Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Ep 127 | Michelle Malkin Special | Get Off My Lawn

00:00:10.000 Michelle, thank you for coming on the show.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for having me, Gavin.

00:00:15.000 Let's get started.

00:00:15.000 We've got a lot to talk about.

00:00:17.000 We do.

00:00:18.000 You know what I was just thinking about you recently?

00:00:21.000 You're Batman.

00:00:23.000 You come across as, not really Batman, but Bruce Wayne.

00:00:27.000 You act like when you were a kid, a thief killed your parents, and you have been obsessed with justice ever since.

00:00:38.000 You're consumed with justice in a very unique way.

00:00:43.000 I am.

00:00:44.000 And I think of late, over the last several years that I've had an opportunity to use my platform to delve into the stories of people who have been wronged by the government, by the media, that I've been forging common ground with people I never thought I'd work with.

00:01:08.000 So, I don't know, you could do the pop psychology thing on me.

00:01:11.000 Well, why aren't?

00:01:13.000 What happened to you?

00:01:14.000 Yeah, what did that thief do?

00:01:15.000 So it wasn't a thief.

00:01:17.000 I think I've occupied a unique position in my professional life, and that a lot of it can be explained by my upbringing, by my experiences.

00:01:27.000 And I think a lot of people who despise and hate and mock what I do would be perhaps enlightened to know about where I came from and what drives me.

00:01:39.000 Right.

00:01:39.000 So, of course, everybody knows because my life is an open book, that my parents came here from the Philippines in 1960.

00:01:47.000 Oh, we can tell by looking at you.

00:01:48.000 Yes, here.

00:01:50.000 Here.

00:01:50.000 And when I stand up, and you see.

00:01:55.000 And I do, of course, often mention that they came here legally because that is very important to the fabric of my being and the principles which I have espoused in my work for the last 25 years, whether it was my newspaper columns or my books that I've written or the brief fleeting appearances that I make where I try to make some kind of impact rather than just warm a seat and regurgitate talking points on cable TV.

00:02:25.000 And having grown up in rural South Jersey, in a small town, Ebseekin, New Jersey, in the shadow of a lot of the casinos, many of them built by Donald Trump.

00:02:38.000 Wow.

00:02:39.000 And that juxtaposition is interesting because you've got the gritty urban environment of and supposed redevelopment of Atlantic City.

00:02:48.000 And in the shadow of it, and I said rural, and I mean rural, there were Confederate flags hung around Absekin because people really did feel that they were more part of the South.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, you see that in upstate New York, too.

00:03:02.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:03:03.000 It puts the South in South Jersey. 0.56

00:03:06.000 And we were one of the first non-white families in the neighborhood.

00:03:12.000 I experienced the most violent type of explicit racism of people shouting at us at the supermarket to go home.

00:03:24.000 Did they get the racial epithet right?

00:03:26.000 It's flip, right?

00:03:27.000 It is flip, but no.

00:03:28.000 It was gook and chink. 1.00

00:03:30.000 No.

00:03:31.000 Just get your insults right.

00:03:31.000 I know.

00:03:33.000 I'm a flip, goddammit. 0.97

00:03:34.000 That's right. 0.99

00:03:35.000 Get your racism right.

00:03:37.000 And internalizing that very early on and detesting identity politics before I even knew the phrase.

00:03:46.000 That's an interesting reaction because a lot of people would go the other way and be a victim.

00:03:51.000 And so this I attribute to my tiger mom, who I would say is worse than a tiger mom, better than a tiger mom, a mountain lion mom, who immediately ingrained in both of her children the hostility towards a victimhood mentality.

00:04:10.000 Get over it.

00:04:12.000 Cry a few tears, but pity them, not yourself.

00:04:16.000 Well, my parents are immigrants, and I'm an immigrant here in America, and I think that it gives you a new perspective.

00:04:22.000 And we're seeing a lot of immigrates, I call them.

00:04:25.000 I have to borrow that and pay you a royalty.

00:04:25.000 Yes, I love that.

00:04:28.000 But back in the 70s, there was a lot of Indians coming over to Canada, too, and it was just nothing but gratitude. 0.99

00:04:34.000 Everyone was thankful.

00:04:36.000 We pledged allegiance to the Queen when we got her citizenship.

00:04:39.000 Remember, Henry Ford, he had a machine where you would go in as an immigrant in this big, it was literally a giant melting pot. 1.00

00:04:47.000 He built a giant pot, and you would go in it, and you come out carrying a flag.

00:04:51.000 And I feel like that, this immigrate thing is relatively recent.

00:04:51.000 Wow.

00:04:56.000 Yes.

00:04:56.000 Because you talk to Cubans who came here after Shea and Fidel, and they love this country.

00:05:03.000 Yes.

00:05:04.000 When did they?

00:05:04.000 What happened?

00:05:05.000 Well, you know, I think maybe that that exists, but it's the silent majority.

00:05:09.000 And it's really the elevation of this creature, this tool of the progressive left, of the immigrate dreamer, who certainly doesn't represent the masses of people who recede into the background on purpose by the media, that will not reflect their voices.

00:05:36.000 So that was a huge part of rejecting identity politics, but then also understanding the need to speak out.

00:05:51.000 And then, of course, I had my entire Oberlin college experience.

00:05:56.000 I was shy when I was in grade school.

00:06:00.000 I failed my seventh grade speech class.

00:06:04.000 I was terrified of people's eyes looking at me.

00:06:09.000 I have a lot of family pictures where I can't look at the camera.

00:06:13.000 I was always looking down.

00:06:15.000 I was that.

00:06:17.000 Stoic Asian girl. 0.96

00:06:19.000 Yes, yes.

00:06:21.000 But I felt in a way that I had to make a choice in college because I had a lot of condescending, especially liberal white women and of course the militant students of color. 1.00

00:06:36.000 Well at Oberlin you also had the staff oppressing the left.

00:06:40.000 Yes, that's right.

00:06:41.000 And I've told the story many times to young college audiences of how I was ignited by Dinesh D'Souza, who we had invited to come to campus.

00:06:52.000 My husband and I ran a student monthly publication, conservative publication.

00:06:59.000 He had just written Illiberal Education, and he came to speak at this beautiful chapel at the Oberlin College campus, Finney Chapel.

00:07:06.000 And it was administrators and faculty who stood up, turned their backs, and chanted, Dinesh Dinesh, Dinesh DeSouza.

