Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Get Off My Lawn Podcast #6 | Good Day and Welcome

00:00:00.000 Good day and welcome back!

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00:00:25.000 Today is the first day we're going to have a very special guest.

00:00:30.000 And that is my own patriarch, Mr. Jimmy McInnes.

00:00:39.000 James, are you there, my boy?

00:00:42.000 I'm here, Gavin.

00:00:44.000 Now, you're meant to face the microphone, if you would.

00:00:48.000 It vastly improves the audio quality.

00:00:53.000 Got it.

00:00:56.000 So, Dad, welcome to the show.

00:00:59.000 It's a pleasure to have you aboard.

00:01:01.000 You know, we drink beer together quite often when you're around.

00:01:05.000 You weren't around much in my childhood and it's nice to have you here for a change.

00:01:09.000 Catch up on all those years you were gallivanting around selling shower curtain rings.

00:01:16.000 And then you think, well let's record some of this, because this is just so scintillating, but inevitably it never turns out, and it's never as fun when you take it from the pub to the microphone.

00:01:28.000 True.

00:01:30.000 Um, so let's just stick to what we know.

00:01:32.000 Write what you know.

00:01:34.000 And, uh, you know, I was, I think a lot about your upbringing, and especially as a father, you, you sort of go over everything you know from your dad again.

00:01:43.000 It's, it's like you, you rewatch the movie with a different context.

00:01:47.000 And I'm thinking about your education.

00:01:50.000 And how, you know, today in the West, and I include Europe and North America, it's everyone needs an education.

00:01:57.000 That's so important.

00:01:59.000 We should don't learn welding, don't learn a trade, go and get a liberal arts degree.

00:02:04.000 Whereas when you were a kid, it was everyone should have the opportunity to be educated.

00:02:09.000 But if you're not smart, don't bother.

00:02:11.000 Well, I think that's true from when I went to university.

00:02:18.000 Something like 4% of high school kids carried on to university.

00:02:24.000 Sorry, Dad.

00:02:25.000 Interrupt.

00:02:25.000 Can you bring the mic closer to your face?

00:02:30.000 I'll move my chair.

00:02:31.000 There we go.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, sorry.

00:02:32.000 So, as I was saying, when I went to university, only 4% of high school kids went on to university.

00:02:40.000 You know, Scotland had a very elitist education system.

00:02:45.000 You know, that really believed in equal opportunity, but now it's moved from equal opportunity to equal outcome.

00:02:54.000 So now, as you say, you've got, I think, something like maybe 40 or 50 percent of high school kids carry on for further education.

00:03:02.000 Well, a lot of the courses are just basically silly.

00:03:07.000 You know, women's studies, 0.81

00:03:13.000 Social science studies, political science, you know, and they're not, you know, political science and social science, they're not sciences.

00:03:22.000 Remember I took that class at Carleton University, Philosophy of Science?

00:03:27.000 Oh yes, I remember that and I read the textbook and I phoned up your dean in the science department

00:03:36.000 And I was telling him, you know, this textbook is absolute nonsense.

00:03:39.000 So he says, OK, read me a few passages out of it.

00:03:44.000 So I read out some passages over the phone and he says, oh yes, yes, that's a problem.

00:03:51.000 You've got to remember, you're talking to the Flat Earth Society.

00:03:56.000 That story shocks me too, because there's the Dean conceding that an entire department of his school is a complete write-off that there's no arguing with.

00:04:06.000 Sorry, that's already done.

00:04:07.000 It's like a post-apocalyptic school.

00:04:10.000 Exactly, you know.

00:04:11.000 And where I think the education system has also failed,

00:04:17.000 is in there because of, I think, flower power children. 0.63

00:04:23.000 When they eventually went on to education and went into things like a journalism school, you know, they now have kids coming out of a journalist school with no clue what journalism is.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, and they also became professors and teachers and then taught our kids and us that Che Guevara is cool and that Marx was a genius.

00:04:49.000 Oh yes, and you get all this nonsense about, look at what's happening in South America.

00:04:55.000 It's terrible.

00:04:57.000 Chavez was ruined, ruined his country.

00:05:02.000 And of course we have our Prime Minister who thought Chavez was wonderful.

00:05:06.000 Now just to not confuse the folks at home, this is a Scotsman who moved to England and then to Canada.

00:05:12.000 So when he says we, he means we as a Canadian.

00:05:16.000 Yes, indeed.

00:05:17.000 In fact, you know, it's kind of interesting.

00:05:21.000 I moved to England when I was about 22, 23, just graduated, and I found a culture shock moving from Scotland to England.

00:05:32.000 A greater culture shock than moving from England to Canada.

00:05:37.000 Well, Canada's really just a colder Scotland in many ways.

00:05:41.000 Well, no, no, I think it's a colder England.

00:05:45.000 I think what's in terms of the differences here, you know, Scotland was, well, perhaps it's not fair to talk about Scotland.

00:05:54.000 I came from Glasgow, and I think perhaps Glasgow has quite a different culture from the rest of Scotland.

00:06:01.000 See Glasgow, that's the city of culture by the way!

00:06:05.000 Well, I mean that's just absolute nonsense.

00:06:07.000 It's, well, Glasgow at one point was, you know, quite an incredible city.

00:06:14.000 But of course, when it's lost its shipbuilding, and when it lost its heavy industry, it very soon became an economic backwater.

00:06:22.000 Right.

00:06:23.000 And so the rates of unemployment amongst the youth in, and certainly Clydebank, the Glasgow area, is frightening.

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 It's a forgotten... It's like Detroit in many ways.

00:06:36.000 It's just violent teenagers on welfare who want to stab you and make babies. 0.99

00:06:41.000 Oh, yes. 0.99

00:06:42.000 It's terrible.

00:06:43.000 I had a cousin who was a teacher, and she was teaching recreology.

00:06:53.000 And I said, what?

00:06:56.000 Recreology?

00:06:57.000 You're teaching... What's that?

00:06:59.000 She says, well, a lot of the children

00:07:01.000 We'll never have a job.

00:07:04.000 We have to teach them what they can do with the spare time that they have.

00:07:08.000 Oh my god.

00:07:09.000 So they teach them how to enjoy yourself.

00:07:14.000 Like how to play Monopoly and shuffleboard.

00:07:16.000 I mean I don't know the exact courses but that's what the course was called.

00:07:20.000 Recreology.

00:07:22.000 Remember when we were in Cuba or somewhere like that and you were at a bar and you said 1.00

00:07:28.000 Or I can't remember if it was Glaswegian or Scots, but he said, Glaswegians are stupid, ugly, and violent. 1.00

00:07:35.000 And then some hideous woman, who was Scottish, screams at you, you see you, you stupid man, I'll murder you so I will! 1.00

00:07:44.000 And you said, you just proved my point. 1.00

00:07:46.000 Yeah, well, let's say, I mean, I just, I say these things just to rile people.

00:07:54.000 Oh, that sounds familiar.

00:07:58.000 But you two became best friends.

00:08:00.000 Well, we certainly, I'm not sure about best friends, but she eventually got the joke.

00:08:06.000 Right.

00:08:08.000 Well, it's funny because the class system in England is bizarre, and it's very unique.

00:08:14.000 I mean, I'm sure they have it in India, but India is just mimicking England. 1.00

00:08:17.000 You don't really see that in Canada.

00:08:19.000 You see, you know, Stephen Harper seems to sound like the plumber.

00:08:22.000 The accents are similar.

00:08:24.000 In America, you do sort of have old money.

00:08:26.000 They'll have, my kid goes to Harvard as a bumper sticker, but they don't really posture the way that the Brits do trying to get up the ladder. 0.80

00:08:33.000 It was ludicrous.

00:08:35.000 And of course, the thing that determines your class is your accent.

00:08:41.000 And the accent was incredibly important.

00:08:45.000 I lived in a little village in Buckinghamshire, and I lived on a lane, and there was four homes on the lane.

00:08:56.000 And I was right at the end of the lane, and my house was next to an orchard, so I would pass up and down everybody's home.

