heard of releases a deep dive article titled How Rightwing Swimmer Riley Gaines Built an Anti-Trans Empire . The subtitle says the swimmer tied a trans woman for fifth place in the 2017 Miss USA pageant. The article features this picture of me too.
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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast. I trust that you had a very
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fantastic and fruitful Thanksgiving. Hopefully you got to spend some time with your family,
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enjoying time off work. You got to eat good food and really just allowing yourself to sit in the
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stillness and reflect, reflect on what you're grateful for. At the Barker household, I mentioned
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on the last episode, the episode that was released on Wednesday that we had a turkey from Popeye's.
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Yeah, like Popeye's chicken. It was really, really good. I'm just going to like hope and assume that
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it wasn't pumped full of like preservatives and things that would make RFK Jr. super mad,
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but it was really good. We also talked about on the last episode how I would be doing almost like
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a reaction because truthfully, I have not even remotely bothered myself to look at the pretty
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pathetic excuse of this like groundbreaking investigative reporting on me by Pablo Torre.
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This is a man who I've never heard of before. Not a knock at him necessarily, like just someone
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I've never heard of. So you can imagine my surprise when a man I had never heard of releases a deep
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dive article titled how right-wing superstar Riley Gaines built an anti-trans empire. The subtitle says
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the swimmer tied a trans woman for fifth. The MAGA industrial complex took care of the rest. The
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article features this picture of me too, which doesn't make me look very good, but I'm not going
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to lie. I kind of like like the ambiance of it. They've got me standing there in my swimsuit from
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University of Kentucky, which has the University of Kentucky emblem on it. I wonder if that's some
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sort of copyright infringement. We should look into that, but it's got me standing hands on the hips.
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I'm clearly in Washington, DC. You've got the flag flying in the back, the Capitol building behind me,
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uh, people doing my makeup, putting lipstick on me, curling my hair, spraying perfume. You've got
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someone who's like holding a phone as if we're at a gaggle and a Fox news microphone, similar to the
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one that I'm sat in front of right now, obviously with the outkick emblem. So maybe this has the
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opposite effect as Pablo or whoever the illustrator was intended for it to have, because I actually
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think it looks pretty cool. This article it's by mother Jones. I guess that's the outlet of which
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Pablo partnered with. Again, like I have no idea the structure of how this works. The article is
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super duper long and accompanying the article is a podcast episode. Podcast episode is from Pablo's
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podcast, which he calls Pablo Torre finds out, which we will talk about why that's kind of ironic
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in a minute. And the title of the episode is what is Riley Gaines hiding? Question mark. We
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investigated. At least that's what it's titled on YouTube on the other podcast platforms. The episode
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is titled all American grift. We investigated Trump's favorite sports troll. Those two titles
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make the episodes agenda and the tone of which you're going to hear Pablo and his reporters
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talk about me. It makes it abundantly clear what they're trying to accomplish. And before
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we get into the episode and the content of this ridiculous article, let's be very, very clear
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what Pablo and his like groupies engaged in. It isn't journalism. This was a smear campaign.
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If mother Jones, if these reporters took a single moment to talk to any of the people, especially
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the women who have been fighting against gender ideology for over a decade, maybe there would have
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been like a semblance of balance here. But of course that was not the goal. The goal was to paint me
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as some like MAGA creation, like this right wing grievance driven grifter and thereby paint the
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entire movement to restore women's sex-based rights, to protect children, to protect parental
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rights as a right wing political strategy, not based in any valid arguments, not a movement
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bringing women and men together from across the political divide, not a movement grounded in basic
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biological reality and concern for actual women. This article came out mid-November. I got an email
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end of October, actually October 27th to be exact. I'm looking at the email right here. It says,
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Dear Riley, my name is Madison Pauley. I'm a reporter for the Center for Investigative Reporting,
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working on a Mother Jones magazine story and video podcast episode in collaboration with the
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Pablo Torre Finds Out podcast. She goes on to say, this is, this story is a profile piece of me.
