Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - Get Off My Lawn Podcast #87 | Did I ever tell you about the time I drank AIDS blood?

00:00:01.000 Did I ever tell you about the time I drank AIDS blood?

00:00:05.000 Me and my wife?

00:00:07.000 In a ritual? 1.00

00:00:09.000 Called the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life. 1.00

00:00:15.000 My wife was in a total panic the next day. 1.00

00:00:18.000 It was back when we first started dating before we had kids where we didn't think AIDS was an issue.

00:00:26.000 Um, we were drunk on Halloween in the East Village.

00:00:30.000 West Village, sorry.

00:00:32.000 Major distinction there.

00:00:33.000 Very important distinction.

00:00:34.000 And we're walking around.

00:00:36.000 I think we were dressed as Krusty Punks that night.

00:00:40.000 And Halloween in New York is a very big deal.

00:00:44.000 And it's Halloween's always been a big deal to me.

00:00:46.000 So, uh, but in New York, it's such a big deal that a lot of your night, if you don't have specific parties or you already have tickets, it's just like going to overflowing bar after overflowing bar where you can't get in.

00:00:59.000 So it's a lot of walking.

00:01:01.000 Anyway, we're walking around and I see this clearly gay dude on the ground on the pavement and he's going, moaning in pain. 0.77

00:01:15.000 But the problem is... 0.93

00:01:17.000 I can't tell if he's just on ketamine and is moaning because he's a drama queen and he's too wasted, and I should just ignore him, or if this blood coming out of his head is actual blood.

00:01:30.000 Like, it could all just be, he was wearing a zombie costume, and so he's kind of like a club kid zombie, so he was like a dying, a dead raver was his costume, I guess you'd call it.

00:01:42.000 And so,

00:01:43.000 He's bleeding everywhere, but is it blood?

00:01:45.000 It's not really pouring out of your head.

00:01:47.000 When you cut your head, as we know from wrestling, it bleeds like crazy, and it's cups and cups of blood.

00:01:53.000 This blood seemed kind of thick and stagnant, but it was a big sort of a gash in his head.

00:01:59.000 Anyway, the question, as I look at this guy, is should I be helping a person who was just hit by a car or something and is going to bleed to death if we don't get him to the hospital?

00:02:10.000 Or,

00:02:11.000 Is this a wasted guy with fake blood on his head?

00:02:14.000 So what did I do?

00:02:16.000 I took two fingers, I put it on his head, and then I went... and had a little taste to see if it was blood or corn syrup. 0.99

00:02:29.000 Then my wife, girlfriend at the time, did the same fucking thing! 0.99

00:02:36.000 Can you believe that? 1.00

00:02:39.000 What were we thinking?

00:02:42.000 Pros and cons. 0.98

00:02:44.000 Cons, you have AIDS.

00:02:47.000 Pros, you have now identified the man's blood, whether it was blood or corn syrup.

00:02:56.000 She woke up the next day having a full-on panic attack.

00:02:59.000 I can't remember if we got AIDS tests that day or a little bit later.

00:03:04.000 Sometimes when you're doing a normal test, you can go, hey, can you throw in some AIDS tests in there? 0.67

00:03:10.000 Why is AIDS so funny? 1.00

00:03:11.000 I know it's a horrible disease that devastated the gay community and the creative class and killed a lot of heroin addicts and everything. 1.00

00:03:18.000 It's very sad.

00:03:19.000 But there's just something funny about it.

00:03:21.000 Not people with the disease, but just the word.

00:03:24.000 I don't know.

00:03:26.000 Like Leslie Arfin got me going a long time ago.

00:03:29.000 She went to India and her and her friend had this inside joke.

00:03:33.000 Anytime they got remotely sick, like say they got a cold or had a tiny bit of the squirts, they'd go, I have AIDS! 1.00

00:03:39.000 Great, I have fucking AIDS. 1.00

00:03:41.000 I have AIDS! 1.00

00:03:44.000 Or whenever we describe a hangover, we say we have AIDS.

00:03:48.000 It's not as funny as cancer.

00:03:50.000 But I've done that.

00:03:52.000 The cancer is metastasized when I have hangovers and I say that I see cancer patients with no eyebrows and I sort of nod to them because we're the same.

00:04:01.000 But it's not as funny as AIDS.

00:04:04.000 McInnes claims AIDS funny.

00:04:08.000 Did you hear, speaking of war vets, this op-ed professor saying that social justice warriors should also be considered veterans and should be included in Veterans Day festivities because they've been through that too?

00:04:22.000 That's a doozy.

00:04:23.000 That's a joke I make.

00:04:25.000 That's the problem with these professors now.

00:04:28.000 Their life has become my Onion article. 0.92

00:04:31.000 Like I said, uh, I used to joke about how I had a hangover so bad that, you know, the next Veterans Day I'm gonna get up there with the Pearl Harbor survivors and just stand next to them and nod to them because we've basically been through the same shit.

00:04:44.000 Uh, now, professors are saying that joke for real in real life. 0.99

00:04:51.000 But yeah, can you bel- and here's the other funny thing about licking that gay's blood. 1.00

00:04:55.000 I, uh, couldn't tell. 0.99

00:04:57.000 It's not like corn syrup is Hawaiian punch, where the second you taste it, your mouth fills with strawberries.

00:05:04.000 It pretty much tastes like blood, which is nothing.

00:05:07.000 You know, blood, if you probably have, you know, you've cut your lip before and you've drank it, and you're like, that's kind of metallic, but it's basically water.

00:05:15.000 It's basically red water.

00:05:16.000 Same with fake blood.

00:05:18.000 So I still don't know, to this day, I mean, I know I don't have AIDS.

00:05:22.000 Remember in high school?

00:05:23.000 This was a thing.

00:05:24.000 Now, I'm a Canadian, non-drug user, never touched a syringe, never had gay sex, I'm 16 years old, I'm living in the upper middle class rural suburbs of Canada in Kanata, Ontario, and me and everyone I knew, we were positive we all had AIDS.

00:05:43.000 We got AIDS. 0.90

00:05:45.000 And then I had sex with- because every time you have sex with someone, you're having sex with all their partners. 0.99

00:05:50.000 So, we all have AIDS, guys. 0.99

00:05:52.000 We'll do the test, but it's just a formality.

00:05:56.000 I mean, I don't even know why I'm getting some paperwork.

00:05:59.000 I know I have AIDS.

00:06:00.000 I've already written my goodbye note to my parents.

00:06:03.000 I never even got to move out of the house.

00:06:05.000 I know a guy- alright, I'll say his name.

00:06:07.000 Shane Smith, the guy I started Vice Magazine with.

00:06:09.000 He had already written- he got an AIDS test, and he'd already written his

00:06:13.000 I think what happened was, the gays didn't like the stigma of it being a gay disease.

00:06:15.000 So they said, anyone can get it, okay? 0.95

00:06:16.000 It's not just gays. 0.82

00:06:16.000 Rich kids in the suburbs could get it. 0.82

00:06:18.000 And so, their propaganda worked, and they did obfuscate it from the 1.00

00:06:42.000 The gay disease into the anyone disease, anyone who's ever had sex even once or gotten a blowjob or a fucking handjob. 1.00

00:06:50.000 But that turned out to be detrimental to their cause because the funding started going into the burbs and middle class and all these kids getting, you know, it's probably cost like 1,500 bucks. 1.00

00:07:02.000 Canada's free health care.

00:07:03.000 So the government is just getting reamed with all these rich suburbanites getting test after test every month like they're porn stars.

00:07:14.000 Maybe that's why it's funny, because we were all so scared of it, and we look back now and go, what the hell was that about? 1.00

00:07:21.000 I got so much less pussy than the generation before me. 0.99

00:07:25.000 In the 70s, with their tube socks and their short shorts, everyone had the clap, gonorrhea, chlamydia. 1.00

00:07:32.000 It was funny.

00:07:32.000 Oh, you got the clap?

00:07:33.000 That sucks. 0.97

00:07:34.000 Oh, you got crabs? 0.99

00:07:35.000 Oh, well, people had t-shirts.

00:07:36.000 You got crabs! 1.00

00:07:38.000 It was like a fun, cool thing.

00:07:40.000 Herpes.

00:07:41.000 Everyone had herpes.

00:07:42.000 I didn't start getting STDs till my 20s. 0.97

00:07:45.000 College was not... was not pussy central. 1.00

00:07:49.000 Now, I was in a band and did pretty good outside of that, but that's what it took.

00:07:55.000 You had to be the lead singer of a popular local band.

00:07:59.000 And even then it was not falling from the trees.

00:08:03.000 Really didn't start going until I moved to Montreal at the age of 20.

00:08:07.000 Anyway.

00:08:11.000 I was telling my friend Sonia that, and she's... I go, this was like 20 years ago, and I still look back and go, what an imbecile! 0.99

00:08:20.000 What a stupid thing to do! 1.00

00:08:22.000 And she told me about a time she saw a raisin on the street. 1.00

00:08:27.000 And she went, what's a raisin doing there? 0.97

00:08:30.000 And she picked it up.

