Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - October 22, 2019


S02E76 - PROUD BOYS IN PRISON


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1 hour and 5 minutes

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170.21309

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11,183

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1,073

Harmful content

Misogyny

32

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Toxicity

294

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Hate speech

42

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Max and John are sentenced to 4 years in prison for their part in the Antifa protest that turned into a riot in the streets of New York City. They are the Proud Boys, a group of four men who were arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit hate crimes and rioting against Antifa protesters.

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00:00:34.000 When I was just a baby, my mama told me so.
00:00:40.000 Always be a good boy, don't ever bully.
00:00:46.000 I like doing those intros where we go close to the camera because I'm always amazed by the technology.
00:00:51.000 It's better than my eyes.
00:00:54.000 Better than the human eye.
00:00:56.000 Very crisp, yeah.
00:01:00.000 I seem a little chirpy for someone whose friends went to prison, but I've been drinking.
00:01:04.000 And I don't know if it does any good to seem sad on the show.
00:01:09.000 I also don't want to give the left a victory by crying.
00:01:13.000 But Max and John are sentenced to prison for four years.
00:01:17.000 Now, in New York State, one often serves five-sixths of the time, so four years would...
00:01:30.000 Oh, really?
00:01:34.000 So five-sixths of four is 3.3.
00:01:36.000 3.3 years.
00:01:41.000 That's assuming that they don't get marked as Nazis and beaten up and get in fights and get their time extended.
00:01:47.000 But it's also assuming that our appeals don't go through.
00:01:49.000 I know that Max, Max has some judge, some ex-judge who was following the whole case and was constantly sending letters to the judge, Judge Mark Dwyer, saying, this is a travesty.
00:02:05.000 What the hell are you doing?
00:02:07.000 And I think this ex-judge and this lawyer are going to appeal the case on Max's behalf pro bono.
00:02:11.000 I'm not sure what's happening with John.
00:02:13.000 I assume the cases are inexorably linked.
00:02:17.000 Like, how do you, they were both in court together, charged together.
00:02:21.000 If you get a pardon for one, shouldn't that mean a pardon for two?
00:02:24.000 And they got the exact same sentence, too, which is very strange, I think.
00:02:24.000 Yeah.
00:02:28.000 So I think they're bound.
00:02:30.000 Anyway, I'll obviously be finding this out.
00:02:32.000 I'm not backing down for a second.
00:02:35.000 I was talking to John's wife today.
00:02:37.000 Jesus, that's not an easy call.
00:02:39.000 She sounds just...
00:02:50.000 Like the responses were slow on the phone.
00:02:53.000 She was in shock.
00:02:54.000 She was in shock.
00:02:55.000 You know, you see someone walking from a car accident going, hi, where are you?
00:02:59.000 It was that kind of a voice.
00:03:01.000 She told John to join the Proud Boys.
00:03:03.000 She said, these guys seem traditional and we're a family and you're a Christian and seems cool.
00:03:08.000 And he joined and he was going, this is fun.
00:03:10.000 Everything was fine.
00:03:12.000 Then he beat up Antifa for threatening them.
00:03:15.000 And now his newborn won't recognize him when he gets out or won't see him as a father.
00:03:23.000 I assume she's going to visit a lot, but she's in Chicago.
00:03:26.000 They'll be upstate and they're broke.
00:03:27.000 They spent all their money on this trial.
00:03:30.000 So he's not going to get that many visits from those kids.
00:03:34.000 I mean, I'll pay for them, but.
00:03:38.000 Just to give you some perspective.
00:03:40.000 Princess Charlotte.
00:03:42.000 Did I put that in the notes?
00:03:43.000 Maybe I don't.
00:03:44.000 Yeah, I did.
00:03:45.000 Princess Charlotte was born four years ago.
00:03:47.000 Obviously, she's four now.
00:03:49.000 And that was big news, right?
00:03:50.000 It was all over.
00:03:51.000 Women love that kind of stuff when princesses are born. 1.00
00:03:54.000 And this is her now.
00:03:57.000 So she's a kid now.
00:03:59.000 She talks.
00:04:00.000 Four is a big kid.
00:04:02.000 Four, they have thoughts, they have interests, they have things they don't like, things they do like, you know.
00:04:10.000 So that's how old his kid will be when he gets out.
00:04:12.000 It'll be a little person. 0.98
00:04:15.000 Unfucking believable. 0.98
00:04:17.000 I have a Proud Boy shirt hanging behind me. 0.99
00:04:21.000 in mourning.
00:04:22.000 So we'll talk to, Why?
00:04:39.000 Because I'm Hitler.
00:04:41.000 Yes, I'm not exaggerating.
00:04:43.000 Mark Dwyer called me Hitler.
00:04:48.000 First of all, that's the guy.
00:04:50.000 Actually, there's two Judge Mark Dwyers.
00:04:52.000 One's black, one's white.
00:04:53.000 I'm pretty sure this is our guy.
00:04:56.000 Justice Task Force.
00:04:57.000 But show the tweet where he...
00:05:03.000 He said, the reason I threw the book at them is because this is political violence.
00:05:09.000 And judging from the political violence we saw in Europe in the 30s, this has to be nipped in the bud. 0.99
00:05:16.000 I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he fucking said. 0.99
00:05:19.000 In other words, I am Hitler, and these guys are Nazis. 1.00
00:05:23.000 They're brown shirts.
00:05:24.000 And if they're not nipped in the bud, the Nazis will grow and we'll have World War III. 0.91
00:05:29.000 How is that for an attack on free speech? 1.00
00:05:32.000 He also implied that I had this incendiary violent speech and talked about, get out there and kill those gays and kill those Jews and kill those blacks. 1.00
00:05:45.000 Kill them all, boys. 1.00
00:05:49.000 With Sulconus four years in prison, Judge Mark Dwyer made pointed remarks directed at Gavin McKinnon about leaders whipping up their soldiers, whipping their soldiers up with rhetoric and disappearing when conflict breaks out. 0.99
00:06:02.000 He is talking about a speech he did not hear. 0.98
00:06:08.000 How the fuck is that justice? 0.98
00:06:10.000 He's heard rumors that the speech was violent, rumors that are started by far left operatives, the alt-left and Tifa, radicals. 0.98
00:06:20.000 He hears rumors from radicals and goes, all right, so it was endorsing violence, was it?
00:06:26.000 Okay.
00:06:27.000 I don't like when people endorse violence and then have their Soldiers do their dirty work. 1.00
00:06:32.000 You're the fucking judge, Mark. 1.00
00:06:35.000 Look it up. 1.00
00:06:37.000 It's on my website.
00:06:38.000 It's easy to find.
00:06:42.000 And then what does it say here?
00:06:44.000 Yeah, this is the other doozy.
00:06:46.000 Mark Dwyer cited precedent of political brawls in 1930s Europe as a cause.
00:06:51.000 Clearly, he's not talking about Portugal.
00:06:53.000 He's talking about Germany.
00:06:55.000 The Hitler defense. 0.84
00:06:57.000 These guys are going to jail for four years.
00:06:58.000 So let me just explain this clear. 1.00
00:07:01.000 Three black children are having their father taken away because of this bullshit hate narrative. 0.99
00:07:08.000 Who's suffering? 1.00
00:07:09.000 Well, John is suffering.
00:07:10.000 That's without the newborn. 0.98
00:07:12.000 But those three black people are suffering.
00:07:15.000 Four now. 0.54
00:07:18.000 How can this be topped?
00:07:22.000 We have reached peak clown world.
00:07:24.000 Four years in a cage, 3.3 years in a cage.
00:07:28.000 Now, I'm optimistic about an appeal, getting them out, getting them pardoned, but I was optimistic about this trial too.
00:07:37.000 And look what happened.
00:07:38.000 Yeah.
00:07:39.000 I didn't say anything yesterday, respond to it at all, because I was super positive about it.
00:07:43.000 I think I was like, you know, this is all going to work out.
00:07:45.000 Well, I knew from talking to their lawyers that they were looking at 3.5 years minimum.
00:07:51.000 And here's another thing with Mark Dwyer.
00:07:54.000 This actually was kind of cushy, believe it or not.
00:07:58.000 Steinglass, the prosecutor, who's a, I'm not going to say anything.
00:08:04.000 Steinglass, by the way, remember that Asian guy in the Range Rover who got beat up by bikers?
00:08:11.000 I think he ran over someone's motorcycle.
00:08:13.000 So the bikers chased him on the West Side Highway and he got knocked out, this guy.
00:08:18.000 One of the guys in the crew was a cop and Steinglass had him arrested and thrown in jail and is, I believe, thrown in jail and lost his pension, everything for being part of it.
00:08:29.000 That was another melee that I'm not sure, just because you were in the group, I'm not sure you should be stripped of your badge forever.
00:08:40.000 Yeah, there's the guy.
00:08:42.000 Anyway, that's Steinglass.
00:08:44.000 So Steinglass was pushing for five.
00:08:46.000 The minimum was 3.5.
00:08:49.000 Mark Dwyer pushed it to 4.
00:08:51.000 So if he was really convinced that I'm Hitler and we had to stop these Nazis, wouldn't he go for the 15 max? 0.82
00:08:59.000 Why six months more than the minimum?
00:09:01.000 I'll tell you why. 1.00
00:09:02.000 Because he's kissing Cuomo's ass. 1.00
00:09:05.000 This is how it works with judges. 1.00
00:09:08.000 The way you get up the ladder, I got to be careful not to make a Zeek Heil that's Momo screen grab. 1.00
00:09:12.000 The way you go up the ladder is you kiss politicians' asses. 1.00
00:09:17.000 And de Blasio was another guy. 1.00
00:09:19.000 This is today's paper.
00:09:20.000 De Blasio walking by kids who want better education.
00:09:24.000 But the problem with these kids is they want the free market to handle education vis-a-vis charter schools.
