Goldie Ghamari - January 10, 2026


Iran Revolution 101： Interview with Ian Collins from Talk TV

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In this episode, we are joined by Goldie Gomari, a human rights activist and former MP who speaks on these issues regularly. We discuss the protests in Iran, the current situation with the Islamic Republic, and the possibility of a democratic revolution.

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00:00:00.000 Let's get to work with Goldie Gomari, human rights activist, former MP, speaks on these issues regularly.
00:00:06.600 Goldie, good afternoon to you.
00:00:08.920 Good afternoon, Ian. Thank you so much for having me on.
00:00:11.040 It's a pleasure. Nice to have you with us. So firstly, is this a protest or a revolution?
00:00:16.700 It's 100% a revolution, Ian. People are out on the streets.
00:00:20.520 They're saying down with the dictator, down with the Islamic Republic. 0.66
00:00:23.840 People are done with the Sharia law that has oppressed them for the last 47 years. 0.95
00:00:28.500 And they're also chanting, this is the final battle, Pahlavi will return. 0.63
00:00:33.000 Of course, Pahlavi is a reference to the king of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, who's currently in exile right now.
00:00:39.960 He has a transition plan to lead the country from a totalitarian Islamic dictatorship
00:00:45.560 into a functioning secular democracy. 0.91
00:00:48.120 And Iranians only trust him to lead them through that transition process. 0.88
00:00:52.640 And this is the son of, right, that we're talking about here. 0.97
00:00:57.020 Yes, absolutely. He is the son of the former Shah of Iran.
00:01:00.380 Yeah. Is this likely to happen? Because as far as I can see, and do correct me if I'm wrong, the issues are multiple.
00:01:09.080 There is, as you rightly say, the Islamist dictatorship, as it were, that has thread its way through everybody's life and made it hell for so many people. 0.96
00:01:20.020 But of course, and perhaps interconnected, I suppose intrinsically connected, are the economic issues, inflation and goodness knows what else. 1.00
00:01:28.360 There is a real risk that whoever were to take over would still be faced with these fundamental problems.
00:01:36.200 Oh, absolutely. So one of the things that we have to do is rebuild the country, because after 47 years, the Islamic dictatorship has essentially taken us back to the 7th century. 0.99
00:01:47.520 Prior to 1979, Iran was a secularized, modernizing country that was slowly becoming like South Korea. 0.94
00:01:56.820 It was becoming the South Korea of the Middle East or even the Japan. 0.89
00:02:01.360 But the Islamic dictatorship, they're a fundamentalist, totalitarian regime. 0.94
00:02:06.000 All they do is they've basically stolen the money that should be going to the Iranian people, 0.93
00:02:10.960 and they spend it on terrorism, not just in the Middle East, but around the world.
00:02:15.060 and Iranians are currently in poverty right now.
00:02:18.800 And so the issue, you're right, it's not just the economy,
00:02:21.900 it's human rights violations, it's lack of water,
00:02:24.500 it's lack of clean air, it's environmental issues.
00:02:26.780 And of course, of course, the biggest one is the fact 1.00
00:02:29.560 that Iranians are being murdered at the hands of the Islamic Republic 0.98
00:02:33.260 for the last 47 years just because they want to live
00:02:36.140 in a free, secular and democratic society just like everyone else.
00:02:39.820 Yeah, indeed. And of course, when it comes to terrorism,
00:02:41.880 as you know better than I, Goldie, 0.87
00:02:43.620 all roads lead back to Iran, right?
00:02:45.940 And whether you're talking about Hezbollah,
00:02:47.220 whether you're talking about Hamas, any of these areas,
00:02:49.680 even domestic attacks that might take place
00:02:52.160 either in Canada or the UK, wherever,
00:02:54.400 there is always a line that leads back
00:02:56.560 to the greatest sponsor of terrorism on planet Earth,
00:02:59.820 which is Iran. 0.95
00:03:01.600 Absolutely.
00:03:02.380 Well, I mean, I like to refer to it as the Islamic Republic 0.59
00:03:05.320 because Iran is currently occupied by the Islamic Republic.