00:07:13.000 Do not let the white man use you.

00:07:17.000 So that's always been a theme of my work.

00:07:20.000 But in terms of justice, what I've been doing lately is highlighting the cases of individuals who were wrongly accused and wrongly convicted of the worst kind of heinous crimes.

00:07:36.000 And my problem with so much of the progressive left in the media is that some individuals who have been wrongfully convicted are more equal than others.

00:07:49.000 Not because people actually care consistently about justice, but because these are tools for some people in the media and they serve a purpose, a political and ideological purpose.

00:07:59.000 There's a lot of social status in freeing, say, the Central Park five.

00:08:03.000 Right.

00:08:04.000 Who I think were guilty.

00:08:07.000 I haven't looked at the specifics of the case, but what my new reaction is to any of these cases that come forward is I need to know all the facts before I decide.

00:08:19.000 And I don't think that there's enough intellectual humility, certainly on cable TV, where you have to have insta opinion.

00:08:28.000 And having taken the time to look into individual cases and understand how much effort is needed to get to the bottom of the truth, I've rethought a lot of things.

00:08:39.000 You know, one of the most important epiphanies that I've had over the last two years is rethinking my position on the death penalty and feeling shame about having spoken up about cases that I knew very little about.

00:08:54.000 Well, there's a real dehumanization of prisoners.

00:08:58.000 And I think with freeing wrongfully convicted, there's a hierarchy there where it's cool to have black guys and stuff.

00:09:06.000 But a cop convicted of rape, that doesn't have the same kind of excitement for some reason. 0.78

00:09:11.000 It's radioactive.

00:09:13.000 It's radioactive.

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 He must have done it.

00:09:15.000 Yes.

00:09:16.000 And that was my reaction when Daniel Holtclaw, the former Oklahoma City police officer who we spotlighted in the debut for Michelle Malkin Investigates two years ago in December 2016, that's the reaction I had when I saw him as the verdict was announced and he broke out into tears.

00:09:36.000 And I just knee-jerk, felt the same way that everybody did who was flooding Twitter with their glee about the case.

00:09:47.000 And it was celebrities who knew nothing, nothing, not a single fact.

00:09:52.000 If you asked them, tell me one fact about the case, would just sit there silently.

00:09:59.000 Crickets would be chirping.

00:10:01.000 It's like the stalks, you know, in the 700s where we just throw fruit at them, rotten fruit, as they sit there with their hands like that.

00:10:10.000 There's this real, what are they called, bystander effect, where you lose sympathy when you're in a mob?

00:10:15.000 Yes.

00:10:16.000 And you know, just to go back a little bit, and I know we're zigzagging back and forth here.

00:10:20.000 I should have had you had Drama mean before we started.

00:10:24.000 But I've had a very interesting journalism career.

00:10:28.000 And there will be a lot of people on the left that will snicker at my calling myself a journalist when none of them, you look at the leading lights on cable TV on the left.

00:10:39.000 Look at Rachel Maddow. 0.67

00:10:41.000 She's a smart woman.

00:10:42.000 I understand that.

00:10:43.000 But Air America was where she was.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, what's her canon?

00:10:46.000 Anderson Cooper.

00:10:48.000 Right.

00:10:48.000 And whereas I can have, have, have worked for two major metropolitan newspapers, have sustained a syndicated newspaper column for 24 years, started up my own companies, you the same, who will never be considered journalists.

00:11:05.000 And yes, you have to put all 20 O's and O's in it.

00:11:09.000 But along my journey, especially the experiences that I had doing the shoe leather work on investigative stories in local communities, this is my epiphany.

00:11:21.000 This is what has led me to this moment of this weekend debuting and screening this episode, Railroaded, Surviving Wrongful Convictions, in front of the Manhattan Film Festival, looking at these stories and questioning, always questioning, isn't it the left who always says, question authority, right?

00:11:41.000 They put it on a bumper sticker and they're so proud of themselves.

00:11:45.000 And yet, at the newspapers that I worked for, so many of the reporters and editors were in bed proudly with the authority that they were supposed to be questioning.

00:11:56.000 And it had nothing to do with whether they had a D or an R by their name.

00:12:01.000 And it wasn't just on these justice issues, it was on corporate welfare issues.

00:12:06.000 Wait a minute, you're always slamming Republicans for doing the bidding of the suits.

00:12:12.000 And yet you're the ones that are collaborating because it's in your interest for advertising dollars from all of the department stores and certainly with the sports palaces, that they used hardworking people's taxpayers' dollars to subsidize those massive stadiums.

00:12:30.000 And every year the sports teams would come and demand new stadiums every 10 years.

00:12:36.000 Now they wanted a retractable roof.

00:12:38.000 And there was your editorial page crusading for stealing people's money and redistributing it to the crony fat cats that you say only Republicans serve.

00:12:49.000 So many of them, I think they saw, this is a crazy theory, but I think they saw the Dustin Hoffman Robert Redford movie about Watergate.

00:12:56.000 And that became cool.

00:12:56.000 Yes.

00:12:58.000 So now being a journalist is a fashion to them, and they want to blog at Huff Poe and Slate and Salon and Village Voice.

00:13:07.000 They don't care about the truth and they don't do the work, they just follow the trends.

00:13:11.000 And you realize if you're to do the nitty-gritty of journalism, it is co cold calling.

00:13:17.000 It is like there in Bill McGowan's book, Coloring the News, he talks about third trimester abortions and how there was only it happens very, very rarely.

00:13:27.000 And some woman just sat on the phone calling all the clinics in America, thousands, not thousands, hundreds of clinics, and she got a crazy number of like it happens once a month.

00:13:40.000 And then she realized there's thousands and thousands of third trimester abortions going on. 1.00

00:13:45.000 And they went back to the doctor that said it's rare, and he said, I just thought it was for the greater good that I say that.

00:13:51.000 And we're seeing less and less of that these days.

00:13:54.000 And it's this culture that we have now of witch hunts.

00:13:59.000 Yes, it is.

00:14:01.000 So when I was working at the Seattle Times in the mid to late 1990s, there was a rash of these witch hunt prosecutions.

00:14:11.000 There was hysteria over alleged abuse of children at daycare centers.

00:14:16.000 Do you remember the McMartin daycare center case?

00:14:20.000 That was in California, and it has set off this wave of hysteria.