00:09:04.000 I got to know my immediate neighbor and played golf with him on a regular basis.

00:09:09.000 You sound like such a ponce right now. 0.98

00:09:10.000 You sound like an aristocrat.

00:09:12.000 Well, believe me, my background is not aristocratic.

00:09:19.000 But however, so I was talking to one day and he mentioned the name of the other neighbor.

00:09:24.000 I said, oh yes, yes, I know him.

00:09:26.000 Talked to him a few times.

00:09:27.000 He says, well, you know, we really worry about him.

00:09:32.000 Have you heard his accent?

00:09:34.000 It's East London accent, you know?

00:09:38.000 That'll cause the home prices here to go down. 0.92

00:09:42.000 Oh my god, it's like the black of accents.

00:09:45.000 So I said to him, now wait a minute, I've got a Scottish accent.

00:09:49.000 You know, where does that put me?

00:09:51.000 He says, oh well, with a Scottish accent you really never know, so we just ignore it.

00:09:57.000 It's off the books.

00:09:57.000 Yes, I guess it's beyond the pale.

00:10:01.000 But there was sort of a strange classism in Scotland, where if you were a student, it's the worst thing you could possibly be.

00:10:08.000 And you were poor, but you had a high IQ, so you got scholarships.

00:10:13.000 But that meant you had a private school blazer on.

00:10:16.000 Oh, but it's terrible, you know, because...

00:10:19.000 You know, I had to wear the uniform at all times, going, but what I'd do, I wouldn't wear my cap, because typically people would, boys, other kids would snatch the cap off you and kick it around.

00:10:31.000 Right.

00:10:32.000 So I had to hide my cap.

00:10:33.000 But I was getting into an awful lot of fights as kids, you know, mocking me for wearing a school uniform.

00:10:43.000 Yeah, I used to get a school uniform as a Christmas present.

00:10:49.000 But I never had, you know, when my mother would buy me a uniform that would be like two sizes too big.

00:10:57.000 And she'd say, oh you'll grow into it.

00:11:00.000 So, by the time I grew into it, the uniform was in tatters.

00:11:06.000 So with the choice, a brand new uniform that didn't fit me, or a uniform in tatters that did.

00:11:13.000 Well, you know, physically you can see it when you just look at you.

00:11:17.000 Your feet are disgusting because you were wearing shoes that were too small your whole life.

00:11:21.000 So your toes are mangled like some sort of Chinese foot binding. 0.96

00:11:24.000 And then your nose is just like a flat triangle.

00:11:27.000 You look like a jack-o'-lantern because it's been broken so many times.

00:11:32.000 Ah, yes.

00:11:32.000 I got my nose operated on in Canada.

00:11:36.000 It was an Eastern European doctor with quite a heavy accent.

00:11:41.000 And if he said it once, he said it three or four times, if not more.

00:11:47.000 He says, you have a grossly deformed nose.

00:11:53.000 OK, I mean, I get the message.

00:11:54.000 No, no, it's a grossly deformed nose.

00:12:00.000 They're very sensitive about your feelings, those Eastern Europeans, aren't they?

00:12:04.000 Well, I don't think he thought very much of me.

00:12:10.000 Because I was heavily sedated just before I go in for the operation, and he brought in a paper for me to sign, and he's explaining it.

00:12:21.000 He says, well, you see, you may not have enough cartilage in your nose, so we'd like your permission so that we can take out a portion of your bone from your thigh.

00:12:34.000 I said to him, look,

00:12:39.000 I came in here with a grossly deformed nose.

00:12:43.000 I'm not leaving with a grossly deformed thigh.

00:12:47.000 Yeah, where did you get it in your head that I wanted to be gorgeous?

00:12:52.000 For what purpose?

00:12:53.000 Yeah, you know, but I must say that I do worry about that.

00:12:57.000 I remember I was telling my next door neighbor, not next door, but one of my neighbors,

00:13:03.000 She was a lesbian, you know, and I guess we had a... I don't think she particularly liked me at all, but stop and say hi.

00:13:15.000 So one day I was out, you know, in my driveway doing whatever and she stopped to say hello.

00:13:22.000 She said, how are you Jim?

00:13:23.000 I said, well, to be honest with you, I'm very concerned.

00:13:29.000 I'm concerned that I may lose my looks before I lose my mind.

00:13:34.000 And she says, Jim, you don't have to worry.

00:13:37.000 I want to get back to the student thing.

00:13:44.000 Why are these Glaswegian kids in the slums beating up students? 1.00

00:13:50.000 Why is student the worst thing you could be called in 50s Glasgow?

00:13:56.000 I'm not sure.

00:13:57.000 I'm not sure.

00:13:58.000 They were seen as very privileged.

00:14:02.000 I remember, this is in Glasgow, I was walking back from a dance, you know, near the university, and a policeman started following me, and he obviously had been drinking, and he started to click my heels as I walked

00:14:25.000 Oh yeah, I remember this.

00:14:45.000 We'll sort it out.

00:14:46.000 He says, right on.

00:14:48.000 And he started to walk up the lane.

00:14:50.000 So, of course, I took off like a bat in hell.

00:14:55.000 That's amazing that there's a world where cops want to fight you.

00:14:58.000 But again, that cop wanted to fight you because you were a student.

00:15:00.000 Yes, because he saw that, you know, you were, you were essentially, you were an elitist, you got all kinds of privileges, and they had to work.

00:15:10.000 And as though you weren't going to need to work.

00:15:15.000 But you would say, I got a scholarship!

00:15:17.000 I'm not one of them!

00:15:19.000 Well, I don't know.

00:15:20.000 Well, you've got to remember that there's only 4% at that time.

00:15:25.000 There was only 4% of us going on.

00:15:28.000 So I guess within that 4%, only a fraction of 1% were the ones who got scholarships and weren't rich.

00:15:33.000 Oh, I'm not sure about that.

00:15:36.000 Education was, if you went to public schools,

00:15:40.000 Which means private schools.

00:15:41.000 No, no, well I meant by non-private schools.

00:15:45.000 Okay.

00:15:45.000 Education was free.

00:15:48.000 Right through university, education was free.

00:15:48.000 Right, of course.

00:15:51.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:15:52.000 And actually you got assistance from the government for textbooks.

00:15:57.000 So it sounds like it wasn't really a financial thing, it was an IQ thing.

00:16:01.000 Very much, that's what I said, it was an elitist thing.

00:16:03.000 So why is this cop clicking your heels?

00:16:04.000 Oh, well I didn't talk to him about it.

00:16:09.000 But the more I hear about this system, the more reasonable it sounds.

00:16:14.000 At 14, you basically know if you're smart or not.

00:16:17.000 So let's give everyone a test, and if you do badly on this test, you get a trade.

00:16:21.000 And I look around at people I know, and my friends' kids, you know, older friends' kids that are

00:16:28.000 2030, and I think you have nothing going on.

00:16:31.000 If you were a welder or a plumber or you had a trade, you'd have your gang, you'd have your Friday night bowling, you'd have a life, you'd have a culture. 1.00

00:16:39.000 But instead, you're sitting on your ass, you're playing video games, and your stupid liberal arts degree hasn't benefited you whatsoever. 1.00

00:16:47.000 In fact, it pulled you out of a whole full life. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Like, didn't your brothers not do well on the test and they went on to have normal trades?

00:16:55.000 Yes, I mean, I think it doesn't make any sense.

00:17:00.000 My local bar, where I go, is mostly blue-collar guys, but they're blue-collar guys that own their own plumbing business, or electricians, you know, they're contractual, contract people, you know, they'll work for different organizations under contract.

00:17:25.000 But some of them own their own business outright.

00:17:28.000 There's people who work in car body shops that own their businesses.

00:17:38.000 Everyone seems to have a job that makes

00:17:42.000 A contribution of consequence to the economy.

00:17:46.000 Right.

00:17:47.000 So that's why it was a better system.

00:17:49.000 And as you say, yeah, the blue collars are almost upper middle class in New York.

00:17:53.000 Remember Tommy, the electrician?

