Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - November 07, 2017


Get Off My Lawn #25 | Church Massacre


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Kevin and Yusong talk about the mass shooting at a church in Charleston, SC, and the upcoming election. They also discuss a photo of Donald Trump feeding fish in a koi pond in Japan. And they debunk some of the most common gun myths.

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00:00:13.000 From New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Kevin McGinnis.
00:00:20.000 She don't like her eggs all runny.
00:00:23.000 She thinks crossing her legs is funny. 0.82
00:00:26.000 She looks down and knows that money. 0.52
00:00:29.000 She gets it on like the Easter bunny.
00:00:32.000 She's my baby.
00:00:34.000 I'm her honey.
00:00:35.000 I'm never gonna let her go.
00:00:40.000 He ain't got late in a month of Sundays.
00:00:43.000 Caught him once and he was sniffing my undies.
00:00:46.000 He ain't too sharp, but he gets things done.
00:00:50.000 Drinks his beer like it's oxygen.
00:00:55.000 John Prine.
00:00:58.000 I forget what the name of that song is.
00:01:01.000 Despite ourselves or something.
00:01:03.000 Great.
00:01:03.000 In spite of ourselves.
00:01:04.000 In spite of ourselves.
00:01:06.000 I don't know.
00:01:07.000 I was watching, I was on some Instagram account called Dads of the 70s or something like that.
00:01:12.000 It made me pine for those times when your wife would say that you drink beer like it's oxygen and you're a pervert who doesn't get late enough as a compliment. 1.00
00:01:24.000 So today is going to be a very unique episode.
00:01:28.000 We're going to focus exclusively on the church massacre.
00:01:33.000 There's other things I want to get to.
00:01:35.000 I wanted to talk about the election here in New York that's going down tomorrow.
00:01:40.000 The odds are very, very, it's slightly possible that Nicole Moulitakis could win and change the city forever. 0.89
00:01:50.000 I don't know.
00:01:51.000 I don't think it will.
00:01:51.000 I was talking to a cop on the way and he goes, I don't want her to win.
00:01:54.000 I want Bernie to win.
00:01:55.000 I want socialists to win. 0.99
00:01:56.000 I want us to have to eat out of cardboard boxes so my kids don't have to go through this crap. 0.99
00:02:02.000 Let's just get it all out of our system. 0.99
00:02:03.000 I want the most lefty guy you got.
00:02:06.000 Okay.
00:02:08.000 But yeah, briefly, let's cover a couple of things.
00:02:11.000 Please vote for Nicole tomorrow. 0.93
00:02:13.000 And there's also this, it's amazing that this is news after we lost, what, 28 dead, 26 dead?
00:02:21.000 26 are dead so far.
00:02:23.000 But some still might die, including children.
00:02:26.000 Little kids were murdered by this man.
00:02:29.000 But before we get to that, one thing I have to talk about because I can't talk about it tomorrow is, so someone finds a picture of Trump feeding fish in a koi pond in Japan, right?
00:02:40.000 Photo of Donald Trump dumping fish in the koi pond during Japan visit draws Obama comparisons.
00:02:45.000 And he's just jumping it out. 1.00
00:02:47.000 What an idiot. 1.00
00:02:49.000 You're going to kill those fish. 1.00
00:02:50.000 Guess what? 0.66
00:02:51.000 I don't care about koi fish in Japan.
00:02:55.000 I'm going to probably eat some fish today.
00:02:58.000 I'm probably going to have fish tacos.
00:02:59.000 So don't tell me.
00:03:01.000 Sorry, tonight.
00:03:02.000 Don't tell me about how crude this, what he is, he, a cad?
00:03:08.000 This gauche cad.
00:03:11.000 Go down.
00:03:12.000 You can see there's just Instagram.
00:03:13.000 They're so happy.
00:03:14.000 And by the way, one of the reasons I love this story is it shows the innate classism that the left has.
00:03:21.000 Oh, Lord.
00:03:22.000 When he was in Japan, he didn't behave the way you're supposed to behave around an aristocrat.
00:03:27.000 Remember Obama bombing till he almost bombing, bowing until he almost kissed his toes?
00:03:32.000 They like that.
00:03:33.000 But then it turns out, that's what you're supposed to do at this koi pond.
00:03:37.000 It's a big pond, okay?
00:03:38.000 They can handle the food.
00:03:40.000 So you come out, you do a few spoonfuls, and then the president, is he the president or the prime minister?
00:03:46.000 The prime minister, Abe, freeing the Japanese slaves, the prime minister dumps his whole thing out.
00:03:53.000 So Trump goes, oh, okay, I guess we're dumping the whole thing out. 0.99
00:03:56.000 But the press are such a bunch of bitches that they have to focus on something they assume was gauche. 1.00
00:04:04.000 And even that wasn't true. 0.99
00:04:07.000 But no, today we're going to spend the whole show much, much longer than usual.
00:04:12.000 We're going to talk to John Lott for about half the show because it's important we debunk all these classic myths.
00:04:17.000 But I also want to talk to Sonny Johnson.
00:04:19.000 I was listening to her on Breitbart News the other day, and she said something fascinating.
00:04:24.000 She said, one, that if someone owns a gun, if someone gets arrested for having a gun in the hood, it's possible that they are an innocent person who just wants to protect his family.
