Goldie Ghamari - 1000 Years of Jihad： Raymond Ibrahim (Part 2)

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00:02:00.000 well hello everyone welcome to um another episode of the goldie show

00:02:29.040 my daily podcast where I go live at 12 noon Eastern on weekdays to talk about all things

00:02:36.700 related to Islamic terrorism, jihad, the Middle East, and politics. So today we're going to

00:02:43.720 continue watching the Trigonometry interview with Raymond Ibrahim. We were watching the first part

00:02:53.840 of it yesterday so if you haven't um if you haven't seen that make sure that you go back

00:02:59.440 and watch the first half um and then uh yeah make sure you watch that so that you know what we're

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00:04:07.720 And we had another historian, Dan Johns, on the show to talk about the Crusades. It didn't sound

00:04:12.260 like the way he told it, at least like a particularly successful or happy story, really.

00:04:16.840 Yeah, really, the only one was successful was the first one. It did achieve its mission. It

00:04:21.100 liberated, you know, Jerusalem and not just Jerusalem, but various, they had various counties

00:04:27.500 and the first one being Edessa and principalities. So they, you know, they carved a whole niche that

00:04:34.220 became part of Christendom and pilgrims were allowed to come and whatnot. But then after that,

00:04:38.980 yeah, I mean, every other crusade, the second was a complete disaster. The third had made minimal

00:04:44.960 gains with king richard um but it didn't it didn't re-win jerusalem but it made good gains

00:04:52.160 because right before it right before the third crusade it looked like saladin was going to

00:04:55.680 completely eject the crusaders once and for all that was his goal but with with the third that's

00:05:01.040 the second most successful uh king richard actually gave kind of a breathing space back to

00:05:05.840 the christians and re-won various regions um and then you know the fourth crusade is neither here

00:05:12.160 nor there and i just went spun off course completely well they sacked constantinople

00:05:16.880 that's the one where they sacked constantinople and i mean that's the big aha moment that everyone

00:05:21.440 loves to like harp on you know the fourth crusade and it's just uh i don't find it as remarkable as

00:05:27.520 most people think um if you really look at it uh it started off as a normal crusade and you had all

00:05:32.960 these various crusaders i think from france wanted um you know commissioned venice to build a lot of

00:05:39.520 ships for them but when the time came only one-third of the crusaders actually showed up the

00:05:44.960 rest came to the holy land i think they were going to egypt again that was the target but

00:05:49.040 they went through different routes and they couldn't pay and the you know the venetians

00:05:53.200 just insisted so the venetians kind of said all right you know we'll forgive the debt but come

00:05:57.200 help us conquer these guys um fellow christians who were creating problems for venice um the long

00:06:03.600 story short though is the pope was completely against all this you know and if you're if you're

00:06:07.280 you're going to judge an institution you have to look at its head not the individuals who go off

00:06:11.680 you know go off on their own thing and a lot of the christians even when they made this pact left

00:06:16.960 so it was a small corps that went and sacked this uh i think it's zora um you know on behalf of uh

00:06:23.600 venice and then long story short you know they still were trying to go and they ended up you

00:06:28.480 know making an alliance with some ousted byzantine prince and uh you know and they helped him and

00:06:35.120 this goes on for two years but then they don't get what he said they should get um the reward

00:06:40.080 or whatever and finally they just ran amok and conquered it and they all got excommunicated

00:06:46.320 pope innocent the third was just completely disgusted with the whole affair so my point is

00:06:51.520 you know of course things go off the rail but officially the representatives of the crusading

00:06:57.680 venture were completely against it you know so these individuals did what they did um but anyway

00:07:02.720 and then the fifth crusade comes and that goes again to Egypt and that almost won they almost 0.83

00:07:09.440 were victorious because before long they realized you can't you can't hold Jerusalem without

00:07:13.840 conquering Egypt and so a lot of them that's it became the focal point but that also failed and

00:07:22.720 the sixth crusade isn't really a crusade it's a you know the Emperor Frederick I forget which

00:07:27.840 number but he actually reclaims jerusalem and without war and he's hated um because the way he

00:07:34.880 did it is seen very cynical and he in fact is kind of a cynical guy he's a very interesting

00:07:38.560 character i talk about him um in that book actually but um he kind of you know he just

00:07:43.360 mocks christians and jews and muslims and thinks they're all you know but he'll give lip service

00:07:47.440 to whoever anyway it was seen as a cynical deal that was not good or advantageous and before long

00:07:53.040 it all does unravel again and and one of the worst attacks come soon after which prompts the seventh

00:07:59.200 crusade in 1244 the attack by this kind of muslim egyptian tatar or or they're all they're both

00:08:08.640 muslims with some savage group the quariziums who come from the east and they engage in some of the 0.92

00:08:14.080 most obscene atrocities against the christians of the holy land or already quickly dwindling and 1.00

00:08:19.280 And then you get the Seventh Crusade, King Louis, St. Louis, another abysmal failure.

00:08:25.640 But the guy meant very well.

00:08:27.480 That's why he became sainted.

00:08:28.680 And then the Eighth Crusade is him again.

00:08:30.640 And then he finally dies, and that fails.

00:08:33.180 And then you have the Ninth Crusade, which is very, very small scale.

00:08:36.800 And it's Prince Edward who becomes King Edward.

00:08:39.580 Long shanks.

00:08:41.600 He's the bad guy in Braveheart.

00:08:44.000 In Braveheart, right, right, right.

00:08:45.280 He seems like a good guy, though, when you read the actual sources.

00:08:48.680 And the Longshanks apparently was very tall.

00:08:52.500 So anyway, yeah, ultimately the Crusades were a failed venture.

00:08:55.900 But when you really look at the whys, if anything, they're actually more impressive

00:09:01.960 because of how long they managed to last against the odds that they were in. 0.66

00:09:07.940 Remember, this is a small group of European Christians traveling to the heart of the Lion's Den

00:09:14.000 and trying to hold on to it. 0.97

00:09:15.560 You know, the differences between the Crusades and the Islamic conquests is the Islamic conquests were basically, we're going to conquer anyone who's an infidel. And so what that meant is my immediate neighbor, which also meant I got all the resources. I'm not deep into enemy territory. Behind me are all my whole world, right? 0.95

00:09:34.920 right i have an endless supply so i i'm here and i conquer here and then i consolidate then i go

00:09:39.960 here and i conquer and that's exactly what they did but the crusaders for ideological christian

00:09:45.320 purposes went all the way into the heart of it and became a tiny group that was continuously

00:09:51.960 dwindling okay this is what gave rise to the military orders who really became the heart of

00:09:56.520 it these guys who were just so utterly committed but and especially as europe became more and more

00:10:01.080 secularized the numbers became ridiculous so habitually in these battles you would get a guy

00:10:06.760 like saladin or baybars they would show up with just ridiculous amounts of numbers which makes

00:10:11.240 sense because this is their homeland they can raise any number of armies and the crusaders

00:10:15.880 are always limited to a few hundred thousand guys so if anything it's actually remarkable

00:10:20.360 that they were able to hold out that long so we've been focusing a lot on the christian

00:10:26.280 and muslims so where were the jews in this because obviously they were in the holy land and i mean

00:10:34.600 we can see what happened to jewish people particularly with israel and so on and so forth

00:10:39.560 but what role did they play in all of this were they seen as part of it or were they just

00:10:43.800 marginalized and very much a second secondary player um well i mean it depends on which era

00:10:49.960 and which country in which region so you know the jews are especially prominent in spain that's

00:10:55.400 often where you hear about them because you had a large you know of course muslim control in the

00:11:00.760 south and then you had the small christians in the north who began the reconquista from the north

00:11:05.400 and spread downwards and then you had the jews mostly in the south where also other christians

00:11:09.560 as them is lived um and it really depends oftentimes they were actually seen as working

00:11:15.320 and siding with the muslims and in fact so for example when it came to you know the famous um

00:11:21.160 expelling of muslims it was it was muslims and jews who were expelled in 1492 out of spain

00:11:26.920 and it was kind of for the same reason because they were and this is another very complex topic

00:11:31.880 but you know when when so we have to i guess we should talk about spain because it's really a

00:11:37.880 microcosm of everything we're talking absolutely and you know and a lot of things are very clear

00:11:42.280 when you look there but so as i said is spain gets conquered in the year 711 and before that

00:11:48.200 it's christian okay it was ruled by the visigoths um and anyway a small remnant survives of these

00:11:56.200 visitors and they get holed up in the north and some in the mountains of asturia in the northwest 0.97

00:12:01.400 and even the muslim sources kind of say what are they going to do who cares let them live in like 0.98

00:12:05.400 live up in that crag you know like a bunch of bums they're like they it's literally it calls 0.92

00:12:10.440 them like 12 people living on honey anyway um before long they persevere the christians and 1.00

00:12:15.800 and they start what's called the Reconquista,

00:12:17.460 slowly kind of coming southwards and fighting. 0.88

00:12:20.240 But before that, the Muslims in El Andalus, as it's known, okay, Spain, 0.99

00:12:25.340 and that name, by the way, is, you know, the Vandals, like the Visigoths. 0.90

00:12:29.720 The Vandals were another kind of dramatic tribe,

00:12:31.800 but they entered into North Africa, so they were familiar to Muslims. 0.89

00:12:35.320 And so when they came to Spain, you know, Visigoth, Vandal, same thing,

00:12:38.820 but they just knew the word Vandal, so Vandal, El Andalus, became the name.

00:12:43.260 That's why it's called that. 1.00

00:12:44.040 So, Muslim-controlled Spain, you had what we were discussing, which is this Zimmi system. 1.00

00:12:50.660 If you're a Christian or a Jew, you live second class, right? 0.98

00:12:54.120 And they lived in their own communities at this time. 0.94

00:12:56.700 They didn't really consort with each other to a large extent.

00:13:00.920 And then up in the north, you got the free Christians who are making a comeback, okay? 0.87

00:13:06.020 And so, that's the context.

00:13:09.560 And this goes on literally for centuries until, you know, Spain, it was known as the Spains because it was really just various kingdoms, Aragon, Castile, Leon, Portugal became its own. 0.63

00:13:21.980 But when it gets unified with Ferdinand and Isabella, right, in the 1400s, they finally managed to get the last Islamic stronghold, which is Granada.

00:13:32.420 And it's had like half a million Muslims. 0.97

00:13:35.360 And what happened is they let them live. 0.99

00:13:38.260 they said okay fine you guys can stay here you can even have your own islamic culture and your 1.00

00:13:42.260 own law and whatever and what and but what happened is the muslims were always seeking to subvert so 0.99

00:13:49.140 on the one hand they acted like they were friends or or being docile on the other hand they were 0.98

00:13:55.220 conniving with the ottomans and the barbari muslims to help try to bring spain back to islamic rule 0.79

00:14:00.740 And so in this context, some of them still talk about how they need to reclaim Spain. 0.75

00:14:11.160 Like it's still a sore spot for a lot of the more radicals who refuse to call Spain, Spain.

00:14:20.400 They still refer to Spain as Al-Andalus.

00:14:22.840 And they talk about, it's so bizarre, the historical revisionism that some of these radicals engage in.

00:14:35.080 They talk about the Muslim genocide in Spain, which is, you know, that's not what happened at all.

00:14:45.640 The Spaniards basically reclaimed their country from the Muslim colonizers.

00:14:52.840 This is when, this is why, so for example, you know, you hear these crazy things and the medieval Christians just look so intolerant and just evil, but here's the backdrop. So you hear how the Christians said, oh, you have to become Christian or get out. Well, that was because before that they gave them the right to do their thing. 0.77

00:15:12.000 So the idea of Christianizing someone was not because I am a fanatic and I don't believe in

00:15:16.640 you having your own faith. It was that you're never going to stop trying to kill me until you 0.98

00:15:21.100 become like me. As long as you maintain that tribalistic Islam, which they understood, 0.99

00:15:25.920 you're going to be, you're going to obviously work against me. So they came. 1.00

00:15:31.640 Doesn't that kind of remind you of what's happening right now? I know some of you,

00:15:38.140 some of you in the comments are saying all right like let's let's go to let's talk about jihad today

00:15:43.340 and what's happening but in order to in order to fully understand and appreciate what's happening 0.98

00:15:48.940 today and in order to fully understand why we're seeing a very very um steep rise in um islamic

00:15:57.980 terrorist attacks or even foiled islamic terrorist attacks um you have to understand

00:16:03.660 the context and what he just said, right? That's very important. I'm going to go back,

00:16:17.200 listen to that part again, right? Because again, you have this historical revisionism,

00:16:23.480 which is making it appear as if the Christians were very intolerant, 0.79

00:16:28.540 you know and the Spaniards were very intolerant but the reason that they were acting that way

00:16:35.980 is because prior to that they had I guess a live and let live attitude and that pretty much resulted 0.72

00:16:44.020 in jihad so having learned their lesson once the Christians you know reclaimed their land 0.87

00:16:53.220 they basically said, assimilate or get out. Here, let me go back a little bit. 0.96

00:17:04.360 Spain, it was known as the Spains, because it was really just various kingdoms, Aragon, Castile,

00:17:10.040 Leon, Portugal became its own. But when it gets unified with Ferdinand and Isabella,

00:17:16.200 right, in the 1400s, they finally managed to get the last Islamic stronghold, which is Granada. 0.97

00:17:23.220 And it's had like half a million Muslims and what happened is they let them live. 0.98

00:17:29.220 They said, okay, fine, you guys can stay here. 1.00

00:17:31.220 You can even have your own Islamic culture and your own law and whatever. 1.00

00:17:35.220 But what happened is the Muslims were always seeking to subvert. 1.00

00:17:39.220 So on the one hand, they acted like they were friends or being docile. 1.00

00:17:44.220 On the other hand, they were conniving with the Ottomans and the Barbary Muslims to help try to bring Spain back to Islamic rule. 0.71

00:17:53.220 And he says something very interesting there, and it kind of reminds me of how, like, even now, in a lot of these European Christmas markets that are happening, unfortunately, some of them are being cancelled due to potential threats, potential violence, potential terrorism.

