The Battle Inside the Conservative Movement ｜ The Riley Gaines Show
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Summary
On today's episode of The R.I.P. Show, host Riley Gains talks about the latest conspiracy theories surrounding the death of former Minnesota Governor Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens' take on the matter, and why it's important to remember that there's no common ground between the Republican and Democratic parties.
Transcript
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Came out earlier this week on Wednesday with Nick Shirley.
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We talked about Governor Tim Walz and the ending of his 2026 gubernatorial re-election bid,
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So we hope to have him back on The Riley Gaines Show when that comes out.
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When I was thinking about this episode and what I wanted to talk about,
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obviously understanding the importance, it's still the first week, what is it that I wanted
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I put one of those little boxes up there for, gives you guys the ability to answer directly,
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So many of you responded back and said you wanted to hear my thoughts on the different
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conspiracy theories that are floating around out there surrounding Charlie Kirk's death,
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And specifically, so many of you said you wanted to know what I thought about Candace Owens,
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When I was preparing for this episode, of course, I wanted to be able to deliver to you guys
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So when I was preparing for this, honestly, I had a couple personal revelations that I'm
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not overly proud of when thinking about why I had refrained from speaking about this.
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Why hadn't I talked about the conspiracies and the infighting that we're seeing amongst
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the conservative party, many conservative influencers?
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But before we get into that, I think it's important to understand the state of the nation
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currently at large between our two political parties.
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I probably don't have to tell you guys that there's really no common ground anymore between
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Every single issue just about whether it's the border, right?
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Democrats can't say that a closed border makes for a secure nation, whether it's crime,
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They cry like federal overreach when President Trump tries to deploy the National Guard in
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They can't say that kids belong to their parents, not the government.
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They can't say that men and women are physically different.
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Now they'll charge you with like some kind of hate crime for saying that out loud.
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They can't say that human rights extend to all humans, even those that are small, independent,
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And as the first episode of the Rally Gains show showed us with Nick Shirley, they cannot
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Those are the obvious differences between the two political parties.
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I'm sure maybe you feel it in your everyday lives, right?
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We just wrapped up with Christmas and Thanksgiving.
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I would imagine there are some of you listening to this who sat around the dinner table at Thanksgiving
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and you get into these heated political conversations.
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Maybe some of your family members find out that you voted for Trump.
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Maybe some of you have family members who didn't show up to Christmas because they found out
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Maybe some of you listening to this, those of you maybe in college or high school, you've
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felt like in the past you've had to change your stance on a persuasive essay to achieve
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All that to say, I'm not saying that conservatives in the Republican Party are perfect.
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But we don't see this level of intolerance and sheer vitriol from the Republican Party
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at the same degree we do the Democratic Party, which is ironic considering the Democrats claim
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to be the party of tolerance and acceptance and being welcoming and embracing of diversity.
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Well, let me tell you, they certainly do not embrace diverse thought.
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Um, so that's the state of the Democratic Party.
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Even just this week, they had a candlelit vigil for the fifth anniversary of January 6th.
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If you're watching on youtube.com, we've got it playing on the screen here.
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When I first saw this, I thought it was AI watching.
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Uh, I see this as manufactured people with manufactured outrage, right?
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It's so performative and it is embarrassingly unserious.
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Like watching this, I think I literally got secondhand embarrassment.
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When I finally got over the cringe and the embarrassment that I felt watching this, I thought that this is the same group of people
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who didn't hold a candlelight vigil for people like Lake and Riley.
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Uh, but praise God, President Trump is back in the Oval Office.
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Gone are the days when the left could force its alternate reality on Americans, at least for now.
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Uh, they went from controlling the narrative entirely when President Biden was in office to having a new president and a majority of voters who no longer buy into the theatrics that we saw there.
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Uh, but watching that, it was an important reminder to me that elections matter.
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Um, a few things have changed though, since that landslide victory that we had back in November of 2024.
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Uh, despite their unpopularity, the left has only leaned in to their extremism.
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They have only gotten more radical and truthfully, it's scary to say it, but they have gained some ground since.
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Uh, and despite our advantage, some on the right seem to have already forgotten who the real adversary is.
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Uh, so what I want to talk about in this episode is the rapid division that we are seeing within the conservative party,
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especially within the last three or four months on September 10th, we lost one of actually probably the most influential and effective and articulate and brightest minds of our time.
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That person, of course, being Charlie Kirk, uh, I'm sure many of you could gather this.
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Maybe you don't have a personal relationship with Charlie Kirk like I did, uh, but I'm sure even still, you could gather that Charlie Kirk was special because he was a coalition builder.
