Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - November 23, 2017


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Gavin McInnes is joined by bassist stickman to talk about a variety of topics, including the latest in the Roy Moore and Al Franken scandals, and a woman who used to be a man who is now a woman.

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00:00:11.000 Oh, live from New York.
00:00:15.000 It's Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McInnes.
00:00:21.000 Set an open course for the fire to see'Cause I...
00:00:33.000 I know you wanted to wait for the money shot of the but it takes too long.
00:00:41.000 But don't worry, you'll get it, and it'll be in a fun way.
00:00:44.000 It'll be bass stickman bringing you the beats today.
00:00:47.000 We've got bass stickman on the show.
00:00:49.000 Just checking in with him.
00:00:51.000 I haven't talked to him in a while.
00:00:52.000 He's going to prison for hitting someone with a stick and being bassed.
00:00:57.000 You'll notice that when people hit us with sticks, they seem to do fine.
00:01:02.000 But when we fight back, no.
00:01:04.000 No, no, no, no, no.
00:01:06.000 Don't you dare punch back.
00:01:08.000 We punch Nazis, and anyone who likes Trump is a Nazi, so we punch 50% of the country.
00:01:15.000 Nice plan, guys.
00:01:16.000 Hope it lasts.
00:01:17.000 But yeah, come sail away was that jam.
00:01:20.000 That would stick.
00:01:21.000 These guys from Chicago.
00:01:23.000 Two twins, I think.
00:01:26.000 Two other brothers and their neighbor.
00:01:27.000 Used to tool around when they were 14.
00:01:30.000 One of them went to seminary school, and then he said, I want to keep playing that music.
00:01:34.000 And they did a weird operatic sort of high-pitched songs.
00:01:39.000 And then they did a synthesizer.
00:01:41.000 The neighbor, it was two brothers and a neighbor, and the neighbor was really into keyboards.
00:01:44.000 So keyboards were an integral part of their stuff.
00:01:47.000 And in the 70s and 80s, it went into synth rock.
00:01:50.000 And ol renarrigato, Mr. Robato, Domo, Domo.
00:01:55.000 A lot of people hate that stuff.
00:01:56.000 A lot of people call it dinosaur rock and say it begat punk.
00:01:59.000 I don't know.
00:02:00.000 I shunned it for so long.
00:02:02.000 All mainstream sort of rock, I shunned.
00:02:05.000 And then I became an old man and went, I'm going to check out this Bruce Springsteen character.
00:02:11.000 And listen to it.
00:02:12.000 And I went, this is good.
00:02:14.000 Rosalita, come sit by my fire.
00:02:16.000 I'm with the Perv.
00:02:20.000 Roy Moore, from what little I've heard about it, sounds like he just liked young girls.
00:02:27.000 Anthony Cumia likes young girls.
00:02:28.000 My friend Peter Brimelow, his daughter's 40 years younger than him, you know, as long as it's legal, it's none of my beeswax.
00:02:37.000 They're calling him a pedophile.
00:02:39.000 And you know what?
00:02:39.000 Yeah.
00:02:40.000 To be totally frank, I like seeing Al Franken get fried, but it doesn't look like he did anything that bad.
00:02:47.000 I enjoy seeing the left be exposed as the disgusting reprobates they are. 0.99
00:02:52.000 But I also don't want this to kill sexuality and joking and being a normal guy.
00:02:58.000 I feel like there's going to be a lot of collateral damage on this war.
00:03:04.000 But I still want to be crystal clear here.
00:03:06.000 If you did something illegal, you go to the cops, you go to jail, you get arrested.
00:03:11.000 Touching a woman against her will is assault.
00:03:14.000 And those guys need to be punished.
00:03:16.000 But today on the show, we're going to talk to a woman who used to be a man. 0.99
00:03:21.000 Her name is Alyssa.
00:03:23.000 I'm not going to give her a full name because she has a lot of porn out there. 1.00
00:03:27.000 And I don't want to be responsible for you bumping into that.
00:03:30.000 So we'll just use first names with her.
00:03:33.000 And she used to be in the military, used to be out there ready to die for a country. 0.99
00:03:39.000 And then he came back and said, I'm a chick now.
00:03:41.000 And now he's growing breasts and posing nude. 0.70
00:03:45.000 And he's still married to his wife, and he has two kids.
00:03:48.000 And as you'll see on the show, he just looks like a tomboy.
00:03:51.000 And I'm going to ask him, why bother?
00:03:54.000 I mean, I understand if you're like, I'm a lady and I need big breasts and just chop everything off. 1.00
00:03:59.000 Okay, well, you really are committed.
00:04:00.000 But if they're just like, nah, I'm kind of a chick, kind of a tomboy, well, he's kind of.
00:04:06.000 We agree with everything politically, so it's going to be fun talking to him.
00:04:09.000 And also, Ron Coleman, buddy of mine, lawyer, he's been fighting for the past six years for a rock band called the Slants, I almost said the Slopes, for the Slants to be able to trademark their name.
00:04:24.000 And the Redskins have been helping them out with this because they realize how important it is to trademark a word that someone has recently deemed offensive.
00:04:31.000 Clearly, the Slants are just kidding, but that doesn't matter. 0.99
00:04:33.000 You can have the worst racial epithet on earth.
00:04:36.000 And it should be trademarked.
00:04:37.000 That's what this country's law states.