00:17:54.000 Oh, yes.

00:17:55.000 He's making $120 a year on a good year.

00:17:58.000 Now, a lot of lawyers, they don't get up to those kind of numbers until they're doing it for decades.

00:18:03.000 Yes.

00:18:04.000 You know what?

00:18:05.000 It's really surprising that it is not as cherished as it should be.

00:18:13.000 Well, it's this myth of equality, really, where we're all exactly the same, we all have the exact same skills, and all we have to do is get in a classroom.

00:18:22.000 But anyone who's sat with someone in, say, university math, goes, all right, this is not an acquired taste, this is out of my league, goodbye.

00:18:32.000 It's like the MLB.

00:18:33.000 Well, I know that.

00:18:34.000 I had a math professor at university who actually said to us,

00:18:40.000 You know, some of you will find this very difficult, and I'm not surprised.

00:18:46.000 It's a very difficult subject.

00:18:49.000 Well, what's the matter with that?

00:18:50.000 I mean, I like the old days where you would beat up a student.

00:18:54.000 Now I'm on their side. 0.99

00:18:55.000 You'd be a nerd. 0.99

00:18:56.000 Let's go beat up some nerds. 1.00

00:18:57.000 Even in the 70s, even the 80s, it wasn't necessarily cool to have an IQ.

00:19:02.000 It was cool to talk like a New Yorker who's Italian and has a leather jacket on and gives nerds a noogie. 0.99

00:19:09.000 And then in the 90s, all of a sudden everyone had to be an academic.

00:19:13.000 And so you have to lower the bar.

00:19:15.000 It's just like the Marines or FDNY.

00:19:17.000 Fire Department.

00:19:18.000 If everyone's coming in, all right, well then you no longer have to do 50 pull-ups and carry a pack on your back.

00:19:24.000 Now you can just carry a sandwich bag on your back and do half a pull-up.

00:19:28.000 Well, it's not, it's no longer so important that you can meet any of these standards.

00:19:33.000 What is important is that you constitute something that would make it diverse.

00:19:39.000 Right.

00:19:40.000 You know, diversity seems to be the major qualification

00:19:45.000 Well, you wonder when the free market's gonna kick in.

00:19:47.000 You know, I have this friend, Charles Johnson, and every time he sees that a workplace, a corporation, has a diversity initiative, he goes, alright, well, you've clearly just made meritocracy your second priority, and you have a different priority on over-success, I'm gonna bet against you in the stock market, and he's making a killing!

00:20:05.000 Well, yes.

00:20:07.000 What's Obama's wife? 1.00

00:20:10.000 Michelle.

00:20:11.000 I thought Michelle Obama was a VP of diversity in some hospital organization.

00:20:19.000 Right.

00:20:20.000 But when she left, when Barack became president,

00:20:25.000 They never replaced her.

00:20:29.000 So many jobs!

00:20:30.000 She was getting hundreds of thousands of dollars as VP of Diversity.

00:20:35.000 There's so many jobs where if you took that person away, the world wouldn't just be different, I mean exactly the same, it would be better off.

00:20:43.000 You look at all these HR departments. 0.95

00:20:44.000 Remember when you got in trouble for making a penis joke? 0.94

00:20:47.000 I talked about this on my other 0.98

00:20:49.000 Well, it's strange. 0.82

00:20:50.000 The whole business of sexual harassment has become ludicrous.

00:21:08.000 You know, everybody seems to, everybody wants to be somewhat to complain about sexual harassment. 0.50

00:21:17.000 I don't think you can make a pass at a woman now without being accused of sexual harassment.

00:21:23.000 So I don't know how you can get together.

00:21:27.000 Maybe the only way is one of these dating

00:21:31.000 Well, it's an unfashionable time to be saying that, but it's true that there's a lot of them are just total BS.

00:21:39.000 A lot of them are real too, but I don't know.

00:21:42.000 With the Hollywood thing, you think, just we talked about this on another podcast, just call the cops.

00:21:46.000 If you're looking for a way to differentiate between fake allegations and real allegations, we have that.

00:21:50.000 We've had it since the Magna Carta.

00:21:52.000 It's called the law, but

00:21:54.000 Yeah, I think what's happening to a lot of young men now is all this meddling has made them sort of not want to get involved in anything and they just stay at home and masturbate to pornography and they've sort of given up on life.

00:22:05.000 And I'm meeting these interns where they're 24-year-old virgins and there's no stigma there. 0.64

00:22:10.000 They're not particularly embarrassed.

00:22:12.000 And I haven't heard of a virgin that old, well, since you.

00:22:17.000 Well, you know, to be fair,

00:22:19.000 I tried desperately to give away my virginity.

00:22:23.000 You know, didn't have much success.

00:22:25.000 It was marked half off.

00:22:27.000 It was in the clearance bin.

00:22:29.000 You could have it free.

00:22:32.000 I'll even pay you to take it away.

00:22:38.000 No, I think it's, as I say, obviously there's a lot of it real.

00:22:45.000 A lot of it real.

00:22:46.000 But I do think you've got to be able to differentiate between what is a pass and what is harassment.

00:22:54.000 I mean, obviously if you continue to make unwanted passes, that's harassment.

00:23:01.000 Right.

00:23:03.000 Well, it's harassment if you're ugly, it's courting if you're handsome. 0.83

00:23:06.000 Yes, but I mean, I was brought up in the day where, you know, the joke was, if a lady says no, she means maybe.

00:23:18.000 If she says maybe, she means yes.

00:23:22.000 If she says yes, she's no lady. 0.96

00:23:24.000 Yeah, we always said no doesn't mean no.

00:23:30.000 Three no's means no.

00:23:33.000 So, you get a pretty good education and you're living in Glasgow.

00:23:39.000 You got a degree in physics or something from Glasgow U?

00:23:42.000 Yes.

00:23:42.000 Which, wait a minute, you were partying so much that you went to do your final exams and it looked like it was written in Chinese.

00:23:51.000 Well, that's not true.

00:23:53.000 That's not true.

00:23:54.000 I went and I realized that I really hadn't gone to enough classes.

00:24:02.000 I mean, I lived in a bedsitter near the University, and I would listen to the... I didn't have a watch, but a clock.

00:24:12.000 I just listened to the University chiming.

00:24:15.000 The bells.

00:24:16.000 The bells.

00:24:17.000 And I remember one day I was lying in bed, and so the bell started to chime.

00:24:25.000 And it got to about ten chimes, and I'm saying, oh for goodness sake, I'm going to miss all these classes, but maybe I can get to class by eleven.

00:24:37.000 Then another chime, and I'm saying, oh God, that means that at least I can go to a lab at one o'clock.

00:24:44.000 And it carried on, and then

00:24:48.000 No, no, no.

00:24:49.000 No, I'm sorry.

00:24:50.000 I've got the story wrong.

00:24:51.000 Oh, boo. 1.00

00:24:51.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Great podcast.

00:24:53.000 Great podcast.

00:24:54.000 Sorry about this.

00:24:54.000 Tune in, guys.

00:24:55.000 No, it started, it started the time as one.

00:25:00.000 So, that wasn't a problem.

00:25:02.000 I knew that, you know, it's going to be... I certainly haven't missed any classes yet.

00:25:11.000 Then it got to two, and I said, well, that's okay.

00:25:14.000 It's still all right.

00:25:15.000 Got to three, no problem.

00:25:18.000 Got to 4 and then stopped.

00:25:24.000 So that was the day gone.

00:25:26.000 4pm, done.

00:25:27.000 I had a similar experience.

00:25:29.000 I partied my ass off till the wee hours, woke up, and the clock said seven.

00:25:34.000 And it was dark out, and I thought, oh, shoot, I've missed the entire day.

00:25:37.000 And this is when I ran Vice, so I couldn't get fired, but it was very poor form.

00:25:41.000 So I thought, I'll just work from seven till midnight, work my ass off, and I'll make up for the fact that I missed work.

00:25:47.000 And I had the TV on in the background, and as I'm pummeling away on the keyboard, I noticed that the evening television was very cheery.

