Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Ep 200 | Ron Coleman | Get Off My Lawn

00:00:19.000 Live from New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McGuinness.

00:00:27.000 Welcome to Get Off My Lawn.

00:00:29.000 I am here with Ron Coleman.

00:00:32.000 He's a well-known free speech attorney and also one of the poorest basketball players.

00:00:38.000 The poorest.

00:00:39.000 Say it.

00:00:40.000 The worst basketball player.

00:00:42.000 Certainly pound for pound.

00:00:43.000 How many baskets would you say you got in your life?

00:00:45.000 Oh, I got baskets, but no one else had to be anywhere near me and everyone else had to go home.

00:00:51.000 Right, that's logical.

00:00:53.000 You know, it's funny when you talk to baby boomers, Jewish baby boomers from Brooklyn. 0.97

00:00:58.000 You guys were obsessed with basketball in the 80s and the 70s.

00:01:02.000 Certainly in the 70s.

00:01:03.000 By the 80s, it was pretty clear the jig was up, that height was going to be an issue, and that wasn't the main thing we had to bring to the table.

00:01:11.000 And also, like, the whole urban Brooklyn Jewish experience was becoming a suburban thing.

00:01:16.000 And in the suburbs, there are other things to catch your attention.

00:01:19.000 Oh, that could be a whole documentary on the death of Jewish basketball.

00:01:24.000 And it'd be as interesting as Great Jewish Sports Heroes, that pamphlet they give out an airport.

00:01:24.000 Yeah, back at the end.

00:01:30.000 Right.

00:01:31.000 It was airplane.

00:01:31.000 Or airplane.

00:01:32.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:01:34.000 I wanted to talk to you about a lot of things, the political climate today, obviously.

00:01:38.000 I also want to talk about God.

00:01:40.000 Why do I see you as such a God expert?

00:01:42.000 Because I must have done something proper and appropriate at some juncture during our relationship.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, you're not known as a theist.

00:01:51.000 Like, every time someone has an argument about God, I go, oh, you should talk to Ron Coleman.

00:01:54.000 But I'm realizing now, why do I imbue you with all this authority?

00:01:58.000 Because on the one hand, you know that I have some training as a rabbinical student.

00:02:02.000 And on the other hand, I'm a regular guy.

00:02:04.000 I see.

00:02:04.000 So you don't know too many people who offer you.

00:02:06.000 Actually, there's some that you just don't know.

00:02:07.000 You don't know that they are that person, but you know that I'm that person.

00:02:11.000 I know that you're that person.

00:02:12.000 The Yamaka just gives you so much information.

00:02:15.000 Ready?

00:02:18.000 But let's start with the political climate today.

00:02:20.000 Yes, let's keep it profane.

00:02:22.000 I was talking to a friend this morning, and we were talking about, you know, George W. Bush.

00:02:26.000 We've had Republican presidents before, and people hated GW.

00:02:32.000 But this is different.

00:02:33.000 And it seems like every month it's even crazier.

00:02:36.000 I mean, now you have political violence everywhere, smashing windows, but we also have mainstream politicians saying, let's take it to the streets.

00:02:46.000 Maxime Waters said, let's take it to the streets.

00:02:48.000 I think there was a guy, was it Tim Kaine?

00:02:50.000 I just saw a guy recently saying, we need to take this fight to the streets.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, Tim Kaine, of all guys, I mean, there's a guy, I see him walking down the street with a lead pipe.

00:03:01.000 I think his son is in Antifa.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:04.000 I think that's right.

00:03:06.000 So the line is blurred.

00:03:07.000 It used to be there's political violence, and those are the nut anarchists. 0.94

00:03:11.000 And then there's, of course, the normal politicians.

00:03:13.000 And then, of course, there's the media.

00:03:15.000 And now we have Don Lemon saying Antifa means anti-fascist.

00:03:20.000 You've got mainstream politicians endorsing them.

00:03:22.000 They're all one big mess now.

00:03:24.000 Yes.

00:03:24.000 Not surprising, because they're that much more desperate.

00:03:27.000 I mean, you can basically draw a chart showing Trump's, any politician's effectiveness as a conservative and plotted against the level of desperation displayed by the left.

00:03:41.000 They're losing the ability to win elections.

00:03:44.000 They thought they had a lock on it nonetheless by controlling the deep state and the judiciary.

00:03:50.000 And the narrative with the media.

00:03:53.000 So along comes social media, undercuts the official narrative.

00:03:57.000 Deep state may be getting rattled.

00:03:59.000 We don't really haven't seen it yet.

00:04:00.000 I mean, how many times can we wait for the slow rollout to take place?

00:04:04.000 But certainly cracks in the dam there.

00:04:07.000 And in terms of the judiciary, not going their way at all.

00:04:11.000 So they're getting desperate.

00:04:13.000 And the problem is that the irony is that the people we're talking about, these really soft pink, comfortable old Democrats who are encouraging radicalism, they're the first ones to get it in the back of the neck.

00:04:27.000 If true radicals, if there really are true radicals, and I'm going to say true radicals, I mean there are people who are truly reckless, there are people who are truly irresponsible and violent, but they're pretty well aware that there's not a great deal of accountability for what they do in most of the urban cities, not New York pretty much, but certainly out west and in Washington.

00:04:48.000 You know, you get a desk ticket, you get a slap on the wrist.

00:04:52.000 Lenin was a radical.

00:04:53.000 Lenin was absolutely prepared to kill or be killed.

00:04:55.000 These guys, you know, the old-style anarchy radicals were absolutely, Martin Luther King was a radical.

00:05:01.000 He absolutely put his life on the line.

00:05:04.000 These guys, it's a hobby.

00:05:06.000 Whether they're getting paid by George Soros or not, it's a fun thing to do.

00:05:09.000 I'll never forget when they were doing the die-ins, the black BLM, and they showed some university kids going out at night to some demonstration. 0.95

00:05:21.000 And not only were they taking selfies, but they're looking at it.

00:05:28.000 I'm dead.

00:05:29.000 Right.

00:05:30.000 And they're giggling at each other, knowing that, in other words, it was just a campus thing to do.

00:05:33.000 Like when I was in college, the campus thing to do was anti-apartheid and everybody did demonstration.

00:05:40.000 Of course, Coleman was the odd man out, but it's just in style.

00:05:40.000 Not everybody.

00:05:44.000 It's radical chic, teen vogue, that kind of thing.

00:05:47.000 No, I think you're totally right.

00:05:48.000 It's the mods and the rockers on Brighton Beach.

00:05:50.000 This is just two groups fighting.

00:05:52.000 This is punks and skinheads.

00:05:53.000 This is rockabillies and disco guys.

00:05:56.000 I mean, that's why they don't want to talk about it, because there's no substance behind it.

00:05:59.000 If you went up to the mods and the rockers on Brighton Beach and said, hey, mods, why do you hate rockers so much?

00:06:04.000 And it would be like, because they like rock and roll, and we like northern soul.

00:06:08.000 And you go, okay.

00:06:11.000 I'm glad, for no other reason, this is the perfect place and format for me to tell you this great story because it happened to me twice, once in New Jersey and once in Florida.