00:08:32.000 And of course, it was poo-poo. 0.99

00:08:35.000 Or as they say in Africa, da poo-poo!

00:08:38.000 She pick up the poo-poo because she think it is a raisin.

00:08:41.000 We have a patois version of this podcast for those of you who find it confusing where I do the exact same podcast but all in like BBC's African patois.

00:08:54.000 So I'd say, did I tell you about the time the gay man have blood on head and I eat it worse than the poo-poo? 1.00

00:09:03.000 I eat a gay man blood off his head. 1.00

00:09:09.000 Did you know in America, the porn, I see the porn, they rub the poo-poo on their face. 1.00

00:09:16.000 They take the poo-poo, they take the poo-poo in their... How did they not laugh? 0.99

00:09:24.000 In that, everyone in that, you know the viral video I'm talking about where I think homosexuality is a capital offense in Uganda? 0.99

00:09:30.000 And to justify that, they had a little press conference where they talked about how they were watching some gay porn and there was feces in this particular video. 0.88

00:09:37.000 And the men were enjoying it. 0.99

00:09:39.000 And that became just basically all homosexuals and all Americans thoroughly enjoy fecal play. 0.95

00:09:48.000 And as he was explaining this to the audience and the press, not one person was laughing. 0.91

00:09:54.000 They were all just sort of taking notes.

00:09:56.000 Hmm, interesting.

00:09:57.000 Well, I don't want to go to America then.

00:09:58.000 I don't know.

00:10:00.000 I thought they had just all had a giant chocolate sandwich.

00:10:04.000 Or maybe an ice cream bar. 1.00

00:10:06.000 I was very surprised to learn that all Americans eat their own shit. 1.00

00:10:11.000 One of them did drink gay blood. 1.00

00:10:15.000 Pretty stupid. 1.00

00:10:17.000 Pretty fucking dumb. 1.00

00:10:19.000 That same year, my friend Judy, Judy Rosen, she was a dead Juggalo baby. 1.00

00:10:25.000 There was a popular meme at the time, viral video picture going around of a Juggalo, a Juggalette, sorry, whose baby died.

00:10:37.000 And she had a Juggalo funeral. 0.97

00:10:41.000 Oh no, that's a different one.

00:10:42.000 I think we were all Juggalos that year.

00:10:44.000 Yeah, I spent about 350 bucks on the Juggalo store. 1.00

00:10:49.000 I still have the chain wallet with the hatchet on it.

00:10:55.000 I got a new rule this Halloween.

00:10:58.000 I'm going to be waiting outside.

00:11:01.000 I don't know what I'll be.

00:11:03.000 Could be a hoser.

00:11:04.000 The thing with having a beard is you basically have to go from beard backwards.

00:11:08.000 So I could be the tall bad guy from Superman.

00:11:10.000 I think I might be able to be Bill the Butcher, although he had more of a mustache than a beard.

00:11:17.000 But you have to start with beard and then see who has a beard.

00:11:19.000 Anyway.

00:11:21.000 I'm gonna be doing security.

00:11:23.000 And, uh, I'm gonna have a bowl of Smarties.

00:11:25.000 Now, you British people probably think Smarties are those skinny M&Ms. 0.99

00:11:29.000 Here in America, Smarties are those shit candies that are just... No, not the poo-poo! 0.99

00:11:36.000 Uh, that are just like, they look like aspirins. 0.99

00:11:38.000 And there's a rainbow of weak, sort of washed out grey colors.

00:11:43.000 Orange, white, orange, yellow, blah, blah.

00:11:45.000 They're all sort of the same greyness.

00:11:46.000 And it's the shittiest candy there is.

00:11:48.000 You take a couple bites and it's gone.

00:11:50.000 No chocolate to it.

00:11:51.000 It's just like powdered sugar color.

00:11:53.000 And usually they're the last candy.

00:11:55.000 Remember when you get home and you sort them all into categories?

00:11:59.000 That category is the last category to get eaten.

00:12:02.000 Sometimes you just throw them out.

00:12:03.000 Because if you're good at Halloween, and I know you are, then you should get two pillowcases.

00:12:10.000 Two pillowcases takes the better part of a year to eat.

00:12:13.000 I'm talking about two different Halloweens, by the way.

00:12:18.000 I'm talking about the kid Halloween, which you should stop doing at the age of 13.

00:12:22.000 And then I'm also later talking about adult Halloween, which starts around

00:12:30.000 17?

00:12:30.000 16?

00:12:30.000 17?

00:12:31.000 So, from 13 to 17, you should not participate in Halloween.

00:12:35.000 The latter is the sexy one, where you get wasted and party and have really, uh, politically incorrect costumes.

00:12:41.000 The previous one is, uh, about the candy, and if you're focusing on the candy one, you go around, you know, you take your little brother out, that's Phase 1.

00:12:50.000 Then you go with your friends, you know, blah blah blah, the social one, that's Phase 2.

00:12:54.000 Then there's Phase 3 that happens from 9 to 10.

00:12:58.000 And that's when your parents are probably partying, at least they were when I was a kid, and so that's when you go out and there's no one on the street anymore, and you get adults just emptying their bowls because they don't want candy the next day.

00:13:11.000 That's when you really score. 0.88

00:13:14.000 Anyway, I'm gonna have the Smarties at the front, and if someone shows up with fucking sweatpants on and a mask not even on their face but on their head as a hat because it's too hot, guess what they're getting? 0.97

00:13:28.000 Some smarties. 0.99

00:13:29.000 That dumbass is getting smarties. 1.00

00:13:32.000 So he can smarten up. 1.00

00:13:34.000 And then, and I'll be outside, right?

00:13:37.000 And now behind me, in the front of the house, by the front door, I will have five zombies, I'm gonna pay them probably a hundred bucks each, just to mill around the door all night going, don't drink their blood, it's not real blood.

00:13:52.000 Actually, you could drink their blood, it's not real blood.

00:13:55.000 And then there's gonna be a bowl of full bars, and I've heard this runs you about 300 bucks, so I'm already at 800 bucks now.

00:14:02.000 We're talking Mars bars.

00:14:03.000 We're talking O'Henry's.

00:14:04.000 We're talking Twix.

00:14:06.000 All huge variety of full bars in a big bowl.

00:14:09.000 Now you have to make it from the gamut through these zombies, but they're not real zombies.

00:14:13.000 Zombies don't exist.

00:14:15.000 Hey, hey Millennials! 1.00

00:14:17.000 Zombies don't exist.

00:14:21.000 My brother and my brother-in-law grew up with zombies.

00:14:24.000 That whole generation, they grew up with zombies.

00:14:26.000 And every time we'd get a new apartment, one of them would come by, Uncle Mike or Uncle Kyle, and they'd look at it and they'd go,

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I mean, fire escape doesn't touch the ground.

00:14:37.000 It's pretty much zombie proof.

00:14:39.000 Unless they could come from that person's roof and get into your window there.

00:14:43.000 I said to my brother, okay, thanks for the tip.

00:14:47.000 Thanks for, I guess you're a consultant now?

00:14:49.000 Uh, I'm not concerned about zombies.

00:14:52.000 My generation, we're, I'm 48, so we're just before Freddy.

00:14:57.000 I'm not scared of Freddy. 1.00

00:14:58.000 He looks fucking stupid to me. 1.00

00:15:00.000 Just wake up. 1.00

00:15:01.000 He's in a dream.

00:15:03.000 Jason, on the other hand, that's the age I was.

00:15:07.000 And there's a lot of times when I'm walking around alone in the forest, like when I had a place upstate and I'd have to go get something, and I would just, I'd think, this is a perfect opportunity for Jason to sink an axe in the back of my head.

00:15:19.000 You know how you survive that, by the way?

00:15:21.000 You know how you get Jason away?

00:15:22.000 I don't know why this works, but you say something that could never be in a Friday the 13th movie.

00:15:29.000 Like, I like pickles in my ears.

00:15:31.000 So as you're walking through the forest, you say, Minnie Mouse is my best friend!

00:15:35.000 You know, things that would be incongruous in a scene where you'd see Jason.

00:15:40.000 Hey, remember when that guy from the Sex Pistols was a bank robber in Brazil after Johnny Rotten left?

00:15:46.000 He had a hanky on his head.

00:15:48.000 Hello boys, I like chocolate friends.

00:15:50.000 I'm dancing around with sparkles on my eyelashes.

00:15:53.000 What'd you say, that's a caterpillar?

00:15:55.000 Oh, wrong eyelash, I meant eyebrow.

00:15:57.000 Peek-a-loo! 0.99

00:15:59.000 And you just see Jason go, what the fuck, and sort of walk away. 0.98

00:16:02.000 But if you say something that could be in a Friday the 13th movie, like, um, hello? 0.99

00:16:09.000 Hello?

00:16:09.000 Is someone there?

00:16:11.000 You're getting a fucking chainsaw through your guts. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Or a hook. 1.00

00:16:15.000 Or something.

00:16:18.000 Anyway, uh, so I'm gonna have zombies in there.

00:16:20.000 All the millennials will be scared shitless and the Gen Xers will go, that's not a real thing.

