Goldie Ghamari - Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi speaks at the Council on Foreign Relations on Iran Regime Change

00:00:00.560 well good afternoon good morning everyone wherever you are thank you for joining um

00:00:07.440 if you're tuning in on x uh feel free to go over to youtube if you like and you can join the

00:00:13.520 conversation there um with the youtube um chat um hi everyone welcome for or thanks for joining

00:00:22.800 and let me just get this started here so um I had a few things that I was going to speak about

00:00:30.360 today that I was planning and then two major things happened the first one is of course

00:00:37.860 President Trump came out with his um his statement and we're going to get to that in a moment and the

00:00:47.340 second thing was just literally moments ago King Riza Pahlavi who is the leader of the Iranian

00:00:57.260 official opposition he put out a statement and in exactly one hour he is going to be speaking

00:01:08.200 about the revolution and essentially the day after the overthrow of the Islamic Republic

00:01:16.620 at the Council of Foreign Relations. That is pretty big. Yes, he does go live in 53 minutes

00:01:26.040 and I will be broadcasting him live on this stream as well. So I think it's a little bit

00:01:38.400 too late for me to change the title i don't know how to do that i'm still new to stream yard

00:01:47.280 but definitely stick around because we will um i will be live streaming um

00:01:54.560 his uh his his speech right here so that's that's going to be very important so having said that

00:02:02.560 let's begin with the first piece of news here um so as you may have uh seen president trump

00:02:11.280 came out with a statement um about an hour and a half ago and i'm just going to read this for um

00:02:22.000 for everyone's benefit let me just see i'm still kind of figuring out

00:02:26.160 my screen and how it all works but all right here we go so president trump writes

00:02:35.920 hamas has been a ruthless and violent threat for many years in the middle east they have killed

00:02:43.440 and made lives unbearably miserable culminating with the october 7th massacre in israel 0.93

00:02:50.960 Babies, women, children, old people, and many young men and women, boys and girls,

00:02:57.020 getting ready to celebrate their future lives together.

00:03:00.540 As retribution for the October 7th attack on civilization,

00:03:05.220 more than 25,000 Hamas soldiers have already been killed.

00:03:10.580 I'm glad that he puts soldiers in quotation marks because, of course, they're not soldiers, they're terrorists.

00:03:16.200 Most of the rest are surrounded and militarily trapped, just waiting for me to give the word

00:03:25.240 go for their lives to be quickly extinguished. 0.99

00:03:29.280 As for the rest, we know where and who you are, and you will be hunted down and killed. 1.00

00:03:35.500 I'm asking that all innocent Palestinians immediately leave this area of potentially 1.00

00:03:42.040 great future death for safer parts of Gaza. 1.00

00:03:46.840 Everyone will be well cared for by those who are waiting to help. 1.00

00:03:51.780 Fortunately for Hamas, however, they will be given one last chance. 0.74

00:03:58.420 Great, powerful, and very rich nations of the Middle East and the surrounding areas beyond, 0.98

00:04:05.740 together with the United States of America, have agreed with Israel signing on to peace after 3,000 years in the Middle East. 0.90

00:04:14.480 This deal also spares the lives of all remaining Hamas fighters. 0.61

00:04:19.760 The details of the document are known to the world, and it is a great one for all.

00:04:24.900 We will have peace in the Middle East one way or the other.

00:04:28.760 The violence and bloodshed will stop. 0.53

00:04:32.140 Release the hostages, all of them, including the bodies of those that are dead now. 0.88

00:04:36.900 An agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday evening at 6 p.m. Washington, D.C. time. 0.96

00:04:44.480 Every country has signed on. 0.85

00:04:47.740 If this last chance agreement is not reached, all hell, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas. 0.61

00:04:57.780 There will be peace in the Middle East one way or the other.

00:05:01.660 Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.

00:05:06.900 so it's very interesting here um there's a few things that president trump writes in his statement

00:05:18.540 that caught my eye the first one is that he says all countries have signed on well we know for a

00:05:25.840 fact that the islamic republic occupying iran certainly has not signed on however we do know

00:05:35.100 that the Iranian opposition, under the leadership of King Reza Pahlavi, have made it very clear

00:05:40.940 that they will normalize relations with Israel. So it is very, you know, it's,

00:05:51.320 what's the word I'm looking for? It's justifiable, I guess, to assume that the opposition,

00:06:00.280 that the transitional government and the official opposition to the Islamic Republic

00:06:03.600 would sign on to something like this 100 they would because everyone wants wants peace and

00:06:10.080 Hamas does need to be eradicated so that's very interesting he talks about all countries having

00:06:16.260 signed on but he excludes the Islamic Republic does that mean that the Islamic Republic is 0.92

00:06:24.140 irrelevant does that mean that there's something bigger going on does that mean that he knows that

00:06:32.860 the end of the islamic republic is near and therefore what they think is irrelevant these

00:06:38.200 are some of the questions that are going through my head right now because you know as i've explained

00:06:42.780 before um there is no way in heck i'll say heck because i want to keep it pg-13 but there is no

00:06:50.840 way in heck that khamenei who is the supreme dictator of the islamic republic would ever

00:06:58.840 ever sign on to a peace agreement with israel and that is because um the one of the foundational

00:07:07.020 pillars of the islamic republic um under hominy is this jihad with israel so this is very interesting

00:07:16.180 but you know the concern that i have with this and i'll explain my concern with this statement

00:07:21.360 is that you know i've said this before when you're dealing with terrorists you cannot negotiate with

00:07:28.200 them because they're not rational actors so um you know and and um Prime Minister Netanyahu he

00:07:35.320 knows this because you know he's from the Middle East he's been dealing with terrorists so you know 0.86

00:07:39.440 all of us from the Middle East we understand what their Islamic jihadi ideology is like

00:07:45.020 so when um President Trump first made the the Gaza peace announcement and I and I do have that queued

00:07:53.100 up um and i do want to to play that as well because i think what president trump said is

00:07:58.940 very important and i kind of want to break it down as we go through it because that ties into what

00:08:03.340 he's saying here but when they first made the announcement they basically gave um hamas 72

00:08:11.100 hours not just hamas they also gave iran um and you know i hate to say iran um it's the islamic

00:08:18.380 republic um in iran so they gave the islamic republic in iran uh that same amount of time to

00:08:26.380 agree and sign on to this peace treaty um but of course we know that the islamic republic isn't

00:08:32.940 going to do that so that was you know that first came out they gave 72 hours notice and of course

00:08:40.380 Hamas stalled and pushed back and everything and so this delay tactic that Hamas is doing

00:08:49.180 may or may not be working and the reason that I'm saying this may or may not be working is because

00:08:54.940 what I've noticed between President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu is that President Trump 0.67

00:09:03.660 is really playing the good cop here so there's a good cop bad cop situation going between Israel 0.96

00:09:09.340 and the united states when it comes to dealing with islamic terrorists whether it's hamas 0.83

00:09:14.140 or hezbollah or the hoopis or even the islamic republic and it's a strategy that has been working

00:09:19.660 it really is a strategy that has been working and i want to just remind everyone of uh when

00:09:26.460 sorry my allergies here um i just want to remind everyone um during the 12-day conflict when

00:09:33.340 reporters were asking if president trump was going to um get the united states involved he said you

00:09:39.340 know i'll make a decision within two weeks and then literally within 48 hours you have these v2

00:09:44.780 bombers um that destroyed the islamic republic's nuclear facilities you know fordo and elsewhere

00:09:51.580 so this deadline you know take it with a grain of salt um i don't know i mean this this this could 0.89

00:10:00.540 be the the final chance this could be the last chance um i mean i i do believe this is the last

00:10:08.220 chance i just don't know if this deadline is is firm you know what i mean like i feel like

00:10:16.780 if hamas does something or if the islamic republic does something um that might trigger

00:10:26.380 that might trigger this deadline sooner right i mean i just i don't know i don't know but um

00:10:33.420 i think there's more to the statement than meets the eye because this will have now you know the

00:10:40.540 the deadline here will have essentially been one week right seven days since the proposed peace

00:10:47.620 agreement so i just want to go back now and i want to um let's see how do i do this i think

00:10:55.780 there's a way for me to okay here we go so this is how i can share screens perfect do you see that

00:11:01.860 oh amazing all right so i want i want to play this now i just want to play um the announcement

00:11:09.300 the peace announcement that president trump made um last week and let's go back and listen to that

00:11:16.740 because there's a lot of nuances in his messaging and we're kind of picking up on that now but let's

00:11:24.340 just go back and i'll kind of pause and i'll give my thoughts as um

00:11:42.900 okay i learned something new i i accidentally tried to swipe left and uh i exited my studio

00:11:54.340 there we go let's not make that mistake again all right this is this is why i need to set up

00:12:01.380 two monitors here um so i don't make this mistake but uh all right lesson learned here all right so

00:12:06.980 i'm gonna i'm gonna play this video and let's just listen to this and then you know i want to

00:12:13.300 pick out a few pieces here especially the parts where trump is is referring to um you know he 0.89

00:12:20.180 says Iran, but I like to say the Islamic Republic, because the Islamic Republic is occupying my

00:12:26.340 country of Iran. Of course, as you all may or may not know, I am Iranian. So I like to make that 0.64

00:12:31.860 distinction, as do the vast majority of Iranians. So let's go back and play this now.

00:12:43.380 Thank you very much, everybody.

00:12:44.740 so this is a big big day a beautiful day potentially one of the great days ever in

00:12:54.100 civilization things that have been going on for hundreds of years and thousands of years we're

00:13:01.940 gonna at least we're at a minimum very very close and i think we're beyond very close

00:13:07.540 and i want to thank bb for really getting in there and doing a job we've worked well together

00:13:14.740 as we have with many other countries both of us with many other countries which is the only way

00:13:20.220 this whole situation gets solved and i'm not just talking about gaza gaza is one thing but

00:13:26.780 we're talking about much beyond gaza the whole deal everything getting solved it's called peace

00:13:34.720 in the middle east

00:13:36.120 so today is a historic day for peace and prime minister netanyahu and i have just concluded an

00:13:45.020 important meeting on many vital issues including iran trade the expansion of the abraham accords

00:13:53.460 and most importantly we discussed how to end the war in gaza but it's just a part of the

00:14:02.220 bigger picture, which is peace in the Middle East, and let's call it eternal peace in the

00:14:08.240 Middle East. So this is far more than anybody expected, but the level of support that I've

00:14:15.780 had from the nations in the Middle East and surrounding Israel and neighbors of Israel

00:14:22.100 has been incredible, incredible, every single one of them. This afternoon, after extensive

00:14:27.580 consultation with our friends and partners throughout the region i'm formally releasing

00:14:32.620 our principles for peace which people have really liked i must say and these are done not just

00:14:39.580 routinely done these are done with uh total and total consideration and working with the

00:14:46.300 nations that we're talking about all of these nations have made contributions to those suggestions

00:14:53.500 I want to thank the leaders of many Arab and Muslim Dacians for their tremendous support

00:14:59.180 in developing the proposal, along with many of our allies in Europe.