00:14:24.000 And so a lot of these daycare workers came from white working class backgrounds or had limited mental capacity.

00:14:33.000 And they were manipulated and exploited by rogue police detectives who worked in cahoots with prosecutors who wanted to make a name for themselves.

00:14:44.000 So in the mid-1990s, one of these supposed sex rings was identified in Wenatchee, Washington, so in the state of Washington in eastern Washington.

00:14:55.000 And this thing ran out of control.

00:14:58.000 The conflicts of interest would have been clear to anyone whose eyes were opened because the lead detective who was accusing what he called a cult of Christians, there was a daycare center that was led by a pastor, Pastor Roby Roberson,

00:15:15.000 what happened was the detective took his own stepdaughter, and it was modern-day Salem, Massachusetts, and he took her on a ride around town, and she would just point to which houses were responsible for alleged abuse.

00:15:32.000 And the entire phenomenon of implanted memories came out.

00:15:37.000 There was a fantastic psychologist who spoke up against what was happening.

00:15:43.000 Her name was Elizabeth Loftus.

00:15:45.000 She wrote a book about this and exposed it.

00:15:48.000 But not until after many innocent people had been thrown behind bars, their lives and reputations destroyed.

00:15:55.000 What could be, there are few things that could be worse than being accused of being part of a sex ring molesting child, children in a disease.

00:16:02.000 Did they get killed in prison?

00:16:04.000 Yes, yes.

00:16:06.000 And so it wasn't until citizen journalists, and this was really sort of, and this is the pre-blog, pre-social media era.

00:16:17.000 How do you get, it's like the underground in Russia with a samistat.

00:16:22.000 There were citizen journalists who were printing up the truth and uncovering evidence and then Xeroxing it and passing it out.

00:16:30.000 The Seattle Times wouldn't cover it.

00:16:32.000 The local paper in Wenatchee wouldn't cover it.

00:16:35.000 It was talk radio, the early days of local talk radio, that was able to spread the word about these things.

00:16:41.000 And again, to exonerate someone on average takes 11 to 12 years.

00:16:46.000 But in this case, one of the wrongly convicted people died in prison before he was able to clear his name.

00:16:56.000 So you've become a major player in a scene I didn't know existed, but it's the right-wing exoneration scene.

00:17:03.000 I suppose you've just dubbed this, I guess it's a new phenomenon.

00:17:09.000 But I am trying to make inroads with people who otherwise wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole.

00:17:15.000 I don't care if they insult me to my face.

00:17:19.000 My commitment is to continue covering Daniel Holzklaw's story until he is free.

00:17:26.000 So we'll not rescue him.

00:17:27.000 So what happened?

00:17:28.000 What's the truth?

00:17:29.000 Because I saw there was crazy conflicting stories about descriptions.

00:17:34.000 They were saying he was small and he's like six foot two or something.

00:17:38.000 Yes, people can watch the two-part series.

00:17:41.000 We made it available for free on CRTV.

00:17:44.000 And it's also on the CR-TV and Michelle Malkin YouTube channels.

00:17:48.000 So you can get a taste of not just the conflicting stories, but the manner in which two police detectives massaged the stories of accusers who came forward.

00:18:03.000 It's almost unfathomable to get your arms around how 13 women, prompted initially by one woman who made her story public, shopped it around after she had been stopped by Daniel in June 2014, late at the end of his shift.

00:18:22.000 There was no body cam or dash cam.

00:18:24.000 And Daniel always says, if there had been, this nightmare would have never have happened.

00:18:28.000 He would have lived his happy life without having had to swallow the red pill and be behind bars for 263 years.

00:18:37.000 This initial accuser acted very strangely during a 10-minute traffic stop.

00:18:43.000 There is surveillance video of it.

00:18:45.000 We highlight it in the Daniel and the Den series, but it's not close enough to be able to make out silhouettes.

00:18:54.000 But you can see, you can track where he had put his flashlight up as a matter of routine in northeast Oklahoma City where he patrolled.

00:19:06.000 This is one of the most drug-infested crimes.

00:19:09.000 It's the south central LA of Oklahoma City.

00:19:12.000 There's a lot of drug dealing going on, cartels, gang activity.

00:19:17.000 And it is an unfortunate fact of life that you will have to be searched if there's any kind of suspicion that you are carrying drugs.

00:19:24.000 So there's a maneuver called the classmen shake to make sure that you don't have any drugs in your bra. 1.00

00:19:30.000 When I go visit Daniel at prison, I have to do the classmen shake.

00:19:34.000 It's rather unobjectionable to me.

00:19:36.000 I get it.

00:19:36.000 You've got to do your job.

00:19:38.000 And in fact, we were at the prison when there was a woman and a child who had just finished up a visit, and it turned out that she had tried to smuggle drugs into the prison.

00:19:49.000 And so, anyway, you can see where he shines the light to make sure that nothing falls onto the ground, but you can't see that any kind of illicit activity happened. 0.97

00:19:58.000 And this woman claimed that Daniel demanded that she give him a 10-second blowjob. 1.00

00:20:07.000 He's, oh my God. 0.98

00:20:08.000 Now, let me tell you about the physical impossibility.

00:20:13.000 I'm not going to say improbability that this could have happened.

00:20:16.000 Daniel wears compression underwear.

00:20:18.000 It doesn't have a hole.

00:20:19.000 She claimed that he just whipped it out and it just appeared there.

00:20:23.000 Wow.

00:20:24.000 If you know any police officer, you know all of the accoutrements and all of the heavy equipment that they wear every single day.

00:20:31.000 It takes them a couple minutes to do that.

00:20:32.000 So he's huge, right?

00:20:34.000 He's 6'1 ⁇ , more than 250 pounds.

00:20:38.000 It's massive.

00:20:39.000 And in fact, because of the interrogation video that he sat through, of his interrogation that he sat through with the detectives, they show him having to take his shirt off.

00:20:50.000 He has massive arms, okay?

00:20:53.000 They're massive.

00:20:54.000 He cannot take the shirt off.

00:20:56.000 You know how we just sort of whip our shirts off because his arms were massive.

00:21:00.000 He was a football player, star, almost made it through the NFL draft.

00:21:05.000 That was his dream.

00:21:07.000 But at the end of your shirt, there are these elastics with buttonholes in them.

