Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - TransFixed

00:00:00.000 hey everybody welcome back to the games for girls podcast thank you guys for tuning in

00:00:11.240 as you know check us out at outkick.com anywhere where you get your podcast be sure to share this

00:00:16.260 podcast and these episodes with all of your friends uh today is a special episode because

00:00:23.120 we are promoing we are breaking this is exclusive for the first time uh we are promoting a new

00:00:29.280 docuseries that will be on fox nation that i was the executive producer of uh this docuseries is

00:00:37.280 called trans fixed we will be getting into all things gender ideology movement of course we'll

00:00:44.340 be touching on what is going on in women's sports how we got to the point where we are allowing women

00:00:50.840 to stand on the podium with men who have stolen their hard-earned rightfully earned trophies we'll

00:00:58.200 be talking about that but this docuseries it's a four-part docuseries four episodes it's much

00:01:03.700 broader than just women's sports we will be talking about the gender ideology movement from the legal

00:01:09.840 front what's going on at the state level the federal level um but we're going to be understanding in this

00:01:15.580 docuseries how kids how children how minors are the ultimate victim of this harmful radical agenda

00:01:25.260 that is seemingly embraced by an entire political party uh really really tragic stuff we have some

00:01:32.660 wonderful interviews in there with parents parents who have kids who were who were coerced into

00:01:38.500 transitioning as as children uh we talked to transitioners we talked to people who have

00:01:44.140 detransitioned uh and that is who we're interviewing today uh we are talking to presha mosley

00:01:51.260 you probably know we're off social media uh she is uh a someone who transitioned as a minor

00:01:57.140 uh but then realized one day wait i think i do want to have children i do have that maternal instinct

00:02:06.980 unfortunately doctors had already cut off her breast removed healthy functioning body parts that she 1.00

00:02:15.360 had that she would later need because she became a mother she was able to birth a beautiful baby boy

00:02:23.260 we talk about all things transition detransition her pregnancy the problems that she has faced

00:02:28.920 that since in this interview today but again expect to hear more on the new docuseries with fox

00:02:34.800 nation fox nation called trans fixed it is coming out september 12th that is tomorrow so this is an

00:02:41.880 exclusive of again what you can expect to hear and so check out the interview here with presha mosley

00:02:48.000 presha thank you so much for joining the gains for girls podcast i have had the blessing of getting

00:02:54.800 to know you over these past two years or so since we've both really become immersed in this in this

00:03:01.520 space i'm sure people know you from from social media i'm sure they've seen clips of you testifying

00:03:07.900 before state legislative bodies or or some of the other advocacy work that you are doing um it's

00:03:14.840 because your your voice your story is so important this episode in particular is special because we

00:03:19.820 are promoing the new trans fixed uh docuseries that is coming out with fox nation that you are a huge

00:03:27.140 part of and so can you just start by you know briefly telling us a little bit about who you are what

00:03:33.540 your childhood was like growing up in north carolina and what life events ultimately led up to your

00:03:38.720 decision to transition yeah so um i'm presha mosley um but that's just a name i go by legally my name

00:03:48.060 is charlie um mosley which i changed as a minor um and this was because i was eventually convinced

00:03:57.560 after a series of traumatic events and a contact with predatory adults online um i i was convinced

00:04:08.640 that i was a boy and that i had a medical condition where i my female body didn't match with my male

00:04:17.520 brain and i had to treat that condition in order to not be suicidal um i lived in maryland before i moved

00:04:26.400 to north carolina um due to the traumatic events um many of which i can't over explain because they

00:04:35.300 aren't mine to share but um i i began seeing doctors when i was around 11 or 12 years old uh due to

00:04:43.520 growing taller but losing weight um and this was due to anorexia um this was me trying to take control

00:04:52.560 in the form of starving myself um because of anxiety and ocd um and the trauma um to to try to

00:05:01.300 feel better um my doctors of course were against this idea it was unhealthy i needed help i eventually