00:04:35.000 And after that person pays his dues, then he should be able to own a gun to protect his family, or at least his wife should be able to.
00:04:43.000 He can't even be in a home where there's a gun anywhere.
00:04:46.000 And she used to be against that because she said I used to follow conservative talking points.
00:04:50.000 But I talked to this dad in the hood and I said, you know what?
00:04:54.000 I've changed my mind.
00:04:55.000 So I'm impressed by that for two reasons. 0.86
00:04:58.000 One, that it's a good point, that the right can be hypocritical sometimes.
00:05:02.000 We talk about rehabilitation, yet we don't allow this guy to have a gun in the hood when he deserves it and wants to protect his family. 0.98
00:05:09.000 And we're also, by the way, encouraging fracturing the black family because she can't have a gun in the home with him, so get rid of him. 1.00
00:05:16.000 That's what we're saying. 0.94
00:05:17.000 But secondly, what I really liked about it is you don't often see journalists saying, I'm going to change my mind about something.
00:05:24.000 And that's really what intelligence is.
00:05:27.000 That's how a scientist becomes a better scientist.
00:05:29.000 He goes through hypotheses and eventually gets to the truth.
00:05:33.000 We get stuck in this rut, both right and left.
00:05:36.000 We get stuck in this myopic rut of talking points where we only believe our way and refuse to hear anything else.
00:05:43.000 And Sonny is evolving, so we'll talk to her, but then we'll get ensconced in the lotster at crime research.org and talk about all these myths, like the myth Sean King was talking about here on my hordinateur, that if it's white, we don't call it terrorism, but if it's brown, we do. 0.67
00:06:04.000 Well, if it's a random black dude, no, we don't call it terrorism if you want to get into race, but this isn't about race, it's about terrorism. 0.83
00:06:11.000 And terrorism, for the millionth time, is you are doing an act of complete carnage. 0.90
00:06:21.000 You are committing a massacre to gain some sort of coercion.
00:06:26.000 It's got some sort of political means. 0.99
00:06:29.000 So if he said, I hate Christians and all Christians are going to die and we can't have Christianity anymore. 0.99
00:06:35.000 Yes, that's terrorism. 1.00
00:06:37.000 If he's just a lunatic jerk who happens to dislike Christians because he's an atheist, that's not terrorism. 1.00
00:06:43.000 He wasn't trying to achieve an end. 1.00
00:06:46.000 In New York on the West Side Highway, he was trying to achieve an end.
00:06:51.000 He was trying to promote Islam.
00:06:53.000 And there's plenty of statements out there.
00:06:55.000 You have all these people taking ownership for it.
00:06:58.000 You have a movement.
00:06:59.000 You have a book. 0.99
00:07:00.000 Not only do you have the Quran, but you have their propaganda saying rent a truck and go kill people. 0.99
00:07:05.000 It's good for jihad. 1.00
00:07:07.000 It's good for ISIS. 1.00
00:07:09.000 That is terrorism.
00:07:10.000 A lunatic in a bad mood is not terrorism.
00:07:15.000 We'll also talk about why he had this gun, background checks, all this other stuff.
00:07:21.000 And we'll look at the fact that this is someone with a potentially illegal gun who was stopped by citizens with legal guns.
00:07:32.000 So I hate to politicize it, but we still win if you want to get political.
00:07:38.000 I saw someone on Twitter talking about politicizing the shooting.
00:07:40.000 Can you pull that up?
00:07:41.000 It's kind of funny how the left will say about the Westside Highway, this wasn't terrorism. 0.83
00:07:47.000 This was just some lunatic.
00:07:50.000 But then they'll change their mind when it's this. 0.98
00:07:52.000 And then the right will do the opposite.
00:07:55.000 The right will say, this was terrorism, but the other thing isn't.
00:08:00.000 So we're both guilty of politicization, but sometimes politicization matters.
00:08:05.000 That's the funny thing that the left doesn't seem to understand.
00:08:08.000 And I'll repeat it again. 1.00
00:08:11.000 Dylan Roof, Batman shooting, Columbine, those are mental midget lunatic drug addict psychos on crazy medication. 1.00
00:08:21.000 That's not terrorism. 0.99
00:08:22.000 When jihadists do it, it's terrorism.
00:08:25.000 You know how I know?
00:08:27.000 Because they say so.
00:08:29.000 They say this is terrorism.
00:08:30.000 They scream, Alua Akbar. 0.91
00:08:32.000 That means God is great.
00:08:34.000 That means Allah is great, not the Christian God. 1.00
00:08:37.000 So there's reasons why jihadists commit terror. 0.99
00:08:40.000 There are not reasons why lunatic white people commit terror. 0.92
00:08:45.000 But anyway, let's focus on Sonny and John and have a definitive episode that really conquers the whole concept of gun control after these massacres and why it doesn't work. 0.95
00:09:02.000 Sonny Johnson, how are you, my dear?
00:09:05.000 I'm doing good.
00:09:06.000 How are you doing, Gavin?
00:09:07.000 I'm wonderful.
00:09:09.000 You know, I listened to your show yesterday, and it was right before we heard about the shooting.
00:09:15.000 And you were talking about something that I thought was fascinating for two reasons.
00:09:21.000 But you were talking about a guy in the hood who was arrested for illegal, owning an illegal firearm.
00:09:29.000 And he did his time two and a half years.