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They'd been doing this piece for several months now. And she says, I have a couple questions.
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I would love to clarify with you. She says she wants to give me a chance to respond to some of these
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things. She then goes on to say that she spoke to three of my teammates at the University of Kentucky
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who swam with me on the women's swim team. Now I did not respond to this email. I was not even
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going to give her a chance to twist my words because based on the questions that she was asking
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me to respond to and just how pointed and sharp and obviously biased they were. I knew this was a
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piece that was not coming from a place of journalistic integrity. I knew these people did
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not possess a shred of honesty or common sense for that matter. And I knew how this piece was going
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to paint me regardless of what I said. Let me read you a few of the questions that she sent over
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to me. Now there will be some important context that I'll provide in a minute surrounding my time
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at the University of Kentucky and some allegations that came out surrounding my head coach, Lars
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Jorgensen, after I had graduated. He had been accused of some really horrific sexual acts against
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athletes on the team, which I'm not here to weigh in on if I think that's true or not. Again,
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this was after I had graduated. These things came to light. I will say I never saw anything.
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I never heard anything. I was never a part of any of this behavior. He's again now being accused of.
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She sent over, she sent over 18 questions. I'm just going to read a few to give you a little
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context again of why I did not respond. She says here, all three teammates I spoke to described
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abusive coaching practices in a toxic environment on the UK team under Lars Jorgensen. Is this accurate?
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Does this match your characterization of the team? And do you have any context to add?
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She says here, one swimmer I interviewed told me that you were a good teammate,
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generous with your car, fun to party with. In parentheses, she wrote, she said you sometimes
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partied hard and friendly and respectful when two women on this team started dating each other.
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Is there anything you'd like to respond to or dispute in these descriptions? It seems like a
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pretty accurate description. I don't know, like generous, good teammate, friendly, respectful,
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says I'm fun, fun to party with. I partied hard, which is pretty silly. If any of you were
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division one athletes, especially in a sport like swimming where there's literally no off season and
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you're practicing basically every single morning, you don't really have time to party hard. Yes,
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I found myself having good times. Of course I was in college, but nothing like overly crazy as
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she's insinuating. And she talks about here how two women on the team started to date each other.
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Guess what? Shocker. I don't really care if two women are dating each other. It has nothing to do
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with me. Again, so long as it doesn't cost me my taxpayer dollars, so long as I'm not forced to
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celebrate it, so long as it's not being forced on children, right? Like I don't really care what
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you do in your personal life. That's the beauty of America. One of these women, actually, I really
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would have considered a pretty good friend. We had different things that we enjoyed and cared about.
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So different on a fundamental level, but I respected her a lot. She was a good teammate. She worked
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really hard. I had respect for that. She's one of the women who was interviewed. She put her name and
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her face to this, which even still, I don't really care. It doesn't make me, like, want to be her
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friend less. We haven't really kept up following that national championships or my time at the
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University of Kentucky, given the fact that we fall on different sides of this issue. She has every
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right to use her voice to speak to Pablo or anyone else, for that matter, on any issue she so
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chooses, okay? It doesn't make me think less of her. I think that's a key difference in understanding
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where I'm coming from. The next question says, that same swimmer also recalled a long
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conversation with you in summer of 2021 when she says you talked about being raised as a religious
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conservative. She remembers you saying that you didn't like Trump. Is this an accurate description
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of the views at the time? How would you say your politics have evolved since that point in your
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life? Is this accurate? Look, I initially endorsed DeSantis for the 2024 presidential candidate.
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Again, that's not really, like, a groundbreaking revelation. And why did I do that? I actually did that
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because I believed DeSantis to be the stronger conservative, the stronger Christian conservative.