00:18:15.640 And we're also seeing videos and footage of certain radicalized groups, especially the pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas jihadis, who are going to Christmas markets and they are protesting there.

00:18:36.320 Um, they are, you know, mass public praying in front of Christmas markets.

00:18:43.000 They are, um, they are trying to overwhelm the Christmas markets.

00:18:49.020 Like we're seeing that literally happening today, right now, which, you know, is, is

00:18:56.240 incredibly, incredibly disrespectful.

00:19:00.060 And so in this context, this is when, uh, this is why, so for example, you know, you 0.85

00:19:05.140 hear these crazy things and it the medieval Christians this looks so 0.94

00:19:08.740 intolerant and just evil but here's the backdrop so you hear how the Christians 0.97

00:19:13.600 said oh you have to become Christian or get out well that was because before 0.89

00:19:18.640 that they gave them the right to do their thing so the idea of

00:19:22.120 Christianizing someone was not because I'm a fanatic and I don't believe in you 0.98

00:19:25.980 having your own faith it was that you're never gonna stop trying to kill me until 1.00

00:19:30.220 you become like me as long as you maintain that tribalistic Islam which 0.98

00:19:34.000 They understood you're going to be, you're going to obviously work against me. 0.74

00:19:38.360 So they came up with a decree, which is basically become Christian or leave, go back to North

00:19:42.940 Africa. 0.88

00:19:43.560 And then a fatwa appeared, fatwa is a decree by a learned Islamic sheikh, which promoted

00:19:50.340 the concept of taqeya.

00:19:51.960 And taqeya in Islam is basically, you can, if you're under duress or being threatened 0.95

00:19:57.080 by the infidel, you can lie, you can say, you can say anything. 0.99

00:20:00.500 You can even engage, you can get baptized.

00:20:02.360 you can engage in communion you can do all these things as long as in your heart you're still

00:20:07.180 working you're still striving for islam um and then also overnight like half a million muslims

00:20:12.540 from granada became christian and the the crown thought okay you know and but then what happened

00:20:18.620 is generation after generation and you have the christians saying these guys were acting like

00:20:23.020 they were better christians than us they literally just everything about them was more christian

00:20:27.420 they went every sunday but then they found out they were still muslim at heart and still 0.80

00:20:32.000 actually um clandestinely working to somehow subvert spain to islamic rule and so that's when 0.89

00:20:38.080 it finally came to okay even if you convert it doesn't work so you have to leave okay now the

00:20:43.440 jews are also alum and so the inquisition that's that was the the initial inquisition start in this

00:20:48.880 context because you're saying i'm a christian but you're really a muslim right and they had their

00:20:54.800 they have words for them both for the jews that were doing this and the muslims who were doing

00:20:58.800 the morisco is the muslim and uh i forget the jewish word or the word for the jews that were

00:21:04.640 doing morenos um anyway and um so the jews you know despite despite how things are today the

00:21:14.400 jews were often actually conflated with muslims okay and and oftentimes they did work and help

00:21:20.880 them not always and sometimes the muslims turned and attacked on the jews as well i mean so it's

00:21:25.600 it's kind of complicated you can't say you know it was always this way or always that way

00:21:28.960 um but for example when you know another famous instance where people attack the crusaders is

00:21:35.880 during the first crusade the people's crusades or the peasant crusade went off track again and

00:21:40.540 attacked jews okay and again the church and the nobles were against that because that's not but

00:21:45.820 the logic was why are we traveling and suffering and going all the way there to fight these christ 0.96

00:21:51.100 enemies when they're right here amongst us so yeah the you know the the jews in during this time 0.89

00:21:58.740 sort of uh i think maybe they had a survival instinct and whoever whoever whether there was 0.93

00:22:04.260 a christian or the muslim was doing better they probably would ally with or try to be on that

00:22:08.620 be on their good side which kind of makes sense from a survivalist point of view 0.94

00:22:11.980 so raymond we get we we've got to the point where we've got peak islam islam is at its strongest 0.97

00:22:19.820 It is dominant across Southern Europe, North Africa, the Middle East.

00:22:24.660 We actually haven't, though, just so you know, because I didn't even get into the Ottomans who conquer Southeastern Europe.

00:22:29.000 We can talk about it or not, but I mean, that still isn't even the peak yet.

00:22:32.240 Right. Well, I guess what I want to take this bit of the conversation now is Islam is dominant and remains dominant for many, many centuries. 0.91

00:22:43.600 And as you say, all the way through to the Ottoman Empire, it gets as far as India. 0.57

00:22:48.700 The Mongols at some point, right?

00:22:51.040 You know, I was just in Uzbekistan a few, the great warlord.

00:22:56.060 Timur Lane.

00:22:56.780 Yeah, well, they don't like it when you call them that.

00:22:59.600 Timur the Great.

00:23:00.340 Not the lame.

00:23:01.240 Yeah, they don't like you calling him lame.

00:23:02.640 Timur the Great.

00:23:03.640 As far as the north of Russia, this guy conquered.

00:23:05.940 One as far as Byzantium in the west, as far as China in the east. 0.97

00:23:09.320 On him, the Mongols are the same, right? 0.93

00:23:11.480 And then we arrive today, if you're born today, your instinctive understanding of the Muslim world is it's in the Middle East, objectively speaking, technologically quite backward, militarily quite weak, not dominant around the world. 0.97

00:23:38.180 and is, at least on the surface,

00:23:41.420 this is just how you would think if you were born today,

00:23:43.940 engaged in some sort of guerrilla warfare

00:23:46.200 against a much more powerful Western force.

00:23:49.720 That would be, not putting my own perspective on it,

00:23:52.700 but that would be the impression you'd get.

00:23:54.960 And you mentioned Bernard Lewis.

00:23:56.520 He's obviously, you wrote a whole book about this,

00:23:58.520 What Went Wrong. 1.00

00:24:00.160 How do you get from, bam, massive Islamic expansion, 1.00

00:24:06.180 conquering all the bits of the world 1.00

00:24:08.560 that really matter at that point,

00:24:10.520 at least from a Western perspective,

00:24:13.980 to the complete collapse of that dominance

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00:24:57.540 All right, so.

00:24:59.560 Oh, to the person on, I don't know, I guess, I think it was a YouTube chat.

00:25:04.260 that was like you know flying the the flag of canada you know below the flag of iran is

00:25:11.900 disrespectful to canada um first of all that's a very weird comment second of all if i was going

00:25:19.620 to put the canadian flag above the flag of iran you guys wouldn't even see it in the first place

00:25:24.880 so then then you would be complaining about how i'm not even showing the canadian flag so i mean

00:25:31.500 just stop with the nitpicking stop with the complaining stop trying to um portray me as

00:25:40.160 someone who um isn't a proud canadian and who doesn't love my country so yeah take your

00:25:48.600 criticisms somewhere else let's go back a little to the colonial era because this is really where 0.61

00:25:54.820 what this what you're just describing uh islam stays dominant and you're right uh people forget

00:26:00.580 that islam especially the ottoman empire was the powerhouse you know it's it's ingrained in people's 0.86

00:26:06.580 mind as if europe was always super powerful and everyone else all these brown people were just 0.61

00:26:10.420 being abused and scared of europe it was the opposite okay as we discussed but especially

00:26:14.900 with the rise of the ottomans and these guys last from you know 1300s to the 1900s and in 1683

00:26:22.020 they're in vienna okay with two to three hundred thousand fighters surrounding it so i mean so

00:26:27.540 keep that in mind we started off in the 600s with muhammad and the first attack on christian

00:26:31.860 territory in 636 1683 now we're talking a thousand years later they're around vienna 0.62

00:26:38.180 and uh they're using the same logic and rationale and they're talking about islam and jihad and you

00:26:43.140 have three choices etc etc okay um and it's not even just at 1683 to bring it to this country

00:26:48.980 the united states its very first war as a nation in uh in the as a nation meaning after independence

00:26:56.100 from britain no need to rub it yeah i was trying to word it correctly here but um uh after that uh

00:27:04.420 and now it's its own country its first wars with muslims the barbary wars and again they're acting

00:27:09.540 exactly on the same logic and thomas jefferson this great paragon of enlightened thinking uh

00:27:15.220 didn't know islam as well as he should have because when he met with what the barbary parts

00:27:19.700 are doing is actually attack so this is very interesting because it goes back to the idea of

00:27:22.900 jizya so a lot of these european powers and i'll get to i'll get to your point but i'm just trying

00:27:27.940 to build it up to show you what happened but a lot of these european powers um instead of fighting

00:27:32.820 with the barbari muslim pirates of north africa whose entire uh economy and consisted of slave 0.59

00:27:38.660 raids on europeans as far as iceland they would go and enslave them uh started just paying them off 0.94

00:27:45.300 which the muslims took as jizya tribute okay now when the us uh the united america broke away from 0.81

00:27:51.540 britain it was no longer covered by britain's jizya payments and once the muslims found that 0.79

00:27:57.940 out they started attacking american vessels in the atlantic and in the mediterranean and enslaving

00:28:03.300 them and engaging all sorts of horrific you know abuses against them i talk a lot about that in one

00:28:08.180 of my books sword and scimitar actually i have a whole chapter about it um because if you really

00:28:12.180 read about what was happening to european slaves including these american ones it was really sick

00:28:16.660 stuff anyway so that's what provoked the first war of america with the barbary but when jefferson

00:28:22.260 and john adams met they tried to you know find a diplomatic solution so they met with um one of the

00:28:27.060 ambassadors from barbary abdul something and um they say to him hey why can't we just have peaceful

00:28:34.340 trade and work together etc typical americans and uh he basically he he sounds like an isis guy he 0.70

00:28:40.740 goes our prophet and our holy book says you are the infidel you're the enemy and it's our right 0.98

00:28:45.300 to plunder kill and enslave you until you acknowledge all alone okay so my point is uh 0.92

00:28:50.900 just to give you a sort of totality we started in the 600s this is now 1800 first war of america

00:28:56.740 same mentality same logic now what's interesting also about the 1800s is that same year around

00:29:04.260 the first barbary war is around i think 18 or 1801 it starts and but in 1800 napoleon enters

00:29:10.420 egypt or i'm sorry 1798 and he easily conquers egypt okay and this is known also as kind of the

00:29:17.220 beginning of the colonial era so the colonial era you see islam go from this super powerful 0.64

00:29:23.300 thing and it starts now it becomes now europe is super powerful technologically militarily 0.84

00:29:30.100 economically and it starts spreading out and conquering its former foe people don't realize

00:29:35.620 this but to the colonial powers a lot of them saw themselves as crusaders they were continuing the

00:29:40.980 war i forget his name is it allenby but some guy came and uh you know when they entered and

00:29:45.460 conquered syria went up to saladin's tomb supposedly and kicked it and said we're back

00:29:50.740 meaning you know the franks or the crusaders are back so so a lot of these europeans they

00:29:55.540 still understood it that way but why it happened i think because is the islamic world as i was

00:30:02.100 kind of telling you its entire economy was based on war and plunder and slave and the slave system

00:30:08.420 okay they never produced anything the way europe eventually went to especially technologically and 0.94

00:30:14.340 militarily um so i think on once once any muslim region power is unable to conquer and plunder

00:30:22.420 it has no economy and it starts falling apart and this happened before so the ottoman empire still 0.93

00:30:27.700 persists and why does it persist because it westernizes whereas the rest of the middle east

00:30:33.460 you know egypt and which was by then sort of run by the mamluks and all these other areas are

00:30:38.500 completely now just spent you know uh there's nothing to plunder there's no economy everything's 0.99

