Jordan Peterson and Michael Eric Dyson have a debate about white privilege, and how to get it back. Jordan Peterson: How to get his equality back? Michael E. Dyson: How can I get my equality back if I have so much white privilege?
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00:06:15.000the only thing i can get out of his exchange is that it's horrible to be black in america and it's unfair all the incredible advantages us white people have but let's uh let's see how long we can tolerate this for so mike i want to come to you on those on Jordan's point about how does he,
00:06:33.000in a sense, get an equal voice in this debate back if it is implied that his participation brings with it this baggage of white privilege that doesn't allow him to see clearly the issues that are before us.
00:06:48.000But that is to be complicit in the very problem itself, terminologically.
00:06:51.000You're beginning at a point that's already productive and controversial.
00:07:33.000If anything, Michael Eric Dyson is the one at a disadvantage because, I mean, at an unfair advantage, because he gets to pull the race card for every argument and go, yeah, but black.
00:09:39.000And what I'm saying to you empirically and precisely, when you ask the question about white privilege, the fact that you ask it in the way you did, dismissive, pseudoscientific, non-empirical, and without justification, A, the truth is that white privilege doesn't act according to quantifiable segments.
00:09:58.000It's about the degree to which we are willing as a society to grapple with the ideals of freedom, justice, and equality upon which it's based.
00:10:07.000Number two, what's interesting to me, you're talking about not having a collective identity.
00:11:06.000When America formed its union, it did so in opposition to another group.
00:11:14.000So the reality is that those who are part of group identities and politics deny the legitimacy and validity of those groups and the fact that they have been created thusly and then have resentment against others.
00:11:27.000All I'm asking for is the opportunity.
00:11:31.000The quotation you talk about, the difference between he always does this too.
00:11:35.000He'll be just about to make a point and then he'll go off at another thing and you're just about to get a salient argument and then he'll jump off and make another point.
00:12:51.000Quality of outcome and equality of opportunity, that's a stayed and retried argument, hackneyed phrase derived from the Halcyon days of the debate over affirmative action.
00:13:00.000Are you looking for outcomes that can be determined in a way?
00:13:06.000If you free a person after a whole long time of oppression and say now you are free to survive, if you have no skills, if you have no quantifiable means of existence, what you have done is liberated them into oppression.
00:13:19.000All right, finally, we got sort of a point.
00:13:27.000The reason blacks are worse off than whites is blacks had slavery, so they're starting at a disadvantage.
00:13:32.000And he goes on, we're going to end it now, but he goes on to say that blacks, if there was a race, imagine a race going and the white guy starts at the beginning line, but the black starts 100 years behind.
00:13:45.000The problem with that argument is you're choosing civilization.
00:13:49.000You're choosing America like it reflects the span of man.
00:13:54.000But if you want to talk about the gun going off, surely you have to start in Africa with the beginning of mankind.
00:14:01.000And you have to take into account everything, not just the tiny 90 years that America had slavery, and it was British when it had the other slavery, so that doesn't count.
00:14:10.000But not just this tiny blip of slavery.
00:15:59.000Now, I was just reading your article, Public Nuisance Polls, and you brought up an interesting angle that I had never thought of before, which is government officials can control free speech just by putting pressure on venues.
00:16:18.000I've owned a business in New York City, and I know that random city agencies can show up at any time and charge you $1,000 for blank.
00:16:27.000And I imagine they can do that at the instruction of politicians pretty easily.
00:16:33.000So it could be the health department, it could be a sanitation offense, it could be any number of public agencies that can mess with your business.
00:16:41.000And I'm sure businesses believe that and are worried about it when they are pressured by politicians to cancel an event.
00:16:49.000Yeah, well, I had a restaurant in the East Village, and if we had one too many dented cans or even if it wasn't our fault and someone went through our recycling and they left the cans everywhere, that could take us down from an A to a B and cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars.
00:18:07.000And if his community wants to punish him for it, if they want to try to ruin, not try to ruin his business, but wait outside of his building with the mariachi band, that's fine with me.
00:18:35.000There was a case a number of months ago where a Brooklyn attorney was driven from her job for saying something awful about the Las Vegas shooting.
00:18:46.000And I happened to know her, and she's a good person who said something casually on her friend's Facebook page in a moment of anger and sadness after the Vegas shooting that these people are Republicans and they kind of know what they're getting.
