Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - S4E86 - THE STORY OF THE CLASH

00:01:00.000 That was the card cheat from this album, London Calling.

00:01:04.000 Welcome to International Clash Day here at Get Off My Lawn.

00:01:11.000 We're going to be talking about the history of the clash and the singer of the clash, Joe Strummer, who I would consider a friend.

00:01:18.000 That song, it's got this line, from the Hundred Year War to the Crimea.

00:01:26.000 And it's, I think Mick Jones put it together.

00:01:30.000 I don't know who wrote the lyrics, though.

00:01:33.000 I bet Strummer wrote the lyrics.

00:01:35.000 Strummer was an overeducated aristocrat who was a socialist.

00:01:39.000 So it's strange that I would consider him a pal.

00:01:42.000 But that was the good old days.

00:01:45.000 You could be friends with people that you thought were different.

00:01:48.000 Strummer lost his brother when he was about 20.

00:01:51.000 His brother committed suicide.

00:01:53.000 And his brother was way too right-wing for me.

00:01:58.000 He was a National Front Nazi.

00:02:00.000 But I think Strummer liked me because I reminded him of his brother.

00:02:06.000 I was born almost the day his brother died, killed himself.

00:02:09.000 So maybe I am his brother.

00:02:13.000 Maybe his spirit is in me.

00:02:14.000 Because when we first met, it was this incredible bond.

00:02:18.000 We just were instantly best friends.

00:02:20.000 I've only experienced this with relatives.

00:02:22.000 Like, I hadn't seen my cousin in like 10 years, and it was just zhump. 0.98

00:02:27.000 We just shumped right back into our normal buddy selves.

00:02:32.000 It was like we hadn't missed a day.

00:02:34.000 And I found out that he was a big mod since I last saw him.

00:02:37.000 And we had shopped at the same mod shop on Kings Road.

00:02:41.000 I think it's called Mod Rafinia or something.

00:02:43.000 Anyway, so we'll get to all that.

00:02:46.000 But when I saw, like, that song is so dramatic and beautiful and sad.

00:02:51.000 And it seems to be about all the men that have died in the world that we don't pay homage to.

00:02:57.000 And in this day and age, we don't just not pay homage to them.

00:03:00.000 We resent them.

00:03:01.000 You could be president of the United States.

00:03:04.000 And in this day and age, you're called a dead president, right? 0.98

00:03:07.000 These history books are all just full of dead white men. 0.96

00:03:11.000 Remember that African guy who was in the Glasgow Portrait Museum?

00:03:15.000 And he's African, but he's Scottish, and he's just like, when I look around, I see all of these white men who I don't identify with.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, okay.

00:03:26.000 I'm guessing if I go to the Nigerian Museum of Portraits, I'm not exactly going to be drowning in gavs.

00:03:34.000 So I think that's a beautiful song from a beautiful time and a beautiful moment in The Clash's life.

00:03:41.000 In this episode, obviously I want it to be for people who don't like The Clash.

00:03:45.000 That's sort of always been my motto with any content is make sure, make my mom want to read it.

00:03:51.000 But I think the story of The Clash is really interesting because it's sort of like Glenn Beck's book, Miracles and Massacres, where they fucked up by trusting authority.

00:04:04.000 And what Glenn Beck does in that fantastic book, it's in my top 10, you really got to read it, Miracles and Massacres.

00:04:10.000 He talks about how the good guys always win.

00:04:15.000 And the only time the good guys lose is when the good guys lose faith in themselves and they let the bad guys win.

00:04:21.000 And he talks about, was it Trail of Tears?

00:04:24.000 What was the one where they shot all the Indians in the back?

00:04:27.000 So that's one of our worst moments, obviously.

00:04:30.000 And Beck points out, yeah, really, really bad. 0.99

00:04:34.000 But he goes, that happened because the top brass, the authority, you know, fuck the police's boss. 0.99

00:04:41.000 The police's boss showed up. 0.99

00:04:43.000 And they were transporting Indians to a POW camp, which is fine. 1.00

00:04:46.000 We were at war with them.

00:04:47.000 Normal war procedures. 0.50

00:04:49.000 But back then, your gun was everything.

00:04:51.000 It was like your house and your car and your job all in one stick.

00:04:56.000 You needed it for food.

00:04:57.000 You needed it for everything.

00:04:58.000 You needed it to protect yourself.

00:05:00.000 So it wasn't that weird to let the POWs keep their guns.

00:05:06.000 So they're taking these prisoners to the thing, but the prisoners keep their own guns.

00:05:10.000 What if a bear jumps out at them or something?

00:05:12.000 And then the bosses, the sergeants, the lieutenants, the captains show up and they say, what are you doing?

00:05:17.000 Why are you letting those Indians have guns? 1.00

00:05:19.000 And they go, it's just working, boss.

00:05:22.000 Can we not rock the boat here?

00:05:24.000 They go, no, go confiscate all their guns. 0.95

00:05:26.000 And just like the NYPD in New York City right now, arresting kids for fucking not being vaxed, throwing people in jail for not being tyrannical enough, that's what they did. 0.96

00:05:36.000 They started taking all the guns. 1.00

00:05:37.000 And the Indians said, no, fuck that. 1.00

00:05:39.000 And the top brass created a problem where there wasn't one. 1.00

00:05:42.000 And that's what happened with the clash.

00:05:45.000 They let their manager destroy the band and destroy the friendship between Mick Jones and Joe Strummer, which almost killed him, that betrayal.

00:05:56.000 He was so ashamed of himself.

00:05:57.000 And another angle with all this, too, is betrayal itself, loyalty.

00:06:03.000 There's a strange thing with us middle-class types where we're more likely to just turf everyone.

00:06:12.000 You're all X'd. 1.00

00:06:13.000 And it's a way a man evolves, or at least a middle-class man.

00:06:16.000 I want to make sure you can see all the cool pins.

00:06:19.000 But it's not really a blue-collar thing.

00:06:23.000 Blue-collar guys are more parochial.

00:06:26.000 They're more loyal.

00:06:27.000 They don't move from their neighborhoods.

00:06:29.000 They end up living down the street from where they grew up.

00:06:32.000 Middle class are much more mobile, much less sedentary. 0.91

00:06:36.000 And like with the Beastie Boys, they were happy to just stab the fat chick in the back and become a guy band.

00:06:46.000 It was what's, and it turned out pretty good for them.

00:06:49.000 And with Joe Strummer, he was like a rock folk guy who was in a rockabilly, folky hippie band.

00:06:57.000 His biggest inspiration is Captain Beefheart, which we've argued about before. 0.99

00:07:02.000 He fucking sucks, even worse than Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart. 0.99

00:07:06.000 But then Bernie Rhodes was discovering punk and he had put the sex pistols together and he's like, you need to, Mick Jones and Joe, you guys need to can the 101ers. 1.00

00:07:16.000 Mick Jones was in a band called London SS.

00:07:19.000 Mick Jones is Jewish and the SS was the Nazi symbol.

00:07:22.000 We used to have a sense of humor about stuff.

00:07:26.000 And he was a real progenitor of punk.

00:07:28.000 Everyone says it was Malcolm McLaren, but Bernie Rhodes was a huge influence.

00:07:31.000 But that doesn't mean he's your daddy.

00:07:33.000 And being fatherless, Joe Strummer listened to him too much and convinced him to kick Mick Jones out of the band and that was the end of the band. 0.58

00:07:43.000 And then they did Cut the Crap, which is considered one of the worst albums of all time.

00:07:47.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:07:48.000 I fucking love it. 0.94

00:07:50.000 Speaking of the BC Boys, we have this Clash box. 0.97

00:07:53.000 I've never even opened this before.

00:07:55.000 This boom box thing.

00:07:58.000 Let me.

00:08:02.000 How do I get it out of here? 1.00

00:08:08.000 This is for those people that are just addicted to buying shit. 0.98

00:08:11.000 Because the Clash only have like six or seven albums. 0.99

00:08:15.000 So they want us to keep marketing.

00:08:16.000 So now it's every C D in a boom box.

00:08:21.000 A double CD, which doesn't make any sense.

00:08:24.000 Oh, my CD ran out of room.

00:08:26.000 I need another CD in there.

00:08:28.000 Sandinista will be discussing.

00:08:31.000 I don't like this album.

00:08:32.000 I never really listened to it.

00:08:33.000 Oh, no, I did.

00:08:34.000 I did have a Sandinista phase.

00:08:35.000 I remember texting Pat and Oswalt and saying, dude, I'm giving Sandinista a chance.

00:08:41.000 You should listen to it.

00:08:42.000 It takes a few tries, but it's really good.

00:08:44.000 And he responded, ew, no.

00:08:48.000 That's back when he was funny.

00:08:50.000 You know, speaking of this Sandinista thing, I did like it for a while and then I lost the ability to like it.

00:08:57.000 But when I was young, you had so little access to music that sometimes you just listened to the album that you had because it was the album you had.

00:09:07.000 For example, I won, we did an Airband competition in like junior high, and our band won. 0.96

00:09:14.000 And one of the prizes was some random records no one gave a shit about. 0.99

00:09:17.000 And I got Mondo Bongo by the Boomtown Rats, which if you just dropped it out of the sky right now, you'd go, this sucks, this is garbage. 0.98

00:09:26.000 But it was the only record I had back then. 0.88

00:09:28.000 I just got a new record.

00:09:29.000 I got my first record player.

00:09:30.000 So I listened to Mondo Bongo 7 million times, and now I love it to this day.

00:09:37.000 So how much of our love of music is based on repetition?

00:09:41.000 Like GBH, that band I made myself like because they looked cool and I wanted to be the kind of punk who likes GBH. 0.98

00:09:48.000 They're a shitty band.

00:09:51.000 Discharge, another band, very hard to listen to, but I made myself like them through repetition and now I love them. 0.98

00:09:57.000 And there's a great book called The Hitmen where they pay DJs to put these singles on heavy rotation.

00:10:03.000 And eventually people start loving the song. 0.99

00:10:06.000 So obviously there's terrible songs that suck shit and there's great songs that are good. 0.99

00:10:11.000 But in that gray area, there's definitely a huge influence you have with repetition. 1.00

00:10:16.000 So you can make yourself like shit. 1.00

00:10:18.000 And it's a challenge to make yourself like that. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:22.000 Look, we've got a giant cigarette in here.

00:10:30.000 Cute.

00:10:32.000 And some pins and some old zines and some stickers.

00:10:39.000 All right, let's start the show.

00:10:43.000 So I just want to sort of go through their history and bring it back to the concept of groups.

00:10:54.000 Not necessarily bands.

00:10:55.000 This happens in businesses.

00:10:56.000 I mean, what I went through with Vice was somewhat similar to what happened with Mick Jones and the Clash.

00:11:03.000 We became incompatible, and no one's sure who kicked who out.

00:11:10.000 And it'll happen to you if you're a young man.

00:11:12.000 Actually, if you're any age, like my 13-year-old, last year there was a huge split in his crew and he got turfed and was persona non grata.

00:11:21.000 I think it's because the main guy or one of the top alphas in the pack liked a girl and the girl liked my son.

00:11:29.000 And so he was punished.

00:11:30.000 That happened to me too in high school.

00:11:32.000 Dave LeBerge liked this girl, Tammy Curry. 1.00

00:11:35.000 Dave LeBerge was a fat fucking loser who ate cereal for dinner. 1.00

00:11:38.000 Of course he's going to be attracted to me. 1.00

00:11:40.000 I was breathtakingly gorgeous in 1983.

00:11:44.000 So then he started a coup in our gang, our crew, and I was all alone.

00:11:51.000 So I had to rebuild a crew.

00:11:54.000 This is like starting a new band from scratch and get the McCarthy twins and a bunch of other guys together.

00:11:59.000 And the next thing you know, my crew was better than the Dave LeBerg's crew.

00:12:03.000 So there was Exodus from his crew over to my new crew.

00:12:09.000 A crew crew.

00:12:10.000 There was a crew cube.

00:12:12.000 People think I'm cuckoo when I talk about these crew cuz, but they happen.

00:12:15.000 And it happens in business.

00:12:17.000 It's funny because it's the kind of thing that happens to you when you're 12, but it happens to you in business all the time.

00:12:22.000 You start a new company, a new startup, and then the people from that company want to come over.

00:12:28.000 So the story of the clash is the story of your life, is what I'm saying.

00:12:32.000 That's a good title.

00:12:37.000 So yeah.

00:12:39.000 The 60s was a cold time, especially in Britain, where they had just survived a world war, everyone was dead, and people were just heartless.

00:12:49.000 I mean, it was the same here.

00:12:50.000 Here in New York City, you had that orphanage where they took identical twins, including triplets, identical triplets.

00:12:58.000 Well, of course, you can't Have heterogeneous triplets, can you?

00:13:04.000 But anyway, they wanted to do experiments on nature versus nurture, which is a noble cause, but not a noble system, where they would take the three twins.

00:13:13.000 There's a movie about this, a documentary.

00:13:15.000 I forget what it's called.

00:13:17.000 We're all the same or something.

00:13:18.000 But they took this guy.

00:13:20.000 They all should have been kept together, but they took this guy and they put him with a rich family.

