Kevin and Yusong talk about the mass shooting at a church in Charleston, SC, and the upcoming election. They also discuss a photo of Donald Trump feeding fish in a koi pond in Japan. And they debunk some of the most common gun myths.
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00:00:13.000From New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Kevin McGinnis.
00:01:07.000I was watching, I was on some Instagram account called Dads of the 70s or something like that.
00:01:12.000It made me pine for those times when your wife would say that you drink beer like it's oxygen and you're a pervert who doesn't get late enough as a compliment.
00:01:24.000So today is going to be a very unique episode.
00:01:28.000We're going to focus exclusively on the church massacre.
00:01:33.000There's other things I want to get to.
00:01:35.000I wanted to talk about the election here in New York that's going down tomorrow.
00:01:40.000The odds are very, very, it's slightly possible that Nicole Moulitakis could win and change the city forever.
00:02:23.000But some still might die, including children.
00:02:26.000Little kids were murdered by this man.
00:02:29.000But before we get to that, one thing I have to talk about because I can't talk about it tomorrow is, so someone finds a picture of Trump feeding fish in a koi pond in Japan, right?
00:02:40.000Photo of Donald Trump dumping fish in the koi pond during Japan visit draws Obama comparisons.
00:04:07.000But no, today we're going to spend the whole show much, much longer than usual.
00:04:12.000We're going to talk to John Lott for about half the show because it's important we debunk all these classic myths.
00:04:17.000But I also want to talk to Sonny Johnson.
00:04:19.000I was listening to her on Breitbart News the other day, and she said something fascinating.
00:04:24.000She said, one, that if someone owns a gun, if someone gets arrested for having a gun in the hood, it's possible that they are an innocent person who just wants to protect his family.
00:04:35.000And after that person pays his dues, then he should be able to own a gun to protect his family, or at least his wife should be able to.
00:04:43.000He can't even be in a home where there's a gun anywhere.
00:04:46.000And she used to be against that because she said I used to follow conservative talking points.
00:04:50.000But I talked to this dad in the hood and I said, you know what?
00:05:17.000But secondly, what I really liked about it is you don't often see journalists saying, I'm going to change my mind about something.
00:05:24.000And that's really what intelligence is.
00:05:27.000That's how a scientist becomes a better scientist.
00:05:29.000He goes through hypotheses and eventually gets to the truth.
00:05:33.000We get stuck in this rut, both right and left.
00:05:36.000We get stuck in this myopic rut of talking points where we only believe our way and refuse to hear anything else.
00:05:43.000And Sonny is evolving, so we'll talk to her, but then we'll get ensconced in the lotster at crime research.org and talk about all these myths, like the myth Sean King was talking about here on my hordinateur, that if it's white, we don't call it terrorism, but if it's brown, we do.
00:06:04.000Well, if it's a random black dude, no, we don't call it terrorism if you want to get into race, but this isn't about race, it's about terrorism.
00:06:11.000And terrorism, for the millionth time, is you are doing an act of complete carnage.
00:06:21.000You are committing a massacre to gain some sort of coercion.
00:06:26.000It's got some sort of political means.
00:06:29.000So if he said, I hate Christians and all Christians are going to die and we can't have Christianity anymore.
00:08:40.000There are not reasons why lunatic white people commit terror.
00:08:45.000But anyway, let's focus on Sonny and John and have a definitive episode that really conquers the whole concept of gun control after these massacres and why it doesn't work.
00:09:58.000What if the law prevents you from defending yourself?
00:10:01.000What if it prevents you from defending your family?
00:10:04.000Because the second part about that was when you have a felon, not only is the felon not allowed to own a gun, he's not allowed to live in a house with a gun.
00:10:13.000So therefore, everybody by extension in his family is now defenseless.
00:10:18.000And I think that that's a stupid ass law.
00:10:20.000So how do you tell an American citizen, just follow the law and be a law-abiding citizen when that law disarms you from the very thing that we as conservatives and Republicans are supposed to be fighting for?
00:10:55.000No possession of drugs, no anything else.
00:10:58.000It was just the possession of the firearm.
00:11:01.000And that made it a felon, and he had to serve a mandatory time.
00:11:05.000So if she was, by the law, she should get rid of him and become a single mom because her children would be safer because she could be armed.
00:11:14.000So we're discouraging her from having a marriage, from having a stable relationship.
00:11:21.000Because it is a disadvantage to her to have to love her husband, to have her husband in the house.