00:15:04.260 Europe has been very much involved, and as I was called, by many of the European leaders,

00:15:09.300 most of them saying, is this true?

00:15:12.420 Are you really doing peace in the Middle East?

00:15:15.100 This is the most incredible thing we've heard.

00:15:18.120 Some think it's the biggest thing they've ever heard.

00:15:19.960 But they called just to find out, was it just a rumor or is it actually done?

00:15:25.660 And then they said, have you spoken to the Arab leaders?

00:15:28.300 Have you spoken to all of the other leaders that we have to get?

00:15:31.720 A lot of people involved in this one.

00:15:34.360 I also want to thank Prime Minister Netanyahu for agreeing to the plan

00:15:38.000 and for trusting that if we work together, we can bring an end to the death and destruction

00:15:44.460 that we've seen for so many years, decades, even centuries,

00:15:47.760 and begin a new chapter of security, peace, and prosperity for the entire region.

00:15:53.560 And I want to just say that my meetings and dialogue that we had with so many countries,

00:16:02.100 Saudi Arabia is an example, the king is a phenomenal person,

00:16:08.020 the emir of Qatar, who is an incredible people,

00:16:12.320 UIE, and that's MBZ and ABZ. We're totally involved. These are the people that we've been

00:16:22.200 dealing with and who've been actually very much involved in this negotiation, giving us ideas,

00:16:28.140 things they can live with, things they can't live with. Pretty complex. I mean, after 2,000,

00:16:33.920 3,000 years, whatever it is, I guess it's got to be a little complex or it would have been done a

00:16:38.240 long time ago. The King of Jordan was with us, as you know, in the United Nation. President of

00:16:46.540 Turkey, President Erdogan, he's a friend of mine, a strong man, but a good man. President

00:16:54.540 of Indonesia, somebody who's an amazing leader. Prabowo, he is an amazing leader and respected

00:17:05.720 by everybody. He was in the room with us. We were together with most of these people

00:17:11.360 that I'm mentioning. Others were by phone or the next day. The prime minister and the

00:17:18.760 field marshal of Pakistan, they were with us right from the beginning. Incredible. In

00:17:26.100 fact, they just put out a statement that they fully believe in this pact. It just came out

00:17:32.280 just as I was walking around, they said,

00:17:33.800 sir, you have a big notice from the Prime Minister of Pakistan

00:17:38.880 and from the field marshal that they back this 100%.

00:17:42.960 President El-Sisi of Egypt is terrific.

00:17:47.640 And these are people I've gotten to know over the years.

00:17:50.660 I mean, I would say it started around 2015

00:17:54.060 and then went into 2016 when the presidency began, officially began.

00:17:59.760 But I've known him actually for a long time.

00:18:01.880 And there are many cases really great men. I can't say in all cases, but I will tell you, in many cases, they're great men and some great women, too.

00:18:11.140 They tend to be mostly men. However, I will say that.

00:18:15.160 But if accepted by Hamas, this proposal calls for the release of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case more than 72 hours. 0.86

00:18:27.160 so the hostages are coming back and i hate even saying that so that's that's one of the first

00:18:34.980 mistakes that um i want to point out that a lot of well one of the biggest mistakes that a lot

00:18:40.940 of western politicians make is so here he gave a deadline of of 72 hours so this was done on

00:18:46.840 monday so 72 hours you know presumably um like thursday okay so presumably the hostages should

00:18:53.560 all been released by thursday um it's friday right now that hasn't happened now of course

00:18:59.160 hamas is using stalling tactics as we as we know full well um so president trump already gave a

00:19:06.520 deadline here and for him to now give another deadline until sunday um i understand what he's

00:19:16.280 doing because those of us who are um you know civilized rational actors we understand the art

00:19:25.080 of the deal we understand negotiations but i mean i don't know if he knows this or understands this

00:19:33.800 yet or not i mean maybe he does and he's just toying with them but those of us from the middle

00:19:39.640 released we understand that you can't negotiate so the fact that he gave a deadline and now he has

00:19:48.940 extended that deadline so initially he said you know 72 hours so that would have been Thursday

00:19:55.240 but the fact that he now extended that deadline and he's extended it to Sunday um Hamas and their

00:20:04.180 reporters, you know, and all the Islamists in the West, they're not going to see this as a negotiation

00:20:12.020 or grace or anything like that. They are going to see this as a sign of weakness. They are going to

00:20:20.540 see this as a concession by President Trump. And this is only going to embolden them even further

00:20:31.560 to continue on the path that they are going down and you know Igor you're absolutely right you know 0.99

00:20:41.300 the mujahideen you know they don't value life not even their own for those who might not be 0.97

00:20:47.740 aware mujahideen it literally translates to fighters of jihad or warriors of jihad or I don't 0.99

00:20:54.680 know whatever garbage nonsense they want you know it is um and these people are basically 0.89

00:21:02.100 like they're radicalized they're indoctrinated right so for them they are fighting this holy war 0.99

00:21:10.580 and the end result of this holy war is dying this glorious death where they basically become martyrs

00:21:19.240 And then they go to their weird paradise with their 72 virgins, you know, and it's like very, very bizarre version of heaven.

00:21:27.640 I mean, if anyone actually looks at their version of heaven, it's it's very weird.

00:21:35.620 It's basically like it's like a mass orgy and everyone gets drunk.

00:21:41.120 It's it's very bizarre. But this is what they're fighting for.

00:21:43.720 they're they're fighting for this and so these are not rational actors because their entire goal

00:21:50.520 um is to die for allah and become a martyr and then be glorified in the afterlife with their 72

00:21:58.360 virgins so of course i mean when you're trying to negotiate with these people um they're not

00:22:04.520 going to be rational you cannot have a normal conversation with them um so yes um and uh

00:22:14.760 yeah the the mek of course absolutely very good at disguising the mek um i'm not going to get into 0.80

00:22:21.080 them too much here but the mek is like this islamist communist um iranian terrorist group 0.97

00:22:27.080 so i mean they're worse than like they're basically worse than the islamic republic 0.63

00:22:31.560 if that's even possible they're even more hated by iranians and the islamic republic themselves and

00:22:37.000 you know again um there are these fighters of jihad and it's like how how low iq do you have

00:22:43.640 to be to not only be like a communist but like you're an islamist at the same time so it's like 0.98

00:22:48.360 double low iq to even be that idiotic to join this sort of cult but but that's the first mistake i 0.99

00:22:55.960 just wanted to to point out president trump made unless now the only thing i can think of 0.98

00:23:02.280 is that he provided the timeline um so he provided the deadline the first time and today he provided

00:23:10.040 another deadline um and we'll go back and you know actually maybe i'll just pull up that uh that

00:23:16.120 message again so um where is it on this one so here he says um every country has signed on so

00:23:28.440 he's like if this if this last chance agreement is not reached all hell like no one has ever seen

00:23:36.440 before will break out against hamas there will be peace in the middle east one way or the other

00:23:42.920 so i mean it does seem like he's definitely more serious right now um the other thing that he said

00:23:50.520 in his warning today to hamas is he also said to all the um civilians in gaza to leave the area so 0.70

00:24:04.520 he said um i'm asking that all innocent palestinians immediately leave this area of 0.81

00:24:12.360 potentially great future death for safer parts of gaza everyone will be well cared for by those 0.99

00:24:22.040 that are waiting to help so the president of the united states is giving an evacuation order

00:24:31.880 to um the people in gaza i can't recall the last time that i've seen something like that

00:24:42.600 if ever um from the president of the united states but that is very significant so the fact

00:24:50.120 that president trump is giving this evacuation order himself lets me know that there is definitely

00:24:57.960 something brewing behind the scenes it also sends a signal to everyone that israel and the united

00:25:07.320 states are definitely working together and are coordinating and just like president trump said

00:25:16.840 in his speech sorry in his announcement and we're going to go back and finish watching that

00:25:21.240 But just like he said in his announcement, if Hamas does not comply with this proposed peace agreement,

00:25:31.200 then Israel has the green light to go ahead and do whatever it is that they need to do.

00:25:38.040 So let's go back and finish watching President Trump's statement.

00:25:44.280 From the standpoint, it doesn't sound right, but it is so important to the...

00:25:50.400 I'll go back just a little bit so that we can hear his deadline.

00:25:55.500 I will say that. 0.78

00:25:57.540 But if accepted by Hamas, this proposal calls for the release of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case more than 72 hours. 0.88

00:26:10.400 So the hostages are coming back. 0.61

00:26:13.060 And I hate even saying this from the standpoint, doesn't sound right.

00:26:18.120 but it is so important to the parents. The bodies of the young men, I believe in almost

00:26:25.720 all cases, the young men are coming back immediately. I met with parents. Their parents

00:26:33.440 felt as strongly about getting the body of their dead boy back as they did as though

00:26:41.400 the boy were alive and well it's so important to him and it means the immediate end to the war 0.96

00:26:50.200 itself not just gaza it's the war itself under the plan arab and muslim countries have committed

00:27:00.200 and in writing in many cases but i actually would take their word for it the people i

00:27:04.840 mentioned i take their word for it to demilitarize gaza and that's quickly decommission the military

00:27:14.200 capabilities of hamas and all other terror organizations do that immediately and we're

00:27:22.040 relying on the countries that i named and others to deal with hamas and i'm hearing that hamas wants

00:27:29.560 to get this done, too. And that's a good thing. And destroy all terror infrastructure, including

00:27:36.460 the tunnels, weapons, production facilities. They have a lot of production facilities that

00:27:43.120 we're destroying. They'll also help train local police forces in the areas that we're

00:27:51.880 discussing right now, in particular in and around Gaza, working with the new transitional

00:27:58.780 authority in Gaza. All parties will agree on a timeline for Israeli forces to withdraw

00:28:04.540 in phases. They'll be withdrawing in phases. No more shooting, hopefully, as progress is made

00:28:11.600 toward achieving these goals. Arab and Muslim nations need to be allowed the chance to fulfill

00:28:17.440 these commitments of dealing with Hamas. They have to deal with them because they were the 1.00

00:28:23.160 One group that we have not dealt with, I haven't dealt with them, but the Arab countries are going to and Muslim countries are going to be dealing with Hamas. 0.91

00:28:35.900 And I believe they've already. So just a quick note here, he refers to the Arab and Muslim countries. 0.58

00:28:42.500 So that doesn't include Iran. Right. Even though Iran is the you know, it's occupied by the Islamic Republic.