00:13:25.000 They put this guy, they put him with a poor family, with a very loving mother.

00:13:29.000 And then they took this guy and they put him with a normal middle-class family, but the dad was a workaholic and he was never around.

00:13:37.000 And then they checked in on them every few years and didn't tell a soul. 0.99

00:13:40.000 So that's like eugenic shit. 1.00

00:13:42.000 That's Nazi stuff. 1.00

00:13:44.000 And though we fought the Nazis, we were sort of behaving like them in many ways in this sort of cold, rational, inhuman way. 0.77

00:13:54.000 I mean, maybe Hitler changed the global culture for a while because we were not sweethearts, especially the British upper class, which is what Joe Strummer was.

00:14:05.000 Joe Strummer was the son of a diplomat who his dad was in India with the railroads over there.

00:14:13.000 He was born in India.

00:14:14.000 His mother was Scottish, which might be part of our bond.

00:14:18.000 And he was sent away to private school, a boarding school at the age of 10.

00:14:25.000 And after that, it's sort of like China.

00:14:27.000 You only see your kids once a year. 0.99

00:14:30.000 And this is why I always say China sucks, because there's no love in a country where you only see your kids once a year. 1.00

00:14:35.000 All that matters is kids. 0.99

00:14:38.000 And we'll get to that at the end of this.

00:14:41.000 His beautiful children, Lolo and Jazz.

00:14:44.000 Is it Lolo or Lola?

00:14:47.000 His two sweet daughters.

00:14:52.000 I can't remember.

00:14:54.000 And so he was essentially an orphan.

00:14:58.000 And Bernie Rhodes was an orphan, too.

00:15:00.000 He was literally an orphan.

00:15:01.000 Bernie Rhodes grew up in a Jewish orphanage.

00:15:03.000 I'm not sure why you'd have a Jewish orphanage. 1.00

00:15:05.000 That sounds weird. 0.99

00:15:06.000 And don't make this thing, this shit about Judaism, please. 1.00

00:15:09.000 Yes, Bernie was a ruthless manager that fucked everyone over in the end. 1.00

00:15:14.000 But Mick Jones was a Jew too, and he was a victim. 1.00

00:15:17.000 And back then, no one gave a shit. 0.98

00:15:20.000 I hate this rewriting of history where there's a documentary about polystyrene of X-ray specs coming out, and you know it's going to be all about her blackness and how she was Ethiopian. 0.99

00:15:29.000 No one noticed that she was black. 0.72

00:15:31.000 No one noticed Don Letz was black, the guy we just saw.

00:15:34.000 There they are.

00:15:35.000 And no one noticed that Mick Jones was Jewish.

00:15:38.000 It wasn't a thing. 1.00

00:15:38.000 He was in a fucking band called London SS, for fuck's sake. 1.00

00:15:43.000 So, yeah, he went to a private school, boarding school. 1.00

00:15:48.000 He's upper class.

00:15:49.000 And the problem with that is, when you're upper class, you tour the world.

00:15:54.000 You know, you're visiting your dad in India.

00:15:56.000 You're off to the Crimea.

00:15:58.000 You're getting incredibly educated.

00:16:00.000 The Hundred Year War.

00:16:00.000 That's why their lyrics are so dense.

00:16:02.000 Like Sandinista. 0.99

00:16:03.000 Who the fuck knows what Sandinistas are? 0.99

00:16:05.000 Aren't they like Nicaraguan freedom fighters or something? 0.99

00:16:08.000 We got to know about that war.

00:16:09.000 And he's talking about the Hundred Year War.

00:16:11.000 That was in like the million years ago. 0.99

00:16:13.000 That was Ottoman Empire shit. 0.99

00:16:15.000 Crimea. 1.00

00:16:16.000 But he's so well educated that it crams into those songs.

00:16:19.000 But the problem with rich people, and this is why they're socialists, is because as they travel, they get only the cream of the crop.

00:16:28.000 So say they go to China.

00:16:30.000 They don't go to some disgusting rural village where there's no electricity and people put their mattresses out on the road because they heat up with the sun and they might be warm that night and they work 15-hour days in inhumane conditions and are whisked away to prison for speaking against the president,

00:16:50.000 all kinds of torture and genocide.

00:16:52.000 They're not exposed to that.

00:16:53.000 You go to Singapore.

00:16:55.000 You go to Shanghai.

00:16:56.000 You have a delicious meal.

00:16:57.000 You see some cool, like, 30,000-year-old instrument playing.

00:17:08.000 And you go, I love China.

00:17:10.000 Communism works.

00:17:11.000 And then you could, even you go to Venezuela.

00:17:14.000 You only see the cream of the crop.

00:17:15.000 I'm convinced Glasgow was deemed the city of culture because whoever the judge was just landed at that one little student area with the cobblestone streets and didn't go to the Gorbels or East or Shaolin's or Pollock Shaws and saw the grime and the soot.

00:17:31.000 So you get this pro-multicultural thing where you end up with cultural relativism and you go, all of the world is beautiful.

00:17:40.000 No, Joe.

00:17:41.000 God rest his soul.

00:17:44.000 I don't want to disparage the dead here.

00:17:45.000 But no, Joe. 0.98

00:17:47.000 When you're in America, that tiny little area of wealth is fucking huge. 0.99

00:17:53.000 Like, go check in on illegal aliens in California. 0.98

00:17:56.000 You know where they are this weekend?

00:17:58.000 They're riding, their kids are riding ATVs at a race.

00:18:02.000 They're racing ATVs.

00:18:04.000 And they're camping in their RV that weekend to watch the races.

00:18:08.000 They're all doing really well.

00:18:11.000 So the point is every country in the world has their elites.

00:18:16.000 They're rich.

00:18:17.000 Our poor are basically elite.

00:18:19.000 I mean, what's our biggest problem in America?

00:18:20.000 Our poor eat too much.

00:18:22.000 So the reason that the West is better than the East, better than Russia and China and all these other places, is that we have more wealth, more freedom, more joy.

00:18:31.000 You think we're all the same because you're rich and you only check out the nicest parts of all these places.

00:18:38.000 Yes, Bosnia has the most beautiful beaches in the world. 0.99

00:18:41.000 It also has a fucking civil war where Milosevic was playing soccer with human heads. 1.00

00:18:50.000 It sucks there, man. 1.00

00:18:55.000 And the strange part is, too, when punk began, the sex pistols were just like, nah. 0.99

00:19:00.000 I talked to a kid, not a kid, a man who was a kid back then.

00:19:04.000 He said, yeah, you don't know what it was like, man.

00:19:06.000 I mean, the Clash were just a band.

00:19:08.000 And people went, yeah, they're cool.

00:19:10.000 But when we were kids, we were genuinely scared of the Sex Pistols.

00:19:14.000 Like, we thought Johnny Ralton was going to come out from under the bed and bite our legs.

00:19:20.000 So because the Sex Pistols were just the villains, they were like the slayer of the scene, the evil monsters, the Clash had to be the voice of punk.

00:19:29.000 They were called the only Band that mattered.

00:19:31.000 And because of Joe's politics and his dense knowledge of history, he had a lot to say.

00:19:37.000 And so they became the voice of punk, really.

00:19:40.000 And that voice was typical rich stuff. 0.99

00:19:43.000 It was all about rock against racism and how we have to fight against fascism and shit like that, which is as ridiculous back then as it is now. 0.99

00:19:57.000 I was more of a crass guy. 0.99

00:19:58.000 Crass used to make fun of them.

00:20:00.000 In fact, there's a song.

00:20:02.000 Oh, they went on the White Riot Tour in 1977.

00:20:05.000 Actually, White Riot was pretty based.

00:20:07.000 That was their first single in 77.

00:20:11.000 And Mick didn't like it.

00:20:13.000 He thought it was too violent.

00:20:14.000 But basically what Joe Strummer was saying, and it's something I say all the time, is where's the white riots?

00:20:21.000 There's plenty of black riots, but why aren't whites getting mad? 0.68

00:20:25.000 You know? 0.98

00:20:26.000 And I feel that way about like that commercial we watched with Kumia last week where the guy's sipping coffee and he goes in the white guy's face.

00:20:35.000 We should get mad about that. 0.78

00:20:37.000 There's plenty of riots when a loser like George Floyd dies, but how many young girls have been murdered by decrepit monsters and we don't go near it because we don't want to be offensive. 0.93

00:20:47.000 Even that whole trans rally that we had a couple years ago by the Brooklyn Museum and there was like, it looked like 100,000 people really. 0.98

00:20:56.000 Wouldn't it be cool if you had the guys who killed the trans people? 1.00

00:20:59.000 Because they're all black gangsters. 1.00

00:21:01.000 So you were like, this guy killed a tranny. 0.99

00:21:03.000 People would beat you up and take your sign, basically. 0.83

00:21:06.000 So we need more truth in that. 0.95

00:21:07.000 We need more white riots. 0.97

00:21:10.000 And of all races, like everyone should be outraged about these girls being killed. 0.99

00:21:16.000 Like the girl who was stabbed in the park, who went to go buy weed, and they put her in the headlock and stabbed her to death.

00:21:22.000 That's way more intense than George Floyd, way more racial. 0.68

00:21:26.000 And whites just went... 0.58

00:21:28.000 Or what about Asians? 0.99

00:21:30.000 Let's have an Asian riot with all of these attacks on Asians. 0.99

00:21:34.000 I'm obviously not saying go attack blacks. 0.99

00:21:37.000 I'm just saying that black people seem to be the only ones that can express their anger. 1.00

00:21:42.000 And every other race just has to look at the ground and go, yeah, I kind of had it coming. 1.00

00:21:46.000 I mean, I did support slavery. 0.99

00:21:48.000 But what are the lyrics to White Riot? 0.87

00:21:51.000 There's a line in it where he goes, black man got a lot of problems, but they don't mind throwing a brick. 1.00

00:21:56.000 White people go to school where they teach you how to be real thick. 1.00

00:22:03.000 I can't hear it. 0.96

00:22:09.000 See, this was a super raw album.

00:22:13.000 Just the three of them there.

00:22:14.000 The drummer, Terry Chimes, had left.

00:22:17.000 And so in the credits, they call him Tory Crimes.

00:22:20.000 He wasn't into the political stuff.

00:22:22.000 I don't think any of them were.

00:22:23.000 Paul Simon in there in the front, he was just into being a gorgeous babe. 1.00

00:22:26.000 Mick Jones was just a great songwriter.

00:22:28.000 And then Joe Strummer had this agenda, this socialist agenda, where he wanted to make the world get well.

00:22:33.000 Who knows? 0.99

00:22:34.000 Maybe he's behind all this Antifa shit culturally. 0.99

00:22:37.000 I talked to Billy Bragg once, the folk singer, and he said that he was just doing love songs before he heard the clash. 1.00

00:22:44.000 The fuck was that? 0.99

00:22:48.000 Hey, FBI, you got to develop your technology here. 1.00

00:22:52.000 Every time I say one of your code words, I get some kind of a message from my phone or my Alexa.

00:23:01.000 This is from 1999 when I met him.

00:23:05.000 First time we met. 0.90

00:23:06.000 I sound like a homo right now. 0.85

00:23:08.000 And he told me a story about this. 0.98

00:23:10.000 So this was in some, I don't know, fucking alleyway in Shepherd's Bush where they recorded this first album, this super raw album with White Riot on it. 0.73

00:23:18.000 And he was with his daughters, Lola and Jazz. 0.94

00:23:22.000 And his 99, it would have been his girlfriend. 0.65

00:23:27.000 He couldn't marry the mother of his children because he got paid 100 pounds to marry some South African because she wanted citizenship.

00:23:35.000 And then when it was time to really marry her, what was her name, Gabby?

00:23:38.000 When it was time to really marry Gabby, yeah, I put a picture of her in the emails.

00:23:43.000 Gabby Salter.

00:23:44.000 He couldn't get divorced because he couldn't find the South African chick. 0.99

00:23:48.000 That's what you get. 0.99

00:23:50.000 So he's with Gabby and his girls, and he goes, oh, fuck, we're right by the alleyway. 0.98

00:23:56.000 So he goes, all right, everyone, close your eyes. 0.98

00:23:59.000 And he makes Gabby and his two daughters close their eyes, and he leads them to this.

00:24:04.000 And then he stands exactly there.

00:24:07.000 And he goes, Ry, open your eyes.

00:24:10.000 And then they go, oh, yeah, all right, dad.

00:24:13.000 And they walk away.

00:24:14.000 So what he wrote on this was, to Gavin, open your eyes.

00:24:18.000 I said to the crowd, but no. 0.97

00:24:23.000 That's something people don't get about him is that he was fucking funny. 0.94

00:24:26.000 I think that's why we had a connection because we were both into humor. 0.98

00:24:31.000 He used to always say, take off, you hosa, to me. 0.99

00:24:36.000 Did you show that picture of her shithead? 1.00

00:24:38.000 Yep, coming up. 0.99

00:24:39.000 It's a web page.

00:24:40.000 It only took you an hour.

00:24:42.000 It's not opening.

00:24:43.000 No, it's in the email.

00:24:44.000 The actual picture.

00:24:46.000 The attachment is showing up as a web page link.

00:24:50.000 That's strange.

00:24:50.000 Not good.