00:30:44.420 falling apart it's very easily taken over uh but but the ottomans they westernize which is ironic 0.61

00:30:50.740 because the ottomans were the chief uh you know standard bearers of jihad they actually took to 0.59

00:30:55.540 jihad and articulated it more than the arabs their forebearers did that was their thing okay and you

00:31:01.860 know under adaturk they actually got rid of the arabic script took the roman alphabet dressed in

00:31:07.540 roman attire i'm sorry not roman western attire shaved the beards etc etc so everyone became

00:31:12.980 westward looking including you know the muslims who could because that was the way to you know 0.79

00:31:17.940 win and the islamic way now that it is it it kind of spent it became a spent force at this point 1.00

00:31:24.820 and it was kind of an anachronism really didn't have much kind of the way did things was no longer 0.60

00:31:30.580 going to work in this new world with europe the way it was and uh so that's so the colonial era

00:31:37.380 is a very important thing to keep in mind because uh you know these it's it's funny too again here

00:31:42.980 we go the colonial colonial era and what happened nowadays is presented so horrible you know these

00:31:50.100 evil european white guys going into you know these countries not just muslim countries india

00:31:56.020 and colonizing but what's funny is if you read the written the writings of natives from the 0.96

00:32:02.660 colonial era they talk about it as the greatest time this is the time when we had learning when

00:32:07.140 we had medicine when we had science and technology because the europeans also brought this stuff with 0.64

00:32:12.420 them they did right um whereas you know if you look at places that islam conquered there's places 0.65

00:32:17.540 in spain where they had that constant war in the middle you know you had the christians in the 0.95

00:32:21.460 north and that are just until now like infertile and just totally devastated because um so at least 0.94

00:32:28.420 you know the europeans brought all this stuff and a lot of this is the time when so here's an irony

00:32:35.380 you know when i think of when i think of uh religion or whatever someone becoming conservative

00:32:40.100 and clinging to the old ways i just can't help but think that through time things become more

00:32:45.460 liberal what's happening is actually the opposite in the islamic world if you go to the middle east

00:32:50.020 in the 1930s way way more liberal and western looking than anything today the people weren't 0.70

00:32:56.900 resentful they were actually trying to westernize they dressed like westerners they uh the women

00:33:02.820 didn't have the hijab they dressed they were decent and not i don't mean in a promiscuous way

00:33:07.140 but they dressed in dresses and they looked good men were in suits and tops yeah i mean

00:33:13.300 I mean, he makes a very good point here. I mean, just look at, let me just pull up Iran in the 1930s. Like, this is going to blow your mind, guys.

00:33:22.560 here we go let me um let me add this share screen okay

00:33:46.620 so you know here is a photo of iranian women in the 1930s so the first members of iran's

00:34:02.080 ladies association khanune bonovana iran circa 1930s so um yeah like he he makes a very good

00:34:11.440 point that a lot of people who aren't from the middle east don't know um about and that's you

00:34:19.280 know that people who aren't from the middle east think that um the way the middle east is now in

00:34:26.040 terms of certain countries that have become incredibly radical um they didn't they weren't

00:34:31.920 like that they were not like that before right i mean if you look at iranian women today how

00:34:37.620 they're forced to dress versus what they looked like um in the 1930s right i mean the the this

00:34:46.300 picture looks like it's from the future of iran even though um it is it is the past this is from

00:34:52.920 100 years ago so um the middle east the middle east today is not what it was 100 years ago and

00:35:01.900 And unfortunately, a lot of what has been happening is because of the rise of Islamic radicalism, which took over Iran in 1979 and then has been sort of spreading around to other places as well.

00:35:17.360 And Iran is just one example. I mean, you can look at places like, you know, Iraq or Afghanistan or, you know, all these other places as well.

00:35:28.860 But yeah, so there's, you know, there's a little bit of at least one example of what Middle Eastern people looked like in the 1930s. And again, this this is Iran here. All right, let's continue.

00:35:44.860 Isn't they shaved? So Islam was sort of, uh, Islam's appeal. 0.97

00:35:51.020 Oh, for, for the person that said, wasn't that only the very wealthy people who, you know, 0.96

00:35:56.760 dressed, um, like Westerners? Absolutely not. Um, that's a lie that's put out by the Islamists

00:36:03.800 and the jihadis, um, in order to try and legitimize their existence. And, you know, 0.91

00:36:10.160 That's basically like they push that lie to try and convince people that like Iran, for example, wasn't modernizing.

00:36:21.120 But no, everyone, everyone dressed like that in Iran, regardless of regardless of whether or not they were wealthy.

00:36:30.400 I mean, I'm pretty sure I even have like.

00:36:33.220 Like I have my own family photos.

00:36:35.420 i don't know if i if i have posted um anything online let me see if i can find something um

00:36:46.620 okay here we go here we go so here's one um i actually posted this picture on x um back in

00:36:55.180 the summer so here's an example this is you know my family um my family and i you know

00:37:04.220 I don't come from a rich family whatsoever. In fact, my father grew up poor and basically

00:37:14.240 worked his way out of poverty. Oops, wait, let me, here we go. So here you go. This is literally

00:37:22.620 my aunt and my uncle, okay? This is my aunt and uncle. This is them at their engagement party

00:37:30.920 um in the early 1970s so there you go there you have it this is you know everyone everyone just

00:37:41.020 you know dressed normal before the islamic dictatorship took over in 1979 so there you go

00:37:53.260 There's there's, you know, an example from my own family and every single Iranian has photos, photos like this.

00:38:03.080 So the, you know, that that lie about only rich people, you know, dressed in Western clothes, completely false.

00:38:13.600 It's a myth. It's basically just what the Islamists and jihadis push out there to try and, you know, convince non-Iranians that, you know, the culture is Islam, even though it's the farthest thing from the truth. 0.56

00:38:30.660 So it's basically taqiyya.

00:38:33.080 all right let's continue no and thank you thank you for the question it's a it's a very important

00:38:38.680 question and um part of the reason that i i enjoy doing these live streams is because i also get an

00:38:44.280 opportunity to interact with you guys and um you know to answer your questions and dispel all the

00:38:50.440 myths right and that's part of the reason why why i do these live streams so i always appreciate

00:38:55.720 um i always appreciate questions of course you know questions that are serious i mean i just i

00:39:01.080 I ignore the trolls, but, um, never be like, don't be afraid to ask questions, guys.

00:39:06.400 If you, uh, want to know more about something, or if you have a question, uh, you know, it's

00:39:10.820 not just me.

00:39:11.300 There's also a lot of Iranians in the chat, um, in the YouTube chat.

00:39:16.300 And, uh, you know, of course the mods as well, and they're doing a great job of, um, of

00:39:21.220 answering questions as well, but yeah, feel free to ask as many questions as you like.

00:39:25.080 It's why it's why I do these live streams.

00:39:26.960 it's the strong horse and if you join us you get all these benefits that we were talking about 1.00

00:39:32.680 and once muslims start seeing that that wasn't the case it's really fell by the wayside and so 1.00

00:39:38.500 that's why i find it ironic if you look at you would think that you know in 2025 muslims are 0.89

00:39:44.480 going to be more liberal than in 1925 it's the exact opposite and i find that very interesting

00:39:50.160 and i think it starts going to where we're headed talking the bigger talk about you know the modern

00:39:54.660 era. And I believe a lot of that actually has to do with this, that in as much as the West exuded

00:40:01.460 power and confidence, Muslims followed it, which is human nature. Whoever is strong or smarter than

00:40:08.320 you or whatever you can learn from, you're going to try to emulate. But once the West sort of

00:40:13.260 started hating itself and promoting everyone else, so let's say in the whatever 1960s, just to give

00:40:19.220 a rough date, where all of a sudden now, you know, it was all how we're, it's the narrative 0.97

00:40:25.620 became Europeans are the horrible people. Everyone is great. And in fact, Islam is even better. And 0.87

00:40:31.580 Islam is what a wonderful religion. I think that actually pushed Muslims back. So on the one hand,

00:40:37.100 it actually made them disrespect the West, naturally. So it's very easy to have contempt

00:40:44.240 and disdain for someone who just disrespects themselves and fawns over you. Let's assume

00:40:49.160 nature and it also sort of made so it made them go back said they basically said yeah you're right 1.00

00:40:54.200 you're just a bunch of dirty infidels so the theory became and it was very well articulated 0.94

00:40:58.760 by an egyptian theoretician of the muslim brotherhood say who came to america and he was 1.00

00:41:05.400 kind of a moderate muslim then he came to america i think in the 50s and he was just scandalized by

00:41:11.240 how liberal americans were and you know men and women were consorting together etc etc so he 1.00

00:41:16.600 developed this idea which became very prominent which is you know these infidels in the west 1.00

00:41:21.240 you can appropriate and learn from them technology or science things of this nature but when it comes 1.00

00:41:26.520 to more to the greater metaphysical issues religion certainly we have to stick to islam 0.93

00:41:31.960 and that was really this is one of the chief return to islam so the idea is yeah we can learn 0.82

00:41:37.720 from them secular materialistic things but as far as how a society is governed or structured or how

00:41:43.160 individuals should live their lives or even as collectives this is of course

00:41:47.480 Islam and all the while the West further promotes that and sponsors that kind of 0.97

00:41:51.920 thinking and stifles its own heritage and this is what my point is you see how

00:41:56.660 that's very different than their forebears the colonial the colonizers

00:42:00.680 the colonizers were unabashedly proud there's this famous story I forget his

00:42:05.120 name but some general in India during the colonial era where they you know he

00:42:10.040 just saw some ruckus and a bunch of Indians Indians who were going to burn a woman alive

00:42:13.880 sati I think it's called where if you're if a man dies and his woman is still alive they burn her

00:42:19.120 on his pyre and he found out what's going on and he tried to ban it and they said uh well this is 0.70

00:42:25.320 our custom and etc and he said okay you do your custom we'll do ours and our custom is when men 0.92

00:42:30.460 burn women alive we hang them all okay so that kind of perspective the west had which was 0.95

00:42:36.680 respectable from even from the adversary, whereas now it's completely gone. Now it's, oh yeah, you 0.99

00:42:41.540 do whatever you want. You're right. Your culture is superior, et cetera, et cetera. And this of

00:42:45.240 course continues till this day. And I believe that's what exacerbates and brings out the worst

00:42:50.700 of Muslims. This is why it's ironic when you look in the West and in Europe, oftentimes the Muslims 1.00

00:42:56.020 who are the most radical are the second, third generation Muslims. And I think a lot of it has 1.00

00:43:00.580 do with this sort of symbiotic relationship with sort of western self-degradation which only 0.87

00:43:06.980 provokes them to fall back more on their own islamic heritage and have even more contempt

00:43:12.180 for westerners even as westerners fall over themselves thinking oh i need to 0.77

00:43:16.500 you know appease him some more that's how he'll like me when it's of course doing the exact

00:43:20.500 opposite well it's just on that sort of front just to finish on this um just on that actually

00:43:25.940 we were talking france and i were talking the other day and we talked about one of the reasons

00:43:29.620 that there does seem to be a difference in integration in America versus Europe.

00:43:36.240 And one of the reasons is the first thing a first-generation American does

00:43:40.760 is teach his kids to love America.

00:43:42.840 At least historically speaking, that was the trend.

00:43:45.740 In Europe, that sort of cohesive idea of like, well, you're one of us now,

00:43:50.680 but you better be one of us now doesn't really exist in the same way.

00:43:54.360 And I guess that's what you're saying.

00:43:55.560 Yeah, and it doesn't exist because, no, you're –

00:43:58.280 Instead of being proud of European or an American and saying, hey, join us, be one of us, I would never do that.

00:44:04.260 Please stay your way.

00:44:05.660 I mean, here in America, for example, this is the same logic behind where wherever I go, I don't just see English.

00:44:11.500 I see Spanish and I see Arabic and I see, you know, Hindi.

00:44:14.280 It's kind of like, well, most countries, it's actually perceived as a sort of weakness. 0.97

00:44:19.320 And it's not something that makes these immigrant people respect you because that's not how they would be ever. 0.97

00:44:24.520 if you come to their country you will you will you're the one who's gonna um assimilate that's 1.00

00:44:30.000 the logic and that makes sense of course so um a lot of that is why the and it's even worse i think

00:44:36.480 in europe and in america one of the the issues it's not just what you were saying another thing

00:44:41.040 is that especially if it comes to muslims uh the numbers are so much smaller and what's happening

00:44:46.220 in europe is they're just they're they're ghettoized there's so many and they just literally

00:44:51.140 they live amongst each other they they don't even speak english or whatever the language let's say

00:44:54.900 it's in in the uk english they may go whole days and weeks without needing to speak because everyone

00:44:59.620 around them just speaks their language so they never assimilate and then they become sort of

00:45:03.940 like a little enclave or a little ghetto and it's funny because there's actually a historical 0.92

00:45:09.060 precedent to this and it's uh you know what he says is so true and this is why um immigration

00:45:17.700 without assimilation will never work. And it's something that will always lead to disaster. 0.88

00:45:25.080 You know, when my parents immigrated to Canada in 1986, they made sure to not only assimilate,

00:45:33.840 but they also made sure that both me and my sister go to French immersion and learn French.

