Gavin McInnes is joined by Jada Franson and Matthias Thorpe to talk about the anti-fucking apocalypse, and the recent firing of MSNBC's Samantha Seder. Gavin also talks about a new song, and why he thinks the 80s were the worst decade ever.
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00:03:05.000Cernovich digs through his quotes and then finds, do you have the actual tweet, Dave?
00:03:13.000It says something like, I look forward to my daughter getting raped by someone who is good at all miss film or something like that.
00:03:21.000Now, the content of his joke was mocking the tolerance we have.
00:03:27.000Yeah, don't care, Ray Plansky, but I hope if my daughter's ever raped, it is by an older, truly talented man with a great sense of mise on scene.
00:03:47.000He gets people fired, and you start picking fights with people.
00:03:52.000Eventually, it turns on you, and your own stupid logic is rammed down your throat.
00:03:56.000I mean, this happens to us all the time.
00:03:58.000Pax Dickinson had, I'm going to use the word Canadian for the N-word here.
00:04:04.000He said, some woman is going to get raped by a pack of Canadians.
00:04:08.000And it was in a comical context, and it raped by a pack of Canadians.
00:04:11.000So Pax was mocking Mel Gibson, but out of context, it looked like he was just saying raped by a pack of Canadians, and he lost his job for that.
00:04:20.000Okay, liberals, you want to play that game?
00:04:22.000That means you can get fired for your jokes taken out of context.
00:04:26.000So unjustified, morally wrong, but I'm totally fine with it.
00:04:56.000I mean, that is both extremely generous and damning.
00:05:00.000See, again, I don't think you should have kangaroo courts without evidence where someone is framed based on a rumor, but I've got no skin in the game, and it's kind of fun watching the left cannibalize each other.
00:05:12.000I'm enjoying seeing John Oliver attack Dustin Hoffman.
00:05:15.000I like all these lefties having to meet their own standards.
00:06:59.000He sidetracked it because I wanted him to talk a little bit about how Antifa kind of started out of the communist movement and how it was kind of more of an arm of the communist movement as opposed to really fighting against fascism.
00:07:13.000So it's like my question was, well, was communist fascism that killed over 150 million people worse than the Mussolini and Nazi fascism that killed somewhere around 12 million?
00:07:27.000So I wanted him to somehow identify the fact that, well, communist Russia was still a fascist regime.
00:07:51.000And, you know, Mark was really trying to, I think, make a joke out of me and what I was doing.
00:07:58.000And I just wanted to be an alternative voice in that room because I knew a lot of people wouldn't know about Antifa, who they really were, about the free speech movement.
00:08:09.000And I didn't want him to get away with telling all these lies without somebody saying, hey, that's not right.
00:08:15.000So, yeah, so that was kind of the main focus of going there.
00:08:19.000But after the meeting, you know, I was very respectful to all the people there.
00:09:33.000So I saw the free speech rally that happened in August, knew nothing about the free speech movement, knew nothing about anything.
00:09:42.000Didn't know anything about you because I know that you were one of the speakers.
00:09:45.000You were planning to be one of the speakers there.
00:09:48.000And I looked at the list of people who were supposed to speak and I said, I don't see anything that controversial about any of these people.
00:10:34.000So when we had our rally again in November, there was about a thousand counter-protesters that showed up.
00:10:40.000So a lot of those people that showed up the last time, they either didn't, there wasn't as much news about it because there wasn't the hysteria, or they realized that they protested an Indian guy and people from, you know, I think there was a black guy that had a speech.
00:11:12.000I knew it was going to be linked to that.
00:11:13.000And there's just no, you just can't argue with these people, as you just found out.
00:11:18.000And that brings me to my last question is, if my brother said, hey, I'm going to go to an antifoot talk and try to reason with them, I'd say, no, Kyle, don't go within 100 miles of that place.
00:11:30.000So you had to know it was going to get violent.
00:11:35.000You had to know it was a coin toss, whether you'd get beat up or not.
00:11:38.000I knew that there was a chance of trouble, but I didn't exactly know who was going to show up.
