Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - The Global Impact of Gender Ideology

00:00:00.000 hello everybody welcome back to the gains for girls podcast thank you guys for tuning in

00:00:12.480 uh be sure to check us out anywhere where you get your podcasts apple spotify uh be sure to

00:00:18.360 check us out at outkick.com fox nation is now running my show other shows on outkick and so

00:00:23.900 you can check that out at fox nation.com uh super duper excited for today's guest her name is sal 0.90

00:00:31.920 grover she is not an australian entrepreneur but i think most notably she is the founder of a social

00:00:39.720 networking app giggle which was designed specifically for women she will tell us what giggle is what the

00:00:47.400 platform is about but if we're talking about a female only space in this case an app and we're

00:00:54.700 on this podcast then you can probably assume that the gender ideology cultists have tried to eliminate

00:01:01.920 this protection and so now sal grover is involved in a landmark lawsuit and has become a vocal advocate

00:01:08.900 for women's rights women's rights to privacy to safety uh to equal opportunity and so this has

00:01:15.200 now made her a controversial figure in discussions around the harm of the gender ideology movement 0.98

00:01:22.640 which you and i know is really just a badge of honor that she would or at least should wear proudly which

00:01:28.500 i know that she does and so check out this interview with sal grover well sal thank you for joining the

00:01:35.480 gains for girls podcast uh we were talking before this i feel like i have known you i feel like i mean for a

00:01:42.220 long time since really i got thrusted into this space you have been a voice that i have admired

00:01:47.760 um i have looked to really on how to use clear language um and so i just respect you a whole lot

00:01:55.480 and so first before anything uh would you tell us a little bit about what giggle is and what inspired you

00:02:03.320 to create it okay so also massive fan so fan going over here too um so basically um

00:02:12.040 i created a an app a social networking app exclusively for women my it was actually my mom's idea and it

00:02:19.460 was sort of inspired by basically my previous life i've been a screenwriter in hollywood i moved to la

00:02:25.620 from australia when i was 24 knew no one was just like i'm gonna go and write movies um got into the

00:02:32.320 industry relatively quickly and easily and then it just turned to hell i mean this is pre me too i mean

00:02:39.080 it's not better now but this was definitely pre me too hollywoods this is like 20 2009 sort of

00:02:44.480 officially in the industry by 2010 just hell it was just you know sexual assault sexual harassment and

00:02:51.980 it was it was constant and no one cared and i hung on for as long as i could um because i just i refused

00:03:00.000 to give up i was just like no this is what i want to do and i can cope with this i can i can get beyond

00:03:04.820 this and then just one day i was like i woke up and i was looking at my ceiling and i was like i

00:03:08.780 can't i am in an absolute depression moved to new york for a bit to try and keep the dream alive

00:03:14.320 and in the end i came back to australia and i went into therapy just to sort of i just had to recover

00:03:19.300 i was just such a shell of a person when i was in therapy just sort of getting the tools to be able

00:03:24.880 to deal with it all and move on um it was my therapist that said you need a strong female 1.00

00:03:31.160 support network in your life and it was this complete light bulb moment i was like she's

00:03:35.760 completely and utterly right and so when i then went and told my my mom and i would just be talking

00:03:40.920 about it because my mom was really sad about stuff that had happened to me too she said why don't we

00:03:45.420 create an app for women it was so it started with the idea of just doing a roommate app so that women

00:03:50.420 could just sort of connect to find roommates you know there's lots of sexual harassment just online 0.98

00:03:54.840 stupid shit on roommate apps and things like that and so we were like oh that's cool and then we 0.99

00:03:59.640 sort of scaled it and went like oh we can have this and this and lesbian dating and you know just 1.00

00:04:04.060 general emotional support like a woman only twitter type feed and like just we tried to think of

00:04:09.820 anything there was like so many apps in one so we were developing it and getting it built and you

00:04:15.340 know creating a startup in 2019 and it was on the app store on google play at the beginning of 2020 and

00:04:20.860 we woke up on the morning of february 7 2020 to thousands thousands of one-star reviews calling us

00:04:28.860 transphobic um bigots um men had gotten onto the app they were just writing um things like you know

00:04:35.720 kill turfs i didn't know what a turf was and so it was just literally going what is going on and then 0.77