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That being said, I am thrilled with President Trump. I am so glad that he has proven me,
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I don't want to say wrong, because again, I think DeSantis would have done a fantastic job
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as president, just as he's done in leading the state of Florida. But President Trump has come out
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on these issues, such as gender ideology, such as the abortion epidemic, much, much stronger in his
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second term than he did his first term, which thrills me as a religious Christian conservative,
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as my teammate described to me. In continuing to talk about the environment on the University of
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Kentucky team, the reporter's asking me about a sexual harassment investigation into another coach
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that we had, an assistant coach by the name of Chip Klein. She says that all three of the teammates
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that she talked to indicated that I was a target of Klein's behavior. This is something I've never
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spoken about, because honestly, I think it takes time to process and really grapple with some of the
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abuse. I don't really use that word lightly either. I think obviously there are different kinds of
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abuse. You have physical abuse, emotional abuse, you have sexual abuse. Some of the different behavior
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that we were exposed to and targeted by in my time at the University of Kentucky. I could tell
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many stories of interactions that we had, forcible interactions, nothing like penetrative, which
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sounds like really graphic, but definitely not acceptable behavior from a coach, an authority
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figure to an athlete, a female student athlete. I'm not going to get into all that because
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I don't think it's necessary to make the point that I'm trying to make. But I will say this on this
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topic. I went to the Title IX office in 2021, I believe, after I had had enough with this coach's
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behavior. He never stepped foot back on that pool deck again. And we're going to get into the contents
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again of what this article really, the meat and potatoes of this article. But when I see Pablo saying
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that I don't care about sexual abuse allegations against female athletes, number one, it's personal.
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Um, but two, I don't think I have to, to also make the point that men aren't women, right? Like,
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again, we'll get into that. But the reporter asked me if I wanted to share my experience with Klein,
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coach Klein and how it affected me. She goes on to say two of my teammates say they're disappointed
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and frustrated that I haven't spoken out more about the allegations against our head coach,
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Lars Jorgensen, or focus my advocacy on sexual abuse by coaches. My response to that is why haven't
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they done that? Guess what? None of my teammates have used their platform to disavow these things.
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If they feel so strongly, I would highly encourage them to do it because guess what? It is a problem,
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especially in the sports like swimming, gymnastics, sports, I think unsurprisingly, where women are half
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naked to compete. I imagine you're not surprised to learn that this is absolutely false. I tweeted this
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back in 2024, in April of 2024, when all of these allegations became known to the public. And at the
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same time became known to me. I said this, I took the weekend to spend time with current and former
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University of Kentucky teammates after seeing the article slash lawsuit that was dropped.
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The general consensus is that we're disgusted, heartbroken, and ashamed to be affiliated with
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the program where anything like this could be alleged to have happened. Lars was someone I trusted,
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loved, and respected. I would have gone to bat for him and defended him until the end. I feel
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entirely blindsided and betrayed. To be extra clear here, I never saw or heard any of these claims
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taking place, but it isn't difficult to say. I vehemently condemn all violence, especially sexual
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violence against women. While I spend most of my time speaking to the harm and severity of allowing
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men into women's sports, we can't neglect or condone other issues that are far too common in female
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athletics, like sexual abuse from authority figures. It's my mission to defend women, really humanity,
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and this falls in line. Time to process and digest is necessary for healing to occur. Regardless of the
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allegations, my stance is clear. Sexual predators should not be able to obtain or maintain a position
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of authority over anyone, much less a team of vulnerable, half-naked young women. And I really
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did. I drove up to Kentucky that weekend from my home in Nashville and spent time with teammates
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because that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to hear my other teammates, their perspective on these
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issues. And as I indicated, I really was like blindsided and totally betrayed in learning about the
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horrific details of this lawsuit. And I want to be clear, that's not to say it's true,
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not true. There's a civil lawsuit that's being litigated in court right now. So I'm not here
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to definitively make a statement, but I wanted to listen to what my teammates had to say about it.