00:21:13.000 And they extend all the way down to a button that's attached to your sock to keep your shirt tucked in.

00:21:21.000 Stretched taut.

00:21:23.000 Then you've got your bulletproof vest underneath it, as well as a double belt.

00:21:29.000 Not just a single, but it doubles over, covering your entire area here.

00:21:34.000 And the fly of the pants is over that.

00:21:39.000 And remember, he's wearing compression underwear.

00:21:41.000 So this was a, I think the stop was a total of about 15 minutes.

00:21:46.000 But his actual time that he would have been able to spend with this woman, he would not have been able to get all of that stuff off.

00:21:54.000 I don't need to trivialize it with humor, but even if they were two people madly in love, and she had suggested that, he'd say, leave me tonight at the hotel.

00:22:04.000 I love you too, honey, but we don't have time.

00:22:07.000 Yes, I mean, all of it is so absurd, but this first stop, of course, is what set the table for everything that came after.

00:22:17.000 Because a lead detective, a woman who clearly had an agenda, Kim Davis, and we show the extended interview that I had with him.

00:22:27.000 By the way, the last interview that they have ever granted to a member of the media because it was a disaster for them.

00:22:34.000 Really?

00:22:35.000 Because I simply asked innocent questions.

00:22:37.000 And at that point, I had done as much homework as I could to prepare, but I did not know everything.

00:22:42.000 But I was not supposed to ask questions.

00:22:46.000 Questions like, well, why didn't you interview the accuser?

00:22:51.000 Why didn't you record the interview of the accuser at the hospital?

00:22:56.000 It's supposed to be standard practice.

00:22:59.000 And in fact, they recorded selectively the interviews with other accusers after they had properly massaged the stories to match up with the so-called evidence that they had about where Daniel was and when.

00:23:15.000 A lot of these accusers came forward, manufactured stories, came up with specific locations where Daniel had never been.

00:23:24.000 Records never showed that he was.

00:23:25.000 So what happened was these stories would morph over time until finally they matched the prefabricated evidence against him.

00:23:35.000 And so the initial accuser was not recorded by either audio or video.

00:23:41.000 And we have around tape and we show this.

00:23:42.000 And when I have done screenings across the country, people audibly gasp when Kim Davis, the detective, says, well, I only use a recorder when we are dealing with cases involving a police officer.

00:23:56.000 And I sort of just subtly blink.

00:23:59.000 I said, well, this one does involve a police officer.

00:24:03.000 Well, we don't do that.

00:24:07.000 And I didn't have one anyway.

00:24:09.000 Well, why are there recordings of all of these other accusers?

00:24:14.000 And there's no explanation.

00:24:16.000 Wow.

00:24:16.000 And it just devolves from there.

00:24:21.000 There was a perfect storm that led to Daniel's conviction.

00:24:24.000 And remembering that we had under the last years of the Obama administration this violent anti-cop movement, not just stoked by Black Lives Matters, but a lot of their sort of satellite groups across the country.

00:24:40.000 Sure.

00:24:41.000 And that literally, that was the summer of Ferguson where cities were burning.

00:24:46.000 You know, the riots in Baltimore.

00:24:49.000 And Oklahoma City did not want to become the next Ferguson.

00:24:55.000 And so Daniel Holtzklaw became the sacrificial lamb railroaded by members of his own department, the Brotherhood. 0.91

00:25:07.000 Remember with Larry King, we had the same thing where the cop got off and then everyone got too mad.

00:25:07.000 It's terrifying.

00:25:12.000 Rodney King, yeah.

00:25:13.000 So they just put him back in.

00:25:14.000 Yeah, Rodney King.

00:25:15.000 Yes.

00:25:16.000 They said, okay, okay, I'm sorry.

00:25:18.000 I'll just throw him back in prison.

00:25:20.000 Yes.

00:25:21.000 The evidence somehow magically changes.

00:25:23.000 Yes.

00:25:23.000 Well, the thing that scares me about all this is you start wondering, well, how many bad guys are in prison?

00:25:31.000 How many of them did it?

00:25:32.000 What percentage...

00:25:35.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 And they say a lot of different things.

00:25:39.000 They say 5% of the people in prison are incompatible with society and have to be there.

00:25:44.000 5.

00:25:45.000 Another thing I heard was 95%, this is just guys guessing, right, out of the people they knew.

00:25:52.000 He said 95 to 100 is drugs.

00:25:54.000 All drugs.

00:25:55.000 Even domestic abuse was drugs.

00:25:58.000 Or robbing a drug Dealer or turf fights over drugs, drugs, drugs.

00:26:03.000 He said, I looked around me in prison.

00:26:06.000 There's a guy talking that was an excon and he had robbed a drug dealer.

00:26:09.000 And he goes, everyone I looked at was there for some sort of drug-related thing.

00:26:14.000 And it scared me because you think, is this entire prison industry just built on the drug war or, you know, someone being thrown in jail because it's culturally convenient?

00:26:29.000 Yes, I'm glad you brought that up.

00:26:31.000 When I was at the Seattle Times, I was the biggest Bill Bennett war on drugs style warrior.

00:26:42.000 And my views on many things related to the war on drugs have evolved over the years.

00:26:48.000 And I've talked about this and written about this publicly, but I was in a debate on one of the first medical pot initiatives.

00:26:57.000 And Washington State really was where they tested this.

00:27:01.000 And yes, there were a lot of left-wing progressive Soros types that were behind the funding for it.

00:27:08.000 But I met a man named Ralph Seeley, who was studying for his law degree at the University of Washington, but who was also dying.

00:27:17.000 He had a rare lung carcinoma.

00:27:21.000 And he had enlisted a professor and doctor at the University of Washington who was trying to help him to be able to have medical marijuana.

00:27:33.000 The pill wasn't working.

00:27:34.000 I mean, they did have marinol, and here's the government saying, well, that's enough for you.

00:27:38.000 That's fine.

00:27:39.000 When it didn't work for him.

00:27:42.000 And he just talked about the waste of billions of dollars on the futile war on drugs and how people who considered them constitutional conservatives should see this in the same light that they saw the Second Amendment as a right that should be protected and exercised to choose the form of treatment that works best for you.

00:28:08.000 Anyway, on a related matter, I became very interested in civil asset forfeiture and the abuse of drug abatement laws to shut down law-abiding businesses in the eastern part of Seattle, which was being gentrified by big money developers in cahoots with the district attorney and the police department.