00:09:32.000 And then when he got out, he thought, why can't I be armed now?
00:09:35.000 And it changed your views on something.
00:09:39.000 Yeah, well, just at the time, I had just got into politics.
00:09:44.000 So one of the things that I had did was, you know, latched on to those conservative talking points.
00:09:49.000 So one of those talking points is that just follow the law, just obey the law, and everything will be fine. 0.99
00:09:55.000 Well, what if the fucking law suck? 0.99
00:09:58.000 What if the law prevents you from defending yourself? 1.00
00:10:01.000 What if it prevents you from defending your family?
00:10:04.000 Because the second part about that was when you have a felon, not only is the felon not allowed to own a gun, he's not allowed to live in a house with a gun.
00:10:13.000 So therefore, everybody by extension in his family is now defenseless. 1.00
00:10:18.000 And I think that that's a stupid ass law. 0.99
00:10:20.000 So how do you tell an American citizen, just follow the law and be a law-abiding citizen when that law disarms you from the very thing that we as conservatives and Republicans are supposed to be fighting for? 1.00
00:10:34.000 And that's gun laws in this case. 0.85
00:10:37.000 Yeah, because what you're doing is you're incentivizing that woman to get him out of there. 0.86
00:10:43.000 So if he's a reformed person, we're supposed to have rehabilitated him.
00:10:46.000 That's the deal.
00:10:47.000 It's two and a half years.
00:10:48.000 You're supposed to be better now.
00:10:49.000 His only crime was holding the gun.
00:10:51.000 He never, or owning the gun, I should say.
00:10:53.000 He had no actual crime with it.
00:10:55.000 No possession of drugs, no anything else.
00:10:58.000 It was just the possession of the firearm.
00:11:01.000 And that made it a felon, and he had to serve a mandatory time.
00:11:05.000 So if she was, by the law, she should get rid of him and become a single mom because her children would be safer because she could be armed.
00:11:14.000 So we're discouraging her from having a marriage, from having a stable relationship.
00:11:21.000 Because it is a disadvantage to her to have to love her husband, to have her husband in the house.
00:11:28.000 And at the same time, you are demasculating him because not only can he not be the protection force for his family, he can't even, because of him, his wife can't even take that role.
00:11:41.000 So you have this dysfunction within a family where it goes way beyond just gun laws.
00:11:48.000 It goes into the family relationship, that bond, who defends, who leads in a household.
00:11:55.000 And if you are a conservative household where the man takes charge and the man is the first line of defense, how is this law helping you in any way, shape, form, or fashion to strengthen your marriage?
00:12:09.000 So it goes just beyond the law itself.
00:12:13.000 It goes to the dysfunction it causes within the family unit.
00:12:17.000 So it's bigger than just, you know, every time something bad happens in the world, you want to ban guns.
00:12:24.000 It is taking away a man's natural instinct to think that he is supposed to defend and protect his family.
00:12:32.000 But what if we find out, so we have a criminal, we get him on a gun charge, he does his time, he gets out, then we give him a gun again, and he's not in a relationship, he's not a family man, and he shoots someone, and the family of the victim goes, what the hell are you doing?
00:12:48.000 You gave an ex-con a gun?
00:12:50.000 He's clearly showing he's a criminal.
00:12:54.000 Well, but then again, you look at who will make that argument.
00:12:57.000 And that would be people on the right who Would make that argument.
00:13:01.000 People on the left wouldn't make that argument.
00:13:03.000 People on the left would go back into why do you want to criminalize the black? 0.98
00:13:07.000 You know, they are the ones who pass these laws.
00:13:10.000 They are the ones that put these things into place.
00:13:12.000 When the men are caught in the net of it all, then they come to the defense of them.
00:13:17.000 Republicans and conservatives are supposed to be the ones that are fighting for these protections, for these rights that are mentioned in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
00:13:25.000 But when it comes to this question, did he have a right to defend himself?
00:13:30.000 Period.
00:13:31.000 Point blank.
00:13:32.000 In case of when he pulled out the gun, was it in defense of himself?
00:13:36.000 And a lot of times we don't even ask those questions because we immediately think, oh, he was a criminal before, so he's a criminal now.
00:13:44.000 And I thought we were supposed to live in this country where forgiveness is possible.
00:13:48.000 I thought we were supposed to be these Christians that understood that.
00:13:51.000 Are there some people that are not going to be repentant?
00:13:55.000 Are there some people that are not going to do the right thing?
00:13:58.000 Hell yes.
00:13:59.000 That's why I encourage more people to own guns.
00:14:02.000 So when that person decides they want to get out of pocket, it's always one of us with a concealed carry somewhere in the perimeter to stop them.
00:14:10.000 So it is not a means to say that just because this one incident happened, that all of these other people should not get their rights back.
00:14:19.000 I refuse to believe that.
00:14:21.000 Should you have to maybe go through a process to get your rights back?
00:14:24.000 If you want to give them back their right to vote, which a lot of these Democrat precincts do, then also give them back the right to bear arms.
00:14:33.000 Give them all their rights back and let them feel like they are a part of this country or stop pretending that we are the America we claim to be.
00:14:43.000 You know, one of my favorite parts of this whole story is that you changed your mind.
00:14:47.000 We are so dead set in our ways.
00:14:49.000 Both the right and the left had this myopic obsession with the talking points.