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And to Pablo's point, the accusations that my coach is being accused of is really not rare at all in
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women's sports. And I do agree it happens far too often. People like Jen Say, who's the founder of
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XXXY Athletics has talked about this ad nauseum. She actually wrote a book about it. And I said it here,
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I will say it again. It is the easiest thing in the world to condemn.
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I think an important distinction to make though, and why I spend so much of my time
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speaking to the issue of men and women's sports, as opposed to speaking to the harm of these
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predatory men in these coaching positions is because it's not like you have an entire
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political party, at least in terms of elected representation. It's not like you have an entire
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wing of the media, actually virtually all of mainstream media for certain, saying that this is
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a good thing, that these predatory men in these positions is good. Actually celebrating them
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and denouncing the people, ousting the people, doing smear pieces on the people who raise concerns
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with these predatory men. Like, are you understanding what I'm saying here? Does that make sense?
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That's where this issue differs from the trans issue. The reporter asked me how I'm funded. She
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says that the Betsy DeVos Foundation indicated that it donated $100,000 to the Riley Gaines Center
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at the Leadership Institute in 2023. She says, is it fair to say that Dick and Betsy DeVos
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Family Foundation funded you directly? No. They talk about these FEC filings that indicate I had a
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paid speaking engagement of $25,000 by the Harris County Republican Party for the 2025 Lincoln Reagan
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Day dinner. She said, did you receive that payment? Is that a typical speaking fee for you in 2025?
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We'll get into that. She asked me about San Francisco State. She says, you weren't actually
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physically hit by a man. Were you, I mean, no one could actually confirm these things. There is
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audio and video evidence. Okay. Which has been posted many, many a times of how these angry,
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deranged, soulless ghouls held me hostage. Okay. Uh, she even says here, you described the event as
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kidnapping. Yeah. That's typically what you would call it when you have a group of people holding
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someone hostage and won't let them leave. When I was supposed to be returning back home,
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they were keeping me there. She says, is there any additional basis for saying you were kidnapped
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or held for ransom? Again, the audio, the video, uh, the police statement that I filed immediately
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after I've testified before Congress on this, which you're under oath in that environment. Okay. So
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baloney in two quotes, she asked me to clarify. She says in May of 2025, you said the gender ideology
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movement is a house of cards and I believe it's lying on the sports issue. This will be the card
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that makes all of it crumble. Did I say that? That's pretty good quote. And I stand by it a hundred
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percent, 10 toes down. It is absolutely accurate. She says here in September of 2025, you said on the
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gains for girls podcast, if you're insane enough to believe that men can get pregnant and women need
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prostate exams and tampons belong in boys' bathrooms or whatever the other crazy stuff that they believe
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you're insane enough clearly to pull a gun and shoot someone. Uh, do we need to look any
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further than the political assassination of Charlie Kirk? So I hope that's enough for you to understand
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why I did not respond to these insane allegations and questions. So they spent six months on this
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groundbreaking deep dive investigation. And what did they find? Uh, they found that my coach,
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my previous coach at the university of Kentucky has been accused of sexual allegations. They found
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out that I have a job that I'm paid for. They found out that my messaging has gotten sharper as I have
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learned more about the issue. Honestly, I almost feel bad that he spent so much time on such a
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lackluster story. Six months. That's a long time. And I, I believe he didn't even like uncover my most
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controversial take to date, which is that I hate mashed potatoes. I hate them. I know this is like
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maybe a sensitive topic coming right after Thanksgiving. They're disgusting. Why are we
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mashing them? And why are we putting sour cream, butter, and bacon? Like sometimes cinnamon and brown
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sugar. Like, please, that is the weirdest combination of things I've ever heard. I don't
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want to hear any of you pro potato people in the comments. Uh, they're gross. Like I said, I haven't
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even really looked at this beyond what I've seen on social media. Uh, really, I didn't have the energy
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to go through and pick apart the sham of an investigation that is Pablo Torres, the real Riley
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Gaines. But there is a couple of things that I want to address. Number one, the first thing is that
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this, the position that I've taken, the advocacy that I do, and will certainly continue to do,
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uh, that that's a grift. Do I need to remind Pablo Torres and those who seem to appreciate and agree
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with this article of the political cultural environment that I spoke out in back in 2022?