00:05:09.320 ended up in the hospital because of being so underweight and malnourished but um you know i was sure for quite

00:05:17.560 a while that the reason i was miserable and suicidal was because i was fat even though i was um dangerously

00:05:23.940 underweight but eventually after hitting ultimate goal weight after ultimate goal weight um i was

00:05:29.780 convinced by trans identifying adult activists online on social media particularly tumblr that um

00:05:38.900 i was actually a boy um this happened while i was on pro anna websites um with a lot of other girls my age

00:05:48.140 and about half of the people that i was starving alongside uh were convinced with me that we were boys

00:05:55.960 um so you know this came to my doctors who had been seeing me um my therapist who i'd been seeing for

00:06:04.140 years and um others you know that it wasn't because i was fat um it was because i was a boy

00:06:11.300 trapped in a girl's body i was born in the wrong body and um this was immediately affirmed as the

00:06:16.100 truth the narrative entirely changed they were no longer fighting me and fighting for my health they

00:06:21.840 were taking it away um because i had a new idea about why i wanted to kill myself all the time

00:06:28.820 um which is a terrible thing to say and a terrible thing to do but um that's what happened and it's

00:06:36.480 happening to a lot of other people so here we are wow you mentioned social media which um people i'm

00:06:45.160 sure i've heard some of your story i think of you know other amazing uh detransitioners people like

00:06:51.480 chloe cole who share a similar i mean there's a similarity there it seems to be a trend uh the role

00:06:57.840 one that trauma plays in in the lives of people who uh think it's best to transition and two social

00:07:06.280 media and so can you talk very briefly about i guess more specifically the role that social media

00:07:12.600 played in your transition i think that uh social media has more to do with trauma itself and the trauma

00:07:22.200 also has to do with transition and therefore you know the the them being alongside each other but

00:07:29.660 people who are dealing with trauma feel isolated they feel alone they feel confused and they're

00:07:35.440 hurting and they often take to social media and just post into the void the abyss uh like i did about

00:07:42.860 how they feel i had a little tumblr blog with you know no followers um and i was posting about how i was

00:07:49.560 fat and it was ruining my life and um pretty soon i i guess the algorithm brought other girls to me who

00:07:55.900 also thought that they were fat and um we just like in the trans community i was love bombed and

00:08:06.640 encouraged and i i got attention i needed attention but i was getting the wrong attention from the wrong

00:08:13.420 places but while my doctors were saying you know oh you're not fat you're gonna die you know all of my

00:08:21.360 friends online were saying you're not crazy i know how you feel we can do this together we'll you know

00:08:28.580 text me whenever you want to eat and i'll help you not and um yeah and it it makes you feel less alone

00:08:38.140 it's nice to not be told you're crazy or it's your fault um and if you were just born in the wrong

00:08:44.600 body um in a similar way uh that's not your fault either you know and you you you can get help

00:08:51.100 and you mentioned these these suicidal ideations where where uh i mean you described there are moments

00:09:00.780 when you genuinely wanted to injure your own life and so do you feel like you wanted to to escape

00:09:07.680 your female body because of the trauma now looking back because of the trauma that you endured 1.00

00:09:13.760 more than actually genuinely genuinely believing that that you were a male and how did your doctors

00:09:19.860 did your doctors know uh that you were at any point suicidal um yeah uh so to answer the second

00:09:29.740 question first um my doctors did know that i was suicidal because my therapist who wrote the letter

00:09:36.560 recommendation that allowed me to get top surgery um was treating me for it um as well as the anorexia

00:09:43.600 and uh trauma including a sexual assault when i was 14 which resulted in a miscarriage i i didn't want

00:09:53.440 to be a man as much as i wanted to interact with the world as what i thought a man was i thought that

00:10:01.520 to safely engage with men with whom i sometimes wanted to be friends or hang out or speak i had to

