Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Get Off My Lawn Podcast #5

00:00:00.000 I was raped.

00:00:02.000 The year was, I think, 1992, and I was asleep next to a lady.

00:00:09.000 There was a bunch of us crashing in a house in Vancouver, and I was asleep next to a lady, and I guess I had acquired an erection in my sleep.

00:00:18.000 In your dreams, McInnes!

00:00:20.000 No, it was literally in my dreams.

00:00:22.000 And I woke up, and a lady was pleasuring me in a way I had not volunteered.

00:00:28.000 And I believe it went to fruition.

00:00:31.000 No, I think I ended up rolling on top of her and fornicating.

00:00:34.000 Anyway, sorry for all the porn.

00:00:36.000 But I bring that up because I thought, oh, we're going to talk about sexual harassment on today's podcast in this insane number of cases.

00:00:46.000 And I thought, I wonder if I've been raped, technically.

00:00:49.000 And so you go through your sort of mental Rolodex and go, oh, yeah, I think I was raped.

00:00:53.000 Yeah, I was raped.

00:00:56.000 Now, men are different than women.

00:00:58.000 So when this happened, I did not call the police.

00:01:01.000 I was not remotely traumatized by it.

00:01:04.000 I thought it was rude.

00:01:07.000 It was sort of like a wedgie or, you know, someone pouring a beer in your head.

00:01:12.000 I thought it was gross.

00:01:13.000 The lady was like a four.

00:01:15.000 Good friend, and she obviously had a crunch on the G-Dog, but not a person I wanted to pursue romantically.

00:01:24.000 But I don't even think we mentioned it the next day or ever again.

00:01:28.000 I didn't really mind.

00:01:30.000 It was sort of like that same trip, that same house.

00:01:33.000 I was running around the house nude, as a joke, and then someone locked me outside nude.

00:01:38.000 So there I am on the street, basically, naked.

00:01:41.000 That pissed me off a little bit.

00:01:43.000 That was a rude hijinx, a rude prank, and that's how I feel about the rape.

00:01:49.000 So, with all these cases, I think we tend to lump them all together as, you know, there's rape, there's people taking advantage of people sexually.

00:01:56.000 And that's horrible.

00:01:58.000 Uh, and I think that trivializes the real victims.

00:02:01.000 If I were to say I have been raped and cite that case, then the real cases now pale in comparison, because I'm talking about some rude behavior, some poor sportsmanship on my female friend's side, and lumping it in with someone who, you know, has someone jump out with a knife.

00:02:22.000 And I can prove it, too, that it's less serious, because I never thought of it again.

00:02:29.000 If you were to rape a woman, even masturbate in front of her like Harvey Weinstein did, the next time a guy is with her and that kind of an act comes up, bing!

00:02:37.000 That's going to trigger a memory, and she's going to remember Harvey Weinstein, and then that ruins the genuinely romantic moment that she was having with a dude.

00:02:46.000 So, men and women are different.

00:02:49.000 They see sex as different.

00:02:51.000 Women?

00:02:52.000 And I don't like enforcing sex, too.

00:02:54.000 Like, when someone tells me a secret about what someone likes in bed, I hate it.

00:02:57.000 Because it's none of my beeswax, and I don't judge them.

00:02:59.000 I don't judge you.

00:03:00.000 First of all, I don't think you should watch porn.

00:03:02.000 I think it's bad for you.

00:03:03.000 I think masturbating is bad for you.

00:03:04.000 If you're single, it keeps you on the couch.

00:03:06.000 If you're married, it makes your relationship seem less consequential.

00:03:09.000 You don't mind being in the doghouse.

00:03:10.000 But, if you are watching porn, I don't care what kind of porn you watch.

00:03:15.000 Obviously, outside of kiddie porn, but that's already illegal.

00:03:18.000 If you're into, you know, whatever weird fetish you're into, sexuality is a weird, open, crazy universe.

00:03:24.000 And it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be in hinged upon.

00:03:29.000 Is that the word I'm looking for?

00:03:30.000 Imbued?

00:03:31.000 No, that's not the word.

00:03:32.000 Impended?

00:03:34.000 Nope.

00:03:35.000 It should go unfettered is what I'm trying to say.

00:03:38.000 So the danger of these kind of witch hunts is you end up lumping in the innocent with the guilty.

00:03:44.000 So that's what I want to try to do on this podcast is to is to liberate the innocent and prosecute the guilty.

00:03:52.000 Now the woman who raped me deserves zero punishment.

00:03:57.000 I think she owes me a beer.

00:03:58.000 She owes me a Budweiser.

00:04:00.000 That's what the punishment should be.

00:04:02.000 And then you have Bill O'Reilly paying out $32 million.

00:04:07.000 Can someone explain that to me please?

00:04:10.000 I guess the mentality is he's rich, it's just his insurance company paying, or it's just Fox News, so they have to be hit with something that's physically painful to them.

00:04:22.000 Now, if the punishment is a punch, and you're an 80-pound hemophiliac, that's not the same as when you're Hulk Hogan.

00:04:30.000 So, with Hulk Hogan, they want to deliver 10 punches, and with the 80-pound hemophiliac, they want to deliver a flick.

00:04:37.000 So the rationale is, we had to make it 32 million in order for the punishment to be felt.

00:04:43.000 But I say, eh, that's not really how the law works.

00:04:47.000 The law is what you suffered, not how much suffering you can... God, my vocabulary sucks today.

00:04:55.000 Not how much suffering you can enforce.

00:05:00.000 Like if you're a carpenter and someone is negligent and runs over your hand with their bicycle and breaks two of your fingers and you were making $80,000 a year as a carpenter and you didn't work for six months, the person who screwed up owes you $40,000.

00:05:14.000 Crystal clear.

00:05:15.000 You lost salary.

00:05:16.000 Got it!

00:05:18.000 You get 32 million for what?

00:05:20.000 And it's hard to find all this because there's so much conjecture and people rarely talk about it.

00:05:25.000 But I think one of the things Bill O'Reilly did was he left a salacious phone message where he talked dirty to a woman on the phone.

00:05:33.000 That's gross.

00:05:35.000 And you should probably hang up if that happens, not sit and record it.

00:05:39.000 That's the thing.

00:05:40.000 I mean, how much damage are you suffering in a lot of these cases?

00:05:45.000 Now, sexual harassment, it comes from the 1970s, it got big in the 90s, and it basically is divided into two categories.

00:05:53.000 Quid pro quo, where I will... I'll give you a raise if you tickle my balls.

00:06:00.000 Or, the other 50% of it, the other half, is sexual harassment.

00:06:04.000 And that's totally ambiguous.

00:06:06.000 And that is, you allowed for a sexual environment in the workforce.

00:06:09.000 And that gets taken by these liberal lunatics who will go and just imply anything

00:06:16.000 Is sexual harassment like they'll say They'll say I heard of a case once where this guy was in trouble because he had a picture of a woman in a bikini on his desk I Can see that so he did he have porn on his desk that could be weird You know you walk into a guy's office, and there's just naked spread beavers all over his walls like hustler I could see that being a problem but in this case it was a picture of his wife and

00:06:42.000 Now, it's now a sexually charged environment if there's someone with their wife on their desk?

00:06:51.000 That's insane.

00:06:53.000 And, if you lived in Times Square, if you work in Times Square, there's tons of Victoria's Secret billboards around there.

00:07:00.000 So that could be visible out of your office window.

00:07:03.000 So this guy would have to turn the picture of his wife in her bikini face down, while out the window next to his head, there's Victoria's Secret catalogs.

00:07:13.000 So it gets into this nebulous area of where you draw the line, and I'm going to answer that at the end.

00:07:19.000 This isn't just going to be a giant interrogative.

00:07:20.000 That's our job as storytellers, as book writers, as journalists, as entertainers, is you need an ending.

00:07:27.000 I remember I edited Leslie Arfin's book, Dear Diary, and at the end she just went, so what's the moral of the story?

00:07:33.000 I don't know, I'm just a kid.

00:07:35.000 And I go, Leslie, someone just read your entire book.

00:07:39.000 You can't just shrug your shoulders at the end and go, thanks for coming, bye!

00:07:44.000 You need an answer to the question.

00:07:47.000 And I will provide that.

00:07:49.000 But, uh, a lot of these cases too, we don't know the details.

00:07:54.000 Like with, uh, with Bill O'Reilly, what did he do?

00:07:57.000 Was it just, this guy's an alpha by the way, and you're with the big dogs.

00:08:01.000 So sometimes in those environments you hear language you don't like.

00:08:07.000 Now again,

00:08:09.000 The risk of discussing this at all is you come across as justifying rape.

00:08:14.000 So I'm going to start with all the guilty parties.

00:08:16.000 But before we get to that, the Bill O'Reilly thing.

00:08:19.000 You know, I've worked with, this guy's at the top of his game.

00:08:21.000 He's like Howard Stern levels.

00:08:24.000 And you, when you're around those kind of people, there's a sort of a big alpha contingent.

00:08:30.000 For example, Casey Affleck is in big trouble because his female producer, who I checked her IMDB.

00:08:38.000 She had nothing going on before she did Manchester by the Sea.

00:08:41.000 And maybe she was a director.

00:08:43.000 I think she was a producer.

00:08:44.000 And he was at a hotel.

00:08:47.000 And he said, get out of your room.

00:08:49.000 What?

00:08:50.000 Yeah, I want to use it for sex.

00:08:51.000 I want to take a girl in here.

00:08:53.000 So go downstairs.

00:08:55.000 Now she gasped, and I think him and Joaquin Phoenix had some groupies that they had their way with in her hotel room.

00:09:03.000 Now, I've been in those situations with alpha bosses, where they've said stuff like that.

00:09:09.000 And I go, God damn it.

00:09:11.000 And I go downstairs to the hotel bar, and I have a drink, and I say, don't make a mess, by the way.

00:09:17.000 Obviously, there can be no fluids on my pillowcase.

00:09:20.000 In fact, you know what?

00:09:21.000 Just change the sheets.

00:09:22.000 Or don't use the bed.

00:09:23.000 Go on the couch.

00:09:25.000 The last thing I would do

00:09:26.000 Would be horrified.

00:09:27.000 And, by the way, I'd also go, ooh, this is a good little feather in my cap.

00:09:32.000 Now the boss owes me one.

00:09:34.000 I'm paying my dues here.

00:09:36.000 I wouldn't be remotely offended, obviously.

00:09:39.000 I wouldn't see it as sexism or even sexual.

00:09:44.000 But this woman sees it as sexual.

00:09:46.000 And what she's saying, by the way, to other people is don't hire women.

00:09:50.000 Because they're invited to the boys club.

00:09:52.000 They get in there and then they go, I don't like it here.

00:09:55.000 I'm not being treated like a lady.

00:09:57.000 I'm not being treated like a woman in high-heeled shoes and a poodle skirt.

00:10:01.000 I'm being told to fuck off so someone can come in here and bang a chick.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, that's alpha dudes.

00:10:08.000 You know, I'm obviously married.

00:10:10.000 I don't go screwing women.

00:10:11.000 But I'm saying, if you're a single man, then you take advantage of the fact that you have groupies.

00:10:17.000 You'd be dumb not to.

00:10:19.000 That's what Trump was saying in the bus.

