TransFixed
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Summary
Presha Mosley was born a boy. She transitioned at a young age and transitioned as a minor, but then realized one day that she wanted to have a baby with her biological son. Presha became a mother, and was able to birth a beautiful baby boy. Unfortunately, doctors had already cut off her breast and removed healthy functioning body parts that she had that she would later need because she became a mom.
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hey everybody welcome back to the games for girls podcast thank you guys for tuning in
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as you know check us out at outkick.com anywhere where you get your podcast be sure to share this
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podcast and these episodes with all of your friends uh today is a special episode because
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we are promoing we are breaking this is exclusive for the first time uh we are promoting a new
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docuseries that will be on fox nation that i was the executive producer of uh this docuseries is
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called trans fixed we will be getting into all things gender ideology movement of course we'll
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be touching on what is going on in women's sports how we got to the point where we are allowing women
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to stand on the podium with men who have stolen their hard-earned rightfully earned trophies we'll
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be talking about that but this docuseries it's a four-part docuseries four episodes it's much
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broader than just women's sports we will be talking about the gender ideology movement from the legal
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front what's going on at the state level the federal level um but we're going to be understanding in this
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docuseries how kids how children how minors are the ultimate victim of this harmful radical agenda
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that is seemingly embraced by an entire political party uh really really tragic stuff we have some
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wonderful interviews in there with parents parents who have kids who were who were coerced into
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transitioning as as children uh we talked to transitioners we talked to people who have
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detransitioned uh and that is who we're interviewing today uh we are talking to presha mosley
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you probably know we're off social media uh she is uh a someone who transitioned as a minor
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uh but then realized one day wait i think i do want to have children i do have that maternal instinct
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unfortunately doctors had already cut off her breast removed healthy functioning body parts that she
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had that she would later need because she became a mother she was able to birth a beautiful baby boy
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we talk about all things transition detransition her pregnancy the problems that she has faced
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that since in this interview today but again expect to hear more on the new docuseries with fox
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nation fox nation called trans fixed it is coming out september 12th that is tomorrow so this is an
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exclusive of again what you can expect to hear and so check out the interview here with presha mosley
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presha thank you so much for joining the gains for girls podcast i have had the blessing of getting
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to know you over these past two years or so since we've both really become immersed in this in this
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space i'm sure people know you from from social media i'm sure they've seen clips of you testifying
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before state legislative bodies or or some of the other advocacy work that you are doing um it's
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because your your voice your story is so important this episode in particular is special because we
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are promoing the new trans fixed uh docuseries that is coming out with fox nation that you are a huge
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part of and so can you just start by you know briefly telling us a little bit about who you are what
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your childhood was like growing up in north carolina and what life events ultimately led up to your
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decision to transition yeah so um i'm presha mosley um but that's just a name i go by legally my name
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is charlie um mosley which i changed as a minor um and this was because i was eventually convinced
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after a series of traumatic events and a contact with predatory adults online um i i was convinced
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that i was a boy and that i had a medical condition where i my female body didn't match with my male
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brain and i had to treat that condition in order to not be suicidal um i lived in maryland before i moved
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to north carolina um due to the traumatic events um many of which i can't over explain because they
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aren't mine to share but um i i began seeing doctors when i was around 11 or 12 years old uh due to
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growing taller but losing weight um and this was due to anorexia um this was me trying to take control
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in the form of starving myself um because of anxiety and ocd um and the trauma um to to try to
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feel better um my doctors of course were against this idea it was unhealthy i needed help i eventually
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ended up in the hospital because of being so underweight and malnourished but um you know i was sure for quite
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a while that the reason i was miserable and suicidal was because i was fat even though i was um dangerously
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underweight but eventually after hitting ultimate goal weight after ultimate goal weight um i was
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convinced by trans identifying adult activists online on social media particularly tumblr that um
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i was actually a boy um this happened while i was on pro anna websites um with a lot of other girls my age
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and about half of the people that i was starving alongside uh were convinced with me that we were boys
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um so you know this came to my doctors who had been seeing me um my therapist who i'd been seeing for
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years and um others you know that it wasn't because i was fat um it was because i was a boy
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trapped in a girl's body i was born in the wrong body and um this was immediately affirmed as the