00:14:53.000 And it's so rare to hear someone say, wow, I never thought of that before.
00:14:58.000 I officially have changed my mind.
00:15:00.000 What did you, the way you phrased it was, I might change my mind tomorrow based on what I learned today.
00:15:05.000 What I said yesterday, I may not believe tomorrow because of what I learned today.
00:15:10.000 And you have to be in a process in this world where you are willing to learn.
00:15:14.000 None of us is above it.
00:15:16.000 None of us is right on every subject. 0.99
00:15:18.000 And when I am wrong, I will admit that I am wrong because that's the only way I can grow and make sure next time that shit doesn't happen. 0.99
00:15:26.000 I'm a female. 0.99
00:15:27.000 I don't like being wrong.
00:15:28.000 So the only way I can correct that problem is that when I am, take responsibility for it, learn from it, teach myself something new, and go on and be a better person in the future. 0.99
00:15:39.000 And if more people were willing to do that, then we wouldn't have these same ugly, stupid ass conversations continuously. 0.98
00:15:46.000 We can actually move the football on some of these issues. 0.99
00:15:50.000 Yeah, I've always said you're not a real man until you change your mind about something major once a year.
00:15:54.000 And now I'm deciding you're not a real woman if you don't do that either. 0.63
00:15:58.000 We need to evolve.
00:16:00.000 That's why we have these talks.
00:16:01.000 That's why she say that.
00:16:04.000 And it also gives you a different perspective.
00:16:07.000 Like, we want to pretend that like race isn't real. 1.00
00:16:10.000 This shit is real. 1.00
00:16:11.000 I'm black. 1.00
00:16:11.000 You're white. 1.00
00:16:12.000 It's a fucking reality. 1.00
00:16:13.000 Does that make us any different or change anything about us human-wise? 0.99
00:16:18.000 But the way the identity politics is set up in this country at this moment, we have to go with that realization that this is the fucking hand we've been dealt. 0.98
00:16:18.000 No. 0.98
00:16:27.000 So let's go.
00:16:28.000 You know, let's go with that realization, work within those perimeters.
00:16:33.000 But if we do that and we can actually say, I don't know what the white people be thinking when they listen to country music, that's an honest assessment for me.
00:16:41.000 I don't understand.
00:16:42.000 I don't want to get into y'all who is better, Billy Joel or I don't like that conversation.
00:16:48.000 Can I be honest and say that?
00:16:50.000 And at the same time, you can tell me you don't like hip-hop, but you can't tell me everybody associated with it is a bad human being.
00:16:56.000 It doesn't deserve to be. 1.00
00:16:58.000 Like, get the f ⁇ out of here because I can say some of those same things about some of your white people, like those Antifa motherfuckers running around. 1.00
00:17:05.000 They don't look black to me. 1.00
00:17:07.000 So I can throw some questions out there to white people as well.
00:17:11.000 And if I judge you by Antifa, I would be wrong.
00:17:16.000 So stop judging hip-hop by just the bad things you see and the perspective that you're given.
00:17:22.000 Yeah, it all comes down to dealing with the hand you're dealt.
00:17:25.000 Sonny, thank you so much for coming on the show.
00:17:27.000 Let's have you back again soon.
00:17:29.000 Anytime, Gavin.
00:17:31.000 Bye.
00:17:35.000 John Lott, you must be a busy man today.
00:17:39.000 I've been up for a while this morning, that's for sure.
00:17:44.000 Even got to do Piers Morgan again, only this time from he's in the UK.
00:17:50.000 But it kind of brought up back memories from all the times I was on his show after the gun control push a few years ago when he was on CNN.
00:17:58.000 Well, I saw you guys were having a big fight on Twitter.
00:18:02.000 Really?
00:18:03.000 Okay, I don't know.
00:18:04.000 He never responds to the stuff on Twitter.
00:18:06.000 I guess I'll have to look to see what he had to say.
00:18:08.000 Well, he's saying what everyone's saying, which is a lot of shoulds.
00:18:13.000 And I agree with shoulds.
00:18:15.000 A psycho shouldn't have an AR-15.
00:18:19.000 The real question is when you get into the nuances of how you can prevent a should.
00:18:25.000 Right.
00:18:26.000 I mean, that's, I wish it was an easy solution to something like that.
00:18:30.000 What you find is that about half the mass public shooters during the Obama administration were actually seeing psychiatrists or psychologists before they engaged in their attacks.
00:18:44.000 And yet in not one single case did any of those mental health experts identify those individuals as either a danger to themselves or others.
00:18:53.000 In fact, there's a whole literature in academic psychology about their inability to go and identify these individuals before they engage in these attacks.
00:19:04.000 Part of the problem is just how incredibly rare these individuals are.
00:19:10.000 You know, on average, people with the mental illnesses are actually less violent than the general population, and they're also more likely to be victims of violent crime themselves.
00:19:22.000 And so, you know, you have to be a little bit careful in terms of trying to identify these individuals.
00:19:30.000 Now, what kind of gun did he have?
00:19:32.000 It was a Rutger, a Ruger AR rifle?
00:19:35.000 Correct.
00:19:36.000 And that was illegal for him to own?
00:19:40.000 Well, that's not clear.
00:19:43.000 In fact, often, as has been true for these cases, it looks like the initial media reports were wrong on it.
