Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - The Science Of Transgender Athletes

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00:00:30.000 Welcome back to the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:00:36.160 Today we have someone who I'm super excited about,

00:00:38.760 and I think you guys will be too, because not only is he a policy expert,

00:00:42.740 he's also a physician we are having on Dr. and Representative Greg Murphy.

00:00:47.480 He spent 30 years of his life as a urologist

00:00:49.920 and has served in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2019 from North Carolina.

00:00:55.200 Check out the interview with Representative and Dr. Greg Murphy.

00:00:57.760 Well, thank you for joining us, Dr. Murphy.

00:01:02.020 You have an interesting perspective on this issue, given your background,

00:01:05.360 and so I want you to kind of walk us through your qualifications,

00:01:08.780 of course, not only being a representative in the U.S. House, but also as a physician.

00:01:14.140 Well, thank you for having me, Riley.

00:01:16.040 I really appreciate it, and I appreciate all the hard work you've gone through

00:01:19.440 to show that really this is interesting that we're even having this discussion,

00:01:24.680 because we wouldn't have had it even 10 years ago.

00:01:26.760 So I'm something called a urologist.

00:01:28.980 I'm a urologist surgeon.

00:01:30.340 I do medical and surgical diseases of the kidney, bladder, prostate,

00:01:34.220 and those kind of things, but also the male and sometimes female organs. 1.00

00:01:38.620 And there's a small subset in pediatric urology of disorders that deal with individuals

00:01:44.500 who either chromosomes or chemicals have...

00:01:49.180 It's not either.

00:01:49.960 It's not blank one way or the other.

00:01:51.580 But, you know, through times, and I've been in practice for more than 30 years,

00:01:56.300 it is without a doubt, medically, and I know this without a doubt,

00:02:00.920 that there is a genetic difference in male and female, period.

00:02:05.180 And regardless of any type of hormone supplementation or hormone blocking,

00:02:09.920 you do not change the fundamental difference in tissue, in muscle tissue,

00:02:16.160 in anything between a male and a female.

00:02:18.100 And to say so is pure nonsense.

00:02:21.360 It's pure politics where we're supposed to be dealing with an objective medical science,

00:02:26.380 and that's gone out the wayside, really, in the last three or four years.

00:02:30.200 Totally.

00:02:30.960 I couldn't agree more when you say it has gotten to this point of pure politics.

00:02:36.180 At least in my experience of swimming,

00:02:38.380 girls went through puberty typically before the boys did.

00:02:41.600 You know, in the 11-12 age group, there were some girls who were comparable with the boys.

00:02:46.920 It was kind of relative.

00:02:48.040 Some boys were faster, some girls were faster.

00:02:50.440 But by the time we turned 13-14, that 13-14 age group,

00:02:55.800 it was undeniable that the boys were better.

00:02:59.980 They were faster.

00:03:00.660 They were taller.

00:03:01.380 They had physically changed over the 11-12 age group until the 13-14.

00:03:06.520 They were more defined.

00:03:07.640 They were more explosive off of the block.

00:03:10.000 And so what happened to follow the science?

00:03:15.400 You just kind of went through some of the science,

00:03:17.480 but what does this look like as it pertains to the differences between males and females,

00:03:23.540 which, as you said, is common sense, really?

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.280 So, Riley, if you go back even earlier, around five, five or six,

00:03:31.980 every young boy, every young girl goes through a transformational period of question.

00:03:36.980 They go through who am I, what am I, and all these things.

00:03:40.580 And the infinite majority, infinite majority settle back into their biological sex, 0.97

00:03:45.960 their genetic sex.

00:03:47.540 And if you then look at what happens through puberty,

00:03:50.740 this is when boys grow taller, women mature, they're younger when these things happen.

00:03:56.960 But in puberty is when the things that are genetic differences that happen.

00:04:00.960 You know, this is when muscles and bones especially grow and then fuse,

00:04:06.380 gives you your final height.

00:04:07.700 And some of these things, some individuals do it stronger.

