Matt Palumbo joins us in the studio to talk about his new book, Spygate, and why he thinks he should play a character named Peter Fock in a new TV show called Palumbo, where he wears a trench coat with a tie and screws up one eye like Peter Columbo.
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00:00:55.000Before we talk about the book, I really want to push this idea that you do a show called Palumbo, where you wear a trench coat with a tie, and maybe you screw up one eye, like Peter Fock.
00:02:36.000And so I investigate all these hoity-toity rich people.
00:02:40.000And it's kind of a parody of classism in a way.
00:02:43.000Because they poo-poo him and they go, this crap old New York detective, he can't figure anything out.
00:02:48.000And then he'll just, he'll say, do the questions, and he'll lay it all out, and then he'll entrap the murderer by going, all right, well, my wife's a huge fan.
00:02:58.000She's read all your books, and she won't shut up about you.
00:03:01.000And she's going to be so excited that we met.
00:03:04.000But thank you very much for your time.
00:06:53.000Yeah, it almost felt like every week we were saying, all right, another week or two, this thing's all going to be done.
00:06:58.000And then more and more just kept coming out.
00:07:01.000So we ended up not really finishing it until around May or June.
00:07:04.000But we got so much more information than we ever hoped.
00:07:07.000You know, there's a heap, we were talking to Michael Malice yesterday about how this chain of journalists, journal list that Ezra Klein put together.
00:07:17.000And they would say, it's these talking points.
00:07:26.000And they are giving themselves away by using it all the time because it shows that they are all repeating the same talking points.
00:07:32.000You see this, well, I guess not with you on Twitter anymore, but anytime someone with a blue check mark talks about the Kavanaugh accusations is always credibly accused, no matter what, with no exception.
00:07:43.000And I wonder, there must be some list of talking points they're all getting to coordinate this.
00:07:48.000Yeah, credibly, because that's another strange phrase.
00:07:51.000I've never said credibly accused in my life.
00:08:11.000Are they saying that Putin wanted Trump to win, which is already kind of a strange situation, and then he somehow got into our internet election machine and changed actual votes?
00:08:25.000So there are different levels of hysteria.
00:08:28.000That would certainly be the craziest that they were actually literally hacking the election, which I don't, to my knowledge, is not actually possible.
00:08:34.000I don't think most of these booths are connected to the internet.
00:08:36.000I mean, don't quote me on that, but it would be extra.
00:08:40.000If they did, we would have known by now.
00:08:42.000So, I mean, the more general theory is just Russian actors, with the knowledge of the Russian government, tried to subsert themselves in the Trump campaign.
00:08:51.000There is, however, I mean, there is evidence of Russian influence, certainly trying to influence and help Trump.
00:08:56.000All I've heard evidence of is like $1,500 or Facebook ads.
00:09:04.000But of, let's say, Russians who actually interacted with Trump campaign members, the Trump campaign members had no idea who they were talking to.
00:09:10.000So there was Russian attempted interference, but not collusion.
00:09:24.000And I'll talk about that and the DNC hack, which actually might have either never happened or have been an inside leak.
00:09:30.000Because if you remember, they immediately used the DNC hack to say it was Russians and they gave those emails to WikiLeaks.
00:09:37.000The FBI offered to look at their servers and examine for them, and they refused.
00:09:43.000Which you'd think, well, I mean, we know with the Kavanaugh things, they seem to think very highly of FBI investigations, but they did not want one for whatever reason.
00:09:50.000And obviously the reason is the Russians didn't actually hack them.
00:10:40.000And now the DNC is claiming they weren't hacked at all, which, so I don't know how that, why they're now saying that, because what are we supposed to believe crowd strike down then?
00:10:48.000This is what I keep coming back to on this show.
00:11:09.000But like with the Kavanaugh thing, I don't understand.
00:11:11.000I know they don't want to be on the Supreme Court, but as far as the system goes, do you want a system where an allegation with no evidence means someone can't get a job?
00:11:20.000Well, don't you see now that people would weaponize that?
00:11:23.000And by the way, if you notice on Twitter, whenever someone calls Kavanaugh credibly accused, there's always one right-wing troll saying, so-and-so raped me, like the person who posted the accusation against Kavanaugh.
00:11:34.000And then they always respond with a screw you, or there's no evidence, or something along those lines.
00:11:38.000And it's like, well, obviously you see how fallacious it is when applied to you, so why not anyone else?
00:11:56.000I remember when I read the Salem Witch Trials, or The Crucible in eighth grade, and when I got to the end, my first thought was, thank God this could never happen today.
00:12:20.000But this Nazi hunt is like, there's no Nazis.
00:12:23.000And to change the subject back to the book, with the special counsel, it has all like everything you'd expect of a witch hunt where there are witches being found, but they're not being charged with witchcraft, which would be Russian collusion.
