00:09:15.560You know, the differences between the Crusades and the Islamic conquests is the Islamic conquests were basically, we're going to conquer anyone who's an infidel. And so what that meant is my immediate neighbor, which also meant I got all the resources. I'm not deep into enemy territory. Behind me are all my whole world, right?
00:09:34.920right i have an endless supply so i i'm here and i conquer here and then i consolidate then i go
00:09:39.960here and i conquer and that's exactly what they did but the crusaders for ideological christian
00:09:45.320purposes went all the way into the heart of it and became a tiny group that was continuously
00:09:51.960dwindling okay this is what gave rise to the military orders who really became the heart of
00:09:56.520it these guys who were just so utterly committed but and especially as europe became more and more
00:10:01.080secularized the numbers became ridiculous so habitually in these battles you would get a guy
00:10:06.760like saladin or baybars they would show up with just ridiculous amounts of numbers which makes
00:10:11.240sense because this is their homeland they can raise any number of armies and the crusaders
00:10:15.880are always limited to a few hundred thousand guys so if anything it's actually remarkable
00:10:20.360that they were able to hold out that long so we've been focusing a lot on the christian
00:10:26.280and muslims so where were the jews in this because obviously they were in the holy land and i mean
00:10:34.600we can see what happened to jewish people particularly with israel and so on and so forth
00:10:39.560but what role did they play in all of this were they seen as part of it or were they just
00:10:43.800marginalized and very much a second secondary player um well i mean it depends on which era
00:10:49.960and which country in which region so you know the jews are especially prominent in spain that's
00:10:55.400often where you hear about them because you had a large you know of course muslim control in the
00:11:00.760south and then you had the small christians in the north who began the reconquista from the north
00:11:05.400and spread downwards and then you had the jews mostly in the south where also other christians
00:11:09.560as them is lived um and it really depends oftentimes they were actually seen as working
00:11:15.320and siding with the muslims and in fact so for example when it came to you know the famous um
00:11:21.160expelling of muslims it was it was muslims and jews who were expelled in 1492 out of spain
00:11:26.920and it was kind of for the same reason because they were and this is another very complex topic
00:11:31.880but you know when when so we have to i guess we should talk about spain because it's really a
00:11:37.880microcosm of everything we're talking absolutely and you know and a lot of things are very clear
00:11:42.280when you look there but so as i said is spain gets conquered in the year 711 and before that
00:11:48.200it's christian okay it was ruled by the visigoths um and anyway a small remnant survives of these
00:11:56.200visitors and they get holed up in the north and some in the mountains of asturia in the northwest
00:12:01.400and even the muslim sources kind of say what are they going to do who cares let them live in like
00:12:05.400live up in that crag you know like a bunch of bums they're like they it's literally it calls
00:12:10.440them like 12 people living on honey anyway um before long they persevere the christians and
00:12:15.800and they start what's called the Reconquista,
00:12:17.460slowly kind of coming southwards and fighting.
00:12:20.240But before that, the Muslims in El Andalus, as it's known, okay, Spain,
00:12:25.340and that name, by the way, is, you know, the Vandals, like the Visigoths.
00:12:29.720The Vandals were another kind of dramatic tribe,
00:12:31.800but they entered into North Africa, so they were familiar to Muslims.
00:12:35.320And so when they came to Spain, you know, Visigoth, Vandal, same thing,
00:12:38.820but they just knew the word Vandal, so Vandal, El Andalus, became the name.
00:13:09.560And this goes on literally for centuries until, you know, Spain, it was known as the Spains because it was really just various kingdoms, Aragon, Castile, Leon, Portugal became its own.
00:13:21.980But when it gets unified with Ferdinand and Isabella, right, in the 1400s, they finally managed to get the last Islamic stronghold, which is Granada.
00:13:32.420And it's had like half a million Muslims.
00:13:35.360And what happened is they let them live.
00:13:38.260they said okay fine you guys can stay here you can even have your own islamic culture and your
00:13:42.260own law and whatever and what and but what happened is the muslims were always seeking to subvert so
00:13:49.140on the one hand they acted like they were friends or or being docile on the other hand they were
00:13:55.220conniving with the ottomans and the barbari muslims to help try to bring spain back to islamic rule
00:14:00.740And so in this context, some of them still talk about how they need to reclaim Spain.
00:14:11.160Like it's still a sore spot for a lot of the more radicals who refuse to call Spain, Spain.
00:14:20.400They still refer to Spain as Al-Andalus.
00:14:22.840And they talk about, it's so bizarre, the historical revisionism that some of these radicals engage in.
00:14:35.080They talk about the Muslim genocide in Spain, which is, you know, that's not what happened at all.
00:14:45.640The Spaniards basically reclaimed their country from the Muslim colonizers.
00:14:52.840This is when, this is why, so for example, you know, you hear these crazy things and the medieval Christians just look so intolerant and just evil, but here's the backdrop. So you hear how the Christians said, oh, you have to become Christian or get out. Well, that was because before that they gave them the right to do their thing.
00:15:12.000So the idea of Christianizing someone was not because I am a fanatic and I don't believe in
00:15:16.640you having your own faith. It was that you're never going to stop trying to kill me until you
00:15:21.100become like me. As long as you maintain that tribalistic Islam, which they understood,
00:15:25.920you're going to be, you're going to obviously work against me. So they came.
00:15:31.640Doesn't that kind of remind you of what's happening right now? I know some of you,
00:15:38.140some of you in the comments are saying all right like let's let's go to let's talk about jihad today
00:15:43.340and what's happening but in order to in order to fully understand and appreciate what's happening
00:15:48.940today and in order to fully understand why we're seeing a very very um steep rise in um islamic
00:15:57.980terrorist attacks or even foiled islamic terrorist attacks um you have to understand
00:16:03.660the context and what he just said, right? That's very important. I'm going to go back,
00:16:17.200listen to that part again, right? Because again, you have this historical revisionism,
00:16:23.480which is making it appear as if the Christians were very intolerant,
00:16:28.540you know and the Spaniards were very intolerant but the reason that they were acting that way
00:16:35.980is because prior to that they had I guess a live and let live attitude and that pretty much resulted
00:16:44.020in jihad so having learned their lesson once the Christians you know reclaimed their land
00:16:53.220they basically said, assimilate or get out. Here, let me go back a little bit.
00:17:04.360Spain, it was known as the Spains, because it was really just various kingdoms, Aragon, Castile,
00:17:10.040Leon, Portugal became its own. But when it gets unified with Ferdinand and Isabella,
00:17:16.200right, in the 1400s, they finally managed to get the last Islamic stronghold, which is Granada.
00:17:23.220And it's had like half a million Muslims and what happened is they let them live.
00:17:29.220They said, okay, fine, you guys can stay here.
00:17:31.220You can even have your own Islamic culture and your own law and whatever.
00:17:35.220But what happened is the Muslims were always seeking to subvert.
00:17:39.220So on the one hand, they acted like they were friends or being docile.
00:17:44.220On the other hand, they were conniving with the Ottomans and the Barbary Muslims to help try to bring Spain back to Islamic rule.
00:17:53.220And he says something very interesting there, and it kind of reminds me of how, like, even now, in a lot of these European Christmas markets that are happening, unfortunately, some of them are being cancelled due to potential threats, potential violence, potential terrorism.
00:18:15.640And we're also seeing videos and footage of certain radicalized groups, especially the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas jihadis, who are going to Christmas markets and they are protesting there.
00:18:36.320Um, they are, you know, mass public praying in front of Christmas markets.