00:10:08.940 be one um and so on and so forth and my suicidality was used as proof to coerce my parents into the fact

00:10:20.900 that you know i hadn't done it soon enough if we had transitioned me earlier um maybe i wouldn't have

00:10:28.020 attempted when i was younger um but i know that's completely false i was um suicidal and attempting

00:10:35.880 before i ever heard any of the words trans or gender dysphoria or any of it i just thought that

00:10:42.920 i had found out what was wrong with me and my doctors agreed instead of you know continuing to

00:10:49.940 say that i was delusional like when i said i was fat when i was very underweight um and because of my

00:10:56.460 beliefs my health was taken away wow so the process for you um you mentioned having a therapist you

00:11:06.260 mentioned having to to have a letter of recommendation what else was needed for you to initially get

00:11:11.980 prescribed testosterone i have so much to say about that it would blow your mind um so the letter of

00:11:19.780 recommendation for testosterone came from uh a gender therapist um who had a boilerplate letter for me

00:11:30.920 already up on the laptop that i saw when i walked into the room um she was referred to me by the

00:11:38.600 endocrinologist who was seeing me in secret in my nutritionist's office uh and administering shots

00:11:47.880 to make my period stop um i previously had had the police called on me because of freaking out

00:11:56.140 about my eating plan making me gain weight but this time uh you know an endocrinologist showed up

00:12:04.220 with a shot that would make my period stop um and then to move on to the next step i needed the letter

00:12:10.260 of recommendation and i went to the woman who had a boilerplate letter printed out for me and i paid her

00:12:15.580 um a bit under 300 as i recall um and yeah i took that letter to the endocrinologist um very shortly

00:12:27.300 after and started to be injected with massive amounts of testosterone into my muscles um

00:12:35.320 yeah and for for top surgery uh i forgot this but this for top surgery it was even worse my therapist

00:12:47.400 who had been seeing me for a few years for the sexual assault and the trauma going on in my family

00:12:54.580 and the anorexia um i made her aware that the gender therapist was going to charge me 1.00

00:13:02.200 280 for the letter for top surgery so she offered to do it for free the stipulation was that i had to

00:13:14.220 leave my room for one hour every day for one week my next until my next appointment and i would get the

00:13:22.240 letter and i failed to do so and she wrote the letter anyway wow wow and so what you know

00:13:32.180 you you began injecting yourself with testosterone i mean what did that that feel like the effects that

00:13:40.180 it had on your body of course i think people know it changes you physically it makes you you know your

00:13:46.280 muscular structure changes uh you grow facial hair and your your arm hair and different things but i mean

00:13:54.020 what did it really feel like for you as someone at the time who was struggling and and having these

00:14:00.380 really harmful thoughts um a lot of different things first of all i didn't start with injecting

00:14:07.760 myself um my endocrinologist would inject me in the butt in my muscle um because i didn't know how to 0.60

00:14:16.320 do it and i was scared um and but i was already uh cutting myself and so it i moved quickly on to

00:14:26.460 being taught how to do it at home and um the effects first of all it felt nice as a very hurt and angry

00:14:41.440 teenager to get my way it was hurtful for years to hear no you're not fat this i i remember thinking

00:14:50.460 when my nutritionist was making my eating plan and trying to help me to think oh my god she's trying 1.00

00:14:58.020 to make me more fat so i kill myself because i was crazy and i remember when my doctors just jumped

00:15:05.060 on the train and agreed that i was born in the wrong body and started giving the information and

00:15:10.240 medicalizing me um that you know wow i was gonna get better now i wasn't being fought anymore we were on

00:15:18.320 the same page and i was gonna get healthy and want to live um you know what i mean it's totally a

00:15:24.920 reasonable way to think especially when you explain it that way dealing with what you had dealt with

00:15:29.700 previously it entirely makes sense why you would think that i mean you trust your doctors at least

00:15:35.260 you know you you're supposed to especially as a young vulnerable impressionable a young girl