00:28:28.000 And I did an investigative series for my op-ed column.

00:28:31.000 This was not on the news pages of the Seattle Times, but yes, even op-ed columnists can commit journalism.

00:28:39.000 And I crusaded on the behalf of a soul food restaurant, a couple that owned a soul food restaurant called Oscars.

00:28:47.000 And what happened was the police department was sending in paid undercover informants who would just go secretly smoke crack in the bathroom and then would come out and tell the police department, oh, hey, I just smoked crack in the bathroom.

00:29:03.000 And then they would punish and ticket Oscar McCoy and his wife Barbara for not stopping illicit drug use in the bathroom. 0.93

00:29:11.000 They used this because the McCoy's would not sell their restaurant to them at the low bid price that the developers wanted from them.

00:29:21.000 So they were trying to criminalize their conduct as business owners in the district.

00:29:26.000 And they weren't the only ones that this was happening to.

00:29:30.000 So I wrote about their case, and they had a young crusading ACLU lawyer in Seattle, David Oddsgood, and he challenged the constitutionality of the law and went all the way to the state Supreme Court and they repealed the law as unconstitutional, as an unconstitutional taking.

00:29:50.000 And so now fast forward, just to make it relevant.

00:29:55.000 I am a big cheerleader of Jeff Sessions' enforcement of immigration laws.

00:30:03.000 But on all things related to whether it's medical marijuana or the empowerment of these overzealous prosecutors to collect civil asset forfeiture, I think it's horrific.

00:30:19.000 You know, we talk about, everyone talks about the deep state, right?

00:30:22.000 But this is the police state.

00:30:25.000 Well, I'm glad that we brought it all together here because what I appreciate so much about your work is people using prisons as weapons.

00:30:34.000 And we initially made them from the Magna Carta to get murderers, rapists, and pedophiles off the street and ideally rehabilitated, but at least protect the citizens.

00:30:44.000 And now we're seeing it as a tool that people use.

00:30:47.000 You can lie about rape, get revenge on a cop, you can just sweep up.

00:30:52.000 Everyone's doing drugs. 0.99

00:30:54.000 Let's get those people out of here. 1.00

00:30:56.000 Remember Nikula, Basley Nikula, or whatever his name was, the guy who did the Muhammad video?

00:31:01.000 Yes, right.

00:31:02.000 So Hillary Clinton says, we're throwing him in jail to one of the Marines' fathers, right?

00:31:08.000 And he didn't like that because he said, what's his crime?

00:31:11.000 And she didn't say this, but what she was basically saying was, woof, think of something.

00:31:17.000 And they did.

00:31:18.000 They found that he had violated his parole by using a fake name in the credits.

00:31:22.000 But we saw what happened to Van Gogh's grandson when he put his real name in the credits.

00:31:22.000 Yes.

00:31:26.000 You get a rapier through your chest.

00:31:28.000 Theo Van Gogh.

00:31:29.000 Right.

00:31:29.000 So he dared to not put his name there so he wouldn't get stabbed.

00:31:34.000 And we throw him in jail for that.

00:31:36.000 And what really disturbed me about that case was Fox News guys, like Republicans, conservatives, they shrugged.

00:31:43.000 And they went, well, he shouldn't have violated his parole.

00:31:45.000 And I'd always say to them, what was the violation?

00:31:48.000 And they never knew.

00:31:49.000 So we have this culture of vilification and witch hunts.

00:31:54.000 And then we have this total apathy, you know, when it happens to these people.

00:31:59.000 There's really no sense of justice.

00:32:01.000 And the reason it scares me is because the mob, the culture is even worse than the law sometimes.

00:32:08.000 Look at the way they're so happy they get someone fired without looking up the facts.

00:32:12.000 Or there's a rumor.

00:32:13.000 Someone puts a picture on Instagram and there's a rumor that it was this comedian that was dating her at the time and she has a bruise.

00:32:19.000 So his career is completely ruined.

00:32:21.000 I mean, free speech law makes it to the Supreme Court.

00:32:24.000 They usually err on the side of the First Amendment.

00:32:26.000 But not the people.

00:32:28.000 The people want blood.

00:32:30.000 Yes.

00:32:31.000 So it's that witch hunt culture, the social justice mob culture, and then the lemming-like quality that we breed in the public schools. 1.00

00:32:46.000 And this inability to truly inculcate independent thinking.

00:32:54.000 And so it's an interesting time to be talking to you as we have this sort of cultural outbreak.

00:32:59.000 And, you know, we talked about how whether this is a fleeting thing, it's a bad.

00:33:04.000 I think it's a something.

00:33:06.000 I really do that you've got, you know, Kanye West out there and Chinch the rapper and Diamond and Silicon on Capitol Hill.

00:33:17.000 It feels different to me.

00:33:20.000 And I think maybe it's the catalyst of having immediate social media response to it so we can see how crazy the left is responding to it, which is edifying.

00:33:32.000 But I worry in the long run.

00:33:34.000 Like I look at the cases that I've highlighted of people who wouldn't have gotten the time of day if not for CRTV and the ability to work outside of these traditional media.

00:33:49.000 And there's so much laziness and complacency and fear and fecklessness.

00:33:58.000 I'm disgusted by it.

00:34:00.000 I mean, I wake up every day and it's not just Daniel's case that I worry about.

00:34:05.000 In the last several media appearances that I have done, I've gotten three dozen emails now from people begging me to look into their cases.

00:34:15.000 And I don't have the time and it's almost a guilt of knowing that I see and I can't help everybody.

00:34:25.000 And I want to go get a law degree so I can work a law firm so I can do more.

00:34:31.000 And I've done everything in my power, blessed as I have been after 25 years, to be able to pull strings or make connections or steer people in the right direction or even just to mention, even if I can just do a tweet or a retweet about somebody else's case, even if I can't plunge into it for the next six months.

00:34:54.000 And there's this, you know, when we did the Enid screening in Enid, Oklahoma, of this railroad roaded episode that we're screening at the Manhattan Film Festival, I likened it to going to an eye doctor.

00:35:07.000 You know that machine that they put in front of you, it's called a faux ropter, right?

00:35:11.000 And they, and I always dreaded this test because I was like, am I doing the right answer?

00:35:17.000 Because they say, is this better or worse?

00:35:19.000 And it looks blurry and you're like looking and you're trying to see something.