00:18:43.000They are, um, they are trying to overwhelm the Christmas markets.
00:18:49.020Like we're seeing that literally happening today, right now, which, you know, is, is
00:19:51.960And taqeya in Islam is basically, you can, if you're under duress or being threatened
00:19:57.080by the infidel, you can lie, you can say, you can say anything.
00:20:00.500You can even engage, you can get baptized.
00:20:02.360you can engage in communion you can do all these things as long as in your heart you're still
00:20:07.180working you're still striving for islam um and then also overnight like half a million muslims
00:20:12.540from granada became christian and the the crown thought okay you know and but then what happened
00:20:18.620is generation after generation and you have the christians saying these guys were acting like
00:20:23.020they were better christians than us they literally just everything about them was more christian
00:20:27.420they went every sunday but then they found out they were still muslim at heart and still
00:20:32.000actually um clandestinely working to somehow subvert spain to islamic rule and so that's when
00:20:38.080it finally came to okay even if you convert it doesn't work so you have to leave okay now the
00:20:43.440jews are also alum and so the inquisition that's that was the the initial inquisition start in this
00:20:48.880context because you're saying i'm a christian but you're really a muslim right and they had their
00:20:54.800they have words for them both for the jews that were doing this and the muslims who were doing
00:20:58.800the morisco is the muslim and uh i forget the jewish word or the word for the jews that were
00:21:04.640doing morenos um anyway and um so the jews you know despite despite how things are today the
00:21:14.400jews were often actually conflated with muslims okay and and oftentimes they did work and help
00:21:20.880them not always and sometimes the muslims turned and attacked on the jews as well i mean so it's
00:21:25.600it's kind of complicated you can't say you know it was always this way or always that way
00:21:28.960um but for example when you know another famous instance where people attack the crusaders is
00:21:35.880during the first crusade the people's crusades or the peasant crusade went off track again and
00:21:40.540attacked jews okay and again the church and the nobles were against that because that's not but
00:21:45.820the logic was why are we traveling and suffering and going all the way there to fight these christ
00:21:51.100enemies when they're right here amongst us so yeah the you know the the jews in during this time
00:21:58.740sort of uh i think maybe they had a survival instinct and whoever whoever whether there was
00:22:04.260a christian or the muslim was doing better they probably would ally with or try to be on that
00:22:08.620be on their good side which kind of makes sense from a survivalist point of view
00:22:11.980so raymond we get we we've got to the point where we've got peak islam islam is at its strongest
00:22:19.820It is dominant across Southern Europe, North Africa, the Middle East.
00:22:24.660We actually haven't, though, just so you know, because I didn't even get into the Ottomans who conquer Southeastern Europe.
00:22:29.000We can talk about it or not, but I mean, that still isn't even the peak yet.
00:22:32.240Right. Well, I guess what I want to take this bit of the conversation now is Islam is dominant and remains dominant for many, many centuries.
00:22:43.600And as you say, all the way through to the Ottoman Empire, it gets as far as India.
00:23:03.640As far as the north of Russia, this guy conquered.
00:23:05.940One as far as Byzantium in the west, as far as China in the east.
00:23:09.320On him, the Mongols are the same, right?
00:23:11.480And then we arrive today, if you're born today, your instinctive understanding of the Muslim world is it's in the Middle East, objectively speaking, technologically quite backward, militarily quite weak, not dominant around the world.
00:24:59.560Oh, to the person on, I don't know, I guess, I think it was a YouTube chat.
00:25:04.260that was like you know flying the the flag of canada you know below the flag of iran is
00:25:11.900disrespectful to canada um first of all that's a very weird comment second of all if i was going
00:25:19.620to put the canadian flag above the flag of iran you guys wouldn't even see it in the first place
00:25:24.880so then then you would be complaining about how i'm not even showing the canadian flag so i mean
00:25:31.500just stop with the nitpicking stop with the complaining stop trying to um portray me as
00:25:40.160someone who um isn't a proud canadian and who doesn't love my country so yeah take your
00:25:48.600criticisms somewhere else let's go back a little to the colonial era because this is really where
00:25:54.820what this what you're just describing uh islam stays dominant and you're right uh people forget
00:26:00.580that islam especially the ottoman empire was the powerhouse you know it's it's ingrained in people's
00:26:06.580mind as if europe was always super powerful and everyone else all these brown people were just
00:26:10.420being abused and scared of europe it was the opposite okay as we discussed but especially
00:26:14.900with the rise of the ottomans and these guys last from you know 1300s to the 1900s and in 1683
00:26:22.020they're in vienna okay with two to three hundred thousand fighters surrounding it so i mean so
00:26:27.540keep that in mind we started off in the 600s with muhammad and the first attack on christian
00:26:31.860territory in 636 1683 now we're talking a thousand years later they're around vienna
00:26:38.180and uh they're using the same logic and rationale and they're talking about islam and jihad and you
00:26:43.140have three choices etc etc okay um and it's not even just at 1683 to bring it to this country
00:26:48.980the united states its very first war as a nation in uh in the as a nation meaning after independence
00:26:56.100from britain no need to rub it yeah i was trying to word it correctly here but um uh after that uh
00:27:04.420and now it's its own country its first wars with muslims the barbary wars and again they're acting
00:27:09.540exactly on the same logic and thomas jefferson this great paragon of enlightened thinking uh
00:27:15.220didn't know islam as well as he should have because when he met with what the barbary parts
00:27:19.700are doing is actually attack so this is very interesting because it goes back to the idea of
00:27:22.900jizya so a lot of these european powers and i'll get to i'll get to your point but i'm just trying
00:27:27.940to build it up to show you what happened but a lot of these european powers um instead of fighting
00:27:32.820with the barbari muslim pirates of north africa whose entire uh economy and consisted of slave
00:27:38.660raids on europeans as far as iceland they would go and enslave them uh started just paying them off
00:27:45.300which the muslims took as jizya tribute okay now when the us uh the united america broke away from
00:27:51.540britain it was no longer covered by britain's jizya payments and once the muslims found that
00:27:57.940out they started attacking american vessels in the atlantic and in the mediterranean and enslaving
00:28:03.300them and engaging all sorts of horrific you know abuses against them i talk a lot about that in one
00:28:08.180of my books sword and scimitar actually i have a whole chapter about it um because if you really
00:28:12.180read about what was happening to european slaves including these american ones it was really sick
00:28:16.660stuff anyway so that's what provoked the first war of america with the barbary but when jefferson
00:28:22.260and john adams met they tried to you know find a diplomatic solution so they met with um one of the
00:28:27.060ambassadors from barbary abdul something and um they say to him hey why can't we just have peaceful
00:28:34.340trade and work together etc typical americans and uh he basically he he sounds like an isis guy he
00:28:40.740goes our prophet and our holy book says you are the infidel you're the enemy and it's our right
00:28:45.300to plunder kill and enslave you until you acknowledge all alone okay so my point is uh
00:28:50.900just to give you a sort of totality we started in the 600s this is now 1800 first war of america
00:28:56.740same mentality same logic now what's interesting also about the 1800s is that same year around
00:29:04.260the first barbary war is around i think 18 or 1801 it starts and but in 1800 napoleon enters
00:29:10.420egypt or i'm sorry 1798 and he easily conquers egypt okay and this is known also as kind of the
00:29:17.220beginning of the colonial era so the colonial era you see islam go from this super powerful
00:29:23.300thing and it starts now it becomes now europe is super powerful technologically militarily
00:29:30.100economically and it starts spreading out and conquering its former foe people don't realize
00:29:35.620this but to the colonial powers a lot of them saw themselves as crusaders they were continuing the
00:29:40.980war i forget his name is it allenby but some guy came and uh you know when they entered and