00:03:09.360 And prior to 1979, Iran was actually a big ally
00:03:13.360 of the West. Iran was an ally of the United States. It was an ally in Israel. It was an ally
00:03:17.820 of the UK. It was only when the Islamic dictatorship occupied our country in 1979 that they began
00:03:24.340 their jihad, not just against the Iranians, but against the entire world. We're now seeing 0.99
00:03:29.140 what started out as, I mean, the protests were already significant. They were around
00:03:34.640 various places of the country, of course. And we talked about this at the beginning
00:03:38.520 of the week but when you know once this gets big and tehran becomes the kind of epicenter of those
00:03:44.620 protests that's when the i guess the real problems begin or the real revolution begins
00:03:50.800 we're we're we are already in the midst of the revolution what we are seeing right now ian
00:03:57.640 i have never seen anything like this since the islamic republic occupied iran back in 1979 we
00:04:04.160 We are seeing millions of Iranians coming out across over 120 cities and towns.
00:04:09.880 Literally every major city right now, Iranians are going out.
00:04:13.180 But we're also seeing an incredibly brutal crackdown by the Islamic Republic. 0.60
00:04:18.200 One of the things they do, Ian, is not only do they shut down the Internet to prevent communication,
00:04:22.640 but they shut down the Internet. 1.00
00:04:24.020 They put the country in a blackout so that they can slaughter Iranians behind the scenes. 1.00
00:04:28.880 And right now, we're starting to get some horrific videos and images coming out. 0.97
00:04:33.120 In the last 12 hours alone, over 1,000 Iranians have been slaughtered.
00:04:38.200 I would say the number is probably closer to 2,000 or 3,000 Iranians
00:04:41.740 that have been slaughtered by the Islamic Republic, yes.
00:04:44.500 Is he... Is the Ayatollah likely...
00:04:46.440 I mean, there's lots of suggestions that this guy is just going to disappear
00:04:50.380 because he knows if he doesn't, somebody will make him disappear,
00:04:53.580 but not in the way that he had in mind.
00:04:55.400 Is that... Can you envisage that that is the case,
00:04:58.220 that in a couple of days' time, he won't even be there?
00:05:03.120 I have no idea, but I hope that he remains alive so that he can face justice.
00:05:08.740 Because one of the things that His Royal Highness, the Crown Prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, has said,
00:05:13.860 is that once Iran is free, he wants to establish a Nuremberg style of trials 0.99
00:05:18.620 so that every single one of these Islamic terrorists can face their day in court 0.63
00:05:23.100 and Iranian people deserve justice. 1.00
00:05:25.720 And what do you make of Donald Trump's, I suppose you could call it an intervention?
00:05:29.720 He gave that interview on Fox last night.
00:05:33.400 You would have been across this already.
00:05:35.060 We just played a little clip essentially suggesting, you know,
00:05:38.480 he's ready to step in if things go bad.
00:05:42.280 Well, you know, no successful revolution has ever happened
00:05:45.320 without some sort of outside assistance. 0.51
00:05:48.000 Even the 1979 Islamic coup d'etat did not happen
00:05:51.680 without the support of Jimmy Carter and the Democrats.
00:05:54.480 So seeing President Trump right now take the side of the Iranian people
00:05:58.300 against the Islamic Republic.
00:05:59.580 This is very similar to President Ronald Reagan
00:06:02.640 and his statements about East Germany,
00:06:04.880 which led to the fall of the Berlin Wall. 0.51
00:06:06.900 I can tell you right now that Iranians in occupied Iran,
00:06:09.900 they are so grateful to President Trump.
00:06:12.540 And President Trump right now is more popular in Iran
00:06:15.320 than I would say he is in the United States.
00:06:17.900 And all I can say is, is President Trump has promised 0.93
00:06:20.740 that he would act if the Islamic Republic 1.00
00:06:23.560 continues slaughtering Iranians.
00:06:25.440 Given the horrific massacre that we've seen last night, 1.00
00:06:28.560 Iranians right now, they're all asking President Trump to please act, 1.00
00:06:32.940 because if he doesn't, the slaughter is going to continue. 1.00
00:06:36.040 Iranians are unarmed.
00:06:37.540 The Islamic Republic is fully armed. 0.93
00:06:39.720 And they've actually brought in their outside proxy forces.
