On today's episode of RHOBH, we have special guest Candace Owens. She's a standup comedian, writer, and host of the podcast Red Pill Black. She also happens to be the wife of former New York Jets head coach Mike Tomlin. Candace talks about growing up in the projects in the late 60s and early 70s, and how she and her family dealt with racist phone calls and hate mail sent to her family.
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00:01:27.000He's not dead, but you know what happened here.
00:01:30.000Whenever you see Keith Oberman and said he's had enough, what he means is he was fired because he's impossible to work with because he is Captain Bringdown.
00:01:38.000He's that guy at the party who always has a problem with someone there or something that was said or the hors d'oeuvres.
00:03:08.000Well, another reason besides the fancy designer furniture that I thought that, and it's very Ralph Loren with the little rustic touches, is your backstory.
00:03:17.000Now, the backstory that came up on the Dave Rubin thing, and everyone knows it who knows you, is that you got one of the most alarming, threatening phone messages a human black person can get that talked about lynching and murdering and Martin Luther King.
00:03:31.000And it sounded like a hate crime hoax, actually, when you hear the content.
00:03:42.000And I thought, oh, so maybe she was the only black girl at school and they didn't.
00:03:47.000Yeah, it ended up being the governor, the current governor of Connecticut's sun, which kind of blew a situation that was out of proportion.
00:03:52.000Like, personally, me, I think that the adults handled the situation wrong.
00:03:56.000And if that was my kid, I wouldn't be playing politics.
00:03:58.000I would have marched my kid down to make him apologize, to own up to it.
00:04:02.000But like a true politician, he tried to get away with it, which just led it into this whole huge investigation that never really needed to be.
00:04:10.000Again, his son was really young, so I don't even like the fact that they were calling him racist.
00:04:14.000It became more about politics versus the NAACP and not the kids that were involved, in my personal opinion.
00:04:47.000And he was like, let's prank call this chick.
00:04:49.000And I was the chick they prank called.
00:04:51.000But it wasn't really that good of a prank because it was like four violent voices shouting, saying they were going to kill and tar and feather my family.
00:06:06.000And she said that the two allegations against you were that you started at a doxing site and that you said, her behind the scenes gossip was you said, I'm not going to call you a man.
00:06:18.000I know you predicted that and that's petty.
00:06:20.000And then as soon as the cameras were on, you called her a man.
00:06:24.000That's literally the exact opposite of what happened.
00:06:26.000I said specifically, I just watched because he put up like a thing that said like, I know what's going to happen.
00:06:34.000I actually went on record on a pre-interview with a girl, blonde tweets, and I said, I don't view Blair as a woman, so I'm going to call him.
00:06:55.000Like that's just something that I stand, a platform that I stand on.
00:06:58.000And look, if we were friends and I super respected Blair and I knew that that was something that really meant a lot to him, I would say, okay, like I'm happy to call you a she because I know what you've gone through.
00:07:06.000This is a person that was online trashing me, literally calling me trash, calling me a fraud, calling me a bitch.
00:07:33.000Dave was sitting in the chair, and I directly said it in front of him, and I said it in front of Blair.
00:07:38.000And then the cameras rolled, and I said, I'm going to address it head on before we start the entire conversation because I don't want people at home to be confused.
00:09:59.000But I'm starting to realize that like gossip and drama is kind of how a lot of YouTubers run their lives.
00:10:04.000And it's all about instantly getting on something and then getting off of it and moving on to the next dogpile.
00:10:08.000So it's, you know, it's becoming, it wasn't traditionally a right-wing thing, all this gossip, but with all these younger people involved, we're getting more backstabbing gossip secrets.
00:10:22.000And I, I, like, look, again, I've, I have owned up, I'm not familiar with internet culture whatsoever.
00:10:27.000Like, I didn't even know what doxing, the word doxing meant when social autopsy was started.
00:10:32.000So I, at YouTube, it caught me off guard because there was all of these people that I thought that I like was going to build a bridge with.
00:10:38.000Like, I came in, like, I felt like I was the new girl in school.
00:12:06.000It's mission critical for me to wake up the black community.
00:12:09.000That's the only thing that I intend to do.
00:12:11.000You know, I just signed on with Turning Point, so I'm literally, all 2018 is going to be me descending on campuses, trying not to get my butt kicked by Black Lives Matter.
00:12:20.000I'm going to go and I'm going to meet with them and talk to them and give speeches.
00:12:23.000And that's what I've always been about is making content with a different perspective, but primarily the focus being on waking up black people.
00:12:46.000And you know what was really funny is like when this whole like dog piling started on with the YouTubers, I started to wonder, like, because they were convinced that everyone had their back, like, you know, this is what, you know, that everyone thought this about me.
