The Global Impact of Gender Ideology
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In this episode, Giggle founder Sal Grover joins me to talk about the dangers of the gender ideology cult movement, and how she became a vocal advocate for women's rights, privacy, safety, and equal opportunity. Giggle is a social networking app designed specifically for women.
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hello everybody welcome back to the gains for girls podcast thank you guys for tuning in
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uh be sure to check us out anywhere where you get your podcasts apple spotify uh be sure to
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check us out at outkick.com fox nation is now running my show other shows on outkick and so
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you can check that out at fox nation.com uh super duper excited for today's guest her name is sal
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grover she is not an australian entrepreneur but i think most notably she is the founder of a social
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networking app giggle which was designed specifically for women she will tell us what giggle is what the
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platform is about but if we're talking about a female only space in this case an app and we're
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on this podcast then you can probably assume that the gender ideology cultists have tried to eliminate
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this protection and so now sal grover is involved in a landmark lawsuit and has become a vocal advocate
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for women's rights women's rights to privacy to safety uh to equal opportunity and so this has
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now made her a controversial figure in discussions around the harm of the gender ideology movement
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which you and i know is really just a badge of honor that she would or at least should wear proudly which
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i know that she does and so check out this interview with sal grover well sal thank you for joining the
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gains for girls podcast uh we were talking before this i feel like i have known you i feel like i mean for a
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long time since really i got thrusted into this space you have been a voice that i have admired
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um i have looked to really on how to use clear language um and so i just respect you a whole lot
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and so first before anything uh would you tell us a little bit about what giggle is and what inspired you
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to create it okay so also massive fan so fan going over here too um so basically um
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i created a an app a social networking app exclusively for women my it was actually my mom's idea and it
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was sort of inspired by basically my previous life i've been a screenwriter in hollywood i moved to la
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from australia when i was 24 knew no one was just like i'm gonna go and write movies um got into the
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industry relatively quickly and easily and then it just turned to hell i mean this is pre me too i mean
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it's not better now but this was definitely pre me too hollywoods this is like 20 2009 sort of
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officially in the industry by 2010 just hell it was just you know sexual assault sexual harassment and
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it was it was constant and no one cared and i hung on for as long as i could um because i just i refused
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to give up i was just like no this is what i want to do and i can cope with this i can i can get beyond
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this and then just one day i was like i woke up and i was looking at my ceiling and i was like i
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can't i am in an absolute depression moved to new york for a bit to try and keep the dream alive
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and in the end i came back to australia and i went into therapy just to sort of i just had to recover
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i was just such a shell of a person when i was in therapy just sort of getting the tools to be able
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to deal with it all and move on um it was my therapist that said you need a strong female
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support network in your life and it was this complete light bulb moment i was like she's
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completely and utterly right and so when i then went and told my my mom and i would just be talking
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about it because my mom was really sad about stuff that had happened to me too she said why don't we
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create an app for women it was so it started with the idea of just doing a roommate app so that women
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could just sort of connect to find roommates you know there's lots of sexual harassment just online
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stupid shit on roommate apps and things like that and so we were like oh that's cool and then we
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sort of scaled it and went like oh we can have this and this and lesbian dating and you know just
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general emotional support like a woman only twitter type feed and like just we tried to think of
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anything there was like so many apps in one so we were developing it and getting it built and you
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know creating a startup in 2019 and it was on the app store on google play at the beginning of 2020 and
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we woke up on the morning of february 7 2020 to thousands thousands of one-star reviews calling us
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transphobic um bigots um men had gotten onto the app they were just writing um things like you know
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kill turfs i didn't know what a turf was and so it was just literally going what is going on and then
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just started researching it and went oh okay so not only are men claiming to be women but some powerful
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people are actually taking them seriously and so like literally the cancelled right out of the gate i thought