00:10:21.000 He was saying, and these groupies are crazy, they quote-unquote, let you do it.

00:10:27.000 I've hung around with celebrities.

00:10:29.000 David Cross, when he was single, unattractive guy.

00:10:32.000 Probably a, as he put it, as he said himself, he sort of circled his finger around his face and he goes, they're certainly not coming for this.

00:10:39.000 When I asked him if his fame was what was getting him chicks.

00:10:43.000 Johnny Knoxville, I've seen women line up.

00:10:45.000 Now, I've had this my whole life, I'm afraid.

00:10:46.000 When I was 18, I was in a band.

00:10:48.000 So I'm used to groupies.

00:10:49.000 I'm used to the concept.

00:11:08.000 And I think I have a healthy sexual appetite that's normal.

00:11:12.000 And so I'm not turned on by the idea of being with someone who's not very into it.

00:11:18.000 I don't even, I didn't even like condoms back in the day because it meant, oh what, I'm too gross for you?

00:11:23.000 And the idea of Harvey Weinstein knowingly disgusting women while he does these acts, I can't really fit that into my brain.

00:11:30.000 I don't see how that could possibly be a turn on to be revolting.

00:11:34.000 I can understand being intimidating,

00:11:36.000 In bed.

00:11:36.000 And I've been with women that enjoy that.

00:11:39.000 But to be disgusting?

00:11:41.000 To make women want to gag?

00:11:46.000 Where is the appeal there?

00:11:48.000 And I think, you know, there's rough sex, especially here in New York.

00:11:55.000 And I think men who do that, and I was one of them back in my single days, we sort of go into it because it's a fantasy that women have to be dominated.

00:12:04.000 We don't naturally feel that way.

00:12:06.000 We just want to get laid.

00:12:07.000 And I've said this a million times, if women were turned on by clowns, I'd have a red nose on in bed.

00:12:12.000 Whatever you want, lady.

00:12:14.000 And if you want rough stuff, then I'm in.

00:12:17.000 But, uh, dominating a woman to the point where she's very unhappy, that's abnormal.

00:12:24.000 That's unnatural.

00:12:25.000 And Jim Goad talks about this.

00:12:26.000 He said, I've been to prison for two and a half years.

00:12:29.000 I've met thousands of men.

00:12:31.000 Uh, I've never met one man who was turned on by the idea of raping someone.

00:12:36.000 But, he said, I've met some, I can't remember the exact number, but he said the majority of women I meet have had a rape fantasy.

00:12:43.000 Now, what Margaret Atwood says about that is she goes, man, it's not really a rape fantasy.

00:12:47.000 You're fantasizing about Mr. Clean doing it on your terms.

00:12:50.000 It's not like a guy in a ski mask.

00:12:53.000 And I think she's right in many ways.

00:12:55.000 And that goes back to the trivializing the rape.

00:12:57.000 Like I knew a girl in Williamsburg.

00:12:59.000 She's coming home after a fun night partying and there's a guy, a Puerto Rican guy, waiting in her lobby.

00:13:06.000 This is on South 5th and Bedford in Williamsburg.

00:13:09.000 So it's one of those areas that's not quite gentrified.

00:13:11.000 In fact, I think the Dominicans have taken it over from the Puerto Ricans.

00:13:16.000 Puerto Ricans came to Williamsburg and they were already Americans so they didn't really have to struggle.

00:13:21.000 They just went on welfare because there was no stigma there and dealt coke.

00:13:24.000 The Dominicans, who aren't legal Americans, come here and go, wait a minute, you're not dealing cocaine with enthusiasm and there's millions of dollars in it?

00:13:34.000 So they get up there with their gang, DDP, Dominicans Don't Play, and their machetes and they start hacking Puerto Ricans to bits and they take over the Puerto Rican cocaine trade.

00:13:46.000 Which was run by the Kings at the time, the Latin Kings.

00:13:49.000 So anyway, South Fifth is one of those Dominican streets that can't really get gentrified because the Dominican gangs run it.

00:13:56.000 And we went to some fun speakeasies there, all-night parties where Dominicans just opened a disco in their apartment, in the basement.

00:14:04.000 Cocaine everywhere.

00:14:05.000 God, it was fun.

00:14:06.000 There was a bar in Williamsburg called Cokey's, where you would go to the back room to the DJ and buy Coke from him.

00:14:16.000 No, the first time, and it was half hipsters, half Puerto Ricans dancing salsa.

00:14:20.000 And you'd go to the DJ, and you'd say, 20.

00:14:23.000 No, you wouldn't say anything.

00:14:24.000 You'd say, I'd like you to play a song.

00:14:26.000 You'd give him 20 bucks, and he'd give you a little bag.

00:14:28.000 Then you go to a lineup, and then people would go into this little tiny closet and snort it.

00:14:32.000 And when I first went in there, I didn't know how it worked.

00:14:35.000 So I waited in the lineup where people already have cocaine.

00:14:39.000 And everyone's doing their bumps, doing their bumps.

00:14:42.000 And then I get in there to the little closet,

00:14:45.000 And, uh, I don't have any coke on me.

00:14:47.000 This is the doing the coke room and it's maybe two feet by two feet.

00:14:51.000 So I get in there and I go, hello?

00:14:54.000 Then there's a hole in the wall, because it's a disgusting old hole in the wall.

00:14:58.000 So I put my lips into the hole and I go, hello?

00:15:01.000 Can I get a bag?

00:15:02.000 And then I'm waving 20 bucks around in various holes in the wall, thinking that a magic hand is going to hand me Coke.

00:15:09.000 Meanwhile, people in the lineup can hear this guy alone in that room going, hello?

00:15:14.000 20 bucks.

00:15:16.000 Hello?

00:15:18.000 I'm a loser.

00:15:20.000 Anyway, my friend Nadine, who's since died, said, I'm just going to ask someone.

00:15:25.000 And she goes, where do you get the Coke?

00:15:26.000 And they go, the DJ.

00:15:26.000 Boom, done.

00:15:29.000 But that was the climate in Williamsburg at the time.

00:15:31.000 It wasn't that gentrified.

00:15:32.000 It was still very dangerous in the early 2000s.

00:15:35.000 Anyway, so this friend of mine, she is coming home.

00:15:39.000 And this Puerto Rican jumps her in the lobby of her Brownstone, stabs her.

00:15:44.000 And then she gets so freaked out that she faints.

00:15:48.000 And she doesn't know if she was raped.

00:15:51.000 So she had to have a rape kit, and she wasn't allowed to drink all summer because she was on AIDS medicine, just in case you have AIDS medicine.

00:15:58.000 And she joked about it a little bit, but she didn't want to talk about it, and she certainly didn't carry a mattress around campus.

00:16:04.000 Now every time I think of real rape, I think of her.

00:16:07.000 And for me to say rape, or for someone who had their butt grabbed to say rape,

00:16:13.000 It trivializes her experience.

00:16:16.000 I mean, I'm sure she had to sort of relearn sex after that.

00:16:21.000 But anyway, let's look at the guilty cases first.

00:16:23.000 Harvey Weinstein, bad guy.

00:16:26.000 I think we're pretty clear on that.

00:16:28.000 And the left has been, the right, sorry, has been enjoying this, this...

00:16:34.000 This lynching on Weinstein.

00:16:36.000 And I have too.

00:16:37.000 I love it.

00:16:38.000 I love seeing that Hollywood... Remember when George Clooney got up on stage and he said, yeah, we're out of touch.

00:16:43.000 We're out of touch from the racists.

00:16:45.000 We're the first ones that had a black woman win an Oscar and Marlon Brando wouldn't come and get his Oscar until an Indian got it and blah, blah, blah.

00:16:52.000 We're out of touch from the ignorance and the losers and the rednecks.

00:16:55.000 And we're in touch with peace and justice and equality.

00:16:58.000 I mean, he really said all that crap.

00:17:00.000 And, uh,

00:17:01.000 It's fun to see the self-righteous realize that we don't care what you think.

00:17:05.000 We think that you're reprobates.

00:17:08.000 You're dressing up as Superman on my TV.

00:17:11.000 You're an entertainer.

00:17:12.000 You're a little minstrel dancing around for me for money.

00:17:16.000 You're like a monkey with a little, you know, the Italian guy with the... And you run around with a little cup.

00:17:24.000 We have no respect for you.

00:17:26.000 No one says, what does J-Lo say about this?

00:17:31.000 So it was nice to have their reality check.

00:17:33.000 And with this Corey Feldman thing, we're about to see a whole other world of disgusting perverts in Hollywood.

00:17:38.000 And I'm noticing a pattern when I go through all these cases.

00:17:43.000 A lot of them are ugly people and nerds, like Robert Crumb.

00:17:49.000 He lived in the era before they had this kind of stuff.

00:17:53.000 And so they were just called groupies back then.

00:17:56.000 And he was an ugly nerd who was totally ignored by women his whole life.

00:18:01.000 But when he finally got famous, all his sex was very predatorial and rough.

00:18:07.000 And sort of, he would jump on their backs and stick their hands in, stick his hands in their mouth and stuff.

00:18:14.000 It was about revenge.

00:18:16.000 And I can't help but look at Harvey and think, this is revenge.

00:18:20.000 You were always a pariah, I assume.

00:18:22.000 You look like a bag of potatoes.

00:18:24.000 And now that you have power, you can't resist taking advantage of it.

00:18:28.000 I'm sure there was the casting couch thing at the beginning that wasn't as rapey.

00:18:32.000 It was more like an understood transaction.

00:18:35.000 Like with the illegal aliens who cross the border, they say 80% get raped.

00:18:40.000 It's disgusting and horrible, don't get me wrong.

00:18:43.000 It's almost consensual in the sense that these women know that's part of the deal.

00:18:47.000 And they go, yeah, we're going to get raped when we cross the border.

00:18:50.000 So what we do is we take birth control pills and then as we cross the coyote rapes us and then we get there and it sucks.

00:18:57.000 But that's life to get to a new, to get to America.

00:19:01.000 Now that's rape.

00:19:03.000 But if you were to interview them, I bet a lot of them would just go, no, that was part of the deal and we work it out.

00:19:08.000 Sorry, lady, you were raped.

00:19:09.000 You didn't notice?

00:19:11.000 So maybe it started out with that with Weinstein, but then absolute power becomes absolutely corrupt and He started taking advantage of more and more and more women Until he was just in over said I think he's still to this day.

00:19:27.000 He did what a week of sexual rehab and

00:19:32.000 He's done now.

00:19:33.000 So he still hasn't accepted that he's a disgusting human being.

00:19:36.000 What a vile scumbag.

00:19:38.000 And it is, it is joyous watching him suffer, but we have to still be very skeptical of all these other cases and make sure we don't have kangaroo courts.

00:19:50.000 It's not a mob mentality in America.

00:19:52.000 And I've seen the innocent get pilloried for these same allegations.

00:19:56.000 Bill Cosby, actual bad guy.

00:19:59.000 That is not a witch hunt.

00:20:01.000 You got the right guy.

00:20:02.000 He roofied chicks.

00:20:04.000 We don't need to go over that.

00:20:06.000 I actually have very little enthusiasm for the whole Bill Cosby case.

00:20:09.000 I remember there was a New York Magazine where they had 50 women on the cover.