00:45:43.000 My parents don't speak a word of French, but especially for my father, he recognized the importance of, you know, speaking both English and French, especially in Canada.

00:46:00.080 And so he wanted to make sure that his daughters were fully integrated, fully assimilated.

00:46:06.100 Um, so I actually speak three languages because I, I learned, um, I learned Persian at home

00:46:11.620 and of course English. And then in school I learned French. So yeah, there you go. Um,

00:46:20.280 and to this day, my father still proudly flies a large Canadian flag, um, outside of his house.

00:46:28.500 in fact he's the only one on the block um who who does that so yeah i agree like um assimilation is

00:46:36.740 is critical to ensuring um you know immigration works properly it's an arabic word which is called

00:46:45.300 rabat it's a military term and a rabat is basically remember i was telling you muslim 0.97

00:46:50.020 conquest they go as far as they can until they're stopped now wherever they're stopped they would 0.71

00:46:54.500 form uh fortresses and barriers known as rebots rebots is actually like a word connected to the

00:46:59.940 idea of a rope or a tight chain so they would form these fortresses and from there they would

00:47:05.060 continue harassing the infidel whenever they can and just engaging in terror tactics or raiding 0.89

00:47:10.660 them etc etc and their goal was to eventually conquer more land what i find interesting is a

00:47:15.860 lot of these muslims in in the european cities they they see themselves actually as and i've 0.52

00:47:21.620 seen them talk of themselves as we are robotists okay we are the jihadists who are forming a chain 0.97

00:47:27.700 and now it's not it's not just on the border with infidel countries it's right smack in the middle

00:47:33.140 of their cities because they've been allowed to come in um so they see themselves as actually 0.57

00:47:38.900 jihadists and uh we're here where you see it all the time where they just throw it in the face of 0.98

00:47:43.540 the natives of europe you know your country is going to be muslim in a few years you know you

00:47:47.860 You guys, and it probably will due to demographic changes and birth rates and whatnot. 1.00

00:47:53.900 It makes sense.

00:47:56.480 And on that uplifting note, let's talk about the West as it is, because you've identified the key points.

00:48:04.360 You know, the confidence is in decline.

00:48:07.340 Birth rates are in decline.

00:48:09.240 Demographics are going to change. 0.97

00:48:10.700 So looking forward and looking at the immigration that's come in, but also Muslim birth rates in the UK and the West more generally, what can we see through this trajectory and where do you think is going to be the final destination, as it were? 0.95

00:48:28.960 Again, that's going to, I guess, depend on the nation and the region we're talking about.

00:48:32.700 And here's the thing, I guess the first thing I'd like to say is what's happening. 0.82

00:48:37.080 Here's the difference between Islam historically and Islam today. 1.00

00:48:39.940 the continuity is that Muslims are creating problems okay they did it 0.99

00:48:44.200 historically the violence and the intolerance and the supremacism okay and 0.98

00:48:48.280 it's happening now in the present the difference is historically like I said

00:48:52.000 it was the jihad of force right they had they had no choice no one was gonna let

00:48:56.020 him in so Europeans fought tooth and nail you know fight fighting to the death 0.69

00:48:59.560 now the problem is I think you mentioned it earlier or I don't know who's you 1.00

00:49:05.500 Francis but you talked about Muslims how they're very weak right now and you know 1.00

00:49:09.640 they're not a, they're a weak force. Why are they a problem? And the answer is because the West 1.00

00:49:15.200 makes them a problem or the specific country in the West, let's say the UK. Okay. All the problems

00:49:21.600 that the UK is going through, for example, due to, or not just UK, much of Western Europe,

00:49:26.480 it's all self-made. Okay. And you know that because I can look at an Eastern country like

00:49:30.680 Hungary and it has none of these problems. Is that because Muslims tried to invade Hungary by 1.00

00:49:35.320 force and somehow the hungarians resurrected john hunyadi and they and they beat them back 0.71

00:49:40.280 no they just said no immigration we don't want it and guess what no problem so this is i think

00:49:46.360 and this is why a lot of people get upset i remember i once wrote an article because a lot 0.76

00:49:50.760 of people in the uk were complaining about you know there's an islamic invasion muslims are

00:49:54.600 invasion and i basically said no get your terms right this is not an invasion an invasion is when 0.94

00:50:00.440 people come by force and they're trying to take it this is an invitation okay this is an enablement

00:50:05.880 from your leaders so i think it's very important my point is to i like to when i look at a problem

00:50:11.880 you know not not veer off kind of um in tangents but get to the heart of it and the heart of the

00:50:17.160 problem today with europe and islam it's really not the muslims i often give this analogy where

00:50:22.280 like um i say imagine a enclosure of zebras and i all of a sudden decide to put a line and and lo

00:50:28.840 Lo and behold, the lion starts killing the zebras.

00:50:31.280 Who's really at fault, me or the lion?

00:50:33.580 I think it's me.

00:50:34.660 The lion's a lion, okay?

00:50:36.300 The lion's going to do what a lion's going to do. 1.00

00:50:37.940 Muslim's a Muslim. 1.00

00:50:39.180 He's going to have the anti-infidel thing going on, 0.98

00:50:42.120 the tribalism that I mentioned, okay? 0.94

00:50:43.860 But why are they being brought in with all these massive numbers? 0.79

00:50:48.260 Why are the native Brits, let's say, or Europeans in general,

00:50:52.200 being their heritage and their religion and their cultures being suppressed 0.98

00:50:55.600 to make room for these people in the name of some sort of amorphous tolerance or, you know,

00:51:00.680 multiculturalism, which is obviously not working. So my point is the ultimate, if you want to talk

00:51:05.640 about trajectories, it depends really on the countries. And it's actually in a way easily

00:51:10.120 fixed if the actual supposedly elected representatives of these various nations

00:51:16.740 do the will of the people, but they're not. And that's really the issue. So I would tell people,

00:51:22.420 you know your islam problem is less about muslims and it's more about the people who are enabling

00:51:27.940 and empowering them and bringing them in against your will these are the people who have the same 0.90

00:51:32.160 names like you and they look like you and they are apparently you know ruling in your name but

00:51:36.900 they're obviously not and it's you know it's it's become very obvious right now so i think people

00:51:41.920 should look at the ultimate source of the problem islam is a problem intrinsically you can say that

00:51:47.280 But now there's an instrumental there's an instrumental force empowering it, which is, like I said, why in other countries, Poland and Hungary, it's not an issue.

00:51:56.360 And, you know, it can be fixed or I mean, it's not going to be easy now, obviously, but something can be done if the actual elected officials care to do it.

00:52:05.380 But they don't. So but so you've used the example of Poland or Hungary and they're relevant.

00:52:10.180 But don't you think part of it as well, Raymond, is for want of a better term, white guilt?

00:52:15.140 You know, we went, the British went out, we colonized, we colonized a lot of these countries and a lot of the Islamic immigration into the UK is from Pakistan and Bangladesh, both former colonies.

00:52:27.700 So that must play its own role as well. 0.62

00:52:29.740 Oh, yeah, the white guilt. But I mean, that is to me the most contemptible of all factors that really needs to go away. 0.52

00:52:35.440 This is white guilt. I never understand it.

00:52:37.560 You know, I did a recent like study about because we have Columbus Day here. 0.99

00:52:41.780 You know, speaking of white guilt, I agree. I don't understand it either. Like, I don't have 0.88

00:52:49.860 Iranian guilt. I don't feel guilty about my history or my beliefs. I actually just posted

00:53:03.580 a video before i started my live stream um on my my youtube channel and the video is called um

00:53:11.740 stop apologizing for the crusades um your you know this whole concept of white guilt was basically

00:53:20.860 created in order to manipulate um white people in western countries uh into basically opening up

00:53:29.740 their borders um to people who are not necessarily there um to make your country a better place

00:53:39.020 so like you guys need to get over the whole white guilt thing and you have to like stop

00:53:45.820 stop allowing people to make you feel guilty about your history or anything like that and

00:53:51.740 You know, even when it comes to colonization, the Arab Muslim invaders are the biggest colonizers in the world. 0.63

00:54:01.540 And they have been colonizing for 1400 years and they are still colonizing to this very day. 1.00

00:54:11.540 And when people talk about the slave trade, the transatlantic slave trade, okay, fine. What about the Arab slave trade that lasted even longer and involved even more people? Oh, and by the way, by the way, the reason that slavery is now frowned upon is because of white people. 0.85

00:54:32.880 It was the white people who said, OK, you know what? Enough is enough. Let's ban slavery. And so when white people ended their slavery, then they forced other slave trade, slave markets to to eventually end as well.

00:54:50.320 So, you know, people people just like to put this white guilt on on white people as if no one else has done anything bad in history.

00:54:59.900 And then everyone seems to just conveniently forget that it was white people themselves who decided to end slavery, you know, as part of like the concept of modernization.

00:55:12.380 right um the american civil war for example the american civil war was fought over um

00:55:18.420 was it the civil war i don't know one of the wars sorry i'm not american but you know what

00:55:22.820 i'm talking about um the war where it was like the north versus the south um and that was basically

00:55:27.480 fought over banning slavery right um and uh yeah ripple ripple effect you're absolutely right 0.76

00:55:34.840 there's still there's still slavery in in muslim countries today right like look at qatar qatar is 0.92

00:55:41.140 full of of slaves so you know um so this whole concept of white guilt just like it it it needs

00:55:52.740 to end it needs to end i definitely agree with with raymond ibrahim on this and uh okay someone

00:55:58.280 said okay so it was a civil war okay so i was i was right i was right about that um so yeah all

00:56:04.700 right there you go all these people get up and all you know hemming and hawing all horrible columbus

00:56:09.620 and what he did to the natives, etc. In fact, and Muslims are doing this too. And my point is like 0.97

00:56:14.180 talking about living in glass houses, all their heroes did far worse than Christopher Columbus.

00:56:18.740 So my point is, whatever the white man's guilt, it's the same thing's been done to him and to

00:56:24.760 everyone else. Okay. Whites were enslaved by blacks. Whites were, you know, conquered. And

00:56:30.580 I told you Muslims, Moors, as they were known from North Africa because of their dark skin, 1.00

00:56:35.400 went all the way to Iceland, very fair people, and enslaved them in the 1500s. And by England, 1.00

00:56:43.020 there was a little island, maybe no, called Lundy, which actually was a haven of Barbary pirates who

00:56:47.880 would actually raid and enslave British people. So my point is this white gilt is really manufactured

00:56:53.740 and it needs to be seen for what it is. If anything, I mean, being objective, I was just

00:56:59.180 telling you that the colonial era, which is the white man, they actually, okay, you can say they

00:57:03.660 conquered uh whatever the muslim world india deep into africa but they actually brought good stuff

00:57:09.260 with them okay this is which is why the native population speaks well about that time like they

00:57:14.220 brought science and technology and you know literacy medicine etc okay what did now the

00:57:21.020 other people were talking about that conquered including the conquered europeans brought nothing

00:57:25.260 but death destruction and slavery okay so when it's all said and done i don't think there's much

00:57:30.460 for the white man to really feel guilty about and i say this as a guy as a guy who doesn't think of

00:57:34.460 himself as white by the way okay so i'm just trying to be as objective as possible and uh and

00:57:39.660 but see the fact that this exists and i'm glad you brought it up just shows you how far gone 0.84

00:57:44.300 so many white people are that they're so caught up in something so silly that all these other 0.91

00:57:48.540 peoples who are not white would never even think and shouldn't think of something like that to 0.99

00:57:53.500 actually govern how they see the world that oh my forefathers did something so england is bringing

00:57:58.540 pakistanis in because they feel bad because they colonize pakistan i mean that is just 0.97

00:58:04.380 such silly and stupid thinking environment um i'm just gonna pause there because i have a start 0.89

00:58:09.820 comment uh in the youtube chat so i just want to bring that up um so dorman says hello and salam 0.98

00:58:17.820 to all the beautiful persian people out there i don't understand these alliance of communists

00:58:22.300 with Islamists around the world while both have opposite ideologies. So I've spoken about this

00:58:29.260 in my previous live streams. Let me make a note here so that I can make a short video about this

00:58:36.780 because it seems like the short videos that I make have more views. So let me just write this

00:58:43.620 down first before I forget. And then I'll explain to you very briefly. Okay, so in a nutshell,

00:59:02.500 the reason that you're seeing an alliance between communism, Marxism and Islamists is because they

00:59:11.300 are both united in their anti-imperialist rhetoric and narrative. So both of these ideologies

00:59:21.100 strive to destabilize and overthrow Western civilization. Now, of course, the communists

00:59:30.060 and Marxists wanted to go the communism route. The Islamists want to conquer it in the name of Allah 0.99

00:59:35.920 and, you know, make it part of the, make a part of their Islamic caliphate. So that's the difference 0.76

00:59:44.280 there. But they are united in their anti-imperialist narrative. In fact, so we Iranians, we call it the

00:59:52.400 unholy alliance of the red and the black, red being the communists and Islamists and, sorry, 0.74

00:59:58.400 red being the communists and Marxists and black being the Islamists. And in fact, it was this 0.75

01:00:04.160 exact unholy alliance of the red and the black that destabilized Iran from the 1950s until 1.00

01:00:15.520 the 1970s and then they eventually were successful in overthrowing the Shah and 0.98

01:00:23.520 you know taking over the country and then as soon as as soon as they went into power the Islamists 0.55

01:00:31.440 took over immediately um and then they basically murdered a whole bunch of the progressives and 0.94

01:00:37.200 socialists and communists and marxists right so um yeah the the um the far left have always been 1.00

01:00:44.960 the useful idiots for the islamists and the jihadis and the reason that you're seeing it again today 0.99

01:00:52.080 is because they are united in their anti-imperialist rhetoric and narrative um so i hope 1.00

01:01:00.080 That's, you know, in a nutshell, how and why these two ideologies are united.

