Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - March 12, 2018


Get Off My Lawn #96 | Pay My Wife!


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41 minutes

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650

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Kevin and Yusong are in the midst of a road trip to the Yankees game, and the guys talk about the craziness that is the Astros-Tiger game and the Mets-Astros game. Also, a woman wants a ball signed.

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00:00:20.000 Live from New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Kevin McGuinness.
00:00:27.000 Hi, folks.
00:00:27.000 So it's the day of the Yankees game.
00:00:29.000 We're here in the hotel room, binge-watching Tyler Henry's Hollywood Medium.
00:00:34.000 It's a show where he goes to celebrities' homes and makes them cry after Wikipediaing them and maybe Googling the fact that their grandmother died of a botched biopsy.
00:00:48.000 And then they go, woohoo, and they start crying.
00:00:51.000 I think he's a sociopath.
00:00:53.000 I think he's a sociopath that was probably happy when Alan Thick died because he had said to Alan Thick, I think you might have a heart problem.
00:01:00.000 He said to an old man, you may have a heart problem.
00:01:04.000 But I wanted to mention something.
00:01:05.000 I've already talked about this, but the other day we had that woman, those New Yorkers, those angry New Yorkers, bitching about them not having balls signed. 1.00
00:01:14.000 Now, I don't know why a 65-year-old wants a ball signed, but this is where we're at now.
00:01:19.000 We've seen two games, right?
00:01:20.000 We saw the Tigers and the Astros.
00:01:23.000 Haven't seen Yankees yet, so we've only really been here for two full days.
00:01:26.000 And we have eight balls.
00:01:29.000 Now, this is a ball from DeGrom that at practice session in the morning, he just tossed to my son, which is way better than getting a ball in a game.
00:01:39.000 So this is just his buddy DeGrom throwing him a ball.
00:01:42.000 That was awesome.
00:01:44.000 And then we also have a ball in the middle of the game, and this was on his own volition.
00:01:48.000 I never even would think to do this.
00:01:50.000 He asked me for a ball that we had bought.
00:01:52.000 He goes down to the outfield, like just over the fence, and he says, hey, Jabe Roos, we play catch?
00:02:00.000 And on two separate occasions, in between innings, him and Jay Bruce were just sort of throwing the ball back and forth.
00:02:08.000 My big buddy Jay Bruce, the giant who's seven feet tall and eats little babies for protein.
00:02:16.000 He's a monster.
00:02:19.000 So that's Jay Bruce.
00:02:20.000 Then he caught a foul ball during the game from the Tigers.
00:02:25.000 While he was in there in the pit, he found another game ball from the Astros.
00:02:32.000 Then in two separate occasions, a woman and a man who work at the concession stand, they get balls that bounce right into their area and they keep them.
00:02:40.000 And so they got a little bucket of balls.
00:02:42.000 In two separate occasions, no, sorry, one concession stand lady gave him a ball. 1.00
00:02:48.000 Another guy tried to give him a ball, but he said, I already got one from the concession stand, people, thank you.
00:02:52.000 Then some random dad who's a Mets fan, covered in Mets gear, comes up and he says, my son has too many of these.
00:02:57.000 Here's a game ball from First Data Field.
00:03:02.000 Is that it?
00:03:03.000 Oh, and then when we're leaving, you'll notice we talked to some pretty young girls from Long Island who had a 10 doll in their pocket.
00:03:10.000 As we were doing that interview, Zach Wheeler tosses my son a ball.
00:03:15.000 And he waited outside by the parking lot, and what's his name, Nimmo?
00:03:20.000 Brandon Nimmo signed one of his balls.
00:03:22.000 So that's two, four, six, seven, eight balls so far.
00:03:27.000 That lady wasn't getting her balls signed because she doesn't deserve to get her balls signed. 1.00
00:03:32.000 The only people who should get their balls signed are little boys. 0.99
00:03:36.000 Now, that didn't sound very good.
00:03:40.000 So that was the first inning down.
00:03:43.000 Jose Reyes dived for the ball.
00:03:45.000 He missed it.
00:03:46.000 And that got a lot of RBIs.
00:03:47.000 We got two RBIs, two guys on base.
00:03:50.000 But was it Zach Wheeler?
00:03:52.000 Who was pitching there?
00:03:55.000 Zach Wheeler kept pitching and he got them all out.
00:03:57.000 So we're still at 0-0.
00:03:58.000 But it's a tense game.
00:03:59.000 You can tell the difference.
00:04:01.000 Excuse me.
00:04:03.000 You can tell the difference between the Astros and the Tigers and a team of the caliber of the Yankees.
00:04:11.000 It's a different kind of game altogether.
00:04:14.000 I wouldn't be surprised if we lose 5-4 Yankees.
00:04:19.000 I hear Bye and predicting that.
00:04:23.000 let's check back in at the end of the second innings This is why there's netting at baseball parks. 0.65
00:04:44.000 because women are always on their phones. 1.00
00:04:48.000 I wonder if it's gonna stay.
00:04:50.000 Yeah.
00:04:51.000 Seven bucks a month.
00:04:56.000 We got four.
00:04:56.000 So that's bottom of the second.
00:04:57.000 That was an eventful winner.
00:05:00.000 We got two runs that inning, and it's because some dude, some black guy, what was his name?
00:05:06.000 Some Yankee guy dropped the ball.
00:05:08.000 What?
00:05:09.000 Domingo Jeremy.
00:05:10.000 Domingo Jeremy, that was the picture.
00:05:12.000 Yeah, but the guy who dropped the ball.
00:05:15.000 Florio.
00:05:16.000 Florio.
00:05:17.000 Some dude named Florio dropped the ball.
00:05:19.000 It was up real high.
00:05:20.000 Real high, but he got the sun in his eyes.
00:05:22.000 He dropped the ball.
00:05:23.000 That got two of our guys home.
00:05:25.000 So made my 5-4 prediction.
00:05:26.000 It could be what I thought it would be.
