Tayler Frankie Paul is facing domestic violence charges, and ABC has since canceled her entire season of The Bachelorette due to the scandal. What does this mean for the future of the show and what will happen to the rest of the cast? We talk to friend and former college swimmer Paula Scanlan about the scandal and whether or not this is a good or bad thing.
00:00:28.760mom talk and mom donnie that's what we're talking about today we are talking with actually a dear
00:00:39.560friend of mine her name is paula scanlan also a division one collegiate swimmer we're talking
00:00:45.640about the bachelorette and taylor frankie paul and the domestic violence charges that she is now0.91
00:00:51.180facing and how abc has scrubbed the season entirely also paula is a resident of new york
00:00:57.440city uh so we're talking mom donnie stay tuned okay paula thanks for joining the riley gaines
00:01:04.240show um it's always fun to talk with you but we rarely get to do it with the cameras on so i'm
00:01:09.680excited about this uh there's about a hundred different things in the news going on pop culture
00:01:14.960that we could talk about but i wanted to talk with you about the whole taylor frankie paul
00:01:21.360bachelorette situation uh for context obviously this was the newest season set to air this video
00:01:29.520came out highlighting taylor frankie paul i guess a domestic violence situation i have to imagine
00:01:37.480that abc knew about this because i mean quite frankly i knew about this i think this video
00:01:41.780was from 2023 uh we actually have the video we're gonna play it really quick
00:01:46.820let me go stop dude leave me alone1.00
00:01:54.720okay so you think abc knew about this too don't you i think they had to have right people talk
00:02:03.360about the background checks that abc is doing on their contestants there's no way they didn't know
00:02:07.080i remember when they chose frank chose her as the bachelorette i thought that it was a really
00:02:12.460interesting choice given the scandal but i think they chose it because of the scandal because
00:02:16.380controversial people get more views and abc is all about making money and so it's it's kind of
00:02:22.540funny that it backfired on them that it got too they went too far she's too controversial this is
00:02:27.440too much she saw people on the left and the right coming together and agreeing hey this is terrible
00:02:32.380and ultimately the show was pulled yeah which that hardly ever happens uh i wonder how much
00:02:38.960they spent on production costs because they made it through the entire season of filming didn't they
00:02:44.740That's what I understand, and people who have gone and looked at it say that they spent at least $2 million on the season.
00:02:50.220I don't know how these budgets work. I don't know anything about The Bachelorette or ABC or what they do.
00:02:54.480I just know that they're flying around usually to locations, sometimes leaving the country.
00:02:59.580I mean, it's not something that's cheap. It's a big show that's been going on for so many seasons.
00:03:04.080I'm really curious to see what they try to do next.
00:03:06.120A lot of people were saying maybe they'll try to redo the season, maybe the show will be over forever.0.93
00:03:10.300The entire situation is just completely absurd and ridiculous.0.64
00:03:13.900And again, they could have chose someone else to do this show.0.94
00:03:18.280They could have chose someone who is high profile, has a lot of followers, but is not in a video potentially abusing their own children, their partner, whatever.
00:03:28.800Millions of options they could have picked and they didn't do that.
00:03:31.960Yeah, I've never really understood the lore of Taylor Frankie Paul.
00:03:36.560Forgive me for not really thinking she's a good bachelorette contestant.
00:03:40.380She has, I think, three kids with two dads, one marriage.
00:03:43.900The whole mom talk thing where I think her and her husband and her friend group were
00:03:49.260accused of like, actually they admitted to being soft swingers, which I think basically
00:03:53.660is where you partner swap within the friend group.
00:12:30.600I feel like we live in this very influencer-driven society and culture,
00:12:36.780certainly more now than at any point in history,
00:12:39.560given the access on social media, different things,
00:12:42.460and I think the people's willingness, influencers' willingness to share their lives.
00:12:47.300I think in the case of Taylor Frankie Paul, sometimes these deeply personal kind of chaotic
00:12:52.500things that you probably shouldn't be sharing to your millions of followers. But it seems we have
00:12:57.140so many, I think, especially young women who develop these almost parasocial relationships
00:13:03.060with influencers. Is that something you feel like you've noticed?