00:11:44.000I didn't know it was going to be so highly concentrated with these sort of communist Antifa groups.
00:11:50.000Because I know in Berkeley, there's a girl, Ashton Witty, I think is her name.
00:11:57.000And she showed up to one of these talks by Mark Bray.
00:12:01.000And it seemed like it was mostly just old people who were just trying to figure out who this guy was and trying to figure out, you know, what Antifa was.
00:12:10.000I didn't expect such a hostile environment.
00:12:13.000I expected a little bit, but I know going into these things because this isn't the first time I've gone into a meeting that talks about opposing ideas.
00:12:23.000You know, these people are very aggressive.
00:12:25.000I've been to protests where, you know, I've tried to talk with people.
00:12:28.000I've gone to meetings of like the Democratic Socialists of America, where at the very end, people were yelling at me and telling me I'm not welcome here just for asking questions.
00:12:38.000You know, so it's like, you can't, like I said, I'm losing hope every day about whether or not we can reason with any of these people and work this out because as time goes on, I just think the climate gets crazier and crazier.
00:12:54.000Well, I've been saying it for a long time.
00:12:55.000I don't think chicks should go to rallies on our side, Trump chicks.
00:12:59.000I don't think we should Go to Islamberg and ask those Muslims what they're doing because I think they're jihadis.
00:13:04.000And if you want to go talk to Antifa, I think you need to have at least 20 guys who are willing to brawl with you at the time.
00:13:12.000We're not dealing with sane people, we're dealing with crazy ex-girlfriends.
00:13:16.000Yeah, yeah, I had a group of three people.
00:13:19.000One guy already got kicked out because somebody had a confrontation with him in the bookstore.
00:13:24.000And then when we left and we came back, I thought most of these people had left.
00:13:32.000But the Antifa here on the East Coast is not as crazy as the ones out on the West Coast.
00:13:38.000But I don't know where these people came from.
00:13:40.000We're still trying to work on getting video of the incident itself.
00:13:44.000So, you know, the Antifa that we saw in November, they were cowards.
00:13:49.000You know, we had Joey Gibson go out into the crowd and walk through the crowd of a thousand counter-protesters, and none of them did anything.
00:14:25.000And I mean, this is a domestic terrorist attack, and I've heard absolutely nothing from their end.
00:14:32.000I want to take this to the furthest extent because, you know, you can blame a lot of people on this incident.
00:14:37.000You can blame Marty Walsh, the police commissioner, all these people who said that we were neo-Nazis back in August because they never corrected that record.
00:14:47.000So many people who either don't know about who we are or didn't get any further news about the incident still think that Nazis came to Boston in August.
00:15:06.000And it's like, yeah, I wish I wouldn't have gotten into a fight.
00:15:09.000But in a way, I think this is going to bring a lot of attention to at least the city and Antifa and kind of the whole free speech movement over here in Boston.
00:15:19.000Because, you know, we need to make, I think, headway here in Boston because it's the cradle of liberty.
00:15:26.000You know, I think if we conquer Boston, we can conquer the entire nation.
00:15:31.000Well, that's a good attitude to have, especially with your eyes sealed shut.
00:15:36.000Yeah, you know, I'm the thing is, is like I said, when you go into these things, when you try to stand up for what is right, like I understand, you know, you have to definitely use some common sense here and try to be careful.
00:15:47.000Unfortunately, I let my guard down because I was having such good conversations with certain people and everything was friendly.
00:15:54.000But, you know, some of these people are not.
00:15:56.000Some of these people want to commit violence and you just have to be aware of that.
00:15:59.000So I'll definitely be bringing some self-defense, you know, some bear mace or something with me any other time I go to an opposing rally to protect myself.
00:16:11.000Sad that in the free world you're left carrying mace anytime you want to talk to someone.
00:16:15.000Well, the good news is you're a martyr now for the right, and that means when you die, you go to heaven and there's 72 virgins waiting to make love to you.
00:16:24.000So that's, and they're all attractive.
00:17:06.000And when you hear that someone is far right in Britain, they're moderate in America.
00:17:10.000That whole country, because the government controls their media, the BBC, is state-controlled thought policing.
