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00:01:01.000You know, we drink beer together quite often when you're around.
00:01:05.000You weren't around much in my childhood and it's nice to have you here for a change.
00:01:09.000Catch up on all those years you were gallivanting around selling shower curtain rings.
00:01:16.000And then you think, well let's record some of this, because this is just so scintillating, but inevitably it never turns out, and it's never as fun when you take it from the pub to the microphone.
00:01:34.000And, uh, you know, I was, I think a lot about your upbringing, and especially as a father, you, you sort of go over everything you know from your dad again.
00:01:43.000It's, it's like you, you rewatch the movie with a different context.
00:01:47.000And I'm thinking about your education.
00:01:50.000And how, you know, today in the West, and I include Europe and North America, it's everyone needs an education.
00:03:13.000Social science studies, political science, you know, and they're not, you know, political science and social science, they're not sciences.
00:03:22.000Remember I took that class at Carleton University, Philosophy of Science?
00:03:27.000Oh yes, I remember that and I read the textbook and I phoned up your dean in the science department
00:03:36.000And I was telling him, you know, this textbook is absolute nonsense.
00:03:39.000So he says, OK, read me a few passages out of it.
00:03:44.000So I read out some passages over the phone and he says, oh yes, yes, that's a problem.
00:03:51.000You've got to remember, you're talking to the Flat Earth Society.
00:03:56.000That story shocks me too, because there's the Dean conceding that an entire department of his school is a complete write-off that there's no arguing with.
00:04:11.000And where I think the education system has also failed,
00:04:17.000is in there because of, I think, flower power children.
00:04:23.000When they eventually went on to education and went into things like a journalism school, you know, they now have kids coming out of a journalist school with no clue what journalism is.
00:04:40.000Yeah, and they also became professors and teachers and then taught our kids and us that Che Guevara is cool and that Marx was a genius.
00:04:49.000Oh yes, and you get all this nonsense about, look at what's happening in South America.
00:08:24.000In America, you do sort of have old money.
00:08:26.000They'll have, my kid goes to Harvard as a bumper sticker, but they don't really posture the way that the Brits do trying to get up the ladder.
00:10:01.000But there was sort of a strange classism in Scotland, where if you were a student, it's the worst thing you could possibly be.
00:10:08.000And you were poor, but you had a high IQ, so you got scholarships.
00:10:13.000But that meant you had a private school blazer on.
00:10:16.000Oh, but it's terrible, you know, because...
00:10:19.000You know, I had to wear the uniform at all times, going, but what I'd do, I wouldn't wear my cap, because typically people would, boys, other kids would snatch the cap off you and kick it around.
00:12:00.000They're very sensitive about your feelings, those Eastern Europeans, aren't they?
00:12:04.000Well, I don't think he thought very much of me.
00:12:10.000Because I was heavily sedated just before I go in for the operation, and he brought in a paper for me to sign, and he's explaining it.
00:12:21.000He says, well, you see, you may not have enough cartilage in your nose, so we'd like your permission so that we can take out a portion of your bone from your thigh.
00:14:02.000I remember, this is in Glasgow, I was walking back from a dance, you know, near the university, and a policeman started following me, and he obviously had been drinking, and he started to click my heels as I walked
00:14:50.000So, of course, I took off like a bat in hell.
00:14:55.000That's amazing that there's a world where cops want to fight you.
00:14:58.000But again, that cop wanted to fight you because you were a student.
00:15:00.000Yes, because he saw that, you know, you were, you were essentially, you were an elitist, you got all kinds of privileges, and they had to work.
00:15:10.000And as though you weren't going to need to work.
00:15:15.000But you would say, I got a scholarship!
00:15:52.000And actually you got assistance from the government for textbooks.
00:15:57.000So it sounds like it wasn't really a financial thing, it was an IQ thing.
00:16:01.000Very much, that's what I said, it was an elitist thing.
00:16:03.000So why is this cop clicking your heels?
00:16:04.000Oh, well I didn't talk to him about it.
00:16:09.000But the more I hear about this system, the more reasonable it sounds.
00:16:14.000At 14, you basically know if you're smart or not.
00:16:17.000So let's give everyone a test, and if you do badly on this test, you get a trade.
00:16:21.000And I look around at people I know, and my friends' kids, you know, older friends' kids that are
00:16:28.0002030, and I think you have nothing going on.
00:16:31.000If you were a welder or a plumber or you had a trade, you'd have your gang, you'd have your Friday night bowling, you'd have a life, you'd have a culture.