00:05:28.000 It was pretty uneventful inning, except for the very end.
00:05:30.000 So things are looking up.
00:05:32.000 Things are looking up now here at number two.
00:05:34.000 Welcome back to the World Series Quiz Show with Steve Engel.
00:05:34.000 Hi, folks.
00:05:38.000 We'll be quizzing him on various World Serieses.
00:05:43.000 Sounds good, man.
00:05:45.000 You could only say that, not me.
00:05:46.000 Okay.
00:05:47.000 How far back do you think you could go?
00:05:47.000 Ready?
00:05:49.000 Probably 1959.
00:05:51.000 1959.
00:05:52.000 Some in the 50s, like 54.
00:05:53.000 Who won the World Series in 59?
00:05:55.000 That was, I believe, the Dodgers over the White Sox.
00:05:58.000 67.
00:05:59.000 That was the Cardinals over the Red Sox.
00:06:01.000 Bob Gibson wins three games, and that's the MBP.
00:06:04.000 1994.
00:06:06.000 There was no World Series.
00:06:07.000 That's a trick question.
00:06:08.000 And that's because you're Expos.
00:06:09.000 Who should have been in the World Series?
00:06:10.000 Do you think they would have won that year?
00:06:12.000 Yes, I do.
00:06:12.000 I think they would have beat the Yankees that year in the World Series.
00:06:14.000 88.
00:06:15.000 That was the Dodgers.
00:06:16.000 Should have been my Mets, but it was the Dodgers who beat the Earl Hirschreiser 59 and two-thirds scoreless innings that year.
00:06:22.000 Shut down the Mets, beat them three times in the LCS, and then beat the A's twice in the World Series.
00:06:26.000 They beat them four games to none.
00:06:29.000 Yeah, they beat him every year.
00:06:30.000 79.
00:06:31.000 Pirates, we are a family against the Orioles.
00:06:34.000 Pirates were down 3-1.
00:06:35.000 They beat them 4-3.
00:06:36.000 84.
00:06:37.000 That was the 83 was the Orioles.
00:06:41.000 84 was the Tigers over the Padres.
00:06:44.000 Four games to one.
00:06:45.000 71.
00:06:46.000 Pirates over the Orioles.
00:06:48.000 Merv Brennan made the last out of the game.
00:06:49.000 Brown Bowler gave cash over to Bob Robertson.
00:06:51.000 They win the World Series.
00:06:52.000 4-3.
00:06:53.000 They were up two games to none, by the way.
00:06:55.000 You're amazing.
00:06:56.000 That was the Reds over the Yankees.
00:06:56.000 76.
00:06:59.000 First Yankees appearance in 12 years in the World Series from 64 to 76.
00:07:03.000 And the Reds sweeping four games to none.
00:07:05.000 National League Rookie of the Year, Pat Zachary, who then went to the Mets and the Tom Siever deal the following year, won two games in that World Series.
00:07:10.000 He was, let's say, 14-7 to 2.76 the RAID to win the National League Rookie of the Year that year and beat the Yankees twice in the World Series.
00:07:18.000 Okay, 2001.
00:07:19.000 That was the Arizona Diamonds beating the Yankees, these Yankees.
00:07:24.000 Luis Gonzalez got a base hit off of Mariano Rivera, a little blue into the outfield, and they beat him in the bottom of the nine from the seventh game in Arizona.
00:07:34.000 Okay, last question.
00:07:35.000 What did the Mets do to commemorate 9-11, the following game?
00:07:40.000 The soonest game after 9-11?
00:07:42.000 Was there any gesture there?
00:07:44.000 I think they dedicated it to the people who lost their lives and the survivors.
00:07:49.000 Am I wrong?
00:07:50.000 And they won the game against the Braves, I know that.
00:07:52.000 They beat the Braves, I remember that.
00:07:55.000 But I think they dedicated it to the Survivors and the people who lost their lives in 9-11.
00:08:01.000 I feel like a cop came out or something and threw the first pitch or something like that.
00:08:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:06.000 I don't remember, to be honest.
00:08:08.000 Oh, good.
00:08:08.000 We stumped you.
00:08:09.000 We finally stumped Steve Angles.
00:08:11.000 He's officially stumped.
00:08:12.000 You got me.
00:08:13.000 Thanks, buddy.
00:08:14.000 You win.
00:08:14.000 Thanks, thank you.
00:08:15.000 You win the game.
00:08:16.000 Thank you.
00:08:17.000 So you may have noticed the last inning I said was the second.
00:08:19.000 It was a third.
00:08:21.000 And the fourth just finished.
00:08:24.000 Right, so we're still on track.
00:08:26.000 And you may have noticed I have a herpetic sore by lip.
00:08:28.000 Yes, it's very painful.
00:08:30.000 Yes, I lacked discretion in my earlier days, and I'm paying for that now in my late 40s.
00:08:38.000 We're doing great.
00:08:38.000 We got a home run.
00:08:39.000 Travis Darnell, right?
00:08:41.000 Hit a home run.
00:08:42.000 Now we're at 3-1.
00:08:43.000 It's looking like my predictions might not come true, which is a good thing, because I predict the bad news.
00:08:50.000 Stay tuned.
00:09:04.000 That was an unbelievably quick inning.
00:09:06.000 They caught a bunch of balls, and we got out.
00:09:08.000 And then they struck.
00:09:09.000 I mean, we got them out by catching a bunch of balls.
00:09:11.000 Then they threw a bunch of balls and they got us out.
00:09:14.000 The whole thing seemed like it was like eight minutes.
00:09:17.000 But the score prevails at 3-1.
00:09:20.000 And I gotta say, we weren't allowed to take a camera and a microphone in here.
00:09:24.000 We had a press pass tonight.
00:09:25.000 Probably they Googled me and that was the end of that.
00:09:28.000 But I feel like saying the guy, hey, I did bring a camera and a microphone in.
00:09:32.000 It's called my iPhone.
00:09:33.000 This audio, listen to how good this audio is.
00:09:37.000 It's perfect.