00:13:08.060Well, definitely. I think a recent event to tie that into is, I don't know if you saw this,
00:13:13.020but zendaya got married right so yeah at some point behind closed doors and there were so many
00:13:18.320people online who felt personally upset that they didn't know she was married didn't have access to
00:13:23.840pictures of her wedding you do not know her you you're not friends you've never met in person
00:13:29.600there's this entitlement to other people's lives simply because they're either more visible or
00:13:35.100choose to post online about other things you're not entitled to information on people's personal
00:13:40.320lives and even political views i don't know if you like this continues to happen time and time
00:13:45.040again where people are canceling influencers that post content that have nothing to do with
00:13:49.360politics insisting to know their political opinions and when they find out that those
00:13:53.840opinions are not what exactly matches theirs they're quick to unfollow they're quick to say
00:13:59.360this person's a horrible person when they only followed them for a specific niche that has
00:14:04.240nothing to do with politics and so there's this again this entitlement of access to everyone's
00:14:09.760everything. And when you don't get that, people go crazy, which it's really disturbing. And I think
00:14:15.880we are at a really interesting time in the world where I don't know what the long-term effects of
00:14:20.540this are. I don't know how much worse it's going to get. And I don't really know what the solution
00:14:24.760is necessarily to fix it. I mean, we can't just ban social media. We can't de-platform anyone.
00:14:29.680So it's a really difficult situation and people are definitely getting a little bit deranged over
00:14:35.080it yeah i would certainly say so um i love tom holland and zendaya i think their marriage is
00:14:41.380so sweet their relationship has been so sweet um but derange is a good word and when talking about
00:14:46.460these parasocial relationships i think of sydney sweeney who was selling like her bath water and1.00
00:14:52.600you have creeps lining up miles long to be able to access this and purchase this because they feel
00:15:00.340like they know her it's the most bizarre thing ever and i remember too when all the ice stuff
00:15:06.700was happening in minnesota specifically it was alex earl which i like her she's chaotic she's fun
00:15:12.480i follow all of her stuff i watch all of her videos she's very entertaining
00:15:16.200if you were going through her comments everyone was demanding that she spoke about ice which
00:15:21.640i don't believe she ever did when an influencer does that do you think that means secretly
00:15:28.540that they're conservative? You know, that's something I think a lot of people automatically
00:15:34.340jump to the conclusion of. I think it means, yeah, they probably lean that way, or they're
00:15:39.000simply just a common sense, independent thinking person that's not overly involved with political
00:15:45.020things, right? It used to be that if someone's not making commentary on politics, that it just
00:15:50.820means like, yeah, they'll probably go vote for the president and kind of lean one way or the other
00:15:54.840every four years and not think day to day about these things but now because of this you know
00:16:01.420this hyper polarization people are automatically assuming you need to be fully aligned one way or
00:16:05.940the other um i imagine alex earl maybe probably leans our way a little bit i think so too
00:16:13.180but i don't think she has strong viewpoints maybe like the way you and i do and i think that's okay
00:16:19.980i think she can be an influencer i think she can be posting her content and i don't think anyone
00:16:24.860should ever demand anything from her politically and i think you and i if she made a statement
00:16:30.780tomorrow saying hey i supported kamala harris in 2024 i don't necessarily think it would change
00:16:35.820what we both view her content as for either of us and i think that's kind of how it should be and i
00:16:40.860wish we could go back to sort of allowing people to do that and make their own decisions and not
00:16:45.580affect her content. Now, if she started posting about, you know, Democrat policies and stuff,
00:16:50.380we probably wouldn't want to consume her content. But if she came out and said that
00:16:53.840and posted what she did, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't change my views on
00:16:57.680how I consume her content. No, I absolutely agree with that. I would still watch her stuff too.