00:06:22.000 Same demographic.

00:06:23.000 Speaking to a woman around 70 years old who says to me, oh, I hate that Trump.

00:06:29.000 What don't you like about Trump?

00:06:32.000 He's terrible.

00:06:34.000 Okay, he's terrible.

00:06:34.000 Okay, but tell me what it is about his policies that you don't like.

00:06:38.000 Everything he says is a lie.

00:06:39.000 Oh, they always say that.

00:06:41.000 Okay, everything he says is a lie.

00:06:42.000 Let's not talk about Hillary Clinton because we're not talking about Hillary Clinton.

00:06:45.000 You're right.

00:06:46.000 He's an unusual politician.

00:06:47.000 lies a lot.

00:06:48.000 Now tell me about which policies Tell me which policies it is that you don't like that he actually did.

00:06:55.000 He's terrible with women. 0.58

00:06:58.000 Probably not first choice for anyone for their daughter to bring home, a CAD of that, except for that.

00:07:05.000 That's a good word.

00:07:06.000 But what's the policy that he's actually put in place as president of the United States of America that you're disapproving of?

00:07:14.000 I just hate.

00:07:15.000 He's just terrible.

00:07:16.000 They cannot enunciate.

00:07:19.000 I mean, at least, you know, if you go to a college, there are speaking points at least.

00:07:23.000 They're watching the view.

00:07:25.000 It's just an understanding that this is bad, Orange Cheeto Man.

00:07:31.000 Even when he does something good, then they make it bad.

00:07:34.000 Like with North Korea, when he was getting tough with Kim Jong-un, they go, he's going to start a world war.

00:07:39.000 And then it turns out that Kim Jong-un was kept in line and was well disciplined.

00:07:43.000 And that was coddling dictators.

00:07:44.000 That was coddling dictators. 0.84

00:07:46.000 Well, all of a sudden we're very offended by Saudi Arabia.

00:07:49.000 A killing of people.

00:07:50.000 A killing of people.

00:07:51.000 This is a new people in international affairs.

00:07:55.000 Brand new ballgame.

00:07:56.000 What's Trump going to do about this?

00:07:57.000 Oh, my.

00:07:58.000 It's all winning.

00:07:59.000 It's like Dungeons and Dragons for them.

00:08:01.000 And that's why we had Bill Maher saying, I want the economy to be bad.

00:08:06.000 You know, suicide goes up, child poverty goes up when the economy is bad.

00:08:09.000 let's not kid ourselves.

00:08:10.000 When Obama was in office and the job support would come out, were you rooting for the economy to...

00:08:20.000 Yes, I was.

00:08:24.000 No, no, but politically speaking, you don't want anyone to get hurt on the individual, on a humane basis.

00:08:29.000 But the fact is, you want to be able to say, you know, we're going to, I can't blame Marv.

00:08:35.000 The thing about Mars is that he'll say, he'll say it.

00:08:38.000 He'll say it.

00:08:39.000 He'll say it in the time and in the moment.

00:08:42.000 Listen, when the Iranians captured those U.S. sailors and humiliated them, no one was rooting for that. 1.00

00:08:51.000 That's bad.

00:08:52.000 That's bad for America. 0.89

00:08:53.000 And it's true as a political, you know, you're putting a check mark, boy, this will be handy in the next election.

00:08:58.000 Because someone tells me what a great foreign policy genius Obama was.

00:09:04.000 But obviously, something like that happens.

00:09:07.000 And the same thing goes with the economy.

00:09:10.000 It's amazing what's happening with the economy.

00:09:11.000 It's extraordinary to me.

00:09:13.000 You know, Jews also seem to have, they're in my sandwich, they're everywhere, seem to have this irrational hatred from. 1.00

00:09:23.000 And I did a video, 10 Things I Hate About the Goddamn Jews, which everyone takes literally. 1.00

00:09:26.000 It was clearly satirical.

00:09:28.000 But in it, I was talking about how I'm in Israel at the time.

00:09:31.000 Like all Jew haters, you're visiting Israel and spending Sadat.

00:09:36.000 Was that it called?

00:09:37.000 Sterat?

00:09:38.000 Sterot.

00:09:38.000 Stirot.

00:09:39.000 Stechot.

00:09:40.000 Stechot.

00:09:41.000 Where the Nazis, the right-wing alt-right guys, they go, oh yeah, if they're getting invaded all the time in Stehrot, why do we see no dead bodies if they're always getting bombed?

00:09:52.000 Then you go there and you see there's a bomb shelter every 50 feet.

00:09:57.000 The trash cans are this thick with cement.

00:09:59.000 So when you go there, you see what's really going up.

00:10:00.000 That's a tangent.

00:10:02.000 When I was there, I saw this animosity, and I think he hadn't quite moved the embassy to Jerusalem at that point, but all of his adult kids were dating Jews, and one of them had converted to Orthodox Judaism.

00:10:16.000 He's pro-free market.

00:10:18.000 He hates that an Israeli can't do a talk at a campus.

00:10:21.000 That's what the left, that's the left terrorism.

00:10:23.000 And it drove me insane because I go, he's the most pro-Israeli president we've ever had.

00:10:29.000 Why don't you like him?

00:10:30.000 Well, actually, most American Jews today are not interested in Israel.

00:10:34.000 They're Jewish because their last names are Jewish.

00:10:37.000 So a generation ago, they weren't religiously committed, but they were interested in the state of Israel.

00:10:42.000 Now they couldn't care less about the state of Israel.

00:10:43.000 It's a place to maybe vacation, probably not, because they're boycotting.

00:10:47.000 They're more interested in their social standing at home and on campus than they are about any particular issue, and they're offended by nationalism, and they're probably not married to a Jew, or their children are probably not married to Jews, so they don't want to get all that into it. 0.51

00:11:07.000 They're basically Unitarians with chopped liver. 0.97

00:11:11.000 I think you just hit the nail on the head.

00:11:13.000 It all comes down to dinner parties.

00:11:16.000 Howard Stern threw Alex Jones under the bus when Alex Jones was booted off of Twitter. 0.61

00:11:20.000 He said, you don't yell fire in a crowded theater, that old trope.

00:11:23.000 Howard Stern is Mr. Free Speech.

00:11:25.000 Why would he do that?

00:11:26.000 Dinner parties.

00:11:27.000 Absolutely.

00:11:28.000 They see what happens with Alan Dershowitz.

00:11:30.000 He's not invited to the Martha's Vineyard dinner parties anymore.

00:11:33.000 They already have enough money, so they go, from now on, everything that comes out of my mouth is to facilitate more dinner parties.

00:11:40.000 I imagine.

00:11:41.000 I've never been to that kind of dinner party, but they don't have kosher ones.

00:11:44.000 We've set our own.

00:11:45.000 We would have to be kosher, you know. 0.79

00:11:47.000 Outcast kosher dinner parties. 1.00

00:11:49.000 Outcast kosher doesn't. 0.98

00:11:51.000 I can think of a few people.

00:11:52.000 It would be quite an interesting crowd, actually.

00:11:54.000 But in general, though, yes, the social scene, I can only say it based on my understanding, because it's not something I've ever personally, you know, I went to an Ivy League school, but I didn't become any more Ivy League by virtue of it.