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It has become increasingly evident following his death, uh, that he was really the glue of the conservative movement, right?
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He's like the connecting fiber of the conservative party.
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It was his mission at turning point USA to bring along young voters, first time Trump voters, my generation, generation Z.
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He did that by meeting them where they were going to college campuses.
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Many people thought that people of my demographic, uh, especially young women, college age women were a lost cause to the Republican party.
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He said, look, this is a winnable group of people.
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These college campuses, he did it really, really well.
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Uh, also I was at the rally, the Trump rally back, uh, prior to his win in November.
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And I think it was in Phoenix, Arizona, where we saw this amazing collaboration for the first time between Maha and MAGA.
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Uh, this was a rally that he put on, of course, RFK.
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He shows up to that rally to support Donald Trump.
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That wouldn't have happened without Charlie Kirk.
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I never in my life thought I would see the day where a Kennedy Democrat supports a Republican nominee, especially when the Republican nominee is president Donald Trump.
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Uh, so when you think of Charlie's legacy and what he stood for and what he died for, I think of how he brought people together.
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And again, he did that by speaking the truth and encouraging people to think for themselves.
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Uh, following his premature death, or really let's call it what it is, uh, his assassination, his murder, there was a real opportunity, uh, an opportunity to galvanize, to unite, to come together, to come back stronger following this.
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Uh, and you, I think back to the following days, the immediate, and there was so much momentum, right?
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Uh, I can tell you what I saw at my church on the Sunday following his death.
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My, me and my husband, we had to park like half a mile away just to get into the door.
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There was no empty seat inside that church, right?
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Bible cells were up, I think 30, 35% the following month.
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Uh, we saw so many young people all across the country looking for ways to get involved and inquiring about how they can live a life like Charlie Kirk did.
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Uh, and honestly, I hate talking about my friend's death because yes, he was a political activist.
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He was my boss technically at Turning Point USA, but, but really he was more than that to me.
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Uh, he was there for me at the very beginning of this.
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I think he saw something, well, this is actually what he told me.
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Uh, he had no reason to, uh, kind of take me under his wing in the way that he did.
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I was just a college age girl, uh, who experienced an injustice and spoke about this injustice.
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That, that was my only qualification to be in the position that I'm in now.
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He believed in me and that was really like a transfer of confidence.
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His belief in me allowed me to believe in myself.
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And so I hate talking about my friend's death in the way that I, I guess I am in a way
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that insinuates, we could have capitalized or, or we could have net benefited from his
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death because frankly, I'd rather him still be here, uh, than to have that momentum that
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Uh, and quite frankly, I don't like speaking for a man who isn't here to defend himself,
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but I do imagine, uh, that he would have wanted his death to be a unifying moment for the
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And I think more importantly for the kingdom of Christ, uh, but what has become very, very
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Um, is louder, it is angrier and it is more fractured than it has been in years.
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A few weeks back, I was at America fest, which this is a annual conference put on by turning
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Uh, this of course was the first am fest without Charlie Kirk there.
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Uh, night one, we saw people on stage taking shots at one another.
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Uh, I think, uh, Ben Shapiro was night one Tucker Carlson.
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Uh, I'm not here to tell these people what they should or shouldn't say.
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Uh, quite frankly, that's pretty anti American.
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I'm not here to do that, but I am of the mind that there's a time and place.
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And I don't think that am fest Charlie super bowl, as Erica said, uh, is the time and place,
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When you take the stage at an event like am fest, where there's 20 to 30,000 people in
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the crowd, largely consisting of high school and college age kids, uh, who are there to
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They're there to learn with millions of people watching online.
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Uh, that's a real opportunity and opportunity to, to use it for good.
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Uh, one person who was not there is Candace Owens.
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Before I say anything about my thoughts on Candace Owens and the wild theories that she's putting
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out there, I want to say that it is okay to question things, right?
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I think it would be a problem if we didn't question things.
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I actually think it's a pretty inherently conservative ideological trait to question
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It's a good thing and it's true nature, but what I don't believe is fruitful is saying,
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you know, I'm just asking questions, but what you're actually doing is making totally
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Uh, you know, like asking questions, but really they're statements with a question mark at the
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At this point where we are right now in January of 2026, several months following Charlie
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And, uh, since Candace Owens has gone online and made some of these wild accusations, uh,
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it's much easier now to come online and say emphatically that what Candace Owens is doing
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to Charlie Kirk, to his legacy, to his beautiful bride, or really, I should say his widow, uh,
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to turning point USA, which is the organization that Charlie Kirk spent his entire adult life
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So he could have influence among the youth, which clearly he had besides the point, it's
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easy to come online now, I believe, and say that what she is doing is distasteful.
