Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Get Off My Lawn #65 | MLK Day 2018 Special

00:00:07.000 Very serious problem.

00:00:09.000 Not only does America have a very serious problem, but our people have a very serious problem.

00:00:14.000 America's problem is...

00:00:20.000 Live from New York, it's Get Off My Run with Devin McGuinness.

00:00:26.000 Self-destruction.

00:00:28.000 Get myself destruction.

00:00:31.000 Self-destruction.

00:00:33.000 Get myself destruction.

00:00:35.000 Well, today's topic, self-destruction.

00:00:37.000 It really ain't the rap audience.

00:00:40.000 That was KRS-1.

00:00:42.000 Self-destruction.

00:00:44.000 KRS-1 was a homeless man who got into rap and decided I'm going to spread a positive message.

00:00:51.000 And that song is about how blacks are hurting themselves. 0.99

00:00:54.000 Self-destruction is the song.

00:00:56.000 And it featured KRS-1 and a bunch of rappers.

00:01:00.000 And it's amazing to hear this in today's day and age because the whole song is about culpability and how we need to clean up our communities.

00:01:07.000 We need to stop so much violence.

00:01:09.000 We need to stop this black-on-black violence. 1.00

00:01:11.000 We need to stop crime.

00:01:12.000 We need to keep our families together, stop abandoning our loved ones and our wives and our children.

00:01:17.000 You go, can we have some more of that, please?

00:01:19.000 Now, Chuck D, he's a social justice warrior now who makes videos that include my head blowing up.

00:01:26.000 But back then in the 90s, he was also of this mindset.

00:01:30.000 And it's kind of crazy to hear his verse in this song.

00:01:33.000 Let's just check this out shortly, shall we?

00:01:54.000 Did you hear that?

00:01:56.000 Plus, we have to keep ourselves in check.

00:01:58.000 That's amazing.

00:01:59.000 Just to be clear here, those lyrics are MC Light, Daddy O, D Nice, Dougie Fresh is on that song.

00:02:09.000 Where is it now?

00:02:10.000 Sorry.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 Instead, in our head, you know, our job to build and collect ourselves with intellect, to revolve, to evolve, to self-respect, because we got to keep ourselves in check or else it's and then boom.

00:02:25.000 Today is the Martin Luther King episode.

00:02:27.000 It's all MLK all the time.

00:02:29.000 We've got Talib Starks and Jim Goad on.

00:02:33.000 We're going to discuss the greatness of Martin Luther King and also the foibles.

00:02:38.000 He's rarely humanized.

00:02:40.000 People don't know about the prostitutes and the plagiarism and the drinking and the rude quips and his love of guns and his conservative values.

00:02:50.000 He wouldn't have liked the pants down at the ankles.

00:02:52.000 He wouldn't have liked the Tariq Nasheed and all these social justice warriors.

00:02:57.000 Black Lives Matter, I don't know if Martin Luther King would support Black Lives Matter.

00:03:01.000 I think he would see it for the fake victimization that it is.

00:03:06.000 Of course, we'll never know because a sanitation worker shot him for disrespecting the mob.

00:03:11.000 That's his theory we'll get into on today's show.

00:03:13.000 But let's start with Jimmy Goad.

00:03:16.000 Mr. Jim Goad, are you there?

00:03:18.000 Oh, here, there, and everywhere.

00:03:20.000 It is Martin Luther King Day today.

00:03:23.000 Yeah, I'm celebrating.

00:03:24.000 I am celebrating.

00:03:24.000 Are you?

00:03:25.000 You know, you have to tread lightly with this guy because he is a sacred cow in America.

00:03:32.000 Well, that's exactly where I don't tread lightly.

00:03:34.000 I mean, these icons, you know, it's always a front.

00:03:38.000 They're being used for a purpose.

00:03:39.000 He was not a saint.

00:03:40.000 I don't even know if he would say that he was, but he's been made into a saint.

00:03:43.000 But he was deeply flawed.

00:03:45.000 And I'd like to get into all of his flaws.

00:03:48.000 Well, as someone who, my job is to keep it interesting, everyone who's watching TV today is going to hear about how great he was.

00:03:55.000 And he did.

00:03:56.000 I think it would be important if you're a second-class citizen to fight for equality in that country.

00:04:01.000 If I had, you know, people with beards had different drinking fountains, I would be mad as a bearded man.

00:04:07.000 But everyone's going to hear about that.

00:04:09.000 So let's talk about the bad stuff for a moment.

00:04:11.000 Sure, sure.

00:04:14.000 The speech that put him on the map, of course, the speech everyone refers to, the speech everyone remembers, is, I have a dream.

00:04:20.000 Yes, and parts of that were plagiarized from Archibald Carey Jr., 1952 speech from another black preacher.

00:04:26.000 So he was appropriating black culture in that speech.

00:04:30.000 And I think his PhD dissertation, large chunks of that were plagiarized.

00:04:34.000 And there was one other thing.

00:04:35.000 What did I have here?

00:04:38.000 His first public sermon, he plagiarized parts of that.

00:04:41.000 So yeah, he was a word thief.

00:04:43.000 And that's like, you know, if you're a comedian, joke thief, you don't like them.

00:04:46.000 I'm a writer.

00:04:46.000 I don't like plagiarists.

00:04:48.000 Well, people are going to say, how does Jim Goad know this?

00:04:51.000 Why am I trusting him?

00:04:52.000 And the reason I had you on the show is you are very careful about your facts.

00:04:57.000 In fact, I've offered people $100 for any mistake they can find in the Redneck Manifesto. 0.92

00:05:02.000 I'm a Wolverine with that stuff.

00:05:04.000 As far as I know, the only things I got wrong in the Redneck book were two dates.

00:05:08.000 That's it.

00:05:09.000 But it didn't change the meaning of anything.

00:05:10.000 And I'll cop to it.

00:05:11.000 I'm going to do an audiobook of it, and I'll change the dates.

00:05:13.000 So it'll be perfect then.

00:05:15.000 Oh, great.

00:05:15.000 So there's $200 floating around now that someone can get off me.

00:05:19.000 And it wasn't just the speech he plagiarized.

00:05:21.000 It was his dissertation.

00:05:23.000 His PhD was largely false, was it not?

00:05:26.000 And he was a doctor.

00:05:26.000 Yes, yes.

00:05:27.000 I always made the joke, people never asked what he was a doctor of, and I always say podiatry.

00:05:33.000 But I think it was theology, right?

00:05:35.000 But yeah, he plagiarized huge parts of his dissertation.

00:05:37.000 Allegedly, I wasn't there.

00:05:39.000 But that doesn't get around much.

00:05:40.000 Well, the thing about the plagiarizing the dissertation, few contend that.

00:05:47.000 I noticed Snopes is very pro-liberal.

00:05:50.000 They're very pro-MLK.

00:05:52.000 But even they, they will concede that he plagiarized the dissertation.

00:05:55.000 Then they'll say, but that doesn't trivialize his incredible accomplishments.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, well, they're not writers, really.

00:06:03.000 I'm a writer.

00:06:03.000 It pisses me off.

00:06:04.000 Can we say piss?

00:06:05.000 Yes, you may say piss.

00:06:07.000 All right.

00:06:07.000 Okay, so we've got...

00:06:12.000 Right.

00:06:12.000 Let's get into the worst of it.

00:06:14.000 What would you say the worst of the shit is that he's done?

00:06:17.000 Well, according to Ralph David Abernathy, cited by Michael Eric Dyson, who's a real bulldozing buffalo of a pro-black activist these days, the morning of the day he got shot in Memphis.

00:06:31.000 He had spent the night, MLK had allegedly spent the night with three prostitutes.

00:06:36.000 That morning, he got into a violent fight with a white prostitute.

00:06:40.000 And here's citing Ralph David Abernathy here.

00:06:44.000 King shouted and knocked her across the bed. 1.00

00:06:46.000 It was more of a shove than a real blow, but for a short man, he was 5'7, and I can't make enough of that, Martin had a prodigious strength that always surprised me.