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It was a very different landscape to that of which we're living in now in the year 2025.
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When I spoke out, there was no million dollar sponsorship waiting for me. All of the female
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athletes who came before me had either been ignored, they'd been punished, they'd been
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belittled. I knew that, okay? I knew what I was risking and I had no reason to suspect that I would
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be treated any differently than those women. But even still, I chose to use my voice because I knew it
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was the right thing. I think moral conviction is just a foreign concept to some people. This was under
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Biden's presidency. His department of justice was literally launching investigations into people
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who dared to even question or remotely oppose some of the gender insanity things that they were
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pushing, whether it was this, whether it was medicalization side of things. One of those people
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being Dr. Ethan Heim in Texas, a whistleblower at the Texas Children's Hospital and saying, look,
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we passed the law. This hospital is still doing this. The department of justice launched an
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investigation into him for being a whistleblower. And he basically faced political persecution for
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seven months. They took his cell phone. They took his guns. He had to spend time in court. It was a
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huge stress on his family. It took time. It was a financial investment. That's the environment that we
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were living in in 2022. And I mentioned some of those people who came before me. I have a real problem
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with how Pablo calls me kind of like the main character of this movement. I reject that wholeheartedly.
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Honestly, this is an insult to the women who have been fighting this fight long before I ever got
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involved. Granted, I think this issue, specifically that photo of Thomas on the podium, him standing over
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me like eight, nine inches taller than me. I truthfully believe it gave a perfect visual to the concerns that
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so many people had been raising, so many women especially, had been raising far longer than I. But to call me the
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main character of this is false. I didn't start this movement. And I don't think these people
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understand that, again, the reason that I have become now a prominent figure, if you want to call it that,
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this was building for years and years and years. But the absurdity of Will Thomas calling himself
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Leah, stripping down naked in our locker room and stealing an NCAA Division I National Championship title,
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despite never having even won a conference title in the men's division. In full view of the public,
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that's when things finally exploded. But I'm not the main character of this movement. Pablo says he
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believes this issue of men and women's sports, it's a topic that's been around for four years,
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is what he says. The co-host jumps in and she says, no, I think it started in 2020.
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Uh, no, actually. Men have been stealing women's opportunities in sports since the 1920s. The media
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has just done their best to keep the voices of the women silent while they champion the male athlete.
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I'm sure you can remember Renee Richards, who came out onto the scene, I believe, in the late 1970s.
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This was a man, a 43-year-old man, standing at 6'2", who was allowed to play women's professional
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tennis. We saw in the 80s the doping scandal, which is very similar to the issue of men and women's sports.