00:11:28.000And at the same time, you are demasculating him because not only can he not be the protection force for his family, he can't even, because of him, his wife can't even take that role.
00:11:41.000So you have this dysfunction within a family where it goes way beyond just gun laws.
00:11:48.000It goes into the family relationship, that bond, who defends, who leads in a household.
00:11:55.000And if you are a conservative household where the man takes charge and the man is the first line of defense, how is this law helping you in any way, shape, form, or fashion to strengthen your marriage?
00:12:09.000So it goes just beyond the law itself.
00:12:13.000It goes to the dysfunction it causes within the family unit.
00:12:17.000So it's bigger than just, you know, every time something bad happens in the world, you want to ban guns.
00:12:24.000It is taking away a man's natural instinct to think that he is supposed to defend and protect his family.
00:12:32.000But what if we find out, so we have a criminal, we get him on a gun charge, he does his time, he gets out, then we give him a gun again, and he's not in a relationship, he's not a family man, and he shoots someone, and the family of the victim goes, what the hell are you doing?
00:12:54.000Well, but then again, you look at who will make that argument.
00:12:57.000And that would be people on the right who Would make that argument.
00:13:01.000People on the left wouldn't make that argument.
00:13:03.000People on the left would go back into why do you want to criminalize the black?
00:13:07.000You know, they are the ones who pass these laws.
00:13:10.000They are the ones that put these things into place.
00:13:12.000When the men are caught in the net of it all, then they come to the defense of them.
00:13:17.000Republicans and conservatives are supposed to be the ones that are fighting for these protections, for these rights that are mentioned in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
00:13:25.000But when it comes to this question, did he have a right to defend himself?
00:13:59.000That's why I encourage more people to own guns.
00:14:02.000So when that person decides they want to get out of pocket, it's always one of us with a concealed carry somewhere in the perimeter to stop them.
00:14:10.000So it is not a means to say that just because this one incident happened, that all of these other people should not get their rights back.
00:14:21.000Should you have to maybe go through a process to get your rights back?
00:14:24.000If you want to give them back their right to vote, which a lot of these Democrat precincts do, then also give them back the right to bear arms.
00:14:33.000Give them all their rights back and let them feel like they are a part of this country or stop pretending that we are the America we claim to be.
00:14:43.000You know, one of my favorite parts of this whole story is that you changed your mind.
00:15:28.000So the only way I can correct that problem is that when I am, take responsibility for it, learn from it, teach myself something new, and go on and be a better person in the future.
00:15:39.000And if more people were willing to do that, then we wouldn't have these same ugly, stupid ass conversations continuously.
00:15:46.000We can actually move the football on some of these issues.
00:15:50.000Yeah, I've always said you're not a real man until you change your mind about something major once a year.
00:15:54.000And now I'm deciding you're not a real woman if you don't do that either.
00:16:13.000Does that make us any different or change anything about us human-wise?
00:16:18.000But the way the identity politics is set up in this country at this moment, we have to go with that realization that this is the fucking hand we've been dealt.
00:16:28.000You know, let's go with that realization, work within those perimeters.
00:16:33.000But if we do that and we can actually say, I don't know what the white people be thinking when they listen to country music, that's an honest assessment for me.
00:16:58.000Like, get the f ⁇ out of here because I can say some of those same things about some of your white people, like those Antifa motherfuckers running around.
00:17:35.000John Lott, you must be a busy man today.
00:17:39.000I've been up for a while this morning, that's for sure.
00:17:44.000Even got to do Piers Morgan again, only this time from he's in the UK.
00:17:50.000But it kind of brought up back memories from all the times I was on his show after the gun control push a few years ago when he was on CNN.
00:17:58.000Well, I saw you guys were having a big fight on Twitter.
00:18:26.000I mean, that's, I wish it was an easy solution to something like that.
00:18:30.000What you find is that about half the mass public shooters during the Obama administration were actually seeing psychiatrists or psychologists before they engaged in their attacks.
00:18:44.000And yet in not one single case did any of those mental health experts identify those individuals as either a danger to themselves or others.
00:18:53.000In fact, there's a whole literature in academic psychology about their inability to go and identify these individuals before they engage in these attacks.
00:19:04.000Part of the problem is just how incredibly rare these individuals are.
00:19:10.000You know, on average, people with the mental illnesses are actually less violent than the general population, and they're also more likely to be victims of violent crime themselves.
00:19:22.000And so, you know, you have to be a little bit careful in terms of trying to identify these individuals.