00:29:45.460conquered syria went up to saladin's tomb supposedly and kicked it and said we're back
00:29:50.740meaning you know the franks or the crusaders are back so so a lot of these europeans they
00:29:55.540still understood it that way but why it happened i think because is the islamic world as i was
00:30:02.100kind of telling you its entire economy was based on war and plunder and slave and the slave system
00:30:08.420okay they never produced anything the way europe eventually went to especially technologically and
00:30:14.340militarily um so i think on once once any muslim region power is unable to conquer and plunder
00:30:22.420it has no economy and it starts falling apart and this happened before so the ottoman empire still
00:30:27.700persists and why does it persist because it westernizes whereas the rest of the middle east
00:30:33.460you know egypt and which was by then sort of run by the mamluks and all these other areas are
00:30:38.500completely now just spent you know uh there's nothing to plunder there's no economy everything's
00:30:44.420falling apart it's very easily taken over uh but but the ottomans they westernize which is ironic
00:30:50.740because the ottomans were the chief uh you know standard bearers of jihad they actually took to
00:30:55.540jihad and articulated it more than the arabs their forebearers did that was their thing okay and you
00:31:01.860know under adaturk they actually got rid of the arabic script took the roman alphabet dressed in
00:31:07.540roman attire i'm sorry not roman western attire shaved the beards etc etc so everyone became
00:31:12.980westward looking including you know the muslims who could because that was the way to you know
00:31:17.940win and the islamic way now that it is it it kind of spent it became a spent force at this point
00:31:24.820and it was kind of an anachronism really didn't have much kind of the way did things was no longer
00:31:30.580going to work in this new world with europe the way it was and uh so that's so the colonial era
00:31:37.380is a very important thing to keep in mind because uh you know these it's it's funny too again here
00:31:42.980we go the colonial colonial era and what happened nowadays is presented so horrible you know these
00:31:50.100evil european white guys going into you know these countries not just muslim countries india
00:31:56.020and colonizing but what's funny is if you read the written the writings of natives from the
00:32:02.660colonial era they talk about it as the greatest time this is the time when we had learning when
00:32:07.140we had medicine when we had science and technology because the europeans also brought this stuff with
00:32:12.420them they did right um whereas you know if you look at places that islam conquered there's places
00:32:17.540in spain where they had that constant war in the middle you know you had the christians in the
00:32:21.460north and that are just until now like infertile and just totally devastated because um so at least
00:32:28.420you know the europeans brought all this stuff and a lot of this is the time when so here's an irony
00:32:35.380you know when i think of when i think of uh religion or whatever someone becoming conservative
00:32:40.100and clinging to the old ways i just can't help but think that through time things become more
00:32:45.460liberal what's happening is actually the opposite in the islamic world if you go to the middle east
00:32:50.020in the 1930s way way more liberal and western looking than anything today the people weren't
00:32:56.900resentful they were actually trying to westernize they dressed like westerners they uh the women
00:33:02.820didn't have the hijab they dressed they were decent and not i don't mean in a promiscuous way
00:33:07.140but they dressed in dresses and they looked good men were in suits and tops yeah i mean
00:33:13.300I mean, he makes a very good point here. I mean, just look at, let me just pull up Iran in the 1930s. Like, this is going to blow your mind, guys.
00:33:22.560here we go let me um let me add this share screen okay
00:33:46.620so you know here is a photo of iranian women in the 1930s so the first members of iran's
00:34:02.080ladies association khanune bonovana iran circa 1930s so um yeah like he he makes a very good
00:34:11.440point that a lot of people who aren't from the middle east don't know um about and that's you
00:34:19.280know that people who aren't from the middle east think that um the way the middle east is now in
00:34:26.040terms of certain countries that have become incredibly radical um they didn't they weren't
00:34:31.920like that they were not like that before right i mean if you look at iranian women today how
00:34:37.620they're forced to dress versus what they looked like um in the 1930s right i mean the the this
00:34:46.300picture looks like it's from the future of iran even though um it is it is the past this is from
00:34:52.920100 years ago so um the middle east the middle east today is not what it was 100 years ago and
00:35:01.900And unfortunately, a lot of what has been happening is because of the rise of Islamic radicalism, which took over Iran in 1979 and then has been sort of spreading around to other places as well.
00:35:17.360And Iran is just one example. I mean, you can look at places like, you know, Iraq or Afghanistan or, you know, all these other places as well.
00:35:28.860But yeah, so there's, you know, there's a little bit of at least one example of what Middle Eastern people looked like in the 1930s. And again, this this is Iran here. All right, let's continue.
00:35:44.860Isn't they shaved? So Islam was sort of, uh, Islam's appeal.
00:35:51.020Oh, for, for the person that said, wasn't that only the very wealthy people who, you know,
00:35:56.760dressed, um, like Westerners? Absolutely not. Um, that's a lie that's put out by the Islamists
00:36:03.800and the jihadis, um, in order to try and legitimize their existence. And, you know,
00:36:10.160That's basically like they push that lie to try and convince people that like Iran, for example, wasn't modernizing.
00:36:21.120But no, everyone, everyone dressed like that in Iran, regardless of regardless of whether or not they were wealthy.
00:36:30.400I mean, I'm pretty sure I even have like.
00:36:35.420i don't know if i if i have posted um anything online let me see if i can find something um
00:36:46.620okay here we go here we go so here's one um i actually posted this picture on x um back in
00:36:55.180the summer so here's an example this is you know my family um my family and i you know
00:37:04.220I don't come from a rich family whatsoever. In fact, my father grew up poor and basically
00:37:14.240worked his way out of poverty. Oops, wait, let me, here we go. So here you go. This is literally
00:37:22.620my aunt and my uncle, okay? This is my aunt and uncle. This is them at their engagement party
00:37:30.920um in the early 1970s so there you go there you have it this is you know everyone everyone just
00:37:41.020you know dressed normal before the islamic dictatorship took over in 1979 so there you go
00:37:53.260There's there's, you know, an example from my own family and every single Iranian has photos, photos like this.
00:38:03.080So the, you know, that that lie about only rich people, you know, dressed in Western clothes, completely false.
00:38:13.600It's a myth. It's basically just what the Islamists and jihadis push out there to try and, you know, convince non-Iranians that, you know, the culture is Islam, even though it's the farthest thing from the truth.
00:44:05.660I mean, here in America, for example, this is the same logic behind where wherever I go, I don't just see English.
00:44:11.500I see Spanish and I see Arabic and I see, you know, Hindi.
00:44:14.280It's kind of like, well, most countries, it's actually perceived as a sort of weakness.
00:44:19.320And it's not something that makes these immigrant people respect you because that's not how they would be ever.
00:44:24.520if you come to their country you will you will you're the one who's gonna um assimilate that's
00:44:30.000the logic and that makes sense of course so um a lot of that is why the and it's even worse i think
00:44:36.480in europe and in america one of the the issues it's not just what you were saying another thing
00:44:41.040is that especially if it comes to muslims uh the numbers are so much smaller and what's happening
00:44:46.220in europe is they're just they're they're ghettoized there's so many and they just literally
00:44:51.140they live amongst each other they they don't even speak english or whatever the language let's say
00:44:54.900it's in in the uk english they may go whole days and weeks without needing to speak because everyone
00:44:59.620around them just speaks their language so they never assimilate and then they become sort of
00:45:03.940like a little enclave or a little ghetto and it's funny because there's actually a historical
00:45:09.060precedent to this and it's uh you know what he says is so true and this is why um immigration
00:45:17.700without assimilation will never work. And it's something that will always lead to disaster.
