Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - October 24, 2017


Get Off My Lawn #17 | Give Pizza Chance


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On this week's episode of the podcast, we remember the life and death of Corporal Nathan Cirrillo, who was shot and killed by a terrorist on the third anniversary of his death. We also remember the death of a Canadian soldier who was killed in the line of duty in front of a war memorial wearing a kilt.

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00:00:33.000 Take another pill from your purse.
00:00:35.000 Take another ride in a hearse.
00:00:38.000 Sing from the diaphragm in a hearse.
00:00:41.000 It's Paul Westerberg screaming there.
00:00:43.000 The replacements, I think that album, that song is from Let It Be, maybe.
00:00:47.000 Sorry, Ma.
00:00:48.000 Forgot to take out the trash.
00:00:49.000 They're a band like Hoosker Doo that started out hardcore and then became very talented pop musicians.
00:00:58.000 So if that was a little too intense for you, please check out Please to Meet Me or one of their later albums.
00:01:04.000 I was in a band that opened for their bassist Bob Stinson.
00:01:07.000 He was in a punk supergroup called Cheetah Chrome and the Mother Effers.
00:01:11.000 And he was not allowed into Canada because he peed on the Border Guard on the way up to our show.
00:01:16.000 Whoops.
00:01:17.000 The rest of the band showed.
00:01:19.000 And Bob Stinson later died of booze, died of partying.
00:01:22.000 That's the life of a rock star.
00:01:24.000 So ladies, if you are over 25, stop dating musicians and stop dating comedians.
00:01:30.000 They are not in for the long haul.
00:01:32.000 Sorry to use Bob Stinson as an example, but they're on the road too much.
00:01:37.000 Some of them end up being producers and sound engineers.
00:01:40.000 Okay.
00:01:40.000 Owning a label?
00:01:41.000 Sure.
00:01:42.000 But most of them, no, don't do it.
00:01:44.000 Give Pizza Chance is on the cover of the New York Post.
00:01:48.000 Rikers, our local jail, which sucks, is giving out pizza when inmates are good.
00:01:55.000 The union said, I'm not a fan of rewarding inmates when they don't beat the crap out of one another.
00:02:00.000 Screw you, chief.
00:02:01.000 Food sucks in jail.
00:02:03.000 Give these guys some pizza once in a while.
00:02:04.000 Stop putting men in cages all the time.
00:02:06.000 I think most of the people at Rikers are just waiting for their trial.
00:02:09.000 Sometimes they're there for years.
00:02:10.000 They're allowed to have pizza.
00:02:12.000 Jesus.
00:02:13.000 I love cops, but sometimes their boss really pees me oh.
00:02:18.000 Isn't it fun not swearing?
00:02:20.000 Today, Corporal Nathan Cirrillo, actually, I think it was yesterday, we're commemorating the third year anniversary of his death.
00:02:26.000 Now, this was a guy, don't play the volume, we'll just have this play in the background.
00:02:29.000 This was a guy who was guarding the war memorial in Canada three years ago.
00:02:34.000 And he was dressed in the Rangers uniform.
00:02:38.000 Lots of different divisions in the Canadian military wear kilts because Scotland is a very integral part of Canada's history.
00:02:46.000 Way even with the early British, 200 years ago, you had the Scots settling Canada and the Highlanders were great warriors.
00:02:55.000 The Brits forgave themselves for working with the Scots by saying it takes a thief to fight a thief. 0.84
00:03:00.000 And Nathan Cirrillo is double commemorating that.
00:03:03.000 One in his uniform by wearing a kilt and commemorating a contribution that's hundreds of years old.
00:03:10.000 And then also in front of the war memorial, he's guarding that.
00:03:13.000 So that already says tomes about the proper way to acknowledge past contributions, something we seem to be forgetting more and more every day with all this statue talk.
00:03:24.000 But here's something even more analogous, even more shocking, even more prophetic.
00:03:28.000 The gun he's holding right now, the gun he's holding, had no bullets in it because the government thought that would be too dangerous.
00:03:37.000 So, three years ago, yesterday, he was shot by a terrorist, Michel Zibot, I believe his name was.
00:03:43.000 And he couldn't fight back because he was not armed, even though he's carrying a machine gun.
00:03:49.000 Mikel Zief Bibot, here's something.
00:03:53.000 This one story, maybe it's because I know it so well, because I was in Canada working at Sun News with Ezra Levant when all this happened.
00:03:59.000 There was another killing that week.
00:04:00.000 Patrice Vincent, Warren Officer Patrice Vincent, was run down by another white Muslim who had been radicalized in Canada with anti-Canadian rhetoric that the Halifax Five were pilloried for daring to question.
00:04:17.000 Canada hates Canada.
00:04:18.000 America hates America, at least when you're looking at liberals.
00:04:21.000 And what they don't realize is that ends up radicalizing potential jihadists.
00:04:25.000 The guy who ran down Patrice Vincent was just a jock, a random dude.
00:04:29.000 But he kept getting told his culture sucks so much, he went, all right, well, I'm going to burn it down.
00:04:33.000 Isn't that what you want, Islam? 1.00
00:04:37.000 So yeah, two deaths that week.
00:04:39.000 And neither of them will be talked about.
00:04:43.000 I don't think you're going to see much about these cases.
00:04:46.000 Unbelievable.
00:04:49.000 Unbelievable.
00:04:50.000 And by the way, the one who killed Nathan Cirrillo, that Zeebo guy I just showed you, his mother, I believe her name is Sarah Zeebo, you know what her job is? 0.99
00:05:00.000 She works at the government, and her job is to assimilate immigrants and make sure that they are Canadian and they enjoy being in Canada.
00:05:08.000 She couldn't even assimilate her own son.
00:05:11.000 What a mess.
00:05:12.000 And this, by the way, I know Americans don't care about Canada, but you should because this is the canary in the coal mine.
00:05:19.000 He was really into his dog.
00:05:20.000 I think that's why there's so many dogs at this funeral.
00:05:24.000 Anyway, what else is going on?
00:05:25.000 I got Milo on today's show.
00:05:27.000 Pre-recorded interview I did last week.