00:16:25.000 Not that Jason's a real thing, he lived in a swamp. 0.92

00:16:28.000 Drain- we need Trump to go to Friday the 13th movies, drain the swamp, and then you just kill Jason, although I don't know how you kill Jason.

00:16:35.000 I believe Freddy had a fight with Jason, maybe in outer space?

00:16:38.000 Was that a movie?

00:16:39.000 Or maybe Predator?

00:16:40.000 And Jason had a fight.

00:16:43.000 I gotta watch those. 0.92

00:16:44.000 I haven't seen a really shitty movie in a long time. 0.94

00:16:47.000 Another spooky one from back then, by the way, is Black Christmas. 0.53

00:16:50.000 They remade it, but the original in 1983.

00:16:54.000 I used to pray to God for a time machine to go back so I could have not seen that movie and would leave the room.

00:17:02.000 The killer's in the attic.

00:17:04.000 Anyway,

00:17:07.000 So then you gotta run the gamut and then you can get the chocolate bars.

00:17:09.000 And I'm just gonna sit there like a bouncer.

00:17:11.000 And I don't care if there's... One guy last year, he's, first of all, he's like 15? 0.99

00:17:16.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:17:17.000 What are you doing here, dude? 1.00

00:17:18.000 You like bonbons?

00:17:21.000 And I said, what are you doing here?

00:17:22.000 You don't have a costume.

00:17:24.000 Meanwhile, I'm dressed like a werewolf as I am genuinely pissed off at this guy.

00:17:27.000 I have like fur glued to my face.

00:17:30.000 And I go, what are you doing?

00:17:32.000 Because he's desecrating the whole thing.

00:17:34.000 And it goes back, it's pre-Christianity Halloween. 0.68

00:17:38.000 It goes back to our fear of death.

00:17:39.000 It's got a long storied past.

00:17:42.000 By the way, speaking of cultural appropriation, with the, you know, you can't wear the Indian headdress or dress like a Mexican, aren't you guys stealing our pagan ritual? 0.99

00:17:50.000 Isn't, isn't you as a non-European, aren't you stealing, culturally appropriating my holiday? 0.99

00:17:56.000 Even Christians are appropriating it. 0.98

00:17:58.000 It's pre-Christian. 0.99

00:17:59.000 Anyway.

00:18:00.000 And I say to him, what are you doing?

00:18:03.000 You know, he does, he pulls out a mask from his bag.

00:18:04.000 He goes, oh, it was too hot.

00:18:05.000 This guy's my height. 1.00

00:18:08.000 And he's got, even the mask, it's one of those stupid scream masks that are like a buck. 1.00

00:18:13.000 I go, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:18:15.000 I shoved him out the door. 0.99

00:18:17.000 He was laughing like I was kidding.

00:18:19.000 Sometimes I can be so mean that people think I'm doing a character.

00:18:24.000 No, dude.

00:18:25.000 Gavin McInnes is pissed at you for not wearing a mask.

00:18:30.000 So this year, anyway, yeah.

00:18:31.000 I'm just gonna not, and if it's a group of five, and two have really good costumes, and three don't, sorry.

00:18:37.000 You even get kids coming from the, a few neighborhoods down the street.

00:18:42.000 They get dropped off in my fancy neighborhood, because the candy's better, which I'm fine with.

00:18:45.000 That's, that doesn't violate any of the rules.

00:18:48.000 But you can't just show up, and we got these black kids coming from the PJs, in their PJs. 1.00

00:18:54.000 No no no no no no no. 0.98

00:18:57.000 It's fine you want to commute.

00:18:58.000 There's no law against commuting.

00:19:00.000 But you have to have a costume on.

00:19:02.000 What is this?

00:19:03.000 Just a free candy heist?

00:19:05.000 Absolutely not.

00:19:07.000 Now I know what you're saying.

00:19:08.000 You're saying, Gav, what if there's a four-year-old who has a perfect Deadpool costume?

00:19:14.000 You're gonna send him into a room with zombies?

00:19:16.000 He's never gonna go.

00:19:17.000 Great point.

00:19:19.000 I have a plan for that.

00:19:20.000 A contingency.

00:19:21.000 If there's a little kid

00:19:24.000 Like a five-year-old who has a great costume.

00:19:27.000 By the way, my five-year-old wants to be Jason.

00:19:30.000 We've come full circle on that.

00:19:31.000 And my wife won't let him.

00:19:33.000 Because she thinks it will look like we let him watch Friday the 13th, which no one will think.

00:19:39.000 Don't worry guys, I'll push it through.

00:19:41.000 It's sort of like a corrupt police force here.

00:19:45.000 The chief can say no to things, but I'm a top lieutenant here.

00:19:50.000 You're getting a gun.

00:19:51.000 Don't worry, you're getting your badge back.

00:19:53.000 He's gonna be Jason.

00:19:54.000 But anyway, yeah, I will go and I'll hold the kid with my right arm, and he can bring his mom, and I will push through the zombies for him, get the full bar, plop it in his bag, come back.

00:20:09.000 How many bars do you think I should get?

00:20:10.000 I think it should be three full salad bowls of bars.

00:20:19.000 Yeah, that sounds about right.

00:20:20.000 Whatever 300 bucks is.

00:20:21.000 It ends up being pretty expensive.

00:20:24.000 Like, I go to town on Christmas, and I go to town on Halloween, and that'll run you a thousand bucks a time with the signs and the decorations and the lights and everything.

00:20:35.000 Gets pricey.

00:20:37.000 But you get it, you get it.

00:20:39.000 Christmas is better because you get to have all those decorations up for a month.

00:20:43.000 Halloween is really just a night. 0.99

00:20:44.000 Although my neighbors have already started putting shit up, which I'm not okay with. 0.98

00:20:49.000 You gotta wait till... I was gonna say you have to wait till Thanksgiving, but that's after. 0.97

00:20:53.000 What the fuck am I talking about? 0.99

00:20:58.000 For Christmas you have to wait for Thanksgiving, that's the deal. 0.99

00:21:03.000 What else is in the news?

00:21:04.000 I had a conversation I'm reluctant to discuss with one of the founders of a crew called DMS and his name was Scott Ebanks and I tread lightly when I discuss this crew.

00:21:19.000 I don't even want to call them a gang because they are no joke and their guys go to jail and they are

00:21:28.000 I'm not going to say involved in crime, but you know what I mean.

00:21:30.000 They're a gang of tough gentlemen who enjoy a good scrap.

00:21:36.000 But I gotta tell this story anyway, and I'm not going to disparage them in any way, shape, or form.

00:21:41.000 I mean, they're the kind of guys where if you have a DMS tattoo and you're not in DMS, they'll cut it off.

00:21:48.000 So, to make a long story short, the other podcast when I was talking about how hardcore bands are funny,

00:21:55.000 I was mostly talking about Sick of it All, who are hilarious, but I mentioned Sheer Terror. 1.00

00:22:01.000 And I said, dude, Paul is funny.

00:22:05.000 He gets wind of this.

00:22:06.000 I don't think he heard what I said.

00:22:07.000 And he says, we heard that Gavin McInnes and Proud Boys want to come to our shows.

00:22:12.000 They're not welcome at our shows. 1.00

00:22:13.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

00:22:14.000 Fuck them. 1.00

00:22:17.000 That's kind of rich. 1.00

00:22:19.000 So I think gentlemen in my club were saying, started wearing sheer terror shirts and stuff just to, you know, antagonize him. 0.95

00:22:27.000 Which isn't fucking with DMS. 1.00

00:22:29.000 That's just sort of teasing a guy who said fuck you. 1.00

00:22:33.000 Which maybe we shouldn't even have done. 1.00

00:22:34.000 But to be clear here, I keep having to reiterate what this is.

00:22:38.000 Proud Boys are like the Elks Lodge.

00:22:40.000 They're like the Shriners. 0.99

00:22:41.000 It's mostly a beer club.

00:22:43.000 In fact, we really glommed on to Brett Kavanaugh because he said, I like beer about seven times in his hearing.

00:22:51.000 That's what we do.

00:22:52.000 Now we do like to fight occasionally, only we don't pick fights.

00:22:56.000 We don't deal drugs.

00:22:57.000 We don't get involved in crime.

00:22:59.000 We love the cops.

00:23:00.000 So think of us as Knights of Columbus, and yes, there have been some brawls at rallies.

00:23:05.000 Those were because we started, I think it started when I got pepper-sprayed.

00:23:09.000 Proud Boys started saying, let's, if one of our guys or someone we like, like Lauren Southern or even Jordan B. Peterson or Ben Shapiro, someone who we don't even have that much in common with because he hates Trump, if they're doing a talk, we'll go with them and fight for those guys' rights to say things.

00:23:24.000 That's part of, like, being a patriot.

00:23:26.000 You know?

00:23:27.000 But, you know, no racism, no antisemitism, blah blah blah, no Nazis allowed, multicultural.

00:23:35.000 It's funny how the right, the left is so determined to call you a white supremacist that they are now calling our black members white supremacists.