00:04:41.480 just started researching it and went oh okay so not only are men claiming to be women but some powerful

00:04:48.700 people are actually taking them seriously and so like literally the cancelled right out of the gate i thought 0.85

00:04:56.180 that it would be i thought that because this was so stupid i was like if we just speak up and just 0.84

00:05:01.860 defend ourselves like this will blow over it will be i literally said that i was like this will be it'll 0.97

00:05:08.100 be a few months and then it'll all be gone i didn't yet know that women had actually been fighting this 1.00

00:05:12.460 for a lot longer than 2020 and um so four and a half cut to four and a half years later i'm still fighting

00:05:20.020 it and basically was taken to federal court by a man who claims to be a woman and um for gender

00:05:25.780 identity discrimination because i won't accept him as a woman and a week ago we got the verdict and

00:05:31.300 i lost this round an australian judge has said that men can be women so that's where we are that's my

00:05:37.180 entire life right now in a nutshell that um i love how you say i lost this round uh because that implies

00:05:44.020 that you of course are not done fighting which um if anyone follows you on x or any social media

00:05:52.240 account uh they would know that based off of your tweets based off of how you portray yourself

00:05:57.060 um i mean how strong of an advocate you are for women uh but really for for truth uh for

00:06:04.940 reasonability for rationality for sanity and so we thank you uh you mentioned this case uh this case

00:06:12.300 the giggle versus tickle which sounds funny i mean it looks funny when you read it but it sounds even

00:06:18.160 funnier i don't think i've ever said it out loud actually it sounds even funnier when you say it out 0.99

00:06:22.440 loud it sounds like a puppet show it sounds like it sounds as stupid as this whole thing actually is 0.96

00:06:27.820 it's tickle v giggle because he was taking me to court but when we appeal it will actually become 0.97

00:06:33.520 giggle v tickle so it's um that's where we're going yeah basically um a man who goes by the name

00:06:39.960 roxy tickle who's a man in his 50s yeah i mean he i basically nothing personal against him like i

00:06:47.760 just would have seen like we had onboarding like to get to make sure it was woman only it was basically 1.00

00:06:52.820 you took a selfie when you were onboarding ai would say male or female human eyes checked it behind the

00:06:58.000 scenes to make sure everything was working it did occasionally a man would get on because

00:07:02.080 technology is not perfect and we only had it set to 94 accuracy um because in our testing that was the

00:07:07.260 best way to do it um he got on i would have at some point seen his selfie just i don't even remember

00:07:13.640 it because it wasn't like a it was not a standout thing like it was a normal regular day at the office

00:07:18.140 it was like oh man block and yeah then i got an australian human rights commission complaint for

00:07:24.140 gender identity discrimination and to settle it in the australian human rights commission

00:07:27.860 basically i would have had to agree to let him on the app let all men who claim to be women on the app

00:07:33.380 go to sex and gender education which could only be re-education and also moderate the content so

00:07:39.280 that men who claim to be women weren't offended by what the women were saying so basically that the

00:07:43.940 women would be saying men aren't women um because they did have lots of conversations about that and

00:07:48.220 i was like absolutely no way like this completely negates the entire reason for it like i may as well

00:07:53.720 just close it down there's no point and so i said no to basically conciliation in the ahrc stage and

00:08:02.260 yeah that's why it escalated to the virtual court and so you mentioned the ruling uh basically the

00:08:07.700 federal court said that he's allowed on the app i mean really what they've said is that women don't

00:08:13.500 exist that that's what i took from the ruling oh no completely so the app has actually been offline

00:08:18.700 for the past two years in part because of this case we had we he'd filed and then he withdrew and

00:08:25.700 so in this sort of window where he'd withdrawn and so we were sort of taking that as a win we were

00:08:29.140 like we have to update lots of things we had to do a new build and you know we're not we're not

00:08:33.900 twitter we don't have elon money so we can't do like huge big builds in the background while the

00:08:38.880 app was still going for what we actually had to do at that point and so we were like we'll take it

00:08:43.280 offline do all the new things and put it back out there in like three three and a half months

00:08:48.580 and in that time he refiled so we had to sort of keep it back and keep it offline to protect it

