Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - Riley Goes One on One with Caitlyn Jenner

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00:00:18.000 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast. Today's guest is a guest that, let's say, maybe five years ago, I never would have imagined would be on my side of this issue.

00:00:41.360 Granted, I never would have imagined five years ago this is an issue we would have to take sides on. But this is an unexpected voice. It has certainly become a controversial voice.

00:00:53.400 This is someone who has been in the limelight really his whole life, at least, you know, the past 50 or so years.

00:01:01.460 But as of recently, in the limelight for a totally different reason, Bruce Jenner, some of you may remember, voted the world's greatest athlete, won the Olympics in the decathlon.

00:01:14.700 But now is Caitlyn Jenner. Transitioned nine years ago and has been living his life identifying as a woman.

00:01:23.160 But the stance that he has taken in protecting women's sports is the sensible, common sense approach in saying that men don't belong in women's sports.

00:01:34.760 And again, his voice is valuable given the fact that he's transitioned himself and he was a world-class athlete.

00:01:41.940 I am super excited. So check out the interview with Caitlyn Jenner.

00:01:46.980 Well, Caitlyn, thank you so much for coming on the Games for Girls podcast.

00:01:51.340 Your voice on this has been a unique one, and some would probably even say an unexpected one.

00:01:57.520 But undeniably, your outspokenness has been an influential one, and it adds a new perspective.

00:02:02.720 And so we were talking before this. You've been in the limelight for a long time.

00:02:08.100 But I would imagine 50 years, yes, yes, a long time.

00:02:15.040 But these past few years, since I think it's become public to the world that you're pro-common sense and that you're pro-America, it's a different kind of limelight.

00:02:27.320 What has that been like?

00:02:28.300 Well, it's been interesting.

00:02:32.520 You know, I transitioned nine years ago.

00:02:38.520 And, you know, at first, when you do it, your attitude is very different.

00:02:46.760 You know, you don't know anything.

00:02:48.060 I didn't know anything.

00:02:50.080 And I had to learn so much.

00:02:54.780 You know, when I transitioned, I had never met another trans person.

00:03:00.620 I mean, I couldn't.

00:03:02.120 I had to stay stealth my whole life.

00:03:04.880 And so there was just a lot to learn.

00:03:06.660 And it's been a growing process over the last nine years.

00:03:10.420 I've learned a lot.

00:03:12.280 I like to think I do have common sense on issues when I think a lot of times the trans people do not have common sense on certain issues. 1.00

00:03:21.760 You know, I look at it as I am very lucky.

00:03:25.460 I wake up in the morning every day and I just be myself all day.

00:03:28.920 That's all it is.

00:03:30.160 I just be myself.

00:03:31.320 This is me.

00:03:32.340 This is how I live.

00:03:33.680 Honestly, I was getting ready to do this.

00:03:37.320 And I was thinking to myself, wait a second.

00:03:38.860 I haven't even put makeup on in two months.

00:03:42.060 And I said, do I remember how to do this?

00:03:44.000 Yes.

00:03:44.320 Do I remember?

00:03:45.000 Fortunately, I'm OK.

00:03:46.220 But it is a growing process.

00:03:50.880 And, you know, the bottom line is this.

00:03:56.620 If you believe in gender dysphoria and that gender dysphoria is a mental condition.

00:04:04.880 OK.

00:04:05.780 Obviously, I believe it.

00:04:07.180 I've lived it my whole life.

00:04:09.080 OK.

00:04:09.360 Now it becomes if you are gender dysphoria.

00:04:13.380 How do I deal with it?

00:04:15.600 You know, everybody's story is different.

00:04:20.420 And my story was I just lived with it all my life.

00:04:24.460 I snuck around.

00:04:25.300 I don't know.

00:04:26.060 Probably never had a time to read my book, Secrets of My Life.

00:04:29.000 But I tell the whole story in there.

00:04:31.200 How I snuck around, how I lied to myself, how I lied to people.

00:04:34.500 And I just honestly, at the age of 65, I couldn't take it any longer.

00:04:38.680 I'd raised all my family.

00:04:40.060 I had, you know, done everything I could do.

00:04:43.620 And now maybe it was time to take care of me and let's deal with this.

00:04:48.520 And what is the best way to deal with it?

00:04:50.320 And I've just, you know, it's been a growing process along the way.

00:04:54.740 Yeah.

00:04:55.400 Well, I watched the Netflix documentary, which I learned a ton about you, your career, your

00:05:00.500 transition, where you're at now.

00:05:02.400 So it was, it was insightful, you know, for me, but you kind of mentioned, you know, you

00:05:07.220 had never met a trans person, you know, nine years ago, but now it's seemingly become what

00:05:15.500 I would, what I would call a social contagion.