00:05:30.000 Milo and I will be talking about DePaul, the largest Catholic school in the country where neither of us can speak, but terrorists can have fundraisers there.
00:05:39.000 If you're pro-life, nah, you're not really welcome.
00:05:42.000 I talked to a college Republican there who was prevented from having a pro-life rally because they thought that would offend people at a Catholic college.
00:05:53.000 It seems to be one of the most un-Catholic, Catholic institutions there is. 0.60
00:05:58.000 Although the Pope's talking about having Muslims play in the Vatican.
00:06:01.000 I don't know if Catholicism...
00:06:07.000 We'll be talking to a Catholic actually after Milo, Matt Frad.
00:06:11.000 Matt Frad wrote a great book called The Porn Myth, and he's going to talk to us about how evil porn is, which we agree with, which we discovered accidentally on a dare.
00:06:22.000 Dante Nero and I dared each other to quit masturbating and noticed our lives just improved.
00:06:28.000 My marriage got better.
00:06:29.000 Everything Just seemed better.
00:06:31.000 That's why wanker is an insult.
00:06:34.000 Stop jerking it.
00:06:37.000 I have a men's club called The Proud Boys, and I saw some woman the other day.
00:06:41.000 She had a shirt.
00:06:42.000 She had a shirt that said, kill rapists. 1.00
00:06:44.000 All right.
00:06:45.000 And she was carrying a sign that said, hey, Proud Boys, jerk off more. 0.75
00:06:49.000 Because now we're rapists to these people, this men's club. 0.61
00:06:53.000 And there she is.
00:06:55.000 She's got a weird face. 0.72
00:06:56.000 You know what's fascinating about this kind of face?
00:06:59.000 Depending on how much weight she loses and how much makeup, she could vacillate from a five to an eight. 1.00
00:07:06.000 There's something about chubby white girls with big lips where they have an incredible range of beauty that they can play with. 1.00
00:07:12.000 It's up to them.
00:07:14.000 But this weekend was fun.
00:07:16.000 So I went to a drag show.
00:07:18.000 It's a restaurant called Lips that's really just chubby girls screaming at the top of their lungs and doing shots while drag queens flounce around. 1.00
00:07:26.000 And Milo made me go there because he thought it would be weird, and it was very weird.
00:07:32.000 It was also unbelievably loud.
00:07:34.000 I'm talking to Pam, someone I could talk to for 100 years.
00:07:37.000 I'd like to be locked in a room with her with just a laser pointer and a, you know, actually nothing, just two chairs.
00:07:42.000 I'd love to talk to her.
00:07:43.000 But she's screaming across the table because she has to. 0.99
00:07:45.000 I'm like this, trying to hear her because the music is blaring.
00:07:48.000 I almost sort of, it was like an out-of-body experience at one point because I just hear, and I think I'm kind of, I feel like I'm on acid right now.
00:07:58.000 All I could do is scream back, I can't hear you.
00:08:02.000 But what I found most fascinating about this time at Lips, and it got publicity, there was some article about how we went there to cause a scene.
00:08:10.000 And when a scene wasn't caused and the staff was professional, there was no, there was, we had to make a scene.
00:08:17.000 I took that picture.
00:08:18.000 But no, there was, the staff had no idea who we were.
00:08:22.000 They're not involved.
00:08:23.000 Not everyone follows your blog, liberal media.
00:08:26.000 Not everyone cares who I am and who Milo is and who Pamela Geller is.
00:08:31.000 But I was stunned by the lack of talent.
00:08:34.000 I mean, I'm familiar with drag queens. 1.00
00:08:36.000 My wife's what they call a fag hag. 1.00
00:08:39.000 I've been around drag queens quite a bit, but I hadn't really sort of like paid attention as a sober person.
00:08:44.000 And I just thought, all you do is memorize songs and mouth them.
00:08:50.000 And the songs you're mouthing, by the way, involve incredible work and talent, like ABBA and stuff, you know, orchestras.
00:08:58.000 And all you're just doing is going with tons of makeup on.
00:09:01.000 And here's what drove me nuts about this experience.
00:09:04.000 None of them were wearing high-heel shoes.
00:09:06.000 They all had flats on because they're big burly men.
00:09:10.000 And I think, and high-heel shoes were a major icon in the place.
00:09:14.000 They had, you know, high-heel shoes above the bar and the menus have high-heeled shoes on them and high-heel shoes, high-heel shoes.
00:09:20.000 And they can't even do that little piece of hard work.
00:09:23.000 They can't even be in that amount of discomfort.
00:09:25.000 And I just thought, you guys are some of the least talented people I've ever been around.
00:09:31.000 And I find you're almost like, it's almost like a Sambo act where you're mocking women and mocking femininity. 0.96
00:09:38.000 And if you were doing this with, say, blacks, you know, with exaggerated black features, it would be really offensive. 0.99
00:09:44.000 And then Pamela starts screaming exactly that. 1.00
00:09:47.000 And then, you got a picture of this?
00:09:49.000 She gets on stage.
00:09:53.000 She got on stage. 0.96
00:09:54.000 Oh, there, play a second of that.
00:09:55.000 That's a video I did with myself.
00:10:01.000 Like, I know that's only three seconds, but you're just sitting there, sort of bored, doing this routine you worked out together as It's Raining Men plays, which by the way was written by David Letterman's guy, Paul Schaefer.
00:10:12.000 And you think, what's the talent here?
00:10:15.000 What am I watching?
00:10:16.000 So yeah, Pamela Geller gets on, there she is, and she starts screaming, this is wrong with her Long Island accent. 1.00
00:10:22.000 This is wrong.
00:10:24.000 And then that drag queen just holds her arm and goes, okay, crazy lady, let's leave. 1.00
00:10:29.000 And some lesbians were screaming at her. 1.00
00:10:31.000 But afterwards, I went for a meeting, a proud boy thing, and I brought Milo.
00:10:36.000 It'll be fun.
00:10:36.000 I said, come with us.
00:10:37.000 So we go to some student bar and God, Milo's a pariah.
00:10:44.000 All these students start, second they see him, they start screaming, Nazi, Nazi.