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Uh, I believe that it's evil and it's defamatory, quite frankly.
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Uh, I say it's easier because we've seen people come out, uh, before me, right?
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People like Ali Bestucki and Alex Clark, both, uh, people who I admire very much.
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They were very quick to come out when others would not and say, Hey, look, uh, Charlie's
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And under the guise of truth and justice, you're insinuating an array of people were involved
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Uh, when this first discourse first started happening online, uh, I gave some pretty terrible
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Uh, and I, I call them that because that's what they are.
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Uh, these things were excuses as to why I didn't need to comment on these things.
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Number one, I didn't think anyone needed my input or commentary.
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New information was coming out, uh, and I had just had a baby.
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Uh, so I think I was maybe, you know, four or five weeks postpartum at this point when
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Uh, but I think the thing that deterred me the most, and I say, those are excuses.
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The thing that deterred me the most from speaking about this, and I'm ashamed to say it.
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And this is what I was alluding to in, you know, the first few minutes of this podcast,
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when I was talking about the personal revelations that I had, uh, I was scared.
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I was scared of the inevitable backlash that I would get for, uh, saying something about
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Uh, I realize that, uh, you get backlash for posting any of your opinions online.
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You could say you like vanilla ice cream better than chocolate ice cream, and you're going
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to see like a total unleashing of what about ism.
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Hence why I say these were all pretty terrible excuses.
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I will say, I want justice for Charlie Kirk, for his wife, for turning point, just about
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So to be very, very clear, the person or potentially the people or the institutions who were behind
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his murder, I want to see those people punished to the fullest extent of the law, which means
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But some of the conspiracy theories floating around out there, again, they're, they're
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Uh, and so you might say, you know, why, why do you think they're baseless?
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How can you so confidently say they're baseless?
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Number one, uh, Candace Owens made a podcast episode about this mysterious and cryptic and
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infamous influencer gathering in the Hamptons a few weeks before Charlie's death.
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I was there in the Hamptons a few weeks before Charlie was murdered.
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And some of the things that Candace was saying had happened at that retreat with Bill Ackman,
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I don't know if maybe she received information from someone that was simply false.
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I'm not sure, but I can tell you, uh, some of the people in the room, the things that
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Now, at this point, there are several people or groups of people that Candace has implied.
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There's been some understanding of Charlie's death prior to, uh, the shooting, uh, right?
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Like our own government, the French government, Egyptian planes, the Mossad, there's like a
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secret trap door underground, uh, that's too many people wearing maroon.
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It's the soccer player from Utah Valley university who had his hoodie up, uh, et cetera, et cetera,
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Some of the people that she has been, I think, indirectly implicating is Charlie's security
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Uh, I will say, I understand that dynamic very well.
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Uh, I have seen the interactions between Charlie and his detail, uh, prior to his death.
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I've seen what it looked, has looked like for Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk following
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I can tell you assuredly, uh, based on the conversations that I have had with people who
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were there, uh, that those, that, that is a ridiculous accusation or even thing to be
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inquiring about, uh, two of the people who, uh, worked that security detail, uh, gave me
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very in-depth detail of what it looked like in the 30 seconds he was on the ground before
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Uh, I mean, it's graphic and I, I don't really want to go there on this podcast.
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Plus, um, I don't feel as if I need to clarify what was said or the things that were done to
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Charlie Kirk in those few seconds while he's on the ground.
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Uh, but to say his security detail was somehow some way, shape or form implicated is ridiculous.
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And one more thing too, uh, she's talked a lot about Mikey McCoy, which I know Mikey
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personally, he is the happiest, the bubbliest, the kindest, the friendliest, uh, person I
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Uh, I believe he was his, you know, chief of staff or assistant, whatever you want to
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call it for, for a while, uh, prior to his death.
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Um, so I know, you know, how do you know what to believe at this point?
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It's one person's word against another person's word.
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I'm just here to tell you in the interactions and the personal relationships I have, uh, that
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is why I think so much of what Candace is saying is entirely baseless and unfounded and
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never being backed up with real convicting evidence.
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Uh, I was also hesitant to talk about this because, uh, the comments that you get about,
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you know, you've been paid, you know, you got the call, the $7,000 must've hit your account.
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I don't even think I could point to Israel on a map.
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Uh, I'm ashamed to say that I'm not proud to say it, uh, but no one pays me, especially
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Uh, I think moral conviction is just a foreign concept to some people.