00:45:25.080You know, when my parents immigrated to Canada in 1986, they made sure to not only assimilate,
00:45:33.840but they also made sure that both me and my sister go to French immersion and learn French.
00:45:43.000My parents don't speak a word of French, but especially for my father, he recognized the importance of, you know, speaking both English and French, especially in Canada.
00:46:00.080And so he wanted to make sure that his daughters were fully integrated, fully assimilated.
00:46:06.100Um, so I actually speak three languages because I, I learned, um, I learned Persian at home
00:46:11.620and of course English. And then in school I learned French. So yeah, there you go. Um,
00:46:20.280and to this day, my father still proudly flies a large Canadian flag, um, outside of his house.
00:46:28.500in fact he's the only one on the block um who who does that so yeah i agree like um assimilation is
00:46:36.740is critical to ensuring um you know immigration works properly it's an arabic word which is called
00:46:45.300rabat it's a military term and a rabat is basically remember i was telling you muslim
00:46:50.020conquest they go as far as they can until they're stopped now wherever they're stopped they would
00:46:54.500form uh fortresses and barriers known as rebots rebots is actually like a word connected to the
00:46:59.940idea of a rope or a tight chain so they would form these fortresses and from there they would
00:47:05.060continue harassing the infidel whenever they can and just engaging in terror tactics or raiding
00:47:10.660them etc etc and their goal was to eventually conquer more land what i find interesting is a
00:47:15.860lot of these muslims in in the european cities they they see themselves actually as and i've
00:47:21.620seen them talk of themselves as we are robotists okay we are the jihadists who are forming a chain
00:47:27.700and now it's not it's not just on the border with infidel countries it's right smack in the middle
00:47:33.140of their cities because they've been allowed to come in um so they see themselves as actually
00:47:38.900jihadists and uh we're here where you see it all the time where they just throw it in the face of
00:47:43.540the natives of europe you know your country is going to be muslim in a few years you know you
00:47:47.860You guys, and it probably will due to demographic changes and birth rates and whatnot.
00:48:10.700So looking forward and looking at the immigration that's come in, but also Muslim birth rates in the UK and the West more generally, what can we see through this trajectory and where do you think is going to be the final destination, as it were?
00:48:28.960Again, that's going to, I guess, depend on the nation and the region we're talking about.
00:48:32.700And here's the thing, I guess the first thing I'd like to say is what's happening.
00:48:37.080Here's the difference between Islam historically and Islam today.
00:48:39.940the continuity is that Muslims are creating problems okay they did it
00:48:44.200historically the violence and the intolerance and the supremacism okay and
00:48:48.280it's happening now in the present the difference is historically like I said
00:48:52.000it was the jihad of force right they had they had no choice no one was gonna let
00:48:56.020him in so Europeans fought tooth and nail you know fight fighting to the death
00:48:59.560now the problem is I think you mentioned it earlier or I don't know who's you
00:49:05.500Francis but you talked about Muslims how they're very weak right now and you know
00:49:09.640they're not a, they're a weak force. Why are they a problem? And the answer is because the West
00:49:15.200makes them a problem or the specific country in the West, let's say the UK. Okay. All the problems
00:49:21.600that the UK is going through, for example, due to, or not just UK, much of Western Europe,
00:49:26.480it's all self-made. Okay. And you know that because I can look at an Eastern country like
00:49:30.680Hungary and it has none of these problems. Is that because Muslims tried to invade Hungary by
00:49:35.320force and somehow the hungarians resurrected john hunyadi and they and they beat them back
00:49:40.280no they just said no immigration we don't want it and guess what no problem so this is i think
00:49:46.360and this is why a lot of people get upset i remember i once wrote an article because a lot
00:49:50.760of people in the uk were complaining about you know there's an islamic invasion muslims are
00:49:54.600invasion and i basically said no get your terms right this is not an invasion an invasion is when
00:50:00.440people come by force and they're trying to take it this is an invitation okay this is an enablement
00:50:05.880from your leaders so i think it's very important my point is to i like to when i look at a problem
00:50:11.880you know not not veer off kind of um in tangents but get to the heart of it and the heart of the
00:50:17.160problem today with europe and islam it's really not the muslims i often give this analogy where
00:50:22.280like um i say imagine a enclosure of zebras and i all of a sudden decide to put a line and and lo
00:50:28.840Lo and behold, the lion starts killing the zebras.
00:50:31.280Who's really at fault, me or the lion?
00:50:43.860But why are they being brought in with all these massive numbers?
00:50:48.260Why are the native Brits, let's say, or Europeans in general,
00:50:52.200being their heritage and their religion and their cultures being suppressed
00:50:55.600to make room for these people in the name of some sort of amorphous tolerance or, you know,
00:51:00.680multiculturalism, which is obviously not working. So my point is the ultimate, if you want to talk
00:51:05.640about trajectories, it depends really on the countries. And it's actually in a way easily
00:51:10.120fixed if the actual supposedly elected representatives of these various nations
00:51:16.740do the will of the people, but they're not. And that's really the issue. So I would tell people,
00:51:22.420you know your islam problem is less about muslims and it's more about the people who are enabling
00:51:27.940and empowering them and bringing them in against your will these are the people who have the same
00:51:32.160names like you and they look like you and they are apparently you know ruling in your name but
00:51:36.900they're obviously not and it's you know it's it's become very obvious right now so i think people
00:51:41.920should look at the ultimate source of the problem islam is a problem intrinsically you can say that
00:51:47.280But now there's an instrumental there's an instrumental force empowering it, which is, like I said, why in other countries, Poland and Hungary, it's not an issue.
00:51:56.360And, you know, it can be fixed or I mean, it's not going to be easy now, obviously, but something can be done if the actual elected officials care to do it.
00:52:05.380But they don't. So but so you've used the example of Poland or Hungary and they're relevant.
00:52:10.180But don't you think part of it as well, Raymond, is for want of a better term, white guilt?
00:52:15.140You know, we went, the British went out, we colonized, we colonized a lot of these countries and a lot of the Islamic immigration into the UK is from Pakistan and Bangladesh, both former colonies.
00:52:27.700So that must play its own role as well.
00:52:29.740Oh, yeah, the white guilt. But I mean, that is to me the most contemptible of all factors that really needs to go away.
00:52:35.440This is white guilt. I never understand it.
00:52:37.560You know, I did a recent like study about because we have Columbus Day here.
00:52:41.780You know, speaking of white guilt, I agree. I don't understand it either. Like, I don't have
00:52:49.860Iranian guilt. I don't feel guilty about my history or my beliefs. I actually just posted
00:53:03.580a video before i started my live stream um on my my youtube channel and the video is called um
00:53:11.740stop apologizing for the crusades um your you know this whole concept of white guilt was basically
00:53:20.860created in order to manipulate um white people in western countries uh into basically opening up
00:53:29.740their borders um to people who are not necessarily there um to make your country a better place
00:53:39.020so like you guys need to get over the whole white guilt thing and you have to like stop
00:53:45.820stop allowing people to make you feel guilty about your history or anything like that and
00:53:51.740You know, even when it comes to colonization, the Arab Muslim invaders are the biggest colonizers in the world.
