Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - GOML LIVE #130 - THE MEANDERING

00:00:28.000 Stay social media. 0.90

00:00:31.000 Cause it happens to be the end of the trend of a shitty day.

00:00:36.000 Alive from New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McKinnon. 0.91

00:00:43.000 It happens to be the end of a shitty day. 0.96

00:00:47.000 Oh boy, it happens to be the end of the tree of a shitty day. 0.96

00:00:56.000 That's enough. 0.89

00:00:58.000 I can't tell if he's on our side or his side.

00:01:02.000 You should make the background the meandering.

00:01:04.000 Welcome to an extra special episode of Get Off My Lawn.

00:01:09.000 We are focusing this January 6th on that January 6th.

00:01:15.000 So we've got interviews with guys facing 20 years in prison.

00:01:18.000 We've got interviews with their lawyers, Joe Biggs' lawyer, Nordine's lawyer.

00:01:23.000 We got John Pierce, the guy who defended Rittenhouse, and he's also defending dozens, I believe, of people who were there that day.

00:01:32.000 They meandered in, and the world changed forever.

00:01:37.000 It's the worst thing to ever happen in our generation.

00:01:40.000 Now, I think it's a terrible thing because people have been rotting in prison for a year for trespassing.

00:01:48.000 But I get the feeling that guy who did that song thinks it's a horrible day because our democracy, they threatened our democracy.

00:01:57.000 Right?

00:01:59.000 Usually penists are liberal.

00:02:05.000 What are you doing?

00:02:05.000 Why are you showing it again?

00:02:08.000 It's just so good. 0.99

00:02:09.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:02:10.000 I just want to never forget. 1.00

00:02:11.000 Never forget.

00:02:13.000 Or as we say here in New York, never forget about it.

00:02:18.000 Show that video that I just emailed you from Ashley St. Clair because it's this.

00:02:23.000 And it really sums up that day perfectly.

00:02:27.000 The man, the Buffalo man, who John Pierce, we'll have him on the show.

00:02:30.000 We have his lawyer on the show.

00:02:32.000 This man is in prison right now for four years, rotting away for doing this. 0.99

00:02:41.000 Fucking hey, man. 0.98

00:02:43.000 Glad to see you guys. 1.00

00:02:44.000 You guys are fucking patriots. 1.00

00:02:46.000 Look at this guy. 1.00

00:02:46.000 He's got covered in blood. 1.00

00:02:47.000 God bless him.

00:02:49.000 Yes?

00:02:50.000 You good, sir?

00:02:51.000 Do you need medical attention?

00:02:52.000 I'm good.

00:02:53.000 Thank you, Jordan.

00:02:56.000 I got shot in the fikes.

00:02:57.000 Where are they?

00:02:58.000 Shot in the fikes. 0.92

00:02:59.000 I got shot in the face with some kind of plastic bullet.

00:03:02.000 Any chance I could get you guys to leave the Senate waiting?

00:03:05.000 Wait, wait, I've been making sure they ain't disrespecting the plugs.

00:03:08.000 Okay, just want to let you guys know this is like the sacredest place.

00:03:13.000 That's your insurrection.

00:03:15.000 That's the end of democracy.

00:03:17.000 That's our 9-11.

00:03:19.000 Go to the first link there.

00:03:22.000 And as Jesse from Pod Awful will be talking to him, he's there right now.

00:03:27.000 I don't know why he fucking went there, but anyway, he's there.

00:03:30.000 And as he said, everyone remembers where they were on September 11th very vividly. 0.93

00:03:37.000 Where were you on January 6th?

00:03:39.000 You know why you don't remember?

00:03:41.000 Because it wasn't a big deal.

00:03:43.000 Harris Lamb for comparing Capitol Riot to 9-11 and Pearl Harbor.

00:03:49.000 Well, we should be at war then.

00:03:51.000 Pearl Harbor got us into the war.

00:03:53.000 Let's start a war. 0.96

00:03:55.000 Let's start a war. 0.96

00:03:56.000 There's too many of us.

00:03:57.000 There's too many of us.

00:03:58.000 That's too many.

00:03:58.000 Including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them where they were and what they were doing.

00:04:07.000 No one remembers Kamala.

00:04:08.000 When our democracy came under assault.

00:04:12.000 Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collection. 0.97

00:04:19.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:04:19.000 I don't want to hear her. 0.99

00:04:20.000 It's the only time I see her not laughing like a hyena, by the way. 1.00

00:04:25.000 She also said, go to the next link.

00:04:27.000 She said that America is the oldest democracy in the world.

00:04:33.000 Did you know that?

00:04:35.000 I knew not that.

00:04:36.000 America's older than ancient Greece. 0.69

00:04:39.000 Yeah, democracy, that American word.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 We're the first country ever.

00:04:45.000 Did you know that?

00:04:46.000 It doesn't literally sound Greek.

00:04:48.000 Did you know that there was no other countries before 1776?

00:04:52.000 No idea.

00:04:53.000 First America, the world's first country.

00:04:56.000 It's actually pretty based.

00:04:57.000 The oldest democracy.

00:05:00.000 Wow.

00:05:02.000 The one and only.

00:05:05.000 And the way that people are treating this thing, this event, is just insane.

00:05:12.000 It was a meandering.

00:05:14.000 And the way they talk about the Capitol.

00:05:16.000 Ooh, it was the Capitol.

00:05:17.000 I want to make something very clear.

00:05:18.000 This is my personal opinion. 1.00

00:05:19.000 Fuck the White House. 1.00

00:05:20.000 I have no respect for any politicians. 1.00

00:05:23.000 I don't see that Senate wing as sacred. 1.00

00:05:26.000 Like when I saw that guy laughing, carrying the podium, I thought, that's funny, because that podium's a useless piece of shit. 1.00

00:05:33.000 And I like that he's trivializing it. 1.00

00:05:35.000 You're not special. 0.99

00:05:37.000 Politics is Hollywood for ugly people, okay? 1.00

00:05:41.000 There's two types of Americans, people who want to be left alone and people who won't leave them the fuck alone. 0.99

00:05:47.000 You're in this group, politicians and leftists and people who support the government. 0.98

00:05:53.000 We're in this group. 1.00

00:05:54.000 Fuck the government. 1.00

00:05:55.000 Burn it down. 1.00

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00:07:24.000 So you just open up the window.

00:07:26.000 No?

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00:07:57.000 He's a weird little genius, that guy. 1.00

00:07:59.000 Yes. 0.94

00:08:00.000 Hell of a blabber mouth, too. 0.94

00:08:02.000 Okay, back to the show. 0.77

00:08:03.000 Again, this first half hour of the show is free.

00:08:07.000 We put it up as a podcast, and then we go behind the paywall.

00:08:10.000 And only subscribers to censored.tv can enjoy it.

00:08:15.000 I hope we get some interviews in before we cut you off.

00:08:19.000 But it's the cost of about two beers a month.

00:08:22.000 Two beers a month.

00:08:23.000 I don't think I've had a day where I haven't had at least two beers.

00:08:28.000 I don't drink during Lent, but beer isn't drinking, right?

00:08:32.000 I don't drink alcohol, like whiskey, during Lent.

00:08:36.000 But beers.

00:08:37.000 I don't think I could get drunk from beer.

00:08:39.000 You know, that's a good point because when somebody's like in a rap song, they say good weed and alcohol, nobody thinks beer.

00:08:45.000 If you said, if you had, if you were doing a music video and you're like, good weed and you put up weed and then you put up beer when they said alcohol, you'd be like, I think it would take.

00:08:51.000 What are you doing?

00:08:52.000 Like I wouldn't be able to fit the number of beers it would take to get drunk into my body.

00:08:56.000 I would just become like, what's his name? 0.96

00:09:00.000 Bad, Michael Jackson, fat, weirdo Yankovic in that fat video. 0.92

00:09:04.000 Anyway, we're all enjoying the left overstating how terrible that day was. 0.60

00:09:12.000 And Ann Coulter had a great tweet where she talks about this year, the first anniversary of January 6th, you give a gift that's paper-based.

00:09:22.000 Next year, it's fiber-based.

00:09:25.000 Okay, that'll be the second anniversary.

00:09:27.000 And then the third anniversary, your gift should involve leather.

00:09:30.000 I think the year after that is diamonds.

00:09:34.000 I'm not sure.

00:09:37.000 And the strange part about all this is everyone is completely ignoring not just the left burning down America and destroying police buildings and costing, I believe, $3 billion worth of damage.

00:09:53.000 Every major city in the entire country has had a riot.

00:09:58.000 Every state has had a statue torn down.

00:10:02.000 Totally ignored all that.

00:10:04.000 Well, and the argument I get from the left is, well, that's because that was for civil rights.

00:10:08.000 This was an attack on our democracy.

00:10:10.000 This was a dumb brawl, a riot that broke out because people were pissed off, not just about the election, but about the media and the way that they have been portrayed. 0.97

00:10:22.000 That's all it was. 0.98

00:10:23.000 And I don't blame them one bit.

00:10:25.000 I don't think they should have done it, but I under...

00:10:27.000 I'm not saying they should have done it, but I understand. 0.92

00:10:31.000 Like, say you get kicked out of a bar for no reason, and on your way out, you say, fuck this place, and you knock over a bunch of pints and they smash on the ground. 0.96

00:10:39.000 I totally get that, dude, doing that. 0.98

00:10:41.000 You shouldn't smash pints on the ground, but I get that you lost your temper.

00:10:47.000 It should be forgotten.

00:10:51.000 But yeah, go to my getter.

00:10:52.000 I was talking about this the other day.

00:10:55.000 Remember when Democrat protesters stormed the U.S. Capitol in 2018, took over the U.S. Senate building, tried to get into the U.S. Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh confirmations?

00:11:05.000 We've seen this happen a million times from the left, and it's always worse.

00:11:09.000 Remember it was at Georgia that woman was screaming at the cop at the Senate House.

00:11:16.000 I think I'm wrong about Senate House, some political building over there.

00:11:20.000 I think they did it at Madison, too.

00:11:21.000 And then the DA, Merrick Garland, said, no, no, no.

00:11:25.000 The thing about Antifa, that's okay.

00:11:27.000 They do it at night.

00:11:28.000 So they're not interrupting all the magical, important stuff we do all day.

00:11:32.000 They're just like breaking an empty building.

00:11:34.000 No, they do it in the day.

00:11:36.000 They do it in the day, Merrick.

00:11:38.000 What kind of name is Merrick? 1.00

00:11:40.000 Stupid one. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Take the best, you take the A's out of America and you make that your first name? 1.00

00:11:46.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:11:46.000 The A's are the best part about the word America. 1.00

00:11:49.000 Merrick. 0.99

00:11:52.000 He looks like that dude who's always fucking with smurfs, Gargamel. 0.99

00:11:56.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:11:57.000 He's got garg vibes.

00:11:58.000 He does have another terrible name.

00:12:00.000 Gargamel.

00:12:02.000 So, yeah, go back to, so that's that, when they did that, the Democrat legislators and the MSM cheered it on.

00:12:09.000 If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all. 0.97

00:12:11.000 And then there was the Black Panthers did it, right? 0.99

00:12:14.000 Can you imagine how many white liberals started masturbating when they saw this? 0.99

00:12:20.000 If it was BLM that did this, Jan 6 wouldn't exist. 0.99

00:12:24.000 There'd be no one in jail.

00:12:26.000 In fact, I think that was, yeah, that was one of the things here on my list.

00:12:34.000 Yeah, go all the way down, Ryan.

00:12:36.000 I forgot to number these, but it's U.S. Capitol riot, 725 arrests, one case dropped.

00:12:45.000 And then BLM Antifa terrorist attacks, 16,241 arrests.

00:12:53.000 Almost all the cases dropped.

00:12:56.000 That's called Clown World.

00:12:58.000 That's what's great about James O'Keefe's new book, American Muckraker.

00:13:06.000 We just did a commercial for his party coming up.

00:13:10.000 He's having a book party in Miami on January 29th, and you can go check that out at Project VeritasExperience.com.

00:13:17.000 That's true.

00:13:20.000 We're going to have James in the studio tonight.

00:13:23.000 Well, then I won't be doing this very much longer.

00:13:27.000 Okay. 1.00

00:13:27.000 Because I'm what they call a pussy. 1.00

00:13:30.000 And he is huge. 1.00

00:13:32.000 Speaking of media, go back to the top there.

00:13:34.000 There's so much fake news around January 6th.

00:13:37.000 And I thought this Chris Hayes saying this was a perfect example.

00:13:40.000 I just want to say something and make it crystal clear. 0.99

00:13:42.000 I fucking hate Chris Hayes. 0.98

00:13:46.000 And I saw him at the train station once, and I was in a rush. 0.99

00:13:52.000 And every time I think of him, I'm so mad at myself for not going up to him and giving him a face full of verbal, as they say in England. 1.00

00:14:00.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:14:02.000 I almost regret it as much as not barfing at the camera when we were talking to Gazzi Kodzo, and I barfed off frame. 1.00

00:14:08.000 I should have just gone, brah!

00:14:10.000 That would have looked so cool.

00:14:12.000 Yeah.

00:14:12.000 Because it was projectile.

00:14:14.000 They might have even made it to the camera.

00:14:16.000 That would have been bad.

00:14:17.000 That would have been awesome.

00:14:19.000 I'd buy a new camera. 1.00

00:14:20.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:14:20.000 Imagine there was a clip of me going, brah! 1.00

00:14:23.000 That would be such a great gift.

00:14:24.000 That would be in the intro. 0.99

00:14:25.000 That would be fucking, yeah. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Regrets. 0.99

00:14:29.000 I've had a few.

00:14:31.000 Capitol rioter, Ethan Nordine, aka Rufio Pan Man, still rotting away in prison, is in jail, still pending a hearing.

00:14:38.000 He suddenly came up with almost a million dollars to offer his bail money.

00:14:42.000 Now, his parents X'd him and fired him from their restaurant.

00:14:47.000 And his marriage fell apart because Antifa docks the venue.

00:14:52.000 And since then, he's gotten married and he got back in good with his family.

00:14:57.000 Thank God, because they were able to raise the bail money.

00:15:02.000 It was $980K.

00:15:04.000 You know how they raised that money?

00:15:06.000 They put up their house and their restaurant, and then the entire family emptied their bank accounts.

00:15:12.000 Yes, middle-class people, when they accrue everything, they are able to get a million dollars.

00:15:18.000 Then they're broke.

00:15:20.000 That's everything his entire family owns. 1.00

00:15:23.000 You fucking asshole. 1.00

00:15:25.000 What, you think some, you're the one with the Soros guys throwing money around. 1.00

00:15:30.000 You're the side where lawyers magically appear every time Antifa throws a Molotov cocktail. 0.99

00:15:37.000 We're the ones who can't even fucking fundraise. 0.96

00:15:41.000 And that's something we're going to be talking a lot about tonight is fundraising. 0.96

00:15:46.000 I was talking to this girl, Molly the Stallion, Stallion Molly on Twitter, and she's a big Jan 6 activist.

00:15:53.000 She couldn't come on tonight because she's sick. 0.87

00:15:55.000 But she's telling me all this stuff about PACs, like these project groups stealing money that is being raised.

00:16:06.000 She alleges that this woman, Catherine Hughes, who runs Patriot Something, maybe look her up. 0.53

00:16:13.000 She alleges that this woman said to her, you know, if I can make a million bucks from this, I'll never have to work again. 0.96

00:16:20.000 Catherine Hughes, that's the word on the street. 0.99

00:16:23.000 You heard it here first, folks.

00:16:24.000 I cannot confirm or deny these allegations, but that's what I heard.

00:16:28.000 So the moral of that story is we need money.

00:16:33.000 And the best way to donate money is to go to the individuals give, send, go.

00:16:39.000 Do not, as far as I'm concerned, I got to tread lightly here for legal reasons, but my personal belief is one should not donate to these big groups just because you saw them on Steve Bennon's war room.

00:16:52.000 No, give, send, go.

00:16:53.000 We raised $10,000 for Zenoa Kinsman.