00:09:30.000 And that's less money, less taxes for de Blasio. 1.00
00:09:33.000 So he tells these kids to fuck off. 1.00
00:09:35.000 They're useless. 1.00
00:09:36.000 They're cannon fodder. 1.00
00:09:38.000 Garbage. 1.00
00:09:40.000 If they can't use black kids for political gains, de Blasio is not interested. 1.00
00:09:46.000 And that's where we are as a nation, where human beings are just pawns that are used to further various political causes.
00:09:54.000 Max and John are going to prison based on a myth.
00:09:59.000 Not because they're Nazis, but because someone else said they were Nazis.
00:10:02.000 And that's enough.
00:10:03.000 They said they wanted me.
00:10:05.000 Roger Stone introduced me to a cop whose job was to find a way to throw me in jail for 15 years.
00:10:12.000 To throw me in prison for 15 years for this.
00:10:17.000 For proud boys.
00:10:19.000 And I was just talking to another guy who was like a military dude who was saying, yeah, but it all started as a drinking club.
00:10:27.000 It started as a joke.
00:10:28.000 I'm like, it ended as a joke.
00:10:30.000 It's not, it didn't change.
00:10:32.000 I hate this notion, and Kumiya says it all the time, that it started out as a fun thing, and then it became sinister.
00:10:38.000 Then the violence seeped in, and the racism, and the bigotry, and the homophobia, and the anti-Semitism.
00:10:44.000 Then that festered.
00:10:45.000 That happened to the English Defense League, but it didn't happen to Proud Boys.
00:10:50.000 Yes, there was violence when they were defending themselves.
00:10:54.000 Well, Max and John said they were defending themselves, but they ran at them.
00:10:58.000 Not really.
00:11:00.000 Here's the deal.
00:11:02.000 Say six people are standing in front of you on the street and you run at them.
00:11:06.000 Well, it's hard to argue self-defense with that, right?
00:11:08.000 What if those six people had been threatening you again and again and again, had vandalized the venue, were screaming at you outside, had clearly circled the block to circumvent you.
00:11:20.000 And they said, let's do this.
00:11:22.000 And for the umpteenth time.
00:11:26.000 And then they threw a bottle of piss at you.
00:11:29.000 And you ran up to one of them and ripped his mask off.
00:11:32.000 Then they started fighting you and they were winning.
00:11:36.000 They had three of you down.
00:11:37.000 They're kicking you when you're down.
00:11:39.000 Then Big John shows up, bowls them over like a bowling ball, and then the rest of them show up and they win.
00:11:49.000 That sounds like a good case for self-defense to me.
00:11:53.000 Here's something the left, if you're trying to explain this to a liberal. 0.95
00:11:56.000 Pretend the Prowboys are gay, and these gays were being antagonized for weeks. 1.00
00:12:01.000 No fags in our town. 1.00
00:12:03.000 No homo. 1.00
00:12:04.000 Homos go homo. 1.00
00:12:05.000 That would be a good sign if you hated gays. 1.00
00:12:07.000 Yeah, it's pretty clever. 1.00
00:12:09.000 Homos go home, O. But then you have to explain why you put an O at the end of the home. 1.00
00:12:15.000 I don't think anybody would question you on your side.
00:12:17.000 Anybody logical? 0.99
00:12:18.000 Yeah, they're not like that, the Westboro church with their God hates fags. 0.99
00:12:22.000 They're not really. 0.98
00:12:22.000 That doesn't make sense. 0.98
00:12:25.000 There's a typo. 0.89
00:12:28.000 But they were gay, and it was like I was the homosexual, and this guy's pushing his gay agenda on everyone. 0.99
00:12:34.000 And after vandalizing the venue with pink paint and no faggots, and then these gays were walking home, escorted by police, because they were worried about violence against gays. 1.00
00:12:45.000 And then the fag bashers showed up and threw a bottle of cum at the homos and said, come on, fags. 1.00
00:12:52.000 And two of the fags ran at them, wrestled them, pulled off their mask, and then the rest of the homosexuals fought. 1.00
00:12:59.000 And then the fag bashers Told the police to fuck off and everyone went home. 1.00
00:13:04.000 Non-issue, right? 1.00
00:13:05.000 I'll tell you what, if that was the case, there'd be t-shirts of every single one of those guys.
00:13:10.000 But because the narrative is we hate Trump, Trump's a Nazi, anyone who supports him is Hitler, then we just paint a totally different picture.
00:13:20.000 And you know what?
00:13:21.000 I'm for free speech. 1.00
00:13:22.000 It annoys me that you're making up a stupid story, but fine. 1.00
00:13:25.000 Paint a stupid picture. 1.00
00:13:27.000 But it's not a game anymore. 1.00
00:13:28.000 This painting is putting men in prison, not jail, prison.
00:13:33.000 Remember, Jeff, the second guy who showed up to the fight, is doing weekends at Rikers.
00:13:38.000 He took a plea deal.
00:13:40.000 And he'll probably be done, I think, I think by next summer.
00:13:46.000 I'm not sure.
00:13:47.000 So he just works Monday to Friday.
00:13:49.000 Then at Friday, he goes to Rikers.
00:13:50.000 So it's either working or in prison. 0.99
00:13:53.000 So his TGIF is Sunday night when he's on his way back home after being in a stinking, shitty, genpop bunk bed hell. 0.99
00:14:05.000 But yeah, what's going to happen to these guys? 0.84
00:14:09.000 What if Proud Boys actually become a gang now?
00:14:13.000 You're laying the blueprints for it.
00:14:16.000 By the way, this shirt is Eastern State Penitentiary, where it was the most just prison.
00:14:23.000 Philadelphia was out of control back when they built it in the 1800s.
00:14:27.000 Drunks everywhere, violence, but they built an ethical prison where the max sentence was maybe five years, and it worked. 1.00
00:14:35.000 Now they just throw these numbers out four years.
00:14:38.000 Four years for fighting back too much.
00:14:42.000 That was the case of the prosecution.
00:14:45.000 They didn't make any points about it.
00:14:46.000 They said, yes, this was a fight, but John went too far, kicked him too many times. 1.00
00:14:53.000 Any other circumstances, this just would have been a stupid brawl. 0.99
00:14:56.000 So, of course, the media is out, happy to gloat about these guys, John's children becoming fatherless. 0.99
00:15:05.000 Kelly Weal at the Daily Beast.
00:15:08.000 That's the first link I sent you.
00:15:09.000 She's really enjoying this.
00:15:12.000 And the way they talk so smugly. 0.60
00:15:14.000 Like, what if you were playing some silly game like Monopoly or the mods versus the Rockers?
00:15:22.000 And then one of the Rockers was killed by a mod on Brighton Beach. 0.99
00:15:25.000 You go, holy shit, this is getting out of control. 1.00
00:15:28.000 So Kelly Wheel over at the Daily Beast, she's sitting there gloating about these guys going to prison, and you think, don't you realize now that your stupid game is ruining lives? 1.00
00:15:39.000 Kelly? 1.00
00:15:41.000 And you should read this article.
00:15:42.000 It's all about the debunked myth that it was self-defense.
00:15:45.000 I've explained to you truthfully exactly what happened that night.
00:15:48.000 And I'll do it again in this video we're going to show you.
00:15:52.000 But I think it's a pretty good case for self-defense.
00:15:54.000 And pretend they're gay if that's too hard for you to conceive of. 1.00
00:16:01.000 But look at this weird reporter from ABC News. 0.95
00:16:06.000 This is a tweet.
00:16:07.000 I forgot to number these.
00:16:08.000 This is a reporter happy about the sentence.
00:16:10.000 Dan, what's his name?
00:16:13.000 Ben Collins?
00:16:14.000 Ben Collins.
00:16:16.000 He's from ABC News.
00:16:18.000 That sounds like a reputable place.
00:16:20.000 I remember the NYPD presser on this attack, which tried to absolve the Proud Boys using selective camera angles.
00:16:27.000 I'm glad the truth came out.
00:16:29.000 Finally.
00:16:30.000 And then scroll down. 1.00
00:16:32.000 It's just a shit show of arrogance. 0.99
00:16:34.000 So Mike Cernovich points out that David Campbell, who, let's regurgitate this same old story because you can't say it enough. 1.00
00:16:41.000 That man right there, rich kid, Antifa kid, I think his dad's a lawyer. 0.98
00:16:47.000 He's going to jail for 18 months, which means he'll serve probably 12, which could be Rikers, not prison, jail, because he beat the living shit out of an old Jewish man, punched him in the face, and strangled him until the man had a heart attack, went into cardiac arrest. 0.99
00:17:02.000 He almost killed a man. 0.99
00:17:04.000 It would be very easy to frame that as attempted murder.
00:17:08.000 Okay?
00:17:08.000 He got 18 months for that.
00:17:11.000 One year.
00:17:13.000 A quarter of what Max and John got.
00:17:17.000 Oh, one other detail.
00:17:18.000 David Campbell also beat and assaulted the police who were trying to arrest him, including putting one cop in a headlock and choking him.
00:17:25.000 Go back to the reactions. 1.00
00:17:27.000 I don't know why I torture myself with this shit. 1.00
00:17:29.000 I just think, like, could any of these people handle an hour in jail? 1.00
00:17:34.000 And I'm not exaggerating.
00:17:35.000 So people are making fun of John's beard, which is weird.
00:17:38.000 Keep going down.
00:17:40.000 Going to prison to own the libs, dreading the books they'll write.
00:17:42.000 Let's hope the warden doesn't let them have crayons. 1.00
00:17:45.000 Haha, they're so stupid. 1.00
00:17:46.000 Keep going. 1.00
00:17:50.000 My video just put them.
00:17:51.000 Oh, there's Sandy Bochum.
00:17:53.000 She was the nut bar who has seances with witches to vex and hex Trump. 1.00
00:17:59.000 I'm not exaggerating.