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truth the narrative entirely changed they were no longer fighting me and fighting for my health they
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were taking it away um because i had a new idea about why i wanted to kill myself all the time
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um which is a terrible thing to say and a terrible thing to do but um that's what happened and it's
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happening to a lot of other people so here we are wow you mentioned social media which um people i'm
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sure i've heard some of your story i think of you know other amazing uh detransitioners people like
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chloe cole who share a similar i mean there's a similarity there it seems to be a trend uh the role
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one that trauma plays in in the lives of people who uh think it's best to transition and two social
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media and so can you talk very briefly about i guess more specifically the role that social media
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played in your transition i think that uh social media has more to do with trauma itself and the trauma
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also has to do with transition and therefore you know the the them being alongside each other but
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people who are dealing with trauma feel isolated they feel alone they feel confused and they're
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hurting and they often take to social media and just post into the void the abyss uh like i did about
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how they feel i had a little tumblr blog with you know no followers um and i was posting about how i was
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fat and it was ruining my life and um pretty soon i i guess the algorithm brought other girls to me who
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also thought that they were fat and um we just like in the trans community i was love bombed and
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encouraged and i i got attention i needed attention but i was getting the wrong attention from the wrong
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places but while my doctors were saying you know oh you're not fat you're gonna die you know all of my
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friends online were saying you're not crazy i know how you feel we can do this together we'll you know
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text me whenever you want to eat and i'll help you not and um yeah and it it makes you feel less alone
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it's nice to not be told you're crazy or it's your fault um and if you were just born in the wrong
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body um in a similar way uh that's not your fault either you know and you you you can get help
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and you mentioned these these suicidal ideations where where uh i mean you described there are moments
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when you genuinely wanted to injure your own life and so do you feel like you wanted to to escape
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your female body because of the trauma now looking back because of the trauma that you endured
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more than actually genuinely genuinely believing that that you were a male and how did your doctors
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did your doctors know uh that you were at any point suicidal um yeah uh so to answer the second
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question first um my doctors did know that i was suicidal because my therapist who wrote the letter
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recommendation that allowed me to get top surgery um was treating me for it um as well as the anorexia
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and uh trauma including a sexual assault when i was 14 which resulted in a miscarriage i i didn't want
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to be a man as much as i wanted to interact with the world as what i thought a man was i thought that
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to safely engage with men with whom i sometimes wanted to be friends or hang out or speak i had to
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be one um and so on and so forth and my suicidality was used as proof to coerce my parents into the fact
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that you know i hadn't done it soon enough if we had transitioned me earlier um maybe i wouldn't have
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attempted when i was younger um but i know that's completely false i was um suicidal and attempting
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before i ever heard any of the words trans or gender dysphoria or any of it i just thought that
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i had found out what was wrong with me and my doctors agreed instead of you know continuing to
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say that i was delusional like when i said i was fat when i was very underweight um and because of my
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beliefs my health was taken away wow so the process for you um you mentioned having a therapist you
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mentioned having to to have a letter of recommendation what else was needed for you to initially get
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prescribed testosterone i have so much to say about that it would blow your mind um so the letter of
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recommendation for testosterone came from uh a gender therapist um who had a boilerplate letter for me
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already up on the laptop that i saw when i walked into the room um she was referred to me by the
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endocrinologist who was seeing me in secret in my nutritionist's office uh and administering shots
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to make my period stop um i previously had had the police called on me because of freaking out
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about my eating plan making me gain weight but this time uh you know an endocrinologist showed up
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with a shot that would make my period stop um and then to move on to the next step i needed the letter
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of recommendation and i went to the woman who had a boilerplate letter printed out for me and i paid her
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um a bit under 300 as i recall um and yeah i took that letter to the endocrinologist um very shortly
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after and started to be injected with massive amounts of testosterone into my muscles um
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yeah and for for top surgery uh i forgot this but this for top surgery it was even worse my therapist
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who had been seeing me for a few years for the sexual assault and the trauma going on in my family
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and the anorexia um i made her aware that the gender therapist was going to charge me
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280 for the letter for top surgery so she offered to do it for free the stipulation was that i had to
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leave my room for one hour every day for one week my next until my next appointment and i would get the
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letter and i failed to do so and she wrote the letter anyway wow wow and so what you know
