Gavin explains why he left the entertainment industry after 20 years to pursue a career as a writer and producer in comedy and why he thinks you should do the same. He also explains why you should never get into the entertainment business, and why you shouldn t even bother to get into it if you don t have the skills to do it. And he gives some advice to anyone else who wants to make a career in comedy or entertainment. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your stuff. It helps spread the word about the show and keep it going. And if you like the show, please consider becoming a patron patron. It's free, and it's free for you to support the show on any platform you choose. Just be sure to leave us a rating and a review on iTunes and we'll read it out to the world. Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your friends and family! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - Why you should not get into comedy 4:30 - What to do in comedy 6:20 - How to get your own show 7:00 Why you shouldn't get a job 8:00- Why you don't have the right skills 9:40 - You need to know what you re good at it 10:00s 11:15 - You don t need to have a good idea 12:40 13:00 What do you want to do? 14:00 | How to make it? 15:30 16: What are you looking for? 17:30 | Why you re going to get a good career? 18: What you re not getting a good deal? 19:40 | How do you need to be a good job? 21:20 22:00 How to become a better at this? 26:00 Is there a good person? 27:30 What you should be a better person than you re gonna get a better job 25:00 Why you can t have it? 26:30 How to be better than that? 28:00 Should you have a problem? 29:00 Can you make it better than I don t know what I m not enough? 35:00 You re not going to have it yet? 31:00 Are you ready to get started?
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00:00:01.000As a cop, I've seen things that would make you crap a book on how to puke.
00:00:09.000That's my favorite line in a sitcom ever.
00:00:12.000I believe it was written by Dan Harmon.
00:00:26.000Dan Harmon was the most prolific back then.
00:00:29.000He was fired because he's impossible to work with and I was fired from the TV industry because I'm impossible to work with.
00:00:38.000That's what I want to base today's podcast on.
00:00:41.000I've had a whole career in television and there's very few successful people in TV but there's a lot of unsuccessful people who make a good living.
00:00:55.000I mean if I had a, I haven't checked my IMDB, I guess because it's mostly pilots, but if I just lived in LA and my TV career was the only thing I'd ever done, writing pilots, and yeah, not acting, although I've had sort of an acting career too, but just writing pilots, pitching pilots, I'd be like a lower middle class guy, family man.
00:01:20.000Uh, and that's the weird thing about TV.
00:01:23.000It's sort of like the music business before MP3s, where there's just money floating around.
00:01:30.000They're signing all these crappy bands, hoping they'll get a Celine Dion.
00:01:35.000And so I was one of those crappy bands.
00:01:38.000And I think it's, millennials have this disdain for entrepreneurs that's very unhealthy for the country.
00:01:44.000That they talk about how they want to end capitalism, smash capitalism, it's time for communism.
00:01:51.000And you go, guys, you have to, being an entrepreneur sucks.
00:02:10.000It's a job that sucks, being an entrepreneur, and you don't, you know, you don't want to be carried on people's shoulders, but you just, you appreciate a little tip of the hat.
00:02:19.000Hey Gavin, you had an entire career in TV that nosedived and never went anywhere.
00:02:41.000Because that means the other guys who did it are better at it and we got better TV.
00:02:46.000You know, culling the herd and all that.
00:02:50.000But my career started in, it's funny talking about a failed career, it's like talking about a divorce.
00:02:58.000Like I was taking notes, and I was looking up some old files, which aren't even on my desktop, I found them as mail attachments of old scripts and stuff, and I went, oh my god, I totally forgot about that whole thing!
00:03:09.000There was like 50 different scenes I was in.
00:03:13.000Now you might, this is also about you getting into it.
00:03:18.000Uh, I hope that my story encourages you, but I'll go, I'll jump to the very end as far as you go.
00:03:29.000If you want to make a TV show, I think you should do it the workaholics way where you just make it, you make it crappy on your own and then you, um,
00:03:41.000That has its own following and then when you're pitching it to Comedy Central or whatever.
00:03:45.000There's already three seasons in the tank I believe that was the deal with workaholics and the beauty of that too is
00:03:53.000They can't say, what if this guy was... Because they have no idea what they're doing, by the way, these people, the top brass of TV, all these execs that you talk to.