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that it would be i thought that because this was so stupid i was like if we just speak up and just
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defend ourselves like this will blow over it will be i literally said that i was like this will be it'll
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be a few months and then it'll all be gone i didn't yet know that women had actually been fighting this
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for a lot longer than 2020 and um so four and a half cut to four and a half years later i'm still fighting
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it and basically was taken to federal court by a man who claims to be a woman and um for gender
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identity discrimination because i won't accept him as a woman and a week ago we got the verdict and
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i lost this round an australian judge has said that men can be women so that's where we are that's my
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entire life right now in a nutshell that um i love how you say i lost this round uh because that implies
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that you of course are not done fighting which um if anyone follows you on x or any social media
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account uh they would know that based off of your tweets based off of how you portray yourself
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um i mean how strong of an advocate you are for women uh but really for for truth uh for
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reasonability for rationality for sanity and so we thank you uh you mentioned this case uh this case
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the giggle versus tickle which sounds funny i mean it looks funny when you read it but it sounds even
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funnier i don't think i've ever said it out loud actually it sounds even funnier when you say it out
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loud it sounds like a puppet show it sounds like it sounds as stupid as this whole thing actually is
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it's tickle v giggle because he was taking me to court but when we appeal it will actually become
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giggle v tickle so it's um that's where we're going yeah basically um a man who goes by the name
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roxy tickle who's a man in his 50s yeah i mean he i basically nothing personal against him like i
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just would have seen like we had onboarding like to get to make sure it was woman only it was basically
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you took a selfie when you were onboarding ai would say male or female human eyes checked it behind the
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scenes to make sure everything was working it did occasionally a man would get on because
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technology is not perfect and we only had it set to 94 accuracy um because in our testing that was the
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best way to do it um he got on i would have at some point seen his selfie just i don't even remember
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it because it wasn't like a it was not a standout thing like it was a normal regular day at the office
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it was like oh man block and yeah then i got an australian human rights commission complaint for
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gender identity discrimination and to settle it in the australian human rights commission
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basically i would have had to agree to let him on the app let all men who claim to be women on the app
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go to sex and gender education which could only be re-education and also moderate the content so
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that men who claim to be women weren't offended by what the women were saying so basically that the
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women would be saying men aren't women um because they did have lots of conversations about that and
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i was like absolutely no way like this completely negates the entire reason for it like i may as well
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just close it down there's no point and so i said no to basically conciliation in the ahrc stage and
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yeah that's why it escalated to the virtual court and so you mentioned the ruling uh basically the
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federal court said that he's allowed on the app i mean really what they've said is that women don't
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exist that that's what i took from the ruling oh no completely so the app has actually been offline
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for the past two years in part because of this case we had we he'd filed and then he withdrew and
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so in this sort of window where he'd withdrawn and so we were sort of taking that as a win we were
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like we have to update lots of things we had to do a new build and you know we're not we're not
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twitter we don't have elon money so we can't do like huge big builds in the background while the
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app was still going for what we actually had to do at that point and so we were like we'll take it
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offline do all the new things and put it back out there in like three three and a half months
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and in that time he refiled so we had to sort of keep it back and keep it offline to protect it
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basically um so there isn't even an app for him to go on i mean i can't even use it i am i too am
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excluded from this woman only app right now um but yeah the judgment was um it's an it's a it's an
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active woke activist judgment i mean it's what it is um a lot of our arguments which are correct
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were dismissed instead of ignored and you know where it was the what is a woman case because it was the
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first case in the world essentially that so directly took like biological sex and gender identity
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the conflict that is there because of gender identity and addressed it head on and what the judge