00:08:54.360 basically um so there isn't even an app for him to go on i mean i can't even use it i am i too am

00:09:00.080 excluded from this woman only app right now um but yeah the judgment was um it's an it's a it's an

00:09:07.700 active woke activist judgment i mean it's what it is um a lot of our arguments which are correct

00:09:14.880 were dismissed instead of ignored and you know where it was the what is a woman case because it was the

00:09:22.280 first case in the world essentially that so directly took like biological sex and gender identity

00:09:29.840 the conflict that is there because of gender identity and addressed it head on and what the judge

00:09:35.800 found was that in australia not only does gender identity have more weight than than biological sex

00:09:44.720 in the sex discrimination act so in our legislation that he actually basically found that biological sex

00:09:50.280 does not exist at all in legislation anymore it is only this concept of legal sex and legal sex is

00:09:55.780 gender identity because in australia what's happening is we don't have like in the uk like gender

00:10:01.640 recognition certificates or anything like that where they sort of is this sort of separation of church

00:10:05.880 and state these guys are actually changing the sex markers on their birth certificates so they become

00:10:12.580 legally female despite being biologically male and the tickle v giggle judgment has shown that for the

00:10:22.000 time being legal sex is you know it's the it's what it's what they're looking at it's it's all they

00:10:28.180 care about and so this is not obviously workable in law or society in any way like it has to be

00:10:33.040 changed the law is wrong but yeah so you don't you don't give up when you get a bad judgment that you

00:10:38.280 appeal when you know you're right you appeal okay i know i'm right this guy's not a woman so right 0.76

00:10:44.860 off we go yeah so we have to yeah it'll be like you know it's going to be another however long

00:10:51.440 very much at least a year and gosh yeah and you you've mentioned four i mean four and a half years

00:10:59.640 you've been immersed in this fight which i mean that's not only is that a time investment it's emotional

00:11:07.500 investment i'm sure there are finances um that come with it and so i'm sure it's just drained you

00:11:13.940 and your family the people around you the people who support you i'm sure it's been draining on you

00:11:18.980 guys yeah i'm very lucky because my mom and dad are in this fight with me because obviously my mom and i

00:11:25.200 started giggle together like it's ours it was very much you know my mom you know wanting something of

00:11:30.600 her own like her own like thing to have you know this stage of her life like it was something we do

00:11:36.280 together and so we just made the decision that we weren't going to give up one because i really

00:11:42.740 want there to be a woman only app i think that's really important this is what i want to do with my

00:11:46.260 life so there was that sort of personal slash professional thing then there's also i'm a woman

00:11:51.380 my mom's a woman i now have a daughter it's like no this actually does impact our lives in other ways

00:11:57.340 like you can't once you know what's going on and if you're given an opportunity to fix it you can't

00:12:02.140 just sit back like you have to do it so it was just yeah it was just like of course we'll just

00:12:08.940 go forth and do it and yeah it's sacrifice it's horrible some days are harder than others

00:12:13.140 um but i mean i have spent the last the last 18 months mentally and emotionally preparing for a

00:12:22.160 loss at this stage because i never wanted it to happen that we lost this round and i was just

00:12:27.880 devastated by it i wanted to be like okay that i'd like rationalized it all through thought it

00:12:33.900 all through and was like okay i can keep going because otherwise if i'd really put all my heart

00:12:39.220 and soul in just into expecting to win in this round i think right now i'd probably be on the floor

00:12:45.740 of course and you mentioned having almost i mean what seems like activist judges which we over here in

00:12:53.700 the u.s uh are very familiar with as well whether it's in the courts i mean our media seems like

00:12:59.500 activists half the time our academic institutions are controlled by activists so it seems and so

00:13:06.280 we're very familiar i don't think a lot of people will have understood or realize that this is really

00:13:12.500 global um i think sometimes in the u.s we get caught up we look at the issues happening here

00:13:18.240 but this is happening across the world as made very evident by you and your lawsuit what you're facing

00:13:25.880 yeah i mean it's happening in the countries that are completely captured by gender ideology 0.93

00:13:31.940 are countries like you know obviously the u.s the uk is sort of coming out the other side of it now

00:13:36.620 they they are definitely are beating the pope but there's still there's still problems but