00:16:56.000 I talk to Zenoa all the time.

00:16:57.000 She got all the money.

00:16:59.000 So they're reliable.

00:17:02.000 But I was told not to trust Catherine Hughes.

00:17:05.000 I couldn't find much Catherine Hughes stuff.

00:17:08.000 No, it's Stallion Molly.

00:17:10.000 Molly the Stallion.

00:17:12.000 How did you get Molly Stallion from that?

00:17:14.000 So her at name is Stallion Molly.

00:17:24.000 So she's a good follow.

00:17:26.000 Got her.

00:17:26.000 Her cousin, that's her.

00:17:27.000 What a fucking smoke show. 1.00

00:17:30.000 Her cousin is on trial. 1.00

00:17:32.000 He's in jail right now, and he's been rotting away.

00:17:36.000 I think they managed to raise like 16 grand, which is nothing.

00:17:42.000 Dude, we'll have James O'Keefe on.

00:17:43.000 Wait till he tells you the millions of dollars he's had to spend fighting for truth.

00:17:50.000 On the phone, Cynthia Hughes said to me, oh, there we go.

00:17:52.000 Oh, good. 1.00

00:17:53.000 So I don't have to cover my ass. 1.00

00:17:54.000 It's out there. 0.99

00:17:55.000 Okay.

00:17:59.000 Joe Biden also was all over this today, talking about how horrific it was and crying.

00:18:06.000 And Trump just goes, this is political theater.

00:18:08.000 You're trying to hide your own incompetence by focusing on Jan 6.

00:18:12.000 The weird thing, though, about this is, and Molly was saying this, Trump has been accused of milking this and telling them not to settle because it's good for him.

00:18:24.000 That's the weird thing about the insurrection, the meandering.

00:18:28.000 The left thinks it makes the right look bad, but a lot of Republicans like it because it gins up the base.

00:18:34.000 So a lot of Trump people are saying, don't settle.

00:18:39.000 We want you to rot in jail and not take a plea, which I support, by the way.

00:18:43.000 So I'm giving strange signals here.

00:18:45.000 Molly's contention is these guys should be able to take a plea.

00:18:48.000 They shouldn't be in there.

00:18:50.000 They're rotting because it makes Trump look better.

00:18:54.000 I kind of like people fighting to the end and not taking a plea when they're guilty.

00:19:00.000 I mean, when they're innocent.

00:19:02.000 Like the gangster book I'm reading, I'm Not a Gangster, by what's his name?

00:19:08.000 Collins, Bobby Collins. 0.99

00:19:10.000 His whole life was fucked up because the cops planted a razor on him. 0.98

00:19:13.000 This is in like the 60s, and he said he pled guilty just to get it done with, and that gave him a criminal record. 0.99

00:19:18.000 He was unhireable, and it set him on the path for a life of crime.

00:19:23.000 So I'm not sure I agree with her that people should be taking pleas.

00:19:26.000 Anyway, This was a good tweet that shows that you could just forward to people, proving it was a meandering.

00:19:39.000 I didn't realize this, actually, that Trump knew that it would be a problem.

00:19:43.000 Go to that last picture.

00:19:46.000 Trump has confirmed reports he requested 10,000 National Guard troops ahead of the January 6th rally in Washington, D.C., only to be rebuffed by the authorities.

00:19:55.000 And we'll talk to a documentary filmmaker, Nick Quested, who was there that day.

00:20:02.000 And he said, I walked by the Capitol steps at about 11 a.m. and there was one cop there.

00:20:09.000 I mean, there's more cops at the South Bronx train station than there are protecting the White House or the Capitol, sorry?

00:20:19.000 Seems kind of weird, don't it?

00:20:22.000 I got to be honest, after doing all these interviews, talking to all these people, I'm still very confused by that day and who was involved.

00:20:32.000 Is that him?

00:20:34.000 Is it quested?

00:20:36.000 It is.

00:20:36.000 Yep.

00:20:38.000 For example, speaking of the confusion, look at this shit. 1.00

00:20:41.000 Elite commandos were hired to protect pence, and they had shoot-to-kill authority. 1.00

00:20:48.000 Shoot-to-kill? 0.63

00:20:50.000 Like that. 0.99

00:20:51.000 For the record, there was two deaths that day.

00:20:54.000 Not five.

00:20:55.000 No cops were killed.

00:20:57.000 That's all a lie.

00:20:59.000 Sicknick died of natural causes days later.

00:21:01.000 No evidence that it was linked to anything at the meandering.

00:21:05.000 Both women, both patriots.

00:21:06.000 Ashley Babbitt was shot in the neck and died of her injuries.

00:21:10.000 And then there was Rosalind Beattie, was her name?

00:21:13.000 She was beaten and trampled to death by cops, Capitol police. 0.59

00:21:17.000 And we're getting, there's 14,000 hours of video.

00:21:20.000 And it's slowly leaking.

00:21:22.000 And we're slowly seeing that the cops were not the angels they purport to be.

00:21:27.000 Although the left is still sticking to that.

00:21:29.000 It's so weird seeing the left support cops, too. 0.97

00:21:32.000 They focus on the black ones. 0.98

00:21:35.000 Like this guy. 0.97

00:21:37.000 I've noticed the lefties, they like to talk about this dude because he's shown like this, like, get back, get back to the mob, saving our institution.

00:21:45.000 They love democracy when it's Biden. 0.98

00:21:49.000 Meanwhile, when Trump was in office, they wanted the whole fucking, all of D.C. to blow up. 0.99

00:21:53.000 Yeah, Eugene Goodman. 0.98

00:21:55.000 He's alive, by the way.

00:21:56.000 I don't know why we're remembering him, but you'll see a lot of liberals will have him as their screensaver or their banner atop their Twitter account.

00:22:05.000 What a hero.

00:22:06.000 By the way, look at our guys.

00:22:07.000 Don't shoot, don't shoot.

00:22:09.000 Hands up, don't shoot. 0.98

00:22:12.000 Of course, there's this clown who killed Ashley Babbitt, who is a hero. 0.99

00:22:17.000 Talk about black privilege. 1.00

00:22:19.000 You shoot a woman. 1.00

00:22:20.000 There she is dying. 1.00

00:22:22.000 And we walk through wherever the hell they are and talk about how wonderful you are. 0.96

00:22:29.000 I saved countless lives by murdering a woman. 1.00

00:22:34.000 No charges.

00:22:35.000 No nothing. 0.99

00:22:36.000 And we've since heard that Michael Bird was another affirmative action hire, totally incompetent, regularly left his gun in the bathroom after he'd take a shit. 1.00

00:22:46.000 He's an imbecile and a hero. 1.00

00:22:50.000 She was unarmed. 1.00

00:22:51.000 She didn't have like mantis claws or anything on. 1.00

00:22:53.000 Yeah, what lives did you save?

00:22:55.000 You know, there's this really crazy conspiracy that I'm kind of down with.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, well, you're the guy who believes in flat earth and no dinosaurs, so I'm not surprised.

00:23:06.000 It's interesting.

00:23:09.000 You're going to watch in your own time.

00:23:11.000 So what are they saying?

00:23:12.000 That Ashley Babbitt was an actor?

00:23:15.000 That there's just so many things wrong with it, the way that people are positioned, the weird things that people do.

00:23:20.000 First, they're friends with people, and then they're like enemies out of nowhere.

00:23:27.000 There's no doubt that there was some Antifa there, and there was some feds egging it on.

00:23:34.000 But most sane people agree that normal moms and dad boomers stormed the Capitol because they were pissed off, and that was a mistake. 0.89

00:23:43.000 As we'll talk to Dan Hall, yes, Antifa could have been ginning them up, but they were ginning.

00:23:49.000 You know, they were ready to rock.

00:23:52.000 Anyway, we're not going to get into conspiracy theories.

00:23:54.000 It's very scrupulous and interesting.

00:24:00.000 Okay, we've covered all that.

00:24:03.000 And then, yeah, the last link there is that Roseanne Boyland.

00:24:08.000 Because we see footage now, and Molly the Stallion was showing it of it looks like they're attacking cops.

00:24:13.000 When you zoom in, you see they're trying to protect people. 0.98

00:24:15.000 The cops were beating the living shit out of the Patriots. 0.99

00:24:21.000 Watch this. 0.99

00:24:22.000 The pressing question here is whether the Capitol Police and the government agents killed a second female Trump supporter while putting out the lie that she died from a drug overdose.

00:24:30.000 Roseanne Boyland.

00:24:32.000 In the three hours of security camera footage from the tunnel, shortly before her death, she's approximately the same location.

00:24:38.000 Her motionless body will be seen in about 10 minutes later in body cam footage. 0.79

00:24:43.000 Yeah, that black guy was with her.

00:24:44.000 He saw the whole thing. 0.81

00:24:46.000 Yeah, Phil.

00:24:48.000 Phil Onius.

00:24:51.000 He's the guy who got his teeth punched out.

00:24:53.000 He's done a lot of really good stuff.

00:24:55.000 Then he's wiped from the internet at some point.

00:24:57.000 And hadn't seen anything from him since that interview about this.

00:25:00.000 Really?

00:25:01.000 Amazing.

00:25:02.000 Great guy.

00:25:03.000 Okay, let's start the interviews.

00:25:05.000 We've got one, two, three, four, five, six.

00:25:11.000 First interview, documentary filmmaker Nick Quested, who was there?

00:25:17.000 He knows the truth.

00:25:24.000 Nick, are you there, sir?

00:25:26.000 I am there.

00:25:28.000 You have a nuclear war going on behind you.

00:25:30.000 I know, maybe I'll.

00:25:33.000 Look, I look educated because I've got books behind me.

00:25:38.000 So most people don't know that you were following the Proud Boys around at various rallies for months and months before January 6th, and you were at January 6th.

00:25:49.000 I was indeed.

00:25:51.000 Now, I mean, I need to sit down with you for four hours and get the whole story.

00:25:57.000 Your research with Proud Boys was excellent.

00:25:59.000 I also want to talk to you about the work you're doing at the board, but we have limited time here on the January 6th special.

00:26:04.000 So I just want to focus on one instance as a little microcosm of the whole picture.

00:26:09.000 I'm reading in the New York Times, I think it was Alan Froyer, who I'm not a fan of.

00:26:14.000 And the story is that this proud boy went up to Joe and Joe said, look, man, here's a gun.

00:26:22.000 Go attack those cops and we're going to storm the Capitol.

00:26:26.000 And the guy was like, okay, I got it. 0.94

00:26:28.000 And he ran off.

00:26:30.000 Right?

00:26:30.000 Is that what they're saying?

00:26:32.000 Yeah, that's what, I mean, that's what the guy's name is Ryan Sempsell.

00:26:37.000 Yep.

00:26:37.000 And I'll send you the picture of him putting his arms around Biggs.

00:26:41.000 But I don't.

00:26:43.000 That's what Sempsell said.

00:26:45.000 But I think Foy actually refuted it and agreed that Biggs had no gun.

00:26:52.000 And I was there.

00:26:54.000 I was maybe five yards away from them.

00:26:57.000 And I only saw Sempsell put his arms around Biggs.

00:27:01.000 And there was definitely no weapon involved at that point.

00:27:05.000 At all.

00:27:06.000 I never seen anything to do with any weapons at all from any Proud Boys that day.

00:27:10.000 I like to separate the narrative and the myth.

00:27:12.000 So what exactly is the myth?

00:27:15.000 Why would Biggs pull out a gun like saying we're about to start shooting people?

00:27:20.000 Well, that's why it doesn't make any sense because I think it was Sempsell trying to create some type of plausibility that he wasn't part of instigating the first push on the fences at the western entrance.

00:27:39.000 Is he making up stuff to get a police so they'll let him go?

00:27:43.000 I think he was trying to do anything he could, and I think that was very desperate.

00:27:46.000 Because he's not really a proud boy.

00:27:48.000 I was told he's kind of a hanger on who's hoping to get in.

00:27:51.000 I had never seen him before with any relationship to any proud before.

00:27:57.000 It's the first time I saw him, and he's a very noticeable dude.

00:28:00.000 So you're more of an authority on their rallying than I am because you were there.

00:28:06.000 What's your big picture takeaway?

00:28:08.000 Because the narrative is that they went there.

00:28:11.000 They're being charged potentially with conspiracy.

00:28:14.000 And the charge could be that they went there to overthrow the government.

00:28:21.000 You broke up a second, but did they go there to overthrow the government?

00:28:29.000 I was not aware of any plan for them to overthrow the government.

00:28:34.000 I think, I'm not a proud boy.

00:28:37.000 I'm just a journalist.

00:28:39.000 And it seemed to me that the Proud Boys went there to confront Antifa and to demonstrate in front of the Capitol.

00:28:55.000 And then I don't know.

00:28:58.000 And then the fences come down and the rioters ran forward.

00:29:07.000 Did the Proud Boys' presence there contribute towards the animus of the crowd?

00:29:14.000 I can't say, but they were definitely there at the front, though.

00:29:20.000 Yeah.

00:29:21.000 So it sounds like they, from your take, they contributed to the chaos, but it was all spontaneous.

00:29:35.000 I think that they were definitely there, and they were loud, but there was, I had not seen any aggression.

00:29:43.000 But I have to say that one thing, there was definitely a different feeling on January 6th than there had been at other rallies.

00:29:50.000 From Proud Boys.

00:29:51.000 From Proud Boys.

00:29:52.000 They felt much more serious.

00:29:53.000 And there was a group of Proud Boys there that I hadn't seen before at other rallies with the orange hats on who are allegedly from Arizona.

00:30:01.000 Yes, yeah, that's what I heard too.

00:30:03.000 Now, you were filming all this.

00:30:04.000 You're in the fray. 1.00

00:30:05.000 And our government is so inept. 0.91

00:30:07.000 They have trouble differentiating between old ladies, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and journalists. 0.99

00:30:14.000 Did you get in any shit for being there? 0.98

00:30:18.000 Yeah, I was put on the no-fly list. 0.98

00:30:21.000 I still have had my trusted traveler and global entry revoked, and I've been interviewed by various authorities.

00:30:32.000 So law enforcement has been to your house?

00:30:35.000 Yes.

00:30:36.000 And have they confiscated any of your footage?

00:30:38.000 Because you've got some of the best footage around.

00:30:42.000 They didn't confiscate any footage.

00:30:44.000 They subpoenaed me.

00:30:46.000 I see.

00:30:47.000 Because you're doing a documentary about what is it about the Proud Boys or Jan 6 or just the Trump?

00:30:56.000 Well, we started making a film about the dissatisfaction with the government and the rhetoric from all parts, like from both sides, from Antifa and from various militias,

00:31:16.000 whether it be the Proud Boys, who I don't think are a militia, but whatever.

00:31:20.000 And it distilled into a film about from November the 3rd to January the 6th and the language and events that led to what happened on the steps of the Capitol.

00:31:36.000 Oh, interesting.

00:31:37.000 Yeah, because that's why I said not to go.

00:31:40.000 Because November, they were stabbed, and the media's takeaway was, they'll probably show up, at least for stabbing.

00:31:45.000 December, they were stabbed, and the media's takeaway was, they show up, at least with stabbing.

00:31:50.000 Don't go January.

00:31:51.000 Stabbing is a best case scenario at this point.

00:31:54.000 I also had heard that the government was going to give out their concealed carry permits to people that they didn't normally allow as far as tourism goes.

00:32:02.000 And I thought, they're only going to give it to the lefties. 0.95

00:32:03.000 You're going to get shot. 0.98

00:32:04.000 And again, the media will take away, probably show up at a thing, and someone gets shot. 0.58

00:32:11.000 Yeah, you have to think about why there was no counter protest and how that was managed as well.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because above and beyond that, which was very unusual, you have this sort of seminal shot, this seminal scene where it's early in the morning.

00:32:29.000 I think it's, is it Biggs and Nordine or something?

00:32:31.000 And they're walking by the state capitol and there's one cop there.

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 I mean, that really is the errant thread that unravels the whole sweater.