00:25:56.000 Very upbeat.

00:25:57.000 And then I noticed that outside it was getting lighter as the night wore on.

00:26:03.000 And I realized I had gotten up at 7 a.m.

00:26:06.000 after two hours sleep and had assumed the day was gone.

00:26:09.000 I had a full day ahead.

00:26:10.000 I was in the wind.

00:26:13.000 That story's much better than yours.

00:26:14.000 Much snappier.

00:26:15.000 I think so.

00:26:16.000 I think so.

00:26:17.000 So what brought you to England from Scotland?

00:26:21.000 Oh, I wanted to go into computer design.

00:26:25.000 And although there was quite a lot of computer manufacturing in Scotland, there was no computer design.

00:26:32.000 So I joined a company called International Computers and Tabulators, and there, we, you know, the engineers, we did actually everything.

00:26:43.000 You know, the same engineer would write software, design hardware, lay out the circuit cards,

00:26:53.000 Lay out the circuit card manually with a pen and rulers and stuff.

00:26:56.000 Yes, we did.

00:26:58.000 Our circuit cards, we had a... There was two layers inside.

00:27:05.000 We had a power layer and a ground layer.

00:27:09.000 Then on the outside, we had the interconnections on either side of the card.

00:27:15.000 So we would draw one side of the connections, we'd draw that in red.

00:27:21.000 And the other side would draw it in green.

00:27:24.000 And of course, the reds should never cross over. 1.00

00:27:29.000 And the greens should never cross over.

00:27:29.000 Right.

00:27:31.000 So it really got to be a bit of a kind of a puzzle trying to make these connections.

00:27:38.000 But you loved it because you were a young man.

00:27:39.000 Were you married to mom at the time?

00:27:41.000 No, I was single at the time.

00:27:43.000 I married quite soon after that.

00:27:47.000 But as I said, we did it all.

00:27:50.000 But that was really interesting.

00:27:53.000 And then, you know, I think the first memory chip, we used core memories.

00:28:01.000 We didn't have solid state memories.

00:28:05.000 So memories were core.

00:28:08.000 I have no idea what you're talking about and haven't for the past five minutes.

00:28:14.000 Well, a core, it's a magnetic core, you know, so it's a wire wound around a metal ring.

00:28:28.000 Okay.

00:28:29.000 And of course as you put the current through it, it magnetizes the core in one direction or the other.

00:28:37.000 And that's how you store ones and zeros.

00:28:40.000 So this is, this is, I mean, it's strange because you hear about computers discussed in the 50s and 60s.

00:28:47.000 We had the first personal computer way out into the, what, late 70s, early 80s.

00:28:53.000 What the hell were you guys making?

00:28:54.000 What did those things do?

00:28:55.000 They were the sizes of a fridge.

00:28:57.000 And what did they do?

00:28:58.000 Multiply things?

00:29:00.000 Oh, well, as you know, I mean, the first computer, what that was doing was solving ballistic problems for the artillery.

00:29:12.000 That was really the first computer.

00:29:14.000 But no, we did, our computers did everything.

00:29:17.000 They did salaries, they did financial, they did mathematical computations.

00:29:24.000 So it's not, I don't think there's anything, we didn't have things that you have today, but we had the basics.

00:29:34.000 And as far as I'm concerned, I think the computers today, although they've got obviously very, very significantly smaller, I don't think the architecture has changed dramatically.

00:29:49.000 Okay, well yeah, I guess they still have motherboards, they still look like those microchips if you were to bust them open and look inside.

00:29:56.000 Yes, well we still have, you know, we've got arithmetic units, we've got memory, we've got, you know, processors.

00:30:04.000 Alright, boring.

00:30:05.000 So you made a bunch of computers, and then, uh, what made you come to Canada?

00:30:12.000 We were just a bit bored.

00:30:15.000 Why, were you talking about microchips too much?

00:30:17.000 No, no, no.

00:30:21.000 I think the only... I'd only been out of the country once when I started to work.

00:30:31.000 I went on a hitchhiking trip with my wife.

00:30:36.000 She was my wife then.

00:30:37.000 We hitchhiked from

00:30:42.000 Glasgow to Greece, actually to the Greek islands.

00:30:47.000 We did take a train from Vienna to Athens, but other than that we hitchhiked.

00:30:52.000 Tell that story about the train getting stuck, because I think it's indicative of an important lesson there.

00:30:59.000 Well, what happened was the railway workers went on strike, and we were in northern Greece at the time, so we were wondering what to do.

00:31:13.000 In the particular carriage I was in, it was mostly students.

00:31:18.000 Wait, they went on strike as the train was on the tracks?

00:31:21.000 Well, during the trip, you know, it was a long trip, so the train got to one, it got into Greece, and then that was the strike was in Greece.

00:31:31.000 Oh, I see.

00:31:33.000 But then we, so, I thought, well, let's be adventurous here.

00:31:39.000 Let's go, there was an island

00:31:41.000 Just off where we were.

00:31:44.000 So we managed to get there.

00:31:47.000 I honestly can't remember exactly how we got to the coast, but there was a ferry.

00:31:55.000 And I remember, we didn't have very much money, and I remember hanging off the side of the ferry.

00:32:03.000 So this guy must have been huge!

00:32:05.000 Oh yes, very large ferry. 0.93

00:32:07.000 So how big was this homosexual man you were holding onto the edge of? 0.98

00:32:12.000 So, as I'm hanging on to this ferry, a ferry with the E-R-R-Y, the Greek passengers pointed me out to the conductor, so he could get my fare. 1.00

00:32:32.000 I've been telling that story all wrong for decades.

00:32:36.000 I thought it was the train stopped in the middle of rural Greece, no one knew why and so they thought we can stay here and swelter in this car because you were jumping the train or we could go out and just explore and you went out and you found an oasis with a lake and all this fun and everyone had a great time skinny dipping and then you all went back and as soon as you got back on the train it pulled out.

00:32:56.000 No, no, no.

00:32:59.000 When I told you is what happened.

00:33:01.000 But it was great fun.

00:33:05.000 Now, I'm not sure how we knew that we could go back to the train, because there were no cell phones then.

00:33:17.000 All right.

00:33:18.000 So that story is nothing like I remember.

00:33:22.000 So you decided, because the story I got was, and this might be wrong too, but that Canada wanted to build up their computer industry.

00:33:29.000 They didn't have the human beings.

00:33:32.000 They just didn't have the population, especially qualified.

00:33:34.000 So they went over to Britain and said, who's got an education?

00:33:37.000 As opposed to today, by the way, where Justin Trudeau goes up and says, who's Muslim?

00:33:42.000 I want 34,000 Muslim refugees.

00:33:45.000 Back in 1975, it was, who's remarkably qualified and will improve my country?

00:33:51.000 Well yes, I mean that's mainly true.

00:33:54.000 Canada didn't really have much of a, really essentially no computer industry.

00:34:03.000 So that the only place where you could get people with a computer background was in Europe.

00:34:12.000 And when I came to work in Ottawa, a lot of the people there were Englishmen.

00:34:20.000 Oh yeah, I remember that as a kid.

00:34:21.000 All our friends were... In fact, all my friends I have now, today, this is, so I moved here in 73.

00:34:30.000 People, I'm still friendly and see them often.

00:34:33.000 People whom I met in 73, 74.

00:34:34.000 Englishmen.

00:34:38.000 Well, you see that with the Rhodes and stuff.

00:34:40.000 They all have McAdams and McClure names.

00:34:43.000 That's Scots, but it seems like the Canadians, they love to talk about diversity.

00:34:48.000 They tend to trivialize the fact that this influx of Brits in the early 70s kind of shaped the entire country.

00:34:56.000 Oh, and it was shaped long before that.

00:35:02.000 Scots made a tremendous contribution to Canada in terms of obviously the fur trade, the Hudson Bay Company and what have you, and indeed universities and banks.

00:35:14.000 But in the natural

00:35:18.000 In the History Museum in Ottawa, there's virtually no mention of the Scots.