00:54:01.540And they have been colonizing for 1400 years and they are still colonizing to this very day.
00:54:11.540And when people talk about the slave trade, the transatlantic slave trade, okay, fine. What about the Arab slave trade that lasted even longer and involved even more people? Oh, and by the way, by the way, the reason that slavery is now frowned upon is because of white people.
00:54:32.880It was the white people who said, OK, you know what? Enough is enough. Let's ban slavery. And so when white people ended their slavery, then they forced other slave trade, slave markets to to eventually end as well.
00:54:50.320So, you know, people people just like to put this white guilt on on white people as if no one else has done anything bad in history.
00:54:59.900And then everyone seems to just conveniently forget that it was white people themselves who decided to end slavery, you know, as part of like the concept of modernization.
00:55:12.380right um the american civil war for example the american civil war was fought over um
00:55:18.420was it the civil war i don't know one of the wars sorry i'm not american but you know what
00:55:22.820i'm talking about um the war where it was like the north versus the south um and that was basically
00:55:27.480fought over banning slavery right um and uh yeah ripple ripple effect you're absolutely right
00:55:34.840there's still there's still slavery in in muslim countries today right like look at qatar qatar is
00:55:41.140full of of slaves so you know um so this whole concept of white guilt just like it it it needs
00:55:52.740to end it needs to end i definitely agree with with raymond ibrahim on this and uh okay someone
00:55:58.280said okay so it was a civil war okay so i was i was right i was right about that um so yeah all
00:56:04.700right there you go all these people get up and all you know hemming and hawing all horrible columbus
00:56:09.620and what he did to the natives, etc. In fact, and Muslims are doing this too. And my point is like
00:56:14.180talking about living in glass houses, all their heroes did far worse than Christopher Columbus.
00:56:18.740So my point is, whatever the white man's guilt, it's the same thing's been done to him and to
00:56:24.760everyone else. Okay. Whites were enslaved by blacks. Whites were, you know, conquered. And
00:56:30.580I told you Muslims, Moors, as they were known from North Africa because of their dark skin,
00:56:35.400went all the way to Iceland, very fair people, and enslaved them in the 1500s. And by England,
00:56:43.020there was a little island, maybe no, called Lundy, which actually was a haven of Barbary pirates who
00:56:47.880would actually raid and enslave British people. So my point is this white gilt is really manufactured
00:56:53.740and it needs to be seen for what it is. If anything, I mean, being objective, I was just
00:56:59.180telling you that the colonial era, which is the white man, they actually, okay, you can say they
00:57:03.660conquered uh whatever the muslim world india deep into africa but they actually brought good stuff
00:57:09.260with them okay this is which is why the native population speaks well about that time like they
00:57:14.220brought science and technology and you know literacy medicine etc okay what did now the
00:57:21.020other people were talking about that conquered including the conquered europeans brought nothing
00:57:25.260but death destruction and slavery okay so when it's all said and done i don't think there's much
00:57:30.460for the white man to really feel guilty about and i say this as a guy as a guy who doesn't think of
00:57:34.460himself as white by the way okay so i'm just trying to be as objective as possible and uh and
00:57:39.660but see the fact that this exists and i'm glad you brought it up just shows you how far gone
00:57:44.300so many white people are that they're so caught up in something so silly that all these other
00:57:48.540peoples who are not white would never even think and shouldn't think of something like that to
00:57:53.500actually govern how they see the world that oh my forefathers did something so england is bringing
00:57:58.540pakistanis in because they feel bad because they colonize pakistan i mean that is just
00:58:04.380such silly and stupid thinking environment um i'm just gonna pause there because i have a start
00:58:09.820comment uh in the youtube chat so i just want to bring that up um so dorman says hello and salam
00:58:17.820to all the beautiful persian people out there i don't understand these alliance of communists
00:58:22.300with Islamists around the world while both have opposite ideologies. So I've spoken about this
00:58:29.260in my previous live streams. Let me make a note here so that I can make a short video about this
00:58:36.780because it seems like the short videos that I make have more views. So let me just write this
00:58:43.620down first before I forget. And then I'll explain to you very briefly. Okay, so in a nutshell,
00:59:02.500the reason that you're seeing an alliance between communism, Marxism and Islamists is because they
00:59:11.300are both united in their anti-imperialist rhetoric and narrative. So both of these ideologies
00:59:21.100strive to destabilize and overthrow Western civilization. Now, of course, the communists
00:59:30.060and Marxists wanted to go the communism route. The Islamists want to conquer it in the name of Allah
00:59:35.920and, you know, make it part of the, make a part of their Islamic caliphate. So that's the difference
00:59:44.280there. But they are united in their anti-imperialist narrative. In fact, so we Iranians, we call it the
00:59:52.400unholy alliance of the red and the black, red being the communists and Islamists and, sorry,
00:59:58.400red being the communists and Marxists and black being the Islamists. And in fact, it was this
01:00:04.160exact unholy alliance of the red and the black that destabilized Iran from the 1950s until
01:00:15.520the 1970s and then they eventually were successful in overthrowing the Shah and
01:00:23.520you know taking over the country and then as soon as as soon as they went into power the Islamists
01:00:31.440took over immediately um and then they basically murdered a whole bunch of the progressives and
01:00:37.200socialists and communists and marxists right so um yeah the the um the far left have always been
01:00:44.960the useful idiots for the islamists and the jihadis and the reason that you're seeing it again today
01:00:52.080is because they are united in their anti-imperialist rhetoric and narrative um so i hope
01:01:00.080That's, you know, in a nutshell, how and why these two ideologies are united.
01:01:07.800But I made a note and I will make a video about it and I will upload it to my YouTube channel.
01:01:13.720But thank you for the question and thank you for the support.
01:10:47.680This plan was presented as evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terrorism trial ever in the history of the United States, where our government handed down 108 guilty verdicts to Muslim Americans and Muslim organizations in America, raising money in the United States and sending it overseas to support terrorist activity overseas.
01:11:13.340And I'm going to read you a paragraph about their intention in the United States and how they describe their work.
01:11:20.440Number four of the paragraph is titled, Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brother in North America.
01:11:27.300And it says, the process of settlement is a civilization jihadist process with all the word means.
01:11:35.200The Ikhwan, which is the Arabic word for brothers, must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religion.
01:12:02.520As you can see, they don't mince words.
01:12:07.680They tell you exactly what they want to do.
01:12:10.620They go in detail in this booklet talking about how they are going to implement their plan
01:12:15.920and the organizations that they had set up in the United States
01:12:20.140in order for them to advance their plan in America.
01:12:23.820And here are the names of some of the organizations.
01:12:27.100They give the names of 29 organizations set up in America to do that.
01:12:33.040So I'm going to read you some of the names.
01:12:35.300ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America.
01:12:38.340If the name sounds familiar, it's because ISNA used to be advisors to President Obama about Middle East policy.
01:12:46.820So now you understand where signing the nuclear deal with Iran came from and why Obama was all over himself trying to appeal to the Iranian regime, even them sending them pallets of cash in the middle of the night on an airplane, landing in an airport in the middle of the night, millions and billions of our tax dollars.
