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00:00:13.000And the reason I bring this up is to talk about how terrible journalism is.
00:00:21.000Every time they write about something you know, I've said this many times, your hometown, your favorite band, you, you go, that's not true.
00:01:20.000I think that she is an affirmative action hire who was hired because she's Muslim, and when you affirmative action hire someone like that, their job is to affirmative action stuff.
00:01:32.000Like, if I was hired, if the Scottish, national Scottish community pushed for me to get a job as a politician, I would feel obligated to do Scottish things.
00:01:43.000And make sure that we have hand-cut fries in every restaurant and frozen fries are heavily taxed.
00:01:50.000I'd make sure that whiskey and beer was cheap.
00:01:54.000I'd make sure there was a pub on every corner.
00:01:56.000You know, important Scottish cultural things like that.
00:01:59.000I'd make sure the food was shitty and there was a lot more violence.
00:02:03.000So Ilhan Omar feels obligated to, you know, push Palestine, push CAIR, C-A-I-R.
00:02:11.000So here's an example, and I'm giving a nonpartisan example to show you how ubiquitous this issue is.
00:02:16.000I don't think it was like this in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
00:02:19.000I think maybe blogging has turned the media into LazyTown USA.
00:02:27.000So yeah, Barack Obama, she belittled his pretty face and saying it was all an illusion and he caged kids.
00:03:12.000Just because Ryan Katsu Rivera is breathtakingly gorgeous doesn't mean we have to follow what he has to say.
00:03:18.000Just because your pants swell when he walks into the room, just because you catch yourself going, because drool is falling off your bottom lip, that doesn't mean we have to, we have, we have to, we can ignore his policies.
00:03:33.000That's why I can get away with being a ditzy broad all the time.
00:04:06.000Okay, so we saw, I was in his neighborhood, and I was dropping him off somewhere, and there was some guy pushing a twin stroller, and he was clearly not a manny, he was clearly a dad.
00:04:18.000And so I go, the great thing about, and he was being kind of uppity, because we got in his way doing a U-turn, and you could see him like,
00:04:25.000You know, these guys turn into moms when they're stay-at-home dads.
00:05:49.000And where I had to go, when I went inside, I thought of just saying that because you're like, you know how to fuck with those guys.
00:05:56.000You say, stay at home dad, the acronym is APT.
00:06:00.000And although I didn't know what it meant, I almost said it to the person at the post office just to see if it like unlocked something or like a secret word.
00:06:07.000But he's not a stay at home dad, he's got a job at the post office.
00:06:10.000Yeah, that's why I didn't really get it.
00:06:11.000I thought that's what I... What's it like being like you?
00:09:01.000Christopher Hitchens could afford to be smug.
00:09:04.000Jill Abramson, after reading this book, and I only read the parts about me, I counted 19.
00:09:09.000I hope I find another one because 20 is a much funner number.
00:09:12.000I counted 19 just terrible, pathetic mistakes.
00:09:20.000Now, was she- I was gonna say maybe she was fired because she's terrible at her job and terrible at journalism and terrible at reporting, but I don't think that's the case.
00:09:28.000I- I think she was fired because she- Pinch didn't like her anymore and, you know, those- these people, these rich liberals are just petty little cunts.
00:09:37.000And they're just like, nah, you farted, you're fired.
00:09:40.000That's probably why she was fired, don't overthink it, Joe.
00:09:43.000But you may have- you've definitely under-thunk this piece of shit of a book.
00:09:55.000And the reason that I've made this my podcast is not really to talk about Vice, but to talk about how uninformed we all are because of the incompetence of the media.
00:10:05.000And I'm a big fan of the New York Post.
00:12:18.000So the book is, it's actually kind of a cool idea.
00:12:20.000She wants to talk about how journalism has changed and how it's gone online and the stories are cheaper now and there's, it used to be, you know, the four gatekeepers like the New York Times, the Washington Post, I don't know, the LA Times, I don't fucking know.
00:14:41.000As for the new digital competitors, the question was whether they were ready to step up to be our guardians of truth.
00:15:03.000That's how she sees the New York Times, the guardian of truth after all of their horrible catastrophes, Jason Blair and oh my lord.
00:15:18.000Bill McGowan wrote two books on all of the New York Times lies and when you start reading it with a critical eye and you see their contempt for the family and their blind worship of Islam,
00:15:31.000So on the same page she talks about the Times being the guardian of truth.
00:15:35.000She says, until a Mexican billionaire rode to the rescue with a huge loan.