00:04:39.000 So they finally got it passed just a few days ago after six years of fighting.
00:04:44.000 So we'll talk to all three of those dudes.
00:04:47.000 And that's going to leave us with zero time for anything else.
00:04:53.000 All right, so the Slants are a band, four Asian dudes, and they're rocking away, playing their music, and they go, we would like to trademark our name.
00:05:05.000 We don't want anyone to steal.
00:05:06.000 We're about to make t-shirts and everything.
00:05:08.000 Asians like us.
00:05:09.000 Some Asians hate us because they think we're racist because that's the world we're living in.
00:05:14.000 And they go to trademark their name, and the answer is no.
00:05:18.000 You can't trademark that name because it's a racial slur.
00:05:21.000 And they go, that's not in the books.
00:05:23.000 I can trademark anything I want as long as I'm using it.
00:05:27.000 As long as I can prove that I didn't just say I want to trademark this, as long as I can show experience with it.
00:05:33.000 And they said, well, sorry, the answer is no.
00:05:36.000 And this guy, the singer, I believe, Tam, Simon Tam, yeah, the guy with the vest there, he says, no, we're fighting this.
00:05:47.000 And he accrues an army.
00:05:50.000 The Redskins, yes, the football team gets on board.
00:05:54.000 And I don't know, I'm going to say like a dozen lawyers, putting in hundreds of hours.
00:05:59.000 It takes six years of them battling, going to court.
00:06:04.000 Most of the lawyers did everything pro bono, and that would have cost millions, I'm going to say.
00:06:09.000 The Redskins spent millions on this case.
00:06:12.000 And eventually they won.
00:06:15.000 They won.
00:06:15.000 And I love this case because it's so easy to say, oh, fine, we'll change the name.
00:06:20.000 But someone stood up for themselves and said, no, you're not going to tell me what jokes I can or can't make or what I'm going to trademark in my country.
00:06:30.000 So let's talk to one of the lawyers involved in all this, Mr. Ron Coleman.
00:06:35.000 Ron Coleman is on the show.
00:06:37.000 How are you, sir?
00:06:38.000 Pretty good, thanks.
00:06:39.000 And you?
00:06:40.000 I am fantastic.
00:06:42.000 I notice you're not wearing your yarmulke.
00:06:44.000 Well, it's always handy.
00:06:46.000 I need to make a benediction before eating, after eating, after using the bathroom.
00:06:51.000 But it's not part of my MO or my public image as an attorney.
00:06:58.000 Different people do different things.
00:07:00.000 There are different sort of generational things within the Orthodox community about the way people do that.
00:07:05.000 But when you do litigation as I do, you go in front of judges, you go in front of juries, you go in front of adversaries.
00:07:12.000 It's a little bit complicated.
00:07:13.000 There are many opinions on the matter.
00:07:15.000 That's how I've come out over the years.
00:07:17.000 Now, most people would just say, what is Gavin talking about?
00:07:20.000 That's just a Jewish hat that they wear.
00:07:22.000 But you actually have said some, you've written some great essays about it.
00:07:26.000 But that's not what you're known for.
00:07:28.000 No, no.
00:07:29.000 Well, some actually, it's interesting that you point that out.
00:07:33.000 I was once known for that.
00:07:34.000 But these days, people tend to be talking more about this Lance case, which was the first amendment case that we went to the Supreme Court on in January, and which resulted in June in a ruling that the Lanham Act, which is the trademark statute, was unconstitutional to the extent that it prohibited registration of trademarks that disparaged people.
00:07:57.000 So that's no longer the law.
00:07:58.000 I want to make something crystal clear here.
00:08:00.000 When you say the slants case, you're talking about the name of the band.
00:08:04.000 You're not using a racial epithet there, right?
00:08:06.000 Well, some people think I am.
00:08:08.000 But it's capital S when you say it.
00:08:10.000 You don't mean that thing I did with those slants. 1.00
00:08:13.000 No, I would never use words like that.
00:08:17.000 Those are not nice words, although that's a fairly obscure expression.
00:08:23.000 Some people, on the other hand, were very offended by it.
00:08:26.000 But the Supreme Court says you are absolutely entitled to be offended by it.
00:08:30.000 You just can't tell the government to prevent other people or yourself from being offended by its registration as a trademark, because trademarks are not allowed to be granted or denied based on viewpoint.
00:08:43.000 Good news for the Washington Redskins.
00:08:45.000 Yes, yes.
00:08:46.000 Well, this doesn't apply to the Washington Redskins, but I was going to say the problem with sort of censorship and fascism in general is you don't get the philosophical nuance of a lot of these words, like slant and slope and rice ball.
00:08:59.000 Those words are so antiquated that they're a parody, really, of racism.
00:09:05.000 I think they're funny.
00:09:07.000 Well, exactly.
00:09:08.000 I mean, Heb magazine was one of the many people who have been affected by this.
00:09:14.000 They had a trademark registration that was granted to them years ago.
00:09:18.000 Then they went back for another one to cover different goods and services.
00:09:24.000 And this time around, before our case, they were told, no, you can't do that.
00:09:28.000 It's offensive.
00:09:29.000 Heb is a really old-fashioned word for something.
00:09:34.000 Right.
00:09:38.000 There's always a new word for Jews.
00:09:42.000 The hatred that keeps on giving.