00:28:49.440 It's not a Muslim country. The vast majority of Iranians are not Muslim. 0.99

00:28:53.160 and of course we're not arab either so it's very interesting that he's he's referring to that

00:28:58.200 um and making that distinction here so he doesn't mention um so the way he's referencing it um iran

00:29:05.400 is not included in this so that's very very um an interesting point that i want everyone to kind of

00:29:11.160 like focus on been there i think they probably have an understanding and they haven't maybe

00:29:17.480 mentioned that but i would imagine they do otherwise they wouldn't have gone as far as

00:29:21.800 they've gone if they're unable to do so then israel would have the absolute right and actually our

00:29:28.280 full backing us full banking backing marcos here a lot of our leaders are here our great vice

00:29:34.760 president susan so he's not mincing words president trump is not mincing words he's essentially saying

00:29:42.280 that if um if the various countries do not sign on if hamas does not accept this peace agreement

00:29:50.600 then israel has our full support to do whatever it is they need to do and based on his um his

00:30:00.760 message today let me just go back and bring that up again so that we can uh you know um

00:30:06.280 we can look at this together so based on his message today the fact that he is now telling

00:30:14.120 um people in certain parts of gaza to evacuate and go to safer places

00:30:20.680 um and then he also says you know um all hell like no one has seen before will break out against

00:30:27.240 hamas um that's i mean i would not um ignore that i would not consider that bluffing so it's very

00:30:37.240 very clear that um israel and the united states are getting ready to go in and eradicate hamas

00:30:47.400 once and for all um i cannot see a scenario where hamas will agree to um any sort of peace agreement 0.80

00:31:00.600 with israel because the whole purpose of hamas is like it's this genocidal jihadi

00:31:07.300 um death cult that's essentially was created um for the purpose of waging jihad against israel so

00:31:17.180 if hamas signs this peace agreement with israel it's literally it literally its reason for existing

00:31:26.160 goes away right it's it's the same logic for the islamic republic um the islamic republic 0.71

00:31:33.040 you know khamenei and all those like ayatollahs and terrorists they are never going to agree to 0.79

00:31:40.720 to a peace treaty with israel because that is antithetical to their very purpose the you know 0.98

00:31:48.720 one of the foundational pillars of the islamic republic occupying iran is this fake palestinian 0.69

00:31:55.680 cause is their fake you know weird jihad or whatever against israel um without their jihad 0.76

00:32:03.600 they have no purpose and if you look at the history of the 1979 islamic coup d'etat i like

00:32:11.120 to call it a coup d'etat and not a revolution because it really is an occupation if you look

00:32:16.960 at the history of the 1979 islamic coup d'etat um they came to power on the sort of on this fake

00:32:27.840 palestinian cause right like they used the ally ship and relationship between um the imperial

00:32:35.760 state of iran at the time in israel to um promote their islamo-fascist jihadi agenda and 0.79

00:32:46.960 you know even to this day the islamic republic will continually push and promote all of the

00:32:55.200 jihadi lies and propaganda about um you know palestine the same narratives that you're seeing 0.99

00:33:05.040 in the west you know the things that people talk about right now like the ignorant western 0.99

00:33:09.760 leftists when it comes to oh the genocide and the starvation and you know all that all that nonsense 0.96

00:33:16.160 um that's not new that narrative has been promoted and pushed um in you know radicalized 0.66

00:33:29.120 middle eastern societies for a very long time the islamic republic has constantly pushed that

00:33:34.160 narrative um especially inside of iran and it's one of the reasons that like we iranians we just

00:33:39.760 don't buy it because we're we're used to this propaganda we can smell it a lot like a mile away

00:33:47.120 um and we've pretty much become desensitized to um all of this propaganda because they've been

00:33:53.360 trying to force it down our throats for 47 years we're not buying it um we know exactly what's going

00:34:00.320 on and you know there's the reason that after the october 7 genocidal massacre of you know by hamas

00:34:09.760 of, you know, over 1,200 innocent Jews, one of the first hashtags to come out on social media

00:34:16.120 was Iranians stand with Israel, because we saw exactly what happened. We knew exactly where that

00:34:23.300 ideology was coming from. And we knew exactly who was to blame, which was Hamas. And of course, 0.93

00:34:31.800 you know, funded by the Islamic Republic. So, you know, one of the reasons that the people who

00:34:38.840 are you know claim they're you know pro-Palestine even though they're actually pro-Hamas one of the

00:34:43.280 reasons that you know many of these pro-Hamas organizations don't like us Iranians is because 0.70

00:34:48.640 we call out their BS and you know we're not part of their like Islamic Oma right like this Oma

00:34:55.120 whatever it is um that that they that they call it we're just we're not a part of it we've never 0.92

00:35:00.780 been a part of it um we reject it and you know we don't even have that Arab mindset mentality

00:35:07.700 because we're not arab we're iranian right we are indigenous to iran um the same way that um

00:35:14.980 jewish people are indigenous to the land of israel and you know our collective societies and

00:35:21.060 civilizations goes back thousands of years it's literally in our history um that collective

00:35:27.860 shared history um and we've had that for like thousands of years before islam was even invented

00:35:35.300 right so um it's it's really uh uh irrelevant what what they say but you know that's one of 0.64

00:35:43.380 the reasons that the islamic republic hasn't been able to indoctrinate us because we have

00:35:49.540 that shared history we have that iranian identity that is independent and separate from islam and

00:35:58.820 you know many iranians again we're not we're not muslim we don't identify um as muslim

00:36:06.580 and there's currently a renaissance and an awakening happening within iranian society

00:36:13.540 because uh the more that we're learning about our history you know the history that the islamic

00:36:18.580 republic has tried to hide from us for 47 years um but you know when you hide something from

00:36:23.860 someone they become more interested in it so there's there's this national renaissance

00:36:28.820 that's happening side by side with the with the Iranian revolution and when you look at the history

00:36:38.220 of Iran and Iranians you will find that I mean the very you know the Iranian identity in and of 0.89

00:36:49.620 itself is antithetical to Islam and I will get into that more but Iranians have been fighting 0.99

00:36:54.480 this for 1400 years so this this fight that we have had is not new this is actually a fight

00:37:00.960 against colonization so what is currently happening within iranian society is we are 0.80

00:37:06.720 decolonizing from the religion and identity and mindset of our islamic colonizers and they don't

00:37:15.760 like that so that's why they accuse us of islamophobia right islamophobia is actually a word

00:37:22.640 that was coined by the islamic republic you know decades ago in order to silence iranians

00:37:28.960 who spoke out against the um against the islamic republic and against their you know jihad and

00:37:34.560 their practices and i will definitely speak about that because there are certain um iranian

00:37:43.360 figures within like iranian history that goes back thousands of years that if i was even going to

00:37:50.160 speak about what they did if i was going to speak about um their fight against their you know

00:37:58.400 muslim uh occupiers and muslim oppressors um it would be considered very islamophobic 0.94

00:38:06.800 by today's standards and you know that's one of the dangers of of allowing um this colonizer

00:38:14.720 colonization mindset because you all of a sudden have these people who have oppressed many of us

00:38:21.600 in the middle east they are coming to western countries they are playing the victim card 0.83

00:38:28.160 and by doing so they are silencing the actual victims of islamic colonization and islamic 0.89

00:38:35.280 oppression in the middle east whether those victims are jews whether those victims are

00:38:40.000 iranians whether those victims are the yazidis or you know the um you know so many other groups as

00:38:46.640 well right so there's so many um indigenous minorities in the middle east um religious

00:38:51.600 minorities as well uh you know christians and coptics and others who have been victims of this

00:38:57.280 islamic um colonization so very interesting very interesting part there so you know for president

00:39:05.680 trump now to say that there will be peace in the middle east one way or the other um and you know

00:39:12.080 he says to peace after 3 000 years in the middle east um very interesting because we all know well

00:39:20.800 i mean when i say we i mean us iranians anyway we iranians and those of us who those who um have 0.75

00:39:27.440 been our allies on this journey to overthrow the islamic republic we know that there will not be 0.92

00:39:34.000 any peace in the middle east unless and until the islamic republic is overthrown um and the 0.99

00:39:41.680 islamic republic is thrown into the ash heap of history once and for all um and there's also 0.69

00:39:49.360 something else i want to find this and i'm going to uh see if i can um piece in the middle i'm

00:40:00.080 going to see if i can find it and pull it up here so um the phrase peace in the middle east that's

00:40:08.880 also um a buzzword for the iranian revolution because it's something that our leader king

00:40:19.200 has been saying for a very very long time um he has been using the phrase

00:40:25.360 peace in the Middle East for quite a while so what I'm gonna do is I'm going

00:40:34.680 to play one of his interviews so this was from okay let me see if I can make

00:40:44.500 this work is it working oh look okay you know what I'm getting I'm getting the

00:40:48.940 hang of live streaming and stream yard I still need a second monitor to make it

00:40:52.820 more professional but i'm glad it's working for now so let me just play this uh so this is an

00:40:58.500 interview uh for king is the path levy and guys i am keeping an eye on the clock so as soon as

00:41:06.020 um he goes live on on youtube um i will switch to that and i will broadcast it here uh so that

00:41:14.740 we can watch it together um but here we go so i'm just gonna take this back to the beginning so

00:41:21.380 here's this interview with maria batrimono um about you know how how to get peace in the middle

00:41:29.860 east so again it's this it's this coined phrase peace in the middle east peace in the middle east

00:41:35.700 um he has been saying it um prime minister netanyahu has started to say it and now trump

00:41:41.460 president trump is now saying peace in the middle east right once and for all we all know what the

00:41:48.180 root cause of the issues are. The root cause of terrorism is in the Middle East. It's the 0.79

00:41:53.500 Islamic Republic. So let's let's tune into this because I think this is going to be a 0.99

00:41:58.280 very good segue into King Reza Pahlavi speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations. So here

00:42:06.400 we go. There is a deal here that would reintegrate Iran into the global economy that would be 1.00

00:42:11.760 really good for the Iranian people, but would result in the complete cessation of any chance 0.94

00:42:17.440 that they can get a nuclear weapon. That's option A. Option B is very bad. It's very bad for 1.00

00:42:22.020 everybody, and it's not what we want, but it's better than option C, which is Iran getting a 0.96

00:42:26.500 nuclear weapon. That is what is completely off the table. And that was Vice President J.D. Vance

00:42:33.460 yesterday at the Munich Security Conference in Washington, discussing the importance of making

00:42:37.820 a deal with Iran and no nuclear weapon allowed. The comments coming as President Trump said that

00:42:44.300 He believes the fighting with the Houthis is over.

00:42:47.200 Watch. 0.98

00:42:49.380 As you know, we had a very good outcome with the Houthis, 0.98

00:42:54.440 and we honor their word. 0.99

00:42:56.240 I mean, they made a commitment,

00:42:58.380 and we dealt with other countries that were close to them

00:43:02.080 and their surrogates, and we honor all of their words.

00:43:06.060 We'll see what happens.

00:43:06.980 I believe that hopefully that's over with,

00:43:10.020 and they'll leave the ships alone.

00:43:12.400 The next round of U.S.-Iran nuclear talks will likely be this upcoming weekend in Oman.

00:43:17.440 But first, joining me right now is the exiled crown prince of Iran, the former—His Royal Highness Rezat Pahlavi is here in studio.

00:43:26.300 Your Royal Highness, great to have you.

00:43:27.720 Maria, thank you for having me again.

00:43:29.320 Thank you so much for being here.

00:43:30.940 Give us your take on that, what you just heard, that the fighting with the Houthis is over.

00:43:35.180 Should we believe that?

00:43:36.240 And what about a potential deal with this current regime in Iran?