00:12:07.000 I got a good education.

00:12:08.000 But the people who were part of a network when we started school were part of a slightly bigger network when school was over.

00:12:16.000 They weren't inviting me into it.

00:12:18.000 That was fine.

00:12:19.000 They didn't owe me anything.

00:12:20.000 He sounds kind of mad.

00:12:22.000 Do you want to say something to the camera to them?

00:12:24.000 I'm still going to find you.

00:12:26.000 I'm still going to.

00:12:28.000 No, actually, they're not watching.

00:12:31.000 No offense.

00:12:32.000 No, I mean, they're actually on their yachts.

00:12:35.000 I mean, you know, it's no problem.

00:12:38.000 No, no complaints.

00:12:41.000 So I don't know about it firsthand.

00:12:42.000 I don't know about that scene firsthand, but that's the, it's hard not to get that impression.

00:12:46.000 I mean, James Terrell identified it as the Strange New Respect Award, you know, back in the, probably the early 80s.

00:12:53.000 You know, what do they call it?

00:12:54.000 Sorry, I don't know.

00:12:54.000 Strange New Respect Award.

00:12:55.000 A conservative comes to town and all of a sudden starts liking the experience of being part of the elite and getting invited to the right dinner parties and all of a sudden it becomes moderate.

00:13:06.000 And then an article comes out in the Times of the Post that says, there's a strange new respect now for Senator X. You know, people who thought of him as a firebrander now, you mentioned George W. Bush.

00:13:18.000 Why?

00:13:19.000 He wasn't as effect.

00:13:20.000 At the time, he was really, you know, looked like a Reagan-type conservative.

00:13:25.000 Turns out that he's kind of mushy in the middle.

00:13:28.000 He's a neocon who opened up the borders.

00:13:30.000 On the borders, he was disastrous.

00:13:32.000 I mean, I frankly blame his inner circle for that.

00:13:35.000 I mean, he relied on certain people to tell him what to do with certain things.

00:13:40.000 And that was one that he thought didn't think out very well, I think.

00:13:45.000 But Trump owes nothing to anyone, hardly listens to anyone.

00:13:50.000 Right.

00:13:52.000 Does it his way.

00:13:54.000 And the funny thing is, no one thought of him as a conservative 10 years ago.

00:14:00.000 He was a regular American.

00:14:01.000 That's what he is still.

00:14:03.000 And that's what the Democrats miss is that he's a regular American.

00:14:08.000 The positions that he holds about fundamental things like sovereignty, like the number of sexes that there are in the human race.

00:14:16.000 It's just dad politics.

00:14:17.000 People always ask me, when did you become radicalized or why did you go so far right?

00:14:21.000 I go, I don't have far-right politics.

00:14:23.000 I have dad politics.

00:14:24.000 I want to keep my money.

00:14:25.000 I want to be able to give it to my kids tax-free.

00:14:28.000 JFK would be pretty comfortable with these platforms.

00:14:32.000 Right.

00:14:32.000 Well, look at Obama and Hillary.

00:14:34.000 They were against gay marriage in 2004.

00:14:37.000 They talked about the borders.

00:14:38.000 They talked about not building a wall, but they talked about securing our borders.

00:14:42.000 I don't think either one of them ever was particularly enamored of any particular policy.

00:14:46.000 I think it was all about getting into office.

00:14:49.000 I think if you would have asked Hillary, if you had shaken her and woken her up from her slumber, right, at 3 in the morning 20 years ago and asked gay marriage yes or no, I think like most normal people, because I think she wasn't the Hillary that she is today, she would have given you an honest answer.

00:15:04.000 How do you understand?

00:15:05.000 It's a non-sequitur, a weak gay marriage. 0.97

00:15:08.000 She's not going to say go bother people, not going to say get into people's private lives, but of course not.

00:15:15.000 Well, the party moved left.

00:15:17.000 The Democrats are built on coalition.

00:15:20.000 Coalition model ultimately consumes itself.

00:15:23.000 These guys, these soft pink old people who are running the party, can't say no. 1.00

00:15:30.000 There's nowhere they can draw the line.

00:15:32.000 And it's so funny to read the comments on Twitter from people on the left who are always projecting their experiences onto the right.

00:15:42.000 They will never draw the line.

00:15:44.000 The Democratic Party, I mean, they have this debate in Florida, and they ask Gillem, well, would you, if you got a detainer from ICE, would you respect?

00:15:56.000 He couldn't answer.

00:15:58.000 Because he knows if he answers, of course I would, you know, it's the law of the land, I have to do it.

00:16:05.000 He's not going to lose votes because those votes aren't moving the other way, but he's going to lose donors.

00:16:09.000 she's going to lose enthusiasm. 0.65

00:16:13.000 Well, that's what I keep saying to the left.

00:16:15.000 I don't know what you want.

00:16:17.000 So we have the DNC saying we're going to abolish ICE.

00:16:20.000 What do you mean?

00:16:21.000 There's no borders?

00:16:22.000 There's no immigration? 0.99

00:16:23.000 So we're the only country in the world that doesn't have borders?

00:16:27.000 So they don't answer questions like that, and they're not asked by the people that they allow themselves to be exposed to.

00:16:34.000 You know what else is a remarkable thing to note?

00:16:36.000 If you just look at the quality of the people we're talking about, think of who represent who, look, the Senate in general is not exactly the world's greatest deliberative body, or maybe it is.

00:16:46.000 It's even scarier for either side.

00:16:50.000 But look at the people who are representing, you know, the hacks, the absolute party, you know, Kirsten Gillibrand, where did she come from?

00:17:00.000 I don't know how long you've been living in New York.

00:17:03.000 Not that long.

00:17:04.000 I've been here my whole life.

00:17:05.000 Person I never heard of, occupying, you know, the Senate seat that was Patrick Moynihan.

00:17:14.000 Just nothing.

00:17:18.000 Menendez from New Jersey, my state, a Gornish, a nothing.

00:17:24.000 These people are undistinguished people.

00:17:27.000 I think the DNC has never had less substance.

00:17:30.000 And the idea that hate has no home here, all their eggs are in that basket.

00:17:35.000 We're against Nazis.

00:17:36.000 And you go, wow, that's a brave stance.

00:17:40.000 Right, right.

00:17:40.000 You're against the German army in 1943?

00:17:43.000 So were we.

00:17:44.000 Then we won.

00:17:45.000 Right.

00:17:45.000 The only way to define, therefore you have to define anyone who disagrees with you as a Nazi.

00:17:51.000 Look, hate.

00:17:52.000 Disagreeing with you about a policy is hate.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

00:17:56.000 I figured it out.

00:17:57.000 I want to enforce mass egalitarianism across the country, right?

00:18:01.000 So more fat Jewish guys play basketball. 1.00

00:18:05.000 Not calling you fat.

00:18:07.000 Everyone, this pizza pie that represents the demographics of the country has to be represented in absolutely everything.

00:18:13.000 That's a very radical thing.

00:18:15.000 But they say if you have a problem with that, then that's hate.