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At the 2016 Olympics, in the women's 800, men, male athletes, these were not trans athletes,
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they were athletes, male athletes with DSDs, won gold, silver, and bronze. In the women's 800,
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these are athletes with Y chromosomes who went through male development. In 2021, that's when
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we saw the male Olympic weightlifter by the name of Laurel Hubbard competing for New Zealand in the
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Olympics. And then we reached Will Thomas, and we have gone beyond that even. So that's a rough
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timeline, with very few examples inserted there. I could go on for hours. The second point I want
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to address is that I have a job, which this is in like total contrast to what AOC said. Remember when
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AOC a few weeks ago, she made some comments about me saying, you know, maybe if you channeled your
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anger to swimming, you would have swam faster or something to the effect, to which I then challenged
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her to a debate. She says to me, well, I challenge you to get a real job. Well, Pablo seems to disagree
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with AOC. He understands that I do have a job, that I make money. They really just can't keep
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themselves straight. Typically how it works, which this is standard across the board, if I'm traveling,
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taking time out of my day to go to a state to participate in a fundraising activity, which that's
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what he cited in talking about this Harris County Reagan Day dinner. It was a fundraising dinner. If I'm
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going to give my time to be there, of course I'm going to get paid for this. They're raising funds
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on my name. That's only fair. This is what people like Megan Rapinoe do, which I would honestly be
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super interested to figure out what her speaking fee is. Let's look it up in real time together
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right now. Uh, Megan Rapinoe speaking fee. Oh my gosh. I've been undercharging. This says Megan
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Rapinoe speaking fee generally ranges from 50,000 to over a quarter of a million dollars, depending on
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the events specifics. I don't see Pablo talking about Megan Rapinoe and her speaking fee. You know
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why? It's because she agrees that men should be in women's sports. Let's look at someone like
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Hillary Clinton. This is kind of just like a fun game at this point. Let's look at Hillary Clinton
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speaking fee. Oh my gosh. This is Hillary Clinton speaking fee after leaving her role as secretary
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of state generally averaged around 200,000 to $225,000 per appearance. Some reaching as high as
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$300,000 for a single event. And I'm looking at this article here back in 2016. It's by CNN,
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by the way, uh, it says $153 million in bill and Hillary Clinton's speaking fees documented
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$153 million. But guess what? That's capitalism. That is the free market. That's called supply
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and demand. People are willing to pay it. Of course, bill and Hillary Clinton are willing to
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take it. And you're not going to see me knocking them for their speaking fee. I'm actually applauding
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it capitalism at its finest. Now, Pablo Torre or Torres, whatever his name is, uh, I would bet
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he's paid to write stories. Now, granted, I'm not going to do a six month deep dive investigation to
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find out if he is or isn't because I don't really care, but I'd imagine he's paid to write stories.
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And if that's the case, then surely he's biased because he gets paid to do it, right? That's his
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stance on me. I get paid. So I'm wrong. He put out this tweet on Wednesday. He says the people
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funding Riley Gaines would love for you to think that this story is about trans athletes competing
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in women's sports. It's not. It's about following the money and the female athletes actually victimized
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by men that those funders cannot even pretend to care about. No, Pablo, this article is about smearing
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me to get more views. Honestly, for a journalist, his lack of basic comprehension is pretty concerning
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and it makes zero sense. Like the fight that I'm fighting is regarding the insane trans movement
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that is discriminatory in its true nature. It's exclusive in its true nature. They love the word
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inclusion. No, it's exclusive. And also this tweet is stupid because what does any of it have to do
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with me? Right? Like the people who pay me and air quotes don't care enough about other things that
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have happened to women. What is Pablo doing to show that he cares about those women other than making
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super obnoxious podcasts? And also the tweet's simply not true, right? Like you can care about two
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things at once. It doesn't have to be an either or like, let's say I donate to finding a cure for
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breast cancer. Does that mean that I don't care about finding a cure for brain cancer or for
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cardiovascular health research? So I guess my question to Pablo is like, are individuals permitted
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to dedicate their time and energy to specific causes? Or should we automatically go to like the
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what about ism? Like, well, what about this issue? Pablo mentioned how I brought up Larry Nassar
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when Simone Biles and I got into this feud and I talked about how Simone Biles had testified against
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Larry Nassar. He said that I was using Simone Biles abuser against her. That's not what I was
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doing at all. I was calling her actions hypocritical. On one hand, she's against sexual abuse of young
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girls, especially female athletes. And on the other hand, she's totally okay with it. Any man forcing his
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way into a woman's private changing area, no matter what he calls himself is absolutely a predator.
