Dave Chappelle talks about punk rock and why the Clash are one of the most influential bands of all time. He also explains why punk rock came to define a new kind of rock and roll, and why it's important to remember International Clash Day.
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00:01:46.000But yeah, The Clash are an incredible band because they sort of sum up your life.
00:01:55.000They sum up regret, betrayal, commitment, entrepreneurialship, capturing the zeitgeist.
00:02:04.000You know, I've always said to be successful in New York, all you got to do is when you get that moment, and you will get that moment if you hustle, ram a crowbar into it, pry it open, and just cram as much stuff as you can in that moment.
00:02:21.000The example I like to use is Ryan McGinley, photographer, friend of mine, who, by the way, in his recent book, neglected to mention I discovered him.
00:05:50.000And punk rock came along and said, yeah, you don't need to do, you don't need to be a top musician, although that drummer, Topper Heddon, was a top jazz musician.
00:08:54.000All the Ramones did was add to the momentum.
00:08:59.000And so The Clash started their shows 1977.
00:09:03.000Now, the record labels, the mainstream, didn't understand this.
00:09:07.000You know, from zero till 1976, it was just the best musicians formed a band, you signed them, they played shows, sold a million records, you made your money back.
00:09:48.000You'll notice, by the way, it says on it, to Gavin, open your eyes, I said to the crowd, but no, Joe Strummer, 1999, that's when I met him.
00:10:02.000The inside joke he's talking about here is he was with his family, Joe Strummer was, and his kids, and he realized, oh my God, we're right by the alleyway where we shot the cover of our album.
00:10:15.000And so he told his wife and his kids to close their eyes.
00:13:04.000And you'll see that, by the way, this is a little mini tangent.
00:13:07.000You'll see that in the lyrics, all this glorification of multiculturalism and the Sandinistas, and I love Nicaragua and I love freedom fighters.
00:13:15.000It's based on rich kids traveling the world and sampling just the elite part.
00:13:20.000Like you go to Indonesia, you don't see, you know, the fact that they have no, they can't drink from a tap because there's so many brutal parasites because it's such a backwards country and they're murdering people for drinking alcohol.
00:13:32.000You get caught with a joint in Indonesia, you're looking at life in prison.
00:13:36.000But he'd go there as a rich kid, go to some beautiful restaurant, see some ladies, and he'd go, Indonesia's beautiful, man, you gotta check it out.
00:13:46.000You know who else has that exact same background and life philosophy?
00:13:52.000Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. from the New York Times, the editor of the New York Times, the impetus for the New York Times' multicultural pandering.
00:14:01.000Their whole diversity is our strength garbage, comes from a rich kid traveling the world, going to private schools, seeing the very, very top elite best of each country.
00:14:11.000Which is why, by the way, when you talk to the left about multiculturalism and diversity, they always talk about restaurants.
00:14:22.000Even with Trump, when Trump says he wants to get rid of, he wants to build a wall, he wants to get rid of illegals, they go, you might want to try the taco.
00:14:31.000Vincente Fox, too, he was asked, have the Mexicans ever invented anything of note?
00:14:53.000Anyway, The Clash, their debut album, Incredible Album, Incredible Energy.
00:14:58.000Joe Strummer was coming from a world of pub bands where you just sort of, you're in the background, you know, and you play some covers and you amuse people and they want you to turn it down, actually.
00:15:08.000And then he saw the Sex Pistols and Joe Strummer was stunned to see that you can be a band and say, these are our songs, and f ⁇ you if you don't like them.
00:15:21.000The Sex Pistols kind of invented that, which again was really Malcolm McLaren.
00:17:05.000And so there was a massive influx of Jamaican immigrants into Britain in the 70s, shortly after they had declared independence, shortly after they had eradicated the patriarchy, capitalism, the evil colonists, Britain.
00:17:21.000This is why I fight for it here in America, all this ethnomasochism and we have to kill ourselves and we hate the patriarchy and we hate capitalism.
00:17:29.000I've seen what happens when we eradicate all that.
00:21:11.000I mean, I understand a soldier like Terry Shapert who's in the trenches and that it's over and he has PTSD because his identity is with his boys.
00:21:25.000And the clash were always about adapting and they were about remaining true to each other, but they were also about kicking each other out.
00:21:35.000I mean, Topper Hedden, the drummer, his heroin addiction was getting too brutal.
00:21:40.000It's like Albert Hammond with the strokes.
00:21:42.000The addiction gets to the point where you go, well, you're screwing us over.
00:21:53.000With Vice, we'd see that all the time.
00:21:55.000Guys would get so addicted to cocaine that they'd take money from the company or go somewhere in a business trip to open up a store and then spend it on themselves.
00:22:12.000You're constantly as an entrepreneur volleying between loyalty and being a good person and having honor and character and standing by your boys and cutting people out who are a danger to the company.
00:22:28.000I'm sure with my advice, one side would say that you were cut out because you were a risk to the company.
