Gavin McInnes is joined by bassist stickman to talk about a variety of topics, including the latest in the Roy Moore and Al Franken scandals, and a woman who used to be a man who is now a woman.
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00:04:00.000But if they're just like, nah, I'm kind of a chick, kind of a tomboy, well, he's kind of.
00:04:06.000We agree with everything politically, so it's going to be fun talking to him.
00:04:09.000And also, Ron Coleman, buddy of mine, lawyer, he's been fighting for the past six years for a rock band called the Slants, I almost said the Slopes, for the Slants to be able to trademark their name.
00:04:24.000And the Redskins have been helping them out with this because they realize how important it is to trademark a word that someone has recently deemed offensive.
00:04:31.000Clearly, the Slants are just kidding, but that doesn't matter.
00:04:33.000You can have the worst racial epithet on earth.
00:04:37.000That's what this country's law states.
00:04:39.000So they finally got it passed just a few days ago after six years of fighting.
00:04:44.000So we'll talk to all three of those dudes.
00:04:47.000And that's going to leave us with zero time for anything else.
00:04:53.000All right, so the Slants are a band, four Asian dudes, and they're rocking away, playing their music, and they go, we would like to trademark our name.
00:06:15.000And I love this case because it's so easy to say, oh, fine, we'll change the name.
00:06:20.000But someone stood up for themselves and said, no, you're not going to tell me what jokes I can or can't make or what I'm going to trademark in my country.
00:06:30.000So let's talk to one of the lawyers involved in all this, Mr. Ron Coleman.
00:07:34.000But these days, people tend to be talking more about this Lance case, which was the first amendment case that we went to the Supreme Court on in January, and which resulted in June in a ruling that the Lanham Act, which is the trademark statute, was unconstitutional to the extent that it prohibited registration of trademarks that disparaged people.
00:08:10.000You don't mean that thing I did with those slants.
00:08:13.000No, I would never use words like that.
00:08:17.000Those are not nice words, although that's a fairly obscure expression.
00:08:23.000Some people, on the other hand, were very offended by it.
00:08:26.000But the Supreme Court says you are absolutely entitled to be offended by it.
00:08:30.000You just can't tell the government to prevent other people or yourself from being offended by its registration as a trademark, because trademarks are not allowed to be granted or denied based on viewpoint.
00:08:43.000Good news for the Washington Redskins.
00:08:46.000Well, this doesn't apply to the Washington Redskins, but I was going to say the problem with sort of censorship and fascism in general is you don't get the philosophical nuance of a lot of these words, like slant and slope and rice ball.
00:08:59.000Those words are so antiquated that they're a parody, really, of racism.
00:09:44.000So I think part of the reason the Jewish hipsters of Heb magazine chose Heb was precisely because it's so antique that its status as a parody, or in this case, what they call reappropriation, is pretty obvious.
00:10:37.000That's the way it's always going to be.
00:10:39.000The market, social pressures, commercial pressures, personal relationships are what prevents us from jumping over those lines or stops us from jumping over those lines.
00:10:50.000Whether or not you have established trademark rights in that word are inevitably going to depend on how those forces affect your use, because you don't get a trademark unless you use the mark.
00:11:03.000You have to show use of the mark in commerce.
00:11:05.000And if you show use of the mark in interstate commerce, which is essentially the same thing, because as we know, lunch counters located hundreds of miles away from any state border are considered to be interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause because of the civil rights decisions of the 1950s.
00:11:24.000So be that as it may, you still have to use the mark to get the registration.
00:11:28.000If you can get away with using that mark, that's not the PTO's problem.
00:11:33.000That's a problem in your neighborhood.
00:11:37.000Okay, so people can tolerate having a school like that.
00:11:40.000You can name a band any offensive word you want and have it trademarked.
00:11:52.000I mean, having a trademark and having a trademark registration are not identical, but for purposes of this conversation, right, we're talking about where the government gives you a registration, which enhances your ability to protect a trademark.
00:12:02.000Thanks to me, thanks to the team that I worked with, my partners at Archer, of course my client who kept schlepping along with us through this process, and of course the UCLA Supreme Court clinic, Stuart Banner and Eugene Vola, who helped us with a brief would be a mild understatement, and all the people who helped us practice and get this right, the Heritage Foundation, the Chamber of Commerce, Washington Redskins.
00:12:34.000Not every single moment with them was tension-free, but they knew that this was the case that was going to preserve their trademark rights.
00:12:43.000So once they got on board, and they were tremendously helpful.
00:12:49.000George Orwell said, within every joke is a tiny revolution.