00:09:40.000 We beat the system.
00:09:41.000 The iPhone and this stupid earbud system is, what, 4% worse than a $3,000 camera with a $600 microphone?
00:09:50.000 It's amazing.
00:09:51.000 You can make your own show now, kids.
00:10:00.000 All right, that's the end of the sixth inning.
00:10:01.000 Crazy inning.
00:10:02.000 We got a very good umpire with a very good eye.
00:10:04.000 The Yankees are real mad about it.
00:10:05.000 Keeps calling everyone safe on first, no matter what happens.
00:10:08.000 That's my kind of umpire.
00:10:10.000 From all that mayhem that's going on, and these guys behind us are freaking out.
00:10:14.000 We got a guy home.
00:10:15.000 We got another run.
00:10:17.000 So it's 4-1.
00:10:18.000 Remember, I predicted Mets four, Yankees five?
00:10:22.000 We're not even close to that.
00:10:23.000 But that's the beauty of baseball.
00:10:25.000 You don't know what's going on until the end of the ninth inning.
00:10:28.000 Actually, until the end of the game.
00:10:30.000 I don't think they go far into overtime with these sort of little league things, these fake games.
00:10:34.000 I don't think they go beyond the 10th.
00:10:36.000 But seriously, we could be winning right up into the bottom of the ninth and still lose the game.
00:10:41.000 So stay tuned.
00:10:54.000 That was a brutal inning.
00:10:55.000 It's amazing how much this game is like Blackjack.
00:10:58.000 Where you can be doing okay and you're up 200 bucks and then you get hit beep beep beep beep beep five times in a row.
00:11:04.000 So it was 5-4 for the Yankees during that inning and then it went 6-4 and now it's 7-4.
00:11:12.000 They got a home run with the bases loaded and they went from 1-4 to 7-4 like that.
00:11:19.000 And now it's just about trying to make our money back.
00:11:22.000 was screwed.
00:11:37.000 So that's the game.
00:11:38.000 There's the Yankees catching us out.
00:11:41.000 11-4.
00:11:43.000 A little more severe of a pouncing than I thought it would be.
00:11:46.000 But just like with Blackjack, you wait around and then you get screwed. 0.92
00:11:50.000 And we got screwed.
00:11:51.000 First loss this whole trip.
00:11:54.000 All right, so that was 11-4.
00:11:56.000 They had back-to-back grand slams, one in the eighth inning, then bang right again in the ninth inning.
00:12:01.000 I ain't seen that in my whole life, and I've been following baseball for almost two years now.
00:12:06.000 I heard there was two grand slams in one inning once.
00:12:09.000 Who was that again?
00:12:10.000 Fernando Tatis.
00:12:11.000 Fernando Tatis.
00:12:13.000 But I'm kind of bombing out on baseball right now.
00:12:16.000 So let's take a break and let's have a look at the very black history of punk rock.
00:12:28.000 AJ Plus, Al Jazeera, the seek, just not seek, chic, oil chic billionaires in the Middle East have decided to spend some money brainwashing us into thinking that everything we do sucks. 0.62
00:12:43.000 And part of that, I guess, is telling us that punk was created by black people. 0.64
00:12:47.000 Ala Hamilton, I guess.
00:12:50.000 Race was kind of a big thing back in punk rock days, but it was us white kids fighting Nazi skinheads.
00:12:56.000 But as far as who was black in the music Business.
00:13:01.000 It never came up.
00:13:02.000 I didn't know until maybe two years ago that Polystyrene was black, the chick from X-Ray Specs, or Mick Jones was Jewish.
00:13:08.000 I didn't know about that because you weren't identified by your race back then.
00:13:13.000 But let's go back in time and make-oh, by the way, I know this dude.
00:13:17.000 That's Sasha Jenkins.
00:13:18.000 He used to do a great rap magazine called Ego Trip.
00:13:21.000 Then they ended up just doing lists and stuff.
00:13:23.000 He's a hustler.
00:13:24.000 He's always been on the move in New York City, seeing what the hot thing is.
00:13:27.000 I think he did the Whitest Rapper for VH1, produced that.
00:13:30.000 I actually worked with him, I think, on a thing.
00:13:32.000 Good guy.
00:13:32.000 Terrible skin, by the way.
00:13:35.000 But I think he saw this was the thing, and he goes, all right, I'm a punk now.
00:13:40.000 And he just invents this band.
00:13:41.000 This band doesn't exist.
00:13:43.000 It's just him with a scarf on.
00:13:44.000 In fact, he could be joking.
00:13:46.000 I think this is a joke.
00:13:48.000 All right, let's start it.
00:13:49.000 Let's have an A-rab talk. 0.99
00:13:51.000 You're black, you're punk rock all the time. 0.79
00:13:55.000 I don't wanna rock, it's always fire, I wanna rise, I'm gonna die in Cambodia. 0.98
00:14:00.000 This is me, I'm gonna die.
00:14:03.000 And that is the sound of punk.
00:14:05.000 Short, fast riffs, lyrics pushing back against the mainstream mundane, the original don't give a f ⁇ attitude, and a no rules allow genre for self-identifying misfits that emerged at a time where music was becoming maybe a little too clean.
00:14:19.000 Can you just posit punks?
00:14:21.000 Notice she shows a bunch of white people in the Very Black History of Punk Music video.
00:14:27.000 Let me tell you the amount of blackness that was going on. 1.00
00:14:31.000 In Britain, there was Don Letts.
00:14:33.000 There was a huge Jamaican influx in the 70s because they had just declared independence and they kicked the British out and they went, our country sucks now. 1.00
00:14:42.000 So we're going to leave.
00:14:43.000 You're going to see a similar thing in South Africa after they kill all the white people. 0.70
00:14:46.000 They're going to go, our farms don't produce anything anymore.
00:14:49.000 Anyway, huge influx of Jamaicans.
00:14:52.000 They assimilated quite well.
00:14:53.000 They're Christian.
00:14:54.000 They had just been under British rule.
