Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Get Off My Lawn #108 | I.C.E. Knowin' Ya

00:00:49.000 Oh, that was the final in a week of Songs That Hate Me, my record collection, attacking me.

00:01:00.000 That band was Operation Ivy, starring Tim Armstrong.

00:01:03.000 Tim Armstrong was the guy who went on to create Rancid.

00:01:06.000 Good guy.

00:01:06.000 I think there was a little shout out to our side in his song Gilman Street, where he talked about, for those of you fighting for free speech, this one's for you.

00:01:16.000 Fingers crossed.

00:01:18.000 Tim Armstrong has a weird gift.

00:01:22.000 Just to be clear here, I hate Somalias. 1.00

00:01:25.000 I think their entire job is BS.

00:01:27.000 However, I do believe there are some freaks out there who have a tongue that can taste the difference between various wines.

00:01:35.000 They represent, I'm going to say, 1% of the population. 0.71

00:01:38.000 Everyone wants to be them and learn wine, but it's all a lie.

00:01:42.000 It's all astrology.

00:01:44.000 That doesn't mean that there aren't like 17 Somalis that are right. 0.73

00:01:49.000 My brother-in-law, for example, I do this blind taste test where I have people try beers.

00:01:55.000 And I've won hundreds of dollars because everyone is so arrogant.

00:01:58.000 Like, yeah, I know the difference between Jack and Makers. 1.00

00:02:02.000 They always get it wrong.

00:02:03.000 I always win the money.

00:02:04.000 It actually, I stopped doing it because it gets mean, especially with women. 1.00

00:02:08.000 They're so confident they know about bourbon.

00:02:11.000 Half the time, they can't differentiate between bourbon and vodka.

00:02:14.000 Try it yourself.

00:02:15.000 You'll be surprised.

00:02:16.000 But my brother-in-law just sat there once, blindfolded, and went, Coors Light, Miller Light, but it was incredible.

00:02:23.000 So he has a weird tongue.

00:02:25.000 And Tim Armstrong has a weird gift.

00:02:29.000 He was the one writing all those songs.

00:02:31.000 He was the one writing all rancid songs.

00:02:32.000 He just sits down and writes hits.

00:02:34.000 And he likes punk, so they end up being punky hits.

00:02:37.000 But the vocalist, Jesse, was apparently devoid of talent.

00:02:41.000 And, you know, history is a great judge of that.

00:02:43.000 So he hasn't done anything but a bunch of crappy drawings since then. 0.98

00:02:48.000 And he also is still stuck in this like, you're a racist thing. 0.53

00:02:52.000 So he's deleted all his tweets that criticized your lovable host, yours truly.

00:02:58.000 And all I have is my reactions now where he said, called me all right. 0.87

00:03:02.000 And I said, I've been opposing the crap out of them for years, hence their constant death threats.

00:03:06.000 Come on my show and discuss. 0.96

00:03:08.000 No, he doesn't want to discuss.

00:03:11.000 And then I said, this sort of sums up the week.

00:03:13.000 First Thilipp Quelly, now up IvyWise, my record collection always yelling at me.

00:03:17.000 This tweet is what inspired the whole theme this week, which is bands that hate me.

00:03:23.000 Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

00:03:27.000 Front page of the post, we got a girl who grew up with a tiger mom and she loved it.

00:03:31.000 And then a guy who just took off.

00:03:34.000 Ice knowing ya.

00:03:36.000 Con escapes immigration agents at JFK.

00:03:39.000 Hail's cab.

00:03:42.000 He's gone.

00:03:43.000 You know who else did this once?

00:03:44.000 I believe Tommy Robinson did this.

00:03:46.000 Because I kept saying, you got to come to New York.

00:03:48.000 Let's do a tour together.

00:03:50.000 And he's not allowed in the States because I believe he just got sick of waiting at customs and being harassed.

00:03:57.000 And he just vanished.

00:03:58.000 You can't do that.

00:04:00.000 At least not and show your face again.

00:04:03.000 At least not do that and then show your face again.

00:04:06.000 I got to stop talking because today we have Katie Hopkins on the show speaking of ostracized Brits. 1.00

00:04:13.000 She is a warrior. 0.90

00:04:15.000 She is our braveheart.

00:04:18.000 She is this generation's braveheart.

00:04:20.000 She is a fearless woman who, as George Orwell did before he became a rock star with 1984, and he lived with the homeless in his book Down and Out in Paris in London.

00:04:31.000 She lived with the homeless the other weekend. 0.97

00:04:34.000 She goes to South Africa and sees firsthand the brutal carnage.

00:04:39.000 Did you see this in the news?

00:04:41.000 There's a woman who is going to face, he's going to prison for three years for using racial epithets.

00:04:47.000 Kefer is the equivalent down there of the N-word up here, and she said it at a cop a bunch of times.

00:04:53.000 So she's going to jail. 1.00

00:04:54.000 Meanwhile, children are being crucified and raped. 0.99

00:04:58.000 Toddlers are being crucified and raped in front of their parents. 0.64

00:05:01.000 And because those guys are part of the ANC, they can often skip charges.

00:05:05.000 So she goes down there and investigates that firsthand.

00:05:07.000 I get worried about her, actually, because she's a woman. 1.00

00:05:10.000 She's my age, younger than me.

00:05:11.000 And it's daunting to see someone, a female, go into these situations.

00:05:17.000 But she is totally and utterly fearless.

00:05:19.000 She was arguing with fat people on a show once, and they said, you don't know what it's like.

00:05:25.000 And she said, okay, she put on 50 pounds and then promptly lost it to show them how weak they are. 1.00

00:05:31.000 So I've been trying to get her for a long time.

00:05:33.000 I am thoroughly honored to have Katie Hopkins on the show.

00:05:38.000 And without further ado, I'm no longer pronouncing that wrong and saying to-do.

00:05:44.000 Miss Katie Hopkins.

00:05:46.000 Katie Hopkins, are you there?

00:05:48.000 I am here.