01:01:07.800 But I made a note and I will make a video about it and I will upload it to my YouTube channel.

01:01:13.720 But thank you for the question and thank you for the support.

01:01:17.340 Really appreciate that.

01:01:18.200 Hope you're enjoying the channel.

01:01:20.320 And you use the example.

01:01:22.720 I mean, it was a provocative example of zebras and a lion.

01:01:27.000 And then there'll be people who are listening to this or watching this going, yeah, but I've got a Muslim mate.

01:01:31.600 He's a nice guy. He's not like that. 0.97

01:01:35.220 You know, isn't that just a bit reductive and unfair? 0.99

01:01:40.400 Yeah, no, I'm not saying that every Muslim is a lion who's trying to kill you. 0.77

01:01:45.040 What I'm saying is, though, let's go with, OK, the most conservative estimate I've ever heard. 0.98

01:01:49.200 I often hear like 10 percent of Muslims are radical. 0.55

01:01:51.820 I mean, I think and I've heard a lot of people say it's more than that. 0.93

01:01:54.420 OK, but let's say 10. I think that's fair.

01:01:56.200 And I think it's important to delineate, what does actually radical mean?

01:01:59.740 Okay, well, now we're going to go down another rabbit hole. 0.99

01:02:02.400 But so radical, what it means, what people mean by that is this is the weird, crazy Muslim who's not practicing true Islam. 1.00

01:02:09.260 He's doing this crazy, violent Islam. 1.00

01:02:11.540 To me, radical Muslim is just a fundamentalist Muslim who's following his religion to a T. 1.00

01:02:16.800 Okay? 0.83

01:02:17.500 And the moderate Muslim in this parlance, which is not accurate, is supposedly the Muslim who's practicing good, true Islam. 0.94

01:02:24.020 to me the moderate Muslim who exists is actually the nonchalant Muslim who's not taking his religion 0.62

01:02:29.020 all that seriously so they exist I do believe that these two distinctions exist I just think 0.98

01:02:33.920 the words are inaccurate okay it shouldn't be a moderate and a radical it should be a purist and

01:02:40.160 an observance Muslim which is the radical and the nonchalant secular cultural Muslim okay which is

01:02:45.680 the moderate and they exist so now let's say these let's let's say 10% are the observance radicals

01:02:52.020 right and i give you that number because that's the smallest number i've heard from people who 0.94

01:02:56.500 are serious okay so my point is yeah um but when you bring in millions of muslims okay what's ten

01:03:03.460 percent of that i don't know what the population let's say england is but i know it's four million

01:03:08.260 muslims okay so you have four hundred thousand radicals right so you have four hundred thousand

01:03:13.060 who might act like a lion and um so does what does that mean i i agree the other ones don't

01:03:19.460 right but you're taking a chance it's kind of like saying um it's kind of like saying you know i'm

01:03:24.740 going to give you a jar of candy and only 10 out of 110 are poisonous big deal take a chance they

01:03:31.300 taste good right now again all of us these are like you said reductive analogies and i understand and

01:03:36.980 i do believe a lot of muslims who come especially a lot of them like i said come from they come from

01:03:41.380 an islamic background but they're not observant okay yeah i do believe a lot of these people come

01:03:45.780 to europe looking just for a good life um and whatnot and are not necessarily dedicated to

01:03:51.540 conquering and and what i've been discussing i get all that but it's it's the numbers and it's

01:03:56.660 the fact that they don't assimilate and the fact that if it's ten percent ten percent is still a

01:04:00.660 humongous number if you said it's four million we're talking four hundred thousand and i would

01:04:04.900 and again i'm giving you the ten percent i'm i'm trying to be kind of lenient here but i think it's

01:04:09.380 more you know maybe it's 20 25 percent yeah some uh like some counterterrorism reports say that

01:04:16.820 um the number is actually closer to 25 percent um that are you know the hardcore radicals so wait

01:04:26.760 what's 25 percent of so you know uh what 25 percent of 2 billion is what like five 500 million

01:04:38.800 so 500 500 million radicals yeah or you know fundamentalists because um there you go 0.89

01:04:49.860 um and you know this because if you listen to what comes out of these mosques including in the uk

01:04:55.960 it's it's the radical variety that is to say the accurate variety so um yeah i understand so this 1.00

01:05:03.220 is what makes this kind of a quagmire and not an easy thing especially from the western liberal

01:05:07.960 mentality which wants to help the underdog and in fact there is some a lot of them are underdogs

01:05:14.440 but it comes with a risk and the risk is what you see happening in the uk which is once in a while 0.98

01:05:19.080 a muslim man gets up and stabs children and people and just uh drives his truck into some people 0.98

01:05:25.880 or you know um just this past weekend you had two muslim terrorists um open fire on 0.99

01:05:34.920 innocent australians in australia at bondi beach you know for the crime of being jewish or um you

01:05:45.080 know you just had the fbi spoil um a terror plot that was being planned for new year's eve or

01:05:54.680 in germany the german police stopped um a group of muslim men who were planning on

01:06:03.960 driving a car into a Christmas market. Right. All of this, all of these incidents are literally 1.00

01:06:11.420 just from the last few days. I see you do that. Well, one of the reasons that most people don't

01:06:18.300 realize is that the Islamic State, in fact, always issues these kind of calls telling them to do

01:06:24.860 precisely that. It tells Muslims that if you're living in the West, terrorize them. Don't forget,

01:06:29.560 you're a member of the islamic state and drive your trucks into them drive your cars into them 1.00

01:06:34.440 go stab them um attack civilians don't attack uh military in other words attack whatever is easy 0.99

01:06:40.600 and soft targets um so one of the reasons they're instructed to by these islamic radicals and the 0.99

01:06:46.360 other is where are these islamic radicals where are they yeah everywhere you mean isis where are

01:06:52.920 they well i don't know i mean um the one there's a they issue a magazine uh that comes out every

01:06:59.720 couple weeks and you know comes online in the dark net and uh but and that's another term you

01:07:05.880 know when you a lot of people get caught up okay i understand there's bad guys it's isis it's al

01:07:10.280 qaeda it's et cetera et cetera i don't get caught up in these these kind of terms because the issue

01:07:15.960 we're talking about is ideological it transcends these finite organizations that come and go what

01:07:21.640 What about the Muslim Brotherhood?

01:07:23.180 Well, they're known as the sort of granddaddy of all these organizations.

01:07:27.720 Al-Qaeda was, you know, Eamon al-Zawahiri.

01:07:30.300 I was telling you about Sayyid Qutb of Muslim Brotherhood. 0.76

01:07:32.440 He's one of the earliest.

01:07:33.320 Eamon al-Zawahiri was also who became the leader of Al-Qaeda,

01:07:35.940 was formerly the Muslim Brotherhood.

01:07:38.360 And the difference that the Muslim Brotherhood and these groups have,

01:07:40.980 so, for example, in the writings of Eamon al-Zawahiri,

01:07:43.200 which I translated from Arabic way, way back, almost two decades ago,

01:07:46.700 he complained about the Muslim Brotherhood because they're too patient

01:07:49.940 and they take a sort of incremental approach

01:07:52.240 and they don't want to do jihad,

01:07:54.140 which is in fact what makes them more dangerous.

01:07:56.360 So he was more representative of the sort of ISIS thing, 0.82

01:07:59.700 which is, I want to do jihad now. 1.00

01:08:00.980 You know, I want to go kill the infidel. 1.00

01:08:02.620 Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood is sort of, 1.00

01:08:05.220 it's just a subversive kind of power. 1.00

01:08:07.980 And I don't know if you know,

01:08:08.720 but the FBI actually caught some documents back in 2009

01:08:12.460 that actually are from the Muslim Brotherhood

01:08:15.240 talking about how they're waging

01:08:17.120 a civilizational jihad in America,

01:08:19.160 trying to subvert etc etc and all these organizations that are branches from it like

01:08:23.980 care the council on american islamic relations so these are the groups that are engaged in what

01:08:28.140 i told you the jihad of the um for those of you who haven't seen it let me let me find that video

01:08:34.600 um i'll post it for i'll i'll share it with you guys i know some of you those of you who watch

01:08:39.140 my live streams have seen it but many of you are new so yeah um he's not exaggerating right um

01:08:48.800 Um, here, let me, let me find this video here.

01:08:57.800 Um, Richard Gabriel has a really good example of it.

01:09:09.800 Um, one moment. Is this the one?

01:09:21.740 No way. Give me one moment. I want to find the right one.

01:09:26.320 Okay. She had this video from, I think it was like a few years ago. Oh, here we go. Here we go.

01:09:31.860 I found it. Okay. So what Raymond Ibrahim is talking about here when he's talking about

01:09:41.480 the Muslim Brotherhood and their plan for civilizational jihad and how these documents

01:09:49.240 were submitted by the FBI into a US court case and used as evidence in, I think it was like the

01:09:59.420 largest terrorism trial in the history of the United States or something. So here you go. This

01:10:07.080 is Bridget Gabriel. She's an American, and I featured her on my live streams before. Here she 0.95

01:10:13.300 is talking about it and explaining it. Hello, everybody. I'm Bridget Gabriel. I am holding

01:10:20.580 in my hand the Muslim Brotherhood Plan for North America, written in 5-22-1991. 0.98

01:10:29.620 This is their plan, titled 0.80

01:10:31.980 This is about their explanation on how they're going to take over the West, 0.99

01:10:40.700 their 100-year plan to infiltrate and dominate the West and establish an Islamic government 0.98

01:10:47.080 on Earth. 0.78

01:10:47.680 This plan was presented as evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terrorism trial ever in the history of the United States, where our government handed down 108 guilty verdicts to Muslim Americans and Muslim organizations in America, raising money in the United States and sending it overseas to support terrorist activity overseas.

01:11:13.340 And I'm going to read you a paragraph about their intention in the United States and how they describe their work.

01:11:20.440 Number four of the paragraph is titled, Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brother in North America. 0.72

01:11:27.300 And it says, the process of settlement is a civilization jihadist process with all the word means. 0.94

01:11:35.200 The Ikhwan, which is the Arabic word for brothers, must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religion. 0.98

01:12:02.520 As you can see, they don't mince words. 0.99

01:12:05.600 They don't beat around the bush.

01:12:07.680 They tell you exactly what they want to do.

01:12:10.620 They go in detail in this booklet talking about how they are going to implement their plan

01:12:15.920 and the organizations that they had set up in the United States

01:12:20.140 in order for them to advance their plan in America.

01:12:23.820 And here are the names of some of the organizations.

01:12:27.100 They give the names of 29 organizations set up in America to do that.

01:12:33.040 So I'm going to read you some of the names.

01:12:35.300 ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America.

01:12:38.340 If the name sounds familiar, it's because ISNA used to be advisors to President Obama about Middle East policy.

01:12:46.820 So now you understand where signing the nuclear deal with Iran came from and why Obama was all over himself trying to appeal to the Iranian regime, even them sending them pallets of cash in the middle of the night on an airplane, landing in an airport in the middle of the night, millions and billions of our tax dollars.