00:12:38.000Most of the Russians that were charged were charged with creating fake identities and not registering as foreign agents.
00:12:43.000There's not a single, so far, not a single conviction in the mill their special counsel that mentions collusion at all.
00:12:50.000All right, so let's sift through the weeds here before we get started and try to zero in on what the allegations are from at least the moderately sane left.
00:12:58.000And their allegation is that Russians hacked Hillary's email and seeing anyone's emails can make them look bad.
00:13:06.000If we saw Trump's emails, that would hurt Trump's campaign.
00:13:09.000So that's what they mean when they say the Russians hacked the electorate.
00:13:14.000But there's been no evidence of that whatsoever, besides a privately funded leftist group that determined it in 24 hours.
00:14:34.000It was, Trump was in Russia in 2013 for the Miss Universe pageant.
00:14:39.000He was meeting with these two guys, one of his names Amin Aguaralarov, who's like a pop singer over there in Europe, and his father, Aros Aguilarov.
00:15:07.000So the story, it's very possible it did.
00:15:11.000Some sort of story about that started with them and then kind of got corrupted through a game of telephone.
00:15:16.000Because if you look through Christopher Seale's dossier, the source is this guy named Sergei Millian, which is interesting because he's one of the people who randomly approaches George Papadopoulos, who was, do you remember when it was uncovered there actually were spies in the Trump campaign?
00:15:42.000Yeah, so Halper was one of the people who met with Papadopoulos.
00:15:46.000Basically, Papadopoulos, if you listen to Papadopoulos, it sounds like Halper was trying to pry information out of him to get him to incriminate himself.
00:15:54.000But Millian was also a man who approaches Papadopoulos out of the blue.
00:15:58.000He's cited as a source for the Golden Showers incident.
00:16:01.000So there's somehow some sort of transmission of information from the Aguilaros to him where we got this weird story, and we don't know how.
00:16:09.000So a spy who is working for Obama and also met with George Papadopoulos is also the guy who said that Trump has P-tapes.
00:16:24.000Like, say that was true and he has a weird sexual fetish.
00:16:28.000I could not care less about people's sex lives.
00:16:31.000Well, Halper was a guy who met Trump, I think, a few months before the election.
00:16:34.000Milliam's a different guy, I mean, potential spy as well, but he's one who met Papadopoulos kind of out of the blue, weird circumstances, and also is credited as the source for the peace story.
00:16:44.000So it's very likely he was trying to maybe fish information or something of that nature out of him.
00:16:49.000For instance, when Halperman Yeah, because I was about to ask.
00:16:54.000There's actually a lot of background information.
00:16:56.000Yeah, so he was brought on as Trump's foreign policy advisor.
00:17:54.000Mifsud didn't really appear interested in Papadopoulos until he started mentioning he had connections to Trump.
00:18:00.000And then Mifsud started talking about how, oh, actually, I have all of Hillary's hacked emails and all this dirt on her.
00:18:06.000Which is interesting because those records of him donating to the Clinton Foundation.
00:18:09.000So the theory is he wanted Papadopoulos to somehow claim he himself had access to those emails and incriminate himself even though he didn't.
00:18:18.000Which was interesting because a few months later an Australian ambassador named I just lose it.
00:18:26.000I'll be the one that's told how long we're going.
00:18:28.000So he meets with this guy named Alexander Downer in a bar in London a few months later.
00:18:34.000Papadopoulos reportedly drunkenly starts talking about how he possesses Hillary's hacked emails, which he doesn't at all.
00:18:41.000Downer then takes that information and goes to the FBI, which the FBI claims is why they opened a counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign.
00:18:50.000However, that's what they claim happened.
00:18:54.000Devin Nunes started looking to the documents of why the FBI started the investigation.
00:19:07.000And also, in addition to that, John Brennan testified that it was actually British intelligence sending him intel about members of the Trump campaign that he relayed to the FBI that started the investigation.
00:19:19.000So we have two different competing explanations for why the investigation started.
00:19:23.000And you might remember, before those two explanations, it was thought that dossier was the reason.
00:19:59.000America has pretty much ignored the fact that we had people spying on Trump throughout his campaign.
00:20:05.000And people don't seem to realize, like, liberals will admit that Manafort and Page were surveilled on, but they don't realize literally every call they make is surveilled.
00:20:13.000And when they work for Trump, who do you think they're going to be talking to?
00:20:18.000So we would argue it's almost like, especially with Carter Page, it's almost a backdoor way to spy on Trump because there's no record of a warrant.
00:20:46.000And it would be an example of Trump's, quote-unquote, truthful hyperbole, as he calls it.
00:20:52.000But you might remember, right after he won the election, he was having meetings in Trump Tower where he was interviewing people for certain jobs.
00:21:00.000And then he immediately one day, I think it was Thursday or Friday, said, no more meetings here.