00:04:03.000I'd say, with the exception of maybe three, like Kent Alterman, the guy running Comedy Central, at least he was when I last checked, he's a hilarious dude.
00:04:14.000I think he did Strangers with Candy, which is probably the greatest show ever.
00:05:06.000So because she was head of sales, when South Park exploded and became more valuable than Comedy Central itself, they got to just put anyone remotely associated with it got the top spots.
00:05:16.000So they said, hey, sales lady, you're the head of programming.
00:05:19.000So now all of a sudden, some chick who does sales is deciding what's funny or not.
00:05:29.000I mean, I guess coaches can't necessarily play football, but
00:05:33.000If you're running programming at a comedy network, you should be funny, I believe.
00:05:40.000So anyway, these people are incompetent.
00:05:42.000So while you're pitching your show, you're dealing with unfunny people, and it's a total roll of the dice if they're gonna, you know, sign you or not.
00:06:29.000By the way, I also feel the same way about books.
00:06:31.000The way you get a book deal these days is you spend six months on the proposal and it should have like five chapters written and you have to do this long story about why you're writing the book.
00:06:44.000It's maybe a third of a book in and of itself.
00:06:48.000And at that point I go, just write the book.
00:06:51.000And then if the publishers aren't going to give you a big advance, like say more than $40,000, then just do it yourself on Amazon and you get 50% of the sales.
00:07:23.000If the audio sucks and you're just using the ambient noise of the room, like there's just a, whatever the directional mic is on the camera, you're an idiot and a loser and you don't deserve to have a show.
00:08:19.000We only got employees after we got money, and we only got money after we got bought, and when we got bought we went to New York immediately.
00:08:32.000But, Richard Sawinski was this eccentric billionaire who bought us, and moved us to New York, and he said, he had a really high-pitched voice, and he said, Guys!
00:08:42.000He was a nerd, who got involved in CGI early, and then the company that he invested in, I believe they're called Animalogic, they ended up doing Jurassic Park, and won all these awards, and they became worth hundreds of millions.
00:09:42.000And we had a very unique take on things.
00:09:45.000My motto was smart in a stupid way, stupid in a smart way.
00:09:48.000So if you're going to go to Israel and talk about the conflict with the Palestinians, you make that whole thing about where to find a good cheeseburger in Jerusalem.
00:09:59.000Because the background will be, you know, people with Kalashnikovs or whatever guns they have, M16s, all these, you know, when you walk around Israel, everyone has their gun because the worst thing that could happen is your gun to get stolen and used in a terrorist act.
00:10:12.000So when you're in the military, your gun is like a teddy bear.
00:10:15.000You sleep with it, you bring it to a dance party.
00:10:31.000Conversely, if you're doing something like the Vice Guide to Shit,
00:10:36.000You don't just have like, this one's called a stinker, woo!
00:10:40.000You have, you talk to doctors and scientists and about colonons and, and you know, get super serious and make it a definitive guide that a doctor would go, wow, that's really conclusive.
00:10:52.000Smart in a stupid way, stupid in a smart way.
00:11:32.000And I was sort of like, he could have been an intern, basically.
00:11:36.000And so it was someone they pawn off the loser meetings to, and I definitely was a loser.
00:11:40.000When I think of the thing I had made, it had stuff from the magazine like a gross jar and it had Derek Beckles eating a goldfish and it was just weak.
00:12:17.000And he had these guys doing other things.
00:12:19.000And it was the dudes from Big Brother, a skateboard magazine.
00:12:22.000And it was this guy named Johnny Knoxville and his friends from the skateboard magazine were doing just what they usually do, but recording it, like jumping off a ladder onto a bed of nails or whatever, a bed of tacks, and breaking bottles on their heads.
00:12:36.000And he goes, this is the kind of thing we're interested in.
00:12:38.000And I just looked at him and went, out of my league!
00:12:42.000Like, this is unbelievably good, and I cannot compete.
00:13:05.000So, they, and they controlled the budget, they controlled everything.
00:13:09.000So I believe the first Jackass movie cost five million dollars to make, and it grossed something like two hundred million.
00:13:16.000Of course, that's bad for the rest of us, because they go, can you make me a Blair Witch project that costs about a hundred grand and makes fifty times that?