00:17:04.500But in speaking about, I guess, you personally, obviously, having kind of been immersed in the
00:17:11.600political sphere do you feel like you ever get political fatigue if you will oh definitely this
00:17:19.940is something um i've been reflecting on a lot in the last really several months and i i think you
00:17:25.900probably will agree with some of these things i think what happened to us and a lot of the other
00:17:30.740women who sort of came up on the issue that we both worked a little bit of your background very1.00
00:17:35.840quickly too. Yes. Yeah. So everyone obviously knows Riley Gaines and her story, but I was
00:17:43.280teammates with the wonderful man, Leah Thomas, that Riley was forced to compete against at the
00:17:48.760NCAA championship. And so just talking about how it's unfair for a man to be in our locker room
00:17:53.520and on our sports team, but also I talked a lot about the censorship I faced from my university,
00:17:57.920from my conference and not speaking about how we thought it was unfair. So that's a quick
00:18:03.300background but really what I've thought and I think same thing probably goes for you is I never
00:18:10.140once wanted to be a person who grew up talking about politics like you and I probably voted
00:18:16.140had political opinions as we should but never once imagined this would be more than something you do
00:18:21.900when you're behind the closed door voting in the voting booth every four years every four years or
00:18:27.600or in local elections, whatever it might be. But because of this horrible leftist policy and
00:18:35.140basically framing of everything, we were forced to talk about politics, right?
00:18:40.620Their terrible policy decision making and whatever's going on in that camp that said,
00:18:45.820hey, a six foot four tall man can actually be a woman athlete forced us to talk about politics.0.95
00:18:52.000And so I think in a weird way, yeah, people have fatigue because not just on our issue,
00:18:56.940on a lot of issues certain people who had no you know desire to be in the political world were
00:19:04.380forced into it and i'm not saying that i regret speaking out or and i mean you absolutely don't
00:19:09.940either but do you know kind of what i'm saying like we were forced into speaking about this
00:19:14.720because they were so extreme because they were so radical because they pushed everyday average
00:19:20.380americans that never once needed to join this fight pushed us into it and so in that way yeah
00:19:25.100it feels exhausting. It's so true. I feel like it takes a certain type of person, whether it's to
00:19:31.660sit behind a camera with lights in your face, whether it's to, you know, be on a house floor
00:19:37.480of some, you know, state capital or even in Washington, D.C. It takes a special kind of
00:19:42.580person to want to do that or to be privy to it or to be natural at it. Of course, not every single
00:19:48.040person would thrive and succeed in that setting and that was not me like i was not that person
00:19:55.880even still quite frankly like it's not overly natural for me to do those things and so i
00:20:00.700absolutely agree with you and i think too the issue of men and women's sports i don't have
00:20:05.440anything new or profound even to say nothing that's overly wise it's unfair it's unsafe
00:20:13.780it's wrong we've been having this discussion for i mean speaking personally what nearly four years
00:20:19.900now i just don't even have anything new to add it's like beating a dead horse if we can't move
00:20:24.740the needle it does like i i certainly feel the fatigue as well and i think especially with
00:20:29.980the issues that circulate online now whether that be the constant incessant need to create
00:20:37.180these conspiracy theories and these totally outlandish things on an array of topics whether
00:20:42.660it be the bad actors that are constantly platformed people like nick fuentes whether it's
00:20:48.260uh what's going on in the middle east and foreign policy which truthfully i didn't know a lot about
00:20:55.620even still i would say i have a very very entry-level understanding there and i'm not going
00:21:00.100to act like i don't the political fatigue is certainly there but i guess in talking about
00:21:06.420kind of the middle east and and what's going on there one of the conversations that has been
00:21:12.340online is this obsession with israel it's beyond me honestly i don't understand it i don't get it
00:21:19.620people comment on my posts all the time saying you know you got you must have been paid seven
00:21:24.580thousand dollars the post to post this like really by who like i just it doesn't i don't even
00:21:29.380understand what they're saying okay i wanted to get your gauge as another gen z-er on the topic of
00:21:36.980israel like do you think this is an issue that young people care about or do you think this is
00:21:40.660mostly like online discussion yeah that's a thing this is an interesting thing that always comes up
00:21:47.920whenever you talk about the political realm which wasn't the case when we first started in this
00:21:52.440political world right like this was never something that ever was a big topic um my take on it is just
00:21:58.720it's a foreign policy issue which again i don't know a lot about my take is that i i'm kind of
00:22:07.480tired of hearing about it and this kind of goes maybe both ways it's it's really interesting that
00:22:12.900this just keeps coming up into conversation and I think both sides of this issue have in common
00:22:18.420that they can't stop talking about it right like even people who obviously I don't support Hamas
00:22:23.620I don't support you know that horrible situation going on and any conflict really but I don't I
00:22:30.760don't know anything I'm not getting briefed I don't work in the White House but there's this
00:22:34.620pressure for sort of young people to know about what's going on in foreign countries. I actually
00:22:41.540I'm a dual citizen and maybe I'm going to get canceled now by these people who are saying
00:22:45.460anyone who's not just 100% American is a horrible person, which we see online. And I still don't0.80
00:22:50.920fully understand the conflict going on. I'm a Taiwanese citizen for context for people.