00:19:02.000So while I find that obviously also repugnant, I think that we've gotten just way too far and this mob thing that we shame people out of their jobs, really, we should put an end to it.
00:19:17.000Well, we're actually talking about two things here.
00:19:19.000And the one thing makes for great reading, but it doesn't make for great TV.
00:19:23.000And the one thing is a fascinating expose you did talking about politicians, city councilmen pressuring, Say, for example, there was going to be an NRA fundraiser, and they shut down three different venues.
00:19:36.000And I don't blame these venues, by the way.
00:19:57.000He's a comedian, and he was telling me that he had a terrible temper for a while, and then he started taking medication, and now he doesn't lose his temper anymore.
00:20:30.000Again, I don't know that I go towards liking him.
00:20:33.000I think that any guy that walks into a place like that and harasses the employees, you know, kind of deserves what he gets to some extent.
00:20:41.000But as soon as politicians get involved, it's really stepping over the line and trying to get rid of his law license is just a step too far.
00:22:01.000And by the way, there is a racial double standard.
00:22:03.000Like I know the Las Vegas woman got fried, but I don't know how many times I get screamed at by black people on the train like crazy people, going crack of this, crack of that.
00:25:05.000First question is a question a lot of my friends ask every time we see Kimberly Guilfoyle, and that is, how the hell do you lose that piece of tail?
00:25:15.000You know, everybody's wondering the question.
00:25:18.000And I mean, seriously, if you think about what Gavin did, and it wasn't just, you know, that it was Kimberly Guilfoyle.
00:25:24.000It was that it was his best friend's wife that he was messing around on Kimberly Guilfoyle with.
00:25:30.000Oh, I didn't know those two were the same transgression.
00:25:33.000I've always just known him as the guy that lost Kimberly Guilfoil, but it was the affair with the friend.
00:26:02.000There's some serious lack of judgment there.
00:26:04.000But seriously, I've never had a friend's wife hit on me, obviously.
00:26:08.000It's actually a joke in the movie Step Brothers, where his brother's wife is obsessed with him and he keeps telling her to calm down.
00:26:15.000But if that ever happened to you, and there was any kind of romantic possibility with your best friend's wife, you'd go, Oh my God, my friend's married to a lunatic.
00:26:23.000My friend's married to someone who's amoral.
00:26:27.000You'd run to him crying, going, I have the worst news ever, dude.
00:26:45.000You know, the arrogance of this guy, Gavin Newsom, is incredible.
00:26:48.000Even when it happened, you know, he did this press conference where he said, I'm sorry, and then I'm still going to be your mayor, and I'm still going to walk on as if nothing changed.
00:27:02.000I felt that the people of California should know that this is the guy that the Democrats want to put up to be the next governor of the state of California.
00:27:09.000I mean, very simply, if you can't trust him with your best friend's wife, if you can't even trust him to keep a person like Kimberly Guilfoyle, how could you trust with California?
00:27:20.000And she's like an honest, let's be honest here.
00:27:50.000Analytically, objectively speaking, I don't think there's one California that could agree with Gavin Newsom on that, as well as many other things that Gavin Newsome has done.
00:28:15.000You know, look, they call it the land of fruits and nuts for a very good reason.
00:28:20.000And it's not just because we have the best agriculture in the nation right here in California, although we do.
00:28:25.000It's that California has been run by the wrong political party for a very long time.
00:28:30.000And let me explain what I'm talking about.
00:28:32.00039 of the last 40 years in this building right behind me, the California state legislature, has been run by the Democrats, both houses, the Assembly and the Senate, totally controlled by Democrats every single year except for one in the last 40 years.
00:28:45.00024 of the last 50 years have been under Jerry Brown and the Jerry Brown family.
00:28:50.000So there is a reason for all this lunacy in California.
00:28:54.000It's not because there's not a lot of great Californians.
00:29:15.000The most recent one you might remember was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
00:29:18.000He was Republican for all of about a year.
00:29:21.000Once he got beat in the ballot box, that was the last wave we saw him, and he became a Democrat.
00:29:25.000So, I mean, we have not even seen a real Republican leader in probably two decades or more in California since Pete Wilson and Ronald Reagan.
00:29:33.000You know, it's been amazing watching the decline over there.
00:29:36.000I was stunned to realize that George W. Bush lived in Compton as a young kid.
00:29:50.000But there's since been a race war with Mexican gangs murdering black people.
