The Importance of Women's Sports
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In this episode, we talk to the lead sponsor of LB89, the "Stand With Women Act" in Nebraska, Gov. Lori Pillen. She talks about her role as the bill s sponsor, and why she thinks it's a good idea to protect girls in sports.
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I just recently joined Governor Pillen of Nebraska
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for a ceremonial bill signing of his Stand With Women Act.
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Today, we are talking to the lead sponsor of that bill, LB89.
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As I said, we are talking to the lead sponsor of LB89, the Stand With Women Act.
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It was no easy feat getting this done in the state of Nebraska, which might come as a shock.
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Many of you, like I did, believe Nebraska to be a fairly red state.
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You wouldn't have to worry about things like this, which to provide a little context to
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what this bill does, it literally just protects girls' sports.
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It keeps men and boys out of girls' and women's sports.
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Nebraska is now the 28th state to have done this.
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But again, you would kind of be surprised Nebraska hasn't already.
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Understand, they have a pretty rich history in civil rights,
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going all the way back to the Native Americans, to Indians.
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Governor Pillen actually told me this incredible story of Chief Standing Bear.
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They were having some different legal proceedings.
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Basically, the government was trying to argue that Indians were not citizens and not entitled
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But the judge, in a totally unregulated fashion, this was not standard, this was not approved
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by any means, he allowed Chief Standing Bear to deliver some remarks.
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Chief Standing Bear, again, it's the visual you're picturing in your head, the feather cap,
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The hand is not the color of yours, but if I prick it, the blood will flow, and I shall
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If I had, I would not stand here to make a defense.
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I would suffer the punishment and make no complaint.
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And I think it's pretty remarkable because in this bill that Governor Pillen signed into
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law that Senator Kowth has been advocating for now for three legislative sessions, it does
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It defines the word woman, male, female, girl, boy, mother, father, words that we never
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knew we would have to define, words that we imagined were long understood.
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I mean, again, it goes back all the way to Chief Standing Bear.
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He understood them and the judge following this understood them.
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But unfortunately, we live in this time where things have become so conflated, so confused,
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meaning something other than they were truly intended to mean.
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But in the state of Nebraska, their state laws now know what a man is and what a woman
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Well, Senator Kowth, thank you so much for joining the Gains for Girls podcast.
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Just had an opportunity to spend some time with you a little earlier this past month.
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What you've been able to do, what you have been working on for several legislative sessions
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And just really grateful for you and grateful for you joining this show.
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The Stand With Women Act, LB89, that's what just passed.
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Can you tell us a little bit about what this bill does?
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The Stand With Women basically said men are men, women are women.
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We now have that definition in statute, which is critically important.
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It's important to make sure that everyone knows exactly what it is we're talking about.
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Because you'll see with the left, they try to muddle things up.
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And I do encourage anybody when they hear the term transgender, please change it to a man
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who believes he's a woman or a woman who believes she's a man.
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Don't get sucked into using the language because then it gets very, very confusing for everyone.
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But this bill said basically boys do not compete on girls' sports teams.
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They do not have access to their lockers and bathrooms.
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We also had it expanded to state agencies to protect our prisons, to protect our domestic
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It was, and you said, you know, halfway there, we had to remove part of the bill.
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We had to remove the bathrooms and locker rooms and the state agencies because one of our
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And I mean, like, at the literal last minute, we were on the floor in the debate.
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So we got just the athletics, but now K through post-secondary, boys will not be competing on
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And to your point about the language portion, I've been saying this since the beginning.
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And that's what's so important about this bill.
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It's, it's, half of it is merely a definitional bill.
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It's defining words like man, woman, girl, boy, mother, father, the list goes on, words
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you never even, I mean, would have imagined we would have to define, certainly not in a
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I've been saying it from the beginning, even using phrases like biological woman, it just
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is demeaning to what it really means to be a woman.
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Uh, and certainly people are desperate for clarity.
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I mean, it's, when you use the word woman, it means very specific.
