On this week's episode of the podcast, we remember the life and death of Corporal Nathan Cirrillo, who was shot and killed by a terrorist on the third anniversary of his death. We also remember the death of a Canadian soldier who was killed in the line of duty in front of a war memorial wearing a kilt.
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00:02:20.000Today, Corporal Nathan Cirrillo, actually, I think it was yesterday, we're commemorating the third year anniversary of his death.
00:02:26.000Now, this was a guy, don't play the volume, we'll just have this play in the background.
00:02:29.000This was a guy who was guarding the war memorial in Canada three years ago.
00:02:34.000And he was dressed in the Rangers uniform.
00:02:38.000Lots of different divisions in the Canadian military wear kilts because Scotland is a very integral part of Canada's history.
00:02:46.000Way even with the early British, 200 years ago, you had the Scots settling Canada and the Highlanders were great warriors.
00:02:55.000The Brits forgave themselves for working with the Scots by saying it takes a thief to fight a thief.
00:03:00.000And Nathan Cirrillo is double commemorating that.
00:03:03.000One in his uniform by wearing a kilt and commemorating a contribution that's hundreds of years old.
00:03:10.000And then also in front of the war memorial, he's guarding that.
00:03:13.000So that already says tomes about the proper way to acknowledge past contributions, something we seem to be forgetting more and more every day with all this statue talk.
00:03:24.000But here's something even more analogous, even more shocking, even more prophetic.
00:03:28.000The gun he's holding right now, the gun he's holding, had no bullets in it because the government thought that would be too dangerous.
00:03:37.000So, three years ago, yesterday, he was shot by a terrorist, Michel Zibot, I believe his name was.
00:03:43.000And he couldn't fight back because he was not armed, even though he's carrying a machine gun.
00:04:00.000Patrice Vincent, Warren Officer Patrice Vincent, was run down by another white Muslim who had been radicalized in Canada with anti-Canadian rhetoric that the Halifax Five were pilloried for daring to question.
00:04:50.000And by the way, the one who killed Nathan Cirrillo, that Zeebo guy I just showed you, his mother, I believe her name is Sarah Zeebo, you know what her job is?
00:05:00.000She works at the government, and her job is to assimilate immigrants and make sure that they are Canadian and they enjoy being in Canada.
00:05:08.000She couldn't even assimilate her own son.
00:05:27.000Pre-recorded interview I did last week.
00:05:30.000Milo and I will be talking about DePaul, the largest Catholic school in the country where neither of us can speak, but terrorists can have fundraisers there.
00:05:39.000If you're pro-life, nah, you're not really welcome.
00:05:42.000I talked to a college Republican there who was prevented from having a pro-life rally because they thought that would offend people at a Catholic college.
00:05:53.000It seems to be one of the most un-Catholic, Catholic institutions there is.
00:05:58.000Although the Pope's talking about having Muslims play in the Vatican.
00:06:07.000We'll be talking to a Catholic actually after Milo, Matt Frad.
00:06:11.000Matt Frad wrote a great book called The Porn Myth, and he's going to talk to us about how evil porn is, which we agree with, which we discovered accidentally on a dare.
00:06:22.000Dante Nero and I dared each other to quit masturbating and noticed our lives just improved.
00:07:18.000It's a restaurant called Lips that's really just chubby girls screaming at the top of their lungs and doing shots while drag queens flounce around.
00:07:26.000And Milo made me go there because he thought it would be weird, and it was very weird.
00:07:43.000But she's screaming across the table because she has to.
00:07:45.000I'm like this, trying to hear her because the music is blaring.
00:07:48.000I almost sort of, it was like an out-of-body experience at one point because I just hear, and I think I'm kind of, I feel like I'm on acid right now.
00:07:58.000All I could do is scream back, I can't hear you.
00:08:02.000But what I found most fascinating about this time at Lips, and it got publicity, there was some article about how we went there to cause a scene.
00:08:10.000And when a scene wasn't caused and the staff was professional, there was no, there was, we had to make a scene.