00:09:44.000 So I think part of the reason the Jewish hipsters of Heb magazine chose Heb was precisely because it's so antique that its status as a parody, or in this case, what they call reappropriation, is pretty obvious.
00:10:03.000 Right.
00:10:04.000 Well, it's sort of like when you say something's gay.
00:10:06.000 You're not saying, I don't like this thing because it is a homosexual. 0.97
00:10:09.000 You're sort of making fun of the way you talked when you're in eighth grade.
00:10:12.000 However, Ron, is there a limit to this?
00:10:17.000 Could you call a store?
00:10:22.000 You know the word I'm indicating.
00:10:24.000 I can't say it.
00:10:25.000 The N-word.
00:10:25.000 Yes.
00:10:26.000 Yeah, the N-shop.
00:10:28.000 Answer, you could call it that now.
00:10:31.000 You could call it that now, but you're going to get a brick through the window the second that sign goes up.
00:10:36.000 And that's the way it's always been.
00:10:37.000 That's the way it's always going to be.
00:10:39.000 The market, social pressures, commercial pressures, personal relationships are what prevents us from jumping over those lines or stops us from jumping over those lines.
00:10:50.000 Whether or not you have established trademark rights in that word are inevitably going to depend on how those forces affect your use, because you don't get a trademark unless you use the mark.
00:11:03.000 You have to show use of the mark in commerce.
00:11:05.000 And if you show use of the mark in interstate commerce, which is essentially the same thing, because as we know, lunch counters located hundreds of miles away from any state border are considered to be interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause because of the civil rights decisions of the 1950s.
00:11:24.000 So be that as it may, you still have to use the mark to get the registration.
00:11:28.000 If you can get away with using that mark, that's not the PTO's problem.
00:11:33.000 That's a problem in your neighborhood.
00:11:37.000 Okay, so people can tolerate having a school like that.
00:11:40.000 You can name a band any offensive word you want and have it trademarked.
00:11:47.000 Oh, and have a trademark.
00:11:48.000 Thanks for adding.
00:11:48.000 Yeah, you can actually have the trademark registered.
00:11:51.000 Yes.
00:11:52.000 I mean, having a trademark and having a trademark registration are not identical, but for purposes of this conversation, right, we're talking about where the government gives you a registration, which enhances your ability to protect a trademark.
00:12:02.000 Thanks to me, thanks to the team that I worked with, my partners at Archer, of course my client who kept schlepping along with us through this process, and of course the UCLA Supreme Court clinic, Stuart Banner and Eugene Vola, who helped us with a brief would be a mild understatement, and all the people who helped us practice and get this right, the Heritage Foundation, the Chamber of Commerce, Washington Redskins.
00:12:31.000 The Washington Redskins helped.
00:12:33.000 They helped.
00:12:34.000 They helped.
00:12:34.000 Not every single moment with them was tension-free, but they knew that this was the case that was going to preserve their trademark rights.
00:12:43.000 So once they got on board, and they were tremendously helpful.
00:12:48.000 You know, it's incredible.
00:12:49.000 George Orwell said, within every joke is a tiny revolution.
00:12:52.000 And it's amazing how these Asian kids want to make a joke that parodies racism, and it takes an army of lawyers and money and paperwork for them to have that right in America. 0.98
00:13:04.000 Well, that's a fantastic point.
00:13:06.000 If it weren't for the fact that the ACLU and we and UCLA did this work pro bono, we would not have reached this result, or it would have been a much rockier process because the only trademark I'm aware of that is adequate, that was funded well enough to take this all the way to the Supreme Court, well, no, there are a lot, but the Redskins spent millions of dollars on this.
00:13:32.000 As a general rule, if you don't have the ability to fund legal services for non-criminal matters, you lose.
00:13:41.000 It doesn't really matter what side the law is on.
00:13:46.000 Essentially, it's a practical matter under the American rule, which has many advantages.
00:13:51.000 The American rule is you pay for your own fees.
00:13:53.000 Of course, when you're suing the government, you pay for your own fees pretty much no matter what.
00:13:59.000 Big wins, small loses.
00:14:00.000 That's unfortunately the truth.
00:14:02.000 Well, you won, and let's celebrate our victory.
00:14:06.000 Let's get drunk.
00:14:08.000 All right.
00:14:08.000 Well, oh, yeah, let's get drunk.
00:14:11.000 But I can't invite you into the studio this time.
00:14:13.000 So how are we going to do that on Skype?
00:14:15.000 We just watch each other drink beers.
00:14:17.000 It sounds fun to me.
00:14:18.000 That's how it's going to be in the year 2050, anyway.
00:14:22.000 Thanks for coming on the show, Ron.
00:14:23.000 My pleasure.
00:14:24.000 Great talking to you.
00:14:25.000 Appreciate it.
00:14:29.000 Hey guys, do you know who Based Stick Man is?
00:14:31.000 Kyle Chapman?
00:14:32.000 I assume you do.
00:14:33.000 Berkeley rallies where conservatives get constantly pummeled, where the mayor is Facebook friends with Yvette Falarka, who's a member of an anti-fug group called By Any Means Necessary.
00:14:44.000 It's a place where the alt left is mainstream.
00:14:48.000 They are in politics.
00:14:49.000 They are in schools.
00:14:51.000 And if you are a conservative in that town, you're dead meat.