00:14:37.000You know, one of the few exceptions to that is Derek Waters, the guy who does Drunk History.
00:14:41.000He was pitching a show about a college town that was like his town in Baltimore, and when he would do his pitch, he brought the town with him.
00:14:50.000He had made a mini village with a gas station and everything, like a four feet by four foot little village he constructed, like in that Lego movie at the end.
00:15:01.000He had a little society with little people there and trees and everything, like a little train set type of setup.
00:15:08.000I think that went on to be that college show that Dan Harmon ended up doing.
00:15:11.000Derek and Dan had a real, there's a lot of drama that goes on in TV that no one wants to know about because they don't want to be known as hard to work with.
00:15:19.000Or they don't want to be known as a drama queen.
00:15:21.000But I think Derek Waters and Dan Harmon had some real back and forth.
00:15:27.000I think that, uh, I think Dan was accused of stealing Community from Derek Waters.
00:15:33.000I remember Derek was, was, when he was, I'm probably screwing up this story, but Derek finally got a meeting with HBO, and they were interested, and maybe it was Drunk History, and Dan Harmon saw him at a funeral, and even though they were friends, Dan said something like, oh look, it's Mr. HBO!
00:15:54.000That when you get that level of talented, like that Dino Flopadopoulos, who wrote most of Mr. Show and works with Jay Johnson a lot, that guy's a weirdo.
00:16:04.000A genius, hilarious weirdo, who I believe lived with his dominatrix for a while, and her husband.
00:16:11.000So she'd go downstairs and beat him up once in a while with chains, I don't know.
00:16:43.000For example, in one of the shows that I was pitching, I talk about how they ended up going on a gay cruise, because it was less expensive, and they're kind of homophobic, and they end up bonding with the homos, because they're so fun, and there's all these weird drinks, like it's a potpourri, pina colada, appletini.
00:17:09.000And he learns how to make it, and they're playing volleyball, and they're saying, you faggot, to the other team, because he's with the Bears, you know, like the tough gays with the leather.
00:17:19.000He bonds with them and they make fun of the effeminate gays, so one of the characters blends right in and the other character is totally uncomfortable.
00:17:51.000If you watch traffic, you could do four pitches, four or five pitches in a day.
00:17:58.000So in three days, you basically got every single network easy.
00:18:02.000Comedy Central, FX, HBO, uh... Well, I never did the mainstream... I think I did NBC and CBS and those, like, once, but that was a whole other world.
00:18:57.000And after a high-adrenaline pitch sesh where you're running from meeting to meeting and dazzling them, like shucking and jiving and, Hello, my baby!
00:20:52.000Whatever's normal, I would always say to the lawyers, take what's normal, see if you can get a tiny bit more, and that'll pay for your salary, your 5%.
00:21:58.000I could make a movie with that much money.
00:22:01.000Unfortunately, there's all these unions and stuff you have to follow, so that instantly gets drained.
00:22:06.000But if you just give me the money and let me shoot it run and gun, as they say, everyone bring their own lunch, I could shoot a movie for nothing.
00:25:30.000No one wants to make out with a guy who looks like you put an apple in the back of a car in July and then licked it and then rubbed it on a barbershop floor.
00:25:40.000No one wants to have sex with Beaker if he was a homeless man.
00:25:45.000But men are only as loyal as their opportunities, right?
00:25:48.000So this goes back to Trump and the pussy thing.
00:25:52.000People don't get that when you're in a position of power, whether you're ugly or not, women hurl themselves at you.
00:25:58.000Now, I'm sure Harvey Weinstein, it happened once or twice, and then he multiplied that by 1,000.
00:26:03.000But for the most part, it's a Knoxville scenario if you're not hideous and you're famous and rich and powerful.
00:26:13.000So we would go and pitch shows, and that's easy pitching with them.
00:26:17.000They're incredibly popular, and they're professional, and they go through the whole thing, and all I have to do is just be a little bit funny, and we're good.
00:26:25.000Now we're up to like 2008, 2006 and 2007 around then.
00:26:29.000You know, they kick each other in the balls so often that when you're around Jeff Tremaine and Steve-O and Knoxville, the normal position for you to be in is your hands cupping your balls.
00:30:05.000And also, when you're talking to people, later when I got into advertising, they'd go, we want to do a viral video because it's a really cheap way to get a lot of eyeballs.