00:14:55.000 They got Britain. 0.88
00:14:57.000 And so they ended up with ska music and rude boys.
00:15:01.000 And Don Letz brought sort of reggae to punk rock.
00:15:04.000 So you'd have, you know, the class doing dub songs.
00:15:07.000 Tiny, tiny part of British punk.
00:15:09.000 Tiny, tiny part.
00:15:11.000 And then as far as America goes, you had a hardcore band.
00:15:15.000 Hardcore is just American punk.
00:15:17.000 It's faster, stripped down.
00:15:19.000 Punk is British, basically.
00:15:22.000 You had one band called Bad Brains, and they were incredible.
00:15:27.000 If you found someone that doesn't like Bad Brains, you'd put them in a museum at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a freak, and they could ask questions.
00:15:33.000 Like I went to the Guinness Book of World Records when I was a kid in Niagara Falls, and the fattest woman in the world was there. 1.00
00:15:39.000 She was like 1,000 pounds. 1.00
00:15:40.000 It's normal now, but back then in the 70s, it was weird.
00:15:43.000 And she sat in a big booth with a microphone. 1.00
00:15:45.000 You just ask questions like, how much do you weigh?
00:15:47.000 And she'd be like, I weigh 1,100 pounds.
00:15:49.000 Oh, what do you eat every day?
00:15:50.000 And she would just answer questions don't they? 0.62
00:15:52.000 Probably the same questions.
00:15:53.000 Anyway, that's what you would do if someone liked bad, disliked bad brains.
00:15:56.000 That's a band, one band.
00:15:59.000 How is that the very black history of punk music?
00:16:02.000 Again, they're taking race and sticking it where it doesn't need to be.
00:16:07.000 All right, go ahead.
00:16:08.000 Salim Salaam.
00:16:10.000 Or at least as I saw it growing up, rarely look like anything other than these guys.
00:16:15.000 Correct.
00:16:16.000 Hey guys, I'm Sunnah.
00:16:17.000 This is AJ Plus.
00:16:18.000 And today we're going to explore the very black history and present of punk music.
00:16:25.000 It just keeps showing bad brains again and again and again.
00:16:30.000 Now, there was a decent amount of women who led the movement. 1.00
00:16:33.000 Patty Smith, Joan Jett, Debbie Harry, and Susie Su.
00:16:35.000 Don't jab it, don't put it.
00:16:36.000 And they all got major recognition.
00:16:38.000 But black or Latino or any other shade of punk, not really.
00:16:43.000 That doesn't sound weird if you've been taught the history of punk.
00:16:46.000 How annoying are millennials?
00:16:48.000 When it comes to any other shade of punk, not really.
00:16:54.000 They have this sort of a weird facial.
00:16:58.000 Yeah.
00:16:59.000 We're not going to do that.
00:17:00.000 I think it might come from Disney sitcoms.
00:17:02.000 If you've ever watched sitcoms on Disney, they go very big and they have to do a lot of.
00:17:08.000 Yeah, we're not going to do that.
00:17:11.000 And it seems to be affecting the way they portray themselves when they become adults.
00:17:17.000 This sound sucks, by the way.
00:17:19.000 Okay, go ahead.
00:17:22.000 Punk as something that emerged from the working-class angst of young white English men.
00:17:27.000 Think the sex pistols and the clash.
00:17:30.000 But it is weird when you dig a bit deeper into the history of punk and find that black and brown punks actually pioneered the movement.
00:17:37.000 Now, the most popular black American punk band is probably Bad Brains.
00:17:43.000 What do you think about this popular punk band?
00:17:46.000 And first, I want to talk about Death, the guys who helped pioneer punk without even trying or knowing.
00:17:55.000 Death was the Three Hackney Brothers from Detroit. 0.92
00:17:58.000 Their music is what's been called proto-punk.
00:18:01.000 Punk before we knew punk was punk.
00:18:05.000 Maybe what an expert knew?
00:18:07.000 Punk before there was punk.
00:18:09.000 Okay, just pause the deal.
00:18:11.000 They found the one other hard rock black band.
00:18:15.000 And again, Bad Brains were hardcore, not punk.
00:18:19.000 Death were a hard rock band from Detroit that no one really knew about outside of their very small circle of friends.
00:18:28.000 They did not influence punk in any way.
00:18:30.000 They're an okay band.
00:18:31.000 I listen to their album.
00:18:33.000 Yeah, pretty good rock.
00:18:34.000 But because they're black, everyone is freaking out, especially on the left.
00:18:38.000 The New York Times had a big feature on them and they made a documentary and they got so much attention, they got back together and went, uh, hi, we're deaf.
00:18:46.000 We're that band everyone is freaking out about?
00:18:49.000 They're not even close to as good as Bad Brains, and they have absolutely nothing to do with punk rock.
00:18:53.000 But they're black, so let's just cram them in to this ridiculous Arab propaganda. 1.00
00:18:58.000 go ahead Now, Death broke all the rules.
00:19:06.000 There were three black men playing what was considered white people's music at a time where black Americans were known for playing things like Motown and R ⁇ B. You know, we felt natural doing it while we were in our own quarters.
00:19:21.000 Look at these guys, by the way.
00:19:22.000 They were clearly bald.
00:19:24.000 And they were a mediocre band.
00:19:26.000 It sounded like every Italian in Long Island who had Some band that did covers.
00:19:32.000 Like, this is just a bar band.
00:19:34.000 But because they're black, liberals have dug them up and they go, oh, okay, I guess I'll put a hat on my bald spot. 0.98
00:19:39.000 I'll cover my wrinkly eyes with sunglasses.
00:19:42.000 And I guess I'll play some gigs to rich white people who are all of a sudden super into us.
00:19:48.000 It's insane.
00:19:49.000 This is nothing to do with punk whatsoever.
00:19:53.000 This is an 80s rock band inspired by, 70s and 80s rock band inspired by 70s hard rock.
00:20:00.000 It's not the very black history of punk music, you incompetence.