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found was that in australia not only does gender identity have more weight than than biological sex
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in the sex discrimination act so in our legislation that he actually basically found that biological sex
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does not exist at all in legislation anymore it is only this concept of legal sex and legal sex is
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gender identity because in australia what's happening is we don't have like in the uk like gender
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recognition certificates or anything like that where they sort of is this sort of separation of church
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and state these guys are actually changing the sex markers on their birth certificates so they become
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legally female despite being biologically male and the tickle v giggle judgment has shown that for the
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time being legal sex is you know it's the it's what it's what they're looking at it's it's all they
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care about and so this is not obviously workable in law or society in any way like it has to be
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changed the law is wrong but yeah so you don't you don't give up when you get a bad judgment that you
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appeal when you know you're right you appeal okay i know i'm right this guy's not a woman so right
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off we go yeah so we have to yeah it'll be like you know it's going to be another however long
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very much at least a year and gosh yeah and you you've mentioned four i mean four and a half years
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you've been immersed in this fight which i mean that's not only is that a time investment it's emotional
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investment i'm sure there are finances um that come with it and so i'm sure it's just drained you
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and your family the people around you the people who support you i'm sure it's been draining on you
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guys yeah i'm very lucky because my mom and dad are in this fight with me because obviously my mom and i
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started giggle together like it's ours it was very much you know my mom you know wanting something of
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her own like her own like thing to have you know this stage of her life like it was something we do
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together and so we just made the decision that we weren't going to give up one because i really
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want there to be a woman only app i think that's really important this is what i want to do with my
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life so there was that sort of personal slash professional thing then there's also i'm a woman
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my mom's a woman i now have a daughter it's like no this actually does impact our lives in other ways
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like you can't once you know what's going on and if you're given an opportunity to fix it you can't
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just sit back like you have to do it so it was just yeah it was just like of course we'll just
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go forth and do it and yeah it's sacrifice it's horrible some days are harder than others
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um but i mean i have spent the last the last 18 months mentally and emotionally preparing for a
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loss at this stage because i never wanted it to happen that we lost this round and i was just
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devastated by it i wanted to be like okay that i'd like rationalized it all through thought it
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all through and was like okay i can keep going because otherwise if i'd really put all my heart
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and soul in just into expecting to win in this round i think right now i'd probably be on the floor
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of course and you mentioned having almost i mean what seems like activist judges which we over here in
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the u.s uh are very familiar with as well whether it's in the courts i mean our media seems like
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activists half the time our academic institutions are controlled by activists so it seems and so
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we're very familiar i don't think a lot of people will have understood or realize that this is really
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global um i think sometimes in the u.s we get caught up we look at the issues happening here
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but this is happening across the world as made very evident by you and your lawsuit what you're facing
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yeah i mean it's happening in the countries that are completely captured by gender ideology
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are countries like you know obviously the u.s the uk is sort of coming out the other side of it now
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they they are definitely are beating the pope but there's still there's still problems but
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they're in a much better position um canada is just um new zealand is insane but then so
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is japan south korea india just these countries it's it's insane that this has spread how it
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has and i just i think one of the reasons why it has is because i think there are a lot of really
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powerful men who still run the world who want men to be able to do whatever they want they don't
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think these men are women they just think men should be able to do whatever they want well if you've
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seen a picture of mr tickle um you have to be clinically insane to look at him and actually
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believe that he's a woman whether it's him or whether it's um this male who is just running in
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the paralympics i mean you have to be insane to look at these people they to your point they know