00:35:22.000 It feels subjective.

00:35:23.000 Is it better or worse or is it the same?

00:35:25.000 And sometimes I feel like I'm guessing.

00:35:27.000 But then there's a moment where both eyes align and you can see clearly.

00:35:32.000 And I always remember that phrase, is it better or worse?

00:35:35.000 Because I feel that way when you do finally come to an epiphany and learn the truth about a particular case that you thought you had the right answer to or that you thought you knew the truth.

00:35:49.000 And then you realize you see clearly.

00:35:51.000 And is it better or is it worse?

00:35:54.000 Because a lot of times it's worse to know the truth.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 You know, you're making me think that this lack of red pilling might just be a natural reaction to the horror of the truth.

00:36:06.000 I mean, we're obese physically.

00:36:08.000 Right.

00:36:08.000 So we're mentally obese too.

00:36:10.000 We go, I don't want to work out.

00:36:12.000 Like, I honestly believe we don't see what's going on in South Africa on TV because it's too horrific and people are eating dinner and they just cannot handle the carnage.

00:36:22.000 Maybe our brains just shut down and we go, you know what, that Nikula Basley guy, he's probably just bad.

00:36:28.000 Get him in jail.

00:36:29.000 Because the thought of all these men in cages is just, our brains malfunction.

00:36:34.000 I've often thought that about 9-11 truthers. 0.97

00:36:37.000 They just, it has to be us.

00:36:38.000 We did it.

00:36:39.000 The government did it.

00:36:41.000 It can't, terror can't be that real.

00:36:43.000 My brain can't handle it.

00:36:46.000 And that's why we dehumanize prisoners, because the thought of millions of men in cages, like a giant farm, like a mass slaughterhouse, just destroys us.

00:36:57.000 Yes.

00:36:57.000 You know, the University of Michigan Law School has been keeping track of exoneration since, I think, 1982 or 83.

00:37:05.000 And so their official statistic is that 2,000 people have been exonerated of crimes that they did not commit.

00:37:12.000 And I know that that is a vast undercount.

00:37:16.000 Yes.

00:37:17.000 Because you know who it doesn't include?

00:37:19.000 All of the people who were executed who were innocent.

00:37:23.000 And so, and I have been focusing particularly on Oklahoma because I believe that there is something uniquely wrong with Oklahoma.

00:37:32.000 Remember that Thomas Frank book from several years ago?

00:37:34.000 It was called What's the Matter with Kansas?

00:37:36.000 I think, and I'm not saying this, please publishers do not call me, but What's the Matter with Oklahoma?

00:37:42.000 Okay, they're going to be reinstituting, there was a moratorium on the death penalty because one of these gruesome death penalty botched events happened where they got the combination of the injection drugs wrong.

00:37:59.000 Oh, I remember that.

00:38:00.000 And the man suffered for hours before they finally got it right.

00:38:07.000 Well, they're resuming the executions in 2019.

00:38:10.000 And this is at a time when I know that every institution in that state has been corrupted by this zeal to just put people behind bars, put notches on a belt.

00:38:25.000 And it is unclear to me how many people have been executed who were innocent, in large part because of collusion between rogue forensic chemists and DAs who are trying to get re-elected.

00:38:37.000 It's haunting, isn't it?

00:38:38.000 I talked to a corrections officer once, and he said, sometimes I think a third of these people here are for domestics.

00:38:45.000 And that's drug-related too, right?

00:38:47.000 Because you're in a tumultuous relationship because you're high and drunk, and you end up in a fight.

00:38:51.000 She calls the cops. 0.95

00:38:52.000 Now it's a domestic.

00:38:54.000 He gets restraining order just naturally.

00:38:56.000 And then they fall back in love A year later or months later, he moves back in.

00:39:03.000 That's a violation of the restraining order.

00:39:05.000 So then they get in another fight because they're drunk or high, and then she calls the cops again.

00:39:10.000 As far as the law sees, this guy with the restraining order crawled in through the window and is stalking her.

00:39:16.000 Even though he has a sock drawer there and there's his posters on the wall, that's irrelevant.

00:39:20.000 So she changed her mind, but he's gone.

00:39:23.000 And this corrections officer is telling me there's thousands of these cases of love affairs gone awry.

00:39:30.000 Yes.

00:39:31.000 And revenge.

00:39:32.000 Yes, revenge.

00:39:33.000 So two of the exoneres that I highlight in Railroaded are law enforcement officers, one Ray Spencer in Washington State, whose ex-wife was having an affair with the internal affairs detective who launched this case against Ray Spencer.

00:39:51.000 The ex-wife claimed that Ray had molested his own children.

00:39:56.000 They were both very young, and very much like the Wenatchee case that I told you about and the McMartin case, these kids had memories falsely implanted in them.

00:40:07.000 He was sent to jail for life.

00:40:10.000 And this is a cop sent to prison for molesting his own children.

00:40:16.000 It took him 20 years, and he's tough as nails.

00:40:21.000 He survived that.

00:40:24.000 And he earned his master's in psychology while he was behind bars.

00:40:30.000 And his children, once they reached adulthood, realized that they had been lied to and that they had lied.

00:40:38.000 And they lost their father.

00:40:39.000 They lost their father.

00:40:41.000 They came forward with the truth.

00:40:44.000 And he was pardoned by the then governor of Washington State, Gary Locke.

00:40:49.000 He sued a conspiracy civil rights lawsuit, won a $9 million jury settlement that was then blocked by a corrupt local judge.

00:41:03.000 He had to go to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to get that jury settlement reinstated.

00:41:10.000 His lawyer, Kathleen Zellner, is the most winningest exoneration lawyer in the country.

00:41:17.000 Also now represents Daniel Holzclaw as he is fighting civil suits by all of these lying accusers who are trying to collect.

00:41:24.000 They're represented by Benjamin Crump, the lawyer who represented Trayvon Martin's family and Michael Brown's family, is trying to fashion himself as the Al Sharpton of 2018.

00:41:38.000 And it shows you that, and by the way, that jury resettlement, even though it was restored by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, by the time it went to arbitration for the county to pay up, was slashed to a fraction of what had been originally awarded by the jury.

00:41:57.000 There's no justice.

00:41:59.000 No amount of money can compensate for the destruction that these people are responsible for.

00:42:06.000 I'm shocked he's alive.

