Riley Goes One on One with Caitlyn Jenner
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Summary
In this episode, Caitlyn Jenner joins me to discuss her transition from male to female, her transition journey over the past 9 years, and her book, Secrets of My Life . Caitlyn also shares her experience transitioning and how it has impacted her life.
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Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast. Today's guest is a guest that, let's say, maybe five years ago, I never would have imagined would be on my side of this issue.
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Granted, I never would have imagined five years ago this is an issue we would have to take sides on. But this is an unexpected voice. It has certainly become a controversial voice.
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This is someone who has been in the limelight really his whole life, at least, you know, the past 50 or so years.
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But as of recently, in the limelight for a totally different reason, Bruce Jenner, some of you may remember, voted the world's greatest athlete, won the Olympics in the decathlon.
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But now is Caitlyn Jenner. Transitioned nine years ago and has been living his life identifying as a woman.
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But the stance that he has taken in protecting women's sports is the sensible, common sense approach in saying that men don't belong in women's sports.
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And again, his voice is valuable given the fact that he's transitioned himself and he was a world-class athlete.
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I am super excited. So check out the interview with Caitlyn Jenner.
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Well, Caitlyn, thank you so much for coming on the Games for Girls podcast.
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Your voice on this has been a unique one, and some would probably even say an unexpected one.
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But undeniably, your outspokenness has been an influential one, and it adds a new perspective.
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And so we were talking before this. You've been in the limelight for a long time.
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But I would imagine 50 years, yes, yes, a long time.
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But these past few years, since I think it's become public to the world that you're pro-common sense and that you're pro-America, it's a different kind of limelight.
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And, you know, at first, when you do it, your attitude is very different.
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You know, when I transitioned, I had never met another trans person.
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And it's been a growing process over the last nine years.
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I like to think I do have common sense on issues when I think a lot of times the trans people do not have common sense on certain issues.
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I wake up in the morning every day and I just be myself all day.
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If you believe in gender dysphoria and that gender dysphoria is a mental condition.
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And my story was I just lived with it all my life.
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Probably never had a time to read my book, Secrets of My Life.
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How I snuck around, how I lied to myself, how I lied to people.
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And I just honestly, at the age of 65, I couldn't take it any longer.
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And now maybe it was time to take care of me and let's deal with this.
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And I've just, you know, it's been a growing process along the way.
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Well, I watched the Netflix documentary, which I learned a ton about you, your career, your
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So it was, it was insightful, you know, for me, but you kind of mentioned, you know, you
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had never met a trans person, you know, nine years ago, but now it's seemingly become what
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The way the youth has, is being affected and impacted and identifying as trans, I would
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And so I kind of want to get your take on that very briefly before we talk about some
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of the women's sports stuff, specifically the LPGA stuff going on.
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And a million years ago, after the games, nobody ever talked about it.
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Some reporter asked me to, um, uh, to do an interview on being dyslexic.
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Maybe it's going to help some young kids out, you know, because nobody talked about it before.
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And so I did this interview and in today's terms, it went viral.
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It went all over the place, you know, and over the next four or five years, I saw this
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I mean, parents were going to their kids and if they turn one word around or they said,
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I have to do something about it and I see schools for being dyslexic are opening up.
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Psychologists are doing complete programs for dyslexic kids and it goes out of hand.
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And I got about three or four years into talking about it.
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To be honest with you, I stopped talking about it.
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I said, everybody's trying to make money off this thing, you know, and it didn't have to
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My intentions when I transitioned was for me to live with myself.
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I was on the most successful reality show in history.
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Unless I like moved to Alaska, to the backwoods and in a little house and I hid there.
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To make the trans people to do it the right way.
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And the media, and I just, the same thing happened to this that happened to the dyslexic story.
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I actually set a world record when that thing came out on Twitter.
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And so it went, that was the beginning of this crazy, crazy time.
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And I think in a lot of cases, I have been used by the media, by the left who's trying to push this.
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Although I technically can't stop talking about it because there's a lot of things that have to be done.
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But I think society has to stop talking about it.
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Which kills me because if the Democrats were wise, they would stop using it as an election issue because it is an issue they will consistently lose on.
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And despite which state you're in, even in these blue states like California or whatever, it's not a winning issue.
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It's just not, especially as it pertains to sports.