00:19:52.000 You know, this guy also had a job as a security guard, so it kind of raised some questions in my mind about whether or not the initial news reports were correct or not.
00:20:03.000 He wasn't dishonorably discharged from the military.
00:20:07.000 He was discharged for bad conduct, but that's not quite the same thing.
00:20:12.000 And these initial notions about him having been engaged in domestic violence, I've been reading some new media accounts which indicate that that may not be correct either.
00:20:27.000 So in any case, this individual bought a gun from a gun store.
00:20:33.000 It went through a background check.
00:20:34.000 The federal background check passed him.
00:20:37.000 If he had had a dishonorable discharge, as far as I know, those have always been accurate in the past.
00:20:43.000 The federal government links in with the military that type of information, so you would think it would have been caught.
00:20:51.000 And that's another reason why it indicated to me that maybe the initial news reports were wrong.
00:20:58.000 But even if he was dishonorably discharged, I'm dubious of the kind of parameters they have.
00:21:04.000 I've heard that you can get that for sleeping with someone on base, all kinds of other reasons. 0.95
00:21:08.000 It reminds me of these no-fly lists where it sounds reasonable, and then you find out half the people are there because they have funny names or some other stupid reason. 0.95
00:21:17.000 No, I mean, you're exactly right. 0.97
00:21:17.000 Right. 0.97
00:21:19.000 The no-fly list, the terror watch lists have morphed to be unrecognizable from what they originally intended to be.
00:21:28.000 Terror watch lists includes people simply now that the government wants to talk to.
00:21:33.000 During the Obama administration, the size of the list increased by over tenfold.
00:21:39.000 So, you know, you have real questions.
00:21:41.000 In fact, people want to have the terror watch list to go and ban people from being able to buy guns, but you look back and everybody who was on the terror watch list who bought a gun, there's not one single crime, apparently, that was committed by any of those types of individuals who bought that.
00:21:59.000 And so, you know, you got to be careful about these things.
00:22:05.000 As you say, they sound good.
00:22:06.000 And in addition, the media has made a lot about Republicans opposing Democrats push for terror watch lists to ban guns.
00:22:17.000 But in fact, the media has done a very poor job of explaining to people the debate.
00:22:21.000 The debate between the Republicans and Democrats was over what types of safeguards were there to protect people to make sure you didn't have the very types of mistakes that you were just referring to, where the Republicans wanted the government to have to go to court to show to a special judge what evidence that it had that this individual should have been included on this watch list.
00:22:46.000 And the Democrats wanting to have no review at all.
00:22:49.000 Wanted simply the bureaucrat.
00:22:51.000 You could have simply right now have one bureaucrat put somebody on the list and you're basically stuck on it then.
00:22:57.000 Right.
00:22:59.000 You know, we were talking to Sonny Johnson today about black in the hood and how, you know, someone who was caught with a firearm and did their time wants to protect his family.
00:23:10.000 Now the wife can't even have a gun in the home because he's now around a gun. 1.00
00:23:17.000 And it sounds like, once again, it's this tangled web we weave when we try to prevent these horrors.
00:23:24.000 Look, there's lots of costs to these gun control laws, and people ignore them.
00:23:30.000 And I think at real peril for the safety of a lot of the most victims in our society.
00:23:36.000 So for example, the big gun control measure that everybody keeps pushing after each of these mass public shootings, and they were pushing for it yesterday within hours before they had any idea what had happened, was these universal background checks, these background checks on private transfers.
00:23:54.000 Yet again, yesterday, it would have been irrelevant.
00:23:57.000 In fact, I can't think of one mass public shooting in the last couple decades at least that this law, had it been in effect, would have stopped.
00:24:06.000 But yet it keeps getting pushed.
00:24:08.000 And yet, it has real costs.
00:24:09.000 So, for example, in Washington, D.C., it costs $175 to privately transfer a gun because of the background checks on private transfers.
00:24:19.000 Now, there are other places in the country where it's cheaper.
00:24:22.000 In Oregon, it's $55.
00:24:26.000 But whether it's $55 or $175, that may not stop you or I from buying a gun.
00:24:32.000 But a poor person, poor black who lives in a high-crime urban area, having that type of tax, effectively, on being able to purchase a gun may make the difference between whether or not they're able to legally defend themselves and their families.
00:24:48.000 You look at the fact that virtually everybody who gets stopped by background checks is what they call a false positive.
00:24:56.000 During the campaign last year, Hillary Clinton would go and say that there's 3 million dangerous prohibited people that have been stopped from buying guns because of background checks.
00:25:06.000 Well, that's simply false.
00:25:08.000 What you should say is that there have been 3 million initial denials and that virtually all of those were false positives.
00:25:16.000 You know, it's something like 98, 99% of those were mistakes.
00:25:22.000 They had somebody simply because they had a similar name to a felon.
00:25:27.000 But stopping somebody just because they have a similar name isn't very useful.
00:25:31.000 In fact, the people who get stopped again are a lot of the most vulnerable people in our society.
00:25:37.000 People tend to have names similar to others in their racial groups.
00:25:42.000 So, for example, 40% of Vietnamese have the same last name in the United States.
00:25:47.000 Hispanics have names similar to other Hispanics.
00:25:50.000 Blacks tend to have names similar to other blacks.