00:16:39.000But instead, you're sitting on your ass, you're playing video games, and your stupid liberal arts degree hasn't benefited you whatsoever.
00:16:47.000In fact, it pulled you out of a whole full life.
00:16:50.000Like, didn't your brothers not do well on the test and they went on to have normal trades?
00:16:55.000Yes, I mean, I think it doesn't make any sense.
00:17:00.000My local bar, where I go, is mostly blue-collar guys, but they're blue-collar guys that own their own plumbing business, or electricians, you know, they're contractual, contract people, you know, they'll work for different organizations under contract.
00:17:25.000But some of them own their own business outright.
00:17:28.000There's people who work in car body shops that own their businesses.
00:17:38.000Everyone seems to have a job that makes
00:17:42.000A contribution of consequence to the economy.
00:18:05.000It's really surprising that it is not as cherished as it should be.
00:18:13.000Well, it's this myth of equality, really, where we're all exactly the same, we all have the exact same skills, and all we have to do is get in a classroom.
00:18:22.000But anyone who's sat with someone in, say, university math, goes, all right, this is not an acquired taste, this is out of my league, goodbye.
00:19:40.000You know, diversity seems to be the major qualification
00:19:45.000Well, you wonder when the free market's gonna kick in.
00:19:47.000You know, I have this friend, Charles Johnson, and every time he sees that a workplace, a corporation, has a diversity initiative, he goes, alright, well, you've clearly just made meritocracy your second priority, and you have a different priority on over-success, I'm gonna bet against you in the stock market, and he's making a killing!
00:20:30.000She was getting hundreds of thousands of dollars as VP of Diversity.
00:20:35.000There's so many jobs where if you took that person away, the world wouldn't just be different, I mean exactly the same, it would be better off.
00:21:54.000Yeah, I think what's happening to a lot of young men now is all this meddling has made them sort of not want to get involved in anything and they just stay at home and masturbate to pornography and they've sort of given up on life.
00:22:05.000And I'm meeting these interns where they're 24-year-old virgins and there's no stigma there.
00:24:17.000And I remember one day I was lying in bed, and so the bell started to chime.
00:24:25.000And it got to about ten chimes, and I'm saying, oh for goodness sake, I'm going to miss all these classes, but maybe I can get to class by eleven.
00:24:37.000Then another chime, and I'm saying, oh God, that means that at least I can go to a lab at one o'clock.
00:29:14.000But no, we did, our computers did everything.
00:29:17.000They did salaries, they did financial, they did mathematical computations.
00:29:24.000So it's not, I don't think there's anything, we didn't have things that you have today, but we had the basics.
00:29:34.000And as far as I'm concerned, I think the computers today, although they've got obviously very, very significantly smaller, I don't think the architecture has changed dramatically.
00:29:49.000Okay, well yeah, I guess they still have motherboards, they still look like those microchips if you were to bust them open and look inside.
00:29:56.000Yes, well we still have, you know, we've got arithmetic units, we've got memory, we've got, you know, processors.
00:30:42.000Glasgow to Greece, actually to the Greek islands.
00:30:47.000We did take a train from Vienna to Athens, but other than that we hitchhiked.
00:30:52.000Tell that story about the train getting stuck, because I think it's indicative of an important lesson there.
00:30:59.000Well, what happened was the railway workers went on strike, and we were in northern Greece at the time, so we were wondering what to do.
00:31:13.000In the particular carriage I was in, it was mostly students.
00:31:18.000Wait, they went on strike as the train was on the tracks?
00:31:21.000Well, during the trip, you know, it was a long trip, so the train got to one, it got into Greece, and then that was the strike was in Greece.
00:32:07.000So how big was this homosexual man you were holding onto the edge of?
00:32:12.000So, as I'm hanging on to this ferry, a ferry with the E-R-R-Y, the Greek passengers pointed me out to the conductor, so he could get my fare.
00:32:32.000I've been telling that story all wrong for decades.
00:32:36.000I thought it was the train stopped in the middle of rural Greece, no one knew why and so they thought we can stay here and swelter in this car because you were jumping the train or we could go out and just explore and you went out and you found an oasis with a lake and all this fun and everyone had a great time skinny dipping and then you all went back and as soon as you got back on the train it pulled out.
00:34:38.000Well, you see that with the Rhodes and stuff.
00:34:40.000They all have McAdams and McClure names.
00:34:43.000That's Scots, but it seems like the Canadians, they love to talk about diversity.