00:05:18.800 The way the youth has, is being affected and impacted and identifying as trans, I would

00:05:24.000 say is exponential compared to nine years ago.

00:05:26.840 And of course, much longer than that.

00:05:29.600 And so I kind of want to get your take on that very briefly before we talk about some

00:05:33.500 of the women's sports stuff, specifically the LPGA stuff going on.

00:05:37.600 Yeah.

00:05:38.800 Yeah.

00:05:39.520 Like I said earlier, it is a learning process.

00:05:42.400 You, you go through it.

00:05:43.320 You learn things.

00:05:47.700 I'm dyslexic.

00:05:48.860 And a million years ago, after the games, nobody ever talked about it.

00:05:53.760 Okay.

00:05:54.120 Some reporter asked me to, um, uh, to do an interview on being dyslexic.

00:06:00.940 Now this is nine months after the games.

00:06:03.560 I thought, Hey, I would love to do that.

00:06:05.720 Maybe it's going to help some young kids out, you know, because nobody talked about it before.

00:06:09.640 And so I did this interview and in today's terms, it went viral.

00:06:17.100 It went all over the place, you know, and over the next four or five years, I saw this

00:06:24.000 word being dyslexic become huge.

00:06:27.960 I mean, parents were going to their kids and if they turn one word around or they said,

00:06:33.740 Oh my God, my child's dyslexic.

00:06:35.500 I have to get help.

00:06:36.640 I have to do something about it and I see schools for being dyslexic are opening up.

00:06:42.420 Psychologists are doing complete programs for dyslexic kids and it goes out of hand.

00:06:47.460 And I got about three or four years into talking about it.

00:06:50.020 To be honest with you, I stopped talking about it.

00:06:53.000 I said, everybody's trying to make money off this thing, you know, and it didn't have to

00:06:58.100 be that way.

00:06:59.100 Cut to many years later.

00:07:01.600 Okay.

00:07:01.900 My intentions when I transitioned was for me to live with myself.

00:07:08.820 I couldn't do it privately.

00:07:12.120 I had to do it publicly.

00:07:13.900 I was in the public eye.

00:07:15.220 I was one of the games.

00:07:16.920 I was on the most successful reality show in history.

00:07:20.000 The list goes on and on and on.

00:07:21.680 I'm in the public eye.

00:07:22.780 Unless I like moved to Alaska, to the backwoods and in a little house and I hid there.

00:07:28.720 And that's not going to work.

00:07:29.620 I got family.

00:07:30.400 I got 10 kids, you know, 23 grandchildren now.

00:07:34.380 Oh my God.

00:07:34.840 And I can't leave all of that.

00:07:37.220 So what do I do?

00:07:38.000 I try to do it in a respectful way.

00:07:40.160 Respect to the community.

00:07:41.920 I hate to call them a community.

00:07:43.680 To make the trans people to do it the right way. 0.99

00:07:47.800 Do it with dignity.

00:07:48.780 Do it true.

00:07:49.300 As smart as I possibly can.

00:07:50.740 And the media, and I just, the same thing happened to this that happened to the dyslexic story.

00:07:56.980 It just became a story that was everywhere.

00:07:59.540 I mean, the cover of Vanity Fair started it.

00:08:02.260 I actually set a world record when that thing came out on Twitter.

00:08:05.980 I remember that.

00:08:07.440 Yeah, I was the first, the fastest ever.

00:08:09.980 I beat out Oklahoma to a million followers.

00:08:13.000 Did it in four hours and 20 minutes, you know.

00:08:15.700 And so it went, that was the beginning of this crazy, crazy time.

00:08:20.140 And I think in a lot of cases, I have been used by the media, by the left who's trying to push this.

00:08:29.260 I have been used.

00:08:30.760 So today it's the same thing.

00:08:32.660 I feel the same waste.

00:08:34.520 Although I technically can't stop talking about it because there's a lot of things that have to be done.

00:08:38.940 But I think society has to stop talking about it.

00:08:42.620 This is a small, small, small group of people.

00:08:46.840 But it's a big media issue.

00:08:49.000 And it's not going anywhere.

00:08:50.740 Especially until the elections are over in 24.

00:08:54.300 Totally.

00:08:55.640 Which kills me because if the Democrats were wise, they would stop using it as an election issue because it is an issue they will consistently lose on.

00:09:04.980 And despite which state you're in, even in these blue states like California or whatever, it's not a winning issue.

00:09:11.660 It's just not, especially as it pertains to sports.

00:09:14.840 Especially in California.

00:09:16.200 Gavin Newsom just approved that illegal aliens can get gender transitions. 0.98

00:09:21.940 Ah! 0.99

00:09:22.520 Here in California, is this guy a loser or what? 1.00

00:09:26.140 Yeah, it's kind of, it is crazy. 0.99

00:09:29.060 It is so totally out of control.