00:19:43.000In fact, often, as has been true for these cases, it looks like the initial media reports were wrong on it.
00:19:52.000You know, this guy also had a job as a security guard, so it kind of raised some questions in my mind about whether or not the initial news reports were correct or not.
00:20:03.000He wasn't dishonorably discharged from the military.
00:20:07.000He was discharged for bad conduct, but that's not quite the same thing.
00:20:12.000And these initial notions about him having been engaged in domestic violence, I've been reading some new media accounts which indicate that that may not be correct either.
00:20:27.000So in any case, this individual bought a gun from a gun store.
00:20:34.000The federal background check passed him.
00:20:37.000If he had had a dishonorable discharge, as far as I know, those have always been accurate in the past.
00:20:43.000The federal government links in with the military that type of information, so you would think it would have been caught.
00:20:51.000And that's another reason why it indicated to me that maybe the initial news reports were wrong.
00:20:58.000But even if he was dishonorably discharged, I'm dubious of the kind of parameters they have.
00:21:04.000I've heard that you can get that for sleeping with someone on base, all kinds of other reasons.
00:21:08.000It reminds me of these no-fly lists where it sounds reasonable, and then you find out half the people are there because they have funny names or some other stupid reason.
00:21:19.000The no-fly list, the terror watch lists have morphed to be unrecognizable from what they originally intended to be.
00:21:28.000Terror watch lists includes people simply now that the government wants to talk to.
00:21:33.000During the Obama administration, the size of the list increased by over tenfold.
00:21:39.000So, you know, you have real questions.
00:21:41.000In fact, people want to have the terror watch list to go and ban people from being able to buy guns, but you look back and everybody who was on the terror watch list who bought a gun, there's not one single crime, apparently, that was committed by any of those types of individuals who bought that.
00:21:59.000And so, you know, you got to be careful about these things.
00:22:06.000And in addition, the media has made a lot about Republicans opposing Democrats push for terror watch lists to ban guns.
00:22:17.000But in fact, the media has done a very poor job of explaining to people the debate.
00:22:21.000The debate between the Republicans and Democrats was over what types of safeguards were there to protect people to make sure you didn't have the very types of mistakes that you were just referring to, where the Republicans wanted the government to have to go to court to show to a special judge what evidence that it had that this individual should have been included on this watch list.
00:22:46.000And the Democrats wanting to have no review at all.
00:22:59.000You know, we were talking to Sonny Johnson today about black in the hood and how, you know, someone who was caught with a firearm and did their time wants to protect his family.
00:23:10.000Now the wife can't even have a gun in the home because he's now around a gun.
00:23:17.000And it sounds like, once again, it's this tangled web we weave when we try to prevent these horrors.
00:23:24.000Look, there's lots of costs to these gun control laws, and people ignore them.
00:23:30.000And I think at real peril for the safety of a lot of the most victims in our society.
00:23:36.000So for example, the big gun control measure that everybody keeps pushing after each of these mass public shootings, and they were pushing for it yesterday within hours before they had any idea what had happened, was these universal background checks, these background checks on private transfers.
00:23:54.000Yet again, yesterday, it would have been irrelevant.
00:23:57.000In fact, I can't think of one mass public shooting in the last couple decades at least that this law, had it been in effect, would have stopped.
00:24:26.000But whether it's $55 or $175, that may not stop you or I from buying a gun.
00:24:32.000But a poor person, poor black who lives in a high-crime urban area, having that type of tax, effectively, on being able to purchase a gun may make the difference between whether or not they're able to legally defend themselves and their families.
00:24:48.000You look at the fact that virtually everybody who gets stopped by background checks is what they call a false positive.
00:24:56.000During the campaign last year, Hillary Clinton would go and say that there's 3 million dangerous prohibited people that have been stopped from buying guns because of background checks.
00:26:23.000What they basically use is phonetic, roughly, phonetically similar names and birthdays.
00:26:30.000So if you have somebody whose name is John with an H or John without an H, as far as the federal government is concerned, those are the same names.
00:26:39.000Or Smith with an I or Smith with a Y and an E, that's the same.
00:26:45.000And so it's not too surprising that you can get millions of people over time, you know, just because you include the, you know, the birthday, you're going to get mistakes that are there.
00:27:11.000I'm arguing with liberals all day, for the past 24 hours basically, and they all say, well, don't you agree that if this was just a, it wouldn't have killed as many people as.