00:15:42.360 uh you believe that they were best interests at heart yeah and and on top of it you know adult

00:15:50.340 women already were talking around me all the time about how the doctors every time you go in severe 1.00

00:15:55.640 pain or suicidal they tell you to smile more and do yoga and so for doctors to say oh yes you were born

00:16:02.440 in the wrong body let's help you let's make you want to live that was a hopeful you know and i think

00:16:10.340 that is the benefit of the trans community of gender affirming care and it's why some people

00:16:17.760 aren't even lying when they say that they believe that it saved their life it might have for a time

00:16:24.800 been the reason i kept alive i i believed for a good minute that i was going to magically change sex

00:16:32.820 and transform into a boy and my girl body was going to align with my boy brain by turning into a boy

00:16:39.960 body and it was all going to get better and i waited i stayed hopeful and i held on for that um but

00:16:47.520 eventually the effects of testosterone um primarily the muscular pain um became too great i i ran out of

00:16:56.740 hope and i found out it was a lie so false hope is not worth the price especially when your body parts

00:17:06.260 and health go away so those those thoughts you were having prior to transitioning they eventually

00:17:13.880 returned is what you're saying oh yeah um there were um placebo effect benefits and real um effects from

00:17:23.820 being on you know steroidal testosterone i had confidence i had energy i stopped rotting in my bed

00:17:30.580 um but i became reckless the self-harm was more dangerous and um you know it it turns into a

00:17:40.620 situation of changing the dragon uh getting the letter of recommendation turns into taking the drugs and

00:17:46.340 you know the hormones turn into surgery and then you know top surgery turns into bottom surgery and the

00:17:52.460 euphemisms and so on and so forth but eventually like i said i just ran out of hope you know um

00:17:59.200 of course you mentioned the the pain you were in uh what other complications or or health issues

00:18:08.680 from those procedures that you underwent do you still have to to face if any now

00:18:14.520 um a lot of the pain it's not continually getting worse all the time because i've stopped

00:18:22.800 it um the testosterone but um my muscles burn and ache all of the time um i i use dissociation as a coping

00:18:33.980 tool because i was given muscle relaxers while i was on testosterone um and not told to just stop

00:18:41.980 poisoning myself and i don't want to put a bunch more chemicals into my body um and i have atrophy um

00:18:49.280 full pelvic atrophy not just vaginal that's what everyone talks about but um you know my bladder i have to

00:18:56.660 pee all the time um which is a quality of life issue um and obviously pregnancy made that worse um and was

00:19:04.800 affected i had to have a c-section which meant suddenly having less than nine months to be facing down another

00:19:11.940 surgery um the double mastectomy um what happened after i gave birth is the worst thing that has ever

00:19:24.180 happened to me and it was a direct result of gender affirming care and my surgery

00:19:29.680 you have been a medical experiment presha twice you've had people fail you twice well i guess the second

00:19:41.120 time of course isn't really a fail but nonetheless it's a medical experiment um you have transitioned

00:19:46.680 but then detransitioned really three medical experiments if you're including transitioning

00:19:52.120 so transitioning and then detransitioning which i want to talk about but then probably unknowingly

00:19:58.660 i'm sure for a while you weren't even positive that you could get pregnant but you have been blessed

00:20:05.500 with the most beautiful wonderful baby boy he really is just the cutest thing ever um and so i want to talk

00:20:14.400 about your pregnancy but before we get there the detransitioning process what was that like for you

00:20:21.700 how did you realize that that was something you know that the transitioning was a hoax it was a facade 0.83

00:20:28.400 um well as i mentioned the pain um is what initially led me to quit the testosterone um i was in too

00:20:37.340 much muscular and joint pain and i stopped taking it but that wasn't detransition people with trans 0.99

00:20:44.040 identities run out of hormones or don't have money for surgery all the time um what happened eventually