00:30:12.000And I'd go, yeah, it's called being funny.
00:30:14.000And they'd go, OK, well, this is what you should do.
00:31:50.000I remember I sent a pilot back and forth so many times to the client that I looked at it and I was reading it and I realized not one sentence in this entire pilot is a sentence I wrote from scratch.
00:32:04.000And so when they finally rejected, I go, good.
00:32:41.000And we go, okay, you know I'm holding a mic that says Netflix the entire time, right?
00:32:47.000But, uh, so that got, that's somewhere in the toilet somewhere, another one of my many failures.
00:32:52.000That's called a million in the morning.
00:32:54.000Cause that was from a quote where I was, I think I was high and I was just saying, it's what, it's about a million in the morning right now.
00:33:03.000And, uh, that was the movie watching World Championships.
00:33:05.000They watched movies for five days straight.
00:35:45.000I need it to be mushed into mushed blackberries with crushed ice.
00:35:49.000I need a blueberry smoothie, by the way!
00:35:53.000And then I look, what this made me even madder, I look next to these, and I'm not even going to call them fags, because gays don't do that.
00:36:00.000The gays would be with me, trying to slam a Makers.
00:36:03.000So, homosexual has, was an insult in the 70s and 80s maybe, but now beta males are way more gay than gays.
00:36:12.000Now a gay calling them a fag would be a compliment.
00:38:58.000Now I want to just, if I had, I'm glad it's not legal to carry a knife at the airport, because I just wanted to just slit both their necks, just watch the jugglers just spill all over their suits.
00:39:11.000So I was mad that my little character was coming across as too benign.
00:39:17.000So I just, as I walked away I go, DID YOU GET A FUCKING SPRAY TAN TOO?!
00:39:24.000Just to establish here that I'm Trojan Horsing an insult and you're liking the Trojan Horse too much.
00:39:30.000So I had to jump out and stab a little.
00:39:33.000And then we got to the gate and we went and we go to meet Jimmy Miller.
00:39:36.000And I'm wearing my tartan suit and he walks in, bald guy, he looks like Dennis Miller.
00:39:43.000I actually didn't know he was Dennis Miller's brother for the longest time and I used to say, you look like a bald Dennis Miller.
00:39:48.000Which he would say, what a weird thing to say.
00:39:49.000Like he'd look at me weird and I thought, I think it's pretty astute.
00:39:52.000And then I found out later, yeah of course he looks like Dennis Miller, it's his brother!
00:39:57.000So he walks into the board meeting and there's this guy Sam that we used to work with.
00:42:01.000The head of City, we were at Yankee Stadium, the head of Yankee Stadium comes over and asks, hey, can you just wave to the camera and do a little promo and say hi, I'm at Yankee Stadium?
00:43:31.000I mean, I was looking at these files, and there's... We did one show... The first show was The Aging Hipster, it was called, and it was about a guy who made a bunch of money in media, and his wife has beautifully evolved into the upper middle class, whatever, and she's a happy New Yorker on the Upper East Side, but the man with the money still wants to be cool with the kids, and he's hanging out with people half his age, and it's frustrating, and...
00:46:25.000What if that was a guy who just regularly lived there in this sort of hipster kid's body, and he had a smoking problem, and he had ex-girlfriends, and he had debts he had to solve, and gambling debts, and then Michael Cera guy was always like, oh no, we're gonna get in a fight again.
00:46:42.000But sometimes he would help Michael and, you know, give him the balls to stand up for himself.
00:46:47.000It's sort of like every man's personality, right?
00:46:50.000Sometimes we're weak and soft, and then other times, after a whiskey, of course, we're ballsy and don't- No, no, I'm not doing that!
00:46:58.000By the way, back to women in the workforce, if a man wanted to have sex with me and it was going to protect my job, I would say, I'm looking for a new job!
00:47:08.000The idea of lying under someone and letting them penetrate me, or having them penetrate my head, my face, for- to grease the wheels of my career?
00:47:19.000I don't want to be in that career, thank you.
00:48:08.000So Jay and I wrote a pilot called The Two Bennys, we did for Nick Wedenfeld at Adult Swim, who wears scarves a lot and is seen as cool to a lot of nerds.