00:24:53.000 Okay, well, let's try to get to it.

00:24:55.000 I'm trying a whole lot.

00:24:56.000 You know, who's like Tucker, I mean, who's like Joe Strummerlot is Tucker Carlson.

00:24:59.000 No one would believe me based on the media's perception of both characters, but they both went to all-boys schools.

00:25:05.000 And when you go to an all-boys school, I told you, I'm gay for men. 0.98

00:25:08.000 Men love to riff. 0.92

00:25:10.000 So Tucker and Joe are both great riffers.

00:25:13.000 There she is, Gabby.

00:25:16.000 She's the blonde. 1.00

00:25:18.000 She was always hanging out with the band.

00:25:20.000 Fun gal. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Jesus, his daughters look exactly like her. 0.87

00:25:25.000 Cute, fun chick.

00:25:26.000 They're together for about 15 years.

00:25:34.000 Show this signed album?

00:25:37.000 Yeah.

00:25:39.000 But no!

00:25:40.000 I said to the crowd, but no. 0.98

00:25:43.000 So yeah, in that song, White Right, it says, black man got a lot of problems, but they don't mind throwing a brick. 1.00

00:25:51.000 And then Krass had this song, White Punks on Hope. 0.70

00:25:54.000 I love this song so much.

00:25:55.000 It's so much more...

00:25:56.000 It's so much better lyrically than anything the Clash did.

00:25:58.000 I don't know why I'm bringing that up on International Clash Day.

00:26:01.000 By the way, that's why we're doing this.

00:26:02.000 It's Clash Day.

00:26:04.000 But check out the beginning of this song.

00:26:06.000 I have this engraved on a piece of wood, by the way.

00:26:09.000 Oh, I should have brought that. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:26:12.000 What are the lyrics? 1.00

00:26:16.000 What a name is Crest, not Clash.

00:26:18.000 I can stop them back in truth.

00:26:27.000 Rock against racism is our found the white men standing in a palm.

00:26:48.000 Perfect.

00:26:52.000 They said because of racism, they'd come out on the street.

00:26:54.000 It was just a form of fascism for the socialist elite.

00:26:57.000 Bigotry and blindness, a Marxist con.

00:27:01.000 And here we are today. 1.00

00:27:02.000 Damn. 0.99

00:27:03.000 On this show, screaming. 1.00

00:27:04.000 All this talk about racism is a Marxist con.

00:27:07.000 Objecting to racism is like a candle in the dark. 0.99

00:27:10.000 Black man has his problems. 1.00

00:27:11.000 He's got his ways of dealing with it. 1.00

00:27:13.000 He doesn't need help with your white liberal shit. 1.00

00:27:16.000 When Givanche dubbed you a terror spouse, you should have been like, hey, I got a cool song you could listen to. 1.00

00:27:21.000 Given Shea?

00:27:22.000 You mean like the clothing line?

00:27:25.000 What is her name again?

00:27:27.000 Penny Louis.

00:27:28.000 Givé.

00:27:28.000 Giva Shea, okay.

00:27:30.000 Given Shea.

00:27:31.000 And when Gucci called you a terrorist.

00:27:36.000 So yeah, we're still in 1977, their first album.

00:27:39.000 That's this year.

00:27:45.000 And they had this energy about them.

00:27:48.000 The 101ers, Joe's first band, opened for the Sex Pistols, and there was this electric energy in the air, which unfortunately is constantly linked to the Ramones.

00:27:56.000 We talked about this in my History of Punk. 0.99

00:27:57.000 It's bullshit. 0.96

00:27:59.000 The energy was already there, though New York was an influence, but I think the biggest influence was just reading about punk. 1.00

00:28:07.000 Like you hear the damn talk about the single New Rose, and they go, yeah, we heard punk described.

00:28:13.000 Someone brought some punk zines back from New York City, but we hadn't heard the music. 0.99

00:28:17.000 So this was our interpretation of it.

00:28:19.000 And they nailed it.

00:28:22.000 And that same album had a cool song called Complete Control with Lee Scratch Perry.

00:28:27.000 Remember I was talking yesterday about the influx of Jamaicans in the 70s?

00:28:35.000 So one of them was Lee Scratch Perry.

00:28:37.000 And he helped produce this song.

00:28:45.000 Great video.

00:28:55.000 You can kind of hear the reggae in it.

00:29:09.000 They were the first band to be sexy, too.

00:29:16.000 Like the sex pistols were not trying to be attractive.

00:29:18.000 The class were trying to be stylish.

00:29:20.000 Especially that guy, Paul Simon.

00:29:24.000 The bassist.

00:29:25.000 And he was a dream boat. 0.97

00:29:28.000 I'm gay for him. 0.67

00:29:29.000 Not in a jokey way. 1.00

00:29:30.000 I want to blow him.

00:29:34.000 So then they came to the States. 0.96

00:29:36.000 Never happened in the States.

00:29:38.000 Never.

00:29:39.000 And they got signed a CBS.

00:29:42.000 But Bernie Rhodes wanted to keep their edge, so he didn't give them any money.

00:29:47.000 Oh, that's the dude who introduced them at Chase Stadium.

00:29:51.000 That must have been 80...

00:29:54.000 That must have been the end.

00:29:56.000 Like 84.

00:29:58.000 But so they decided to get, like, I think this dude who produced this produced Blue Oyster Cult.

00:30:06.000 And it's a super polished album that they hated.

00:30:08.000 There was nothing spontaneous about it.

00:30:09.000 There was nothing fun about it.

00:30:11.000 And it almost killed the band.

00:30:14.000 And there's some pretty good songs on it.

00:30:16.000 Julie's in the Drug Squad. 1.00

00:30:19.000 Guns on the Roof.

00:30:20.000 The only real takeaway from this is Tommy Gunn.

00:30:22.000 Wait, why isn't it listed here?

00:30:24.000 Last Gang in Town.

00:30:25.000 There's No Way Spend Your Youth.

00:30:26.000 Guns on the Roof.

00:30:27.000 Drugsty.

00:30:28.000 Oh, Tommy Gunn, yeah.

00:30:29.000 That was a hit.

00:30:30.000 I seem to have marked the songs as a young teenager.

00:30:34.000 I've marked the songs that are good with a pen.

00:30:36.000 Just in case I didn't realize what a good song was.

00:30:44.000 It's too clean.

00:30:45.000 It's not fun enough.

00:30:47.000 See, one thing you realize when you look back at the history of a band is what a delicate balance it is.

00:30:53.000 And the thing about marriage is it's also a delicate balance, but you can mold it.

00:30:58.000 You can say to your wife, like, we need to have a date night once a week.

00:31:01.000 We're not connecting enough.

00:31:03.000 Or you need to spend more time with this particular kid.

00:31:05.000 He hasn't seen you in a week.

00:31:08.000 But with bands, you can't really do that.

00:31:09.000 You can't say, like, Mick and Jones need a date night every Tuesday.

00:31:13.000 You guys have to go out, have a nice steak dinner or something.

00:31:16.000 They're just, Mick and Joe are not getting along at ends.

00:31:19.000 That's why there's so few bands that we talk about.

00:31:23.000 What are there?

00:31:24.000 There's like 10.

00:31:27.000 You know, bands that lasted this many records.

00:31:32.000 So, play some of Tommy Gunn.

00:31:33.000 Is there a video for that? 1.00

00:31:46.000 That shit is a fucking drink. 1.00

00:31:51.000 Is that them playing Tommy Gunn? 1.00

00:31:55.000 Cool, neighbor.

00:31:58.000 It's not easy to carry off a pirate shirt with a giant scarf.

00:32:02.000 Although Withnail did a good job of it and Withnail.

00:32:06.000 Jesus, British people, you got to get some fluoride in your water. 0.99

00:32:09.000 Don't listen to Alex Jones.

00:32:11.000 Your teeth are a nightmare. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Turn the frogs infinitely gay. 1.00

00:32:15.000 Yeah, I don't care how many gay frogs you get. 1.00

00:32:17.000 You look like you just got in a fight with that baseball gang and the Warriors, and they won. 0.98

00:32:23.000 A lot of violence at these early gigs.

00:32:25.000 There was one in Glasgow that Mick Jones blamed on the song White Riot.

00:32:29.000 And, You know, Glaswegians, they're particularly ornery, and there was always fights. 1.00

00:32:35.000 They were a very violent band and they thrived on it. 1.00

00:32:37.000 And then, being the pussy that he is, no, not a pussy, I take that back. 1.00

00:32:41.000 But there was one concert in Germany, I think it was, where the crowd was getting out of control. 1.00

00:32:46.000 So, Joe took his stratocaster off and smacked the guy in the head. 0.85

00:32:50.000 He said, That really affected me.

00:32:51.000 I felt really bad.

00:32:53.000 Wait, let me get his accent right.

00:32:54.000 I felt really bad. 0.65

00:32:55.000 I don't know why I hit him in the head.

00:32:57.000 And from then on, I was against violence.

00:33:01.000 So, yeah, that was 1978. 0.99

00:33:05.000 And the Bouncers beat the shit out of everyone in that Glasgow gig, and they've gotten a lot of shit for that. 0.95

00:33:10.000 So, I think that with this polished album, not getting any of their money, Joe just goes, I'm done with Bernie Rhodes. 0.98

00:33:19.000 You're out of the band.

00:33:21.000 Great move.

00:33:22.000 You know, history is written by the winners, so if you look up Bernie Rhodes, it sounds like he's an awesome dude.

00:33:28.000 He's not. 1.00

00:33:28.000 He was a ruthless cocksucker. 1.00

00:33:30.000 And the other thing you got to understand about bands back then is, like, now a manager is almost a slave. 0.99

00:33:35.000 He's like a tour manager or a line producer.

00:33:38.000 He just like sets up the appointments and you call the shots.

00:33:41.000 If your manager told you to always wear a leather jacket and leather pants, you just laugh at him.

00:33:45.000 But back then, you know, Malcolm McLaren said to the New York dolls, I want everyone wearing red because you're communists.

00:33:53.000 And they said, okay, we're communists.

00:33:54.000 So they would wear like hammer and sickles and stuff and be communists. 1.00

00:33:57.000 It was fucking retarded. 1.00

00:33:59.000 But it was because Malcolm McLaren told them to. 0.99

00:34:02.000 Of course, when the band is absolutely nothing, it's kind of frustrating too.

00:34:06.000 You can overdo the styling.

00:34:08.000 I met We Were Promised Jetpacks once, that Scottish band.

00:34:12.000 Really good band.

00:34:13.000 But on stage, they're wearing like a t-shirt and sweatpants. 1.00

00:34:17.000 And I go, guys, you look like shit. 1.00

00:34:19.000 People spent 25 bucks to see you tonight. 1.00

00:34:22.000 They're staring at you for an hour and a half.

00:34:26.000 Put on an ensemble.

00:34:28.000 Have something.

00:34:30.000 Make it worth our while.

00:34:33.000 Just wear all, you should all wear, look at them.

00:34:35.000 They look like IT guys.

00:34:38.000 They should all be wearing black suits with skinny ties, like, what's it called?

00:34:43.000 Ulysses, Nation of Ulysses.

00:34:46.000 Anyway, so they fire him.

00:34:49.000 And he goes on to have a pretty good career.

00:34:51.000 He does the specials, I think was his biggest band.

00:34:54.000 And you know what's funny?

00:34:55.000 In the song Gangsters, it starts out, you can hear the black guy go, Booney Rhodes knows, don't argue. 1.00

00:35:03.000 Because Bernie Rhodes take was that they were fighting all the time.

00:35:07.000 I don't know if fighting all the time is a bad move if you're a real man.

00:35:10.000 That's him right there.

00:35:11.000 You have to listen closely.

00:35:16.000 Bernie Rhodes knows, don't argue.

00:35:18.000 And ultimately, it was arguing that destroyed the clash.

00:35:22.000 But arguing is good.

00:35:26.000 Arguing is healthy.

00:35:27.000 Fighting is good.

00:35:28.000 Fighting solves everything, as we always say.

00:35:33.000 There's some Jamaicans perfectly assimilating into English life.

00:35:37.000 Right after they kicked England out of Jamaica and then came running, said, we changed our mind.

00:35:44.000 I don't want to move out, mom.

00:35:45.000 See, there's a look.

00:35:46.000 This is what I styled the proud boys on.

00:35:50.000 Clean, proud, working class mods. 0.64

00:35:54.000 Okay, so we're up to 1979 now.

00:35:58.000 Bernie Rhodes is gone.

00:36:00.000 And we have, I think, possibly the greatest album of all time, London Calling.

00:36:07.000 I mean, I remember having this on a cassette that was on a loop.

00:36:11.000 There's not one shitty song on the entire album.

00:36:15.000 And the variety is what's incredible.

00:36:17.000 That must come from Joe Strummer's multicultural upbringing where he's going all over the world.

00:36:22.000 And, you know, Jamaican reggae, that's nothing. 0.99

00:36:27.000 He's listening to Indian folk and all kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

00:36:32.000 Oh, and this guy, the producer for this was Guy Stevens. 0.99

00:36:35.000 He produced Mat the Hoopo.

00:36:36.000 And Mattha Hoopo had a lot to do with punk.