00:06:42.900 They've brought in Hezbollah, Hamas, other Palestinian terrorist groups.
00:06:47.040 They've brought in Hashtag Shabi from Iraq, various other countries.
00:06:50.820 These proxy militia forces are the ones right now
00:06:53.440 who are brutally massacring freedom-loving Iranians. 0.65
00:06:56.600 And the Ayatollah described them as a bunch of vandals trying to please Donald Trump.
00:07:03.100 Your response to that? 0.94
00:07:05.800 It's shameful. I mean, the Ayatollah, he is the enemy of Iran. 0.69
00:07:10.640 Him and the entire Islamic Republic, they are the enemy of Iran. 0.92
00:07:14.260 And he's always tried to murder Iranians. 0.89
00:07:18.060 And all I can say is that if your power comes from keeping people oppressed
00:07:24.960 and murdering people who speak out,
00:07:27.240 then you're not a legitimate leader.
00:07:29.040 And in my eyes, in the eyes of 80 million Iranians,
00:07:32.320 the Islamic Republic is not a legitimate leadership or government. 0.63
00:07:35.600 It's a foreign terrorist occupation.
00:07:38.380 You mentioned Pahlavi, forgive my pronunciation,
00:07:42.200 but the son of the late Shah. 1.00
00:07:43.200 That was perfect. 0.94
00:07:43.940 Was that all right? That wasn't bad, was it?
00:07:45.360 Yeah, Pahlavi, that was great.
00:07:46.600 I'm almost fluent.
00:07:48.040 The son, of course, of the late Shah.
00:07:50.200 Is that likely to be a smooth transition, though?
00:07:53.320 It seems likely to happen, but it isn't going to come without some hurdles. 0.69
00:07:59.420 Well, if you mean smooth transition in terms of the Islamic Republic backing down,
00:08:04.220 we're seeing more and more signs of military defections.
00:08:07.260 But of course, there are a lot of foreign Islamic terrorist groups in the country
00:08:12.420 that certainly do need to be neutralized.
00:08:14.640 However, in terms of the support that he has,
00:08:17.700 he has a support of over 85, 90 percent of Iranians in occupied Iran right now.
00:08:22.580 And one of the chants that they are saying is which means this is the national slogan.
00:08:31.340 And again, they're chanting in Farsi.
00:08:33.180 They're saying which means this is the final battle.
00:08:38.480 Pahlavi will return. 0.84
00:08:39.800 So Iranians already know who they want to lead them and transition them from a totalitarian
00:08:46.300 Islamic dictatorship to a functioning secular democracy.
00:08:49.600 And in fact, he has a plan in place.
00:08:52.700 That plan is available online, by the way, in English.
00:08:55.600 You can go to the website, iranprosperityproject.com,
00:08:59.540 and it's a 170-page document that anyone can download.
00:09:03.280 And, you know, I can't think of any other revolution that's ever happened
00:09:06.980 where they've already had a transitional plan in place
00:09:09.920 that has been publicly available online for half a year.
00:09:13.580 And yet, you know, our plan to transition from a dictatorship to a democracy
00:09:18.160 is already there.
00:09:19.380 It's been viewed by millions of Iranians, and this is why we all support him, because we know that he will take us from a dictatorship to a democracy.
00:09:30.040 And just on that business of a dictatorship, on that issue of a dictatorship, Goldie, just give us some idea of what life has been like for Iranians over the last bunch of years since this horrendous rule has been up and running.
