Johnott comes on the show to talk about his new data on illegals and crime, Corey Booker's recent rant, and more. Johnott is a writer, comedian, and podcaster. He's been writing for the New York Times, CNN, NPR, and many other publications.
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00:00:49.000And it's interesting that the opioid epidemic is linked to illegal aliens because they say it's the MS-13 gangs that come and bring the heroin to the suburbs after these guys get addicted after taking Oxie for their bad back.
00:01:26.000And speaking of insane, a YouTuber named Graham the Christian just said, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, a million times.
00:08:28.000So what the ADL and the SPLC do is they go to these old, rich Jewish people and they say, look, I know you're still shaking from World War II.
00:08:36.000Give me some money and I'll take care of all the Nazis.
00:08:38.000When they put these groups of hate lists, John Stossel did a great video about this where he goes, where's Antifa?
00:08:44.000You have people who don't support gay marriage, people who don't support gay adoption, ex-Muslims like Ayan Hirsi Ali who speak out against jihad.
00:10:44.000An American killed and another wounded in Kansas after a white supremacist targeted them for their ethnicity, saying, get out of my country.
00:17:31.000When ignorance and bigotry is allied with power, it is a dangerous force in our country.
00:17:39.000Your silence and your amnesia is complicity.
00:17:43.000Right now in our nation, we have a problem.
00:17:46.000I don't know if 73% of your time is spent on white supremacist hate groups.
00:17:51.000I don't know if 73% of your time is spent concerned about the people in fear in communities in this country, Sikh Americans, Muslim Americans, black...
00:22:12.000You can't just lump it all in together.
00:22:14.000And this guy, this pastor, is saying that there's no such thing as trans, which the medical community was all agreed on just a few years ago.
00:22:22.000So you're not living, you're not living in, you're not a black person living in a Klan rally for crying out loud.
00:22:29.000This is a little long, but I think we get to see her turtle.
00:22:35.000At my college, football players would get drunk and knock on my door in hopes of having sex with me so that they could make me not gay anymore.
00:22:44.000People would write Bible verses from the Gospel of Matthew about how it'd be better if I had drowned in the ocean.
00:27:18.000Legal aliens, they talk about the Oxy epidemic and how these guys, when they can't afford the pills, the opioids, they go to heroin where they get the heroin MS-13.
00:27:52.000You hear about these sanctuary cities where they do the entire town halls in Spanish and they start to try to get more lax on drunk driving laws because with Mexicans it's perfectly normal to drive drunk.
00:28:02.000You know, the age of consent in Mexico, I believe, is 12.
00:28:05.000So they want to start changing those laws and not be so hard on someone who's screwing a young teenager.
00:28:13.000But we couldn't get the data up until now.
00:28:51.000You're always blowing minds with your fastidious research.
00:28:55.000And I'm looking at this paper, Undocumented Immigrants, U.S. Citizens, and Convicted Criminals in Arizona.
00:29:01.000We're told that illegal aliens come here to pick lettuce, basically, and we'd be nothing without them.
00:29:06.000They're nannies and landscapers, and there's no crime there.
00:29:10.000But I always knew that was false, but I am stunned by this report.
00:29:15.000Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than any other Arizonans.
00:29:23.000They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10% longer sentences.
00:29:29.00045% more likely to be in a gang member than a U.S. citizen.
00:29:34.000That's shocking even to us anti-illegal skeptics.
00:29:40.000Yeah, I mean, I thought there were a lot of things that were pretty surprising about the data.
00:29:45.000I mean, if you had past studies really haven't been able to break down whether people are legal or illegal, and, you know, you kind of just guess about what's happening.
00:29:57.000So, you know, when you actually get some data that does it, I guess it's not too surprising that it can be surprising.
00:30:04.000Well, I think, too, we used to have children assimilate better than their parents.
00:30:25.000Well, obviously there's been a lot of debate going on about how young immigrant, illegal immigrants, behave with the DACA debate.
00:30:37.000And one of the nice things about this data is that I have data on everybody who's entered prison in Arizona from 1985 through June of this past year.
00:30:49.000And I have incredible details about basically everything the prison system has about those individuals.