00:29:56.000And, you know, I look at black America from coast to coast and I say, hey, guys, it couldn't possibly get worse than what the Dems are doing to you with two murders a day in the south side of Chicago, race wars in south central L.A. Give Republicans a try.
00:30:11.000The Democrats are literally murdering you.
00:30:38.000Martin Luther King gave the best speech of the last 50 years, and every single American took that to heart.
00:30:44.000But you take a look at, you know, certain communities and you can say, wait a second, a lot of these policies that are put in place by the Democrats are disproportionately hurting certain communities.
00:30:54.000So when you take a look at the African-American community in California, what is it?
00:30:58.000Something like 70% of the homes are single-parent homes.
00:31:02.000You take a look at the crime statistics.
00:31:03.000You take a look at the educational gap.
00:31:07.000And clearly, this concept that the Democrats have of identity politics and separating people out based on what they look like is an abject failure.
00:31:17.000Just two years ago, in this building right here, they tried to pass a bill called SCA 5.
00:31:22.000And it would have brought back affirmative action in California.
00:31:26.000And specifically, they wanted to discriminate against Asian American kids in favor of Latino kids and African Americans.
00:31:34.000As we know, when anytime you look at affirmative action, it's very simple.
00:31:37.000It takes the bar that should be right there for everybody, and it lowers it for a certain group of people and says, you know what, we're going to give you a break.
00:31:44.000We're going to give you the chance to perform less and still get the same benefits.
00:32:38.000He wants to give away your money to people that aren't even working at all.
00:32:41.000I gave a speech to the NAACP a couple of years ago.
00:32:44.000It was a great speech talking about opportunity and how we believe in a country where it's equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome, right?
00:32:51.000You get to determine your own personal outcome.
00:32:54.000And I talked about people pulling them up by the bootstraps.
00:32:57.000This guy, Tubbs, I didn't even know the guy back then.
00:34:59.000So listen, in this race for governor, I am the only candidate that voted for and supported, even wrote op-eds in favor of the Republican nominee for president.
00:35:08.000I'm actually running against a guy who's from Chicago.
00:35:39.000What Trump did in the United States is he completely blew up the concept of politically correct speech.
00:35:45.000This was the thought control of the left.
00:35:47.000Somehow, if you don't say things right, that you won't be accepted or you won't be cool or you might even be racist or whatever else they're going to accuse you of being.
00:36:07.000And I got to tell you, after six years of fighting in this building, fighting all these crazy Democrats with all the crazy laws of California, I mean, laws like little boys and little girls using the same restroom, laws like the illegal sanctuary state, even laws like taking the knowing transmission of AIDS to another person from a felony to basically a traffic citation.
00:36:35.000So listen, I have fought these guys for six years, and I can tell you right now, the only way to meet them is tell a direct truth to the California people.
00:36:43.000Our state has the highest in the nation poverty.
00:36:46.000We have the highest in the nation homelessness.
00:36:47.000We have rising violent crime, open borders, illegal sanctuary state.
00:36:51.000We got this new gas tax that we never even voted for.
00:36:54.000And as you know, we got that bullet train to nowhere, right?
00:38:16.000The California Democrats in this building right here, using the extreme environmentalists as their tool, have bankrupted whole regions of the state.
00:38:23.000So in the north, we got these great forests and timber industry.
00:38:33.000You can't go for oil in Bakersfield or offshore because they won't let you touch it.
00:38:37.000And we got more oil and gas in Saudi Arabia, according to some reports.
00:38:41.000And in that central valley, the fruits and nuts we were talking about a moment ago, they won't even give them the water they need to plant their crops.
00:38:48.000So basically, when it rains, our dams burst and it washes out into the ocean.
00:38:51.000They have bankrupted our state, but there's whole regions of the state that understand that.
00:38:56.000And they know that the only way to take this back is with a Republican governor like a Ronald Reagan, somebody that's willing to fight them, not one round like Schwarzenegger, but over and over and over again until we win.
00:39:06.000And I got to tell you, Gavin, I got 40,000 volunteers around the state, almost half a million followers, something like 475,000 followers on Facebook at jointravisallen.com.
00:39:43.000And remember, you know, I was in Texas like three or four days ago, and I was raising money out there, and the Texans were saying, you know, Travis, we'd love it if you'd make California look a little bit more like Texas so all the Californians would move back home.