00:12:52.000And it's amazing how these Asian kids want to make a joke that parodies racism, and it takes an army of lawyers and money and paperwork for them to have that right in America.
00:13:06.000If it weren't for the fact that the ACLU and we and UCLA did this work pro bono, we would not have reached this result, or it would have been a much rockier process because the only trademark I'm aware of that is adequate, that was funded well enough to take this all the way to the Supreme Court, well, no, there are a lot, but the Redskins spent millions of dollars on this.
00:13:32.000As a general rule, if you don't have the ability to fund legal services for non-criminal matters, you lose.
00:13:41.000It doesn't really matter what side the law is on.
00:13:46.000Essentially, it's a practical matter under the American rule, which has many advantages.
00:13:51.000The American rule is you pay for your own fees.
00:13:53.000Of course, when you're suing the government, you pay for your own fees pretty much no matter what.
00:14:33.000Berkeley rallies where conservatives get constantly pummeled, where the mayor is Facebook friends with Yvette Falarka, who's a member of an anti-fug group called By Any Means Necessary.
00:14:44.000It's a place where the alt left is mainstream.
00:16:07.000Now, I was talking to some people last night, and they said, you know, Stickman's going to prison, right?
00:16:15.000And I said, no, I think that's still up for grabs.
00:16:17.000And they go, no, he's definitely, the only question is how long?
00:16:21.000So I can't figure out, am I going to prison or am I working for the feds to get a deal to get the whole case thrown out so I can walk and skate?
00:17:21.000You know, we just had a proud boy up in Vancouver who goes piss, and while he's in there, these Zantifa, whatever, alt-lefters come in and just beat the crap out of him, rip his proud boy's shirt off.
00:17:39.000They killed a Nazi as far as they're concerned.
00:17:42.000But the law works differently the other way around.
00:17:45.000Yeah, I saw that online, and the sad thing that happened to that young man.
00:17:52.000You know, this is how it works, you know, and this is all part of what we have to understand when we're fighting on the front lines, we're fighting in the face of tyranny, we're fighting in these liberal enclaves, is the law is not going to, the law is not going to be enacted and affected against us the same way it's going to be enacted or affected against the other liberal inhabitants.
00:18:22.000And sometimes you have to make the sacrifice, brother.
00:18:25.000You know, if I got to go do some time for this, you know, I wouldn't have done anything different.
00:18:31.000You know, I wouldn't have done anything different.
00:18:34.000If I got to do some time, I got to do some time.
00:18:36.000The important thing is, is the actions I took that day and the actions other people took and the subsequent actions of when you and I and Faith Goldie, Lauren Southern, we had the Berkeley 3.0 and through the largest conservative rally probably in the history of the city of Berkeley.
00:18:54.000What we've done have had lasting ramifications that will most likely go down in history and have inspired people all over the world.
00:19:05.000Despite all of this pressure and getting people doxx and getting people fired, you have 15 to 25s being the most conservative they've been since Ronald Reagan.
00:19:16.000We've red-pilled an entire generation, as Paul Joseph Watson says.
00:19:20.000Yeah, so speaking of the 15 to 25s, I guess what are they calling this?
00:19:29.000Yeah, So these guys, you know, there's a lot of potential there.
00:19:34.000And if we get our eight years of Trump, and I think we will, we get a hold of the immigration issue, we could very well have an additional four years of Grand Paul because we will have such a large far-right voting block, voting constituency, with the Gen Zennials all coming into voting age and being more active in politics as they get older.
00:20:03.000So, you know, what I think we need to do is we really need to take this fight to the universities, where these Generation Zs, obviously they're going to the university, they're going to school.
00:20:18.000Many of these kids are very conservative, like you said, but they're still afraid to openly express their conservative ideology because of the oppression they face at the universities.
00:20:33.000So I think the next phase of this battle needs to take place at the universities.
00:20:41.000I mean, obviously it's been going on for a while with Milo and what happened in Berkeley with the Milo riots.
00:20:49.000That inspired me to, that was part of what inspired me to do what I did.
00:20:52.000But I think we need to sort of refocus from having these rallies at the parks or on the streets and refocus these rallies and back up our conservative brothers and sisters that are going to these liberal universities where they're being systematically oppressed.
00:21:49.000The universities have been totally taken over, and it's going to be an uphill battle.
00:21:56.000But what we at least have to do is normalize the presence of conservatives at these universities to where these university professors and the other radical Marxist students get used to seeing people in MAGA hats, walking with American flags.
00:22:14.000We let them know, like, look, we're not stopping.
00:22:19.000Bay Stickman is going to keep going to the University of Berkeley, backing up Ashton Whitley and Troy Woden of Berkeley, University of Berkeley, or the Berkeley Patriot.