00:20:04.000 I should go tell the oil chics who are paying you how bad you are at your job. 1.00
00:20:09.000 Okay, go ahead.
00:20:11.000 But playing it out means that you had to answer so many questions.
00:20:17.000 Yeah, we totally spoke to death.
00:20:19.000 Now, the Hackney Brothers did start off by playing like R ⁇ B. In fact, their band was originally called Rockfire Funk Express.
00:20:26.000 But by 1973, they started playing rock and roll.
00:20:29.000 But we were just playing hard driving rock and roll, man.
00:20:32.000 We were just really trying to be like the group to the day that we love, like the MC5s.
00:20:36.000 Let's pause it for a second.
00:20:38.000 MC5s. 0.99
00:20:39.000 Kick out the jams.
00:20:42.000 Rock bands.
00:20:44.000 So they are sitting here telling AJ Plus, hey, we're not part of the history of punk.
00:20:51.000 We were like hard rock funk sort of glam kind of guys, you know, bell bottoms, platform shoes.
00:20:57.000 And by the way, speaking of bad brains, they were the same way.
00:21:00.000 They were a rock band and they went, punk's really big.
00:21:03.000 Let's try doing punk.
00:21:05.000 And then they did punk and then punk died.
00:21:06.000 And they went, all right, let's try hardcore.
00:21:08.000 And then they became a hardcore band.
00:21:09.000 They were just musicians trying to pay the bills.
00:21:12.000 Punk was already well on its way when Bad Brains showed up.
00:21:16.000 But go ahead and stop talking to this rock band, please.
00:21:18.000 It's embarrassing.
00:21:21.000 Alice Cooper and all those great rock and roll bands from the 70s.
00:21:25.000 We were really, you know, just kind of, you know, springboarding off with the sound that they was laying down.
00:21:30.000 But we were just doing it harder, faster, louder.
00:21:34.000 Despite their raw sound and unique and intimidating name, which by the way was totally ahead of its time, they didn't last long as a band.
00:21:41.000 They just didn't get the distribution that they needed, but some record labels worried about how to market their name and their sound.
00:21:48.000 And so Death kind of disbanded, but the brothers continued making music.
00:21:52.000 And it was only 30 weeks later in 2008 that Death was rediscovered and thrown onto people's radar.
00:21:58.000 Now, even though Death didn't go mainstream, their music was known underground and by the most die-hard punk fans, meaning they had influence.
00:22:06.000 There really was no scene or community to embrace them.
00:22:10.000 It's only kind of in retrospect.
00:22:12.000 Why do you guys want people who are like wow?
00:22:15.000 Just with this obsession with taking something, like they have you seen this propaganda that Bach?
00:22:21.000 Now, while Jeff is a pioneering band in punk history, they actually don't necessarily see what they were doing at the time as punk.
00:22:28.000 In fact, just playing old rock and roll.
00:22:30.000 We've never really considered ourselves a punk band.
00:22:33.000 Exactly.
00:22:33.000 I don't consider you a punk band either.
00:22:34.000 Let's move on.
00:22:35.000 You know, you got into a fight.
00:22:36.000 We were playing what we conceived as hard-driving Detroit rock and roll, man.
00:22:41.000 It's also important to note, as writer and musician Greg Tate told me, the difference in how white and black musicians in the same genre were marketed and how that had an impact on who got the credit and who got the fame.
00:22:52.000 The American music business is made up of gatekeepers on the corporate side, on the great rival side.
00:22:59.000 They very much subscribe to Jim Crow notions of Jim Crow. 0.74
00:23:05.000 Jesus Lord.
00:23:06.000 Is Jim Crow in every single liberal video now?
00:23:10.000 Do we have to keep hearing about Jim Crow again and again and again?
00:23:13.000 And the implication here, by the way, is that death could have influenced punk.
00:23:18.000 So we'll just say they influenced punk.
00:23:20.000 But racism prevented them from getting a record deal.
00:23:22.000 No, executives didn't know how to market you because you were a black rock band called Death.
00:23:27.000 That's a tough sell.
00:23:29.000 And then this buffoon, whatever his name is, Greg Tate, says, yeah, the gatekeepers are racist and black people couldn't make any records.
00:23:37.000 What are you talking about, sir?
00:23:40.000 Blacks are what? 0.99
00:23:42.000 Right now they're 14% of the population.
00:23:44.000 Back then, they were probably 10, 9 if we're going into the 50s.
00:23:49.000 They made up about 50% of the music business since rock and roll.
00:23:54.000 Since rock and roll, young people probably listen to, overall, 60% black.
00:24:01.000 If you include rap today, rock and roll back then, Motown, sure there's country music and rock, but for such a tiny percentage of the population, you're hardly being held back by gatekeepers.
00:24:13.000 In other words, get your hands off my punk. 1.00
00:24:17.000 Go ahead.
00:24:19.000 Racial separation and segregation.
00:24:21.000 Segregation. 0.89
00:24:22.000 That defined American culture.
00:24:24.000 That's cat.
00:24:25.000 You know, most of the 20th century.
00:24:26.000 It meant that black artists, you know, historically for most of the 20th century, couldn't make as much money playing their own music, didn't have access to the same pieces, you know, the same opportunities.
00:24:37.000 Now, in the 70s, there was another black punk band that really changed the scene.
00:24:42.000 Bad Brains, considered one of the most influential punk bands ever.
00:24:47.000 He's the only one.
00:24:51.000 This is from the 90s, by the way.
00:24:53.000 The group formed in 1976 in Washington, D.C., getting its name from a Ramones song.
00:24:58.000 The punk band dominated in the'80s with their mix of reggae and a very...
00:25:03.000 Bad Brains, the only band so far to give us the very black history of punk music, got their name from a white band from Queens called the Ramones, who are often credited with starting punk.
00:25:18.000 I think there's some merit to that.
00:25:20.000 I think they did it by accident.
00:25:21.000 They were trying to do rockabilly and they're just dumb and bad musicians.