00:22:55.280And I don't fully understand and grasp a lot of the things that go on over there with Taiwan and
00:22:59.640China. I know a lot. I know probably more than the average American, but I don't know everything.
00:23:04.620And I'm not going to try to sit here and say I'm a 26-year-old that has all the answers.
00:23:09.960And so it's really unfortunate, again, maybe you feel this way, that you have pressure maybe to
00:23:13.940comment on something you don't necessarily know about. And there's a lot of people going on
00:23:18.300online that are just saying things that they don't know anything about. They're not the
00:23:22.420president. They're not working in the White House. They're just saying whatever comes to mind.
00:23:27.000Yeah, transparently, I think with the platform that I have been blessed with, with millions of
00:23:33.040followers on X and TikTok and Instagram, I almost put pressure on myself to say something, right?
00:23:38.460Like people are looking for me. And actually, Ali Bestucki came on the show a few weeks ago,
00:23:42.500and we talked about this, where that pressure, you're putting it on you. I had to like take a
00:23:49.580step back and realize no one, Riley, is coming to you for their thoughts on Iran. Nobody. And
00:23:55.200you're insane if you think it. But I think it just comes with the platform, I guess.0.64
00:24:01.100so what issues is it do you think that young people care about right now i think the biggest
00:24:07.700thing and again also we're the same age so chime in too um is really just what's going on at home
00:24:14.820i think affordability i think something i look at is the number of kids that are not feeling
00:24:20.600independence from their parents right there's sort of before it used to be you move out when
00:24:25.320you're 18 maybe a little bit after that and then you sort of break away you get married you start
00:24:29.700of family, I'm looking at people who are my age, people who are even a little bit older,
00:24:34.100they're still maybe in their mid-30s, unmarried, living at home. And it's not because of failure
00:24:39.540of that person. It's because of the system now where you can't afford houses at the same price.
00:24:45.980The job markets are different. The base salary pay you have with inflation doesn't go as far.