00:18:01.000 And she was a credible witness, even though she had a nervous breakdown on the stand and started screaming and crying about her Rolex and then regretting that she mentioned that she has a Rolex because her whole thing is like, I'm poor, I'm a poor citizen journalist.
00:18:14.000 So not a credible witness at all.
00:18:16.000 But she was there.
00:18:17.000 They used her testimony.
00:18:18.000 It worked.
00:18:19.000 And here she is gloating about putting two men in prison for four years.
00:18:24.000 Like, isn't that bizarre?
00:18:28.000 I keep putting my brain into other people's heads. 0.99
00:18:30.000 And I think, if that was me, I'd be going, oh, shit, what have we done? 1.00
00:18:35.000 I'm sure that most left thinks that I should be doing that today and going, oh, shit, I shouldn't have done that speech. 1.00
00:18:40.000 It led to violence. 0.99
00:18:41.000 No, you picked the fight, Antifa.
00:18:45.000 You terrorized the venue.
00:18:46.000 The DNC, Cuomo de Blasio, pushed this.
00:18:49.000 I've done talks at the Manhattan Republican Club before to zero fanfare.
00:18:54.000 Just the previous year, I was there doing a talk.
00:18:57.000 Not one person outside.
00:18:58.000 Not one.
00:19:03.000 So keep going through those tweets, though. 0.99
00:19:07.000 We're really becoming a fucking classless society. 0.99
00:19:11.000 No, not Sandy's. 0.99
00:19:14.000 Yeah, scroll down, down, down, down, down.
00:19:16.000 There's one really weird one that really disturbed me.
00:19:19.000 Keep going.
00:19:20.000 She's so proud of herself.
00:19:21.000 I did it.
00:19:21.000 I put two men in a cage for four years.
00:19:24.000 Yes, that's justice.
00:19:25.000 Keep going, keep going.
00:19:27.000 Keep going, keep going.
00:19:28.000 Keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:19:31.000 Bob.
00:19:31.000 There.
00:19:33.000 Click on Bobby.
00:19:36.000 You have no idea how happy this makes me. 0.98
00:19:39.000 Isn't that fucking bizarre? 0.99
00:19:41.000 Now he's a nobody. 0.99
00:19:42.000 I think he owns a t-shirt store or something.
00:19:46.000 There he is.
00:19:47.000 He's ecstatic that John and Max are going to prison.
00:19:51.000 He would never have bumped into them ever in a million years, or any proud boys or I don't know.
00:19:55.000 Probably no Trump supporters ever affected his life.
00:19:58.000 But he's happy that two men are in a cage.
00:20:01.000 Isn't that confusing?
00:20:03.000 Isn't that bizarre?
00:20:05.000 What's his name?
00:20:06.000 Bobby Oliviera?
00:20:08.000 Bobby Bobby Oliviera. 1.00
00:20:14.000 Fucking twisted. 0.99
00:20:18.000 You know, another thing I was looking up is four years ago was that Paris train attack. 1.00
00:20:22.000 Remember that?
00:20:30.000 This is pre-Trump.
00:20:32.000 When you're allowed to be machismo to defend the Western world.
00:20:41.000 Thank you.
00:20:42.000 Look at the baby soda sponsor.
00:20:44.000 So this is obviously the movie that came out years later, but the actual event was four years ago, 2015, when baby Princess Charlotte was born.
00:20:56.000 This is why I never wear headphones, by the way. 0.98
00:21:02.000 God, the balls on that kid. 0.97
00:21:04.000 They all just looked at each other and said, let's do this. 0.98
00:21:07.000 And they used the actual kids in the movie.
00:21:09.000 I remember now.
00:21:11.000 Those are the guys.
00:21:13.000 Spencer, I think his name was.
00:21:16.000 Richard.
00:21:17.000 Spencer Richard or something.
00:21:19.000 But you can only do that through the struggle of life.
00:21:23.000 And most people avoid the struggle.
00:21:25.000 Most people go through life avoiding pain.
00:21:30.000 What is happening to our universe?
00:21:32.000 At some point in time, a transition takes place.
00:21:38.000 You learn how to leap higher.
00:21:40.000 You start challenging yourself to dig deeper.
00:21:46.000 Something in you that you never activated while it gives me.
00:21:53.000 I did that boxing.
00:21:54.000 I think I killed myself guys.
00:21:56.000 Do what you know is right. 1.00
00:22:00.000 And I killed him. 0.99
00:22:06.000 I don't know, man. 0.95
00:22:06.000 Every split life is just pushing us towards something like some greater purpose. 0.95
00:22:15.000 This trailer is as good as a movie.
00:22:17.000 Yeah.
00:22:18.000 I'm getting the same gratification from watching the entire film.
00:22:27.000 And these guys, Max and John, it's not like they said, let's go and fight terrorists.
00:22:32.000 Someone picked a fight with them and they said, sure, four years. 0.99
00:22:38.000 Four fucking years. 0.98
00:22:39.000 Anyway, let's show the movie. 0.99
00:22:40.000 Sorry, the movie.
00:22:42.000 Let's show the video I put together.
00:22:43.000 I just put it up on YouTube.
00:22:44.000 I'm trying to get it out as soon as possible so people can see what's really going on.
00:22:48.000 What's really going on is Max and John were framed and the entire right wing, anyone right of center, anyone who's not alt left, basically everyone to the right of Alexandria Arquezo-Cortez is being framed.
00:23:02.000 We're not going to prison yet, but it's begun.
00:23:05.000 Music.
00:23:15.000 Proud boys Max Hare and John Kinsman were just sentenced to four years in prison for defending themselves too much after an Antifa ambush.
00:23:28.000 You cannot be civil.
00:23:30.000 What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets.
00:23:35.000 Their idea is, look, nonviolence hasn't worked and we are going to try to stop this.
00:23:39.000 If you see anybody but that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, in a gas police station, you get up and you stay on the phone. 0.73
00:23:53.000 They go low, be kicked.
00:23:55.000 That's what this new Democratic Party is about. 0.94
00:23:57.000 That's what this new flag is about.
00:23:59.000 All of our suits are not yet to be able to.
00:24:01.000 I'm not sure you're not yet to be able to.
00:24:03.000 Yeah.
00:24:04.000 I'm in shock.
00:24:05.000 I just got off the phone with John's wife.
00:24:07.000 She's in shock.
00:24:08.000 They have a newborn, not featured in this picture, who won't know John when he gets out in four years.
00:24:18.000 Eight years combined.
00:24:19.000 Four and four.
00:24:21.000 For a brawl, a barroom brawl with zero victims.
00:24:25.000 The Antifa who picked this fight backed out, insulted the cops, have no injuries.
00:24:31.000 These guys didn't get to face their accusers.
00:24:33.000 There was no accuser.
00:24:35.000 The accuser was the state.
00:24:37.000 It was the DNC.
00:24:39.000 Last year, I did a talk at the Manhattan Republican Club, like I've done many times before, to no reaction in the past, but this time they needed a reaction.
00:24:48.000 The DNC were about to face the midterms.
00:24:51.000 They were being known as violent.
00:24:53.000 There was Jobs Not Mobs trending, and they needed right-wing violence desperately to fit the narrative.
00:25:00.000 So they picked fights all night.
00:25:02.000 They attacked everyone who came to my speech, which, by the way, was a comedy show.
00:25:06.000 It was a funny speech.
00:25:08.000 But within every joke is a tiny revolution, and the DNC doesn't want that because Trump cannot win in 2020.
00:25:16.000 That's what this is all about.
00:25:18.000 It's about Trump and Cuomo and de Blasio manipulating the courts to thwart Trump in 2020.
00:25:27.000 I did my talk.
00:25:28.000 Antifa were violent all night.
00:25:30.000 They were attacking the venue before I even showed up, vandalizing it, threatening violence. 0.96
00:25:35.000 They beat the crap out of a reporter, stole his equipment.
00:25:38.000 Zero charges, zero media attention.
00:25:41.000 Three guys, Caleb Perkin, Kai Russo, and Finn Barslonim, got away with assault.
00:25:47.000 They got away with felonies that night.
00:25:49.000 No mention of it in the media.
00:25:51.000 At the end of my talk, about 10 proud boys were leaving the event, escorted by police.
00:25:57.000 Two of them, Max and John, were ahead of the crowd, turned a corner.
00:26:01.000 They were ambushed by six Antifa.
00:26:06.000 Six individuals circled the block and cave 82nd Street, Lex the Park to try to intercept the group.
00:26:13.000 Six Antifa ambushed two Proud Boys.
00:26:16.000 This was made very clear by the police.
00:26:19.000 The six Antifa jumped them, threw a bottle of piss at them.
00:26:23.000 Max ran up, ripped their mask off.
00:26:27.000 Two of the, then the rest of the Proud Boys came around the corner.
00:26:30.000 Two of the six Antifa ran away.
00:26:33.000 Four stayed.
00:26:34.000 They got beaten up by Proud Boys for picking a fight. 0.70
00:26:38.000 The police showed up 17 seconds into this silly brawl.
00:26:43.000 And the cop said to Antifa, do you want to press charges? 1.00
00:26:46.000 And Antifa said, fuck you, pig. 1.00
00:26:48.000 I just got punched in the face like 70 times or something like that. 1.00
00:26:52.000 They were pumped, the Proud Boys, after this. 0.99
00:26:55.000 At one point, Max yelled, there was fucking four of them. 0.99
00:26:58.000 He was proud of himself for beating back an ambush. 1.00
00:27:01.000 The media spun that into him saying they were fucking foreigners. 0.98
00:27:05.000 De Blasio, Cuomo, the Attorney General, Lanceman, all these municipal politicians started pushing this fake narrative that it was a hate group that were roaming the streets looking for enemies. 1.00
00:27:19.000 That bullshit fake news narrative made it to the courts. 0.97
00:27:23.000 And then the courts amplified it. 0.98
00:27:25.000 The judge said, basically called me Hitler and said he's sentencing these guys because it reminds him of 1930s Europe, political brawls in 1930s Europe.