00:20:51.120 when i posted that video which made me public um that was the moment in in the moment in which i was

00:20:59.780 saying that my life was ruined and i wasn't a boy and i didn't understand what i had consented to i

00:21:06.600 that was it i was recording it so that i wouldn't change my mind or gaslight myself about my own

00:21:13.240 feelings and it accidentally uh got very popular um and viewed but my boyfriend uh with whom i have

00:21:23.180 the beautiful baby his daughter who was about two and a half at the time um started calling me mommy

00:21:29.300 and that's when i began the reconciliation with my natal sex which is what i think detransition is

00:21:37.660 yeah yeah no that's beautiful and she is just the cutest thing ever too oh she really is how long has

00:21:47.640 it been since that process the detransitioning process began for you now um it'll be two years

00:21:55.200 in october which is you know next month not long yeah yeah that community i i'm curious i'm always

00:22:03.620 curious about this which i feel like i know the answer that community that you mentioned

00:22:09.440 online when you began to transition it was very affirming you you use the verbiage of love bomb

00:22:15.380 they love bomb you and they they they tell you you're correct to feel like you were born in the

00:22:19.820 wrong body did that community still exist when you decided to detransition um no it's quite the

00:22:29.640 opposite and there it's the behavior that came afterwards that uh helped show me that what was

00:22:35.920 going on when i was trans identifying was indeed love bombing because as soon as i was no longer

00:22:41.880 serving the cause the cult the narrative um i became an enemy all of the kindness and the love bombing and

00:22:50.060 it's going to get better stopped um every single day i get threats and messages about how i have

00:22:59.420 children's blood on my hands because of the testifying i've done for trying to prevent people

00:23:04.700 from being medicalized when their bodies are healthy um and i i have to have like a security system a

00:23:12.700 camera at my house now um because someone in my town um it's wild but um this is what happens when

00:23:23.660 you give children or the incredibly vulnerable and mentally distressed um wrong sex hormones and 0.82

00:23:31.580 steroids and take away their body parts that is what they do it's it's heartbreaking absolutely

00:23:38.040 yeah and i think people see too through social media those who who are bold enough to i mean who are

00:23:45.840 even willing to say that there are two sexes and you can't change your sex those who are willing to 0.90

00:23:50.140 say that online i mean i'm sure they've been met with uh a relatively similar type of vitriol um so

00:23:57.600 people understand um your pregnancy we've alluded to it we we have said that you really do have the

00:24:04.660 most beautiful baby boy but what was that process again just a kind of a a brief overview what was that

00:24:11.140 like having to give birth um you know as as a a mom a woman having all the pain in your pelvic area 1.00

00:24:20.860 uh knowing too you also don't have have breasts that can produce breast milk i mean all these things 1.00

00:24:28.480 they have to weigh on you that i mean i can't imagine uh the feelings that you felt and the

00:24:34.520 hardships that you went through giving birth and and i'm sure even after birth

00:24:38.600 yeah um i don't even know where to begin

00:24:44.680 i didn't know what i was consenting to and it doesn't just affect me that's the worst part i mean

00:24:54.780 a year or so ago i began to be able to understand how it affected my parents and my sister and my

00:25:02.580 grandparents um but now i can see that this affects my children my

00:25:09.120 daughter um if i don't have another daughter if i do have another child and it's a daughter

00:25:18.100 she is more likely to have health problems than my son and we will more likely be dealing with

00:25:23.600 things like a mustache or a beard or pcos when she's a teenager but if i don't the one i have now

00:25:30.160 uh is going to be the only woman in the house one day or a girl in the house one day with breasts 1.00

00:25:36.440 um and there is nothing i can do about it and my son cries for milk i cannot give him because

00:25:44.940 i don't have breasts but what i do have is leftover breast tissue that was trapped under 0.68

00:25:56.000 the scar tissue that's inside of my chest uh that could not reach my son um he would scream and cry