00:10:50.000 He's got to run the gauntlet as they hurl insults at him.
00:10:54.000 At one point, by the way, some guys, we were on the balcony.
00:10:57.000 We were sort of sequestered to the balcony because they were watching a game and I didn't want Milo to get killed.
00:11:02.000 And some guy is on the street and he's yelling up, I'm Indian.
00:11:05.000 I was born in Texas, but I'm Indian.
00:11:09.000 An Indian is with us, East Indian I'm talking about, obviously.
00:11:11.000 And I go, we got one of those two.
00:11:13.000 What's your point?
00:11:15.000 And then Milo goes, darling, I think I should leave.
00:11:17.000 This is getting a little tense.
00:11:18.000 And I go, oh, hold on, hold on.
00:11:19.000 And I go to walk him out.
00:11:20.000 I'm busy dealing with tons of stuff here.
00:11:22.000 And I feel bad about this.
00:11:23.000 I should have escorted him out, but he had his manager with him.
00:11:25.000 And as he's leaving, he told me later, they're screaming, Nazi, Nazi, at him.
00:11:31.000 And you just think, how did we get here?
00:11:35.000 Unbelievable.
00:11:36.000 Do you want to debate him?
00:11:37.000 What exactly did he say?
00:11:38.000 And inevitably, and they do this with me too, inevitably they'll find an example of how you're a horrible person, and it'll be a joke taken out of context that does sound incendiary on its own.
00:11:49.000 But if you're incurious, you just take that narrative and run with it.
00:11:52.000 And I have the opposite tendency now, having been on the other end of this.
00:11:55.000 Every time I'm reading the paper, I'm almost like, nah, yeah, let's see, let's see.
00:11:59.000 Yeah, maybe, maybe it was like that.
00:12:01.000 I'm not sure I trust you.
00:12:03.000 All right, so before we get to Milo and Matt, some other items in the news.
00:12:08.000 One of my favorite news items of all time.
00:12:11.000 Robert Mugabe has been elected the Ambassador of Goodwill by the World Health Organization.
00:12:20.000 Now, I've always been obsessed with Mugabe.
00:12:23.000 I remember one of my favorite lines about him is he wears 14 karat gold glasses.
00:12:27.000 And the author said, it wasn't clear whether he was wearing the glasses or the glasses were wearing him.
00:12:31.000 He's this little tiny diminutive black man who rode the coattails of Mandela into genocide. 0.96
00:12:38.000 I mean, he said to the Rhodesian white farmers, we need your land.
00:12:42.000 And then he started this group, I believe they're called the War Veterans, kids, 13 year olds, 14 years.
00:12:47.000 He said, go take their land. 0.69
00:12:48.000 You will not be prosecuted if you murder these white farmers and take their land. 0.93
00:12:53.000 By the way, they took the land, and what happened?
00:12:56.000 The farms dry up.
00:12:57.000 They don't know how to run a tobacco farm.
00:12:58.000 They're kids.
00:12:59.000 But he just confiscated their land.
00:13:01.000 Meanwhile, when Rhodesia converted to Zimbabwe, it was nothing but carnage.
00:13:05.000 And not just for human beings, for animals too.
00:13:08.000 Elephants dehydrated, lying there like a pair of big bags of leather.
00:13:13.000 Eventually, the only way that wildlife was saved, by the way, was privatizing it.
00:13:16.000 So there was an incentive.
00:13:17.000 So, you know, these dentists that you get mad about killing a lion are really the best thing for lions.
00:13:21.000 But Ann Coulter tweeted out that the WHO nominated the...
00:13:33.000 I mean, really, what we're learning here is if Goodwill now means killing white people, that's really what you're saying when you make Mugabe the Goodwill Ambassador?
00:13:44.000 One of my longest-running barroom conversations is why is Mugabe alive?
00:13:49.000 He's killed so many mothers and brothers and sisters, black and white, that you'd assume that one of these family members would just go pretend they're doing an article about him and bite his eyes off or something.
00:13:59.000 I said it to Penny Rimbaud of Crass, the band Crass, once that I visit every summer.
00:14:03.000 He goes, well, obviously you don't understand that the American government is the one propping him up.
00:14:09.000 If you would even try to kill him, the Americans would kill you.
00:14:14.000 Shut up. 0.95
00:14:15.000 I don't know whether I respect Penny or not, but that was insane.
00:14:19.000 Also in the news, so there was some demonstration where a Nazi showed up and a black man went up to him and hugged him.
00:14:30.000 This looks so fake.
00:14:34.000 It's unbelievable.
00:14:35.000 Now, I used to fight these guys in the 80s.
00:14:38.000 I remember skinheads would come to our punk shows and they would beat us up.
00:14:42.000 They were poor kids who had no dad, who'd been fighting every day of their lives, and we were scared little middle-class kids, so they were better than us.
00:14:48.000 But they didn't look like this.
00:14:51.000 They didn't have swastikas, four swastikas on the shirt with these big thick contractor suspenders that a carpenter would wear.
00:15:00.000 They wore skinny red braces, they were called.
00:15:03.000 I call BS on this.
00:15:04.000 I think this is completely fake.
00:15:06.000 There's other pictures of him, too.
00:15:08.000 You ever got that other picture of him?
00:15:11.000 Look at this.
00:15:13.000 He's got his weird headphones on.
00:15:15.000 He might as well have a foam swastika hat on, a styrofoam swastika hat. 0.57
00:15:19.000 This is fake.
00:15:20.000 Now, I don't know who did this.
00:15:21.000 Did Antifa do this?
00:15:23.000 Did the government do this?
00:15:24.000 Is this some sort of a...
00:15:30.000 I don't know why they do this.
00:15:32.000 I don't know what it's to foment, if it's Soros or what it is, but this stinks.
00:15:37.000 This looks really suspicious.
00:15:39.000 Why are they creating fake Nazis?
00:15:41.000 I don't know.
00:15:42.000 Do you have the one where he's wearing shorts?
00:15:44.000 Nice shorts, Nazi skinhead dude. 0.73
00:15:47.000 Is this bizarre?
00:15:48.000 I think it would be fascinating.