00:30:56.000So I know their year of birth, when they entered the system, what crimes they committed, whether they're members of gangs, whether they had sentencing enhancements for things like being particularly violent criminals.
00:31:12.000And so what you find is if you look at between ages 15 to 35, that age when they enter prison, these individuals make up about 2% of the Arizona population, but they make up 8% of the prison population that's there.
00:31:32.000And it's, again, you find it's particularly for more violent, more serious crimes that they're overrepresented.
00:31:39.000You know, in Ann Coulter's book, Adios Amigo, she talks about how hard it is to research this subject and how much obfuscation there is in the data.
00:31:50.000Did you find it was particularly difficult to go through this, to find it?
00:31:55.000Well, I kind of lucked out on finding this particular data.
00:31:59.000I was asked to do a project by the Arizona County Prosecutors Association, and I agreed to do it in part because of the access to the data that I was given.
00:32:10.000So I did their project that they asked me to do, but I saw that there was this other data there, and it allowed me to do it.
00:32:20.000Because I have shared Ann's frustration with regard to getting this type of data.
00:32:25.000You know that they must have this data, but the way it's Usually reported is just lumping all immigrants together, whether they're legal or illegal.
00:32:37.000And there's good reasons to believe that, or at least suspect, that they might not behave the same, that somebody who obeys the rules to come into the country might be relatively law-abiding, for example, relative to those who break the laws to come in.
00:33:04.000Well, in fact, what you find is while illegal immigrants commit crimes at much higher rates than U.S. citizens, the legal immigrants actually commit crimes at significantly lower rates than U.S. citizens.
00:33:30.000So they use legal immigrants to take down the numbers of immigration, but when you filter that out, you're stuck with Trump's quote, which is they're not sending their best.
00:33:56.000Well, the export seems to go both ways with regard to these individuals in the sense that one of the things that was particularly surprising is that for U.S. criminals, there's a hardcore group of people who keep cycling through the system.
00:34:13.00025% of the U.S. citizens in prison in Arizona have been there at least five times previously.
00:34:22.000And so, but you don't see that with these illegal immigrants.
00:34:27.000Only 2% of illegal immigrants are there five times.
00:34:32.000So what seems to be happening, I mean, I don't know for sure where these guys go because I don't have the data from Mexico.
00:34:40.000But my guess is what happens is they commit a serious crime in the United States.
00:34:48.000And only a few come back to the United States, particularly after the second crime.
00:34:54.000And so, you know, whether we're kind of the farm system for serious crime in Mexico, I have no idea.
00:35:03.000But at least a large portion of them don't seem to come back.
00:35:07.000And there's an implication for all this, and that is we know or we see that the conviction rate, because I just have data on convictions here, is much higher for these illegal immigrants than it is for U.S. citizens.
00:35:23.000Well, if these are only committing crime maybe once or twice before they disappear, you have to, versus the U.S. citizens who you have a small group who are committing a huge percentage of the crimes.
00:35:37.000What it means is that for these illegal immigrants, you have to have a lot larger percentage of these illegal immigrants committing at least one crime that they get caught for.
00:35:48.000Whereas for the U.S. citizens, you just have a small group that account for the vast majority of the crimes.
00:35:56.000So, for example, if you're in the system, so to speak, so your DNA and your fingerprints, if they have a file on you, if you go and commit other crimes, you're relatively easier to catch as a result of the government having all that information on you.
00:36:16.000And I think there's actually several reasons why this estimate of looking at convictions for criminals underestimates the actual crime being committed by these illegal immigrants.
00:36:34.000The other reasons are the fact that we have a very large percentage of these illegal immigrants are gang members.
00:36:42.000They're 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens are.
00:36:47.000Well, gang crimes are notoriously difficult to go and solve.
00:36:52.000And so, you know, it's likely that they're committing crimes that we never know about.
00:37:00.000Well, it sounds like there's a simple solution to this problem, and it's called a wall.
00:37:45.000We really have reached the bottom of education and pop culture and youth culture.
00:37:51.000So Mario, Super Mario, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, you jump along and you jump over turtles and stuff, and eventually you make it to the princess, where I think Mario marries her.