00:32:41.000 Yeah, at 11.52, I walked past the Capitol with at the front of the Powboys. 1.00

00:32:47.000 In the shot was Zach, Nordine, and Biggs.

00:32:53.000 And in the background, there is just one police officer, which is fascinating because if you know 30,000 people are going to turn up to a football match, would you only have one policeman there?

00:33:07.000 You only have one policeman if the kid has a lemonade stand in the suburbs.

00:33:12.000 I mean, right now, I guarantee you, there's at least 12 on the steps.

00:33:18.000 Right?

00:33:18.000 I think it's the minimum.

00:33:21.000 So, I mean, that's a, you know, I'd love to know what the select committee finds out about the chain of command and how the staffing was organized that day.

00:33:34.000 So let's just play hypothetical here and say, what is the worst case scenario with that one cop?

00:33:40.000 Is the scenario, let's understaff law enforcement to inadvertently egg on an insurrection or some sort of riot?

00:33:50.000 I mean, the worst case scenario is that there was a person in authority reduced the staffing in order to create an opportunity for a crowd to enter the Capitol.

00:34:07.000 And that would be on Trump, would it not?

00:34:12.000 I don't know who would be responsible for the levels of policing.

00:34:16.000 I mean, ultimately, ultimately, it depends where you assess responsibility.

00:34:23.000 But, you know, that seems to be a very tactical decision rather than a strategic decision to me.

00:34:29.000 So the plot thickens.

00:34:31.000 All right.

00:34:31.000 Well, we're out of time.

00:34:32.000 Last question is, what does your gut say is going to happen to them?

00:34:40.000 Let's focus on Zach.

00:34:42.000 Biggs and Zach?

00:34:43.000 Zach, Nordine, and Biggs.

00:34:48.000 I don't know.

00:34:51.000 The fact that they've been held without bail for so long obviously implies that the U.S. attorney is unsatisfied with their level of cooperation.

00:35:03.000 I think what happens to them depends on how much help they were going to give the federal government in trying to create a relationship between the organizers of Jan 6, the executive branch, and politicians such as Grossar and Meadows.

00:35:28.000 That's really where the link is.

00:35:32.000 How did this mutate from rhetoric into riot?

00:35:40.000 Well, I don't think there's any evidence there.

00:35:44.000 If they're trying to frame them into saying something bad and throwing people under the bus, there's no one to throw under any bus.

00:35:49.000 There was no conspiracy.

00:35:50.000 And taking that to court and proving that they had planned this weeks in advance is impossible because they didn't.

00:35:57.000 So my gut says time served for trespassing and vandalism.

00:36:03.000 But, you know, conspiracy is a very low bar.

00:36:09.000 To prove conspiracy, you don't need to necessarily prove conspiracy to you.

00:36:14.000 You need to, their actions of provoking a confrontation or looking for a confrontation could be enough to warrant a conspiracy conviction.

00:36:26.000 Okay, well, that is a good, because that's not what I heard, but that's a good question for our next guest who's a lawyer and is representing them.

00:36:33.000 Nick, let's get more intimate.

00:36:35.000 And I do not mean that in a gay way, in any way, but let's have a sit-down and do a long talk about this because I feel we've barely scratched the surface.

00:36:44.000 Okay.

00:36:45.000 All right, cheers.

00:36:46.000 Cheers.

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00:39:44.000 But today we're wearing Proud Boys regalia as an homage to our brothers behind bars.

00:39:55.000 Speaking of Proud Boys and men in prison, let's talk to one of the top lawyers for the meandering, Mr. John Pierce.

00:40:11.000 John, are you there, sir?

00:40:13.000 Yes, I am.

00:40:14.000 Hi, Gavin.

00:40:14.000 How are you?

00:40:15.000 I'm good.

00:40:16.000 Now, we had you on the show a while ago talking about Kyle Rittenhouse, who you represented at the beginning of that whole kerfuffle.

00:40:24.000 Now you're representing Proud Boys for the January 16th.

00:40:27.000 Who specifically are you representing?

00:40:30.000 In terms of Proud Boys, so we have Paul Ray from Florida.

00:40:37.000 We have Nathan Tuck from Florida.

00:40:40.000 We have Will Pepe from the New York area.

00:40:45.000 And I think we have one or two others, and they're escaping me right now.

00:40:51.000 Oh, we have Anthony Sargent in Florida.

00:40:57.000 And that may be, I think I said when I was on the show, you know, four or five.

00:41:01.000 I think we're at.

00:41:02.000 And you're not representing anyone else for the Gen 6 stuff.

00:41:06.000 Say it one more time.

00:41:07.000 That's it for you representing Gen 6 people.

00:41:11.000 In terms of Proud Boys, I mean, we have, you know, we probably have a total of 23 or 24.

00:41:18.000 You know, but in terms of Proud Boys, we have...

00:41:21.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:41:21.000 So you have 24 other people that you're representing from the insurrection?

00:41:29.000 A total of approximately 23 or 24, including the Proud Boys, yes.

00:41:35.000 And are they all basically facing the same kind of problem, which is, were you just there riding or did you conspire?

00:41:45.000 You know, so, I mean, everybody's facing different sets of charges.

00:41:52.000 You know, it does appear, you know, based on public information that the government is interested in the groups such as the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters with respect to some sort of alleged conspiracy,

00:42:10.000 which they'll have to try to trial.

00:42:13.000 And I'm not sure they'll be able to do that.

00:42:16.000 But that is still actually, and again, this is based on public records.

00:42:21.000 I mean, it's actually kind of evolving in all these cases as we speak.

00:42:25.000 As you may know, because I'm sure you follow these things pretty closely, there are often superseding indictments that come through, multiple superseding indictments in the course of a case, even as they get close to trial.

00:42:40.000 And so, you know, and also the government is certainly continuing their investigation.

00:42:46.000 And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to tack on additional conspiracy charges to folks who don't have them yet.

00:42:54.000 But it's all different in every case.

00:42:56.000 Now, the rumor, the word on the street is that conspiracy has a low bar.

00:43:01.000 But my understanding is it has a high bar. 1.00

00:43:03.000 Like, if you look up all the Prowboys' chats, you see them going, yeah, ma'am, fuck shit up. 1.00

00:43:08.000 Fuck those guys. 1.00

00:43:09.000 And it reads like two teams headed to the Super Bowl. 1.00

00:43:12.000 It's not like, we will meet at 4 p.m.

00:43:15.000 And then you flank it over the side and then we'll have the phalanx go up the center at 5 and then you meet me.

00:43:22.000 There's none of that.

00:43:23.000 And isn't that what you need to prove conspiracy?

00:43:27.000 Yeah, so I mean, there's a couple of things to unpack.

00:43:32.000 I mean, obviously a conspiracy charge is a serious charge, which carries with it serious potential penalties.

00:43:40.000 And so the bar that the government has to meet, I think, in actuality is fairly high.

00:43:46.000 I mean, you can't just use sort of metaphorical kind of talk that you might hear at a bar that kind of seems like it may be drifting into that territory.

00:44:05.000 I mean, there has to be, essentially, under the law, there has to be an agreement to do something illegal and an overt act that's step that's taken in that direction.

00:44:17.000 But it has to be actually relevant to the crime that's being charged. 0.98

00:44:23.000 We're going to fuck shit up is not conspiracy. 1.00

00:44:26.000 That's just shit talk. 1.00

00:44:28.000 Let's meet by the Greek column on the third step at 4 p.m. and then we can go through the blah, blah, blah doors. 1.00

00:44:36.000 That's conspiracy.

00:44:38.000 Those two seem very different to me.

00:44:42.000 Yeah, no, I mean, they are very different.

00:44:43.000 And, you know, as you know, and as we've talked about before, and as will probably always be a frustration for you with me, you know, I can't talk about specific cases and how that will play out.

00:44:55.000 I mean, judges and juries will have to make that decision.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously, those are different things.

00:45:02.000 Those are different scenarios.

00:45:06.000 If prosecutors choose to try to bring conspiracy charges based on the type of thing that you were mentioning in the first example, I suspect they will have real challenges.

00:45:17.000 That's obviously up to their discretion as to what they think they can prove and what they want to try to prove.

00:45:23.000 But your point is absolutely correct, in my view.

00:45:26.000 So what does your gut say is going to happen?

00:45:30.000 Say that one more time.

00:45:31.000 What does your gut say is going to happen to them?

00:45:35.000 My gut says vandalism, trespassing, rioting, whatever, a year, two years, probation, we're done.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, again, that's a type of thing I really shouldn't get in predicting because that's going to force me to kind of give my views of the merits of the case.

00:45:55.000 I mean, I will say that, again, I will say that based on the public record, like any other American who's viewing this, the evidence of quote-unquote conspiracy to overthrow the government,

00:46:15.000 candidly in the public record so far seems a bit sparse.

00:46:19.000 But again, I mean, that's going to be up to the prosecutors to see what kind of evidence they can bring forth, and then the judges and juries will decide that on their own.

00:46:26.000 Well, it's a tough fight because you guys are working for a year.

00:46:30.000 You're getting no money, little money, a fraction of what you would normally get.

00:46:34.000 And then the prosecution has this unlimited bank account, unlimited resources.

00:46:38.000 I mean, it's the little engine that could up against an entire fleet of fighter jets.

00:46:45.000 Yeah, you know, sometimes it does feel, if I can use an analogy to make myself seem a little bit cool here, you know, it does seem a little bit like being Jerry Butler in the movie 300 holding the hot gates of Thermopylae against the million-man Persian army.

00:47:00.000 There's no question about that.

00:47:01.000 And, you know, and if I can take the opportunity on your show here to, again, you know, ask all your viewers to go to nclu.com and do whatever they can to, you know, to donate, that will be extremely helpful.

00:47:14.000 You know, also, everybody should go to the gives and go pages of these individuals and help them directly.

00:47:22.000 You know, as far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier in terms of resources that can be gotten to all of these defendants, not just mine, in order to make sure they get a fair trial.

00:47:33.000 But you're absolutely right.

00:47:35.000 I mean, this is why it's tough for defendants in the federal criminal justice system.

00:47:41.000 You are up against an opponent that literally has unlimited resources because they have our tax dollars.

00:47:49.000 Now, you also represent the Buffalo Shaman, who you tell me is a surprisingly intelligent dude, not a nut.

00:47:57.000 He got four years. 0.97

00:47:59.000 I'm just talking out my ass here, but that seems like that an appeal will bring that down. 0.97

00:48:04.000 That seems to me like the heaviest one because the strangest thing about this whole case is it seems entirely based on optics and not evidence. 0.99

00:48:13.000 And he was obviously the most optical.

00:48:15.000 He had big horns.

00:48:16.000 Every time they talk about it, they use that as a picture.

00:48:19.000 I think behind me I have a picture of him.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, he's right there.

00:48:22.000 So even I am using him to represent January 5th.

00:48:27.000 We're talking about our client, Jake Chansley, right?

00:48:31.000 Yes, yes.

00:48:33.000 And I guess what I'm asking is, it's hard to determine this and give a professional opinion about it because it seems to be such a bizarre case.

00:48:43.000 It's so uniquely about optics and Proud Boys.

00:48:47.000 Proud Boys are getting it worse than everyone because of Proud Boys.

00:48:49.000 Not because of what they did, but because of it's almost like the media is driving this case.

00:48:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:56.000 No, there's no question that, you know, to a large extent, you know, I mean, the media is a huge part of this.

00:49:03.000 And it's one of these narrative, you know, the insurrection narrative, as we talked about when I was with you there a few weeks ago.

00:49:11.000 I mean, the insurrection narrative is just completely false.

00:49:14.000 I mean, there are just no charges for insurrection.

00:49:16.000 I mean, that's a federal crime.

00:49:19.000 And so, you know, that's a narrative that's false.

00:49:22.000 Wait, let me interrupt you.

00:49:23.000 Sorry.

00:49:23.000 So how many people are on trial for this whole thing, total?

00:49:29.000 So there have been, I believe, approximately 700 defendants that have been charged.

00:49:35.000 Okay.

00:49:36.000 I think there's probably...

00:49:37.000 700 defendants.

00:49:39.000 Not one of them, not one of those charges included insurrection.

00:49:43.000 That's correct.

00:49:43.000 There are no charges for insurrection.

00:49:45.000 There are no charges for sedition.

00:49:47.000 There are no charges for treason.

00:49:50.000 And so you can, in my view, given how aggressive the federal government has been with respect to this whole situation, if there were the basis remotely for those kind of charges,

00:50:08.000 I would expect that you would see them.

00:50:09.000 So for example, in my mind, every time any one of these defendants is called an insurrectionist, I think that's just blatantly false and defamatory.

00:50:20.000 And there can be legal action based on that for sure.

00:50:28.000 And like we said when we talked before, again, because the left has control of these media sort of outlets, they go with these narratives.

00:50:38.000 And then when they fall apart three months later, there's no reckoning.

00:50:41.000 They just kind of shrug their shoulders and they move on to the next false narrative.

00:50:46.000 And so that's one of the big problems in the country right now.

00:50:48.000 It's one of the big problems with big tech.

00:50:50.000 It's one of the reasons that folks like you and platforms like you have, folks like Tim Pool or Take Your Choice, Joe Rogan are becoming more and more relevant than CNN and MSNBC and NBC combined because at least people are getting the truth.

00:51:12.000 I mean, let's take you, for example.

00:51:16.000 I mean, you don't hide who you are.

00:51:18.000 You don't hide what your views are.

00:51:21.000 And you speak what you view to be the truth, but viewers have the ability to understand what your point of view might have coming along with it.

00:51:33.000 These propaganda networks like CNN, MSNBC, and all the major mainstream media outlets, they try to pretend that they're straight news without any sort of political viewpoint.

00:51:47.000 And it's just wrong.

00:51:51.000 The American people can't get any form of the truth from those outlets.

00:51:54.000 Well, they say that the distrust in the American media is at the highest it's ever been.

00:51:58.000 I think it's like 64% or something.

00:52:00.000 It's really high.

00:52:02.000 Last question before we go, John.

00:52:05.000 What's the next step?

00:52:06.000 What's your next action coming up?

00:52:09.000 When's a trial?

00:52:11.000 Sure.

00:52:12.000 So trials are gradually beginning to be set.

00:52:15.000 I believe there's a trial in one of the Oath Keepers cases with Judge Maida in April.

00:52:19.000 The first case that we have set for trial as of right now is August 29th.

00:52:24.000 That's an individual who's not triboy, but is in a co-defendant case, along with some folks who are actually detained.

00:52:34.000 So what you're going to see is all of the trials that involve defendants who are detained, those will happen first.

00:52:44.000 They can include some co-defendants who are not detained, but they have to try those cases first because these folks are sitting, you know, they're sitting in jail.

00:52:52.000 Are all the Proud Boys in the shoe?

00:52:55.000 What's that?

00:52:55.000 Are all Proud Boys in the shoe?

00:52:57.000 Are they in solitary?

00:53:00.000 Well, no.

00:53:02.000 Let me just think out loud here.

00:53:05.000 Biggs is.

00:53:06.000 The Proud Boys that I have are all actually out.

00:53:11.000 They're on pre-trial release.

00:53:13.000 I don't know how many of them are actually imprisoned.

00:53:15.000 I know Ethan Nordine, Joe Biggs.

00:53:17.000 I don't know about Zach.

00:53:20.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, Ethan Nordine and Biggs are the ones that pop to my mind as the ones I know that are detained.

00:53:28.000 But yeah, I'm not sure.

00:53:30.000 I'm sure I think there's a handful, but the ones that I've the four that I mentioned at the beginning here, and I'm sure I might be missing one or two, but they are all on free trial.

00:53:41.000 Well, Dan Hall represents them.

00:53:43.000 We're going to talk to him next.

00:53:44.000 He wants to meet you.

00:53:45.000 Could you guys be friends?

00:53:48.000 What's that?

00:53:49.000 Dan Hall wants to meet you.

00:53:50.000 We're interviewing him next.

00:53:51.000 He represents Nordine and Nordine.

00:53:54.000 Yeah, no.

00:53:55.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 No, I mean, we should definitely be in touch, for sure.