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you you began injecting yourself with testosterone i mean what did that that feel like the effects that
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it had on your body of course i think people know it changes you physically it makes you you know your
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muscular structure changes uh you grow facial hair and your your arm hair and different things but i mean
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what did it really feel like for you as someone at the time who was struggling and and having these
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really harmful thoughts um a lot of different things first of all i didn't start with injecting
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myself um my endocrinologist would inject me in the butt in my muscle um because i didn't know how to
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do it and i was scared um and but i was already uh cutting myself and so it i moved quickly on to
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being taught how to do it at home and um the effects first of all it felt nice as a very hurt and angry
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teenager to get my way it was hurtful for years to hear no you're not fat this i i remember thinking
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when my nutritionist was making my eating plan and trying to help me to think oh my god she's trying
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to make me more fat so i kill myself because i was crazy and i remember when my doctors just jumped
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on the train and agreed that i was born in the wrong body and started giving the information and
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medicalizing me um that you know wow i was gonna get better now i wasn't being fought anymore we were on
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the same page and i was gonna get healthy and want to live um you know what i mean it's totally a
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reasonable way to think especially when you explain it that way dealing with what you had dealt with
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previously it entirely makes sense why you would think that i mean you trust your doctors at least
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you know you you're supposed to especially as a young vulnerable impressionable a young girl
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uh you believe that they were best interests at heart yeah and and on top of it you know adult
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women already were talking around me all the time about how the doctors every time you go in severe
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pain or suicidal they tell you to smile more and do yoga and so for doctors to say oh yes you were born
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in the wrong body let's help you let's make you want to live that was a hopeful you know and i think
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that is the benefit of the trans community of gender affirming care and it's why some people
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aren't even lying when they say that they believe that it saved their life it might have for a time
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been the reason i kept alive i i believed for a good minute that i was going to magically change sex
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and transform into a boy and my girl body was going to align with my boy brain by turning into a boy
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body and it was all going to get better and i waited i stayed hopeful and i held on for that um but
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eventually the effects of testosterone um primarily the muscular pain um became too great i i ran out of
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hope and i found out it was a lie so false hope is not worth the price especially when your body parts
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and health go away so those those thoughts you were having prior to transitioning they eventually
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returned is what you're saying oh yeah um there were um placebo effect benefits and real um effects from
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being on you know steroidal testosterone i had confidence i had energy i stopped rotting in my bed
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um but i became reckless the self-harm was more dangerous and um you know it it turns into a
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situation of changing the dragon uh getting the letter of recommendation turns into taking the drugs and
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you know the hormones turn into surgery and then you know top surgery turns into bottom surgery and the
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euphemisms and so on and so forth but eventually like i said i just ran out of hope you know um
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of course you mentioned the the pain you were in uh what other complications or or health issues
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from those procedures that you underwent do you still have to to face if any now
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um a lot of the pain it's not continually getting worse all the time because i've stopped
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it um the testosterone but um my muscles burn and ache all of the time um i i use dissociation as a coping
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tool because i was given muscle relaxers while i was on testosterone um and not told to just stop
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poisoning myself and i don't want to put a bunch more chemicals into my body um and i have atrophy um
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full pelvic atrophy not just vaginal that's what everyone talks about but um you know my bladder i have to
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pee all the time um which is a quality of life issue um and obviously pregnancy made that worse um and was
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affected i had to have a c-section which meant suddenly having less than nine months to be facing down another
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surgery um the double mastectomy um what happened after i gave birth is the worst thing that has ever
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happened to me and it was a direct result of gender affirming care and my surgery
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you have been a medical experiment presha twice you've had people fail you twice well i guess the second
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time of course isn't really a fail but nonetheless it's a medical experiment um you have transitioned
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but then detransitioned really three medical experiments if you're including transitioning
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so transitioning and then detransitioning which i want to talk about but then probably unknowingly
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i'm sure for a while you weren't even positive that you could get pregnant but you have been blessed
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with the most beautiful wonderful baby boy he really is just the cutest thing ever um and so i want to talk
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about your pregnancy but before we get there the detransitioning process what was that like for you
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how did you realize that that was something you know that the transitioning was a hoax it was a facade