00:15:49.000 Hey, real journalists out there, can you find out who this guy is and why whoever is making fake Nazis?
00:15:58.000 I'm deeply confused by it.
00:16:00.000 Anyway, let's join me and Milo discussing the fact that neither of us, as Catholics, are allowed to speak at a Catholic college, the biggest in America, when Razma Ode, a terrorist who killed two Israelis, can go do a fundraiser there.
00:16:21.000 I was thinking about this the other day.
00:16:23.000 DePaul.
00:16:24.000 You and I could never do a talk at DePaul.
00:16:26.000 No.
00:16:26.000 DePaul is the biggest Catholic school in America.
00:16:30.000 It's actually the least Catholic school in America.
00:16:30.000 Yes.
00:16:32.000 It's looking like that.
00:16:34.000 You know how many abortion activists are on campus at DePaul?
00:16:34.000 Yeah, really.
00:16:39.000 It's one of the biggest societies on campus.
00:16:42.000 And I heard that the...
00:16:44.000 I don't know what they call it, Paul.
00:16:46.000 It's some kind of clerical-sounding thing.
00:16:47.000 But instead of the president or the chaplain, or whatever it is, has been...
00:16:58.000 Really?
00:16:59.000 That's good news.
00:17:00.000 I heard that from a member of the faculty, just saying that, you know, we try to keep, because she was complaining to me after my spectacular mess there. 0.99
00:17:07.000 She was like, oh, we just try to keep everybody happy.
00:17:09.000 The students are.
00:17:10.000 But you know, whatever his name is, I can't remember.
00:17:13.000 The one that resigned after my talk.
00:17:15.000 Yes, I want to get to that.
00:17:18.000 Horsen Brickenwecker.
00:17:18.000 What's his name?
00:17:19.000 Holsen Brisenwebacher.
00:17:21.000 He had been recalled to the Vatican a number of times to explain DePaul.
00:17:25.000 I met students there that were prevented from doing a pro-life talk because it was offending people.
00:17:33.000 Now, with you, I said, oh, Milo marched to the president's office, we'll call him for now.
00:17:38.000 And then he got the guy fired.
00:17:41.000 And that was the story that was running for a while.
00:17:43.000 And then I was told, no, no, no, that's not what happened.
00:17:45.000 It had nothing to do with the walk.
00:17:47.000 He was fired for even allowing Milo on campus.
00:17:50.000 Exactly.
00:17:50.000 What's happened is that they're sort of caught by their own nonsense.
00:17:56.000 On the one hand, they have to pretend to be pro-free speech because they run an academic establishment, and therefore they have to allow me to speak.
00:18:02.000 And probably somewhere they know that in the back of their minds.
00:18:05.000 But at the same time, they must pander to the social justice warriors.
00:18:08.000 And as we all know, the Catholic Church, I mean, we're both Catholic-ish, right?
00:18:13.000 The Catholic Church has become one of the most liberal institutions in the West.
00:18:19.000 The Bishops' Conference in England and Wales and London talks about nothing but diversity and climate change.
00:18:23.000 I mean, they haven't mentioned God for decades.
00:18:26.000 Don't they allow Muslims in the Vatican now to pray?
00:18:29.000 They wonder why people don't go to church anymore.
00:18:31.000 I mean, look, we did invent social justice, the concept of social justice.
00:18:34.000 I mean, we did invent that.
00:18:36.000 The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for. 0.61
00:18:38.000 Anyway, these Catholic institutions are incredibly left-wing.
00:18:42.000 So he's caught between the social justice warriors that make the place possible, without whose good graces the whole thing grinds to a halt, you know, with the Black Lives Matter, the feminists and all the rest of it, and the demands of running an academic establishment.
00:18:54.000 And those two things are irreconcilable.
00:18:56.000 And what he discovered was allowing me to speak and then not falling on his sword for allowing me to speak forced a resignation.
00:19:03.000 Unbelievable.
00:19:04.000 I mean, it's great.
00:19:04.000 It's amazing.
00:19:05.000 It was a great scalp for me, you know?
00:19:07.000 Just like Berkeley spending two million between me and Shapiro, they spent two million.
00:19:10.000 Good.
00:19:11.000 Let's bleed the f ⁇ ers dry. 1.00
00:19:14.000 I'm going to strip up at every state-funded college, left-wing college campus in this country if it means they're going to have to freak out and spend a million dollars.
00:19:21.000 Why?
00:19:22.000 Because it will teach them that the culture that they are creating, these leftist, you know, violent leftist protesters that they are playing footsie with and quietly encouraging, are going to cost them so much money.
00:19:32.000 Well, I'm really happy with it too, because it shows people, it becomes a great little sort of encapsulated concept where people go, that is indicative of much bigger problems.
00:19:41.000 Like Razma O'Day, who murdered, I believe she blew up, two 20-something Israelis, she's a Palestinian terrorist. 0.99
00:19:50.000 She did a talk there.
00:19:51.000 At DePaul.
00:19:52.000 No, not a talk.
00:19:53.000 A fundraiser.
00:19:54.000 Excuse me.
00:19:54.000 She walked around there doing a fundraiser for Palestinian terrorism, basically, because she wanted legal help because she was going to get extradited.
00:20:02.000 This is, by the way, who they had chosen for the Women's March.
00:20:05.000 So you think, DePaul is the biggest Catholic school.
00:20:08.000 It's supposed to be like Comedy Central.
00:20:10.000 Comedy Central's business model, which they don't really follow, is we're where you come for comedy.
00:20:14.000 So we have alternative comedy, redneck comedy. 0.57
00:20:17.000 We're the comedy spot.
00:20:18.000 You'd think that the two most cantankerous and controversial Catholics, that's some good, what's that called, assonance, dissonance, would be invited there. 1.00
00:20:28.000 No, we're not interested.
00:20:29.000 I was told I'm too violent.
00:20:30.000 You were too expensive, I guess.
00:20:33.000 And a Palestinian terrorist, come on in. 0.97
00:20:36.000 It sets off sirens in your head.
00:20:37.000 It's like those.
00:20:40.000 It's true, and it's these little things that happen that are microcosms of larger problems.
00:20:44.000 Do you know?