00:35:24.000 The Chinese have a Chinese laundry there.

00:35:29.000 Lots of the voyagers are, you know, lots of room to the voyagers and the Inuit and the natives, but the Scots go unheard of. 0.99

00:35:38.000 So Lorraine, my wife and your mother, called and started corresponding with the director there.

00:35:47.000 And here, at a most curious attitude, he says, well, you know, we have to have diversity.

00:35:55.000 We have to have

00:35:59.000 Okay, I'm fine with that.

00:36:10.000 Let's just stick to mathematics.

00:36:12.000 How many came?

00:36:14.000 How much did they contribute?

00:36:15.000 How much did the Chinese laundromat contribute? 0.99

00:36:18.000 Let's just go purely by numbers if you want to have no feels about it.

00:36:22.000 Well, it's about diversity.

00:36:26.000 As our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, says, our strength is our diversity.

00:36:33.000 That is true of restaurants.

00:36:35.000 Well, I like Mark Stein's comment, you know, about diversity.

00:36:40.000 You know, seven old Jews on a panel is not very diverse.

00:36:47.000 Six old Jews and a jihadist is much more diverse, but not necessarily better. 0.97

00:36:56.000 But, I mean, it's not.

00:36:57.000 I mean, diversity doesn't work.

00:36:59.000 Multiculturalism doesn't work. 1.00

00:37:02.000 No, I don't think it does.

00:37:03.000 And there's a reason that everyone wants to come here.

00:37:07.000 I think that the West, through trial and error, has created a culture that is not necessarily ethnically pure.

00:37:15.000 It doesn't really put ethnicity at the top.

00:37:18.000 It puts values at the top, and that's a unique trait.

00:37:20.000 Oh, but that's changing.

00:37:21.000 That's changing dramatically.

00:37:24.000 Right.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:37:25.000 I'm talking about pre, you know, 1970.

00:37:35.000 Right.

00:37:39.000 Well, Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, told immigrants they shouldn't assimilate.

00:37:42.000 He said it's not necessarily something you want to do.

00:37:45.000 Well, they're obviously following his advice.

00:37:48.000 And what you have is blocks of places where, indeed, I think in every major city in Europe, there are no-go zones.

00:38:03.000 There are young Muslim males saying, this is Muslim territory.

00:38:12.000 You mustn't drink here.

00:38:13.000 You must dress modestly.

00:38:16.000 But even within their own community, they'll be telling women that they can't be in this cafe.

00:38:21.000 This is a man's cafe.

00:38:22.000 I don't care if you're Muslim and you're wearing a hijab. 1.00

00:38:25.000 Even though you totally support us, you can't come in here.

00:38:30.000 There's a lot of places in Europe you'd think you were in Islamabad.

00:38:36.000 Right.

00:38:37.000 Didn't you recently scream that in a restaurant?

00:38:40.000 Well, I didn't scream it.

00:38:42.000 I remarked upon it.

00:38:48.000 I'm listening to your accent here as you say, no go zones. 1.00

00:38:52.000 And I'm wondering, because I've heard you in your sleep say, I don't want to go! 0.94

00:38:58.000 Ach, I'll bart you, you wee prick, so I will!

00:39:01.000 And then you wake up and you go, good morning my boy! 0.95

00:39:04.000 How, absolutely A1, like Sean Connery with a monocle.

00:39:09.000 How did we get from the Gorbals to Sean Connery?

00:39:14.000 Well, I have a theory about accents.

00:39:18.000 My theory is, and I've only got one example, namely myself, to support my theory.

00:39:26.000 My theory is, I mean, the reason you have an accent, obviously, you copy, you're just aping your parents and your peers.

00:39:33.000 Yep.

00:39:33.000 That's how you develop an accent.

00:39:35.000 And of course, the only way you can copy that, if you have a good enough ear to, you know, see the various intonations within all the harmonics and what have you, within the sound.

00:39:50.000 But if you have, if you're tone deaf, which I am,

00:39:56.000 It's very, very difficult to copy these accents.

00:40:00.000 So, after spending, you know, the first 20 years of my life, or first 25, 22 years of my life, developing this Glasgow accent,

00:40:13.000 It's very difficult to lose it.

00:40:16.000 Dad, I'm saying the opposite.

00:40:17.000 You don't have a Glasgow accent.

00:40:19.000 Well, I... It's... This is a Glasgow accent.

00:40:22.000 She used people, by the way. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Hanging's too good for youse.

00:40:25.000 No, no.

00:40:27.000 No, no.

00:40:27.000 That's... No, that's... A lot of that is not so much accent as slang.

00:40:33.000 Okay.

00:40:34.000 So, you know, so I don't use Glasgow slang.

00:40:37.000 But, you know, in Canada,

00:40:39.000 People view my accent as a very strong Scottish accent, where in Glasgow, people view my accent as some affectation.

00:40:51.000 Right, yeah.

00:40:52.000 Maybe they're both right.

00:40:53.000 Yeah, because you were only in England for a few years, but that seems to have had a major impact.

00:40:59.000 Is it possible that you secretly liked their classism and agreed?

00:41:04.000 No, no.

00:41:04.000 I was in England for six years.

00:41:06.000 Now what I did was,

00:41:08.000 I don't think I changed my accent in England, but I had to change my diction, because Glaswegians are very lazy speakers. 1.00

00:41:19.000 Right.

00:41:19.000 And typically they don't finish the word cleanly.

00:41:24.000 So I had to improve upon that.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, they sort of kill all the consonants.

00:41:30.000 Puerto Ricans do this when they speak English too, and they say,

00:41:33.000 I feel like a lot of Glaswegians talk as though they have a fist in their mouth. 1.00

00:41:47.000 You know what I've noticed, too, about Goswegians? 1.00

00:41:50.000 They have this worship of the underdog that is an obsession, and it trumps logic, it trumps everything else.

00:41:59.000 They love Palestinians because they see them as an underdog. 0.98

00:42:04.000 Now, Palestinians using children as terrorists, bombing people, murdering Israelis, that's unfortunate. 0.94

00:42:10.000 But they, they still, you have, you've got, I think it's Celtics? 0.87

00:42:14.000 I can't remember what soccer team it is, that wears kafayas, just because they, they, they go with the underdog. 0.98

00:42:19.000 Or when I bring, brought Emily, my American Indian wife, to, to Strachan, my uncle's pub, he says, one of the guys says, ironically, he's pretending, I mean, he's trying to be as un-racist as possible.

00:42:30.000 He goes, can I ask you, what's with your eyes there?

00:42:33.000 They look a bit chunky.

00:42:35.000 And she goes, oh, I'm an American Indian.

00:42:36.000 And he goes, oh my God!

00:42:39.000 And he grabs her hand and he starts kissing the top of it and crying.

00:42:45.000 He has real tears on his face and he goes, sees what we did to these people.

00:42:51.000 That was bloody terrible.

00:42:53.000 So it was.

00:42:55.000 And I just thought, this is, this is irritating.

00:42:59.000 It irritates me about the Scots.

00:43:01.000 Well, I don't know if that's a Scottish thing or not.

00:43:05.000 It was just this one Glasgow drunk.

00:43:09.000 No, Dad.

00:43:09.000 It's a pattern.

00:43:10.000 Everything is out of spite.

00:43:11.000 They're like Canada. 0.96

00:43:12.000 The way Canada says, oh, who are you?

00:43:15.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:43:16.000 I'm not a good old boy.

00:43:17.000 I'm not a, I don't drive a pickup truck.

00:43:19.000 I'm not shooting my guns.

00:43:21.000 You go, no, I didn't, I didn't say what aren't, what isn't American about you?

00:43:24.000 I said, what are you about?

00:43:26.000 Well, I was called the Elvis's brother syndrome, where if you were to ask,

00:43:31.000 Kenny Presley, what he is.

00:43:33.000 He said, well, I don't wear blue suede shoes, that's for sure.

00:43:36.000 And Scotland is like that with England.

00:43:37.000 They say, oh, we don't celebrate Christmas.

00:43:39.000 That's English.