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um well as i mentioned the pain um is what initially led me to quit the testosterone um i was in too
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much muscular and joint pain and i stopped taking it but that wasn't detransition people with trans
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identities run out of hormones or don't have money for surgery all the time um what happened eventually
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when i posted that video which made me public um that was the moment in in the moment in which i was
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saying that my life was ruined and i wasn't a boy and i didn't understand what i had consented to i
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that was it i was recording it so that i wouldn't change my mind or gaslight myself about my own
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feelings and it accidentally uh got very popular um and viewed but my boyfriend uh with whom i have
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the beautiful baby his daughter who was about two and a half at the time um started calling me mommy
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and that's when i began the reconciliation with my natal sex which is what i think detransition is
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yeah yeah no that's beautiful and she is just the cutest thing ever too oh she really is how long has
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it been since that process the detransitioning process began for you now um it'll be two years
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in october which is you know next month not long yeah yeah that community i i'm curious i'm always
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curious about this which i feel like i know the answer that community that you mentioned
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online when you began to transition it was very affirming you you use the verbiage of love bomb
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they love bomb you and they they they tell you you're correct to feel like you were born in the
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wrong body did that community still exist when you decided to detransition um no it's quite the
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opposite and there it's the behavior that came afterwards that uh helped show me that what was
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going on when i was trans identifying was indeed love bombing because as soon as i was no longer
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serving the cause the cult the narrative um i became an enemy all of the kindness and the love bombing and
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it's going to get better stopped um every single day i get threats and messages about how i have
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children's blood on my hands because of the testifying i've done for trying to prevent people
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from being medicalized when their bodies are healthy um and i i have to have like a security system a
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camera at my house now um because someone in my town um it's wild but um this is what happens when
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you give children or the incredibly vulnerable and mentally distressed um wrong sex hormones and
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steroids and take away their body parts that is what they do it's it's heartbreaking absolutely
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yeah and i think people see too through social media those who who are bold enough to i mean who are
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even willing to say that there are two sexes and you can't change your sex those who are willing to
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say that online i mean i'm sure they've been met with uh a relatively similar type of vitriol um so
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people understand um your pregnancy we've alluded to it we we have said that you really do have the
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most beautiful baby boy but what was that process again just a kind of a a brief overview what was that
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like having to give birth um you know as as a a mom a woman having all the pain in your pelvic area
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uh knowing too you also don't have have breasts that can produce breast milk i mean all these things
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they have to weigh on you that i mean i can't imagine uh the feelings that you felt and the
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hardships that you went through giving birth and and i'm sure even after birth
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i didn't know what i was consenting to and it doesn't just affect me that's the worst part i mean
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a year or so ago i began to be able to understand how it affected my parents and my sister and my
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grandparents um but now i can see that this affects my children my
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daughter um if i don't have another daughter if i do have another child and it's a daughter
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she is more likely to have health problems than my son and we will more likely be dealing with
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things like a mustache or a beard or pcos when she's a teenager but if i don't the one i have now
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uh is going to be the only woman in the house one day or a girl in the house one day with breasts
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um and there is nothing i can do about it and my son cries for milk i cannot give him because
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i don't have breasts but what i do have is leftover breast tissue that was trapped under
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the scar tissue that's inside of my chest uh that could not reach my son um he would scream and cry
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and my chest would get these hard painful rocks in it um but my nipples are decorative they
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don't connect to anything so this uneven these pockets of breast tissue that i have that filled up
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with milk connects to nothing um and it is the worst pain i have experienced in my life by far
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labor does not compare i labored for four hours for no reason because i didn't want any doctors to
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touch me uh when i started giving birth because of the trauma and because i don't trust doctors and
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because i didn't want to have surgery again um uh but
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uh eventually they told me that i needed to have the c-section to keep my son alive so i did
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um and i've been having horrible dreams where my mastectomy surgery combines with
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my c-section and i know that my breasts were incinerated and i don't trust doctors and i'm
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sure you can imagine the horrible nightmares i'm having and i had to take this horrible medication
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called cabergoline i don't know how to pronounce it but it's a dopamine interacting medicine that
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blocks prolactin in the brain and takes it out of the body and i took it because i was desperate i