00:36:38.000 Punk comes from glam.

00:36:40.000 And Mattha Hoopal were a glam band.

00:36:41.000 But the thing that made them unique was they were real friendly to their fans.

00:36:47.000 They'd hang out with them all the time, let them come backstage, invite them on stage.

00:36:51.000 And that became a punk thing.

00:36:52.000 And then it became a hardcore thing.

00:36:54.000 It still is to this day.

00:36:56.000 And that was pioneered by Matthew Hoopal.

00:36:58.000 And the clash, they were really hard to work with.

00:37:00.000 They didn't make a lot of money.

00:37:01.000 I think Joe Strummer's estate is worth like a million pounds.

00:37:04.000 I spend that on Coca every year.

00:37:08.000 Because they kept record sales as low as possible.

00:37:10.000 They'd argue with the promoters and make sure the ticket prices weren't too high. 0.99

00:37:15.000 When they opened for The Who, they couldn't control the ticket prices, so they made the promoter donate part of their share to some fucking bullshit charity. 1.00

00:37:26.000 But London Calling is a fucking damn... 1.00

00:37:28.000 What about what's that song? 1.00

00:37:29.000 Elevator Go It Up! 1.00

00:37:31.000 Oh yeah, Career Up.

00:37:32.000 No.

00:37:33.000 Clampdown.

00:37:34.000 Check out the beginning of Clampdown.

00:37:38.000 Have you got that one?

00:37:40.000 Oh no, that's Coca-Cola.

00:37:41.000 But Clampdown's a classic, too.

00:37:45.000 It's exciting.

00:37:46.000 Like, they sound liberated, freed. 0.99

00:37:50.000 They're out of the boring studio where they did give them enough rope, and now they can do whatever the fuck they want. 0.99

00:37:54.000 Oh, and here's another thing, too. 0.99

00:37:56.000 When they got signed to CBS, they were called sellouts, and everyone hated them. 0.97

00:38:01.000 Sex Missiles did okay with EMI and everything, and they weren't really seen as vile, I guess, because they were literally, you know, monsters. 1.00

00:38:11.000 Puking and shitting and stabbing. 0.99

00:38:13.000 But the clash had let everyone down by signing to CBS and putting out that shitty album. 1.00

00:38:19.000 So this one. 0.60

00:38:20.000 So it was kind of liberating.

00:38:26.000 We lost our manager.

00:38:28.000 CBS doesn't like us anymore. 1.00

00:38:30.000 Punks hate us and think we're sellout faggots. 0.99

00:38:35.000 And then you had this concept of anything goes. 0.99

00:38:38.000 It's a great concept.

00:38:40.000 The people who declared International Class Day is the radio station KEXP over in Seattle.

00:38:46.000 And the thing I used to love about it is the variety.

00:38:48.000 Like you'd wake up and you'd hear Grandmaster Flash and then Helmet and then the Pixies and then fucking the Bundu Boys and then Death by Milk Float and then the rolling stones, and then the jam.

00:39:04.000 It was just all over the map, but well mixed.

00:39:06.000 It wasn't like jarring. 0.98

00:39:08.000 And then you know what fucking happened to them? 1.00

00:39:10.000 Get woke, everything woke turns to shit. 1.00

00:39:13.000 Now, because of George Floyd, believe it or not, they have an African-American BIPOC who handles the morning show. 0.99

00:39:21.000 It's no longer John in the Morning, which was the show I was just talking about.

00:39:25.000 It's this like part, I don't know what he is, Somalian.

00:39:29.000 He speaks like he's from East New York, which is an affectation.

00:39:32.000 And it's all like scientific hip-hop and backpack rap and new soul.

00:39:40.000 Like Erika Badu, but worse.

00:39:44.000 If that's imaginable.

00:39:45.000 Hard to imagine, yeah. 0.98

00:39:46.000 And the thing, like, I always get in shit for saying the West is the best and they think you mean white. 0.97

00:39:51.000 And I have said, like, I guess predominantly Westerners are white, if you really want to get into that. 0.97

00:39:57.000 But I realized this the other day because it sounds like a contradiction when I say, no, Western doesn't mean white, and then most Westerners are white.

00:40:04.000 I realized, like, white culture is diverse.

00:40:09.000 It's the most tolerant culture.

00:40:12.000 And that's what's evident in things like this.

00:40:15.000 With this lover's rock and revolution rock, reggae song, jazz, Jimmy Jazz, Spanish bombs. 0.99

00:40:24.000 Like there's such a huge variety here.

00:40:28.000 Check out the beginning of Coca-Cola.

00:40:31.000 I love this beginning.

00:40:39.000 You can really hear that Topper Hedden.

00:40:45.000 As Joe Strummer put it, the drummer's the engine of the band.

00:40:49.000 And you can hear him really controlly songs.

00:40:54.000 You know, the opening song, Card Sheet, was written by Topper Hedden.

00:40:58.000 He's playing the piano.

00:41:00.000 Or then there's Lost in a Supermarket, where Joe Strummer just moved to New York, and he was like, I don't know anyone here.

00:41:09.000 He would go to Niagara occasionally.

00:41:11.000 I'm not sure it was called Niagara then.

00:41:12.000 I think it was called 7A.

00:41:13.000 There's a big mural of him there now.

00:41:15.000 I went with him to Niagara a few times.

00:41:18.000 But this is just like, he's got his shopping cart.

00:41:24.000 And they're not really that famous yet.

00:41:27.000 And he's just like getting beans and toast.

00:41:31.000 Jump in the middle.

00:41:39.000 I think that's Mick Jones.

00:41:45.000 Anyway.

00:41:47.000 So that's the masterpiece that is London Calling.

00:41:50.000 Loss in the supermarket, clampdown, guns of Brixton.

00:41:55.000 Death of Glory.

00:41:56.000 And then they put out this weird...

00:41:58.000 They said that they were going to put out a single every month in 1980.

00:42:03.000 But the record label shut it down. 1.00

00:42:05.000 So they said, fuck you. 1.00

00:42:06.000 And they put this out. 1.00

00:42:08.000 It's a bunch of covers, really.

00:42:11.000 This is a picture.

00:42:12.000 That's Don Letz.

00:42:14.000 The guy who ended up being in big audio dynamite with Mick Jones after he left the clash.

00:42:17.000 The guy you saw, the black guy you saw at the beginning of the show with the long, long dreads. 0.98

00:42:22.000 That's him walking up against the police.

00:42:23.000 I said the Jamaicans assimilated beautifully into British culture, but it wasn't perfect, obviously.

00:42:30.000 There was these riots.

00:42:32.000 I think these riots, what were they called?

00:42:34.000 The Kingston riots or something?

00:42:38.000 Are what inspired White Riot? 0.99

00:42:44.000 But yeah, there's just a bunch of really awesome fucking reggae. 0.93

00:42:49.000 Oh, check out this song, Bank Robber. 0.98

00:42:51.000 Check out the video.

00:42:52.000 This is, I think, my favorite video ever.

00:42:54.000 This is a dub remix of their original song, Bank Robber.

00:42:59.000 Produced by Mickey Dredd.

00:43:11.000 I don't think you could possibly get cooler than this. 0.61

00:43:46.000 What's the black guy doing? 0.99

00:43:47.000 Just playing a tambourine. 0.96

00:43:49.000 Can't you get a tambourine sample?

00:43:53.000 Oh my god, you should have seen what Ryan wore today for Clash Day.

00:43:58.000 Have we seen you yet, Ryan?

00:43:59.000 No.

00:44:00.000 I had to do a make an outfit overhaul.

00:44:04.000 You're supposed to be wearing that Shaguevara hat. 0.92

00:44:06.000 It messes up my headphones.

00:44:08.000 Put it underneath your headphones, genius.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, but it still doesn't create a nice feel.

00:44:13.000 I don't like it.

00:44:14.000 It feels weird.

00:44:17.000 What's with the primping? 0.74

00:44:19.000 You get that from Katsu?

00:44:22.000 He was wearing a brown leather.

00:44:24.000 Well, I'll show you the picture.

00:44:25.000 He's wearing a brown leather jacket.

00:44:27.000 I go, what are you doing with your jacket?

00:44:29.000 He goes, I don't know.

00:44:30.000 It's like a leather jacket. 1.00

00:44:32.000 I go, they didn't wear brown leather jackets, you fucking moron. 1.00

00:44:35.000 I'm a punk. 1.00

00:44:37.000 And then he had a t-shirt on with a tie that he got from a Salvation Army.

00:44:44.000 The ugliest Paisley tie you've ever seen.

00:44:47.000 It's right here.

00:44:49.000 It's not Paisley.

00:44:52.000 It's worse. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Throw that in the garbage. 0.97

00:44:54.000 I can't. 0.72

00:44:55.000 It's for LARPing as a 1990s guy.

00:44:58.000 So it should be in a costume trunk.

00:45:00.000 It should be in your tickle trunk.

00:45:01.000 I got a tickle trunk.

00:45:02.000 We'll put it in there with wigs and funny sunglasses and like makeup. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Oh.

00:45:11.000 We look like we're the clash.

00:45:14.000 I'm Paul Simonon.

00:45:16.000 You can be Topperhead.

00:45:17.000 I'm Topperhead.

00:45:19.000 Named after the monkey in Topper Comics.

00:45:24.000 There's a...

00:45:24.000 Yeah, look at this video.

00:45:28.000 Best style, too, isn't it?

00:45:30.000 That's such a great look.

00:45:31.000 Skinny jeans that are floods, brothel creepers, pink socks, a Harrington, and a bandana.

00:45:39.000 You can bring those bandanas back now with COVID.

00:45:43.000 Those are their roadies, those two guys. 0.73

00:45:47.000 So I think this video inspired that movie called Rude Boy that the Clash fucking hated and did everything they could to get rid of.

00:45:54.000 I thought it was a great movie.

00:45:55.000 There's a funny scene in it where the main character, Ray Gans, who was their roadie, they must have been real mad at him for doing that movie.

00:46:04.000 He's like, I don't know if you should do...

00:46:06.000 Don't do politics.

00:46:07.000 Don't do socialism.

00:46:08.000 It leads to communism.

00:46:09.000 It's just a bad look.

00:46:11.000 Maybe that's why Joe liked me because I reminded him of the rude boy who said, stop it.

00:46:18.000 See if you can find that.

00:46:19.000 Rude Boy Clash, Ray Gange.

00:46:21.000 They're sitting at a pub.

00:46:23.000 I can find this on my illegal hack box, but it's a really hard film to find.

00:46:30.000 I thought it was good, you know, for an old indie film.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, turn that up.

00:46:37.000 I don't think the clash would be political, you know? 0.98

00:46:39.000 I can't hear shit because they're left politics. 0.99

00:46:42.000 They're like real hypocrisy. 1.00

00:46:45.000 It's like the Socialist Workers' Party. 0.98

00:46:48.000 They say left wing is the truth.

00:46:51.000 Follow the left-wing politics.

00:46:54.000 But I don't know. 0.99

00:46:54.000 Left wing is going to fuck everybody up. 0.99

00:46:57.000 Especially socialist workers, all communist facts, like all the others are. 0.97

00:47:01.000 I know how you feel like, because in Russia, it's just a new...

00:47:05.000 It's just exactly the same as it was before they had the revolution.

00:47:08.000 Just a new load of people driving around in the black cars and all the other people walking, just the same as before.

00:47:15.000 I mean, I know what you mean.

00:47:16.000 That's what it is here, isn't it?

00:47:17.000 But why I think the left wing is better than the left wing is because at least it's kind of not just for the few.

00:47:28.000 The many slaving for the few.

00:47:30.000 But I know my idea is to make sure that I become one of the few.

00:47:34.000 What's the point of being one of the few?

00:47:36.000 At the moment, there ain't.

00:47:37.000 But what happens when we all become so-called equal?

00:47:41.000 And someone's got to control it.

00:47:43.000 And the people that control it, then, as you said before, some people are going to be riding around in the black cars. 0.98

00:47:49.000 So all I want to do is make sure that I'm riding around and not fucking walking. 0.95

00:47:54.000 Yeah, like when I read about the Socialist Workers' Party, it makes me more convinced that I'm a capitalist. 0.93

00:48:01.000 I want to have a lot of money.

00:48:04.000 And I want to have a Rolls-Royce common and a country mansion and a house in Beverly Hills and everything, like servants running around and doing what I want.

00:48:16.000 I've just thought about it a lot and I just think that there's nothing, there's nothing there.

00:48:21.000 You can get all the Rolls-Royce's, all the Doe, all the country houses, all the servants you want.

00:48:29.000 I just think there's nothing at the end of that road.

00:48:32.000 No human life or nothing.

00:48:34.000 And that's why I just don't want to go that way.

00:48:37.000 That's why I think that it's all of us or none. 1.00

00:48:42.000 I don't see the point in getting all rich and locking yourself up in that country mansion because sooner or later some cunt's going to come around with a shotgun and blow your head off or whatever. 1.00

00:48:52.000 It's nothing there. 1.00

00:48:54.000 I'm sure of it.

00:48:57.000 I don't know.

00:48:58.000 I can't think what to do with myself.

00:49:00.000 All right, that's enough.

00:49:01.000 That's perfect.