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that these men are not women oh yeah no i don't think for one second anybody actually believes this
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um i think in law like how law works in the sense of like if you know you're a lawyer that's arguing
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that he is a woman or something it doesn't necessarily they believe that he is it's just
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lawyers seeing if they can argue the law in their favor like that's just how it is it's like you know
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even rapists get legal representation it doesn't mean the lawyer agrees with like the rapist murderer
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or something like that they're just arguing the law not to compare this person who to that not saying
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that but you know what i mean it's just and you know it's just lawyers don't necessarily agree
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with the premise of the case of what they're doing it's just they're doing their job
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and yeah i mean i i think if anyone saps just with a lie detector and said do you think that these men
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are women like they would fail instantly it was part of the case actually that was so frustrating they
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always the australian human rights commission always insisted that basically you know tickle had been
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removed from the app because he didn't look sufficiently cisgender and be like no he's just
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not female like i mean it's just a fact way to say that totally they would always just sort of they
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would always say that the app was just for cisgender women and it's like no it's just for females like a
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female who called herself a man or non-binary or cat gender or any of these other nonsense she was
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allowed on there like we're not policing people's thoughts and woman could a woman could go on the
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app who thinks men are women like and so long as she's just not like harassing people and just you
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know following normal social media like etiquette it's totally fine like it wasn't there wasn't any
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thought police or anything like that it was just the only prerequisite to use the platform was to be
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female and i mean i had no idea there was a concept of legal sex because for 99.9 percent of the human
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population your legal sex is just your biological sex like even the concept that it could be something
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different has been introduced because of gender ideology like the whole all everything worked the
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law worked before this gender ideology being put into law completely changes everything and so that's why
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it's so important for people in other countries to be aware of cases like tickle v giggle because
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this is this is the warning of if you let gender ideology get anywhere close to your legislation this is
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what will happen it doesn't work in law at all and it's just expensive and time consuming to undo the
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mess of course especially where privacy or safety or equal opportunity are threatened it is necessary
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that we define sex you mentioned spreading awareness and making sure people know about this and so
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have you faced any sort of problems with with censorship uh whether it's the media in australia or or
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really across the board has censorship affected you the app in your case yeah completely so before we
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launched when we were just getting ready like in end of 2019 like our launch plan um ready there was just
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media in australia that we were in contact with and this is like mainstream legacy type media and they
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were all like oh this is such a brilliant idea this is fantastic like anything we can do to help we'll
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have you on yay and just you know we'll promote giggle and then literally from the day on february 7
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2020 i was called transphobic like they've never contacted me again like i would i would just send email
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after email and never they've never responded again so it's just that one accusation from some deranged
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trolls online is all it took well just basically just men invading the app but making it seem like
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i was the bad one was all it took for everyone to go oh yeah she is that's what has flawed me since day
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one but then when it sort of came to the tickle v giggle case it was mind-blowing so it's gotten good
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coverage like the verdict um and it's sort of got legs it's still going which is good making people aware
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of it but i was crowdfunding to pay for this because it was half a million dollars to pay for
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federal court going forward we need to raise about eight hundred thousand dollars so we're in the
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starting phases of that now um and you know obviously to be able to get support from people
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and be like look you know not only fighting for my own here i'm fighting for everybody like this case
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affects us all and to get that support obviously i need attention like and i in the end had to get
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on a plane and go to the uk because literally no one in australia would speak to me no one and i was
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just i the beginning of this year i was going feeling like i was going insane i was like this is like the
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biggest you know women's rights court case in modern history in australia and no one will speak to me