01:13:08.360number two on the list is the for the record um iranians actually despise obama especially
01:13:16.660iranians in occupied iran because um obama threw the islamic republic a lifeline when the islamic
01:13:23.680republic was so close to to being overthrown by the iranian people and uh the reason that the
01:13:30.960iranian people weren't able to overthrow the islamic republic back in like 2009 2010 is
01:13:37.540because obama listened to that that muslim group in the united states isna um isna is a supporter
01:13:45.860of the islamic republic that's occupying us iranians and so um yeah yeah that was a big big
01:13:53.300big betrayal um not a betrayal only of the iranian people but a betrayal of the american
01:14:00.820people because the islamic republic is one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism
01:14:05.620in the entire world and so for obama to put the interests of the islamic republic
01:14:12.260um you know like forget about iranians forget about iranians who are fighting to overthrow
01:14:17.140the islamic republic the fact that obama put the interests of a brutal islamic dictatorship that
01:14:22.820yells death to america over the the safety of american citizens to me that's like that's pretty
01:14:28.980much treason um and you know one of the reasons that i speak out a lot about the islamic republic
01:14:36.020and you know iranian people trying to overthrow the islamic republic um and you know trying to
01:14:41.220raise awareness about this is because what's happening in iran is directly linked to western
01:14:48.660societies because as long as the islamic dictatorship is in power they are going to have
01:14:55.220unlimited resources and unlimited access to money this is the money that should be going to the
01:15:00.580iranian people right away instead right but uh what they are doing is they're basically using
01:15:06.900iran's resources as an atm to fuel their terrorism and jihad around the world and they actually have
01:15:16.740various lobby groups in the united states you know isna being one of them there's also the
01:15:21.380National Iranian American Council, Nayak. These are pro-Islamic regime lobby groups. And these
01:15:28.060lobby groups are basically there to convince American politicians to negotiate with the
01:15:36.280Islamic Republic and try to mediate or whatever. Their job is basically to make sure that the
01:15:42.880Islamic Republic remains in power so that the Islamic Republic can continue fueling their
01:15:49.200jihad against the West. So just wanted to point that out there. It's also one of the reasons why
01:15:54.600many of these groups come after us Iranians who speak out against the Islamic Republic,
01:16:01.400because they do not want the rest of the world to know that Iranians are fighting to overthrow
01:16:08.760the Islamic dictatorship. They want the rest of the world to think that, you know, we're all just
01:16:14.780a bunch of like you know jihadis who support the islamic regime meanwhile the islamic dictatorship
01:16:20.860has i would say maximum maximum maybe 10 support and a lot of people ask you know why are they
01:16:28.060still in power well they're in power because they are a totalitarian dictatorship and when
01:16:33.980they came to power in 1979 the islamists created a separate paramilitary group called the islamic
01:16:41.660Revolutionary Guard Corps. And the purpose of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is to
01:16:47.600make sure that the Islamic regime remains in power. And so the current Iranian military is
01:16:54.660heavily underfunded. All the resources go to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. By the way,
01:17:00.440the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is now a listed terror entity in Canada and the United
01:17:05.600States. But but the influence is still there. And so I just wanted to point that out, because
01:17:10.960when when she's talking here about ISNAH, right, like ISNAH, like these groups are actively working
01:17:18.420against the interests of Americans. Right. So let's go back. Now you guys have a little bit
01:17:25.680of context. And again, this is this is why they hate us Iranians. This is why they don't like us
01:17:31.860speaking out um and calling out their islamic terrorism because we know exactly what's going
01:17:37.780on we have been dealing with it for the last 47 years given that our country is under um islamic
01:17:44.420occupation all right and we're signing the nuclear deal with iran came from and why obama because
01:17:52.100isna set up in america to do that so i'm gonna read you some of the names isna the islamic
01:17:58.340Society of North America. If the name sounds familiar, it's because Isna used to be advisors
01:18:05.520to President Obama about Middle East policy. So now you understand where signing the nuclear
01:18:12.740deal with Iran came from and why Obama was all over himself trying to appeal to the Iranian
01:18:19.100regime, even sending them pallets of cash in the middle of the night on an airplane landing in an
01:18:26.160airport in the middle of the night, millions and billions of our tax dollars. Number two on the
01:18:32.080list is the MSA, the Muslim Student Association. The Muslim Student Association has chapters
01:18:38.800all over American universities. So today when you are watching all these demonstrators in our
01:18:44.940American universities screaming death to the Jews, we hate the Jews, from the river to the sea,
01:18:51.320Gaza will be free, or Palestine will be free.
01:18:54.820Now you understand where that is coming from.
01:18:59.540Number eight on the list is the North American Islamic Trust.
01:19:03.760The North American Islamic Trust owns 90% of mosques in the United States.
01:19:10.120Number 22 on the list is IAP, Islamic Association for Palestine,
01:19:15.880which later became CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations.
01:19:21.320now when you read all this stuff you think to yourself how can this happen does our government
01:19:27.560know about this stuff we've been talking i have been talking about these things for 50 over 15
01:19:34.600years this is detailed in my book they must be stopped which came out in 2008 detailing this
01:19:43.540plan when i used to talk about these things i was accused of being an islamophobe people called me
01:19:49.380a hater. Nobody wanted to listen. When I was warning about the Muslim student associations
01:19:54.960on college campuses and the money coming from the Middle East funding a social study department,
01:20:01.460a political science department, and appointing professors who are anti-America and anti-Israel
01:20:06.740to teach that Israel is evil, America is bad, and the Islamic world is the underdog,
01:20:12.560and the Palestinians are the oppressed, nobody wanted to listen. Nobody wanted to pay attention.
01:20:17.780So today, when you see all these people organized on the streets in the United States, hating Israel, hating the Jewish people, hating America, tearing down American flags and the pro-Palestinian demonstrations in New York City.
01:20:33.480Now you understand where that is coming from.
01:20:46.940So Dorman, thank you. I really appreciate your videos. I like your videos. Thank you so much for that. Don't understand why I don't see any so-called moderate Muslims never condemn any attacks. In fact, I have seen many celebrating. It is very frustrating. I mean, all I can say is actions speak louder than words.
01:21:09.960and uh yeah yeah we we do see um a lot of them celebrating and it is very concerning um
01:21:20.600yeah i mean it's it's it's a very good question to to ask them right i mean
01:21:26.440i guess all i can say is when when when people show you who they are believe them right um all
01:21:32.520All right, so let's get back to the podcast here.
01:21:38.840So I hope that Bridget Gabriel's video there gives you a bit of context
01:21:44.360so that when Raymond Ibrahim is talking about this FBI case,
01:21:58.460And the difference that the Muslim Brotherhood and these groups have,
01:22:01.080So, for example, in the writings of Ayman al-Zawahiri, which I translated from Arabic way, way back, almost two decades ago, he complained about the Muslim Brotherhood because they're too patient and they take a sort of incremental approach and they don't want to do jihad, which is, in fact, what makes them more dangerous.
01:22:16.000So he was more representative of the sort of ISIS thing, which is, I want to do jihad now, you know, I want to go kill the infidel. Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood is sort of, it's just a subversive kind of power. And I don't know if you know, but the FBI actually caught some documents back in 2009 that actually are from the Muslim Brotherhood, talking about how they're waging a civilizational jihad in America, trying to subvert, etc, etc.
01:22:41.680and all these organizations that are branches from it, like CARE, the Council on American
01:22:45.420Islamic Relations. So these are the groups that are engaged in what I told you, the jihad
01:22:49.000of the tongue, the jihad of the pen, the jihad of, you know, the money. They're all working
01:22:54.000for the same purpose that ISIS is, but through legal measures, you know, through propaganda
01:22:59.120and whatnot. And I know that to someone who is as in depth with all this stuff as you,
01:23:03.580these questions may sound kind of naive, but what do they want exactly? Like if they keep
01:23:11.240We just had several terrorist attacks, actually, in the UK.