00:06:55.000 She leapt up to fight, and for a moment, they were engaged in a full-blown fight with Martin clearly winning.

00:07:01.000 Okay, not one to judge here, but hey, if I'm going to get judged, I'm going to drag him down with me.

00:07:08.000 Yeah, and that guy who said that, again, people don't know who he is.

00:07:12.000 He's a black civil rights activist.

00:07:14.000 We've heard this rumor quite a bit that Martin Luther King indulged in white prostitutes.

00:07:18.000 I remember hearing a quote, I think it was the CIA, who said that he was having sex with these prostitutes and he'd say, I'm fucking for Jesus now.

00:07:28.000 The quote I got was, I'm fucking for God.

00:07:31.000 The problem, and I hate this, his records won't be unsealed until 2027.

00:07:35.000 I bet there's a lot of fun stuff in there.

00:07:38.000 I think it was the order of his widow.

00:07:39.000 They were sealed for 50 years.

00:07:41.000 So we won't know that.

00:07:42.000 But I'd love that to be verified.

00:07:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:45.000 I got to say that one.

00:07:47.000 Well, you hear them a few times.

00:07:48.000 I've got to take that line.

00:07:51.000 You hear about the white prostitutes a lot. 0.99

00:07:52.000 I've even heard accusations that he used church money to...

00:07:59.000 I'm not sure if that's church money or that's a private organization, but yeah, to have orgies.

00:08:04.000 And hey, you know, I think if you're going to have orgies, do it on your own time.

00:08:10.000 Do it on your own time, your own dime, and in private.

00:08:13.000 Bit of a leech.

00:08:15.000 Now, this is just salacious gossip.

00:08:17.000 Those are nanny state orgies that he was having.

00:08:19.000 Salacious gossip.

00:08:20.000 Go ahead.

00:08:21.000 But there's fundamental problems with the man.

00:08:24.000 For example, he was a fervent communist.

00:08:28.000 Well, I mean, okay, what did he say?

00:08:32.000 He said, I've got some quotes here.

00:08:34.000 Things such as profit motives and property rights, he decried that.

00:08:38.000 He decried the capitalists of the West, and he encouraged his listeners to question the capitalistic economy.

00:08:46.000 His longtime advisor, Bayard Rustin.

00:08:49.000 Bayard?

00:08:50.000 Who names the kid?

00:08:50.000 Bayard.

00:08:51.000 Bayard Rustin.

00:08:52.000 Was an organizer for the Young Communist League.

00:08:55.000 His speechwriter, book editor, event organizer, PR handler, tax advisor, and fundraising kingpin, Stanley David Levison, was a leader of the Communist Party USA and reportedly received a lot of money from the Soviets.

00:09:09.000 That's quite a lot of, I mean, isn't that worse than visiting the Daily Stormer?

00:09:14.000 I don't know.

00:09:15.000 That's direct.

00:09:16.000 The American left has to come to terms with the fact that Nazis are not a threat and communists are, and that has almost always been the case.

00:09:26.000 The funny thing about McCarthyism is it was justified. 0.92

00:09:29.000 Yes, they were hunting Commies. 0.74

00:09:30.000 Commies are bad. 1.00

00:09:33.000 As far as, I mean, I don't know too much about what the Nazis did with censorship and thought control, but that was the thing about communists. 0.65

00:09:41.000 You had to look over your back.

00:09:42.000 You were afraid to think.

00:09:44.000 And that rubs me the wrong way.

00:09:45.000 Some people like to be told what to think and to get in line.

00:09:48.000 But yeah, not a big fan of communism.

00:09:50.000 You won't see that on TV these days, though.

00:09:51.000 It's just Nazis all the time. 0.91

00:09:53.000 Nazis 24-7. 0.60

00:09:54.000 Yeah, Michael Malas blew my mind with that when he talked about these communist regimes where these spies will often turn in family members.

00:10:01.000 So you're talking to your family at dinner, nervous that they're going to take something out of context or even frame you.

00:10:09.000 That's the climate of communism.

00:10:11.000 Yeah, and as far as the Frankfurt School goes, there was a book, The Authoritarian Personality.

00:10:15.000 There's a chapter in there where they interviewed kids.

00:10:19.000 And if the kids liked their parents and were happy with their family, the diagnosis was they were mentally ill.

00:10:26.000 If a kid thought that their parents were messed up and hated them, that was a healthy, honest kid.

00:10:32.000 That's insidious how, yeah, they want to get in there with a crowbar and just mess up every family.

00:10:36.000 So, I mean, that gives the state more control.

00:10:38.000 The family is kind of a bulwark against the state sometimes.

00:10:42.000 It's an insidious plague.

00:10:43.000 And I remember a long time Ago, you said to me, this made me want to write a book and just permanently ostracize myself forever, but you said to me something about the fall of Detroit and how it had to do with cheap black labor shattering the unions, and it was all a big sort of a deep state ploy. 0.72

00:11:03.000 I don't know about deep state.

00:11:04.000 I think it was Henry Ford deliberately brought black workers up from the South to give them cheaper wages.

00:11:11.000 And other automakers, yeah.

00:11:12.000 And blacks were used. 0.89

00:11:13.000 And I mean, that's what's happening now with Mexican labor. 0.97

00:11:18.000 It's diversity, no, it's conflict to get cheap labor.

00:11:22.000 At least that's what I see it as.

00:11:23.000 And yeah, Detroit fell for a lot of reasons.

00:11:26.000 Rioting.

00:11:27.000 Places where they riot.

00:11:28.000 When do they ever recover?

00:11:30.000 I've never seen that.

00:11:31.000 Well, especially if it's a black neighborhood, especially if it's on Martin Luther King Boulevard. 0.98

00:11:36.000 That's the thing.

00:11:36.000 There's like over 100 in America, and I think it was a Chris Rock routine.

00:11:39.000 You know to stay away from Martin Luther King Boulevard.

00:11:42.000 That's the end result is 100 Martin Luther King Boulevards where you're not supposed to go at night.

00:11:46.000 I don't know.

00:11:46.000 I mean, I think a lot of desegregation messed up the black community because the professional class moved out.

00:11:52.000 And so you have this lump and proletariat who sells credit. 1.00

00:11:55.000 And there's nothing, you know, nobody wants to have a store there because there's hostility and people are poor.

00:12:01.000 So yeah, I think, you know, maybe people want to look twice about desegregation.

00:12:06.000 Some of the after effects were pretty bad for blacks.

00:12:09.000 Well, it seems that blacks are trying to re-segregate. 1.00

00:12:11.000 I mean, we've got colleges where they want black-only spaces, where they're having black-only proms, black-only graduations. 0.87

00:12:17.000 They talk about gentrification like it's genocide.

00:12:22.000 Yeah, I mean, well, if you want to talk about numbers, I guess, black abortion rates, I mean, as far as black lives mattering, there are other things to worry about besides yuppies in skinny jeans. 0.99

00:12:32.000 I don't think that's their biggest problem.

00:12:35.000 So can we, it sounds though like a communist could make the argument that capitalism, and we're going a little off topic here, but capitalism ruined Detroit because Henry Ford used cheap labor to shatter the unions.

00:12:50.000 That sounds like a pretty pro-socialist and pro-MLK argument.

00:12:54.000 I guess, but then the problem with the communists is a lot of people criticize me that I've changed since the Redneck Manifesto back then.

00:13:03.000 I envisioned this broad coalition.

00:13:04.000 I don't think that's going to work because people...

00:13:07.000 are tribal.

00:13:08.000 But the way they've got it set up now, you're a socialist, you're pro-worker, but if you're white, you have to not be white. 0.86

00:13:13.000 And if you're black, you can bask in that all the live-long day. 0.62

00:13:17.000 And that's not a formula for harmony.

00:13:19.000 I mean, either tell everyone to get rid of it or tell everyone, hey, wear your own racial badge, but just don't get into a fistfight about it.

00:13:27.000 They offer a divisive plan for workers.