00:09:31.900 And I'm afraid also it's going to hurt a lot of people.

00:09:35.760 Right.

00:09:36.840 Because, you know, I raise 10 kids.

00:09:42.020 Every month it's a different child.

00:09:44.980 One month it's this thing that's going on with them.

00:09:47.920 Oh my God, it's a friend or this or that.

00:09:51.120 And then two months later, it's a whole nother set of issues.

00:09:55.900 We have to leave our children alone.

00:09:57.940 Our kids can figure this out.

00:09:59.380 If they are truly gender dysphoric, we can deal with that. 0.97

00:10:04.360 But there's going to be too many people that are marginal.

00:10:09.560 That I think of my own life.

00:10:12.120 Okay.

00:10:12.900 When you're gender dysphoric, you're kind of born that way.

00:10:16.340 Yeah.

00:10:16.480 I don't know.

00:10:16.800 Are you right-handed or left-handed?

00:10:18.800 I'm right-handed.

00:10:20.240 Let's see, I'm left-handed.

00:10:21.900 Why are you right-handed and me left-handed?

00:10:24.460 Right.

00:10:24.820 I don't know.

00:10:26.040 It's just the way people are, you know.

00:10:28.740 It's just who we are.

00:10:30.460 And same with gender dysphoria.

00:10:32.120 It's just part of you.

00:10:33.600 It's just who you are.

00:10:35.620 And that can be pretty scary for a lot of people.

00:10:40.620 And it's been taken advantage of by the left in particularly.

00:10:45.920 But even in the right, the right's done the exact same thing.

00:10:48.480 So I don't want a lot of young kids to get hurt.

00:10:53.820 Because if this was me growing up today, I'd be in fifth grade.

00:10:59.240 And my math teacher's talking about being gender dysphoric.

00:11:02.460 And I would go, oh, my God.

00:11:05.460 They're talking about me.

00:11:07.260 Maybe I should do something.

00:11:09.000 Maybe the school says, oh, we should do something.

00:11:11.400 You should get on hormone.

00:11:12.240 You should, it's the only way you're going to be okay.

00:11:15.660 No, I got into sports.

00:11:18.240 I got through all that stuff.

00:11:20.540 To be honest with you, I firmly believe if I hadn't been gender dysphoric or dyslexia,

00:11:26.800 I have dyslexia, I never would have won the games.

00:11:30.580 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 It was a big part of me, you know.

00:11:34.620 That was a very big part of me.

00:11:38.200 I had to prove myself.

00:11:40.440 And I found my little niche in life.

00:11:43.680 You know, everybody's got something that they're really good at.

00:11:46.340 You know, I always say to young people, you got to find, you got to find that thing.

00:11:51.060 You got to find what's really good.

00:11:52.340 When you wake up in the morning, you can't wait for the day to start because you got training

00:11:57.680 to do.

00:11:58.140 You've got this to do.

00:11:59.080 You're painting the perfect picture.

00:12:01.680 And you just can't wait to get back into that room and get that painting going, you know.

00:12:05.940 That's what life's all about.

00:12:08.040 And if they would have come in, they could have just screwed my entire life up, you know.

00:12:13.180 So leave me alone.

00:12:14.160 My life is fine.

00:12:14.980 I did it.

00:12:15.540 I have no complaints. 0.52

00:12:16.620 I wouldn't change one damn thing. 0.53

00:12:18.760 Yeah.

00:12:18.960 Well, it got you to have 23 grandkids, which is the biggest blessing.

00:12:22.880 Ten kids, three grandkids.

00:12:24.740 Can't complain there.

00:12:26.500 No, I certainly can't complain there.

00:12:28.440 And all I can complain about now is protecting women's sports. 1.00

00:12:32.920 Riley, we've been on this.

00:12:34.380 We've been doing this, what, for two years, three years?

00:12:37.580 Isn't it wild?

00:12:39.100 Yeah.

00:12:39.680 It is wild.

00:12:40.540 It'll be, at least for me, with Leah Thomas, that was March of 2022.

00:12:45.820 So almost two years have been at it.

00:12:49.920 You now have a pack, which is amazing.

00:12:52.140 I want to give you the chance to talk about that in a bit, too.

00:12:54.580 But, you know, you're one of the world's, actually, you probably are the world's greatest athlete of all time.

00:13:01.200 I did win that title.

00:13:02.640 Yes, I did.

00:13:03.560 Yeah.

00:13:04.000 And it's a well-deserved title.

00:13:06.760 But now, yeah, exactly.

00:13:07.980 Here we are.

00:13:08.680 Your specialty, the decathlon, there was a male running at RIT, a school, a university in Rochester, who just broke two school records.

00:13:20.900 And now, you know, you're big in golf.