01:23:15.840Just a guy goes up to somebody in the street, stabs him.
01:24:51.940Crash into them, decapitate them, and throw terror in their hearts.
01:24:56.040And everyone in the Arab world said, see, this is not a real ISIS.
01:24:59.700But on the other hand, what they are teaching is in the Quran.
01:25:04.120So Quran 9.5, famously it's known as a sword verse, and it tells Muslims, it's actually, remember I was telling you about Jefferson talking with an ambassador?
01:25:15.180That verse says, when the forbidden months are passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, the pagans, lay in wait for them, ambush them, terrorize them.
01:25:24.720So what you're saying is, and correct me if I'm misunderstanding, this is not strategic, this is doctrinal.
01:25:30.880Yeah, from the Islamic State, that's what I would argue.
01:25:33.860And this is why a lot of other Muslim groups who have the same goal, they'd like to see Islamic hegemony around the world, don't take that route.
01:25:43.020Because to them, even Al-Qaeda, for example, which is ISIS, when I translated the writing, so what they said to the West was, we're doing this because you attacked us.
01:25:52.900We're doing this because you supported Israel.
01:25:54.580We're doing this because you didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol.
01:25:58.540Seriously, it was a grievance after grievance.
01:26:00.520And it had nothing to do with doctrine.
01:26:02.900then the writings i came across this is my first book the al-qaeda reader which came on 2007 and
01:26:08.180the reason it was a kind of a big deal at the time i was working the library of congress and i came
01:26:11.380all across these arabic writings by osama bin laden and amin zawahiri and they said not they
01:26:15.700now they sounded like isis and it was where we hate them not because of what they do it's because
01:26:20.260they're infidels and we have to hate the infidels and we have to fight them and we have to do jihad
01:26:24.500okay so even al-qaeda was smart enough to you know play the double game and and say hey we're
01:26:30.980we're only doing this to you because you you hit us first but isis is is so to me i always say the
01:26:36.420refreshingly honest but in a way that doesn't really help the cause as a lot of muslims point
01:26:42.420out because what you're doing is you're sort of exposing us and yeah when you go and you stab
01:26:47.220toddlers in the uk or whatever what is that how's that helping from a strategic point so it's it's
01:26:52.980a it's a good question i suppose the interesting question for me is how do we move forward with
01:26:58.580given the realities that we have. And one thing that I have some hope for, but I want to run it
01:27:05.220by you and get your perspective is we do see that in some Middle Eastern countries like the UAE,
01:27:12.420like Saudi Arabia, also in Central Asia, like I mentioned, I was in Uzbekistan,
01:27:17.540they don't tolerate the, you might not agree about the terminology, but they do not tolerate
01:27:23.060violent jihadis they themselves know that they are the first target of these jihadis
01:27:29.780and they actually deal with the muslim brotherhood they deal with all of these terrorist adjacent or
01:27:35.700actual terrorist organizations they don't allow preaching extremist versions of islam and mosques
01:27:42.100in uzbekistan if you want to work for the government you can't have a beard uh you can't
01:27:46.420wear not just a hijab you can't even wear a headscarf of any kind if you're a woman so do you
01:27:54.180think that there is some hope that because of this kind of thing the muslim world the the center of
01:28:01.860gravity in the muslim world will move towards a more uh a less extreme and more moderate version
01:28:09.540of of the of the faith you mean if more muslim nations act more like central asian nations
01:28:14.340Yeah, or like the UAE or like Saudi Arabia increasingly, right?
01:28:18.860Do you think that that will move the center of gravity towards a different kind of Islam
01:28:23.780and therefore a different kind of relationship between Islam and Christianity?
01:28:27.380Yeah, if Islam can be changed, okay, and immediately I'm struck with a quote from the Encyclopedia of Islam,
01:28:33.420which was written by a jurist, and he said,
01:28:36.160Islam needs to be completely made over for the doctrine of jihad, which it defined as what I defined,
01:28:41.320which is unprovoked warfare to conquer the world, okay?
01:28:44.200he said it had to be remade over can that be done i suppose um but it would not it would no longer
01:28:50.520really be islam and i think i mean if you look around at certain versions of christianity i mean
01:28:56.120that's the case there that's not historic christianity so i suppose that can be done um
01:29:02.280you know the examples you gave of these central asian countries it's very interesting because
01:29:06.440you know they are nominal muslims but like you said they're the first ones who clamp down on
01:29:10.760that stuff because they will be the first victims it's even the muslim brotherhood is outlawed in
01:29:15.240egypt where it was born right but at the same time sisi and his government pays a lot of lip service
01:29:20.360and is engaged in islamizing egypt and he will ally with the cellophies who are actually more
01:29:26.280ideologically draconian than muslim brotherhood so there's a lot of kind of like shifting back
01:29:30.760and forth with how this works but you know the bottom line is islam is what islam is okay and
01:29:36.440unlike other religions it's very black and white you know the the whole concept the problem with
01:29:41.160western people is they project their own religion kind of and then they're convinced that for
01:29:46.040example christianity is you know separation of secular and spiritual you know caesar and the
01:29:51.720coin and whatnot but that's not islam islam is not us it's not about the condition of your heart and
01:29:57.000the relationship you have with god it's actually all about the law it's legalistic and uh in fact
01:30:03.560and everything in islam is there's five you know either it's forbidden you can't do it's disliked
01:30:09.320you shouldn't do but you can technically it's neutral you can or don't have to do it's
01:30:13.880recommended you should do but you don't have to or it's obligatory everything in life so islam
01:30:18.760really permeates so can it change can they re-articulate it i suppose but you're always
01:30:24.040going to have the hardliners who say hey that's not what our book says that's not what the quran
01:30:28.120says it's not what muhammad said in the hadith um so i think it would actually be easier to just
01:30:33.480snuff it out altogether um from muslims themselves in other words i always find the apostate more
01:30:39.800honest with himself or herself than the moderate muslim and uh because the apostate is kind of like
01:30:46.120you look i'm not gonna kid myself it is what it is and i don't want to be like that whereas the
01:30:50.600moderate you know they engage in so all these um sort of uh intellectual gymnastics in their head
01:30:55.640to get by i mean if muhammad himself in a canonical hadith says whoever the apostate kill him
01:31:02.920okay or you know uh or in the quran itself you are allowed to you're it's permissible for man
01:31:08.280to have sex slaves infidel female sex slaves as many as your right hand possess okay these sorts
01:31:14.360of things if if i'm a muslim and i don't want to accept that for example you know what do you do
01:31:20.120with those verses and i often watch in arabic these clerics and that's what they say remember
01:31:25.720i was telling you about um the one guy who was basically saying yeah if you're married to a
01:31:29.240christian you can but you have to hate her and yeah lo and behold a lot of the people sitting
01:31:33.400there were kind of questioning like are you serious and he finally gets frustrated he goes
01:31:37.080well it's written you know what do you do with the verses that i just quoted including you know you
01:31:40.680gotta hate and abraham and whatnot so the crux of the matter is the religion itself which is so
01:31:45.960easily identified and clear-cut teaches what we call radical things okay um they're only radical
01:31:52.640from our perspective subjective perspective they're not radical from a muslim point of view
01:31:56.700well but that's where that's exactly the point i'm putting to you which is it clearly is radical
01:32:00.860from the perspective of the rulers of the uae from the rulers of saudi right right it's radical
01:32:05.000because it's radical to them because they can suffer from it because they're not seen as
01:32:09.880legitimate muslim rulers right and at the same time they have to pay lip service to islam so
01:32:14.680In other words, a lot of these rulers are just not Muslim at heart, obviously, but they govern Muslims.