00:13:29.000 And I think it's about displacement and driving wages down.

00:13:33.000 That's what immigration has always been. 0.99

00:13:35.000 There's a difference between settlers and immigrants.

00:13:37.000 We're a nation of settlers first.

00:13:39.000 The immigrants came later.

00:13:40.000 And they were Italian, and I had problems with them as a kid, so still got a grudge. 1.00

00:13:44.000 Well, the way I justify it is I say we have to play by the same rules.

00:13:48.000 So everyone else has borders.

00:13:50.000 We have to have borders.

00:13:51.000 Now, once we have borders, we can have the free market go bananas.

00:13:55.000 But without those borders, the free market can't go bananas because there's a leak in the boat and that's going to sink with cheap labor.

00:14:02.000 It's cheating.

00:14:03.000 I mean, I'm more pessimistic.

00:14:03.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 I don't know if people get along regardless of if we have walls or not.

00:14:09.000 Who knows?

00:14:10.000 I'm pessimistic about human nature.

00:14:12.000 I always said if it was just identical twins left over on the earth, they'd have the way to play Crips and Bloods.

00:14:18.000 I think conflict's inevitable with people.

00:14:21.000 All right, so we can bring it all back here.

00:14:23.000 Detroit may have been ruined by Ford bringing in blacks for cheap labor. 1.00

00:14:28.000 I'm sure King would be a fan of that.

00:14:31.000 But King was also a communist and a socialist.

00:14:35.000 And his assassination, we don't have a lot of information on it.

00:14:39.000 There's a lot of conspiracy theories.

00:14:41.000 But you were talking to me earlier about it being linked to sanitation strike?

00:14:47.000 Yeah, there was Memphis sanitation workers' strike, and King thought that the black trashmen were getting the raw end of the deal. 1.00

00:14:54.000 No idea whether that's true or not.

00:14:56.000 But he led a march earlier that ended in violence.

00:14:59.000 He preached nonviolence, but there was violence at some of his rallies.

00:15:03.000 Whether he can be blamed for that or not, I mean, you go back to a Charlottesville thing.

00:15:07.000 I mean, placing blame is not a game that I get into.

00:15:10.000 The fact is that people smashed, some of the people who were at the tail end of his last rally in Memphis smashed windows and there was violence.

00:15:17.000 Allegedly, he was warned, don't come back.

00:15:19.000 I know it's a free country, but there was more of a context there.

00:15:23.000 I'm not sure.

00:15:24.000 Well, you know, the march never came off, so he was shocked.

00:15:26.000 But it had something to do with the sanitation worker strike and him coming back after being warned not to.

00:15:32.000 People can make of that what they will.

00:15:34.000 The thing that always fascinates me is Jesse Jackson.

00:15:36.000 You don't hear much about him anymore.

00:15:38.000 He's kind of gone under, but his lie about holding King, his bleeding, dying body in his arms like Mary with Jesus in the Pieta statue.

00:15:48.000 I mean, Jesse Jackson, that's a whole different topic.

00:15:50.000 He was sued about five years ago.

00:15:52.000 I wrote about that for, I guess, like molesting a gay guy or coming onto a gay guy. 0.77

00:15:57.000 Oh, really?

00:15:58.000 Aruba Tommy or something, like a real gay, jumping, fruity, gay black guy. 1.00

00:16:03.000 It was Aruba Tommy, I think his name was.

00:16:05.000 And to be clear, he did not hold Martin Luther King in his arms.

00:16:09.000 That was a lie.

00:16:10.000 Other people have said that's not true.

00:16:12.000 Again, I mean, all journalists, first rule, I wasn't there.

00:16:16.000 I don't know.

00:16:17.000 This is what I've heard.

00:16:19.000 Can't ever state anything as a fact unless you were there with your iPhone.

00:16:23.000 Okay, so it's possible that there was a riot with the sanitation strike.

00:16:27.000 Sanitation guys, mobster guys, said, don't ever do that again.

00:16:31.000 He came back, and then they say, hey, James Earl Ray, go in there and take care of that guy.

00:16:36.000 He didn't listen to this warning.

00:16:38.000 Possible.

00:16:38.000 I don't know if he was a lone wolf.

00:16:40.000 I don't know enough about that to have a comment.

00:16:42.000 I remember going to the Lorain Motel back in the 80s when I was a public enemy fan and was a fan of MLK and especially Malcolm X and cheap little Chinsey Hotel.

00:16:53.000 One thing I know about Memphis now is it's one of the worst cities in America.

00:16:57.000 Terrifying.

00:16:58.000 The last time I was there was 10 years ago.

00:17:00.000 And Atlanta has a bad rep. Atlanta's not nearly as bad as Memphis.

00:17:03.000 Memphis is overwhelmingly black, really poor, dangerous. 1.00

00:17:08.000 The hairs on your neck kind of stand up.

00:17:11.000 That's, I guess, the legacy there.

00:17:15.000 He hasn't done much for that city, I guess.

00:17:17.000 Memphis is a terrifying place.

00:17:19.000 Well, there's Malcolm X and there's Martin Luther King.

00:17:24.000 And it's like there's Coke and there's Pepsi.

00:17:27.000 There's the Rolling Stones and the Beatles.

00:17:29.000 I feel like we're Malcolm X guys.

00:17:32.000 We're the Rolling Stones and MLK is the Beatles.

00:17:36.000 MLK was just, I guess, you know, he was a light version of it.

00:17:42.000 Like in Malcolm X. I guess, okay, MLK was cocaine and Malcolm X was crack.

00:17:47.000 I'm a crack header.

00:17:48.000 I like crack better.

00:17:50.000 I mean, he was braver, but again, Malcolm X, he thought that whites were created by an evil scientist.

00:17:56.000 For a bit.

00:17:56.000 He was Nation of Islam for a bit, but then he abandoned that and said, that doesn't make any sense.

00:18:01.000 I'm out.

00:18:02.000 But he was still Islamic and, I guess, more communist and one world type of guy. 0.99

00:18:09.000 But I think what got him killed, allegedly, wasn't there, but he ratted out Elijah Muhammad for being a philanderer himself.

00:18:17.000 These guys, these religious guys with power, they're all macking, every one of them. 1.00

00:18:22.000 Yeah, well, especially the short ones like MLK, because they didn't get pussy when they were in their teens and they got a lot of catching up to do. 0.93

00:18:29.000 He's got a chocolate Napoleon complex.

00:18:31.000 He's making up for lost time.

00:18:32.000 Chocolate Napoleon on Martin Luther King Day.

00:18:35.000 What blasphemy.

00:18:37.000 Let's temper this blasphemy with, do we have anything good to say about him?

00:18:41.000 He loved guns.

00:18:42.000 I heard that when he was shot, he was waiting for his gun permit.

00:18:46.000 I mean, I don't know if he was masochistic, but he was brave.

00:18:50.000 And he got killed.

00:18:51.000 I mean, they put him in jail and he didn't shut up.

00:18:54.000 Great orator.

00:18:55.000 Don't know if he was good at oral sex.

00:18:57.000 Black guys allegedly don't like doing that.

00:18:59.000 But great speaker.

00:19:01.000 Great speaker.

00:19:02.000 Wonderful speaker.

00:19:03.000 And try to do a speech that people are still talking about 100 years later.

00:19:07.000 That's a real accomplishment.

00:19:09.000 I would have lost the mustache, but otherwise, yeah.

00:19:12.000 Good speaker and brave and believed in his cause, you know, maybe fanatically, maybe, you know, a little bit too much.

00:19:19.000 Who knows what he'd be doing today?

00:19:21.000 I don't know.

00:19:21.000 He'd probably just have a reality show.

00:19:24.000 Well, Thaddeus Russell.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, look at that mustache.

00:19:28.000 At least he wore a suit.

00:19:29.000 Thaddeus Russell was talking about how he was essentially a conservative.

00:19:33.000 And if he was around today, he would hate ghetto culture. 0.98

00:19:36.000 He'd hate low-slung jeans.