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Gavin Newsom just approved that illegal aliens can get gender transitions.
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Here in California, is this guy a loser or what?
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And I'm afraid also it's going to hurt a lot of people.
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One month it's this thing that's going on with them.
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And then two months later, it's a whole nother set of issues.
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If they are truly gender dysphoric, we can deal with that.
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But there's going to be too many people that are marginal.
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When you're gender dysphoric, you're kind of born that way.
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And that can be pretty scary for a lot of people.
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And it's been taken advantage of by the left in particularly.
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But even in the right, the right's done the exact same thing.
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So I don't want a lot of young kids to get hurt.
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Because if this was me growing up today, I'd be in fifth grade.
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And my math teacher's talking about being gender dysphoric.
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Maybe the school says, oh, we should do something.
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You should, it's the only way you're going to be okay.
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To be honest with you, I firmly believe if I hadn't been gender dysphoric or dyslexia,
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I have dyslexia, I never would have won the games.
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You know, everybody's got something that they're really good at.
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You know, I always say to young people, you got to find, you got to find that thing.
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When you wake up in the morning, you can't wait for the day to start because you got training
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And you just can't wait to get back into that room and get that painting going, you know.
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And if they would have come in, they could have just screwed my entire life up, you know.
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Well, it got you to have 23 grandkids, which is the biggest blessing.
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And all I can complain about now is protecting women's sports.
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We've been doing this, what, for two years, three years?
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It'll be, at least for me, with Leah Thomas, that was March of 2022.
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I want to give you the chance to talk about that in a bit, too.
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But, you know, you're one of the world's, actually, you probably are the world's greatest athlete of all time.
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Your specialty, the decathlon, there was a male running at RIT, a school, a university in Rochester, who just broke two school records.
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I know there's, of course, men, tee off in your bag.
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When you're out in California, you're invited to come out and play with me.
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It's a great sport, you know, that you can do the rest of your life.
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You're not going to be swimming the rest of your life.
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Yeah, we have this, Haley Davidson has come in to the sport, a trans woman.
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As you know, because we've been working this one together for a long time.
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I have been out to protect, I've been very consistent.
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If you went through, even if you didn't, but if you went through male puberty, okay, it's over.
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You're, you know, your skeletal structure is bigger.
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You know, especially if you played sports like Haley played men's golf, you know, and now all of a sudden, a few years later, because of a hormone level now, she's all of a sudden eligible to play with the women.
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You know, women have worked so hard through Title IX for this and that to get, to get into sports and to get the benefits of sports.
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You learned about hard work, all the things that you have to have in life, and you can learn them in a clean and wholesome way in sports.
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I am a 100% supporter of sports, or men and women, but in particularly women, and they need a fair playing field.
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And if we open up this door in letting trans women into women's sports, it'll eventually be the end of women's sports.
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Even this Haley Dickinson, I saw actually you sent some of the responses you had to me, and I thought they were all pretty interesting.
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And, you know, this one said that she played against Haley and got into a playoff, and when he got into the playoff, all of a sudden, the swing speed went up and started hitting the ball 15 yards longer, you know, because she was...
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And this girl, yeah, just like you said, I sent you some of these.
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I've had tons and tons and tons of women who have played against Haley Davidson reach out to me, and the girl you're talking about, she said,
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So I believe I have a high understanding of Haley's swing speed, ball flight, and distances.
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Yet when the playoff began, Haley was suddenly swinging the club 10 to 15 miles per hour faster, increasing the length of shot by 30-plus yards,
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giving Haley an advantage that had not previously used during the prior holes.
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And the list goes on and on of different things this girl said talking about this.
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Yeah, she was, you know, she was sandbagging it.
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She didn't want to outdrive everybody by a long way.
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I mean, the one she wanted to win, she just got out in front and just went fast enough to win the race.
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You know, this long reach, long arm, and it was going so slow.
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And getting closer to the finish line didn't even put on a sprint to try to beat anybody because she didn't think it was good.
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You know, I mean, it makes a mockery of what women's sports are because we train our whole lives to be the best that we can be.
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Those last 10 yards, you turn the legs on, you're sprinting into the wall, just as you said.
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And yeah, it doesn't take a swimmer to go back and watch the videos.