00:21:06.000We're going to Bedminster, New Jersey.
00:21:07.000And there was no pre-announcement for that at all.
00:21:09.000The day that was announced, the last interview was with Mike Rogers, who was the NSA head.
00:21:15.000I think it's very likely he said something to Trump that spooked him and made him want to do interviews somewhere else who wouldn't be surveilled.
00:21:22.000It's something we can't prove, but it seems very likely.
00:21:24.000And I would argue, too, Obama was really pissed off after that, too, and threatened to fire Mike Rogers because he allegedly didn't tell Obama beforehand he was meeting with Trump.
00:21:33.000And then he claimed his official reason for wanting to fire Rogers later was that he didn't do enough to fight ISIS or some nonsense, which just seems like a stupid excuse.
00:21:43.000So I think Obama, he probably told Trump something, like, you're being surveilled in this manner, like, not literally Trump Tower being wiretapped, but you're being surveilled in X, Y, and Z, and you should probably be cautioned about that.
00:22:30.000on a bed well it's like and then say it was obama okay so the it's basically like a liberal fantasy of the story which is kind of how you know it's not true right i think this their narrative is he rented a hotel room that Obama once stayed in so then he could defile it or something.
00:23:53.000So they set up this meeting in Trump Tower.
00:23:56.000A lot of people don't know this, but Vessel Moskaya at this time was working with Fusion GPS on a case to defend the Russian government.
00:24:03.000At the same time, Fusion's funding steele's dossier to prove collusion between Trump and the Russian government.
00:24:10.000The morning of the Trump Tower meeting, Glenn Simpson, the co-founder, and Velsa Moskaya meet.
00:24:15.000I'm going to go ahead and assume they talked about the Trump Tower meeting that was going to occur, because they met after that and the next day.
00:25:02.000There's all this conflict of interest.
00:25:04.000It sounds like terrible scam after terrible scam.
00:25:06.000And when I find out, I boil it down to what exactly the allegation is, I go, I don't care if Donald Trump's son met with someone who said they had dirt on Hillary.
00:25:15.000You should meet with someone who says they have dirt on Hillary.
00:25:17.000And I don't care if you pay prostitutes to pee on a bed.
00:25:29.000I mean, I guess the thing would be that they blackmail on Trump, but I don't know.
00:25:32.000I mean, you'd think they would have released it by now because the thing is, Trump has objectively been harder on Russia than Obama, just not in his rhetoric.
00:25:40.000Like, the amount of sanctions he's put on Russia is way out of proportion to what Obama did.
00:27:07.000And we have in the book, too, a lot of, and I mentioned this with the John Brennan thing, in Britain, their version of the NSA is called the GCHQ.
00:27:16.000It's a government-something headquarters.
00:27:21.000In fact, Edward Stowden actually warned against it when he came out against the NSA too, which is an interesting note.
00:27:27.000But we have an agreement with them called the Five Eyes Agreement.
00:27:29.000Like it's an intelligence sharing agreement.
00:27:31.000And one of our theories is one of the main reasons the British government opposed Trump and was relaying intelligence to John Brennan is because you can't be in the Five Eyes Agreement with anyone or any nation that supports torture.
00:27:44.000And Trump obviously vowed to bring back waterboarding and, quote, much worse.
00:27:48.000So we think that was a large motivation for them in trying to relay damning information to John Brennan and then to the FBI.
00:27:57.000Because they don't want America to be in the Five Eyes.
00:28:01.000No, they want us to stay in it and we're worried we wouldn't be able to and share info because they can't.
00:28:06.000We can't lose information if we get booted out.
00:28:07.000If we get booted out for support of torture, yeah.
00:28:10.000Which obviously hasn't materialized regardless, but with fear.
00:28:13.000So we're doing a lot of hopping around here.
00:28:25.000So she claimed she had dirt on Hillary, and she ended up just talking about the McNitsky Act and like Russian adoption or American adoptions from Russia.
00:28:35.000So she didn't have anything she claimed to have.
00:28:37.000And what's interesting is she brought a translator with her, who used to work for Hillary Clinton in her State Department.
00:28:43.000So basically, if Donald Trump said anything incriminating, they were pretty sure it would not get lost in translation, which is why I imagine he was there.
00:29:43.000Yeah, so Hannigan actually flew down to D.C. in the summer of 2016 to relay a lot of information to Brennan, who then related to the FBI.
00:29:52.000And Brennan claims, as I mentioned earlier, that's what sort of the FBI counter-intelligence investigation to the Trump campaign, which is now the special counsel.
00:30:00.000What's interesting with Robert Hannigan, the guy who related info, is right after Trump was inaugurated, he stepped down.
00:30:06.000And he was only in the position for less than two years, didn't give any weeks, like two weeks' notice, and just claimed, oh, I have family issues.