00:19:38.000 He'd hate names like, as Raven Simone points out, Watermelandria.

00:19:43.000 Not that Raven is any kind of a name.

00:19:46.000 Yeah, but I guess he'd be like Bill Cosby, too.

00:19:48.000 He'd be dissing the black community, and then it'd come out that he was beating white hookers or something and giving them Kwaylots, and he'd have a downfall. 0.98

00:19:56.000 If he wasn't going against the narrative, they'd find a way to lynch him, I think.

00:20:00.000 Yeah, he would be part of the Me Too movement.

00:20:02.000 He'd be one of these scandals that just came out.

00:20:05.000 I mean, and again, in a rape trial, that mustache is not going to look good.

00:20:09.000 Well, I think he may have updated it over the past half century.

00:20:14.000 Now, outside of being a communist, he also wasn't very popular with the American public back then.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, I mean, I wrote an article called I'm So Bored with MLK about five years ago.

00:20:25.000 At the time, his approval rating among Americans was 94%.

00:20:28.000 I'm sure it's closer to 100% now.

00:20:31.000 In his lifetime, from what I've read, his approval rating in the American public was never higher than a third.

00:20:37.000 He was not a popular guy.

00:20:38.000 He was seen for selling division and riots and everything that people who hated the 60s hated about the 60s.

00:20:44.000 And I think you can still find him on YouTube.

00:20:47.000 There's a country artist, Johnny Rebel, who's an explicit racial content warning.

00:20:55.000 But he mentions King quite a lot in his songs and blames him for a lot of the problems and for desegregation.

00:21:02.000 But it's good to listen to Johnny Rebel at least once in your life.

00:21:06.000 I recommend his music.

00:21:09.000 There's a lot of lyrics about King in there.

00:21:11.000 I had a friend who would put him on at parties and just let it play in the background, and you'd slowly see people go, what the hell did that just say?

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.000 It's like it sounds just like old honky tonk, but then he's talking about going alligator hunting.

00:21:25.000 You put two and two together.

00:21:26.000 It's like, wow.

00:21:27.000 Because it's so much more offensive.

00:21:29.000 You would use it to clear rooms back in the late 80s and early 90s.

00:21:32.000 So wait a minute.

00:21:33.000 Maybe MLK was unpopular because America was racist.

00:21:37.000 Well, or, you know, they didn't want what they saw, their own culture being destroyed.

00:21:42.000 I don't know.

00:21:43.000 I'm not one to ever go after motive.

00:21:45.000 I don't know what their motives were.

00:21:46.000 It was unpopular, I think, because people didn't like those sort of policies back then.

00:21:50.000 And, you know, people who were framing the narrative didn't like his policies, maybe.

00:21:55.000 I don't know.

00:21:56.000 I'm not sure why it was unpopular.

00:21:57.000 Maybe they didn't like his mustache.

00:21:58.000 I would have said, no, I don't like him just based on his mustache.

00:22:01.000 But surely we both agree that Martin Luther King was right in that America cannot have different rules for different races.

00:22:12.000 I mean, I guess a nation can't, yeah.

00:22:15.000 But yeah, I think he was used as a tool for bigger government.

00:22:19.000 I think a lot of the civil rights stuff was that was a ruse or a cover, at least, for just expanding federal power.

00:22:27.000 And it really had nothing to do with rights.

00:22:29.000 He was just an effective pawn.

00:22:32.000 I think in a lot of ways.

00:22:35.000 I wonder what his approval ratings are among whites versus blacks these days.

00:22:39.000 That would be interesting to check out and get your fact checkers on that one.

00:22:43.000 I wonder if whites worship him more than blacks do. 0.82

00:22:46.000 Blacks might see him as a sellout.

00:22:47.000 Yeah, I bet you're right.

00:22:50.000 The last thing on my list here is, and this doesn't really go with the flow, but I have to get it in there.

00:22:55.000 He hated JFK.

00:22:58.000 I don't know if he hate, but allegedly, according to quotes, what do you say?

00:23:02.000 Bobby Kennedy told Jackie Onassis that he arrived drunk at JFK's funeral and was making jokes about how the pallbearers almost dropped the casket.

00:23:14.000 And also, there's FBI surveillance tape where allegedly he's watching footage of the funeral and seeing Jackie hanging over the casket.

00:23:23.000 And MLK says, look at her, sucking him off one last time.

00:23:29.000 And you know what?

00:23:30.000 Me hearing that, I like him more.

00:23:32.000 I know, that's so offensive that it's endearing.

00:23:36.000 I don't think most Americans, it doesn't go with the public image.

00:23:39.000 So I guess I'm an iconoclast.

00:23:42.000 You know, there are people worth admiring, but when it gets too much, like it's gotten with MLK, I take a perverse delight in taking him down a couple notches and making him human again.

00:23:50.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:23:51.000 I respect him.

00:23:52.000 I obviously think that he was a great man, a great orator.

00:23:56.000 I believe in desegregation. 1.00

00:23:58.000 I believe that everyone has to have the same rights.

00:24:00.000 People aren't equal, but people have the right to pursue everything equally.

00:24:06.000 They should be equal under the law, but there are dumb people and smart people, etc.

00:24:10.000 How about freedom of association?

00:24:12.000 Should they be able to self-segregate?

00:24:13.000 What if you don't want to hang around anyone?

00:24:16.000 Absolutely.

00:24:16.000 If you want to have a black prom, go Banana's.

00:24:19.000 If you don't want to bake a cake for gays, go Benenes. 1.00

00:24:22.000 How did you know I wanted to have a black prom?

00:24:25.000 Because I knew you were alluding to it.

00:24:27.000 It's the elephant in the room.

00:24:28.000 Let's get it over with.

00:24:29.000 The answer is yes.

00:24:30.000 This is Atlanta.

00:24:33.000 Easy pickings.

00:24:34.000 Yeah, can you go to a black prom if you're white? 0.68

00:24:36.000 I don't know.

00:24:37.000 I don't know.

00:24:38.000 What if you just enjoy black culture, your girlfriend's black, you'd like to go to the black prom? 1.00

00:24:42.000 I'm not the type to go where I'm not wanted, but I mean, I think that's the definition of an asshole.

00:24:42.000 I bet you can.

00:24:47.000 But, you know, I wouldn't.

00:24:49.000 I think it'd be funny if somebody got like a wedgie or something for going uninvited to a black prom. 0.99

00:24:54.000 Yeah, that would be an amusing wedgie.

00:24:57.000 And I like that he was into guns.

00:24:59.000 I like that he was into self-empowerment.

00:25:01.000 But he's been turned into a saint, which is disingenuous.

00:25:07.000 It's inhuman.

00:25:08.000 I don't think King would have supported it.

00:25:11.000 And he was a fallible man.

00:25:12.000 He was a short man.

00:25:13.000 He was a horny man.

00:25:15.000 He had some corrupt tendencies, and he cheated quite a bit.

00:25:18.000 He was a plagiarist.

00:25:20.000 He was a philanderer.

00:25:22.000 And don't take that away from someone.

00:25:25.000 That's part of being a human man.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, that just makes him human and more colorful.

00:25:30.000 Like I said, hearing him say, look at her, sucking him up one more time. 0.97

00:25:32.000 It's like, oh, cool.

00:25:34.000 I said, I didn't like Bill Clinton until I learned he got a blowjob while eating pizza and talking on the phone to Congress.

00:25:39.000 It's like, all right, now I like him.

00:25:42.000 I wish they would do that in movies more, too.

00:25:44.000 Especially black people, like Don Cheadle before House of Cards, in every movie, he's such a god, like such a sweet man.

00:25:52.000 You go, the movie could kill this guy right now, and I wouldn't care because I don't know anything about him.

00:25:56.000 He's just a chocolate popsicle standing there being Adam Sandler's friend because Adam Sandler's family died in 9-11.

00:26:02.000 And like with MLK approval ratings, I wonder if you polled black people about saintly depictions of blacks in movies, if they believe it more, or if white people do.