00:23:45.000 Like at the Griffin, this bar in LA, these proud boys show up and they go, 0.98

00:23:53.000 Uh, some comedian loser says, get these guys out of here. 0.93

00:23:56.000 Why are you allowing Nazis into their, into your bar? 0.99

00:23:59.000 And the bouncer goes, cause he has eyeballs, he goes, they're not, how, you guys are all white and the guys you're calling Nazis are mostly black and Hispanic. 0.87

00:24:07.000 There's only like a few white guys with them.

00:24:09.000 And then the response to that was, why are you defending them?

00:24:14.000 Okay.

00:24:15.000 I'll get them out of here. 0.66

00:24:17.000 Which is a very dumb thing to do because California has crazy laws about politics and the service industry. 0.95

00:24:26.000 So it's one of the only states there are where you could go into an IHOP dressed as Hitler and say, hi, I'm a Nazi, and they have to serve you pancakes. 0.86

00:24:37.000 Now the irony of this law, and I've mentioned this before, but the irony of this law is it was designed in the 50s to protect communists, because communists were being banned from establishments.

00:24:47.000 So they said, new law, you can't ban a guy for his politics. 0.99

00:24:50.000 So the Griffin did, so they're about to get a whole load of shit. 0.99

00:24:55.000 But, so I hear the guy, Scott Ebanks, 0.99

00:25:00.000 Challenged me to debate, and I'm like dude.

00:25:03.000 We're probably on the same page That's the frustrating thing like sharp skins skinheads against racial prejudice have started this big war and you go What do we disagree with I mean if you're a communist I disagree with you, but uh So does everyone's with any kind of a Google access hates communists and as I said on the other show

00:25:26.000 You talk about white genocide and genocide all the time.

00:25:29.000 It's happened about seven world leaders have tried it.

00:25:33.000 Never worked out well for them, by the way.

00:25:35.000 And they were all socialists.

00:25:39.000 So, you're the guys who who bandy around the genocide term and are responsible for it. 0.97

00:25:47.000 But even if, you know, you disagree with someone, what's with all this fucking street warring? 0.92

00:25:53.000 And I probably agree with the sheer terror guy about everything. 0.95

00:25:57.000 And all those old hardcore dudes, especially New Yorkers, they are the biggest victims of political- I shouldn't say victims, I don't like that word- the biggest targets of the politically correct mob.

00:26:09.000 And it's unique in New York City because we are rude people.

00:26:15.000 And it's sort of like how cops- you know how a cop will see a dead body a day?

00:26:19.000 First of all, there's a murder a day in New York, but there's also a suicide a day on the subways.

00:26:25.000 No one talks about it because they don't want any copycats, but it doesn't work.

00:26:29.000 Every time your train is delayed in New York, someone killed themselves.

00:26:31.000 And NYPD have to pick up those bodies.

00:26:34.000 There's not a special body crew.

00:26:35.000 That's cops.

00:26:36.000 They have to pick up an arm and put it in a bag.

00:26:39.000 And so these cops become kind of macabre.

00:26:43.000 And they will hold up a human head and say, hey, it kind of does feel like a bowling ball.

00:26:48.000 Now, if you're to enforce political correctness on those cops, and they are doing that, these cops don't have a release, and they become a pressure cooker, and they kill themselves.

00:26:57.000 And I'm still accruing the data on this, but I've noticed just from talking to my cop friends, that suicide is on the rise in the NYPD.

00:27:06.000 And I think it's linked to this policing their behavior, and making sure everything they do is not offensive.

00:27:13.000 And that expands out to New Yorkers in general.

00:27:16.000 When you're packed in this close, you have to make- you have to have a dark sense of humor.

00:27:21.000 You have to see a human turd on the ground and find it amusing.

00:27:25.000 You have to think it's funny when a guy's barfing or a junkie's lying in the middle of the road.

00:27:28.000 You have to find that amusing or you'll cry. 1.00

00:27:30.000 And also, to get these junkies off your back and all these violent assholes everywhere, you gotta start to be a dick. 1.00

00:27:36.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:27:37.000 And I noticed that in London, and I've lived in New York for 20 years, I've taken on this survival instinct. 1.00

00:27:44.000 So as the fans are pushing in on Tommy Robinson, I'm going, fuck off! 1.00

00:27:50.000 Get the fuck out of my face! 1.00

00:27:52.000 To people that are my, you know, political equals. 0.99

00:27:56.000 We have the same opinions on Tommy and everything going on in Britain. 1.00

00:27:59.000 And I'm telling them to fuck off. 1.00

00:28:01.000 Because that's just what you do. 1.00

00:28:02.000 And I saw them sort of recoil, like, what?

00:28:04.000 Are you not with Tommy?

00:28:05.000 I'm with Tommy.

00:28:06.000 I go, yeah, you're also squishing me. 1.00

00:28:07.000 Fuck off! 1.00

00:28:10.000 You can see in my interview with Ezra Levin on Rebel, there's this blonde-haired woman with a Louis Vuitton bag and she just got her phone right up in my grill. 1.00

00:28:17.000 And I go, get the fucking phone out of my face! 0.99

00:28:19.000 And she goes, oh my god! 1.00

00:28:21.000 So vrood!

00:28:23.000 You are so vrood!

00:28:25.000 And she, I told you this already, this story, but she followed me for like ten minutes with her phone, documenting how vrood I am.

00:28:31.000 I still feel the same way, lady. 1.00

00:28:33.000 Fuck off! 1.00

00:28:35.000 So, that's why the whole Paul Bear thing, sheer terror thing, I didn't understand it, because I'm like, guys, we're on the same fucking page about everything. 1.00

00:28:45.000 I'm sure there's not one thing that any member of DMS has ever said that I don't agree with.

00:28:50.000 And I still think they're funny dudes.

00:28:52.000 And I have nothing but respect for them.

00:28:53.000 So anyways, that Scott guy says, I challenge you to a debate.

00:28:57.000 And he goes, why are you appropriating my skinhead culture? 0.63

00:28:59.000 He's a black guy. 0.64

00:29:01.000 And I'm not appropriating. 0.87

00:29:04.000 We don't dress like skinheads.

00:29:05.000 Fred Perry's.

00:29:06.000 Yes, some skinheads wore them.

00:29:08.000 Nazi and the good guys. 0.87

00:29:11.000 So did tennis players.

00:29:11.000 So did mods.

00:29:14.000 In fact, if we were

00:29:16.000 Doing anything with the Fred Perry's, it was more of a mod thing.

00:29:19.000 It was more of a... You know, the mods were working class guys in Britain who wanted to look nice.

00:29:25.000 They wanted to look like fifties American preppies.

00:29:28.000 And so, they would spend what little money they had on a sweater vest and a tie.

00:29:32.000 Even the whole parka thing that they wear, that was to keep the... This was pre-catalytic converters in Britain, so you'd get soot and dirt on you when you rode a scooter.

00:29:42.000 So they would wear these big American military parkas to cover their suits so they wouldn't get their suits dirty running their Vespas So you can might as well say it's an appropriation of that although I don't even believe in appropriation every subculture is a hybrid Even the mods even the punks.

00:29:57.000 It was a an evolution of glam There's no such thing as a fresh look and I like that.

00:30:03.000 I like that about art

00:30:05.000 That, you know, everyone was mimicking someone else.

00:30:07.000 David Letterman was doing Johnny Carson.

00:30:10.000 Jimmy Kimmel was doing David Letterman.

00:30:13.000 They're all, you know, mimicking their idols. 0.99

00:30:17.000 Did you know the damned single, New Rose? 0.91

00:30:20.000 It's called the first punk single ever, and I talked to Rats Gabies about this, and I said, um, I said, uh, uh, you guys, everyone thinks punk was started in New York, but you guys were the first single. 0.96

00:30:34.000 And he goes, no, mate, we got it from New York.

00:30:37.000 And I said, but this was 76.

00:30:38.000 New York hadn't released any punk singles.

00:30:41.000 They were just playing shows.

00:30:42.000 No one was on vinyl yet.

00:30:45.000 How could you have heard it?

00:30:46.000 And he goes, we didn't hear it.

00:30:47.000 We read about it in the zine, Punk, that someone brought from New York.

00:30:52.000 So we just sort of gleaned what it probably sounded like.

00:30:56.000 It would say fast beats and fast songs and kind of scary lyrics, spooky voice.

00:31:02.000 He said, all right, let's do it.

00:31:03.000 I got a new rose.

00:31:04.000 I got a good do-do-do-do.

00:31:06.000 And I knew that I always would do-do-do-do.

00:31:07.000 There's a brand new rose in town.

00:31:10.000 I was just based on reading an article on what punk probably sounded like.

00:31:14.000 That's... See what I mean?

00:31:16.000 It's always trying to do something else.

00:31:18.000 This isn't really a good example of that, but I can't resist crowbarring it into the story, but I heard that Ozzie and Black Sabbath, they were above a horror theater.

00:31:28.000 And they said, let's make scary music.

00:31:33.000 You know, like a horror movie, but music.

00:31:36.000 Kind of makes the songs comical, doesn't it?

00:31:47.000 Now you're trying to scare me, dude?