00:34:48.000They tend to trivialize the fact that this influx of Brits in the early 70s kind of shaped the entire country.
00:34:56.000Oh, and it was shaped long before that.
00:35:02.000Scots made a tremendous contribution to Canada in terms of obviously the fur trade, the Hudson Bay Company and what have you, and indeed universities and banks.
00:39:35.000And of course, the only way you can copy that, if you have a good enough ear to, you know, see the various intonations within all the harmonics and what have you, within the sound.
00:39:50.000But if you have, if you're tone deaf, which I am,
00:39:56.000It's very, very difficult to copy these accents.
00:40:00.000So, after spending, you know, the first 20 years of my life, or first 25, 22 years of my life, developing this Glasgow accent,
00:41:28.000Yeah, they sort of kill all the consonants.
00:41:30.000Puerto Ricans do this when they speak English too, and they say,
00:41:33.000I feel like a lot of Glaswegians talk as though they have a fist in their mouth.
00:41:47.000You know what I've noticed, too, about Goswegians?
00:41:50.000They have this worship of the underdog that is an obsession, and it trumps logic, it trumps everything else.
00:41:59.000They love Palestinians because they see them as an underdog.
00:42:04.000Now, Palestinians using children as terrorists, bombing people, murdering Israelis, that's unfortunate.
00:42:10.000But they, they still, you have, you've got, I think it's Celtics?
00:42:14.000I can't remember what soccer team it is, that wears kafayas, just because they, they, they go with the underdog.
00:42:19.000Or when I bring, brought Emily, my American Indian wife, to, to Strachan, my uncle's pub, he says, one of the guys says, ironically, he's pretending, I mean, he's trying to be as un-racist as possible.
00:42:30.000He goes, can I ask you, what's with your eyes there?
00:45:20.000Now, Dr. Drew said this, and I thought it was very profound.
00:45:23.000He said, the reason Scots have a predilection to booze is they were under siege for 700 years, and the ones that don't enjoy conflict are extinct.
00:45:34.000The ones that prevailed tend to enjoy conflict.
00:45:37.000And what is booze but giving yourself a handicap and turning walking downstairs into a battle?
00:45:44.000And the next thing you know, your life is a war.
00:46:09.000I mean, I hope there's something unique about all cultures that make them a culture.
00:46:15.000You know, if you didn't have something unique, how would you identify yourself?
00:46:21.000Well, yeah, I don't understand how... You know, with just some kind of amorphous, you know, nothing that you could actually point to and say, well, that defines who we are.
00:46:32.000If you're not in a position to define who you are, then you don't have a culture.
00:46:38.000Yeah, well, it's okay for gay pride parades or anything else, but Westerners aren't allowed to be proud of their accomplishments.
00:46:45.000Well, but, you know, homosexuals, that's not a culture.
00:48:01.000And of course, I was working in an engineering environment, and I didn't see any real difference between this group of engineers and the group I worked with.
00:48:28.000Well, I thought the story was you met, you became middle class pretty quickly, and you noticed that the middle class don't drink as hard as the blue collars, so you went to a bowling night.
00:48:42.000In England, that's where I felt there was
00:48:44.000A substantial difference between the cultures that I was exposed to, the culture I was exposed to in Glasgow, and the culture that I met in England.
00:48:56.000You know, in Glasgow, it was very common, you know, you go into a bar, and you might start talking to the chap next to you.
00:49:32.000I don't remember seeing someone drunk in a bar in England.
00:49:39.000You know, I noticed that about Fox News.
00:49:41.000You'd go to the pub across the street from Fox, and you'd never see any co-workers there before 8 or 9, and it was only after they were done their shows.
00:49:51.000God forbid they would have some beers before their shows.
00:49:56.000uh when we were shooting up there you'd go out to the pub at say 12 30 p.m and the place would be replete with rebel cameramen anchors everyone and then when everyone was done at six oh my god we had an entire wing and i couldn't help but think this is canada
00:50:15.000Taking on Scottish traditions, in a sense.
00:50:17.000Like, at the airport, you go to an American airport, and there's no one really drinking at noon, one, two, but you go to a Glaswegian airport, at 11am they're bringing their wine glasses to the gate, which is allowed because it's so common, and it's the same with Canada.
00:50:33.000Every Canadian airport, the bar is full at noon, but not in America.
00:52:21.000Well, I think what happened in Canada is you went, maybe you gave up on them immediately, and you ended up with all the technicians at the computer company.
00:53:24.000And the other one is a carpenter of sorts.