00:17:18.000And you will get jailed for a racist tweet.
00:17:20.000You'll get jailed for throwing bacon on a mosque where you will be killed in prison.
00:17:23.000We've got Count Dankula facing prison time for teaching his pug to Ziegheil.
00:17:28.000Meanwhile, child rape gangs are totally ignored.
00:17:31.000So Donald Trump retweeted Britain First, three tweets, three videos, one smashing the Virgin Mary, the other murdering a teenage boy, the other a crippled boy being beaten.
00:17:41.000And the focus is not on the content of those videos, but on Britain First.
00:17:45.000So you go, oh, okay, well, maybe they are Nazis.
00:17:57.000And then they've got, you go to their videos, and they've got a big video about how they're not racist, and they want you to know that they're a multicultural group.
00:18:09.000Which is pretty reasonable when we have a massive rape epidemic.
00:18:14.000But Britain is so obsessed with not offending Muslims that even Manchester, we found out the other day that they had plenty of information showing that Manchester was going to be a major attack.
00:18:25.000They knew who these people were, but no, they ignored it.
00:19:34.000Now, I've had you on my radar for quite a while now because I'm originally British and I care about that country and I don't like it seeing Islamicized, but you're all over the mainstream American news now.
00:20:03.000This morning, the president started his day by promoting anti-Muslim fascist propaganda, retweeting videos posted by the leader of a British hate group called Britain's First Jada France Initiative.
00:22:14.000I'm from London, and I'm literally unable to walk through London without security because I get attacked.
00:22:21.000And so this judgment that the establishment keeps throwing upon our people is actually really irresponsible and it's completely unfair.
00:22:29.000And this week alone, I have seen the whole government, the opposition, everyone you can imagine stereotyping everyone that's involved in Britain first and calling them vile.
00:24:04.000And the reason we are growing, the reason Trump was elected is because everyone's sick of these people who are just living in a completely different world.
00:24:14.000They will never understand what it's like to live next door to a family of Syrian refugees.
00:24:21.000They won't know what it's like to have their daughters come home and say, I have been groomed by a gang of Muslims.
00:24:28.000They're just, they're on a completely different planet.
00:24:31.000And for them to be so blatant about this divide, this class division, as to, I mean, I'd be mortified if that kind of story was run and I was so pompous as to say, well, let's not allow the sorry state of Britain to inflict upon our indulgence in champagne.
00:24:51.000It's just, they're completely out of touch.
00:24:53.000And thankfully, the British public, just as the American public did have, now have an alternative, and that's Britain First.
00:25:00.000Well, there's so much I want to talk about here.
00:25:03.000I feel like we can only scratch the surface.
00:25:50.000Nobody cares about these minute details.
00:25:54.000In fact, I mean, what would the left have done?
00:25:56.000This is, I have wondered this over the last, since I've given maybe 150 interviews over the last few days.
00:26:03.000I have wondered what on earth these people would have asked me if it weren't for that one video where that one young fella who maybe may have citizenship and may, you know, look, just like Angel Chowdhury's parents are both from Pakistan.
00:26:20.000You know, the notorious Islamic hate preacher who's in prison now on terrorist charges?
00:26:34.000I mean, look, the fact is, the content is not fake.
00:26:38.000But if it is, and if they're actors, then great.
00:26:41.000Because that poor young boy who was pelted to death by this migrant of some extension was obviously just wiped himself off and said, where's my paycheck for that acting gig?
00:27:03.000I mean, we have this myopic obsession with Nazis and finding racists, and you have a video of a boy being murdered right in your face, and you go, excuse me, I want to focus on the potential racism of Britain first.
00:27:18.000I think it might just be that we can't handle the truth.
00:27:33.000Thankfully, that I'm not encompassed in that we.
00:27:36.000But yeah, again, look, the fact is the media wrote this up as Donald Trump retweets vile, fascist, racist, far-right, every description under the sun, Jada Franson, who posted anti-Islamic videos.
00:27:54.000Well, I don't know whether these videos have all been taken out of context.