00:26:10.000 I would think white people believe it more.

00:26:13.000 Well, while we're polling blacks, I have a fun idea. 0.97

00:26:15.000 We've had Hamilton...

00:26:17.000 That can be painful.

00:26:18.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:26:20.000 Hamilton has rewritten American history with blacks and Puerto Ricans as all the stars.

00:26:25.000 And we have black Nordic gods.

00:26:28.000 We have black Achilles now is going to be done by a black guy. 1.00

00:26:32.000 The Honeymooners has been blackified.

00:26:34.000 Kickass is a blackified. 1.00

00:26:35.000 Dave Chappelle to the Black Klansman. 0.80

00:26:37.000 That's appropriation.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:40.000 Dave Chappelle.

00:26:41.000 Clinton Bigsby, that was that guy.

00:26:43.000 So if that's okay to do, and if we are uptight, if that bothers us, then would it be okay for us to have Conan O'Brien play MLK in the next depiction of him?

00:26:54.000 Is that all right?

00:26:55.000 I don't like Conan O'Brien, but I love the idea just because it would be so awkward.

00:27:00.000 We can give him an Afro wig, but if Hamilton, if there's no problem with Hamilton, why can't Conan be MLK?

00:27:00.000 Yeah, why not?

00:27:08.000 Okay, 5'7".

00:27:09.000 It might even be a little shorter, but Patton Oswalt as an LK. 0.72

00:27:13.000 Patton Oswalt, that's a much better – He's more wide.

00:27:17.000 Conan is too skinny.

00:27:19.000 He's like a penny.

00:27:20.000 He could rock that mustache, too.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:23.000 Nothing wrong with it.

00:27:24.000 I mean, that's the whole thing.

00:27:25.000 People, I've been saying this for a quarter century.

00:27:29.000 People need to lighten up more jokes, more racial jokes, more slurs coming from every side.

00:27:34.000 That's the only way to get everyone sane again.

00:27:36.000 Otherwise, it is like a Soviet environment where you can't even breathe. 0.96

00:27:39.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:27:40.000 America was much less racist when it was an archie bunker nation because it's called ball busting. 0.99

00:27:48.000 Cops do it every day. 0.99

00:27:50.000 That one cop gets a haircut that looks funny, his name's haircut for the rest of his life.

00:27:54.000 That's the way it works.

00:27:55.000 But we can't do that with minorities. 1.00

00:27:57.000 So you just go, all right, well, I'm not going to go near them.

00:27:59.000 There's too many rules.

00:28:00.000 I'm not going to think about them.

00:28:01.000 I'm not going to utter their name.

00:28:02.000 They're like that Harry Potter word.

00:28:05.000 Yeah, I mean, and I think, at least in my experiences with non-whites, they appreciate that more. 1.00

00:28:10.000 I think no one they distrust more than a cautious white person.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, African American is just a really racist term.

00:28:18.000 When I hear someone say it, they sound like they're scared of blacks.

00:28:21.000 Same with person of color. 0.89

00:28:23.000 It's like they're talking about something that they have to touch with kid gloves.

00:28:26.000 And as an editor, person of color is just an awkward way to say colored person.

00:28:31.000 It adds a word.

00:28:32.000 It adds an unnecessary preposition.

00:28:34.000 It's the same thing.

00:28:34.000 But one's offensive is like, guys, you don't make any sense.

00:28:37.000 Lighten up.

00:28:38.000 Call them coons. 1.00

00:28:39.000 Whatever you want.

00:28:40.000 I don't care.

00:28:41.000 Humor.

00:28:41.000 Got to bring it back.

00:28:42.000 People are going nuts with taking things too seriously, and it's suffocating.

00:28:45.000 They do call them coons. 1.00

00:28:46.000 Conservative blacks get called coons every day.

00:28:49.000 They brought back the word.

00:28:51.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, nogs, all sorts of, they have all sorts of derogatory ashada.

00:28:56.000 The hoteps have a bunch of great insults for these guys. 1.00

00:29:00.000 But yeah, more racial jokes.

00:29:02.000 And just the MLK, when you think of them, think of them beating up a white hooker and saying, look at him sucking him off one more time. 0.61

00:29:11.000 Be more human.

00:29:12.000 Or at least include that in the depiction of the man with all the great stuff, with all the halos.

00:29:17.000 Throw in some dirt too.

00:29:19.000 If you want to have a Netflix thing with him being redeemed at the end and the sun shining on him, fine.

00:29:24.000 But yeah, he's human.

00:29:26.000 My God, they're all human.

00:29:27.000 I'm sure Jesus masturbated.

00:29:29.000 Something like they're all human.

00:29:31.000 Jesus didn't fart.

00:29:33.000 Not once.

00:29:34.000 Thanks for coming on the show, Jim.

00:29:35.000 I like you more than a friend, and thank you for injecting a little bit of reality into this pious day.

00:29:41.000 Happy 2018, everyone.

00:29:44.000 The self-destruction is served on the Friday.

00:29:46.000 Making a day, not failing to enjoy.

00:29:48.000 Talib, are you there?

00:29:49.000 Yes, I am here, G-Money.

00:29:52.000 Now, I always like talking black to you because it feels cool, but I haven't really been immersed in that culture since the 90s.

00:29:58.000 So all my stuff is like from NWA and stuff.

00:30:01.000 Like, yo, what's up?

00:30:02.000 Trying to keep it real.

00:30:03.000 This is the MLK episode, and it's on MLK Day.

00:30:08.000 And the man is complicated.

00:30:11.000 I think this whole sainthood that they do of him, it makes him inhuman.

00:30:16.000 I like his foibles.

00:30:18.000 Yeah, I agree with you, man.

00:30:20.000 I like the MLK.

00:30:23.000 I like learning that he talked about other things.

00:30:28.000 He was an actual man.

00:30:30.000 He cared about other issues.

00:30:33.000 You know, one of the issues I remember that doesn't get a lot of play is when he spoke at a church, I believe it was 1961, and he said something about, he talked about the black crime rate in St. Louis.

00:30:47.000 And he said, quote, do you know that Negroes are 10% of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? 0.99

00:30:59.000 We got to face that.

00:31:01.000 And we've got to do something about our moral standards.

00:31:05.000 End quote.

00:31:06.000 And that was MLK that you don't hear about.

00:31:11.000 I haven't heard about this MLK as a kid and as a teenager.

00:31:15.000 Thank God for the internet.

00:31:17.000 Is when I found out that, oh, this guy actually lived in the place where I lived and see what I saw and see and spoke about it.

00:31:27.000 He wasn't necessarily going, we're 10% of the population, but 100% of the issues are because of the white man.

00:31:38.000 He actually turned around and said, no, this is on us, too.

00:31:43.000 And I appreciate that, and I respect that about him.

00:31:45.000 I just want more people to hear this MLK, the unedited.

00:31:49.000 But here's the thing.

00:31:51.000 If you release the unedited version of Dr. King, it will make him one of us.

00:31:59.000 And we don't like to give, when I say one of us, mortals.

00:32:03.000 And he's the only civilian with the statue down there on the mall in the history of the country.

00:32:10.000 And if you attack him and make him mortal, you're attacking the entire black race or American black race. 0.99

00:32:18.000 Yeah, I don't like that.

00:32:19.000 I don't think that's a good way to treat a person is to make them Inhuman.

00:32:24.000 Jim Goad was talking about how at JFK's funeral, as Jackie was leaning over the casket, he said, Look at her sucking him off one last time.

00:32:33.000 He was mad at JFK's reaction to a church burning, so he had beef with JFK during the funeral.

00:32:39.000 And I thought, that's a horrible thing to say.

00:32:42.000 It's also kind of funny.

00:32:44.000 And now I feel like he's more of a person.

00:32:48.000 He has ups and downs.

00:32:49.000 He's a human being.

00:32:51.000 And they ruin him when they turn him into a saint.

00:32:53.000 Yeah, and you know what?

00:32:54.000 They won't.

00:32:55.000 And I had this bet years ago with a friend.