00:05:50.000 I am here talking to you.

00:05:51.000 You look like you're in an albino dominatrix dungeon.

00:05:55.000 Yes, that's absolutely correct. 0.54

00:05:57.000 I am.

00:05:58.000 I spend Mondays and Wednesdays and Fridays in an albino Matrix dungeon.

00:06:05.000 And on Tuesdays, I work at KFC.

00:06:08.000 Now, we lost our last white North African rhino recently.

00:06:13.000 Is that his leather behind you?

00:06:16.000 Yes.

00:06:17.000 I hunted him myself with a lot of firearms because I'm a Republican and a Conservative.

00:06:23.000 So obviously, like, we're mad about weapons and we just essentially have them at all times.

00:06:27.000 So I went out and shot the last white rhino.

00:06:30.000 And as a tribute, homage to the extinction of that species, I made a headboard out of it, which I think is, I think you'll agree, is very pretty.

00:06:39.000 They're very sensitive, aren't they, the left, about these pictures of giant lions and elephants and why would you kill such a beautiful creature?

00:06:46.000 And I always want to just jump in my Twitter and say, that's how that species thrives.

00:06:52.000 You make them economically viable. 0.96

00:06:54.000 It's good for the lion to get shot. 0.86

00:06:57.000 It's called counterintuitive thinking, you child.

00:07:01.000 Yes, there is.

00:07:02.000 I mean, it's a whole industry.

00:07:04.000 You know, a lot of these lions, just like we have on pheasant farms here, well, when I'm in the UK, we breed pheasants specifically in order for them to be shot.

00:07:14.000 It's so that the land is looked after, the pheasants are looked after. 0.99

00:07:18.000 And also, we make money out of stupid Londoners who work in banks and finance who come down and are rubbish at shooting, but think they can shoot the birds. 1.00

00:07:27.000 And actually, what happens is my colleagues stand behind the rich bankers and shoot the birds for them so that the bankers feel better. 1.00

00:07:34.000 You know, that's how it works.

00:07:37.000 Do you think we're at the most facile time we've been at in decades?

00:07:43.000 I mean, I think so.

00:07:44.000 Obviously, I've only been around for, you know, a couple decades because I'm young and, you know, a lot younger than you and a lot more relevant and a lot more in touch with the youth.

00:07:55.000 Yes, I think we are at, in terms of my lifetime, and I am only bloody 43, even though I look 65, I think we are at peak kind of censorship, peak offense, peak weirdness.

00:08:08.000 You know, today alone, we've had Julian Assange cut off at the embassy, so he no longer has the internet and he's not allowed visitors.

00:08:16.000 And then we had Tommy Robinson chucked off Twitter for good.

00:08:19.000 Yeah.

00:08:20.000 And not to mention, Lauren Southern banned from your country for good for a sort of performance art political statement where she said Allah is LGBTQ. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Yeah, which is kind of a weird idea, isn't it?

00:08:34.000 Because it would be unfortunate.

00:08:36.000 Bear in mind, she was joking. 0.99

00:08:37.000 But if Allah was gay, you know, according to her assertion, that would be a shame because Muslims aren't big fans of the gay community. 0.97

00:08:46.000 So I just don't see where that would work. 0.99

00:08:48.000 Would ISIS need to push him off the top of a building?

00:08:50.000 I don't know.

00:08:51.000 But I do feel sorry for Lauren.

00:08:53.000 You know, I think it was unacceptable, clearly, the treatment she received.

00:08:56.000 And what's interesting, of course, is that a day ago, yeah, a day ago, we sentenced the Parsons Green tube bomber, the subway bomber, and he came through the same port that Lauren tried to come through.

00:09:09.000 He came through Calais.

00:09:10.000 He told the officers there that he'd spent time, three months, training with ISIS. 0.99

00:09:15.000 He was trained to kill the infidel. 1.00

00:09:17.000 And we let him on into the UK. 0.97

00:09:19.000 We gave him a foster home.

00:09:20.000 We gave him an income.

00:09:23.000 And then he took a nail bomb and took it on the subway and tried to blow up school children on the underground. 0.99

00:09:28.000 But because he's a crap jihadi, he failed and his bomb didn't go off. 1.00

00:09:32.000 But my point is, we waved those people through very happily. 1.00

00:09:35.000 And poor little Lauren got stopped.

00:09:37.000 And I think she's been banned for life. 0.87

00:09:39.000 Yes, yeah, that's what her lawyers said, too.

00:09:41.000 It's not just a theory.

00:09:42.000 Well, that's what I mean about facile. 0.97

00:09:45.000 The general consensus is Nazis are bad. 0.99

00:09:48.000 So Lauren, although she made an acerbic and witty point with that display, the Allah is gay thing, it wasn't just, Allah is gay. 0.99

00:09:56.000 She was doing like a social justice warrior parody. 1.00

00:09:59.000 So it was good Jonathan Swift level satire. 0.91

00:10:03.000 Despite her doing that, she's a Nazi. 0.95

00:10:05.000 She has to go. 0.51

00:10:06.000 All other cultures are good.

00:10:07.000 So they come in.

00:10:08.000 And that's the way you think when you're seven years old.

00:10:10.000 And then we have these marches in America for these gun things.

00:10:14.000 And the general consensus of those marches is guns hurt people and we don't want children to die.

00:10:20.000 And you're watching them all going, are you eight?

00:10:23.000 I agree with you.

00:10:24.000 There's more to it than that.

00:10:26.000 Come on.

00:10:28.000 I know.

00:10:28.000 I do get really tired of these marches on two grounds.

00:10:31.000 You know, one, you're just going for a walk. 0.99

00:10:34.000 A bit like I told the ladies with their pussy march. 1.00

00:10:36.000 You know, you did just go for a walk with a banner. 0.99

00:10:40.000 That's what you did.

00:10:41.000 That's all you did.

00:10:42.000 It wasn't some big, you know, march, women's march and just like, march for our lives.