00:14:55.000 But at this one rally, Kyle shows up and he has a shield and a stick.
00:15:01.000 And he says, no, the police aren't taking care of it.
00:15:04.000 I'll take care of it myself.
00:15:05.000 And he defends himself.
00:15:07.000 Now, when we get attacked with bats, the staff of the restaurant says, sorry, you had it coming.
00:15:13.000 But when we fight back with bats, we face prison time.
00:15:17.000 Well, he'll happily do time because he stands up for what he believes in.
00:15:21.000 And this is why it became a meme.
00:15:23.000 I mean, you must have seen this picture a million times.
00:15:27.000 It's here and here and here and here and here.
00:15:31.000 And he's not going to be here for a little while, but he's going to be back with a vengeance after he gets out.
00:15:40.000 And his spirit will never die.
00:15:42.000 That fire has been lit.
00:15:44.000 Let's talk to him about it.
00:16:00.000 Kyle Chapman, bass Stickman, how you doing?
00:16:04.000 Gavin, I'm doing great.
00:16:05.000 Thanks for having me on the show, brother.
00:16:06.000 Thank you for coming by.
00:16:07.000 Now, I was talking to some people last night, and they said, you know, Stickman's going to prison, right?
00:16:15.000 And I said, no, I think that's still up for grabs.
00:16:17.000 And they go, no, he's definitely, the only question is how long?
00:16:21.000 So I can't figure out, am I going to prison or am I working for the feds to get a deal to get the whole case thrown out so I can walk and skate?
00:16:31.000 You know, what's going on here?
00:16:36.000 You know, so I am facing a good chunk of time.
00:16:41.000 For what?
00:16:42.000 For the Stickman incident?
00:16:44.000 Yeah, man.
00:16:46.000 They charged me with possession of a billy club.
00:16:48.000 You know, they took me back into custody.
00:16:53.000 They raised my bail to $135,000.
00:16:57.000 Oh, my God.
00:16:58.000 Billy Club, which is probably the highest bail amount ever assessed for a Billy Club in probably the history of the state of California.
00:17:08.000 And so, yeah, with my priors and everything and all the enhancements, I'm looking at about eight years.
00:17:15.000 Will I get eight years?
00:17:16.000 Probably not, but they're probably looking at some time.
00:17:20.000 Unbelievable.
00:17:21.000 You know, we just had a proud boy up in Vancouver who goes piss, and while he's in there, these Zantifa, whatever, alt-lefters come in and just beat the crap out of him, rip his proud boy's shirt off.
00:17:32.000 This was a week ago.
00:17:33.000 He's still got two black guys.
00:17:34.000 They'll never face any time.
00:17:36.000 In fact, the staff refused to call the cops.
00:17:38.000 There's no crime done.
00:17:39.000 They killed a Nazi as far as they're concerned.
00:17:42.000 But the law works differently the other way around.
00:17:45.000 Yeah, I saw that online, and the sad thing that happened to that young man.
00:17:52.000 You know, this is how it works, you know, and this is all part of what we have to understand when we're fighting on the front lines, we're fighting in the face of tyranny, we're fighting in these liberal enclaves, is the law is not going to, the law is not going to be enacted and affected against us the same way it's going to be enacted or affected against the other liberal inhabitants.
00:18:22.000 And sometimes you have to make the sacrifice, brother.
00:18:25.000 You know, if I got to go do some time for this, you know, I wouldn't have done anything different.
00:18:31.000 You know, I wouldn't have done anything different.
00:18:34.000 If I got to do some time, I got to do some time.
00:18:36.000 The important thing is, is the actions I took that day and the actions other people took and the subsequent actions of when you and I and Faith Goldie, Lauren Southern, we had the Berkeley 3.0 and through the largest conservative rally probably in the history of the city of Berkeley.
00:18:54.000 What we've done have had lasting ramifications that will most likely go down in history and have inspired people all over the world.
00:19:03.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
00:19:05.000 Despite all of this pressure and getting people doxx and getting people fired, you have 15 to 25s being the most conservative they've been since Ronald Reagan.
00:19:16.000 We've red-pilled an entire generation, as Paul Joseph Watson says.
00:19:20.000 Yeah, so speaking of the 15 to 25s, I guess what are they calling this?
00:19:24.000 The Gen Zennials or Generation Z? 0.85
00:19:28.000 Yeah.
00:19:29.000 Yeah, So these guys, you know, there's a lot of potential there.
00:19:34.000 And if we get our eight years of Trump, and I think we will, we get a hold of the immigration issue, we could very well have an additional four years of Grand Paul because we will have such a large far-right voting block, voting constituency, with the Gen Zennials all coming into voting age and being more active in politics as they get older. 0.87
00:20:03.000 So, you know, what I think we need to do is we really need to take this fight to the universities, where these Generation Zs, obviously they're going to the university, they're going to school. 0.95
00:20:18.000 Many of these kids are very conservative, like you said, but they're still afraid to openly express their conservative ideology because of the oppression they face at the universities.
00:20:33.000 So I think the next phase of this battle needs to take place at the universities.
00:20:41.000 I mean, obviously it's been going on for a while with Milo and what happened in Berkeley with the Milo riots.
00:20:49.000 That inspired me to, that was part of what inspired me to do what I did.