00:31:50.000 I'm not eight.

00:31:52.000 Although it worked.

00:31:53.000 I talked to some Brits who were my age and they said the Clash were the Clash.

00:31:57.000 No one really... I mean they were good.

00:31:59.000 Everyone liked them but the Sex Pistols were the first and I was 12 at the time and I was fucking scared shitless.

00:32:06.000 I mean we all were. 0.97

00:32:07.000 All little kids thought Johnny Rotten was gonna come out from under your bed.

00:32:12.000 I mean he was the boogeyman. 1.00

00:32:14.000 We didn't know what the fuck was going on with them. 1.00

00:32:16.000 They were just like evil monsters who were really scary. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Hello.

00:32:23.000 The councils.

00:32:25.000 They ban our concerts and they take our money.

00:32:29.000 I knew this.

00:32:30.000 You remember Tony Buzcock, the guy I told you about before, who isn't my friend anymore because I wouldn't let him bring his rescue pitbulls over to my house?

00:32:37.000 Awesome guy besides that one thing.

00:32:38.000 I'm totally fine with breaking up because I'm not changing that rule.

00:32:41.000 But he worked with Leiden.

00:32:43.000 He did all the sound production for Pill.

00:32:46.000 And I said, I was stealing my friend Dan's adjectives, but I said, how do you hang out with a guy who acts like a sexy squirrel all the time?

00:32:56.000 He's always like, hello, mm, oh, you're reading a novel, are you?

00:33:01.000 Getting more educated.

00:33:03.000 Ooh, turning page after page.

00:33:07.000 Can you just relax?

00:33:08.000 And he goes, that's not an act, dude.

00:33:10.000 That's who he is.

00:33:12.000 Like, you'll have tea at his house, and he'd be like, would you like some sugar in your tea?

00:33:19.000 Everything is an intense sentence.

00:33:24.000 Anyway, so I call the dude, Scott.

00:33:26.000 Awesome guy.

00:33:28.000 Just got out of jail for 20 years.

00:33:30.000 And I'm trying to say to him, we're not a gang, we're a drinking club.

00:33:32.000 But then I was thinking, we do seem to be going to jail a lot.

00:33:36.000 I mean, I spend so much of my time talking to lawyers, raising money for lawyers, getting guys out of jail.

00:33:42.000 I got this guy, this Canadian, who was busted in DC fighting a Palestinian dude who picked a fight with him, and that guy got beat up later, and now he's facing hate crime charges, even though he was there for Israel.

00:33:56.000 Some other guy...

00:33:58.000 Tommy was stabbed these dudes and he was facing 20 years and then we had to you know work with the lawyers raise money for him and then find out that we have CCTV of him being attacked he's only defending himself after being attacked about 10 times by Antifa another knifing going on in Virginia I mean lots of stabbings and trials so it is

00:34:20.000 It is, uh, just a drinking club, but it's so big, so vast, and it seems to be disproportionately working class, that there's plenty of trouble. 1.00

00:34:32.000 And I don't know of one case where Proud Boys were the instigators.

00:34:36.000 There may have been, but in every single one, it was self-defense, and we live in a world now where any kind of conflict doesn't have to be a fight.

00:34:45.000 It is, uh,

00:34:47.000 It is assault.

00:34:48.000 Like, this woman at the airport I told you about a long time ago, who was harassing me, taking pictures of me, calling me a Nazi, and I'm with my kids, and I touch her arm as she walks by, and I go, you OK?

00:34:58.000 You're all right.

00:34:59.000 Because I started filming her.

00:35:00.000 I told you this story before.

00:35:01.000 I started filming her, and I said, what's your problem?

00:35:03.000 You got a problem here?

00:35:04.000 Have I said something?

00:35:05.000 Is there a sentence I've said that you disagree with?

00:35:07.000 And she goes, just go! 0.76

00:35:08.000 You're making a woman cry! 1.00

00:35:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:35:12.000 And then as she walks by me later, I do that touch of an arm where you go,

00:35:16.000 You okay?

00:35:17.000 You alright?

00:35:18.000 I mean, I was being sarcastic and facetious, but it was a kind of touch where, you know, if you're at a school dance and a teacher would come over and say, are you guys still- are you asleep?

00:35:27.000 That kind of a touch, not like a grab.

00:35:29.000 And she- second my fingertips touch her- her shirt, she goes, that's assault! 1.00

00:35:35.000 And she goes and gets a fucking security guy. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Who, believe it or not, doesn't press charges. 0.99

00:35:42.000 Anyway, that's a long-

00:35:43.000 Tangent, but, um, I talked to the guy and I said, you know, I'm not racist, blah blah blah, I don't know why we have beef, you guys are a totally different thing, totally different pastime.

00:35:52.000 We have nothing in common as far as what we do, and then as far as ideology goes, we're the same.

00:35:59.000 Exactly the same.

00:36:00.000 You hate communists, you hate political correctness.

00:36:03.000 What, what are we disagree- I don't understand.

00:36:05.000 I said sheer terror was funny, and now my friends can't go to those shows?

00:36:08.000 That's... funny. 1.00

00:36:11.000 And, uh, he said, uh, he said, look, I know you're cool, but a lot of your boys, man, they're saying shit. 0.99

00:36:18.000 And I go, then they're not my boys. 0.99

00:36:20.000 If they're saying like the Holocaust didn't happen or something, buh-bye.

00:36:25.000 And there's a million reasons for that. 0.99

00:36:27.000 The biggest one is black conservatives get crapped on every Thanksgiving. 1.00

00:36:32.000 Tommy Sotomayor was disinvited from his family's Thanksgiving. 1.00

00:36:37.000 And the guy that replaced him is a pedophile. 1.00

00:36:42.000 So in the black community, having fucked a 12-year-old isn't as bad as being a Trump guy. 1.00

00:36:48.000 Anyway, so these guys are pariahs in their own communities, ostracized by their parents, their friends, their relatives, people at work, way worse than us. 1.00

00:36:58.000 I mean, I'm a pariah in my neighborhood, but it's a very liberal neighborhood in New York.

00:37:03.000 And even then, I get people coming up to me going, what are you doing out here, man?

00:37:06.000 Love your work, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:06.000 I do fine.

00:37:08.000 And my family- my parents adore me. 0.76

00:37:10.000 But it's much worse with- for black conservatives. 0.97

00:37:12.000 So, after they finally go on this gulag, they make this pilgrimage, and then they end up hanging out at our drinking club, it's totally unacceptable to me that, after all that, they would still face animosity from some racist douche. 0.98

00:37:26.000 No way is that happening.

00:37:28.000 It's a safe haven.

00:37:29.000 It's a trigger- it's a safe space.

00:37:32.000 Proud Boys is a safe space. 0.99

00:37:34.000 For black tr- for- for black hoteps. 1.00

00:37:38.000 Anyway, I'm saying that to him, and then he goes, you boys, man, I don't know, and they say some shit, and I go, okay, what did they say? 0.99

00:37:44.000 And one of them was like, time to get over slavery, that was 400 years ago. 0.99

00:37:48.000 And I go, I kind of agree with that.

00:37:51.000 And, I'm not disparaging Mr. Ebanks, and lots of black leaders say the same thing.

00:37:58.000 Jesse Jackson says the same thing.

00:38:01.000 Malcolm X said the same thing.

00:38:02.000 Move on from slavery, don't let it hinder you. 0.99

00:38:05.000 Fucking Snoop Dogg, who is a racist towards whites and was on Farrakhan's album, he thinks slavery is... He talks about... He says all people who like Trump are racist. 1.00

00:38:18.000 Fuck them. 1.00

00:38:19.000 Don't come to my shows. 1.00

00:38:20.000 That's how far to the BLM side he is.

00:38:23.000 And even he says, I don't like seeing things like roots.

00:38:26.000 Move on.

00:38:26.000 Why are they dwelling in the past?

00:38:28.000 So my point is, it's not an esoteric thing to say.

00:38:31.000 It's definitely not a racist thing to say.

00:38:35.000 And that's a disagreement.

00:38:38.000 It's almost like a philosophical disagreement.

00:38:41.000 One group says slavery is still hurting blacks today.

00:38:45.000 I totally understand that argument, and it's a valid argument.

00:38:47.000 And many of my friends, like Ann Coulter, supports it.

00:38:52.000 It's not even a right or a left thing.

00:38:54.000 It's kind of like pro-life and pro-choice when they say it's a male-female thing.

00:38:57.000 No, 50% of women are pro-life.

00:38:59.000 So it's an ethical discussion about when a thing is a viable human.

00:39:03.000 It's not, you're not anti-woman if you're anti-abortion.

00:39:07.000 Because, again, about half of the anti-abortionists are women.

00:39:12.000 So get it out of the chick thing. 1.00

00:39:15.000 Pro-life people don't hate women. 1.00

00:39:17.000 And by the way, there's a great argument for pro-lifers that it's actually better for girls because we are now getting into gender-selective abortions, especially with immigrants where they're coming from a culture where men are much more valuable, like Indians. 0.93

00:39:33.000 Look up this Hindu couple in Canada who just had an abortion because it was a girl.