00:53:59.000 What about best friends?

00:54:00.000 Is that an option?

00:54:02.000 I don't know.

00:54:02.000 I'm throwing it up.

00:54:03.000 I need all the friends I can get these days.

00:54:05.000 Okay.

00:54:06.000 So you're saying there's an option.

00:54:09.000 You could become best friends with Dan.

00:54:11.000 As long as he's okay with a CIA operative being his best friend, then I guess.

00:54:17.000 All right, John.

00:54:17.000 Great to talk to you, man.

00:54:19.000 Keep us up to date.

00:54:20.000 Thanks a lot, Gavin.

00:54:21.000 Good talking.

00:54:22.000 Okay.

00:54:27.000 Jesse, are you there, sir?

00:54:29.000 I am, Gavin.

00:54:30.000 What's with your look?

00:54:32.000 I know, right?

00:54:33.000 You look like a drawing of a hippie from the 60s that a Korean did who's never been to America.

00:54:39.000 Yeah, I'm trying a new thing. 0.98

00:54:40.000 It's called being gay. 0.97

00:54:42.000 Well, you nailed it.

00:54:44.000 Thank you.

00:54:45.000 So you're there at the insurrection.

00:54:47.000 You're a year late.

00:54:49.000 We're at Jan 6 Part 2.

00:54:50.000 I'm actually outside of the White House.

00:54:52.000 I got a dead-on look at the White House and the Washington Monument here.

00:54:57.000 And I'm in a pedicab with my friend Alex here.

00:55:00.000 And Alex has given you a ride before from the Capitol.

00:55:06.000 Well, he is taking you for a ride figuratively and literally because I've never been on a pedicab. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Now, Alex, Gavin says you're a goddamn liar. 1.00

00:55:16.000 Nah. 1.00

00:55:19.000 Why did you peddy cab me, dude?

00:55:21.000 So you were at Harry's bar, and there was a bunch of Proud Boys hanging out there, and they all hopped on scooters and took a ride around the park.

00:55:30.000 That sounds about right.

00:55:32.000 I think it was you and another guy who had the Proud Boys flag.

00:55:35.000 Hmm.

00:55:36.000 That sounds like it might be true.

00:55:38.000 I'll have to talk to my attorney, Mr. Booze, about that.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 Yeah.

00:55:44.000 So what's it like there, guys?

00:55:46.000 Is anyone there?

00:55:47.000 Like suit jacket, I think.

00:55:49.000 Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:55:49.000 I'm right.

00:55:50.000 I mean, you're wrong.

00:55:51.000 I mean, I'm wrong.

00:55:52.000 You're right.

00:55:53.000 What's it like there, boys?

00:55:55.000 Is anyone there?

00:55:56.000 Well, we were just at the Capitol.

00:55:58.000 I was live on YouTube.

00:56:00.000 And it is more of a meandering than usual.

00:56:06.000 But there's very few people.

00:56:08.000 There's almost nobody.

00:56:10.000 They've got it roped off.

00:56:11.000 Not the velvet ropes to let you in at any point.

00:56:15.000 So why did you travel four hours to DC?

00:56:20.000 I'm doing, listen, I believe, and this is me personally, I believe that Jan 6 is the worst terrorist attack to ever take place on American soil.

00:56:31.000 It's Pearl Harbor, the Civil War, and 9-11 combined.

00:56:35.000 So I had to ask people, because of that, you mentioned 9-11.

00:56:39.000 I had to ask people.

00:56:40.000 Thank you for turning.

00:56:41.000 Alex is turning me around so you can see the White House behind me.

00:56:46.000 So I had to ask people, which is worse, 9-11 or Jan 6.

00:56:51.000 So I've been out about asking everybody, which would you take back, 9-11 or Jan 6?

00:56:58.000 You could go back in time.

00:56:59.000 You can only fix one, undo it from the past.

00:57:03.000 And what did they say?

00:57:05.000 Honestly, and I was shocked by this.

00:57:07.000 And I almost barked.

00:57:09.000 I almost mute.

00:57:10.000 Most people said 9-11.

00:57:14.000 They would take back 9-11.

00:57:16.000 Yeah.

00:57:17.000 There was, see that Asian guy there?

00:57:20.000 He didn't even want to answer for some reason.

00:57:22.000 I saw a group of children.

00:57:24.000 They were there and they were plotting a brand new insurrection.

00:57:28.000 Okay, so you came up with a crazy question where everyone, the answer is, obviously, 9-11 was worse.

00:57:35.000 You asked everyone, and they all said 9-11 was worse.

00:57:38.000 So your whole trip was a complete waste of time.

00:57:40.000 To be fair, this was Ryan's idea.

00:57:43.000 Okay.

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:45.000 All right.

00:57:45.000 Well, thanks for coming on and thanks for going over there.

00:57:48.000 That was great.

00:57:49.000 Hey, man.

00:57:49.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:57:50.000 Check out my channel, Pod All.

00:57:55.000 Bye.

00:57:56.000 Bye.

00:57:57.000 I love you more than my grandma. 0.96

00:58:00.000 This grandmother was a capedophile who killed kids. 1.00

00:58:03.000 I didn't know that. 0.79

00:58:05.000 They found like 30 little tiny skeletons in her basement buried under the floorboards.

00:58:12.000 Jeez Louise.

00:58:13.000 I think that's her name, Louise.

00:58:14.000 That's where that came from.

00:58:15.000 Because of the origin of Jeez Louise.

00:58:17.000 When people saw the devastation she had left behind, they said geez and then her name.

00:58:21.000 Yeah, it's like that used to scare kids.

00:58:23.000 They'd say, Louise is going to get you.

00:58:24.000 Oh, geez, Louise.

00:58:26.000 Yep.

00:58:26.000 But this is, of course, in the 1800s.

00:58:29.000 Stay off Social media tomorrow because it happens to be the 700 arrests.

00:58:37.000 What the hell is going on?

00:58:39.000 And you know what's kind of weird about it, too?

00:58:42.000 The night of January 6th, it was like, oh, there was like some sort of kerfuffle at the Capitol.

00:58:46.000 January 7th, people were like, oh, yeah, there was like a, they broke a bunch of windows.

00:58:51.000 And then maybe three days later, it was like, that was the worst thing that's ever happened.

00:58:57.000 And it's the exact same as Max and John, the proud boys who fought Antifa after my talk.

00:59:02.000 That night, it was boring.

00:59:04.000 And then the Monday, de Blasio, Cuomo, Attorney General, all of these politicians go, hate has no home in New York City.

00:59:15.000 And then it became a thing because they realized they could use it for political leverage, which is proof that it wasn't a thing.

00:59:24.000 It's like someone saying they were raped and not realizing it for a year.

00:59:30.000 Like they did with Aziz Ansari and all that cancel culture with the Me Too movement.

00:59:34.000 That was actually rape, come to think of it. 1.00

00:59:41.000 Yeah, it's a political tool.

00:59:43.000 And by the way, on this very show, it's the pinned tweet on Twitter for censored.tv.

00:59:50.000 That's D-O-T, we spell it out on Twitter.

00:59:53.000 The pinned tweet shows me and Noble Beard, December 22nd, I believe, saying Proud Boys disavow January 6th.

01:00:03.000 They can't go.

01:00:04.000 Proud Boys made a law that says if you're going to have an event, you have to talk to that local chapter and see if they support it or not.

01:00:12.000 If they say no, then you can only go there as a civilian, not as a Proud Boy.

01:00:18.000 And there's plenty of record of this, which is why they're having so much trouble prosecuting these guys.

01:00:23.000 And the D.C. Proud Boys, there isn't really D.C. Proud Boys, but there's West Virginia Proud Boys.

01:00:30.000 They said, no, we don't support it.

01:00:32.000 We're not going.

01:00:33.000 So the Proud Boys said, okay, well, according to our laws, we can't go there dressed as Proud Boys.

01:00:38.000 We have to go there as guys.

01:00:40.000 So yes, there were Proud Boys there, but they weren't there as Proud Boys.

01:00:43.000 Just like if there was dentists there, they were not representing the dental community.

01:00:51.000 And there's Noble Beard saying it.

01:00:53.000 So they're trying to prove that Proud Boys plan to overthrow the Capitol.

01:00:59.000 And isn't that one little interview, which I can prove happened on that day, way before January 6th, is that not proof that they didn't intend to storm the Bastille?

01:01:09.000 Let's talk to someone who was there, who is also a Proud Boy, censored.TV alumni, Nick Ox.

01:01:26.000 Nick, are you there, sir?

01:01:27.000 I'm there, Gavin.

01:01:28.000 How are you?

01:01:29.000 I forget how giant your head is.

01:01:31.000 Yeah, it's growing, they say, since.

01:01:34.000 Like, my whole head could fit on your forehead.

01:01:38.000 Look, if I can afford to get the hair plants in, I will.

01:01:42.000 That's a tattoo idea, by the way.

01:01:44.000 My head on your forehead.

01:01:48.000 So you were there.

01:01:48.000 We've been talking to lawyers, other people who were there.

01:01:50.000 Take us through the day.

01:01:52.000 Like, you show up.

01:01:54.000 You're flying in from what?

01:01:55.000 Hawaii?

01:01:56.000 Yeah, well, I can't take you through the day for legal reasons, but I did attend this event as a journalist, announced I was going there as a journalist, and I went there and I filmed it as a journalist.

01:02:09.000 That's my contribution.

01:02:12.000 And are you allowed to tell us how you went from outside to inside?

01:02:18.000 I guess so, yeah.

01:02:20.000 I mean, I didn't break anything or any legally questionable stuff like that, if that's what people are wondering.

01:02:29.000 I walked in with the crowd, and I was very surprised to see that the people had broken stuff on the way in.

01:02:35.000 And I was just there to film what happened, so obviously that's what you're going to film, and I did.

01:02:40.000 So you were there as a journalist for Murder the Media?

01:02:44.000 That's us, MT Media.

01:02:47.000 I don't know if we got that on camera, but still going strong.

01:02:51.000 Well, that's why we call it here at the show.

01:02:53.000 We call it the meandering, because the vast majority of people who were inside were just walking.

01:03:00.000 They were staying in between the ropes.

01:03:02.000 You know, they say Joe Biggs went in there and he's pissing on everything.

01:03:05.000 No, he went in there and used the bathroom.

01:03:07.000 He wasn't pissing on people's desks.

01:03:10.000 And when you look at the footage, like this picture above me, you see guys like, hey, man, what's going on?

01:03:16.000 Oh, hey, I'm on the phone.

01:03:17.000 I got hit with a bullet.

01:03:20.000 It's a lot of people lounging around.

01:03:23.000 Well, the mood of the day was very different than it looked on TV.

01:03:26.000 I'll tell you that.

01:03:28.000 Outside, people were angry.

01:03:30.000 Inside, that was not the attitude or the atmosphere.

01:03:35.000 Again, for legal reasons, I'm just not supposed to talk about the events of, but I'll say for my part, there's a lot of questions about how, why, how this comes together.

01:03:48.000 There were a lot of angry dads there.

01:03:50.000 That's the inside.

01:03:52.000 I want my real opinion.

01:03:53.000 That's who I saw.

01:03:54.000 I don't think there's any Antifa that had a master plan.

01:03:58.000 I don't think there was a master plan.

01:04:00.000 That's the whole truth about this.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:04:02.000 I do think Antifa were there, though.

01:04:04.000 We saw that John Sullivan, that black guy.

01:04:06.000 Oh, sure.

01:04:07.000 You have all the usual people who show up to any big protest.

01:04:11.000 I'm talking about the real nugget of what this is.

01:04:15.000 And I think that annoyed 40 to 50-year-old dads.

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:21.000 Well, they say it was an insurrection to take over the American government, which makes zero sense.

01:04:26.000 Like, China and Russia have a hope of taking over America. 0.99

01:04:31.000 It would be a bloodbath.

01:04:33.000 It would take 10 years and it would cost tens of millions of deaths.

01:04:38.000 A bunch of angry dads on a Thursday or whenever it was. 1.00

01:04:45.000 They're not going to replace the fucking government. 0.99

01:04:47.000 This is not Cuba with Shea and Fidel and a handful of farmers. 1.00

01:04:52.000 This is the most powerful nation in the world.

01:04:54.000 And then when I say that to liberals, they go, no, no, we don't mean like literally take over the government, but they Wanted to mess with the process for a day.

01:05:03.000 And I'm like, okay, I don't believe that.

01:05:06.000 But even if that were true, all right.

01:05:08.000 So a wrench in the works for an hour?

01:05:11.000 Like, well, if it's even that, I mean, I understand the ceremonial nature of certifying a voter or whatever.

01:05:19.000 And I don't think that people, anyone really believe they're going to like, if I go wave this sign hard enough, like Trump gets to be president again.

01:05:26.000 I just don't think that's a real line of thought, to be honest with you.

01:05:29.000 So it's sort of like when Kanye got up and Taylor Swift was getting that award and he was like, no, no, I, you know, Beyonce deserves this award and ruined her acceptance speech, which was rude and tacky.

01:05:43.000 But should he go to jail for that?

01:05:45.000 I mean, was Taylor still got the award?

01:05:49.000 Yeah, the, well, you know, things go forward as they go.

01:05:53.000 I've never been under the illusion that I'm going to really change anything with demonstrations.

01:06:00.000 I don't think demonstrations in general just, it's, maybe people enjoy them, but I don't see them as affecting democracy that much, as they say.

01:06:11.000 I agree, especially when there was a big one in November, a big one in December.

01:06:14.000 Like, we got it.

01:06:15.000 We got it.

01:06:16.000 Like, one a month for that whole time just seemed excessive to me, which is why I said don't go.

01:06:20.000 But can you tell us about life after that day?

01:06:24.000 So you go back to the hotel, whatever.

01:06:26.000 You weren't arrested or anything that day, right?

01:06:28.000 No, well, I got in a plane, flew back to Hawaii, and I was immediately arrested in the airport because they waited to go get your bag so they know you're the one.

01:06:39.000 And yeah, so I was throwing in.

01:06:41.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:06:42.000 Are we allowed to get into detail there?

01:06:44.000 I guess so.

01:06:45.000 I mean, the FBI snatched me up.

01:06:47.000 So you get your bags.

01:06:49.000 Are you alone?

01:06:50.000 Yeah, I'm just, you know, I'm going to pick up my bag.

01:06:54.000 And, you know, it's Hawaii, so there's all kinds of COVID regulations you can't even imagine.

01:06:58.000 I had to go sign papers or say I'm not ill or whatever the hell it was back then.

01:07:03.000 And that took a minute, and I was taking my time, so I wanted to go get my bag.

01:07:06.000 And that's at which point they get you and put me in some sort of affordable car.

01:07:13.000 You know, take your phones, all that.

01:07:15.000 Wait, wait, did they say, are you Nick Ox?

01:07:17.000 And then they have the little badge thing?

01:07:20.000 What am I going to say, you know?

01:07:21.000 No.

01:07:22.000 You know what I would do?

01:07:23.000 And I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I would say yes. 0.93

01:07:27.000 And then when they turn around, I would go, and then the other guy, I would bring him down and hit him with my knee.

01:07:35.000 And then I would do a big, slow circle kick that knocked them out, like knocked them to the ground, sorry.

01:07:40.000 Then I would get up on the thing that has the luggage and be running along that and then jump over that thing, run out to where the exit is, rip someone out of their car.

01:07:51.000 You thought of this?

01:07:53.000 Yeah, you know, they're very professional people, the FBI.

01:07:56.000 I'm sure I never would have gotten with anything like that.

01:07:58.000 We all love the FBI.

01:08:00.000 I've seen movies where it happens 100 times.

01:08:03.000 I don't think it's that complicated.

01:08:04.000 So you go into the affordable car, and then where do they take you?

01:08:10.000 There's some kind of office they got out in Hawaii.

01:08:13.000 And, you know, they're like, do you want to talk to us?

01:08:17.000 You know, you can sign away all your rights.