00:15:40.000She's talking about Carlos Slim, who bailed out the New York Times from bankruptcy, and all of a sudden there was a bunch of fluff pieces on Carlos Slim.
00:15:47.000There's another example of their incompetence.
00:15:53.000All of their coverage of illegal aliens became very positive.
00:15:57.000What a coincidence that Carlos Slim, Carlos Slim's a, he's not actually ethnically Mexican, I think he's Lebanese or something, but he's a Mexican.
00:16:06.000And he makes all his money through cell phones, but also through the charge to send money back.
00:16:11.000So when illegals send $3,000 back, he keeps a nice little 50 bucks.
00:16:25.000Just like Jeff Bezos doesn't like Trump, so the Washington Post shits on him as soon as possible because they get their money from Jeff Bezos.
00:16:32.000Why buy a newspaper if you can't get them to say what you want?
00:16:36.000But of course she just glazes over that.
00:17:12.000And this is going to sound irrelevant to you, and I know I'm starting to sound like Lenny Bruce when he became obsessed with his trial and would bring the transcripts of the court documents on stage and pour through the minutia.
00:17:26.000Of course, Lenny Bruce was relevant, too, but it got a little pedantic as he tore through the hundreds of pages of court docs.
00:17:33.000And this is going to get a little tedious, too.
00:17:36.000It's all part of a bigger picture, which is when you're reading a book, when you're reading an article, when you're reading or seeing a video, a documentary even, you are dealing most of the time with a half-assed piece of shit who has no regard for the truth.
00:17:53.000Now, of course, take that line out of context and say, Gavin McInnes calls Jill Abramson a piece of shit.
00:17:59.000No, I was talking about lazy journalists in general.
00:18:05.000So, Soroush Alvi hired McInnes after seeing the comic book he was working on, called Pervert, and taking a particular liking to a strip about heroin.
00:18:40.000He was shopping the magazine door-to-door.
00:18:42.000The truth is much more interesting than this shit, anyway.
00:18:45.000He was shopping the magazine door-to-door, and he had printed it out on a shitty little printer, and sort of glued the pages together, and made a tabloid with articles, and then there was blank spaces that said, your ad here.
00:18:56.000And he was going to, you know, retail places.
00:19:05.000So he hired me to be the comic guy and I saw how easy it was to write and how... I was immediately struck by how conformist writers are when they write a CD review.
00:19:19.000They just say, and coming in their epitomous debut, the Beastie Boys have a blah, blah, blah.
00:19:26.000The first song hits you hard, and it's just so similar to every other CD review.
00:19:33.000So I did my first CD review, because he wanted some variety, and I said, it was a Furnace Face.
00:19:54.000Nothing remotely interesting, just made-up stories about how Saroosh saw my comic book on the street and he liked the heroine thing, so he said, get me Gavin McInnes!
00:20:52.000Back then, one of our favorite comic books was called Hate by Peter Bag.
00:21:00.000Hate just meant this sort of grumpy, Anthony Cumia, everyone sucks kind of thing.
00:21:07.000It didn't mean I'm racist, which is a distinction she should make if she wants to be an accurate reporter.
00:21:14.000But when I first read that, I thought, hey, maybe she stole that from my book.
00:21:18.000And I did list Sewer Cunt and Fuck Magazine and how she was like them, but this wasn't an example of plagiarism, which is pretty rare in this book.
00:21:26.000It's uncommon to find things that are not plagiarized.
00:21:30.000And Michael Moynihan, I asked him actually, I said, let's do a podcast or a vidcast or a YouTube video where we go through all these.
00:21:38.000And I don't think he's allowed with with vice.
00:21:41.000I have a non-disclosure agreement and Yeah, there's a lot of legal problems with us Reuniting so I think he realized the pros outweigh the cons But um, yeah, if you just look look up Michael C Moynihan plagiarism Jill Abramson and he lists a ton of
00:22:25.000And then they learned to live with a puppy.
00:22:29.000That's her previous work, The Puppy Diaries.
00:22:33.000So, I think she just paid a bunch of interns, probably her daughter's friends, and said, she's got this really irritating Connecticut drawl, this aristocratic drawl.
00:22:47.000You know, they sort of have Basset Hound jowls, rich New Yorkers, and they sort of talk like they just got back from the dentist, and they can't feel their lips at all.
00:23:01.000So, my daughter's friends, I paid them to go fill in some holes in my book.
00:23:10.000And of course, they don't have, they're spoiled, right?
00:23:12.000Legal aliens did all their jobs their whole lives, so even these kids she hired, and I'm guessing she hired kids by the way, even these kids she's hired, they have no work ethic, they have no interest in it.