00:53:27.000Well, that analogy is really a really poor analogy.
00:53:34.000So, because I grew up in the slums, basically the gorbals of Ottawa, but it was because you would drive me out to these poor technicians' homes, and I would hang out in trailer parks because you wanted to drink with their dads.
00:53:49.000So I had a very blue-collar life, even though we had a beautiful home with a pool, and I had everything I wanted, except the bionic man, of course.
00:53:56.000You got me Oscar fucking Goldman, his boss.
00:54:01.000Well, I wanted you to get into the management side of things.
00:54:09.000I like how mom says, that Oscar Goldman is probably worth a fortune now.
00:54:35.000This is the 80s and they had feathered hair and lumberjack jackets and skinny jeans and we'd buy them cigarettes and they'd give us kisses in exchange.
00:54:42.000I mean, it was a much more fun childhood than what was going on in the middle-class suburbs.
00:54:51.000Although I have to admit, when we were riding in the van of some of these parents and the pot smoke was wafting back, my little seven-year-old lungs would get nauseous from the smoke.
00:56:11.000So how, I'm sorry I'm getting texts from Emily here, so if you could go back and change anything out of these various exedi, I don't know what the plural of exodus is, these various pilgrimages, would you change anything from 1950 to now?
00:56:32.000Yes, I think what I would do is I would have immigrated to Australia.
00:57:07.000I think he was a part-time drama teacher and a snowboard instructor, which is just exactly the kind of experiences you need to head up a country.
00:57:21.000To run the second largest country in the world as far as landmass goes.
00:57:25.000Yeah, so we've got that, and we've got Kathleen Wynne, who is the Premier of Ontario, in my province, and she believes that man-made global warming is the greatest threat to the Earth.
00:57:44.000And we now have, we have now signed this Paris Accord that for us to meet the Paris Accord will cost tens of billions of dollars.
00:58:14.000No matter what Canada does, no matter what Canada does, it will have zero effect.
00:58:20.000So, to me, I think Trump, you know, for all his frailties, got the most, the key elements right.
00:58:31.000He got man-made global warming right, withdrawing from this nonsensical Paris Agreement.
00:58:39.000It's ridiculous that unless China and India and America do something, even if it was true that man-made global warming was a concern, nothing's going to happen.
00:58:55.000And you can't try and hold India back.
01:01:03.000against these mosques which preach this nonsense, you know, and you have to take action against what's on the internet which supports all this nonsense.
01:01:15.000So you have to do something, and you have to do many things, you know, and so unless you're doing whatever you can, you're not doing enough.
01:01:25.000So Canada has got this 35,000 Muslims, they've got global warming, and Justin Trudeau is welcoming everyone to come to Canada.
01:01:37.000So we have, you know, thousands of Haitians crossing from the U.S.
01:02:40.000Oh, the Ezra Levant was telling me about these women describing their ordeals and after the first hundred rapes, they just lie there begging for drone strikes to take them out because they'd love to die.
01:05:08.000And I just applied to jobs that I saw, and the first two jobs I saw, there was a job with Philips in Holland, and a job with another company in Canada.
01:05:22.000And I applied for both jobs, and the company in Canada came through first.
01:06:07.000I thought it was funny because I talked to the technical people in the morning and then the personnel manager took me to, for lunch, into the Phillips dining area.
01:06:18.000And of course it was a normal Dutch meal where it's cold meats and what have you.
01:08:22.000Yeah, it's funny how the Scots have that fake parliament and they're still talking about separating and you think it just sort of seems like a rich kid whose dad gives him a fake job at his corporation to make him feel good and he just goes around and pushes numbers around at a desk.
01:08:38.000Well, I think we see this a lot in these various local governments wanting to separate.
01:08:47.000And what it is, is politicians, they'd rather be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.
01:08:59.000And of course, Quebec is in the same position as Scotland.
01:09:04.000They can't survive without their parent.
01:09:09.000You know, the kids in the parents' basement.
01:09:14.000Yeah, it's a spoiled brat saying, and this is so true of American liberals and the liberal movement in general, is it's these spoiled brats saying to their daddy, I hate it here, running upstairs and slamming their bedroom door as loud as they can because they're mad, yet they're still in his house and they're old enough to move out.
01:09:32.000That's why I had you on the show today, because this show is trying to bring back the patriarch and take the stigma out of being a dad.
01:09:40.000But I feel like you may have accidentally set us back in time.
01:09:44.000Quite a bit, by just being so profoundly unlikable.