00:26:06.380 and my chest would get these hard painful rocks in it um but my nipples are decorative they 0.99

00:26:14.600 don't connect to anything so this uneven these pockets of breast tissue that i have that filled up 0.70

00:26:22.940 with milk connects to nothing um and it is the worst pain i have experienced in my life by far

00:26:31.100 labor does not compare i labored for four hours for no reason because i didn't want any doctors to

00:26:40.520 touch me uh when i started giving birth because of the trauma and because i don't trust doctors and

00:26:46.660 because i didn't want to have surgery again um uh but

00:26:52.640 uh eventually they told me that i needed to have the c-section to keep my son alive so i did

00:27:02.500 um and i've been having horrible dreams where my mastectomy surgery combines with

00:27:10.200 my c-section and i know that my breasts were incinerated and i don't trust doctors and i'm

00:27:18.400 sure you can imagine the horrible nightmares i'm having and i had to take this horrible medication

00:27:25.700 called cabergoline i don't know how to pronounce it but it's a dopamine interacting medicine that

00:27:32.160 blocks prolactin in the brain and takes it out of the body and i took it because i was desperate i

00:27:39.840 could not bear the pain opioids didn't fix it and i took this medication that made me not have

00:27:50.940 prolactin anymore um and kind of lost my mind for a while um i think it's horrible to uh give

00:27:59.160 a medicine that blocks the bonding hormone in the brain of someone who just gave birth to their

00:28:05.380 first child so i was suicidal for a while again um and now that i have survived that medication

00:28:13.200 and another medication a brain steroid that was just approved by the fda for postpartum depression

00:28:20.160 after all of that my reward is to be numb it's numb i feel nothing again when i hold my son and when

00:28:29.880 he cries my chest is numb and i kind of wish it hurt again i guess

00:28:36.260 risha i am so sorry i i like listening to this it gives me chills it it makes i mean tears in my eyes

00:28:47.160 as a as a woman as a friend of yours i just you were failed by by so many um but to see how really

00:28:55.020 you have become so bold and so courageous and you have been been truly such a strong strong voice on

00:29:04.380 the harms of the gender ideology movement using your tragic unfortunate circumstance that shouldn't

00:29:12.880 have happened to any single person but using that to make sure it doesn't continue to happen

00:29:20.220 has been incredibly impactful far more impactful than than i think either you or i realize um you've

00:29:30.580 testified before bills like i said like you've said making real impact across the country and so

00:29:36.420 a little bit about you know what you're doing you're an ambassador with the independent women's 0.86

00:29:41.820 forum which they do amazing work everyone should go to iwf.org check out what they are doing to

00:29:46.620 to raise awareness on the harms of of radical gender ideology as it protects to as it pertains

00:29:53.600 to transitioning but also the the work they're doing on women's sports uh the work they're doing

00:29:58.420 in prisons they they've done some really awesome storytelling videos i'm appreciating you were one

00:30:03.060 of those and so talk a little bit about your work you're doing now as an ambassador right at uf

00:30:07.560 how you're using this experience to to make a difference politically speaking

00:30:12.900 oh gosh um yeah i mean that's it's really important to me to just make sure this doesn't

00:30:19.300 happen to anyone else like i said and the only reason it happens to me is because i was lied to

00:30:25.180 and i didn't know and i didn't understand and i know for a fact that way too many girls and boys and

00:30:33.580 men and women are in the exact same position being lied to and believing they can change sex and that 0.94

00:30:40.340 attempting to do so will cure any and all distress they experience it's it's all a lie um i'll tell

00:30:48.100 you this um because it's not public where i gave birth or anything there are three women at my birthing 0.51

00:30:56.740 center who are trans identified all three are already pregnant one has had top surgery and the other two

00:31:05.060 are seeking it um and none of them have heard about the complications i experience which i gave my

00:31:13.080 midwife permission to communicate to them because she had never heard of it either um