00:18:18.000 So if you don't want every company to have at least one female CEO and that enforced by the government, then you hate women because you don't want them to be CEOs. 1.00

00:18:26.000 It's not quite.

00:18:27.000 You have to say it.

00:18:29.000 You don't have to actually do it.

00:18:30.000 Apple's board is, as far as I understand it, pretty much Lily White and pretty much male.

00:18:38.000 Companies like that, they are posturing.

00:18:41.000 They're doing what they have to do to make money and to play the corporate game, to be part of the appropriate boycotts.

00:18:48.000 Oh, NRA is out, fine.

00:18:50.000 We'll do three months of NRA is out.

00:18:52.000 Then we'll do our co-branding.

00:18:54.000 It's all situational.

00:18:56.000 The stuff comes and goes.

00:18:57.000 So they just put the female CEO in the window and pay her a random sign. 1.00

00:19:01.000 She doesn't have any authority? 0.99

00:19:02.000 The CEO part is a little bit more complicated than who's on the board.

00:19:07.000 At the end of the day, there are not that many of them running too many of these tech companies.

00:19:10.000 Right, I'm getting the story wrong, aren't I?

00:19:12.000 It's not they have to have a female CEO. 1.00

00:19:14.000 They just have to have at least one female on the board. 1.00

00:19:16.000 Is that it?

00:19:17.000 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, the California law, which it's obviously going to be attacked.

00:19:25.000 I'm not sure whether or not I don't know where it's going to go.

00:19:30.000 I don't know what the attack will look like.

00:19:32.000 People care about the bottom line.

00:19:33.000 You can make up a bunch of stuff.

00:19:35.000 You can say they've ruined comedy, they've started ruining movies, political correctness ruins a lot of fun.

00:19:40.000 But when it starts hitting the wallet, you start getting that.

00:19:43.000 And conversely, when you start giving people jobs, they go, Yeah, I don't care about what he said in a bus about a woman's genitalia.

00:19:52.000 I have a job now.

00:19:54.000 So the DNC is hurting themselves by threatening our wallets, and the GOP is helping themselves by throwing money around, not even throwing money, allowing money to prosper.

00:20:05.000 Well, I mean, hopefully what we're seeing, what we're experiencing and perceiving in the news, not only in our social media silo, or even the one you got kicked out of, and I'm sure you have no idea what's going on on Twitter now.

00:20:18.000 I don't.

00:20:19.000 But whatever, the point is, you know, you can fool yourself.

00:20:22.000 I think a lot of us fooled ourselves about Romney.

00:20:25.000 There's all of them.

00:20:25.000 There's all this enthusiasm.

00:20:27.000 Because people were angry then.

00:20:28.000 People were unhappy then.

00:20:29.000 Well, I think the right wants to work.

00:20:32.000 We want to appease them in a way.

00:20:34.000 We want everything to go smoothly.

00:20:36.000 So I think a lot of us saw that the left liked Jeb.

00:20:39.000 And for maybe a millisecond, I went, okay, maybe it's a compromise.

00:20:43.000 Will you shut up if we go down to the Jeb level?

00:20:48.000 Will you be nice to us?

00:20:50.000 Or with Mitt Romney, we went, okay, he's the squarest guy in the world.

00:20:52.000 I don't see any balls there, but you don't seem to hate him.

00:20:55.000 Can we do Romney?

00:20:56.000 And then you realize they're not interested in any kind of compromise.

00:20:59.000 So then we go, fine, we're getting Trump in.

00:21:01.000 Yeah, I mean, these are historic times.

00:21:05.000 I mean, this is unlike anything that, you know, politically that we've ever seen before.

00:21:10.000 I mean, when you have a guy like Lindsey Graham saying, you know, I'm taking over this committee next year, the Judiciary Committee, and this is going to be pre-Kavanaugh and post-Kavanaugh.

00:21:23.000 Lindsey Graham, the, I mean, he was like one of the standard punchlines that we had until 60 days ago was Lindsey Graham.

00:21:32.000 And now he's been turned into a hero of the beach.

00:21:37.000 It's a meme.

00:21:38.000 Like people use that picture and Photoshop it in to all kinds of different things.

00:21:43.000 The one where he's smiling.

00:21:44.000 The one where he's adjusting his tie.

00:21:46.000 That's kind of an unpopular meme.

00:21:48.000 The best one I saw for that was the Saturday Night Fever.

00:21:53.000 The opening shot for Saturday Night Fever.

00:21:55.000 They played the music for, what is it?

00:21:58.000 No, don't don't, don't, don't, don't.

00:22:00.000 Right.

00:22:01.000 Saturday Night.

00:22:01.000 Bee Gees.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, but what was the name of that song?

00:22:04.000 Saturday Night Fever.

00:22:05.000 My brain can only fit certain things.

00:22:07.000 I got Bee Gee's, Saturday Night Fever, we're done.

00:22:10.000 Can I change course a little bit here?

00:22:11.000 Staying alive.

00:22:12.000 Staying alive.

00:22:12.000 You knew that.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, let's change course.

00:22:15.000 What's your social life like?

00:22:17.000 Because I see you as very similar to Alan Dershowitz in that you're both academics, you're both very free speechy.

00:22:22.000 His social life's over.

00:22:23.000 He's not invited to dinner parties.

00:22:25.000 He won't be invited to a dinner party for two years, I would imagine.

00:22:28.000 You're saying has someone who has been conspicuously conservative and who will come on a show with Gavin McInnes.

00:22:36.000 Right, right.

00:22:38.000 How's that affected?

00:22:41.000 Most people that I deal with have very little to do with social media.

00:22:45.000 First of all, the Orthodox Church community I live in, people are really busy with their lives.

00:22:50.000 They have very big families.

00:22:53.000 We stay involved with our families throughout the life cycle so that children don't tend to move very far away.

00:22:59.000 We have lots of grandchildren.

00:23:00.000 We're very busy making a living, involved in worship, ritual stuff.

00:23:06.000 Can we do that?

00:23:07.000 And spitting out kids.

00:23:09.000 That's all about.

00:23:10.000 So people aren't all that busy tracking.

00:23:14.000 I'm not aware of anyone who I otherwise would be dealing with, other than perhaps on Facebook, which I...

00:23:27.000 No more than I have been conservative.

00:23:29.000 Because you've always been conservative.

00:23:30.000 I've always been conservative, and I've always been outspoken.

00:23:37.000 Look, I have family members who say to me, who said to me years ago, during the Reagan era, right, how could a Jewish person be a Republican?

00:23:46.000 I thought it was a stupid question then.

00:23:48.000 But I don't see now how a Jewish person could be a Democrat. 0.99

00:23:50.000 If you identify yourself as, I mean, I understand how a Jewish person could be anything.

00:23:54.000 Trotsky was a Jewish person.

00:23:56.000 But if you identify with Jewish values, if that has meaning to you and you look at the party that includes Larry Ellison and Keith Ellis.

00:24:08.000 Keith Ellis.

00:24:09.000 The guy holding the handbook.

00:24:11.000 Right.

00:24:11.000 I mean, this whole radicalization, I mean, listen, what's happening in the UK with Labor is simply a preview of where we're going with the Democrat Party.