00:20:45.000 It's like there's so many examples, whether it is, you know, the people that Berkeley selectively applies fees to, whether it's, I mean, DePaul is the most extraordinary thing.
00:20:56.000 I mean, there are two big colleges in that town, right?
00:20:58.000 You've got University of Chicago, DePaul.
00:21:00.000 University of Chicago, great, said, if you want to come here, don't expect safe spaces and trigger warnings and all the rest of it.
00:21:05.000 DePaul, supposedly a Catholic, it is so depressing and disappointing watching, you know, the one place you'd think that you could get some good old-fashioned 1950s caning, learning by row, you know, grammar, reading, writing, and arithmetic, kind of like sit down and get whipped if you don't know whatever, would be a Catholic school. 0.99
00:21:25.000 Well, isn't that where you grew up?
00:21:26.000 You seem to know so much about Catholicism and all these bishops and all those guys with the hats.
00:21:35.000 Don't blaspheme now.
00:21:37.000 Oh, no, you're allowed to.
00:21:38.000 I recently discovered, because I did an interview for America magazine, which is a sort of soft left Catholic magazine.
00:21:46.000 And because I told the truth and said some interesting and provocative and pointed things, of course they didn't run the interview.
00:21:51.000 So I posted it on my blog, and then Church Militant, which is like the bright bot of the Catholic blogosphere.
00:21:57.000 How's that for a tagline?
00:21:59.000 You don't know, right?
00:22:00.000 I'm sure it's listed as a hate group on the SPL.
00:22:02.000 Oh, it is.
00:22:02.000 No, no, it's great.
00:22:03.000 And the founder is always listed as a hateful, whatever, whatever.
00:22:06.000 They had to deal with some of their own readers for running a gay guy, which I thought was very encouraging. 0.78
00:22:10.000 And they grown the interview instead, but it's like all of the big institutional branches of the Catholic Church are irredeemably social justice infested.
00:22:23.000 Yes.
00:22:24.000 And you know, if you have kids, say my kid was a gay conservative, like you, I would never let him go to college because he wouldn't be safe there. 0.64
00:22:32.000 I talked to Berkeley Republicans, two of them.
00:22:35.000 One's last name is Jandalaya.
00:22:38.000 And then that Troy.
00:22:39.000 That is his name.
00:22:40.000 It's Pranav Jandal. 0.86
00:22:42.000 And he gets spat on in the hallways.
00:22:45.000 He gets physically attacked.
00:22:46.000 Another good guy, Noe Thomas, who is also not white, who's the president or president of Meritus or whatever, the College of Republicans.
00:22:53.000 You know, he has the same thing.
00:22:55.000 Those guys are under siege.
00:22:56.000 So you'd go, okay, I'm a conservative.
00:22:58.000 I'm a Catholic.
00:22:58.000 I don't want to go to Berkeley.
00:23:00.000 I don't want to get spat on.
00:23:01.000 I'm going to go to DePaul.
00:23:03.000 And that is no longer Because you go one place you think you might be able to say, don't kill babies.
00:23:15.000 And actually, it's like it's a hate crime on campus.
00:23:18.000 It's amazing.
00:23:19.000 Well, it really is indicative of the West where the central institution, the central thing in the West is Christianity.
00:23:26.000 And if there's no bastion of sanity within there, then they've already, it's sort of like the Death Star where Luke flies into the middle.
00:23:32.000 I mean, that's the nucleus.
00:23:34.000 And if they're shattering the nucleus, we really have our work cut out for us.
00:23:36.000 That's true.
00:23:37.000 I mean, I would like to start a religious revival in this country.
00:23:40.000 I think America needs it.
00:23:42.000 I prefer that everybody were Catholic, but even if they're not, I can handle other kinds of Christianity.
00:23:47.000 What the left forgets, or maybe doesn't care about, because really it just wants sort of godless communism, is that Christianity isn't just a sort of unfortunate thing that goes along with all the nice freedoms that you have in the West, like, you know, property rights and capitalism and democracy, you know, and your ability to do whatever you want, have your hair whatever colour you want, say whoever you want about whatever public figure.
00:24:08.000 It is inextricably entwined with the history of all of the best.
00:24:12.000 Capitalism, you know, this requires Christianity to flourish. 1.00
00:24:16.000 The history of, I mean, Joe Rogan kind of like, you know, poo-pooed this when I brought it up on his show.
00:24:21.000 But, you know, capitalism and the Protestant work ethic cannot be separated from one another.
00:24:25.000 One would not exist without the other.
00:24:27.000 And indeed, just look around the world where they try other kinds of capitalism not based on Christianity. 0.62
00:24:31.000 They don't end so well for people.
00:24:36.000 It's so shocking that the left has forgotten that the freedoms that allow them to be crazy social justice, trans, queer, people of whatever, that essential principle of individual freedom and liberty, this country based like no other country in the world on the idea that you can be whatever the hell you want, that's a Christian thing. 0.91
00:24:55.000 Okay, last thing.
00:24:56.000 Speaking of sabotaging Christianity, when gay marriage first came up, I supported it because I believed their rhetoric. 1.00
00:25:02.000 They said, two men are in love.
00:25:04.000 I trust you.
00:25:05.000 Okay, get married.
00:25:06.000 And then I went, I saw people getting fined.
00:25:10.000 I saw, you know, churches being penalized.
00:25:12.000 And I went, oh, wait a minute.
00:25:14.000 This wasn't about marriage.
00:25:15.000 This was about sabotage.
00:25:17.000 You saw it as a way to get in there with like a virus, chip away at Christianity, beat up the family, beat up the patriarchy.
00:25:24.000 It was like planting little seeds of destruction in the West.
00:25:28.000 I think that's true.
00:25:29.000 I think it was.
00:25:30.000 I actually had the opposite journey through this.
00:25:32.000 I started off thinking You're getting married?
00:25:36.000 I was like, ew!
00:25:37.000 Why would we want to buy into this, you know, what would they say?
00:25:41.000 Heteronormative patriarchal institution.
00:25:43.000 Why would we want to do that?
00:25:44.000 The only good thing about being gay was being able to tumble out of nightclubs at 2 p.m. on a Monday and you're not known as the masters of monogamy.