00:39:39.000 That's called gendercide. 1.00

00:39:41.000 And you're going to start seeing more, as the technology gets better, you're going to see more people from primitive cultures, and a lot of India is pretty primitive, saying no to girls. 1.00

00:39:51.000 So literally murdering female babies. 0.99

00:39:54.000 So in that sense, the feminists should be on the pro-life side. 1.00

00:40:00.000 Any hizzle.

00:40:01.000 That's how minor I see that disagreement.

00:40:03.000 It should definitely not lead to some sort of violent beef.

00:40:07.000 That's a good name for a band, Violent Beef.

00:40:10.000 Um, and I talked to the guy for a while and I begged him to come on the show.

00:40:13.000 He's not sure he wants to anymore. 0.99

00:40:15.000 But I think, fuck all the disagreements with communism and beef with sheer terror and all that silliness. 0.98

00:40:21.000 What's really interesting about this guy is, well, first that punk rock and hardcore saved his life and gave him a culture. 0.99

00:40:30.000 And I've seen that happen quite a few times.

00:40:32.000 And by the way, it's happened to a lot of Proud Boys who were going down a dark route and now are married and have a kid and a job and a trade.

00:40:38.000 Um,

00:40:39.000 But also that he went to jail for 20 years for a crime he didn't commit.

00:40:42.000 There's the fascinating story right there.

00:40:47.000 Here's an even crazier part.

00:40:49.000 In Britain, he would have been guilty.

00:40:51.000 Now I'll take a few steps back.

00:40:52.000 This is the story as I can tell.

00:40:55.000 He's in Washington Square Park.

00:40:56.000 It's 1990.

00:40:57.000 That's still basically the 80s. 1.00

00:40:59.000 And New York is a fucking violent shithole. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Super dangerous. 1.00

00:41:05.000 If you're in the punk scene or anything, and you're hanging around that, junkies everywhere.

00:41:09.000 Lineups around the block for heroin.

00:41:12.000 They would deal- I've interviewed heroin dealers who would get, um, what's it called?

00:41:18.000 Rigor mortis?

00:41:19.000 No, it's not rigor mortis.

00:41:20.000 What's that thing you get when your arm gets all stiff from doing the same thing?

00:41:25.000 There's something about doing a podcast or a show where you will forget, like, your dad's name.

00:41:25.000 Jesus.

00:41:31.000 You have no recall.

00:41:32.000 I don't understand what it is.

00:41:33.000 The second I turn this off, I'll go, of course!

00:41:36.000 It was delirium tremor rigor mortis!

00:41:39.000 But anyway, it's that thing you get.

00:41:40.000 Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue!

00:41:43.000 And I know you at home are listening going, 1.00

00:41:44.000 Hey, moron. 1.00

00:41:45.000 It's called tetanus syndrome. 1.00

00:41:48.000 What the hell is it called?

00:41:49.000 Touretnes? 1.00

00:41:50.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Every time I do a podcast like this, I get a hundred messages on Instagram and, well, not Twitter anymore, going, dude, you were talking about Mary Worth. 1.00

00:42:00.000 That was the soap opera star.

00:42:01.000 Anyway.

00:42:04.000 Delirium tremens?

00:42:06.000 Tourettes syndrome? 0.99

00:42:07.000 God damn, that's driving me nuts. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Anyway, they would get that thing from dealing heroin. 0.99

00:42:14.000 Because they were taking a hundred, giving out a bundle.

00:42:17.000 Taking a hundred, giving out a bundle.

00:42:18.000 Taking a hundred, giving out a bundle.

00:42:20.000 For hours!

00:42:23.000 Until it gave them that thing that you get with your wrist that hurts that typists and tree planters and other people get. 0.99

00:42:31.000 Goddamn, that's gonna drive me nuts! 0.97

00:42:34.000 Do I have to stop this podcast and look it up? 0.98

00:42:37.000 Is that unentertaining?

00:42:39.000 Thing you get with your wrist.

00:42:43.000 Tired?

00:42:46.000 Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

00:42:48.000 Sorry, guys.

00:42:50.000 I apologize.

00:42:51.000 I will warn you, though, if you're a youngster, you're gonna get like this.

00:42:55.000 You're gonna forget bands. 0.97

00:42:56.000 Every time I hang out with my dad or any of his friends, it's always like, yes, well, that was a long time ago, and there was a popular film star at the time who, oh, fuck, what was his name? 0.85

00:43:09.000 Stay, stay, and then the whole table will be like, Steve McQueen? 0.82

00:43:15.000 No, no, no, it may have been a, and I'm just like, hey, geriatrics.

00:43:19.000 Let's skip the name of the guy and continue with the story.

00:43:22.000 I don't care who he was.

00:43:23.000 I don't care if it was in Luxembourg.

00:43:25.000 Just a European city, got it?

00:43:27.000 Let's move on, please.

00:43:28.000 You're killing the whole momentum.

00:43:31.000 As I just did with carpal tunnel syndrome.

00:43:32.000 But anyway, that was New York back then.

00:43:34.000 And there'd be a line up around the block, around this, some abandoned, you know, uh, brownstone.

00:43:40.000 Or, or even building, like six floor building.

00:43:43.000 And you'd go, there'd be a line up, all junkies lining up all the way up the stairs.

00:43:47.000 And then these, these drug dealers, they had more money than they knew what to deal with.

00:43:51.000 They would have a thing called a money room.

00:43:53.000 Which is like the smallest room in your apartment, filled floor to ceiling with money.

00:43:59.000 Because they're Puerto Ricans. 0.99

00:44:01.000 So they're not into yachting.

00:44:02.000 They don't like going fox hunting.

00:44:05.000 They don't play golf in Scotland.

00:44:07.000 They don't have very expensive tastes.

00:44:09.000 So they buy their mom a Chevy S10 Blazer or whatever, or even a Range Rover. 1.00

00:44:14.000 Buy their mom an insane car, which is a pain in the ass now because you're in the Lower East Side and parking is a bitch. 1.00

00:44:19.000 You buy a Jesus piece, which is a giant gold Jesus head with a bunch of diamonds on it. 1.00

00:44:24.000 That's 40 grand.

00:44:25.000 Alright, what do I do with my other million?

00:44:27.000 Just sits there.

00:44:28.000 You go out to the strip club?

00:44:30.000 Okay.

00:44:31.000 That's 10,000 bucks for you and all your friends to get wasted in bottle service and 50 songs each.

00:44:37.000 And get laid. 0.56

00:44:38.000 I'm sure there was prostitution back then. 0.99

00:44:40.000 That's still maybe an hour's work.

00:44:43.000 And you don't feel like going to the strip club every single night.

00:44:45.000 Anyway.

00:44:46.000 So that's what New York was like when Scott was running around with these guys.

00:44:50.000 And, um...

00:44:52.000 A fight breaks out, you have to fight back when a fight breaks out.

00:44:56.000 You know, when you live in that culture, and I never did, just for the record.

00:44:59.000 I was always middle class. 0.99

00:45:01.000 You get called a bitch, that's it. 0.99

00:45:02.000 It's the same as prison. 1.00

00:45:03.000 It's essentially prison culture bleeding out into normal free culture, and that is, don't ever let anyone call you a bitch, or even appear weak, or now you're going to be a target. 0.98

00:45:15.000 Like Nicole Dufresne, God bless her cotton socks. 1.00

00:45:18.000 She's coming back from our local bar, Max Fish.

00:45:20.000 This was probably 2001.

00:45:21.000 This kid named Rudy Fleming.

00:45:23.000 Black kid. 0.86

00:45:24.000 He stole his uncle's gun. 0.99

00:45:26.000 And he's just robbing some hipsters.

00:45:27.000 Robbing some yuppies.

00:45:29.000 Give them the money, guys. 0.99

00:45:30.000 And she's got that feminist arrogance. 1.00

00:45:33.000 And she goes to Rudy, What are you gonna do, bitch? 1.00

00:45:36.000 Shoot me? 1.00

00:45:37.000 Guess what happened to Nicole. 1.00

00:45:39.000 She's dead now.

00:45:41.000 Her husband, or her boyfriend, sorry, had an African rope-burning ceremony with Bangos and African people singing African songs, I presume in Patois, to commemorate her death so it wouldn't exacerbate any racial tensions.

00:45:58.000 Nice priorities.

00:45:59.000 There's one thing you want to do when a black kid kills your girlfriend in point-blank range, shoots her through the chest, is make sure the African community is well represented at her funeral, and you follow African rituals. 0.99

00:46:09.000 No, I'm not kidding. 0.99

00:46:10.000 Look it up. 0.99

00:46:11.000 He burned a rope, which is, I guess, something they do in fucking the Congo. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Anyway, so I think a fight started. 0.99

00:46:20.000 Scott fights the guy, but in the melee, someone else was stabbed to death.

00:46:27.000 By someone else.

00:46:29.000 It may have even been the guy he was fighting, but he didn't stab anyone.

00:46:32.000 Boom.

00:46:32.000 20 years in prison.

00:46:33.000 1990, just got out.

00:46:34.000 20 years is my whole life.

