The Battle for Parental Rights
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In this episode of the Gains For Girls Podcast, we are talking to father Harrison Tinsley about the challenges he and his family have faced in their personal lives, in the education system, and in the court systems.
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welcome back to the gains for girls podcast it has been a crazy past few weeks uh really we have a
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front row seat to history we have seen the assassination attempt of a former president
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the rightful president the future president donald trump um who survived a bullet to the head by
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merely a quarter of an inch he picked his vp we saw biden now drop out of the race and then endorsed
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kamala harris uh who is probably still unburdened by what has been or what can be or what will be
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done whatever the nonsensical quote is um but we're witnessing history in real time uh today's guest
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um where i just mentioned a lot of things that sound uh grim and dooming and looming today's guest
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and today's story is a story of hope it is a a victory uh coming out of the state of california
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which is definitely never a given uh we are talking to father harrison tinsley uh this is a
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father uh he has a son a son who is four and a half years old by the name of sawyer um and he just won
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full custody of his son one full custody from what uh from a mom who was trying to push the gender
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ideology movement on this four-year-old boy um identifying him as non-binary making him wear
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dresses uh really tragic stuff uh but again this is a a winning story i cannot wait for you to hear
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the details of what harrison what his family what sawyer uh has faced at the hands of the california
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um education system at the hands of cps uh at the hands of of the court in california
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um california is of course a battleground uh we have seen some recent news come out of california
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surrounding an assembly bill ab1955 some of you might have seen on on x where elon musk said he is
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removing his businesses from the state of california uh taking them and his money to texas which is huge
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because of this bill and stories like harrison tinsley's in particular um check out the interview
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here to hear from harrison tinsley about his family what he's had to endure and what ab1955
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really is well harrison thank you so much for joining the gains for girls podcast uh i have been
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excited to talk with you for a while uh you and i have been in communication for i mean several months
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now uh in learning about your story but recently we got to get reconnected um and hear of a of a
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victory uh that is what today's story is it is one of hope and it is one of of blessings and it's a win
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but before we get into any of that uh would you share a little bit about yourself um who you are
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uh and how you find your found yourself uh with the platform that you have
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my name is harrison tinsley i'm 32 years old i grew up in the bay area california just grew up like a
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normal guy not too political or anything playing sports and extreme sports and causing mayhem and
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uh when i became a dad well i always really wanted to be a dad i always knew that in my heart i have a
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family but when i became a dad it became abundantly clear that that's the most amazing important thing
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in this world and so after that happened i just made it my mission to do anything i can for my
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fight for him and then seeing some of the crazy stuff that's happening in california to fight for
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all children so important they're innocent they're wonderful and they need to be protected
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no doubt about that uh yeah you you mentioned california you mentioned the bay area i mean this
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is a battleground uh the state of california it is a battleground for uh parental rights it's a
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battleground for the safeguarding of children it's a battleground for for women's rights uh the issues
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that i spend a lot of my time talking about so uh no doubt about that i kind of want to get into
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your story a little bit uh you have a son and um he's your your typical boy right hockey i think i read
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he plays football uh he's young um but take us through what you and your family went through
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what you faced in your personal lives uh but also in in the court systems and where it has led you to
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now and the son named soria he's four and a half years old he's amazing total man's man he loves all
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the sports riding bikes and scooters and the best jujitsu he loves fireworks and i just think it's really
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sad that anyone would try to change you know who he is as a person when he's so happy being a boy
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you say anything to the contrary or give him anything early he'll scream at you
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it's not about it at all and i just think it's so crazy to push these ideas and confuse children that
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have no interest in anything about sex or sexual identity or whatever craziness to try putting on kids
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but my story is as i was meeting a girl in the bay area we fell in love things were normal and
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she had some mental health issues but i always just thought i'd you know stick with her through it
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and she got pregnant pretty quickly in our relationship and thankfully she wanted to keep
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it we were both stoked when we found out it was a boy and we agreed upon the name sawyer even
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again and as as her pregnancy went on it was kind of a seemed like a political battle almost
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i can't speak for her but it really felt that because our political difference is that i was