00:10:46.000 Well, you're not really marching for your lives, are you?

00:10:49.000 You're just going for a walk with a banner.

00:10:51.000 And some of these kids are a bit chubby.

00:10:53.000 You know, American kids are known as being the fattest on the planet, so a little walk probably did them good. 1.00

00:10:58.000 But the second thing that really bothers me about these walks that they do, walking everywhere, is they never clear up their damn banners. 0.96

00:11:06.000 So every time I go to cover these events, the day after, there's all their banners all over the place. 0.97

00:11:12.000 And these are all the environmentalists.

00:11:13.000 This is all the right-on kind of climate change lot.

00:11:16.000 This is all the, we must protect our planet, no rubbish in the oceans.

00:11:19.000 But they're very happy to dump all their rubbish little placards all over the place after every March.

00:11:25.000 That's my head in.

00:11:25.000 Well, there's a reason for it, too.

00:11:27.000 It's a definite classist disdain for the workers.

00:11:30.000 Despite them having signs that say workers unite, they don't really see the people in sanitation as viable human beings.

00:11:37.000 And they're just sort of tossing it there going, oh, we're providing work for them.

00:11:40.000 They can clean up my garbage.

00:11:42.000 At the end of the day, they're upper class twits who have no respect for the working man.

00:11:48.000 Yeah, I think that's perfectly true.

00:11:49.000 And I think, you know, all of these marches as well, what's fascinating is when you say to them, when you see them interviewed and they say, right, what's next for you?

00:11:57.000 What's next for this movement?

00:11:59.000 You know, what's going to happen next?

00:12:01.000 And those kids have never thought about it.

00:12:03.000 You know, even though they've clearly got media training, they've clearly had assistance, they've clearly got, I would say, some level of political sponsorship going on and celebrity endorsement and the backing of CNN and others.

00:12:15.000 No one ever sits them down and says, listen, kids, if someone says to you, what's next, you say this, this, and this.

00:12:20.000 And so you hear them go, oh, well, we're just going to march a bit more and, you know, go on social media.

00:12:26.000 What's actually going to happen right now is a whole bunch of kids that were used to being famous for about two minutes are going to sit around and wonder what on earth to do with their lives because there's going to be a massive hole now and they're used to being patted on the head and given attention and told they're fabulous.

00:12:42.000 Their little lives right now, they are not going to know what to do with themselves.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, it's going to be Stormy Daniels all over again.

00:12:48.000 Stormy Daniels is done now.

00:12:49.000 She's had her 60 minutes.

00:12:50.000 She will vanish back into the abyss. 1.00

00:12:53.000 And she's probably used to it because she's used to being treated like a useless slut. 1.00

00:12:56.000 But these kids, they're not going to be able to handle it. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Well, the thing I always say Too is like with the women's march. 0.96

00:13:01.000 I'm best friends with the president.

00:13:03.000 He owes me three favors.

00:13:04.000 I've got a pen and paper here.

00:13:06.000 Write down, women's marchers, three things, three major changes you'd like me to institute, and I'll take it to the boss.

00:13:14.000 And no one can give a solution, they just want more equality for women. 1.00

00:13:18.000 No, no, I need a specific law.

00:13:21.000 What do you want me to make abortion perfectly legal in every state? 1.00

00:13:24.000 Well, it is pretty darn legal in America, unfortunately.

00:13:28.000 I don't understand what any of these people want. 0.99

00:13:31.000 No, and when I asked them, I went to their pussy marches after the inauguration of Trump. 0.98

00:13:37.000 And the majority of women that were there hadn't come actually to Washington for the marches. 0.98

00:13:42.000 They'd come because they were told Clinton was going to win.

00:13:45.000 And so they'd already booked their accommodation and train tickets and they didn't want to waste it.

00:13:50.000 So they knitted some pussy hats and went for a walk, which is a pretty funny story in itself.

00:13:54.000 And then when I stopped these women and went, okay, why are you marching? 0.59

00:13:58.000 You know, one would go, because the polar ice caps are melting.

00:14:02.000 Why are you marching?

00:14:04.000 For LGBT rights.

00:14:05.000 Why are you marching?

00:14:06.000 Because Trump's not my president.

00:14:08.000 Why are you marching? 1.00

00:14:09.000 Because I've got varicose veins and, you know, I've got a droofy vagina. 1.00

00:14:12.000 Like, they never had a unifying purpose at all. 0.99

00:14:16.000 And then one of them had a banner I remember saying, I, what's it, my vagina? 1.00

00:14:20.000 No, my pussy is made of steel. 1.00

00:14:23.000 I mean, really? 1.00

00:14:24.000 What's that?

00:14:25.000 Great. 1.00

00:14:25.000 Well, the subtext was, Donald Trump likes to grab women's pussies just at random on the street. 1.00

00:14:32.000 And now that he's president, everyone, every male from four years old to 80 can just grab a baby's vagina or an old lady's vagina, some with Down syndrome's vagina, just vagina, vagina, vagina. 1.00

00:14:43.000 And they're saying, we don't want that. 0.99

00:14:45.000 And you feel like going, okay, there.

00:14:47.000 It's not the law. 1.00

00:14:49.000 You can't grab vaginas. 1.00

00:14:51.000 It's called assault. 1.00

00:14:52.000 Agreed.

00:14:53.000 And I did get into trouble, actually, because I went back to the UK and I was having a little rant about it on my radio show. 1.00

00:14:59.000 And I was saying, well, you know, these women, they say, my pussy's made of steel. 1.00

00:15:04.000 And I was like, well, I can shove a 24-ounce can of cores in my vagina sideways. 1.00

00:15:10.000 And I said that, and I forgot that I'd kind of moved over to the UK at that point. 0.97

00:15:14.000 And that ended up with me having the government regulator sending a transcript because I'd broken radio rules.

00:15:20.000 And then I had my boss, like this small white, short man, reading out the transcript to me in a kind of, you know, human resources meeting.