00:43:40.920 The past 40 years has demonstrated to everyone that has followed Iran that the demeanor and

00:43:47.240 the pattern of behavior of this regime has remained consistent only in one way, 0.98

00:43:51.880 and that is to continue fomenting regional instability and conflict as a means of its

00:43:57.720 own survival by financing its proxies and utilizing them as an instrument of pressure

00:44:03.560 or intimidation across the world. The Houthis are just one example of that. 0.92

00:44:07.560 the majority of the funding came from Iran, the training, the weapons. So, you know, it's not that

00:44:13.400 they say we are going to quit the fight. Who is to say they're not going to start it again once

00:44:17.640 Iran will start funding them again? Because this is what the regime is most likely to do.

00:44:21.720 Khamenei said that this is a temporary setback, and he was forced into accepting

00:44:26.200 the climate of indirect talks, only to buy some time to the regime. They have done that before.

00:44:32.040 So nothing leads us to believe that this time they have a complete change of behavior or attitude.

00:44:37.800 And that's something that we should not fall into the trappings that this regime has set,

00:44:42.220 not just to the current administration, but to previous administrations,

00:44:46.220 and has always taken advantage of that in order to prolong its own survival.

00:44:50.160 I think President Trump is aware of the sentiments that you're making this morning, Reza.

00:44:55.360 And I just wonder if, in fact, there is a different tact that this administration should be taking at this point.

00:45:01.620 President Trump told me exclusively two months ago he sent a letter to Khomeini and then they

00:45:07.480 tried to mock that letter. What is the right approach? The president was absolutely correct

00:45:14.200 during his first administration. The campaign of maximum pressure paid positive dividends.

00:45:19.300 It forced Iran to do a retreat, cut a lot of the revenue that the regime would have had access to.

00:45:25.220 Unfortunately, it was reversed under the Biden administration. The regime had in excess of

00:45:29.640 $200 billion it should not have had, which was, of course, spent on not the people of Iran who are

00:45:35.440 starving on the streets, but by reinforcing their proxies. October 7th was not just a coincidence.

00:45:41.000 It's a result of that continued funding of the regime of its terror network. That is the component

00:45:47.000 that President Trump, during his first administration, understood. Now, and as I said many times

00:45:53.560 before, including on your show, maximum pressure in itself is not sufficient to remedy the problem.

00:45:59.800 There has to be parallel to maximum pressure, a policy of maximum support to the Iranian people.

00:46:05.000 Now, why is this important? Vice President Vance is talking about reintegration.

00:46:09.800 The Iranian people are your true partner in peace. They are the alternative to a

00:46:14.600 warmongering regime that has called death to Israel and death to America since its inception.

00:46:20.520 It's not just a slogan. It's an actual belief. The IRGC as a stated mission has to export this

00:46:27.000 revolutionary ideology across the world. They are not there to sue for peace and coexistence

00:46:32.280 with their neighbors or beyond. That's what is missing in the ultimate understanding of foreign 0.52

00:46:37.640 governments looking into Iran as to what is the alternative here. Of course, Iranians want to be 1.00

00:46:43.560 integrated in free societies because they share the same values of the free world, not this regime.

00:46:48.840 So negotiating with a regime that in its own DNA is simply incompatible with such integration is

00:46:55.160 a waste of time. And the regime is gaining by dragging the feet to prolong its existence,

00:47:01.640 hoping that maybe they will survive this administration only to come back again and

00:47:06.280 continue its policy of radicalism and violence. So when you look at Iran, I think this administration 0.95

00:47:14.520 and many other governments should look beyond the regime itself and look at what's on the streets of

00:47:19.380 Iran, what's the demand of the people. The people who chant, they lie to us. They say America is

00:47:24.300 the enemy. Our enemy is right here in Iran. That's what the people are saying. So that's the big 0.97

00:47:31.180 distinction that needs to be understood at every phase of any discussions going on. It's a very

00:47:35.320 important point. And that is why the people of Iran keep chanting for you to return. I mean, 0.96

00:47:40.040 And I want to get your take on regional partners and potential help from the region.

00:47:45.020 President Trump is set to visit the Middle East next week.

00:47:48.400 He told reporters yesterday he's yet to make a decision about potentially renaming the Persian Gulf.

00:47:54.160 Watch this.

00:47:55.920 We're referring to the Persian Gulf as the Arabian Gulf.

00:47:58.480 Are you going to make that announcement?

00:47:59.600 They're going to ask me about that when I get there, and I'll have to make a decision.

00:48:03.220 So you're going to make a decision?

00:48:04.240 I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

00:48:05.800 I don't know if feelings are going to be hurt.

00:48:08.040 Why have a case right over here?

00:48:09.280 It's called Gulf of America.

00:48:11.500 And I guess a lot of people get ideas from us.

00:48:14.540 That never happened, by the way.

00:48:15.280 But the Gulf of America was something I thought should have been named a long time ago.

00:48:20.880 I'm going to be given a briefing on that.

00:48:23.440 It was just done.

00:48:24.880 Then I'll make a decision.

00:48:27.280 Your Highness, the Gulf of Persia sits between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

00:48:31.060 It is strategically important for both nations.

00:48:34.600 You wrote about this and tweeted about this yesterday.

00:48:37.360 Tell us your thoughts.

00:48:38.120 Well, I mean, there's a video of President Trump, I think about 35 years ago, clearly

00:48:44.740 referring to the Persian Gulf as the Persian Gulf, because he, like many other people around

00:48:49.880 the planet, for generations going to school, learned this body of water to be called the

00:48:54.980 Persian Gulf, has been the name for millennia, and that's the way it's going to be in the

00:48:59.280 future.

00:48:59.740 You cannot change a name strictly with a stroke of a pen.

00:49:02.540 That's just a reality, and that's the end of the conversation.

00:49:04.880 I don't think there's any argument to be made about how to call that body of water. 0.99

00:49:08.940 Well, the Iranian people took to the streets again.

00:49:11.400 They are protesting this regime.

00:49:13.800 They want their freedom.

00:49:15.540 They know who their customer is in the Iranian regime.

00:49:19.120 What do you want to say to the Iranian people this morning?

00:49:21.380 I think the Iranian people have a legitimate expectation that the free world that they

00:49:29.400 look towards for help and support. The same world that promises values of freedom, of democracy,

00:49:36.200 of human rights, of fighting discrimination of any form, represent an alternative to a regime

00:49:43.740 that from the very beginning has repressed its own people, had murdered its own citizens.

00:49:48.500 And it is natural for them to expect this from the free world. They get 0.79

00:49:54.700 dissuaded, I mean, not dissuaded is the wrong word, but they get depressed over the fact that

00:50:00.900 when they're chanting so courageously, and we saw that at least in the last couple of years

00:50:07.560 since the Massa revolution, that despite the repression, they're still there fighting

00:50:12.800 without any help whatsoever. Imagine what they could do if they had such support. Now,

00:50:18.340 there's one element that I think should be part of the calculation. It's not just, as I said

00:50:24.860 earlier, the concept of maximum pressure and support that would benefit the Iranian people

00:50:29.380 in their fight for liberation. But understand that in any change of these kind of regimes,

00:50:34.860 to put an end to this kind of totalitarian regime, we saw it in the Soviet Union, we saw it in South

00:50:38.720 Africa and other systems, there's also a question of defections from the regime towards the people.

00:50:44.240 and people will defect more likely from the regime towards the people if they took that

00:50:49.560 pressure seriously and saw that this is an opportunity now to abandon ship. That's also

00:50:54.640 very important. So I can understand diplomacy, but up to a point. And what I always said is that

00:51:00.780 often we have heard diplomats in Europe and here say, if option A, which is diplomacy fails,

00:51:06.520 let's go straight to now, let's strike them. What happens to the people as an alternative here? Why

00:51:11.700 not give them a chance before you have to resort to more drastic measures and that opportunity is

00:51:16.740 right in front of our eyes it's the people that represent the alternative and the distinction

00:51:21.540 between the people of iran and the regime well let's not forget iran has its own propaganda

00:51:26.420 campaigns throughout the world including america the senator from texas ted cruz calling on his

00:51:32.420 alma mater princeton university to dismiss a former high-ranking iranian regime official

00:51:39.140 who is currently still at the school as a Middle East security and nuclear policy specialist.

00:51:45.740 Senator Cruz responded directly to him on X. He writes this,

00:51:49.120 I try not to be in the room with people linked to Iranian terrorists who have murdered dozens

00:51:54.220 of dissidents. Your books are unreadable. And the only debate you should be having is with DHS

00:51:59.640 agents, Homeland Security, at the end of which you should be deported. Your reaction?

00:52:05.100 Look, Maria, in the early 80s, and I was witness to it, when many Iranian dissidents

00:52:10.040 were assassinated on European soil as a result of some negligence and maybe this affair attitude 0.69

00:52:15.380 that has now moved all the way and infiltrated the Western hemisphere, including the United

00:52:20.540 States.

00:52:21.340 You know, when you think of a terrorist regime and its militia, you shouldn't only assume

00:52:25.240 that they are in military gear with machine guns or hand grenades.

00:52:29.320 Many of them are civilians, infiltrating and penetrating think tanks, lobbyists, influencers, even universities.

00:52:37.020 We shouldn't be surprised.

00:52:38.000 Last week, they arrested eight people attempting an attack on the Israeli embassy in England.

00:52:42.380 This is part, again, of the pattern of behavior of this regime.

00:52:45.840 As they're sitting down negotiating a deal with the American side, their elements are still at work.

00:52:53.760 Unbelievable.

00:52:54.600 Quote, unquote, negotiating.

00:52:56.360 Right.

00:52:56.700 Reza, thank you so much for your time.

00:52:58.200 Thank you again.

00:52:58.680 for your leadership thank you so much appreciate you joining us raise up paul lavin

00:53:04.280 so let me just um change this here um all right i think i i think i changed the title of my

00:53:15.640 stream on x because we are getting close let me see if i did it properly here

00:53:22.360 no idea no idea if it worked or not all right but um so we're getting close to uh king this

00:53:31.300 speech that he's going to make at the council of foreign relations um i'm keeping an eye on that

00:53:40.940 so as soon as uh as soon as it begins i will let you know um and we will change to that stream so

00:53:51.320 this interview with king was um on may 9 so it was about roughly uh half a year ago or so and at

00:54:00.360 that point he was talking about the um iranian people's desire to overthrow the islamic republic

00:54:08.200 and of course you know um and of course you know take the take the country back and reclaim it

00:54:15.160 now there's a lot that has happened since then um you know one of the big things and

00:54:20.760 i haven't really spoken about this yet but i will i'll mention this briefly while we're waiting for

00:54:27.400 the live stream to start let me just um make sure that i have the live stream going here on my phone

00:54:35.640 so that as soon as it begins i'll know to switch over um to my laptop this is why i need to get

00:54:41.560 two monitors but anyways oh am i hearing something let me see

00:54:50.760 Name and affiliation before asking your question.

00:55:14.920 you so much I'm not I'm not seeing the live stream here let me see

00:55:32.760 Well, good afternoon, everyone.

00:55:46.520 It's a pleasure to see you all here on a lovely Friday in Washington, finally.