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just being constantly threatened that i wouldn't see sawyer as this or that political things and me not
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being interested in the woman's march and things like that and it got to a point where she like broke
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up with me sent me a cease and desist letter uh which i respected so i didn't find out sawyer was
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foreign until about a week after from one of her friends on social media and i filed in court two
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months later to establish custody visitation and maternity and then i would have abandoned and it
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took 13 more months just for me to meet him so i finally met him at 15 months old in spite of
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knowing the whole time since pregnancy and filing in court just two months after birth
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and that was obviously heartbreaking travesty um i don't know what to say about it other than
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it hurt and it made me stronger and become a better stronger man to take on you know whatever
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this world entails for me including fighting for him and for all children and so i started to visit
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with him and there were some weird things that happened in some of the visits it just seemed like
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everything was always a battle to try to prove i'm doing something wrong finding like cameras
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recording me and all these people hiding in the bushes watching me and all this weird stuff
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but um i just pressed on did my visit sucked it up and then i moved to the bay area a few months
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later and i was awarded half custody like immediately it was incredible super thankful for that
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and so i started my half custody and that's around the time that i'm binary and calling him back
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um some pictures of him in some girly clothes dresses um i don't know how many months later
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he told me a story about going to disneyland and how he said he says his mom wouldn't let him go on
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the rides unless he wore his princess shoes and he didn't want to wear princess shoes so that was a
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really disheartening thing to hear but you know i just told him the truth like you know you're a boy
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you'll always be a boy i'm sorry that anyone would you know try to take that from you but
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he didn't buy into it at all he was really against from the get-go um his mom did some pretty severe
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defamation and harassment of me online etc regarding you know sawyer and just pretty horrific lies
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about me it's sort of like brett cabanaugh johnny depp kind of stuff uh to put it in perspective
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without getting too specific that that was a really hard thing to deal with you know somebody
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that you used to love to say such heinous things about you that are completely untrue
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but thankfully i was able to dispel all of those in court i had five of my ex-girlfriends from like
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high school on testified for me which i'm extremely thankful to all of them you know it's not hard
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being to reach out to someone you haven't talked to in years but you know used to be dating and ask for
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something that big and they all did that so thankful i mean it's just incredible
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and um let's see so around this time to a few months later after winning half custody his mom was
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arrested for a child endangerment placed on a 5150 hold there was a cps investigation so i i ended up
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bringing all this to court oh and i got a restraining order um temporary restraining order because of the
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harassment and defamation of me was so severe and so untrue so i brought all of that to court and i
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got a trial in family court which is um i'm super lucky and like i got ended up getting a five-day trial
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and most people get like 30 minutes and that's all you get so i was super lucky and thankful for that
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right on it presented all this evidence and police reports and all the restraining order had been
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violated she's treating them non-memory he doesn't like it and all these things and i felt so good about the
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trial it seemed so one-sided and afterwards the court decided we're going to keep custody 50 50 and
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that was you know pretty devastating to hear i felt helpless for a second and i was i was definitely i'm
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also completely out of money and race and stuff are so expensive in family court and i ended up
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deciding i was just going to go public and sort of tell the world you know my story because i thought
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you know people should know this and i didn't want to feel like i was the only one dealing with it and
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so i feel unfaithful the daily wire wrote my story matt walsh and i know after that happened it just seemed
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like my story started taking off and i became part of like that army and our duty all these parent groups
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and finding out i'm not alone and started fighting some of these crazy anti-parent in california
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and fighting this nonsense in general and it's just been amazing to be part of that sort of purpose
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of fighting your children and fighting that matters and be courageous in your life and the world opens up
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to you in so many ways and it's just crazy i mean i've met some of the most wonderful people that are so
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supportive and they really mean it too just incredible people incredible movement you know we need to protect
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kids and save women's sports i mean i admire what you do so much you're so courageous speaking up about
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it and i'm just thankful to be a part of it so i i do all these interviews i pretty much did every
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interview i was ever offered i'm just thankful or lucky enough to be part of a couple movies like the