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could not bear the pain opioids didn't fix it and i took this medication that made me not have
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prolactin anymore um and kind of lost my mind for a while um i think it's horrible to uh give
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a medicine that blocks the bonding hormone in the brain of someone who just gave birth to their
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first child so i was suicidal for a while again um and now that i have survived that medication
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and another medication a brain steroid that was just approved by the fda for postpartum depression
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after all of that my reward is to be numb it's numb i feel nothing again when i hold my son and when
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he cries my chest is numb and i kind of wish it hurt again i guess
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risha i am so sorry i i like listening to this it gives me chills it it makes i mean tears in my eyes
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as a as a woman as a friend of yours i just you were failed by by so many um but to see how really
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you have become so bold and so courageous and you have been been truly such a strong strong voice on
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the harms of the gender ideology movement using your tragic unfortunate circumstance that shouldn't
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have happened to any single person but using that to make sure it doesn't continue to happen
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has been incredibly impactful far more impactful than than i think either you or i realize um you've
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testified before bills like i said like you've said making real impact across the country and so
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a little bit about you know what you're doing you're an ambassador with the independent women's
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forum which they do amazing work everyone should go to iwf.org check out what they are doing to
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to raise awareness on the harms of of radical gender ideology as it protects to as it pertains
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to transitioning but also the the work they're doing on women's sports uh the work they're doing
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in prisons they they've done some really awesome storytelling videos i'm appreciating you were one
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of those and so talk a little bit about your work you're doing now as an ambassador right at uf
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how you're using this experience to to make a difference politically speaking
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oh gosh um yeah i mean that's it's really important to me to just make sure this doesn't
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happen to anyone else like i said and the only reason it happens to me is because i was lied to
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and i didn't know and i didn't understand and i know for a fact that way too many girls and boys and
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men and women are in the exact same position being lied to and believing they can change sex and that
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attempting to do so will cure any and all distress they experience it's it's all a lie um i'll tell
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you this um because it's not public where i gave birth or anything there are three women at my birthing
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center who are trans identified all three are already pregnant one has had top surgery and the other two
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are seeking it um and none of them have heard about the complications i experience which i gave my
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midwife permission to communicate to them because she had never heard of it either um
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so yeah wow well it's um like i said it really is making a difference uh you know when you went
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through it and so using this to i mean just in one hospital there's already three others is insane
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you have been pushing back as we've said in virtually every realm social media in the courts
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um but what you're doing you've also filed a lawsuit which is huge i think this is one of the most if not
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the most effective way to push back because what i what i have seen uh these large institutions these
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governing bodies you know these these big corporations they're fearful of getting sued from the other
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side um whether again that's the sports world what have you uh groups like the aclu like glad these these
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large human rights uh groups and unions they constantly threaten and pursue lawsuits and so to have someone
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on the side of women safeguarding children of parental rights doing the same is monumental and it sets the
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precedent for others and so can you just the the basis of your lawsuit and what your goal is in filing it
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yeah um the basis of my lawsuit i mean i filed on a lot of different claims um what ended up going
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through where i'm sorry the lawyer speak isn't great but like charge charges of fraud because it is a
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fraudulent claim that you can change sex and that you know uh modifying your secondary sex characteristics
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will cure you of mental illness um both of those are fraudulent lies um unfortunately due to the
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statute of limitations and repose um the med mal was thrown out but um i there's a lot of bills and
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laws already being worked on or that have already passed that raise the statute of limitations for
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people who have transitioned as minors to sue in some states for as long as 30 years after being
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medicalized so um you know uh my goal in my lawsuit is the same as all of it i just i just want it to
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stop i just i just want there to be truth and honesty i want this to never happen i i mean i'll put it this
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way after growing up with the trauma and the you know disorder of emotional regulation i am finally
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learning how to control and handle and bear my own pain and emotions and feelings um but other people's
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no um i can't just live while i know that other people are consenting to lies so i'm going to at least
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make sure it's not ignorance that pushes anyone to do this i love that last two questions for you
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first one uh we hear it they're called puberty blockers uh the other side insinuates that this