00:27:36.000 He's saying that he has to sentence these guys to prevent World War III. 0.99
00:27:41.000 That's fucking insane. 1.00
00:27:43.000 This is pure clown world. 1.00
00:27:45.000 The fake news is leading to real sentences. 0.97
00:27:49.000 The left picks fights.
00:27:51.000 The left started this. 0.99
00:27:53.000 The left said we're going to beat the shit out of everyone wearing a MAGA hat and they do it regularly. 0.99
00:27:58.000 And regularly, they get away with it. 0.99
00:28:01.000 When we defend ourselves, when we stand our ground, we go to prison. 1.00
00:28:06.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.98
00:28:15.000 You know what I think a lot of people do when something like this happens is they just sort of block it out. 1.00
00:28:20.000 Like you have cancer.
00:28:23.000 Not really.
00:28:24.000 And lots of people get cancer.
00:28:26.000 No.
00:28:26.000 It's not a big deal.
00:28:27.000 And then about 24 hours later, it sinks in.
00:28:30.000 Part of my brain wants to go, well, these guys shouldn't have been fighting.
00:28:33.000 They should have just stood there.
00:28:34.000 You know, they should have known.
00:28:35.000 Because your brain can't handle it. 1.00
00:28:37.000 And I think a lot of these critics out there that go, fuck those guys. 1.00
00:28:40.000 I'm glad that you have no idea how happy this makes me. 0.99
00:28:44.000 It's almost like the 9-11 truthers where they go, I can't fathom something that evil. 0.96
00:28:48.000 Let's just make it like it was the government and they exploded the buildings with like, what's that shit called? 0.98
00:28:54.000 Thermite paint. 0.99
00:28:55.000 Thermite.
00:28:56.000 Thermite paint.
00:28:58.000 That's what it was.
00:28:59.000 Because you can't digest it. 0.52
00:29:00.000 That's why there's so little reporting on Africa and the white farmers getting murdered in South Africa or even just the cannibalism or the albinos being dismembered because their blood is magic or babies getting raped because it cures AIDS. 0.86
00:29:14.000 People just can't stomach it. 0.63
00:29:16.000 So they go, let's not report on that.
00:29:17.000 Actually, that.
00:29:19.000 That's why history has been so oversimplified, where the natives were nice and they were just smoking peace pipes. 0.99
00:29:24.000 Then we came and killed them all.
00:29:25.000 And then we said, hey, slaves, build something. 0.99
00:29:27.000 And then they built it.
00:29:28.000 And that's why we have this building.
00:29:29.000 It's built by slaves. 0.98
00:29:32.000 Nuance is too disturbing.
00:29:34.000 But slowly, I'm realizing that, yes, there'll be an appeal.
00:29:40.000 Yes, we'll write letters.
00:29:41.000 Yes, his family will come visit him.
00:29:44.000 But at the end of the day, 99% of their next 3.3 years at best, not at best, sorry, most likely, is going to be in a cage in a box.
00:29:59.000 Um...
00:30:02.000 So I got Jim Goad.
00:30:04.000 Do we have Jim?
00:30:06.000 Jim spent two and a half years in prison for domestic violence.
00:30:12.000 He'll probably tell us the story. 0.90
00:30:13.000 It's in his book Shit Magnet, which is very good. 0.96
00:30:16.000 And he didn't deserve any time for it. 0.82
00:30:20.000 But I want to ask him what it's like in prison and how to survive.
00:30:25.000 I don't know.
00:30:25.000 I know I can't be free.
00:30:27.000 But those people...
00:30:32.000 Jim, are you there, sir?
00:30:34.000 Yay.
00:30:36.000 Don't tell me what your shirt is.
00:30:38.000 I will recognize it right away and blow your mind.
00:30:41.000 You ready?
00:30:42.000 That is the child who stole a train in the Steve Martin movie, The Jerk. 1.00
00:30:47.000 He's wearing a shirt that says bullshit. 1.00
00:30:50.000 Is that true in the jerk that he wore a bullshit shirt? 1.00
00:30:53.000 Because I don't know. 1.00
00:30:54.000 The ex-wife gave this to me.
00:30:56.000 She found it at a flea market.
00:30:58.000 Yeah, Bernadette Peters was looking after a little kid, and she said, Have you seen my boy? 0.99
00:31:04.000 He has a shirt that says bullshit on it. 0.99
00:31:06.000 And then they show a kid with bullshit on his shirt stealing a train, a toy train. 1.00
00:31:10.000 Bernadette Peters. 1.00
00:31:11.000 Oh, my God.
00:31:13.000 How much seed did I spill over her in the 70s? 1.00
00:31:16.000 Crazy.
00:31:16.000 Oh, she's so hot.
00:31:18.000 She's a lot, too.
00:31:18.000 She looks like exactly the same last time I saw her.
00:31:21.000 She just had like gallons of Botox and fillers. 1.00
00:31:25.000 Well, she was 30 in that movie. 0.74
00:31:26.000 That was 1980.
00:31:28.000 So she must be, what, 80 now?
00:31:31.000 I don't care.
00:31:34.000 Does that make sense?
00:31:35.000 She was hot, but I thought she was Jewish and she wasn't, though, because she kind of looked it. 1.00
00:31:38.000 Because most of the crushes I had in the 70s were like weird ones that no one else can even understand.
00:31:44.000 Like Penny Marshall.
00:31:46.000 You liked Penny Marshall.
00:31:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:49.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:49.000 I spilled seed over Laverne quite a few times.
00:31:52.000 First pornographic dream I ever had was Barbara Streisand.
00:31:55.000 Barbara Streisand, I could see.
00:31:57.000 When she was young, she was hot.
00:31:58.000 You should check out her Twitter feed if you want to get over her, though.
00:32:01.000 Alan the Pussycat. 0.98
00:32:02.000 She dressed up as a hooker in fishnets and everything. 1.00
00:32:04.000 That's what did it for me when I was 12.
00:32:06.000 Okay, we should look all this up after we're done talking to Jim because these are all very important.
00:32:10.000 So, Jim, my friends Max and John just got sentenced to four years in prison for getting in a fight with Antifa, which happens on a daily basis, basically, around the world.
00:32:21.000 But in New York, it's stopped.
00:32:23.000 The judge said that he's seen political brawls before in history, and it was in Europe in the 30s.
00:32:32.000 It's Godwin's law.
00:32:33.000 Everything goes back to that.
00:32:34.000 Now, didn't the governor and the mayor immediately pass judgment?
00:32:39.000 Yes.
00:32:39.000 They said.
00:32:40.000 How is that not a tainted venue to begin with?
00:32:43.000 Right.
00:32:44.000 So it's looking good for the appeal.
00:32:46.000 Because I saw the video through the storefront, and then it looks like they threw a bottle, and then but then they say there were other angles where these guys were charging them, and that's why they threw the bottle.
00:32:57.000 Do you know anything about that?
00:32:58.000 Because, I mean, as a convict, I don't pass judgment until I know everything.
00:33:03.000 Right. 1.00
00:33:03.000 Because shit can really be easily misled. 1.00
00:33:06.000 You got to think of it as Westside Story. 0.99
00:33:09.000 So the Jets showed up around the corner with the switchblade and said, let's do this.
00:33:15.000 Who were the other guys in Westside Story?
00:33:16.000 The Greasers?
00:33:17.000 Sharks.
00:33:17.000 The sharks.
00:33:18.000 The Puerto Ricans were the sharks. 1.00
00:33:20.000 So the Jets showed up and they formed a wall in front of the sharks. 0.85
00:33:26.000 And they had been attacking all night.
00:33:27.000 Yes, the sharks did run at them, but they ran at them, took their mask off.
00:33:32.000 I don't know exactly when the bottle of piss was thrown, if they had started running before the bottle of piss, but is it relevant?
00:33:41.000 I guess it's like, you know, in determining what's legally self-defense, maybe it is, but four years, what was the actual charge?
00:33:49.000 And these guys, these their first convictions?
00:33:51.000 Oh, yeah, first convictions.
00:33:52.000 The charges were insane.
00:33:53.000 It was like felony, gang assault, attack with a deadly weapon.
00:33:58.000 The deadly weapon was Max's boot.
00:34:01.000 And the attempted assault was based on the assumption that he wanted to hurt everyone in Antifa.
00:34:07.000 So all six guys who were there were victims of attempted assault because Max wanted to hurt them all.
00:34:14.000 So if there was 40 there, he would have been charged with 40 cases of attempted assault.
00:34:18.000 I've never even heard of it.
00:34:20.000 They didn't even talk to the cops, the Antifa guys, to their credit, right?
00:34:23.000 Yeah, to their credit. 1.00
00:34:24.000 They told the cops to go fuck themselves. 0.99
00:34:27.000 See, this is, when I was in the joint, I remember hearing, I don't know if this is true or not, I've said it many times like it's true, in Germany, the way the law works is if there's evidence of a crime, the prosecutor has to prosecute. 0.99
00:34:40.000 They can't pick and choose like unpopular.
00:34:42.000 Obviously, you're unpopular in New York, in the climate in New York, but that shouldn't go toward caging a human being.
00:34:50.000 I mean, it was obviously both sides.
00:34:52.000 And I'm always triggered by prison stories because you know my story.
00:34:56.000 I don't want to tell it again.
00:34:57.000 I finally hit back after a year and I go.
00:35:00.000 And this is what happened.
00:35:02.000 And this is why, like with, we probably have different views about Charlottesville, but Charlottesville happened at the end of, what, two, three years of constant attacks.
00:35:11.000 And it was all constant attacks that day.