00:46:43.000 In 1990, I had dreads. 0.99

00:46:46.000 I was a vegetarian environmentalist who had only had stupid gas station jobs. 0.99

00:46:53.000 I hadn't even gone tree planting yet. 0.99

00:46:55.000 The idea of starting Vice was four years away.

00:46:57.000 I was a bike messenger. 0.99

00:47:00.000 I was an imbecile. 0.98

00:47:02.000 I didn't know anything at all. 1.00

00:47:04.000 I wore a communist pin, I believe.

00:47:06.000 I think I had a linen pin on my punk coat.

00:47:10.000 Um, and then 40, you know, then you're old.

00:47:13.000 You're kind of done at 40.

00:47:15.000 You should have kids and be married by then.

00:47:17.000 You've had all your experiences.

00:47:19.000 You don't want to travel after that.

00:47:21.000 So that's all in prison for him.

00:47:25.000 Now, I call that innocent.

00:47:27.000 It's called a fistfight. 0.74

00:47:28.000 You don't go to jail for 20 years for a fistfight, no matter what happened in the melee.

00:47:33.000 You don't have a knife in your hand, you didn't stab anyone.

00:47:35.000 The end.

00:47:36.000 So that was incredibly unjust.

00:47:38.000 That's why I'd like to get him on the show.

00:47:40.000 And anything else that DMS has a beef with is just a misunderstanding.

00:47:46.000 Why can't we have beef with- Like, I like the beef with Antifa.

00:47:48.000 That makes sense.

00:47:49.000 Gotcha.

00:47:50.000 I like the beef with jihadists. 0.97

00:47:52.000 Good God, I mean, I'm scared of getting killed by them, but at least it's justified. 0.98

00:47:56.000 And I like having beef with communists. 0.98

00:47:58.000 Yeah, you guys are responsible for 100 million deaths.

00:48:00.000 I like having beef with social justice warriors.

00:48:02.000 Yeah, you guys get people fired for things that you got wrong, for fake news.

00:48:07.000 You're wrecking the country.

00:48:08.000 Those are all valid beefs.

00:48:10.000 But beefs with things like Sharps, and DMS, and FSU, and all these other guys, doesn't make any sense.

00:48:17.000 It's like we're on the same page.

00:48:20.000 What do we disagree on, exactly?

00:48:23.000 Disagree about.

00:48:24.000 But here's the crazy part about his case.

00:48:27.000 That is totally legit in the UK now.

00:48:32.000 Joint enterprise, it's called.

00:48:35.000 And if you are with a group that commits a murder, the whole group does time.

00:48:38.000 Now, of course they don't enforce this on the Muslims.

00:48:41.000 They literally have a get-out-of-jail-free card.

00:48:44.000 It's a get-out-of-jail-free book.

00:48:46.000 It's called the Quran.

00:48:48.000 And so they don't get lumped in with the gang.

00:48:50.000 And ironically, I think that would be a good solution to terrorism, like they do in India. 1.00

00:48:54.000 When there's a suicide bomber, the whole family is sent to Pakistan or wherever they're from.

00:48:59.000 Probably Pakistan. 1.00

00:49:00.000 Or maybe they're just sent to Pakistan.

00:49:01.000 They have to leave the country. 0.66

00:49:02.000 The entire family.

00:49:03.000 Cousins, uncles, aunts, everything.

00:49:05.000 That's how it should go here.

00:49:07.000 We had the guy who did the Pulse shooting.

00:49:12.000 His dad was at Hillary rallies the next day.

00:49:13.000 We see him at rallies holding up I'm with Hillary things, which was actually good for Trump. 0.99

00:49:19.000 But why the fuck is he walking around? 0.99

00:49:21.000 That was your son! 1.00

00:49:22.000 I had no idea.

00:49:23.000 I had no idea, man.

00:49:26.000 Too bad, then.

00:49:28.000 You have to be curious.

00:49:29.000 And if we had a thing where every family member was instantly extradited, and I don't know how far to make this, like is it second cousins?

00:49:36.000 I don't know.

00:49:37.000 Immediate family for sure.

00:49:39.000 Siblings, yep.

00:49:40.000 Siblings, parents, yes.

00:49:42.000 Cousins, get back to me on that.

00:49:44.000 Probably.

00:49:46.000 But then you have moderate Muslims going, so what's going on with Rashad?

00:49:52.000 He was acting a little weird the other day.

00:49:54.000 And isn't he going to that controversial mosque? 1.00

00:49:57.000 He better not get me fucking extradited or you're dead. 0.99

00:50:00.000 I gotta look into this, see what's up with him. 0.99

00:50:03.000 You know, that's the only solution to terrorism, really, is we need Muslims on our side.

00:50:08.000 I know moderate Muslims are not terrorists, thank you.

00:50:10.000 But I would like a little more participation, please.

00:50:14.000 And, you know, you have ex-Muslims in Britain getting arrested, the SPLC is putting them on a hate crime list.

00:50:21.000 That guy sued, by the way, and won seven million.

00:50:23.000 But you hear Muslims in Britain go up to, like, the Tommy Robinsons of the world and say,

00:50:29.000 I'd love to get involved, mate.

00:50:30.000 I mean, it's really bad what's going on in Luton, but if I say anything, I'm in big trouble.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, I'm gonna need a little more bravery from you there, Moderates. 0.70

00:50:38.000 I need you to tell me about your corrupt cousin before he drives his truck over the Westminster Bridge and kills... I've been saying eight, I think it's only six people he killed, including himself, so... Four, five, four citizens and I think one cop.

00:50:53.000 Not that cops aren't citizens, you know what I'm saying.

00:50:56.000 But Tommy was telling me about, like this is a new thing in Britain, all the soccer hooligans were talking about it when I was there for his trial. 0.97

00:51:02.000 Some nut was shooting at a police helicopter, obviously that's fucking insane and you should be going to jail for a long time, that's attempted murder. 0.99

00:51:11.000 But these other kids, they're all kids, they run out and they go, oh fucking hell man, look at Eddie, he's shooting at a fucking, Eddie you're mad, right? 1.00

00:51:18.000 And laughing and enjoying it as stupid kids are wont to do. 1.00

00:51:22.000 All five of the kids who were there with that kid shooting, 1.00

00:51:26.000 20 years in prison.

00:51:28.000 Now, were they egging him on?

00:51:30.000 I don't know.

00:51:31.000 Should you go to jail for 20 years for egging someone on?

00:51:35.000 Now, there's something where it's like a bank robbery, and you all go there, and the teller gets killed.

00:51:41.000 You should all be responsible.

00:51:42.000 You all embarked on that venture together.

00:51:45.000 But that's not what they're using joint enterprise for.

00:51:48.000 I've even heard stories where there'll be a group of kids that go out of... I'm talking too long.

00:51:56.000 I'm starting to lose my...

00:51:57.000 Trina thought.

00:51:59.000 Group of geezers out on a piss out in London town and there'll be like 15, 20 of them and they will, uh, you know, when you're with a group like that you start spreading thin and sometimes when the front part of the gang will, not even a gang, group of lads, will be, uh, like half a block or maybe more than a block ahead. 0.81

00:52:20.000 Then he gets in a fight with someone, stabs him, kills him.

00:52:23.000 Everyone in that group 0.97

00:52:27.000 Does 20, 30 years. 0.99

00:52:29.000 Isn't that fucking bizarre? 0.97

00:52:31.000 So it's just, it's just picking off an entire demographic, working-class soccer fans, hooligans, just taking them off the streets. 0.99

00:52:41.000 Filling the prisons.

00:52:43.000 Now, and I talked to Scott about this, in America that's an industry.

00:52:49.000 You need customers.

00:52:51.000 So we have a disgusting 1.00

00:52:53.000 They'd still be pieces of shit. 1.00

00:52:54.000 They're just bad eggs. 5%. 1.00

00:53:16.000 The rest, drug-related.

00:53:19.000 Domestic violence, drug-related. 0.64

00:53:21.000 I guess rape and murder.

00:53:23.000 But even with a lot of murders, it's drug territory.

00:53:27.000 So we abolish the war on drugs, and we abolish welfare, which is two things Proud Boys have been pushing for a long time.

00:53:33.000 You have to do them simultaneously.

00:53:34.000 So you abolish the war on drugs.

00:53:37.000 All drugs are legal.

00:53:38.000 Yes, even heroin is legal.

00:53:43.000 But you simultaneously abolish welfare. 0.99

00:53:46.000 And now these black women don't have an incentive to dump their baby daddy and they remain married just like it was in the 40s when blacks committed the same crime that whites did. 1.00

00:53:58.000 They also had the same divorce rate.

00:54:01.000 It was only after the big welfare surge in the 70s and 80s that crime exploded and that was exactly simultaneously, and yes it's disproportionately black, but that was exactly simultaneously fathers not being with their families. 0.73

00:54:16.000 Boys without dads have idle hands.

00:54:18.000 Idle hands lead to crime and crime is drugs in America.

00:54:21.000 So, you have to do both.