00:25:25.000 And they played fast and everyone, that's punk.
00:25:27.000 Yeah, that's what I'm going for.
00:25:28.000 Punk.
00:25:29.000 That's what I meant.
00:25:29.000 Yep.
00:25:30.000 Have you noticed, by the way, she talks like that black chick in that MTV show, Race, where she black explains everything to you? 1.00
00:25:36.000 They have the exact same mannerisms.
00:25:40.000 And that wasn't really cool back then.
00:25:42.000 So people had to do something kind of different called Bad Brains.
00:25:47.000 All right, let's talk to Saeed again about this one band.
00:25:50.000 It's a big punk sound known as hardcore.
00:25:55.000 In fact, they, along with Minor Threat and Black Flag, are considered the pioneers of hardcore, which is a genre of punk which is, well, pretty damn fast.
00:26:04.000 And DC was hardcore's mecca and also one of the most long-term influential punk scenes.
00:26:10.000 And there were also other black punk bands like Pure Hell, Fishbone, and the UK's X-Ray Specs.
00:26:15.000 The main vocalist was a woman.
00:26:17.000 That is crazy.
00:26:19.000 So the only other, those bands that they listed, no one's ever heard of.
00:26:22.000 There's Fishbone, who were a ska band who came way later, like late 80s, 90s.
00:26:30.000 Fishbone were big in the early 90s.
00:26:34.000 So how is that the very black history of punk when punk had already been dead for at least a decade?
00:26:39.000 And then Polystyrene, you're going back now to the 70s and you found this woman.
00:26:44.000 No one thought of her as black, by the way. 0.93
00:26:46.000 I only found this out very recently.
00:26:48.000 Does that look like a black woman to you? 1.00
00:26:50.000 No, and we didn't think like that back then.
00:26:52.000 We didn't go, oh, X-ray specs are here.
00:26:55.000 I can't wait to see that African-American artist.
00:26:57.000 They had stuff on their head and rubber and latex and stuff and tons of crazy makeup.
00:27:03.000 You couldn't see what race she was. 1.00
00:27:05.000 It wasn't a thing.
00:27:08.000 She's half Somalian.
00:27:09.000 How is that a black history? 0.96
00:27:11.000 God.
00:27:12.000 Go ahead.
00:27:13.000 Oh, by the way, a little side note.
00:27:17.000 She, like Ariup of the Slits, I believe she died of cancer. 1.00
00:27:22.000 And punks have this stupid thing where they hate the system.
00:27:26.000 So as we get old, we get cancer.
00:27:29.000 So what do you do when you get cancer?
00:27:31.000 Screw you, big pharma.
00:27:32.000 I'm going to have creams and lotions and do Tai Chi and talk to the top herbalist in the area.
00:27:41.000 And then they die.
00:27:42.000 So punk kills.
00:27:44.000 It killed Polystyrene.
00:27:46.000 Oh, I remember this dude.
00:27:47.000 Is that the guy from Scream or something?
00:27:50.000 Go ahead.
00:27:52.000 It's worth noting that these bands weren't segregated to some black category.
00:27:57.000 They influenced other bands and vice versa.
00:27:59.000 Take Reggae, for example.
00:28:01.000 Numerous white punk bands used reggae in their music in the UK throughout the 70s, inspired by black punk bands' use of it.
00:28:07.000 In my conversation with Tate, he mentioned how this idea that rock or punk as an all-white boys club didn't really exist in the UK.
00:28:17.000 Black and brown punks were heavily influencing the scene. 1.00
00:28:20.000 Under the Thatcher government, there was a lot of disenfranchisement of white working class youth who were non-racist or anti-racist.
00:28:28.000 They kind of found their voice and their militancy through the political action.
00:28:33.000 Where are they?
00:28:34.000 Can you show me some photos?
00:28:35.000 Oh, we got one.
00:28:36.000 South Asian-born classmates, you know, and neighbors.
00:28:39.000 Those weren't.
00:28:40.000 And just like they're just stop for a second.
00:28:42.000 God, they're so lazy, aren't they? 0.99
00:28:44.000 They're just wasting this chic's money. 0.98
00:28:45.000 They just showed a bunch of poll tax protesters that had nothing to do with punk.
00:28:51.000 Yeah, there was, the black population, even with all the yardies coming in from Jamaica, was pretty darn small. 1.00
00:28:57.000 So even if 100% of young black people were into punk, you're not going to see a lot of punks in Britain.
00:29:03.000 They were kind of over it, really.
00:29:05.000 Go ahead.
00:29:06.000 That was the whole beauty of punk.
00:29:08.000 We didn't care who you were. 0.89
00:29:10.000 Punk was like, just pause for a sec.
00:29:12.000 Punk was like Animal House.
00:29:14.000 Remember at the beginning of Animal House where they're walking around the frat and they keep getting dropped at the couch with that guy with the big turban and the blind guy and the guy in a wheelchair, the losers, the misfits, the freaks?
00:29:24.000 That's what punk was.
00:29:25.000 It didn't care who you were.
00:29:27.000 A lot of ugly people were into punk.
00:29:29.000 A lot of fat chicks. 1.00
00:29:31.000 A lot of, you'd have like a handicapped guy.
00:29:34.000 I remember you'd see a couple wheelchairs at a punk show because our whole thing was we're the opposite of the jocks.
00:29:39.000 We're the opposite of the normies.
00:29:41.000 So we wanted you to have norms.
00:29:44.000 That was cool.
00:29:45.000 And the idea of being black, it wasn't a thing. 0.96
00:29:47.000 You're making it a thing.
00:29:48.000 And now you're going back and you're blackwashing history. 0.82
00:29:51.000 That's what all of this stuff is.
00:29:53.000 That's what Hamilton is.
00:29:54.000 That's what I saw this article recently, I won't shut up about how seven black women would be perfect as a new James Bond. 1.00
00:30:02.000 Stop blackwashing history, okay? 0.98
00:30:04.000 It's just false.
00:30:06.000 It's not true.