00:49:02.000 Did you hear what was really going on there?

00:49:04.000 My dad abandoned me.

00:49:06.000 And he did, by the way.

00:49:07.000 All you people who send your kids to boarding school, maybe 14, 15, there's an argument because, like my 13-year-old, he never looks up.

00:49:17.000 He'll look up from someone and go, what?

00:49:19.000 God, man, I took his phone away today.

00:49:21.000 Every Tuesday, there's no phones.

00:49:24.000 Did not go down well.

00:49:26.000 Dad's not popular. 1.00

00:49:27.000 And now even my wife is like, this is stupid. 1.00

00:49:30.000 This is a pain. 1.00

00:49:31.000 Like, it's one fucking rule. 1.00

00:49:34.000 And if you're mad, it means you're addicted to your phone. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Like Lent.

00:49:39.000 I don't drink hard liquor during Lent.

00:49:42.000 And I'm not happy with how hard it is.

00:49:45.000 That's a sign.

00:49:46.000 That's the big guy saying, hey, hey, hey, hey.

00:49:49.000 This shouldn't be the end of the world.

00:49:55.000 But they were just on fire in 1980.

00:49:58.000 And then, I don't know why, but Joe Strummer said he missed his daddy and he hired...

00:50:04.000 Wait a minute.

00:50:05.000 Sorry.

00:50:05.000 Let's go back a step there.

00:50:06.000 So Joe was saying, yeah, all the money, there's no humanity there.

00:50:11.000 Because he had all the money and there was no dad there.

00:50:14.000 And he was also punched in the stomach at the age of 18 by his brother's suicide.

00:50:19.000 So it made him very callous about the upper class.

00:50:23.000 Which I resent as an upper class person.

00:50:27.000 By the way, I got my car.

00:50:30.000 Did I show you this?

00:50:31.000 No.

00:50:34.000 I'll tell you what it is.

00:50:35.000 You can look it up yourself.

00:50:37.000 I got it in Idaho, so I got to ship it here.

00:50:39.000 It's going to be $1,700 to ship here.

00:50:42.000 The final bid was like $13,000, but look up a...

00:50:48.000 It's got 50,000 miles on it.

00:50:50.000 A 2000 Jaguar XJR.

00:50:56.000 It's weird.

00:50:57.000 I show it to mechanics.

00:50:58.000 I'm like, yeah, it's a nice car. 0.99

00:51:00.000 And every time you talk to a mechanic, you look at his car, and it's like a fucking maroon Subaru. 0.98

00:51:05.000 And you're like, like a guitarist. 0.99

00:51:07.000 Look at all of Joe Strommer's guitars.

00:51:08.000 They're all works of art.

00:51:10.000 He's never on a Walmart guitar.

00:51:11.000 But mechanics are always in the shittiest, ugliest cars.

00:51:17.000 And they just cycle through them.

00:51:19.000 They feel nothing for them. 0.99

00:51:20.000 It seems weird to devote your life to cars and then feel the same way about cars that I feel about my fucking dog. 0.98

00:51:26.000 That seems a little squarer than mine. 0.97

00:51:29.000 I mean, the profile is my favorite part, and the grill's pretty wonderful, too. 0.99

00:51:33.000 Look at that fucking thing. 0.99

00:51:35.000 Like, I can't wear jeans in that. 1.00

00:51:37.000 I have to wear a black suit every time I drive. 1.00

00:51:39.000 And it has a fucking cassette deck. 0.99

00:51:43.000 So I'll be rummaging through eBay for combat rock. 0.99

00:51:50.000 Maybe I'll just only do the clash in my Jaguar.

00:51:53.000 That sounds like a cool idea.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, that's what I'll do.

00:51:56.000 I'll get all of these on cassette.

00:52:00.000 Sound system extras.

00:52:02.000 The card sheet was an extra.

00:52:04.000 The opening song, that wasn't meant to be on the album.

00:52:07.000 So, anyway, Joe misses his father figure, so he brings Bernie Rhodes back. 0.99

00:52:11.000 Dude, what the fuck? 0.99

00:52:13.000 After all of this success, London calling, black market clash, and they put out this stink bomb that we already talked about, Sandinista. 1.00

00:52:23.000 The only good song on his is Magnificent 7.

00:52:26.000 They were getting heavily influenced by New York.

00:52:29.000 And that's really the aesthetics of this show.

00:52:31.000 It's 1981, the clash in New York City.

00:52:36.000 They sold tickets at this place called Bonds Disco.

00:52:39.000 It was a 3,000 capacity.

00:52:42.000 No, it was a 1700 capacity. 1.00

00:52:44.000 But Bernie being the fucker that he is, he oversold it several times over. 0.98

00:52:48.000 So instead of saying sorry to everyone, the clash played there for an entire week. 0.99

00:52:53.000 And to go back to the sort of diversity of the typical Westerner, they had rap opening and disco opening and all these different people.

00:53:02.000 And in Britain, the black thing was like, it was Jamaicans. 1.00

00:53:06.000 It was cool and fun.

00:53:07.000 But in New York City at the time, it was dangerous.

00:53:09.000 There was a real racial rivalry there.

00:53:12.000 Like rappers and punkers did not get along, especially in crime-ridden New York.

00:53:16.000 So it wasn't all about diversity and being friends yet.

00:53:20.000 And so there was a lot of violence there and fighting and booing.

00:53:23.000 And then Joe would come and go, look, look, if you got a problem with, you know, Grandmaster Flesh, then we're not going to play. 0.60

00:53:30.000 So enjoy this or shut up.

00:53:33.000 And they sort of forced everyone to appreciate the diversity of the Clash's taste.

00:53:38.000 But the only song on this, I think, is The Magnificent Seven, which featured kind of rap.

00:53:44.000 This is back when they were doing rap songs.

00:53:50.000 You know, remember Blondie had a rap song and fucking Billy Otto was much later, but Queen. 0.54

00:54:04.000 Too funky.

00:54:12.000 This is sort of like Paul's Boutique or Hoosker Dew's Zen Arcade or Crass's Yes Sure, I Will.

00:54:21.000 It's like they overindulge themselves until they ostracize us.

00:54:26.000 We liked it when you indulge yourselves and you were who you wanted to be with London Calling.

00:54:34.000 But you're getting way too indulgent with this.

00:54:56.000 Play that.

00:54:57.000 This is the aesthetic of GOML.

00:54:59.000 Well, actually, no, play the news thing from the Bonds Casino because that was such a cool time.

00:55:03.000 I think John Joseph from the Cro-Mags went to these shows. 1.00

00:55:06.000 What an electric time.

00:55:32.000 So there's no time to stand around with some nice pair of velvet trousers on going on about what you're going to do to your woman tonight. 0.99

00:55:50.000 Half of Europe's listening to the same rubbish. 0.99

00:55:53.000 Not all of America's listening to the same rubbish. 0.99

00:55:56.000 Just, you know, just get all this rubbish out of the way so that you see what's going on. 0.96

00:56:00.000 They are the Clash.

00:56:02.000 And since they emerged in 1976, they've been setting the industry on fire with their refusal to conform.

00:56:07.000 The Clash was one of the first groups to bring together Jamaican reggae and punk rock.

00:56:12.000 Some of us grew up listening to black records and the best records going around at the time.

00:56:18.000 And also for me, when I actually learnt bass, I actually played along listening to reggae records because I could actually hear the bass.

00:56:31.000 The calculation!

00:56:34.000 Okay, and then go to the...

00:56:36.000 That's not as fun as this next one.

00:56:39.000 Always took on music that was going on around us on board and made it part of our thing.

00:56:44.000 Mick Jones is the one who's, again, he's the king arranger and he's bringing in that.

00:56:49.000 He was always looking to do the new thing and that was really banging off in New York.

00:56:54.000 Rap was there, it was like 1980. 0.99

00:57:15.000 Shut up, Sam. 0.97

00:57:17.000 The others used to call me Whackatack, and you know, I walk around with a beatbox. 0.98

00:57:28.000 So they've been around for about three years.

00:57:30.000 They were about 25 years old when they started, so now they're like 30.

00:57:33.000 We just like hooked up.

00:57:34.000 And they're blowing up.

00:57:41.000 And WBLS played it to death.

00:57:43.000 You couldn't go anywhere in New York that summer without hearing that.

00:57:46.000 And that was us weirdo, punk, rock, white guys doing the kit.

00:57:58.000 Isn't he endearing? 0.99

00:58:00.000 He's kind of a silly kid. 1.00

00:58:05.000 When I would walk around New York with him, he was always going through the fucking garbage. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Why would someone throw that out? 1.00

00:58:14.000 It's a broken Puerto Rican flag.

00:58:16.000 And that was like another signpost of what was to come.

00:58:20.000 We sort of fell in with some graffiti artists and they made a big banner for us.

00:58:27.000 Where's the banner?

00:58:36.000 That's when New York City was so ugly that the citizens had to start drawing on it to make it less disgusting.

00:58:43.000 Let's play this with bala leikers.

00:58:46.000 Everyone would have gone, give me the biggest balalaika. 0.99

00:58:49.000 You know, people, we were open about stuff.

00:58:52.000 Mick Jones bringing in the new sound of New York and stuff, and Simo with his reggae thing, and me with my rhythm and blues thing, and Toppa with all his soul chops.

00:59:02.000 And we could just do that. 0.90

00:59:11.000 I mean, it's very aesthetically appealing, that old shitty New York. 0.97

00:59:15.000 I don't want to be there. 0.99

00:59:16.000 I don't want to get mugged and raped and have people step over my dead body.

00:59:20.000 But it's cool to look at.

00:59:21.000 So anyway, Topper was doing too much heroin on that tour.

00:59:24.000 Yep, you can see all this footage we got from that.

00:59:27.000 And they kicked him out of the band.

00:59:30.000 And then we had Combat Rock.

00:59:35.000 Which actually Topper Hedden had contributed quite a bit to.

00:59:41.000 But the record label was not happy with Sandinista, so they had to drum up some excitement for Combat Rock.

00:59:49.000 And so Bernie wrote to, Joe, you didn't vanish, but call me every day to make sure you're okay.

00:59:54.000 And Joe didn't call him every day.

00:59:56.000 He went to Paris.

00:59:57.000 He genuinely vanished.

00:59:58.000 He ran the Paris Marathon of all things.

01:00:02.000 One thing about Joe's drummer is he had his girlfriend that gave him his beautiful daughters, and I think he was a good dad, but he wasn't a great husband.

01:00:13.000 He would cheat on everyone at all times.

01:00:16.000 He eventually got monogamous with this aristocrat named Lucinda, I think.

01:00:21.000 That was like in 1995.

01:00:25.000 He dumped Gabby and he married this aristocrat named Lucinda.

01:00:29.000 She took his real last name, whatever that is.

01:00:32.000 I thought it was kind of funny that after all this, like, I hate the rich, the aristocrat's son ends up marrying the aristocrat.

01:00:38.000 Was that Lucinda?

01:00:40.000 So I think he had stopped cheating by then. 0.99

01:00:43.000 Oof, she's ugly. 1.00

01:00:44.000 Lucinda Tate. 0.98

01:00:48.000 So she's, I guess, Tate Gallery or something.

01:00:50.000 She's from Big Money. 1.00

01:00:54.000 That's his daughter, I believe.

01:00:55.000 Anyway. 0.99

01:00:59.000 So things should suck. 0.93

01:01:01.000 It should all be over. 0.99

01:01:02.000 And then Combat Rock comes out and just fucking explodes. 0.96

01:01:07.000 Now they're becoming rock stars. 0.99

01:01:08.000 Now it's going to their head.

01:01:09.000 These guys were...

01:01:10.000 Imagine you're 20, in your early 20s, and you start this roller coaster ride where you become the most popular band in the world.

01:01:17.000 They always say, if you want to ruin a man, give him everything he wants. 0.92

01:01:21.000 So this is where you gotta fucking, I mean, maybe Bernie Rhodes was right to deny them money. 0.96

01:01:26.000 This is where we're losing Topper. 0.98

01:01:28.000 He's there in the middle there, not for long. 0.88

01:01:30.000 And everyone's doing drugs, getting shit faced, getting in trouble, cheating on their significant others, traveling the world, and getting more and more popular. 0.98

01:01:39.000 It must do your head in, as they say. 1.00

01:01:43.000 Also, playing the same songs every night, that must drive you fucking nuts. 0.99

01:01:46.000 How many times could you play Should I Stay or Should I Go? 0.99

01:01:49.000 It's a beautiful song.

01:01:50.000 It's Mick Jones.

01:01:52.000 But...

01:01:55.000 Oh, by the way, speaking of Mick Jones, I forgot to mention Train in Vain. 0.99

01:01:59.000 He was fucking the chick Viv Albertine from the Slits. 0.99

01:02:06.000 I know, that's boring. 1.00

01:02:07.000 He went to fuck her and she didn't fuck him, so I took the Train in Vain. 1.00

01:02:10.000 Who cares? 1.00

01:02:12.000 So yeah, this one.

01:02:13.000 And you know what else is kind of based about this is the song Rock the Kasbah is about Iran banning, look at this, this cost me $3.99.