00:20:13.000 And I just thought, I don't wanna, I don't have time to sit and read this.

00:20:16.000 What is it, 5,000 words?

00:20:18.000 I'm not reading a New York Magazine cover story.

00:20:20.000 Sure, he's a bad guy.

00:20:22.000 Yeah, but Kevin, you're sitting here saying everyone needs due diligence.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, but is Bill Cosby in my life?

00:20:30.000 I mean, is he making stuff?

00:20:32.000 Is he influencing people?

00:20:35.000 I'll get to it.

00:20:36.000 James Toback is another one.

00:20:38.000 He's got like 30 cases against him.

00:20:41.000 Now, sometimes the number of cases become a justification in and of itself, but sometimes they're not.

00:20:49.000 Like with Terry Richardson and Dove Charney, whom I'll get to in a second.

00:20:53.000 They end up sort of snowballing, where the next case is just piggyback the previous case.

00:21:00.000 But, when you get to dozens, that's pretty bad.

00:21:04.000 Roger Ailes, another guilty party.

00:21:08.000 Now his son said, I'm gonna get you.

00:21:11.000 I'm gonna get revenge on all you people.

00:21:12.000 And I think it's possible he died of a heart attack from the stress of all this.

00:21:16.000 I think that might be why Breitbart died.

00:21:19.000 Remember Andrew Breitbart was being sued by that woman, forget her name, look it up Dave.

00:21:23.000 There was that woman who sued him for taking a quote out of context.

00:21:28.000 Now her quote was that she gives grants to farmers and she said she's more, she's less likely to give a grant to a white farmer than a black farmer.

00:21:41.000 Shirley Sherrod, that's it.

00:21:44.000 She's more likely to give a grant to a black farmer, and then later on in the same speech, she goes, but that's my own bias, and I have to overcome that.

00:21:53.000 And Breitbart's point was, yes, I'd neglected to include that second part, but imagine a white person said, I'm prejudiced towards black people, and then later said, but that's something I need to get over.

00:22:03.000 He would be ruined.

00:22:06.000 So she sued him, and I think that stressed him out and led to his heart attack.

00:22:13.000 And it could have been the same thing with Ailes.

00:22:15.000 I do believe, by the way, Sherrod kept suing the Breitbart family after he died.

00:22:19.000 Because I raised $17,000 for him with those So T-shirts.

00:22:23.000 I made these T-shirts that said So on them, because it was one of my favorite quotes of his.

00:22:26.000 Every time someone said something that seemed salacious and destructive, he would say, So?

00:22:32.000 And you'd realize, yeah, that actually isn't so bad.

00:22:35.000 But I was concerned that the money would go to Sherrod.

00:22:39.000 And it was a valid concern.

00:22:42.000 But with ales, you know, I talk to people there and I would say, this is a witch hunt, right?

00:22:49.000 And they go, yeah, no.

00:22:53.000 They go, he would sit woman on his lap, feel their torsos and say, their bare skin, like their hand on their bare skin.

00:23:00.000 And they would do vocal lessons.

00:23:02.000 I actually mentioned something similar to Lauren Savant.

00:23:05.000 And she goes, yeah, I did that vocal lessons.

00:23:08.000 She didn't know she was molested.

00:23:10.000 Now, she also did know that Harvey Weinstein molested her by cornering her in a restaurant and masturbating into a plant.

00:23:16.000 And just to play devil's advocate for a sec, Lauren, shouldn't she have called the cops?

00:23:21.000 Like, I have to admit, I'm getting a lot of this from women, because I think men are too scared to go near this subject.

00:23:28.000 But a lot of women are saying, eh, screw Rose McGowan.

00:23:31.000 She's jumping on the bandwagon now, just trying to get publicity for herself.

00:23:35.000 And I've also heard women say, why didn't Lauren Savant call the cops?

00:23:39.000 One woman said to me, if that was me and I was in a restaurant trapped like that, I would be running upstairs to the police immediately.

00:23:47.000 And Lauren's not in showbiz, she's in news.

00:23:50.000 So what was Weinstein going to kick her out of?

00:23:53.000 Not that that's any justification.

00:23:55.000 You shouldn't accept sexual assault in exchange for a career opportunity.

00:24:01.000 That's prostitution, is it not?

00:24:05.000 If you get $40,000 after a man masturbates in front of you, you just had a... you're a sex worker.

00:24:12.000 You just had a sexual transaction.

00:24:16.000 Now, here's another group of guilty that's gonna blow minds.

00:24:21.000 Women in marketing.

00:24:22.000 I started a magazine in the 90s.

00:24:27.000 100% of the people we dealt with that we needed money from were women.

00:24:31.000 And they were marketing.

00:24:32.000 A record label wants to get its chick numbers up, so they have to give jobs to women.

00:24:38.000 Women aren't great at a lot of stuff, especially a dog-eat-dog world like the music industry.

00:24:42.000 So the labels would say, here, you work in marketing, which just means here's a budget, here's $300,000, go buy a bunch of $5,000 magazine ads with it.

00:24:52.000 So they're just shopping, really.

00:24:54.000 Go shop at magazines.

00:24:56.000 And power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

00:24:58.000 And these women would harass my sales guys, they'd harass other graphic design sales guys.

00:25:05.000 I've said earlier that I think the term cougar came from one of my friends back then in the early 90s.

00:25:10.000 And I'll never forget this one story.

00:25:12.000 This cougar

00:25:14.000 We're good to go.

00:25:35.000 I have a real thing with the beckoning gesture.

00:25:37.000 Do you know what I'm talking about, by the way?

00:25:38.000 This is an audio podcast, but like when you close your fist quickly, you hear that?

00:25:44.000 Like, come here, come here, hey, come here.

00:25:46.000 You beckon someone.

00:25:47.000 I just blew a gasket.

00:25:49.000 It happened yesterday.

00:25:51.000 I was driving my son to practice, and this guy was crossing, not at a crosswalk, and he sort of beckons me like, go, go, go, go, because I had slowed down to let him cross, and I just snapped.

00:26:01.000 I just go, oh, just cross the fucking road!

00:26:06.000 It makes me snap.

00:26:07.000 I shouldn't be telling you this because it's like, it's like James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause when they call him chicken and he just goes ballistic.

00:26:13.000 It's like my secret word.

00:26:16.000 Anyway, she beckoned him like that.

00:26:18.000 I think that guy actually ended up being a molester.

00:26:20.000 Maybe a lot of these molesters, it's sort of like when kids are molested and then they end up molesting kids.

00:26:27.000 It becomes a... Not that I could see Harvey Weinstein getting molested by a woman.

00:26:31.000 But anyway, my point here is that there's lots of powerful women taking advantage of young men in business.

00:26:38.000 At least there was in the early to mid-90s when I was dealing with these women.

00:26:45.000 And again, like when I was raped,

00:26:48.000 Wasn't that bad?

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:50.000 I'll sleep with some old bag.

00:26:52.000 You know, we were in our early 20s.

00:26:53.000 We were... I don't think I ever did it, but I might have.

00:26:56.000 But they were sleeping with, like, 40-year-olds, which, when you're 22, that's like sleeping with Nancy Reagan.

00:27:02.000 Like, that's the oldest person in the world.

00:27:04.000 42-year-old.

00:27:07.000 When you're 24, sleeping with a 27-year-old is insane.

00:27:11.000 Like, it's a grandma fetish.

00:27:13.000 So 42, I mean, that's nuts.

00:27:16.000 Now, of course, I would consider that pedophilia, sleeping with a 42-year-old.

00:27:23.000 So, those are the guilty parties.

00:27:27.000 Now, let's jump to the innocent parties, because they're very relevant in all of this.

00:27:36.000 First of all, there's a dangerous culture going on with this constant sexual assault, and it makes the workplace less fun.

00:27:44.000 You know, I saw some meme, someone said, someone who is inappropriate at work deserves to be unemployed.

00:27:50.000 Someone who sexually molests or rapes someone deserves to be in jail.

00:27:55.000 We have parameters for this.

00:27:58.000 And who was that guy?

00:27:59.000 There was a guy, oh yeah, John Soloski.

00:28:01.000 He was at the University of Georgia in journalism.

00:28:04.000 And he was at some dinner in a bad part of town, maybe in Chicago, I think, South Side.

00:28:10.000 And he said to a woman there, are you, uh, are you here single?

00:28:14.000 Are you single?

00:28:14.000 Are you here with someone?

00:28:16.000 So she decided that was sexual harassment.

00:28:19.000 And technically I believe it is.

00:28:21.000 I've been through sensitivity training, believe it or not, for saying the word fag at work.

00:28:26.000 And back when we were owned, my whole company was owned by a big corporation.

00:28:29.000 And, uh,

00:28:31.000 Uh, they said, anything personal about a person not related to work is harassment.

00:28:35.000 So, are you gay is harassment.

00:28:37.000 Are you a cancer or a Sagittarius is harassment.

00:28:40.000 It can only be work-related, like, why are you late all the time?

00:28:43.000 That's work-related, you can ask that.

00:28:46.000 So, he was harassing her by asking about her marital status.

00:28:50.000 And so she, she, I don't know what you do.

00:28:52.000 You fine them, you prosecute them.

00:28:54.000 He was fired for this.

00:28:56.000 He was fired as a, a journalism dean in, in University of Georgia in 2005.

00:29:02.000 And he goes, but I wasn't sexually attracted to her at all.

00:29:05.000 I was worried about her getting mugged, being attacked.

00:29:08.000 I was there with my wife.

00:29:09.000 I'm not into her.

00:29:11.000 That'd be funny if she was hideous.

00:29:12.000 I never saw the person.

00:29:14.000 Wouldn't that be awesome if she was a three?

00:29:17.000 And he eventually, by the way, had the charge reneged, but it took years and tons of legal crap.

00:29:24.000 And her argument and her prosecutor's argument, her lawyer's argument was it shouldn't matter what his intentions were.

00:29:31.000 It's that she experienced sexual harassment that matters.

00:29:35.000 Now there is a dangerous legal territory if I've ever heard one.

00:29:38.000 Now how people feel in the age of triggering, and this is 10 years before the age of triggering, but in the age of triggering, now just how you interpret things counts as guilty?

00:29:49.000 Well, I'm sure I'm seen as... I just saw, we just showed the other day on Get Off My Lawn, the show, we showed a college student who said, your very existence is offensive.

00:30:01.000 Was that the exact quote?

00:30:02.000 It was a really bizarre quote.

00:30:04.000 Your very existence is a hate crime, she was saying to someone who was at a college Republicans meeting who wasn't even a Republican, they were Democrat.

00:30:11.000 So don't start saying how things are interpreted count as truth, because these interpreters have lost their minds.

00:30:19.000 But I read an article about this where the author was saying, you know what, let's just abolish the whole concept of sexual harassment at work.

00:30:28.000 If you're a guy, a boss, who grabs woman's asses, they're going to quit.

00:30:35.000 There's not more than one job in the world, and that guy's not going to last very long.

00:30:39.000 You know, I saw that movie 9 to 5 with Dolly Parton and Lily Tomlin recently about this disgusting sexist boss, and I watched it and went, eh, he's not that bad.

00:30:50.000 I mean, he's having an affair.

00:30:51.000 That's gross.

00:30:52.000 But it doesn't really affect you and your workplace.