00:30:13.000And there's no evidence there's actually anything, you know, no sicknesses in the family since then or anything.
00:30:41.000He made it a WWE match, and they were not ready for that.
00:30:45.000Well, it's kind of heartening because it shows you that there's still democracy in this country and the people still have power.
00:30:51.000People are still thinking for themselves.
00:30:54.000I know this is off topic, but even with the Christine Ford things that came forward recently, the Huffington posted a poll and I think 25% of women thought it was credible.
00:31:03.000And if that's up with the Huffington poll, I was just saying it's probably less.
00:31:06.000Well, I'll never forget when he was in Florida during the campaign and he pulls up his phone.
00:31:13.000And we were hearing about how he's a loser and no one likes him and he's not going anywhere.
00:31:17.000And he just has it on, what's it called?
00:31:47.000We went in Long Island, and it was a manufacturing town where they used to make planes for the military, and all those jobs are gone.
00:31:53.000And so to be in one of these big hangars where they used to make F-15s, and there's all these people whose dad used to have a job right in that very spot, it was really inspiring.
00:32:02.000And you realize, wow, we can get people elected.
00:32:45.000It's like, I think, more than the media, I think celebrities, like your favorite musician, your favorite actor having a left-wing view, is going to be much more influencing than somebody on ABC.
00:32:54.000Because if you're a young person, you're going to be much more likely to idolize or connect with these people and be much more likely to adopt or mimic those kind of views.
00:33:02.000Well, that's probably why they are so in such a state of panic when it comes to Kanye West.
00:33:09.000I just read this morning that Pete Davidson went up to him backstage with SNO and said, having mental illness is no excuse to be a jackass.
00:33:19.000Someone was joking that the election is now a proxy war between Kanye and Keller Swift after last night.
00:33:27.000Yeah, they do have a lot of influence.
00:33:28.000But at the end of the day, I think that Americans are more independent, more independent thinkers than Britain and Canada and a lot of other Western countries.
00:33:37.000And that might be because that's the origin of America.
00:33:41.000It was a lot of opposing views, and they started talking to each other, which was Britain's idea, by the way.
00:33:46.000And they said, let's have lots of different viewpoints.
00:33:49.000And then they said, hey, while we're hashing this out and learning how to use guns and training our own militia, let's kick Britain out.
00:34:35.000And I've noticed in Australia, I'm going on tour there, so I've been talking to a lot of Australian media, and they're with me with the Venerate the Housewife, entrepreneur.
00:34:46.000And they go, and guns, and they go, eh.
00:34:47.000I actually, you ever hear that argument in Australia that like, you know, the 20 years before they had their worst shooting, there was 13 shootings, now there's zero?
00:34:55.000So I looked into each individual public shooting.
00:34:59.000So to give some summary, they claim that there's a really bad shooting in 1996, and that in the 20 years before, there was like 13 shootings.
00:35:07.000In the 20 years since, there have been none.
00:35:09.000So I looked at every shooting individually, and only four of them were committed by guns that were banned in 1996.
00:35:16.000Meaning, all the other ones could still happen today, just for whatever reason they have not.
00:35:26.000It kind of concerns me, though, because we are free thinkers, and we are independent thinkers, but if you're slightly lazy, then there's plenty of straw men that you've got to sort of push out of the way.
00:35:38.000John Lott refutes the Australian argument.
00:35:41.000It's just frustrating because when people make the Australia argument, you can make it on Twitter in 100 characters, and Kim Kardashian can tweet it and get 50,000 retweets.
00:36:14.000The difference is Venezuela and Cuba are what they would call, quote, real socialism, while those countries are free market capitalist with really high taxes.
00:36:23.000And in fact, I mean, yes, they are prospering, but you can look at them before these welfare state eras and their GDP was higher and all that.
00:39:19.000Did you see her interview about the Kavanaugh confirmations where someone asked her, like, do you think this is better than previous hearing?
00:39:26.000And she just goes like, I liked the previous hearings for other justices.
00:39:44.000It's sort of like when Hillary was diagnosed with pneumonia and Pat and Oswald goes, can we just take a second to talk about how badass it is and brave it and learning while having pneumonia?
00:39:55.000Well, I'm glad you finally finished this video.
00:39:57.000Yes, it took forever, but it was well worth it.
00:40:00.000No, it's nice to just have a rebuttal where you can sit there and go, no, that's not what happened.
00:40:06.000But I'm actually getting to the point now where I go, A, I don't know what you want.
00:40:44.000And I know like some liberal experts are going to tell me this is very consistent with other victims, but the level of detail for certain things versus others.
00:40:52.000Like I came in the house and music was playing.
00:40:55.000We went upstairs to this bed and the bathroom was right here and I was wearing a One Piece, but I don't know how I got there or left.
00:41:01.000And I guess we're supposed to believe she left in front of the house.