00:13:40.380 they're in a much better position um canada is just um new zealand is insane but then so

00:13:46.520 is japan south korea india just these countries it's it's insane that this has spread how it

00:13:56.420 has and i just i think one of the reasons why it has is because i think there are a lot of really

00:14:03.900 powerful men who still run the world who want men to be able to do whatever they want they don't

00:14:09.380 think these men are women they just think men should be able to do whatever they want well if you've

00:14:13.720 seen a picture of mr tickle um you have to be clinically insane to look at him and actually

00:14:19.940 believe that he's a woman whether it's him or whether it's um this male who is just running in

00:14:26.020 the paralympics i mean you have to be insane to look at these people they to your point they know

00:14:32.380 that these men are not women oh yeah no i don't think for one second anybody actually believes this

00:14:37.500 um i think in law like how law works in the sense of like if you know you're a lawyer that's arguing

00:14:44.300 that he is a woman or something it doesn't necessarily they believe that he is it's just

00:14:48.260 lawyers seeing if they can argue the law in their favor like that's just how it is it's like you know

00:14:52.740 even rapists get legal representation it doesn't mean the lawyer agrees with like the rapist murderer

00:14:58.380 or something like that they're just arguing the law not to compare this person who to that not saying

00:15:06.480 that but you know what i mean it's just and you know it's just lawyers don't necessarily agree

00:15:11.460 with the premise of the case of what they're doing it's just they're doing their job

00:15:16.700 and yeah i mean i i think if anyone saps just with a lie detector and said do you think that these men

00:15:23.540 are women like they would fail instantly it was part of the case actually that was so frustrating they 0.99

00:15:29.300 always the australian human rights commission always insisted that basically you know tickle had been

00:15:34.940 removed from the app because he didn't look sufficiently cisgender and be like no he's just

00:15:42.780 not female like i mean it's just a fact way to say that totally they would always just sort of they 1.00

00:15:50.720 would always say that the app was just for cisgender women and it's like no it's just for females like a 0.98

00:15:56.960 female who called herself a man or non-binary or cat gender or any of these other nonsense she was 0.92

00:16:02.820 allowed on there like we're not policing people's thoughts and woman could a woman could go on the 1.00

00:16:08.160 app who thinks men are women like and so long as she's just not like harassing people and just you

00:16:12.800 know following normal social media like etiquette it's totally fine like it wasn't there wasn't any

00:16:18.380 thought police or anything like that it was just the only prerequisite to use the platform was to be

00:16:23.820 female and i mean i had no idea there was a concept of legal sex because for 99.9 percent of the human 1.00

00:16:32.080 population your legal sex is just your biological sex like even the concept that it could be something

00:16:38.200 different has been introduced because of gender ideology like the whole all everything worked the 1.00

00:16:44.280 law worked before this gender ideology being put into law completely changes everything and so that's why 1.00

00:16:50.980 it's so important for people in other countries to be aware of cases like tickle v giggle because

00:16:55.120 this is this is the warning of if you let gender ideology get anywhere close to your legislation this is

00:17:02.920 what will happen it doesn't work in law at all and it's just expensive and time consuming to undo the

00:17:09.520 mess of course especially where privacy or safety or equal opportunity are threatened it is necessary

00:17:18.220 that we define sex you mentioned spreading awareness and making sure people know about this and so

00:17:24.120 have you faced any sort of problems with with censorship uh whether it's the media in australia or or

00:17:31.980 really across the board has censorship affected you the app in your case yeah completely so before we

00:17:40.600 launched when we were just getting ready like in end of 2019 like our launch plan um ready there was just

00:17:47.360 media in australia that we were in contact with and this is like mainstream legacy type media and they

00:17:52.660 were all like oh this is such a brilliant idea this is fantastic like anything we can do to help we'll

00:17:57.380 have you on yay and just you know we'll promote giggle and then literally from the day on february 7 0.95

00:18:06.260 2020 i was called transphobic like they've never contacted me again like i would i would just send email

00:18:11.800 after email and never they've never responded again so it's just that one accusation from some deranged

00:18:16.920 trolls online is all it took well just basically just men invading the app but making it seem like

00:18:23.240 i was the bad one was all it took for everyone to go oh yeah she is that's what has flawed me since day