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And it is blatantly obvious that Thomas was not, he was the last one off the blocks every time, didn't do the same amount of dolphin kicks off each wall.
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It was stuck out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of us.
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So now my question to you, Riley, you've been a girl for a long time, right?
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Why is it that the women always have to give in?
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If you look at this Bud Light thing, for example, when men felt threatened, they said, no, we're not putting up with this.
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We'll just, we'll take our money and go elsewhere.
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But women, I think we're quick to smile as we're kind of being stepped on and to kind of cheer on our own erasure.
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Even if you think about it, you know, we have now mother is deemed offensive, but father has deemed defensive.
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It's still used in peer-reviewed medical published journals and in state laws, but now mother is taken out and it's birthing person.
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We're not calling men sperm producers or erection havers.
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But that's, I mean, that's the equivalent to what we have now been calling women, uterus havers or cervix havers.
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And it's because men simply wouldn't put up with it.
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I think the best thing about women's sports, and we have to keep it women's sports, is that we can celebrate the skills of the female body.
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You know, I've watched for years, I've been around a long time.
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I've watched for years how women's sports has progressed, how these women have gotten so good at what they do.
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I play golf with women golfers who are on the LPGA Tour.
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And it's amazing that women have shown how capable they are at sports and what they can do with their body.
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You know, and bringing trans athletes in is not protecting women's sports.
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You know, it's sad to see that society is doing this and forcing this on women's sports.
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It's not you saying, hey, we need some trans athletes in here.
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And I just feel like they're just going down this big-time slippery slope.
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So what should these girls, the LPGA golfers who are hoping to make their bid to the tour, what should they do?
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Well, I think that's something that they have to decide.
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I've heard some rumors that they're all going to wear, like, pink outfits on one tournament and themselves in protest of this.
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I mean, going, transitioning is one of the most difficult things you can do in life, in society, fitting into society, with your family, with just everybody around you.
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But when it comes to the sports thing, that's kind of where I have to draw the line.
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I would get no satisfaction at, like, beating a woman in golf.
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And so, I'm glad they go out and do their own thing.
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But they have to do it with some dignity and how it affects other people.
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And in trans women, in women's sports, it's just, it's a negative thing for a lot of people.
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A lot of young girls thinking, I don't want to go out for golf.
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Because I'd have to, someday I'd have to play against some guy.
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Now, Thomas has announced that he is suing World Aquatics, which is the governing body,
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That said, if you've gone through male puberty, you can't compete in the women's category,
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I don't think it's a perfect, I don't think it's a perfect policy necessarily, but it was,
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you know, they were really the first ones to prioritize fairness as opposed to inclusion,
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They even went as far to create a third category at these high level meets.
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No one has competed in the third category yet, which is why I say a third category would
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I mean, you couldn't make up a football team out of all the trans people that are in sports,
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Leah Thomas coming back, and honestly, I think she's a narcissist.
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Nobody knew of her until she was beating your butt and got into women's swimming.
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And then all of a sudden, she was on, you know, covers of magazines.
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And she's, you know, just living up all the press or she's getting clicks all over the
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She's getting followers all over the place to see what this story is.
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And, well, for the last six, nine months, really haven't heard much about her ever since
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the Olympic Committee came out and basically said, you're not eligible.
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You know, I don't know any other reason why she should.
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So, you know, let her get her a little, a few more days, you know.
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Yeah, I don't think the lawsuit actually has any merit.
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I mean, I just can't imagine this is a suit that, that Thomas would win by any means.
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Fortunately, in this society we're living in, we can't trust the law.
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No matter what side we're on, I've lost faith in a lot of the laws that are out there
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So, well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, um, I don't know if you remember back in San
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Francisco last year where I was virtually, I mean, I was attacked.
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Got a message today from the police in San Francisco and said they've suspended their
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investigation and there's no one that can be charged, which is so wild.
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I think, of course, you hold the students responsible.
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They said there are no grounds for any, any repercussions to be had.
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It was even on video, you know, and it's still, there's nothing there.
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It's just like, you know, these illegals that beat up those two cops, you know, I
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mean, you can't trust the law anymore and it's, it's a shame.
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Um, yeah, we have to make some changes in the future that we do.