00:13:22.760 In the male division.

00:13:23.940 Yes, in the women's division. 0.98

00:13:26.080 And now, of course, in golfing.

00:13:27.920 Look, you're a big golfer.

00:13:30.400 Honestly, I don't know a ton about golfing.

00:13:32.900 I know there's, of course, men, tee off in your bag.

00:13:38.980 When you're out in California, you're invited to come out and play with me.

00:13:43.260 Okay.

00:13:44.360 Yeah.

00:13:45.180 You need to get started.

00:13:47.240 It's a great sport, you know, that you can do the rest of your life.

00:13:50.980 You're not going to be swimming the rest of your life.

00:13:53.320 Right.

00:13:53.980 Yeah.

00:13:54.460 Yeah, we have this, Haley Davidson has come in to the sport, a trans woman.

00:14:03.880 As you know, because we've been working this one together for a long time.

00:14:08.300 Right.

00:14:10.200 I have been out to protect, I've been very consistent.

00:14:12.980 I've been out to protect women's sports. 0.99

00:14:14.960 I know it's not fair.

00:14:18.020 Okay.

00:14:18.580 It's for trans women to be in women's sports. 0.99

00:14:22.640 If you went through, even if you didn't, but if you went through male puberty, okay, it's over.

00:14:32.040 Your lungs are bigger.

00:14:33.840 You're, you know, your skeletal structure is bigger.

00:14:38.220 You know, especially if you played sports like Haley played men's golf, you know, and now all of a sudden, a few years later, because of a hormone level now, she's all of a sudden eligible to play with the women. 0.51

00:14:51.300 No, that's not the case.

00:14:53.340 And we just have to protect women's sports. 1.00

00:14:57.400 You know, women have worked so hard through Title IX for this and that to get, to get into sports and to get the benefits of sports. 1.00

00:15:05.600 Look at what you've done in your life.

00:15:08.280 Got scholarships.

00:15:09.300 You went to college.

00:15:10.160 You got an education.

00:15:11.560 You learned about winning.

00:15:12.980 You learned about losing.

00:15:14.200 You learned about hard work, all the things that you have to have in life, and you can learn them in a clean and wholesome way in sports.

00:15:21.920 I am a 100% supporter of sports, or men and women, but in particularly women, and they need a fair playing field.

00:15:29.040 And if we open up this door in letting trans women into women's sports, it'll eventually be the end of women's sports. 1.00

00:15:41.040 I mean, it's that simple.

00:15:42.760 It's just not fair.

00:15:45.720 Right.

00:15:46.140 Even this Haley Dickinson, I saw actually you sent some of the responses you had to me, and I thought they were all pretty interesting.

00:15:59.040 And, you know, this one said that she played against Haley and got into a playoff, and when he got into the playoff, all of a sudden, the swing speed went up and started hitting the ball 15 yards longer, you know, because she was...

00:16:19.040 And this girl, yeah, just like you said, I sent you some of these.

00:16:23.760 Yeah.

00:16:23.940 I've had tons and tons and tons of women who have played against Haley Davidson reach out to me, and the girl you're talking about, she said, 0.94

00:16:31.980 I've played in total 56 holes with Haley.

00:16:34.560 So I believe I have a high understanding of Haley's swing speed, ball flight, and distances.

00:16:40.160 Yet when the playoff began, Haley was suddenly swinging the club 10 to 15 miles per hour faster, increasing the length of shot by 30-plus yards,

00:16:48.140 giving Haley an advantage that had not previously used during the prior holes.

00:16:55.420 And the list goes on and on of different things this girl said talking about this.

00:17:00.540 Yeah, she was, you know, she was sandbagging it. 1.00

00:17:03.580 She didn't want to outdrive everybody by a long way.

00:17:07.280 And I think you had the exact same thing.

00:17:11.580 Leah Thomas, I watched the races she was in.

00:17:15.620 You could tell.

00:17:16.580 I mean, the one she wanted to win, she just got out in front and just went fast enough to win the race.

00:17:23.160 And then I think another one, she got third.

00:17:24.900 It looked like she was going in slow motion.

00:17:27.460 You know, she had this, what was she, 6'4"? 1.00

00:17:30.120 Yeah.

00:17:30.340 You know, this long reach, long arm, and it was going so slow.

00:17:33.660 And getting closer to the finish line didn't even put on a sprint to try to beat anybody because she didn't think it was good. 0.84

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00:18:08.520 Which is why this whole thing is offensive.

00:18:13.700 You know, I mean, it makes a mockery of what women's sports are because we train our whole lives to be the best that we can be. 1.00

00:18:21.220 Those last 10 yards, you turn the legs on, you're sprinting into the wall, just as you said.

00:18:27.500 And yeah, it doesn't take a swimmer to go back and watch the videos.