01:32:21.100So they want to create the most, you know, on the one hand, they want to be legitimate and show their legitimacy as, hey, I can be your ruler.
01:32:29.300And which means they have to kind of let, you know, let the pot kind of steam come out a little bit so the Muslims can feel this is actual Islam.
01:32:36.940And on the other hand, they've got to kind of clamp down on certain teachings.
01:32:40.140So that's why a lot of these rulers are often just denounced as puppets of the West and not true Muslims, including the ones in Saudi Arabia who are actually nominal Wahhabis, which is as radical as you can get.
01:32:53.500And in fact, they do disseminate and play a huge role in sort of disseminating jihadist literature.
01:33:00.160And they're still hated and seen as pawns of the West.
01:33:03.840Raymond, I'm going to ask a provocative question, but I think it's an important one.
01:33:07.280do you think so i like how after everything that's been discussed now they think they're
01:33:16.160asking a provocative question so let's see let's see what um what he has to ask the only reason i'm
01:33:24.760not commenting too much guys is because i pretty much agree with everything he's saying so um i
01:33:29.680don't want to interrupt i don't want to ruin ruin the flow like if he says something that i like
01:33:33.700completely disagree with or if there's something he says that i want to follow up on i'll let you
01:33:37.640guys know i just don't want to like ruin the flow of of the conversation there i think the religion
01:33:42.400of islam is compatible with the west no it's not and if you mean by the west the sort of oh okay
01:33:50.240wow he's just putting it out there good for him all right you know what this is see this is why
01:33:56.280i don't talk because i don't want to like interrupt the question but i'll go back in other words a lot
01:34:00.840these rulers are just not muslim at heart obviously and they're but they govern muslims
01:34:05.480so they want to create the most you know on the one hand they want to be legitimate
01:34:09.720and show their legitimacy as hey i can't thank you thank you ryan for the comment and for the
01:34:16.600support i appreciate that i hope you're enjoying the live stream and um i hope you're enjoying my
01:34:22.440my youtube channel be your ruler uh and which means they have to kind of let you know let the
01:34:27.880pot kind of steam come out a little bit so the muslims can feel this is actual islam and on the
01:34:33.640other hand they've got to kind of clamp down on on certain teachings so that's why a lot of these
01:34:38.680rulers um are often just you know denounced as you know puppets of the west and not true muslims
01:34:44.600including the ones in saudi arabia who are actually nominal wahhabis which is as radical
01:34:48.600as you can get and in fact they do disseminate and and play a huge role in sort of uh disseminating
01:34:55.080jihadist literature, and they're still hated and seen as pawns of the West.
01:34:59.800Raymond, I'm going to ask a provocative question, but I think it's an important one.
01:35:04.260Do you think the religion of Islam is compatible with the West?
01:35:08.820No, it's not. And if you mean by the West, the sort of secular liberal West, it's certainly not.
01:35:15.100If the West believes in freedom of religion and gender equality and everything that the West,
01:35:21.340you know prizes well in islam it's not it's not that there's a radical interpretation honestly
01:35:27.420it's not like i told you that's the observant interpretation um which is that so for example
01:35:33.340um you have to okay you have to hate the non-muslim is that something that you know if
01:35:39.180you're living in a liberal western secular society you really want a group of people who are bound to
01:35:44.380feel that way towards you how's that going to work out oh i know how it works out just look at the uk
01:35:49.100right um so there's there are built-in teachings in islam inherently not a lot i'm not saying the
01:35:56.140whole religion there's a lot of it that's actually neutral maybe some of it that's admirable but
01:36:00.860there are just enough that bring it at odds with the things that the west actually prizes yeah you
01:36:08.780know another example is um is that a woman's testimony is worth only half of a man's testimony
01:36:18.220um i don't think that that's something that is particularly compatible with western civilization
01:36:25.580in fact there's a lot of things that i think are incompatible and if you want to hear my thoughts
01:36:33.740on that i actually made a video about it let me just pull this up for you guys so you can see and
01:36:39.260maybe you know if you guys want to check it out after um you're more than welcome to here let me
01:36:45.020me just pull it up here sorry i'm not like the greatest with tech so if you go to my youtube
01:36:50.820page okay um go down to to goldie unfiltered and then you're gonna have to scroll a little bit
01:36:57.300um and then you're gonna find a video it's only three minutes long and it's basically called
01:37:02.360sharia 101 islamic law is not compatible with the west so um go go uh take a look at that and
01:37:10.640and watch that after the live stream. And you'll get my thoughts on what I think about the
01:37:16.620compatibility of Islamic Sharia with Western civilization. All right, let's continue.
01:37:24.220Okay, killing blasphemers, or, you know, attacking them. So in the West, freedom of expression and
01:37:32.800art and whatnot. And then what was his name? Van Gogh, that guy gets killed, right? Because,
01:37:37.960Well, in the Muslim world, everyone would agree with that, and they would pat them on the back, because that's what you do.
01:37:43.700So the religion itself has built-in sort of mechanisms that does make it antithetical to a lot of the things that the West prizes.
01:37:51.780And so I guess the next question is, if it's completely antithetical, is it therefore an existential threat to the West?
01:49:50.500So to your average modern day Christian, that has absolutely no meaning today.
01:49:54.580It has nothing to do with real swords.
01:49:56.500To medieval Christians, especially, and a lot of pre-modern Christians in general,
01:50:01.160what that verse meant is we're facing two battles as Christians,
01:50:05.500one against spiritual forces, and you need a spiritual sword,
01:50:08.680and one against physical, secular forces, and you need a physical, secular sword.
01:50:12.920So that was understood by a lot of theologians,
01:50:15.740and that's what gave rise to these sorts of military orders.
01:50:18.920And it was, of course, also fused in the concept of just war.
01:50:22.320But anyway, yeah, I think it's going to be an interesting book to a lot of people,
01:50:25.460and it's going to be eye-opening at how Christians used to behave
01:50:28.940in the face of these sorts of existential threats.
01:50:32.520Well, with that, we're about to go to triggerpod.co.uk,
01:50:35.920where our audience get to ask you their questions.
01:50:37.860but before we do what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be
01:50:40.980before raymond answers a final question oh my gosh these ads so anticlimactic all right
01:50:47.620in the west being concerned about the mass slaughter of christians in africa and the
01:50:56.320the link is in the description where you'll be able to see this is there a sect of islam that
01:51:04.380is non-violent does not believe in jihad and does not want violence and to topple western powers
01:51:09.320what i don't see very much of is christians in the west being concerned about the mass slaughter
01:51:16.040of christians in africa and the middle east do you have an explanation of why that's happening
01:51:22.200and not happening what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be oh boy um
01:51:28.800you know i think i've we've talked about a lot of things but it's it's something i brought up
01:51:33.300Which I think is the most important thing never to forget, which is, again, you know, don't lose sight of the real source of the problem. And the Islam problem in the West, it's not the Muslims. Okay, it's the policies. It's the policies that actually enable, empower Muslims and bring them in by the millions.
01:51:52.180OK, and that's actually supposedly something you can do about assuming, you know, you live under some sort of democratic rule or you have representatives that you supposedly elected.
01:52:03.200OK, and if it doesn't work, then there's something else going on and the problem needs to really be looked at a little closer.
01:52:10.340But the point is, you know, this isn't about hating Muslims.