01:13:08.360 number two on the list is the for the record um iranians actually despise obama especially 0.78

01:13:16.660 iranians in occupied iran because um obama threw the islamic republic a lifeline when the islamic

01:13:23.680 republic was so close to to being overthrown by the iranian people and uh the reason that the

01:13:30.960 iranian people weren't able to overthrow the islamic republic back in like 2009 2010 is

01:13:37.540 because obama listened to that that muslim group in the united states isna um isna is a supporter

01:13:45.860 of the islamic republic that's occupying us iranians and so um yeah yeah that was a big big

01:13:53.300 big betrayal um not a betrayal only of the iranian people but a betrayal of the american 0.96

01:14:00.820 people because the islamic republic is one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism 0.83

01:14:05.620 in the entire world and so for obama to put the interests of the islamic republic 0.60

01:14:12.260 um you know like forget about iranians forget about iranians who are fighting to overthrow

01:14:17.140 the islamic republic the fact that obama put the interests of a brutal islamic dictatorship that

01:14:22.820 yells death to america over the the safety of american citizens to me that's like that's pretty

01:14:28.980 much treason um and you know one of the reasons that i speak out a lot about the islamic republic 0.50

01:14:36.020 and you know iranian people trying to overthrow the islamic republic um and you know trying to

01:14:41.220 raise awareness about this is because what's happening in iran is directly linked to western

01:14:48.660 societies because as long as the islamic dictatorship is in power they are going to have 0.94

01:14:55.220 unlimited resources and unlimited access to money this is the money that should be going to the 0.61

01:15:00.580 iranian people right away instead right but uh what they are doing is they're basically using 0.94

01:15:06.900 iran's resources as an atm to fuel their terrorism and jihad around the world and they actually have 0.91

01:15:16.740 various lobby groups in the united states you know isna being one of them there's also the 0.90

01:15:21.380 National Iranian American Council, Nayak. These are pro-Islamic regime lobby groups. And these

01:15:28.060 lobby groups are basically there to convince American politicians to negotiate with the

01:15:36.280 Islamic Republic and try to mediate or whatever. Their job is basically to make sure that the

01:15:42.880 Islamic Republic remains in power so that the Islamic Republic can continue fueling their 1.00

01:15:49.200 jihad against the West. So just wanted to point that out there. It's also one of the reasons why 1.00

01:15:54.600 many of these groups come after us Iranians who speak out against the Islamic Republic,

01:16:01.400 because they do not want the rest of the world to know that Iranians are fighting to overthrow

01:16:08.760 the Islamic dictatorship. They want the rest of the world to think that, you know, we're all just

01:16:14.780 a bunch of like you know jihadis who support the islamic regime meanwhile the islamic dictatorship

01:16:20.860 has i would say maximum maximum maybe 10 support and a lot of people ask you know why are they 0.67

01:16:28.060 still in power well they're in power because they are a totalitarian dictatorship and when 0.75

01:16:33.980 they came to power in 1979 the islamists created a separate paramilitary group called the islamic 0.84

01:16:41.660 Revolutionary Guard Corps. And the purpose of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is to

01:16:47.600 make sure that the Islamic regime remains in power. And so the current Iranian military is

01:16:54.660 heavily underfunded. All the resources go to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. By the way,

01:17:00.440 the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is now a listed terror entity in Canada and the United

01:17:05.600 States. But but the influence is still there. And so I just wanted to point that out, because

01:17:10.960 when when she's talking here about ISNAH, right, like ISNAH, like these groups are actively working

01:17:18.420 against the interests of Americans. Right. So let's go back. Now you guys have a little bit

01:17:25.680 of context. And again, this is this is why they hate us Iranians. This is why they don't like us

01:17:31.860 speaking out um and calling out their islamic terrorism because we know exactly what's going 1.00

01:17:37.780 on we have been dealing with it for the last 47 years given that our country is under um islamic 0.93

01:17:44.420 occupation all right and we're signing the nuclear deal with iran came from and why obama because

01:17:52.100 isna set up in america to do that so i'm gonna read you some of the names isna the islamic

01:17:58.340 Society of North America. If the name sounds familiar, it's because Isna used to be advisors

01:18:05.520 to President Obama about Middle East policy. So now you understand where signing the nuclear

01:18:12.740 deal with Iran came from and why Obama was all over himself trying to appeal to the Iranian

01:18:19.100 regime, even sending them pallets of cash in the middle of the night on an airplane landing in an

01:18:26.160 airport in the middle of the night, millions and billions of our tax dollars. Number two on the

01:18:32.080 list is the MSA, the Muslim Student Association. The Muslim Student Association has chapters

01:18:38.800 all over American universities. So today when you are watching all these demonstrators in our

01:18:44.940 American universities screaming death to the Jews, we hate the Jews, from the river to the sea, 0.99

01:18:51.320 Gaza will be free, or Palestine will be free. 0.99

01:18:54.820 Now you understand where that is coming from.

01:18:59.540 Number eight on the list is the North American Islamic Trust.

01:19:03.760 The North American Islamic Trust owns 90% of mosques in the United States.

01:19:10.120 Number 22 on the list is IAP, Islamic Association for Palestine,

01:19:15.880 which later became CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations.

01:19:21.320 now when you read all this stuff you think to yourself how can this happen does our government

01:19:27.560 know about this stuff we've been talking i have been talking about these things for 50 over 15

01:19:34.600 years this is detailed in my book they must be stopped which came out in 2008 detailing this

01:19:43.540 plan when i used to talk about these things i was accused of being an islamophobe people called me

01:19:49.380 a hater. Nobody wanted to listen. When I was warning about the Muslim student associations

01:19:54.960 on college campuses and the money coming from the Middle East funding a social study department,

01:20:01.460 a political science department, and appointing professors who are anti-America and anti-Israel

01:20:06.740 to teach that Israel is evil, America is bad, and the Islamic world is the underdog,

01:20:12.560 and the Palestinians are the oppressed, nobody wanted to listen. Nobody wanted to pay attention.

01:20:17.780 So today, when you see all these people organized on the streets in the United States, hating Israel, hating the Jewish people, hating America, tearing down American flags and the pro-Palestinian demonstrations in New York City.

01:20:33.480 Now you understand where that is coming from.

01:20:37.080 If you want more details.

01:20:40.040 So there you go.

01:20:40.900 There's a there's the explanation from Bridget Gabriel.

01:20:45.220 I see a comment here.

01:20:46.940 So Dorman, thank you. I really appreciate your videos. I like your videos. Thank you so much for that. Don't understand why I don't see any so-called moderate Muslims never condemn any attacks. In fact, I have seen many celebrating. It is very frustrating. I mean, all I can say is actions speak louder than words.

01:21:09.960 and uh yeah yeah we we do see um a lot of them celebrating and it is very concerning um

01:21:20.600 yeah i mean it's it's it's a very good question to to ask them right i mean

01:21:26.440 i guess all i can say is when when when people show you who they are believe them right um all

01:21:32.520 All right, so let's get back to the podcast here.

01:21:38.840 So I hope that Bridget Gabriel's video there gives you a bit of context

01:21:44.360 so that when Raymond Ibrahim is talking about this FBI case,

01:21:48.140 that's what he's referring to.

01:21:51.440 I'll go back.

01:21:52.360 He's one of the earliest.

01:21:53.440 Eamon Zawahiri was also who became the leader of Al-Qaeda,

01:21:56.040 was formerly the Muslim Brotherhood.

01:21:58.460 And the difference that the Muslim Brotherhood and these groups have, 0.88

01:22:01.080 So, for example, in the writings of Ayman al-Zawahiri, which I translated from Arabic way, way back, almost two decades ago, he complained about the Muslim Brotherhood because they're too patient and they take a sort of incremental approach and they don't want to do jihad, which is, in fact, what makes them more dangerous. 0.95

01:22:16.000 So he was more representative of the sort of ISIS thing, which is, I want to do jihad now, you know, I want to go kill the infidel. Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood is sort of, it's just a subversive kind of power. And I don't know if you know, but the FBI actually caught some documents back in 2009 that actually are from the Muslim Brotherhood, talking about how they're waging a civilizational jihad in America, trying to subvert, etc, etc. 0.95

01:22:41.680 and all these organizations that are branches from it, like CARE, the Council on American

01:22:45.420 Islamic Relations. So these are the groups that are engaged in what I told you, the jihad 0.95

01:22:49.000 of the tongue, the jihad of the pen, the jihad of, you know, the money. They're all working

01:22:54.000 for the same purpose that ISIS is, but through legal measures, you know, through propaganda

01:22:59.120 and whatnot. And I know that to someone who is as in depth with all this stuff as you,

01:23:03.580 these questions may sound kind of naive, but what do they want exactly? Like if they keep

01:23:11.240 We just had several terrorist attacks, actually, in the UK.

01:23:15.840 Just a guy goes up to somebody in the street, stabs him.

01:23:18.500 No provocation, nothing.

01:23:20.480 What is that designed to achieve?

01:23:22.160 What's the point of that?

01:23:23.460 That's actually a good question.

01:23:25.280 So on the one hand, and this is actually really interesting because there is a school of thought.

01:23:30.340 So I told you about ISIS issuing these directives.

01:23:35.340 A lot of Muslims in the Muslim world tell you ISIS isn't an Islamic organization.

01:23:39.240 it's actually working uh for western elements to make people hate muslims and honestly when i see 0.95

01:23:46.120 because you asked a good question what is the point in telling muslims go and stab people 0.97

01:23:50.600 what does that do does that somehow have a strategic purpose all it does is make people 0.98

01:23:54.760 hate muslims right i mean that's that's the logic and i'm only i'm not telling you this is what i

01:23:59.000 believe but i've never i've the civilizational jihad via the muslim brotherhood that makes more 0.93

01:24:04.360 sense to me than these organizations who just say hey all they literally the the islamic state once

01:24:11.480 said they issued a a kind of one of their declarations at the peak of uh you know the

01:24:17.240 i think it was the beginning of the um when the israeli palestinian stuff a couple years ago

01:24:22.360 and they told muslim don't attack israel because if you do you're going to only empower hamas and

01:24:27.560 they're not true muslims and the plo okay and instead we want you and then they attacked iran 0.88

01:24:34.120 It was in the context of, they killed like 100 people in Kerman. 1.00

01:24:38.660 And so they said, we're attacking Iran because Iran's evil, stupid Shias, Sunni Shia. 1.00

01:24:44.420 And why would you want to fight Israel and help these other guys like the PLO who are not true Muslims? 1.00

01:24:49.680 Instead, go to Europe and do that. 1.00

01:24:51.940 Crash into them, decapitate them, and throw terror in their hearts. 1.00

01:24:56.040 And everyone in the Arab world said, see, this is not a real ISIS. 0.99

01:24:59.700 But on the other hand, what they are teaching is in the Quran.

01:25:04.120 So Quran 9.5, famously it's known as a sword verse, and it tells Muslims, it's actually, remember I was telling you about Jefferson talking with an ambassador?

01:25:13.360 He basically paraphrased it.

01:25:15.180 That verse says, when the forbidden months are passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, the pagans, lay in wait for them, ambush them, terrorize them.

01:25:24.720 So what you're saying is, and correct me if I'm misunderstanding, this is not strategic, this is doctrinal. 0.91

01:25:30.880 Yeah, from the Islamic State, that's what I would argue. 0.88

01:25:33.860 And this is why a lot of other Muslim groups who have the same goal, they'd like to see Islamic hegemony around the world, don't take that route.

01:25:43.020 Because to them, even Al-Qaeda, for example, which is ISIS, when I translated the writing, so what they said to the West was, we're doing this because you attacked us. 0.61

01:25:52.900 We're doing this because you supported Israel.

01:25:54.580 We're doing this because you didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol. 0.94

01:25:57.400 It was always a grievance.

01:25:58.540 Seriously, it was a grievance after grievance.

01:26:00.520 And it had nothing to do with doctrine.