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We have a sitting Supreme court justice who can't even define this word.
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Um, I, I like to say that Katanji Brown Jackson is actually just the third person of color.
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She's nothing special because if she can't identify herself as something special and unique
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and the first black woman sitting on the Supreme court, then no one else should either.
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You mentioned you had some, some trouble getting this bill over the line, uh, even at the last
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minute here, what kind of dynamic were you witnessing?
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And was this something that fell on party lines when it came down to it?
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So year one, I introduced both a sports and spaces bill that only addressed K through 12.
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We'll protect kids who cannot leave their schools.
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They can't, they don't have the choice of going to a different college.
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And I also introduced a bill called let them grow, which said under the age of 19, you
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do not do surgeries on kids to change the appearance of their sex, um, or put them on
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We tightened up the drugs and got surgeries banned.
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But I think my, my conservatives in the legislature really had a hard time grasping that this
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happens, that this is an issue, that there are boys who want to compete on girls teams
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and want to be in the locker rooms and bathrooms.
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So there's a lot of, of just kind of passive resistance to it and they were exhausted.
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So it didn't get past that year or the next year, the, the, um, sports and spaces bill.
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So this year, when I introduce it, I, I tell people if, if I don't get what's reasonable,
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when I introduce something reasonable, I'm going to come back with much, much more.
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Um, I, I think that they'll start to get the hang of it.
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Once I keep bringing things back and have expanded them.
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So this year it was all athletics and all, uh, state agencies, again, to make sure our
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prisons, our department of health and human services, we're treating men as men and women
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as women, uh, as well as all of our, uh, education.
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We, we had one Senator and it was very much party line.
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So in Nebraska, we have to have 33 votes to get anything passed because we have 49, uh,
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So we had, um, 33 Republicans, but one of them balked and he has balked before.
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And he decided very much at the last minute that he didn't think that bathrooms and locker
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He said, we shouldn't be the potty police and, you know, kind of demeaned it.
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Meanwhile, one of our Democrats, and I want to stress, no Democrat has ever supported any
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They always vote against them every single one, even the ones who have pulled me aside
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I don't want boys and girls sports, but I can't say it.
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So there is, there's a lack of backbone amongst the Democrats.
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They only do what the party line tells them to do.
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Um, but we have one of our Democrat senators getting up during the debate saying, and a
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female center saying, I'm not afraid of a trans woman in a bathroom, but I am afraid
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I said, so basically a trans woman is a man and what you're calling a cis man is a man said,
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And, you know, they, they can't hear that kind of information.
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And I, I, I can't, I have a hard time understanding if they really believe what they're saying.
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You, you guys in Nebraska have some pretty insufferable Democrats, uh, and, and the different
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interactions that I've had on social media, uh, the different clips that I've seen from
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debates on the floor, uh, definitely some pretty insufferable ones in your state.
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My mom is a therapist and she actually, she lives in California now.
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So she will watch the legislature and very frequently she will be texting me and saying,
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diagnosing people like this person has borderline personality disorder disorder with narcissistic
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Um, and to your point about the compromise portion, this is a common theme.
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And especially at the state level, you'll have, uh, Republicans or conservatives introduce
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legislation and, and feel like they need to give something.
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And understandably, of course, it's a game you have to play.
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If you're trying to pass legislation, uh, especially when you, you take the wins where
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you can get them, those incremental wins, uh, are wins nonetheless, but the other side
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That's what we've seen in several, several different states, even states like Texas, they
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originally passed their sports bill K through 12 and went back, uh, the next legislative
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So it's no easy feat to, to get all of the important things, the critical things in the
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That's why it is important actually to start off really big.
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And as I'm learning that as I go again, I thought, well, I'll be reasonable and do it
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step-by-step start off really big understanding that it's going to be cut down and sometimes
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by your own side, because again, a lot of people have a very hard time grasping this
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because it is so foreign to people who think common sense is just, you know, boys going
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to boys locker rooms, girls going to girls locker rooms.