01:02:27.000 Iran was banning American pop music and dance music because it was corrupting the youth. 0.78

01:02:34.000 So they did a parody of that. 0.96

01:02:35.000 You got to show the video, Penis Lips. 1.00

01:02:39.000 But this album has, this was their big hit album. 0.97

01:02:42.000 And it also has so many fucking cool, weird songs.

01:02:50.000 That's Copperhead and playing the guitar. 0.94

01:02:52.000 I mean, the piano.

01:02:54.000 I guess they hadn't fired him quite yet.

01:02:57.000 Where'd they get the armadillo?

01:02:59.000 I want an armadillo.

01:03:01.000 Me too.

01:03:02.000 Maybe we could have one in the studio with our manta shrimp that we have not made any progress on.

01:03:07.000 I mean, their droppings are probably just little pellets.

01:03:09.000 Yeah.

01:03:12.000 Let's get an armadillo.

01:03:14.000 With armadoodles all over the floor.

01:03:17.000 How funny.

01:03:18.000 Okay.

01:03:18.000 True.

01:03:21.000 But check out this song that no one talks about that's on the same album, Death is a Star. 0.94

01:03:26.000 I mean, you gotta fucking appreciate someone, even Sandinista. 0.60

01:03:30.000 You gotta appreciate when someone gets that popular, like Coca-Cola, and they keep changing the recipe. 0.98

01:03:36.000 This song is so fucking weird. 0.91

01:03:54.000 In a one-stop only motel, the storm bangs on the cheapest room. 0.99

01:03:58.000 The phantom slips in to spill blood, even on the sweetest honeymoon.

01:04:04.000 Maybe that private school education wasn't so bad for you, Joe.

01:04:07.000 You're a fantastic poet.

01:04:09.000 And speaking of poets, that also had the ghetto defendant song that had Alan Ginsburg on it.

01:04:16.000 Is it Alan Ginsburg or William S. Burroughs? 0.99

01:04:18.000 Alan Ginsburg, wasn't he the fucking pedo? 0.99

01:04:22.000 Got a whole track list here. 1.00

01:04:25.000 Ghetto Defendant. 0.52

01:04:26.000 Slam dance metropolis. 0.96

01:04:45.000 Hooked on Necropolis.

01:04:49.000 Anyway, lots of cool, weird songs there.

01:04:51.000 That's what I always appreciate about them.

01:04:52.000 They're never boring, you know?

01:04:55.000 But yeah, I'm only going to have clash cassettes in the car.

01:05:01.000 so they're falling apart.

01:05:03.000 I don't know why.

01:05:04.000 They just had combat rock, but it's going pretty bad. 1.00

01:05:08.000 And then they're just too big for their bitches. 1.00

01:05:10.000 If you want to ruin a man, give him everything he wants. 1.00

01:05:12.000 And they're coming to a close now.

01:05:14.000 And Mick and Joe aren't getting along.

01:05:16.000 That's a bad move.

01:05:19.000 They should have worked it out, but someone was too stubborn.

01:05:22.000 And you will be there.

01:05:23.000 You will arrive like this in your life.

01:05:26.000 If it's your marriage, it's malleable.

01:05:28.000 But if it's a business partner, a bandmate, even a friend, sometimes it just becomes impossible to work out.

01:05:34.000 You know, with friendships, I feel like there's a cell phone plan.

01:05:38.000 And every year they say, do you want to update your cell phone plan? 0.99

01:05:43.000 And sometimes people go, no, I want to get a fucking Android. 0.95

01:05:48.000 And it's the end of that phone number forever. 0.97

01:05:51.000 And in this case, it's pretty sad.

01:05:53.000 The most you can hope for is that you split amicably and you're fair and honest.

01:05:59.000 And that was really bad with like Opie and Anthony.

01:06:01.000 All Opie had to do was drive over to Anthony's house and say, look, man, I talked to them.

01:06:06.000 I mean, I could go on strike, but I'm not willing to do that.

01:06:09.000 I need the money.

01:06:10.000 So you're on your own and I'm really sorry, but that's the way it is.

01:06:13.000 That's what men do. 0.72

01:06:15.000 And they would still be split up, but, you know, they would have died with their boots on. 1.00

01:06:21.000 And fucking OP could sleep well at night. 1.00

01:06:24.000 But instead, he pussied out and ran and hid. 1.00

01:06:26.000 I think Martin Luther King said that.

01:06:28.000 He goes, I don't really remember the rants of my enemies.

01:06:30.000 It's the silence of my friends that I remember.

01:06:34.000 And Mick was starting.

01:06:36.000 Oh, there she is.

01:06:37.000 That's the chick behind Vain training Vain. 1.00

01:06:39.000 Still fucking hot. 1.00

01:06:41.000 The slits were a sh garbage band. 0.99

01:06:44.000 But we needed women in the scene, so. 1.00

01:06:48.000 What are they talking about, these fat souls?

01:06:50.000 It was the process by which attitudes changed.

01:06:54.000 And the clash were the next wave of revolutionaries.

01:06:58.000 So in the political framework, I thought.

01:07:02.000 So I think the end was when they opened for the Who at Shea Stadium, Met's hometown, just down the street from us right now.

01:07:12.000 If only I had a time machine, we could...

01:07:14.000 That's what I did.

01:07:15.000 I'm stealing this from David Cross, but he always said, if I had a time machine, I wouldn't go like changing the world and killing Hitler and saving people from drowning.

01:07:24.000 He goes, I'd want to see The Who's first show, The Sex Pistol's first show.

01:07:28.000 I feel the same way.

01:07:29.000 Like, give me a time machine. 0.99

01:07:31.000 And I'd say, all right, I'm on my way to kill Hitler. 0.99

01:07:33.000 And they go, okay, good. 0.99

01:07:34.000 Tell us how it goes.

01:07:35.000 And then at the last second, I'd go, 1982, Shea Stadium.

01:07:43.000 So that's it, Shea.

01:07:46.000 The planes have to come through again.

01:07:54.000 Maybe they just got too big?

01:08:15.000 You don't really have to write lyrics outside of albums, I guess, right?

01:08:21.000 Things are not this lit anymore.

01:08:24.000 Because there's always a percentage of people on their phones.

01:08:27.000 Yeah.

01:08:27.000 This is zero phone.

01:08:29.000 Everybody's dialed in.

01:08:30.000 Yeah, good point.

01:08:32.000 100% dialed in.

01:08:39.000 And they give better performances because of that, I bet.

01:08:42.000 Because they know there's that feedback.

01:08:44.000 It must be a bummer to look out over a crowd and just see a thousand phones recording you.

01:08:50.000 What are you doing with that footage?

01:08:51.000 There's going to be way better footage of this concert than what's on your phone.

01:08:57.000 This is being done.

01:08:58.000 And if you look to your left or your right and somebody else has it on videos, okay, that's being done.

01:09:02.000 Yeah, we've got it.

01:09:03.000 I'll go on Reddit and I'll find the best one.

01:09:06.000 And I'll download that to my desktop and never look at it ever again.

01:09:11.000 All right, so this is it.

01:09:13.000 The split.

01:09:15.000 And I don't know exactly who was first.

01:09:18.000 I mean, Mick, a lot of the times with a divorce, they go, oh, the woman instituted the divorce. 0.96

01:09:23.000 Yeah, but because the husband was totally absent, he hadn't fucked her in a year. 0.96

01:09:28.000 And he would just go up and play video games in his room and not talk to her. 0.91

01:09:32.000 So I don't know if Mick forced himself out of the band or if Bernie forced him out of the band or Joe did, but Mick was late and late and late and showing zero interest.

01:09:43.000 And Joe said, I don't want to play with you anymore.

01:09:46.000 And kicked him out of the band.

01:09:49.000 I think Bernie was a huge part of that.

01:09:51.000 I think it's because Bernie reckoned himself a musician.

01:09:55.000 And they proceeded to make Cut the Crap.

01:10:01.000 Paul Simon is still in it.

01:10:02.000 Joe Strummer's there, but they have a new drummer, new guitarist, new...

01:10:07.000 They have two new guitarists, I guess.

01:10:10.000 And this poor kid, Vince White, he grew up worshiping The Clash, and he's finally in the band.

01:10:16.000 And Joe was so mad at himself for this not working out that he would just show up, play the songs, and leave. 1.00

01:10:22.000 Now, this is known as the biggest piece of shit on earth. 0.99

01:10:26.000 The biggest mistake The Clash ever made. 0.99

01:10:28.000 It's considered proof that Mick Jones was the backbone of the band and you can't split up a band like that.

01:10:35.000 Maybe that is true.

01:10:36.000 I don't know. 0.97

01:10:37.000 I listened to this so many millions of times that I fucking love it. 0.97

01:10:42.000 Every song. 0.89

01:10:43.000 And the weird part is, Mick Jones, Joe changed his mind and said, can you come back to the band?

01:10:49.000 And Mick said, no, me and Don Letz, this guy, have like a weird techno rap band.

01:10:56.000 It's all dance tracks.

01:10:57.000 You guys want to do your R ⁇ B and your punk?

01:10:59.000 Fine.

01:10:59.000 I want to evolve musically.

01:11:01.000 So I'm doing all drum machines and samples.

01:11:06.000 And so that's the narrative. 1.00

01:11:08.000 But then you listen to Cut the Crap and it's all fucking techno shit. 1.00

01:11:11.000 Like drop the needle anywhere on this. 1.00

01:11:16.000 Okay, that's pretty guitary.

01:11:21.000 What song is this?

01:11:23.000 Cool under heat.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, there's a drum machine in there.

01:11:28.000 Drum machines.

01:11:29.000 Three card drums.

01:11:31.000 The hit on this is This is England, which was mostly Bernie Rhodes.

01:11:34.000 But listen to the beginning of this song, how many samples and tracks there are.

01:11:39.000 This is England, right?

01:11:42.000 Drum machine.

01:11:47.000 Kids playing.

01:11:52.000 Violins.

01:11:53.000 Keywood.

01:11:55.000 Sector M. Classic Anthem.

01:12:08.000 It's one of the greatest songs ever made.

01:12:10.000 It's a great song to play at a bar on the jukebox because it's not invasive.

01:12:15.000 It's just a beautiful background song that is inarguably great.

01:12:20.000 But yeah, it's all techno beats and samples.

01:12:23.000 Anyway, Joe hates this record.

01:12:25.000 He didn't finish recording.

01:12:26.000 Bernie Rhodes had to finish the recording.

01:12:27.000 The guys had a horrible time in the clash.

01:12:30.000 Complete failure.

01:12:31.000 And then Joe went nuts.

01:12:36.000 And he said, Mick was right about Bernie.

01:12:40.000 And he tried to get him back.

01:12:42.000 He couldn't handle it.

01:12:44.000 So he vanished. 0.99

01:12:46.000 And he went to Spain to live in a cave for a long fucking time. 0.99

01:12:54.000 Oh, wait, sorry. 0.99

01:12:55.000 Before that, though, he still had a bit of life in him. 0.98

01:13:00.000 So 85 was Cut the Crap.

01:13:02.000 He started doing solo stuff, and he did a really good song for the Sid and Nancy movie, Love Kills, which Johnny Rotten was not consulted on, much to his chagrin.

01:13:12.000 But Love Kills is a Joe strummer.

01:13:15.000 I think Mick Jones helped him a little bit with it.

01:13:17.000 So there was hope that they might have a future together, actually, after Cut the Crap, because Joe apologized.

01:13:23.000 They both conceded it was Bernie's fault. 0.89

01:13:25.000 And they did Love Kills.

01:13:28.000 But then Mick was like, sorry, John, Joe, I forgive you.

01:13:32.000 But I got my own life now.

01:13:33.000 I got big audio dynamite.

01:13:35.000 But play Love Kills. 0.99

01:13:46.000 Can Hiri's going to go sort of country Mexican soon?

01:13:50.000 In the doodle-dabble-doodle.

01:14:06.000 It's a cool video, too.

01:14:06.000 Sid Bitch isn't dead.

01:14:08.000 He escaped to Mexico.

01:14:23.000 He's got a beard now.

01:14:24.000 Oh, no, that's just Monet said.

01:14:26.000 They juxtaposed the movie with Gary Oldman with a beard because he's escaped to Mexico.

01:14:31.000 Anyway, that's a great song. 0.99

01:14:33.000 And then that, sorry, after that is when he moved to Spain and lived in a cave and was fucked up. 0.94

01:14:38.000 And Mick had a fantastic career. 0.98

01:14:42.000 He did.

01:14:45.000 Do I have the big audio dynamite songs?

01:14:50.000 What's that one?

01:14:52.000 Oh yeah, this. 0.98

01:14:53.000 So this sounds like, like, imagine what cut the crap could have been with this kind of influence.

01:14:59.000 These songs are a little too all over the place for me outside of No Rush and Equals MC Square. 0.88

01:15:05.000 Nice hat, Nick.

01:15:08.000 They're in Queens.

01:15:09.000 Again, just down the street.

01:15:12.000 Aren't they?

01:15:13.000 Is that the big globe thing?

01:15:16.000 From World Fair?

01:15:18.000 Wait.

01:15:19.000 That I'm not sure.

01:15:20.000 That looks a little different.

01:15:25.000 The World's Fair.