00:30:54.000 And at one point he has one of the secretaries go shopping for his mistress to buy the mistress a scarf.

00:31:00.000 Okay.

00:31:00.000 I mean, you get to go shopping.

00:31:01.000 You get some time off.

00:31:03.000 Here in the workforce, here as a man, I've had to take out garbage full of maggots.

00:31:08.000 I've started a lot of companies from scratch.

00:31:10.000 It really sucks starting companies from scratch.

00:31:12.000 There's no air conditioning in the office.

00:31:14.000 You have to deal with the trash.

00:31:15.000 You've got to do your own taxes.

00:31:17.000 You have to go out and get coffee for everyone because you don't have a coffee machine yet.

00:31:21.000 There's no running water.

00:31:22.000 It sucks.

00:31:24.000 Ladies, the workplace can be uncomfortable.

00:31:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:31:30.000 So, why don't we just stop this stupidity because it doesn't work.

00:31:37.000 Harvey Weinstein masturbates in front of you.

00:31:39.000 Charge him.

00:31:40.000 Don't sue him.

00:31:41.000 Don't start a rumor.

00:31:44.000 Don't run to the press.

00:31:46.000 I mean, you could do that too.

00:31:47.000 But go to the cops.

00:31:49.000 Remember Mattress Girl?

00:31:51.000 They were having vaginal intercourse.

00:31:53.000 I should have an NSFW for this particular podcast.

00:31:55.000 They're having vaginal intercourse.

00:31:57.000 He puts it in the other thing that's down there.

00:32:00.000 And she says stop, apparently.

00:32:02.000 And he doesn't.

00:32:05.000 And so he's a rapist.

00:32:06.000 And the school refuses to prosecute him.

00:32:12.000 And she walks around with a mattress for the rest of her time on campus.

00:32:17.000 What was his name again?

00:32:18.000 John Nagusan or something like that?

00:32:23.000 Paul Nungesser.

00:32:25.000 He sued Columbia.

00:32:26.000 I believe he won.

00:32:28.000 But that act of getting it in the wrong spot back there,

00:32:32.000 Was a comedy episode of the Mindy Kaling Show.

00:32:35.000 So when Mindy Kaling jokes about it, it's funny and it's a faux pas.

00:32:39.000 Sort of like what I went through with Tracy.

00:32:41.000 Oops, I just gave her name away.

00:32:46.000 It's a faux pas sometimes.

00:32:47.000 Other times it's an example of horrific rape.

00:32:51.000 But as far as the workplace goes, I think we should just abolish the entire thing.

00:32:54.000 Because preventing an area that's sexually charged is just too hard.

00:32:59.000 And if a boss is a disgusting pig, well if he does something illegal, then call the cops.

00:33:05.000 And if he does something that's untowards, don't worry, the free market will sort it out.

00:33:09.000 You had another secretary quit?

00:33:10.000 You're gross, sir.

00:33:12.000 You said, if you blow me you'll get a raise?

00:33:14.000 You're disgusting.

00:33:15.000 And the woman's going to say no.

00:33:18.000 That's wrong.

00:33:20.000 You know, we don't need the state to handle all our problems.

00:33:23.000 We can handle things.

00:33:25.000 These women have brothers.

00:33:26.000 Oh, by the way, that reminds me of another thing.

00:33:29.000 Let's not forget in all this that there are plenty of men who want to beat up rapists.

00:33:34.000 And there's plenty of women who tell them not to.

00:33:36.000 I've talked to cops, by the way, who will break up a domestic as some guy's beating the crap out of his wife.

00:33:40.000 And then as he arrests the guy, she starts attacking the cop because she didn't want him to intervene.

00:33:48.000 And I had a friend who was some guy basically said screw me or you're fired and I said I want to go kill him and she begged and pleaded with me not to as a female friend because she said it'll ruin my career and I don't want you to.

00:34:00.000 Now what do I do at that point?

00:34:02.000 Go ruin her career and beat him up?

00:34:05.000 No, I have to take her word for it and say, okay, I'll drop it.

00:34:09.000 But anytime you change your mind, please, I'd love to get involved.

00:34:13.000 And this happened with my buddy, Derek.

00:34:15.000 He was dating a girl named Frankie, I believe her name was.

00:34:17.000 She was with this other dude.

00:34:19.000 And, uh, he told me, Derek told me that this guy raped her.

00:34:23.000 And I go, alrighty.

00:34:25.000 Well, he's dead.

00:34:26.000 Now, this is ten years ago.

00:34:28.000 Back before the word had become so diluted.

00:34:31.000 And rape was still rape.

00:34:33.000 And so I said, let's kill him.

00:34:35.000 And, uh, we were at a party once and I went, holy shit, he's here!

00:34:40.000 So my friend didn't seem as enthusiastic as I did.

00:34:44.000 And that's typical, by the way, of my life.

00:34:46.000 I get more into these crusades than the actual people involved.

00:34:49.000 In fact, Saroosh, my old business partner, he was screwed over by this chick and I exed her.

00:34:55.000 I never spoke to her ever again for screwing over my buddy.

00:34:59.000 They made up and then they'd be having a party either at his house or at her house and I couldn't come because I had exed her.

00:35:07.000 So I was the pariah.

00:35:09.000 They had moved on.

00:35:10.000 So I was like living with the ghost of their conflict for eternity.

00:35:14.000 We're still not speaking.

00:35:17.000 Anyway, I go over to confront this rapist and I go, hey pal, what the swear word are you doing here?

00:35:24.000 And he goes, pardon me?

00:35:26.000 And I go, look, I know what you did.

00:35:28.000 I know you raped Frankie.

00:35:30.000 And he said, what are you talking about?

00:35:33.000 And then he started panicking and he did what I would do if I was accused of this and he pulled out his phone and he goes, let's call her right now.

00:35:43.000 I thought, hmm, you don't see a lot of rapists saying, let's call her right now.

00:35:50.000 This is looking pretty good for him and pretty bad for her.

00:35:54.000 And then when she found out she was super mad at us for bothering him.

00:35:58.000 And I realized, it sounds like you're lying.

00:36:00.000 And by the way, I don't want to trivialize rape allegations, but it's worth mentioning fake ones on behalf of real victims.

00:36:10.000 And I tweet, I got in trouble, actually from Leslie too, the girl I was talking about, I got in trouble a long time ago for saying every guy I know that's been involved in a domestic was the victim of some c-word trying to ruin his life.

00:36:25.000 And people, that made people really mad, especially feminists.

00:36:28.000 But it's true.

00:36:31.000 Every guy I know that's been prosecuted or persecuted for this has been innocent.

00:36:38.000 Anthony Cumia.

00:36:40.000 He was accused of beating the crap out of a girl because she said he was doing it on Periscope and the stepmom called the cops.

00:36:47.000 Now, I believe he bit her hand after she decked him in the face and smashed his phone.

00:36:53.000 But he did not beat her.

00:36:56.000 But he still had to go to court for a year, probably spent $100,000, lost his guns.

00:37:00.000 Had to go to rehab, had to go to anger management, all tens of thousands of dollars adding up to a hundred for something that he hadn't done wrong.

00:37:07.000 In fact, when the police showed up to get him, they had just come back from the Apple Store where they had each bought new phones.

00:37:13.000 Hi, what's going on here?

00:37:17.000 I've talked- here's another horrible thing to say.

00:37:19.000 I've talked to a cop about this and he said,

00:37:21.000 He said, what I do with rape allegations is I go up to the girl and I say, look, I want you to know that this is a big, big deal.

00:37:27.000 This is why we become cops.

00:37:29.000 We want to catch bad guys.

00:37:30.000 We don't want to deal with pot smokers.

00:37:31.000 We don't want to give you a fine if you're caught drinking.

00:37:33.000 That's boring to us.

00:37:35.000 Speeding tickets, parking tickets.

00:37:36.000 That's the bad side of the job.

00:37:38.000 The good side of the job is catching bad guys.

00:37:40.000 Someone robbed a bank.

00:37:41.000 We get the money back.

00:37:42.000 We put him in jail.

00:37:43.000 That feels good.

00:37:44.000 Someone raped a woman.

00:37:45.000 We grab him.

00:37:46.000 We throw him in jail.

00:37:47.000 She feels safe.

00:37:48.000 We feel great.

00:37:49.000 That's the deal.

00:37:50.000 However, if it's not true, that's a crime.

00:37:53.000 And that's ALSO a very big deal.

00:37:55.000 Because it makes the real cases seem like nothing, and as I just explained, we're really into the real cases.

00:38:03.000 And so, I explain that he'll be going to jail for a long time, blah blah blah, I'll have a criminal record.

00:38:08.000 And then a lot of them will say, uh, yeah, I was just kind of mad at him.

00:38:14.000 He didn't really do that.

00:38:16.000 And I said, what percentage of the time is this true?

00:38:19.000 Now, this is going to sound horribly sexist.

00:38:21.000 It's going to sound like I don't think rape exists.

00:38:22.000 I'm just telling you one conversation I had with a police officer.

00:38:26.000 He could have been lying.

00:38:27.000 This is not a fact.

00:38:28.000 This is just a story that happened to me, and I hang out with a lot of cops.

00:38:33.000 And he said 95%.

00:38:36.000 95% of the cases he came across were deemed fake by the actual person.

00:38:40.000 And he's not saying he's smashing, you know, a truncheon on the table and waving a gun in her face.

00:38:46.000 This is just a rational conversation about the facts of rape.

00:38:51.000 Anyway.

00:38:52.000 So, Kumia, innocent.

00:38:54.000 Kale Hartman, comedian.

00:38:58.000 Now, this is his version of events, but I haven't heard it contradicted by her.

00:39:03.000 And he's begged her to take him to court.

00:39:06.000 A lot of these guys want to go to court so they can have actual allegations, but what these women do is they just send out the rumor with a carrier pigeon, and that rumor becomes fact, and now these guys' lives are ruined.

00:39:17.000 So, she sends a picture of herself with her legs all bruised up,

00:39:21.000 And she says, I was just getting out of an abusive relationship.

00:39:25.000 Now that becomes Kale Hartman, because that was her ex-boyfriend.

00:39:27.000 He then becomes a rapist, and his life is over.

00:39:32.000 He loses his job.

00:39:33.000 He loses his entire career.

00:39:35.000 His friends kick him out.

00:39:36.000 Even his friends that know he's innocent, they say, sorry man, it's really bad for me to be seen with you.

00:39:40.000 You gotta go.

00:39:42.000 So he moves, and he ends up installing furniture in Ohio.

00:39:44.000 This guy had a badass comedy career.

00:39:47.000 He wrote for Bad Grandpa.

00:39:49.000 He wrote for Jackass.

00:39:52.000 He was set.

00:39:53.000 And now, to this day, he'll go to a comedy club in Philadelphia, and the owner will come over and say, uh, yeah, we know who you are.

00:40:01.000 You have to leave.

00:40:02.000 Exactly like he was a pedophile.

00:40:04.000 He lives the life of Anthony Weiner, having done nothing wrong.

00:40:06.000 Well, how'd you get the bruises on her legs, Gavin?

00:40:09.000 I've heard a recording of this, and in the recording, if he would just release this to everyone, everyone would see that he's innocent.