00:31:18.820 so yeah wow well it's um like i said it really is making a difference uh you know when you went

00:31:31.060 through it and so using this to i mean just in one hospital there's already three others is insane

00:31:37.020 you have been pushing back as we've said in virtually every realm social media in the courts

00:31:42.680 um but what you're doing you've also filed a lawsuit which is huge i think this is one of the most if not

00:31:51.220 the most effective way to push back because what i what i have seen uh these large institutions these

00:31:58.640 governing bodies you know these these big corporations they're fearful of getting sued from the other

00:32:04.740 side um whether again that's the sports world what have you uh groups like the aclu like glad these these

00:32:12.920 large human rights uh groups and unions they constantly threaten and pursue lawsuits and so to have someone

00:32:22.740 on the side of women safeguarding children of parental rights doing the same is monumental and it sets the

00:32:32.280 precedent for others and so can you just the the basis of your lawsuit and what your goal is in filing it

00:32:38.300 yeah um the basis of my lawsuit i mean i filed on a lot of different claims um what ended up going

00:32:46.120 through where i'm sorry the lawyer speak isn't great but like charge charges of fraud because it is a

00:32:54.140 fraudulent claim that you can change sex and that you know uh modifying your secondary sex characteristics

00:33:02.400 will cure you of mental illness um both of those are fraudulent lies um unfortunately due to the

00:33:08.420 statute of limitations and repose um the med mal was thrown out but um i there's a lot of bills and

00:33:18.280 laws already being worked on or that have already passed that raise the statute of limitations for

00:33:23.780 people who have transitioned as minors to sue in some states for as long as 30 years after being

00:33:31.040 medicalized so um you know uh my goal in my lawsuit is the same as all of it i just i just want it to

00:33:41.760 stop i just i just want there to be truth and honesty i want this to never happen i i mean i'll put it this

00:33:49.960 way after growing up with the trauma and the you know disorder of emotional regulation i am finally

00:33:57.080 learning how to control and handle and bear my own pain and emotions and feelings um but other people's

00:34:05.120 no um i can't just live while i know that other people are consenting to lies so i'm going to at least

00:34:16.800 make sure it's not ignorance that pushes anyone to do this i love that last two questions for you

00:34:24.620 first one uh we hear it they're called puberty blockers uh the other side insinuates that this

00:34:34.040 is you know it's just a pause it's a pause on puberty it's reversible you can stop them immediately and

00:34:40.440 things will be back to normal was this reversible in your opinion no part of gender affirming care is

00:34:48.560 reversible and everything they say is proof of something else and how it's a lie for example

00:34:55.220 they will say to me that the effects of testosterone and hormones are reversible but then grown men will

00:35:01.760 complain and cry about not being given puberty blockers because they know that the effects of

00:35:06.960 testosterone are reversible and as for the effects of blockers all we know is that time isn't

00:35:13.060 reversible all we know is that before this epidemic of ideology we used to only use them on unhealthy

00:35:22.640 bodies of children experiencing precocious puberty at the wrong time but now we are using them the body 0.86

00:35:29.060 of the bodies of children who are going through puberty at the right time and even if time was magically

00:35:36.560 reversible and you could stop puberty at 12 and then begin puberty like a 12 year old

00:35:42.680 in the body of an 18 year old there would still be incredibly damaging social and psychological and

00:35:49.540 mental effects because it is already incredibly difficult to be a little girl growing her breasts 0.98

00:35:56.120 or a boy getting testosterone would you want to do that after your peers already did and you're 18 years

00:36:02.740 old alone unsocially developed by yourself with the body of a 12 year old it's unethical and it's unsafe 0.62

00:36:10.120 and it is irreversible and last question was this preventable

00:36:15.960 that's a two-part question i guess some people ask me oh i you know is there's anything i could

00:36:25.620 have said to you what could i have said to you i'm a christian i'm a conservative a mother i'm against