00:42:08.000 You know, I think a part of this is society, civilized societies, have trouble fathoming that women are capable of. 1.00

00:42:16.000 Women can lie about sexual assault. 1.00

00:42:18.000 And when you talk to cops, the numbers they give you are insane. 0.99

00:42:21.000 The number of times they said, look, the reason I'm a cop is to catch murderers, rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, bad guys. 0.99

00:42:29.000 This guy, if he raped you, he's a bad guy. 1.00

00:42:32.000 He's going to jail. 0.98

00:42:33.000 But if you're just mad at him because you guys are breaking up or something, you've got to understand that not only will he go to prison, but you will be punished.

00:42:41.000 If we find out you're lying, that's a crime.

00:42:44.000 So what you're doing here has serious consequences.

00:42:47.000 We're not just going to rough him up.

00:42:49.000 He's going to go away for 15 years, and then you could go away too if you're lying.

00:42:54.000 And they tell me, I'm scared to say the number because I hate how this sounds, but I can just tell you what one cop told me.

00:43:01.000 He said 90% of the time, they say, all right, forget it.

00:43:05.000 Yes.

00:43:05.000 Now, I'm not saying that 90% of rapes are lies by any means.

00:43:09.000 I'm just telling you an anecdotal story from a cop, but it scares me when I think about it.

00:43:13.000 So I can offer some more background on that as well.

00:43:17.000 Brent Turvey is a leading forensic scientist, and he is one of six scientists that signed a report decimating the forensic evidence and the way that the police conducted the investigation of Daniel Holzklaw.

00:43:32.000 He's written numerous textbooks that are considered the gold standard on many investigative issues.

00:43:38.000 And one of his most recent books, in fact, is the most recent book, I have a copy of it that I want to give to you, is called False Allegations.

00:43:45.000 And he actually looked at the statistics that have been used by feminist advocates.

00:43:51.000 They always say 2%.

00:43:53.000 2% of rape allegations are false.

00:43:53.000 Yes.

00:43:57.000 This is a made-up number.

00:43:59.000 Yeah, it completely made it.

00:44:00.000 It came from Miss Magazine or something.

00:44:02.000 It's a manufactured number by a feminist writer. 0.91

00:44:04.000 I think her name was Elizabeth Boomiller, one of these hyphenated names, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:10.000 Blah, blah, blah, hyphenated, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:12.000 I should hyphenate my name.

00:44:14.000 Give us more cred, right?

00:44:15.000 Makes you sound smarter.

00:44:16.000 Michelle Mulkin McInnes. 0.96

00:44:20.000 Anyway, and so they had pulled it out of their asses, basically, or whatever, other buddy part, and cited bogusly some random judge in a New York district here, state judge, who had said something at a, it was at a convention, and he was just sort of surmising. 0.95

00:44:44.000 Spitballing. 0.96

00:44:45.000 Right, spitballing, thank you, the technical term.

00:44:48.000 There was no journal article.

00:44:51.000 There was no data collected, and then it just became ingrained the same way that wage gap statistics are ingrained.

00:44:59.000 And they just kept repeating it, repeating it, and repeating it.

00:45:02.000 Well, Rem Turvey actually has a chapter in his book, and he's published scholarly articles about this as well, in peer-reviewed journals, on what data does exist.

00:45:15.000 And it's a wide range.

00:45:18.000 And like you said, there have been police departments and sexual assault units that have said like the vast majority, right?

00:45:26.000 90%.

00:45:28.000 But it ranges anywhere, I think, between 20 and 95%.

00:45:34.000 I actually have the exact statistics here, but people lie all the time, and there are many, many motives for women to lie. 1.00

00:45:42.000 And a lot of them can be illustrated in Daniel Holtzclaw's case.

00:45:46.000 Money, obviously, the prospect of a massive civil lawsuit.

00:45:51.000 Distraction.

00:45:54.000 In some cases, the accusers were involved in what seemed like shady activity, tension with family members, some way to gain attention.

00:46:05.000 Got caught cheating?

00:46:06.000 No, I wasn't cheating. 0.99

00:46:07.000 He was raping me. 0.98

00:46:08.000 Right, right, exactly. 0.98

00:46:10.000 These kinds of scenarios happen all the time.

00:46:12.000 And Brent Turvy makes the further point that people lie about all sorts of things.

00:46:16.000 I mean, why wouldn't they lie about sex the way they lie about property crimes or Medicaid fraud or murder?

00:46:25.000 I mean, there's a vast range of things that people lie about.

00:46:28.000 Why would you carve out some special sanctuary area for the area of sexual assault and rape?

00:46:35.000 And the problem is there are very few consequences for it.

00:46:39.000 Yes, police can say, well, if you lie about it, something happens.

00:46:43.000 But it rarely happens that anyone's prosecuted for lying about a crime.

00:46:49.000 We see this with hate crimes hoaxes all the time, right?

00:46:53.000 And what happens is it'll flash in the news.

00:46:56.000 Oh yeah, that hijab tearing down was fake.

00:46:59.000 And then it'll just quietly go away.

00:47:01.000 And even if charges are filed, they'll be bargained down to nothing, some misdemeanor, pay $10 and have 10 days of community service.

00:47:10.000 They say they don't want to discourage girls from coming forth, discouraging women, so they don't punish them.

00:47:15.000 No, then they incentivize it, right?

00:47:18.000 Yeah, there's no punishment, then there's no crime.

00:47:22.000 So is there hope for Holz Klaus?

00:47:25.000 I think there is.

00:47:26.000 I wouldn't have imagined two years ago when we debuted this show that there would be people across the political spectrum who would be willing to put their necks out and their reputations on the line to speak about his innocence.

00:47:40.000 And that includes fellow law enforcement officers, retired, active duty, who are volunteering for his case.

00:47:48.000 It includes eminent people in the legal community like Kathleen Zellner, who are, she's representing him on the civil side.

00:47:58.000 People from across the aisle, like I said, there's an Innocence Project veteran, Craig Cooley, who is now also helping out on potential post-processing.

00:48:07.000 So this is bipartisan.

00:48:09.000 It is, yes.

00:48:11.000 It's just blown up the spectrum.

00:48:13.000 You know, the arc bends, and that's where we are at this singular point.

00:48:18.000 And I think that it has reached this tipping point.

00:48:21.000 And the problem is that he's behind bars.