00:04:10.000 But if you take skeletal muscle, which is the main thing that we're looking at here,

00:04:14.100 that gives you speed, that gives you jumps off the blocks, as you say,

00:04:17.780 gives you height, gives you power,

00:04:19.260 the skeletal muscle in a male and a female is fundamentally different.

00:04:25.060 It's fundamentally different.

00:04:26.780 And so males have an absolute athletic advantage over females. 0.60

00:04:31.360 It's period.

00:04:32.100 We've known this for thousands of years.

00:04:34.380 And it's sad that we've now had gender politics come in,

00:04:38.440 and they try to make people feel better and say, yes, you can compete.

00:04:41.800 But it's time and time again shows that there is no equivalency between a genetic male

00:04:48.020 and a genetic female when it comes to the field of athletics. 1.00

00:04:51.400 Absolutely not.

00:04:52.440 When it comes to intelligence, absolutely.

00:04:54.520 But when it comes to athletic endeavors, strength endeavors, speed endeavors,

00:04:58.820 there's absolutely no comparison.

00:05:01.080 There was a panel just this week that got canceled.

00:05:05.040 It was a panel.

00:05:06.140 It was put on by the American Anthropological Association.

00:05:09.980 And they ended up canceling the panel.

00:05:12.780 And I'm reading this from my phone here.

00:05:13.960 It says they canceled it because discussing sex is no longer allowed at anthropology conferences.

00:05:21.160 This is so crazy to me.

00:05:23.020 But I want to get your take on the International Olympic Committee's guidelines.

00:05:27.320 Now, of course, the IOC, it pertains to Olympic sports, right?

00:05:32.120 They say there is no presumption of advantage between the two sexes

00:05:36.100 and that no athlete should be precluded from competing or excluded from competition

00:05:40.080 on the exclusive ground of an unverified, alleged, or perceived unfair competitive advantage

00:05:46.520 due to their sex, variations, physical appearance, and or transgender status.

00:05:51.120 And until evidence determines otherwise,

00:05:54.480 athletes should not be deemed to have an unfair or disproportionate competitive advantage

00:05:59.120 due to their sex, variation, physical appearance, and or transgender status.

00:06:02.540 I mean, this is the Olympics, and they're claiming that a male's advantage over a female's

00:06:09.060 is unverified, alleged, and could be perceived unfair.

00:06:15.640 I mean, as a physician and, again, as a U.S. House of Representative, what's your take on that?

00:06:20.880 Well, Riley, it's absolutely absurd to say there's not a difference between man and a female. 0.93

00:06:25.760 And if you go back, I mean, I'll point out to the college in your anthropology,

00:06:30.020 they don't want to discuss sex.

00:06:32.640 It's turned into the cancel culture. 0.80

00:06:34.980 If you don't agree with what the mainstream thought is,

00:06:37.760 which you take it back a little bit further,

00:06:39.520 it goes back to the parable of the emperor's new clothes when he had nothing on,

00:06:43.240 but everybody was afraid to say because it was all peer pressure.

00:06:46.600 In my opinion, the whole transgender event has been the greatest peer pressure event 1.00

00:06:51.300 ever seen in human history, because we're saying, well, if you'd question it,

00:06:55.240 then you're bad, or the same thing going with all this equity stuff, 0.73

00:06:58.900 that you're bad, you're a bigot, you're a racist, and all these other things.

00:07:01.860 It's all peer pressure. 0.96

00:07:03.180 Fortunately, I think the pendulum, which swung way too far, 0.96

00:07:06.480 is now swinging back for America because they see how absolutely ridiculous this is. 0.83

00:07:11.140 Just because you psychologically believe you are a male does not make you a male. 0.98

00:07:17.420 You cannot have a baby.

00:07:19.660 I'm sorry, if you're a male and you turn in and you believe you're a female,

00:07:24.260 you cannot have a baby, period, point blank.

00:07:27.440 To just say you were just because you think you can is absolutely absurd.