00:15:31.000 Which you can imagine a little white man in Britain going, and I can shove a can of cords. 0.76

00:15:37.000 And then he asked me, was that a joke?

00:15:41.000 And I said, oh, well, I can do it.

00:15:43.000 You know, it's a skill I do have.

00:15:44.000 I gave birth to a 12-pound baby with no stitches.

00:15:47.000 But, you know, I won't show you here.

00:15:48.000 And yes, it was a joke.

00:15:50.000 It would take me about nine hours, and it'll be excruciating.

00:15:54.000 But yes, technically, it is.

00:15:56.000 But when you keep getting robbed of great jokes, I wanted to bring this up. 0.99

00:15:59.000 You're on Irish television, and they're not known for their pussy power, their ability to get pussy jokes. 1.00

00:16:05.000 Look at this joke here. 0.99

00:16:06.000 So let's look at the setup.

00:16:07.000 I was kind of thinking just for a moment about this.

00:16:09.000 Just for a moment. 1.00

00:16:10.000 This is the man who talked about grabbing women by the pussy. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Is there any point, a part of you, that feels this is not my now? 1.00

00:16:17.000 I hate to dissect jokes, but I can see in your face you've thought of your brilliant comeback, and you have to wait for him to finish, which that hurts the delivery right there.

00:16:27.000 I don't want this guy to be talking like this about any woman at all.

00:16:31.000 Do you need to despair for the future?

00:16:33.000 And then he ruins your delivery by interrupting you.

00:16:36.000 That's infuriating as a fan of jokes. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Anyways, sweetie, I would rather be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy for president. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Woo! 1.00

00:16:46.000 Go here, go here, go here.

00:16:47.000 Ah, so frustrating.

00:16:49.000 It was such a great joke.

00:16:51.000 It was a good line.

00:16:52.000 And the thing was, that audience, you know, so I'm looking up at like 200 Irish people.

00:16:56.000 And the way they've got that stage set, the audience are above you.

00:17:00.000 So what you're actually looking up at, because their audience doesn't sit politely, they all sit with their legs apart.

00:17:06.000 So you're actually looking up into about 200 Irish women's growlers when I was delivering that line. 0.99

00:17:13.000 So for me, it was kind of funnier than it was for the audience.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, well, it was funny for us too here on Twitter.

00:17:19.000 I've noticed too that, so we focus on all this trivia, like Lauren Southern might be a Nazi, or you made a Coors joke that was too rude. 0.99

00:17:29.000 Meanwhile, we're at a time where there's this tsunami of incredibly important issues, like the grooming gangs, like the Islamicization of Britain and all of Europe, but also like South Africa. 0.88

00:17:43.000 I didn't enjoy seeing you down there in South Africa because I was so worried about you.

00:17:48.000 But I think one of the reasons they're not reporting on it is because they cannot stomach the disgusting carnage that is going on there.

00:17:58.000 I think it's partly that, you know, I think there's a lot of, they don't, even to try and tell the story, it's too unbelievable.

00:18:05.000 You know, it sounds incredulous to me.

00:18:07.000 It sounds like a bit like a right-winger, you know, banging on.

00:18:11.000 I totally get that.

00:18:12.000 So you say, well, yeah, they broke in to this man and woman's farm, the white farm they wanted back, and they took the 82-year-old and they strung her up. 0.60

00:18:20.000 Then they went and plugged in her iron that she used for her ironing. 1.00

00:18:24.000 And then they proceeded to burn her all over her body for two hours.

00:18:29.000 And then they got a blowtorch and took it to the inside of the thighs of the 86-year-old gentleman.

00:18:34.000 That sounds like me just coming up with some horribly crude thing that I've imagined.

00:18:39.000 This is, you know, the reality of it.

00:18:40.000 And when I spoke to the editors of the newspapers, because I specifically went to see them to see why they're not covering the story, they said, well, white death just doesn't do that well for us in South Africa.

00:18:51.000 People don't click on it.

00:18:52.000 It doesn't get much traction.

00:18:54.000 Unbelievable.

00:18:56.000 Well, it doesn't get traction here in the West either.

00:18:58.000 And I almost always regret Googling it because you learn about a three-year-old who was gang raped, a three-year-old, then she lives, so they wrap the body in newspaper and burn it.

00:19:12.000 Or a four-year-old who is crucified on the kitchen table and then raped in front of her parents.

00:19:20.000 And you go, I don't know, like I have a limit to what my brain can handle and my brain can't handle this.

00:19:25.000 So then we have politicians in Australia who go, okay, the government is sanctifying this. 0.82

00:19:31.000 The government is almost making it law to torture these white farmers. 0.98

00:19:35.000 Let's bring them in here. 0.99

00:19:36.000 And then the priority becomes: he's a racist for suggesting such a thing.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:42.000 And in a way, I think, you know, I'm pulling together the documentary now.

00:19:45.000 I just spent the week before in Canada pulling the documentary together.

00:19:49.000 It's not too, you know, I don't think we have to go into the gruesome details too much, actually.

00:19:54.000 I think it plays to the very worst of us and the worst of mankind in some ways.

00:19:58.000 There's much more power, I think, in, you know, for example, Mariandra.

00:20:03.000 Her husband was shot in front of her and her little six-year-old daughter offered the black gangs her piggy bank if they would let her mummy live. 0.95

00:20:11.000 You know, I think we have ways of capturing this and capturing people's thoughts without having to take them down the gratuitous violence, which is also reality.

00:20:21.000 And I also have footage there on my documentary from a policeman who confirms that the police are in on this.

00:20:27.000 They provide the weapons very often for these farm attacks because they get a cash payback.

00:20:32.000 And also we have footage from a farm attacker himself who works with the gangs, providing them with information.

00:20:38.000 He gets onto the farms to find out where the safe is, how many daughters there are, where the children sleep.

00:20:45.000 And he says himself, he gives a very detailed account about why they choose to rape children or whatever.

00:20:51.000 So I think the documentary is going to be able to pull punches without having to fill people up with the stuff that none of us almost don't want to hear.