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is you know it's just a pause it's a pause on puberty it's reversible you can stop them immediately and
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things will be back to normal was this reversible in your opinion no part of gender affirming care is
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reversible and everything they say is proof of something else and how it's a lie for example
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they will say to me that the effects of testosterone and hormones are reversible but then grown men will
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complain and cry about not being given puberty blockers because they know that the effects of
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testosterone are reversible and as for the effects of blockers all we know is that time isn't
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reversible all we know is that before this epidemic of ideology we used to only use them on unhealthy
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bodies of children experiencing precocious puberty at the wrong time but now we are using them the body
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of the bodies of children who are going through puberty at the right time and even if time was magically
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reversible and you could stop puberty at 12 and then begin puberty like a 12 year old
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in the body of an 18 year old there would still be incredibly damaging social and psychological and
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mental effects because it is already incredibly difficult to be a little girl growing her breasts
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or a boy getting testosterone would you want to do that after your peers already did and you're 18 years
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old alone unsocially developed by yourself with the body of a 12 year old it's unethical and it's unsafe
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and it is irreversible and last question was this preventable
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that's a two-part question i guess some people ask me oh i you know is there's anything i could
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have said to you what could i have said to you i'm a christian i'm a conservative a mother i'm against
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trans ideology something um and the answer to that question is nothing there is nothing that anyone
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could have told me to take away what i believed because once i had been lied to i was given a lie
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that i wanted to believe then and i thought i needed it to be true to be alive the only way this could
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have been prevented was for adults to not have lied to me but um prevention you know there's there's cure
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too um it's not as valuable as prevention but we can tell the truth i love that you're so wise you
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really are i wish this is something that every single person regardless of of of political affiliation
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regardless of any identity factor this is something that every single person should listen to listen to
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you as someone who who understands you understand both sides you were there um you get it but yeah
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and i just side no sorry i just i because you said that i want to say this is something that i can
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recommend to every single maybe every single person but certainly every single person with a trans
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identity is to find out what is an internal or an external locus of control if you have an external
00:37:55.400
locus of control you need to rely on the validation of other people's to stay alive insane and safe you
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might do something like lose your mind or feel unsafe or threatened if someone correctly sexes you
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because you believe that you need other people to tell you you're not a girl or you're not a boy or
00:38:15.980
you're not this or that constantly but if you have an internal locus of control you can say i am what i am
00:38:22.340
i know what i am and i know how to act like that person then you won't have to beg the world to call you
00:38:30.300
the proper pronouns and you won't feel compulsed to steal women's trophies or the spaces of other people's
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bathrooms and so on and so forth insightful you've lived you've lived a lot of life in your your your young
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years um which again is is incredibly unfortunate but uh how you are how you convey yourself as a
00:38:53.580
woman as a mother um as a girlfriend um how you're able to to so effectively share your story your raw
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emotion how you feel the pain that you felt and that you continue to experience is powerful and so
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appreciate i appreciate you we'll be following your lawsuit um cheering you on every step of the way
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uh because again you're you're not just fighting for yourself or or people in north carolina you are
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fighting for every single person every single america and really globally every single person
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we thank you presha thank you riley i'd love talking to you thank you for listening to me
00:39:33.060
thank you guys for tuning in to the gains for girls podcast uh i feel angry i feel frustrated i feel
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heartbroken i feel demoralized after listening to presha listening to what she went through what she
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continues to go through um we've become complicit as a society where we have allowed progressive
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policies uh with the harmful effects as presha has lived as i have lived as i'm sure many people you
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know in your every maybe you progressive policy that policies that maybe you have lived that it is up to
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us to do something make sure you check out again the trans fixed docuseries uh it's really awesome work
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i mentioned iwf independent women's forum in this podcast we mentioned them on the trans fixed
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docuseries uh the work that they are doing is incredible i'm a proud iwf ambassador presha is as
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well as you heard i encourage you to go to iwf.org to see and follow the work that they are doing
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uh they have a really awesome storytelling department where they tell stories of people like presha again
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women in prisons who are incarcerated with men behind these bars men who are convicted of sexual heinous
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crimes crimes really really terrible stuff uh but go to iwf.org to check that out uh we will be
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following presha's lawsuit very closely uh we are hoping this is something that is successful uh not
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just again for her sake but for all of our sake uh again thanks for tuning in check out trans fixed
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