01:15:32.000 Noft.

01:15:38.000 Everyone wants a second act.

01:15:41.000 Or else you were just that thing and you weren't the driving force.

01:15:44.000 To be totally honest, I was very concerned after Vice that I would just vanish and I wouldn't be able to do anything and I wouldn't have a second act.

01:15:53.000 And then with this punditry and the Proud Boys, I'm very happy that Vice wasn't my only thing.

01:15:59.000 In fact, most people are shocked to find out I had anything to do with Vice, which is ideal.

01:16:04.000 And Johnny Rotten had Pill.

01:16:06.000 And you can tell how happy Mick Jones is that he had a second act.

01:16:12.000 Joe did not, unfortunately.

01:16:16.000 Kept my feet on the ground.

01:16:20.000 Situation all the way.

01:16:23.000 Those are other hits.

01:16:24.000 Oh, you because I'm C Screw, but we won't sit there and talk about them too much. 0.99

01:16:27.000 So he was fucked, living in a cave, deeply depressed. 0.95

01:16:35.000 The future has not been written is a great documentary about Joe Strummer and those years and how there was no future. 0.99

01:16:40.000 And he was just crushed, the poor guy. 0.99

01:16:45.000 But you're playing with fucking fire. 1.00

01:16:48.000 You're playing with tornadoes. 1.00

01:16:50.000 You have this incredible power.

01:16:51.000 We're going to get to our incredible friendship soon.

01:16:55.000 Then in 99, he had the Mescaleros.

01:16:57.000 That's when I met him.

01:17:00.000 Micken and Joe did have a reunion in 2002 for a fireman benefit.

01:17:05.000 That must have been cool to see.

01:17:06.000 Sad I missed that. 0.98

01:17:08.000 I was fucking 32. 0.99

01:17:10.000 Wait, I knew Joe then. 0.99

01:17:12.000 Why didn't he tell me?

01:17:14.000 Do you have that one?

01:17:14.000 The reunion 2002?

01:17:18.000 That's the first time they'd played together. 0.94

01:17:20.000 I can tell Mick Jones was like, I forgive Joe, but I'll tell you what, the second I walk out of that studio, I'm never fucking playing with them ever again. 0.87

01:17:28.000 And then it was 2002, so it had been 85, seven years later. 0.94

01:17:32.000 No, 85, 90, 2002, 12.

01:17:36.000 It had been like 20 years. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Fuck, I suck it, man. 1.00

01:17:40.000 He left in 85. 1.00

01:17:45.000 Right?

01:17:46.000 Oh, 82.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, 20 years. 0.98

01:17:53.000 All right, that sucks. 1.00

01:17:53.000 The sound sucks. 1.00

01:17:54.000 It's not worth showing. 0.98

01:17:55.000 But you can see them happily vibing.

01:18:01.000 And he sort of, he replaced Shane McGowan in the Pogues for a while in 91.

01:18:05.000 He married that aristocrat in 95, and then with the Mescaleros in 99, he started getting it together.

01:18:10.000 And this is when I met him.

01:18:12.000 This is in 99.

01:18:14.000 And I met him because he was promoting the Mescaleros album.

01:18:18.000 And he had been sitting down in this hotel room doing interviews all day.

01:18:21.000 And the questions are like, so have you spoken to Mick Jones?

01:18:26.000 And how is this different from The Clash?

01:18:27.000 And what are you trying to achieve with Mescaleros?

01:18:30.000 And what is your inspiration? 1.00

01:18:32.000 And it's always the same shit. 0.99

01:18:34.000 And so I came in and I said, no, that was 2004. 0.99

01:18:39.000 I said, let's do do's and don'ts.

01:18:42.000 At Vice, my job was, one of my many jobs, at Vice, was to do these fashion critiques.

01:18:47.000 I highly recommend you steal this book, by the way.

01:18:49.000 Don't give Vice the money.

01:18:51.000 But it's just, it's pictures of people on the street and I make fun of their outfits.

01:18:57.000 Or sometimes I compliment their outfits and say they look fantastic.

01:19:00.000 So it's 50% do's, 50% don'ts. 0.75

01:19:02.000 I mean, this really defined the hipster movement because we gave them pictures, although, fuck, a lot of these pictures look low-res.

01:19:09.000 This was Warner Books weren't used to doing picture books, and I don't think they had competent staff. 0.95

01:19:15.000 So I'm seeing a lot of fucking, that's probably why I haven't looked at this in so long because I see so much printing mistakes. 0.75

01:19:24.000 But he loved it, and we got along great. 0.98

01:19:27.000 So zoom in on that.

01:19:29.000 What does that say?

01:19:29.000 Maybe I can read it on my phone.

01:19:32.000 Yeah, that's what I'll do.

01:19:33.000 I'll read it on my phone.

01:19:39.000 So that says I did the do's and don'ts with Joe Strummer.

01:19:46.000 And as was said in the intro of the book, I feel like he truly got the joker.

01:19:49.000 It's one of the few people I could ever see doing a better job than me at this.

01:19:51.000 I wasn't going to will this column to him when I died, but he died first.

01:19:56.000 His comments are in red text, and mine are just below it.

01:20:02.000 So the first guy there in the top left, he goes, there's a certain American style of wearing shorts that is absolutely awful.

01:20:09.000 And it's the same as the Spanish men. 0.96

01:20:11.000 You see how world traveled he is?

01:20:13.000 They stuff their shirts into their shorts with a belt through the loops.

01:20:17.000 It's not on.

01:20:18.000 And I go, we call that belt pride. 0.88

01:20:19.000 And he goes, this guy's obviously wearing the same shorts he's had since he was a baby.

01:20:26.000 And then the next one he goes, that is a really huge basket, really.

01:20:32.000 Filled with stuff, maybe.

01:20:34.000 They walk miles in Africa with that stuff on their head, and we never developed that ability here in the West. 0.98

01:20:40.000 Oh, yeah, she's got a basket on her head. 1.00

01:20:42.000 I didn't really realize that the first time around.

01:20:44.000 And then in the top left, I say that guy is in plaid, we call them a drum and bass hoser.

01:20:48.000 Oh, and then he goes, when we were doing earthquake weather in 89, we got addicted to Bob and Doug McKenzie.

01:20:53.000 It got so that everyone in the control room was a hoser.

01:20:56.000 I never dropped use of that word, and I never even knew what it meant until today.

01:21:01.000 Yeah, I told him what a hoser is.

01:21:02.000 A hoser is a Canadian redneck, but the term comes from making ice rinks in the backyard.

01:21:08.000 You would take your garden hose and you'd be sitting there hosing for hours and hours and hours, getting enough ice for your backyard skating rink.

01:21:16.000 So they called them hosers.

01:21:18.000 And from then on, without exception, every time he addressed me, he'd say, take off, you hoser.

01:21:24.000 And I was like, it's hoser.

01:21:27.000 It's not hosa. 0.98

01:21:30.000 I go, this is one of those jazz fan type guys.

01:21:32.000 Wait, what happened there?

01:21:36.000 This is the bottom left now.

01:21:38.000 Zoom in on these, Ryan.

01:21:41.000 Addresses himself 100% based on logic.

01:21:43.000 And he goes, he's brave.

01:21:45.000 We can say that.

01:21:47.000 Oh, and then here he is defending going through the garbage.

01:21:50.000 Is he going through that skip?

01:21:51.000 That's what they call dumpsters and garbage in general. 1.00

01:21:54.000 I know how he feels.

01:21:55.000 I can't resist having a look at other people's skip.

01:21:57.000 Bo Diddley and I can't see the other guy did the same, have the same obsession.

01:22:03.000 It's a sickness that most guitarists have.

01:22:09.000 I said to him, it's in my book, too, I talk about all these stories and I said, you seem like you just got out of jail.

01:22:15.000 Like even this, you go, oh, look at this.

01:22:17.000 We got a studio with a bar in it.

01:22:20.000 That's amazing, man.

01:22:22.000 We got to do something.

01:22:23.000 Here, let's...

01:22:23.000 We went to Niagara, the bar where they have his mural, and this kid comes up, and it's a punk bar, so they obviously recognize him.

01:22:29.000 And this kid comes up, he's petrified, he's probably 21 years old.

01:22:32.000 He goes, hey, are you Joe's?

01:22:35.000 Yeah, I'm Joe Strummer from the Clash.

01:22:39.000 And the guy's like, oh, I thought so.

01:22:40.000 Do you think we could get a photograph?

01:22:42.000 This is like 99, so there wasn't a lot of cell phones around.

01:22:45.000 And he goes, yeah, I got an idea.

01:22:47.000 Come on, let's go to the loo.

01:22:48.000 So they go to the bathroom.

01:22:50.000 I'm with them. 1.00

01:22:51.000 And they do a whole fucking photo shoot. 0.99

01:22:53.000 Joe takes off his shirt and gives it to the guy. 0.99

01:22:56.000 And then the guy puts on Joe's shirt.

01:22:59.000 And they're both dressed in each other's clothes.

01:23:02.000 And they're in the bathroom stalls doing like cool poses.

01:23:05.000 These kind of poses.

01:23:06.000 They did a whole...

01:23:09.000 So some kid somewhere in New York has like an entire photo shoot of him and Joe Strummer.

01:23:16.000 He could probably tell people, although now they'd say it's Photoshop.

01:23:19.000 Although, and there was Polaroids.

01:23:20.000 I had Polaroids of it somewhere.

01:23:22.000 That was the first picture you saw, actually, in these.

01:23:24.000 It was one of the Polaroids.

01:23:27.000 He could say he was in a band with Joe Strummer.

01:23:29.000 Anyway, let's finish these do's and don'ts.

01:23:30.000 These were funny.

01:23:32.000 What does he say about the guy in the scooter?

01:23:36.000 He goes, he's really moving that guy.

01:23:39.000 I like the shirt.

01:23:40.000 Coming out on the sh- coming out. 0.76

01:23:42.000 No, he goes, yeah, he's really moving that guy.

01:23:45.000 I like the shirt coming out the shirt.

01:23:47.000 Full points for that.

01:23:50.000 In a sweaty country, that would be excellent.

01:23:53.000 He says to the next woman. 0.91

01:23:54.000 And then he says, I really like the girl picking the fruit on the bicycle.

01:24:01.000 And I go, that's a guy.

01:24:03.000 And he goes, oh, yeah, you're right.

01:24:05.000 I'm blind.

01:24:06.000 You never needed glasses, have you?

01:24:08.000 I think I'm on the list.

01:24:09.000 I should go to Lenscrafters my next lunch hour.

01:24:12.000 That was my favorite one.

01:24:13.000 I'm not doing the delivery justice, but that's how funny he was.

01:24:17.000 Uh-oh, I got to go to Lenscrafters on my lunch break.

01:24:21.000 I can't see.

01:24:22.000 I need glasses.

01:24:23.000 And then he says of this girl sitting on the steps.

01:24:26.000 This is at PS1 in Long Island City in Queens.

01:24:29.000 Bottom left, Ryan.

01:24:30.000 What are you doing?

01:24:32.000 100 out of 100 on that.

01:24:34.000 It's all in the attitude, isn't it?

01:24:36.000 We're learning something here.

01:24:38.000 And then he goes, yeah, it's good.

01:24:41.000 About the shoes, that one's not amazing.

01:24:45.000 And then he says to the next guy with the motorcycle helmet, he goes, Look at his helmet.

01:24:48.000 That guy is tiny.

01:24:51.000 Come on, Ryan.

01:24:52.000 Keep up with me here.

01:24:54.000 We're done that. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Motorcycle helmet, you are a fucking torpid snail. 1.00

01:25:00.000 Next picture. 1.00

01:25:01.000 Next page.

01:25:05.000 There we go.

01:25:06.000 That guy at top left. 0.99

01:25:08.000 Anyway, the punchline has been gang raped. 0.98

01:25:13.000 The next one. 0.94

01:25:14.000 I must say I like the teletubbies.

01:25:16.000 Something about their way they wobble.

01:25:17.000 It's really endearing.

01:25:19.000 And he says about this guy in the fanny pack.

01:25:22.000 Okay, we've got a big problem here.

01:25:24.000 It couldn't be worse, really.

01:25:26.000 Appalling.

01:25:27.000 And we're the ones that have to look at it.

01:25:29.000 He's medieval, but without the pantyhose.

01:25:31.000 Get some hose on, you hoser. 0.99

01:25:36.000 And then he says of this guy, he's wearing jeans with sandals, which is obviously unacceptable.

01:25:41.000 I mean, sandals are always unacceptable.

01:25:43.000 He goes, that would be a good fashion shoot.

01:25:46.000 Sandals.

01:25:47.000 The Stone Roses had a vibe master, a dancer named Cressa that made them rich. 0.94

01:25:53.000 He is my sandal guru.

01:25:56.000 Now, this is the guy in the Stone Roses.

01:25:57.000 He was a viber.

01:25:58.000 Cressa would come out and he would just sort of dance with everyone and get the crowd going.

01:26:03.000 And he wore these Mexican sandals.

01:26:07.000 And Joe Strubber drew that.

01:26:12.000 He's my sandal guru, the only person that could ever convince me to consider wearing such horrible things.

01:26:17.000 I've been in the most vile conditions with him, and he always has them on, and they look all right.