00:48:17.000I think he ended up going to do an Adult Swim type of thing for Fox that I don't think ever materialized.
00:48:36.000I'm not saying they didn't work hard, but some of these, the guys who actually just work with the creative people and say, go pitch that and say yes, and then hire this guy, but don't actually make anything.
00:48:51.000But, uh, and he works his ass off, but.
00:48:54.000Um, yeah, the writers, they don't make money.
00:48:58.000And the funny thing, too, about the TV thing, and this is why I wanted to talk about it today, I'd come back to New York and I wouldn't tell anyone because it's not impressive.
00:51:21.000I hate the way Northern Europeans, like Scandinavians, will wear those little puma shoes that barely have any treads and they look like ballerina shoes with a little puma on the side.
00:51:31.000And then they have their hair teased like they're in Kajagoogoo with their blonde bangs going over their eyes.
00:52:39.000By the way, the head of programming at IFC, Dan Polanyk or something like that, I looked up his resume and it was, I wrote this pilot, I shot this pilot, I wrote this pilot.
00:55:02.000Heretofore, the witness shall therein be, and from heretofore referred to as, Exhibit A. Exhibit A will then, under the property, will take back those rights, wherein to, they will write up to, subjugated in perpetuity of, and I said, alright, back to work guys.
00:55:22.000So I figure, let's just let these spinning plates spin.
00:55:25.000And so I do this show, America on $0 a day, where I just walk outside my front door, hitchhike, and I travel America on absolutely nothing.
00:55:58.000It gets cancelled, of course, because that's the way it is.
00:56:03.000Travel, by the way, this is, this is, you can go right up to, like, I shot the upfronts.
00:56:08.000I'm like, hi, I'm traveling on zero dollars a day and I throw my wallet in the garbage and travel, the sign travels behind me and Anthony Bourdain is there saying, hi, I'm Anthony Bourdain, I have a show too.
00:56:19.000And we have a big dinner and I'm sitting next to the head of programming for travel and everyone's so thrilled.
00:56:45.000That guy, the head of programming, he was the laughing stock back in, I think, 2000, because he bet all his money on some loser named Zach Galifianakis.
00:56:56.000And he said, Zach is a genius, and he's going to be huge.
00:57:12.000And then a couple years went by, and Zach became the biggest thing since sliced bread, and all of a sudden everyone went back to that guy and said, oh, actually, you are smart.
00:58:04.000But, uh... A typical example of a sketch was a guy's Benny Hill is looking at a girl, and I do this sometimes.
00:58:15.000If I'm looking at someone, and I usually start with the shoes, because if you're wearing platform flip-flops, then we can't be together.
00:58:21.000So I start with the shoes, see if those pass, then I work up, look at the boobs, whatever, then I look at the face, and sometimes I'll be not happy with the face.
01:00:07.000So that show was based on a Warren Beatty movie where he's a hairdresser and he's straight and he bangs all these chicks.
01:00:15.000So ours was these three guys who want to get laid so they open a hairdressing salon and they go to the schools and they learn how to become hairdressers.
01:00:25.000And it's just three dudes out meeting chicks.
01:00:56.000Like, how about I write, I think, actually I think the way it is now is you have to have written the pilot and shot a teaser, a seven minute teaser, because shooting has become so cheap now.
01:01:08.000So now it's become streamlined, but this was back in the early 2000s, 2010, back when it was basically the 1970s record business and they were all looking for their next kiss.
01:01:23.000And by the way, going over this, I realized there was entire times I didn't, I forgot happened.
01:01:51.000So much gets turfed even before you get to the pitch.
01:01:54.000But we did pitch the show called Mama Tried about a tattoo shop called Mama Tried, and this guy, he's an ex-junkie, and he's clean, but he starts getting in over his head because his tattoo shop's going under.
01:02:12.000I mean, we're meeting other people, and we're pitching it, and then I met this guy, Jim O'Doherty, I think his name was.
01:02:18.000He did the Tracy Morgan Show, and our pitch was insane!
01:02:22.000Like, we had a beatbox in it, where we play the theme song from the show.
01:02:26.000We had got a band to record, and we have special effects, like bloop, bloop, bloop.