00:18:30.780 And it is blatantly obvious that Thomas was not, he was the last one off the blocks every time, didn't do the same amount of dolphin kicks off each wall.

00:18:40.920 It was stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of us.

00:18:44.820 So now my question to you, Riley, you've been a girl for a long time, right?

00:18:49.240 I sure have.

00:18:50.040 23 years.

00:18:51.860 23.

00:18:53.920 Why is it that the women always have to give in? 1.00

00:18:56.680 Well, it's because we're willing to.

00:19:00.060 If you look at this Bud Light thing, for example, when men felt threatened, they said, no, we're not putting up with this.

00:19:07.660 We'll just, we'll take our money and go elsewhere.

00:19:10.240 But women, I think we're quick to smile as we're kind of being stepped on and to kind of cheer on our own erasure. 0.98

00:19:18.520 Even if you think about it, you know, we have now mother is deemed offensive, but father has deemed defensive.

00:19:27.980 It's still used in peer-reviewed medical published journals and in state laws, but now mother is taken out and it's birthing person. 0.97

00:19:34.620 We're not calling men sperm producers or erection havers.

00:19:39.760 But that's, I mean, that's the equivalent to what we have now been calling women, uterus havers or cervix havers.

00:19:45.460 And it's because men simply wouldn't put up with it.

00:19:48.520 Well, you know what?

00:19:49.560 I think the best thing about women's sports, and we have to keep it women's sports, is that we can celebrate the skills of the female body. 0.83

00:20:02.200 You know, I've watched for years, I've been around a long time.

00:20:06.800 I've watched for years how women's sports has progressed, how these women have gotten so good at what they do. 1.00

00:20:13.360 You watch women's basketball. 0.98

00:20:15.360 The skill level is ridiculous.

00:20:16.800 I play golf with women golfers who are on the LPGA Tour. 1.00

00:20:21.240 They kick my butt. 0.99

00:20:22.540 I don't even have a chance. 0.99

00:20:24.200 And honestly, I just love it.

00:20:26.600 I just love their skill levels.

00:20:28.600 And it's amazing that women have shown how capable they are at sports and what they can do with their body. 0.99

00:20:36.900 And we, honestly, we need to protect that.

00:20:40.100 You know, and bringing trans athletes in is not protecting women's sports. 1.00

00:20:46.560 You know, it's sad to see that society is doing this and forcing this on women's sports.

00:20:55.240 And it's not the athletes.

00:20:57.140 It's not you saying, hey, we need some trans athletes in here. 0.83

00:21:00.400 You know?

00:21:00.980 No.

00:21:01.540 It's society that's forcing it on it.

00:21:03.680 And I just feel like they're just going down this big-time slippery slope.

00:21:08.960 I'm out to protect women's sports. 0.99

00:21:11.040 We don't need to go here.

00:21:14.180 Okay?

00:21:14.800 We need to protect women's sports. 1.00

00:21:17.680 They do phenomenal things.

00:21:19.900 And keep trans athletes.

00:21:22.820 It's just, it's not, but we don't need it.

00:21:25.060 So what should these girls, the LPGA golfers who are hoping to make their bid to the tour, what should they do? 1.00

00:21:34.900 What's the course of action to take?

00:21:37.540 Well, I think that's something that they have to decide.

00:21:41.880 Right.

00:21:42.160 I've heard some rumors that they're all going to wear, like, pink outfits on one tournament and themselves in protest of this.

00:21:51.200 And Haley is not even there yet.

00:21:53.300 She's only on the qualifying tour to get in.

00:21:57.340 But, and it's not about Haley Davidson.

00:22:02.080 And it's really not even about Leah Thomas.

00:22:04.640 I've got nothing with them.

00:22:06.180 You know?

00:22:06.440 I mean, I just hope them nothing but the best.

00:22:08.680 I mean, going, transitioning is one of the most difficult things you can do in life, in society, fitting into society, with your family, with just everybody around you.

00:22:21.780 It's an extraordinarily difficult thing to do.

00:22:25.360 And I do it smoothly.

00:22:27.240 And I wish them nothing but the best.

00:22:29.520 But when it comes to the sports thing, that's kind of where I have to draw the line.

00:22:34.060 You know?

00:22:34.580 You have to have a little dignity.

00:22:36.120 You have to have self-pride.

00:22:37.260 I would get no satisfaction at, like, beating a woman in golf. 1.00

00:22:44.080 Right.

00:22:44.460 No?

00:22:44.820 It's just like it wouldn't even occur.

00:22:46.500 Why?

00:22:47.180 Why?

00:22:47.660 That's, you know?

00:22:48.640 Right.

00:22:49.460 And so, I'm glad they go out and do their own thing.

00:22:55.020 But they have to do it with some dignity and how it affects other people.