01:26:22.000 He says, your feet are like your lungs.

01:26:25.000 I'd like to think I could pull that off, but I can't.

01:26:28.000 I haven't got the guts. 1.00

01:26:31.000 And then finally, we have this woman with big shoes, and he says, these shoes are a bit rich, but she wants to fuck you. 1.00

01:26:38.000 She will, it's not up to you. 0.99

01:26:39.000 You know, that her pad is in order and the kitchen looks good.

01:26:42.000 There's no filthy dishes, no newspapers stacked everywhere.

01:26:47.000 And then I said, she could cool us down if we were too high on Coke.

01:26:50.000 And he goes, yeah, we could stop gripping the table with our teeth.

01:26:53.000 We'd be in an oasis of tranquility.

01:26:55.000 Another 100 out of 100.

01:26:58.000 A real stride going on here with the most difficult footwear.

01:27:01.000 Sometimes I'm glad not to be a woman because I hate foot impediments strapped to the end of my extremities.

01:27:09.000 This bird's very far and moving dead fast.

01:27:14.000 If you want a good idea of what he's like, check out this.

01:27:19.000 He's in Atlantic City promoting a mescaleros show.

01:27:23.000 It's called This Sums Him Up.

01:27:31.000 We're almost at the end here, guys.

01:27:37.000 Let's put Captain Beefheart on all the guest lists from now on.

01:27:40.000 Just stop.

01:27:42.000 He loves Captain Beefheart.

01:27:45.000 Possibly the worst sounding musician in the history of all music. 0.98

01:27:49.000 I fucking hate Frank Zappa outside of maybe Valley Girl or Pajama People, yesterday's title. 0.99

01:27:55.000 But fucking Captain Beefheart is way more cacophonous. 1.00

01:27:59.000 It's just a fucking giant dumpster truck of sounds. 1.00

01:28:04.000 And Joe loves it. 1.00

01:28:10.000 Sounds like something, someone mocking.

01:28:13.000 Word might get to him or people might start seeing him around.

01:28:17.000 Excuse me, Gulls. 0.87

01:28:18.000 Trying to promote a rock and roll show tonight.

01:28:21.000 Rock and roll. 1.00

01:28:23.000 What do you think of my bitch mind? 1.00

01:28:24.000 You think it's too aggressive? 1.00

01:28:26.000 No.

01:28:28.000 You going anywhere tonight, gulls?

01:28:36.000 That's all you've got to have a hard shell.

01:28:38.000 Like Captain Beef said that one cold vibe won't stop this hill.

01:28:51.000 The crucial thing is when you make the pitch, like on this type of huckster businesses, the body space between you and the punter is very, very measured and very normal millimetres.

01:29:03.000 Some of the guys in my band.

01:29:08.000 They're English.

01:29:13.000 They're English.

01:29:18.000 Tonight, when are you going to go at 9 o'clock?

01:29:21.000 Trump Marina, the show bro.

01:29:23.000 9 p.m. sharp.

01:29:25.000 We begin playing.

01:29:26.000 You want to keep the flyer?

01:29:28.000 That's hand done by me.

01:29:31.000 Trying to drum up this.

01:29:32.000 This is when you can play the Trump Marina and it won't be a big deal. 0.99

01:29:35.000 Your liberal friends won't be like, oh, what are you doing at fool? 0.99

01:29:38.000 Yeah, he would have hated Trump. 0.98

01:29:40.000 That would have been the end of any relationship we had.

01:29:43.000 Okay.

01:29:50.000 You guys covered part of that song.

01:29:52.000 Yeah, we did the whole song.

01:29:53.000 All right, now they talk about Captain Beerheart, which is boring.

01:29:56.000 He gave me a little shout-out in one of his songs, Long Shadow.

01:30:00.000 He said, There's a little do's and don'ts reference.

01:30:04.000 I think it's Mescalero's.

01:30:08.000 What year was that?

01:30:10.000 When did he die?

01:30:11.000 2002?

01:30:18.000 Check it as well.

01:30:19.000 I'll tell you one thing that I know.

01:30:24.000 You don't face your demons down.

01:30:26.000 You gotta grapple them, Jack, and pin them to the ground.

01:30:32.000 The devil may care, maybe God he won't.

01:30:34.000 But better make sure you check on the do's and the don'ts.

01:30:40.000 Crawl up the mountain to reach that glimpse from the mountaintop where the soul of the music was.

01:30:49.000 2003.

01:30:50.000 So it came out after he was dead.

01:30:55.000 That was really weird.

01:30:59.000 Hearing a little Goodbye from an acquaintance after he's dead.

01:31:08.000 So I got a little shout-out for you, Josa.

01:31:12.000 And then I heard that after he had died. 0.85

01:31:14.000 It wasn't cocaine, it was just he had a shitty heart like Maddie Odell who died in 2002. 0.96

01:31:22.000 We went out to dinner one night. 0.92

01:31:24.000 This is in my book, too.

01:31:26.000 And the Black Crows were there.

01:31:30.000 And Joe was like, hey, how you doing?

01:31:33.000 All right.

01:31:34.000 He's just like, he's the host of the party.

01:31:36.000 Like, all right, you want to sit down there?

01:31:37.000 And then he, and Coulter's like this too.

01:31:39.000 All right, loud people go there.

01:31:41.000 Quiet people go in the middle.

01:31:42.000 You know, we want to organize this.

01:31:44.000 And then the Black Crows guy was starstruck, I think, the singer. 0.96

01:31:47.000 And he's like, I love me some pig. 0.80

01:31:52.000 I love me some roast. 0.99

01:31:54.000 And he's turning into a black dude. 0.91

01:31:56.000 And I go, and then at one point he says, he goes, I was getting on my nerves because he was hogging the whole night.

01:32:02.000 And I wanted to talk to Joe.

01:32:03.000 And everyone was like, all right, yeah.

01:32:05.000 And he's wasted. 0.99

01:32:06.000 And he goes, I'll tell you what, I'll eat a pig's ass if they cook it right. 1.00

01:32:10.000 And I go, that's Chris Rock. 0.99

01:32:12.000 What's his name?

01:32:12.000 Look him up, the singer of the black crows.

01:32:14.000 He's got a big floppy hat on.

01:32:15.000 Chris Robinson?

01:32:16.000 Chris Robinson.

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:19.000 Imagine Chris Robinson with a big floppy, funky hat on.

01:32:23.000 Oh, like the Jameriquai hat almost?

01:32:25.000 Sort of, yeah, with like lots of scarves.

01:32:27.000 Wait, that's the...

01:32:28.000 What are you doing?

01:32:29.000 That guy?

01:32:30.000 Counting crows? 0.99

01:32:31.000 Blacks, the counting crows singer. 0.99

01:32:33.000 Yeah, get the counting crows guy out of there. 0.96

01:32:37.000 So Chris Robinson's being all cool, rock and roll.

01:32:41.000 And then I thought his girlfriend was pretty cool, because after I said the Chris Rock thing, his girlfriend goes, yeah, Chris gets progressively more black the drunker he gets. 0.89

01:32:50.000 Again, 1999, back when you could joke around.

01:32:55.000 We went out that night and I kept in touch with him a little bit.

01:32:58.000 And the next thing I know, he's sending me a goodbye from the grave in the version of a song. 0.98

01:33:04.000 Pretty fucking sad. 0.98

01:33:07.000 But you know what's great is he made two beautiful daughters. 0.99

01:33:12.000 And, well, listen to this interview with his wonderful children.

01:33:15.000 And this is why I keep pushing you guys to have kids.

01:33:19.000 Because Joe's gone, but these girls will live on. 1.00

01:33:22.000 They'll have kids.

01:33:24.000 And in that sense, Joe Strummer will never die.

01:33:26.000 Of course his music lives on with us and inspires us forever.

01:33:29.000 But that can't hold a candle to DNA.

01:33:32.000 Look at these angels. 1.00

01:33:34.000 This is why I hate these stupid parties where you get your tubes tied. 1.00

01:33:39.000 This is what you're saying goodbye to when you don't have kids. 1.00

01:33:42.000 They're adults now, obviously.

01:33:46.000 Is it like the angel strong?

01:33:50.000 Well, we get asked this question a lot.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:33:54.000 It's actually quite normal.

01:33:55.000 Like growing up, it wasn't a big thing.

01:33:58.000 It wasn't sort of something.

01:34:01.000 We weren't aware that it was ever an issue.

01:34:04.000 We were, you know, we just had a father who was a musician and he was well known, but it never really occurred to us as being a big thing.

01:34:13.000 It was very normal.

01:34:14.000 Yeah, we weren't really like taught to idolise it.

01:34:16.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:34:17.000 It was just like he was our dad and that was it really.

01:34:20.000 I think later in life it's more of a...

01:34:22.000 Yeah, and also we grew up in a very creative environment.

01:34:24.000 A lot of our good friends, their parents were artists or musicians or performers in their own right.

01:34:31.000 So it was never anything out of the norm.

01:34:36.000 Had an unusual upbringing, so.

01:34:38.000 Yeah, lucky, very creative.

01:34:40.000 We're allowed to be very free and express ourselves and I think that's where we both kind of grew into our own sort of art forms, you being a musician yourself and me being a sort of DIYer.

01:34:53.000 Yeah, we were allowed to have total freedom of expression which was very lucky and perhaps unusual in hindsight.

01:35:04.000 Thank you.

01:35:05.000 Okay, that was the question.

01:35:08.000 Is that alright?

01:35:08.000 Did I answer it okay for you?

01:35:10.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:12.000 Anything else you want to ask?

01:35:14.000 Yeah, go for it.

01:35:17.000 You said you were brought out unusually.

01:35:21.000 We were given no rules.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, our dad had grown up from quite an authoritarian background, our grandfather being a diplomat and very concerned with sort of the world of academia.

01:35:32.000 And he was obviously quite a free spirit growing up and he kind of didn't, wasn't kind of confining himself to, you know, his kind of boarding school background and was a bit of a free spirit and a wild child.

01:35:47.000 And I think he had a lot of tension with his own father about this kind of relationship.

01:35:52.000 And so when we grew up, he decided that he was never going to read our school reports.

01:35:57.000 And, you know, we were totally allowed to do what we wanted.

01:35:59.000 And there were no rules implied whatsoever.

01:36:02.000 So Lola and I were left to just be completely crazy.

01:36:05.000 I think as a result, though, I was more concerned about my school reports.

01:36:08.000 Well, yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:36:11.000 Lola was very, very good at being kind of well.

01:36:16.000 We had to create our own rules in a way, which I think was good.

01:36:19.000 It helped us.

01:36:20.000 But you know, we both turned out incredibly sensible and so perhaps you know we're very well adjusted young women so I think in one sense that kind of total freedom really works.

01:36:34.000 You know it could have gone one way or the other but in our case luckily we've turned out all right.

01:36:41.000 Yeah we were naughty as children but who isn't you know is that okay?

01:36:51.000 That was so good.

01:36:53.000 And I'll end it with two things.

01:36:57.000 The last song we'll go out with is Mick Jones and Tony James.

01:37:01.000 Tony James was the genius behind Generation X. He wrote Dancing with Myself that gave Billie Idol a career.

01:37:07.000 So Mick Jones and Tony James have a band called the fuck is it called silicon carbon silicon carbon silicon I was going to say cobalt got cobalt on the brain from the farts so we'll end with that song Mick Jones is newest but um Horace Greeley was a newspaper magnate in in New York City in the Early 1900s, 0.84

01:37:31.000 1800s. 0.82

01:37:32.000 This is the first hardcover version of my book. 0.97

01:37:35.000 And he got fucked over by the people he worked with. 0.83

01:37:40.000 And he had the same divorce that Mick and Joe had, the same divorce that you're going to have with your project, group, business. 0.98

01:37:48.000 And the best thing you can do is, you know, try to keep everyone honest, be a handshake man, and make babies.

01:37:55.000 All of this will be dead and gone.

01:37:58.000 Like Neil Young is bitching about his music catalog on Spotify.

01:38:03.000 No one is going to know who Neil Young is when the baby boomers die. 1.00

01:38:06.000 And they're dropping like flies right now.

01:38:08.000 In 15 years, Neil Young's music is gone. 0.98

01:38:11.000 No one gives a shit about it. 0.99

01:38:13.000 So this is fun, and it influenced my life, but it's not going to influence yours, and my kids could give less of a shit about the clash. 0.98

01:38:20.000 So I'll end the show with Horace Greeley saying, fame is fleeting. 0.95

01:38:27.000 Popularity, an accident.

01:38:30.000 Riches take wings.

01:38:32.000 Only one thing endures, character.

01:38:36.000 And I would add to that, that the only reason that it's important to have character is because it's the only important thing, not fame, not money, not any of this, that you can impart to your children and leave as an impact.

01:38:50.000 Oh, you're going to make me cry with that little money.

01:38:54.000 So she's putting her head up now.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 And so is Joe.

01:38:59.000 Get fired.

01:39:00.000 Get in trouble.

01:39:02.000 Be brave.

01:39:03.000 And never stop fighting.

Get Off My Lawn - Gavin McInnes - February 08, 2022

S4E86 - THE STORY OF THE CLASH

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