00:27:58.000Sound like a Muslim now, but look, I don't know how they've missed the fact that in the video, Muslims are throwing a poor young fella off a roof or that the Virgin Mary, the statue of the Virgin Mary has been smashed.
00:28:10.000But somehow, the media are able to continue this professional victimhood of Muslims and say, this is so unfair.
00:28:20.000I've read so many articles saying how it would have felt for American Muslims waking up to see Trump retweeting anti-Islamic tweets.
00:28:29.000And I'm just like, what is going on in the world?
00:29:32.000But on a more serious note, these are the implications and the ramifications of name-calling.
00:29:38.000And we saw it with, for example, Rotherham, which wasn't actually the worst case in Britain.
00:29:44.000So far that I know of, the worst case was Telford, where 2,300 girls were groomed, raped and tortured.
00:29:52.000Rotherham was one of the big ones to, the main ones, to hit the headlines.
00:29:55.000And it kind of exposed the ongoing, it's still happening now.
00:29:59.000I'm facing trial for one of the cases, but obviously not for grooming, but for exposing it.
00:30:04.000But Rotherham, 1,400 girls were groomed, raped, tortured.
00:30:08.000There were children that were killed within this 16-year period.
00:30:12.000And here's the problem with this name-calling, and here's the problem with the likes of Theresa May, Anne Barad, Sadiq Khan, all of those people who have been throwing these labels at me over the last few days.
00:30:23.000The fact that they do it to me and I don't let it affect me makes me quite a rare case because the majority of people don't want to receive those labels.
00:30:31.000They don't want, because that would impact on their jobs, on their lives, on their children, children's schooling.
00:30:37.000And we saw in Rotherham over a 16-year period, the social services and the police force were so bullied and so scared of being accused of being racist for highlighting the fact that it was almost entirely Pakistani Muslim men that were carrying out the grooming and raping and torturing of non-Muslim British children because they didn't want to have to highlight that fact in case they were called racists.
00:31:03.000They covered it up and 1,400 children that we know of, because let's face it, there's going to be more that didn't come forward, but 1,400 children have had their lives ruined.
00:31:14.000So it is dangerous calling these names and I think certainly the British establishment have behaved irresponsibly and unprofessionally and I'm so pleased that Donald Trump has called them out at every opportunity.
00:32:34.000It says, I've studied the Quran, I've studied the Bible.
00:32:38.000It says in the Quranic scriptures that you're permitted, you're encouraged in the Islamic scriptures and instructed to wage jihad against the non-Muslims.
00:32:48.000It's an obligation of every Allah-fearing Muslim.
00:32:53.000And in that, you are encouraged, it's not just suggested, you are encouraged to take the non-Muslim women and children, the kufar, as sex slaves.
00:33:06.000It's complete and utter ignorance on behalf of not just the British establishment, but any establishment that hasn't bothered to read this book to say that this is a misinterpretation.
00:33:19.000And for the argument that Muslims shouldn't or believe that they shouldn't follow these scriptures, again, is ridiculous.
00:33:26.000Because I think from one Christian to another, I think the notion that you and I shouldn't follow the New Testament and, you know, Christ's Sermon on the Mount and all the instructions that were given to love thy neighbour and, you know, to say that, oh, he didn't mean that.
00:33:39.000Like, he didn't actually mean to take that literally.
00:33:43.000I hate them because Christ was just messing around.
00:33:45.000And to say that Allah instructing people to take the non-Muslims, to kill the kufar where you find them and take their women and children as sex slaves.
00:33:53.000And to say that, no, no, no, you've got that wrong.
00:33:56.000That is what they're doing, but it's not because of those scriptures is not just irresponsible.
00:34:56.000As opposed to a medal, Kent Police have, in fact, given me a charge sheet which contains four separate charges of harassment, religiously aggravated harassment of the poor Muslim rapists who are actually currently serving 14 years.
00:35:15.000And they're named on these charge sheets.
00:35:21.000I'm looking at the officers when they've given me the charge sheet and they're reading out the names of the poor victims that Jada Franson, big scary Jada Franson, has upset and harassed and alarmed and caused distress to.