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So starting off really big means you have some flexibility, like in the back of my head,
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I always know what are the things that I can live without in this bill.
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And, um, you know, that's, that's a game that we have to play.
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And one more thing you mentioned, how, uh, you have people on both sides of the aisle
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who said, look, this is, this is a solution in search of a problem.
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It's not really happening here in the state of Nebraska.
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We only have three trans athletes in the entire state, which again, number one, uh, it's
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And, uh, you had a, a conservative or at least a Senator with an R by his name who, who kind
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of balked here, but you have a constituent who has had a problem with this.
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And of course I would not ask you to name her, but can you kind of describe this scenario
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I've actually had a lot of my constituents, uh, going door to door.
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People said, look, this, that we hear this happening.
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And we're just hoping to pass this kid out to the next level, um, in the, the hearing
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people came out of the woodwork saying you wouldn't believe how many elementary and middle
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So you've just got to deal with it and be prepared for it, which to me, 0.03% of people
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are actually, uh, the, the actual definition of transgender.
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And so for that many people to have gender dysphoria, it means this is a social contagion and
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Um, the young woman who I get reached out to by people from districts all over the place.
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And the young woman whose parents reached out to me is from Lincoln Southeast.
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It's in a different Senator's district, but they have two boys who go into the locker rooms
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And, you know, they kind of switch it up again.
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It's this, this whole fluidity thing that you can never pin down when somebody is or is not
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So that gives a lot of flexibility to people to do whatever they want.
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And of course we will see people with malintentions taking advantage of it.
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And I got to meet this, uh, young girl at the bill signing, uh, and the words that both
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she and her parents spoke to me is, is horrific.
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I don't, I think people downplay the trauma and I don't use that word lightly, the trauma
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Think of how uncomfortable you are in your body as a 13, 14, 15 year old girl in general,
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like, like take out the fact of man is watching you undress, how uncomfortable that puberty
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And then to insert a man into that locker room.
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Uh, so to listen to them, it broke my heart, but I saw how grateful they were for, for people
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like you, for people, people like governor pillin.
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Um, if anyone has watched women's collegiate sports, uh, they know how much, uh, women's
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sports mean to the state of Nebraska, but can you touch on this?
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I think, especially the volleyball program, it was one of the most amazing things ever.
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Uh, just, I think almost two years ago, I think this was in 2023 where the, the women's,
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um, volleyball team, university of Nebraska broke the all time.
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Um, I think the world record of how many in attendance to watch a women's sporting game
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And it was the most amazing thing to be able to see.
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So can you just touch about on how much women's sports mean to the state of Nebraska?
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And that's why, again, this is so very important because we fight for our women's sports.
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And if we start allowing men to play women's sports that are not women's sports, it's not
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Um, so in 2023, and this was actually right after I got the, let them grow bill past, um,
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still trying to work on sports and spaces, but it really got a lot of people like, okay,
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the power of these women down there and understanding as powerful as they are, a guy could still absolutely
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So our, our volleyball team, um, our athletic director did this amazing thing where they
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took our football field, which Nebraska football is a huge deal, huge deal, but they
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covered the football field with a volleyball court and they packed people in.
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And I think our stadium, um, size is like 86,000, but we had, they had people down on the
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field around the court, 92,003 people was the official total.
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It was, it was an absolutely fantastic display of women's athletics and it made worldwide
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I actually, they, they did this cool thing where they took the court and they cut it up
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They registered all the pieces and they sold them.
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And so I actually have a piece of the volleyball court and Rebecca Alec, who is one of the
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stars of that team has been a tremendous support and help for my bills.
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And so I was able to show her, Hey, I've got a piece of the floor you once stood on.
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I had met Jordy prior to, to the most recent bill signing, but I hadn't met Becca before.
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Um, but of course I have admired those two girls for so long.
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Jordy ball is a part of, of course, the university of Nebraska women's softball team.
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Again, Becca is a part of their, their volleyball team.