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war on children and um my appeal is still going so we're we're hoping to win that just sort of
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for our unpraceable but we fast forward a little there's some tiny little family court battles that
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are sort of irrelevant but it ends up being that i get a call one day to pick up sawyer because his
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mom's been arrested and i went and picked him up and there was a whole police report and cps investigation
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and they told me what happened and it was really scary situation that sawyer had to witness
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and his mom had gotten in a fight with dad uh one of her dads she was adopted she has two dads
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and she got in a fight with one of them a really physical scary altercation where she had like
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broken his nose even and they were like really really severe physical violence for a four-year-old
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to see i guess he sort of snuck up you know to see what was happening he was hiding at first because i'm
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sure it was scary sandy and he snuck up like with this little kid's plastic baseball bat something
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similar to that and according to him his mom said yeah hit him in the face him in the face so he had
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to like hit his own grandpa in the face at the instruction of his mom which is just like such a
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not okay thing for a four-year-old to have to go through and uh the mom claims that he just did it on
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his own and she didn't instruct him i don't know what the truth is i tend to believe sawyer but
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it happened and he ran the whole police report and seep against her court and there's even photo
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evidence of his baseball bat with blood on it so it's really horrible that he had to go through that
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and it's just crazy because i tried telling the court and cps and everything for so long that you
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know this sort of thing's gonna happen if they don't give me custody and no one listens and then it
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takes something so severe but thankfully after this incident that cps did take it seriously the
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family court did not um i filed an ex parte the very next day and then denied it which
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was very surprising and me and my attorney's opinion they pretty much had to grant this
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ex parte on a temporary basis which is a request for an immediate emergency custody orders
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and they denied it but cps said that's okay we're not gonna put up with that you know cps took
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custody temporarily giving me full custody and they did about a four-month investigation
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very thorough did their jobs they weren't political um the first cps report i felt like politics
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didn't matter almost but this one they just did their job they put politics aside
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i felt like it was a miracle i got a really counting male cps worker who really just cared about
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doing the right thing and what's best for sawyer and at the end of it you know his recommendation was
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to give full physical and legal custody to me and so i was in agreement with that and sawyer's appointed
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counsel was in agreement with that so it was just us three versus the mom and her attorney and we ended
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up settling right before the trial so that i have full physical custody we have split legal custody but
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i have the final say if we don't agree it's very important and she has some driving alcohol testing
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and a couple visits and those visits are monitored and her visits for the four months prior to that were
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all supervised perfectly which i'm thankful for but yeah so we came up with a good deal and even to mom's
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credit she agreed to this these terms so now i think that things are looking really good for sawyer
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and even in just four months or however long it's been now and i've had him full-time he's just doing
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so well he's just flourishing you know less temper tantrums and he seems to be doing so well it's just
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incredible i'm so thankful to cps for you know doing the right thing and just doing their job and putting
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politics aside it's not always actually i would say it's fairly uncommon uh based off of of experiences
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of others um people that i have heard from uh where cps uh is effective and what they do in a way that
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that benefits the child uh in a way that that is um i guess represents what is good represents you as a
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parent um it's tragic uh it is actually horrific that it takes instances like that it takes saw your
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seeing uh the harm and the severity that he saw um to ultimately come to a a good conclusion but
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again that's the sad reality of it a couple things i noticed and in in allowing you to tell your story
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and what you said um i can't imagine having a a child having a son and not being able to see him
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after he until he's already a year old i mean that's a year of i mean he's four years old that's
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a quarter of his life uh the most critical impressionable age where a father wasn't able to see
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his son uh i loved that you told him or that you said look i just told him the truth that he's a boy
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uh it's really that that simple you just told him the truth i think that's incredible
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um did you ever find out i guess mom's motives you know or really the motive of of anyone i mean what
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what's your your best guess here as to why mom or anyone would push this kind of agenda
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on children children as young as three four years old well she has some pretty severe mental health
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issues that could play into it but as well you know she actually identifies herself now as non-binary