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about it and even now they still do when they do report on it they they call it a transgender rights
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case but it's not it's not a transgender rights case because females who call themselves trans will
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welcome on so it's not about trans rights it's about it's sex-based this is about women's rights
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because women's rights are sex-based this is about men wanting to invade female spaces it's as simple as
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that yeah no you're right and it's it's honestly it's more than just the gender ideology movement
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and the inability to define this word or other sex-based terms woman whether it be the word
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woman or whether it be sex as a whole and so we've seen what's gone on in the middle east recently
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where you have islamic countries like afghanistan where the taliban are putting laws in place that
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that ban women from even speaking publicly women aren't allowed to to speak and so i've got to get
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your thoughts on on this and again how it shows what you are fighting your case it's broader than
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the gender ideology movement every single human being on this planet knows what a woman is
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everyone does it cannot be that the only people in the world who actually actually are allowed to
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accurately acknowledge what a woman is are the predators of women but that's the situation we're
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heading into so in afghanistan they are they are actually like recognizing who the women are they
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know very clearly and then they are using that to destroy women's i mean they just there's no women's
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rights it's not even in it's not even in the vocabulary in afghanistan at the moment i mean
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women are like beyond second-class citizens it's done they like property at this point dogs have more
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rights in afghanistan because at least dogs can bark without being reprimanded or jailed or stoned
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and i'm i'm sure many instances women can't go to the gym they can't get an education past i think
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sixth grade uh they're not allowed to see male doctors but again if you can't get an education past
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sixth grade there aren't female doctors um so women just don't get to go to the doctor they're not
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allowed to sing they're not allowed to even look at men it's beyond even second-class citizens they're
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not allowed to live like they're they're afforded a life in terms of they can breathe if they follow
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the rules but they're not living in any measurable way that we would say is something that every human
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being should be afforded like this is a obviously a complete human rights violation and it's just
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you do you want to scream you want to scream for them you want to scream because
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you know how how do you stop this i there was someone who did a great tweet i don't remember who it
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was but they just said basically open immigration borders to afghani women and children they can leave
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they are welcome no men let the taliban die out in a generation like yeah but this is like this all
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comes up comes back to the reality of sex and the actual role that it plays both negatively and
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positively in our lives so in the west we're having a situation where no one knows what a woman is and
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it's destroying our our rights in places like afghanistan everyone knows what a woman is and it's
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destroying women's rights all that actually goes to prove is how just delicate women's rights are
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globally that if we take our eye off the ball even for a second they'll take everything away from us
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like do i think that do i think that there are some bad bad people out there who look to places like
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afghanistan what's happening now and are watching it as a as like an instruction manual if given the
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opportunity they would stop us from speaking in public of course some something that's the dream
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like some people really hate women and it's so frustrating because when even when we start to
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just comment on all of this stuff i've even just had it this morning people come back with also do you
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hate men no no i don't hate men there are male only apps before giggle i mean i can't tell you an app
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that was female only um i mean you have grinders you have other apps like that the lesbian dating app
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her technically started as being female only because it did start as being for lesbians but then they
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broadened their demographic to basically be lgbtqi because like it became like a queer app so therefore
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then sex becomes irrelevant um grinder also started as an app exclusively for gay men and that was actually
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kind of weirdly that was sort of like the model that we were looking at in the sense of like
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you know when it's for a specific demographic they are called niche social networking apps and so we
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were we were going like you know like so you've got grindy here this is like literally a sex-based app
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in the sense that it was just for males with something like grinder for the first like 10 years of its