00:07:32.000 It's taking psychology as to being an objective science, which it's not,

00:07:36.100 very subjective, and saying it's an absolute rigid science, which it's not.

00:07:41.320 And this, in many instances, these folks who have transgender issues

00:07:44.780 have very, a lot of psychiatric challenges.

00:07:49.140 And basically, it's been shown that saying it's, hey, it's okay,

00:07:52.940 you feel like you're a female to be a female, 0.95

00:07:55.240 doesn't change any of those psychiatric issues they deal with.

00:07:58.200 And so for the IOC to say that there's no difference

00:08:01.180 is the ultimate, ultimate in peer pressure and non-objectivity.

00:08:05.960 It's embarrassing, truly, Riley,

00:08:08.400 to think such an august committee could say such nonsense.

00:08:10.980 I know that, and it's the same approach that the NCAA is taking.

00:08:16.280 And truth be told, I think it's the same approach that the Democrats are taking

00:08:19.540 in regards to the peer pressure.

00:08:21.400 This bill was introduced in the U.S. House by Representative Suby,

00:08:24.580 and I remember when you read your statement on the floor,

00:08:27.340 you said just as what you said at the beginning of this podcast,

00:08:31.460 you said, I honestly cannot believe this is an actual issue we're debating

00:08:35.420 in the United States.

00:08:36.500 You even then went on to list examples of, you know,

00:08:39.880 think of an NBA player playing with the WNBA,

00:08:42.500 and you even said Michael Phelps competing against the women.

00:08:45.180 And I can tell you, as a swimmer,

00:08:47.280 I can tell you exactly without a doubt what the outcome would be

00:08:50.560 if I had to compete against Michael Phelps.

00:08:54.160 But almost interestingly enough, it did.

00:08:57.480 It fell entirely on party lines,

00:08:59.320 meaning 203, all 203 Democrats voted in opposition of protecting women.

00:09:06.680 And that's absolute peer pressure, Riley.

00:09:08.440 It's absolute peer pressure is what they were pushed into.

00:09:11.300 What happened to you was an absolute injustice.

00:09:15.320 There was a mediocre male swimmer who then decided he wanted to be a female,

00:09:20.600 and he comes in to compete against you,

00:09:22.400 and you were absolutely robbed of a gold medal

00:09:27.560 when you should have received it.

00:09:30.300 Absolutely robbed.

00:09:32.620 No sane person, and I'll be very clear with this,

00:09:36.120 no sane person could say otherwise.

00:09:38.940 Just because, you know, I could think I'm a rock star.

00:09:43.020 Well, I'm not a rock star.

00:09:44.380 I could think I'm a tree.

00:09:45.880 Well, I'm not a tree.

00:09:46.660 And so just because, and I'm saying this to those people,

00:09:51.500 you want me to assume to come into your psychology,

00:09:55.620 which obstructs my objectivity, does not make sense.

00:10:00.380 So, you know, you can believe what you believe,

00:10:02.300 but you can't force me to believe what your sense of reality is.

00:10:07.980 Another part of this issue,

00:10:11.800 of course we have the unfair competition,

00:10:13.440 but what really, it surprised me,

00:10:16.720 and what really pushed me over the edge

00:10:18.540 to believing that these people were peer pressured

00:10:20.840 because I can't imagine a mother or a father to a young girl

00:10:24.420 actually being okay with their daughter undressing next to a male.

00:10:29.000 And so when all 203 Democrats voted in opposition of this,

00:10:33.140 it broke my heart because they're really being a sellout

00:10:35.560 to their own child.

00:10:37.660 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:39.620 But while we're on the topic of gender ideology,

00:10:41.980 what about these procedures being performed on minors?

00:10:47.680 What effects do these have?

00:10:50.640 And I wanted to get your take too on the AMA

00:10:53.080 and other medical associations

00:10:54.660 that say these procedures are safe

00:10:58.420 and they urge legislators to stop passing bills

00:11:01.320 banning these surgeries and hormone blockers on minors.