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Uh, both of those teams are incredible on a national stage.
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Um, both of those athletes are personally incredible on a national stage.
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Um, maybe I think it was maybe last year and it was one of the most beautiful displays I
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It is so hard to put yourself out there, especially on an issue that is deemed controversial.
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The issue of, of, um, being pro-life it's deemed controversial.
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It is the most critical issues of all, in my opinion, because if, I mean, that is the most
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vulnerable that we are talking about, but they so bravely and so publicly put their name
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I mean, how cool was it for them to be a part of that from your perspective as a Senator?
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First of all, um, it came together very seamlessly.
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Somebody had an idea, Nebraska family alliance, somebody had a contact and they called and
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Um, and they did get hit hard and really, really hard.
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I know Jordy and Rebecca were like, no big deal.
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It really impacted some of the other girls very, very seriously because the things that
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And for them, it was just, this is what I believe and I'm willing to stand up and talk
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about it and to not have that same respect as far as what people were saying to them was,
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And, uh, it's, it's disappointing that people would attack young women for stating their beliefs.
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Uh, as I said, uh, got to see both of these girls at the signing.
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Um, I've never been more proud to be a Nebraskan.
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And when I did go to Oklahoma, but then transferred back home, all I could think about was how amazing
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it was going to be to get to wear the Nebraska Jersey and wear that home state proud on my chest.
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Um, but I never could have imagined how much more pride I would feel in getting to be a part
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of what ultimately is so much more important than playing softball.
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Um, and I just want to also say that in standing up for this, like it was never out of my own
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I was always thinking about the younger athletes, the athletes who haven't even started their careers
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It's, um, it's so powerful to hear her say those things again.
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She's someone I've admired far before I ever knew her politics.
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I ever knew where she stood on issues like this, uh, just for her athleticism, her success
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I watched how, uh, she leads with Christ first.
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I mean, what did it mean to have her at this signing and all of her support for you that
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First of all, both she and Rebecca have huge platforms.
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And like you, when you have a platform like that, there is a certain weight of responsibility
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where the words that you say, and I think Simone Biles is probably finding this out, have an
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impact that goes far beyond what that, that momentary thought you're having is.
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So for them to think very clearly and deeply about what they're choosing to support, it
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means the world to me because that helped a lot to get this done.
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So bathrooms, uh, prisons, the, the certain pieces that got pushed out this time, is that
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something that's a priority for you next session?
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And I keep telling people, again, we could have been done, but now we're not.
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So I will be bringing the bathrooms and locker rooms back.
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I'm also looking at a detransitioner bill of rights.
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Um, I am asking our department of health and human services to reevaluate the rules and
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regulations that we put on the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones.
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Based on the, um, federal health and human services report that came out that mirrors
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the cast report about how very damaging these are.
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Uh, and then I'm considering doing a study next summer to see, you know, is this child
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I think when parents or doctors or whoever is pushing young kids to get into this mindset
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and to deny them the reality of sex, I think there's a, especially after all of the
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people who came and testified about their kids who I had one woman come and say, well,
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And when they were, I think she said eight and nine, they realized that they were each
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So I got them on drugs and now I have a daughter and a son.
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And so I want to really do some deep dives into is this child abuse and how are we harming
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Hearing you say that about the detransitioner bill of rights, I believe there's a hospital
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in Nebraska that has been mentioned on a lawsuit.
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And when she was 15, she went through a very, very difficult time, um, was seeking day treatment
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Her parents were going through a horrendous divorce, really a lot of difficulty.
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And she searching for something said, maybe I'm, maybe I'm a boy.
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She met with a therapist whose spouse is a trans.
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I don't remember which way, um, but very much not an unbiased person, uh, who pushed
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You must be a boy that would solve all your problems.
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And, um, by the time she was 16, she had her breast removed and was put on testosterone.
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And when I met her, she was 20 about to turn 21.