00:18:30.380 one but then when it sort of came to the tickle v giggle case it was mind-blowing so it's gotten good

00:18:38.520 coverage like the verdict um and it's sort of got legs it's still going which is good making people aware

00:18:43.880 of it but i was crowdfunding to pay for this because it was half a million dollars to pay for

00:18:49.700 federal court going forward we need to raise about eight hundred thousand dollars so we're in the

00:18:54.400 starting phases of that now um and you know obviously to be able to get support from people

00:19:00.800 and be like look you know not only fighting for my own here i'm fighting for everybody like this case

00:19:05.880 affects us all and to get that support obviously i need attention like and i in the end had to get

00:19:13.800 on a plane and go to the uk because literally no one in australia would speak to me no one and i was

00:19:21.420 just i the beginning of this year i was going feeling like i was going insane i was like this is like the

00:19:27.800 biggest you know women's rights court case in modern history in australia and no one will speak to me

00:19:35.380 about it and even now they still do when they do report on it they they call it a transgender rights

00:19:43.020 case but it's not it's not a transgender rights case because females who call themselves trans will 0.99

00:19:50.940 welcome on so it's not about trans rights it's about it's sex-based this is about women's rights

00:19:56.400 because women's rights are sex-based this is about men wanting to invade female spaces it's as simple as 0.95

00:20:01.740 that yeah no you're right and it's it's honestly it's more than just the gender ideology movement

00:20:09.740 and the inability to define this word or other sex-based terms woman whether it be the word

00:20:15.960 woman or whether it be sex as a whole and so we've seen what's gone on in the middle east recently

00:20:25.400 where you have islamic countries like afghanistan where the taliban are putting laws in place that 0.99

00:20:32.000 that ban women from even speaking publicly women aren't allowed to to speak and so i've got to get

00:20:39.080 your thoughts on on this and again how it shows what you are fighting your case it's broader than

00:20:47.800 the gender ideology movement every single human being on this planet knows what a woman is 0.99

00:20:52.540 everyone does it cannot be that the only people in the world who actually actually are allowed to

00:20:59.260 accurately acknowledge what a woman is are the predators of women but that's the situation we're 1.00

00:21:04.900 heading into so in afghanistan they are they are actually like recognizing who the women are they

00:21:14.020 know very clearly and then they are using that to destroy women's i mean they just there's no women's 0.98

00:21:19.180 rights it's not even in it's not even in the vocabulary in afghanistan at the moment i mean

00:21:24.120 women are like beyond second-class citizens it's done they like property at this point dogs have more 1.00

00:21:31.900 rights in afghanistan because at least dogs can bark without being reprimanded or jailed or stoned 0.91

00:21:38.700 and i'm i'm sure many instances women can't go to the gym they can't get an education past i think 1.00

00:21:45.240 sixth grade uh they're not allowed to see male doctors but again if you can't get an education past

00:21:51.220 sixth grade there aren't female doctors um so women just don't get to go to the doctor they're not 1.00

00:21:57.040 allowed to sing they're not allowed to even look at men it's beyond even second-class citizens they're 0.99

00:22:03.360 not allowed to live like they're they're afforded a life in terms of they can breathe if they follow 0.96

00:22:08.360 the rules but they're not living in any measurable way that we would say is something that every human

00:22:16.400 being should be afforded like this is a obviously a complete human rights violation and it's just

00:22:20.880 you do you want to scream you want to scream for them you want to scream because

00:22:24.840 you know how how do you stop this i there was someone who did a great tweet i don't remember who it

00:22:30.760 was but they just said basically open immigration borders to afghani women and children they can leave

00:22:37.000 they are welcome no men let the taliban die out in a generation like yeah but this is like this all 1.00

00:22:43.560 comes up comes back to the reality of sex and the actual role that it plays both negatively and

00:22:48.980 positively in our lives so in the west we're having a situation where no one knows what a woman is and

00:22:55.920 it's destroying our our rights in places like afghanistan everyone knows what a woman is and it's 1.00

00:23:00.860 destroying women's rights all that actually goes to prove is how just delicate women's rights are 1.00

00:23:09.820 globally that if we take our eye off the ball even for a second they'll take everything away from us