00:55:53.960 It gives me great pleasure to welcome to the Council on Foreign Relations Reza Pahlavi.

00:56:01.460 This meeting is on the record, so the usual council rules actually don't apply.

00:56:08.200 Reza Pathavi and I will engage in a conversation between the two of us for about half an hour,

00:56:13.180 and then we'll open it up to Q&A.

00:56:15.120 And I just want to say that when I was a sixth grader writing an essay about the Iranian

00:56:21.600 hostage crisis, I never imagined I would be sitting here with a fellow resident of Potomac,

00:56:27.820 talking about Iranian politics.

00:56:32.080 Well, welcome to the council once again.

00:56:36.580 Let's start out.

00:56:40.920 In the late 1970s,

00:56:43.440 Iranians rose up and overthrew the regime that your father led. 0.56

00:56:49.880 Why would they now choose to restore the monarchy?

00:56:55.920 and what is your vision for Iran?

00:57:01.680 Hello, everyone. I'm very happy to be here in this prestigious gathering. I know the

00:57:07.600 Council on Foreign Relations and their work over the years. I think I've had two or three occasions

00:57:15.520 prior to participate in some meetings in the early 80s and then later on. So I'm glad to be one more

00:57:22.240 time amidst this group no i don't think this is about restoration or about a particular outcome

00:57:31.120 it's about democracy and self-determination and i think whatever iranians thought back then if you

00:57:37.680 listen to what the gen z of iran says today about that generation is what the hell were you thinking

00:57:45.760 and you put us in this mess so how are we going to liberate ourselves now from what has been the 0.89

00:57:51.600 net result. 0.98

00:57:53.740 So I think today the viewpoint and the vision of Iranians who, by the way, have become more

00:57:59.840 than ever aspiring to something that is in fact a very unifying theme, which is a sense

00:58:09.980 of national identity against a regime that from the very beginning tried to crush every

00:58:15.400 aspect of Iranian culture, history, from celebrating Nooruz all the way to other things.

00:58:26.100 In other words, an Iranian renaissance against the most anti-Iranian regime we've ever seen,

00:58:32.280 not to mention the fact that it's been extremely repressive, and I don't think there's anybody 0.88

00:58:36.920 in this room which would deny the fact that perhaps this is the most sinister regime we

00:58:41.920 have encountered in modern history that encompasses the worst of all the evil regimes we have

00:58:48.320 witnessed. Totalitarian in one way like the Soviet Union was, fascist in a way like the

00:58:56.240 Third Reich and the Hitler regime was, racist in the sense that the apartheid regime in South 0.83

00:59:02.400 Africa was, and yet it's still sitting there imprisoning the Iranian people on the one hand 0.89

00:59:08.800 and threatening the stability of the world including being a threat to this country's 0.92

00:59:14.800 interests and national security so long story what is the perspective in iran now and why am

00:59:20.080 i here and what is my role my role is not to run for office i'm not my role however is to maximize

00:59:27.040 the chance for my fellow competitors to be able to liberate themselves and decide ultimately via

00:59:34.000 the ballot box and ultimately by a referendum what it is that I ultimately would like to have

00:59:40.080 as a secular democratic government to replace this religious dictatorship. This is all our campaign

00:59:46.720 and this has been our struggle all these years and we hope to be able to know that in this campaign

00:59:51.200 we're not alone and we would have the support and the solidarity of democracies that are of the same

00:59:59.520 viewpoints and values that we cherish unlike a regime that stands totally against them and

01:00:04.000 that's what the fight is all about values of liberty equality human rights versus a regime

01:00:09.760 that has stamp you know stamp samples on it from the very beginning and that's the cause that we

01:00:14.720 are all fighting today let me let me follow up on that for a second because i think you made a little

01:00:18.640 bit of news in that in that statement if the iranian regime were to fall however it does

01:00:26.720 you would not necessarily put yourself forward to lead the new regime as democracy you would

01:00:35.840 be among candidates or you wouldn't be a candidate at all again it's not being a candidate for the

01:00:40.560 job of ruling it's it's i've offered the role of leading this campaign of transition why because

01:00:47.680 this is the ask of the majority of my fellow compatriots who have a trust in me to be able

01:00:52.960 to play that role for them so i'm my job is to unify as much as possible the democratic opposition

01:01:01.280 my job is to bring as much support as possible to the people themselves my job is also to mobilize

01:01:07.360 as much as possible the diaspora and this is based on a five-point plan that i have

01:01:13.600 initiated at least in the last couple of years which includes maximum pressure on the regime

01:01:20.320 which is something that the world is doing a snapback is being re-implemented that's

01:01:25.200 one aspect of what external pressure could be maximum support to the people meaning that parallel

01:01:31.680 to a campaign of maximum pressure there has to be an element of maximum support assuming we want to

01:01:37.840 go beyond appeasement and this time seriously consider that an end of this regime is ultimately

01:01:43.840 the solution but it's done at the hand of the Iranian people not by means of foreign intervention

01:01:48.240 or anything like that so you need to be able to actually have an element of more direct support

01:01:53.520 to the people be able to also as a consequence encourage maximum defections from regime elements

01:02:02.560 to the people to minimize the the cost of change to the joining people and have a better chance

01:02:11.040 of a smoother transition post-regime collapse than any other scenarios and ultimately and

01:02:17.600 parallel to all of this, a plan of Iran prosperity and reconstruction, which is an IPP project that

01:02:23.520 I've also launched about two years ago. So the combination of all of these is part and components

01:02:27.840 of what we have done over the last at least two years. And I guess the question that everybody

01:02:34.640 might have is, okay, we've seen several uprisings in Iran, at least in the last five years,

01:02:40.800 the last one being the Massa Amini murder that triggered the Woman Life Freedom Movement.

01:02:46.160 and why is it that until now we haven't really seen the ultimate uprising of people and the

01:02:51.040 simple answer is well this is an extremely repressive regime and instead of restricting

01:02:57.440 the regime in its abilities it has in fact been emboldened by means of the wrong policies or

01:03:03.920 approach especially in the western world again appeasement again the release of funds that they

01:03:09.200 should not have had access to that did not serve in the sense of helping the starving nation in

01:03:14.720 Iran, but fortifying the proxies, arming them, equipping them. I would say that October 7th

01:03:20.560 was not a coincidence. But all of this ties into what we can do to equal the playing field for the

01:03:26.960 Iranian people. So this time they have an actual chance, should they commit to an ultimate campaign

01:03:32.000 of uprising, not to be crushed yet again by a very repressive regime. And this is why we need to be

01:03:37.680 able to work with the free world, those countries that understand the dynamics of change via civil

01:03:43.600 disobedience and domestic uprising as opposed to by means of war or foreign intervention or occupation

01:03:49.840 because that's not the direction we want to go at all and that's why i say the change of

01:03:54.160 regime in iran is a very different scenario than what we've experienced in recent years since 9 11

01:03:59.840 what happened in afghanistan or iraq or anything else how do you you've invoked the iranian people

01:04:06.000 and the iranian diaspora i want to get to that in a minute but you've invoked the iranian people any

01:04:09.440 number of times how do you as a leader of this movement and put yourself forward to lead a

01:04:14.640 transition if not the country how do you gauge the strength of the opposition to iran especially

01:04:21.920 after the so-called 12-day war it's hard for me to call it 12-day war it just seems weird but how

01:04:28.960 after that there's been this wave of repression in in iran so how do you know sitting here how

01:04:36.800 strong the opposition is and how do you know that they can be successful? I guess what I'm asking is

01:04:43.760 if you think it's strong, how do you think this is going to actually happen?

01:04:47.200 Well, information certainly gets to us. I mean, there are ways of circumventing the regime's

01:04:54.160 attempt to curtail the ability of people to communicate. Social media has a big role to

01:04:58.720 play in this, but also other challenges that are more safe for certain elements that will be in a

01:05:03.520 position of giving us critical uh intel on what's happening on the grounds inside iran both on the

01:05:10.080 domestic side i mean the civilian side as well as the military and parametric forces as a matter of

01:05:14.960 fact when i announced in a press conference in paris i don't exactly know how many months ago

01:05:22.000 it was but it was within this calendar year that's where i announced a campaign where we will

01:05:27.760 announce the qr code that people from inside who wish to cooperate or to defect from the

01:05:33.120 regime can connect with us and share with us their information and in the first few weeks we

01:05:40.080 had over 60 000 people who applied i don't know what the number is now it's probably greater than

01:05:45.040 that information of course that needs to be vetted and analyzed to make sure that these are actually

01:05:50.480 legitimate people that they are not being infiltrated or penetrated by double agents

01:05:55.200 but that's very telling because these are people who would be in the military in the paramilitary

01:06:00.560 in the civilian bureaucracy and the reason it's important is because the whole point of my

01:06:07.920 strategy in this campaign of putting an end to this regime cannot not have a factor of

01:06:16.560 maximum inclusion of elements that can survive regime change and my default position has been

01:06:24.000 anyone whose hand is not soiled with the blood of the Iranian people should have a possibility of 0.80

01:06:31.040 seeing a place for themselves post-regime collapse. We don't want debatification. We don't want that 0.98

01:06:36.240 mess. And of course the Iranian people have the right to seek justice and they will have their 1.00

01:06:41.840 day in court and those responsible will have to account for their crime. But majority of these 0.99

01:06:46.480 people who are not part of this top echelon of the regime that benefits from these arrangements, 0.55

01:06:50.880 It's a mafia that's just sucking the blood out of Iran and its resources. 0.88

01:06:54.800 Once they're out, those are the people who stand to face the music. 1.00

01:06:58.640 Would they rather stand with a sinking ship or do they think that this is the moment now

01:07:02.720 to join with the resistance and the movement of liberation?

01:07:05.920 And we are providing them an option so they are not in no man's land.

01:07:09.920 That also depends on how the world responds to this phenomenon because you cannot on the one hand

01:07:14.800 ask people to defect and for people to rise if the world is still trying to negotiate

01:07:19.920 yet another deal with this regime or push back or postpone this opportunity. And this window is

01:07:25.920 open right in front of us right now, but it won't last forever. So we have to start calculating

01:07:30.720 whether there needs to be a policy reset from a four decades long collective policy of the Western

01:07:37.200 world, America and its European lives included, that has been mostly containment and appeasement,

01:07:42.480 or we need to move to the next level now. Because I think this regime has given far more chances

01:07:48.000 to come clean, and they haven't. And how long do we want to kick the can down the road and say,

01:07:52.400 not under my watch? This is really what we're facing right now.

01:07:55.600 I'm kind of digging the way history is rhyming here. We've gone from cassette tapes in the 70s

01:08:00.000 to QR codes in the first quarter of the 21st century. I was going to ask you about the Iranian

01:08:05.920 diaspora, but you mentioned something a couple of times about Western appeasement. So it's fair to 1.00

01:08:11.280 say that you are opposed to a new nuclear agreement should one materialize or should

01:08:17.760 should there be negotiations for a new nuclear agreement?

01:08:21.620 Well, first, I don't see one coming.

01:08:23.340 And I think it's we are past that point

01:08:25.460 because the regime right now is so brittle

01:08:27.520 and so vulnerable that as a last resort,

01:08:30.820 I don't think they will cave in.