01:26:02.900 then the writings i came across this is my first book the al-qaeda reader which came on 2007 and

01:26:08.180 the reason it was a kind of a big deal at the time i was working the library of congress and i came

01:26:11.380 all across these arabic writings by osama bin laden and amin zawahiri and they said not they

01:26:15.700 now they sounded like isis and it was where we hate them not because of what they do it's because 1.00

01:26:20.260 they're infidels and we have to hate the infidels and we have to fight them and we have to do jihad 1.00

01:26:24.500 okay so even al-qaeda was smart enough to you know play the double game and and say hey we're 1.00

01:26:30.980 we're only doing this to you because you you hit us first but isis is is so to me i always say the 0.99

01:26:36.420 refreshingly honest but in a way that doesn't really help the cause as a lot of muslims point 0.96

01:26:42.420 out because what you're doing is you're sort of exposing us and yeah when you go and you stab

01:26:47.220 toddlers in the uk or whatever what is that how's that helping from a strategic point so it's it's

01:26:52.980 a it's a good question i suppose the interesting question for me is how do we move forward with

01:26:58.580 given the realities that we have. And one thing that I have some hope for, but I want to run it

01:27:05.220 by you and get your perspective is we do see that in some Middle Eastern countries like the UAE,

01:27:12.420 like Saudi Arabia, also in Central Asia, like I mentioned, I was in Uzbekistan, 0.52

01:27:17.540 they don't tolerate the, you might not agree about the terminology, but they do not tolerate

01:27:23.060 violent jihadis they themselves know that they are the first target of these jihadis

01:27:29.780 and they actually deal with the muslim brotherhood they deal with all of these terrorist adjacent or

01:27:35.700 actual terrorist organizations they don't allow preaching extremist versions of islam and mosques

01:27:42.100 in uzbekistan if you want to work for the government you can't have a beard uh you can't

01:27:46.420 wear not just a hijab you can't even wear a headscarf of any kind if you're a woman so do you 1.00

01:27:54.180 think that there is some hope that because of this kind of thing the muslim world the the center of 0.99

01:28:01.860 gravity in the muslim world will move towards a more uh a less extreme and more moderate version 0.95

01:28:09.540 of of the of the faith you mean if more muslim nations act more like central asian nations 0.76

01:28:14.340 Yeah, or like the UAE or like Saudi Arabia increasingly, right? 0.94

01:28:18.860 Do you think that that will move the center of gravity towards a different kind of Islam

01:28:23.780 and therefore a different kind of relationship between Islam and Christianity? 0.54

01:28:27.380 Yeah, if Islam can be changed, okay, and immediately I'm struck with a quote from the Encyclopedia of Islam,

01:28:33.420 which was written by a jurist, and he said, 0.75

01:28:36.160 Islam needs to be completely made over for the doctrine of jihad, which it defined as what I defined,

01:28:41.320 which is unprovoked warfare to conquer the world, okay? 0.81

01:28:44.200 he said it had to be remade over can that be done i suppose um but it would not it would no longer

01:28:50.520 really be islam and i think i mean if you look around at certain versions of christianity i mean

01:28:56.120 that's the case there that's not historic christianity so i suppose that can be done um

01:29:02.280 you know the examples you gave of these central asian countries it's very interesting because 0.97

01:29:06.440 you know they are nominal muslims but like you said they're the first ones who clamp down on 0.96

01:29:10.760 that stuff because they will be the first victims it's even the muslim brotherhood is outlawed in 0.64

01:29:15.240 egypt where it was born right but at the same time sisi and his government pays a lot of lip service 0.77

01:29:20.360 and is engaged in islamizing egypt and he will ally with the cellophies who are actually more

01:29:26.280 ideologically draconian than muslim brotherhood so there's a lot of kind of like shifting back 0.81

01:29:30.760 and forth with how this works but you know the bottom line is islam is what islam is okay and 0.98

01:29:36.440 unlike other religions it's very black and white you know the the whole concept the problem with 0.94

01:29:41.160 western people is they project their own religion kind of and then they're convinced that for

01:29:46.040 example christianity is you know separation of secular and spiritual you know caesar and the

01:29:51.720 coin and whatnot but that's not islam islam is not us it's not about the condition of your heart and

01:29:57.000 the relationship you have with god it's actually all about the law it's legalistic and uh in fact 0.74

01:30:03.560 and everything in islam is there's five you know either it's forbidden you can't do it's disliked 0.66

01:30:09.320 you shouldn't do but you can technically it's neutral you can or don't have to do it's

01:30:13.880 recommended you should do but you don't have to or it's obligatory everything in life so islam 0.99

01:30:18.760 really permeates so can it change can they re-articulate it i suppose but you're always

01:30:24.040 going to have the hardliners who say hey that's not what our book says that's not what the quran

01:30:28.120 says it's not what muhammad said in the hadith um so i think it would actually be easier to just

01:30:33.480 snuff it out altogether um from muslims themselves in other words i always find the apostate more

01:30:39.800 honest with himself or herself than the moderate muslim and uh because the apostate is kind of like 0.67

01:30:46.120 you look i'm not gonna kid myself it is what it is and i don't want to be like that whereas the 0.97

01:30:50.600 moderate you know they engage in so all these um sort of uh intellectual gymnastics in their head

01:30:55.640 to get by i mean if muhammad himself in a canonical hadith says whoever the apostate kill him

01:31:02.920 okay or you know uh or in the quran itself you are allowed to you're it's permissible for man 0.97

01:31:08.280 to have sex slaves infidel female sex slaves as many as your right hand possess okay these sorts 0.96

01:31:14.360 of things if if i'm a muslim and i don't want to accept that for example you know what do you do 0.99

01:31:20.120 with those verses and i often watch in arabic these clerics and that's what they say remember

01:31:25.720 i was telling you about um the one guy who was basically saying yeah if you're married to a

01:31:29.240 christian you can but you have to hate her and yeah lo and behold a lot of the people sitting

01:31:33.400 there were kind of questioning like are you serious and he finally gets frustrated he goes

01:31:37.080 well it's written you know what do you do with the verses that i just quoted including you know you

01:31:40.680 gotta hate and abraham and whatnot so the crux of the matter is the religion itself which is so

01:31:45.960 easily identified and clear-cut teaches what we call radical things okay um they're only radical 0.64

01:31:52.640 from our perspective subjective perspective they're not radical from a muslim point of view

01:31:56.700 well but that's where that's exactly the point i'm putting to you which is it clearly is radical

01:32:00.860 from the perspective of the rulers of the uae from the rulers of saudi right right it's radical

01:32:05.000 because it's radical to them because they can suffer from it because they're not seen as 0.88

01:32:09.880 legitimate muslim rulers right and at the same time they have to pay lip service to islam so

01:32:14.680 In other words, a lot of these rulers are just not Muslim at heart, obviously, but they govern Muslims. 0.75

01:32:21.100 So they want to create the most, you know, on the one hand, they want to be legitimate and show their legitimacy as, hey, I can be your ruler. 0.80

01:32:29.300 And which means they have to kind of let, you know, let the pot kind of steam come out a little bit so the Muslims can feel this is actual Islam. 0.93

01:32:36.940 And on the other hand, they've got to kind of clamp down on certain teachings. 0.69

01:32:40.140 So that's why a lot of these rulers are often just denounced as puppets of the West and not true Muslims, including the ones in Saudi Arabia who are actually nominal Wahhabis, which is as radical as you can get. 0.65

01:32:53.500 And in fact, they do disseminate and play a huge role in sort of disseminating jihadist literature.

01:33:00.160 And they're still hated and seen as pawns of the West.

01:33:03.840 Raymond, I'm going to ask a provocative question, but I think it's an important one.

01:33:07.280 do you think so i like how after everything that's been discussed now they think they're

01:33:16.160 asking a provocative question so let's see let's see what um what he has to ask the only reason i'm

01:33:24.760 not commenting too much guys is because i pretty much agree with everything he's saying so um i

01:33:29.680 don't want to interrupt i don't want to ruin ruin the flow like if he says something that i like

01:33:33.700 completely disagree with or if there's something he says that i want to follow up on i'll let you

01:33:37.640 guys know i just don't want to like ruin the flow of of the conversation there i think the religion

01:33:42.400 of islam is compatible with the west no it's not and if you mean by the west the sort of oh okay

01:33:50.240 wow he's just putting it out there good for him all right you know what this is see this is why 0.98

01:33:56.280 i don't talk because i don't want to like interrupt the question but i'll go back in other words a lot

01:34:00.840 these rulers are just not muslim at heart obviously and they're but they govern muslims

01:34:05.480 so they want to create the most you know on the one hand they want to be legitimate

01:34:09.720 and show their legitimacy as hey i can't thank you thank you ryan for the comment and for the

01:34:16.600 support i appreciate that i hope you're enjoying the live stream and um i hope you're enjoying my

01:34:22.440 my youtube channel be your ruler uh and which means they have to kind of let you know let the 0.97

01:34:27.880 pot kind of steam come out a little bit so the muslims can feel this is actual islam and on the 0.95

01:34:33.640 other hand they've got to kind of clamp down on on certain teachings so that's why a lot of these 0.87

01:34:38.680 rulers um are often just you know denounced as you know puppets of the west and not true muslims

01:34:44.600 including the ones in saudi arabia who are actually nominal wahhabis which is as radical 0.73

01:34:48.600 as you can get and in fact they do disseminate and and play a huge role in sort of uh disseminating

01:34:55.080 jihadist literature, and they're still hated and seen as pawns of the West.

01:34:59.800 Raymond, I'm going to ask a provocative question, but I think it's an important one.

01:35:04.260 Do you think the religion of Islam is compatible with the West? 1.00

01:35:08.820 No, it's not. And if you mean by the West, the sort of secular liberal West, it's certainly not. 1.00

01:35:15.100 If the West believes in freedom of religion and gender equality and everything that the West,

01:35:21.340 you know prizes well in islam it's not it's not that there's a radical interpretation honestly

01:35:27.420 it's not like i told you that's the observant interpretation um which is that so for example 0.54

01:35:33.340 um you have to okay you have to hate the non-muslim is that something that you know if

01:35:39.180 you're living in a liberal western secular society you really want a group of people who are bound to 0.97

01:35:44.380 feel that way towards you how's that going to work out oh i know how it works out just look at the uk

01:35:49.100 right um so there's there are built-in teachings in islam inherently not a lot i'm not saying the

01:35:56.140 whole religion there's a lot of it that's actually neutral maybe some of it that's admirable but

01:36:00.860 there are just enough that bring it at odds with the things that the west actually prizes yeah you

01:36:08.780 know another example is um is that a woman's testimony is worth only half of a man's testimony

01:36:18.220 um i don't think that that's something that is particularly compatible with western civilization

01:36:25.580 in fact there's a lot of things that i think are incompatible and if you want to hear my thoughts

01:36:33.740 on that i actually made a video about it let me just pull this up for you guys so you can see and

01:36:39.260 maybe you know if you guys want to check it out after um you're more than welcome to here let me

01:36:45.020 me just pull it up here sorry i'm not like the greatest with tech so if you go to my youtube

01:36:50.820 page okay um go down to to goldie unfiltered and then you're gonna have to scroll a little bit

01:36:57.300 um and then you're gonna find a video it's only three minutes long and it's basically called

01:37:02.360 sharia 101 islamic law is not compatible with the west so um go go uh take a look at that and

01:37:10.640 and watch that after the live stream. And you'll get my thoughts on what I think about the

01:37:16.620 compatibility of Islamic Sharia with Western civilization. All right, let's continue. 0.93

01:37:24.220 Okay, killing blasphemers, or, you know, attacking them. So in the West, freedom of expression and 0.99

01:37:32.800 art and whatnot. And then what was his name? Van Gogh, that guy gets killed, right? Because,

01:37:37.960 Well, in the Muslim world, everyone would agree with that, and they would pat them on the back, because that's what you do. 1.00

01:37:43.700 So the religion itself has built-in sort of mechanisms that does make it antithetical to a lot of the things that the West prizes. 1.00

01:37:51.780 And so I guess the next question is, if it's completely antithetical, is it therefore an existential threat to the West?

01:38:01.080 Yeah. 0.74

01:38:02.520 Again, but again, it gets murky when you realize, so what are we talking about Islam? 0.92

01:38:06.420 you know, I'm almost, it's kind of like I'm anthropomorphizing it as if Islam's a man.

01:38:11.880 Islam is made up of Muslims. And I already readily agree. A lot of Muslims are not real

01:38:15.920 Muslims, are not observant Muslims, are cultural Muslims, are secular Muslims. You have a lot of

01:38:20.440 that. I get that. And they, you know, presumably can assimilate. And I'm sure a lot of them do.

01:38:26.220 But the problem is you have the teachings exist. And though the teachings themselves

01:38:30.860 are the existential threat, because there will be people who do adhere to those teachings.