01:02:31.000We're pitching it, and then he's done all these 90s sitcoms, and then we pitch it to FX, and it was amazing, and then FX calls after, and they go,
01:02:38.000Why don't you just pitch us a 90s sitcom?
01:02:52.000So here's sort of my last kick at the can.
01:02:56.000I did a show called Man vs. Myth for Discovery UK.
01:02:59.000Flew out to London a few times and they were interested.
01:03:02.000By now I've been doing this for so long that when they ask for samples or they ask for ideas, I have the 15 pilots I've written and a hundred ideas.
01:03:55.000So we come up with this idea, man versus myth.
01:03:57.000And I beat out some other contestants.
01:03:59.000It's funny, this is going to sound crazy, but going to London and competing to be the host of this show, everyone in England is so ugly that I'm basically not Brad Pitt, but I'm breathtakingly gorgeous in London.
01:05:35.000They wrap you in wires, and they put stuff on your finger, and they sit you on a butt pad, and they put Velcro around your waist to intimidate you so you'll get nervous and spill the beans.
01:05:44.000And it sounds so funny when I hear people go, she's actually agreed to take a polygraph.
01:05:49.000Ooh, you've agreed to use a Ouija board.
01:06:53.000The polygraph guy discovers whatever you tell him is secretly going on.
01:06:58.000Like, I could say, uh, I was in Afghanistan, but I'm, I don't like talking about it, so I always lie about it.
01:07:07.000The lie detector, someone else will plant that in the lie detector guy's head, he'll go through his sheets, and he'll discover, oh, yes, he was in Afghanistan.
01:09:00.000Oh, by the way, another reason these pilots bomb is, you come back, you're ready to submit it, and they make you spend a couple months writing it, even though you could do it in 20 minutes.
01:09:12.000When you come back, no one is there from the original cast.
01:09:31.000So, uh, um, we pitched this show, uh, uh, yeah, sorry, Man vs. Myth with Discovery, and we did that, and this is when my, uh, article came out on Thought Catalog.
01:09:45.000Thought Catalog is this, is this website, it's, it was like Huffington Post or something, but it's all sort of, uh, new concepts, right?
01:09:55.000It's brain games, like, I don't think we should eat food!
01:09:59.000Or sleep is a myth, or just outside of the box.
01:10:01.000But of course, because it's millennials who are incapable of counterintuitive thought, the only time they could think outside the box was anti-white male patriarchy stuff.
01:10:36.000Now obviously you don't want someone prosecuted, but it's just a dumb sort of... It's like when Taylor Swift... When Jonathan Swift said the Irish should eat their babies because of the population.
01:12:56.000I remember when I was a kid, I wanted to write a poem, so I wrote out a bunch of words that rhymed, and then I showed it to my mom before writing the poem.
01:13:48.000I did that because I noticed, I did a card trick once, you can find it online, it's called like street card and street magic, and I put a card in a condom up my butt.
01:13:56.000And then I was doing street magic with tourists and I pretend I can't find the card and I go, oh wait!
01:14:00.000And then I pull it out and go, is this your card?
01:14:02.000And it was your card because the entire deck was the same, it was an ace of spades.
01:14:10.000And I noticed I was grumpy when I had that card up my ass and the saying what's up your ass makes sense So I pissed in the cornflakes that makes sense, but I couldn't use it So then I went I said I had some challenge out like if you can find me doing this wrong I'll eat a bowl of pissed cornflakes And then I made up someone catching me and then I had to eat them and Gawker and all these lefty blogs They absolutely gobbled it up.
01:17:14.000And don't do it before bed, by the way.
01:17:15.000They get too amped up and then they won't sleep.
01:17:19.000So what I want to impart is all this smashing the patriarchy, all this old people suck, all this don't have kids, all this America sucks, all this traditionalism sucks stuff is BS.
01:18:46.000That's the big best-kept secret of publishing.
01:18:49.000So if you're gonna sell 10,000 you should keep 50% of the profits yourself.
01:18:55.000So, my point is today, that if you feel like you've got an important message that's gonna save the world, don't let the gatekeepers decide how that message goes out and when it goes out.
01:19:06.000If you have something you want the world to see, and it's not a message to save the world, it's just something you think is funny, then don't let the gatekeepers tell you how it goes out.
01:19:15.000Because I've met these people, and they're not omnipotent.