01:08:33.100 In fact, they might double down.

01:08:35.260 And they have done that in the past.

01:08:37.080 What leads us to believe that this time they say,

01:08:38.940 mea culpa, now we're gonna be good guys.

01:08:41.140 They had ample opportunities to do that.

01:08:43.400 They were offered far better deals

01:08:46.260 the last offer they had received. We can rewind tape all the way back to the days of Khatami 0.98

01:08:52.900 and they still didn't take it. But the question should be why didn't take it? It's because the

01:08:58.980 DNA and nature of this regime is such that they cannot coexist in the same sphere of rationality

01:09:06.740 of the world as we know it. Their entire existence depends on exporting this ideology.

01:09:11.860 That was the entire purpose from day one. 0.54

01:09:17.240 Khomeini, who then was champion as the person who would liberate Iran by those who led that

01:09:26.560 campaign against the previous regime, could not have imagined what the consequences would

01:09:35.080 be.

01:09:36.080 But if he only had listened to a simple answer that he gave in an interview to journalists

01:09:40.740 As he was flying back in that 747 Air France Boeing to Tehran.

01:09:45.820 And he was asked after 15 years in exile, what is your feeling returning to Iran?

01:09:50.080 You know what he answered?

01:09:52.240 Nothing. 0.98

01:09:54.360 That set the tone of what Khomeini or this Islamic revolution was all about. 0.86

01:10:00.500 It was not even about Islam.

01:10:03.740 Because if you ask Iranian clerics today who are not part of the regime, never in our history

01:10:10.040 Has that particular faith been so damaged and people turning out from the faith?

01:10:15.620 Right now in Iran, the largest, fastest growing religion is Christianity.

01:10:20.040 We have over 1500 underground churches in Iran.

01:10:24.600 You all remember, talking about your article, that back then the first exodus of Iranians

01:10:30.340 that were forced to exile were people who were immediately persecuted by the regime

01:10:34.880 because they were Jewish or they were Baha'is and what have you. 1.00

01:10:39.220 And yet they came to this country, many of them run this country, but they're dreaming

01:10:43.160 of an opportunity to be able to help Iran again.

01:10:46.580 And how good that would be for Iranians and how good it would be for this country.

01:10:50.600 What stands between that future is this regime that continues to take hostages, that continues 0.52

01:10:57.040 to fund, whenever they can, elements to bring more instability in the region.

01:11:01.940 Bottom line, they are the ultimate problem. 1.00

01:11:04.220 The Iranian people know that. 1.00

01:11:06.400 Many people in the world are beginning to recognize that.

01:11:09.100 The question is, is there the political will to do something about it?

01:11:12.680 And that's the part that I'm afraid to say I have seen so far missing.

01:11:16.900 I'm not saying it's going to remain like this all the time.

01:11:19.620 But there needs to be a clearer process of making decisions. 0.98

01:11:24.840 And I always remember two eras in history that marked and defined the world as Minuit. 0.55

01:11:31.720 One was during the Second World War when you had Roosevelt and you had Churchill. 0.92

01:11:36.760 And that combination ultimately put an end to the Third Reich. 0.65

01:11:43.300 The second time Iran was Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. 0.59

01:11:46.780 They were able to bring an end to the Soviet Union and of course Gorbachev had a role to 0.68

01:11:50.380 play in that. 0.67

01:11:51.380 Agreed. 0.70

01:11:52.380 Today the question is, we are faced with a situation where this very same Iranian regime 0.97

01:11:57.180 that the British government tried to appease is stealing drone technology by sending students 0.88

01:12:02.760 in British universities to transfer it back to Iran to serve the Russians in the campaign

01:12:07.160 against Ukraine, just on that front? 0.99

01:12:10.260 What would be the prospect of a world where the whole region might be yet again dominated

01:12:15.660 by another kind of superpower that does it in a different way?

01:12:19.240 And I'm talking about China, obviously, or for that matter what happens right now in

01:12:23.980 the symbiosis between the Iranian regime and Moscow when it comes to the Ukraine conflict.

01:12:29.780 All of that being a situation where no Western leader has yet to identify the problem and

01:12:35.400 the head of the state.

01:12:36.400 So we are trying to appease the biggest culprit that is the reason for all of this instability.

01:12:42.640 And I don't understand at the end of the day what's the rationale behind that formulation

01:12:47.300 of foreign policy.

01:12:48.580 I asked David Cameron when I was in London two months ago, why is it that you're not

01:12:54.120 subscribing the IRGC as a terrorist organization?

01:12:58.480 And his answer was, well, our basic thinking and the foreign office is we don't want to

01:13:04.160 use our channel of diplomacy, which is our embassy in Tehran.

01:13:07.980 Really?

01:13:08.980 Didn't you use Switzerland as an interim or the Qataris for another reason?

01:13:13.240 Do you really are telling me that you are afraid of subscribing the IRGC just because

01:13:16.980 you don't want to lose a diplomatic channel with the Tehran regime?

01:13:19.980 Come on.

01:13:21.980 But that's one of the problems, among others.

01:13:24.980 I started out the question about nuclear negotiations. Would a post-Islamic republic 0.97

01:13:30.420 pursue nuclear technology? Recognizing that much of the infrastructure is not workable at the

01:13:36.740 moment, but there are still Iranian nuclear scientists. There is no-how. I'm sure there 1.00

01:13:42.900 are sites that the United States and Israel did not find. Would it pursue nuclear?

01:13:49.620 From the very beginning, it just didn't make any sense for me to consider Iran as a

01:13:54.740 country that would be in a situation to actually have nuclear reactors for a number of reasons.

01:14:02.100 But didn't your father start the program?

01:14:03.540 Well, I will explain. But let me, okay, we'll go back. Yes. In the 60s,

01:14:08.100 when we were starting to look at other sources to provide electricity and not use fuel only as a

01:14:15.380 source for generation of electricity, you know, thinking more of the byproducts in petrochemicals

01:14:20.820 and what have you at the time we started looking at different options there were gas turbines who

01:14:26.020 were not efficient enough at the time and rather expensive solar energy which was really its

01:14:31.460 infancy nothing to do what it could be today and of course nuclear and we came to nuclear because

01:14:37.140 ultimately was more cost effective which is why iran signed the mpt we had shares in framaton

01:14:43.140 which was i think the entity that would have provided the nuclear rods for the two first

01:14:48.420 reactors that were supposed to come online in Boucher in 1982. And of course, in the middle

01:14:52.900 of all this revolution happened. That was the calculation back then. But when I look at Iran,

01:14:59.700 on a seismic plate, very little water and access to water in low population area, it just doesn't

01:15:05.380 lend itself to it. And I think today there are so many technologies in renewable energies,

01:15:10.260 solar being one of them, that Iran is a perfect candidate for, that we can certainly bypass

01:15:16.900 that nuclear aspect in 2021, 25, as opposed to 1971 or 72. Anyway, that's my personal viewpoint. 0.55

01:15:27.540 I leave it to the experts to assess that. I'm just sorry to see that billions and billions

01:15:32.980 of dollars have been wasted on this program that has yet to generate any, in any practical way,

01:15:40.420 electricity, but something that is even worse is that as far as the nuclear ambition program

01:15:46.320 of this regime, it has cost our country over a trillion dollars worth of loss or damage.

01:15:56.440 So the whole narrative is shifting towards let's be sane in mind, let's be concerned

01:16:02.340 about environmental issues, and I've been spending a lot of time with Iranian entrepreneurs

01:16:09.040 and American entrepreneurs, many of them in the fields of how can we best tackle this

01:16:15.280 thing and Iran's energy needs and requirement.

01:16:18.080 More often than not, the nuclear issue doesn't even pop up, number one.

01:16:21.360 Number two, I think that as far as the possibilities of having more impact in terms of Iran's

01:16:29.120 economy, I think these other industries will provide much more immediate jobs for the country

01:16:34.000 than any nuclear program would.

01:16:37.100 But again, this is my personal opinion.

01:16:39.780 So the future of Iran has to be on par with making sure that we are using the safest technologies, 0.99

01:16:48.480 the ones that are most beneficial, and steer away from anything that could be subject to

01:16:53.860 question.

01:16:55.460 And we will operate in full transparency as we did before, unlike a regime that has never

01:17:00.240 been transparent on the subject.

01:17:02.500 If you ask Grossi and the IAEA,

01:17:04.100 what's their take on the Iranian ambitions?

01:17:07.320 They still won't be able to give you a clear answer.

01:17:09.580 Reason more when you ask me about the nuclear negotiations.

01:17:12.580 That's one of the issues.

01:17:13.760 Can you actually trust them and what they tell you

01:17:15.600 or what they commit to?

01:17:17.340 Let's go back to domestic politics in Iran.

01:17:22.500 Your critics, my apologies, your critics, not me.

01:17:26.220 They contend that one,

01:17:28.540 the Iranian opposition is terribly divided

01:17:32.780 and that the diaspora community is terribly divided

01:17:36.880 and that you've been unable to unite the diaspora community.

01:17:40.820 So they question whether you'd be able to unite Iranians

01:17:44.500 around a transition after the collapse

01:17:47.240 of the Islamic Republic.

01:17:48.220 How do you answer that question?

01:17:49.480 What is the state of your movement

01:17:51.960 and how do you plan to unite Iranians

01:17:54.500 who have very, very different views

01:17:56.260 about a post-Islamic republic around?

01:17:58.760 Well, for anybody who is interested in the facts

01:18:01.500 rather than the narratives,

01:18:02.860 I will point them to the facts.

01:18:04.820 And the best fact that I can point them to

01:18:07.020 when it comes to your question

01:18:08.440 is last month when I was in Germany,

01:18:10.380 we had the Munich conference,

01:18:11.760 which was a conference that was the vastest

01:18:15.720 and more diverse ever within the Iranian opposition

01:18:18.880 in 46 years,

01:18:20.860 including people from different walks of life, ideologies,

01:18:23.840 former Marxists and leftists were there,

01:18:26.140 Republicans were there,

01:18:27.340 representative of Iranian ethnic groups were there, 0.99

01:18:30.680 representative of the latest wave of Iranian victims

01:18:34.380 to the regime's repression during the mass revolution,

01:18:38.180 kids that were shot in the eye, their grieving mothers,

01:18:40.880 they were all there.

01:18:42.180 And it's on record for everybody to see.

01:18:44.360 And the video is out there, you can go and study that.

01:18:48.560 Yesterday, a new website was launched,

01:18:53.400 which is the Iran Rising website.

01:18:56.100 It was launched about 9 a.m. yesterday.

01:18:58.740 As of 10.30 this morning, I asked one of my assistants

01:19:03.320 what was the response.

01:19:04.200 We had over 1.5 million views already in 24 hours.

01:19:09.440 And people from inside Iran are putting their names out there

01:19:12.300 to join this campaign and participate.

01:19:15.780 If that's not an indication of unity and solidarity,

01:19:19.260 I don't know what else I can put on the table

01:19:22.340 as a proof to you people.