00:24:21.000 The reason they don't crack down on anti-Semitism is because their base wants anti-Semitism.

00:24:29.000 And that's where we're going.

00:24:30.000 Nice bedfellows, Jews. 1.00

00:24:33.000 These guys, listen, so there's certain who throughout history, Jews show up in a country, get comfortable, demonstrate group excellence, get wealthy, get welcomed into elite, and leave the Jewishness on the table. 1.00

00:24:53.000 And you have last names hanging around, you know, and cultural preferences.

00:25:00.000 They're like ginos, Jews in name only. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Sometimes, well, you know, the rule is, you know, if you, at this point in history, if you meet a young person with a Jewish last name, that's the person in like a Hebrew school that you know is not Jewish.

00:25:17.000 Because the father, that means they have their father's name.

00:25:20.000 Oh, okay.

00:25:20.000 And intermarriage is higher than 50%.

00:25:23.000 So the one with the Jewish last name is the kid who actually is, because we do matrilineal descent.

00:25:30.000 So you know that that's the one whose mother is Asian or, you know, or you know, like this. 0.86

00:25:35.000 Can I ask you a dumb question?

00:25:36.000 So Orthodox. 0.84

00:25:37.000 This is the first dumb question you think you're asking?

00:25:39.000 Well, hold on to your hat.

00:25:41.000 Orthodox, is that where the women have to wear wigs? 0.98

00:25:44.000 They don't have to wear wigs, but they're supposed to cover their hair.

00:25:48.000 Your wife covers her hair? 1.00

00:25:49.000 Yeah, my wife does that. 1.00

00:25:50.000 Oh.

00:25:51.000 But she doesn't have to shave her head. 0.91

00:25:52.000 No, some Hasidim from Hungary do that with the shaving of the head, and we don't. 0.71

00:25:59.000 I see.

00:26:00.000 That's legal.

00:26:01.000 Is there sort of a.

00:26:02.000 Because I sense animosity from normal liberal Jews towards the Hasidim, because I lived in Williamsburg for 10 years, and there was some. 0.96

00:26:10.000 Well, Williamsburg is a complicated issue.

00:26:12.000 I mean, the Hasidim in Williamsburg are, they feel very much as if they have been under siege for a very long time.

00:26:20.000 They have been.

00:26:22.000 This is what a community that grew out of the rump of survivors from World War II.

00:26:27.000 They've exploded.

00:26:28.000 They get married in their late teens.

00:26:30.000 They go right into having big families.

00:26:32.000 And then Robert Moses comes along, destroys the neighborhood, completely makes life intolerable there.

00:26:38.000 Some of them move to the suburbs.

00:26:41.000 Some of them stay in Williamsburg well before the hipsters discovered Williamsburg. 0.91

00:26:44.000 The conceding were manning, batting down the hatches there.

00:26:48.000 And so now the hipsters come in. 0.63

00:26:50.000 You did that, by the way.

00:26:52.000 I gentrified.

00:26:52.000 Exactly.

00:26:54.000 You're one of those guys.

00:26:55.000 I brought the hipsters like the Pied Piper. 1.00

00:26:57.000 You made a lot of money for a lot of people.

00:26:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 Well, we also, we didn't take over the Hasidic Jews are on the other side of the BQE. 0.96

00:27:07.000 This side was just warehouses and crackheads.

00:27:10.000 So it was easy to just explode.

00:27:12.000 And all those warehouses were owned by Jewish businesses.

00:27:15.000 And, you know, some of them still lived in Williamsburg.

00:27:17.000 Some of them lived in other neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

00:27:19.000 But they're not necessarily...

00:27:27.000 It's going to be much cooler with you than with a Jew who wants to start off with them. 1.00

00:27:32.000 They just don't want to hear about it.

00:27:33.000 Right.

00:27:34.000 It's amazing that that culture can be so phenomenally different than the rest of the country and survive.

00:27:40.000 I mean, they discourage women from reading.

00:27:43.000 They have the shaved head thing.

00:27:45.000 They have those strange fur hats and the jompers, whatever, the knee-high socks and all that stuff.

00:27:51.000 And you go, how the hell did not only you maintain your culture, but maintain the exact look?

00:27:57.000 I mean, it hasn't even changed in 100 years.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, I mean, to some extent, it's a bit of an artifice.

00:28:01.000 I mean, Hasinim in Europe didn't all look as uniform as they do now. 1.00

00:28:06.000 But part of the strategy that was decided on by some very important leaders after the war was to basically develop this sort of esprit de corps and a really insular focus.

00:28:20.000 You know, how are we going to survive the freedom of America?

00:28:24.000 Because for Europe, until they actually start actually killing Jews in Europe, which they were doing on a regular basis, but it had the advantage of the intolerance in Europe, had the advantage of keeping Jews more or less on the farm. 0.76

00:28:38.000 In America, anyone could be anything.

00:28:42.000 So the decision was made to make things really unsuitable.

00:28:44.000 You're either in or you're out.

00:28:46.000 People who are associated with my kind of part of the modern world's Orthodox Jewish, strictly Orthodox Jewish movement, are a little bit more integrated.

00:29:00.000 I'm really of two minds about it because when I lived in Quebec, it's very anti-English there.

00:29:06.000 And they literally have word police who go around and they take a picture of your sign.

00:29:11.000 And if it says Joe's shoes, bigger than Chausil de Joe, you get a fine.

00:29:16.000 And you have to close down your company.

00:29:17.000 They have big problems with McDonald's and all these other people, these chains.

00:29:22.000 And you have to send your kids to French school. 0.86

00:29:24.000 And, you know, you send your kids to French school, they start counting in French, these faint trends, caroms.

00:29:31.000 And the next thing you know, you've got in their brains.

00:29:33.000 So it's a form of thought control, all this language policing.

00:29:36.000 It's language policing.

00:29:38.000 And then I left, and I look back at now, we just visited Montreal recently, and I thought, I'm kind of impressed.

00:29:44.000 I mean, the accent that they have is a 400-year-old accent.

00:29:48.000 Like, they say thou and thus.

00:29:50.000 They sound like pompous sword fighters when you hear, like, they call a car a char, but it's not because it sounds like car.

00:29:57.000 It comes from chariot.

00:29:59.000 So if you find a 100-year-old French person in the mountains, you'll hear that same Quebec accent.

00:30:05.000 So I kind of admire it now that I'm distant.

00:30:07.000 But this goes to the whole question of nationalism.

00:30:10.000 To what extent should, let's say that no one's bothering anybody else.

00:30:14.000 We're talking entirely in a freedom.

00:30:16.000 How healthy is it for humankind for people to retain tribal modalities of life? 0.99

00:30:23.000 First of all, in order to do it, there's unquestioned that there's going to have to be some sense, some sort of coercion.

00:30:30.000 It could be mild, like, you know, talking about signs.

00:30:32.000 Right.

00:30:33.000 But at the end of the day, you know, you're going to choose to bring your children up in a certain way.

00:30:38.000 Well, with the Hasidic community, if you leave, that's your persona non grata. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Your persona non.

00:30:43.000 Well, you know, that's not necessarily true.