00:12:58.000I almost think that this was liberals like jumping in that is seeing like the right tone and all of that support they thought was coming from the right.
00:13:05.000Because I mean, everyone on the right kind of was like, dude, I think this is kind of ridiculous.
00:13:09.000You know, the bigger characters, I guess you would say.
00:13:11.000And I think that liberals look for those opportunities and we just can't hand it to them like that.
00:17:01.000And by the way, the last woman's march, the last woman's march, pro-choicers were the only ones who were allowed.
00:17:08.000Pro-lifers were not allowed, which is mental because it was run by Linda Sarseur, who's a Muslim, and I'm sorry, but if you have a burqa on, if you have a hijab on, then you're a practicing Muslim.
00:17:19.000And if you're a practicing Muslim, you're pro-life.
00:17:22.000So, lady, if you care so much about the life in there, why weren't you invited to the woman's march?
00:18:14.000If you go to the men's and you go to a stall, do you think we're all going to be sitting there going, hey, hey, hey, hey, what the hell's going on in here?
00:18:56.000She is so insanely hot that she was plucked out of the ghetto in India and shot into a movie that immediately became the most successful movie of the year.
00:19:08.000But every time liberals are forced to defend diversity, they always just talk about the variety of restaurants, which is colored people serving them.
00:19:17.000People of color with trays in their hands going, would you like some of this I prepared?
00:19:21.000Would you like some of that I prepared?
00:20:53.000What is it with liberals where they can't differentiate between legal immigration and illegal immigration?
00:20:58.000And I highly suggest if you're talking to them at Thanksgiving, you say, I'm not against legal, even though you kind of are and you want it to be revamped and based on our meritocracy.
00:21:07.000That's too much for them to eat at once.
00:21:34.000They say these motherhood statements, these total reductivist statements, where they've reduced the argument down to nothing.
00:21:39.000And then they look at their own statement, like gay marriage is about two people in love and two people in love should be able to be together.
00:21:46.000Look, if you're saying duh, it's usually an indication that you're not phrasing the argument correctly and you're not aware of the complexities of said argument.
00:21:56.0003x plus y cubed spun about the z-axis is approximately 3x plus 4y.
00:22:35.000Or often the mother can choose where she wants it to go, and she wants it to go to gays because she thinks it's cool and it's hot and it's exciting.
00:22:42.000So there isn't this scourge of abandoned lesbians wishing they could adopt.
00:22:46.000In fact, if I go through my own Rolodex, and I'm sure it's the same for you if you're an urban creative type, I bet you see more gays with kids, adoption-wise, than straights with adopted kids.
00:22:58.000Obviously, lesbians can't breed, but you know what I mean.
00:23:02.000Out of all the adopted kids you know, the parents tend to be gay.
00:23:05.000And very few people have a problem with this, by the way.
00:23:08.000This is not, there's not, you don't need to go to the streets and fight against this horrible scourge of evil men who don't want lesbians having kids.
00:23:16.000I've definitely heard some people say that.
00:23:18.000They tend to be very religious and very old.
00:23:19.000But you don't have to march against them.
00:24:14.000You know how you say that all white men are homophobes and sexists and racists and all that?
00:24:19.000You're going to find plenty of that in Islam.
00:24:22.000So let's put them a little lower in our priority list for immigrants.
00:24:26.000Maybe bring in some Christians, like the Syrian refugees that are Christian, or the northern Iraqi refugees that are Christian, or the Coptic Christians in Egypt.
00:24:36.000Or maybe what about some white Christians from South Africa that are living in a compound?
00:24:40.000Can we pull them in and not base our whole immigration policy on virtue signaling?
00:25:29.000And by the way, you're going to see a lot more rape in Islam and all these other cultures that you can't wait to import because America is all about freedom.
00:27:08.000And then you go, well, there's a rush because he's going to die when you take his heart out.
00:27:11.000No, you take something from the femoral artery, that goes in a machine, and you have like four hours while the machine does the heart work.
00:27:20.000And you could go have a cigarette, whatever, and you just stitch it up, and it's already been checked for acceptability, you know, rejection.
00:27:28.000And boom, you're done in what, an hour?
00:27:32.000Well, actually, you're making it very simplistic.
00:27:35.000It is much more complicated than what you're describing.
00:27:39.000The heart has more than just four tubes coming in and out of it.
00:27:44.000And there's many things that we have to do when we're doing open heart surgery to protect the rest of the body while we stop the heart to do what we have to do.
00:27:52.000The suturing that you're describing is the type of steps that you would take in a heart transplant.
00:27:58.000But there are many other operations that we do in the heart.
00:28:01.000We do coronary artery bypass grafting.