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Larry Nassar and Will Thomas. Voyeurism and indecent exposure are crimes for a reason. We have sex
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separated spaces for a reason. Women and girls deserve privacy away from boys and men when we're
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changing and allowing boys and men into that space is a huge violation in a form of sexual abuse. I don't
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know who dug up this gem, but it seems like Pablo has shifted his stance a bit too, because he tweeted
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this back in 2016. He says, if you're defending a man's right to expose himself to a female employee
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against her will at work, I humbly beg you to never procreate. It's extremely convenient to go point at
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somebody like Riley Gaines, who can say, hi, I was a victim of this, who can go sit in the Kentucky
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legislature and say, look, there is a real victim of these policies. And that's, I think, why her story
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breaks through. Yeah, there's aren't enough examples of female athletes, period, who are losing to trans
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athletes because there aren't that many trans athletes in general. And so you get Riley Gaines
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testifying not just at the Virginia state legislature, but at the Kansas state legislature
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and the North Carolina state legislature, all for these anti-trans bills that are being, again,
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put in front of these voting bodies. The NCAA forced female swimmers to share a locker room with
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Thomas, a six foot four, 22 year old male equipped with and exposing male genitalia in a room full of
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vulnerable undressed women. And in each one of those cases, what you see is that it's not just the
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Leah Thomas story. From 18 to 22 year old girls who were exposed to male body parts. She, this single
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data point, Riley Gaines, is now this avatar for all girls everywhere. Our experiences as Z1
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swimmers, it's not unique. Who are in danger of quote unquote men, these predators in women's
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sports. And she goes on the road. She continues to go on the road. I mean, she's giving speeches at
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college campuses. I mean, it's not unlike Charlie Kirk. I don't think he realizes that that's a compliment
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to be like Charlie Kirk. A couple of things I want to address. First and foremost, I don't view
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myself as some sort of victim. I really don't. I don't possess a victim mentality. I couldn't have
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made it to the level that I was competing in sports if I did. Okay. It's just not in my nature
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to view myself as a victim. That's why honestly, it took me so long to even sue the NCAA. They
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explicitly and directly and intentionally violated federal law. Yet I didn't see myself as a victim.
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Therefore I wasn't really wanting to sue them, but I understand now that it's necessary and
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ultimately accomplishing the goal, which the goal is keeping men out of women's sports. He also plays
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that emotional testimony that I gave. This was several years back. I believe that was in the
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state of Virginia. It was when my emotions were much more heightened surrounding this. Um, it's kind
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of like surreal to look back and watch. I remember how I was feeling in that moment, obviously nervous,
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right. Being a college age student recently graduated to stand in front of, you know,
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legislators at the state level. Like that was really terrifying to me. And I want to make the
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point too. He's talking about me traveling all over. Uh, I don't get paid when I travel and testify
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on bills and help draft these pieces of legislation and meet with lawmakers and teach them how to speak
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about these issues, the messaging behind it, how to be effective. I don't get paid for that.
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There's no lobbyist group who funds my work. There are different organizations that I do work
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for, but even at this time, like I was flying to these places entirely out of my own pocket
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because I understood it as necessary and timely and urgent and righteous and just and moral and
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just the right thing to do. Again, a foreign concept to some. And Pablo says that I'm this single
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data point and that there's not that many trans athletes. That's always what they say, which is a
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horrible argument by the way, because you're not really saying that you agree or disagree.
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You're just saying, well, it hasn't happened enough yet for me to have an opinion. So what
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Pablo is effectively saying here is that yes, some girls have been affected, but those girls don't
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really matter. Maybe it would be an issue if, if this was happening more often, if more women were
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getting pummeled in their sports, like we saw in women's boxing at the Olympics, maybe then it would
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matter. Probably not though. Maybe if more women had to expose themselves while simultaneously
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being exploited to naked men, maybe then it would matter. Maybe if more women were like
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given career ending concussions, we would care, but where it stands right now, we really don't.
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And to refute the point that it's not really happening. Like, honestly, I hate even having
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to do this because people know that it's happening. It's happening in states like Oregon, California,
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Washington. We just watched in Michigan where this happened at the girls high school state
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championship in the sport of volleyball. If you look up the website, she won.org, it says on their
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website's page, it's a website dedicated to archiving the achievements of female athletes who
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were displaced by males and women's sporting events and other types of competitions expressly
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for women. One day soon, we hope their accomplishments will be formally recognized.