00:20:52.000 But I think we need to sort of refocus from having these rallies at the parks or on the streets and refocus these rallies and back up our conservative brothers and sisters that are going to these liberal universities where they're being systematically oppressed.
00:21:12.000 They're not even liberal.
00:21:13.000 They're radical.
00:21:14.000 I mean, we had Marx.
00:21:15.000 Mark on the show the other day where this Marxist antifa faculty member attacked them, ripped their phone, smashed it on the ground.
00:21:23.000 You know, we've had college Republicans on the show who have been spat on, violently attacked.
00:21:28.000 And then they had Ami Horowitz.
00:21:30.000 He goes there with an American flag, gets screamed at, yelled at.
00:21:34.000 He goes with an Israeli flag, gets crapped on.
00:21:38.000 He goes there with an ISIS flag, and he's getting high fives.
00:21:43.000 So this has to change.
00:21:47.000 That's got to change.
00:21:49.000 The universities have been totally taken over, and it's going to be an uphill battle.
00:21:56.000 But what we at least have to do is normalize the presence of conservatives at these universities to where these university professors and the other radical Marxist students get used to seeing people in MAGA hats, walking with American flags.
00:22:14.000 We let them know, like, look, we're not stopping.
00:22:17.000 We're going to keep coming back.
00:22:19.000 Bay Stickman is going to keep going to the University of Berkeley, backing up Ashton Whitley and Troy Woden of Berkeley, University of Berkeley, or the Berkeley Patriot.
00:22:32.000 And other people do the same thing at other liberal universities throughout the country.
00:22:36.000 Let's start working with these kids.
00:22:39.000 Let's start having a presence on these campuses.
00:22:42.000 This is where the rallies need to be happening.
00:22:45.000 Let's take this shit from the streets and from the parks.
00:22:48.000 Let's take it to the universities.
00:22:50.000 Sold.
00:22:51.000 Let's do it, man.
00:22:53.000 Base, we got to go.
00:22:54.000 Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
00:22:57.000 No, just, you know, I want to thank all the Proud Boys for having my back, you know, and thank my supporters for everything they've done for me.
00:23:08.000 You know, Proud Boys were supporters from very early on.
00:23:11.000 And, you know, if it weren't for all the love people showed me, I'd be sitting in a jail cell eating bologna sandwiches right now.
00:23:18.000 So, you know, just this is thanks to everybody and thanks to you, Gavin, for having my back.
00:23:22.000 You're one of my earliest supporters.
00:23:24.000 And you've had my back ever since.
00:23:28.000 And I thank you for it, brother.
00:23:30.000 You're a warrior, man.
00:23:31.000 We need more warriors.
00:23:32.000 Thanks for coming on the show, buddy.
00:23:34.000 You got it, Gavin.
00:23:35.000 Cheers.
00:23:39.000 All right, this is a very unusual guest for the show, and I'm not sure this will even make it to air because the Twitter feed that Alyssa Eten Aiten has is pornographic. 0.69
00:23:54.000 So don't go check it out.
00:23:55.000 It's a man with breasts showing his penis and being very sexual. 0.99
00:24:01.000 But the reason I have this guy on the show is he was in the army.
00:24:05.000 And he decided that he was a woman after he got back, after he left the army, 2016, and became this model, I guess.
00:24:14.000 He does erotic photography.
00:24:17.000 So, you know, my instincts are the same as yours.
00:24:20.000 I go, ew.
00:24:23.000 But let's give him the time of day.
00:24:26.000 He's a state's rightist.
00:24:27.000 He's a minimal government guy.
00:24:28.000 He's a libertarian.
00:24:30.000 We basically have the exact same politics.
00:24:32.000 I just totally disagree with him on the trans thing.
00:24:36.000 So this is, I find this an interesting person to talk to because it's someone that I'm right on track with, except something that I'm very, very positive about, which is there's no such thing as trans. 1.00
00:24:47.000 Let's try to get through this.
00:24:48.000 Hello, Alyssa.
00:24:50.000 Hi, hi.
00:24:52.000 Am I pronouncing that wrong?
00:24:54.000 No, no, you're totally good.
00:24:56.000 You're 100% on pronunciation.
00:24:58.000 Now, we come from very different worlds, so I'm going to seem a little flustered here.
00:25:04.000 I've obviously got a lot of questions.
00:25:05.000 You used to be a cis man in the Army.
00:25:09.000 You're still a cisgender. 0.79
00:25:09.000 That's correct. 0.79
00:25:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess, I suppose technically I'd always been transgender, but I presented as a cisman. 0.95
00:25:15.000 So yeah, I mean, it's all the same.
00:25:17.000 And then you came back when?
00:25:19.000 When did you come back from deployment?
00:25:22.000 I actually never deployed.
00:25:24.000 I was part of the 1st Infantry Division.
00:25:26.000 Just happened to be during a span in which my unit never deployed.
00:25:30.000 I did a three and a half year tour.
00:25:33.000 So you never, never deployed.
00:25:34.000 I was stationed in Kansas.
00:25:38.000 2016 was when I got out of the Army.
00:25:41.000 And then when you got out of the Army, you said, I'm going to be a woman?
00:25:44.000 Kind of.
00:25:45.000 I mean, it certainly wasn't as accepted by myself or anybody in my immediate circle.
00:25:52.000 But yeah, I mean, over a process, yes, I decided to live as myself.
00:25:57.000 Were you gay before that?