00:23:16.700 like do i think that do i think that there are some bad bad people out there who look to places like

00:23:23.720 afghanistan what's happening now and are watching it as a as like an instruction manual if given the

00:23:29.100 opportunity they would stop us from speaking in public of course some something that's the dream

00:23:34.320 like some people really hate women and it's so frustrating because when even when we start to

00:23:40.340 just comment on all of this stuff i've even just had it this morning people come back with also do you

00:23:45.100 hate men no no i don't hate men there are male only apps before giggle i mean i can't tell you an app

00:23:51.940 that was female only um i mean you have grinders you have other apps like that the lesbian dating app

00:23:59.080 her technically started as being female only because it did start as being for lesbians but then they 1.00

00:24:04.520 broadened their demographic to basically be lgbtqi because like it became like a queer app so therefore

00:24:12.120 then sex becomes irrelevant um grinder also started as an app exclusively for gay men and that was actually

00:24:18.380 kind of weirdly that was sort of like the model that we were looking at in the sense of like

00:24:22.820 you know when it's for a specific demographic they are called niche social networking apps and so we

00:24:28.400 were we were going like you know like so you've got grindy here this is like literally a sex-based app

00:24:33.260 in the sense that it was just for males with something like grinder for the first like 10 years of its

00:24:38.940 existence it didn't actually need any gay people like women just stayed away from it it's the difference 0.71

00:24:44.620 between things for male and women and the different protections that are necessary like male only things

00:24:50.380 a lot of women will just self-exclude from we don't want to go in even how that plays out in the real 1.00

00:24:54.640 world like you can have a male only gym quite easily it just has to be quite industrial loud music huge

00:25:00.900 men in there like punching or lifting really heavy weights and a woman just won't go in but the moment 1.00

00:25:05.360 you create like a woman only gym it's like an invitation to a certain type of man to want to go into it 0.98

00:25:10.720 whether he's claiming to be a woman or he's just a predator in general and so that's why women only

00:25:15.180 things actually do need protections in law whereas a lot of male only things can just exist

00:25:19.860 like i know i i know that there's so many men that will be screaming here going like women took away

00:25:27.140 male only spaces no we made boardrooms in the government unisex and that was necessary because

00:25:32.820 they reflect society but if you want male only spaces for recreation i will support you i will help you

00:25:39.140 do it like stay in them for all i care it's that how they play out in society and law the difference

00:25:46.220 between male and female spaces um is proof of the difference between male and females basically well

00:25:52.140 you don't see women trying to enter into men's prisons you don't see women trying to enter into 0.98

00:25:56.900 men's sports or men's bathrooms or fraternities but of course the contrary it's it's a daily occurrence

00:26:04.540 and so i think that's a good point like when i first got involved in this i found out what was

00:26:09.720 going on four and a half years ago it was like a it's like a bi-monthly occurrence like there'd be

00:26:15.360 at least a story every like two weeks or something it is daily now that we are getting these stories of

00:26:22.480 men in women's sports men in women's change rooms bathrooms just sororities just destroying 0.99

00:26:28.920 everything but it's the thing with gender ideology it's so incompatible with like

00:26:34.540 secular normal society and like a liberal society in the sense that you know of the even of the live

00:26:41.620 and let live because it takes away everything and it's why i always say like obviously i got into this

00:26:46.600 for women's rights and and female in the spaces it's how i was brought into it but this affects 0.99

00:26:52.100 everybody this is freedom of belief freedom of speech freedom of association and that's

00:26:56.160 literally everybody is affected by it because once you are forced to believe that that man is a woman

00:27:02.080 the state can force you to believe anything

00:27:04.540 of course it's so dangerous well and i think it speaks to the differences especially in the realm

00:27:12.440 of sports the difference the physical differences between men and women are obvious and again anyone

00:27:17.640 with eyeballs or or a heart for that matter um would be able to see the differences but it speaks to

00:27:24.580 to the characteristics that differ on average between men and women of course men are more dominant

00:27:33.040 they're more assertive they're more aggressive women they tend to be more emotionally driven more 1.00

00:27:39.860 apologetic um which i think it shows you know you don't see many women demanding the verbiage by which

00:27:48.160 uh men call them again the difference yes i mean it's just there are some young women who are sort of