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so i think that could you know be projecting onto him as well or trying to and i think a lot of people
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get caught up in this sort of getting wanting their kids to be part of it so that they can have some
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sort of social media hierarchy or you know look compassionate or look like they're special because
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their kid has this thing and it's just that and i of course don't know i can't speak for her but it
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either way it's unacceptable and thank god sawyer hasn't bought into it in any way shape or form
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and he has me um and my lovely wife now and all my family and friends and just telling them the
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truth and letting him be who she is that cannot be changed can't stress that enough you know we can't
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change people's sex and the whole idea is just crazy it's gone on long enough and it's time where we
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just say no more you you are weirdos your groomers you're crazy people we're not letting you put a sexual
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idea things and be inappropriate with kids brainwash our kids but the time in history to stop it's
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right now everyone knows it's wrong i live in the bay area i don't know any parents or people that go
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along with this or agree with in any way i haven't met any and i don't know what gavin newsom and like
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that or scott weiner are doing signing bills like ab1955 to try to take away parental rights and take away
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our only way of even being involved in the school basically taking away like the school board's
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rights and mandate something they basically took that away with that bill they're just trying to
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take our kids from us and it's demented it's evil and we just we need people more people to speak up
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like you and me we have to stop it kids deserve to be protected at times now this is the moment in history
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harrison i was so appalled uh where recently we saw uh video circulating uh of san francisco this
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the streets of san francisco and the pride events uh that were taking place there um it was all over
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my timeline on every social media platform on twitter on instagram everywhere uh i couldn't even
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retweet i couldn't even amplify these things because it's it was quite literally pornographic
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you saw men uh giving sexual oral favors to other men on the streets of course like naked
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uh you saw men who were urinating on people they had like a little kiddie pool that was set out
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in the middle of the street uh people who would take turns sitting in the pool take turns being urinated
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on uh all the while the police uh were standing idly by just watching kids are running around kids
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are everywhere i saw a video where uh and i think it was some sort of journalist or just a bystander
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approached the police and said hey uh isn't this some form of like voyeurism or indecent exposure to
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have people naked and performing sexual acts in the public streets of san francisco to which the
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the police responded back with well no because no one is being sexually gratified that is what the
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police said um again all to just kind of to to hit home um that this is happening of course we know
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it's happening in california but this is happening all around us uh which is why it's so crucial we have
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people like yourself who who live in uh these battleground areas who are willing to push back because if you
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don't uh then who in the world will uh one other thing i noticed about what you said uh you mentioned
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a couple times uh this feeling of helplessness um not really knowing how to continue on or or if you
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would ever really persevere in this fight and so i guess my question to you is then why why continue
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what was your your motivating factor that allowed you to see this through to the end
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well first of all that that's sick and demented that that was happening at pride i didn't realize
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it was that that that's insane that blows my mind i don't know how anyone thinks that's okay to do
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in front of children i think that we need some serious reform on what's illegal in front of children
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and i don't i really think that's horrific and that needs to be stopped entirely how do we put up
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with that like we're adults in charge of protecting kids and their instincts and why would we let
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something like that happen i mean just like how if you were walking on the street with your kid
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would never be okay with that it seems so radical and extreme and to touch on the elon musk thing i think
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elon musk is an american hero and will go down as one i mean from buying twitter x to you know moving
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tesla and spacex i really think he's just done actually a great service and i'm so thankful for
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someone like him he's actually i i think liked or betrayed my story before so i know he's aware of it
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and it's just it's so cool to see someone with so much influencing power and you know just care so
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much about regular people because i'm sure he could just live his life and not worry about what's
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happening with regular people like us but he he does care and that means something and um yeah ab1955
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these sorts of bills i don't know who they're catering to because no one agrees with them you
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know for the most part i'm sure there's radicals in arsak that do but you know there's also 665 and 223
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past and bad bills he did veto 957 last year which i fought against which i was super thankful for
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but um yeah these anti-parent bills need to stop they're definitely have marxist roots whether that's