00:32:58.000 When it came time for the Freedom of Information Act to release the files that were accumulated on Dr. King, I said they will never release those files because there's so much in them that it will taint his legacy, well potentially taint his legacy.

00:33:16.000 And so they just need to keep it the way it is.

00:33:20.000 Dr. King is our saint, and saints have to be flawless.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, but you know there's another angle that you're just making me think of right now, which is they don't want the world to know that he was conservative at the end of the day.

00:33:36.000 He was a Christian, and he would have a lot more in common with Talib Starks than Talib Quali.

00:33:43.000 He wouldn't like Tariq Nasheed.

00:33:44.000 He wouldn't like the pants hanging down below the waist.

00:33:48.000 He loved guns.

00:33:49.000 You know what my kids were taught recently?

00:33:51.000 This was at church.

00:33:54.000 The lady, they go to this kids' part of the church during the sermon, and the woman there said that a gun killed Martin Luther King, and she wishes you could get all the guns together and have a giant bonfire.

00:34:04.000 And I get home when the kids tell me that, and I go, Martin Luther King loved guns.

00:34:10.000 You're being lied to.

00:34:12.000 Wow.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:13.000 I mean, here's the thing about Dr. King.

00:34:17.000 He also said, we know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world too. 0.95

00:34:26.000 And I live in a black world.

00:34:28.000 And living in a black world, you need a gun in the urban setting. 1.00

00:34:36.000 And I know black and urban, they're pretty much synonymous.

00:34:38.000 So Dr. King, if he's like Talib Starks, he had a gun.

00:34:43.000 And he knew he needed a gun.

00:34:46.000 I mean, listen, I'm like, I got new guns that I haven't brought out.

00:34:54.000 I haven't unboxed yet.

00:34:56.000 But I'm starting to get guns just for guns' sake.

00:35:00.000 Actually, I think I bear more guns.

00:35:03.000 I'll bear more arms?

00:35:06.000 Bear more arms than short-sleeve shirts.

00:35:10.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:35:13.000 Dana Lash said she has to move.

00:35:15.000 One of the reasons she had to move is because she got too many guns for her house. 1.00

00:35:19.000 She said it was turning into an arsenal, and I needed a bigger room for my gun room.

00:35:24.000 Yeah, you get addicted to them.

00:35:25.000 You got tattoos.

00:35:27.000 Nice.

00:35:28.000 A gun room.

00:35:29.000 You see what I have behind me, right?

00:35:30.000 Yeah, that's a nice gun room.

00:35:32.000 It's beautiful.

00:35:33.000 In the hood, what is the general consensus with Martin Luther King?

00:35:39.000 Do they care about him?

00:35:41.000 I was, I was, yeah, of course you care about Dr. King, but it's Dr. King.

00:35:47.000 You've heard this story 100 times over.

00:35:50.000 So it is what it is.

00:35:54.000 No one goes out of their way for Dr. King.

00:35:56.000 Like it was Dr. King's birthday.

00:35:58.000 Nobody's really like, hey, today's Dr. King's birthday.

00:36:01.000 It has to be sold in a community effort.

00:36:04.000 But if, in fact, Congress says we're going to release some of those files on Dr. King, then you will all of a sudden see everybody become Dr. King's protectors of his legacy.

00:36:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:21.000 So it's more or less, yeah, Dr. King is the man.

00:36:26.000 He is who he is.

00:36:28.000 But if you violate him, if the white man violates him, then it's going to be a problem.

00:36:34.000 But we can ignore what he's done all along.

00:36:38.000 Well, he plagiarized his dissertation.

00:36:40.000 He was addicted to white prostitutes. 0.93

00:36:42.000 He got pretty violent with them.

00:36:44.000 He was a conservative, and he loved guns.

00:36:48.000 That's all part of the man.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, and that's some of the stuff, again, that if it comes out officially, you know, where you can actually read it, like President Trump released some of the, what did he release?

00:37:02.000 What files did he release?

00:37:04.000 JFK?

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, if he releases some of that, some of the Martin Luther King stuff.

00:37:10.000 And, I mean, wow.

00:37:12.000 I have to tell you, when I first read about this stuff, I was devastated because I really thought he was, you know, the black Jesus. 0.98

00:37:20.000 Well, you were like a real militant black teenager, weren't you in the Nation of Islam or something?

00:37:25.000 No, I was, yeah, I was studying Islam.

00:37:28.000 I mean, the Nation of Islam, they were the guys who, you see what they could do with guys coming home from prison, you thought, wow, this guy, before he went in, he was a beast. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Now he's coming out talking about, hey, brother, being pie?

00:37:43.000 No, brother, that's not the way.

00:37:45.000 Yeah, the guys are suitable.

00:37:47.000 And I'm like, wow, what happened to where he transformed from that to this civilized person?

00:37:54.000 And the credit went to the nation of Islam. 0.97

00:37:56.000 So yeah, you know, I was a young militant dude, I mean, because that is what you're immersed in in the hood.

00:38:06.000 Well, at least when I was growing up.

00:38:08.000 Now it's all over the place now.

00:38:10.000 You're just a victim now.

00:38:11.000 You don't need to be militant.

00:38:12.000 You're just like, everything that happens to you is because of systemic racism.

00:38:16.000 And that's it.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 Well, even in hip-hop, I was listening to some song from the 90s, and Chuck D comes on, and it's like a multi-artist song about hip-hop against violence or something.

00:38:29.000 I think it's something KRS-1 started, Stop the Violence.

00:38:32.000 And Chuck D comes on, and in his verse, he's talking about how we have to recognize what we're doing to ourselves and stop the violence and stop the gangs.

00:38:41.000 And we're out of control.

00:38:42.000 And it was all about how we need to solve our own problems and not look to other people.

00:38:47.000 And I go, well, that's a really right-wing attitude.

00:38:50.000 I can't believe that's coming out of Chuck D's Mouth.

00:38:53.000 And then you cut to now, and he's got videos where he's got Trump and my head blowing up, and everything is about victimhood.

00:39:00.000 And white people did this to us.

00:39:01.000 And it's just, it's a really terrible mentality to have for black people.

00:39:06.000 I mean, when you're a victim, that's a terrible life to lead.

00:39:10.000 Yeah, I think the song you were talking about was Self-Destruction.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, that's.

00:39:15.000 TRS-1, Chuck D. And yeah, there was a lot of accountability in that song.

00:39:21.000 And those are songs that don't, you know, nowadays I say won't be made because it's not cool to be accountable anymore.

00:39:28.000 It's like victimhood is the way to go from top to bottom.

00:39:33.000 And it's an easy sell.

00:39:35.000 It's a very easy sell.

00:39:37.000 And sometimes I'm like, yo, I'm in the wrong business because that's where the followers and the money and that's where it is.

00:39:46.000 There's so many people doing that.

00:39:47.000 And they all, everyone who does it, you know, they're successful.

00:39:52.000 Especially a guy.

00:39:53.000 You mentioned Tariq Nasheed.

00:39:54.000 He's one of the top guys.

00:39:55.000 Dr. Umar Johnson is another guy.

00:40:00.000 So yeah, man, victimization.

00:40:02.000 And I always say the letter V sponsors the black community. 0.96

00:40:09.000 Black community is sponsored by the letter V, Sesame Street style. 1.00

00:40:12.000 Yeah, Chadwick Moore is a gay conservative.

00:40:15.000 He's on Tucker Carlson a lot, fellow proud boy like you and me.

00:40:19.000 And he said he was gay and he had this victim mentality his whole life.

00:40:24.000 It's tricky in New York too because everyone's always telling you to f ⁇ off and move and get out of my way.

00:40:29.000 So when you have the victim mentality, you get yelled at, you get insulted on the street and you go, see?

00:40:34.000 You see?

00:40:35.000 They hate homos. 1.00

00:40:36.000 And then one day he just turned that off in his head and he realized, no, everyone's just a jerk in this city and it's not about me.