00:27:56.160 going after gay men but it's a fight they're going to lose very quickly and they're definitely not as loud 0.99

00:28:00.200 like there is a reason that gender ideology didn't lead with trans men and men

00:28:03.860 no one would have like just would have been dismissed in a day um yeah it's it's tactical

00:28:10.280 to say trans women are women and that's really the only slogan that they they use frequently because

00:28:15.540 it's the only one that has any power because at the end of the day a lot of men and far too many 0.58

00:28:21.280 women don't care about women's rights of course it's yeah it's it's disgusting but yeah i feel 1.00

00:28:31.540 there's been a big change what's the direction that you see women-centric platforms and spaces going i 0.95

00:28:40.380 mean do you feel like like we're on the horizon of this or do you feel as if it's going to get worse

00:28:46.020 before it gets better it's getting better in australia it's just it's in australia it's just

00:28:51.700 gotten worse before it gets better but as my dad when i was i remember when i was like a teenager

00:28:55.420 and i'd be like hysterical about something he'd always be always say to me you have to take sometimes

00:29:00.220 you have to take one step back to take two steps forward and that's definitely how i'm feeling right

00:29:03.960 now so i don't think that the evolution of female only spaces is that they would eventually just 0.99

00:29:09.480 include men it's just right um i think female only spaces i mean because they've become front page

00:29:16.280 news more than they were in 2018 when mom and i got the idea we just thought women only app this is like

00:29:21.420 cute and fun and chris wanted to make an app now you know sort of we're fighting these massive fights

00:29:27.580 for them and i think i think they have become more important both in the real world and in the digital

00:29:34.200 world we spend so much of our time online and even already in the infancy of like virtual reality

00:29:41.300 in these like meta type worlds and all of that like there have been like stories out there of like

00:29:47.480 women's avatars being raped by men and you're going like what like even in the digital world 0.80

00:29:53.980 our cartoons aren't safe and so i like i go well okay so even in a virtual reality universe we'd need

00:30:03.020 female only spaces to protect women like we can't even we can't even solve the problem 1.00

00:30:07.500 there like it's just it seems to be this absolutely disgusting just fault in in some human nature to go

00:30:18.160 after women this way you know we have to we have to work in a sense with what we've got or what we've

00:30:24.480 already worked out to be the best way to deal with these things like but it's 2024 we're not fighting

00:30:30.640 for female only spaces and female only sport on a whim or for something to do it's because through 0.98

00:30:36.180 like millennia of human civilization we've realized that this is actually the best way to do some

00:30:43.300 things like women do need female only refuges for safety men don't need them for safety for privacy 1.00

00:30:50.220 and dignity yes and for recreation that's fine but that safety thing that's a huge point that that

00:30:56.560 definitely can't uh be ignored but i also say to women we shouldn't have to bring up the worst things

00:31:02.800 that have ever happened to us at the hands of men to justify them to justify the want of female

00:31:07.780 only spaces we want them even if you just want a woman only book club okay like one of the things

00:31:13.460 like in a female only app one of the things that was so great to see was women um sharing their

00:31:19.580 opinions on different things whether it was politics religion like astrology just the general news like

00:31:25.340 current affairs just they were shared they shared opinions in a different way to what you do in like

00:31:32.540 a unisex environment there's no and the responses are different like the tone everything is really

00:31:37.860 really different i think it's really really healthy to have a refuge like that to be able to go to

00:31:42.520 and then and then yeah we all coexist in this colorful world together and you know you just sort of

00:31:47.960 get on with it but it's nice to have places to go and sort of rebuild yourself have a refuge have a

00:31:52.560 break from it all and yeah as i say men can do it too of course you mentioned you're not done

00:31:58.920 fighting um and kind of next steps for you what does that look like how can we support you um whether

00:32:05.900 that's you personally or again your case where can we follow you so the next stage um is the appeal

00:32:15.080 so how it will work we is we will go to the full bench of the federal court first and that will

00:32:22.080 happen sometime next year we won't know the date yet until they assign it to us we could win that

00:32:26.680 the reason i always say it will go to the high court is that i've been told by by everybody that's

00:32:34.300 involved in this that this case i've always been told this case would end up in the high court which