00:23:22.000I mean, Matt Palumbo helped Dan Bongino write Spygate, and Matt really cares about what he does, so the research is amazing and there's zero plagiarism.
00:23:32.000This is just a bunch of rich kids in skinny jeans who just cut and pasted, handed it to Jill, and Jill didn't bother looking it up.
00:23:40.000This is, by the way, this theory I just said, that's me giving her the benefit of the doubt.
00:23:48.000Then what she's being accused of, which is her doing the cutting and pasting.
00:23:52.000Anyway, here's just one of the many examples.
00:23:55.000In August 2003, McInnes wrote a column in the American Conservative magazine run by Pat Buchanan.
00:23:59.000In the magazine, he called young people a bunch of knee-jerk liberals, a phrase McInnes and his cronies use often, who believe anyone with dark skin over anyone with light skin.
00:24:26.000Basically repeating that exact sentence.
00:24:28.000He wrote a column in the American Conservative magazine run by Pat Buchanan calling young people a bunch of knee-jerk liberals, a phrase McInnes and his ilk often used.
00:24:36.000So the Ryerson Review says, a phrase McInnes and his cronies use often.
00:24:41.000Jill goes, a phrase McInnes and his ilk often used.
00:24:45.000Is this someone who should be writing?
00:24:47.000Is this someone who should be putting a book out?
00:24:50.000Do you want to do one where you read her, I got another one, when he lived in Chicago?
00:25:00.000Who would believe anyone with dark skin over anyone with light skin?
00:25:02.000He lamented the liberal views of his magazine's readers, and that contrasts to he laments the liberal views.
00:25:09.000So she made lamented past tense, that's the only change there, and then saying they were quote-unquote brainwashed by communist propaganda.
00:25:17.000Okay, so you want to do the vice cop one?
00:25:31.000When he lived in Chicago, Jason Mojica sang in punk bands, ran a record label, and owned a cafe, the Jinx Cafe, and a video rental shop, in brackets, Jinx and Big Brother, respectively.
00:25:45.000He even wrote a few art reviews for this magazine.
00:25:49.000In December 2006, Mojica and two friends traveled to Chad with a camera to explore why Darfur couldn't be saved.
00:25:58.000The result was the 2008 documentary Christmas in Darfur.
00:26:50.000Uh, so, you gotta look up this article on Medium, by Thomas Morton, called News to Me, and the first line is, what I learned about myself from Jill Abramson's Merchants of Truth.
00:28:48.000Sorry about your earthquake tornado thing.
00:28:52.000I couldn't tell in the before-after pictures which is which, but I'm gonna get a ton of money out of you, Haiti, because that's how it works.
00:29:00.000Haiti and their... their... Montreal... Here's what was going on!
00:29:07.000Canada's really into multiculturalism.
00:29:09.000Because Canada wants to be different from the States.
00:29:13.000So they have this really stereotypical, silly view of America as a bunch of evangelical rednecks who wear cowboy boots and are in the Klan and hate Negroes.
00:29:24.000That's how they see America, as Boss Hogg from Dukes of Hazzard.
00:29:31.000So they pour tons of money into being multicultural.
00:29:53.000So the only time you're going to get a visible minority is a French-speaking place like Haiti.
00:29:58.000So for most of my adult life, blacks were nerds because if you are rich enough to get out of Haiti, then you're an aristocrat who wears a scarf with a blazer, doesn't drink, doesn't swear, is very religious and super boring.
00:30:12.000If you hear about a black party, like a bunch of black people partying in Montreal, you don't go because it's going to be a coke and chipper.
00:30:33.000And they have, even when they rap, they have this affectation where they take on, like, the Parisian ghetto accent, which is not their accent at all.
00:31:01.000So they hire Soroush and they go, hey, shithead, go make a magazine and make it about, you know, the, the Caribbean day parade and the Polish parade and just talk about all the multicultural shit.
00:31:13.000I don't care if you make one copy or two copies.
00:31:39.000I wrote a book before, and the fact-checker had to go through it all.
00:31:45.000Even, like, I wrote Death of Kool, which, by the way, is the only place you will see the story of Vice, up until I left, totally accurately portrayed.
00:31:52.000I offered a thousand dollars for any lies in that book.
00:31:58.000I mean, don't people have to go through this?
00:32:01.000Especially when you're the executive editor, prize-winning journalist Jill Abramson takes it to the core of the fight for the survival and future of the news business.
00:32:11.000Surely, when you're writing about truth, and you have the word truth in the title, it's one of three words in the title, surely you can afford it.