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existence it didn't actually need any gay people like women just stayed away from it it's the difference
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between things for male and women and the different protections that are necessary like male only things
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a lot of women will just self-exclude from we don't want to go in even how that plays out in the real
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world like you can have a male only gym quite easily it just has to be quite industrial loud music huge
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men in there like punching or lifting really heavy weights and a woman just won't go in but the moment
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you create like a woman only gym it's like an invitation to a certain type of man to want to go into it
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whether he's claiming to be a woman or he's just a predator in general and so that's why women only
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things actually do need protections in law whereas a lot of male only things can just exist
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like i know i i know that there's so many men that will be screaming here going like women took away
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male only spaces no we made boardrooms in the government unisex and that was necessary because
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they reflect society but if you want male only spaces for recreation i will support you i will help you
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do it like stay in them for all i care it's that how they play out in society and law the difference
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between male and female spaces um is proof of the difference between male and females basically well
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you don't see women trying to enter into men's prisons you don't see women trying to enter into
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men's sports or men's bathrooms or fraternities but of course the contrary it's it's a daily occurrence
00:26:04.540
and so i think that's a good point like when i first got involved in this i found out what was
00:26:09.720
going on four and a half years ago it was like a it's like a bi-monthly occurrence like there'd be
00:26:15.360
at least a story every like two weeks or something it is daily now that we are getting these stories of
00:26:22.480
men in women's sports men in women's change rooms bathrooms just sororities just destroying
00:26:28.920
everything but it's the thing with gender ideology it's so incompatible with like
00:26:34.540
secular normal society and like a liberal society in the sense that you know of the even of the live
00:26:41.620
and let live because it takes away everything and it's why i always say like obviously i got into this
00:26:46.600
for women's rights and and female in the spaces it's how i was brought into it but this affects
00:26:52.100
everybody this is freedom of belief freedom of speech freedom of association and that's
00:26:56.160
literally everybody is affected by it because once you are forced to believe that that man is a woman
00:27:04.540
of course it's so dangerous well and i think it speaks to the differences especially in the realm
00:27:12.440
of sports the difference the physical differences between men and women are obvious and again anyone
00:27:17.640
with eyeballs or or a heart for that matter um would be able to see the differences but it speaks to
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to the characteristics that differ on average between men and women of course men are more dominant
00:27:33.040
they're more assertive they're more aggressive women they tend to be more emotionally driven more
00:27:39.860
apologetic um which i think it shows you know you don't see many women demanding the verbiage by which
00:27:48.160
uh men call them again the difference yes i mean it's just there are some young women who are sort of
00:27:56.160
going after gay men but it's a fight they're going to lose very quickly and they're definitely not as loud
00:28:00.200
like there is a reason that gender ideology didn't lead with trans men and men
00:28:03.860
no one would have like just would have been dismissed in a day um yeah it's it's tactical
00:28:10.280
to say trans women are women and that's really the only slogan that they they use frequently because
00:28:15.540
it's the only one that has any power because at the end of the day a lot of men and far too many
00:28:21.280
women don't care about women's rights of course it's yeah it's it's disgusting but yeah i feel
00:28:31.540
there's been a big change what's the direction that you see women-centric platforms and spaces going i
00:28:40.380
mean do you feel like like we're on the horizon of this or do you feel as if it's going to get worse
00:28:46.020
before it gets better it's getting better in australia it's just it's in australia it's just
00:28:51.700
gotten worse before it gets better but as my dad when i was i remember when i was like a teenager
00:28:55.420
and i'd be like hysterical about something he'd always be always say to me you have to take sometimes
00:29:00.220
you have to take one step back to take two steps forward and that's definitely how i'm feeling right
00:29:03.960
now so i don't think that the evolution of female only spaces is that they would eventually just
00:29:09.480
include men it's just right um i think female only spaces i mean because they've become front page
00:29:16.280
news more than they were in 2018 when mom and i got the idea we just thought women only app this is like
00:29:21.420
cute and fun and chris wanted to make an app now you know sort of we're fighting these massive fights
00:29:27.580
for them and i think i think they have become more important both in the real world and in the digital
00:29:34.200
world we spend so much of our time online and even already in the infancy of like virtual reality
00:29:41.300
in these like meta type worlds and all of that like there have been like stories out there of like
00:29:47.480
women's avatars being raped by men and you're going like what like even in the digital world
00:29:53.980
our cartoons aren't safe and so i like i go well okay so even in a virtual reality universe we'd need
00:30:03.020
female only spaces to protect women like we can't even we can't even solve the problem
00:30:07.500
there like it's just it seems to be this absolutely disgusting just fault in in some human nature to go
00:30:18.160
after women this way you know we have to we have to work in a sense with what we've got or what we've
00:30:24.480
already worked out to be the best way to deal with these things like but it's 2024 we're not fighting
00:30:30.640
for female only spaces and female only sport on a whim or for something to do it's because through
00:30:36.180
like millennia of human civilization we've realized that this is actually the best way to do some