00:35:34.000And they are the very same men that took a 16-year-old child and gang raped her four times each.
00:35:43.000The second trial is probably, I don't know, more ludicrous, who knows?
00:35:48.000The second trial is probably more of a landmark case in that it pretty much constitutes blasphemy law here in the UK, which is a new thing, but Britain's now Sharia compliant.
00:36:03.000So I'm looking at, with the two together, up to four years in prison.
00:36:09.000And you're almost definitely going to get at least some time.
00:36:12.000Yeah, I mean, they've basically said that, well, I mean, I have legal counsel, and I've entered a not guilty plea on all four charges relating to the grooming gang, the rapist gang.
00:36:26.000And my first appearance for the other trial is on the 14th of December in Belfast.
00:36:30.000But interestingly, for that one, the speech that I gave was on the 6th of August.
00:36:35.000It was at an anti-terror rally, which was all-encompassing.
00:36:39.000I think we discussed all different sects of terrorism.
00:36:42.000There aren't a lot of Sikh or Hindu or Jewish terrorists here in Britain, or Christian for that matter.
00:36:49.000So they didn't really get a shout-out, but we did mention the Islamic terrorism and, of course, the Republican terrorism, which is a pretty big issue over in Northern Ireland.
00:37:11.000They drove me for six hours to Liverpool, put me on a ferry overnight for eight hours, guarded by four PSNI officers, took me to Belfast, had me in custody for 24 hours, interrogated me for four hours, and then charged me with what they described upon my arrest as giving an anti-Islamic speech.
00:39:11.000I mean, it's the problem is that what you have to look at here, the way I look at this, is if you want to establish who has control over your country, just consider who you can't criticise.
00:39:26.000The fact that I can't criticise an ideology that I've studied, I'm not ignorant.
00:39:33.000You know, people have their own preconceived ideas of who I am and what I'm about.
00:39:39.000And if anybody's genuinely interested and wants to take the time, they could either research or actually ask me themselves.
00:39:45.000But, you know, I've studied these scriptures.
00:40:00.000But it seems that that is what a huge amount of the population have done, is that they've, whether they're Muslim or not, because there's a huge, a vast majority, I believe, of Muslims in this country are completely ignorant to what that book says.
00:40:12.000If they knew, I think if they are arguing that they're law-abiding, peaceful people, and if they actually knew what was being incited in that book, then I'd expect them to turn away from it.
00:40:22.000But even the general population who don't align themselves as Muslims, but they say that we stand with Islam and we're with the Muslims and let's hug a Muslim, we had all of that nonsense when kids were getting scraped off the wall in Manchester, the big campaign, let's light a candle and hug a Muslim on the tube.
00:40:38.000I don't know how that's going to help, but anyway, we gave it a good go.
00:40:42.000But it's this creeping, it's not even creeping anymore, it's picked up a huge amount of pace, but this creeping Sharia and Islamification is extremely dangerous to us all.
00:40:55.000So I sincerely hope that America doesn't go the same way as Britain.
00:41:02.000But equally, I'd like to think that there's some hope for Britain in that America have got this great leader now and he's doing so much for you guys.
00:41:13.000I know he's got to concentrate on you guys at home.
00:41:16.000But just don't forget us because we are really, really in big trouble.
00:41:21.000Well, we won't forget Britain and we won't forget you.
00:41:24.000Let's follow this trial and keep checking in with you because the idea that someone can be arrested for making a speech is anti-Western.
00:41:36.000This is the point that I made is that my grandfather came to this country from Holland.
00:41:41.000In fact, Holland was occupied by the Nazis.
00:41:44.000He came here and he fought the Nazis and he fought them along with the millions of other men and women that fought, bled and died for this country so that I have the right to express my opinion.
00:41:55.000In fact, what I expressed on the day was my opinion with regards to Islam in Northern Ireland and the effect that I expect it would have based on my experience in London.
00:42:06.000And fact, I quoted what it says in the Quran.
00:42:11.000If I'm not free to do that, then I fear the sacrifice of millions has been in vain.
00:42:18.000And that's not something that I'm prepared to take lightly.