00:27:23.000But that's what it is, is a bang, bang, bang.
00:27:28.000What people confuse, they hear the term military style.
00:27:33.000Well, military style and military weapons are not the same thing.
00:27:38.000Military style are essentially hunting rifles on the inside that on the outside look like military weapons.
00:27:46.000Now, if they want to go and ban all semi-automatic hunting rifles, that at least would make logical sense.
00:27:52.000But just to go and ban some guns, like we did with the federal assault weapons ban from 1994 to 2004, based on how they look on the outside, just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
00:28:06.000I mean, you know, you had Senator Feinstein, when she put her assault weapons bill together, they were going through and looking at catalogs of guns and checking off names of guns based on how the guns look, whether they looked like a scary military weapon, not based on whether it actually functioned like a military weapon.
00:28:28.000The thing is, these so-called assault weapons that they try to go and ban aren't, you know, no military in the world uses weapons like that.
00:28:41.000The militaries around the world use real machine guns, or at least guns that can have a mode of operation where they operate like a machine gun.
00:28:52.000You have manually loaded guns where you fire a bullet and you have to physically put another bullet in the chamber of a gun.
00:28:59.000You have semi-automatic guns where one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out, it reloads itself, one pull the trigger, one bullet comes out.
00:29:07.000And then you have machine guns, which one pull the trigger, as long as the trigger is depressed, bullets will keep flying out until they run out of bullets in the gun.
00:29:17.000Look, civilians benefit from having semi-automatic guns.
00:29:24.000I mean, you may not, if you have two people that you're firing at or you miss it the first shot, you might not have the luxury of time to physically reload the gun after you fire it.
00:29:35.000And so, you know, I assume Democrats still don't want to make the argument other than a few bills that you see being proposed in California and Georgia and some other places to actually go and ban all semi-automatic guns in the United States.
00:29:50.000Most guns in the United States are semi-automatics.
00:30:38.000All the big attacks in France have involved machine guns.
00:30:43.000All the ones in 2015, where they piled up 532 casualties in just one year, involved machine guns.
00:30:51.000The attacks in Belgium, the attacks in Germany, other places in Europe have involved machine guns.
00:30:58.000And yet, you're talking about countries such as France where even semi-automatic guns are banned, let alone machine guns.
00:31:07.000You know, the problem that you face in much of the world is that you have a much worse rate of mass public shootings than you have in the United States in terms of casualties and even in terms of rates.
00:31:18.000We don't hear about a lot of them, but you have really bad mass public shootings in the rest of the world.
00:31:25.000And it just illustrates, despite extremely strict gun control laws, how difficult it is, how hard it is to stop determined people from getting the weapons that they want to have to go and kill other people.
00:31:38.000Well, the general argument from the left and especially from Europeans is America has all the guns, America has all the gun violence.
00:31:49.000Britain, Australia, we are these bastions of gun safety and gun-free zones, and we don't have your kind of deaths, which a lot of liberals say is upwards of 170 every couple days, 90 a day, I guess that is, roughly.
00:32:07.000But those are all gangsters with illegal handguns and suicides.
00:32:13.000I don't think it's a given that we have less.
00:32:15.000Is it a given that we have less gun violence than Germany, Australia, and Britain?
00:32:20.000We have more total gun violence, okay?
00:32:24.000There are a couple things, as you were just pointing out, that need to be emphasized.
00:32:28.000One is the United States has a bad drug gang problem.
00:32:32.000And if you look at murders in the United States, over half the murders in the United States take place in just 2% of the counties.
00:32:42.000And if you look at those counties and what's called a murder map, you're going to find that the majority of murders, even in that 2% of those counties, are in like eight to 10 blocks.
00:33:04.000Well, here's the notion, and that is, look how much money we've spent trying to stop these gangs from getting illegal drugs to go and sell.
00:33:18.000Do you think we'll be any more successful in stopping those gangs from getting guns?
00:33:24.000I mean, if I could click my fingers right now and cause all illegal drugs in the United States to disappear and all guns to disappear, how long do you think it'd be before illegal drugs started coming back into the United States?
00:34:44.000Now, you hear, for example, that they have found 90%.
00:34:48.000The Obama administration used this number all the time.
00:34:50.000They'd say 90% of crime guns in Mexico came from the United States.
00:34:56.000That's not really what the number showed.
00:34:57.000What they looked at is Mexico, out of all the guns that they confiscated, they checked 18% to see whether they were from the United States.