00:40:43.000 And he was on Tucker saying to this black woman who was all about victimization, he said, if I could put you in a white woman's body, like put your brain in a white woman's body, and just walk around that day, you'd probably see the same abuse, the same lack of respect. 0.88

00:40:58.000 And you'd realize, this isn't my skin color.

00:41:00.000 This is my mentality.

00:41:02.000 Not everything bad is the fault of someone else.

00:41:06.000 And to get into that mentality is to cripple yourself.

00:41:08.000 Absolutely.

00:41:10.000 But there's benefits to being crippled. 0.92

00:41:12.000 That's the problem.

00:41:15.000 When you cripple yourself that way, you get benefits packaged with that.

00:41:20.000 But it's funny.

00:41:21.000 You mentioned the Prowboys.

00:41:22.000 And one time I was, I think I may have mentioned it to one of the reporters when we got together.

00:41:28.000 And yeah, it may have been her.

00:41:32.000 And I said, we talked about the Prowboys. 1.00

00:41:36.000 And I said, yeah, do you know, she was trying to insinuate that word, the Proud Boys, racist?

00:41:40.000 And I said, something like, well, do you understand that the term Yohuru, it's actually an acronym.

00:41:51.000 And it means understanding humanity utilizing racial unification.

00:42:01.000 It may not have been her, somebody who was, but when I put it that way, it was like, oh, so it's an acronym.

00:42:08.000 Yes.

00:42:10.000 And it's so, it's funny how it's so funny how you can take something, someone's belief, and you sprinkle something else in there like I did, and they create a reasonable doubt.

00:42:23.000 And so now, you know, you know, the Proud Boys are, what are we?

00:42:27.000 The shit.

00:42:28.000 We're not racist anymore?

00:42:31.000 You know why that is?

00:42:32.000 Because they don't have the courage of their conviction.

00:42:35.000 Like, you and I can get hammered all day about our beliefs, wrong, wrong, and you just come back, no, that's not what it was.

00:42:42.000 It's 2.6%.

00:42:42.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:44.000 Because we know where we stand.

00:42:46.000 We know what we believe in.

00:42:47.000 But they're just doing it for fashion.

00:42:49.000 They're so fickle that all you need to do is show them one black guy, one gay, one trans conservative, and their whole worldview just collapses like a deck of cards. 0.89

00:43:00.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 I've never seen a deck of cards collapse.

00:43:02.000 Have you?

00:43:03.000 Really?

00:43:04.000 You know what?

00:43:04.000 And I said one time, you said, one time, and I owe you credit for this too.

00:43:10.000 One time I said the word sword.

00:43:13.000 Yes.

00:43:14.000 I pronounced it sword with the W. All black people do that. 1.00

00:43:19.000 And you said the reason why black people pronounce it with the W is because they've never seen a sword before.

00:43:28.000 And I thought, he's fucking right.

00:43:30.000 Oh, somebody can edit that out, right?

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 I'm like, this guy is correct.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, and you don't talk about swords in common parlance, so it never comes up.

00:43:41.000 But you know what?

00:43:42.000 I resent that.

00:43:43.000 Like, I was at the movie theater, and we were watching this trailer for this imminent cartoon about cave people having to face the Bronze Age and getting killed by all these guys in armor and stuff.

00:43:55.000 And I could feel the black people next to me just bored and turning away and then turning back when the Black Panther trailer was on. 0.54

00:44:01.000 And I felt like saying to them, that's your history too.

00:44:05.000 Cavemen, Bronze Age, Ice Age, we all are in this together.

00:44:09.000 That's why I don't like these Confederate statues being taken down.

00:44:12.000 Okay, say that guy was the worst guy ever.

00:44:14.000 That's part of your history too.

00:44:16.000 We all took a long circuitous route of the plague and world wars and blah, blah, blah.

00:44:21.000 And we all arrived here together.

00:44:24.000 No, I agree with you.

00:44:26.000 But so what?

00:44:28.000 And that's what I'm saying.

00:44:31.000 It's so easy to divide.

00:44:33.000 That's where that's where the business is.

00:44:35.000 That's where the money lies.

00:44:36.000 That's where a lot of people draw strength from is through division.

00:44:40.000 And I know people personally who, you know, okay, one time when I went to vote for the, in Philadelphia, for the DA, and in my neighborhood, pretty much no one's voting outside of Democrat.

00:44:58.000 So when you go into the place, there are literally, there's no other party.

00:45:03.000 Like the Democrat Party has it locked.

00:45:05.000 But I was voting for Beth Grossman, the Republican.

00:45:11.000 But these polling places, they don't even entertain the idea that a black person could come in there and even want to cross the aisle.

00:45:22.000 So, when you go into this, when I went into this place, it was pretty much already pushed.

00:45:29.000 They already pushed me right to where I needed to go.

00:45:31.000 And I said, wow, this is no, I don't have an option here.

00:45:35.000 And it kind of got back and forth because I was asking about the candidates.

00:45:38.000 I knew who I would vote for, but I was so intrigued that this was such a one-way line in this supposed to be democracy.

00:45:49.000 And that's because, again, the money, I mean, the business of self-marginalization is where it's at.

00:45:59.000 We always need a boogeyman.

00:46:00.000 The boogeyman will help sustain us.

00:46:04.000 I think over the years, I've said this plenty of times.

00:46:06.000 Without a boogeyman, we have to face ourselves.

00:46:10.000 We have to look in the mirror, and that mirror may not reflect what you want it to reflect.

00:46:15.000 So it's just easier to point the finger at the other guy.

00:46:18.000 And it's been working, and it will continue to work.

00:46:22.000 It will continue to work.

00:46:23.000 And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

00:46:25.000 Yeah, you know, blacks and Democrats are a sick, codependent relationship that's like Sid and Nancy or two junkies. 0.97

00:46:35.000 The Democrats, they get the votes, and they get bigger government because they have more welfare, more social programs.

00:46:41.000 So they're more powerful.

00:46:43.000 They're a bigger institution.

00:46:44.000 And then what do blacks get out of it? 0.99

00:46:46.000 They get the family shattered because you've given the mother a financial interest in losing the dad.

00:46:53.000 That leads to more crime.

00:46:55.000 That leads to more jail.

00:46:56.000 So their lives get worse and worse and worse.

00:46:59.000 And the Democratic government gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

00:47:03.000 I wish they would just wake up and go, wait, Republicans are the ones that wanted to end slavery.

00:47:07.000 Republicans are the ones that wanted accountability.

00:47:10.000 What do we do with that team?

00:47:12.000 Listen, don't waste the wish on that.

00:47:15.000 You'll probably only get three, so don't waste on that because it would be a waste of a wish.

00:47:18.000 I'm telling you firsthand.

00:47:20.000 Look, I'm to the point now where I'm like, man, you deserve what you ask.

00:47:25.000 You asked for it and you got these results.

00:47:29.000 You deserve it.

00:47:31.000 At the end of the day, man, you can't do things over and over and expect a different result.

00:47:38.000 And that's what happened with the Democrat Party.

00:47:40.000 I mean, that's why I believe it's called the left, because once it comes, it leaves shit in pieces.

00:47:48.000 You get what's left when they come and push their agenda.

00:47:52.000 And I didn't mean to curse again, but this is one of those topics that gets me hot under the collar.

00:47:57.000 But yeah, the left comes, does what it wants, manipulates, abuses, then leaves what's left.

00:48:06.000 You get to keep what's left.

00:48:07.000 And we keep voting for that over and over.

00:48:09.000 Leave us the crumbs.

00:48:11.000 We're happy with the crumbs.

00:48:12.000 Didn't FDR say that?

00:48:13.000 We'll have these niggers voting Democrat for the next 100 years. 1.00

00:48:17.000 Yeah, and I say that his math was wrong because it probably would be about four, multiply that a few hundred years, and then he's on to something.

00:48:27.000 It's so frustrating, too, because welfare is not a lot of money.

00:48:31.000 Crime is not a lot of money.

00:48:33.000 Selling Coke is good if you're the top guy, but all the little minions, they make 20, 30 grand a year.