00:43:40.000 We're Hogmanay.

00:43:41.000 We do New Year's Eve.

00:43:43.000 Well, there is a lot of animosity against England and Scotland. 0.97

00:43:50.000 And to me, it's just absolutely silly. 0.79

00:43:54.000 I don't know.

00:43:57.000 That MD in Scotland has ever been harmed by any Englishman or any English policy.

00:44:04.000 That's not what it said in Braveheart.

00:44:08.000 Well, you know, I don't believe in reliving all those ancient historical fights.

00:44:16.000 Otherwise, you know, that's the major problem with

00:44:20.000 Some of the issues we have today, especially with Muslims, they go back to the 7th century for their quarrels.

00:44:31.000 Right.

00:44:31.000 Obama encourages them.

00:44:32.000 He says, you know, you might want to remember the Crusades.

00:44:36.000 Well, exactly.

00:44:37.000 And of course, that's every Muslim apologist. 0.94

00:44:41.000 That's their comeback.

00:44:43.000 What about the Crusades?

00:44:45.000 I'm happy to get into the Crusades.

00:44:48.000 They were a reaction to Muslim tyranny. 1.00

00:44:51.000 They were a rebellion. 0.78

00:44:53.000 Yes.

00:44:54.000 And then you have this, the other line they bring up is the Spanish Inquisition.

00:45:01.000 So we've made, and I think Obama said exactly that, you know, we've made mistakes too.

00:45:07.000 Oh yeah, sorry about that.

00:45:08.000 It literally won't happen again, unfortunately.

00:45:12.000 You know that, but there is something that we're doing right now that is linked to William Wallace.

00:45:18.000 And that is drinking beer.

00:45:20.000 Now, Dr. Drew said this, and I thought it was very profound.

00:45:23.000 He said, the reason Scots have a predilection to booze is they were under siege for 700 years, and the ones that don't enjoy conflict are extinct.

00:45:34.000 The ones that prevailed tend to enjoy conflict.

00:45:37.000 And what is booze but giving yourself a handicap and turning walking downstairs into a battle? 0.87

00:45:44.000 And the next thing you know, your life is a war.

00:45:47.000 No, I think he's stretching it there.

00:45:51.000 Well there is something unique about Scotch though.

00:45:54.000 Even my Mexican relatives notice a strange clenched fist when they drink Scotch. 0.91

00:46:03.000 There's just, there's something about us that's unique.

00:46:08.000 Well, I hope so.

00:46:09.000 I mean, I hope there's something unique about all cultures that make them a culture.

00:46:15.000 You know, if you didn't have something unique, how would you identify yourself?

00:46:21.000 Well, yeah, I don't understand how... You know, with just some kind of amorphous, you know, nothing that you could actually point to and say, well, that defines who we are.

00:46:32.000 If you're not in a position to define who you are, then you don't have a culture.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, well, it's okay for gay pride parades or anything else, but Westerners aren't allowed to be proud of their accomplishments. 0.97

00:46:45.000 Well, but, you know, homosexuals, that's not a culture. 1.00

00:46:50.000 It's not an accomplishment either. 0.99

00:46:52.000 It's your God-given libido.

00:46:57.000 Well, I'm not sure anything is God-given. 0.98

00:47:00.000 I'm sorry, you're naturally born gay, and why are you dancing in the streets? 1.00

00:47:04.000 That's like dancing in the streets because you have diarrhea when you're hungover. 0.99

00:47:08.000 It's just your body dealing with the hand it was dealt.

00:47:13.000 Jumping back to 1975, what was your first impression of Canadians when you got there from England?

00:47:25.000 That really I didn't see any significant cultural difference.

00:47:33.000 There's nothing really that struck me as, you know, this is very different.

00:47:39.000 You've got to remember that most of the people that I worked with, a lot of them were British, of British background, and certainly all

00:47:56.000 were of European background.

00:48:01.000 And of course, I was working in an engineering environment, and I didn't see any real difference between this group of engineers and the group I worked with.

00:48:17.000 In England?

00:48:18.000 In England.

00:48:19.000 Well, didn't you find that the Canadians weren't hard enough drinkers? 0.88

00:48:24.000 Well, no, because I drank with Brits.

00:48:28.000 Well, I thought the story was you met, you became middle class pretty quickly, and you noticed that the middle class don't drink as hard as the blue collars, so you went to a bowling night.

00:48:40.000 Oh no, that's in England.

00:48:42.000 In England, that's where I felt there was 0.68

00:48:44.000 A substantial difference between the cultures that I was exposed to, the culture I was exposed to in Glasgow, and the culture that I met in England.

00:48:56.000 You know, in Glasgow, it was very common, you know, you go into a bar, and you might start talking to the chap next to you.

00:49:06.000 Right.

00:49:06.000 And within a few beers, he'd be your best friend.

00:49:12.000 And then, a few beers later, he would be in tears.

00:49:19.000 Then another few beers, he'd want to punch the hell out of you.

00:49:24.000 That never happened to me.

00:49:26.000 I don't think I saw a drunk in a pub in England.

00:49:31.000 Really?

00:49:32.000 I don't remember seeing someone drunk in a bar in England.

00:49:39.000 You know, I noticed that about Fox News.

00:49:41.000 You'd go to the pub across the street from Fox, and you'd never see any co-workers there before 8 or 9, and it was only after they were done their shows.

00:49:51.000 God forbid they would have some beers before their shows.

00:49:54.000 But at Rebel,

00:49:56.000 uh when we were shooting up there you'd go out to the pub at say 12 30 p.m and the place would be replete with rebel cameramen anchors everyone and then when everyone was done at six oh my god we had an entire wing and i couldn't help but think this is canada

00:50:15.000 Taking on Scottish traditions, in a sense.

00:50:17.000 Like, at the airport, you go to an American airport, and there's no one really drinking at noon, one, two, but you go to a Glaswegian airport, at 11am they're bringing their wine glasses to the gate, which is allowed because it's so common, and it's the same with Canada.

00:50:33.000 Every Canadian airport, the bar is full at noon, but not in America.

00:50:40.000 Well, I mean, let's see, there's a...

00:50:45.000 There's a boat, it's called the Waverly.

00:50:49.000 Oh yes.

00:50:49.000 It's a paddle steamer.

00:50:51.000 The world's longest running paddle steamer.

00:50:56.000 And they have trips down the Clyde and I think the trip starts about nine in the morning.

00:51:04.000 The bar downstairs in the ship

00:51:11.000 It's full.

00:51:12.000 Jammed. 1.00

00:51:12.000 And people, people stay there for the whole trip. 1.00

00:51:15.000 It's a sightseeing tour.

00:51:17.000 It's all about what you see on deck.

00:51:19.000 The deck is a ghost town.

00:51:21.000 But, you know, there are portholes that you can look out and see the, see the Clyde.

00:51:29.000 Well, I thought the story was with Canada where you went, my middle class co-workers

00:51:37.000 Excuse me.

00:51:39.000 Don't party enough.

00:51:40.000 They took you bowling and you went, wait, where's the bar?

00:51:42.000 No, no, no.

00:51:43.000 That's in England.

00:51:45.000 English bowling?

00:51:46.000 English.

00:51:46.000 In England.

00:51:47.000 Oh yes, they have ten pin bowling in England.

00:51:50.000 So, as I got to know these fellow engineers, I was invited on a Friday to go bowling.

00:52:01.000 Oh, great.

00:52:02.000 Let's be sociable.

00:52:04.000 So I go along to go bowling.

00:52:07.000 And I was amazed.

00:52:08.000 This is a Friday night.

00:52:10.000 In Glasgow, people would be pounding the booze back.

00:52:15.000 And there's no bar in this bowling... Alley.

00:52:19.000 Alley.

00:52:20.000 Oh, God.

00:52:21.000 Well, I think what happened in Canada is you went, maybe you gave up on them immediately, and you ended up with all the technicians at the computer company.

00:52:28.000 No, no.

00:52:29.000 It's a curious... I think it's still true today.