00:35:15.000 Yeah, one knucklehead with mental problems, who I guess used to beat his own mother, drives through a crowd after like having a gun pointed at his car and having his car attacked. 0.88
00:35:25.000 But my God, like people are able to remove everything that led up to it. 0.87
00:35:29.000 Yeah, and it's not fashionable to defend him, but he got 430 years.
00:35:34.000 I mean, what's your, in your experience, what does like a typical rapist get who is a bad guy with a knife jumping out of the bushes with a mask on, like the full-on rapist?
00:35:47.000 I know in Oregon, it was like a seven years mandatory minimum.
00:35:51.000 Yeah.
00:35:52.000 What about murder?
00:35:53.000 39 years, yeah.
00:35:54.000 What about murder?
00:35:55.000 Because we all know what the sentences are, but what do you actually see happen?
00:35:59.000 Oh, that's in Oregon.
00:36:00.000 That's how it works now.
00:36:01.000 There's no such thing as good time.
00:36:02.000 You get seven years you do every day.
00:36:04.000 Okay, but what about?
00:36:05.000 When I was going, you got 20% off if you behaved.
00:36:08.000 That's why I was well-behaved.
00:36:10.000 Got into a couple fights, but they didn't find out about it, so I got off six months early out of three years.
00:36:16.000 But that doesn't work.
00:36:17.000 And it's insane because what's the incentive to behave in prison then?
00:36:22.000 If you can just shank people, what they'll do is give you new charges, but why behave?
00:36:27.000 It becomes a gladiator school and people are just killing each other.
00:36:32.000 But the idea, that's a big theme of my writing is isolating guilt.
00:36:36.000 It was with the Redneck book. 0.72
00:36:37.000 It was with Shit Magnet. 0.96
00:36:40.000 The winners write history, so all we're going to hear is how the Nazis were bad and the Allies were good and the Confederates were bad. 0.95
00:36:47.000 And isn't that funny, though?
00:36:49.000 The bad guys always lose.
00:36:52.000 Always.
00:36:53.000 They're always evil.
00:36:54.000 You know, and it's like now Cuomo and de Blasio and these dagos that run New York State, like they can crow about it. 1.00
00:37:04.000 And what's the message? 0.99
00:37:05.000 Shut the hell up and let them beat you. 0.99
00:37:07.000 Well, and the takeaway is we prevented World War III. 0.99
00:37:11.000 Hitler did a talk, a burgeoning new Hitler, and then his stormtroopers went out, and we nipped it in the bud.
00:37:18.000 Now we're not going to have a new American Nazi Party.
00:37:23.000 If there was all this white supremacy, no one would be able to talk.
00:37:27.000 Are we allowed to curse on here? 0.80
00:37:28.000 Yes. 1.00
00:37:30.000 No one would be able to talk shit about white people without getting beaten down. 1.00
00:37:33.000 If Trump was Hitler, if Trump was Hitler, anyone who said anything about him would have their throats slit. 1.00
00:37:38.000 And you wouldn't be fired. 0.99
00:37:40.000 Hysteria. 0.97
00:37:40.000 You wouldn't become persona non-grata if you're an anti-Semite or a racist. 0.97
00:37:45.000 If that was normal, then you just go, oh, yeah, I've heard about you guys. 0.98
00:37:48.000 You're anti-Semites. 0.96
00:37:49.000 You're everywhere. 1.00
00:37:50.000 Oh, you're a white supremacist. 1.00
00:37:51.000 Yeah, the president's a white supremacist. 1.00
00:37:52.000 You must feel very comfortable here in racist America. 0.99
00:37:55.000 But you're a pariah if you're a racist or an anti-Semite, as you should be. 0.99
00:37:59.000 There's nothing worse. 0.99
00:38:00.000 I mean, I think probably in this climate, a pedophile is a notch above a racist. 0.92
00:38:05.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:38:06.000 And a cannibal is below that.
00:38:09.000 I think you might have told me this, but they were doing a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer, and he found out about it, and he contacted the documentarians and said, look, I want to be clear here that I was only eating black people because I was in a black neighborhood.
00:38:21.000 I'm not racist.
00:38:23.000 And they're like, okay, okay.
00:38:25.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:38:26.000 He's having sex with dismembered body parts, but as long as he has to clarify, he's not a racist. 0.99
00:38:32.000 It's become a pessimist. 0.99
00:38:34.000 What they call racism, I mean, there are nutty people who are inadequate and blame other races for their problems. 0.90
00:38:42.000 But when they talk about your average racist, that's not what's going on. 0.82
00:38:45.000 It's what Steve Saylor said.
00:38:47.000 It's people who notice differences.
00:38:49.000 Or in my case, like I'm always accused of being pro-white.
00:38:54.000 It's just a not-anti.
00:38:55.000 It was John Darbyshire.
00:38:56.000 He said, no, I'm anti-anti-white.
00:38:58.000 Right.
00:38:59.000 Well, you see that.
00:39:00.000 So we got to dream about racism, but you, you, what is more racist than to isolate all the propensity for evil and racial hatred in one group?
00:39:10.000 Yeah.
00:39:11.000 that's beyond saying, hey, some are better jumpers, some are better at math. 0.90
00:39:15.000 That's saying, you're evil.
00:39:16.000 That's the most racist thing you could say. 0.99
00:39:19.000 And that's what they're saying about white people these days. 0.99
00:39:22.000 It's insane.
00:39:23.000 I mean, how do you not get completely demoralized?
00:39:28.000 It's tough, right?
00:39:29.000 I'm getting there.
00:39:30.000 I'm getting there.
00:39:31.000 Yeah.
00:39:32.000 But, I mean, you've got enough Celt in you that there's a fighting spirit still. 0.99
00:39:36.000 It's like, this is still bullshit. 0.99
00:39:38.000 I box every morning and rage on bags and people to not end up a murderer. 0.99
00:39:46.000 But, you know, that controversial sticker that the 4chan dudes were putting up that says, it's okay to be white, that really sums up this climate we're in right now.
00:39:56.000 That is a horrible thing to say.
00:39:58.000 That it's just okay to be who you are.
00:40:01.000 Yeah.
00:40:01.000 That's reverberation.
00:40:02.000 No, it's, I mean, this, you know, I'm anti-religious in my thinking, but that was my book before this most recent one was, Whiteness, the Original Sin. 0.62
00:40:10.000 That's a blood libel.
00:40:12.000 Like a biblical sins of the fathers visited on their sons.
00:40:15.000 You're born responsible for slavery and the Holocaust. 1.00
00:40:19.000 It's like, uh-uh.
00:40:20.000 The little brat in me says no.
00:40:23.000 Well, you can't get out of it. 0.99
00:40:24.000 John Kinsman's wife is black. 0.99
00:40:26.000 His kids are black. 1.00
00:40:27.000 These three black kids are being punished now for being the children of a white supremacist. 0.99
00:40:34.000 And the state took their father away in the name of fighting hate. 0.98
00:40:41.000 What?
00:40:42.000 But you went to great lengths, great pains, to say you're not a racist, to include black.
00:40:49.000 It's a word I don't believe in.
00:40:51.000 It's a meaningless word.
00:40:52.000 It's whatever people want it to believe, and it's metastasizing and swelling.
00:40:56.000 Everything's racist now.
00:40:58.000 But you couldn't have made it more clear, and you're that way anyway.
00:41:02.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter.
00:41:03.000 Doesn't that feel like you're being gaslit or they're just messing with your mind?
00:41:06.000 Yeah.
00:41:06.000 And, you know, I would still do, like, if I lived on a planet where it was wrong to be straight, I'd still say I was straight every day to everyone.
00:41:14.000 Or, you know, if everyone kept accusing me of being gay, I'd say I'm not gay until I'm blue in the face, not because I give a shit what they think and I'm trying to change their mind, but because it's the truth. 0.97
00:41:22.000 And all these all. 0.99
00:41:23.000 It took a million cocks to prove I'm not gay. 0.99
00:41:26.000 Bring them on. 0.99
00:41:27.000 So yeah, I didn't enjoy that one.
00:41:28.000 Bring another one on.
00:41:29.000 Gross.
00:41:30.000 I mean, once you have to explain yourself or defend yourself to people, I just walk away because it's like they're playing a power move on you.
00:41:37.000 Yeah, but it's so powerful.
00:41:39.000 I mean, the lie that Proud Boys are Nazis just got...
00:41:44.000 One guy's doing Rikers weekends, and there's a brown guy, an Indian guy, who's about to face trial.
00:41:49.000 He'll probably get four years too.
00:41:51.000 So that's three, one in jail, two in prison, and a fourth one on his way.
00:41:56.000 Based on this myth, based on this fun little game they're all playing where they pretend Trump's a Nazi and you're a Nazi.
00:42:02.000 It's like monopoly to them, but it has real-life consequences.
00:42:06.000 This is why I have a problem with moralism, too.
00:42:08.000 And when you're in jail, you have a lot of time to think about these things.
00:42:13.000 Usually, according to the, if I took you and put you in a cage, I'd probably do life.
00:42:19.000 Right?
00:42:20.000 That's like extreme kid...
00:42:24.000 So when the government does it, it's okay.
00:42:26.000 Like, okay, they beat it.
00:42:28.000 What was the worst injury somebody suffered in this?
00:42:31.000 You know, anybody could stitch it?
00:42:33.000 They left.
00:42:34.000 We don't know.
00:42:34.000 And there was no blood anywhere.
00:42:36.000 There's no stitches.
00:42:39.000 But you take somebody, you ruin their life, you ruin their family, basically.
00:42:45.000 You stuff them in a cage and treat them like an animal for four years.
00:42:49.000 I guess people that are weak will say, yes, I'm wrong and I've learned my lesson.
00:42:52.000 What I learned is like, no, you're abusing me now.
00:42:55.000 And it's very clear.
00:42:56.000 I can tell what abuse feels like.