00:24:51.680And I think that that's really what young people are feeling pressure. And so when we talk about
00:24:55.820foreign issues, there's a lot of fatigue because they're just saying, well, my day-to-day life is
00:24:59.900that I can't afford things the way my parents could. I can't have a house the same time my
00:25:05.400parents did when they were my age. And I really think that that's the root of all of it. And
00:25:10.220again, that's really what it all comes down to for young people. I don't think there's really
00:25:14.180anything else people think of. And when people talk about elections and number one issues,
00:25:20.300the thing that always comes up is really affordability. And I think, again, that continues
00:25:25.040to show and that's what i continue to see people talking about and complaining about and anything
00:25:29.760else that they're secondary thinking about is uh just trickle down from really that issue which is
00:25:35.440why when people promise free things it's so appealing it's so incentivizing you want to get
00:25:40.960out and vote for that person one of those people being mom donnie as you alluded to you live in new
00:25:45.760york city how is that going have you seen any major shift over the past few months i should
00:25:52.240should have taken a picture of this and sent it to you guys it's really funny because every bus
00:25:57.300has on the side of the bus it's not like what line it is it says fare is not free or some wording of
00:26:04.120that to remind people that even though mom donnie ran on the bus is being free you still very much
00:26:09.500do have to pay for the bus in new york city it is the funniest thing that you see every bus you pass
00:26:14.860by in new york so that's the one quick funny aside um yeah i mean we saw disasters with the snow
00:26:21.180storms uh that was a really big thing were these disgusting snow banks where um if you wanted to
00:26:27.120diet on any given day i recommend actually just walking out into the snow banks looking at the
00:26:32.360heroin needles uh trash uh you could see urine i hope they're from dogs but you never know
00:26:38.920just disgusting things in these snow banks that just stayed there for weeks crowded the sidewalk
00:26:44.240uh we were talking about this before i'll share this story quickly actually a friend get robbed
00:26:49.900because of the snowbank situation he was a couple doors away from home and these three guys approached
00:26:55.680him and he couldn't get around them because of this massive snowbank so he was sort of forced
00:27:00.180to engage with them and they ended up stealing his nice watch he was able to get away safe and
00:27:04.900sound and obviously went to the police and the police told him that these people have been had
00:27:09.720been doing it all through the winter so they really took advantage of the snowbank situation
00:27:13.900and of course the cops weren't able to do anything because conveniently the cameras on all the
00:27:18.780corners were not available and didn't get any clear image, which no surprise, if you report
00:27:24.800crime, oftentimes nothing happens. So I've heard that. I've seen more crazy people on the subways.
00:27:32.220I don't know. I mean, it's still early on. It's probably going to get worse. I'm just glad that
00:27:36.800we're coming into spring now where at least the snowbank situation is going to be obviously
00:27:41.560better. There's no more of that. So that is my one positive coming into summer.
00:27:45.780Have you noticed kind of like a mass exodus from places like New York, maybe even in the city to more conservative parts of the country, especially with taxes being increased in the city?
00:28:00.240Yeah, well, I'm sure you could probably talk about how your Nashville, Tennessee area is becoming overpopulated.
00:28:07.440I mean, yeah, it's pretty much every week we're having a go away party.
00:28:10.620I'm hearing Tennessee, Florida, I have so many friends that have moved to Florida. And I'm happy
00:28:16.560they moved to Florida because I have a place to go visit them. And I think it's probably going to
00:28:20.100be pretty soon when I go and join them. Because yeah, I don't know how much more we're going to
00:28:24.940be able to take here. But again, it's hard for me personally, because I have my family all in this
00:28:31.300area. And that's sort of why I'm here. It's great to be close to family. I really value that. And
00:28:37.360it's really, really hard. Of course, New York was always left-leaning, but this is too far,
00:28:42.620right? I could deal with maybe a sort of maybe Democrat lean place, but a place that's saying,
00:28:47.900hey, the buses are going to be free. Here's all of this stuff that you can't do. Increasing taxes
00:28:53.280and giving us nothing in return. A lot of people don't appeal to that. Yeah. Yeah. No, Tennessee,
00:28:59.880very much. We have felt the weight of people from California. I mean, you name the blue state,
00:29:06.500Even corporations. There's a big Facebook headquarters now in my hometown. In-N-Out has moved their headquarters to Nashville. Starbucks just announced that they're leaving Seattle, which is pretty crazy after a big tax bill was passed to come to Nashville.
00:29:21.440So certainly we are feeling it, which is of course good for the economy, but we don't have the infrastructure really to be able to support that, unfortunately.
00:29:35.220And so roads and traffic and school even, oh my gosh, my little sister's school, there's maybe 1,600 kids in this school and it's not a school that can support that.
00:29:47.420they're building those townhomes and condos and apartments everywhere down here and so i have a
00:29:53.440feeling that it's only going to get more crowded and more expensive and you have to predict it will
00:30:00.460only get more blue which that's the part that really kills me so we will see what the future
00:30:07.880looks like uh well paula you rock i always appreciate you coming on so thank you very very
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