01:08:18.000 And I remember they gave me some paper. 0.64

01:08:21.000 And I declined to talk to them without a lawyer, you know, because I'm dumb, but there's limits. 0.61

01:08:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:27.000 Who the fuck is like, thank you for that opportunity? 0.99

01:08:30.000 Here we go. 1.00

01:08:34.000 You have to be a mental patient. 0.99

01:08:36.000 Well, people do. 0.62

01:08:38.000 I mean, if you ever watch police interviews, it doesn't take much.

01:08:42.000 Anyway, so I just don't touch a cops without lawyers.

01:08:46.000 So I declined to do that, and I was thrown in a federal prison for a week with a trespassing charge, which I was told later is not normal.

01:08:56.000 Yeah, that sounds unprecedented.

01:08:59.000 And some other charges came later, to no great surprise at that point.

01:09:04.000 So are you allowed to say what charges you're facing?

01:09:08.000 Yeah, I'm facing up to 20 years.

01:09:10.000 That's what I'm facing.

01:09:11.000 With what charges?

01:09:12.000 That's the...

01:09:13.000 All right, so it's a very specific thing.

01:09:16.000 I think in 2009, maybe 2011, sometime around there, they added like a clause to a paragraph to witness intimidation, basically.

01:09:25.000 And that's, there's, it says if you interrupt an official meeting, it's the same thing as like trying to punk out a jury.

01:09:31.000 And the ACLU lost their minds back in the day.

01:09:33.000 You haven't heard much from them recently on the subject.

01:09:36.000 But that's what they're using because they're saying, well, you interrupted an official proceeding or a meeting of some kind.

01:09:43.000 And so that's 20 years.

01:09:46.000 You know, like sedition carries 20 years.

01:09:47.000 And I guess the legal debate was whether to charge people with that or sedition.

01:09:51.000 And this is seen as an easier thing.

01:09:54.000 Sedition is kind of like a crazy thing to charge people with.

01:09:58.000 And this they feel they could maybe legally push this further.

01:10:02.000 I guess.

01:10:03.000 I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I get from reading the internet.

01:10:07.000 But Antifa and the radical left have been doing exactly that, and there's no debate about it in their case, burning down police headquarters all over the Pacific Northwest.

01:10:18.000 You know, the idea that interrupting any kind of politician at work is 20 years, that means the prisons would be full of protesters because that's all Antifa's been doing.

01:10:30.000 Well, that approach has been tried, believe it or not.

01:10:33.000 And the judge that most recently commented on that said that it's different because they burned down courthouses and such at night.

01:10:42.000 Yes.

01:10:42.000 And they're not heinous.

01:10:44.000 So it's not really the same that these people said that.

01:10:51.000 They're not going to use that because they just let them go.

01:10:53.000 They're like, oh, there's the ones that did get punished and they got this and that.

01:10:57.000 It's strange.

01:10:57.000 Anyway, from what I understand, that's not going to be a defense in this thing, is that there's a disparity in treatment between right and left protesters.

01:11:05.000 It's just whether it should or not, I'll leave that up to your viewers to decide, but it's not working.

01:11:10.000 I see.

01:11:11.000 So I, you know, so much of this is just conjecture and guessing.

01:11:15.000 And I definitely felt about five months ago that 20 years was possible, at least for like half a dozen or a dozen, no, half a dozen of the guys.

01:11:27.000 Now my gut says everyone's looking at something, but it's going to range from like one to two, not even three years probation kind of thing.

01:11:38.000 Because the big trespassing, vandalism, all that rioting is easy to prove.

01:11:43.000 But sedition, conspiracy, all of that is, I mean, a mountain of work.

01:11:50.000 And I don't think there's any evidence because I don't think you did conspire, any of you.

01:11:56.000 No, when I pleaded not guilty, I mean, I mean it.

01:11:59.000 I didn't conspire. 0.98

01:12:00.000 I just, like, I'm this dumb. 0.99

01:12:02.000 This is me. 0.97

01:12:05.000 Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to get.

01:12:08.000 I can't predict such a thing.

01:12:10.000 I don't think I'm going away for 20 years.

01:12:13.000 I'm pretty sure I'm going to prison.

01:12:15.000 Like, I'm going to prison.

01:12:17.000 How does that make you feel?

01:12:19.000 I'm fine with it.

01:12:20.000 Yeah?

01:12:21.000 You got a newborn? 0.85

01:12:23.000 I do, yeah.

01:12:24.000 And so if you have to get locked up, he's not newborn anymore.

01:12:27.000 He just turned two here the day after Christmas.

01:12:28.000 But it's a good time to get locked up, if that makes sense.

01:12:32.000 My boy won't be so old that, you know, he's scared of me when I come out, hopefully.

01:12:39.000 You know, when I grew up, my dad was gone a lot because he was deployed.

01:12:43.000 You know, he'd be in Somalia or whatever.

01:12:45.000 And I'm fine.

01:12:46.000 I'm not trying to talk tough.

01:12:47.000 I just, this is not the end of the world.

01:12:50.000 Like, I'm fine.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, I think the end of the world is five or more years with a kid who is five or more.

01:12:58.000 This is manageable.

01:13:00.000 It's insane.

01:13:01.000 And it's just me talking.

01:13:02.000 I'm not speaking on behalf of Nick. 0.99

01:13:04.000 I think this is fucking insane. 0.99

01:13:06.000 I think this is all about optics. 0.99

01:13:08.000 This is a PR stunt as far as I'm concerned, not Nick.

01:13:12.000 And I think it's a good example of the decay of our justice system.

01:13:16.000 It's just me talking, not Nick.

01:13:21.000 But within all of that clown world parameter, you getting, you know, two years, getting out in a year and a half, your kid being three and a half, it's digestible.

01:13:34.000 Horrific, but digestible.

01:13:38.000 It's, yeah, it is what it is.

01:13:41.000 I'm not going to complain about it.

01:13:42.000 I'm just not.

01:13:43.000 Okay.

01:13:44.000 Now, your wife, who's African-American, you should capitalize on that. 1.00

01:13:48.000 You should always have a picture of her behind you for every interview.

01:13:52.000 Or maybe just get a tattoo of her on your cheek.

01:13:55.000 I really don't show her off for that reason.

01:13:58.000 I get accused of it all the time.

01:14:01.000 It's a funny thing being in my position and with the interracial thing.

01:14:06.000 My wife, I want to say, has handled this better than anybody should have to.

01:14:11.000 You know what D.L. Hughley is, that guy?

01:14:14.000 Oh, I hate that guy. 0.88

01:14:15.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:14:16.000 He's got little spiky dreads.

01:14:18.000 Michael Malice swears by him.

01:14:21.000 I think Michael Malice ghostwrote his book.

01:14:24.000 Yeah, he's fantastic.

01:14:25.000 So here's what D.L. Hughley did to my wife. 0.72

01:14:28.000 I'm in prison, and I don't know if I'm ever getting out.

01:14:32.000 You don't know if this is like 50 years or it's a publicity separate day.

01:14:37.000 You just don't know because I didn't talk to anybody, no calls, no TV, none of that, right?

01:14:41.000 In the meantime, D.L. Hughley tweeted a picture.

01:14:44.000 It's a novelty photo from the 60s or 70s of a landsman in full hood, right? 0.88

01:14:50.000 Wait a naked black chick over his shoulder. 1.00

01:14:55.000 And he says, this is Nick Oakes. 0.99

01:14:57.000 And this picture was confiscated from his house with his wife draped over his shoulder in the nude.

01:15:04.000 And so this hit black Twitter, and it just, it became a massive thing.

01:15:08.000 And I mean, my wife, a black part of Philadelphia.

01:15:14.000 Like, it's, I know this is hard on her through people she knows, through the most insane things people say.

01:15:19.000 And there's just no, what are you going to do about it?

01:15:22.000 You know, sue somebody for defamation?

01:15:24.000 But wait a minute.

01:15:24.000 When I saw, I saw that tweet and I thought, yeah, that's probably true.

01:15:28.000 And it's funny.

01:15:29.000 They had a funny picture on their wall.

01:15:32.000 No, it's like from a novelty calendar or something from the 60s.

01:15:37.000 I don't know where you would go get a clan suit, but that's a lot of work for a novelty photo, to be honest.

01:15:43.000 No, no, I meant you had found it somewhere and it was on your wall with your memorabilia and stuff.

01:15:49.000 No, no.

01:15:51.000 The FBI never raided my house, first of all.

01:15:53.000 Ah, okay.

01:15:54.000 I just assume they listen to my calls, but like they really have bugged me personally.

01:16:00.000 That's funny because I believed it and I just went, oh, relax. 0.95

01:16:03.000 Him and his wife obviously have a sense of humor and they have a dumb joke picture on their wall. 0.96

01:16:08.000 No, it's completely made up by D.L. Hegley or whoever made that in the first place. 0.94

01:16:12.000 I don't know, but he made it popular also.

01:16:15.000 Well, what the left has done, right, is they've said, I've decided that everyone to the right of me is racist, and that's a comfortable fit, and you can't defend yourself, right?

01:16:25.000 How do you prove that you don't believe a thing? 0.96

01:16:27.000 And then all of a sudden, they start noticing that some of them have black wives.

01:16:31.000 And because they put all of the eggs in the racism basket, it's a very fragile belief system. 0.99

01:16:39.000 So once you just go pook with a black wife, the whole thing falls apart. 1.00

01:16:43.000 So now they have to reinvent the basket and they go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1.00

01:16:47.000 It's like a slave owner raping his slave, which totally demeans the wife, by the way. 1.00

01:16:54.000 She's this stupid bitch now who is like constantly abused and takes it. 1.00

01:16:59.000 Like I'd love to see that. 1.00

01:17:00.000 They say the same about Zenoa Kinsman, John's wife.

01:17:03.000 And I'm like, I'd love to see you say the bedwench thing to her face in person. 1.00

01:17:07.000 I have a feeling you'll be a little less brave about throwing that term around when you're talking about the actual person, like a 9-11 truther talking to the family of a victim.

01:17:18.000 But it's amazing how they keep reinventing the wheel. 0.96

01:17:21.000 And they bring up some guy who fucked his slave, like Thomas Jefferson or something, one million years ago, to maintain this retarded belief system that everyone on the right is a white supremacist. 0.99

01:17:36.000 You have to do some serious gymnastics. 0.99

01:17:38.000 Like, you know, the word, they only say the word racist because that's what gets you fired.

01:17:43.000 You know, if people who really who hated pop-tarts got fired, they call you a Pop-Tart hater.

01:17:51.000 It doesn't, that's why they use the word.

01:17:52.000 It doesn't have to make sense.

01:17:54.000 And of course, if you call them on it, as I've been known to occasionally do, then yeah, they got to jump through hoops.

01:17:59.000 But And you do get the bed winch thing a lot, especially my wife. 1.00

01:18:03.000 She hears it more than me because, again, you know, she's on the internet.

01:18:08.000 And that's bad.

01:18:10.000 Like, it's a lot for her to deal with.

01:18:12.000 You know, I get used to this.

01:18:13.000 She didn't ask to sign up for the, it just comes along, my baggage in life, and she handles it like a pro. 0.94

01:18:20.000 I'm glad to hear that because we all have that experience with our wives in this crazy clown world. 1.00

01:18:26.000 And I understand it genetically as a cave woman because you're like, I'm married to this man.

01:18:31.000 He's going to protect me, put a roof over my head.

01:18:34.000 You know, he keeps the monsters away from the cave.

01:18:36.000 And then all her friends dump her.

01:18:39.000 Her family's weird around her. 1.00

01:18:41.000 And it's the same result as this philandering, shitty husband who's a drug addict and keeps fucking girls in the bar. 1.00

01:18:49.000 Like it's the same blowback. 1.00

01:18:52.000 Even though the husband's innocent, it's the same sort of results.

01:18:56.000 So, you know, cave-wise, her brain, I'm not just talking about your wife, my wife too, her brain goes, husband bad, him hurt, family, ooh, ug, ug, no like man, bad man.

01:19:09.000 And it takes a lot to overcome that instinct and go, yeah, that is the result, but it's not fair.

01:19:14.000 So I stand by him.

01:19:17.000 Exactly.

01:19:17.000 That's what I'm so thankful for.

01:19:19.000 And just, she can deflect it too because it's all so dumb. 0.97

01:19:21.000 I mean, when people say I'm a fetishizer or whatever, like, we have a kid. 0.98

01:19:26.000 Like, I'm around here.

01:19:28.000 That's not what that word means.

01:19:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:32.000 But it's just, you see both sides of it.

01:19:34.000 Really, I'm in a unique position in a lot of ways.

01:19:36.000 I remember for our baby shower, right?

01:19:40.000 She went to Philadelphia to see the people she knows, blah, blah, blah.

01:19:45.000 We were at, I won't go into where, but we were decorating this venue and met her family, nice folks.

01:19:55.000 Everybody's there, you know?

01:19:57.000 There were some cowboys there. 0.99

01:19:59.000 I saw somebody who's dressed like an Egyptian pharaoh, you know, not as a joke.

01:20:04.000 Everybody shows up.

01:20:05.000 It's the whole spectrum.

01:20:06.000 Anyway, later in the news, I saw somebody I recognized who I helped put decorations up with, sort of a distant family member of hers, had run over two cops on purpose during the Philadelphia because cops aren't bad, right?

01:20:22.000 And just that's what she decided to do.

01:20:24.000 So within 24 hours, and she's not a person who has no connections to that.

01:20:29.000 She was completely bailed out of jail.

01:20:31.000 There's a team of lawyers out.

01:20:33.000 Still out as far as I know.

01:20:35.000 And it makes you think, you know, everything gets the knot.

01:20:40.000 Yeah, well, you're sort of cutting in and out there towards the end of the story, but I think I got it.

01:20:44.000 And Donald Trump Jr. summed it up.

01:20:47.000 I was going to say black privilege, but it's really liberal privilege.

01:20:50.000 We're living in an era of liberal privilege, and there's no limit to the heinous crimes you can get away with if it's under the name of supporting the DNC. 0.99

01:21:00.000 If you're in Antifa and you're firebombing shit, they'll work it out. 0.95

01:21:03.000 I think that the pendulum is swinging back. 0.99

01:21:05.000 I think Antifa is starting to get arrested.

01:21:07.000 But, you know, two years ago, last year even, someone would punch a cop in the head and all of a sudden they were Antifa, these magic lawyers would just appear out of nowhere.

01:21:20.000 And their funds were limitless.

01:21:22.000 That's what we were talking about with John Pierce, too.

01:21:25.000 You guys are up against limitless funds.

01:21:29.000 It's crazy.

01:21:30.000 And it's hard because I can't raise money for it.

01:21:33.000 You know, I'm banned from everything.

01:21:34.000 I'm definitely more banned than Laura Loomer, by the way, if she wants to go head-to-head on that.

01:21:42.000 It's insane that I can't do that.

01:21:46.000 I really can't.

01:21:46.000 And it's not just go fund me.

01:21:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:49.000 Like, it's the right-wing sites too are too scared to touch me.

01:21:52.000 So I appreciate you having me on.

01:21:55.000 It's noticeable.

01:21:56.000 So can you get a give, send, go?

01:21:59.000 I haven't tried to raise money forever because I just get banned from everything.

01:22:02.000 I mean, yeah, if people want to help me out, you can maybe hit me in person.

01:22:07.000 I'll figure that away.

01:22:08.000 But you're not going to Venmo me to pay that much.

01:22:12.000 Yeah.

01:22:12.000 Let's get a give, send, go going because we just had some success with John Kinsman's kids for Christmas, a little toy drive.

01:22:21.000 Yeah, they shut me down in the early days.

01:22:24.000 Oh, really?

01:22:26.000 Frustrating.

01:22:28.000 Well, I get the vibe, Nick, and so much of this is just about vibes because the facts are devoid of logic.

01:22:34.000 I get the vibe that you're a little more solid right now and things are more tangible.

01:22:40.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:41.000 Like, you're more in control and the world is a little more ordered than it was a year ago.

01:22:46.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously I'm facing uncertainty, all that.

01:22:50.000 I haven't lived a very certain life, I guess.