00:40:15.000 And I honestly believe this woman, she sees an abusive relationship as, for example, her saying, uh, uh, my dad, uh, I'm intimidated by my dad, I don't feel like I lived up to his expectations.

00:40:27.000 And then later on in the fight, the boyfriend says,

00:40:31.000 You're just mad because you don't live up to your dad's expectations.

00:40:33.000 Now, that's a petty move where you've used something someone told you in confidence and then brought it into a fight.

00:40:39.000 It's not abusive.

00:40:41.000 It's dirty pool.

00:40:42.000 And I think young women today would count that as being in an abusive relationship.

00:40:47.000 But us 47-year-olds, we read that and we go, oh, he beat the crap out of you for not having a sandwich ready on time, for not getting you a beer.

00:40:56.000 So it's a generation gap, too, with a lot of this stuff.

00:40:58.000 When I hear rape, I think of Ski Mask, Bush's, Knife.

00:41:02.000 I don't think of a rough night of tomfoolery where something went into the different spot.

00:41:09.000 So they were wrestling one night, is the story, and they got in sort of a physical altercation.

00:41:15.000 They were both drunk, and I've fought drunk women before, and they think they can beat you up.

00:41:18.000 So you spend half the time sort of holding their wrists going, calm down, calm down.

00:41:22.000 So he was holding her legs down as she was kicking him, and she got bruises all over her legs.

00:41:28.000 Women bruise very easily, I'm afraid.

00:41:31.000 And so it looks brutal.

00:41:32.000 It looks like someone was sitting there pounding her legs, which

00:41:34.000 Have you ever heard of a domestic abuse where some guy comes home, his dinner isn't ready, and he gets down on his knees and starts punching her legs?

00:41:40.000 Like she's naming five breakfast cereals?

00:41:44.000 So Kale, unfairly accused.

00:41:46.000 And again, Harvey Weinstein, Roger Ailes, James Toback, Bill Cosby, guilty as charged.

00:41:53.000 I'm not saying that these allegations are always false.

00:41:56.000 I'm just saying that there are plenty of false allegations.

00:42:00.000 Dove Charney.

00:42:02.000 Dove's a horny guy, not an attractive Jewish nerdy dude with glasses and a very high-pitched voice who talks 24 hours a day.

00:42:11.000 I know him.

00:42:13.000 And he started getting late because of American Apparel.

00:42:17.000 You know, here's the thing that is going to sound horribly sexist.

00:42:21.000 Women get turned on when they're being photographed.

00:42:23.000 I remember I was with Terry Richardson and we were photographing a cover for Vice.

00:42:26.000 It was this black woman and she looked unbelievably beautiful in this bikini.

00:42:31.000 And I was right close to her and I was like, you look so unbelievably good right now.

00:42:35.000 That sounds like sexual harassment in 2017.

00:42:37.000 Back in 2002, that was just like complimenting a lady.

00:42:42.000 And I'm like, look at you.

00:42:44.000 You're unbelievable.

00:42:45.000 I think even her boyfriend was in the studio at the time.

00:42:48.000 And she sort of turned into a feral animal.

00:42:51.000 And she said, I got the sweetest pussy in the world.

00:42:54.000 You wouldn't believe how sweet my pussy is.

00:42:56.000 Whoa, whoa, easy lady.

00:42:57.000 It was like she became possessed for a second.

00:42:59.000 And I think it's because she was getting really turned on by this.

00:43:01.000 And women would hurl themselves at Terry.

00:43:03.000 And they'd hurl themselves at Dove.

00:43:06.000 And Dove got charged with sexual harassment.

00:43:10.000 They claimed, one woman claimed, Irina Morales claimed that she was a sex slave.

00:43:14.000 And forced to, to perform sex acts for him.

00:43:17.000 Held captive.

00:43:18.000 And then this other woman, Kimberlo, said he raped her.

00:43:21.000 And they both got together on, I think, Good Morning America or something, wearing little sort of sweater vests and pencil skirts and sitting with their knees close together saying, Yes, I was raped.

00:43:31.000 How much are you asking for?

00:43:31.000 And this goes back to the Bill O'Reilly thing.

00:43:34.000 Uh, $250 million.

00:43:35.000 $125 each.

00:43:35.000 Pardon?

00:43:39.000 A quarter of a billion?

00:43:41.000 Did he eat your family?

00:43:44.000 When do you get a quarter of a billion when someone peels your skin off in front of your children?

00:43:49.000 When you get stabbed in the eye once a day for seven years?

00:43:54.000 You get $125 million each for that?

00:43:58.000 And that didn't happen, by the way.

00:44:00.000 Luckily, it's the digital age, and Dove had photographs of the so-called rape where this woman was clearly enjoying herself, so Kimberle lost that case.

00:44:10.000 I helped make these photographs public, and I never would have done that, by the way, if they hadn't drawn first blood and appeared on Good Morning America saying they're being raped.

00:44:18.000 But all bets are off at that point.

00:44:19.000 And then the other one, Irina Morales, we find out that after she was fired from American Apparel for being useless, she was still sending him flirtatious texts, herself naked, penetrating herself, saying, I want to be your sex slave.

00:44:32.000 I want to perform an act on your back area.

00:44:36.000 I don't know how to say this in a TV-friendly way, podcast-friendly way, radio-friendly way.

00:44:44.000 And what really bothered me, by the way, about her emails, I felt I had to have a shower after I did the research for this article, too.

00:44:50.000 She had Frederick Douglass as a quote at the bottom of her emails as a signature.

00:44:55.000 And this is after she's saying, I want to be your slave and then prosecuting him for the lie that she was a slave with Frederick Douglass, the key player in the abolitionist movement, as her signature.

00:45:07.000 I mean, the audacity of these stupid millennials is just downright disgusting.

00:45:11.000 But once it happened once with Dove,

00:45:14.000 And he paid them $40,000, which seems to be the common figure they pay on these things, $40,000, or at least it was when I was researching it.

00:45:22.000 Then the next one goes, repeated alleged sex offender or reported to have blah, blah, blah.

00:45:27.000 So once it happens once or twice, you can keep adding to it.

00:45:30.000 Now, I think the Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein numbers don't include that.

00:45:35.000 That's too big of a number.

00:45:37.000 But with Dove and Terry, there was like three or four cases and that became repeated sex offender.

00:45:43.000 Now Terry's was even more ridiculous.

00:45:46.000 With Terry Richardson, the allegation was that he makes women blow him in exchange for a spot in Vogue magazine.

00:45:54.000 Now anyone with any kind of a brain should go, wait a minute.

00:45:58.000 That's like saying, if you have sex with me, you can get in the MLB.

00:46:02.000 You can't get in the MLB if you can't play baseball.

00:46:05.000 You can't get in Vogue if your ass is the size of three watermelons.

00:46:10.000 And there's this woman, Jamie Peck, who is clearly never going to be a model.

00:46:15.000 Very clear.

00:46:16.000 Look at her.

00:46:17.000 Look at her ass.

00:46:18.000 She's not going to be in Vogue.

00:46:19.000 And even Anna Wintour's daughter, I don't even know if she has one, but if Anna Wintour's daughter was a sphere or looked like Megan McCarthy or any of those women, actually any woman from Ghostbusters, if Anna Wintour's daughter looked like any of the female Ghostbusters, there's no way in hell she's going to be on the cover of Vogue.

00:46:37.000 Even though Anna runs the show there.

00:46:40.000 Because it's Vogue.

00:46:42.000 They would go bankrupt.

00:46:43.000 People would go, what the hell?

00:46:44.000 What's she doing?

00:46:44.000 They have a very particular type.

00:46:46.000 They have to look, and I don't find it attractive by the way, they have to look like an alien.

00:46:49.000 They have to have one eye over here and one eye over here like a hammerhead shark.

00:46:53.000 Then they have to be totally skinny and have the body of a stretched out 12 year old boy.

00:46:57.000 That's what's hot in modeling.

00:46:59.000 Not my cup of tea.

00:47:01.000 So the idea that all you had to do was have sex with Terry to get into a fashion magazine is ridiculous.

00:47:07.000 And this chick Jamie Peck with these really tacky sort of 90s tattoos, the idea of her getting in vogue is just not plausible.

00:47:15.000 So she was clearly just going for attention.

00:47:17.000 And New York Magazine did a big article on it and they noticed when they were looking at the pictures of Jamie that she had about 12 different hairdos in them.

00:47:25.000 I think so.

00:47:44.000 She calls back and she goes, actually, hold on a sec.

00:47:46.000 This is actually proof that I was raped.

00:47:48.000 Pardon?

00:47:49.000 Yes, because I was so intensely traumatized that I kept going back, and I was so traumatized that I forgot that I kept going back.

00:48:00.000 So my story prevails.

00:48:02.000 And you go, you know what I think?

00:48:04.000 I think that you just chose this because it's, you thought it would give you some substance.

00:48:08.000 I'm a Terry Richardson victim.

00:48:11.000 And if you check her articles, she'll, there'll be something going on like, like North Korea.

00:48:16.000 And she'll go seven years later, how being raped by Terry Richardson was my own personal North Korea.

00:48:23.000 Keeps crowbarring this lie into her persona.

00:48:28.000 And, you know, it lost Terry millions and it lost Terry a lot of employees.

00:48:34.000 She made a lot of people unemployed with this crap.

00:48:37.000 Trying to get, I don't know, one extra blog article.

00:48:40.000 I don't think these young girls realize the consequences of false allegations.

00:48:45.000 And even today, he was on the cover of the Daily News two days ago and it said Condé Nast is banning him.

00:48:51.000 And you go, for what?

00:48:53.000 And they go, this shit that happened 10 years ago.

00:48:55.000 We decided to bring it back up.

00:48:57.000 Now, Terry has been a total square since then.

00:49:00.000 He lives way out in upstate New York.

00:49:02.000 He even canned his look.

00:49:04.000 He stopped wearing the flannels and the chucks and now he wears white Reeboks and denim shirts, which I strongly disapprove of.

00:49:10.000 Married with two kids.

00:49:11.000 But no, it still follows him.

00:49:14.000 And one of the things, by the way, back when all this hullabaloo started for Terry, some 18-year-old in Britain

00:49:21.000 tweeted, uh, so you're still going to work with Terry?

00:49:24.000 He's a rape apologist.

00:49:25.000 And she tweeted that to H&M.

00:49:27.000 H&M goes, nope, he's done.

00:49:29.000 Don't worry about it.

00:49:30.000 This is a woman who'd never been to this continent.

00:49:33.000 And he, she killed a, I don't know, quarter of a million dollar campaign and all the people who were paying their rent with it.

00:49:40.000 Again, I sound like I'm saying rape should be free and there should be no punishment and all women are liars.

00:49:49.000 I'm not saying that.

00:49:51.000 I'm trying to provide some perspective and saying that there are guilty guys and there are innocent guys.

00:50:00.000 My dad is an innocent guy.

00:50:03.000 My dad was dancing at an office party once, and someone made a joke about him being bald, which he is.

00:50:10.000 Can you believe how blessed I am, by the way, with these gorgeous locks?

00:50:14.000 I mean, Justin Theroux, Jennifer Aniston's husband, once said to me, I am brutally jealous of you for about a quarter of an inch down, and then I stop.

00:50:22.000 Meaning, from the top to a quarter of an inch, he's jealous of me, and then my brain is there, and then he stops being jealous immediately.