00:10:01.000Like, I know that's only three seconds, but you're just sitting there, sort of bored, doing this routine you worked out together as It's Raining Men plays, which by the way was written by David Letterman's guy, Paul Schaefer.
00:10:12.000And you think, what's the talent here?
00:11:38.000And inevitably, and they do this with me too, inevitably they'll find an example of how you're a horrible person, and it'll be a joke taken out of context that does sound incendiary on its own.
00:11:49.000But if you're incurious, you just take that narrative and run with it.
00:11:52.000And I have the opposite tendency now, having been on the other end of this.
00:11:55.000Every time I'm reading the paper, I'm almost like, nah, yeah, let's see, let's see.
00:13:17.000So, you know, these dentists that you get mad about killing a lion are really the best thing for lions.
00:13:21.000But Ann Coulter tweeted out that the WHO nominated the...
00:13:33.000I mean, really, what we're learning here is if Goodwill now means killing white people, that's really what you're saying when you make Mugabe the Goodwill Ambassador?
00:13:44.000One of my longest-running barroom conversations is why is Mugabe alive?
00:13:49.000He's killed so many mothers and brothers and sisters, black and white, that you'd assume that one of these family members would just go pretend they're doing an article about him and bite his eyes off or something.
00:13:59.000I said it to Penny Rimbaud of Crass, the band Crass, once that I visit every summer.
00:14:03.000He goes, well, obviously you don't understand that the American government is the one propping him up.
00:14:09.000If you would even try to kill him, the Americans would kill you.
00:14:35.000Now, I used to fight these guys in the 80s.
00:14:38.000I remember skinheads would come to our punk shows and they would beat us up.
00:14:42.000They were poor kids who had no dad, who'd been fighting every day of their lives, and we were scared little middle-class kids, so they were better than us.
00:16:00.000Anyway, let's join me and Milo discussing the fact that neither of us, as Catholics, are allowed to speak at a Catholic college, the biggest in America, when Razma Ode, a terrorist who killed two Israelis, can go do a fundraiser there.
00:16:21.000I was thinking about this the other day.
00:17:00.000I heard that from a member of the faculty, just saying that, you know, we try to keep, because she was complaining to me after my spectacular mess there.
00:17:07.000She was like, oh, we just try to keep everybody happy.
00:17:50.000What's happened is that they're sort of caught by their own nonsense.
00:17:56.000On the one hand, they have to pretend to be pro-free speech because they run an academic establishment, and therefore they have to allow me to speak.
00:18:02.000And probably somewhere they know that in the back of their minds.
00:18:05.000But at the same time, they must pander to the social justice warriors.
00:18:08.000And as we all know, the Catholic Church, I mean, we're both Catholic-ish, right?
00:18:13.000The Catholic Church has become one of the most liberal institutions in the West.
00:18:19.000The Bishops' Conference in England and Wales and London talks about nothing but diversity and climate change.
00:18:23.000I mean, they haven't mentioned God for decades.
00:18:26.000Don't they allow Muslims in the Vatican now to pray?
00:18:29.000They wonder why people don't go to church anymore.
00:18:31.000I mean, look, we did invent social justice, the concept of social justice.
00:18:36.000The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
00:18:38.000Anyway, these Catholic institutions are incredibly left-wing.
00:18:42.000So he's caught between the social justice warriors that make the place possible, without whose good graces the whole thing grinds to a halt, you know, with the Black Lives Matter, the feminists and all the rest of it, and the demands of running an academic establishment.
00:18:54.000And those two things are irreconcilable.
00:18:56.000And what he discovered was allowing me to speak and then not falling on his sword for allowing me to speak forced a resignation.
00:19:14.000I'm going to strip up at every state-funded college, left-wing college campus in this country if it means they're going to have to freak out and spend a million dollars.
00:19:22.000Because it will teach them that the culture that they are creating, these leftist, you know, violent leftist protesters that they are playing footsie with and quietly encouraging, are going to cost them so much money.