00:52:33.000 There seems to be, it's a real difference between hardware engineers and software engineers.

00:52:41.000 And I'm sure I'll be proven to be right, but in general, software engineers don't drink.

00:52:53.000 But hardware engineers drink.

00:52:56.000 So you go to a bar after work, and there's all these hardware engineers there, but not software engineers.

00:53:03.000 And this might anger you, but what's a hardware engineer?

00:53:06.000 A guy who screws a hard drive together or something?

00:53:09.000 No, a hardware engineer is someone who actually designs the chips and puts the chips together to make the system.

00:53:18.000 Whereas a software engineer is one who writes code.

00:53:21.000 Right, okay.

00:53:22.000 Okay, so he's a writer.

00:53:24.000 And the other one is a carpenter of sorts.

00:53:27.000 Well, that analogy is really a really poor analogy.

00:53:34.000 So, because I grew up in the slums, basically the gorbals of Ottawa, but it was because you would drive me out to these poor technicians' homes, and I would hang out in trailer parks because you wanted to drink with their dads.

00:53:49.000 So I had a very blue-collar life, even though we had a beautiful home with a pool, and I had everything I wanted, except the bionic man, of course. 0.96

00:53:56.000 You got me Oscar fucking Goldman, his boss.

00:54:01.000 Well, I wanted you to get into the management side of things. 0.98

00:54:09.000 I like how mom says, that Oscar Goldman is probably worth a fortune now.

00:54:13.000 And I looked it up and it was $20.

00:54:14.000 I could buy it right now on eBay for $20.

00:54:17.000 And wasn't she right then?

00:54:35.000 This is the 80s and they had feathered hair and lumberjack jackets and skinny jeans and we'd buy them cigarettes and they'd give us kisses in exchange.

00:54:42.000 I mean, it was a much more fun childhood than what was going on in the middle-class suburbs.

00:54:48.000 So thank you for that.

00:54:51.000 Although I have to admit, when we were riding in the van of some of these parents and the pot smoke was wafting back, my little seven-year-old lungs would get nauseous from the smoke.

00:55:03.000 Well, I remember one of the

00:55:09.000 She had a marijuana plant in her garden, and someone stole it, and she reported it to the police.

00:55:19.000 Remember that, because her contention was she was concerned it would get into the wrong hands, like kids.

00:55:25.000 What if kids, what if eight-year-olds stole it?

00:55:27.000 Then they smoke some marijuana, as eight-year-olds are wont to do.

00:55:31.000 Alright, we're running out of time here Jimmy.

00:55:34.000 So you made the trek from the slums of Gorbals to rural Ottawa.

00:55:40.000 You had two wonderful kids.

00:55:41.000 One of them is basically a male model on the outside.

00:55:45.000 Breathtaking to look at.

00:55:46.000 Mile-high cheekbones, bee-stung lips, swimming pools for eyes, thick flaxen hair that looks like an Adonis.

00:55:54.000 And that's why I'm beginning to wonder if you're really my kid.

00:55:57.000 Yeah.

00:55:59.000 Was there a male model that lived next door when I was born?

00:56:01.000 Certainly the insurance agent was gorgeous.

00:56:05.000 Gorgeous with a low IQ.

00:56:08.000 Kind of everything.

00:56:11.000 So how, I'm sorry I'm getting texts from Emily here, so if you could go back and change anything out of these various exedi, I don't know what the plural of exodus is, these various pilgrimages, would you change anything from 1950 to now?

00:56:32.000 Yes, I think what I would do is I would have immigrated to Australia.

00:56:36.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:56:37.000 That's a big, that's not a subtle change.

00:56:40.000 No, I think, I don't like the way Canada is going now.

00:56:44.000 Canada is, we've got Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister, who is really just, his father ruined Canada. 1.00

00:56:54.000 His father was the most highly educated moron 1.00

00:56:59.000 I've ever encountered. 1.00

00:57:01.000 His son takes after him, but he's not even highly educated.

00:57:05.000 Right, yeah.

00:57:07.000 I think he was a part-time drama teacher and a snowboard instructor, which is just exactly the kind of experiences you need to head up a country.

00:57:21.000 To run the second largest country in the world as far as landmass goes.

00:57:25.000 Yeah, so we've got that, and we've got Kathleen Wynne, who is the Premier of Ontario, in my province, and she believes that man-made global warming is the greatest threat to the Earth.

00:57:44.000 And we now have, we have now signed this Paris Accord that for us to meet the Paris Accord will cost tens of billions of dollars.

00:57:54.000 Wow.

00:57:55.000 Because we're nowhere near meeting the commitment.

00:57:59.000 And Canada's responsible for what percent of the Earth's global warming?

00:58:04.000 Even with the extremist leftist scientists, I think they say it's something like 1.5%.

00:58:10.000 It's of that order.

00:58:11.000 It's of that order.

00:58:13.000 It's a trivial amount.

00:58:14.000 No matter what Canada does, no matter what Canada does, it will have zero effect.

00:58:20.000 So, to me, I think Trump, you know, for all his frailties, got the most, the key elements right.

00:58:31.000 He got man-made global warming right, withdrawing from this nonsensical Paris Agreement.

00:58:39.000 It's ridiculous that unless China and India and America do something, even if it was true that man-made global warming was a concern, nothing's going to happen.

00:58:55.000 And you can't try and hold India back.

00:58:59.000 You know, India needs energy.

00:59:01.000 Right.

00:59:02.000 So Trump got the man-made global warming issue right.

00:59:06.000 He got the Islam issue right. 1.00

00:59:08.000 You have to ensure that people who are coming into your country are not bent on destroying you.

00:59:19.000 And three, he got the borders right.

00:59:22.000 You know, you can't have a country without borders, where Justin Trudeau has got all these issues wrong.

00:59:30.000 He's totally into this man-made global warming nonsense.

00:59:36.000 He's welcoming in 35,000 Syrian refugees with no ability to vet them. 1.00

00:59:43.000 No ability to vet them whatsoever.

00:59:45.000 Well, how do you vet a jihadist?

00:59:47.000 You say, do you promise that you're not a jihadist?

00:59:50.000 What do you do?

00:59:50.000 You give them a CAT scan?

00:59:51.000 No, no.

00:59:53.000 I hear this argument all the time.

00:59:55.000 And it's just, I mean, the argument goes back to, well,

01:00:00.000 Why charge someone with a crime?

01:00:05.000 All they have to say is, I didn't commit the crime.

01:00:09.000 No, no, no.

01:00:10.000 You don't pay attention to what the

01:00:16.000 Hmm.

01:00:34.000 So it's nonsense to pretend that you, if you say to a Muslim, do you believe in Sharia law?

01:00:42.000 And if you believe in Sharia law, you can't get in. 0.62

01:00:44.000 You know, because what you have to do is find out what, how has he lived his life?

01:00:48.000 No, but dad, I'm adding a third option here, where I think a lot of them are too easily radicalized.

01:00:54.000 Look at Fort Hood, where the guy joined the military and he was clearly pro-American and then decided he wanted to kill people.

01:01:00.000 And you have to take action

01:01:03.000 against these mosques which preach this nonsense, you know, and you have to take action against what's on the internet which supports all this nonsense. 0.97

01:01:15.000 So you have to do something, and you have to do many things, you know, and so unless you're doing whatever you can, you're not doing enough.

01:01:25.000 So Canada has got this 35,000 Muslims, they've got global warming, and Justin Trudeau is welcoming everyone to come to Canada. 0.98

01:01:37.000 So we have, you know, thousands of Haitians crossing from the U.S.

01:01:42.000 Those are Haitian hyenas?

01:01:45.000 Haitians then, Haitians. 0.94

01:01:47.000 Thousands of them coming over to Canada and we're not stopping them.

01:01:52.000 And they're not refugees.

01:01:55.000 They're in the U.S. 1.00

01:01:58.000 Well, it sounds like we're disagreeing about this vetting thing, but I'm saying don't have as many Muslims coming in.

01:02:05.000 What about Christian refugees from northern Iraq?