00:22:32.000And other people do the same thing at other liberal universities throughout the country.
00:22:54.000Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
00:22:57.000No, just, you know, I want to thank all the Proud Boys for having my back, you know, and thank my supporters for everything they've done for me.
00:23:08.000You know, Proud Boys were supporters from very early on.
00:23:11.000And, you know, if it weren't for all the love people showed me, I'd be sitting in a jail cell eating bologna sandwiches right now.
00:23:18.000So, you know, just this is thanks to everybody and thanks to you, Gavin, for having my back.
00:23:39.000All right, this is a very unusual guest for the show, and I'm not sure this will even make it to air because the Twitter feed that Alyssa Eten Aiten has is pornographic.
00:24:30.000We basically have the exact same politics.
00:24:32.000I just totally disagree with him on the trans thing.
00:24:36.000So this is, I find this an interesting person to talk to because it's someone that I'm right on track with, except something that I'm very, very positive about, which is there's no such thing as trans.
00:27:21.000Between this and two kids, I'm pretty casual outside of work just because I work often enough, thankfully, that it's kind of a hassle to get ready and everything all the time outside of work.
00:27:35.000I was just at this drag show with Milo Yiannopoulos and Pamela Geller, and I'm looking at all the drag queens there.
00:27:43.000Not that you're a drag queen, but they all have flats on.
00:27:47.000And I think, ladies, you're not committing to the bit.
00:27:51.000So why bother, you know, making such a drastic move when you're not going to be like that chick from Peewee's Playhouse with the big beehive and the stilettos?
00:28:02.000It's, you know, I may not be the best person to ask about that either because I actually do wear flats most of the time because I'm 6'3.
00:28:10.000So, yeah, I try to draw as little attention to myself as possible when I'm not working.
00:28:15.000So yeah, I wear flats most of the time as well.
00:29:02.000Well, I mean, look at my Twitter feed.
00:29:05.000You'll see a pretty consistent hashtag about not being a trend because that's exactly what it's being made out to be within the media.
00:29:14.000And I mean, that's a fall on both sides of the line.
00:29:16.000Both people that don't like the transgender community and people that do support it but not fully understand it, consider it very trendy and very popular.
00:29:40.000I think people think it's trendy for both good and bad reasons, but I think you're going to get people – And you get people that are soft racists, people that try to think they're doing the right thing or think they're supporting another race community when in reality they're hindering them.
00:30:07.000Okay, well, out of those two, the real deal racists are a tiny, tiny, irrelevant fraction, maybe a thousand people scattered across 320 million.
00:30:17.000And then in the second one, the soft thing, that's like a microaggression.
00:30:21.000So in the actual word, we learn that it's not an issue.
00:30:35.000I mean, as far as the hardened, you know, hardline racist or transphobic or anything in this case, it's still a small minority, but it's the minority that when they start to legislate against people's rights and existence, that's when it becomes dangerous.
00:30:49.000I'm all for people having the ability for free thought and speech, but when they take it to the point of legislation, that's when you've gone beyond your free thought and speech.
00:32:04.000But here's the two reasons why I think it's dangerous to totally normalize it and pretend it's nothing.
00:32:10.000One, they're giving kids hormone blockers to prevent them going through puberty so they won't be traumatized by their pubic hair or whatever.
00:33:06.000You see, well, if you look at the majority of trans suicide rates, it's either prior to starting hormone replacement therapy or immediately after starting hormone replacement therapy.
00:33:16.000We're talking about within the first six months of it.
00:33:19.000And I think that's mostly due to a lot of people not getting the proper access to proper mental health.
00:33:25.000I have gone through the right channels, went to the VA, saw a therapist, went through a psychiatrist, was properly diagnosed with being transgender before I could take the next step on the hormone therapy.
00:33:37.000Where there's quite a few people within the trans community that have never gone through those paths because they're not accessible to them.
00:33:44.000There's a lot of people that are within poverty.
00:33:49.000They don't have access to proper medical care or, you know, just don't believe that they're going to be given a fair share.
00:36:34.000Logan Ireland was born a cis female, transitioned in the military through his own money, is married to another transgender service member, who's now a veteran, doesn't serve any longer, but Logan does.
00:39:39.000The vast majority of us are capable and willing to serve and have to go through the same process as everyone else has served to prove that they have the ability, both physically and mentally.
00:40:16.000Honestly, I'm not very active within the trans community directly, just because a lot of my political ideas are opposed to, or stand in contrast to what they believe.
00:40:27.000So I don't know that many trans people outside of work.
00:40:31.000Well, you know me, and if I become trans, I'll become one of your trans friends.