00:30:44.000 I know Hasidim who have families who've gone off the way, and those family members are welcome back. 1.00

00:30:51.000 What the book Unorthodox said.

00:30:53.000 Well, you can't believe everything you read.

00:30:56.000 I'm telling you from first-hand experience, there are different.

00:31:00.000 That's the first time you've ever been annoyed with me, I think.

00:31:03.000 That's a good one.

00:31:04.000 Time code that.

00:31:05.000 Make it a gif.

00:31:06.000 No, no, but listen, reading, well, Unorthodox is a book with an agenda.

00:31:11.000 And it's not the book Ron Coleman would write about the same community.

00:31:15.000 Fact is, what's more of a threat to Hasidim isn't the guy who becomes non-religious. 0.99

00:31:21.000 It's the guy who maintains that he's still being religious, but not the way they say.

00:31:27.000 That's more of a threat, because then you might mistake that for the real thing, as opposed to someone who just goes and does his own thing.

00:31:34.000 And, you know, what can you do?

00:31:37.000 He's lost it.

00:31:39.000 The ones who stick around are bad for the brand.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:43.000 It's complex.

00:31:44.000 There are a lot of different Hasidic groups and a lot of different, you know, there are cooler Hasidim. 0.89

00:31:49.000 There are some Hasidim who run a lot of technology companies. 1.00

00:31:54.000 I saw Poblith one once.

00:31:55.000 I'm sure you.

00:31:56.000 He said it was in the Torah that God said you should try everything I provide for you.

00:32:01.000 Well, that is something that we find in the Talmud.

00:32:06.000 And it's not in and of itself an unreasonable position to take.

00:32:10.000 But I had a feeling he wasn't just trying it for the.

00:32:14.000 Well, no, no.

00:32:15.000 But he had all the gear.

00:32:16.000 He had the payas and everything.

00:32:17.000 No, no, I believe that he was for real.

00:32:20.000 I'm totally fascinated by this subject because, like, say the black community, for example.

00:32:24.000 I don't like names like Shaquan and Rashida, or maybe Rashida's not bad, but You look at Michelle Obama.

00:32:32.000 Her dad, south south of Chicago, handicapped guy, had those crutches that go up your arms, stuck by his family, gave her a normal name, made sure she had an education, provided for her.

00:32:42.000 He let out the path for her success.

00:32:46.000 You know, she's my classmate at Princeton.

00:32:48.000 Really?

00:32:49.000 Wow.

00:32:50.000 When you have kids with different names and they develop, you know, even here in the hood, you have a different accent.

00:32:56.000 And it's this self-segregation that ends up hindering the person because they don't want On the other hand, look at the message you're sending out, right?

00:33:08.000 You have an identity.

00:33:10.000 It's not a corporate identity.

00:33:12.000 It's not a look that would have been accepted in the 1950s America that supposedly conservatives want to go back to, right?

00:33:21.000 But I am saying f ⁇ off. 1.00

00:33:25.000 Like I am trying to.

00:33:26.000 And that's.

00:33:26.000 I'm saying get away from me.

00:33:28.000 So if you want to name your kid with an African name or a made-up African-sounding name or with some other kind of ethnic name, that's a call, right? 0.94

00:33:28.000 So that's the thing. 0.94

00:33:38.000 That's a decision that you're making.

00:33:40.000 And so in the case, for example, of Hasidim, and I think to a large extent in the black community, they are making that decision to say, we want to keep you here.

00:33:51.000 But with the Hasidic community, it seems to work, and with the black community, it doesn't seem to work. 0.99

00:33:56.000 Well, there are many variables besides the zip codes.

00:34:03.000 Well, let me give you an example.

00:34:06.000 I often say that racism is overblown and it's not really a thing, especially in 2018, just bust your ass and it'll work out.

00:34:12.000 And yes, there's examples of someone using a horrible racial epithet, but you'll also find the opposite.

00:34:17.000 So it all balances out.

00:34:18.000 We're all the same.

00:34:18.000 Just get to work and shut up.

00:34:20.000 And they say, oh, yeah, well, what about black applications, job applications?

00:34:25.000 They tend to get rejected more than white ones.

00:34:28.000 And there's even been people who have used the same application and they'll have Shaniqua Williams and she'll get picked up less.

00:34:34.000 And to that I say, Shaniqua Williams is very different from Michelle Obama.

00:34:39.000 When you read Michelle Obama, it sounds like someone who wants to work.

00:34:43.000 When you read Shaniqua, it says to the employer, I come from a culture where we're distancing ourselves from the mainstream.

00:34:50.000 Well, it is.

00:34:51.000 These are flags.

00:34:52.000 These are flags, especially when you're doing, when you're hiring, you are looking for shortcuts to telling you about how dependable that person is going to be, how acculturated that person is going to be, what the person's work ethic is.

00:35:04.000 And a decision was made by our judicial rulers that criteria such as those or ones like them that might align and correlate very closely with race could get you in trouble.

00:35:20.000 But they're rational, as to some extent IQ testing is rational.

00:35:25.000 Now, some people disagree about IQ testing, but in the free market, I should be able to be wrong about that if I want to.

00:35:31.000 I see.

00:35:32.000 But here we are.

00:35:34.000 I mean, you're right.

00:35:35.000 That's a decision that people are making, and it is a problem in our community to some extent, not so much the names, because I think because of what you're describing, there are lots of names out there.

00:35:46.000 In other words, there are all kinds of names.

00:35:47.000 There are a lot of Israelis and second generation Israeli immigrants who are not Jewishly observant at all, but who have funny Jewish-sounding names.

00:35:57.000 And they're all over the corporate world.

00:35:59.000 That's really not a thing.

00:36:00.000 In my experience, I've been on panels discussing intellectual property issues with very diverse panels, with people with very diverse numbers of consonants and vowels in their names.

00:36:13.000 I think that's much less of an issue.

00:36:15.000 You're right.

00:36:16.000 I'm using it as a microcosm to talk about a different thing.

00:36:20.000 I wish that Americans had more of the traits of Hasidic Jews or blacks, not that blacks aren't Americans, but or Quebecois. 0.98

00:36:31.000 I wish your average American was more arrogant and more protecting, but there's this self-hatred that you get from, especially from the left, where they go, America was never great.

00:36:42.000 It's guilt.

00:36:43.000 They feel guilt for some reason about being heirs to prosperity and freedom.

00:36:50.000 And rather than actually give away what they have or really make sacrifices, I'm not saying no one does, but the vast majority of these people who are living in Westchester, living in comfortable locations, they want to feel good about themselves.

00:37:09.000 Listen, the reason, in my view, why Obama was so successful as an electoral phenomenon was that here was a black guy that people with no particular political issues, he came across as a moderate, and he came across as a black guy you could vote for, and people wanted to, most people want to feel good about themselves, and they want to reassure themselves that they're not racist.

00:37:32.000 So you think he was an affirmative action president that we voted to feel better about ourselves?

00:37:37.000 No one with a resume that thin would otherwise ever have gotten to be.

00:37:39.000 You know, I remember when he was elected too, a relative of mine said, I was very surprised that a racist country like America would elect a black president.

00:37:47.000 And I felt, on behalf of America, I felt insulted.