01:22:52.000 I take this stuff on stride.

01:22:54.000 I'm doing fine, personally.

01:22:56.000 I don't want the viewers to worry about me.

01:23:00.000 If I do get locked up, I'll say this on air.

01:23:03.000 I will never kill myself.

01:23:06.000 Good to know.

01:23:07.000 Nick Hawks didn't kill himself.

01:23:10.000 All right, man, keep in touch.

01:23:11.000 Let's stay in touch and see where this is going.

01:23:14.000 Thanks for having me on, Gavin.

01:23:15.000 I'll talk to you later.

01:23:16.000 Cheers, buddy.

01:23:22.000 Try not to play the beginning of that because he says tomorrow.

01:23:25.000 And he recorded that on January 5th.

01:23:28.000 I shouldn't have played that song.

01:23:29.000 You know what I should have played?

01:23:30.000 The song that the Proud Boys blare from their truck when they march through Long Island, the Five Points Proud Boys, which is like five different boroughs of New York.

01:23:43.000 They play the Pine Tar Rebellion song.

01:23:45.000 Is that what it's called?

01:23:46.000 Pine Tar, Pine Camp?

01:23:49.000 Pine something Rebellion?

01:23:51.000 And this was, it sums up the club perfectly, I think.

01:23:55.000 When the war started, the American Revolution, fighting the British, the Brits realized they're going to need more ships, and they realized ships need masts, and that means trees.

01:24:06.000 So they told, the Pine Tree Rebellion, they told lumberjacks not to cut down any trees that were bigger than this, because they need them.

01:24:17.000 So those are the property of the crown.

01:24:19.000 If it has a diameter this big, then it's the property of the crown.

01:24:22.000 You may not touch them because we need them for masts so we can shoot you from our boats with cannons. 1.00

01:24:29.000 And so the Americans said, fuck you. 1.00

01:24:31.000 And they started chopping them down and using them for their own means. 1.00

01:24:35.000 Not their own way.

01:24:36.000 They were arrested for that. 0.99

01:24:39.000 And then the Americans beat the shit out of the sheriff with pine branches. 0.70

01:24:45.000 They beat up the British who came to prosecute them and ultimately ended up winning the war. 0.94

01:24:51.000 So it's a great anti-authority, anti-government anthem.

01:25:00.000 And when they did it on Long Island, the mayor of the town, whatever town it was, had a vigil at a synagogue.

01:25:08.000 What?

01:25:09.000 Because they don't support hate on Long Island.

01:25:12.000 And you're like, you're talking about the Pine Tree Rebellion.

01:25:16.000 What you love?

01:25:17.000 Are you British?

01:25:19.000 Have a vigil at the British Embassy if you want to make some kind of sense.

01:25:24.000 Get him out of here.

01:25:26.000 Get out.

01:25:27.000 No, no.

01:25:28.000 All right, let's talk law here.

01:25:33.000 The other lawyer we have on today's show, Mr. Dan Hall.

01:25:37.000 I want you to try to ignore the fact that he looks exactly like Paul McCartney during this interview and focus on what he's talking about, folks, okay? 1.00

01:25:46.000 Only an idiot, an imbecile baby would be staring at him thinking, holy shit, he looks exactly like Paul McCartney. 1.00

01:25:54.000 This is a serious show. 1.00

01:25:55.000 We do real news and talk to real people.

01:25:58.000 That's right.

01:25:59.000 Right?

01:25:59.000 Yes.

01:26:00.000 Here we go.

01:26:02.000 Don't you know it's going to last?

01:26:07.000 Dan, are you there, sir?

01:26:09.000 I am.

01:26:10.000 Good afternoon.

01:26:11.000 Good afternoon.

01:26:12.000 Let me introduce you to the viewers.

01:26:15.000 You are the lawyer that is representing Mr. Joe Biggs for his meandering on January 6th.

01:26:23.000 I represent Joseph Biggs in connection with one of the criminal proceedings brought in the District of Columbia.

01:26:29.000 That's right.

01:26:31.000 Wait, so you're only representing him for one charge and someone else is representing him for another charge?

01:26:36.000 No, no, I'm representing him and for all the charges against him.

01:26:39.000 Oh, good.

01:26:39.000 Okay.

01:26:40.000 He's been sued with three other individuals who are supposedly leaders of the Proud Boys on that day.

01:26:48.000 But I'm also representing another January 6th figure who wasn't there named Henry Terrio in connection with the House of Representatives investigation.

01:27:01.000 Right.

01:27:01.000 Now, we were just talking to a documentarian who was filming Joe that day.

01:27:07.000 And we brought up the New York Times article where they said that weird prospect kid said Joe showed him a gun and said, let's go into the Capitol.

01:27:18.000 This filmmaker has footage of that meeting, and you clearly see there's no gun involved.

01:27:24.000 You can see a gun?

01:27:26.000 No, no.

01:27:26.000 You clearly see no gun involved.

01:27:28.000 You see them talking about the Ryan Samsel myth, which is one of the strangest stories that I've heard since I've been involved in this.

01:27:39.000 First of all, no proud boy that I know had a gun that day, and certainly Joe Biggs didn't.

01:27:46.000 He came from Florida.

01:27:50.000 The myth is that a gentleman named Ryan Samsel, who has quite a criminal history that's remarkable, put his arm around Joe and said something.

01:28:04.000 And Joe said, showed him a gun and said, I want you to go up and break down one of those barriers and mess with one of those cops.

01:28:12.000 And Samson is supposed to have said, you know, I'm hesitant about that, which is very unlikely. 1.00

01:28:20.000 And Joe said, well, you're a pussy. 1.00

01:28:21.000 And if you don't go up there, you're not a real man. 1.00

01:28:26.000 That is total mythology.

01:28:27.000 That's the kind of stories that come out of January 6th.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, it's crazy the interpretation, like the perception versus reality.

01:28:35.000 I've never seen a case where those two are farther apart.

01:28:40.000 The perception is that there was an insurrection.

01:28:42.000 The reality is that there was a meandering.

01:28:45.000 And like, for example, Joe Biggs broke in there and started urinating everywhere.

01:28:50.000 No, while he was in there, he used the public bathroom.

01:28:54.000 Well, he did.

01:28:55.000 And one of the interesting things about all of this is, of course, that the Justice Department has selected the Prow Boys as low-hanging fruit to pin a conspiracy plan or coordination of obstruction of the Harris-Biden certification.

01:29:14.000 And the truth is, there was no plan, there was no conspiracy, there's no coordination.

01:29:18.000 The Prowboys were doing that day what they always do, which is march around, get their pictures taken, say some hammy things. 0.90

01:29:28.000 In this case, they was their fourth time in Washington that year, and they did what they always did.

01:29:34.000 They went to the east front of the Capitol, got their pictures taken, said F Antifa a few times, and then walked back down to the right down Constitution Avenue and had lunch.

01:29:49.000 And while they were having lunch, Trump's speech ended, and they were about to go back to the ellipse, and at the last minute decided to go up to the bottom of Capitol Hill.

01:30:00.000 And I don't know about you, but after I've had a couple of hoagies, I always want to storm the Bastion.

01:30:09.000 And that's the films tell that story, the films that everybody can see.

01:30:13.000 But there wasn't any, it was the normal Proud Boy march, except there weren't very many people.

01:30:22.000 It was during the day, which is normal, not many people, out of uniform for a reason.

01:30:26.000 And there was a plan to go back to the ellipse or a place closer to the White House, away, about a mile and a half from the Capitol.

01:30:38.000 And that didn't happen because at the last minute, there was this magic moment where somebody looked over their shoulder and said, who are these people marching up the hill?

01:30:46.000 And they were not any kind of, quote, militia or just looked like mom and pops, folks from Ohio, North Carolina, New Jersey, whoever, were going up the hill about one o'clock.

01:31:01.000 And they were still sitting down eating lunch.

01:31:03.000 And somebody said, well, we're going to go.

01:31:06.000 We're going to go back to the ellipse.

01:31:07.000 And then somebody else said, well, what's that?

01:31:08.000 And then they made the mistake of walking over to the bottom of the hill and hanging out there for a little while.

01:31:15.000 A few cheers, a few fantifas.

01:31:18.000 And, you know, the rest, then there's this magic moment where somebody decides, let's follow these people up the hill, which was a bad move.

01:31:28.000 Because once you follow people up the hill, you're trespassing.

01:31:31.000 You're not in First Amendment land anymore.

01:31:34.000 So you're right.

01:31:38.000 To look at the films, Joe walked.

01:31:40.000 He's hardly storming anyone.

01:31:42.000 He and his compatriots, well, one in particular who you know named Rufio Panman or aka Ethan Nordine stood quietly.

01:31:53.000 They're looking at their cell phones.

01:31:54.000 There is some violence and fighting going on in the outside of the Capitol.

01:31:59.000 But twice, and there's a film of one of these, the two of them tore a demonstrator or fighter off a Capitol Hilltop.

01:32:10.000 They weren't very animated.

01:32:11.000 They went to the bathroom, went to the Capitol, did use the bathroom, went up to the Senate chambers.

01:32:16.000 But it's not like, I think people are going to be disappointed when they finally see the films of Joe, who was usually by himself in those films, walking and strolling around in the Capitol like it's the first trip to the Smithsonian.

01:32:31.000 You know, it's amazing how much work you've done for all this, the research and the legal work you've done.

01:32:39.000 I don't think people understand how incredibly expensive these things are.

01:32:45.000 I mean, ideally you have, what, a million per representative?

01:32:49.000 Like, a million for Ethan, a million for Biggs.

01:32:53.000 I'm retained in this.

01:32:55.000 I'm not like, I don't do pro bono.

01:32:57.000 I'm not, there's three kinds of lawyers.

01:32:59.000 There's retained people, it's people who get paid.

01:33:01.000 There's CJA appointments, which are kind of like a private version of public defenders, and public defenders.

01:33:10.000 And by the way, the public defenders and the CGA people, for the most part, are excellent, especially the public defenders.

01:33:16.000 Retained people are different, and I'm used to representing corporations, often in crimes, always in federal courts. 0.98

01:33:24.000 But the budget for this for two corporations, if you will, going at each other for a six-week trial after a month of preparation would be astronomical.

01:33:36.000 I won't even mention it here.

01:33:38.000 But I will say, though, that even lowering your rate, probably the budget for, you know, the people the Justice Department have identified as being leaders of a group or really part of destruction and conspiracy,

01:33:54.000 there's not many charge of that.

01:33:56.000 That's at least a half million dollar budget to defend.

01:33:58.000 And that's on the low side.

01:34:01.000 Half a million dollars.

01:34:03.000 And this is a problem.

01:34:06.000 You need to remember that the just, and I think you know this, the Justice Department has an unlimited budget.

01:34:11.000 Exactly.

01:34:11.000 Very good lawyers.

01:34:12.000 They throw good people at this.

01:34:14.000 And they're throwing very good people at Joe's case in particular.

01:34:18.000 Yeah, it's all about the optics.

01:34:19.000 Well, we were talking to John Pierce earlier, and we were using analogies like, it's like the little engine that could versus a bunch of F-14 fighter jets.

01:34:29.000 I mean, you're not even in the same universe, and that's a real problem with our justice system.

01:34:34.000 Once the state is out to get you, how is this different from Stalinism?

01:34:39.000 Because the courts have a 98% guilty rate, and it's you and your petty, like when I say you, I mean Joe Biggs, it's the average citizen and whatever he's managed to save throughout his life versus literally infinity.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, and these are big deal cases and important cases.

01:34:59.000 And, you know, the verdict, if you will, is still out on what really happened that day.

01:35:05.000 Nobody's talking, everybody's on the right and the left are talking about really crazy, mindless narratives that never happened, conspiracy theories, at best.

01:35:15.000 This was the madness of crowds pushed along a little bit maybe by some of the things that Trump said in his speech.

01:35:21.000 There may have been some professional crowd fomenters in it.

01:35:26.000 But there's a lot of people involved, and we're not sure about that, but it does not look like when all is said and done, there's going to be a conspiracy or plan storyline for this.

01:35:40.000 However, right now there is, and there will be up until the time of Joe's trial.

01:35:44.000 And that's what I'm faced with.

01:35:45.000 Well, that seems to be going back and forth here when we talk to John, who, by the way, wants to become best friends with you.

01:35:55.000 I'm sorry, Gavin, say that again.

01:35:56.000 John wants to be your best friend.

01:36:00.000 With me?

01:36:00.000 Yeah.

01:36:03.000 Well, no, I mean, we haven't had dinner yet, but sure.

01:36:07.000 Okay, so you have an opening in the best friend position.

01:36:09.000 That's good to know.

01:36:10.000 No, I'd like to, I'm not exactly sure what you said.

01:36:12.000 I'd love to meet John, and John and I need to talk about some things anyway, but I think that I'm very happy that good lawyers like John got involved in this because some of the lawyers are better than others.

01:36:27.000 And you see that a lot.

01:36:28.000 And one of the reasons for that, and I think you and I talked about this a couple of days off camera, is that you can get lots of people from the larger firms to represent the Taliban, but you can't for some reason get anybody to represent anyone who marched up that hill that day.

01:36:46.000 And this is true of Proud Boys and the right in general.

01:36:49.000 Like I was getting sued last year for some made-up charge, and the lawyers kept refusing.

01:36:55.000 And every time they would refuse to represent me, I'd say, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer had a lawyer.

01:37:01.000 And that's right.

01:37:02.000 And there's some, he did.

01:37:05.000 And this case is public defenders do make sense for a lot of these clients, but some of them, public defenders are busy, very busy.

01:37:14.000 And I talk to Joe every day, period, no matter what.

01:37:19.000 He shouldn't be where he is.

01:37:20.000 He's, of course, detained pretrial based on his future dangerousness.

01:37:25.000 Oh, right.

01:37:26.000 So he's in the shoe, right?

01:37:27.000 He's in solitary right now.

01:37:29.000 He's not in solitary.

01:37:30.000 He's actually in a federal subset or hold of a jail in Florida, which is actually probably of the four jails involved with these four, his three codependents, probably the best, but it's still jail.

01:37:46.000 He shouldn't be there.

01:37:47.000 And the notion that he has future dangerousness attributes under the Bail Reform Act is a little bit insane if you think about this presupposes that the reason he was put back in jail is,

01:38:03.000 hey, he might do this again.

01:38:05.000 I mean, the idea of future dangerousness is we want to have people in jail pre-trial for, you know, forgery, rape, auto theft, things that they have a history of doing.

01:38:17.000 Joe has no criminal record.

01:38:19.000 And it's very unlikely, I think, that anyone, especially Joe, who was out for three months between the time he was finally incarcerated and he was first processed, is going to commit another insurrection.

01:38:33.000 That's just crazy.

01:38:35.000 It's nuts.

01:38:36.000 Or organize something similar to that.

01:38:38.000 So you have a man who's in jail based on the notion that basically a theory.

01:38:45.000 Evidence hasn't been presented in a courtyard, but here's somebody who helped plan and organize and coordinate proud boys.

01:38:54.000 And he should be in jail before he has trial because he might do this again if he was allowed to be home.

01:39:01.000 Yeah, it's just more of the clown world optics war that's going on with this thing. 0.97

01:39:07.000 I interrupted myself with a dumb best friend joke earlier. 0.91

01:39:09.000 What I wanted to get to is we all want this to be recognized for what it is. 0.99

01:39:15.000 A silly petty crime.

01:39:17.000 It's trespassing. 0.91

01:39:18.000 It might be vandalism.

01:39:20.000 We don't want it to get to conspiracy.

01:39:22.000 I'm getting mixed answers on is conspiracy easy to prove?

01:39:30.000 Well, I think it's very hard to prove.

01:39:33.000 It's easy to allege, and that's what's keeping everything together.

01:39:36.000 I see.

01:39:37.000 The problem is once you have it sort of in place, all the defendants in a conspiracy are, of course, responsible for what the others said and did.

01:39:46.000 But it's a good question.

01:39:48.000 I would say that much easier to allege and theorize than to prove.

01:39:53.000 And I think it's going to be very difficult for the government to do that.