00:42:58.000 This is it.
00:43:00.000 Four years, like, what are these guys going to be like when they get out?
00:43:02.000 Some of them have kids, right?
00:43:04.000 They're not going to see their dad for four years.
00:43:06.000 John has a newborn.
00:43:08.000 His four-year-old won't recognize him because daddy wasn't around for my first four years.
00:43:14.000 But in their minds, that's justice.
00:43:16.000 It's like, that's perverted thinking to me. 0.97
00:43:19.000 It really is sick.
00:43:20.000 Well, Tommy Robinson did 10 weeks twice in solitary where his cell was, I think, eight feet by eight feet.
00:43:27.000 And then to exercise, he was allowed to go to a six foot by six foot cell.
00:43:30.000 If you did that to a dog, there'd be riots in the streets.
00:43:34.000 In Oregon State Penitentiary, our cells were seven and a half by five and a half feet.
00:43:40.000 Were you by yourself in there?
00:43:41.000 Flatten your palms on either side of the cell.
00:43:44.000 You could stick your toes on the bars and stick the back with your fingertips.
00:43:49.000 Two guys.
00:43:51.000 Two guys, two beds, and a toilet.
00:43:53.000 And how long are you in there for?
00:43:56.000 I was there at OSP, you're there 22 hours a day.
00:44:00.000 22 hours a day.
00:44:03.000 In that five and a half by seven and a half.
00:44:05.000 Who in their right mind thinks, okay, you take most criminals, low educated, bad families, how is this going to make them better and not worse?
00:44:15.000 And you hear the whole you can't do the crime, can't do the time.
00:44:20.000 I read a book called Kind and Usual Punishment, a take on cruel and unusual punishment.
00:44:24.000 This was written in the early 70s.
00:44:26.000 They did a study and, well, yes, 70% of Americans estimated have committed at least one felony in their lives, adult Americans.
00:44:34.000 1% will do time ever.
00:44:38.000 Just consider yourself lucky.
00:44:40.000 I'm sure you've committed felonies.
00:44:41.000 Oh, yeah.
00:44:42.000 I mean, drug possession.
00:44:43.000 Some of these things are felonies.
00:44:46.000 Yeah.
00:44:46.000 You know, just be grateful.
00:44:48.000 My God.
00:44:49.000 Drunk driving.
00:44:50.000 Everyone in America is drunk driving tonight.
00:44:53.000 I mean, what percentage of drivers tonight after midnight are drunk?
00:44:59.000 I would say in big cities, big coastal towns, it's probably like 10 to 20 percent.
00:45:05.000 So what's happened with this and after Charlottesville is like there's no right-wing street activism anymore, right?
00:45:11.000 Done.
00:45:12.000 Nobody marches.
00:45:13.000 Nobody holds.
00:45:15.000 And it's like, okay, so it's not like Germany in the 30s.
00:45:17.000 It's like Germany in the 20s when communists roam the streets and crack skulls.
00:45:21.000 Is that better?
00:45:22.000 I mean, that's...
00:45:25.000 Going to my Jewish boss in 2008, I read Mein Kamp on an iPhone and all this stuff he's talking about, how these communist gangs were disrupting things, breaking skulls.
00:45:34.000 That's in the 20s.
00:45:35.000 That's what's going on now.
00:45:37.000 It's fascism.
00:45:39.000 Huh?
00:45:39.000 This is fascism.
00:45:40.000 It's totalitarianism.
00:45:42.000 I think fascism is technically an economic plan.
00:45:46.000 But yeah, it's intolerance.
00:45:48.000 It's like extreme intolerance.
00:45:50.000 I wrote for Tackies a long time ago, the tolerance that only goes skin deep. 1.00
00:45:55.000 Oh, you tolerate that he's got two dicks. 0.99
00:45:58.000 You tolerate that their skin's darker than yours. 1.00
00:46:01.000 But you'll kill them for what's in their head. 1.00
00:46:04.000 Right. 0.99
00:46:04.000 If there's anything you should tolerate, it's what somebody thinks or feels. 0.99
00:46:08.000 Well, in the case of John and Max, it's not even what's in their head.
00:46:11.000 These guys are Trump supporters.
00:46:13.000 They're conservatives.
00:46:14.000 They're traditionalists.
00:46:14.000 They're family men.
00:46:16.000 But you put Nazi in their head and then punish them for it. 0.71
00:46:20.000 And any idea how many of the Antifa, they're all in black, but any non-white Antifa members get attacked in this? 0.78
00:46:34.000 There's no such thing as an Antifa foreigner.
00:46:37.000 Like, when did you ever see, maybe you see, like, a black one one in a thousand, but no one calls black. 0.89
00:46:43.000 It's like a white talking black. 0.84
00:46:44.000 You don't get some, you know, Leon from the hood in Antifa.
00:46:48.000 Never, never.
00:46:50.000 Never.
00:46:50.000 It's unfathomable.
00:46:51.000 That's the type of guy you'll actually be able to talk to on the subway.
00:46:54.000 Yeah.
00:46:55.000 You know, it's some, I don't want to mention him, a former associate.
00:46:58.000 It's that kind of black, a former associate of yours who does videos kind of, like a half-white black, like a raised white kind of black person that joins Antifa. 0.53
00:47:09.000 Yeah.
00:47:09.000 You know?
00:47:09.000 Well, now you got me wondering who you're talking about, Talippe Starks?
00:47:13.000 Oh, Derek right there, right?
00:47:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.000 I want to know more about prison.
00:47:18.000 So you're sitting there for 22 hours.
00:47:21.000 You know, reading for more than four hours, you're like, I've done enough reading now.
00:47:26.000 Now we got 16 to kill.
00:47:28.000 Or sorry. 0.99
00:47:29.000 I wrote a book. 0.95
00:47:30.000 I wrote Shit Magnet with little, you can't have pens because they're weapons. 0.98
00:47:35.000 So on a one by one foot steel tray that comes out of the wall next to your cot with golf pencils, I wrote Shit Magnet. 0.93
00:47:43.000 And when you edit a chapter in prison, you're like a monk with the Book of Kells. 0.94
00:47:48.000 You have to hand rewrite every word.
00:47:51.000 And I'm an obsessive type, so I was just, I was, you know, researching domestic violence, everything. 0.97
00:47:57.000 A lot of guys just jerk off and read Tom Clancy novels, you know, or play cards or make Pruno, which is disgusting. 0.98
00:48:05.000 They make like wine out of their toilets. 1.00
00:48:08.000 Oh, I've heard of that before.
00:48:09.000 How do you play cards?
00:48:10.000 There's no table.
00:48:12.000 Is there a table?
00:48:13.000 You've got a one-by-one-foot table, or you just use the bed or whatever and play cards or write, you know, but it's it's it's I remember hearing like a gang member's life.
00:48:22.000 It's like 23 hours and 58 minutes of the most boring existence, but that two minutes, and that's kind of what it's like.
00:48:30.000 You get killed with boredom and claustrophobia.
00:48:34.000 Oh my God.
00:48:34.000 If anybody thinks claustrophobia, if anybody thinks it's easy, have someone lock you in a five by eight foot room for 12 hours and see how great you feel.
00:48:43.000 Exactly.
00:48:44.000 Yeah, a bathroom.
00:48:45.000 Lock yourself in the bathroom for 12 hours.
00:48:47.000 All these people gloating on Twitter right now saying, good, I can't tell you how happy I am that these guys are finally getting put away. 0.99
00:48:53.000 And you think, I'd love to see you, you gloater, for 24 hours experience what they're going to be doing for four fucking years. 0.98
00:49:01.000 And this is why I wound up admiring a lot of the convicts because they're not about that passive aggressive, let somebody else rape them. 1.00
00:49:09.000 Like, that's a coward. 1.00
00:49:11.000 Oh, well, why don't you rape them? 1.00
00:49:12.000 Well, I'm not going to do that. 1.00
00:49:13.000 Like, I mentioned this story recently.
00:49:15.000 There's some girl I used to bang six, seven years ago. 0.98
00:49:18.000 And she calls me from time to time.
00:49:21.000 And her fiancé found out about it.
00:49:23.000 And he gets drunk and he leaves me all these, I hope that everyone that you ever pissed off finds their way to you.
00:49:29.000 And I call him up.
00:49:30.000 I'm like, why don't you do it, man?
00:49:31.000 I'm right here.
00:49:33.000 I'm right here.
00:49:34.000 I'll give you my address.
00:49:35.000 Come and find your way to me.
00:49:37.000 And it's like, and that was one of the things I was thinking, too, when I was at the penitentiary.
00:49:41.000 It's like, I guess the further removed you are from the actual aggression and revenge, the more sadistic it has to be.
00:49:47.000 It's like, well, then we get to bomb the entire Middle East since I can't actually smack somebody who insulted me. 0.96
00:49:53.000 Like the further away you are, the more extreme to get the same mental orgasm off of someone else's suffering. 0.98
00:50:00.000 It has to be more extreme. 0.57
00:50:02.000 But yeah, I see all these people. 1.00
00:50:03.000 Yo, you're going to get raped. 1.00
00:50:04.000 Oh, don't drop the soap. 1.00
00:50:05.000 It's like, you're sick.
00:50:07.000 Yeah, really? 0.99
00:50:08.000 I thought you hated rape jokes. 1.00
00:50:09.000 Now you love them? 0.95
00:50:10.000 What a strange double standard.
00:50:11.000 How did you not go insane in there?
00:50:14.000 Who said I didn't?
00:50:15.000 I mean, it was such a confluence.
00:50:18.000 You know what?
00:50:19.000 There were a couple of things that actually kept me sane.
00:50:21.000 And I don't know if we had, I'll try to tell this story really quick.
00:50:23.000 I've told it a million times, but you get to a point.
00:50:27.000 I was there for like two years, and I had no internet access.