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Um, I'll tell you one of the things, one of the things that makes me laugh almost the
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most, because it's kind of funny is when you'll post something and I'll go on your
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comments and people call you transphobic or they'll say you're anti-trans.
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When it comes to trans women in women's sports, I guess I am a little transphobic.
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You know, I have met in the last nine years that I've been out, I have met some of the
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most wonderful people, some of the smartest people, just, I mean, good human beings, you
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know, and there's so many more of that who have, you know, dealt with something that is
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extraordinarily difficult to deal with, done it in a classy way, done it the right way,
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moved on with their lives and live very productive lives.
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Um, but then you have in today's society where you have the internet, you have, you know, getting
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Some of them are out there trying to, you know, build up their profile and, um, and that's,
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and I have a problem with that, you know, they see, I, I already was a celebrity.
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I didn't, you know, I didn't do this to become famous.
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I do actually, I did this and became a lot of ways so controversial and, you know, in another
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way that I, I kind of lost a lot, lost a lot of followers, this, that, you know, and slowly
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But, um, uh, yeah, I, yeah, I like trans people who do it the right way.
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Most do it the right way, but that's not the ones that we're hearing about.
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And especially female to male, you never hear about that.
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About 49% female to male and 51% male to female.
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And the guys, first of all, it's easier to transition that way.
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And, um, and they just don't want to be activists.
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They just want to slide into society and move on with their life.
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You know, and it's much more difficult going the other direction to be passable and all that
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And to be honest with you, that was, I was too tall.
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You know, actually I was six, two and I just went and got a doctor's appointment and you
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And my voice, I didn't do anything to my voice, you know, and it, it even scares me when
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I hear it, you know, I go, Oh my God, my voice.
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Hopefully people listen to what I have to say, not the tone of my voice.
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Well, it's, it's as if you don't need to necessarily be affirmed by others because you know, you're
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Um, so yeah, I totally agree, but we've said 2024 is a big year.
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It's imperative that we get Joe Biden out of the white house.
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What do you say you and I go down to Paris, uh, and we commentate the Olympics.
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Um, no, I am, uh, I am actually talking to people.
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You know, I would, I, obviously I love the Olympics.
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I mean, I've been to many of them competed in two, um, and, uh, but been to many since
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the games and there's a few things in life that you just have to do.
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And one of those things, when it comes to sports, it's like the start of the Indianapolis
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500, a Superbowl, but the opening ceremonies of an Olympic games, there's nothing better
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So, uh, I, I love the games and I think it'd be great.
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I just did that big piece in the Daily Mail and the Daily Mail on this whole, yeah.
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And, uh, yeah, it was very, very, very well received, very well received.
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You know, you're going to have to fight on every, at every sport, at every level, you
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know, and we're going to have to give confidence with our fight to women.
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Uh, who are in sports, who are more and more willing to stand up for their sport.
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If they had a big tournament and they had this trans athlete in there and nobody else
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shows up, come on the LPGA, they would say, oh, you know what they're doing right now.
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They're making decisions for the minority and neglecting the majority.
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And you have to realize that the majority has the power.
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How can people follow along with, with what you've got?
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Well, just, I'll tell you what, for right now, because we're right kind of in the middle
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of a lot of things that we're doing right now, that I am, um, you know, I'm still
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Um, but there, you know, certainly have other things to do, if not that.
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Uh, um, I, I, I'm, I'm passionate about two things, protecting women's sports and two
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parental, um, uh, the power of the parent, you know, uh, the home.
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I grew up in a, in a wonderful home with a mother and a father and, uh, loving parents
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I see how government is trying to destroy the family structure and, uh, I'm passionate
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about trying to keep that family structure together, you know?
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And, uh, so I do a lot of things over there too.
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So, uh, yeah, I stay busy as I want, you know, and I work on my little golf game and I fly
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my little airplane, you know, I've been flying forever.
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So I'm having fun flying out to the middle of nowhere.
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I'm grateful that you, uh, donated some of your time.
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Um, so we will continue to be in the fight together.
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Uh, I imagine we will, um, be able to see each other again sometime soon.
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The fight has really just begun, uh, especially as it pertains to this whole LPGA, what's going
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We will continue having people on the games for girls podcast.
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Uh, and this will continue being in the forefront of the media as it's a presidential year.
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Uh, this is not an issue that is going to slow down anytime soon.
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