00:32:37.880 is obviously the highest court in australia so the important of the supreme court yeah but in australia

00:32:43.020 the yeah it's a the high court in australia is an error in law court and it's where you

00:32:47.520 um challenge you know through the constitution and legislation so because the issue that we're

00:32:52.980 dealing with is bad legislation it that's why it has a it has very much the potential to end up in

00:32:59.940 the high court either side's going to take it there neither of us are going to sit down like like when

00:33:05.140 you're dealing with men who claim to be women it's not like they're going to have a judgment that

00:33:09.260 doesn't go in their favor and they'll be like oh okay well guess we're not women like they're 1.00

00:33:13.600 fighting tooth and nail as well as us so um yeah so the next stage is full court of federal

00:33:20.080 sorry full bench of the federal court we you know i mean if we win that round like it would be great

00:33:26.860 if that was sort of the end of it and we set the precedent then that sex has more weight in what law

00:33:31.880 than but than gender identity that sex is biological and that female only spaces in sport can exist so 0.93

00:33:37.760 basically women can say no that's what we're fighting for women to be able to say no um but 1.00

00:33:42.960 otherwise we are we go on to the high court so it's going to be anywhere between 500 and 800 000

00:33:49.880 to fight this we've just bought on oh yeah it's just it's crazy having to raise in like raise an

00:33:58.200 amount in a year that's more than most people earn in a year like it is a full-time job that i don't get

00:34:02.760 paid for like it it took all of last year for me to raise five hundred thousand dollars and i'm just

00:34:06.620 i'm so grateful to the people who have you know donated money and just support or if they can't

00:34:12.920 donate money they spread the word because all i what i all i can say sort of in repaying them is

00:34:19.860 i'm not going to give up like i'm going to see this through to the very end and part of the process of

00:34:26.200 is it is getting the word out there of making people realize because then what happens is once

00:34:33.280 you have like the power of the people basically once it's people pushing back and going absolutely

00:34:38.860 no way we do not want this then you have basically the political capital to get politicians to go okay

00:34:46.000 this is a serious issue which has happened to an extent in america it's very much happened in the

00:34:50.620 uk they made it a political issue which is that's why you've got to be in the courts you've got to be in

00:34:55.860 in sort of the government rooms to make these changes happen because we have to repeal laws here

00:35:01.540 so yeah so gigglecrowdfund.com is where there's more information about this

00:35:05.820 i'm not an expert i'm not an expert in law but i'm always trying my best to explain it but there is

00:35:11.580 stuff written on the website that is all about that's written by people who know the law and how

00:35:17.240 to explain it a lot better than i do well i implore everyone to go to giggle crowdfund check out the

00:35:24.000 the more legal mumbo jumbo um but support financially if you can because as sal so eloquently

00:35:33.000 explained yes this is big for for australia but this is setting the press it's a it's it's a landmark

00:35:39.800 lawsuit this is setting the precedent for the rest of the world we are following we are watching um sal

00:35:47.240 her case what's going on there and we are cheering you on and everyone should follow her on x

00:35:52.740 um she is one of the most unapologetic people which is rare especially on this topic um there are so

00:36:00.360 many of your tweets actually every one of your tweets um every single one of your replies like

00:36:05.480 it's just amazing how truthful um how matter of fact how profound you are without actually saying

00:36:14.500 anything that's overly profound you know what i mean i'm just saying men and not women like that's my

00:36:19.440 first principle here and i'm just like from there you can't like it's just the most truthful

00:36:26.680 statement and so literally no one has a credible argument against what i'm saying so it's my job is 0.83

00:36:32.640 very easy in that respect but yeah it's just stupid laws make it a little bit harder in the real world

00:36:37.700 but we'll get there i have no doubt we're going to win eventually so yeah well me too and that's because

00:36:41.940 of people like you fighting so thank you i appreciate you coming on it is uh early in the

00:36:47.320 morning in australia time and so we appreciate you a whole lot thank you thank you guys for tuning in

00:36:54.320 again check out giggle crowdfund it is so important to support the people who are doing the on the ground

00:37:01.660 work if you can support financially again she said this will cost upwards of of half a million if not

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Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - October 23, 2024

The Global Impact of Gender Ideology

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