00:25:53.000 30% of black males in the United States are legally prohibited from owning a gun because of past criminal Records. 0.56
00:26:00.000 Well, whose names are their names most likely to be confused with?
00:26:04.000 Other law-abiding good black males.
00:26:08.000 When you buy a gun, you fill out what's called a 4473.
00:26:12.000 You put your name down, your social security number, your height, your weight, your address, your social security number, your birthday.
00:26:20.000 You think the government's using all that information.
00:26:22.000 It's not.
00:26:23.000 What they basically use is phonetic, roughly, phonetically similar names and birthdays.
00:26:30.000 So if you have somebody whose name is John with an H or John without an H, as far as the federal government is concerned, those are the same names.
00:26:39.000 Or Smith with an I or Smith with a Y and an E, that's the same. 0.80
00:26:45.000 And so it's not too surprising that you can get millions of people over time, you know, just because you include the, you know, the birthday, you're going to get mistakes that are there.
00:26:58.000 Of course.
00:26:59.000 Okay, so we've established that background checks don't work, and that's a pipe dream.
00:27:03.000 The next big liberal argument that I'm sure you'll be dealing with all day today is why does such a gun exist?
00:27:10.000 I'm here in New York City.
00:27:11.000 I'm arguing with liberals all day, for the past 24 hours basically, and they all say, well, don't you agree that if this was just a, it wouldn't have killed as many people as.
00:27:23.000 But that's what it is, is a bang, bang, bang.
00:27:26.000 It's not a machine gun.
00:27:28.000 What people confuse, they hear the term military style.
00:27:33.000 Well, military style and military weapons are not the same thing.
00:27:38.000 Military style are essentially hunting rifles on the inside that on the outside look like military weapons.
00:27:46.000 Now, if they want to go and ban all semi-automatic hunting rifles, that at least would make logical sense.
00:27:52.000 But just to go and ban some guns, like we did with the federal assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004, based on how they look on the outside, just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
00:28:06.000 I mean, you know, you had Senator Feinstein, when she put her assault weapons bill together, they were going through and looking at catalogs of guns and checking off names of guns based on how the guns look, whether they looked like a scary military weapon, not based on whether it actually functioned like a military weapon.
00:28:28.000 The thing is, these so-called assault weapons that they try to go and ban aren't, you know, no military in the world uses weapons like that.
00:28:41.000 The militaries around the world use real machine guns, or at least guns that can have a mode of operation where they operate like a machine gun.
00:28:50.000 And there are three types of guns.
00:28:52.000 You have manually loaded guns where you fire a bullet and you have to physically put another bullet in the chamber of a gun.
00:28:59.000 You have semi-automatic guns where one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out, it reloads itself, one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out.
00:29:07.000 And then you have machine guns, which one pull the trigger, as long as the trigger is depressed, bullets will keep flying out until they run out of bullets in the gun.
00:29:17.000 Look, civilians benefit from having semi-automatic guns.
00:29:24.000 I mean, you may not, if you have two people that you're firing at or you miss it the first shot, you might not have the luxury of time to physically reload the gun after you fire it.
00:29:35.000 And so, you know, I assume Democrats still don't want to make the argument other than a few bills that you see being proposed in California and Georgia and some other places to actually go and ban all semi-automatic guns in the United States.
00:29:50.000 Most guns in the United States are semi-automatics.
00:29:59.000 That's what he asked.
00:30:00.000 So we've got...
00:30:03.000 The individual who stopped the attack also had a semi-automatic.
00:30:08.000 The legal gun that stopped the potentially illegal gun.
00:30:12.000 So you've explained away the first two there, I think, pretty clearly.
00:30:17.000 And that only leaves the, but the is very hard to come by and not part of mass shootings.
00:30:26.000 Right.
00:30:27.000 Look, we have not in this country had a machine gun used in a mass public shooting, unlike a lot of Europe.
00:30:35.000 You look at France.
00:30:38.000 All the big attacks in France have involved machine guns.
00:30:43.000 All the ones in 2015, where they piled up 532 casualties in just one year, involved machine guns.
00:30:51.000 The attacks in Belgium, the attacks in Germany, other places in Europe have involved machine guns.
00:30:58.000 And yet, you're talking about countries such as France where even semi-automatic guns are banned, let alone machine guns.
00:31:07.000 You know, the problem that you face in much of the world is that you have a much worse rate of mass public shootings than you have in the United States in terms of casualties and even in terms of rates.
00:31:18.000 We don't hear about a lot of them, but you have really bad mass public shootings in the rest of the world.
00:31:25.000 And it just illustrates, despite extremely strict gun control laws, how difficult it is, how hard it is to stop determined people from getting the weapons that they want to have to go and kill other people.
00:31:38.000 Well, the general argument from the left and especially from Europeans is America has all the guns, America has all the gun violence.
00:31:49.000 Britain, Australia, we are these bastions of gun safety and gun-free zones, and we don't have your kind of deaths, which a lot of liberals say is upwards of 170 every couple days, 90 a day, I guess that is, roughly.
00:32:07.000 But those are all gangsters with illegal handguns and suicides.
00:32:13.000 I don't think it's a given that we have less.
00:32:15.000 Is it a given that we have less gun violence than Germany, Australia, and Britain?
00:32:20.000 We have more total gun violence, okay?
00:32:24.000 There are a couple things, as you were just pointing out, that need to be emphasized.