00:11:04.260 Well, there's a difference.

00:11:05.300 Let's, I want to make sure medically

00:11:06.820 that folks understand the difference.

00:11:08.260 There's a difference between hormone blockers,

00:11:10.220 things that block the body's functions,

00:11:13.140 genetic body's functions before puberty,

00:11:15.920 and then hormone supplements afterwards.

00:11:18.580 Hormone blockers, for example, in a male,

00:11:21.540 a genetic male being given estrogen,

00:11:24.240 cause their bones to fuse earlier, making them shorter.

00:11:27.440 Okay?

00:11:27.620 So it blocks what the normal process would be.

00:11:30.340 A supplement would be after they achieve puberty

00:11:33.520 to assist with, say, breast growth.

00:11:36.360 Okay?

00:11:37.160 Now, what these different procedures are,

00:11:39.760 in a genetic female, 0.86

00:11:42.160 it would be removing the breast 1.00

00:11:43.900 or doing double mastectomies.

00:11:46.040 If, God forbid, there was anything

00:11:47.760 with the lower genitalia done, 0.99

00:11:49.760 in a genetic male, 0.99

00:11:51.600 to remove testicles or to remove the penis 1.00

00:11:55.080 and try to form some type of clitoris 1.00

00:11:57.020 or even put the colon in to make a vagina, 1.00

00:12:00.440 these are procedures. 0.99

00:12:02.560 Removing testes is not a problem. 0.99

00:12:04.400 Making a vagina is absolutely 1.00

00:12:06.020 a very complicated issue. 1.00

00:12:08.040 Removing a penis, the same thing. 0.97

00:12:10.220 So for any parent to allow a child 0.98

00:12:14.300 before the age of consent at 18

00:12:16.700 to have that done, in my opinion,

00:12:19.140 is parental abuse.

00:12:20.200 And for any doctor to do that,

00:12:23.360 in my opinion, is malpractice.

00:12:25.960 Is absolute malpractice.

00:12:27.760 Now, after the age of consent,

00:12:29.340 when they're 18, again, it's different.

00:12:31.720 That person who's then 18

00:12:33.280 can then make those decisions.

00:12:35.080 But for either a parent to make that decision

00:12:36.960 or a child before the age of consent

00:12:39.700 to make that decision is absolutely wrong.

00:12:43.200 And as far as the AMA,

00:12:45.020 you know, there are a lot of things

00:12:46.060 that we're aligned with.

00:12:47.380 I said this the other day.

00:12:48.540 I think they're trying to help physicians.

00:12:50.720 I wish they'd actually center more

00:12:52.080 on helping the physicians.

00:12:53.180 That's what they're supposed to do.

00:12:54.580 Then rather delving into all these

00:12:56.340 absolute social justice issues

00:13:00.860 where they really shouldn't be taking apart.

00:13:03.360 I think they lose some of their credibility

00:13:05.440 in that regard.

00:13:06.900 I'm happy to work with them.

00:13:08.100 We brought in some of the leaders of the AMA

00:13:10.100 to the Doctors Caucus many months ago.

00:13:13.800 And they would talk to us

00:13:15.060 and they agreed with us.

00:13:16.060 And then the next day,

00:13:16.760 they come out with these platforms

00:13:18.260 that are way far left.

00:13:20.100 And so it hurts the credibility of medicine

00:13:22.580 when they're promulgating things

00:13:24.600 that, in my opinion, again, are malpractice.

00:13:27.960 You're exactly right.

00:13:30.040 And it's not even really

00:13:31.420 the irreversible damages

00:13:32.600 that are being done, as you said.

00:13:34.480 A human will, as I have read,

00:13:36.380 learn throughout my college experience

00:13:38.300 in taking science courses.

00:13:40.280 I majored in human health sciences,

00:13:41.920 and so I certainly took my fair share of courses,

00:13:44.640 anatomy, all those different things.

00:13:45.960 We were told that the human brain

00:13:47.960 isn't fully developed until 25.