01:02:08.000 What about Coptic Christians from Egypt?

01:02:10.000 What about whites that are being attacked in South Africa?

01:02:13.000 We've got plenty of people who have similar values to us who are dying to come here.

01:02:18.000 Why are Muslims even on the list? 1.00

01:02:19.000 Then prioritize it.

01:02:21.000 Yes. 0.98

01:02:23.000 You know, look at these poor buggers in Syria that 1.00

01:02:28.000 The Yazidis. 0.61

01:02:30.000 Oh my God.

01:02:31.000 Welcome them and because they, they are indeed refugees.

01:02:35.000 They're being annihilated.

01:02:37.000 Yes. 0.99

01:02:37.000 Raped and God knows what. 0.99

01:02:40.000 Oh, the Ezra Levant was telling me about these women describing their ordeals and after the first hundred rapes, they just lie there begging for drone strikes to take them out because they'd love to die. 0.99

01:02:52.000 Oh, it's horrendous.

01:02:55.000 Horrendous.

01:02:56.000 And Justin Trudeau refused to prioritize that.

01:03:00.000 Refused to. 0.99

01:03:02.000 He's a vile human being. 0.99

01:03:03.000 Oh, no, it's not he's a vile human being. 1.00

01:03:05.000 He's just an incredibly stupid man. 1.00

01:03:08.000 And who is vile is the people he has in his office. 1.00

01:03:13.000 He's got a Muslim 0.68

01:03:15.000 And he's the one who dictates what Trudeau does with respect to Muslims.

01:03:25.000 He's the one who promised Trudeau that he would get him the Muslim vote. 0.77

01:03:32.000 And then we have... But he did!

01:03:33.000 Yes.

01:03:34.000 And then we have Gerald Butz.

01:03:36.000 And as far as I'm concerned, Gerald Butz is really our Prime Minister.

01:03:40.000 And not only is he our Prime Minister, he's our Finance Minister.

01:03:46.000 Well, they were best buddies at McGill College.

01:03:48.000 This is just his old college buddy he's decided to put in the helmet.

01:03:51.000 And Gerald Butz has a degree in political science.

01:03:55.000 Yeah, it's like Valerie Jarrett in the White House. 0.98

01:03:57.000 She's the sort of Rasputin who does the whispering into the ear. 0.82

01:04:01.000 But I'm interested that you chose Australia and not America.

01:04:05.000 Because I loved when I went to... Well... Because Australia, I feel, is... I liked the attitude.

01:04:16.000 of the people in Australia.

01:04:18.000 You know, I really, I mean, I go to America, I stay in America five and a half months of the year.

01:04:24.000 Right.

01:04:25.000 In Florida.

01:04:26.000 So, I love America, and I've got some fabulous American friends, but I felt that Australia was more adventurous than the U.S.

01:04:36.000 In what sense?

01:04:37.000 Well, it's, I mean, trivial reasons.

01:04:40.000 It's much further away.

01:04:42.000 Oh, I see.

01:04:42.000 So, from your perspective, it's more, not the culture is more adventurous,

01:04:46.000 No, no, no, no.

01:04:47.000 That's, you know, he's going to, you know, traveling all that way.

01:04:52.000 I didn't know what to expect.

01:04:55.000 Didn't you look up, weren't you considering Amsterdam for a while?

01:04:58.000 No, no.

01:04:59.000 I really, all I did was, I decided that I was going to go somewhere for a year.

01:05:06.000 Somewhere abroad for a year.

01:05:08.000 And I just applied to jobs that I saw, and the first two jobs I saw, there was a job with Philips in Holland, and a job with another company in Canada.

01:05:22.000 And I applied for both jobs, and the company in Canada came through first.

01:05:29.000 Huh.

01:05:30.000 But I thought Philips, I thought was kind of interesting because... What's Philips?

01:05:35.000 Sorry.

01:05:37.000 Philips was a very, very large company involved in both in defense and in commercial business.

01:05:45.000 It was a technical company.

01:05:48.000 It actually was a defense company as well.

01:05:52.000 And they got rid of the defense business.

01:05:55.000 But there in Philips, although it was in Holland, the language of the company was English.

01:06:03.000 So all my interviews were in English.

01:06:07.000 I thought it was funny because I talked to the technical people in the morning and then the personnel manager took me to, for lunch, into the Phillips dining area.

01:06:18.000 And of course it was a normal Dutch meal where it's cold meats and what have you.

01:06:24.000 You make up the sandwich yourself.

01:06:26.000 So I make up a sandwich and I go back to the table.

01:06:29.000 And I take a bite out of my sandwich and look up and the personnel manager is saying grace.

01:06:36.000 Oh, right, because they're such religious Protestants.

01:06:40.000 Oh, yes.

01:06:41.000 So I had to quickly...

01:06:43.000 Put the sandwich down and cover the bite I'd taken out of the sandwich with a napkin.

01:06:50.000 Well, you also said that Dutch seemed phenomenally boring.

01:06:54.000 Well, it was strange.

01:06:56.000 You know, in Amsterdam, the Red Light District, there was all kinds of activity.

01:07:00.000 You know, women, prostitutes, posing in shop windows. 1.00

01:07:05.000 You know, the place was at midnight, the place was going mad. 0.98

01:07:10.000 All your favorite stuff.

01:07:11.000 Yeah, then I went to this little town where Phillips headquarters were, and at nine o'clock at night, the whole place was deserted.

01:07:22.000 Streets were deserted.

01:07:23.000 Everyone was home.

01:07:27.000 So, if you had stayed in Scotland, would your life have been miserable?

01:07:32.000 I certainly would not ever, ever go back to Scotland now. 0.58

01:07:35.000 Scotland is very, very depressing.

01:07:38.000 You know, I think something like over 50% of people who are employed work.

01:07:45.000 With some government level or other, whether it's European, British, Scottish... Oh, it's English Charity.

01:07:53.000 Didn't they move all the banks up there just to appease them?

01:07:55.000 Well, I really mean, the Scots had a tremendous reputation at one point for their ingenuity.

01:08:06.000 I haven't seen that lately.

01:08:09.000 So you think your life would have been missed?

01:08:11.000 Well, there's no hypothetical because you would never stay there.

01:08:14.000 Well, I'd had to move because there is no work in my business there.

01:08:21.000 Right.

01:08:22.000 Yeah, it's funny how the Scots have that fake parliament and they're still talking about separating and you think it just sort of seems like a rich kid whose dad gives him a fake job at his corporation to make him feel good and he just goes around and pushes numbers around at a desk.

01:08:38.000 Well, I think we see this a lot in these various local governments wanting to separate.

01:08:47.000 And what it is, is politicians, they'd rather be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.

01:08:56.000 Right, like with Quebec.

01:08:57.000 Exactly.

01:08:59.000 And of course, Quebec is in the same position as Scotland.

01:09:04.000 They can't survive without their parent.

01:09:09.000 You know, the kids in the parents' basement.

01:09:14.000 Yeah, it's a spoiled brat saying, and this is so true of American liberals and the liberal movement in general, is it's these spoiled brats saying to their daddy, I hate it here, running upstairs and slamming their bedroom door as loud as they can because they're mad, yet they're still in his house and they're old enough to move out. 0.76

01:09:32.000 That's why I had you on the show today, because this show is trying to bring back the patriarch and take the stigma out of being a dad.

01:09:40.000 But I feel like you may have accidentally set us back in time.

01:09:44.000 Quite a bit, by just being so profoundly unlikable.

01:09:51.000 Well, I think it's a talent I have. 0.96

01:09:54.000 The best argument to smash the patriarchy yet was hearing you open your gob.

01:10:00.000 Smash the patriarch, more like.

01:10:02.000 Well, you know, that's why I'm not in politics.

01:10:07.000 I have no clue who would actually vote for me.

01:10:12.000 Alright, Dad.

01:10:13.000 Thanks very much for doing this, and I'll see you in about eight seconds when I walk into the engineering room.

01:10:19.000 Okay, my dear.

01:10:20.000 Cheers.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - November 03, 2017

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