00:48:40.000 Welfare is 22 grand a year.

00:48:43.000 If you work a crappy minimum wage job or get a trade in New York, you could be looking at 80, 100.

00:48:49.000 Electricians make $100,000 a year.

00:48:51.000 Come on.

00:48:52.000 Yeah, but you're working for the man.

00:48:55.000 Oh, God.

00:48:55.000 And that's not cool.

00:48:56.000 It's a culture.

00:48:58.000 I think we've talked about this over the years.

00:49:00.000 It's the culture.

00:49:02.000 You're right.

00:49:03.000 Everything you're saying makes sense, but it's the culture that promotes this.

00:49:07.000 Would you rather work for the man and make $100, would it say 40 hours a week working for the man, or you can make that money in a day for yourself, selling this.

00:49:22.000 And there's easy quick math, and you'll be cool.

00:49:25.000 And, you know, there's no ridicule with what you're doing.

00:49:30.000 There's no pride.

00:49:31.000 You know, part of it is the names too, all this Shaniqua and even Talib.

00:49:36.000 It's like a way of saying we're separating you from the rest of people.

00:49:40.000 I saw these kids, they worked at an auto shop, one of those Three Brothers, the ones where you buy auto parts, and someone had stolen something from it.

00:49:49.000 And the guys chased, this is in Harlem, and they chased the thieves, caught them, tackled them, and then all these other people run up and they're yelling at the employees who caught the shoplifters and said, let them go.

00:50:02.000 It's not your store.

00:50:04.000 Why do you care?

00:50:05.000 What are you doing?

00:50:06.000 Just let them go.

00:50:08.000 They care about their employer because they care about their job.

00:50:11.000 That's not cool.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, I'm with you.

00:50:14.000 I'm with you on that.

00:50:15.000 And that's not an isolated incident.

00:50:17.000 I mean, if you take that kind of mindset and multiply it around the country, and then someone comes over top of that and says, you know, and usually your Democrat politician comes in over top of that and support these kind of backwards endeavors.

00:50:33.000 That's a cesspool. 0.99

00:50:35.000 And I think, honestly, I can't afford to move.

00:50:40.000 So what I do is use my surroundings for research purposes and keep my guns.

00:50:47.000 And just in case some of the research animals decide to cross the line.

00:50:54.000 Yeah, some of your lab rats decide to cross the cross.

00:50:55.000 Some of my lab rats escape the cage.

00:50:57.000 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 So yeah.

00:51:01.000 But that condition is crazy how that's from any hood, any hood, USA.

00:51:08.000 You can go here and you could go over to LA.

00:51:11.000 You can go down south.

00:51:12.000 Seattle, yeah.

00:51:12.000 Midwest, you can go anywhere and it's the same conditions and it's just not coincidence.

00:51:18.000 It's like dating the same girl and she's just breaking people's hearts around it.

00:51:23.000 Everyone, Shaniqua.

00:51:25.000 You know Shaniqua?

00:51:25.000 Yeah, I know Shaniqua.

00:51:26.000 You know what Shaniqua did to me, man?

00:51:28.000 Then another person, man, I went out with this girl named Shaniqua.

00:51:31.000 Man, you know what Shaniqua did?

00:51:33.000 And then you found out everybody, I'm saying, why is everyone dating Shaniqua? 0.93

00:51:36.000 Don't y'all know what she's going to do?

00:51:39.000 She's got herpes and she robs every single man she's with. 1.00

00:51:43.000 Right.

00:51:43.000 So why do you guys keep getting in bed with her?

00:51:45.000 And that's the Democrat Party.

00:51:48.000 It's so frustrating.

00:51:49.000 But you said something kind of, it was pessimistic, But I appreciate it.

00:51:54.000 You said when you're working at that home for troubled kids, you said, Yeah, there's some kids out there, they just need some discipline, they'll get back on track.

00:52:01.000 But there's a large percentage of them where you go, you need to be cut loose.

00:52:05.000 There's no future here.

00:52:06.000 You could be given all the money, all the mentors, all the military academies in the world, and you're just bad.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, I mean, that's like, there are some bad people at the end of the day, right?

00:52:17.000 Right, yeah.

00:52:18.000 Let's be real.

00:52:19.000 Everyone can't be saved.

00:52:21.000 And I know that sounds, that is pessimistic.

00:52:24.000 And the person in my position, I didn't go into that field thinking that.

00:52:29.000 I became that.

00:52:31.000 And that was the only way you, and I feel like that with police officers may have that same mindset.

00:52:37.000 And maybe trauma center surgeons in a place like Baltimore where you realize we can't do anything with this guy on the table that's been shot 10 times again.

00:52:51.000 It's just certain things you learn from experience where you're like, let me channel my resources where they can be best utilized versus wasting the resources on something that I know won't manifest.

00:53:06.000 All right.

00:53:06.000 Well, last question.

00:53:07.000 We're out of time.

00:53:08.000 Is there hope for black America? 1.00

00:53:12.000 Is there hope for black America? 1.00

00:53:16.000 Yes, there's always hope in America.

00:53:19.000 Black Americans will always have hope in America.

00:53:23.000 As long as we recognize that America is the tree that we have to protect.

00:53:31.000 You know, you get the blacks that feel like we can do better without America or we don't need America or we want to create this parallel existence in America. 0.98

00:53:43.000 No, those blacks can't be saved. 1.00

00:53:45.000 As a matter of fact, no American, I believe, but specifically for us, the 13 percenters, we got to recognize that America is the best place for us and has been.

00:53:57.000 And you got guys like Frederick Douglass who understood that years ago.

00:54:01.000 And when he was asked what should be done with the Negro, he said his response was, leave us alone. 0.92

00:54:07.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:54:09.000 And as long as you're in America, you have an opportunity like a guy like Puff Daddy or Jay-Z, drug dealer, to venture capitalists.

00:54:20.000 Only in America, man.

00:54:21.000 Don King had it right.

00:54:23.000 And as kids, we, you know, that's one thing I say about with Donald Trump.

00:54:27.000 And Donald Trump was Don King, that same kind of mindset of only in America can you do this.

00:54:37.000 And when you hear that growing up, you believe, but then when you hear, you know, not in America because there's a glass ceiling.

00:54:45.000 And then you're like, really?

00:54:47.000 But that doesn't stop us from aspiring.

00:54:49.000 Then you get people like Oprah to tell you, I'm a billionaire, but I'm going to tell you racism is real because I'm not a trillionaire.

00:54:57.000 That's how you know racism exists.

00:54:59.000 And you have other millionaires complaining about not being billionaires.

00:55:04.000 But again, yeah, there's no, I mean, there is hope for black and married as long as we recognize America is best for black Americans.

00:55:12.000 You better recognize.

00:55:13.000 Yahi.

00:55:15.000 Thanks for coming on the show, Talib.

00:55:17.000 Inspiring words as per huge.

00:55:20.000 And I'm not this dark, man.

00:55:22.000 For the record, where's John?

00:55:25.000 It looks like I have kidney disease, right?

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:27.000 Folks at home, Talib Starks is not a silhouette, and I, for the record, am not a pink marshmallow.

00:55:35.000 See you later.

00:55:36.000 All right, my friend.

00:55:37.000 Happy New Year!

00:55:45.000 We don't steal.

00:55:46.000 We don't gamble.

00:55:48.000 We don't lie.

00:55:49.000 And we don't cheat.

00:55:52.000 And that also deprives the government of revenue.

00:55:57.000 Because you can't get into a whiskey bottle without getting past the government's seal.

00:56:03.000 You can't get into a whiskey bottle without first getting past the government's seal.

00:56:08.000 The government makes a lot of money off of vice.

00:56:10.000 I made a lot of money off of vice.

00:56:12.000 But I'm more of a Malcolm X guy than a Martin Luther King guy.

00:56:15.000 With all due respect to Dr. King, I'm more of a...

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - January 16, 2018

Get Off My Lawn #65 | MLK Day 2018 Special

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