00:13:50.840 Me, 23, I can't even rent a car on my own.

00:13:54.020 And in some states,

00:13:54.820 a child is able to consent

00:13:57.080 to surgical castration

00:13:58.900 and, of course, chemical hormones

00:14:00.940 and different things.

00:14:03.240 Can you confirm that a brain

00:14:05.300 isn't fully developed

00:14:06.220 until around that age?

00:14:08.000 Absolutely.

00:14:08.420 And many, many, many neurologic tests

00:14:11.640 and studies have shown that.

00:14:13.240 Absolutely.

00:14:14.040 And so that's the point

00:14:16.260 where your frontal lobe really develops.

00:14:18.120 The frontal lobe is there about volition.

00:14:20.160 It's about foresight, planning, those things.

00:14:23.220 And again, you're doing something

00:14:24.820 that's absolutely irreversible to a child.

00:14:27.620 You know, you look at so many girls

00:14:28.860 that were tomboys growing up, right?

00:14:31.380 Does that mean then

00:14:32.280 their left progressive parents

00:14:34.880 are going to hover over them

00:14:36.160 and hover over to them

00:14:37.340 and say to the girl,

00:14:39.180 do you want to be a boy?

00:14:39.980 Do you want to be a boy?

00:14:40.680 Do you want to be a boy?

00:14:41.700 What does that do psychologically,

00:14:43.240 that child?

00:14:43.780 Because those parents

00:14:44.620 are in positions of authority.

00:14:46.520 It absolutely destroys that child.

00:14:49.820 And that's, in my opinion,

00:14:51.500 again, parental abuse.

00:14:53.440 No, I totally agree.

00:14:55.620 Let's look back

00:14:56.840 at your home state of North Carolina.

00:14:58.820 They were really one of the first ones

00:15:00.440 to pass the bathroom bill,

00:15:01.680 I think back in 2016.

00:15:03.460 But they were the 23rd state.

00:15:05.140 But most recently,

00:15:06.280 the most recent state

00:15:07.160 to pass their Fairness in Women's Sports Bill.

00:15:09.920 Do you think this backlash

00:15:11.460 and repercussions they face

00:15:13.500 from the NCAA financial repercussions,

00:15:16.240 do you think that caused some hesitation

00:15:18.000 in the passage of the Women's Sports Bill,

00:15:20.360 which would, of course,

00:15:21.000 just ensure everyone competes

00:15:22.520 with the category

00:15:23.940 that aligns with their sex? 0.59

00:15:25.880 No, because there were

00:15:26.680 two different things, Riley.

00:15:27.940 I really think there were

00:15:28.660 two different things.

00:15:29.400 One was basically

00:15:30.260 just having unisex bathrooms

00:15:31.920 and locker rooms,

00:15:33.420 which no parent should,

00:15:35.440 and to your point,

00:15:36.580 should allow young children

00:15:38.360 to have genetic males

00:15:40.560 walk into their locker rooms.

00:15:41.780 Who does that?

00:15:42.640 That's just not normal.

00:15:44.160 It's just not normal,

00:15:45.180 especially for kids.

00:15:46.560 There is an expectation

00:15:48.060 of privacy and decency.

00:15:50.260 So that was what was happening

00:15:51.360 with the bathroom bill.

00:15:53.080 The second thing,

00:15:54.080 whether it was done correctly or not,

00:15:55.840 really remains,

00:15:56.480 remains, you know,

00:15:58.620 to conjecture,

00:15:59.420 it was reversed

00:16:00.120 and then nothing happened.

00:16:01.320 Nobody abused the privileges.

00:16:03.340 You know,

00:16:03.520 people that were transsexual

00:16:04.820 or whatever, 0.87

00:16:05.680 they went into the bathroom,

00:16:06.800 closed the door,

00:16:07.400 used the bathroom and left.

00:16:08.400 There was never an issue

00:16:09.260 before any of that stuff.