00:20:59.000 And my intention is to shove that documentary in as many people's faces as I can just to help these stories be told.

00:21:07.000 I don't know if I agree with you, Katie.

00:21:09.000 Finally, I find something I disagree with you.

00:21:11.000 I want the gratuitous violence.

00:21:12.000 I want people to see the four-year-old with her cheeks cut open because if the races were reversed, we wouldn't hear the end of it for decades. 1.00

00:21:21.000 It would be repeated and shown and taught in schools, but we're not allowed to talk about it when it happens to us. 0.93

00:21:27.000 And they come with these excuses, like they say, oh, black and black violence is worse.

00:21:31.000 Well, yes, black and black violence is more common because there's more blacks, but as far as the level of violence goes, the sadism, the farms are totally unique. 1.00

00:21:40.000 You do not see that in downtown Soweto. 0.84

00:21:43.000 No, and statistically, you know, they try and bury this stuff in statistics.

00:21:46.000 So they try and say, well, South Africa is a very violent country and against this violent backdrop, there isn't really a problem.

00:21:51.000 But if you call out the statistics more truthfully, which is, you know, the number of murders of white farmers over the total population of white farmers, you end up with 59 deaths per 100,000.

00:22:03.000 If you work as a police officer in South Africa, there's 55 deaths per 100,000.

00:22:09.000 And I went to the Institutes of Security Studies and they confirmed that it is much more dangerous to be a white farmer in South Africa than to be a policeman.

00:22:17.000 And the policeman himself confirmed that within three years, there will be no more white farmers in South Africa.

00:22:24.000 And very much back to our story, our joke earlier about the white rhino, you know, people care, the white farmer is up there with the white rhino on the extinction list. 0.74

00:22:34.000 But because he's not a white rhino, no one cares.

00:22:37.000 Well, it's also not like these people take over the farm and then it's a thriving tobacco farm that just happens to be owned by blacks.

00:22:44.000 Something like 90% of these farms become defunct and just become self-subsistence.

00:22:52.000 What's the word I'm looking for?

00:22:54.000 For the local families.

00:22:55.000 So self-subsistence, the five people who live there can grow enough food for them.

00:23:02.000 Meanwhile, that farm was helping to feed South Africa.

00:23:04.000 These people are going to go hungry soon because they won't have any food.

00:23:08.000 And I'm talking about the country.

00:23:10.000 It's food security, you know, water security, food security.

00:23:13.000 So on those two fronts, water security, currently Cape Town has only got, I think it's 34 days of water left.

00:23:21.000 It will be the first international city to run out of water due to mismanagement by the government.

00:23:28.000 Then, of course, you've got the example of Zimbabwe, where they chased all the whites off the land, gave the land back to the blacks, and the blacks turned up, wrecked the farmstead, took the tyres, the wheels, anything they could sell, didn't farm the land. 0.99

00:23:39.000 And of course, now Zimbabwe requires food aid.

00:23:42.000 It used to be known as the breadbasket of South Africa, you know.

00:23:46.000 And the same is going to happen in South Africa itself.

00:23:49.000 For the first time now, it's a net importer of food.

00:23:53.000 And very soon, it's going to be asking the West for food aid.

00:23:56.000 And that's really the point where I see myself with my documentary saying, we called this out five years ago.

00:24:02.000 We told you this was happening.

00:24:04.000 And now you want to spend multi-million pounds sending food aid to the place where you oversaw the slaughter of the farmers.

00:24:12.000 And you know, and I know that's going to happen.

00:24:14.000 Well, we already are seeing the denial too.

00:24:16.000 It's so strong.

00:24:17.000 You're right that it's inevitably going to go food and water bankrupt.

00:24:21.000 But we're seeing AJ Plus say Australia is racist and there is no massacres going on.

00:24:28.000 It's all a lie.

00:24:29.000 In fact, the government says that the farmland violence isn't an issue. 1.00

00:24:33.000 This is the same government singing, kill the boar, kill the farmer. 1.00

00:24:37.000 It's shocking how willing these useful idiots are to toe the line. 1.00

00:24:42.000 Even AJ Plus itself is owned by some Saudi Arabian sheiks who love torturing people. 1.00

00:24:49.000 Of course, and you know what?

00:24:50.000 If there's someone, so Cyril Ramaposa stands up at the State of the Union address, you know, and he says, we will have land expropriation without compensation.

00:25:00.000 Okay, Cyril, fine.

00:25:02.000 Then you translate that to the EFF, the economic freedom fighters, the kind of IRA arm, the terrorist arm, the Hamas arm of the ANC, and it starts to become kill the boar. 0.96

00:25:13.000 You translate that to a poor guy on the ground with a machete, and that's right, I'm going to gouge the eyes out of this guy and chop his tongue off and then string up his wife. 1.00

00:25:22.000 And that's precisely what's happening.

00:25:24.000 So the government language really matters because on the ground it translates to a guy having his arms chopped off at the elbow and his wife being suffocated with a plastic bag.

00:25:36.000 And that's definitely what's going on.

00:25:38.000 And the police also confirm that if someone's arrested and they're a brother, meaning they're a member of the ANC or EFF, just like a card-carrying member, like anyone can be, then they get let go. 0.93

00:25:51.000 And even in the hospitals, the state hospitals now, because of the language of the ANC, doctors and nurses are turning away white people if they turn up at state hospitals because they feel they have a mandate to kill white people.

00:26:04.000 Were you scared when you were there? 0.90

00:26:07.000 I want to say no, right?

00:26:09.000 so the Katie Hopkins in me goes, No, no, it was no.

00:26:13.000 But I was.

00:26:15.000 You know, I was.

00:26:16.000 I didn't tell anyone I was scared because that's never a good idea.

00:26:20.000 But I slept on farms.

00:26:23.000 You know, one of the things I said when I left home, look, I'm a mum of three kids.

00:26:27.000 And sometimes my son, he's nine, sometimes he thinks there's monsters in the night, like behind the wardrobe or whatever.