00:34:54.000I suspect it was more of this politically correct bullshit where unless all your top brass are female, black lesbians in wheelchairs, then you're, you know, rape the rape capital of the world.
00:35:22.000Hi, I'm like Emily Steele, and I'm calling from the New York Times, and I want to, like, redo a story.
00:35:29.000It sounded like the Frank Zappa song, Valley Girl.
00:35:32.000And I thought, this is their prize-winning journalist?
00:35:36.000Is getting women into journalism really worth it?
00:35:39.000Because so far, we've got Emily Steele, the Valley Girl babysitter, and Jill Abramson, who thinks you apply for grants to Haiti, running the show.
00:36:36.000There, there's your story and then they go backwards and they move dates around and they find some, you know, lawsuit and then it looks like it's always been a thing.
00:37:11.000Um, and if things got crazy after I left, then they got crazy after I left, but with the number of false allegations, uh, like Mattress Girl running around at the time, I'm, I'm dubious.
00:37:21.000If anything, Vice bent over backwards after I left to be politically correct, didn't they?
00:37:25.000I mean, it was all about trans this and gaycation and, and fucking...
00:37:57.000Since McInnes would later become the far-right founder of an anti-feminist fraternal order, the role-playing was quite a stretch.
00:38:03.000Oh yeah, we're talking about how I would become a woman, because we needed more female writers, and I couldn't find them, so I just became female writers.
00:38:11.000And that somehow is linked to Proud Boys, which came apart, came, what's the word I'm looking for?
00:38:43.00020 years, 25 years doesn't make a difference.
00:38:47.000Um, number seven, he told one potential advertiser that their publication was distributed across North America and then mailed a few hundred copies to a skate shop in Miami and another batch to a clothing store in San Francisco.
00:38:59.000That is not even remotely close to true.
00:39:05.000The head of Cargo Records, Japanito Nachaputo, some Japanese name, Kevin Komodo, actually, just popped into my head, said that he put our newspaper in boxes when he shipped across Canada.
00:39:19.000We became a national magazine overnight and told all the advertisers, we're no longer looking for just Universal Records Quebec, we want Universal Records Canada.
00:39:28.000We're now a national magazine, so we don't longer deal with the regional offices, we want to deal with the national office.
00:39:34.000Nothing to do with San Francisco or Miami, we weren't in America at the time.
00:39:51.000And so Shane stayed up all night calling all these stores, Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, all across the country and said, we'll give you a free ad if you distribute our magazine.
00:40:03.000And we delivered the magazines we said we were going to deliver to every single major city in Canada, just like we had promised the advertisers.
00:40:11.000And I always tell that story as a great example of when you're an entrepreneur, no is not an option.
00:40:18.000So the difference between an employee and an entrepreneur, and by the way, I don't fault employees.
00:40:22.000I think entrepreneur is just a genetic trait.
00:41:18.00060 Minutes did a thing on Groupon, the guy behind Groupon, and that guy created a huge successful company that employed thousands of people, hundreds of people, I don't know how many people.
00:41:28.000I'm being very careful to be accurate in this podcast because we're talking about accuracy.
00:41:33.000And the 60 Minutes thing was all about how the guy's socially awkward and he might be autistic.
00:41:54.000And by the way, in this book, there's Shane, whose nickname was Bullshitter Shane when I, when we grew up in Ottawa, which she, she attributes to me.
00:42:19.000So Shane may have bullshitted her a few times, and she wrote them down, the stories down verbatim, although I think she doubted the gang one.
00:42:37.000So we were voice of Montreal, then we were voice when we became national, then we left the Haitians and became vice because we didn't want to get sued.
00:42:48.000And said the Village Voice was gonna sue us.
00:42:52.000And Canadian press loves David and Goliath stories involving America, so that just became coast-to-coast fact news.
00:43:00.000And that's when we started lying to reporters, because it just became a fun game.
00:43:04.000One reporter from La Presse, which is like Quebec's New York Times,
00:43:09.000I told her that Shane and I grew up as best friends and then one day we were wrestling and I was tickling him and we just stopped and stared at each other and we started making out.
00:43:19.000And we realized that we hadn't been best friends, we had been madly in love.
00:43:24.000And the picture for the article was us holding each other like belly to belly and staring into each other's eyes.
00:44:03.000If the guy hasn't done his research and he says something boring like, how'd you two guys meet?
00:44:08.000If they ask a question that you can find on Wikipedia, they would just start fucking with them and making up stories about Vietnam and shit.
00:44:14.000And I should have done this to Jill, I'm realizing in retrospect.