00:16:10.840 Now, as far as the recent bill

00:16:12.280 to stop transgenders 1.00

00:16:13.800 from competing 0.84

00:16:14.500 against their biological sex 0.95

00:16:17.480 in high school sports,

00:16:19.700 I absolutely think

00:16:20.380 that's the right thing to do.

00:16:21.540 Again, it's knocking down

00:16:23.040 the peer pressure.

00:16:24.640 And so what you're doing,

00:16:25.740 you know,

00:16:26.360 the left loves to talk about,

00:16:27.940 you know,

00:16:28.260 women's rights and everything. 1.00

00:16:29.900 So if they're going to promulgate

00:16:31.240 genetic males

00:16:32.960 to compete in female sports, 1.00

00:16:36.200 all this stuff

00:16:36.980 about promoting women's right

00:16:38.460 goes out the window.

00:16:39.700 Let's try to be at least consistent

00:16:41.360 with what you say.

00:16:42.680 And so if they're pushing

00:16:43.560 for that type of nonsense

00:16:45.180 with folks who identify 0.94

00:16:46.640 as transgender,

00:16:47.880 they're absolutely inconsistent

00:16:49.380 in their arguments.

00:16:51.140 Absolutely.

00:16:51.980 Governor Cooper

00:16:52.840 of North Carolina,

00:16:54.100 he vetoed the legislation.

00:16:55.740 Before it was then overrode

00:16:57.240 by a majority vote

00:16:58.080 in the House.

00:16:59.340 And so do you think

00:17:00.140 Governor Cooper

00:17:01.120 represents the people

00:17:02.700 of North Carolina?

00:17:04.740 No, he is,

00:17:06.120 and I know Governor Cooper well,

00:17:08.460 he is a far left ideologue.

00:17:10.800 And again, peer pressure,

00:17:12.400 if he didn't do that,

00:17:13.860 he would be pushed

00:17:15.640 by his far left people

00:17:17.000 about that.

00:17:18.000 And it takes a spine

00:17:19.020 for somebody

00:17:19.560 to actually do something right.

00:17:22.160 Because think of all the kids

00:17:23.480 that would have been

00:17:23.960 damaged for that.

00:17:25.220 All the kids

00:17:25.720 who would have been

00:17:26.280 damaged for that.

00:17:27.040 And a few people say,

00:17:27.940 well, what about these?

00:17:28.660 What about these?

00:17:29.480 Yeah, I absolutely understand.

00:17:31.400 And I feel for those individuals.

00:17:33.200 They want to compete,

00:17:34.300 but they need to compete

00:17:35.420 genetically,

00:17:36.240 not psychologically.

00:17:38.060 Very, very plain and simple.

00:17:40.100 Well, there was a young girl

00:17:41.260 in North Carolina

00:17:41.960 by the name of Peyton McNabb.

00:17:43.860 She was playing

00:17:44.620 a high school volleyball game.

00:17:45.920 A male was on

00:17:47.420 the opposing team.

00:17:48.400 He jumps up,

00:17:49.080 spikes the ball,

00:17:49.920 it hits her in the face.

00:17:51.000 If you've seen the video,

00:17:52.820 I've never seen

00:17:53.780 a woman spike a ball 0.99

00:17:55.460 as hard as this male did. 0.98

00:17:57.780 Hits her in the face, 0.66

00:17:58.540 she's immediately 0.99

00:17:59.020 knocked unconscious.

00:17:59.980 That happened last September.

00:18:01.780 So a year later,

00:18:03.500 she's still partially paralyzed.

00:18:05.600 She still has visual problems. 0.67

00:18:07.260 Her memory is impaired.

00:18:09.060 She now doesn't get

00:18:10.000 to play college sports

00:18:11.080 like she was going to.

00:18:12.840 She has to have

00:18:13.500 special accommodations

00:18:14.420 for testing at school

00:18:15.600 because she can't

00:18:16.360 retain information.