00:19:32.000Well, I'm really happy with it too, because it shows people, it becomes a great little sort of encapsulated concept where people go, that is indicative of much bigger problems.
00:19:41.000Like Razma O'Day, who murdered, I believe she blew up, two 20-something Israelis, she's a Palestinian terrorist.
00:19:54.000She walked around there doing a fundraiser for Palestinian terrorism, basically, because she wanted legal help because she was going to get extradited.
00:20:02.000This is, by the way, who they had chosen for the Women's March.
00:20:05.000So you think, DePaul is the biggest Catholic school.
00:20:08.000It's supposed to be like Comedy Central.
00:20:10.000Comedy Central's business model, which they don't really follow, is we're where you come for comedy.
00:20:14.000So we have alternative comedy, redneck comedy.
00:20:18.000You'd think that the two most cantankerous and controversial Catholics, that's some good, what's that called, assonance, dissonance, would be invited there.
00:20:45.000It's like there's so many examples, whether it is, you know, the people that Berkeley selectively applies fees to, whether it's, I mean, DePaul is the most extraordinary thing.
00:20:56.000I mean, there are two big colleges in that town, right?
00:20:58.000You've got University of Chicago, DePaul.
00:21:00.000University of Chicago, great, said, if you want to come here, don't expect safe spaces and trigger warnings and all the rest of it.
00:21:05.000DePaul, supposedly a Catholic, it is so depressing and disappointing watching, you know, the one place you'd think that you could get some good old-fashioned 1950s caning, learning by row, you know, grammar, reading, writing, and arithmetic, kind of like sit down and get whipped if you don't know whatever, would be a Catholic school.
00:22:03.000And the founder is always listed as a hateful, whatever, whatever.
00:22:06.000They had to deal with some of their own readers for running a gay guy, which I thought was very encouraging.
00:22:10.000And they grown the interview instead, but it's like all of the big institutional branches of the Catholic Church are irredeemably social justice infested.
00:22:24.000And you know, if you have kids, say my kid was a gay conservative, like you, I would never let him go to college because he wouldn't be safe there.
00:22:32.000I talked to Berkeley Republicans, two of them.
00:23:42.000I prefer that everybody were Catholic, but even if they're not, I can handle other kinds of Christianity.
00:23:47.000What the left forgets, or maybe doesn't care about, because really it just wants sort of godless communism, is that Christianity isn't just a sort of unfortunate thing that goes along with all the nice freedoms that you have in the West, like, you know, property rights and capitalism and democracy, you know, and your ability to do whatever you want, have your hair whatever colour you want, say whoever you want about whatever public figure.
00:24:08.000It is inextricably entwined with the history of all of the best.
00:24:12.000Capitalism, you know, this requires Christianity to flourish.
00:24:16.000The history of, I mean, Joe Rogan kind of like, you know, poo-pooed this when I brought it up on his show.
00:24:21.000But, you know, capitalism and the Protestant work ethic cannot be separated from one another.
00:24:25.000One would not exist without the other.
00:24:27.000And indeed, just look around the world where they try other kinds of capitalism not based on Christianity.
00:24:36.000It's so shocking that the left has forgotten that the freedoms that allow them to be crazy social justice, trans, queer, people of whatever, that essential principle of individual freedom and liberty, this country based like no other country in the world on the idea that you can be whatever the hell you want, that's a Christian thing.
00:25:44.000The only good thing about being gay was being able to tumble out of nightclubs at 2 p.m. on a Monday and you're not known as the masters of monogamy.
00:25:52.000I mean, why would you want to do this?
00:25:54.000Unless you, you know, of course, we've found some common ground today in an earlier discussion about the virtues of Sharia.
00:26:02.000Unless you wanted a gay harem, you know, just as sort of catamites lining the walls, then why would you want to settle down with one person?
00:26:09.000My opinion has been changed by falling in love, I'm sorry to say.
00:26:16.000One of the reasons I was like, gay marriage, are you kidding me?