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It has counted and tracked and recorded. The number of female athletes who have been affected
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by this is 2,900. The number of medals that have been taken from women by cheating men is 4,231
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across 1,784 different competitions and across 51 sports. So Pablo, did you consider maybe for your
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story reaching out to any of these women? No, I don't think so. Only my teammates who choose to
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disavow me, like the three of them that exist. He somehow found them all. The rest of my team,
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by the way, we're a team of like 40 girls. So naturally when you're a team of 40 girls,
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you're going to have some people who disagree with you on these issues. The rest of my team though,
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35 of them, I would say, uh, maybe we have different levels of, you know, willingness to
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use the pronouns and we vary on those things, but the rest of us agree that it's wrong to put men in
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women's sports, that it's unfair to women. Notice he didn't talk to those athletes. And before we like
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really close out, I think it's important to make the point. I didn't ask to be here. I really didn't.
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This isn't what I wanted for myself. I've talked about that before on this podcast. Like I didn't
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set my sights on becoming this political pundit as Pablo calls me. It's, it's never what I wanted.
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I mean, I think you would have to be clinically insane to ask, to be in the position that I'm in,
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to actively work towards being a target for people like Pablo. It's not fun to read the negative,
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hurtful and totally false things people say about you. I'm just a normal person. I'm a woman.
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I was a female athlete. I had plans to be in dental school. I was accepted into dental school.
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Those were the plans that I had made for myself. I'm married. I'm a wife. I'm now a new mom,
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which it's not very fun to be fielding a bunch of negative comments when you're, you know,
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just a few weeks postpartum, which I have to imagine it was intentional. Pablo released this
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article just after I had my baby, which speaks to how evil these people can be. The death threats
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that I receive nearly daily, uh, the extra security precautions that my husband and I have to take
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to make sure that my safety, and now more importantly, our daughter's safety is ensured.
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Like who would want to do that? And I will say there have been fantastic opportunities and I have
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been abundantly blessed with relationships and friendships and doors that have been open that
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otherwise having not used my voice, uh, doors that wouldn't have been opened. I recognize those
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things. I'm grateful for those things. I'm grateful for the lifestyle that I have being able to with
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the occupation that I do being able to stay home with my daughter, or if I'm traveling her being able
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to travel with me, my husband, he has a construction company. He has some flexibility. He gets to travel
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with me. So I'm like, I recognize those things and I recognize how blessed I am. Of course I do,
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but it's not my fault that I'm here. You can thank people like Will Thomas for me having the voice in
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the platform that I have. So to Pablo on your six month deep dive investigation into Riley Gaines and
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her private life and who she is, uh, nothing you reported was groundbreaking. Actually really only
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thing you did was re-report other people's work, which feels really slimy. Actually, the only
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groundbreaking thing you did was talk to my teammates, two of which who weren't even willing to put their
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name or their face to this. That was the only real piece of journalism. If that's what you want to
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call it. The rest of this was stealing other people's work, claiming it as your own and trying
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to twist a narrative to paint me in a bad light, which it didn't really work. If you go through
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Pablo's comments on social media, I think people just recognize this as him embarrassing himself.
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And really it only makes me look better. It only gives me more credibility. So maybe I should thank
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him. Thank you, Pablo. Thank you, mother Jones. I didn't know you before. I don't really care to know
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you after this, but the coverage that you provided on these issues to anyone with a fifth
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grade understanding of biology, a shred of common sense, I think is on our side, which is the right
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side of history. As always, we appreciate you guys. I hope you were watching at youtube.com slash
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outkick. That's where you can find all things gains for girls. We had some stuff on screen. So if
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you weren't watching, go back and watch, look at the visuals and the clips and the inserts that we put
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in. Be sure to comment. Don't want to hear any of you pro potato people in the comments though.
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Uh, I hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving, uh, took some time to relax and be grateful until next time.