00:36:31.040 trans ideology something um and the answer to that question is nothing there is nothing that anyone

00:36:38.320 could have told me to take away what i believed because once i had been lied to i was given a lie

00:36:45.520 that i wanted to believe then and i thought i needed it to be true to be alive the only way this could

00:36:52.420 have been prevented was for adults to not have lied to me but um prevention you know there's there's cure

00:37:03.860 too um it's not as valuable as prevention but we can tell the truth i love that you're so wise you

00:37:12.240 really are i wish this is something that every single person regardless of of of political affiliation

00:37:20.040 regardless of any identity factor this is something that every single person should listen to listen to

00:37:27.840 you as someone who who understands you understand both sides you were there um you get it but yeah

00:37:34.340 and i just side no sorry i just i because you said that i want to say this is something that i can

00:37:42.740 recommend to every single maybe every single person but certainly every single person with a trans

00:37:47.700 identity is to find out what is an internal or an external locus of control if you have an external

00:37:55.400 locus of control you need to rely on the validation of other people's to stay alive insane and safe you

00:38:02.440 might do something like lose your mind or feel unsafe or threatened if someone correctly sexes you

00:38:10.640 because you believe that you need other people to tell you you're not a girl or you're not a boy or

00:38:15.980 you're not this or that constantly but if you have an internal locus of control you can say i am what i am

00:38:22.340 i know what i am and i know how to act like that person then you won't have to beg the world to call you

00:38:30.300 the proper pronouns and you won't feel compulsed to steal women's trophies or the spaces of other people's

00:38:36.900 bathrooms and so on and so forth insightful you've lived you've lived a lot of life in your your your young

00:38:44.340 years um which again is is incredibly unfortunate but uh how you are how you convey yourself as a

00:38:53.580 woman as a mother um as a girlfriend um how you're able to to so effectively share your story your raw

00:39:02.780 emotion how you feel the pain that you felt and that you continue to experience is powerful and so

00:39:09.840 appreciate i appreciate you we'll be following your lawsuit um cheering you on every step of the way

00:39:16.420 uh because again you're you're not just fighting for yourself or or people in north carolina you are

00:39:21.640 fighting for every single person every single america and really globally every single person

00:39:27.420 we thank you presha thank you riley i'd love talking to you thank you for listening to me

00:39:33.060 thank you guys for tuning in to the gains for girls podcast uh i feel angry i feel frustrated i feel

00:39:40.420 heartbroken i feel demoralized after listening to presha listening to what she went through what she

00:39:47.860 continues to go through um we've become complicit as a society where we have allowed progressive

00:39:56.340 policies uh with the harmful effects as presha has lived as i have lived as i'm sure many people you

00:40:04.980 know in your every maybe you progressive policy that policies that maybe you have lived that it is up to

00:40:11.680 us to do something make sure you check out again the trans fixed docuseries uh it's really awesome work

00:40:20.460 i mentioned iwf independent women's forum in this podcast we mentioned them on the trans fixed 0.65

00:40:26.100 docuseries uh the work that they are doing is incredible i'm a proud iwf ambassador presha is as

00:40:33.220 well as you heard i encourage you to go to iwf.org to see and follow the work that they are doing

00:40:40.040 uh they have a really awesome storytelling department where they tell stories of people like presha again

00:40:45.700 women in prisons who are incarcerated with men behind these bars men who are convicted of sexual heinous

00:40:51.440 crimes crimes really really terrible stuff uh but go to iwf.org to check that out uh we will be

00:40:58.060 following presha's lawsuit very closely uh we are hoping this is something that is successful uh not

00:41:03.980 just again for her sake but for all of our sake uh again thanks for tuning in check out trans fixed

00:41:09.580 tomorrow september 12 on fox nation uh and be sure to check out all things games for girls at 1.00

00:41:15.180 outkick.com we'll see you guys next week

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Gaines for Girls with Riley Gaines - September 11, 2024

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