00:30:08.000 All right, go ahead.
00:30:09.000 Wars in Cambodia and Vietnam in the 70s or, well, Ronald Reagan's whole presidency throughout the 80s.
00:30:15.000 Big part of our punk, especially black punk, isn't a thing of the past.
00:30:19.000 It's still a live, budding cultural movement today.
00:30:22.000 I realize that, like, not only is rock and roll something that is native to people like myself and to Honeychild, but it's almost like my birthright.
00:30:33.000 That's Honeychild Coleman and Sasha Jenkins of the punk band trio, The 1865.
00:30:38.000 And yes, their name is referencing exactly what you think it's referencing.
00:30:41.000 Can you just stop?
00:30:41.000 The 1865.
00:30:44.000 I have some bad news for you.
00:30:46.000 The 1865 does not exist.
00:30:49.000 You are being hustled.
00:30:51.000 They've maybe played one Afro punk show.
00:30:54.000 This is just Sasha Jenkins and a couple of his friends screwing around.
00:30:59.000 This isn't a band.
00:31:00.000 And by the way, your video is called The Very Black History of Punk Music.
00:31:05.000 You gave me one hardcore band, Bad Brains, and now you're getting trolled by Sasha Jenkins and his friends as they noodle around on a guitar wearing a funny hat.
00:31:18.000 I mean, this is just pathetic.
00:31:20.000 And it's amazing how many young people get their information from crap videos like these.
00:31:25.000 The very black history. 0.51
00:31:27.000 Unbelievable.
00:31:28.000 How about the very black history of Motown or the very black history of jazz or the very black history of rap or the very black history of a thousand other types of music that blacks have pioneered?
00:31:38.000 Why do you want to get involved in punk and make such a terrible argument, you hideous five?
00:31:47.000 Is she a five? 0.99
00:31:49.000 Yeah, she's a five. 1.00
00:31:50.000 Go ahead.
00:31:52.000 References America in 1865, but when the Emancipation Proclamation brought a lot of promise of change for black Americans, except the racists had other plans.
00:32:03.000 Soon after, organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and other weren't really fans of people like myself and this young lady that got together and kind of made it their business to pause their business and make it what is less punk than being in your 40s.
00:32:19.000 Slash is married with kids.
00:32:21.000 You couldn't be less punk.
00:32:23.000 So you want to look oppressed and you go back to 1865.
00:32:27.000 I mean usually these people go back half a century To whine about racism.
00:32:31.000 When I say these people, I mean the left.
00:32:34.000 But now we have people going back to 1865 to bitch about the KKK.
00:32:39.000 That's how far back you have to go for the KKK to be relevant.
00:32:44.000 1865.
00:32:46.000 Your beef, sir, is that 1865 is racist.
00:32:50.000 Well, at least that's true.
00:32:53.000 At least you got something.
00:32:55.000 Nice substance, though.
00:32:57.000 I'm mad at English people for fighting the Scots for 700 years. 1.00
00:33:00.000 Did you know that that statue, what's his name, Cantwell or something, the statue in Halifax that they're taking down because he had a scalp on Indians' heads?
00:33:11.000 That same guy had a scalp for kilts, and he would murder Scots. 0.88
00:33:16.000 Scottish people were considered human garbage by the English.
00:33:19.000 And I'm going to start a band called 1300 and bitch about how horrible it was to be Scottish back then.
00:33:29.000 Pathetic.
00:33:29.000 I mean, it makes you look weak, really, Sasha.
00:33:32.000 Go ahead.
00:33:34.000 It's hard for us to live in America.
00:33:38.000 And so it must be horrible.
00:33:40.000 You look at the climate of where we are now.
00:33:41.000 I don't want to necessarily be so literal, but it feels like the same kinds of sentiments.
00:33:48.000 The 1865 makes music that looks at 1865 America from the lens of a runaway slave, a white southern soldier, a slave owner who felt no guilt.
00:33:58.000 The trio is part of a still growing and very visible black presence in the punk scene, something that was highlighted in the 2003 documentary, Afropunk.
00:34:06.000 The documentary really explored trials and good times faced by black youth who were an intimate part of a cultural scene that has always been seen as white by outsiders.
00:34:15.000 The film ended up inspiring a bigger cultural movement, including a festival started in 2005 by the same name.
00:34:21.000 The Afropunk Festival, which was started in Brooklyn and now is international, basically is about celebrating black artists, black creatives, and black fans in the alternative scene.
00:34:30.000 Honey Child Coleman, Sasha Jenkins, and Shauna Shantae, who runs a Black and Brown Punk Festival in Oakland, all say that there's nothing more punk than being black in America.
00:34:40.000 I'm not saying black people creative. 1.00
00:34:42.000 Afropunk is the least punk thing you could imagine.
00:34:48.000 It's injecting racial identity politics into punk, which was all about not doing that.
00:34:54.000 Punk rock was about no rules.
00:34:57.000 We would make fun of people like this.
00:34:59.000 47-year-olds, academics, hustlers, marketers doing a big marketing thing, we would make fun of that.
00:35:06.000 We wouldn't go to AfroPunk. 0.99
00:35:08.000 We'd laugh at it.
00:35:09.000 And this whole idea that we have to focus on the black fans, it's racist, is what it is.
00:35:15.000 There was black dudes in the scene when I was a young man.
00:35:17.000 To focus on them, I remember his name was Squeak.
00:35:20.000 If a documentary crew came by and wanted to talk to Squeak, we would all go, what are you doing here, you losers?
00:35:26.000 You old losers?
00:35:28.000 Get out of our house.
00:35:30.000 I guess that's what I'm saying to them right now.
00:35:33.000 Go ahead.
00:35:34.000 In punk rock, I'm saying we are punk rock without even trying.
00:35:38.000 The foundations of what people do that creates punk culture, say going on tour, booking your own tour through a like underground network, that's what black musicians had to do because we weren't allowed to play in clubs.