00:22:36.000Others would say I left because the company is going in a different direction and I didn't want to be part of it.
00:22:47.000History is written by the winners, and it's all open to interpretation, but this is my interpretation of the clash.
00:22:55.000They were always adapting, always moving, and really, like, musically they peaked with London Calling, right?
00:23:05.000But culturally, I think they peaked when they came to New York, which was around the same time, but immediately after that, around 1980, they came to New York.
00:23:48.000I think they played something like nine shows in a row.
00:23:51.000People kept coming to the same show, too.
00:23:54.000And while they were there in New York, they recorded a hip-hop song.
00:23:58.000Now, hip-hop is also an amazing cultural event at the time because the Bronx, thanks to Roger Moses, he had built a highway through the Bronx.
00:24:07.000The Bronx was a beautiful suburban neighborhood.
00:25:14.000There's a famous moment Reagan went in there and just said, you guys got to get over the fact that your neighborhood got ruined and pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.
00:25:21.000So murder was rampant there in the 70s.
00:25:26.000And there's a good documentary about it.
00:25:28.000I think it's called The Rubble or something.
00:27:21.000weirdo punk rock white guys doing the kit Brings you back to this awful place.
00:27:45.000That was when hip-hop was just starting, you know, and that was like another signpost of what was to come.
00:27:51.000We sort of fell in with some graffiti artists and they made a big banner for us.
00:27:55.000Now I like these sites from New York Maybe dark but I wanna talk It might rain, it might snow Alright, you can just play that in the background and we get it.
00:28:04.000You know what's interesting about that too is the clash were able to adapt because of all their different cultures.
00:28:11.000Kevin, I thought you always crap on multiculturalism.
00:28:17.000The clash were able to adapt because of their different Western cultures.
00:28:22.000Joe Strummer has his rhythm and blues, Topper Hedden has his jazz, they have classical training, they have all these different Western influences, which makes them Western chauvinists, and it makes them an incredible band that could adapt.
00:28:41.000So don't try to trick me by thinking I'm talking about multiculturalism in a global sense, because the West is the best.
00:29:02.000They put out combat rock that had Rock the Kazbah.
00:29:08.000I think that was their biggest mainstream hit.
00:29:10.000If you dig that up, David's got a cool video.
00:29:15.000But Bernie Rhodes, the manager, is still getting in there, trying to influence these people, trying to manipulate them.
00:29:22.000And in Glenn Beck's book, Miracles and Massacres, he says, you know, I'm going through all these historical events and I'm realizing that, yeah, that's Rock the Casburg.
00:30:20.000So, you know, you had Paul Revere and in the book, he's got someone else who prevented the assassination of George Washington by taking it upon himself to go and warn George that an assassination was imminent.
00:30:32.000That could have, you know, that could be the reason why we won the war against Britain right there.
00:30:38.000And then he talks about wounded knee in it, and he says, those prisoners, it was Indian prisoners who were massacred by soldiers, right?
00:30:46.000But before the top brass showed up, before they arrived on the scene, the Indians who were prisoners were, you'll see this in the movie Hostiles, a similar story.
00:30:57.000The Indians who were prisoners had their own guns.
00:30:59.000And they're saying, look, guys, we've got to take you here.
00:31:03.000We're going to get attacked by tribes on the way.
00:31:31.000And the next thing you know, they're shooting people in the back, killing women and children.
00:31:36.000That was the authoritarians that started that.
00:31:38.000And by the way, to this day, the reason we know about this story is because the American soldiers were so horrified by this that they wanted, it was well documented, you know?
00:31:49.000And it's also why to this day, you have a lot of military people who, those guys won medals for Wounded Knee.
00:35:01.000And Cut the Crap is like a disco-y-rappy kind of a thing.
00:35:04.000Lots of like soccer chants, but lots of beatboxes and drum machines.
00:35:09.000I think the band, Bernie Rhodes hired all new people in the band.
00:35:13.000And I think the new members suffered a kind of a psychosis because getting to be in the clash was disturbing.
00:35:22.000And Joe Strummer wouldn't hang out with the band anymore.
00:35:24.000The thing about Joe, you have to understand, is he sort of got this punk mentality that was sort of stolen from the glam scene in the 70s, Matt the Hoopal.
00:35:32.000And that was that scene I was talking about at the beginning of the show, which was this, we're for the people.
00:44:47.000But the reason I just wasted an entire show talking about the intro song was not just because it's International Clash Day, but because the Clash is a great example of how, as a man, as an entrepreneur,
00:45:04.000as an adult, you constantly have to distinguish between what is me being a grown-up, saying goodbye to the past, saying goodbye to clutter, saying goodbye to things that are hurting me, and what is me sticking by something valid, something real, like a family, and being true to myself, having honor and character.
00:45:28.000It damaged him forever, But I don't blame him because all his previous decisions were great and they made one of the greatest bands in the world.
00:45:39.000A band where if someone was standing on your property and they said they suck, you'd say, you know what?