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intentional or not that's still what it is separating you know children from families and uh i think we're going
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to see a great comeback of california it really feels that way to me i feel the momentum i feel
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like the tide's turning and i really feel that people are ready to start speaking up and stop
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putting up with this child abuse and child craziness protect their children as far as i go
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i mean i'm mr bright side i always hop in i'm like a hopeless optimist and no matter what happens i always
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try to find the one way out whether it's a one percent chance i'll take it and i always just
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try to do the right thing and see the best in people and best possible scenario happening and
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the fight for that and i believe in that and just no matter what you do to me or say to me it's never
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going to stop me from loving sawyer and protecting sawyer and from doing the right thing and fighting for
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kids and protecting girls you know like you or my sisters or my nieces like it's it's unacceptable to
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help guys in girls locker rooms just like we're talking about the pride stuff this is no different
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it's like even more personal it's totally insane and we just we need brave people to start speaking
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up and more people will follow like this is insanity you people are sick you should be ostracized from
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society and we're not just going to pretend it's normal anymore and like just live our lives and pretend
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it's not happening it is happening it's wrong we're gonna fight you to the bitter end no matter what
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it takes and yeah i just see you have to be brave you have to speak the truth that's what we need
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right now and that's what i've always found the way to do in my life well we're grateful for it and
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yeah i believe stories like yours uh like i said elon musk said uh that ab1955 and other stories and laws
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that have preceded it um definitely contributed uh to his willingness uh to to remove himself
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and his money which is is frank quite frankly uh what matters to california government um to remove
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that from from the state of california so you're largely to thank uh your willingness to be outspoken
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uh you mentioned you're not alone either uh have you talked to other parents uh across the country
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who have faced a a similar tragic reality to that of what you faced parents who are are have been taken
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to court uh for affirming their their child's god-given sex um parents who have have even some uh i've read
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some accounts of parents who have not had the same outcome that you have had and ultimately have had
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their children removed uh from from their houses um so so have you talked to other parents um what's
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the consensus there well like how you said confirmed because it's interesting when i was fighting at
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the capitol i've actually met scott wiener and stroking in front of this little council a few times
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and i was talking about ab957 i was like well i'm going to use this bill and be the first person to
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win custody because i'm the one affirming solar's gender because he says he's a bullet so if his
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mom's saying he's non-binary that's not affirming his gender which means this bill should give me
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custody um scott wiener doesn't seem to like me he won't talk to me the time since because that's
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hard to say hi to him like and i've been nice to him like scott and he like just won't even say hi
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he'll like have a security not let me talk to him you're way too loud for scott wiener yeah i just don't
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get what motivates him though it just seems so weird something deeply wrong but um yeah i've met
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a lot of fit parents and unfortunately some of them have it much much worse than me there's adam bina
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jeff younger we need to save their boys they're having a really hard time in court and seem to be
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getting really unfair trials but yeah i'm part of data army and our duty and i've met so many parents
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doing these sorts of things and cps things and i always try to talk to everyone because they seem
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you know so inspired by the fact that i won and or even have half custody at the time too
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some people aren't even that lucky just because of this crazy gender nonsense but um yeah i mean i
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just do my best to inspire them tell them what i did and hopefully lift their spirits to keep fighting
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because we have to fight there's always a chance no matter how slim it seems you can't do nothing it's
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your child even if you fail at least if you try your hardest you'll be able to look back and know
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you tried your hardest but you can't just do nothing you have to fight has saw your seen his mom uh
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since you have been awarded full custody yeah so i mean he's saw her like supervised and then now he
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he sees her monitor meaning like a friend or someone's there for the visit but she sees him
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regularly yeah well that's good overnights or anything yeah yeah well i um again i commend you
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on your uh how you've handled this situation from from beginning to end which i'm sure this isn't really
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the end right i'm sure that you will continue to to face pushback uh it seems as if the road has not
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been paved before you but how you have handled it thus far uh is admirable in your optimism uh in the
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way that you have had grace for those who have uh objectively done wrong by you but more importantly