00:22:59.440 Right.

00:22:59.640 And in trans women, in women's sports, it's just, it's a negative thing for a lot of people.

00:23:06.400 A lot of young girls thinking, I don't want to go out for golf.

00:23:09.600 I don't want to learn golf.

00:23:10.600 Why?

00:23:10.820 Because I'd have to, someday I'd have to play against some guy.

00:23:13.640 Right.

00:23:14.400 And they don't go into sports.

00:23:16.260 And that's a shame.

00:23:18.040 It is.

00:23:19.700 Yeah.

00:23:20.220 You mentioned, it's an Olympic year.

00:23:24.100 You mentioned Thomas.

00:23:25.480 Yeah.

00:23:26.640 Now, Thomas has announced that he is suing World Aquatics, which is the governing body,

00:23:32.040 ultimately, that created the new policy.

00:23:35.060 That said, if you've gone through male puberty, you can't compete in the women's category, 0.98

00:23:39.580 which is a very sensible approach.

00:23:40.940 I don't think it's a perfect, I don't think it's a perfect policy necessarily, but it was,

00:23:45.960 you know, they were really the first ones to prioritize fairness as opposed to inclusion,

00:23:53.680 which was a bold first step.

00:23:56.020 They even went as far to create a third category at these high level meets.

00:24:01.560 No one has competed in the third category yet, which is why I say a third category would

00:24:06.660 never be a solution.

00:24:09.740 There's not enough of them.

00:24:10.940 I mean, you couldn't make up a football team out of all the trans people that are in sports,

00:24:15.020 you know?

00:24:15.560 It's just not going to happen.

00:24:17.540 Leah Thomas coming back, and honestly, I think she's a narcissist. 0.99

00:24:21.700 I think she just wants the publicity.

00:24:24.700 I think, you know, she was virtually a nobody. 0.98

00:24:28.300 Nobody knew of her until she was beating your butt and got into women's swimming. 1.00

00:24:36.060 And then all of a sudden, she was on, you know, covers of magazines. 0.96

00:24:40.120 And she's, you know, just living up all the press or she's getting clicks all over the 1.00

00:24:45.560 place.

00:24:45.780 She's getting followers all over the place to see what this story is.

00:24:50.060 And, well, for the last six, nine months, really haven't heard much about her ever since

00:24:55.060 the Olympic Committee came out and basically said, you're not eligible.

00:24:58.420 And now she's trying to fight that. 0.69

00:25:01.820 I think she's doing it for the publicity.

00:25:04.240 You know, I don't know any other reason why she should.

00:25:07.180 I mean, you know, why she would.

00:25:09.540 So, you know, let her get her a little, a few more days, you know. 1.00

00:25:14.680 Yeah, I don't think the lawsuit actually has any merit.

00:25:19.240 I mean, I just can't imagine this is a suit that, that Thomas would win by any means.

00:25:24.380 So, so.

00:25:25.660 Fortunately, in this society we're living in, we can't trust the law.

00:25:32.260 That's the truth.

00:25:33.600 Yeah.

00:25:34.280 Yeah.

00:25:34.780 No matter what side we're on, I've lost faith in a lot of the laws that are out there

00:25:40.440 right now.

00:25:41.020 So, well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, um, I don't know if you remember back in San

00:25:46.760 Francisco last year where I was virtually, I mean, I was attacked.

00:25:50.600 Oh yeah.

00:25:51.280 Got a message today from the police in San Francisco and said they've suspended their

00:25:56.100 investigation and there's no one that can be charged, which is so wild.

00:26:01.120 I think the police failed.

00:26:03.100 I think, of course, you hold the students responsible.

00:26:05.580 I think you hold the university responsible.

00:26:07.240 They said there are no grounds for any, any repercussions to be had.

00:26:11.880 So you're right.

00:26:12.560 We can't trust the law.

00:26:13.520 That's, that's been more than that.

00:26:15.580 I totally agree.

00:26:16.680 I remember seeing the video.

00:26:17.840 It was even on video, you know, and it's still, there's nothing there.

00:26:22.300 Yeah.

00:26:22.500 There's nothing there.

00:26:23.840 Yeah.

00:26:24.360 Yeah.

00:26:24.580 It's just like, you know, these illegals that beat up those two cops, you know, I 1.00

00:26:28.260 mean, you can't trust the law anymore and it's, it's a shame.

00:26:32.860 No.

00:26:33.100 Um, yeah, we have to make some changes in the future that we do.

00:26:37.820 Um, I'll tell you one of the things, one of the things that makes me laugh almost the

00:26:43.420 most, because it's kind of funny is when you'll post something and I'll go on your

00:26:46.940 comments and people call you transphobic or they'll say you're anti-trans.

00:26:51.860 What's, what's your response to that one?