00:50:30.000 I don't know if they do now, but this was 20 years ago.
00:50:34.000 Real quick, what happened that night was we had a violent relationship over a year.
00:50:40.000 She attacked me earlier that day. 0.95
00:50:41.000 I still got a scar on my elbow from when she bit me on a bus.
00:50:44.000 I called the cops that day and told them to forget about it.
00:50:48.000 But we got together again that night.
00:50:50.000 Dysfunctional as hell.
00:50:52.000 But then I woke up in the middle of the night.
00:50:53.000 I'm like, this is crazy.
00:50:54.000 I'm taking you home.
00:50:56.000 And I was insulting her the whole way over.
00:50:58.000 I'm like, I'm going to find some girl who's not crazy.
00:50:58.000 We pull up.
00:51:00.000 Get out of the car.
00:51:01.000 She didn't.
00:51:01.000 She lunged at me, scratched my face up.
00:51:03.000 I held her wrists.
00:51:04.000 And it's like, that was the fourth time she'd physically attacked me in the three weeks since I got a restraining order.
00:51:12.000 And inside, you know, internally, my eyes rolled in my head, like, why is she escalating?
00:51:16.000 I could have her arrested right now. 1.00
00:51:18.000 Why can't you just get out of the car?
00:51:19.000 And as I'm holding her wrists, we're struggling, and a black dude walks up, and it's only notable because it's Portland, and they're called the Trailblazers. 0.53
00:51:26.000 There are no other black people in Portland.
00:51:29.000 And you find that with the most anti-racist cities, there are no races in these anti-they're all white cities. 0.96
00:51:34.000 The less blacks in their area, the more they covet them. 0.96
00:51:37.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99
00:51:37.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:51:38.000 They're little mascots and everything. 0.92
00:51:39.000 But, you know, I'm like, and I'm such a malicious, controlling, evil, abusive guy.
00:51:44.000 I could have gotten her arrested right then. 1.00
00:51:45.000 I'm like, no, we're cool.
00:51:46.000 I turn back.
00:51:47.000 She punches me in the nose.
00:51:48.000 I see blood.
00:51:49.000 I freak out.
00:51:50.000 Okay.
00:51:50.000 But after two years, I couldn't get my story out.
00:51:53.000 She's all over the place talking to anybody who listened to her. 0.75
00:51:56.000 And you start to wonder, it's like, am I crazy?
00:51:58.000 Am I misremembering what happened here?
00:52:01.000 Because you know what? 0.99
00:52:02.000 I'd actually like to be just this abusive asshole because what happened to me is much worse. 1.00
00:52:07.000 I kept her out of jail and then I fell on my ass. 1.00
00:52:09.000 That's horrible. 1.00
00:52:10.000 Like, that's a complete loss of control and humiliation.
00:52:14.000 I started wondering.
00:52:15.000 I started thinking, like, did I misrepresent it to protect my ego or something?
00:52:19.000 Like, what's going on?
00:52:20.000 I almost wished that her version was true.
00:52:23.000 Then I was selled up with a guy named Richard Thomas.
00:52:25.000 This might be before your time, The Waltons.
00:52:28.000 Yeah, I remember the Waltons.
00:52:28.000 John Boy Walton.
00:52:29.000 Biggest drama of the 70s.
00:52:30.000 John Boy Walton was the main character.
00:52:33.000 His name was Richard Thomas.
00:52:34.000 This guy in my cell was also named Richard Thomas.
00:52:36.000 He said he was his cousin.
00:52:39.000 And he, in prison, if you have any notoriety, you're a superstar.
00:52:43.000 And he found out I was a writer.
00:52:44.000 He told his girlfriend to buy my redneck book.
00:52:46.000 And my picture's on the hardcover.
00:52:48.000 And she said that she thought I was a handsome guy or something.
00:52:51.000 Big mistake.
00:52:52.000 So for a couple of weeks, he's like, oh, you're getting some gray hairs there.
00:52:55.000 I see kind of wrinkles.
00:52:56.000 You're kind of losing your hair. 0.99
00:52:57.000 Like, one thing, after a while, I'm like, what the fuck is your problem? 0.99
00:53:01.000 He lunged at me. 0.99
00:53:03.000 I grabbed his wrist and thought, why does he have to do this?
00:53:06.000 Like, I could lose my good time.
00:53:08.000 Right. 0.98
00:53:08.000 The next click, this is exactly what fucking happened that night. 0.98
00:53:11.000 Like, I'm not crazy. 0.98
00:53:13.000 The world is for not believing.
00:53:14.000 And then she, it was like a month later.
00:53:16.000 She ran over somebody with her car.
00:53:18.000 I remember that.
00:53:18.000 Oh, yeah.
00:53:19.000 Wasn't she pushing for 10 years for you? 0.99
00:53:21.000 And the only reason you got two was because, what's his name, the Japanese guy, recorded her saying that she wants you to run?
00:53:29.000 Chejirachi is an Iranian name.
00:53:31.000 But what happened was they originally had a, this was back when you could get good time, but they had felonies that were called Measure 11 where you got no time off.
00:53:40.000 And these were automatic.
00:53:41.000 First offense, seven years mandatory.
00:53:44.000 So they originally had a grand jury.
00:53:45.000 I was supposed to do seven years.
00:53:47.000 When does this happen?
00:53:48.000 They wanted me so bad because I was a high-profile pariah in Portland.
00:53:53.000 Three months later, because usually they stack up charges and then plead down.
00:53:58.000 They threw out the original grand jury, held a second one, and I was facing 25 years.
00:54:04.000 Wow.
00:54:05.000 Day for day.
00:54:06.000 Day for day.
00:54:08.000 And you start thinking, in whose psychotic mind is this justice?
00:54:12.000 She had a black eye for a week. 0.97
00:54:13.000 And that's suffering, but me being in a cage, my life, that's not...
00:54:20.000 I had this quirk. 0.77
00:54:21.000 As much of a hate monger, monster as I'm supposed to be.
00:54:26.000 I think I see everyone as human more than almost anyone does. 0.94
00:54:30.000 I can see redeeming things in serial killers and stuff.
00:54:34.000 I thought putting her behind bars was too much.
00:54:37.000 Just leave me alone. 0.97
00:54:39.000 She didn't suffer from that kind of retarded mercy that I have. 1.00
00:54:44.000 But unless you've actually been incarcerated, it was Iceberg Slim.
00:54:47.000 I interviewed him and answered me number one. 0.87
00:54:49.000 Black Pimp, IQ of 175. 1.00
00:54:53.000 He said if he was like president, the one thing he would do is make everyone spend a year in jail. 0.97
00:54:57.000 Society would change overnight.
00:54:59.000 Because you see the dark side.
00:55:00.000 You see, oh, actually, it's not justice.
00:55:02.000 They're just the biggest gang. 1.00
00:55:04.000 And they can fuck with you harder than any Crip or any blood or any Antifa. 1.00
00:55:09.000 Yeah, there you go. 1.00
00:55:10.000 I went to this place, Eastern State Penitentiary in Pennsylvania.
00:55:14.000 Oh, there's a Craterford.
00:55:16.000 Yeah, it's the one that has like the, they invented this whole sort of windmill design where you can see everyone from the center.
00:55:24.000 And they would only usually, the toughest sentence was five years.
00:55:29.000 That's a guy who murdered his family.
00:55:31.000 And you were alone in your cell, which was not small.
00:55:33.000 It was like 20 feet by 20 feet.
00:55:35.000 Then you had another little back area.
00:55:37.000 You went through a little hole.
00:55:38.000 That area was like 10 feet by 10 feet, and you could see the sun.
00:55:42.000 And they give you the Bible, and they teach you a trade.
00:55:45.000 And the crazy part is, we don't know what the recidivism rate was because they respected these guys so much, they didn't keep any files.
00:55:55.000 So they just would burn it, and you were never in jail after.
00:55:59.000 But I think it was a success.
00:56:02.000 This just occurred to me.
00:56:03.000 In Ship Magna 2, I write about this.
00:56:04.000 By third grade, I got a reputation among the nuns and the teachers.
00:56:08.000 I was a bad person.
00:56:10.000 And they always treated me like a troublemaker.
00:56:13.000 But there was a substitute teacher, looked like Betty White from Mary Tyler Moore era. 1.00
00:56:18.000 She would come in and teach sometimes, and she always treated me nice and calling me.
00:56:21.000 And I never misbehaved.
00:56:24.000 And what I flashed forward to is they used to have this scared straight group come through the prison.
00:56:28.000 No one in prison acted like animals.
00:56:30.000 I mean, they farted and were loud.
00:56:33.000 But we're not barbaric.
00:56:34.000 But I remember every time they'd bring these kids through, we'd act like animals.
00:56:39.000 Because, hey, that's what you expect.
00:56:40.000 Like, we'd leer at them and try to scare them and everything.
00:56:42.000 Right, right.
00:56:43.000 It's like, if you're going to expect that of us, then we'll act that way anyway.
00:56:46.000 But you've got to think what you do to somebody's mind treating that way year after year after year.
00:56:50.000 Like I said, if you have a very weak person, okay, you've broken them.
00:56:54.000 But if you have anybody who has any kind of spine, they're going to come out wanting to kill. 0.64
00:56:58.000 Yeah, I think they're going to turn Proud Boys into a gang.
00:57:03.000 Like these guys are going to be in prison, which is crime school.
00:57:06.000 And we have tenants.
00:57:08.000 There's like a guidebook there.
00:57:09.000 So the next thing you know, there's going to be this Proud Boys gang.
00:57:12.000 And it might end up becoming a hate group.
00:57:14.000 I don't know.
00:57:15.000 Right.
00:57:16.000 I checked the demographics before we went on.
00:57:18.000 Oregon, and this was from 2016.
00:57:21.000 I was there like 1999.
00:57:23.000 Oregon is 75% white in the prisons.