00:18:18.040 Her and I

00:18:18.640 are great friends now

00:18:19.860 and she tells me

00:18:20.460 about the struggles

00:18:21.060 she faces 0.70

00:18:21.660 because of the brain injury

00:18:23.580 she had from a male.

00:18:25.380 And so those threats

00:18:26.080 are very real.

00:18:27.920 As we wrap up here,

00:18:29.880 what is your message

00:18:31.000 specifically to other physicians?

00:18:33.260 You know,

00:18:34.200 those physicians

00:18:35.220 who deny the reality

00:18:36.700 and the very real effects

00:18:38.280 that this movement

00:18:39.520 is having on real people,

00:18:42.220 again,

00:18:42.460 specifically women and children.

00:18:44.400 Yeah.

00:18:44.500 And I've been very plain

00:18:46.480 and simple about this

00:18:47.460 and said this multiple times.

00:18:49.000 I think most physicians

00:18:49.920 really want to take care

00:18:50.960 of their patients

00:18:51.580 and do what's right.

00:18:53.100 And these individuals

00:18:54.020 are psychiatrically

00:18:55.420 and psychologically challenged

00:18:56.760 because they,

00:18:57.680 I don't doubt

00:18:58.400 what they feel at all,

00:18:59.760 at all.

00:19:00.320 But there are constructs

00:19:01.720 of what is normal,

00:19:03.000 what is genetic,

00:19:04.060 what is biological.

00:19:05.480 And just because

00:19:06.820 one believes

00:19:07.620 there's something

00:19:08.220 that they biologically

00:19:09.640 are not,

00:19:10.520 what they were born to be,

00:19:12.200 does not mean

00:19:12.820 that is reality.

00:19:14.220 And so for a physician

00:19:15.340 to play into that

00:19:16.880 and then to do something

00:19:18.840 that is irreparable,

00:19:20.360 irreparable to that child

00:19:21.820 before they have true consent

00:19:23.240 and by their parents

00:19:24.540 to give consent,

00:19:25.840 I believe flat out

00:19:27.160 personally is malpractice.

00:19:29.320 And any physician

00:19:30.300 that does that,

00:19:31.180 really,

00:19:31.980 I know the AMA

00:19:33.100 has done what they've done

00:19:34.600 for peer pressure,

00:19:35.740 I really believe

00:19:37.460 should have his credentials,

00:19:38.660 her credentials,

00:19:39.480 really checked

00:19:40.040 and verified again.

00:19:41.200 I mean,

00:19:41.500 just,

00:19:42.160 it's not right.

00:19:43.180 It's absolutely not right

00:19:44.440 and it's done

00:19:45.120 for political purposes,

00:19:46.520 not for objective science.

00:19:48.680 Absolutely.

00:19:49.480 Well,

00:19:50.260 Dr. Murphy,

00:19:50.980 we appreciate you coming on.

00:19:52.640 We appreciate the work you do

00:19:53.960 for,

00:19:54.900 of course,

00:19:55.140 the people of North Carolina,

00:19:56.260 but the people of America.

00:19:58.420 So thank you very much.

00:20:00.380 Well,

00:20:00.840 thank you,

00:20:01.300 Riley,

00:20:01.620 and God bless you for,

00:20:02.980 I hate what happened to you.

00:20:04.640 I despise it.

00:20:05.340 It was absolutely wrong,

00:20:06.260 but thank you for making

00:20:07.240 a difficult thing

00:20:08.420 and turning a good thing

00:20:09.920 out of it.

00:20:11.020 Lemons into lemonade.

00:20:12.800 Absolutely.

00:20:15.060 Thanks for tuning in

00:20:15.960 to the Gains for Girls podcast.

00:20:17.260 Hopefully you're able

00:20:17.880 to get a better understanding

00:20:19.100 of the science

00:20:19.940 behind this issue

00:20:20.740 and why this matters

00:20:21.540 from Dr. Greg Murphy.

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00:20:30.300 And make sure to check out

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00:20:33.040 You can find this

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Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - October 04, 2023

The Science Of Transgender Athletes

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