00:26:34.000 And we go in his room and show him there's no monsters and it's all fine.

00:26:38.000 And I always said, like, as a mum, I wanted to go on these farms and sleep there.

00:26:42.000 And I wanted to be like these other mums who put their children to bed on farms.

00:26:46.000 But actually, the night time is when the monsters come.

00:26:50.000 And there are monsters, and the monsters are real.

00:26:52.000 And so I went and slept on these farms.

00:26:55.000 And I can tell you, in the night, there is something, as soon as you hear a noise, you think that's it.

00:27:00.000 You think they're in.

00:27:01.000 And then it's very, you know, they're behind gates, behind bars, there's security cameras.

00:27:06.000 But the noises in the night, it's so, how they live with that all the time, I don't know.

00:27:11.000 And there was also a time when I was detained at the airport and they took my passport away.

00:27:17.000 And there was a time then when I was scared, not because of not being able to leave, but because I was scared that if I ended up, you know, if you end up being detained, it doesn't work well for you, you'll be raped or attacked or whatever.

00:27:29.000 So I was scared then. 0.65

00:27:31.000 And I was thinking, I met a lady who was raped by a gang of five men. 0.97

00:27:35.000 And she said that her girlfriend, the advice with white women in South Africa is if you're going to be raped by a gang, you try and, I don't want to go into too much detail, but you try and defecate because that turns them off. 0.71

00:27:47.000 And I honestly was stood at, when they had my passport thinking, could I do that? 0.63

00:27:52.000 So that's a strange thing to think when all you've done is gone and chatted to people and try and tell a story.

00:27:57.000 I mean, they were actually trying to stop me going into the country, but luckily I'd got in and got my footage and got the truths out of there before they managed to stop me going in.

00:28:06.000 So I feel grateful for that.

00:28:08.000 Well, you know what's strange too?

00:28:09.000 When I talk to South Africans about this who are in the heat of the moment, who are in the lambs being led to slaughter, and one of their primary concerns is not coming across as racist.

00:28:22.000 I spoke to a lot of South Africans, people who are down there.

00:28:25.000 I never heard one racial epithet.

00:28:28.000 I never heard any kind of offensive language.

00:28:31.000 And I thought, there's something about us, Westerners and whites in particular, where we will die before we're seen as racist.

00:28:40.000 It's a bizarre trait that you don't see in any other group.

00:28:44.000 And for me personally, it's not something I recommend for others necessarily, but I say, okay, sure, I'm a racist.

00:28:44.000 It is.

00:28:52.000 You know, you call me racist.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, sure, I'll take that label.

00:28:54.000 Oh, I'm misogynist.

00:28:55.000 Okay, fine. 1.00

00:28:57.000 And fattest and Islamophobic. 0.99

00:28:59.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:28:59.000 I'm a bigot as well. 1.00

00:29:01.000 So I say yes.

00:29:02.000 And then when people throw these labels, I like to point out the one they missed.

00:29:05.000 You know, maybe, oh, you missed sexist.

00:29:07.000 You didn't get that.

00:29:08.000 And so I, because there's so many labels that they lose all meaning.

00:29:12.000 And I truly believe the word racist has lost all meaning.

00:29:15.000 Like, if you repeat it too many times, it becomes so meaningless.

00:29:18.000 So if people want to believe I'm a racist, you know, Media Matters used a phrase yesterday, racist commentator Katie Hopkins.

00:29:26.000 Like, like that was my new name.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, it's part of your job.

00:29:29.000 It's on your business card.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.94

00:29:31.000 My job is to be a racist commentator.

00:29:33.000 Well, I've been regularly just suing these people, not suing them in court, but sending a lawyer letter every time I get the Nazi thing.

00:29:39.000 And my lawyer recently said, we're losing our angle. 0.96

00:29:43.000 We're losing our footing because that word has been diluted down to jerk. 0.99

00:29:48.000 And I can't legally threaten people for calling you a jerk. 0.99

00:29:51.000 It's a matter of opinion. 0.99

00:29:53.000 So Nazis lost its meaning.

00:29:55.000 And that's good and bad, I guess.

00:29:57.000 It's good in a way because it means, you know, were you to try to be prosecuted or someone to try to remove you for being a racist, then clearly that bar is going to be quite high of what they have to set.

00:30:10.000 But it is frustrating for us that they are so able to just say, racist columnist, you know, as if that's your preface.

00:30:16.000 And we have nothing to say about it. 0.93

00:30:18.000 And it's like, say they called you gay.

00:30:21.000 I mean, it's not true.

00:30:22.000 It's not like I'm tossing and turning all night.

00:30:24.000 Oh no, you called me racist.

00:30:26.000 It's just not factually correct.

00:30:28.000 So that's annoying that you're a reporter saying that.

00:30:32.000 It is.

00:30:32.000 And, you know, what they're trying to do, obviously, is before you even look, before you even have a chance to process the content, is to label you so that it's a signpost in many ways, just as if you were driving down the freeway to signpost you so that people can think, oh, I don't need to take this seriously.

00:30:49.000 I can dismiss this person.

00:30:51.000 I don't need to listen to what they're saying.

00:30:53.000 And I think in many ways, my way of countering that is to go back to try and do journalism in the way that we, you know, old school.

00:31:00.000 Like, so going on Skid Row, just walk Skid Row, look at Skid Row, tell my truths of Skid Row.

00:31:06.000 And in many ways, by doing that, by getting out to the stories, as you know, you counter a lot of that because you're just presenting what you saw.

00:31:14.000 Yes.

00:31:14.000 And you're not labeling it.

00:31:15.000 You're not adding your own commentary to it very much.

00:31:18.000 You're just directing people's attention.

00:31:20.000 And that's what I'm trying to do with my audiences now is help direct their attention to things and removing my own commentary from it slightly.

00:31:28.000 Yeah, the gonzo journalism, the immersionism, I've always called it.