00:26:19.000Is I didn't know two guys could feel like that about each other, because my previous entanglements had not been characterized by deep affection.
00:26:28.000Well, if I got, you know, as deep as possible.
00:26:34.000But I found actually that it was possible, and it happened to me.
00:26:40.000And I don't know if I've been persuaded, but I have at least listened more carefully to the arguments like, well, if you've got to be gay, at least you be as good as you can.
00:26:48.000So, you know, marriage has all kinds of subsidiary benefits for society.
00:27:33.000We don't like Islam very much and they don't like us very much.
00:27:36.000Surely gay people would be natural Republicans if only they could put aside the admittedly, in some cases, helpful history of the activist left as far as gay rights are concerned.
00:27:48.000Wouldn't we be natural conservatives or Republicans?
00:27:50.000Anyway, if it's a sign of that happening, then I guess I'm all for it now.
00:27:54.000I don't have a good answer for you, except to say that my opinion on...
00:27:58.000I think my initial position was based on a misconception that two men could not really have the kind of love that a man and a woman have.
00:28:15.000That is far, far worse than wherever you put your penis, is that kind of saccharin sentimentalism.
00:28:23.000So you promised that now that you're married, you will not be sabotaging Christianity and the Western world?
00:28:28.000Well, my position on gay marriage now is that it would be mean and cruel to deny people the ability to recognize unions based sincerely on love and a desire for monogamy.
00:28:39.000However, the priority must be protecting religious freedoms.
00:28:45.000So you cannot do anything that would allow a church to be forced into performing a particular kind of ceremony it doesn't want to.
00:28:52.000And I mean, that would be catastrophic.
00:28:54.000I mean, you know, think what happened with the Catholic adoption agencies, right, back home in the UK.
00:28:59.000When the government said you cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation when placing babies with foster homes, effectively meaning Catholic adoption agencies were by law not allowed to discriminate against gay parents, even though we know that kids end up way, way more f ⁇ ed up, particularly with lesbian parents.
00:29:24.000Because this is an example, this is where catchment This is where Catholics differ from Anglicans and from Protestants, because we actually do have principles and we stick by them.
00:29:34.000And we don't always live 100% according to our principles, but we know what they are and they don't change.
00:29:39.000Unlike, you know, Protestantism, which sort of wafts around the fashions of the day, like diversity, climate change, acid rain.
00:29:48.000So dramatic things happen, like the adoption agencies, which helped, what, tens of thousands of kids, will just shut down.
00:29:55.000It must never, ever, ever be allowed that religious people and churches and religious organizations are forced to do anything that violates their religious consciences.
00:30:06.000It's going to stop a lot of gay marriages because I think a lot of them is about an spite and an anger at Catholics and Christians for being moral.
00:30:48.000And you'll notice, by the way, the one thing we both have in common is we change our politics and learn and evolve in our ideologies, we're both curious.
00:30:55.000We need to bring that back to American culture, is the idea of being curious, of being wrong, of failing, of not being safe.
00:31:02.000That's what made this country great, was the grit of risk.
00:31:06.000And one of the ways we're going to get that back is to stop pleasuring ourselves all the time in front of a computer that shows a video of two other people enjoying each other, and they're not even enjoying it, per se.
00:31:20.000That's a pretty sad and depraved state of being.
00:31:24.000It's almost like watching someone else play video games, which we also do, by the way.
00:31:28.000Let's talk to Matt Froud, the author of The Porn Myth, about how bad it is to watch pornography.
00:32:15.000I think a lot of people are in your situation who are quitting porn and masturbation, not for religious reasons necessarily, but just because they see the way it's getting in the way of their most cherished relationships.
00:32:24.000They see the way it's robbing them of the time that they could be spending learning how to do something awesome.
00:33:20.000There's so much stigma around doing the wrong thing that they'd rather just stay with the computer.
00:33:25.000Similarly, married men, when they're in the doghouse, it doesn't feel like a punishment because they go, oh, well, I'll just have sex with 7 million tens.