00:35:08.000And the reason why they did that is the United States is pretty much the only country that has serial numbers put on the guns.
00:35:45.000It's not the machine guns and other stuff that they have a lot of trouble with in Mexico.
00:35:50.000The drug gangs, just as they go and bring in drugs from around the world into Mexico as kind of a stopping off point before they ship them to the United States, bring in weapons from around the world in order to protect that valuable property that they have.
00:37:00.000I can't find a single place in the world that's tried to ban guns, either all guns or all handguns, and seen murder rates fall.
00:37:09.000I can't even find a place where murder rates have stayed the same.
00:37:13.000Every single place that's tried to ban either all guns or all handguns has seen an increase in murder rates, often very large increases that occur after that.
00:37:24.000You think out of randomness, you'd get one place where murder rates had either stayed the same or gone down.
00:37:31.000And there's a pretty simple reason for that.
00:37:33.000And that is when you pass a gun control law like that, it's primarily the most honest, good citizens who obey the law, not the criminals.
00:37:42.000And to the extent that you disarm law-abiding citizens relative to criminals, you actually make it easier for criminals to go and commit crime.
00:37:50.000And it's not just true for banning guns.
00:37:53.000You have to be careful that many of the different types of gun control laws that you try to push don't unintentionally disarm the most law-abiding citizens relative to the criminals.
00:38:04.000So when you go and you have these expensive background checks, well, guess what?
00:38:09.000It's the law-abiding citizen who goes out of their way to go and have a background check done on a private transfer of a gun.
00:38:16.000The criminals aren't going to go out of their way to pay $175 in Washington, D.C. to go and have a transfer of a gun that's there.
00:38:25.000And so you make it so that it's poor people, the very people who are most likely to be victims of violent crime, poor blacks who are priced out of being able to own guns to be able to go and protect themselves and their families.
00:38:40.000You know, once again, you have the left, the liberals, the socialists hurting the people they purport to help.
00:38:46.000The more they try to meddle, the worse off it is for the so-called victims.
00:38:52.000Look, it'd be great if the police could be there all the time.
00:38:55.000My research shows that the police are the single most important factor for reducing crime.
00:39:01.000But you go and you talk to the police, you go and look at surveys of the police.
00:39:04.000The police know, understand that they virtually always arrive on the crime scene after the crimes occur.
00:39:11.000And the question is: what should people do when they're having to defend themselves in that situation?
00:39:17.000And the police themselves are probably the strongest supporters of private ownership of guns in the United States because they know firsthand how important it is to have a gun to protect themselves.
00:39:30.000And they understand how important it is for private citizens to have that same option.
00:39:36.000John, once again, the voice of reason in all this.
00:39:39.000And it's funny how every time there's a shooting, we basically have to get you back on the show and say very similar things because the left just, they can't get unstuck from these same arguments again and again.
00:40:31.000I get calls from people at CNN who will go and say things like, well, what would you argue on this?
00:40:37.000And I'm assuming that they're going to go and have me on the show.
00:40:40.000But no, what they want to do is they just want to know what topics I would raise and how I'd raise it.
00:40:47.000So then when they have the panel of just four people who all agree with each other, they can throw that out and say, well, you know, people on the other side will say, X, what's your response?
00:40:57.000And they mischaracterize it, and then they have a debate over nothing.
00:41:01.000And it just, you know, it's just as strange.
00:41:04.000I've never really seen it quite this lopsided before in terms of the discussions.
00:41:09.000But, you know, CNN, MSNBC, they don't even bother.
00:41:34.000And that's it for a very serious show after a very serious weekend.
00:41:38.000I wanted to congratulate Shalene Flanagan for finally bringing the New York City Marathon back to an American winner after Kenyans dominated it for, I think, since 1977.
00:41:48.000They've got thinner air up there in the African mountains, and they tend to kick our butts.
00:41:52.000But now we've got an American winning it back, 36-year-old, I believe.
00:41:57.000And one thing I wanted to clarify about this whole debate.
00:42:00.000If this shooter, if this Texas shooter was shooting these people to promote atheism and to discourage Christianity and discourage church worship, yes, it's an example of terrorism.
00:42:12.000I doubt it was, but that would be an example.
00:42:15.000However, that's not indicative of a pattern.
00:42:43.000And one of the ways we're going to establish a good time is to make sure that the people who aren't into fun and aren't into censorship and aren't into rules and aren't into telling us what to do and preventing us from being armed, those people are going to be invited to get off my lawn.