00:31:31.000 Barbara Ehrenreich did that at Nickel and Dime.

00:31:33.000 George Orwell did that in Down and Out in Paris and London.

00:31:37.000 It's how you get the real story.

00:31:38.000 I'm really glad you brought this up.

00:31:40.000 And I'm sorry to drag on this interview for so long.

00:31:42.000 I'm so happy to get you.

00:31:44.000 No, it's totally fine.

00:31:45.000 I can't shut up.

00:31:47.000 I was worried about you too with the homeless people.

00:31:50.000 So you spent a weekend with the homeless in LA.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, so I decided, you know, every time I'm in LA, someone drives by or I'm in a car or whatever and they point out, oh, that's Skid Row.

00:32:01.000 And, you know, drive by, you don't want to go there.

00:32:03.000 And all the people, oh, it's terrible there.

00:32:05.000 And, you know, even in a hotel two blocks away from Skid Row, I asked for a map just of the area, like a tourist, and they gave me a map and it had a sticker on it.

00:32:15.000 And I looked and that sticker was stuck over Skid Row, over the five or six blocks of Skid Row.

00:32:22.000 And it was a really bizarre moment for me, like kind of linguistically or, you know, if you think about it in terms of images, the idea that you can stick a sticker on something and that makes it go away, even if you only live two blocks from it and you're in a major hotel where you probably should be informing your guests.

00:32:39.000 So I decided, right, I will spend two days, two nights on Skid Row and see for myself and tell my truth, whatever those are.

00:32:47.000 And actually, it was, you know, I've spent nights in migrant camps, I've spent nights at Calais, I've crossed the Med with the migrants into Sicily.

00:32:55.000 I've seen my fair share of disgusting, but Skid Row is something else.

00:33:00.000 So it is, it is, it's, it's, like I think about the way I walked.

00:33:04.000 It's, so your feet, I don't know if you've ever been skiing or you've walked in mud, but it's slippy underfoot.

00:33:10.000 The pavements, the sidewalks, the roads, they're slippy because there's so much human waste.

00:33:15.000 The rats are everywhere.

00:33:17.000 So the rats, literally, I saw rats, rats, rats, rats, rats.

00:33:20.000 They're on your ankles, they're over your shoes, they're everywhere.

00:33:23.000 I walked part, the clip Tucker wouldn't show, because Tucker hosted the report as well.

00:33:28.000 He wouldn't show the clips where we walked past the sidewalks that are used as the toilets, so where people just go to the bathroom on the sidewalk.

00:33:38.000 But even if you're camping, you have a designated area for that.

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 No, there is human waste everywhere.

00:33:45.000 And it's not just the overwhelming stench of urine.

00:33:49.000 It's everywhere you look, there's a rat eating on that stuff and a rat around it.

00:33:54.000 It reminded me perfectly of a historian's kind of example of London in the 1600s, you know, when there were slops thrown and there was the human waste and then there were the rats.

00:34:05.000 And just before the outbreak of the bubonic plague, when you'll remember, it was the fleas on the rats that gave everybody the plague.

00:34:12.000 And I honestly can see sometime quite soon there being a major human, you know, there's a human health hazard there that's beyond just about caring for people with mental problems and the homeless.

00:34:26.000 There is a human health time bomb about to go off this summer, I'd suggest, in the center of downtown LA.

00:34:34.000 That's shocking.

00:34:35.000 And, you know, the amazing thing about it, you going to South Africa and going there, is you have people at home on their couch in their socks typing out, no, she's wrong about this and that's racist.

00:34:45.000 And you think, you're not there.

00:34:47.000 You're sitting telling those of us who go to Israel, who go to Texas during the flood and hand out water, you're sitting there with this old Nazi trope trying to trivialize everyone else's accomplishments because you haven't accomplished anything.

00:35:00.000 It's particularly frustrating.

00:35:01.000 That's so true, Gavin.

00:35:03.000 And you know, there is a frustration I have as well with people on our team.

00:35:06.000 And when I say our team, I don't mean a political side or I don't mean anyone who agrees with us or disagrees with us.

00:35:12.000 It's not albeit or liked.

00:35:13.000 I don't care if someone likes me or hates me.

00:35:16.000 It doesn't matter.

00:35:16.000 But on our team, even if you hate me, where we believe that you should be able to say what you think and say how you feel and not receive punishment for it, you know, where we need to break through is spend less time opinionating on social media and more time going out, finding our truths, sharing them and offering them up to other people for them to make their own decisions on.

00:35:38.000 And I think the more we get out there, the more we get off Twitter and just use Twitter as a platform to show our truths, the better we do.

00:35:46.000 And I would so encourage any of your supporters to go out and find your truths.

00:35:50.000 Tell your little stories.

00:35:51.000 Go to the council meeting.

00:35:52.000 Report back on that on Twitter.

00:35:54.000 You know, I think that's how we can really move the needle on this thing.

00:35:58.000 Yeah, great point.

00:35:59.000 Don't knock it till you try it.

00:36:00.000 That's really inspiring.

00:36:02.000 I mean, that's what journalism was.

00:36:04.000 That's how we got so smart because we would say to the other caveman, stay away from saber-toothed tigers.

00:36:10.000 I went there.

00:36:10.000 They've got huge teeth as opposed to monkeys that just go, we, we, that doesn't help.

00:36:15.000 Right, right, exactly.

00:36:17.000 And what I say, you know, would say, if I may, to people, and I'm not trying to teach you what to do, but you've all got an iPhone or you've all got some kind of tablet or something.

00:36:26.000 So instead of following, if you see everyone else diving into a crowd because there's been a bit of an RGB argy or someone set a flag on a light, don't stand next to someone else and take the same picture they're taking of that flag burning.

00:36:38.000 Go find the other story.

00:36:40.000 Go tell the quiet truth.

00:36:42.000 Don't take the same pictures as everyone else is taking.

00:36:44.000 Find the new story no one's telling in the quiet sidelines of the thing and share that on Twitter.