00:28:21.000Well, if you're doing a transplant, the areas that you're going to be dealing with are the two atria, the right and left atria, the aorta, the pulmonary artery.
00:28:32.000The pulmonary veins very often are taken separately instead of just the left atrium.
00:28:39.000So we're talking about six or seven different structures.
00:28:42.000And while we're doing this, we have to keep the patient alive.
00:28:45.000So we have to make sure that there's oxygenated blood going to the body.
00:28:49.000So we have to do that through a cannula into the aorta.
00:28:53.000We have to drain the venous return to the heart, which is the desaturated blood, which is lower in oxygen.
00:29:02.000And there's other tubes going in and out for venting purposes or for giving cardioplegia, which is medicine to protect the patient, while we're on bypass.
00:29:11.000So those little veins, I will give you this.
00:29:13.000Those little veins, besides the big pasta ones, that must be tricky to sew.
00:29:19.000If we're doing coronary artery bypass surgery, those aren't veins, those are arteries.
00:29:25.000But you're half right because very often conduits that we're using to bypass the blockages in the coronaries are vein that we harvest from the leg or from radial artery that we're harvesting from the arm or internal mammary artery that we're harvesting off of the chest wall.
00:29:40.000Those are one to two millimeter vessels and we're sewing them to one to two millimeter vessels for the bypass.
00:29:47.000And we're using suture material that is finer than the human hair.
00:29:53.000So we use magnification and we are very meticulous in what we're doing.
00:29:58.000And it's not as easy as you might think.
00:30:21.000Okay, I have an idea for an easier way.
00:30:24.000You take a stint, like a small little straw, and it's biodegradable.
00:30:30.000You put that in one tube, and then the other tube, you seal them together, wrap that with any kind of a sort of a sticky kind of a thing, adhesive, or any kind of a wiring, that also is biodegradable.
00:30:44.000And then over time, the tube will reseal, and then the outer and the inner tubes will disintegrate back into the blood and get cleaned by the liver.
00:30:53.000Well, actually, you've obviously been doing some reading because there is research being done on other ways to attach these small vessels together using these types of devices that you're describing and glues of various kinds to glue the two ends together.
00:31:09.000That hasn't really reached the clinical scenario yet, but people are doing things like this in the laboratory.
00:31:16.000Okay, so what you just are saying now is that I'm actually smarter than the entire medical community.
00:31:23.000I don't think my words were that specific, but I am impressed by your knowledge.
00:32:13.000I know that third-party payers do have to pay the people that are billing, which comes from the university billing department or the hospital billing departments.
00:32:23.000But it's much less than it was 20 or 30 years ago.
00:32:28.000The remuneration of the third-party payers to physicians in general, not just heart surgeons, has gone down remarkably over the last decade or so.
00:32:40.000Like, how much would a university charge to do a heart transplant, and how much would the actual surgeon get in his pocket cash at the end?
00:32:49.000Well, it's the same salary whether we're operating or not.
00:32:52.000So, if we do a transplant, the third-party payers, that money goes to the hospitals that are doing the filling.
00:33:00.000Well, then I would just say I'm feeling sick and I have blurred vision today.
00:33:09.000Well, there are many rewards that we get in taking care of sick people that are far different than just monetary rewards of our salary or the payments being made.
00:33:20.000Taking care of sick people is really a calling.
00:33:24.000I consider it an honor that people will let me take care of them.
00:33:28.000And that's the type of payment that really I can't put a dollar sign on, Mr. McInnes.
00:33:35.000Was there ever a moment where you were in there inside someone's heart taking out a tumor and you just sort of went, not me, but sometimes, well, often we have trainees that come to the operating room to watch what we're doing because one of our missions is to train physicians, nurses, other ancillary health care personnel for the future.
00:34:00.000And sometimes these young people in training do get lightheaded.
00:34:06.000We usually assign a senior person to stand behind them in the operating room until we know that they can handle it okay.
00:34:14.000I have had people faint on me in the operating room.
00:34:17.000Okay, so I think the takeaways from this interview is heart surgery is pretty easy except for this tiny veins.
00:34:24.000I figured out a way to make that easier and it's gross.
00:34:28.000I'm not going to agree with all of that.
00:34:31.000I hope that with the pictures that you're going to be showing your audience, they will get some sort of an idea that it can be much more complicated than you may see in pictures that are put up on the internet or in books that you might be reading that you pick up the books.
00:38:43.000They are particularly cloaked in guilt, and I think they get bullied when they're in high school.
00:38:47.000So they come up to New York City, and you'll see a lot of this in liberal media.
00:38:52.000The guys are these sort of five foot seven.
00:38:55.000They have little beards and cardigans on, and they work for Daily Beast type of blogs, gawker type things, and they are just so drenched in guilt that they are kissing the boots of the black Israelites.