00:44:17.000I don't know, I haven't lied to journalists in so long that I forgot how fun it is.
00:44:23.000Um, actually most of the people that have been interviewing me have been, no, that's not true at all.
00:44:27.000Yeah, I don't know why I've, I stopped lying to journalists after Vice.
00:45:33.000We had a big party to celebrate moving to New York and I thought it would be funny to rent big huge costumes like Garfield with the big heads but not wear the big heads.
00:45:43.000So it's just a little human head and this big costume with the tail and you can't tell who the character is.
00:45:48.000And that was funny but we were new to cocaine because we were new to being able to afford it and we just sat there grinding our jaws staring at people.
00:45:55.000That is a true, one of the few true facts in Jill's book.
00:46:04.000As the founders of Voice told the story, Soinsky's cash injection, which made him the majority owner, financed the magazine's relocation to New York.
00:46:46.000Not only is she too lazy to tell the truth, but when she hears the truth, it just sort of falls out of one ear and drips down onto her Calvin Klein cardigan.
00:46:59.000Yeah, we had already been vice since 94.
00:47:59.000I've even heard communistic if you want to get really mad.
00:48:03.000Okay, if advertisers remained wary of the magazine, so she's talking about how we left Soinsky because he turned out to be a fraud and we were broke back to zero and every time people talk about vice, you know, oh we made our money from a government grant from these Haitians or we stole this and stole that, it's sort of like the history of America.
00:48:26.000Okay, slavery did build up a lot of revenue but after the Civil War,
00:48:45.000So she's talking about 2002 and she said and I was talking about how Shane and Saroosh had to bust their ass trying to get You know all this debt dealt with we owed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
00:48:58.000We owed $300,000 to international lawyers because Sawinski was trying to get the logo globally trademarked
00:49:07.000Which is a good thing, but it's very expensive.
00:49:09.000And then when he vanished, we're stuck with the bill.
00:49:19.000So I think some resentment may have built up during then because it was a fun, really fun time for me when we were broke and it was a horrible time for them.
00:49:27.000I was so glad to be away from that Shark Tank dude because it wasn't real.
00:49:58.000It was the farthest thing from a lad mag.
00:50:02.000Back in 2002 it was like the vice guy to friendship and how to dump a guy and fashion big huge fashion shoots do's and don'ts was not lad mag there was no hot chicks there was that sort of vice girl thing we did that wasn't in it anymore there was no like centerfold it was goofy hipster culture and that was gender free it was definitely as female as it was male
00:50:28.000But the big mistake here, number 11, is that she's talking about how BuzzFeed and Vice were neck and neck.
00:51:31.000It's just a good way to sell Spike Jones as the head of the, of the creative director of the thing.
00:51:37.000And then here's a really weird thing that I didn't include.
00:51:40.000She goes off about when Vice first started doing video and we were called VBS, Vice Broadcasting Service.
00:51:45.000I think that's because I was pushing Vice TV and, uh, I think there was the split was already in the cards and they didn't want to get into some copyright and they thought Gavin's running Vice TV.
00:53:26.000I would never got any paperwork from Fox News.
00:53:28.000I was always just a guest on the show.
00:53:29.000That's why I left after eight years because I kept seeing other people get contracts like Joanne Nosocinski for being gorgeous, Kat Timpf for being breathtaking, Tyrus for being ethnically ambiguous and never offering anything of consequence to say.
00:53:47.000I realized Fox News is more concerned with getting their female and minority numbers up than they are with contributors.
00:53:57.000So after hosting Red Eye umpteenth times and making the most popular Hannity appearances that went viral, I said, this is fucking bullshit.
00:54:07.000Doesn't Tyrus kind of look like if Sully from Monsters, Inc.
00:55:32.000You know those magnet things where you use iron filings to make a different face?
00:55:37.000So his beard is an iron filing magnet toy, and he looks like someone photoshopped a baby on a giant, annoying wrestler with tribal tattoos.
00:55:47.000All his tattoos look like he got them on the same day, too.
00:55:51.000Like, okay, I'm gonna be a tattooed guy.
00:55:53.000Dude, one more thing, he looks like, him and Dante Nero, if they sit next to each other, looks like a bebop and rocksteady from Ninja Turtles.
00:56:02.000So yeah, my contempt for Tyrus is totally petty and everything bad you think it is.
00:56:08.000But yeah, I did not line a contract, so that's number 12.
00:56:11.000And then she just says, she says that she met me after, this is like probably 2010 when we met, and she just says, his hurt and anger were palpable.
00:57:02.000One was the absence of women employees.