00:37:51.000 And I went, what country do you think you're living in?

00:37:54.000 But here's the thing about these isolated self-segregators.

00:37:58.000 Canada is very anti-Canadian.

00:38:00.000 And I remember during the World Cup, you'd never have the Canadian flag on your car.

00:38:05.000 You'd have the Brazilian flag.

00:38:06.000 So you'd go back through your history and you'd find an Irish granddad or something that wasn't Canadian, and that was you.

00:38:13.000 I'm Brazilian.

00:38:14.000 That's my idea.

00:38:15.000 So my mother came from Cuba.

00:38:16.000 Her parents were Polish.

00:38:17.000 You know that.

00:38:18.000 Her parents were Polish immigrants, Jewish Poles who left in the 30s.

00:38:22.000 And people say, well, why Cuba?

00:38:24.000 I say, because it wasn't Poland.

00:38:25.000 That's good enough reason.

00:38:26.000 And this is post-revolution, of course.

00:38:28.000 No, they left right before Castro took her.

00:38:32.000 They were there for 20 years.

00:38:33.000 Oh.

00:38:33.000 35 to 56 or so.

00:38:37.000 Yes, real bad luck.

00:38:38.000 Yes, that's right.

00:38:39.000 Keep an eye on Coleman, because if you see me on a boat, get the hell out.

00:38:44.000 Fly New York.

00:38:45.000 Not as bad as the ones who stayed in Poland, though. 0.97

00:38:48.000 So we, or score Cuba.

00:38:51.000 My mother can't stand when people fly flags of other countries. 0.99

00:38:57.000 She says, I became an American.

00:38:59.000 I'm an American citizen.

00:39:00.000 I came here to be an American, not to fly.

00:39:03.000 I also don't like this, frankly, when Jewish people wave Israeli flags. 0.88

00:39:06.000 Okay, you want to go to the Israeli Day Parade?

00:39:08.000 That's a special segregated event for your rooting for your favorite team.

00:39:12.000 I'll be frankly.

00:39:13.000 Rooting for your favorite team is very different.

00:39:15.000 And Hasidic Jews, I'm just using them as an example, is a group that has isolated themselves, but they don't seem to affect anything around them.

00:39:23.000 So, okay, it seems weird.

00:39:25.000 Quebec has maintained a country within a country.

00:39:28.000 And that's a feat I now admire.

00:39:30.000 And I wish Americans did that more.

00:39:33.000 Black America, I'm frustrated by the lack of assimilation in certain areas.

00:39:37.000 And I wish that there was less animosity from a certain part of that black community.

00:39:43.000 But then you have a Muslim group.

00:39:45.000 And it's diametrically opposed to the Hasidic example, where when Muslims get to 10%, they start to want to alter the entire system and change the laws. 0.98

00:39:57.000 And we've got Linda Sarsour.

00:39:59.000 She's an advocate for Sharia law.

00:40:01.000 You look at Luton, where Tommy Robinson is.

00:40:02.000 He's going on trial tomorrow.

00:40:05.000 Luton, the police, the Muslims there live above the law. 1.00

00:40:08.000 It's got the smallest police force in Britain, and they are petrified of the Muslim. 0.99

00:40:12.000 If you bust a Muslim there, you're going to get the police station shut down. 1.00

00:40:16.000 Be like Mexico. 1.00

00:40:17.000 I don't know.

00:40:18.000 I never would have thought that England would fold so, so fast.

00:40:24.000 You know, if you told me the French, on the one hand, yes.

00:40:27.000 No, but on the other hand, the French are really rabid nationalists.

00:40:31.000 In some respects, they've pushed back in a way that the English do not seem to have the backbone to do.

00:40:36.000 No.

00:40:36.000 Well, you know, last time I was there, I was for Tommy's trial, and I just looked around and I thought, did you guys use up all your brave people in the war?

00:40:44.000 Because there's just the sort of blue collars, the soccer hooligans, are the only ones with any balls left.

00:40:50.000 The rest are happily handing over their country to grooming gangs.

00:40:55.000 They call them Asian.

00:40:56.000 Even the name is infuriating.

00:40:58.000 What, Chinese grooming gangs? 0.76

00:41:00.000 Can you be a little more specific?

00:41:01.000 It's called Pakistani.

00:41:03.000 Yeah, it's really something.

00:41:04.000 But I mean, they don't seem to be capable of being embarrassed.

00:41:09.000 Like, they're not embarrassed about it.

00:41:11.000 No.

00:41:12.000 It's the world that they're living in.

00:41:13.000 No, they're mad.

00:41:14.000 Well, I guess the answer to this conundrum is, I understand you want your culture. 0.71

00:41:20.000 That's great.

00:41:21.000 But can you have one foot next to the flag?

00:41:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:26.000 What?

00:41:26.000 Like, be segregated.

00:41:28.000 I understand that's what culture is.

00:41:30.000 It's tribes.

00:41:31.000 So have your tribe, but at least love the host country.

00:41:34.000 Start with gratitude.

00:41:35.000 Yes, great.

00:41:36.000 Start with gratitude.

00:41:37.000 Maimonides explained that a person's relationship with God should fundamentally be based on gratitude, and you learn how to be have gratitude towards God by the way you should have gratitude toward your parents.

00:41:49.000 And it's just all the more so.

00:41:50.000 Someone gives to you their entire life should be a healthy parent.

00:41:55.000 Not an entire life, but they make tremendous sacrifices so that you can A, exist and flourish and grow and have opportunity.

00:42:02.000 God does all this and makes the whole world for you.

00:42:06.000 You come to a country that isn't your country. 1.00

00:42:09.000 I remember my grandfather, blessed memory, he used to go out.

00:42:12.000 His name was Yonkel, which is a diminutive of the Jewish name Yaakov, which is Jacob Yonkel.

00:42:19.000 And he used to say, I'm Yankee Doodle.

00:42:22.000 I'm Yankee Doodle.

00:42:24.000 I'm a Yankee Doodle.

00:42:25.000 He was so proud to be an American.

00:42:27.000 Now, he was a member of the Jewish labor bond. 0.71

00:42:31.000 He was a democratic socialist.

00:42:34.000 It didn't go along with being, he was certainly no reactionary, far from it, but it was just a really basic understanding that patriotism wasn't something that only existed for the right wing.

00:42:48.000 And the fact that there might be things to apologize in American history, and there are, obviously there are, but we're all in this together.

00:42:55.000 We're all Native Americans.

00:42:56.000 Well, not you.

00:42:57.000 But I was born in Queens.

00:42:58.000 That makes me, I'm as a Native American like Donald Trump.

00:43:00.000 We were both born in Queens, okay?

00:43:02.000 Your ancestor being born, you know, you want to sit at the table and divvy up grievances based on the past?

00:43:09.000 I win every time.

00:43:10.000 I'm not busy with that.

00:43:12.000 I'm busy with building my community, contributing, doing what I can.

00:43:16.000 If I can go and win a case that helps everyone, that's fantastic for me.

00:43:20.000 If I win a case that just helps me pay the mortgage, that's fantastic for me too.