00:50:29.000 But my dad was not blessed with these gorgeous locks.

00:50:32.000 He's gross bald.

00:50:34.000 He's bald like a testicle.

00:50:37.000 He looks like a scrotum upside down and he's happy to admit that.

00:50:40.000 Plus he's been in a million fights so his nose is flat and he has these huge tire lips.

00:50:44.000 He looks like a cartoon.

00:50:46.000 But he was dancing at an office party back when he worked at Prior Data Sciences and someone made a joke about him being bald and he was dancing with a female friend of the family and

00:50:57.000 He said, women love it.

00:50:59.000 It looks like a penis.

00:51:00.000 They find it sexy.

00:51:02.000 So he gets an HR complaint.

00:51:05.000 But it wasn't from someone who was even there.

00:51:08.000 It's from someone who heard about it.

00:51:10.000 So they prosecuted my dad.

00:51:11.000 And HR walks into my dad's office.

00:51:13.000 And he goes, sir, you're making penis jokes at a company function.

00:51:17.000 And he goes, what?

00:51:18.000 He didn't even remember it.

00:51:20.000 And then, uh-oh, I just noticed something I'll tell you about later.

00:51:27.000 And so they went up to the woman who was part of the penis joke.

00:51:30.000 And they said, so do you want to press charges?

00:51:32.000 And she goes, she barely remembered it either!

00:51:35.000 And she goes, uh, I guess?

00:51:38.000 No, no, I definitely don't want to press charges, but I guess that happened?

00:51:40.000 Oh yeah, Jim made a penis joke or something?

00:51:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:43.000 Uh, no.

00:51:44.000 I don't want to press fucking charges, you lunatics.

00:51:49.000 And that brings us to my favorite example of an innocent man, as of recent, which is George Bush Sr.

00:51:59.000 George Bush Sr.

00:51:59.000 is a World War II vet.

00:52:01.000 The guy is one million years old.

00:52:04.000 When he poses in photos, he's going to touch your ass, because he can't lift his arms up high.

00:52:09.000 He's like John McCain.

00:52:10.000 He can't lift his arms up high.

00:52:12.000 So in a photo, his hand's going to end up on your ass.

00:52:16.000 He's probably not doing it on purpose.

00:52:18.000 Now, there was an actress recently, uh, dig up her name, Dave, who claimed that he sexually harassed her with lewd jokes and then molested her.

00:52:30.000 He was only a mere 89 when this happened.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, Jordana Grodnick?

00:52:37.000 She's probably got a movie out soon.

00:52:40.000 And apparently the joke was, uh, what was the joke she said?

00:52:44.000 Uh, grab a lot?

00:52:46.000 Uh, who's your favorite actor?

00:52:47.000 Oh yeah, David Coppa feel, she says.

00:52:51.000 By the way, for the record, that's a funny joke.

00:52:55.000 If an 89 year old, he was 89 at the time, if an 89 year old grabs your butt, I don't care if you're female or male or nude.

00:53:03.000 And he says, my favorite actor is David Copperfield.

00:53:05.000 Laugh.

00:53:06.000 At the very most, roll your eyes.

00:53:09.000 89?

00:53:10.000 The whole purpose of these laws is power.

00:53:15.000 It's to prevent powerful men from taking advantage of weak women.

00:53:20.000 So if a big, strong, hulking man picks you up and grabs your ass, then you call the cops because you're not strong enough to beat him up.

00:53:30.000 A 89-year-old man can't hurt you.

00:53:31.000 You could beat him up with a piece of licorice.

00:53:34.000 So if he says, my favorite actor is David Copperfield, and he grabs your buns, laugh.

00:53:39.000 It's funny.

00:53:42.000 What if it was your wife?

00:53:45.000 Stop saying that, by the way.

00:53:47.000 Stop trying to make me irrational by bringing my family into it, but I think I would laugh.

00:53:51.000 I mean, if it really meant a lot to her, I'd be worried that my wife was losing her mind.

00:53:55.000 But I guess I would, like, take him by the back of the wheelchair and push him away?

00:54:00.000 Ten feet?

00:54:02.000 Or say, stop?

00:54:03.000 I don't know.

00:54:04.000 It's not a good example of sexual harassment.

00:54:06.000 It totally trivializes real cases.

00:54:09.000 George Bush Sr.

00:54:10.000 touched your buns?

00:54:12.000 That's insane.

00:54:14.000 Another case I remember, there was this MTV VJ, Ian Robinson.

00:54:19.000 He was a metal dude.

00:54:21.000 I met him a couple times.

00:54:22.000 Awesome guy.

00:54:23.000 And it was weird seeing him on MTV as a VJ because he didn't fit the criteria.

00:54:28.000 He seemed like one of us.

00:54:29.000 One of us weirdos.

00:54:30.000 One of us ex-punks.

00:54:34.000 He didn't have that sort of slick, I don't know, a lot of those guys have a date rapey kind of vibe to be honest.

00:54:39.000 But anyway, Ian Robinson said to Vijay Suchinpak, the rumor was he called her an Asian whore.

00:54:49.000 And said that he started singing Me Love You Long Time and she felt sexually harassed so he lost his job and his career.

00:54:56.000 Now I think he does video game reviews or something.

00:54:58.000 That ended his career forever.

00:55:00.000 And I see her sometimes and every time I see her I just think, you effing c-word.

00:55:06.000 You vile human being.

00:55:09.000 When you think what she gained, I think she sued MTV, I don't know, maybe she got 40 grand.

00:55:14.000 So you got that little extra boost that year, you probably partied a little more, went out to dinner more, and you ruined a guy's life for a lie.

00:55:22.000 What he actually said was, wow, they really do make you look like a prostitute.

00:55:26.000 No, sorry.

00:55:28.000 Well, they really do make her look like a prostitute.

00:55:31.000 See, they were in the editing bay and they were looking at Soo Chin Pak.

00:55:33.000 And I believe she personally complained about having too much makeup on and how they make her look like a prostitute.

00:55:39.000 And he had said, well, they really do.

00:55:41.000 And the editor laughed.

00:55:42.000 But someone heard that this joke was made in the editing room.

00:55:48.000 And that snowballed into Asian Whore Me Love You Long Time.

00:55:51.000 Ian's career is over.

00:55:56.000 Another example of an innocent dude, Donald Trump.

00:56:01.000 I won't go over this too much because we've been over it way too much but the joke in the bus was clearly a joke and it was about real groupies and what they let you get away with.

00:56:11.000 That somehow became when Trump gets into office you may grab women's genitalia on a whim.

00:56:17.000 Genitalia.

00:56:20.000 And it really just shows that I think

00:56:25.000 The left isn't aware of groupies.

00:56:26.000 I remember Fred Armisen was a bad guy.

00:56:28.000 You remember this?

00:56:29.000 It said, Fred Armisen is getting a reputation!

00:56:34.000 Fred Armisen was just, he's one of the most successful people in the world when you think of him creatively.

00:56:40.000 He's a guy in a band that likes to do jokes.

00:56:43.000 As a guy in a band who likes punk stuff, he's played with members of The Clash, The Sex Pistols, Husker Du.

00:56:51.000 As a comedian, he's been in tons of movies.

00:56:52.000 He's had a very successful show, Portlandia.

00:56:55.000 He's had a very successful career on SNL.

00:57:00.000 The guy is killing it.

00:57:02.000 I would be so jealous of him if he had a wife and kids, but I don't get jealous of people who don't have a wife and kids.

00:57:06.000 But wow, is he successful.

00:57:09.000 And so, women are attracted to that.

00:57:12.000 And the article that said, he's getting a reputation!

00:57:15.000 Basically, man, he's sleeping with a lot of girls.

00:57:17.000 And not marrying them.

00:57:18.000 You can only sleep with a girl marrier once, you realize.

00:57:22.000 Although some of them push it to four times.

00:57:23.000 But this is a famous guy getting laid a lot.

00:57:26.000 I mean, would you say the same thing about Motley Crue?

00:57:29.000 What is he doing wrong?

00:57:33.000 And yes, Donald Trump had groupies.

00:57:38.000 And in his monologue with Billy Bush, which, by the way, could have been a lie, too.

00:57:43.000 That's a big, tall, famous guy talking to a short, famous guy, wanting them to have a good rapport.

00:57:48.000 So he demeaned himself and called himself, I believe, a faggot, a pussy, and said, I bought her a bunch of furniture and she shut me down.

00:57:55.000 That, him, that's him, that's what us, us big guys do around little guys.

00:57:59.000 And I say us, I mean like, if I was being interviewed by someone who didn't have my kind of reputation, I would want to demean myself to put us on an equal playing field so we could get along better.

00:58:13.000 Um, and I think that's what he was doing there.

00:58:15.000 He was saying, I'm a loser, I'm a faggot, let's hang out.

00:58:18.000 Don't, don't be uncomfortable around me, let's make this a good interview.

00:58:21.000 And that's the thing about being private.

00:58:24.000 It's none of anyone's business because if you take all my private conversations out of context, you don't know the background there.

00:58:31.000 You don't know if it's an inside joke.

00:58:33.000 You don't know what I was trying to do.

00:58:35.000 You know, maybe the guy who donated to the anti-gay marriage thing is a gay who doesn't want gays to be normalized and likes that they can't get married.

00:58:42.000 Maybe the sex is better when you're taboo and he doesn't want gays to be mainstreamed.

00:58:46.000 It's none of your business!

00:58:50.000 It's none of your business what people say about you behind your back.

00:58:54.000 I don't want to know what people say about me behind my back.

00:58:57.000 I had my password to my wife's private message boards.

00:59:01.000 I thought, I don't want to go on this.

00:59:03.000 I don't want to hear her thoughts.

00:59:04.000 I don't want to hear if she's thinking about Tom Hardy.

00:59:08.000 That doesn't do me any favors.

00:59:11.000 That's her personal thoughts.

00:59:13.000 But we're so into people's personal thoughts.

00:59:14.000 You know why?

00:59:15.000 Because we want

00:59:17.000 Cis white males to be rapist Nazis.

00:59:19.000 And so, when we get real cases, like Weinstein, Cosby, Toback, and Ailes, we start applying it to other people.

00:59:26.000 And that's problematic, because now, we're in this tsunami of cases.

00:59:32.000 Like Crystal Castles guy.

00:59:35.000 Now, Crystal Castles are a band, an awesome band.

00:59:38.000 Hey Dave, if I play something, will it play on the podcast?

00:59:42.000 Uh, yep, it will.

00:59:43.000 Okay, Crystal Castles are like a dance band.

00:59:46.000 It's a chick, sort of like Tinker Bells, what are they called, that other band?

00:59:49.000 Sleigh Bells?

00:59:51.000 Where it's a beautiful girl singing and then the guy doing all the work with the engineering and the music.

00:59:57.000 They're pretty good to listen to.

00:59:59.000 I'll just play you a clip.

01:00:15.000 I mean, you might not like that.

01:00:17.000 I think it's awesome.

01:00:18.000 And live, it's a trip.

01:00:21.000 I told you, I saw them at a music festival and I was thinking, this is better than punk.

01:00:26.000 You've outdone punk.

01:00:27.000 This is more exciting than punk rock.