00:48:25.000 And this is just, I am very privileged and have the opportunity to be able to visit him on a regular basis in an undisclosed location for his protection.

00:48:37.000 And it is tough.

00:48:39.000 It is tough every day.

00:48:40.000 It's very hard for him to be able to be connected to the world and his identity has been taken away from him.

00:48:46.000 He's destroyed.

00:48:47.000 And nothing mattered more to this dedicated cop than his character and his integrity and his honor.

00:48:55.000 Fortunately, there are other people who've been through the same situation who are able to counsel him and support him in that way.

00:49:06.000 But the more I can talk about it and spread the message about it, the better.

00:49:09.000 But like I said, it's horrifying to me to know that there are so many more out there like him.

00:49:15.000 Well, I mean, you found a hole.

00:49:18.000 Everyone wants innocent people exonerated, but you found a hole where some were more There was a hole with right-wing people that were wrongly, or seemingly right-wing people that were wrongly accused.

00:49:35.000 But I really hope people see you doing this and get inspired to do it themselves.

00:49:41.000 I hope so too.

00:49:42.000 I hope you're starting a trend here.

00:49:44.000 It is the most satisfying work I've done in a quarter century.

00:49:49.000 And, you know, I half joked about getting a law degree, but it's something my mom always wanted me to do.

00:49:53.000 She'll even bug me now.

00:49:55.000 Like, I haven't really made it.

00:49:56.000 I think it's an immigrant thing.

00:49:58.000 Well, you're not a lawyer and you're not a doctor, so have you really made it in America?

00:50:04.000 Maybe.

00:50:05.000 Maybe.

00:50:06.000 I hope so.

00:50:07.000 I mean, not you being a lawyer, but this being a trend, because if there's one thing that should bond us all right and left, it's that we don't like the idea of people in cages.

00:50:18.000 Yes.

00:50:18.000 We want mass murderers off the streets, but we don't want innocent people off the streets and, I mean, in prison.

00:50:25.000 And it's just hard for our little weak, coddled brains to imagine the suffering that must go on for the innocent in prison.

00:50:34.000 You know, I think it's been important for me to enlist my children and have them see what we're doing.

00:50:40.000 And my husband, Jesse, has been my partner in life and partner in all that I do.

00:50:46.000 And he's thrown his heart and brain into it as much as I have.

00:50:51.000 And I want to animate my children.

00:50:53.000 I don't think there's any better way to inculcate this value of justice, which is where we started in this conversation, than to show my children that the only shame there is in knowing the truth and not doing a damn thing about it.

00:51:09.000 I want my children to be the kind who will be the whistleblower, the people who go against the grain, the people who are mavericks.

00:51:16.000 And what I have always detested most, and this is a completely separate but related area, is education policy, is that you have government schools that preen and preach about how they alone know best how to teach critical thinking skills.

00:51:34.000 This is the educraties, and it wasn't just Common Core where this idea was born that we must trust these licensed, professional, credentialed educators to teach critical thinking skills.

00:51:50.000 Because those laboratories of the government schools have been at the heart of why we are so screwed with witch hunts and social justice mobs.

00:51:59.000 Because they are Factories for brainwashing and the most stultifying orthodox thinking and mediocrity. 0.90

00:52:09.000 Yep, they're really dangerous.

00:52:10.000 They're Marxists, socialists.

00:52:12.000 They're brainwashing our kids. 1.00

00:52:13.000 I think they're radicalizing kids.

00:52:15.000 I wouldn't be surprised if their anti-Americanism radicalized the Sarnev brothers.

00:52:20.000 Yes.

00:52:21.000 You know, that's a whole other show, but they really are insidious.

00:52:26.000 They are.

00:52:27.000 And look what's happening.

00:52:28.000 I mean, again, let's just talk about the specific things that just happened in the last week.

00:52:32.000 You've got that young man, Kyle Keshev, at Darkland.

00:52:37.000 Yes, right?

00:52:39.000 And he's not the only one.

00:52:41.000 I think there was another parent who tweeted, it was Ken Bone.

00:52:44.000 Did you see this?

00:52:45.000 Red sweater Ken Bone.

00:52:47.000 His son got called into the principal's office because Ken Bone himself published a photo on Twitter of his son at the gun range with Ken Bone standing behind him in his red sweater.

00:53:02.000 Because there's something menacing and wrong with that.

00:53:07.000 And again, it seems different.

00:53:09.000 It seems like there's more now of a groundswell of people.

00:53:12.000 I mean, Ken Bone, I mean, he was chumming it up with liberal journalists.

00:53:17.000 Yeah, the school moms of the left have made themselves so unappealing with all their rules and all their scolding that they've accidentally red-pilled an entire generation. 1.00

00:53:26.000 And there's a real groundswell where they don't watch MSM, they don't watch TV even, and they're getting all their information from the people.

00:53:35.000 It's almost like the beginning of the American Revolution all over again.

00:53:38.000 Yes.

00:53:39.000 And again, it is so much easier to pick the path of not knowing or the path of not knowing and not doing anything about it.

00:53:49.000 And I try to teach my children by example every day that life is worth living and these battles are worth engaging.

00:54:01.000 And I know that there are a lot of people who are my followers and readers over the last quarter of century that have given up, that have written it off.

00:54:09.000 I mean, they're ready to move to Japan or New Zealand.

00:54:13.000 And I think that the American experiment is, and again, because of our shared immigrant experience, we know this, I'm not ready to give up.

00:54:23.000 I mean, I will go down till the last day.

00:54:27.000 You're more active now than you've ever been.

00:54:30.000 And your words are inspiring.

00:54:32.000 You don't look like Batman, but if I imagine you with a deeper voice, you are Bruce Wayne.

00:54:37.000 I appreciate that.

00:54:39.000 I prefer the Wonder Woman analogy.

00:54:40.000 I feel like a lot of times I've got these sort of metaphorical bracelets, and it's always bing, bing, bing.

00:54:47.000 I don't know, you've got more gumption than her. 0.70

00:54:50.000 Michelle, thank you very much for coming on this show.

00:54:52.000 Thank you.

00:54:52.000 This is so enjoyable, Gavin.

00:54:53.000 I appreciate the opportunity.

00:54:55.000 Scary and stimulating at the same time.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, right.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - May 08, 2018

Ep 127 | Michelle Malkin Special | Get Off My Lawn

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