00:26:54.900 I mean, they're basically saying.

00:26:56.020 Maybe when it comes to treats.

00:26:57.740 Yes.

00:26:58.540 When it comes to trans women in women's sports, I guess I am a little transphobic.

00:27:03.340 Okay.

00:27:03.860 I just don't think it's right.

00:27:05.940 I have nothing against trans people.

00:27:08.920 You know, I have met in the last nine years that I've been out, I have met some of the

00:27:13.500 most wonderful people, some of the smartest people, just, I mean, good human beings, you

00:27:19.980 know, and there's so many more of that who have, you know, dealt with something that is

00:27:25.800 extraordinarily difficult to deal with, done it in a classy way, done it the right way,

00:27:31.080 moved on with their lives and live very productive lives.

00:27:34.480 Um, but then you have in today's society where you have the internet, you have, you know, getting

00:27:39.880 clicks, you have this, that.

00:27:41.520 Some of them are out there trying to, you know, build up their profile and, um, and that's,

00:27:50.940 and I have a problem with that, you know, they see, I, I already was a celebrity.

00:27:56.560 I didn't, you know, I didn't do this to become famous.

00:28:00.080 I do actually, I did this and became a lot of ways so controversial and, you know, in another

00:28:07.240 way that I, I kind of lost a lot, lost a lot of followers, this, that, you know, and slowly

00:28:12.680 they come back.

00:28:14.000 But, um, uh, yeah, I, yeah, I like trans people who do it the right way.

00:28:21.780 And you know what?

00:28:23.000 Most do it the right way, but that's not the ones that we're hearing about.

00:28:27.340 Right.

00:28:27.780 And especially female to male, you never hear about that.

00:28:33.960 No.

00:28:34.540 And you'll never hear about it in sports.

00:28:35.680 And you know what the percentage is?

00:28:37.240 About 49% female to male and 51% male to female.

00:28:43.520 So it's about 50, 50.

00:28:47.240 And the guys, first of all, it's easier to transition that way.

00:28:51.960 And, um, and they just don't want to be activists.

00:28:55.640 They just want to slide into society and move on with their life.

00:28:59.520 You know, and it's much more difficult going the other direction to be passable and all that

00:29:05.580 kind of stuff.

00:29:06.160 Yeah.

00:29:07.300 Yeah.

00:29:07.960 Uh, yeah.

00:29:08.800 Cause I got my terrible voice.

00:29:10.080 I never did anything about my voice.

00:29:11.900 And to be honest with you, that was, I was too tall.

00:29:14.840 You know, actually I was six, two and I just went and got a doctor's appointment and you

00:29:21.200 know what?

00:29:22.560 Six, one.

00:29:23.940 Really?

00:29:24.280 I shrunk.

00:29:25.380 I shrunk.

00:29:27.080 Wow.

00:29:28.040 I said, this is fabulous.

00:29:30.340 By the time I'm 95, I'll be a perfect 5'10".

00:29:33.860 Oh my God.

00:29:36.180 Um, yeah.

00:29:36.960 And my voice, I didn't do anything to my voice, you know, and it, it even scares me when

00:29:41.560 I hear it, you know, I go, Oh my God, my voice.

00:29:43.880 Um, but I, I, I just don't care.

00:29:47.620 Hopefully people listen to what I have to say, not the tone of my voice.

00:29:51.400 Right.

00:29:51.740 Well, it's, it's as if you don't need to necessarily be affirmed by others because you know, you're

00:29:58.340 comfortable now.

00:29:59.300 Um, so yeah, I totally agree, but we've said 2024 is a big year.

00:30:05.140 Of course, it's a presidential year.

00:30:06.680 It's imperative that we get Joe Biden out of the white house.

00:30:09.700 We have mentioned it is an Olympic year.

00:30:11.960 What do you say you and I go down to Paris, uh, and we commentate the Olympics.

00:30:16.860 How about that?

00:30:17.660 There you go, baby.

00:30:18.700 I'm ready to go.

00:30:20.180 I'm ready to go.

00:30:21.040 You can do a great job in swimming.

00:30:23.220 Um, no, I am, uh, I am actually talking to people.

00:30:27.960 Um, we'll see.

00:30:29.500 We'll see.

00:30:30.420 You know, I would, I, obviously I love the Olympics.

00:30:33.880 I mean, I've been to many of them competed in two, um, and, uh, but been to many since

00:30:40.020 the games and there's a few things in life that you just have to do.

00:30:44.660 And one of those things, when it comes to sports, it's like the start of the Indianapolis

00:30:48.820 500, a Superbowl, but the opening ceremonies of an Olympic games, there's nothing better

00:30:54.720 in life than that.

00:30:55.920 It's just each country does it their own way.

00:31:00.080 It's just the history behind it.