00:43:26.000 Well, I think we're getting to the point now where a lot of immigrants come here and they see this lack of gratitude and they want to assimilate. 1.00

00:43:34.000 So hating your host country is them assimilating. 0.94

00:43:37.000 Like there was this group, the Halifax Five, they were called, up in Canada.

00:43:41.000 And there was an anti-Canada Day thing on Canada Day.

00:43:47.000 And they had F Canada stickers all over the statue of Cornwallis.

00:43:51.000 And these military guys showed up and they said, what are you doing?

00:43:54.000 And there was some woman who called herself Chief Grizzly Mama.

00:43:57.000 She was there.

00:43:58.000 And they said, get out of here, you're disgusting. 1.00

00:44:00.000 And they had the Dominion flag, the flag of Canada previous to the Maple Leaf, and it's got a Union Jack on it and some other stuff.

00:44:06.000 And it's what Canadians wore to battle in World War I and World War II.

00:44:10.000 We only had the new one in 1979 or something.

00:44:14.000 So there was a guy there, and he's an African guy, and he said, take down that flag.

00:44:18.000 That flag is a flag of oppression and slavery.

00:44:22.000 And I could tell by his accent, he couldn't have been here for very long.

00:44:25.000 So he comes to Canada, and his first thing is, that's, I mean, he must have got it from someone.

00:44:30.000 But not only that, I mean, when you talk about oppression and slavery, there's no victim group, including the Jews, that didn't have its moment of oppressing and enslaving others. 0.97

00:44:40.000 World history, until just about 10 minutes ago, was about...

00:44:47.000 You can buy a slave for $400 today.

00:44:49.000 It's to our great credit, and it is to the credit of Western civilization, thank you, that slavery is not acceptable.

00:44:57.000 But that's world history.

00:44:58.000 And black slaves were sold to white slave traders by other blacks.

00:45:06.000 Let's start fresh.

00:45:07.000 Let's build on what we have now.

00:45:09.000 We all have our grievances.

00:45:10.000 We all have our history and our bones to pick.

00:45:13.000 But if we have something in common, I agree with you 100%.

00:45:16.000 It's a terrible thing.

00:45:17.000 This is why this self-hatred is dangerous.

00:45:18.000 And here's another example, by the way, just to stuff up my answer.

00:45:22.000 So there's the guy in, the African guy in Halifax, but then we had this woman climbing the Statue of Liberty.

00:45:27.000 And she made it to the toes, I believe, and She said she's against the human rights violations.

00:45:33.000 She's from the Congo. 0.97

00:45:35.000 In the Congo, children were being forced to rape their mothers at gunpoint.

00:45:40.000 They were making sculptures of human heads, these sort of pyramids of human heads.

00:45:45.000 And she comes here, and her first takeaway is: America sucks.

00:45:49.000 Because the social workers and the relief organizations and the institutionalized do-gooders have been inculcated with this.

00:45:58.000 Right.

00:45:59.000 So she's assimilating. 1.00

00:46:00.000 She's doing her best to be an American, and apparently being an American is being an ingrate. 0.90

00:46:04.000 Okay, I'm an ingrate.

00:46:06.000 And she gets tons of accolades, Lord.

00:46:08.000 She's a hero now.

00:46:09.000 But this is when it gets dangerous.

00:46:10.000 Because you have someone like the Sarnev brothers, right?

00:46:13.000 And they're in class, and their Marxist teacher goes, America sucks, America sucks, America sucks.

00:46:18.000 Slavery stole from the Indians, America sucks. 0.92

00:46:20.000 Then they go back to, I don't know whether they're from Chechnya, Georgia or something, and they go, and their uncles go, America sucks, it's great evil, you've got to join jihad. 0.60

00:46:29.000 And then the next thing you know, they go, well, my teacher did verify that.

00:46:34.000 America does suck. 1.00

00:46:35.000 And now we have the Boston bombing.

00:46:37.000 So all of this ethnomasochism and self-hatred isn't just a frivolous game.

00:46:43.000 It has really serious, dangerous consequences.

00:46:46.000 Well, you know, it didn't really until, frankly, the advent of an assertive Muslim population.

00:46:54.000 I mean, you want to use the Jews by contradistinction.

00:46:57.000 We're not historically aggressive as guests of native countries.

00:47:05.000 Not in that way.

00:47:06.000 There's a general principle in Judaism.

00:47:10.000 It's in Aramaic, Dina de Machusa Dinah.

00:47:13.000 The law of the land is the law.

00:47:14.000 So except to the extent that it impinges on your personal religious obligations.

00:47:19.000 Under to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar.

00:47:21.000 That's where that basically came from.

00:47:22.000 He went to yeshiva after all.

00:47:24.000 And that's the principle.

00:47:26.000 You've got to recognize the value of a stable society.

00:47:31.000 And that as a minority, a strong government and the rule of law are your best friend.

00:47:39.000 Because once that comes to an end, once you have mob rule, the only way that undermining social order is beneficial to a minority is if they intend to not be a minority for very long. 0.65

00:47:52.000 And if they are numerically a minority now, that process of not being a minority might not be very pretty.

00:47:59.000 I think.

00:48:00.000 I quite understand.

00:48:00.000 So you're saying when the team So the fact that the DNC is pushing mob rule and we're in it, I mean, we're seeing windows smashed all the time.

00:48:14.000 Kristallnacht just happened.

00:48:15.000 DNC is pushing political success.

00:48:19.000 Right now, the flavor of the month for them is mob rule.

00:48:23.000 They like their jobs.

00:48:24.000 They like their money.

00:48:25.000 They like their homes.

00:48:26.000 They like the way things work for them.

00:48:28.000 They like their protexia.

00:48:30.000 They're not interested in mob rule.

00:48:31.000 They're interested in the votes of people.

00:48:34.000 You're not going to get the votes.

00:48:35.000 The average American sees this behavior.

00:48:38.000 When Maxine Waters said that, she got the GOP a ton of votes.

00:48:42.000 Like, they're getting Trump re-elected.

00:48:44.000 I'm certainly hoping you're right.

00:48:45.000 But I think that they have no way out.

00:48:47.000 They cannot turn back.

00:48:48.000 They're at the end of a blind alley.

00:48:49.000 They cannot turn back.

00:48:52.000 And I do think that there is a school of thought in those circles that if it's true that what Coleman says and what a lot of other people say, that there's no way out, we will go down the radical path.

00:49:05.000 And it might not be so good for me personally, but I would rather bring down the whole thing.

00:49:09.000 This is George Soros.

00:49:12.000 I'll bring down the whole thing and go to my death feeling like a great hero rather than let people who I consider to be the bad guys win.

00:49:24.000 At that point, you become a true radical.

00:49:27.000 Couldn't have said it better myself, Ron.

00:49:29.000 Great interview, and I love the way you tied it back in a bow.

00:49:32.000 We started with mob rule, ended with mob rule.

00:49:35.000 Perfect little interview.

00:49:36.000 Thanks for having me.

00:49:37.000 Thank you, sir.

00:49:38.000 Great to see you again.

00:49:38.000 Cheers, Ron.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - October 22, 2018

Ep 200 | Ron Coleman | Get Off My Lawn

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