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Uh, and I think you'll have some people who comment on this and say, well, you're just
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Uh, I actually take real issue with people who treat Trump as if he's Jesus Christ himself.
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Uh, for example, uh, I have an issue with the handling of the Epstein files.
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Uh, and for clarity, do I think president Trump is implicated in these files?
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I think that would have been released years ago if he was.
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Um, and I also understand that, you know, we, as the public, we aren't privy to what those
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internal conversations look like in the release of the files.
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But I will say, I don't appreciate how president Trump handled it for a while when he was pressed
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Uh, I think he said something to the effect, you know, the people who are demanding, uh,
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the release of the Epstein files are, are stupid and foolish.
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That's something I, I certainly wasn't okay with.
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So get out of here with your, your Trump loyalist stuff.
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So that's a little background of the infighting that we've seen other actors, again, Tucker
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Carlson, Ben Shapiro, you have Megan Kelly, uh, Candace, Ian Carroll, Dave Smith, that those
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are some of the people who have been involved in this.
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And when approaching this conversation, I'm really of two minds.
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I thought I would, you know, come on here and ask everyone to unite and put all of those
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differences aside because we have to win in 2026.
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And I still do think that that's why this is kind of hard for me.
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So I'm kind of unpacking this out in real time with you guys.
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So again, on one hand, yes, we must unite, but on the other hand, I'm not sure if it's
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good to overlook some of the things that the infighting that we're seeing is fundamentally
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People talk a lot about unity as if that is the highest good.
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Uh, well, I'm here to tell you that it's not the highest good.
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And when truth matters, unity isn't always possible.
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Uh, that reality shows up far more, I believe on the right than on the left.
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Uh, the modern left is animated and enthralled and motivated by demolition and destruction,
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Institutions, traditions, history, historical figures, historical statues, uh, moral boundaries
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Uh, and when your goal is destruction, you don't need agreement.
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You need the people who are on the ground, uh, willing to do those things.
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Any tactic will do so long as the target falls.
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Now the right, the conservative party, uh, it's different because I do believe that we're
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Erica Kirk, she said it, I forget which interview it was, but you know, someone asked her, you
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know, what do you say to the naysayers, uh, to the people like Candace Owen?
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She says, look, we're building, uh, and building that requires clarity.
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It requires shared definitions and shared goals and shared first principles.
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You cannot build without answering basic questions, right?
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Uh, we could approach this conversation as Americans, as human beings, but as a Christian
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myself, I tend to approach this conversation as a Christian.
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Uh, the foundation that we're talking about, uh, it's not one of political power or government
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It is the truth that human beings are made in the image of God.
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Uh, one whose authority stands above the state, uh, right?
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I understand that our rights don't come from legislators or courts.
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Uh, and so when talking about right and wrong and good and bad, uh, truth versus evil, uh,
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these aren't things that are negotiated by a majority vote or a 2026, uh, electoral win,
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I think we should remove it and the entire framework collapses.
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Uh, so I believe as Christians, our responsibility is not to water down these principles or these
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Uh, it is to argue, to persuade, and to invite others toward what is objectively good and true,
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Unity that requires abandoning truth, I don't think is unity at all.
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And so yes, the fractures and the fissure that we're seeing on the right, it is certainly
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uncomfortable to watch these debates pan out in real time online.
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You want people to take it behind closed doors, uh, but I do believe they exist because you
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have people who are willing to argue about what is true, uh, just as Charlie Kirk did before
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I believe oftentimes as it's proving to be, it is painful.
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Uh, the left can unify quickly because, uh, clearly the truth does not matter to them.
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Uh, the truth, avoiding the truth, it makes power really easier to obtain for them.
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Uh, but the right, on the other hand, I think it takes us longer to unify.
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And because we believe in the truth and that difference matters.
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There was a tweet put up by Dan Bongino, who is the, um, deputy director, former deputy
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He's going back to doing what he did prior to this position, which is in the media, uh,
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Uh, he says in this tweet, I'll put the whole thing on the screen.
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So if you're watching it, youtube.com, you can see, I'm just going to read a little piece
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Um, he's directly addressing here, uh, his words, a group of black pillars, life losers,
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The last paragraph here, he says, we've got midterms coming up and there's no time for
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The administration is cooking and real change simmers.
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If you're spending your entire day whining with three fourths of the term still to go,
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It's not infighting when you excise a cancer, killing the host.
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It's out fighting because you're not part of any movement I'm familiar with.
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I started thinking, you know, who are some of these bad actors, people that I align themselves
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with the conservative party, maybe our view traditionally as being conservative, but don't
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And one that comes to mind is of course, Nick Fuentes.