00:57:05.000Some were repelled by McInnes and Smith, who openly recruited women to work for the magazines with the intention of pursuing them at the office.
00:57:13.000That's just, that's the biggest lie in the book and that's when I wrote libel next to it because I'm considering taking legal action.
00:57:21.000We recruited women with the intention of pursuing them at the office?
00:57:25.000What kind of fucking insane allegation is that?
00:58:11.000I think she's the photo editor of the New York Times Magazine now.
00:58:13.000She's always more into art than writing, but she just had it.
00:58:17.000And I was not remotely attracted to her, never will be.
00:58:21.000But I went, finally, it seems so easy to me to write stupid funny articles, like 10 animals that suck, and then just writing about a dog and saying, look at his face.
00:58:35.000That's a funny thing to say, and that's an article I wrote, and I just couldn't get women to come up with stuff like that.
00:58:41.000Like, just really irreverent stupid humor.
00:58:43.000They'd always write in this faux, not just women, but a lot of young writers, they don't have enough personality, so they subsume Hunter S. Thompson's personality.
00:58:52.000And they go, woke up two hours late for the interview, totally hungover, stumbled into the hotel while I was meeting Ghostface Killer, the top rapper from the Wu-Tang Clan who has over seven top hits, blah blah blah blah blah.
00:59:04.000I pulled off my sunglasses and was almost blinded by the sunlight.
00:59:38.000So now appeal to someone who doesn't care.
00:59:41.000Talk about Staten Island, where he's from, and the crime there, and how Staten Island has changed, and what it was like going up there in the 80s, and what it's like now.
00:59:55.000But this idea, I think she's talking about back in the newsprint days when I'd have the vice girl, yes, that was a way to court women, but they weren't employees.
01:00:04.000That was exactly the same as the page three girl, where you'd have a hot chick.
01:00:07.000It's a thing we did for a while in the early 90s.
01:01:25.000And then the other one, I forget her name, Hispanic girl, she said that it was quid pro quo and she was forced to have sex with him just to keep her job.
01:01:34.000And Dove had all these texts of her saying, uh, I want to be your sex slave.
01:02:11.000And this is because I know Terry Richardson.
01:02:13.000If I didn't know Terry Richardson and wasn't friends with him and wasn't there for all of this fucking bullshit, I would have just glossed over that article and that is the point of this podcast.
01:02:22.000As you're glossing over allegations about people, those of us in the know are freaking the fuck out.
01:02:33.000Oh yeah, this one is ridiculous, and I didn't even list it.
01:02:36.000She says, And she's talking about Shane,
01:04:12.000Where he said he was John Lott and started contacting people as John Lott saying that he's full of shit and don't listen to any of my articles.
01:05:09.000Vice's cool was wrapped up in my antics.
01:05:13.000I think she put in stuff like that because she knows I'm a writer and people are always wary of shitting on writers because they're wary of being seen in the history books as a cunt, which I am.
01:05:25.000So they want to kiss ass a little bit.
01:06:14.000And now, when you use the word whom, you're seen as a cock.
01:06:19.000It was McInnes to whom Morton had originally written an application that read like a fan letter gushing over his adoration of Vice magazine.
01:06:26.000This is patently false, and you can read all about this in Thomas Morton's review of her book called News to Me, which is on Medium.
01:06:59.000Vice was never sexist when I was there, and B, I'm dubious of the sexual harassment shit they got into in 16 and 17.
01:07:07.000I have no idea because I wasn't there, but after seeing piles and piles of Mattress Girl bullshit,
01:07:14.000Like everyone, I'm Dubious, and by the way, false rape accusers, you really fucked over women.
01:07:21.000When I was, like seven years ago even, that recent, if I heard someone had been raped, it was like, oh shit, get in the car, let's put on the ski masks, get the baseball bats, we gotta go beat the shit out of this rapist.
01:08:47.000What I'm trying to do is not talk about myself and Vice, I'm just using that because I know both of those things intimately.
01:08:52.000What I'm trying to talk about is when you read a seemingly non-fiction book, or watch a documentary, or read an article, please know that the odds are very high you're dealing with a half-assed, bullshit, drunk story.
01:09:05.000This story, like calling Shane an editor and saying lad mag, it sounds exactly the way people talk in bars.
01:09:13.000When you go and Google it on your phone later and you go, that was fucking not even close to true.
01:09:23.000So they're talking about Thomas Morton baby balls.
01:09:25.000He flipped open an article called The Vice Guy Departing, accompanied by a boldly uncensored photographic spread that featured a topless transsexual manually stimulating a fully naked man while a young woman snorted a line of cocaine off his genitals.