00:57:27.000 New York is 75% non-white.
00:57:31.000 So you think they're going to get 25% white, 25% Hispanic, and 50% black.
00:57:39.000 Maybe the blacks rule the New York system enough to where there's somewhat of peace. 1.00
00:57:45.000 Oregon was so overwhelmingly white, there was peace. 1.00
00:57:49.000 Because you knew if you attacked a Peckerwood, you'd have a thousand of them on your ass. 1.00
00:57:54.000 Pecker would be a bit of a powerful. 0.99
00:57:56.000 When the stats are weird, where it's like, well, it's a third, this, a third, that.
00:57:59.000 That's when there's conflict.
00:58:01.000 But I'll bet that the guards, hey, hey, guys, look at these Nazis we just threw in here. 0.77
00:58:07.000 Yeah, I would advise those guys to PC protective custody up immediately because they're going to be targeted real quick.
00:58:14.000 Jesus Christ.
00:58:15.000 Well, what can we do to make Rape, how prevalent is that?
00:58:21.000 Is that as much as we see in the movies?
00:58:24.000 This is the thing.
00:58:25.000 Like, I interviewed Donny the Punk for Answer Me No.
00:58:28.000 4, who eventually died of AIDS.
00:58:29.000 He was raped 65 times the first weekend in D.C. County Jail in the early 70s.
00:58:35.000 He was a Quaker.
00:58:36.000 He protested the Vietnam War on the White House law and got a $10 fine. 1.00
00:58:40.000 And because he was a Quaker, it was immoral to pay an unjust, they threw him in D.C. County Jail and his ass was up and down the block, raped like into oblivion. 0.98
00:58:51.000 I was in for two and a half years, nine months in county jail, a year in a minimum, and then like another nine months at the penitentiary. 0.99
00:58:59.000 I never even heard of one rape happening. 0.99
00:59:03.000 And people are like, oh, get the fuck out of here. 0.97
00:59:05.000 And it's like, well, I think there's a couple reasons. 1.00
00:59:08.000 One is that there was, usually it's been statistically in other states, it's whites getting raped as some kind of racial revenge, where whites are severely outnumbered. 0.92
00:59:17.000 That wasn't the case in Oregon.
00:59:18.000 The other thing, too, is when I was in, there were 10 times as many inmates in America than there were 30 years prior.
00:59:26.000 They started arresting everybody and throwing everyone in jail.
00:59:29.000 30 years prior, you were dealing with murderers and rapists.
00:59:33.000 And so maybe it was a much less intense and hard population.
00:59:37.000 The other thing, people started suing.
00:59:40.000 So you talk about that Greater Ford where you can, it was Inverness Jail.
00:59:43.000 I write about this in the headache factory in Oregon, in Portland.
00:59:47.000 It was this dorm, 55 beds, but it was set up so everyone, unless you were in the shower where they could see your feet, everyone could see you at every minute of every day.
01:00:00.000 There was no privacy.
01:00:03.000 But that's good, isn't it?
01:00:05.000 I mean, for the purpose kind of insane.
01:00:08.000 Yeah, but did it prevent rapes?
01:00:11.000 Probably prevented rapes. 1.00
01:00:12.000 I'd rather be insane than rapes.
01:00:13.000 People started suing for that sort of thing, too.
01:00:16.000 Yeah, so I think that's what stopped it probably, is lawsuits more than anything.
01:00:19.000 Okay, that brings me to my last question.
01:00:21.000 As an outsider, what can we do?
01:00:24.000 Like, do visits really boost your spirit?
01:00:27.000 Paying for the commissary?
01:00:29.000 Those all big deals?
01:00:30.000 You know, it's the most depressing thing in prison when about 4 p.m.
01:00:35.000 You would watch the guard with the mail in his hand walk by and just go right past your cell.
01:00:40.000 4 p.m. on a Friday.
01:00:42.000 Because you knew you were not going to have any contact with the outside world until Monday at the very earliest.
01:00:48.000 It keeps you sane.
01:00:50.000 And I don't know how it works in New York, but like there are people, Ted Jirachi is one of them.
01:00:55.000 I think it was like $30 per half hour collect phone call.
01:00:59.000 That guy probably shelled out at least $10,000 worth of phone calls.
01:01:03.000 My panicked and took them, never reminded me.
01:01:07.000 But that kind of contact with the outside is the only thing that probably kept me from completely losing it.
01:01:12.000 Yeah, so it means the world.
01:01:14.000 Even put $10 on their books so they can get some pencils and shampoo and combs and whatever.
01:01:21.000 Yeah, I would imagine that's twofold.
01:01:22.000 Because one, I have money for pencils and shampoo.
01:01:24.000 And two, I just got a gesture from the outside world that I matter and someone cares about me.
01:01:30.000 Oh, hell yeah.
01:01:31.000 Yeah.
01:01:31.000 Because I mean, there are some guys, again, I think incarceration is too much punishment for just about anything short of murder or rape.
01:01:41.000 One day, maybe a thousand years from now, when we understand enough about neurology to understand why people commit crimes, I found out, I'm sure I've told you this before, I had that brain tumor.
01:01:51.000 It was growing when the crime happened.
01:01:54.000 If I had known about that, I never would have gone to jail.
01:01:57.000 If they had just known I'm epileptic, my lawyer told me, three months after I get sentenced, I'm in prison.
01:02:02.000 I call my lawyer.
01:02:03.000 I somehow came up I'm epileptic.
01:02:05.000 She's like, why didn't you tell me that?
01:02:06.000 I'm like, why would I have told you?
01:02:07.000 She's like, I could have gotten you off on that alone.
01:02:09.000 I think we've got to stop being all medieval and good and evil.
01:02:14.000 Nietzsche said, beware of those whose urge to punish is strong. 0.98
01:02:18.000 That's what fucked me over. 0.99
01:02:19.000 This girl kept attacking me. 1.00
01:02:20.000 It's like, I don't want to punish you. 0.94
01:02:22.000 Just go away. 0.98
01:02:24.000 A lot of people have no mercy and just want you tortured forever. 0.79
01:02:28.000 And it's like, well, don't be surprised if some of these people come out psychotic.
01:02:35.000 I mean, once you deny them their humanity, what's to gain with them acting human?
01:02:40.000 Yeah.
01:02:42.000 Well, edifying disposition.
01:02:44.000 And what happened in D.C. after the inauguration?
01:02:46.000 240 Antifa got arrested for rioting and they all got dropped.
01:02:49.000 Every one of their charges.
01:02:50.000 All charges always get.
01:02:51.000 The guy who beat Rand Paul got 30 days in jail.
01:02:54.000 He broke his ribs on the guy's property.
01:02:57.000 The bike lock professor got off with probation. 0.90
01:03:00.000 The Antifa that same night at my talk beat the shit out of a journalist, took his equipment, all probation, no charges, no media attention, nothing. 0.57
01:03:07.000 Free lawyers. 0.98
01:03:09.000 I hope one day they have robots dispensing justice.
01:03:12.000 Where it's like Germany, where if there's evidence, you've got to do it. 0.94
01:03:15.000 Your prejudices about who they are and what they think have nothing to do with it.
01:03:19.000 Maybe in the Terminator version of the world, we'd be better off.
01:03:24.000 I think so, because there's too much bias. 0.98
01:03:26.000 Guys obviously got fucked over because it was New York State. 0.97
01:03:30.000 If this has happened in Alabama, they might have gone to jail. 0.99
01:03:35.000 Who the hell knows?
01:03:36.000 But it shouldn't have any bearing.
01:03:38.000 If you're going to treat people equally, assault should be assault no matter if it's a communist or a Nazi or a Western chauvinist or a Boy Scout doing it. 0.68
01:03:47.000 It's the same crime.
01:03:48.000 Yeah, that's why the whole idea of hate crimes and enhancements based on what's in somebody's head is despicable.
01:03:55.000 I was going to say sinister, but that's getting into voodoo. 0.99
01:04:00.000 That's where we're at.
01:04:01.000 Jim, thanks for coming on the show.
01:04:03.000 Always interesting.
01:04:04.000 Yes, sir.
01:04:05.000 Take care.
01:04:05.000 That's what tortures me.
01:04:07.000 Take care.
01:04:13.000 Proud Boys did nothing wrong. 1.00
01:04:17.000 After weeks of terror, after a night of bullshit, when Antifa was outside of my talk screaming at people, harassing, calling the old woman who run the Manhattan Republican Club and telling they're going to rape her and stab her in the cunt. 1.00
01:04:33.000 Regularly using the word cunt, by the way, to this beautiful, nice, sweet old lady. 1.00
01:04:39.000 Vandalizing the event, threatening letters. 1.00
01:04:41.000 The entire left, the DNC, condoning violence on a regular basis, threatened to kill our president.
01:04:47.000 They're still doing it right now. 0.92
01:04:48.000 Tom Arnold just said he's going to JFK him. 0.58
01:04:51.000 And CNN saying the only way you can stop Trump is with a bullet.
01:04:54.000 It's mainstream to condone violence.
01:04:57.000 Violence against the right is mainstream.
01:05:01.000 So one day, two guys fought back, and now they're going to prison.
01:05:05.000 So I guess the solution is: well, don't fight back.
01:05:08.000 Just cower and hide, and don't speak your mind, and don't defend the president, and don't defend the West.
01:05:13.000 Just let the left dominate. 0.98
01:05:15.000 Let the DNC control you, or else you're in big trouble, right?
01:05:20.000 No, that's not the solution.
01:05:21.000 The solution is to keep fighting, to get fired, to get in trouble, to be brave, and never stop fighting.
01:05:29.000 Max and John, this is only the beginning. 0.79
01:05:32.000 We are going to push for an appeal starting right fucking now. 0.81
01:05:36.000 I bet I'd move it on a little farther down the line, far from Folsom Bridge. 0.97