01:39:56.000 Conspiracy should have all the resources.

01:39:58.000 They have a D.C. jury.

01:40:01.000 No, that doesn't mean that the jurors are black.

01:40:03.000 That means that they're woke people of all different colors who likely don't like Proud Boys and don't know anything about them.

01:40:13.000 Yeah, I think the D.C. rate for voting for Trump was something like 2%.

01:40:18.000 So the odds of them being sympathetic are very low.

01:40:21.000 But surely conspiracy involves dates and times and places.

01:40:25.000 Meet me at the steps at 4.30.

01:40:28.000 We'll storm the Bastille at 4.35. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Just saying, let's fuck shit up. 1.00

01:40:34.000 That's what you say before every Mets game. 1.00

01:40:37.000 No, I do too.

01:40:38.000 And one of the Prowboys did two things that were unfortunate.

01:40:43.000 And one was what they usually do, and that is like saying a lot of things that everybody in half of America was saying between the election of Joe Biden and the inauguration.

01:40:57.000 And the other thing they did was they decided to go up that hill.

01:41:00.000 Going up that hill, which is bad, and it's trespass, but it's super trespass on a constitutional day.

01:41:08.000 And it's on a day when even a Trump appointee thinks, wait, you might be interfering here with the peaceful transfer of power, which is a fair thing.

01:41:18.000 But in the case of the Prowboys, and that's distinct from some of these other groups, I don't want to talk about other groups of people, whether they have names or not, but there's no plan like, you know, we do this, we meet here, you're right.

01:41:32.000 We have guns that we're going to bring across the river and nothing like that at all.

01:41:37.000 And every indication showed that they were probably not going to storm anything or do any violence.

01:41:43.000 They weren't armed.

01:41:44.000 They were wearing stab-proof vests.

01:41:48.000 Some of them couldn't afford it and had to borrow money to get it.

01:41:51.000 There weren't a lot of Proud Boys that day.

01:41:52.000 They left their wives and girlfriends at home.

01:41:56.000 And the notion was that they might be stabbed during the day.

01:42:00.000 As you know, on December 12th and the rally before, a month before, four Proud Boys were stabbed by members of NT.

01:42:07.000 That's why I said don't go.

01:42:09.000 Because the takeaway from that stabbing was that Proud Boys showed up in D.C. and a stabbing ensued, not Proud Boys were stabbed.

01:42:17.000 Yeah, and one of the things that was really interesting to me is the Washington Post, which I used to admire, mentioned the stabbings.

01:42:25.000 I went back and looked at it, but it almost made it look as though it was the fault of the Proud Boys, and it wasn't at all.

01:42:31.000 It was a rank-and-file Antifa member stabbed four of them.

01:42:36.000 This kind of thing had happened before, but the idea was when we come back, let's be incognito, not because that would make it easier to pull off the, you know, storming the Bastille or interfering with the Harris Biden certification,

01:42:53.000 but it would make it harder for them to see us.

01:42:57.000 Same thing with communication.

01:42:58.000 Well, wait, wait, Dan, there was another thing.

01:43:02.000 Right before January 6th, the Proud Boys had come up with a new law, and that is we check with the local chapter before we do something on their turf.

01:43:12.000 And if they're against it, then we can only go as citizens and not as Proud Boys.

01:43:16.000 So apparently the D.C. Proud Boys did not want this.

01:43:22.000 And that's the first thing that somebody like Enrique Terrio will start telling people when he gets out of jail next Friday and starts talking to the House Committee.

01:43:32.000 There was a request that they not do it.

01:43:35.000 I think, and there may have been one other reason, which I won't disclose now, but it's pretty good.

01:43:40.000 It's just not something I need to disclose now.

01:43:43.000 I think the best reason was not to get stabbed during the day.

01:43:47.000 And Chief, during the summer of 2020, which some people have forgotten about, became stabby during the day and at night.

01:43:57.000 Powboys don't generally carry weapons.

01:44:01.000 In fact, that's frowned on.

01:44:02.000 And they're defensive.

01:44:04.000 They will, however, fight back if they think that they or particularly Trump Normies are threatened, whether that be in D.C. or, you know, yeah, it just occurred to me, this might be evidence that I could give you.

01:44:16.000 We had Noble Beard on the show in December, and he had been stabbed, but he had the chest plates and the back plates, so he thought he was just being punched.

01:44:23.000 He didn't notice until much later that there was knife holes in his plates.

01:44:28.000 They were plastic.

01:44:30.000 But I have him on tape in December saying Proud Boys officially are not going to January 6th.

01:44:37.000 So that's a video record of it being a public thing.

01:44:42.000 The Proud Boys are not going to go.

01:44:43.000 The Washington Post at least covered it, and then they sort of changed it a little bit to make it seem even more like it was the Proud Boys' fault, frankly.

01:44:51.000 But, and, you know, Noble Beard, to his credit, has been very active.

01:44:58.000 I'm not sure where he's from, but every day on Telegram.

01:45:02.000 And I noticed this the other day.

01:45:05.000 I'd forgotten for a while that he was one of the stabbees. 1.00

01:45:08.000 And I woke up and I saw, I don't look at Telegram all the time, but I noticed that this is the day that I'll never forget.

01:45:14.000 And it's December 12th of last year, of 2021, recognizing that anniversary.

01:45:21.000 But yeah, they were trying not to get stabbed.

01:45:25.000 They were using the communications that they had to detect antifa and not to hide what they were doing.

01:45:32.000 And, you know, people don't wear stab-proof gears just before the revolution if they're going to go up and fight cops.

01:45:40.000 Most Capitol Hill cops don't have sabers and swords and knives.

01:45:45.000 Well, they also had a concert planned with Michael Graves at, I think, 3 o'clock or something.

01:45:51.000 That's right.

01:45:52.000 That's right.

01:45:52.000 And that's been entered.

01:45:55.000 And I think very well, a really good point that was brought up, particularly by the very fine attorneys representing Ethan Nordine.

01:46:07.000 It was part of the whole, you know, what they usually do.

01:46:10.000 It's just that they added an event.

01:46:12.000 Like, you march, okay?

01:46:14.000 You have a plan.

01:46:15.000 You march, you have a picture taken.

01:46:17.000 Maybe you take a nap.

01:46:19.000 Then maybe we'll have some beers.

01:46:20.000 Then we'll go to the concert.

01:46:22.000 You know, they had some things to do, which was going to make, and they did talk about being where Antifa might be that night.

01:46:29.000 That was the big event.

01:46:30.000 That's always the big event.

01:46:32.000 And it was business as usual, except for the color, the dress, and the stat-proof vest, which I'm trying to get the Justice Department to pay more attention to, but they just don't like hearing.

01:46:45.000 Yeah, okay, I'm the judge at this.

01:46:47.000 I'm very angry about the trespassing on the hill.

01:46:50.000 I hereby smash down my gavel, and I say a year probation for Joe Biggs, and time served.

01:46:56.000 Goodbye.

01:46:59.000 Yeah, I mean, and hopefully I can do that or better for Joe Biggs.

01:47:05.000 But right now, as of two weeks ago, because the obstruction, two things happened that were novel in this.

01:47:12.000 One was future dangerousness meant something like storming the Capitol or having an insurrection.

01:47:20.000 You don't usually keep guys.

01:47:22.000 You don't find a lot of people like Joe Biggs in jail on pretrial detention on these facts.

01:47:29.000 That was one novel thing.

01:47:30.000 But even more novel was the obstruction statute, which is based on obstructing Congress when it's acting like it's court or taking testimony or doing subpoenas.

01:47:43.000 It's an obstruction in the sense of you don't want to damage records.

01:47:46.000 You don't want to intimidate witnesses.

01:47:49.000 You don't want to kill witnesses.

01:47:51.000 But to use it for a ministerial kind of formal ceremonial thing like a certification, this is a new one.

01:47:59.000 It's novel.

01:48:00.000 And eventually it will probably go to the Supreme Court.

01:48:02.000 That's something we just lost on.

01:48:04.000 And it's changed the terrain of all this.

01:48:06.000 So people are getting ready to go to trial.

01:48:09.000 I'm in the process of trying to get Joe out of jail a second time.

01:48:14.000 We can appeal the detention.

01:48:18.000 We had another detention reaffirmation, if you will, about two weeks ago.

01:48:25.000 But the motion to dismiss that was filed against the, which was filed on obstruction, that failed.

01:48:34.000 And that unfortunately, under most circumstances, can't be appealed until the end of the hunt.

01:48:39.000 That means after trial or after the case is over.

01:48:42.000 And that may be inefficient, but the law and the federal courts have been that way for a long time.

01:48:48.000 Now, we talked about this earlier.

01:48:51.000 My problem with the obstruction is that Antifa has been doing it across the country, especially in the Pacific Northwest.

01:48:57.000 We even had the Capitol, I think it was in Madison, Wisconsin, where they stormed in and prevented everyone from doing their job.

01:49:03.000 And then Merrick Garland says, no, no, no, Antifa doesn't count because they do it at night when no one's there.

01:49:08.000 And you go, no, they often do it at night, but Antifa and the radical left also do it in the day.

01:49:15.000 So if this is going to be, obstruction is going to become interrupting the government in the day, then the prisons will be full of radical leftists.

01:49:24.000 I agree with that, except that the Capitol, this is a special place on a special day during the day where they're doing something that most people knew or could have known was the certification of the vote.

01:49:38.000 So it's like not the best bet and not the best, frankly, comparison.

01:49:44.000 I mean, believe me, when I hear people talking about all the noises that were made about Trump's win in November 2016, people forget about that.

01:49:55.000 They said that was like an invalid election.

01:49:59.000 People made noises about it for four years.

01:50:03.000 Same with respect to Antifa.

01:50:04.000 I get calls all the time.

01:50:05.000 Well, what about Antifa?

01:50:07.000 It's a little different.

01:50:09.000 Antifa does usually do things at night.

01:50:11.000 They're, I think, better organized.

01:50:13.000 They've been around longer.

01:50:14.000 They've been around for about 50 years.

01:50:16.000 They're very serious.

01:50:17.000 They're not playful.

01:50:18.000 They're not like, they weren't started by a comedian named Gas McGuinness.

01:50:24.000 But one of the interesting things about this is while that makes everyone Quite angry.

01:50:30.000 That's not before the courts.

01:50:32.000 What's before the courts?

01:50:33.000 And, you know, I can't be a cheerleader here.

01:50:36.000 I have to be a lawyer.

01:50:37.000 And if I look at this, you know, in an even-handed way, that's in front of me.

01:50:44.000 And the judges are right to make comparisons between.

01:50:47.000 I mean, some of the judges, to their credit, have actually, whether it's before them or not, have raised this saying, what about Antifa?

01:50:55.000 Well, the answer, which came down with the denial of my motion to reopen detention hearings and the denial of the motion to dismiss, the answer was, well, it was a little different.

01:51:11.000 And the judges have a point on that.

01:51:14.000 Antifa is interesting to me because a lot of people on the right say Antifa were there that day.

01:51:20.000 This was an Antifa operation or this was an FBI operation.

01:51:24.000 There were a lot of Antifa people there that day.

01:51:27.000 Yeah, John Sullivan, he was just subpoenaed.

01:51:30.000 But they didn't have to do anything.

01:51:33.000 I mean, this happened anyway.

01:51:35.000 For whatever reason, it happened.

01:51:36.000 And I call it the madness of crowds or herd mentality plus.

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 But I'm sorry.

01:51:45.000 I got confused there.

01:51:46.000 What exactly did the judge say to the Antifa argument?

01:51:52.000 I'm not thinking of my judge, but there were a couple of judges who on their own suispancy talked about Antifa.

01:51:59.000 Yep, I got that.

01:52:00.000 And they said early on, and I think I remember the name of the judge, but I want to get it wrong.

01:52:09.000 He was making a decision one way or the other and just raised on his own, I mean, why isn't the Justice Department coming after Antifa for doing this and that on the West Coast?

01:52:17.000 That's one thing that happened.

01:52:19.000 And what was the response he got?

01:52:20.000 Right.

01:52:21.000 What was the response?

01:52:23.000 Pardon?

01:52:23.000 What was the response to that?

01:52:26.000 Well, he just raised it.

01:52:28.000 I mean, he didn't like, he just sort of raised it on his own.

01:52:31.000 And there was not, like, the defendant didn't raise it.

01:52:35.000 The judge did.

01:52:36.000 And the judge did in an opinion.

01:52:38.000 And he also did, excuse me, want to make sure I got the right.

01:52:40.000 It was during an oral argument, saying, you know, what's all that about?

01:52:45.000 But people in court, and I'm not talking about the proceeding that I'm in, started raising the same argument.

01:52:51.000 And a couple of judges did respond to it and say, you know, it's different.

01:52:58.000 What happened, you know, a post office is not the United States Capitol, different time of day, different thing going on.

01:53:05.000 And primarily what bothers the judges about whether they're Trump appointees, I think, Trump appointees or Obama appointees or Clinton appointees, is that there was something that happened that interfered with the peaceful transfer of power.

01:53:21.000 And we're very proud that we do that in the United States a certain way.

01:53:25.000 So they all seem to be united on that, if that helps answer your question.

01:53:30.000 Yes, it does.

01:53:32.000 We're out of time.

01:53:33.000 I could talk to you for hours.

01:53:34.000 I'd love you to come to New York and we'll have a long sit-down because I think this is a three-hour discussion.

01:53:39.000 But just to wrap it up, how can we donate?

01:53:42.000 Is there any way to get money to any of the I appreciate your asking this?

01:53:47.000 One of the problems has been that there hasn't been, and even people on the left agree with me on this, there should be access to funds or access to courts, money for people like the Proud Boys, and I don't mean Joe Biggs and Henry Terrier.

01:54:04.000 They're not bad at raising money.

01:54:05.000 One of the problems has been, though, that people who want to write $5,000 checks rather than $50 checks or $5 checks don't want to use credit card transactions, don't want to use these fundraisers.

01:54:19.000 Some of the fundraisers are more legitimate than others.

01:54:22.000 So we're trying to come up with now some kind of device whereby people could give anonymously, safely, and get these people the help they need.

01:54:33.000 And they do need it.

01:54:34.000 And I think that's fair.

01:54:36.000 This is not about making lawyers rich.

01:54:38.000 This is just about making the playing field even and to be announced.

01:54:45.000 To be announced.

01:54:46.000 And working on that as we speak.

01:54:49.000 In fact, I'm going to talk to you about that at some point because we need to get the word out once that vehicle is in place.

01:54:56.000 But that's not what I do.

01:54:57.000 I'm not smart about those things.

01:54:59.000 Other people are working on it and working on it fast because this is coming up and there is a crisis of resources here to a certain extent.

01:55:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I want to just go from David and Goliath to Goliath versus Goliath.

01:55:13.000 I don't think that's too much to ask.

01:55:15.000 And the only way to do that is to amass all of the supporters.

01:55:19.000 And then at least it's thousands of patriots versus thousands of bureaucrats as opposed to thousands of bureaucrats versus you.

01:55:28.000 I agree.

01:55:29.000 And if half the people in this country, and I think this is true, have ideas or feelings about the way the country is going or has been going for the last 20 years that are very similar to the Proud Boys culturally, and I think they do, there's a lot of support,

01:55:47.000 but it's been difficult to bring that out without losing it or without having USAI Today shut it down.

01:55:54.000 I think that's terribly unfair.

01:55:56.000 And I even know people who work for some of our most liberal newspapers who think that funds should be available to people no matter who they are.

01:56:05.000 The Justice Department are bringing really good lawyers to these cases.

01:56:08.000 That's fun in a way to some people.

01:56:11.000 They are attracted by, you know, that's great.

01:56:14.000 I want to be against good lawyers, but you need hunting dogs for this, and they like money.

01:56:19.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 Well, Prowboys is a, all the cases with them in the past have been bereft of justice.

01:56:25.000 We've got Max and John serving four years for a 17-second fight with Antifa.

01:56:30.000 Their appeal was all liberals.