00:30:43.300
things like women do need female only refuges for safety men don't need them for safety for privacy
00:30:50.220
and dignity yes and for recreation that's fine but that safety thing that's a huge point that that
00:30:56.560
definitely can't uh be ignored but i also say to women we shouldn't have to bring up the worst things
00:31:02.800
that have ever happened to us at the hands of men to justify them to justify the want of female
00:31:07.780
only spaces we want them even if you just want a woman only book club okay like one of the things
00:31:13.460
like in a female only app one of the things that was so great to see was women um sharing their
00:31:19.580
opinions on different things whether it was politics religion like astrology just the general news like
00:31:25.340
current affairs just they were shared they shared opinions in a different way to what you do in like
00:31:32.540
a unisex environment there's no and the responses are different like the tone everything is really
00:31:37.860
really different i think it's really really healthy to have a refuge like that to be able to go to
00:31:42.520
and then and then yeah we all coexist in this colorful world together and you know you just sort of
00:31:47.960
get on with it but it's nice to have places to go and sort of rebuild yourself have a refuge have a
00:31:52.560
break from it all and yeah as i say men can do it too of course you mentioned you're not done
00:31:58.920
fighting um and kind of next steps for you what does that look like how can we support you um whether
00:32:05.900
that's you personally or again your case where can we follow you so the next stage um is the appeal
00:32:15.080
so how it will work we is we will go to the full bench of the federal court first and that will
00:32:22.080
happen sometime next year we won't know the date yet until they assign it to us we could win that
00:32:26.680
the reason i always say it will go to the high court is that i've been told by by everybody that's
00:32:34.300
involved in this that this case i've always been told this case would end up in the high court which
00:32:37.880
is obviously the highest court in australia so the important of the supreme court yeah but in australia
00:32:43.020
the yeah it's a the high court in australia is an error in law court and it's where you
00:32:47.520
um challenge you know through the constitution and legislation so because the issue that we're
00:32:52.980
dealing with is bad legislation it that's why it has a it has very much the potential to end up in
00:32:59.940
the high court either side's going to take it there neither of us are going to sit down like like when
00:33:05.140
you're dealing with men who claim to be women it's not like they're going to have a judgment that
00:33:09.260
doesn't go in their favor and they'll be like oh okay well guess we're not women like they're
00:33:13.600
fighting tooth and nail as well as us so um yeah so the next stage is full court of federal
00:33:20.080
sorry full bench of the federal court we you know i mean if we win that round like it would be great
00:33:26.860
if that was sort of the end of it and we set the precedent then that sex has more weight in what law
00:33:31.880
than but than gender identity that sex is biological and that female only spaces in sport can exist so
00:33:37.760
basically women can say no that's what we're fighting for women to be able to say no um but
00:33:42.960
otherwise we are we go on to the high court so it's going to be anywhere between 500 and 800 000
00:33:49.880
to fight this we've just bought on oh yeah it's just it's crazy having to raise in like raise an
00:33:58.200
amount in a year that's more than most people earn in a year like it is a full-time job that i don't get
00:34:02.760
paid for like it it took all of last year for me to raise five hundred thousand dollars and i'm just
00:34:06.620
i'm so grateful to the people who have you know donated money and just support or if they can't
00:34:12.920
donate money they spread the word because all i what i all i can say sort of in repaying them is
00:34:19.860
i'm not going to give up like i'm going to see this through to the very end and part of the process of
00:34:26.200
is it is getting the word out there of making people realize because then what happens is once
00:34:33.280
you have like the power of the people basically once it's people pushing back and going absolutely
00:34:38.860
no way we do not want this then you have basically the political capital to get politicians to go okay
00:34:46.000
this is a serious issue which has happened to an extent in america it's very much happened in the
00:34:50.620
uk they made it a political issue which is that's why you've got to be in the courts you've got to be in
00:34:55.860
in sort of the government rooms to make these changes happen because we have to repeal laws here
00:35:01.540
so yeah so gigglecrowdfund.com is where there's more information about this
00:35:05.820
i'm not an expert i'm not an expert in law but i'm always trying my best to explain it but there is
00:35:11.580
stuff written on the website that is all about that's written by people who know the law and how
00:35:17.240
to explain it a lot better than i do well i implore everyone to go to giggle crowdfund check out the
00:35:24.000
the more legal mumbo jumbo um but support financially if you can because as sal so eloquently
00:35:33.000
explained yes this is big for for australia but this is setting the press it's a it's it's a landmark
00:35:39.800
lawsuit this is setting the precedent for the rest of the world we are following we are watching um sal
00:35:47.240
her case what's going on there and we are cheering you on and everyone should follow her on x
00:35:52.740
um she is one of the most unapologetic people which is rare especially on this topic um there are so
00:36:00.360
many of your tweets actually every one of your tweets um every single one of your replies like
00:36:05.480
it's just amazing how truthful um how matter of fact how profound you are without actually saying
00:36:14.500
anything that's overly profound you know what i mean i'm just saying men and not women like that's my
00:36:19.440
first principle here and i'm just like from there you can't like it's just the most truthful
00:36:26.680
statement and so literally no one has a credible argument against what i'm saying so it's my job is
00:36:32.640
very easy in that respect but yeah it's just stupid laws make it a little bit harder in the real world
00:36:37.700
but we'll get there i have no doubt we're going to win eventually so yeah well me too and that's because
00:36:41.940
of people like you fighting so thank you i appreciate you coming on it is uh early in the
00:36:47.320
morning in australia time and so we appreciate you a whole lot thank you thank you guys for tuning in
00:36:54.320
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00:37:01.660
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00:37:07.480
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00:37:14.500
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00:37:26.920
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00:37:32.900
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