00:36:50.000 You know, look to tell the truths that we know are out there.

00:36:54.000 Even if it's in your own home and it's about the way you feel, talk about how you feel and your truths and find the stories that matter and help share those.

00:37:02.000 Because I think as conservatives, we can help the cause by doing exactly that. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Yes, the cause that you can fit in your vagina sideways. 1.00

00:37:12.000 Yes, the 24 ounce. 0.99

00:37:14.000 I would like to make that very clear.

00:37:15.000 It's a 24 ounce, not a regular small can.

00:37:18.000 King can, I believe it's called.

00:37:21.000 But Katie, this is all very inspiring.

00:37:22.000 The one sort of flaw is we are petrified about your safety. 0.99

00:37:27.000 Please tell us that when you're sleeping with these homeless people in their feces and you're going to these hell holes, these shit holes like South Africa, that you're with a giant bodyguard who's heavily armed. 0.95

00:37:38.000 So no, I didn't have, I mean, well, no one, yes, but I didn't have security on Skid Row. 0.98

00:37:45.000 And I do, I, you know, I feel like I know how to handle myself.

00:37:48.000 Like at Speaker's Corner, I was there.

00:37:51.000 I wasn't even showing my face.

00:37:52.000 I was showing support.

00:37:53.000 I was just another body on the ground because of Lauren, because of Brittany.

00:37:58.000 But you were getting tossed around.

00:37:59.000 I saw that footage.

00:38:00.000 I wasn't happy about that.

00:38:02.000 Well, what happened, I was, so I had my huge hood.

00:38:04.000 No one knew I was even there.

00:38:06.000 It was all perfect.

00:38:06.000 And then I saw a guy getting surrounded.

00:38:09.000 I saw that he was getting into trouble.

00:38:10.000 And so I went to stand in front of the crowd so they could, to give him some space.

00:38:15.000 And then I felt like I should show my face because otherwise I was being duplicitous.

00:38:19.000 So, but it was good.

00:38:20.000 They, you know, I was able to stand my ground and that's important.

00:38:23.000 But when I was in South Africa, I did have security, fabulous armed security.

00:38:29.000 Five guys, well armed, able to defend me.

00:38:32.000 And at no point did I ever worry for my safety other than when I thought I was going to be detained and be taken from my security.

00:38:39.000 But yeah, I had a security team and I'm very grateful for that.

00:38:42.000 But usually I'm out and about on my own and I just scurry about looking like this, like this little kind of, you know, cruise director.

00:38:49.000 And no one pays me much attention.

00:38:52.000 Well, you're an inspiration.

00:38:54.000 You're living the life of a 20-year-old.

00:38:58.000 And I think most 20-year-olds should be ashamed of themselves that they're wasting their youth.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, we all want to, you know, I'm lucky in many ways.

00:39:06.000 So people know or don't know.

00:39:08.000 It's not a story I share often, but I feel like you and I just chatting in my hotel room.

00:39:12.000 So I'll probably overshare as normal.

00:39:15.000 But, you know, I was epileptic for so many years, like from 19 till 41.

00:39:20.000 And then earlier this year, no, last year, 2017, I got my epilepsy surgery and my fits have been stopped.

00:39:28.000 So I've been cured.

00:39:29.000 And in some ways, you know, with my epilepsy, where I was at, I only had really, they said two years probably before a fit got me, you know, because my fits were extreme.

00:39:38.000 So I had this kind of two-year lifespan at 39.

00:39:42.000 And then it turns out I've got a new life now.

00:39:44.000 So I'm so grateful for it and so grateful to the surgeons and so grateful to still be alive that I may as well live it big.

00:39:51.000 Yes, but you were still a maniac back when you had epilepsy or gaining weight to show how easy it was to lose weight. 0.98

00:39:57.000 You've always been a mad woman. 0.99

00:39:59.000 Yeah, well, no, I'm just not a big fan of fat people. 0.99

00:40:02.000 And I got really fed up with fat people telling me I was lucky to be thin. 0.99

00:40:05.000 So I put on half my body weight, 52 pounds in three months to prove that actually if you sit on your ass and you eat too much, you get fat. 0.99

00:40:13.000 And that really pissed them off. 0.99

00:40:16.000 Beautiful.

00:40:17.000 Well, Katie, thanks for coming on the show.

00:40:18.000 We'd love to have you back.

00:40:19.000 Constant inspiration, not just to me, but to young people like you everywhere.

00:40:24.000 You're 27 in my eyes.

00:40:27.000 That's absolutely.

00:40:28.000 I think you're 26, I think.

00:40:30.000 But yeah, 27.

00:40:31.000 Yeah, that's pretty much where I register.

00:40:33.000 But I say to young people, go out there, take your phones, find your quiet truths and share those.

00:40:39.000 Don't follow the mob.

00:40:40.000 Don't follow the crying kids from the, you know, blooming Florida lot with their marches.

00:40:46.000 Go find your truth and tell your story and make it matter.

00:40:49.000 And that way we join together and we get our voices heard.

00:40:53.000 Great advice.

00:40:53.000 Brilliant advice, actually.

00:40:55.000 Thanks for coming on the show.

00:40:56.000 Thank you for having me. 0.99

00:41:01.000 Do you ever become so gay your eyes fall out? 0.99

00:41:05.000 That's what appears to be happening here. 0.98

00:41:08.000 We're looking at the new NFL cheerleaders breaking barriers, and they appear to be taking in African-American homosexuals of color.

00:41:17.000 And I don't know. 0.98

00:41:19.000 You ever heard of having your brains f ⁇ ed out?

00:41:22.000 Something is not right about this guy in the middle here. 0.99

00:41:25.000 This guy on the left seems to be doing okay with the gay lifestyle and its libidinous pastimes. 1.00

00:41:31.000 But the guy in the middle here, I don't know.

00:41:35.000 What happened to him?

00:41:37.000 Dude, are you okay?

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - April 02, 2018

Get Off My Lawn #108 | I.C.E. Knowin' Ya

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