01:10:41.000You can't sexually stimulate a penis while also doing cocaine off it, obviously.
01:10:46.000There's a lot of these, by the way, a lot of these mistakes, you can just read the book yourself and not even know, and it contradicts itself.
01:10:52.000Like that earlier one I said, where she says, McInnes laughed.
01:10:55.000His buddy had finally made it to the Times in 2007 after they'd already been there in 2003.
01:11:39.000And an organ, discarded from an old recording studio, placed randomly in the middle of the floor.
01:11:46.000I guess she means like an old organ, like a record player that you wind up with that big ear thing that amplifies the sound.
01:11:53.000I've never, I don't think I've ever seen one of those in real life.
01:11:56.000I've seen a lot of pictures of those things, but I'm not sure I've ever touched one, let alone had one in my office.
01:12:01.000And the way the office worked, there was no sort of area you could stick that in.
01:12:06.000There was sort of an eating place in the, I separated the office into, editorial was in one half, then there was a wall, and there was advertising and the record label on the other half.
01:12:16.000Now on that side there was a coffee table you could eat lunch, but there was no real middle of the floor.
01:12:22.000So that's just a lie, but I didn't even include that.
01:13:29.000Gawker was us maybe in 1996, but by the time it was the time she's writing about, like 2005 when Morton was there, Gawker was just some silly little blog we didn't pay attention to.
01:13:58.000They even designed an edition of Do's and Don'ts action figures including one of Baby Balls in a light blue striped golf shirt and snug fitting corduroys.
01:14:06.000This is, uh, they're talking about after I left and saying they loved Baby Balls so much they made dolls of him?
01:14:12.000I've got the dolls right here behind me and on my desk in my studio and I made those dolls when Thomas first started there and I chose the name Baby Balls as a shout out to him.
01:14:21.000It's got nothing to do with post-Gavin Weiss.
01:14:25.000So she just, this is an interesting example too that might sound boring at first glance, but the fact that, that does sound cool.
01:14:32.000Oh, they liked him so much, they even made action figures of him.
01:14:37.000I made the action figure years before.
01:14:40.000This is the kind of lazy writing where you just go, something sounds good, and you just make it a fact.
01:14:45.000Dude, I think it was fifth or sixth grade or something like that, and we had to interview our classmate, and then they had to write a biography about us.
01:14:55.000And I was so pissed that I was taken off the record.
01:17:39.000Um, so that's my concept and I thought this was an interesting thing.
01:17:44.000She talks about, uh, she talks about Thomas Morton's discoveries when he lived with Latinos.
01:17:49.000It was Dominicans in Washington Heights and there was a drunk son who sleeps in bed all day and they all watch too much TV and they're, they're very clean and they're very religious and there's a real unity.
01:17:59.000In the building where it's all like one big happy family and he was kind of jealous of that It was a really interesting article.
01:18:04.000I thought and I wish more people would do this, but they don't in fact I would say since I had Thomas do that we've become much less immersionist and People don't they write about the proud boys having never met them.
01:18:23.000They talk about a riot at a talk and they weren't at the talk like when I did that Otoyama Gucci talk I think only one journalist actually went to the talk the rest just regurgitated the talking points from the DNC So there could be a whole book there on immersionism and the lack of it.
01:18:39.000In fact, there is it's called coming apart by Charles Murray anyway
01:19:06.000Pizza boxes don't fit in the garbage, so you put them next to the garbage.
01:19:10.000If you do that, you are feeding roaches.
01:19:13.000The only way to prevent roaches and rats is to kill the food supply.
01:19:17.000That means if you live in the projects in Washington Heights, Dominican building,
01:19:21.000You probably have roaches and rats everywhere.
01:19:23.000If your apartment is impeccable, then you won't have any pests, they'll just go next door.
01:19:28.000So what they do is they soak their pizza boxes, not junk mail, rich lady, and then they roll them up into a tube and they throw the tube in the garbage that's locked, that's closed, so roaches can't feed on the pizza boxes.
01:19:43.000That's what Baby Balls learned by immersing himself in the culture.
01:19:49.000And she just ignored that because she's a rich Upper East Side chick.
01:20:54.000Advice goes way the fuck back to, I think, 2004?
01:21:00.000and so she's uh five years off again like it's a big deal being a few months off i think when you're writing a detailed account of someone's progression as a merchant of truth but to be five fucking years off like that's worse than high school i'm beginning to think jill abramson was fired from the new york times because pinch
01:22:41.000She, uh, Shane has a 26 million dollar mansion, apparently, allegedly.