00:32:28.000 One is the United States has a bad drug gang problem.
00:32:32.000 And if you look at murders in the United States, over half the murders in the United States take place in just 2% of the counties.
00:32:42.000 And if you look at those counties and what's called a murder map, you're going to find that the majority of murders, even in that 2% of those counties, are in like eight to 10 blocks.
00:32:54.000 Wow.
00:32:55.000 You know, you basically have very tiny areas where you have a lot of drug gang violence that occurs.
00:33:01.000 But those are also illegal guns.
00:33:03.000 Well, sure.
00:33:03.000 Right.
00:33:04.000 Well, here's the notion, and that is, look how much money we've spent trying to stop these gangs from getting illegal drugs to go and sell.
00:33:16.000 Right.
00:33:18.000 Do you think we'll be any more successful in stopping those gangs from getting guns?
00:33:24.000 I mean, if I could click my fingers right now and cause all illegal drugs in the United States to disappear and all guns to disappear, how long do you think it'd be before illegal drugs started coming back into the United States?
00:33:36.000 Minutes.
00:33:38.000 Both guns and drugs would be minutes.
00:33:40.000 Right.
00:33:41.000 And how long do you think it would be before they'd bring in the weapons to protect that very valuable property?
00:33:46.000 It's not like they can go to the police and say, look, this other gang stole our drugs.
00:33:50.000 Can you help get them back?
00:33:52.000 I testified before the Mexican Senate last December.
00:33:57.000 They've been thinking about redoing some of their gun control laws.
00:34:00.000 Right now in Mexico, there's one gun store in the entire country.
00:34:04.000 It's run by the military.
00:34:07.000 The highest caliber gun that they can sell is a .22 caliber gun.
00:34:11.000 That's about the lowest caliber there is.
00:34:13.000 There's a few examples which are lower, but that's, for all practical purposes, that's the lowest.
00:34:20.000 You know, that's not the gun that the drug gangs use in Mexico.
00:34:25.000 No.
00:34:25.000 They use machine guns.
00:34:26.000 And they're not getting their guns from the United States.
00:34:29.000 They don't go to gun stores in the United States and buy machine guns.
00:34:33.000 They have bazookas.
00:34:34.000 Well, wait a minute.
00:34:35.000 They are getting some guns from the United States.
00:34:37.000 Remember Fast and Furious?
00:34:38.000 Thanks to Obama, they were getting plenty of guns from the United States.
00:34:41.000 Right.
00:34:42.000 It's pretty small, okay?
00:34:44.000 Now, you hear, for example, that they have found 90%.
00:34:48.000 The Obama administration used this number all the time.
00:34:50.000 They'd say 90% of crime guns in Mexico came from the United States.
00:34:56.000 That's not really what the number showed.
00:34:57.000 What they looked at is Mexico, out of all the guns that they confiscated, they checked 18% to see whether they were from the United States.
00:35:08.000 And the reason why they did that is the United States is pretty much the only country that has serial numbers put on the guns.
00:35:14.000 Oh, right, yes.
00:35:15.000 And so when they find a gun with a serial number, they say, well, this is probably from the United States.
00:35:21.000 We'll send it to the United States to check to see whether it's there.
00:35:24.000 And 90% of the 80, 18% came from the United States.
00:35:31.000 But you're basically talking about 16% or so of the guns, of all the crime guns confiscated in Mexico came from the United States.
00:35:41.000 That's a relatively small portion.
00:35:45.000 It's not the machine guns and other stuff that they have a lot of trouble with in Mexico.
00:35:50.000 The drug gangs, just as they go and bring in drugs from around the world into Mexico as kind of a stopping off point before they ship them to the United States, bring in weapons from around the world in order to protect that valuable property that they have.
00:36:05.000 Okay, last question. 0.98
00:36:07.000 It's kind of a dumb one. 0.97
00:36:08.000 But pretty much every family in America, every household has a fridge, rich or poor, welfare, abject poverty, they have a fridge. 0.98
00:36:17.000 Would America be better off?
00:36:19.000 Would crime go down overall if every household in America had at least one gun?
00:36:26.000 You know, I don't know.
00:36:27.000 I mean, what I can tell you is I can look at the range of data that we have in the United States, the variation that we have.
00:36:36.000 And I think it's pretty clear that the places in the United States that have increases in gun ownership have drops in violent crime rates.
00:36:45.000 You know, I'll give you one very simple example to illustrate this, and that is you see places that try to ban guns.
00:36:52.000 We've had Washington, D.C., Chicago in the United States have tried to ban guns.
00:36:58.000 You see other places in the world.
00:37:00.000 I can't find a single place in the world that's tried to ban guns, either all guns or all handguns, and seen murder rates fall.
00:37:09.000 I can't even find a place where murder rates have stayed the same.
00:37:13.000 Every single place that's tried to ban either all guns or all handguns has seen an increase in murder rates, often very large increases that occur after that.
00:37:24.000 You think out of randomness, you'd get one place where murder rates had either stayed the same or gone down.
00:37:31.000 And there's a pretty simple reason for that.
00:37:33.000 And that is when you pass a gun control law like that, it's primarily the most honest, good citizens who obey the law, not the criminals.
00:37:42.000 And to the extent that you disarm law-abiding citizens relative to criminals, you actually make it easier for criminals to go and commit crime.