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done wrong to sawyer um i think it's admirable and incredibly respectable uh how can we support
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you uh and your family you mentioned you are are now newly married um how can we support you guys
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well thank you for saying that it means a lot i do my best you know i i really think sorry's mom has
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lots of good qualities she's a human being i think the line between good and evil cuts through everyone's
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heart and hopefully she can start to make better decisions and battle through her mental illness
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etc and same with anyone who's you know going through this that god can get to them or just
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they can have some sort of spiritual awakening to sort of see the truth and do right but uh my family
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you know it's incredible i'd actually love to tell you the story because it adds even more sort of
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hope from all of this but uh you know i have a give send go it's a give send go saving sawyer
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we still have our appeal going unfortunately like you saying you were saying there's potential that
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you know his mom can file like him or anytime she wants to try to change things and make things more
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difficult for me um thankfully this this order from the whole cps thing is a little bit more final than
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all the other ones so it gives me a little more protection but still you know any day i could get
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served with a new request for order so to speak to change custody so hopefully that doesn't happen we'll see
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how it goes but um so like i was telling you my story blew up i was doing all these interviews
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right and i'm i'm in arizona chick i'm never in arizona and i'm doing an interview with charlie
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kirk who's someone i admire and respect so already that's like crazy i'm like i'm just some guy what
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i'm interviewing with charlie kirk right now this is so crazy i was interviewing with alex park the next
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day who's also awesome and um i was in arizona and i interviewed with charlie and then i was just sort of
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hanging around turning point usa i had nothing to do for the day i was hanging out with the film
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guys because i'm friends with them i've done some movie work with them and stuff and uh i saw this
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beautiful you know girl and i flipped my hair and i she always reminds me of that and i opened her door
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and i walked in her office and it was just like miracle frequency everywhere everywhere there's magic in
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the air like this felt like something so profound and special even being near her and i talked to
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her i told her she's incredibly beautiful and we ended up just like talking and laughing for like
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an hour and we talked the next day for like about an hour and then it ended up she was in california
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two weeks later and i took her on a date and and a date the next day and the rest is history and
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she's the love of my life and we're married and it's just so incredible and divine that we met at that
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time there's so many so much potential for us not to meet that day i won't get into specifics but
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there was a lot of things that happened like my interview had been rescheduled and i just totally
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missed her and she's just the love of my wife and i'm so thankful it's just so cool it's just it goes
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to show like look i was i was doing interviews with all this and somehow i met my wife just by random
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chance in arizona by you know having the courage to speak up it's it's crazy how god uses uh unfortunate
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circumstances i mean circumstances that no one should have to go through uh to open doors and to allow for
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goodness even in in the days that um seemed like nothing good could come from them um so god bless you
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god bless your family uh again this is a a story that should leave everyone's smiling it's a roller
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coaster of emotions that's for sure um but the outcome uh you with full custody of sawyer happily
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married uh staying in california in the bay area nonetheless to continue fighting the good fight
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um where a lot of people are ridding themselves of that uh people coming from california to my home state
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of tennessee uh we're building up a border around our state now uh we don't want you guys here i'm
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just kidding here and you and sawyer and your beautiful wife can come but after that i love
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tennessee it's um but really we we appreciate you uh so thank you for coming on and we will be following
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along anything that we can do to amplify and to continue throwing our support at you and families
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like yours uh who have have uh been unfairly faced with with what you've been faced with
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we will certainly be doing just that so thank you thank you riley god bless you and so appreciate
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you taking the time to have me on and speak my story hopefully it inspires some people and we're
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going to win this war on children it's coming to an end so people should really start to think
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what side of history they want to be on i know that's kind of the cliche term but it's true
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and it's coming it's coming soon and it's never been on the wrong side of history to defend killed
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children so exactly i know where i'll be and i think it's right there with you uh so thank you
00:33:39.860
harrison that's right thank you guys for tuning in to the gains for girls podcast make sure you like
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give sin go for harrison tinsley and his family he mentioned uh that fighting this battle in the
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courts has taken a a big toll uh both emotionally um it has taken a toll financially uh so be sure to
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