00:25:52.000 No!
00:25:52.000 I mean, why would you want to do this?
00:25:54.000 Unless you, you know, of course, we've found some common ground today in an earlier discussion about the virtues of Sharia.
00:26:02.000 Unless you wanted a gay harem, you know, just as sort of catamites lining the walls, then why would you want to settle down with one person? 1.00
00:26:09.000 My opinion has been changed by falling in love, I'm sorry to say.
00:26:12.000 I can't offer you love.
00:26:14.000 You guys have love, huh?
00:26:15.000 Well, this was it.
00:26:16.000 One of the reasons I was like, gay marriage, are you kidding me?
00:26:19.000 Is I didn't know two guys could feel like that about each other, because my previous entanglements had not been characterized by deep affection.
00:26:27.000 Fairly deep, but I understand.
00:26:28.000 Well, if I got, you know, as deep as possible.
00:26:34.000 But I found actually that it was possible, and it happened to me.
00:26:40.000 And I don't know if I've been persuaded, but I have at least listened more carefully to the arguments like, well, if you've got to be gay, at least you be as good as you can.
00:26:48.000 So, you know, marriage has all kinds of subsidiary benefits for society.
00:26:53.000 That was my initial belief.
00:26:54.000 It was they're trying to be conservative.
00:26:56.000 They're trying to have a traditional life.
00:26:58.000 If this is a sign of the conservatization or the domestication of homosexuals, maybe that's not such a bad thing. 1.00
00:27:05.000 Maybe it's a sign of gay people stopping this voting with their activist hearts and starting to vote with their heads. 1.00
00:27:11.000 I mean, we're homos.
00:27:12.000 Of course we like low taxes because they have really nice shoes in Ferragamo.
00:27:16.000 And I don't want to pay, you know, some lesbian dance troupe through the arts society government grant, whatever. 1.00
00:27:21.000 I want those shoes.
00:27:22.000 You know, all kinds of reasons why gays would be Republicans. 1.00
00:27:25.000 You know, we don't want people to telling us what we can say and what we can do.
00:27:28.000 You don't want to pay tax on all your money.
00:27:29.000 You guys are rich.
00:27:30.000 Rugged individualists.
00:27:32.000 We don't want to pay taxes.
00:27:33.000 We don't like Islam very much and they don't like us very much. 1.00
00:27:36.000 Surely gay people would be natural Republicans if only they could put aside the admittedly, in some cases, helpful history of the activist left as far as gay rights are concerned. 0.97
00:27:48.000 Wouldn't we be natural conservatives or Republicans?
00:27:50.000 Anyway, if it's a sign of that happening, then I guess I'm all for it now.
00:27:54.000 I don't have a good answer for you, except to say that my opinion on...
00:27:58.000 I think my initial position was based on a misconception that two men could not really have the kind of love that a man and a woman have.
00:28:04.000 And that's no longer my position.
00:28:09.000 That is way gayer than the butt sex. 0.99
00:28:12.000 Way gayer than being gay. 1.00
00:28:15.000 That is far, far worse than wherever you put your penis, is that kind of saccharin sentimentalism.
00:28:23.000 So you promised that now that you're married, you will not be sabotaging Christianity and the Western world?
00:28:28.000 Well, my position on gay marriage now is that it would be mean and cruel to deny people the ability to recognize unions based sincerely on love and a desire for monogamy.
00:28:39.000 However, the priority must be protecting religious freedoms.
00:28:45.000 So you cannot do anything that would allow a church to be forced into performing a particular kind of ceremony it doesn't want to.
00:28:52.000 And I mean, that would be catastrophic.
00:28:54.000 I mean, you know, think what happened with the Catholic adoption agencies, right, back home in the UK.
00:28:59.000 When the government said you cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation when placing babies with foster homes, effectively meaning Catholic adoption agencies were by law not allowed to discriminate against gay parents, even though we know that kids end up way, way more f ⁇ ed up, particularly with lesbian parents. 0.85
00:29:20.000 You can't do it.
00:29:21.000 So what happened?
00:29:22.000 The Catholic adoption agencies just closed down.
00:29:24.000 Right.
00:29:24.000 Because this is an example, this is where catchment This is where Catholics differ from Anglicans and from Protestants, because we actually do have principles and we stick by them.
00:29:34.000 And we don't always live 100% according to our principles, but we know what they are and they don't change.
00:29:39.000 Unlike, you know, Protestantism, which sort of wafts around the fashions of the day, like diversity, climate change, acid rain.
00:29:47.000 Catholics actually believe in things.
00:29:48.000 So dramatic things happen, like the adoption agencies, which helped, what, tens of thousands of kids, will just shut down.
00:29:55.000 It must never, ever, ever be allowed that religious people and churches and religious organizations are forced to do anything that violates their religious consciences.
00:30:06.000 It's going to stop a lot of gay marriages because I think a lot of them is about an spite and an anger at Catholics and Christians for being moral. 1.00
00:30:14.000 I think they resent that.
00:30:15.000 I think so too.
00:30:15.000 I think so too, and I'm perfectly happy to say so.
00:30:17.000 I think, you know, nothing turns my stomach more, aside from the gay sex. 1.00
00:30:23.000 And fat chicks. 1.00
00:30:24.000 And fat women. 1.00
00:30:26.000 No, I'm just kidding.
00:30:28.000 Nothing turns my stomach more than the sight of these preening dikes. 1.00
00:30:33.000 Laughing.
00:30:35.000 Preening dykes. 1.00
00:30:36.000 Dikes.
00:30:36.000 Oh, preening dykes.
00:30:37.000 Lawing at Mercury launch on birthdays.
00:30:39.000 I know the bases.
00:30:40.000 I knew that was.
00:30:41.000 They're all basis.
00:30:46.000 Funny guy, that Milo.
00:30:48.000 And you'll notice, by the way, the one thing we both have in common is we change our politics and learn and evolve in our ideologies, we're both curious.
00:30:55.000 We need to bring that back to American culture, is the idea of being curious, of being wrong, of failing, of not being safe.