01:38:35.540 and once they do they become the bad guys okay which which and nobody wants to see it's funny 0.96

01:38:42.460 every time i read i look at muslims attacking someone randomly and in europe for example and 0.97

01:38:47.400 all of a sudden it's dismissed as oh he had mental problems oh he had psychological issues 0.91

01:38:51.120 no he was actually i mean that's how we see it but no he was actually following a directive

01:38:55.900 and something that breeds a certain contempt and hatred for precisely the kind of person he attacked

01:39:01.400 okay so again i'm not trying to say that would be scaremongering if i was sitting here to tell you 0.99

01:39:07.040 every single muslim wants to kill you and be no they don't i get that you know how many times you 0.98

01:39:12.000 know how many muslims that you can look at today and you might be like oh this guy dangerous and 1.00

01:39:17.120 then tomorrow that guy converts to christianity but for 10 years and i've known them this guy 0.99

01:39:22.200 has been conflicted and and for those 10 years he was not even a muslim but and he was almost a

01:39:26.760 christian so my point is you don't know there's a lot of these people there's so much gray

01:39:31.020 and a lot of them are not a threat a lot of them are great people okay but again you know it's how

01:39:36.520 do you differentiate and how do you know and and this is why you know it's it's nice and it's good

01:39:42.320 for the west to not discriminate okay but on the other hand by not discriminating or just being

01:39:47.080 intelligent we're going back to the analogy of you know a hundred um you know candies and one

01:39:51.820 even is poisonous and you know it is and you so okay the 99 didn't cause the problem but the one

01:39:57.680 will and that's why you continuously have the attacks that you continue having because in as

01:40:02.160 much as you keep taking these numbers there's a percentage that's going to come with the violence

01:40:06.720 and those things are antithetical to western culture so that being the case the uk is in

01:40:12.000 the situation it's in if you were advising the uk on this particular issue what policies would

01:40:18.000 you put in place what advice would you give the government yeah well that's not that easy because

01:40:22.080 you know the the uk has really dug itself deep already it's one thing to say hey we don't want 1.00

01:40:26.400 to bring in too many muslims okay like these other countries who were mentioning 1.00

01:40:31.120 oh my gosh guys look at this it's the traveling class oh my gosh how are you do you you know what 1.00

01:40:40.560 do you want to do you want to come join my live stream we know we should do a collab together

01:40:45.760 you're guys okay everyone needs to everyone needs to follow tal okay let me um let me pull up his

01:40:53.520 youtube profile here guys if you're not following tal i don't even know what you're doing with your

01:40:58.800 life right now um here give me one moment um so nice so nice to hear from you okay guys um

01:41:13.120 this is this is tells youtube um tal oran he wow you reached 700 000 congratulations congratulations

01:41:22.880 Tal. I'm so happy for you. So guys, everyone go and follow Tal. As you can see, I'm already

01:41:29.160 subscribed and, uh, he has some fantastic, fantastic, uh, videos and, um, like he just,

01:41:37.940 he just goes all out. And, uh, the way that he, um, the way that he exposes all of the,

01:41:46.480 the jihadis, it's, you know, a work of art, a work of art. So everyone go follow Tal.

01:41:52.880 make sure you follow him um support him as well and uh tal i definitely need to have you come on

01:42:00.140 uh we should do a joint live stream together um at some point and uh yeah thank you so much for

01:42:06.360 the support really really appreciate that so nice to see you just you just you made my day you made

01:42:11.680 my day okay but when you already have what is it you said four million um you know it's uh well

01:42:22.640 first of all anyone who's illegal i would say has to go immediately i mean if you're there illegally

01:42:28.060 by no more coming in um i would i don't know how they do this but i would really be monitoring

01:42:34.360 mosques and the islamic kind of uh programming and what muslims are being exposed to including

01:42:40.840 on the internet, which I'm sure is not so easy. So yeah, and this is, you know, and it's, at one

01:42:45.600 point you start wondering, is it worth all this? Like what does a Western nation get from having

01:42:50.460 to live constantly on its toes just to be able to live side by side with Muslims? But I guess,

01:42:56.480 again, in this case, I get it because they're already there, right? But I would have no,

01:43:01.220 I would have no compunction or sympathy for any sort of radical preaching. I mean, I see in the

01:43:06.420 uk radical muslims screaming you know like actual islamic jihadist stuff and they don't get in 0.99

01:43:12.640 trouble but then when a british person fights back they get arrested okay so this is what i'm telling 0.92

01:43:17.840 you this is the real problem right now and you know so when you tell me what advice i could give

01:43:22.480 how about start off by um just being objective and without this two-tier system where you're

01:43:27.780 actually oppressing the natives and empowering those who are actually you know pushing for this

01:43:33.440 of thing the jihadist mentality would you would you do more hardline approaches for instance

01:43:38.160 something like banning halal banning uh facial coverings banning burqas okay the the facial

01:43:45.600 covering is there's that's a security reason in fact in some in muslim countries it's sometimes

01:43:50.480 the case women can't wear the hijab because it's sometimes you get a terrorist like i said in

01:43:54.720 uzbekistan you can't wear you can't wear a full face cover so that yeah for sure there's no problem 0.93

01:43:59.840 of that. And, you know, if there's a way to stop the sort of de-ghettoize them, so they do 1.00

01:44:08.100 possibly assimilate instead of always kind of living closely in it. And it's like I said,

01:44:12.720 a small rabat or an Islamic fortification. It's not very easy. I mean, I think, and especially 0.98

01:44:19.100 for the mentality that prevails right now in the UK and its leadership. Like I said, you're asking

01:44:25.640 me let's say this is neutral you're asking me the measures they can take they're still here

01:44:30.360 you know where they're attacking their own and you can't what country tells its citizens you can't

01:44:35.320 you know wave your flag i mean you know this is one of the things that i often point out if you

01:44:39.320 want to know how insane it is in europe always look at it by analogy other non-western regions

01:44:46.120 and guess what you know like i i made this argument recently you know i don't know if you

01:44:50.040 use the same terminology but in america the ultra right is like the bad guy this is like the

01:44:55.320 racist xenophobe you know crazy patriot and to me the ultra right is actually how everyone outside

01:45:02.120 the west thinks and acts okay they're all if you go to any country non-western sub-saharan 0.98

01:45:07.480 asian latin american what we call ultra right traditional you like your country you like your

01:45:13.320 flag that's what they're that's normative there and the ones who support it most are their own

01:45:17.800 governments that's what they want you to be like it's very weird to go to a nation like the uk

01:45:23.160 where oh you're the bad guy because you're waving your nation's flag but then these people are coming

01:45:28.920 in waving their flags including isis and that's okay i mean so you can he makes a very good point

01:45:35.800 there and guys like that it's not it's not by accident that um it's not by accident that you

01:45:44.040 you have this woke progressive leftist ideology that has somehow infiltrated and dominated the

01:45:53.400 sort of you know academic and political discourse and narrative and they basically say that if you

01:46:01.160 are patriotic or you put your country first or you wave your country's flag you are a far right you

01:46:07.000 you know, racist, xenophobe, whatever. It's not by accident, that all goes back to sort of

01:46:13.820 the destabilization efforts by various bad actors, you know, the communists, and of course, 0.83

01:46:22.040 the Islamists, right? So they do it by design, they do it so that it makes it easier for them, 0.99

01:46:28.900 like, like Raymond just said, it makes it easier for them to then come to your countries and wave 0.51

01:46:34.420 their flags while they're burning yours. And that's what we've seen in the past two years

01:46:40.260 with all of these, you know, pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas, whatever, all these like jihadi

01:46:46.620 terrorist movements, right? Where they're waving all of these foreign flags, they are waving

01:46:52.500 terrorist flags while at the same time burning the flags of the countries they're in. We've seen

01:46:58.940 in the United States. We've seen it in Canada. We've seen it in European countries as well.

01:47:05.900 So, I mean, just think of the audacity. Think of the audacity to go to a country,

01:47:11.760 take your invading terrorist flag with you, and then burn the flag of the country you're in. And

01:47:19.600 this is being done because they have been enabled. Again, you're looking at the unholy

01:47:27.440 alliance of the red and the black right the anti-imperialist narrative um this is this is 0.86

01:47:34.080 how it happens this is how it happens the uk's problems man they're just uh kind of mind-boggling

01:47:41.140 i don't even know where to begin it's just uh it's really warped raymond on that happy note

01:47:46.440 um we're gonna ask you our final question before that tell us about your latest book

01:47:49.860 yeah the two swords of christ thanks um the subtitle is the five centuries of war between

01:47:54.460 Islam and the warrior monks of Christendom, which comes out, it can be pre-ordered now,

01:47:58.300 comes out later in November. So this book is basically a third of, it's my trilogy. I've

01:48:03.600 been writing books that deal with the history of Christendom and Islam. And the first one was

01:48:07.740 Sword and Scimitar, which looked at the general, kind of what we talked about. The second one was

01:48:12.120 Defenders of the West, which looked at men. So the first one looks at decisive battles between Islam 0.99

01:48:16.720 and the West, like Yarmouk and Manzikr, which I mentioned. The other one looks at decisive 0.75

01:48:21.220 christian men and a lot of people like that second book because it's uh they're just shocked that

01:48:25.860 western christians can act this way but this book is even more so because this this book deals with

01:48:31.380 the warrior monks the templars and the hospitalers and uh and and what their rationale was and i think

01:48:37.780 what people will find interesting is you know on the one hand these guys were very militant on the

01:48:42.500 other hand they were very christian more christian than your average guy and your average christian

01:48:47.620 today, of course, the two don't mix. You know, there's what I call doormat Christianity,

01:48:53.220 which is what kind of is very prominent in the West. To be a good Christian is essentially to

01:48:57.880 be a doormat. And it's easy to be a doormat too, you know, non-confrontational. So a lot of people 0.98

01:49:02.900 make a virtual advice, you know, and they're non-confrontational and they're cowardly and

01:49:08.180 they pat themselves on the back saying, I'm just being a good Christian. Not so these guys. Okay,

01:49:13.340 So these guys were immensely militants and they really took the war to Islam and talk

01:49:18.320 about, I was, I kind of alluded to it earlier when we were talking why the crusades failed 0.65

01:49:21.880 because of numbers, it really came down in the end.

01:49:24.600 It was just these guys.

01:49:25.340 And these were monks and warrior, you know, holy warrior monks, essentially types.

01:49:30.400 And so I think people will be fascinated at their theological underpinnings.

01:49:34.260 And one of them, which I get into because, and that's the title of the books, the two

01:49:37.720 swords of Christ, um, is, are you familiar with the verse?

01:49:41.100 There's a biblical verse where Jesus tells his disciples, sell your cloak and buy a sword.

01:49:47.040 And they say, look, Lord, here are two swords.

01:49:48.820 And you say, that's enough.

01:49:50.500 So to your average modern day Christian, that has absolutely no meaning today. 0.83

01:49:54.580 It has nothing to do with real swords.

01:49:56.500 To medieval Christians, especially, and a lot of pre-modern Christians in general,

01:50:01.160 what that verse meant is we're facing two battles as Christians,

01:50:05.500 one against spiritual forces, and you need a spiritual sword,

01:50:08.680 and one against physical, secular forces, and you need a physical, secular sword.

01:50:12.920 So that was understood by a lot of theologians,

01:50:15.740 and that's what gave rise to these sorts of military orders.

01:50:18.920 And it was, of course, also fused in the concept of just war.

01:50:22.320 But anyway, yeah, I think it's going to be an interesting book to a lot of people, 1.00

01:50:25.460 and it's going to be eye-opening at how Christians used to behave 0.98

01:50:28.940 in the face of these sorts of existential threats. 0.91

01:50:32.520 Well, with that, we're about to go to triggerpod.co.uk,

01:50:35.920 where our audience get to ask you their questions.

01:50:37.860 but before we do what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be

01:50:40.980 before raymond answers a final question oh my gosh these ads so anticlimactic all right

01:50:47.620 in the west being concerned about the mass slaughter of christians in africa and the

01:50:56.320 the link is in the description where you'll be able to see this is there a sect of islam that

01:51:04.380 is non-violent does not believe in jihad and does not want violence and to topple western powers

01:51:09.320 what i don't see very much of is christians in the west being concerned about the mass slaughter

01:51:16.040 of christians in africa and the middle east do you have an explanation of why that's happening

01:51:22.200 and not happening what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be oh boy um

01:51:28.800 you know i think i've we've talked about a lot of things but it's it's something i brought up

01:51:33.300 Which I think is the most important thing never to forget, which is, again, you know, don't lose sight of the real source of the problem. And the Islam problem in the West, it's not the Muslims. Okay, it's the policies. It's the policies that actually enable, empower Muslims and bring them in by the millions. 0.96

01:51:52.180 OK, and that's actually supposedly something you can do about assuming, you know, you live under some sort of democratic rule or you have representatives that you supposedly elected.

01:52:03.200 OK, and if it doesn't work, then there's something else going on and the problem needs to really be looked at a little closer.

01:52:10.340 But the point is, you know, this isn't about hating Muslims.

01:52:14.280 That's not what I'm trying to say.

01:52:15.740 I'm trying to say historically there was always a clash.

01:52:18.420 you know the people that i'm talking about in this book or just historically if they if they 0.99

01:52:22.680 thought their descendants are bringing islam in they just i mean i'm sure they're spinning in

01:52:27.520 their grave right now because it just wouldn't make any sense to them okay so a lot of it a lot 0.94

01:52:32.240 of the problems are just self-made by the west okay islam is weak as you pointed out earlier 0.96

01:52:37.700 islam is inherently weak right now physically economically militarily it can't do what it does 0.97

01:52:43.440 but why is it doing it it's because western elements are making it is are empowering and 0.98

01:52:48.480 allowing it so like i said i like to get to the heart of matters and in this current case it's

01:52:53.440 not islam itself it's um the west head on over to substack all right so there we go there was

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Goldie Ghamari - December 17, 2025

1000 Years of Jihad： Raymond Ibrahim (Part 2)

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