01:00:30.000 But she's recently come out and claimed that she's been sexually abused.

01:00:35.000 I've been afraid, I've been threatened and harassed.

01:00:37.000 And as a result of fear, I've been silenced.

01:00:40.000 Now, I've been cursed with skepticism with these cases.

01:00:44.000 I don't like that.

01:00:45.000 When I'm reading about a 16 or a 17 year old being harassed and abused, I want to have the freedom to go kill him!

01:00:54.000 To go beat his ass!

01:00:56.000 But now, with all these fake cases, like the G.W.

01:01:00.000 Bush thing, I go, wait a minute, what happened here?

01:01:04.000 Before I pillory this guy?

01:01:07.000 So she says, he controlled everything I did.

01:01:11.000 I wasn't allowed to have my own phone or my own credit card.

01:01:13.000 He decided who my friends were, read through my private emails, restricted my access to social media, regulated everything I ate.

01:01:19.000 He berated me and yelled at me, telling me that I was a joke, that all the people that came to our shows were only interested in his instrumentals, and that I was running the band.

01:01:28.000 Oh, that I was ruining the band.

01:01:30.000 He broke glass shower doors to frighten me.

01:01:32.000 He locked me into rooms.

01:01:33.000 He told me that my feminism made me a target for rapists, and only he could protect me.

01:01:37.000 He forced me to have sex with him.

01:01:40.000 Or, he said, I wouldn't be allowed to be in the band anymore.

01:01:42.000 That's rape.

01:01:44.000 There's rape.

01:01:46.000 Is it true, though?

01:01:48.000 How much of it is true?

01:01:52.000 These feminists have given us homework assignments with every case here, and the problem with Kangaroo Court is, I pay my taxes for someone else to deal with this.

01:02:00.000 I'm happy to get involved any way I can, but it's not- I'm not a lawyer.

01:02:05.000 And so you present me all this flimsy evidence, and I've got to go through, and now I want to talk to your friends, now I want to talk to his friends, now I want to talk to the tour manager.

01:02:13.000 I gotta- I gotta quit my job, I gotta leave my family, just to know if this one case is true.

01:02:19.000 Well, we have another one today.

01:02:21.000 Knight Landesman, the editor of Artforum.

01:02:25.000 Artforum's a fancy art magazine.

01:02:27.000 I think this guy's a rich dude.

01:02:29.000 And he is, uh, he's told that, uh, we're told that he sexually harassed people.

01:02:35.000 I don't know about the culture of the time either.

01:02:36.000 Like Terry Richardson, for example.

01:02:38.000 If you look at his shoots, you'll see him naked, being fellated, having sex with women.

01:02:43.000 You'll also see him with semen all over his face.

01:02:47.000 Now, that's disgusting.

01:02:49.000 But it also isn't really indicative of a sexual predator.

01:02:52.000 It's indicative of a guy who did really raunchy, weird sex acts.

01:02:56.000 His photography brought raunchy New York to high fashion.

01:03:00.000 So you'd have a woman barfing or something in Yves Saint Laurent, and that had never really been done before, and he was sort of anti-Photoshop, like you'd have a zit on a woman's butt that you normally would never see, especially in high fashion mags.

01:03:12.000 But the culture back then was all our friends were dying of heroin overdoses.

01:03:18.000 Death was rampant.

01:03:19.000 I remember there was this one girl who was crying.

01:03:22.000 She came over to his house and she was crying because her friend had just OD'd.

01:03:25.000 And he took pictures of her sitting on the bed crying.

01:03:28.000 And I remember a lot of our friends were mad at him about that.

01:03:31.000 They thought he was taking advantage of her.

01:03:33.000 And I said, that's art.

01:03:33.000 It's beautiful.

01:03:34.000 And I've seen the pictures.

01:03:35.000 She's sitting on the bed wrapped in an American flag crying.

01:03:39.000 It's awesome art.

01:03:40.000 And it's brutally sad.

01:03:43.000 So when you employ, you know, 2017 standards on early 2000 punk rock New York City photography, Ryan McGinley, blue chip photographer, gay dude, I bet if you looked a lot of his old pictures you'd see naked guys having sex and you could, you could, if Ryan McGinley, I just thought of this right now, if Ryan McGinley was a straight white male you could easily

01:04:07.000 frame a huge case about how kids were forced to have sex on tour.

01:04:12.000 He had these vacations where he'd follow people with cameras and they were encouraged to have sex acts with each other.

01:04:18.000 This is true in the sense that he did do these photo shoots.

01:04:22.000 It's not true in the sense that implying they were coerced.

01:04:26.000 They definitely were not coerced.

01:04:28.000 I'm not criticizing Ryan here.

01:04:29.000 But I'm saying that to take one era's sexual dynamics and apply them to today's

01:04:36.000 Remarkably stringent values can make a lot of people look bad that aren't bad.

01:04:43.000 But again, Weinstein, Cosby, Toback, Ailes are bad.

01:04:48.000 So this Crystal Castles guy, I'm left wondering, well, what's going on here?

01:04:52.000 And the same with Knight Landsman.

01:04:54.000 And the same with John Besch.

01:04:56.000 This is a celebrity chef in New Orleans that we just found out today.

01:04:59.000 New Orleans.

01:05:00.000 He's a celebrity chef on New Orleans.

01:05:02.000 You know what I gotta do?

01:05:03.000 I gotta do a YouTube video on how to do a Cajun accent, which I can't do very well.

01:05:07.000 Because...

01:05:08.000 People from New Orleans are real sensitive about people thinking they can do their accent.

01:05:13.000 So if I did my terrible Cajun accent and made it an instruction video on YouTube... First of all, when you do a Cajun accent, you have to relax your mouth.

01:05:24.000 And you have to talk like a from the bayou, yeah.

01:05:26.000 Can you imagine how many down likes you would have?

01:05:30.000 Oh my god, the comments would be molten lava.

01:05:33.000 People would be so pissed.

01:05:35.000 All right.

01:05:37.000 Nickelodeon, too, by the way, is in trouble.

01:05:40.000 Nickelodeon is rumored to be coming down.

01:05:44.000 Now, Nickelodeon has a lot of nerds working at it, I imagine.

01:05:47.000 And nerds make money, and they get famous, and they start acting.

01:05:50.000 Remember the cartoon Clarence?

01:05:52.000 Now, if you're not a dad, you probably don't know this.

01:05:53.000 It's a brilliant cartoon.

01:05:56.000 And the word on the street was that the guy who created it grabbed one of his top animators and started hugging her.

01:06:04.000 So he had to go away and get therapy.

01:06:06.000 I think he went to, like, hug rehab for 30 days.

01:06:09.000 This was before this culture.

01:06:11.000 So it was handled in-house, and he was sort of shooed away.

01:06:14.000 And I talked to other people, like Jay Howell at Sanjay and Craig, and I said, uh, he's the guy who did the cartoons for Bob Burgers.

01:06:21.000 I always wanted to be a cartoonist, so I know these people.

01:06:24.000 And, uh, I said, what's going on there?

01:06:26.000 And he said, I don't know, but don't hug your staff, whether they like it or not.

01:06:30.000 Don't get involved in that.

01:06:32.000 And the Clarence guy did and he was outed for it.

01:06:34.000 We don't know if he was guilty or innocent, but that brings us, I guess, to Mark Halperin, the MSNBC guy.

01:06:43.000 Now, I just heard about this right before we started this podcast.

01:06:48.000 So Dave, have you been researching this?

01:06:49.000 I don't know anything at all about the Halperin case.

01:06:53.000 Yeah, five women basically accused him of sexually harassing them.

01:06:59.000 A few women said, you know, he grabbed their breasts, and one said that he rubbed his dick against them, his hard cock, through his pants.

01:07:10.000 Now, he said, uh, yeah, yeah, I did sexually harass a few women, I regret doing that, but I definitely didn't do that.

01:07:18.000 I definitely didn't, you know, the more graphic details, he did not admit to.

01:07:22.000 Did not rub his dick on... Yeah.

01:07:25.000 You know, I can't think... But he doesn't work at MSNBC anymore, obviously.

01:07:28.000 I can't think of a relationship where a woman would want me to rub my dick on her.

01:07:33.000 Even my wife on our wedding night.

01:07:35.000 I think she'd go, what are you doing?

01:07:36.000 Like, take it out and let's get to business, but don't rub it on my leg.

01:07:42.000 Maybe gaze like that, but I really don't see any woman.

01:07:46.000 It's like dick pics.

01:07:47.000 I don't see any woman going, ah, what a great dick.

01:07:52.000 I'm just going to sit here and look at this dick.

01:07:55.000 I think what happens with, you know what my theory is with dick pics?

01:07:57.000 I think women send nudes and they go, uh, what if we break up?

01:08:01.000 I'm not nuts that that's out there.

01:08:03.000 Can you send me some dick pics as collateral?

01:08:06.000 So if you launch, if you release the pics I sent you, I can release your penis.

01:08:11.000 But I don't, I just don't believe that women sit down and enjoy some dick pics.

01:08:16.000 But I think we're at a danger here of creating a really sort of sanitized work environment and I don't think HR is the solution to this.

01:08:25.000 Like in that thing you just talked about, rubbing your dick on someone, grabbing their boob, we have laws for that.

01:08:31.000 That's assault.

01:08:32.000 Going to HR...

01:08:35.000 I made a joke once at Fox News, and this is shortly after I said, makeup is stupid.

01:08:41.000 I don't think you should get makeup on TV.

01:08:44.000 I think it's dumb.

01:08:45.000 I think it makes the person look like a weird peach, like Lou Dobbs.

01:08:50.000 Love the guy.

01:08:52.000 When he gets his makeup on, look at him on screen.

01:08:54.000 He has a weird, it looks like a skin-colored crayon, labia, peach.

01:09:00.000 And men, my age, his age, we have blotches and stubble and we don't look like peaches.

01:09:07.000 And I don't think, there's not this push for men my age to have a uniform skin tone.

01:09:13.000 It's not something people are aching for.

01:09:16.000 You know, if there's a 22-year-old girl and it's an important date night and she's got a huge, pustulant red dot on her cheek, she wants to cover that with makeup.

01:09:25.000 It's a distraction.

01:09:25.000 I understand that.

01:09:27.000 Or, back in the 90s, when the Sony cameras weren't good at filtering out light, and you had to have huge, giant lights above you, people would sweat.

01:09:39.000 So they needed makeup to absorb the sweat so they didn't look like Nathan Thrum, that Martin Short character where he's sweating to death.

01:09:47.000 The nervous lawyer.

01:09:49.000 But here in 2017, cameras are remarkably advanced.

01:09:54.000 Men don't need makeup.

01:09:55.000 Anyway, I started saying that at Fox, and I feel like the makeup team there started seeing me as a threat.

01:10:01.000 Coincidentally, soon after that I was doing a joke.

01:10:05.000 I do this stupid joke.

01:10:06.000 I have like 15 jokes.

01:10:08.000 I'll probably do a sketch of them on the show, because there's 15 jokes I've been saying since birth that always do well.

01:10:14.000 Like, for example, when I'm done at a dinner and I really loved it and I cleaned my plate bare, I'll hand it to the waitress and go, I can't finish this.

01:10:22.000 I'm sorry.

01:10:23.000 You'll have to tell the chef.