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She had stopped the testosterone because of the excruciating pain she was in because of
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They never treated her for depression, for anxiety, um, didn't acknowledge the fact that
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she was going through, you know, a terrible family struggle.
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They just pushed her into surgical and medical interventions.
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She came and testified for my, let them grow bill.
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The doctor who was in charge of her care was there in her little white coat.
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You know, they wear the white coats when they come testify, they wear the white coats when
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But to come and testify, they want to remind you that they are a doctor and they must know
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She had a brief panic attack because this is someone who harmed her very, very badly.
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Um, she got up and she testified and Luca has been responsible for many, many states passing
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Think of all the things you cannot do at 16 years old.
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No, you can't rent a car, but you can, yeah, but you can consent to removing your breast.
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Your parents cannot say, yes, you may get a tattoo on your face in the state of Nebraska
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because it's permanent and the parents don't have to live with it.
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And so they can't make that choice because a kid still doesn't understand.
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But yet a parent can say, yes, cut off my child's genitalia, put them on all three drugs that
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we have no idea what the outcome is going to be.
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There are no studies showing any sort of safety, any sort of progress.
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The results were out in 2019, but the doctor here who ran the study and through NIH funded
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it, she refused to publish the results because they were not in her favor.
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And she didn't want the opposition to get ahold of it.
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So basically the study proved that this does not improve any child's mental well-being by
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So it's, it is a deep, deep and ugly, uh, morass of medical malpractice.
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Well, God bless you for taking it on, being willing to take it on.
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It's easy to do the right thing, uh, to, especially when you know you're on the right
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side of history, but the onslaught of negativity and hatred that comes with it, um, it's not
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What are some other legislative priorities, uh, going into the next session?
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Going into next year, um, I'm looking at a couple of different property tax issues.
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So I had a bill this year that we were trying to get out of the committee.
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We're going to keep working on it over the summer.
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Um, because it's still in committee, we can make adjustments to it easier.
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So I'm working with a bunch of senators on that to make sure that we can get something
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done property tax wise, uh, we always look at school choice issues.
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And I, I was just on a meeting before this one with Congressman Adrian Smith.
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There is a federal, um, bill to push or to create opportunity scholarships.
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So scholarships for kids to go to private schools who are not succeeding in public schools.
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When you look at, uh, in Nebraska, we have a Omaha public school district.
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Their, their reading is at 22%, their science is at 21% and their math scores, 16% of the
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That is not in any way, shape or form acceptable.
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Kids need a way to go to a school that fits them best.
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So we've been working on that for quite a while.
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We've seen the benefits of school choice in Tennessee.
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They're there, the, the paranoia and the, um, the screeching from the teachers union is
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this is going to destroy, destroy public education.
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If public education is that frail, um, then perhaps it needs to be.
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And ours here is very, very strong, but we need kids to have a way to go somewhere that
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Uh, we look forward to following along, uh, what is to come next.
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Uh, we will certainly be amplifying and cheering you on every step of the way.
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Uh, so thank you for being a warrior, defending the right of parents, defending the right of,
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of, uh, women and defending the safeguarding, maintaining the innocence of children.
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Thank you guys for tuning into the Gains for Girls podcast.
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Senator Kowth, as you can tell, uh, she's fiery.
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So, uh, we will continue to watch what she is doing in the state of Nebraska and how
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Uh, and I just wanted to, again, personally mention and give a shout out to those two athletes,
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Jordy ball and Rebecca Alec, uh, part of the university of Nebraska women's softball team,
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uh, and Becca being a part of the university of Nebraska women's volleyball team.
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These girls still have, I mean, another year of, of playing time.
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Uh, and being able to, to talk with those girls in person, uh, hearing them just declare
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why this matters so much to them, uh, how they know they're on the right side of history,
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uh, is really, really special, really, really powerful.
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So if you're watching this and you've got, uh, young daughters or young sons for that
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matter, and they need some role models, uh, I would look no further than Jordy ball and
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Becca Alec, uh, appreciate you guys again, cozy earth.com.
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