00:09:44.900 it's hell it's hell it's it's a living nightmare um iran is actually the greatest uh occupation in 0.88
00:09:54.360 middle east right now so iran has been occupied by the islamic republic for the last 47 years 1.00
00:10:00.120 um music music is banned joy is banned singing is banned um iranians can be murdered at any time 0.98
00:10:07.880 for any reason you have no human rights um you it's it's it's horrible it's it's it's the worst
00:10:14.480 thing you can imagine um and you know iranians are just fighting for for for freedom like they
00:10:19.940 they just want to have you know we just want to have the same rights in iran that people in the
00:10:24.960 uk or you know other places have and um that in and of itself is enough for the islamic republic 0.52
00:10:31.460 to want to murder iranians and are these those that have been in charge the ayatollah and those
00:10:38.140 surrounding him um just a point of interest on that goldie are they genuinely wedded to a
00:10:45.080 theological doctrine of islamism or are they just using that as a front for power uh whilst probably 0.84
00:10:54.240 enjoying the trappings of all manner of ostentatious and opulent ways of life what is the truth there
00:10:59.880 i i think it's a mix of both i think some of them do genuinely believe but i think there are a lot
00:11:07.060 of them who are just using religion as a tool of control. And the reason I say this is because
00:11:14.040 many of them and many of their children actually live lavish lives in Western countries, whether
00:11:20.360 it's in the United States or the UK or Canada or elsewhere. So these people are basically using
00:11:26.460 Iran as an ATM. They have stolen hundreds of billions of dollars of Iranian money and they're 0.89
00:11:33.260 using it to fund their lavish lifestyles in the West. These people are criminals. They're Islamic 0.99
00:11:38.800 terrorists. And, you know, they're just the most evil, vile people you can ever think of. It's the 1.00
00:11:46.720 Islamic Republic. These protests have been going on for about 13 days, I think, end of December,
00:11:51.500 28th of December or something. I think they began. It's hard to put a timeline on this,
00:11:56.980 Goldie, but what is your own instinct as to when a new power can be up and running and
00:12:06.480 taking Iran in the right direction? When do you imagine Pahlavi would be in charge again?
00:12:14.180 I mean, if it was up to me, I would say right now. I would say right now. But again, we
00:12:18.440 are in the final push. No one can predict what's going to happen. But what I do know
00:12:22.880 is that we are now receiving news of mass slaughter 1.00
00:12:27.920 across the country by the Islamic Republic.
00:12:30.280 However, we're also starting to see some videos trickling in
00:12:33.160 of Iranians who right now are starting to go back out into the streets
00:12:37.040 because His Royal Highness King Nezapahlavi has asked Iranians
00:12:41.340 to go out and demonstrate again tonight en masse
00:12:44.500 at 8 p.m. Iran time, Tehran time,
00:12:47.380 which is in about two hours from now.
00:12:50.240 But we're already seeing people going out there. 0.94
00:12:52.140 And I have a feeling that despite the violence from the Islamic Republic, even more Iranians are going to go out tonight because it really is now or never. 0.98
00:13:01.480 And this is the final push. And all I can ask and pray for is for President Trump to intervene as soon as possible to prevent more slaughter of innocent Iranians at the hands of these Islamic terrorists. 0.99
00:13:14.160 And going forward even further, you see Iran, your country of birth, your own country, as a moderate Muslim country on the world stage, as distinct from an Islamic dictatorship. 0.99
00:13:28.960 Would that define, more or less, how you're referring to the future?
00:13:33.240 No. Iran is not a Muslim country. Less than 20% of Iranians actually identify as Muslim. 1.00
00:13:38.700 Interesting.
00:13:39.020 We're actually a very, yeah, we're a very religiously diverse country.
00:13:42.640 The vast majority of Iranians, I would say, are agnostic or atheist.
00:13:46.680 The two fastest growing religions in the country right now,
00:13:50.140 the first one is Christianity and the second one is Zoroastrianism.
00:13:53.700 However, because the country is governed by Sharia law, the crime for apostasy is death. 0.76
00:13:59.000 And so many Christian converts, many Zoroastrian converts have to practice in secret and underground. 0.66
00:14:04.580 What I can say is that after the fall of the Islamic Republic, 0.91
00:14:07.840 Iran will be a secular, non-religious society.
00:14:12.360 So I think it would be inaccurate to describe Iran as moderate Muslim.
00:14:17.900 The proper description would be a modern, secular society
00:14:25.020 because one thing that we Iranians right now we're committed to,
00:14:28.520 we want complete separation of religious and state,
00:14:32.500 and that's what we're fighting for.
00:14:33.540 We're fighting for a secular democracy.
00:14:35.480 Yeah, which frankly, as far as I can see, of all the different methods of running countries around the world is probably the only most logical and, frankly, intelligent way forward.
00:14:46.380 What a game changer that would be, not just for Iran, but for that region as well.
00:14:51.420 I mean, the message that would send out globally is absolutely huge.
00:15:05.480 You