00:26:00.000 No, I mean sexuality is kind of a fluid thing, I suppose, as far as my personal history, but I'm married to a female now, as I was then.
00:26:11.000 And how does she feel about the transition?
00:26:14.000 She's always been incredibly supportive.
00:26:16.000 I'm really one of the lucky few people that was married before and has remained married.
00:26:22.000 She's incredibly supportive.
00:26:23.000 We actually work together.
00:26:24.000 She's a makeup artist. 0.99
00:26:26.000 So she does a lot of my makeup and hair for a lot of my shoots.
00:26:29.000 And you do pornography?
00:26:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I've done adult nude shoots as well as artistic and fashion stuff.
00:26:40.000 I just walked a runway the other week, actually.
00:26:42.000 Any sexual videos?
00:26:45.000 No, no explicit videos yet.
00:26:48.000 Okay, well, I mean, I'm sure that you're used to these questions, that they must come up every time someone meets you.
00:26:55.000 No, yeah, I mean, shit, I'm an open book at this point.
00:26:57.000 I just thought, you know, like, I'm in New York City and I see a lot of trans people and most of them look like you right now.
00:27:06.000 And I think, you're going to be a tomboy.
00:27:09.000 Why bother?
00:27:12.000 This is definitely like a holiday thing for me.
00:27:15.000 It's shit, was it 7 a.m. right now on the West Coast?
00:27:19.000 I just got up like 20 minutes ago.
00:27:21.000 Between this and two kids, I'm pretty casual outside of work just because I work often enough, thankfully, that it's kind of a hassle to get ready and everything all the time outside of work.
00:27:33.000 That's what I'm screaming.
00:27:35.000 I was just at this drag show with Milo Yiannopoulos and Pamela Geller, and I'm looking at all the drag queens there. 1.00
00:27:43.000 Not that you're a drag queen, but they all have flats on. 1.00
00:27:47.000 And I think, ladies, you're not committing to the bit. 0.68
00:27:51.000 So why bother, you know, making such a drastic move when you're not going to be like that chick from Peewee's Playhouse with the big beehive and the stilettos? 0.83
00:28:02.000 It's, you know, I may not be the best person to ask about that either because I actually do wear flats most of the time because I'm 6'3.
00:28:10.000 So, yeah, I try to draw as little attention to myself as possible when I'm not working.
00:28:15.000 So yeah, I wear flats most of the time as well.
00:28:18.000 Right.
00:28:18.000 So I just, there's a lot of cons with this.
00:28:20.000 There's a risk with it making, freaking out the kids.
00:28:24.000 There's a risk with it affecting your marriage.
00:28:26.000 There's a risk with you being ostracized in society.
00:28:29.000 I assume you're out of the army.
00:28:31.000 Yeah, no, I've been out for, gosh, more than a year now.
00:28:36.000 No, there's a ton of risks.
00:28:37.000 And I think that's honestly why it is.
00:28:43.000 The risks aren't in being transgender. 1.00
00:28:45.000 The risks are societal.
00:28:48.000 You mean the stigma?
00:28:49.000 Yeah, no, totally.
00:28:50.000 It's 100% part of the stigma.
00:28:53.000 You're on the front of Vanity Fair.
00:28:55.000 People are bending over backwards to be trans.
00:28:57.000 People are pretending their kids are trans just so they can be part of the thing that's going on.
00:29:01.000 It's hot.
00:29:02.000 Well, I mean, look at my Twitter feed.
00:29:05.000 You'll see a pretty consistent hashtag about not being a trend because that's exactly what it's being made out to be within the media.
00:29:14.000 And I mean, that's a fall on both sides of the line.
00:29:16.000 Both people that don't like the transgender community and people that do support it but not fully understand it, consider it very trendy and very popular.
00:29:24.000 But it's not what it should be.
00:29:26.000 It's not a lifestyle choice.
00:29:28.000 It's simply who you are.
00:29:29.000 But wait a minute.
00:29:30.000 You said that there's a societal stigma and a taboo and that's the only bad thing.
00:29:34.000 And then you also said everyone just thinks it's trendy and hot.
00:29:38.000 Isn't that a contradiction?
00:29:39.000 No, no.
00:29:40.000 I think people think it's trendy for both good and bad reasons, but I think you're going to get people – And you get people that are soft racists, people that try to think they're doing the right thing or think they're supporting another race community when in reality they're hindering them.
00:30:07.000 Okay, well, out of those two, the real deal racists are a tiny, tiny, irrelevant fraction, maybe a thousand people scattered across 320 million.
00:30:17.000 And then in the second one, the soft thing, that's like a microaggression.
00:30:21.000 So in the actual word, we learn that it's not an issue.
00:30:25.000 It's soft.
00:30:26.000 Who cares?
00:30:28.000 No, I think it's soft.
00:30:29.000 The soft creates a dangerous perception.
00:30:33.000 And you're right.
00:30:35.000 I mean, as far as the hardened, you know, hardline racist or transphobic or anything in this case, it's still a small minority, but it's the minority that when they start to legislate against people's rights and existence, that's when it becomes dangerous.
00:30:49.000 I'm all for people having the ability for free thought and speech, but when they take it to the point of legislation, that's when you've gone beyond your free thought and speech.
00:30:59.000 But why did you have to be a woman? 1.00
00:31:02.000 That's certainly not a choice of mine.