00:35:55.000 When we have been pushed to the margins, but we create in those margins and that's That it was my legacy and I never, I never believed anyone who told me I was trying to be white because I love rock and I love white.
00:36:13.000 No one told you that.
00:36:14.000 But even though they all agree that there's nothing more punk than being black, they also raise the point of how different the experience is of being either white or black in the punk scene.
00:36:23.000 When you're black, you're punk rock all the time. 1.00
00:36:26.000 You're a target.
00:36:26.000 Stop.
00:36:27.000 Did you see his skin?
00:36:29.000 That's punk rock.
00:36:30.000 Forget being black. 1.00
00:36:31.000 When you have giant craters in your face, you're punk rock all the time.
00:36:35.000 Go ahead.
00:36:36.000 Target all the time.
00:36:38.000 And I can't change the color of my skin.
00:36:40.000 There is a level of privilege that goes with, I'm going to put a safety pin through my nose and paint my hair, dye my hair green for three years, and then I'm going to clean up and put on a suit and get a corporate job.
00:36:52.000 We don't really have that luxury.
00:36:54.000 Yes, you do.
00:36:55.000 Just stop.
00:36:57.000 That is a good point in 1956.
00:37:01.000 In 2018, Sasha, you've been handed job after job after opportunity.
00:37:08.000 Look at this.
00:37:08.000 You don't even have a band and you've got a film crew over at your house asking you about your non-existent band as you sit there with a guitar on your belly pretending you guys are jamming all the time.
00:37:20.000 It's not a curse to be black anymore.
00:37:22.000 And when you keep saying that again and again, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:37:28.000 But for you, you know, if you think that you're black and it's making your life hell and blackity, black, black, black, then you create a little mini racist bubble where there really is the Klan following you, only it's all in your head.
00:37:42.000 What do you know about it?
00:37:44.000 You don't know what it's like to go for a drive and not know if you're going to come home alive.
00:37:48.000 Yeah, I do.
00:37:49.000 It's called paranoia.
00:37:52.000 All right, this is getting boring, but it's almost over.
00:37:54.000 By the way, have we completely given up on history now?
00:37:57.000 Now we're just hanging out with Sasha and his fake band?
00:38:00.000 Go ahead.
00:38:02.000 Cred for having punk years, but in my experience working in the corporate world, I can't let everybody know what I do outside of work because it could cost me my job.
00:38:14.000 Stop.
00:38:14.000 And for Shauna.
00:38:15.000 Stop.
00:38:16.000 She has a nose ring.
00:38:17.000 Her head is shaved except for a troll tuft on the top of her head. 0.92
00:38:21.000 But she cannot let her co-workers know that she's in a punky band or she would lose her job.
00:38:29.000 Where do you work, you fucking liar?
00:38:35.000 I don't like liars, but I hate bad liars too.
00:38:38.000 It's such a waste of my time.
00:38:40.000 Go ahead.
00:38:41.000 It remains super important to keep creating spaces that empower people on the margins.
00:38:47.000 I think it's important to see people who look like you making music and art.
00:38:50.000 It can feel very isolating.
00:38:52.000 So stop.
00:38:53.000 This is a very common myth that drives me nuts.
00:38:56.000 I think it's very important to see people who look like you making art.
00:39:00.000 This is the backbone of political correctness.
00:39:04.000 It comes up again, again, and again.
00:39:07.000 And it's not true.
00:39:08.000 They call it a, you have to see it to be it.
00:39:11.000 So we need to have black surgeons on TV so blacks can become surgeons. 0.55
00:39:16.000 We need to have black punks. 1.00
00:39:18.000 The government should pay for black punks so black people know they can be punks. 1.00
00:39:22.000 Meanwhile, being punk rock was all about rejecting society and trying to make yourself a freak, trying not to fit in.
00:39:30.000 Now we have to make people feel like they fit in.
00:39:33.000 No, it's not about tolerance and acceptance.
00:39:36.000 It's about a, they call it a f ⁇ you attitude for a reason.
00:39:39.000 It's not about holding hands.
00:39:43.000 You don't have to see it to be it.
00:39:44.000 Ben Carson is not a brain surgeon because he saw a black brain surgeon on TV.
00:39:49.000 He's a brain surgeon because he's smart and he worked very hard.
00:39:53.000 That's it.
00:39:54.000 This woman is a total, I don't like using the word idiot, but this woman is just an absolute windbag moron. 1.00
00:40:04.000 She has the IQ of a bag of flour. 1.00
00:40:06.000 Go ahead.
00:40:08.000 Say something of something.
00:40:09.000 It's depressing as a young person when people are trying to box you into one sort of identity and tell you how you have to be based on like your ethnicity or your class.
00:40:22.000 Punk is complicated.
00:40:26.000 Yeah.
00:40:27.000 You know who's telling you how you have to be because of your race?
00:40:31.000 Other black people.
00:40:32.000 If they are telling other black people that it's okay to be punk and they don't have to like rap and soul and R ⁇ B and they can like hard rock and black Sabbath, then you got a video. 0.75
00:40:41.000 Because that is a thing.
00:40:42.000 There's a real push for conformity in the black community. 0.99
00:40:45.000 But that's got nothing to do with this title and nothing to do with your stupid festival, Afro Punk. 0.70
00:40:51.000 How about we have a white rap festival?
00:40:54.000 Would that be cool?
00:40:56.000 Caucasian rap.
00:40:57.000 It's only white rappers and white fans of rap music.
00:41:01.000 We want to focus on the white contributions, the very white history of rap.
00:41:07.000 Does that sound like bullshit to you?
00:41:09.000 Yeah, it does.
00:41:11.000 Go ahead.
00:41:13.000 It's just simple raw music.
00:41:16.000 As a movement, it has this incredibly rich history that, like the people in it, is hard to box.
00:41:21.000 And if the black history of punk music tells us anything, it's how instrumental black musicians have been in the creation of American pop culture.
00:41:28.000 Life-changing interview.
00:41:31.000 Yeah.
00:41:32.000 And then Sasha's mashed the difference.