01:10:24.000 It's not particularly hilarious, but it's a cute little quip that always gets a chortle.

01:10:30.000 With getting miked on TV, I always go, ooh, that's chilly.

01:10:34.000 Ooh, that's cold.

01:10:36.000 And everyone laughs.

01:10:39.000 And then I say, at least my OB-GYN has the courtesy to warm the forceps up with a hot towel first.

01:10:46.000 That always gets a laugh from chicks because they're impressed that I know about OB-GYN or it's funny to hear me talk like I go to a gynecologist.

01:10:54.000 So, that got a laugh, and then I got drunk with the attention, and I said the following, which I'm not proud of.

01:11:00.000 I said, ooh, I can feel my cunt lips crawling up into my body here!

01:11:03.000 That thing's freezing!

01:11:04.000 Zero laughs.

01:11:06.000 And they went to HR after, and I was banned from the building for six months.

01:11:10.000 Now, I, uh...

01:11:12.000 Totally get Fox banning me because monetarily they're looking at probably a $250,000 suit if they leave me in the building because the makeup artist could say I felt unsafe and then they kept having this horrible sexual predator come back to the studio and say his horrible vagina words in my face and

01:11:33.000 And now this is someone who warned a company that they feel unsafe, and then that woman was still under duress in an unsafe position.

01:11:42.000 That's a great case for a lawyer.

01:11:43.000 So they probably thought, let's just get her to another floor, get Gavin out of here, and then they won't have a case, because we can say, we tried.

01:11:49.000 He is bad news.

01:11:51.000 I'm not mad at Fox for that.

01:11:53.000 I would do the same thing.

01:11:54.000 But it just shows that this is the downside of this kangaroo court climate we have.

01:11:59.000 And I remember when I worked at Rebel,

01:12:02.000 Anything went they had zero HR, and this is sorry before rebel media was rebel media It was called Sun News, and it was a like a mini Fox it had Three studios that about 50 desks, and it was that sort of up up a floor and down a floor You know like an elevated sort of a three steps kind of thing.

01:12:19.000 It was a beautiful office Wonderful everyone there was cool, and there was no HR, and you could do any joke you wanted and

01:12:25.000 Racist jokes?

01:12:26.000 Half the time it was an Indian or a black person saying something racist to a white person.

01:12:30.000 But it was anything goes.

01:12:32.000 And guess what happens when people are free to be themselves?

01:12:36.000 No bonafide racism.

01:12:38.000 No bonafide sexual harassment.

01:12:41.000 What's going on?

01:12:41.000 Are you dating?

01:12:43.000 I like a guy.

01:12:44.000 Let me see him.

01:12:45.000 I'd get her Instagram.

01:12:46.000 She'd show me the guy.

01:12:48.000 He's handsome, but he looks too handsome.

01:12:49.000 Is he dumb?

01:12:50.000 That was me talking to young girls.

01:12:52.000 Whenever I talk to young pretty girls, my first instinct is, let's get you hooked up and breeding, because I'm obviously not going to sleep with her.

01:12:58.000 So I want, I want her to match.

01:13:01.000 I'm a matchmaker.

01:13:02.000 Now that could be construed in modern HR as sexual harassment, but it wasn't there because it isn't.

01:13:07.000 And I did this one joke I would regularly do, that you do when there's no HR.

01:13:11.000 I would undo my belt and my pants, so they were totally loose, and then I'd be holding them with just like my, the heel of my palm of my hand or something, and I would come up and go, hi, okay, on this meeting on Thursday, what I want to do is, and then I would let my pants fall.

01:13:26.000 Now, I'm not letting my bare ass be exposed or anything, I just have my underwear on, but I pretend I was brutally embarrassed, and I go, God damn it!

01:13:33.000 And pull my pants up, and go this,

01:13:35.000 Fuckin' belt!

01:13:36.000 And I would do my pants back up.

01:13:38.000 I'm not sitting there sexually going, hello ladies.

01:13:41.000 I'm pretending that my pants keep falling down.

01:13:43.000 It's like it's in the same vein as Charlie Chaplin or Buster Keaton.

01:13:48.000 It's early 20s slapstick.

01:13:51.000 And it would always garner a huge laugh because it was so stupid.

01:13:55.000 And I just thought, how great to be in this environment.

01:13:58.000 Women were not victims in that environment.

01:14:00.000 Visible minorities, of which there were plenty, were not victims in that environment.

01:14:04.000 Everyone could just relax and joke around.

01:14:06.000 And this was women in a predominantly male workforce being treated like equals.

01:14:12.000 And if you're treated like an equal, there's a lot of sexual jokes there.

01:14:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:14:17.000 I heard about some woman who was talking about sexual harassment recently, a comedy writer, that was on the Gary Shandling Show.

01:14:22.000 And she talked about someone who put their penis on her shoulder.

01:14:26.000 Now, I've done that to male co-workers in much more relaxed environments than TV news.

01:14:35.000 Because it's funny.

01:14:37.000 You know, at Vice, I took off all my clothes and put someone's phone in my buttcheeks and then put it back on the receiver and then four days later sent them a picture so they could see that.

01:14:46.000 That's probably a brutal crime right now.

01:14:48.000 That guy, by the way, just beat me up.

01:14:51.000 Which I deserved.

01:14:51.000 I had that coming.

01:14:53.000 And he got me back, too.

01:14:54.000 So, you're not allowed to do both, by the way.

01:14:56.000 You can't beat me up and get revenge.

01:14:59.000 It's one or the other.

01:15:01.000 But I remember we had a meeting at Rebel and we were, it was everyone involved and we all flew up to Toronto and I sat down and I said, basically I just said to you right now, but how much I enjoy working in a place with no HR.

01:15:13.000 And then I sat down after I've done my little talk and learned the meeting was to announce we have an HR!

01:15:20.000 But, in Rebel's defense, they get investors, and the investors go, okay, what's this?

01:15:26.000 Oh, it's Rebel News.

01:15:27.000 Okay, what goes on here?

01:15:28.000 Oh, they throw urine at Lauren Southern, one of the reporters, and the investor goes, no, thank you.

01:15:33.000 I don't want to get sued and lose all my equity.

01:15:36.000 So you have to end up, we live in a culture where you have to get an HR in order for investors to feel like their money's in a safe place, which is ridiculous.

01:15:45.000 And it's not fun, and it turns everyone into pariahs.

01:15:48.000 It makes everyone scared.

01:15:50.000 You know, I don't work in a corporate environment, but if I did, if I worked at Fox, for example, I wouldn't joke around with people.

01:15:59.000 I wouldn't have a beer at lunch.

01:16:00.000 I'd make sure I had a coffee and a large meal before every meeting.

01:16:05.000 I wouldn't want to be at a meeting where it was just women.

01:16:08.000 I'd be very uncomfortable there.

01:16:09.000 That's not a good work environment, ladies.

01:16:12.000 And if you sue your boss for something that's not valid, then you're telling bosses not to hire women.

01:16:19.000 Now,

01:16:20.000 I'm going to go further with that and say, don't sue your boss.

01:16:25.000 Don't file a complaint.

01:16:27.000 Ban HR entirely.

01:16:29.000 It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

01:16:32.000 If someone grabs your breasts, that's assault.

01:16:36.000 Call the cops.

01:16:38.000 If a man rubs his penis up against you, that's assault.

01:16:41.000 An unwanted touch is assault.

01:16:44.000 Call the cops.

01:16:46.000 You're taking money for it?

01:16:48.000 That's prostitution!

01:16:51.000 If some guy molests you and is a rapist or a sexual predator and you accept money for that, not only are you being a prostitute, but you're letting this criminal free!

01:17:01.000 Which brings me to my conclusion.

01:17:04.000 I told you I'd have a solution to all this, and I've alluded to it many times over this podcast.

01:17:09.000 But the solution is...

01:17:12.000 Call the cops.

01:17:13.000 The solution is the law.

01:17:15.000 Remember Mattress Girl?

01:17:17.000 I know cops.

01:17:18.000 She went to the NYPD.

01:17:20.000 They saw her texts that she sent to him after the so-called rape.

01:17:24.000 And you know what they said to her?

01:17:26.000 They said, you better get the hell out of my sight right now.

01:17:29.000 Because this is looking a hell of a lot like a false rape allegation, and that's a crime.

01:17:35.000 Do you know what you're doing here?

01:17:36.000 Do you know that you could end up in jail?

01:17:38.000 She, she has, there's texts of him, of her begging for butt sex.

01:17:43.000 And her allegation was that he anally raped her.

01:17:46.000 That's not a strong case.

01:17:48.000 Especially when you're flirting with him after the fact.

01:17:50.000 To which, by the way, she goes, there's no perfect victims.

01:17:54.000 Oh yeah, you were flirting with him because you were scared he was going to beat you up.

01:17:56.000 Is that why you were inviting him to parties?

01:17:59.000 No, she clearly made up this story because she was mad about getting dumped and she trivialized all the other rapes for that.

01:18:04.000 And we should have known that when she said, I was going to go to the police, but they made me feel unsafe.

01:18:09.000 So I'm just going to sue the school, make this about Title IX, and drag a mattress around.

01:18:14.000 Thereby trivializing my friend who was stabbed so hard she fainted and had to take AIDS medication on the off chance she had been raped against her will.

01:18:25.000 Not that anyone gets raped with their will.

01:18:30.000 So, we have the Magna Carta.

01:18:32.000 We have a long history of trial and error with these kind of cases.

01:18:37.000 And I'm starting to see something different when I see all this.

01:18:41.000 When I see everything from the guilty, the Weinstein, the Cosby, the Toback, the Ailes, to the innocent, to the four-year-old boy in Texas, in Waco, Texas, who was punished with an in-school suspension for, uh, because a teacher accused him of sexual harassment.

01:18:57.000 A four-year-old!

01:19:00.000 To John Solosky in the University of Georgia, to my friends, Kumia Hartman, Charney Richardson, Paul Nungesser, who sued Mattress Girl, George Bush Sr., Casey Affleck.

01:19:12.000 All of these cases have a common thread here.

01:19:15.000 And that thread is, when we stray from the law that we've all worked on together,

01:19:19.000 We've all democratically come up with these parameters based on the Magna Carta.

01:19:25.000 The backbone of our civilized society is based on these laws we came up with together.

01:19:30.000 When you abandon that and you say, no, I'm going to go with mob rule, rumor, kangaroo courts, I'm going to go back to the days of the primitives, the savages, pre-pagan basically, I'm going to go back to cave people and just do mob rules.

01:19:46.000 Well, when you go back to that,

01:19:49.000 We're good to go.

01:20:06.000 I no longer accept this.

01:20:08.000 As a feminist who loves women, I want people calling the cops.

01:20:12.000 I want women calling the cops.

01:20:14.000 I don't want any more settlements.

01:20:16.000 I don't want any more HR.

01:20:17.000 I don't want any more rumors.

01:20:20.000 We have a process for this.

01:20:22.000 If something terrible happens to you, dial 9-1-1 and handle it.

01:20:29.000 I like you more than a friend.

01:20:31.000 And to those of you who would like to get away with raping women and writing checks, I'd like you to stop doing that and also, while you're at it, get off my lawn.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - October 27, 2017

Get Off My Lawn Podcast #5 | I Was Raped

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