00:31:04.000 Can't you just say to your wife, I want to take some weird pictures of myself?
00:31:08.000 And she'd say, uh, okay, and snap them away and keep them under the bed?
00:31:13.000 We have those two, but no, I mean, it's definitely beyond a self-image thing.
00:31:18.000 I'm really casual now, whereas when I first started, I definitely wanted to be more, I guess, hyper-feminine is a word.
00:31:27.000 But it's, you know, my whole body is different.
00:31:30.000 My demeanor is different.
00:31:30.000 My face is different.
00:31:32.000 I'm a completely different person than I was before I started hormones.
00:31:37.000 I don't know, man.
00:31:38.000 I don't get it.
00:31:41.000 That's okay.
00:31:42.000 It's not necessarily like something that needs to be gotten.
00:31:47.000 Just, I mean, not necessarily even respected, but just accepted and allowed.
00:31:51.000 Well, here's, I know you're a libertarian, and I consider myself a libertarian.
00:31:55.000 And people always ask me, why do you care what someone does with their body or whatever?
00:32:01.000 And I clearly don't want what you do to be illegal.
00:32:03.000 I'm not Mao.
00:32:04.000 But here's the two reasons why I think it's dangerous to totally normalize it and pretend it's nothing.
00:32:10.000 One, they're giving kids hormone blockers to prevent them going through puberty so they won't be traumatized by their pubic hair or whatever.
00:32:19.000 And I think that is child abuse.
00:32:21.000 I think that will make them infertile.
00:32:24.000 There's a whole litany of reasons why that's dangerous.
00:32:27.000 And then secondly, the trans suicide rate, as Ben Shapiro points out, is worse than Jews in Germany in 1942.
00:32:36.000 I believe it's about 50%, as far as the suicide rate goes.
00:32:40.000 So I think that you say, look, cutting your penis off, not that you've done that, but cutting your penis off is a huge deal.
00:32:47.000 Let's make it a big deal.
00:32:48.000 So it's not just like a thing you do, woo.
00:32:51.000 And if it's a thing you do, woo, the next thing you know, I think a lot of these suicides are, they go, hey, my penis is gone.
00:32:57.000 And my bipolar is still here.
00:32:59.000 My suicidal depression is still here.
00:33:01.000 All my other problems are still here.
00:33:02.000 It wasn't the dink.
00:33:03.000 Oh, no.
00:33:06.000 You see, well, if you look at the majority of trans suicide rates, it's either prior to starting hormone replacement therapy or immediately after starting hormone replacement therapy.
00:33:16.000 We're talking about within the first six months of it.
00:33:19.000 And I think that's mostly due to a lot of people not getting the proper access to proper mental health.
00:33:25.000 I have gone through the right channels, went to the VA, saw a therapist, went through a psychiatrist, was properly diagnosed with being transgender before I could take the next step on the hormone therapy.
00:33:37.000 Where there's quite a few people within the trans community that have never gone through those paths because they're not accessible to them.
00:33:44.000 There's a lot of people that are within poverty.
00:33:49.000 They don't have access to proper medical care or, you know, just don't believe that they're going to be given a fair share.
00:33:55.000 I think it's just being gay. 1.00
00:33:57.000 I think you're gay. 1.00
00:33:59.000 I mean, how do you explain my being married to a female?
00:34:02.000 I mean, I suppose, as far as I can see, I'm far gayer now than I was before.
00:34:06.000 Marriage sex, I think my wife's repulsed by me. 1.00
00:34:10.000 She just lies back and thinks of England.
00:34:14.000 Harvard, your wife's English? 1.00
00:34:16.000 Yeah, well, it's a cliche.
00:34:18.000 It loses its punch if you change it to America.
00:34:21.000 So fair.
00:34:22.000 But when I see these trans people, like the numbers just keep going up and up and up. 1.00
00:34:27.000 And there's, what do they say, like 10,000 trans people in the military?
00:34:32.000 I go, no, there's 10,000 gays in the military.
00:34:34.000 And it gets to be homophobic where you go, no, no, you're not a lesbian. 1.00
00:34:37.000 You're a dude.
00:34:38.000 No, you're a lesbian. 1.00
00:34:40.000 Enjoy it.
00:34:42.000 That's the thing is that I've never considered my sexuality the same as my gender.
00:34:48.000 It's never been correlated.
00:34:50.000 I never had an issue with my sexuality as far as whether I wanted to date men or women.
00:34:55.000 Coming to terms with my gender is a totally different beast.
00:34:58.000 But I mean, even psychologically, they're two very separate things within the mental health community.
00:35:07.000 Okay, last question.
00:35:08.000 Speaking of mental health, do you think trans should be in the military? 1.00
00:35:13.000 Do you support Trump's trans ban?
00:35:15.000 No, I mean, 40 years now, transgender people have been serving both openly and then closed for, I think, a little bit more than a year.
00:35:25.000 Are you counting the guy from MASH?
00:35:26.000 Because that was a fictional show.
00:35:28.000 No, that's cross-dressers. 0.61
00:35:32.000 We've been a very close-knit community within the military.
00:35:36.000 There are open channels that you can access from.
00:35:41.000 This military guy here, that was a trans person, and you knew other trans people.
00:35:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:49.000 I mean, it's an open secret, if you will.