00:31:02.000 That's what made this country great, was the grit of risk.
00:31:05.000 Let's bring it back.
00:31:06.000 And one of the ways we're going to get that back is to stop pleasuring ourselves all the time in front of a computer that shows a video of two other people enjoying each other, and they're not even enjoying it, per se.
00:31:20.000 That's a pretty sad and depraved state of being.
00:31:24.000 It's almost like watching someone else play video games, which we also do, by the way.
00:31:28.000 Let's talk to Matt Froud, the author of The Porn Myth, about how bad it is to watch pornography.
00:31:36.000 Hi, Matt.
00:31:37.000 How are you?
00:31:38.000 Good hi.
00:31:38.000 I'm well.
00:31:39.000 How are you?
00:31:40.000 I'm all right, Mike.
00:31:43.000 I think we have common cause here.
00:31:45.000 I started out as a dare to quit masturbating with my friend Dante Nero.
00:31:51.000 And we said, let's go 10 days, let's go 30 days.
00:31:55.000 And then we just quit it entirely to focus on, well, he's single, but it helped me with my marriage.
00:32:02.000 But I think inadvertently with this silly dare, we sort of discovered a new religion as far as we're concerned.
00:32:09.000 And we realized how bad porn was for us.
00:32:14.000 Yeah, that's awesome.
00:32:15.000 I think a lot of people are in your situation who are quitting porn and masturbation, not for religious reasons necessarily, but just because they see the way it's getting in the way of their most cherished relationships.
00:32:24.000 They see the way it's robbing them of the time that they could be spending learning how to do something awesome.
00:32:30.000 And so I think that's kind of cool.
00:32:31.000 I say that to guys too.
00:32:33.000 I go, look, I know it sounds crazy.
00:32:35.000 Give me 10 days.
00:32:36.000 Just go 10 days and get back to me.
00:32:38.000 And within those 10 days, you'll notice you're whistling in the shower and you walk down the street with a different demeanor.
00:32:44.000 You just feel more powerful.
00:32:47.000 Yeah, that's really cool.
00:32:49.000 Yeah.
00:32:49.000 I think one of the reasons we masturbate, one of the reasons we look at pornography is to soothe ourselves.
00:32:54.000 When we feel kind of like emotionally turbulent, it's that activity that we turn to to regulate ourselves, you know?
00:33:00.000 But I think the problem with it is that it's an isolating behavior, right?
00:33:04.000 Like instead of going out and making a connection with a real human being, we retreat into ourselves.
00:33:09.000 And I don't think that's healthy.
00:33:10.000 No, and I've said that there's two problems with men right now.
00:33:14.000 Single men, millennials, they don't feel inclined to get off the couch and go meet chicks. 0.93
00:33:18.000 They're intimidated.
00:33:20.000 There's so much stigma around doing the wrong thing that they'd rather just stay with the computer.
00:33:25.000 Similarly, married men, when they're in the doghouse, it doesn't feel like a punishment because they go, oh, well, I'll just have sex with 7 million tens. 0.70
00:33:34.000 So I think it keeps men virgins. 0.99
00:33:37.000 For the first time ever, I'm meeting 23-year-old virgins.
00:33:39.000 And then secondly, it damages...
00:33:46.000 Hundreds a year are linked to porn because there's no stakes anymore.
00:33:50.000 There's no punishment.
00:33:52.000 Yeah, I mean, C.S. Lewis had a good point about masturbation.
00:33:55.000 He said, yeah, when we masturbate, what we're fantasizing is about people who make no demands on our selfishness.
00:34:04.000 They don't pose any demands upon our vanity.
00:34:06.000 You know, we're just essentially like a god to them.
00:34:08.000 You know what I mean?
00:34:10.000 And maybe we do want to be worshipped.
00:34:12.000 But of course, if you take that attitude into a relationship where you're supposed to be giving of yourself to this other person and you essentially switch things, say, no, no, you worship me.
00:34:19.000 Let me be like a kind of god to you.
00:34:21.000 That's clearly like a recipe for divorce, I think. 0.98
00:34:25.000 Yeah, well, I don't think our brain knows this.
00:34:27.000 There's that other book, Your Brain on Porn.
00:34:30.000 Are you familiar with that guy?
00:34:31.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of Gary Wilson.
00:34:33.000 Yep.
00:34:33.000 And he says, your brain thinks you're Genghis Khan, and you're conquering all these villages, having sex with all these tens, which, as far as genetics and evolution goes, is a good thing in quotation marks.
00:34:47.000 So your brain goes, well, you're Genghis Khan.
00:34:50.000 You're conquering all of Asia. 0.97
00:34:51.000 I'm going to send out some endorphins.
00:34:52.000 This is good.
00:34:53.000 Good work.
00:34:54.000 Yeah.
00:34:55.000 And this is why people don't look at the same picture of somebody again and again and again or the same porn video.
00:35:00.000 They go from one to the next to the next to the next to the next, training themselves to become bored with, we might say, some of the most beautiful bodies on the planet.
00:35:08.000 But what ends up happening, I think, is the irony of adult entertainment is that we go for entertainment and we become bored.
00:35:16.000 We go because we want to be free to do whatever we want, we become enslaved.
00:35:18.000 We go for adult entertainment and become increasingly juvenile.
00:35:22.000 And then what we find out is that our actual sex lives are incredibly disappointing.
00:35:26.000 So it would seem to me that if one wants to remain sexually dissatisfied for the rest of their life, then I think porn's the way to go.
00:35:33.000 Also, if you want to ruin your future marriage before it begins, I think you can't choose much better than porn either.
00:35:39.000 Yeah.
00:35:40.000 I mean, it's like junk food.
00:35:42.000 You just don't feel like sitting down and making a nice recipe when you can just have a quick cheeseburger, and the next thing you know, you're fat.
00:35:50.000 That's a great point, right?
00:35:51.000 Because you can't accustom to yourself to just junk so that when someone presents you a beautiful meal, you actually don't know how to appreciate it.
00:35:59.000 And it's not the meal's fault, just like it isn't your wife's fault.
00:36:02.000 Like it's your fault, you doofus. 0.71
00:36:05.000 You become sexually obese.