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But I will say that women are very difficult to be around.
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And do you think they should have the right to vote?
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There's like a thousand Nick Fuentes quotes that we could play, um, that I don't believe
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And I think the funny part is if you don't know what he looks like, he's like a five foot
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Anyways, he also said this about vice president Vance.
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He said he is a fat race mixer who is married to a jeet and has a son named the fake.
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So if he's trying to imply that, you know, he wants a president, actually, he has said
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It's not about implying, um, who is white and strong.
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He said he'd vote for Newsom over, over vice president Vance in a 2028 election.
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If it came down to it, uh, this guy's last name is Fuentes.
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I can think of several other bad actors in the conservative movement who, uh, I believe
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are, are necessary and urgent that we call them out.
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Otherwise they gain a voice as Nick Fuentes has.
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If we don't call them out, uh, think about where we are headed, uh, specifically if we
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don't unite in some shape, form or fashion, uh, look at the political race.
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That we have seen following the 2024, you know, red wave that we saw, uh, one of those
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being the governor of Virginia, uh, the Democrat one, as opposed to when some Sears, uh, look
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I believe this is the biggest condemnation of humanity that we have seen, uh, thus far,
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at least as it pertains to any major level race, uh, Jay Jones, who is now the state's
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top law enforcement officer, uh, said that he wishes to watch the children of his political
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The state's top law enforcement officer wants to watch his political opponents' children
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And obviously we saw what has happened in New York, a self-described Muslim socialist, which
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We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
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If our campaign demonstrated that the people of New York yearn for solidarity, then let this
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government foster it because no matter what you eat, how you pray, or where you come from,
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the words that most define us are the two we all share, New Yorkers.
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If this doesn't send chills down your spine, uh, then you haven't learned a single lesson
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Uh, that is what built the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
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It is one of, uh, personal responsibility and free enterprise and limited government.
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Uh, we've got one more sound we want to throw to here a president Trump speaking to the house
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You got to win the midterms because if we don't win the midterms, it's just going to
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be, I mean, they'll find a reason to impeach me.
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We should have impeached Joe Biden for a hundred different things.
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So here are some things I want to leave you with, uh, first and foremost, I think it's
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important to mention, don't have such a short memory.
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Uh, I'm not telling you, hear me when I say, I'm not telling you to not forgive others, uh,
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or to, to never give people the benefit of the doubt, but I am telling you to not forget.
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Don't forget the people who celebrated when Charlie Kirk was killed in front of thousands
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of college age kids and where it will live on the internet forever.
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Don't forget the feeling that you had when you learned that he had been shot.
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Uh, and then to learn that that shot was fatal.
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Don't forget the same people who had that ridiculous candlelight vigil for the fifth anniversary
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They didn't have a single word to say about Lake and Riley.
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So you remember why we fight and the importance of your vote.
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Uh, second thing I want to leave you with, hear me when I say the internet is not real
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Once I started speaking out, uh, the onslaught of hatred and death threats and doxing, uh,
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that I got that my family members got, uh, it's not representative of real life at all.
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I can't even tell you how many times I go out in public and people stop me and say, thank
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Uh, I've even had, you know, like grown men who will approach me in tears and say, you
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That's much more representative of real people.
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So don't be afraid to speak the truth, to share your opinions, uh, to be unapologetically
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conservative and unapologetic Trump supporter, uh, an unapologetic Christian.
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And if you get pushback, take it on the chin, let it go in one ear out the other, let it fly
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off of your back, like water off a duck's back.
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Um, it's not real life and understand that no one is happier than Democrats, uh, that
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our focus has seemingly shifted from them to now us.
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The infighting kind of begs the question, what difference does your policy preference
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Uh, if one side can shoot you just for advocating for them, uh, while at the same time they suffer
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no consequences at the ballot box, uh, it is due time that changes, uh, we need our leaders
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throughout the conservative side to lead the way that Charlie did.
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Uh, and as for the rest of us get involved, uh, that means putting your head down.
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It means making the case to, uh, our diverse coalition to meet the moment again.
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Uh, and there's certainly no shortage of options to do so.
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Um, I don't know about you guys, uh, but I would much rather keep the AOCs of the world
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rage tweeting at us, uh, in defeat than climbing back to power over us.
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The moment that we're in our movement, uh, I think we face two simple choices.
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It's to keep in fighting and lose or unite and win, uh, the outcome of next year and beyond
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So I appreciate you guys for tuning into this episode of the Riley Gaines show, and we'll