00:35:52.000 But they don't allow people with flat feet.
00:35:54.000 They don't allow people with depression.
00:35:56.000 They don't allow people with flat feet.
00:35:57.000 What?
00:35:58.000 Yeah, they've allowed that for a while now.
00:36:00.000 Okay, well.
00:36:01.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:36:02.000 They have very high restrictions.
00:36:04.000 You know, if someone gets a domestic, they're not going to be serving.
00:36:09.000 They boot them out for a whole number of reasons.
00:36:11.000 Having sex while you're deployed gets you AWOLD or whatever it's called.
00:36:16.000 Booted out.
00:36:17.000 Yeah, no, you can get chapter out of the military for a number of things, but most of those are mental health related.
00:36:22.000 You showed that you're unfit.
00:36:23.000 You don't have your mental faculties aren't in line.
00:36:27.000 Transgender people have served with honor for about 40 years now.
00:36:31.000 Who?
00:36:32.000 Look at Logan Ireland.
00:36:34.000 Logan Ireland was born a cis female, transitioned in the military through his own money, is married to another transgender service member, who's now a veteran, doesn't serve any longer, but Logan does.
00:36:48.000 Layla Ireland.
00:36:49.000 She was in the Army, Logan's in the Air Force.
00:36:51.000 Both of them have served honorably for more than a decade.
00:36:54.000 And how are they not just gays? 0.84
00:36:56.000 Have they removed their gender?
00:36:58.000 It's a lesbian? 1.00
00:36:59.000 What is it?
00:36:59.000 A chick?
00:37:01.000 Logan, I'm not sure how far she's gone with her sex reassignment surgery, but as far as I know, Layla, sorry.
00:37:09.000 It's confusing, right?
00:37:10.000 No, I don't know what her original name was, but that's moot.
00:37:16.000 No, I believe that she's had sex reassignment surgery, but either way, I mean, I don't think your genitals dictate your gender. 0.88
00:37:23.000 that's a sex organ. 1.00
00:37:23.000 I understand, but they, you know, it gets to the point where it's, the government is paying for sex changes and there's a lot. 1.00
00:37:46.000 They don't.
00:37:46.000 They cover simply hormone replacement therapy, which is incredibly cheap as far as medical procedures go.
00:37:52.000 And that's it.
00:37:53.000 Anybody who has these surgeries, if they can get them signed off by their command, are paid for out of pocket.
00:37:59.000 Well, how about this?
00:38:00.000 Instead of debating it, we just go, man, we're not doing that.
00:38:04.000 Are you going back into the military?
00:38:06.000 No, I don't have any plans.
00:38:08.000 I could be called up.
00:38:09.000 You're on automatically eight years of inactive reserves.
00:38:13.000 But aren't you trans-banned? 0.66
00:38:15.000 No, that's under investigation at the moment, but there's no...
00:38:29.000 As soon as a ban is enacted, the people that are openly transgender will be removed from the military. 1.00
00:38:33.000 They'll be discharged.
00:38:34.000 Honorably, but they'll be discharged against their will.
00:38:39.000 What a mess you guys have created.
00:38:41.000 You've made everything so complicated.
00:38:43.000 It wasn't a mess until somebody decided to act on their social conservatism as opposed to just reason and logic.
00:38:52.000 There's been no reason to kick these people out of the military.
00:38:54.000 Or there's no reason to enact a ban.
00:38:56.000 Nobody's joined the military in order to get free health care or anything like That you can get it from your state insurance.
00:39:02.000 You can get better care as far as gender reaffirming care from your state health care.
00:39:09.000 Every time I have conversations like this, I just end up exhausted.
00:39:12.000 I mean, everything you're saying sounds pretty reasonable, I guess.
00:39:16.000 But I don't know.
00:39:17.000 I just don't like the idea of the guy from MASH going out of the foxhole with a machine gun.
00:39:23.000 I mean, and it's certainly not like that.
00:39:25.000 That's kind of the sad perception is that we're still seen as cross-dressers.
00:39:29.000 We're still seen as this kind of taboo, offshoot, weird community that has mental issues.
00:39:38.000 And we're not.
00:39:39.000 The vast majority of us are capable and willing to serve and have to go through the same process as everyone else has served to prove that they have the ability, both physically and mentally.
00:39:53.000 Well, look, we're out of time.
00:39:54.000 We're not going to agree on this.
00:39:56.000 One thing I have noticed, though, is that I can never get liberals on my show, but I have no trouble getting trans people on my show.
00:40:03.000 From across the spectrum, from Zoe Tour as the liberal to Blair White and Theron Meyer, they always seem ready to debate.
00:40:11.000 It seems like a rare trait.
00:40:13.000 I don't get it.
00:40:15.000 I don't know.
00:40:16.000 Honestly, I'm not very active within the trans community directly, just because a lot of my political ideas are opposed to, or stand in contrast to what they believe.
00:40:27.000 So I don't know that many trans people outside of work.
00:40:31.000 Well, you know me, and if I become trans, I'll become one of your trans friends.
00:40:36.000 Definitely, definitely.
00:40:37.000 It's not hanging out in person though.
00:40:39.000 you'd be hard to look at.
00:40:40.000 I don't know.
00:40:41.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
00:40:42.000 Stay away, stay away, stay away.
00:40:45.000 Get off my lawn.
00:40:47.000 Get off my lawn.