00:54:24.000 You have to legalize drugs and you have to essentially legalize dads. 0.61

00:54:29.000 And once you got dads and legal drugs, the prisons would be empty!

00:54:33.000 It would be rapists! 0.80

00:54:36.000 Those 5% I told you about and no one else. 0.80

00:54:39.000 I mean, I was talking to a guy once.

00:54:41.000 I had him on my old show, The Gavin McInnes Show.

00:54:44.000 And he said, I'm looking around at my prison.

00:54:47.000 He was there for 15 years for robbing a drug dealer, by the way.

00:54:50.000 He ended up killing him.

00:54:52.000 Why did he only get 15 years, and Scott gets 20 for being near a stabbing?

00:54:57.000 But anyway, this guy got 15 years, and he would dress up as the cops, as a SWAT team, and go into drug dens, and rob the drug dealers.

00:55:05.000 This one guy, drug dealer, pulled a gun on him, they had a shootout, he killed the drug dealer dressed in his SWAT gear, and other drug dealers there called the cops on him, and testified.

00:55:15.000 They got arrested for dealing drugs, but it was worth it for them to get the guy who killed their buddy.

00:55:21.000 Anyway,

00:55:21.000 I'm not really helping you garner sympathy for this dude, but he said, uh, he said, I'm looking around the prison and there's whites, blacks, there's rich, there's poor.

00:55:29.000 Obviously there's, you know, disproportionate numbers of black and poor, but there's still quite a variety of gentlemen here.

00:55:35.000 And he goes, I realized 100% of the guys that I'm looking at have,

00:55:40.000 Are here because of drugs.

00:55:42.000 Now, most of them were drug addicts, but there was guys like me who robbed a drug dealer, or there was guys caught up in turf wars or gang wars based on drugs.

00:55:50.000 I'm not saying Scott is part of this group, by the way.

00:55:54.000 Yeah, it was all drug-based.

00:55:57.000 And the fact that we put these men in cages for decades,

00:56:03.000 You know, I went to a penitentiary in Philadelphia that was penance.

00:56:09.000 It was an experiment they did, and we don't know how successful it was, and I'll explain that in a second.

00:56:15.000 But it was a very just prison, if you can imagine.

00:56:20.000 And it was a room you had to yourself.

00:56:22.000 It was about

00:56:24.000 Twelve by twelve.

00:56:26.000 You also had a tiny little lawn that was out the back.

00:56:30.000 And you had a little doorway that went, and you were alone there.

00:56:33.000 And you just had the Bible.

00:56:35.000 And you read the Bible, and the sentences were usually five years, even murder.

00:56:39.000 And you just read the Bible, you did your penance, and you'd also, they'd also provide you with trades.

00:56:45.000 So you'd come out a cobbler or something, right?

00:56:47.000 You'd go there and you'd take these classes and you'd learn how to fix things.

00:56:51.000 And they also wanted you to not have the stigma of having been a prisoner in X-Con.

00:56:57.000 So, and here's the crazy part.

00:56:59.000 They burned all your files after you left and you never, you were never on the way.

00:57:03.000 Actually, Al Capone stayed at this place.

00:57:05.000 And they have his cell there.

00:57:06.000 It's beautiful.

00:57:07.000 He's got a big marble chest, big oak chair, little table.

00:57:11.000 It looks like a little furniture store.

00:57:14.000 Um, and so they don't know how successful it was, but I would wager it was incredibly successful.

00:57:20.000 Because it was just and it respected the men.

00:57:24.000 But you have someone like Tommy, who's in a fuckin' 6x7 cage, 23 and a half hours a day, and then for a half hour, he can pace in a slightly bigger cage. 0.95

00:57:34.000 He can eat a can of tuna a day and a bag of crisps. 0.92

00:57:37.000 And I think he had a piece of fruit because he could only spend Something like a pound at the commissary every day.

00:57:45.000 So that's he'd get his protein from his tuna lost 40 pounds If you did that to a dog, you'd be arrested

00:57:51.000 If you did that to any other human, you'd be arrested.

00:57:52.000 You're not allowed to do solitary for more than 14 days.

00:57:54.000 Sorry, I'm off on a million tangents, but... My point is, I had a very interesting discussion with Scott.

00:57:59.000 I have nothing but respect for him and DMS, and even sheer terror.

00:58:04.000 Although I think that was very silly to say we're not allowed to go to shows because of my politics or whatever.

00:58:09.000 Um... Um...

00:58:12.000 But I think we get lost in the weeds with a lot of this stuff.

00:58:16.000 We talk about this guy said what, and you're a racist, and the guy's clearly not. 0.92

00:58:22.000 We have people calling blacks white supremacists now. 1.00

00:58:25.000 Oh yeah, you can be a white supremacist and still be black. 1.00

00:58:29.000 You can be married to a black woman and still be a white supremacist. 0.99

00:58:31.000 It's not that uncommon. 1.00

00:58:32.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:58:34.000 Jesus Christ, that's your bad guy? 1.00

00:58:36.000 That's your evil Nazi, the dude hanging out with black dudes? 1.00

00:58:40.000 What's he planning to do, slit their throats when they're on the way home? 1.00

00:58:45.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:58:47.000 That's like saying, you know, you could have pedophiles who have never ever looked at a kid and are happily married, but it's in their subconscious. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Well, they're clearly not a threat then if they don't even know they are.

00:58:59.000 Um, but yeah, we get lost in the weeds when we have these big pictures going on, like the opioid epidemic, killing 115 people a day. 0.99

00:59:08.000 Like this insane incarceration system, where guys are being thrown in jail like fucking animals, put in cages.

00:59:17.000 Sometimes with very little evidence, and you know, I talked to a dude the other day who's getting his gun permit and they had his fingerprints from a charge he had in a fight he had at like Shea Stadium in 1985 that was expunged. 0.98

00:59:32.000 And he goes, why the fuck are my prints still there?

00:59:34.000 This case is supposed to be gone, and it doesn't show up anywhere else but with this one FBI background check. 0.99

00:59:39.000 So he talks to fellas that he knows, and cops he knows, and the cops know the judge, and they go, Jesus Christ, what a fuck up. 0.96

00:59:46.000 And they get rid of those fingerprints. 0.98

00:59:48.000 And the judge said the same thing I said, which is, 1.00

00:59:51.000 How many motherfuckers are in jail because they don't have the resources to call their cop friend and say, get my prints out of there, you dumbass. 1.00

01:00:01.000 What have you done? 1.00

01:00:02.000 Or can't afford a lawyer.

01:00:04.000 You know, speaking of Proud Boys, we just had a guy serve three, three and a half months at Rikers for having a gun with hollow point shells.

01:00:12.000 The hollow point shells are often a year per bullet.

01:00:15.000 That could have, the clip is what, ten?

01:00:17.000 Could have had ten years right there.

01:00:20.000 But he spent a fortune on a lawyer.

01:00:21.000 He's paying it off, deep in debt now.

01:00:24.000 What about the people who don't have that access?

01:00:26.000 That's the criminal system we have. 0.99

01:00:27.000 That's something I think should be a high priority.

01:00:29.000 And if I'm going to sit down with Scott, that's what I'd love to get into.

01:00:32.000 Not the fact that we agree on basically everything.

01:00:36.000 Jesus, I hope this didn't come across as disrespectful to those guys, because that's not good for any of us.

01:00:44.000 Had a rough week with Get Off My Lawn.

01:00:47.000 Trying a different studio system, so all the shows were late, and I apologize for that.

01:00:50.000 Bad, Gavin. 0.97

01:00:52.000 That's me smacking my bare bum. 0.99

01:00:53.000 I'm nude right now. 0.99

01:00:57.000 But yeah, on Monday and Tuesday, we're gonna do those in-studio sit-downs.

01:01:01.000 CRTV Tonight is going to be the DC show that following Friday.

01:01:06.000 Also got a big Thanksgiving special coming up, where I'm gonna go to a turkey farm.

01:01:10.000 I guess I'm gonna kill a turkey.

01:01:14.000 Minds me of a recording I have of my eldest son when he was five.

01:01:19.000 And I was just recording with a tape recorder.

01:01:22.000 And I go, what do you want to do when you grow up? 0.93

01:01:25.000 And he goes, I want to kill a mouse. 0.97

01:01:29.000 What? 0.99

01:01:30.000 Yeah, I want to have a little piece of mouse standing there. 0.99

01:01:35.000 I want to kill a mouse. 0.99

01:01:37.000 I want to have a piece of mouse standing there. 0.99

01:01:39.000 I guess he wants to eat a mouse?

01:01:41.000 You know, you gotta record these things.

01:01:43.000 That's what my grandmother always said before she died.

01:01:44.000 You need to record these, Gav, and you're gonna watch them.

01:01:47.000 They were still here.

01:01:49.000 Don't worry, lady.

01:01:50.000 I got my iPhone.

01:01:51.000 The only thing I regret is I didn't record you more.

01:01:54.000 Anyway, now we have someone just rambling on.

01:01:56.000 This is no longer an informative podcast.

01:01:58.000 This is a guy who's talking to himself on the bus.

01:02:03.000 I like you more than a friend, and I will see you soon.

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