00:31:02.300 It's just so good.

00:31:04.400 You know, it's just, yeah.

00:31:05.940 So good.

00:31:06.900 So, uh, I, I love the games and I think it'd be great.

00:31:10.880 I'm looking forward to it.

00:31:12.040 I'll book our flights tonight.

00:31:13.960 So, no, I appreciate you so much.

00:31:17.960 Uh, like I said, your voice is a powerful one.

00:31:20.920 Um, it is a good, good.

00:31:24.460 Yeah.

00:31:25.180 I just did that big piece in the Daily Mail and the Daily Mail on this whole, yeah.

00:31:29.980 On the, uh, the whole golfing thing.

00:31:33.080 And, uh, yeah, it was very, very, very well received, very well received.

00:31:37.620 So that's good.

00:31:38.620 The two of us, we just have to keep fighting.

00:31:40.660 You know, you're going to have to fight on every, at every sport, at every level, you

00:31:46.400 know, and we're going to have to give confidence with our fight to women. 1.00

00:31:56.580 Okay.

00:31:57.600 Uh, who are in sports, who are more and more willing to stand up for their sport.

00:32:04.260 That is what it's going to take.

00:32:08.240 You know, it's like in golf.

00:32:11.140 If they had a big tournament and they had this trans athlete in there and nobody else

00:32:18.780 shows up, come on the LPGA, they would say, oh, you know what they're doing right now.

00:32:26.180 They're making decisions for the minority and neglecting the majority.

00:32:32.420 You're right.

00:32:33.120 Talk about your pack really quick.

00:32:34.940 They can't do that.

00:32:35.800 And you have to realize that the majority has the power.

00:32:39.060 Of course.

00:32:40.080 Yeah.

00:32:40.340 Not these little woke, you know, trans people. 1.00

00:32:43.560 Of course.

00:32:44.400 You know, a woke official.

00:32:46.500 Talk about your pack really quick.

00:32:48.160 How can people follow along with, with what you've got?

00:32:51.160 Well, just, I'll tell you what, for right now, because we're right kind of in the middle

00:32:55.500 of a lot of things that we're doing right now, that I am, um, you know, I'm still

00:33:01.400 with Fox News.

00:33:02.720 I'm coming to the end of the contract.

00:33:04.860 You know, we'll see what happens there.

00:33:07.240 Um, but there, you know, certainly have other things to do, if not that.

00:33:11.740 Uh, but I will just continue to fight.

00:33:14.000 Uh, um, I, I, I'm, I'm passionate about two things, protecting women's sports and two

00:33:20.240 parental, um, uh, the power of the parent, you know, uh, the home.

00:33:26.620 I grew up in a, in a wonderful home with a mother and a father and, uh, loving parents

00:33:31.860 and this and that.

00:33:32.600 I see how government is trying to destroy the family structure and, uh, I'm passionate

00:33:39.040 about trying to keep that family structure together, you know?

00:33:42.860 And, uh, so I do a lot of things over there too.

00:33:45.420 So, uh, yeah, I stay busy as I want, you know, and I work on my little golf game and I fly

00:33:52.020 my little airplane, you know, I've been flying forever.

00:33:55.180 I got bought a Bush plane.

00:33:56.320 So I'm having fun flying out to the middle of nowhere.

00:33:58.920 It's great.

00:33:59.420 Good for you.

00:34:00.460 Yeah.

00:34:00.720 Well, it's amazing.

00:34:02.120 Uh, and we are grateful for you.

00:34:03.820 I'm grateful that you, uh, donated some of your time.

00:34:07.260 I know, I know you've got a lot going on.

00:34:09.520 Um, so we will continue to be in the fight together.

00:34:13.600 Uh, I imagine we will, um, be able to see each other again sometime soon.

00:34:18.060 Oh, I'm sure we'll see each other soon.

00:34:20.600 I know.

00:34:21.560 I know.

00:34:22.500 Um, thank you so much for coming on.

00:34:24.620 Uh, just very appreciative.

00:34:26.100 Good luck to you, Raddy.

00:34:27.220 The fight has really just begun, uh, especially as it pertains to this whole LPGA, what's going

00:34:34.520 on there.

00:34:35.240 Uh, we will continue talking about it.

00:34:36.960 We will continue having people on the games for girls podcast.

00:34:40.160 Uh, and this will continue being in the forefront of the media as it's a presidential year.

00:34:45.940 Uh, this is not an issue that is going to slow down anytime soon.

00:34:49.120 So thank you guys for joining.

00:34:51.200 I hope you enjoyed, uh, make sure you like, and subscribe and comment anywhere where you get

00:34:56.000 your podcast, you can check us out at outkick.com and we will see you again next week.

Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - February 07, 2024

Riley Goes One on One with Caitlyn Jenner

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