01:19:23.780 So if you go and check that out,

01:19:25.920 These are the facts, these are the measurables.

01:19:28.760 And it's on that basis that I would say

01:19:31.140 Iranians are becoming far more united.

01:19:33.840 The opposition is getting more and more organized

01:19:36.300 in working together on a common agenda.

01:19:39.000 And the response from inside

01:19:40.300 has been of course the strongest ever.

01:19:43.120 And the interesting thing is that I announced this platform

01:19:46.020 on the day of a national celebration

01:19:50.680 of one of our cultural days, which is Mehregan.

01:19:53.960 Mehregan, which is the celebration of light.

01:19:56.700 And we have never had this particular celebration as vivid as others like Nooruz, for instance,

01:20:05.460 or Yalda, which are other national celebrated cultural holidays.

01:20:11.300 And for the first time in 46 years, Mehregan was at the widest possible scale celebrated

01:20:18.960 in Iran.

01:20:20.200 And that was also part of my call, let's do it on this day.

01:20:23.260 I think that shows the connect, that shows the way people conglomerate, and how they

01:20:28.840 respond to me and my appeal to them.

01:20:31.780 And these are all the measurables.

01:20:32.780 Now, of course, some people hate my guts and don't like my face.

01:20:36.100 I can't do anything about that.

01:20:38.240 But I think that if you were to take an opinion poll in Iran, and in fact, there's a lot of

01:20:41.920 data about that, surely a lot of people know that I'm among anybody else, the most popular

01:20:47.900 and the most trusted element, which is why they like to respond to me to be able to lead

01:20:52.860 this movement for them. Part of your narrative is that the Islamic Republic will come to an end

01:21:00.220 now forever is a long time, but it has demonstrated resilience that I think people did not expect.

01:21:08.740 It's been under sanction for a very, very long time. This past summer, it took 12 days of pounding

01:21:14.620 by the Israelis and then the United States. And the targets that the Israeli state were not just 0.79

01:21:21.880 nuclear infrastructure ballistic missile production but as we discussed instruments of the regime's

01:21:27.580 repression yet the regime remains seems to be stable and durable why should we expect anything

01:21:38.020 other well first of all you have a society that lives 60 percent of them under the poverty line

01:21:44.740 Let's not forget that in 1979, the rial was exchanged at 76 rials to the dollar.

01:21:52.580 As of yesterday, it's 101,180,000 rials to the dollar for the same nation with the same amount of oil and gas in its reserves.

01:22:07.320 And this is before snapback kicks in.

01:22:09.380 I don't see in what way that could be tenable for a starving nation on the one hand and

01:22:15.480 for the regime not to have access to this kind of revenue and how the hell they're going

01:22:19.840 to survive and maintain their war machine going on.

01:22:22.180 It's just a matter of time.

01:22:23.900 In that sense, it is vulnerable.

01:22:26.560 I'm as curious as you are to see the effects of snapback and what would that bring into

01:22:30.880 the issue.

01:22:33.220 And I think it's also the further isolation of Iran because if you look at what may happen 0.79

01:22:38.980 as a result of whether or not Hamas will accept the deal or not, then I think that this will be

01:22:45.060 a time to see to what extent internationally the regime is also more than ever isolated and

01:22:51.060 curtailed. These are the actual dynamics in front of us. One is domestic, one is on the international

01:22:55.940 scene. And I think we can, on that basis, say that if whatever until now has helped the regime somehow

01:23:04.020 managed to survive but at the end it will fall it's not a question of if it's a question of when

01:23:09.780 and the real issue is and i remember the end of the cold war not many nations particularly in the

01:23:16.740 west were prepared for the aftermath of the collapse of the soviet union the mindset was

01:23:21.940 the berlin wall might be around in our lifetime that's what i thought by the way and yet it fell

01:23:27.300 but were we prepared for the aftermath? This is one of those cases that I urge a lot of you to

01:23:32.820 say, regardless of the status quo, you have to factor in that there could be a change.

01:23:38.020 And if that change were to occur, are we prepared for it? Not to fall in the same problems

01:23:43.780 in the post-Soviet Union collapse. That was not necessarily anticipated. This time we can anticipate.

01:23:51.220 And in fact, this is the answer to a lot of people who keep saying,

01:23:54.500 we don't know what's going to be happening after the regime collapse. Is it going to be more chaos?

01:23:58.500 Is it going to be more instability? Blah blah blah blah blah blah. And I think that we have

01:24:03.060 enough data and actual measurable resources both at home and abroad to prove to you that Iran is

01:24:10.900 not a country where you would face a vacuum or civilian strife. Iran is not Afghanistan. Iran is

01:24:17.940 not Iran. It has its own dynamics, its own polity, its own civil society, although heavily repressed,

01:24:28.980 but certainly alive and well. And I think it is that element that can provide you that what

01:24:34.820 you're investing this time on is not a change of behavior by a regime that you cannot trust

01:24:42.580 at the end of the day but liberate a nation that see eye to eye on the same visions and principles

01:24:49.300 and can be an actual partner over there. America by itself cannot and will not be able to maintain

01:24:57.220 global stability without having some partner in that in that case. Yes the Abraham Accord was a

01:25:03.540 good start. Clearly it was sabotaged by this regime for obvious reasons and I've been saying 0.99

01:25:08.900 this and i said this when i was in tel aviv two years ago in a press conference that if we elevate

01:25:14.580 the abraham of course to the cyrus of course meaning that a different iran that is committed

01:25:19.460 to regional peace and cordial relationship with our neighbors will be the element that will seal

01:25:26.420 the deal and allow for that process to take place so we don't have to worry about the relationship

01:25:32.340 between tehran and jerusalem and riyadh and all the other countries in the region on the contrary

01:25:38.900 We create an environment that is conducive to maintaining even more stability and encourage economic development, everything that our country needs.

01:25:47.900 And it cannot happen so long as this regime is there.

01:25:50.900 And the regime knows that. It's just trying to buy time.

01:25:53.900 Its ultimate tactic has always been buy time, hoping that there won't be a Trump in the White House,

01:25:59.900 or there won't be somebody that will be more aggressive as opposed to appeasing.

01:26:08.220 That's what they've been doing as a tactic. 0.99

01:26:09.920 And I think the Iranian people see through it, 1.00

01:26:11.700 and I hope people outside the world begin to see through it as well.

01:26:14.660 Thank you.

01:26:16.060 Well, we have exhausted my questions that I plan to ask.

01:26:20.400 So it's now your opportunity here.

01:26:23.420 Let's start.

01:26:24.360 Way in the back was the first hand I saw,

01:26:26.640 and then we'll work our way forward in the room.

01:26:29.400 Please identify yourself.

01:26:30.980 Thank you.

01:26:31.660 Welby Lehman with Walmart.

01:26:32.960 you describe an Iran that would be secular and pluralist one of the areas

01:26:39.280 of pluralism is of course a plural set of opinions about secularism versus

01:26:45.620 Islamic Republic versus maybe other options are there hybrid options or

01:26:51.980 other ways of maximizing respect for that sort of pluralism look separation

01:26:59.460 of church and state in my book is a prerequisite to actual democracy and we have had the proof of

01:27:04.820 it in numerous different western democracies the degree of laicite as the french will say may

01:27:13.460 vary a little bit in france you cannot even wear an actual symbol that defines your faith whether

01:27:20.100 it's the star of david or allah or the the cross whatever it is in america you can there may be

01:27:27.860 be some differences.

01:27:29.260 But the important element here is a clear separation of church from state.

01:27:34.120 That's definitely a foregone conclusion in Iran. 0.99

01:27:36.820 In fact, it will be in the advantage of the Shiite faith as well. 0.89

01:27:44.260 And most of our colleagues will recognize that.

01:27:46.800 That the minute you start giving a privileged treatment of one ideology, whether religious

01:27:53.260 of otherwise it's the beginning of discrimination from the dead start so the only guarantee in that

01:28:00.620 sense is equality under the law liberty of opinion of expression or faith of ideology

01:28:06.300 and as long as the constitution as the law of the land ensures that that's where individual

01:28:12.060 liberties and equality of citizens under the law can be achieved and that's exactly what

01:28:15.900 iranians are pursuing so that's very important to understand that we are not going to be

01:28:20.700 in any form or shape questioning the fact because in iran we don't have the problem that some people

01:28:28.220 in the west may have the melody question radical islam you are treated as someone who is perhaps

01:28:34.540 islamophobic that's nothing to do with islamophobia it has to be the understanding

01:28:39.660 that there are many muslims around the world that are moderate that are not radical but there are 0.99

01:28:44.460 some who are and they are the problem behind the mess we see today and we recognize that our 1.00

01:28:49.820 country is the first victim of it because they try to impose it on us and take us hostage in

01:28:54.540 the first place. So whether or not a French citizen or a British citizen or an American 0.97

01:29:00.220 citizen ultimately gets it, Iranian people now have gotten it all the way. Today's Gen Z 1.00

01:29:08.060 is totally aware of these dynamics. They don't have a problem with the fact that a secular Iran

01:29:13.420 doesn't mean that we are anti a faith or another. It simply means we respect and would like to have

01:29:19.100 freedom of religion in our country that should be the first guarantee and that will explain why

01:29:24.220 because of this regime many iranians of other faiths had to flee the country because of immediate

01:29:29.100 persecution but in tomorrow's free iran and secular iran those rights and guarantees the

01:29:35.500 same liberties of iranians that had to seek asylum in countries that offer them that liberty would

01:29:42.860 like to be able to have the same liberties back home and that's exactly what we're trying to do

01:29:47.180 the very same liberties that we enjoy here.

01:29:50.480 We should be able to enjoy them back in Iran itself.

01:29:53.640 I know I said I was gonna work from the back to the front,

01:29:55.500 but I feel compelled to call on the gentleman

01:29:57.300 right here in the front.

01:29:58.800 So, compelled on a variety of levels.

01:30:02.900 Mike Froman, President of the Council,

01:30:04.360 thank you for being here.

01:30:05.540 When you envisage a possible uprising,

01:30:09.180 how do you assess the relative importance of factors

01:30:12.600 like economic deprivation, desire for democracy,

01:30:17.060 desire for more just day-to-day social freedom,

01:30:20.780 and something you mentioned in passing, ethnic tensions,

01:30:24.000 the non-Persian elements of Iran, the Turkic, the Azeri,

01:30:28.240 the other populations, the other minorities

01:30:30.640 that may feel aggrieved.

01:30:31.660 How do you see the various drivers

01:30:33.900 of a potential uprising being assessed?

01:30:38.120 Well, again, a lot of what we have seen in recent years,

01:30:42.080 gathering of Iranians around Cyrus the Great's tomb in Pasargad, all the way to the Mahsa

01:30:52.160 Amini uprising, and basically the slogans that have been used or chanted in Iran as

01:31:00.920 early as last week, I mean as late as last week and throughout these years, it's all

01:31:07.080 pointing to a collective national, if you will, slogan.

01:31:15.140 And they keep saying, you know, from Zahedan to, I don't know, the other side of the country,

01:31:19.940 our life is dedicated to this cause of liberation.