00:36:07.000 Now, one thing people, you do a great podcast called Pints with Aquinas.
00:36:12.000 You're a very religious dude.
00:36:14.000 Yeah.
00:36:15.000 But this book is not a religious book at all.
00:36:18.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:36:19.000 I'm a Catholic.
00:36:19.000 I'm a very religious dude.
00:36:21.000 But this book has nothing to do with religion.
00:36:23.000 It's actually a non-religious response to pro-porn arguments.
00:36:27.000 And, you know, the reason for that, I think, is we live in a secular culture, and you do not have to be a religious person to be down with the fact that exploiting people isn't cool.
00:36:35.000 Yeah, you know what's funny?
00:36:36.000 We've had porn stars on the show in the past. 1.00
00:36:38.000 Mercedes Carrera is one of them.
00:36:40.000 And I heard, I think it's Jenna Jamison. 0.97
00:36:42.000 I'm not sure, but she's sort of sworn off pornography and realizes it's dangerous now that she's had kids.
00:36:47.000 But one fascinating thing Mercedes said to us was that men on the set will want to have snuggling, cuddly sex sort of off the air because they don't really enjoy all this debasing. 0.69
00:37:03.000 And the director will be like, all right, that's enough.
00:37:04.000 Come on, come on, come on. 0.97
00:37:06.000 Stop kissing.
00:37:07.000 Get back to work here.
00:37:08.000 Get back to debasing.
00:37:10.000 Get back to punching her and spitting on her. 1.00
00:37:12.000 Yeah.
00:37:15.000 That's a really interesting point.
00:37:16.000 Yeah, because we talk about how it degrades women clearly, but it also kind of like turns men into beasts because we understand who we are based on our relationships.
00:37:24.000 You know, like if a kid was born and you let him grow up in a forest all on his own, who he would become is something much different than if he was in a family.
00:37:32.000 And of course, if you and I grew up in an abusive family, then how we understand ourselves is going to be very different to the way we would understand ourselves if we grew up in a loving family.
00:37:40.000 And I think if you're engaging with pornography in which you're watching people abuse women, you know, for some kind of pleasure, it also affects how you, not only how you see women and men, but how you see yourself.
00:37:50.000 Like you become this sort of predator.
00:37:51.000 And sex becomes sort of nasty and dirty.
00:37:53.000 Like sex shouldn't be that.
00:37:54.000 Like sex is beautiful.
00:37:55.000 If it wasn't, you couldn't make it ugly, right?
00:37:57.000 You can't make mud ugly, you know? 0.98
00:38:01.000 Yeah.
00:38:02.000 Guys, if you're out there, please just try it.
00:38:05.000 I know it sounds weird, but your life becomes more fulfilled.
00:38:10.000 It's so funny, man.
00:38:11.000 We've become so accustomed to porn that telling people not to masturbate.
00:38:13.000 It's like us saying, okay, go 10 days without urinating, okay?
00:38:16.000 I promise it'll be fine.
00:38:18.000 It's like, no, like you don't need to masturbate like you need to urinate.
00:38:22.000 Yes.
00:38:22.000 And it's amazing how, you know, when I say it to millennials, they go, no, porn's all I have.
00:38:27.000 Screw you.
00:38:28.000 And when I say it to Gen X and UP, they all go, yeah, okay.
00:38:32.000 It's like I said, you know, don't eat cheese for 10 days.
00:38:34.000 They see it as amusing.
00:38:36.000 Okay, I can try that.
00:38:37.000 Whereas the younger generations, it's such an intrinsic part of their life that it's like I've said, quit something that keeps you alive.
00:38:44.000 It's really frustrating.
00:38:46.000 You know, you were talking about a no-masturbation contest you did with your friend.
00:38:49.000 That reminds me of this website that's out there today.
00:38:50.000 It's called Blue LabelChallenge.com.
00:38:52.000 I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but basically, it's a no-masturbation, no pornography contest that you enter with another person, and then you agree upon a specific consequence.
00:39:01.000 And the first person who succumbs to masturbation pornography has to pay that consequence, right?
00:39:06.000 So they're going to take that person out to dinner.
00:39:07.000 They're going to buy them something.
00:39:08.000 They're going to donate $50 to a women's shelter. 0.98
00:39:11.000 And so I think that might be kind of cool.
00:39:13.000 Like maybe people who are listening to you and me, they don't agree with everything we're saying about how pornography is detrimental, but they might be cool with having some kind of competition with someone.
00:39:21.000 And as you say, just try it out, see what happens.
00:39:24.000 You won't believe all the great things that happened.
00:39:26.000 I can't tell you how many guys, married men, have contacted me and said, you won't believe this.
00:39:31.000 My wife's finally pregnant. 1.00
00:39:32.000 We were doing all kinds of regiment and following her schedule and all this stuff, trying to get pregnant. 0.97
00:39:38.000 Then I stopped masturbating, and boom, we got a boy on the way.
00:39:41.000 I thought you were saying something like, I just kept masturbating to my iPhone and my wife wasn't getting pregnant.
00:39:45.000 What's going on?
00:39:46.000 Well, that is basically what's happening.
00:39:48.000 Yes, that is what's happening, and people don't realize it.
00:39:52.000 Well, Matt, thank you for fighting the good fight.
00:39:53.000 We'll definitely check out your book, The Porn Myth, and your podcast, Pints with Aquinas, but the two are not related.
00:39:59.000 This is a.
00:40:00.000 Yeah, two aren't related.
00:40:01.000 You can think I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the existence of God and Christianity and still agree with me that pornography is bad for you.
00:40:08.000 And if you disagree, just please try it.
00:40:11.000 Try 10 days.
00:40:16.000 That's it, folks.
00:40:16.000 Thanks for coming by.
00:40:17.000 Tune in tomorrow.
00:40:18.000 I think we got King Bunty on, maybe Ricky Berwick, maybe Jim Goad, Copper Cab.
00:40:22.000 I don't know.
00:40:23.000 I feel kind of internety tomorrow.
00:40:24.000 We tend to wing it here on this show.
00:40:26.000 And I appreciate you coming by, and I hope that you enjoyed the show.