00:34:10.000And maybe we do want to be worshipped.
00:34:12.000But of course, if you take that attitude into a relationship where you're supposed to be giving of yourself to this other person and you essentially switch things, say, no, no, you worship me.
00:34:33.000And he says, your brain thinks you're Genghis Khan, and you're conquering all these villages, having sex with all these tens, which, as far as genetics and evolution goes, is a good thing in quotation marks.
00:34:47.000So your brain goes, well, you're Genghis Khan.
00:34:55.000And this is why people don't look at the same picture of somebody again and again and again or the same porn video.
00:35:00.000They go from one to the next to the next to the next to the next, training themselves to become bored with, we might say, some of the most beautiful bodies on the planet.
00:35:08.000But what ends up happening, I think, is the irony of adult entertainment is that we go for entertainment and we become bored.
00:35:16.000We go because we want to be free to do whatever we want, we become enslaved.
00:35:18.000We go for adult entertainment and become increasingly juvenile.
00:35:22.000And then what we find out is that our actual sex lives are incredibly disappointing.
00:35:26.000So it would seem to me that if one wants to remain sexually dissatisfied for the rest of their life, then I think porn's the way to go.
00:35:33.000Also, if you want to ruin your future marriage before it begins, I think you can't choose much better than porn either.
00:35:42.000You just don't feel like sitting down and making a nice recipe when you can just have a quick cheeseburger, and the next thing you know, you're fat.
00:35:51.000Because you can't accustom to yourself to just junk so that when someone presents you a beautiful meal, you actually don't know how to appreciate it.
00:35:59.000And it's not the meal's fault, just like it isn't your wife's fault.
00:36:21.000But this book has nothing to do with religion.
00:36:23.000It's actually a non-religious response to pro-porn arguments.
00:36:27.000And, you know, the reason for that, I think, is we live in a secular culture, and you do not have to be a religious person to be down with the fact that exploiting people isn't cool.
00:36:40.000And I heard, I think it's Jenna Jamison.
00:36:42.000I'm not sure, but she's sort of sworn off pornography and realizes it's dangerous now that she's had kids.
00:36:47.000But one fascinating thing Mercedes said to us was that men on the set will want to have snuggling, cuddly sex sort of off the air because they don't really enjoy all this debasing.
00:37:03.000And the director will be like, all right, that's enough.
00:37:16.000Yeah, because we talk about how it degrades women clearly, but it also kind of like turns men into beasts because we understand who we are based on our relationships.
00:37:24.000You know, like if a kid was born and you let him grow up in a forest all on his own, who he would become is something much different than if he was in a family.
00:37:32.000And of course, if you and I grew up in an abusive family, then how we understand ourselves is going to be very different to the way we would understand ourselves if we grew up in a loving family.
00:37:40.000And I think if you're engaging with pornography in which you're watching people abuse women, you know, for some kind of pleasure, it also affects how you, not only how you see women and men, but how you see yourself.
00:37:50.000Like you become this sort of predator.
00:37:51.000And sex becomes sort of nasty and dirty.
00:38:52.000I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but basically, it's a no-masturbation, no pornography contest that you enter with another person, and then you agree upon a specific consequence.
00:39:01.000And the first person who succumbs to masturbation pornography has to pay that consequence, right?
00:39:06.000So they're going to take that person out to dinner.
00:39:08.000They're going to donate $50 to a women's shelter.
00:39:11.000And so I think that might be kind of cool.
00:39:13.000Like maybe people who are listening to you and me, they don't agree with everything we're saying about how pornography is detrimental, but they might be cool with having some kind of competition with someone.
00:39:21.000And as you say, just try it out, see what happens.
00:39:24.000You won't believe all the great things that happened.
00:39:26.000I can't tell you how many guys, married men, have contacted me and said, you won't believe this.
00:40:01.000You can think I'm a complete idiot when it comes to the existence of God and Christianity and still agree with me that pornography is bad for you.
00:40:08.000And if you disagree, just please try it.