01:56:32.000 It was three black women and an Asian guy who walked off mid-appeal. 1.00

01:56:36.000 I mean, we're getting closer and closer to Venezuela, and it's feeling less American every day.

01:56:46.000 I'm here as a lawyer for a couple of guys you know, but we should talk about the next time when I get to meet you in person.

01:56:53.000 Great meeting you, by the way.

01:56:54.000 Okay.

01:56:55.000 Great meeting you.

01:56:55.000 And just before we go, can you just say in a liver puddling accent that my problem wasn't with Yoko.

01:57:02.000 My problems was with John bringing her around.

01:57:06.000 No, I'm going to leave that up to you.

01:57:07.000 You're good at that.

01:57:08.000 Okay, Dan, thanks for coming on the show.

01:57:10.000 Thank you, sir.

01:57:11.000 Cheers.

01:57:12.000 Take care.

01:57:19.000 You know what we should do?

01:57:21.000 We're talking about Michael Graves doing a concert.

01:57:23.000 Let's get Graves on the line and ask him.

01:57:27.000 Because that's more evidence that this was not planned.

01:57:30.000 If they had a concert set up, they're going to go back to a party.

01:57:34.000 Because I remember hearing something like, we can't have our guns in D.C. So let's make sure the after party is somewhere where we can have our guns.

01:57:41.000 Let's be in Virginia.

01:57:52.000 Mr. Graves, are you there, sir?

01:57:54.000 Yes, sir.

01:57:54.000 Here I am.

01:57:56.000 Just short and sweet, we're running low on time, but I was just talking to Dan Hall, Joe Biggs' lawyer, and the challenge with this whole case is to prove that they weren't conspiring to do this, and it was spontaneous.

01:58:10.000 And then I just said to him, wait a minute, they had planned to go see Michael Graves do a show in Virginia at like 3 p.m.

01:58:17.000 Is that true?

01:58:19.000 Yeah, on January 5th, I hooked up with Rufio.

01:58:23.000 Biggs was on a plane coming in.

01:58:26.000 Everybody was getting their stuff together to move into an Airbnb.

01:58:30.000 We were thinking about doing the whole concert thing on the night of the 5th, and it got messed up.

01:58:36.000 We figured it got messed up because we didn't know where anybody was.

01:58:41.000 Enrique had been arrested.

01:58:43.000 So we said, let's do it for January 6th.

01:58:47.000 This way, after everybody does what they were going to do in the morning, I had some stuff to do.

01:58:53.000 We were going to hook back up in the afternoon and just hang out and party to the night.

01:58:58.000 And I was going to play a concert for everybody, specifically to keep everybody, you know, I wanted to keep everybody off the streets and out of trouble.

01:59:09.000 And we thought that that was a good idea.

01:59:11.000 That was the plan.

01:59:12.000 That was the plan, was to go back to the Airbnb.

01:59:16.000 And I was going to play, and everybody was going to hang out.

01:59:19.000 And were particular times discussed?

01:59:26.000 I don't remember talking about particular times.

01:59:32.000 The fifth, it was going to be like 7, 8 o'clock, but then it just didn't work out.

01:59:39.000 Am I crazy or do I remember a flyer or some kind of thing that said like, Michael Graves, rocking out, blah, blah, blah.

01:59:47.000 Well, I was, I played over on, it was Latinos for Trump stage on the morning of the 6th.

01:59:58.000 So again, we really didn't, we were all going to rendezvous back at the Airbnb after, you know, after the whole march, after the president was done speaking.

02:00:10.000 Everybody was going to march to the Capitol, and then we were going to rendezvous back.

02:00:14.000 But things were so, got so out of control so quick that that didn't happen.

02:00:22.000 Rufio didn't, I couldn't even get in touch with Rufio because he didn't have his phone.

02:00:27.000 Amazing.

02:00:27.000 Have you been subpoenaed?

02:00:28.000 That's how coordinated we were, Gavin.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:31.000 Have you been subpoenaed or hassled by the FBI?

02:00:35.000 No, nobody's asked me anything.

02:00:38.000 I gave an affidavit to Rufio's lawyers, and again, I spoke to Biggs' lawyer about my involvement.

02:00:47.000 But no, nobody's spoken to me.

02:00:49.000 All right.

02:00:50.000 Well, fantastic, because I think you're a human piece of evidence.

02:00:53.000 Thanks for coming on the show, man.

02:00:55.000 Thanks, Gavin.

02:00:56.000 Cheers.

02:01:01.000 And James O'Keefe is in the studio.

02:01:03.000 Welcome, James.

02:01:04.000 Hello, Gavin.

02:01:05.000 Good to have you here.

02:01:06.000 Now, we're just talking about the cost of all this litigation.

02:01:10.000 We've got like 700 people who basically need half a million each.

02:01:15.000 So we've got $300 million needed to defend Gen 6.

02:01:21.000 I mean, I'm speaking on the very outside of the maximum.

02:01:24.000 That's a dollar per American.

02:01:26.000 And I don't think your average Joe realizes how expensive litigation is.

02:01:30.000 Like, it must eat up a massive part of your budget.

02:01:32.000 Yeah, I mean, we've spent maybe even $2 million to get to jury verdict.

02:01:37.000 So I would say half a million is a low ball estimate if you want to actually fight an appeal.

02:01:42.000 I mean, yeah, we have about a third of our budget on litigation.

02:01:45.000 We haven't lost.

02:01:47.000 But what's ironic to me about the whole incident is that they are trying to say you're not allowed to crowdsource fund on GoFundMe and these other pages.

02:01:55.000 But the Constitution guarantees a right to a public defender, self-defense, you know, defense in court.

02:02:01.000 So people do underestimate how expensive this stuff is and litigation, and you can win, but millions of dollars.

02:02:10.000 Yeah, and when you're up against the state, they have unlimited funds.

02:02:14.000 There should be a thing where if you beat the state, they then have to pay your legal bills.

02:02:19.000 That's not the way it is in the United States.

02:02:21.000 That's the way it is in other countries.

02:02:22.000 In one case that we were, civil case, I was involved in North Carolina.

02:02:27.000 It went to a jury verdict, and the plaintiff was suing me for defamation because I quoted someone.

02:02:33.000 That's typically what they do.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, that's very tascination.

02:02:36.000 You might ask, well, how the hell did that get past summary judgment?

02:02:38.000 Why did that even go to a trial? 0.96

02:02:40.000 And at jury verdict, right before the jury came out of the box to issue the judgment, the federal judge gaveled the case and said, this is completely ridiculous.

02:02:49.000 He said, if someone sued Mike Wallace, now deceased from 60 Minutes, for the same things they're suing O'Keefe for, everyone in the courtroom would laugh.

02:02:59.000 But because it's James O'Keefe, it somehow got this far.

02:03:02.000 But I had to litigate for two, three years.

02:03:04.000 I had to go through depositions.

02:03:06.000 I had to do all this stuff just to get to that point in the trial.

02:03:10.000 And then it was dismissed at the last minute.

02:03:12.000 And the people who sued me didn't have to pay my bills.

02:03:17.000 They did have to pay some administrative fees, like tens of thousands of dollars, which is something.

02:03:22.000 So we made them pay.

02:03:24.000 And that deterred other people from suing me in the future.

02:03:28.000 And that must have cost a fortune.

02:03:30.000 Yeah, probably around $2 million.

02:03:33.000 And I could have settled the case for $50,000, $100,000, most likely.

02:03:37.000 But on principle, I wanted to make sure that I was doing the right thing.

02:03:42.000 That's the only way this can end, is people going to trial and fighting to the end.

02:03:47.000 Because all of these settlements and all of these plea deals, they end up furthering this law affair where people are punishing others with no intention of going to court.

02:03:57.000 That's right.

02:03:58.000 He'll just empty his bank account by waging war.

02:04:01.000 And you saw that with the Nick Sandman, the kid with the Native American guy. 0.99

02:04:07.000 He settled with the Washington Post.

02:04:09.000 Now, he sued the Post for defamation, and he actually had a great case, but he settled out of court, not for $250 million, as was reported.

02:04:17.000 That's what he sued for.

02:04:18.000 He probably settled for a relatively insignificant.

02:04:20.000 He probably got $100,000.

02:04:22.000 Something like that.

02:04:23.000 And because he probably wasn't a fighter as much as Rittenhouse was.

02:04:28.000 So when Rittenhouse sues for defamation, I hope he doesn't settle out of court.

02:04:32.000 I hope he deposes NBC News in the Washington West because it's the depositions where you get to see discovery, you depose them on videotape.

02:04:40.000 That's when you can really expose them.

02:04:42.000 Yeah.

02:04:42.000 Well, that's what I was trying to do with the SPLC, and the judge is just sitting, it's just sitting on the judge's lap.

02:04:48.000 But when these people settle, it encourages others to do the same kind of harassment.

02:04:54.000 And it becomes this endless nightmare.

02:04:57.000 And the problem then, you go, okay, the Sandman probably didn't have enough money to pursue it, right?

02:05:04.000 Okay, then we crowdfund.

02:05:06.000 But when the left can crowdfund for Antifa or anything and raise millions, we are not allowed to.

02:05:14.000 We're constantly kicked.

02:05:15.000 I think Give, Send, Go is the only place left.

02:05:17.000 Give, send, go is what I'd recommend.

02:05:19.000 Our whistleblowers have raised half a million dollars each or thereabouts, which is pretty damn good.

02:05:26.000 So I would recommend that.

02:05:28.000 Yes, litigation is very expensive, and there are very few people.

02:05:31.000 I'm one of the only chairmen of any media company you will have ever met who has never really settled a lawsuit.

02:05:37.000 And it's cost me unbelievable amounts of money, but you're right, Gavin.

02:05:41.000 If you litigate it all the way to a jury verdict and then are willing to appeal it and you're in the right, you'll probably win.

02:05:46.000 Most people think the American justice system is totally corrupt, but I don't actually believe that.

02:05:52.000 I think it's actually the one branch of government which is less corrupt than any other.

02:05:56.000 The federal judge in New York that ruled for a special master over the FBI, which is a very rare thing to be granted, that was an Obama-appointed federal judge.

02:06:05.000 Oh, really?

02:06:06.000 Yes, in New York, a federal southern district of New York.

02:06:09.000 And you're talking about the guy who said, give James O'Keefe his stuff back.

02:06:13.000 This was a federal judge who ordered the FBI to stop rummaging through my phone and ordered what's called a special master, which is effectively a babysitter over the FBI, so that those prosecutors no longer have that possession.

02:06:26.000 I've got to litigate this in motions.

02:06:27.000 I haven't been charged with anything.

02:06:29.000 But what I'm trying to say to you is you have to be willing to fight them in court all the way to the end, which is very important in this day and age.

02:06:38.000 Amazing.

02:06:38.000 Thanks for coming on the show, James.

02:06:40.000 Thank you.

02:06:41.000 Stay off social media tomorrow.

02:06:44.000 If it happens to be.

02:06:46.000 And that's our show.

02:06:46.000 No calls.

02:06:48.000 Sorry.

02:06:49.000 Maybe we'll do calls.

02:06:51.000 Actually, tomorrow we're taking off, and there's going to be two chicks in here. 1.00

02:06:55.000 It's going to be called Girl Talk.

02:06:57.000 Brand new show.

02:06:58.000 Two very sexy women are going to be taking over the show. 1.00

02:07:01.000 And I assume we're trying to do the barstool sports thing where we have chicks. 1.00

02:07:06.000 So they'll be talking about boys and hair and fashion and showing montages.

02:07:11.000 I might come by and just talk about midgets. 1.00

02:07:15.000 And if you could fuck one. 1.00

02:07:18.000 I might help them with the tech, show them the couple buttons to use or whatever. 1.00

02:07:21.000 Oh, women are too stupid to handle tech? 1.00

02:07:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:24.000 My experience has been you and Joe Tonelli, it's been all males handling the controls, and I've seen nothing but errors from both men. 0.91

02:07:32.000 So why don't we let women with a daughter? 1.00

02:07:36.000 I do believe that women are des future. 1.00

02:07:38.000 So maybe you're right.

02:07:40.000 Yeah.

02:07:40.000 Like Paul Fig, the guy who did Ghostbusters, says, women are actually funnier than men.

02:07:46.000 I believe women are stronger than men.

02:07:49.000 Look at all these athletes we see winning top female bodybuilders, swimmers. 0.98

02:07:54.000 Women are breaking records. 1.00

02:07:56.000 They're better than men in every way.

02:07:59.000 Ready for this one? 1.00

02:08:00.000 I think women have nicer penises than men. 1.00

02:08:03.000 That's true. 1.00

02:08:04.000 I had a conversation with Crip Daddy about that earlier today.

02:08:07.000 You know what I do on Father's Day?

02:08:10.000 I give a woman a rose because they're better fathers than men are. 0.83

02:08:14.000 It should be Mother's Day and Father's Day, but...

02:08:16.000 But this is going to sound blasphemous.

02:08:18.000 I think women are better than Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:08:21.000 That is blasphemous. 0.96

02:08:23.000 Sorry.

02:08:23.000 I know that it stings my Catholic beliefs, but I honestly believe the worst woman in the world is better than people.

02:08:33.000 Even that G's Louise woman, she's better than Jesus. 1.00

02:08:36.000 Better than God. 0.96

02:08:37.000 Women are better than God. 1.00

02:08:38.000 Women are God. 0.99

02:08:40.000 Woman is God. 0.94

02:08:42.000 I don't know.

02:08:42.000 I like to quote Norm McDonald when it comes to women.

02:08:45.000 What's that?

02:08:46.000 Man, who's funnier than Sarah Silverman?

02:08:50.000 Besides any other dude.

02:08:56.000 Anyway, folks, that's our January 6th special.

02:08:58.000 I hope you enjoyed it.

02:08:59.000 We worked very hard to bring it to you.

02:09:02.000 You only get one January 6th a year.

02:09:04.000 That chick Molly, I was trying to get her on. 1.00

02:09:06.000 She goes, can we just do tomorrow?

02:09:07.000 I go, look at your calendar.

02:09:09.000 It's January 6th.

02:09:11.000 Kind of a big day.

02:09:12.000 You don't want to talk about it on January 7th.

02:09:15.000 We'll talk about it next year on next January 6th.

02:09:17.000 I wonder how the world will have changed then.

02:09:19.000 Biden will still be president. 1.00

02:09:21.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:09:22.000 It feels like he's been president for three terms. 1.00

02:09:25.000 And it's been, what, a year?

02:09:28.000 But yeah, we're all on the same page on this.

02:09:31.000 And the reason it's important, even to people outside of America that are watching this episode, is this is what happens to the justice system.

02:09:38.000 This is what happens in our clown world when optics dominate truth. 0.98

02:09:43.000 And media, fake news, bullshit leaves men in prison. 0.99

02:09:49.000 We know what January 6th was. 0.99

02:09:51.000 Every sane American knows that it was an unfortunate piece of vandalism and trespassing. 1.00

02:09:57.000 Obstruction and all that shit is garbage. 1.00

02:10:00.000 It's horseshit. 1.00

02:10:01.000 It's a lie. 1.00

02:10:02.000 This was the meandering.

02:10:03.000 It was a guy on his phone.

02:10:05.000 Yes, people were killed.

02:10:07.000 Patriots were murdered by police.

02:10:11.000 And right now, their rights are being murdered by this cabal of media, a corrupt justice system, corrupt prosecutors.

02:10:24.000 I mean, the media and the justice system have colluded to destroy these people's lives in the name of hurting Trump. 0.89

02:10:33.000 The modern left is a crazy ex-girlfriend, and she's outside your house right now with a brick in her hand, and her hair's all like messy and kind of dreaded, and she's twitching one eye, and there's makeup running down her face. 1.00

02:10:45.000 That's what we're up against, folks. 0.92

02:10:47.000 But we'll win because boys are stronger than girls.

02:10:51.000 Get fired, get in trouble, be brave, and never stop fighting.

02:10:58.000 The only way we're going to truly achieve things is when that demands face with each other.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - January 07, 2022

GOML LIVE #130 - THE MEANDERING

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