01:22:46.000And so she put she waves me over because we'd I'd known Shane since we were all been friends since we were 13 She pulls me over she googles that announcement and then turns her computer to show me Wow pretty cool Fucking with me right until her last days anyway She's dead now so you can just say that you can move her company that she started with us and make it any way you want What's this
01:23:18.000Here's just a random line I didn't list because it's not necessarily disproval, but she talks about Morton and starting his world traveling for the vice guy to travel or whatever.
01:23:31.000And then she just writes, nearby in Brooklyn, where he still lived, Gavin McInnes, his bitter breakup with Alvian Smith, still a sore subject, was gagging.
01:24:41.000A great, great day drunk bar, kind of country themed.
01:24:43.000One time I was at that bar, by the way, and about four people, black people walked in and they looked around and they saw the decor, which the decor was a really cool idea.
01:26:22.000It's more expensive to rent an apartment in Williamsburg than it is in Soho.
01:26:27.000Maybe Tribeca's more money, but I know when we wanted to open a restaurant,
01:26:31.000The Cardinal, we couldn't afford the retail space, the restaurant space in Williamsburg, so we opened it on B and 4th, because it was cheaper to be in the East Village than it was to be in Williamsburg.
01:26:43.000Anyway, what a fucking long tangent that was.
01:26:46.000But yeah, we met in there, drinking Makers.
01:26:49.000You think I was sitting there seething, talking to some old rich Jewish Upper West Side fake Connecticut
01:27:33.000But I didn't include it because I have shot stuff there, so fine.
01:27:37.000Let's call it Rebels Manhattan Studio.
01:27:41.000She says of me, with his man in the White House and his personal brand back in demand, he was a lot jollier.
01:27:46.000As before, he was nattily dressed in a suit, cutting a very different figure from the drunken shirtless brawler I'd seen in countless videos, such as his recent tirade, 10 Reasons I Hate the Jews.
01:28:12.000You've clearly seen it if you saw that I was wearing, it wasn't a t-shirt, it was a string vest, and I had a cigarette in my mouth, and it was obviously satirical.
01:28:23.000I shouldn't have done it because it's followed me ever since, but it was clearly a joke.
01:28:29.000It was actually an homage to a Robert Crumb comic strip called When the Goddamn Jews Take Over America.
01:28:37.000And he basically mocked anti-Semitic tropes.
01:28:41.000And he drew what anti-Semites say and made it look like there's all these goyim sex slaves and the evil Jew is stealing all the money.
01:28:49.000And it was a mockery of anti-Semitism.
01:28:52.000And I was clearly doing that because I was working for Ezra Levant.
01:28:57.000Like, you honestly believe that Ezra has a news team and they bring along one token anti-Semite to shit on Israel the whole time he's there and deny the Holocaust?
01:31:20.000And has a theory like there's always been an undercurrent of misogyny and it came frothing to a head towards the end of 2016 and then So you come up with that and then you go backwards and start filling in the dots start just cramming things in moving entire decades around
01:32:00.000And the fact that she's not totally ridiculed... Actually, you know what?
01:32:03.000I just forgot about one we should end with.
01:32:07.000She was doing a press conference about the book and instead of showing attrition She, contrition I guess I should have said and instead of apologizing she has doubled down and The lies are actually increasing now.
01:32:26.000I mean, I guess I should sue her right?
01:34:49.000But if that happened, it was clearly for a photo shoot for some kind of joke where we were calling ourselves babies.
01:34:55.000The implication here is that it was somehow sexual and that we were like writhing around on the floor.
01:35:03.000Yeah, like a cult, a weird sex cult, where we have like talcum powder on our balls and we're like, come on in Julia, we're just talking our balls, we made doo-doo in our diapers, will you change our diapers?
01:35:16.000Like what the fuck are you talking about?
01:35:18.000It's just blatant sensationalism and lies.
01:35:22.000And I think these boomers, they feel so disenfranchised that instead of having a rational mind, they're like, yeah, I would imagine.
01:35:29.000I mean, classic young racists, that's what they do.
01:35:37.000Okay, so she admits it was a photo shoot.
01:37:52.000Most recently was the founder of a white nationalist group called the Proud Boys, which, you know, he had a fistfight, Gavin, in New York and got arrested.
01:39:02.000In the rubric of truth is always stranger than fiction, Gavin McGinnis started a white nationalist group called the Proud Boys, and he was arrested with his shirt off.
01:39:21.000You know, swastika tattoos, and he was burning colored children on 84th Street with a tiki torch.