00:37:50.000 And it's not just true for banning guns.
00:37:53.000 You have to be careful that many of the different types of gun control laws that you try to push don't unintentionally disarm the most law-abiding citizens relative to the criminals.
00:38:04.000 So when you go and you have these expensive background checks, well, guess what?
00:38:09.000 It's the law-abiding citizen who goes out of their way to go and have a background check done on a private transfer of a gun.
00:38:16.000 The criminals aren't going to go out of their way to pay $175 in Washington, D.C. to go and have a transfer of a gun that's there.
00:38:25.000 And so you make it so that it's poor people, the very people who are most likely to be victims of violent crime, poor blacks who are priced out of being able to own guns to be able to go and protect themselves and their families.
00:38:40.000 You know, once again, you have the left, the liberals, the socialists hurting the people they purport to help.
00:38:46.000 The more they try to meddle, the worse off it is for the so-called victims.
00:38:51.000 Right.
00:38:52.000 Look, it'd be great if the police could be there all the time.
00:38:55.000 My research shows that the police are the single most important factor for reducing crime.
00:39:01.000 But you go and you talk to the police, you go and look at surveys of the police.
00:39:04.000 The police know, understand that they virtually always arrive on the crime scene after the crimes occur.
00:39:11.000 And the question is: what should people do when they're having to defend themselves in that situation?
00:39:17.000 And the police themselves are probably the strongest supporters of private ownership of guns in the United States because they know firsthand how important it is to have a gun to protect themselves.
00:39:30.000 And they understand how important it is for private citizens to have that same option.
00:39:36.000 John, once again, the voice of reason in all this.
00:39:39.000 And it's funny how every time there's a shooting, we basically have to get you back on the show and say very similar things because the left just, they can't get unstuck from these same arguments again and again.
00:39:49.000 Why did he have that weapon?
00:39:51.000 Why don't we have a background check?
00:39:52.000 We should have not given him the weapon. 1.00
00:39:54.000 And it's like saying, you know, that rapist shouldn't have had a penis. 1.00
00:39:57.000 I agree with you, but there's no way to do it. 0.99
00:40:00.000 Look, there are a couple things here.
00:40:02.000 One is I wish some of the media would say, look, you want to push these universal background checks?
00:40:09.000 Please point to one mass public shooting that would have been stopped as a result of this rule.
00:40:14.000 Just one.
00:40:15.000 Okay.
00:40:16.000 And they just, the media doesn't ask that.
00:40:19.000 The second thing is, I have to say, the media has become much more biased on gun issues in the last year than I've ever seen them before.
00:40:30.000 I mean, it's much harder.
00:40:31.000 I get calls from people at CNN who will go and say things like, well, what would you argue on this?
00:40:37.000 And I'm assuming that they're going to go and have me on the show.
00:40:40.000 But no, what they want to do is they just want to know what topics I would raise and how I'd raise it.
00:40:47.000 So then when they have the panel of just four people who all agree with each other, they can throw that out and say, well, you know, people on the other side will say, X, what's your response?
00:40:57.000 And they mischaracterize it, and then they have a debate over nothing.
00:41:01.000 And it just, you know, it's just as strange.
00:41:04.000 I've never really seen it quite this lopsided before in terms of the discussions.
00:41:09.000 But, you know, CNN, MSNBC, they don't even bother.
00:41:13.000 It's not three to one on a panel.
00:41:15.000 It's four to zero now that they're having in these discussions.
00:41:19.000 Right.
00:41:20.000 Well, John, good luck.
00:41:21.000 You're going to be hit with an onslaught of interviews over the next 24 hours, and I hope some logic seeps through.
00:41:28.000 Well, thanks for having me on.
00:41:29.000 I'm glad you're out there.
00:41:30.000 Cheers, John.
00:41:34.000 And that's it for a very serious show after a very serious weekend.
00:41:38.000 I wanted to congratulate Shalene Flanagan for finally bringing the New York City Marathon back to an American winner after Kenyans dominated it for, I think, since 1977. 1.00
00:41:48.000 They've got thinner air up there in the African mountains, and they tend to kick our butts. 1.00
00:41:52.000 But now we've got an American winning it back, 36-year-old, I believe.
00:41:56.000 Congratulations to her.
00:41:57.000 And one thing I wanted to clarify about this whole debate.
00:42:00.000 If this shooter, if this Texas shooter was shooting these people to promote atheism and to discourage Christianity and discourage church worship, yes, it's an example of terrorism.
00:42:12.000 I doubt it was, but that would be an example.
00:42:15.000 However, that's not indicative of a pattern.
00:42:19.000 Atheist terrorism is not a pattern.
00:42:22.000 It's not a thing we see happening.
00:42:24.000 Jihadist terrorism, Islamic terrorism, is a pattern in America and in the Western world. 0.99
00:42:30.000 And in both cases, in all cases, the gun is not the problem.
00:42:36.000 The gun is the solution. 0.75
00:42:38.000 Tomorrow we got Nick Searcy on the show and a bunch of other fun stuff.
00:42:41.000 We're going to have a good time.
00:42:43.000 And one of the ways we're going to establish a good time is to make sure that the people who aren't into fun and aren't into censorship and aren't into rules and aren't into telling us what to do and preventing us from being armed, those people are going to be invited to get off my lawn.