01:31:22.460 We get our country back.

01:31:24.460 Your country getting back is for all of them, whether you are from Balochistan or from Kurdistan 1.00

01:31:28.500 or from Azerbaijan.

01:31:30.080 It transcends anything that would be otherwise considered.

01:31:35.260 Is this really sectarian or is it really national?

01:31:39.180 Iranians as a whole have always felt as part of that country for centuries.

01:31:45.080 We never had this issue that this regime has created before the revolution.

01:31:49.400 Nobody would walk the street and say, oh, this guy is Muslim.

01:31:52.440 This guy is Jewish.

01:31:53.440 This guy is Baha'i or so on or so forth.

01:31:56.660 Our national team was comprised of representatives of various faiths and religions.

01:32:00.320 It was our national team.

01:32:01.780 Everybody was Iranian.

01:32:02.780 Iranian Kurd, Iranian Azeri, Iranian Jew, Iranian Orestian, and so on and so forth.

01:32:09.780 And I think the same spirit of our national identity binds us all together.

01:32:15.080 So I'm very comfortable and very confident that the minute all those who were disenfranchised,

01:32:23.260 and yes, the regime was the cause for discrimination, whether it was ethnic discrimination, sexual

01:32:29.240 discrimination, religious discrimination, or any other type of discrimination.

01:32:35.320 That they will find again in that future the fact that nobody will ever feel unequal next

01:32:41.680 to somebody else.

01:32:42.680 And that's the whole spirit that gels them together.

01:32:44.540 And they understand that they have to pitch in and contribute.

01:32:48.620 They cannot just sit back and expect it to be handed to them on a silver platter.

01:32:54.200 Kennedy once said, ask not what the country can do for you, but what you could do for

01:32:59.040 your country and what you can do for your country right now is the basis of incentive that brings

01:33:06.960 the people together they find each other they respond to one another they chant together the

01:33:13.760 slogans are coordinated and it's very representative and very diverse so that's one thing and i think

01:33:19.920 ultimately the course is you know i always and that's the reason for ipp iran prosperity project

01:33:27.200 what is the roadmap to recovery what are the immediate issues that we need to tackle to make

01:33:31.760 sure that first of all the transition is stable that the economy will be stable that will have

01:33:37.600 elements that considers all these factors short term midterm and ultimately long term that's what

01:33:43.440 really is the the tangible elements for people to understand in what way they can benefit from this

01:33:49.040 change because liberty human rights and democracy is as we would say here motherhood and apple pie

01:33:54.560 but does it actually put food on the table and if we explain how and the country can

01:34:00.320 get restarted and what are the preconditions then i think the average person particularly

01:34:05.680 those who are most affected in areas that has been the most impoverished by luchistan is one

01:34:10.960 kurdistan is one will understand how they will benefit as a result so rather than being in a

01:34:17.760 sense of resisting change they know that they cannot get any worse than what it is right now

01:34:24.400 and there's light at the end of the tunnel. But it requires collective participation.

01:34:29.440 The call for a national uprising simply doesn't mean that somebody is going to come and, you know,

01:34:35.680 bring it on a silver platter. It's a call to a sense of responsibility and contribution

01:34:41.760 and collective action. So everybody has stake in it. It's their campaign. It's not my campaign.

01:34:46.960 It's their campaign. It's a national campaign. A national campaign that transcends any type of

01:34:52.640 grouping, whether it is on ideological basis or ethnic reasons or what have you. It transcends

01:34:59.600 all of that. And that's our collective cause. And that's why I think the Munich conference was

01:35:04.400 successful. Because at the end of the day, we call for very simple fundamental principles

01:35:10.560 for all of us to agree on to be able to work together. Iran's national territorial integrity

01:35:16.640 is critical.

01:35:18.400 Again, individual liberties and equality under the law is one of the core principles.

01:35:25.860 Separation of church from state or religious from government is a very important prerequisite.

01:35:31.340 And of course, and last but not least, the right for the Iranian people to be able to

01:35:37.060 freely determine their own future by means of free elections, which is why the constitutional

01:35:41.940 process is part of the dynamics of political change in what will come in the future.

01:35:46.300 That has been the basis of this platform that has bring all these diverse elements together.

01:35:52.380 And we saw that and the success of that conference in Munich.

01:35:56.400 And it's on that basis that we are regularly now progressing.

01:36:00.420 I'm sure I would get much more data through the website.

01:36:02.920 We just launched not even two days ago.

01:36:05.480 It's an initial phase.

01:36:08.000 And the response has been tremendous.

01:36:09.960 It's not a one-way conversation.

01:36:12.020 People are sending already ideas, plans, suggestions, progress.

01:36:15.900 and all of this will be something to be monitored the english version of the site should be up

01:36:22.220 fairly soon and all of these articles will be translated so you will be able to see how people

01:36:27.500 are responding and are contributing to this that's not really the measurables that will be able to

01:36:32.700 let you understand and actually feel the dynamics of this process and how people are responding to

01:36:38.220 it and how they are working together and i think that's a very big element to to satisfy those who

01:36:45.580 still have that whether or not Iranian people are ready and able to do whatever it is that

01:36:52.860 is asked from them to do at this time. Right here in the middle. 0.83

01:37:04.140 Hi, I'm Leslie Warner. My question is, usually in social movements, what's so interesting about

01:37:12.860 social movements is that um ones that are successful is that a lot of times they're

01:37:17.580 leaderless which makes them more difficult to combat on the part of the the regime and power

01:37:24.860 and what you've described is a very very diverse array of people which i think is a huge strength

01:37:32.060 and it appears that they're mobilized by opposition to the current regime

01:37:35.900 My question is, when the regime falls, what actions do you think need to be taken to maintain the

01:37:44.120 cohesiveness of that group? Because what we've seen in other cases of regime transition and

01:37:50.300 general political transitions is that there's a lot of cohesion against the regime, and then

01:37:54.900 there's a bit of a vacuum sometimes that can be filled by often nefarious actors while the

01:38:01.000 civilians get their act together and try and figure out how they're going to move forward.

01:38:05.900 So once the element of the regime that you are all opposed to is gone, how do you maintain cohesion

01:38:13.100 among a diverse array of actors? Thank you. That's a great question. Actually, again,

01:38:19.100 one of the first elements and projects that IPP has been focusing on is the first 100 days.

01:38:29.100 The regime has collapsed. What do we do the first 100 days? How is the composition of that

01:38:34.460 interim governance be composed of and by whom and with whom to what extent there is a leading team

01:38:41.580 that offers that transition the advisory team preparing the stage for the election of people's

01:38:47.740 representative at the constitutional assembly which should be ultimately the methodology of

01:38:52.780 determining ultimately what future secular system people want so that they can start drafting

01:38:59.660 the text of that constitution that will be offered to the nation by means of referendum to ratify or

01:39:06.700 not all of these elements in detail are being as we speak uh discussed not just behind closed doors

01:39:13.980 in fact IPP has given a 45-day period for people to respond to that chime in critique it tweak it

01:39:22.460 so everybody agrees on the the mechanics of that change and who has what role in it whether you

01:39:28.620 are representative of a political organization or you are an activist or you are an economic expert

01:39:35.100 or a legal expert so on and so forth. What I think is very important is that I don't think we have

01:39:41.180 too much of an issue in the sense of people questioning whether or not this should be the

01:39:47.100 course. The issue is more making sure that we are not missing an element that could be a challenge.

01:39:53.900 For instance, when you look at truth and reconciliation, what happened in South Africa,

01:39:58.940 when we are thinking about transitional justice, what do we do with the remnant of elements that

01:40:04.540 are in the regime and have to face justice? What needs to be done in terms of incorporating

01:40:12.620 the majority of the civil bureaucracy and the people who, of course, are taking sides with

01:40:19.580 the movement and are now moving away from the regime. These are the actual mechanics and

01:40:24.860 details that are, I think, important for us to be able to ensure a smoother transition.

01:40:30.460 And I think the majority of the groups I've talked to, whether they're monarchists or

01:40:34.940 Republicans or in the center or the right or the left, are not right now campaigning as a political

01:40:40.700 party to win an election to form a government. They're here understanding that we need to make

01:40:45.340 sure that we have a common platform to make sure that that phase is managed successfully

01:40:51.260 and prepare themselves for the day when we need to conduct

01:40:58.300 elections to form the next government our political parties are ready to step in and

01:41:04.300 like in any other democracy have their own campaigns and ultimately a winner is decided

01:41:10.300 that forms the future government whether it's the president or prime minister so i think on

01:41:15.020 that course of action the priority lines are defined what we do in this phase between now

01:41:20.780 until the regime collapses but particularly what needs to happen immediately after that

01:41:26.220 so i think that this process means that it is acknowledged and accepted by the majority of

01:41:33.420 the participants so it's not like in the blind it's not like okay we are discovering something

01:41:39.580 new. And the reason we're trying to be as transparent and as clear as possible, it's

01:41:44.540 because unlike what happened in 1978, when the majority had no clue of what will be the

01:41:51.580 outcome of this regime. This time we're not saying, let's just get rid of this regime,

01:41:55.820 then we'll see what happened, which is what they were saying at the time. Let's get rid

01:41:59.340 of the Shah, then we'll see what happens. But this time we say, what do we need instead, 0.99

01:42:04.060 how it's going to be done, and here's the mechanics of it. So everybody understands

01:42:09.340 from day one every step of the way in a very transparent way.

01:42:13.420 And I think that's an element that in fact solidifies the unity rather than people being

01:42:17.940 doubtful and take exception.

01:42:20.900 At least that's the method we have implemented and it has paid off.

01:42:26.300 Right here, Barbara Slavin.

01:42:30.100 Thank you very much.

01:42:32.840 Hi Barbara Slavin from the Stimson Center.

01:42:36.500 Two questions. 0.60

01:42:38.100 You have expressed a lot of support for sanctions, yet we see that Iran, which had a large middle

01:42:44.760 class until about 2010, 2012, has seen its economy collapse since the imposition of so-called

01:42:55.100 maximum pressure.

01:42:57.580 This means people are poorer, it's harder for them to come out in the streets.

01:43:02.340 What makes you think more maximum pressure is going to achieve the desired results?

01:43:08.720 And the second...

01:43:09.720 One question.

01:43:10.720 I have to ask about your identification with Israel and whether you think that is appropriate.

01:43:15.580 One question.

01:43:17.580 There's lots of people who want to ask questions.

01:43:20.580 Go ahead.

01:43:21.580 Well, look, the Iranian people don't blame the West for their poverty.

01:43:30.080 They blame the regime and everything it has done to bring them to the stage that we see

01:43:36.100 all right now.

01:43:38.200 I think it's only the apologies and the contrarians for the regime narrative that tore this line

01:43:45.680 that, oh, sanctioning the country is bad, and this is wanting to impoverish the people.

01:43:51.080 Look, we are in a war against this regime as Iranians, and we are willing to tighten

01:43:56.020 the belts to survive. 0.99

01:43:57.920 Our problem is not assuming the sanctions.

01:44:00.960 Our problem is every time we had a chance, they've been thrown under the bus.

01:44:05.000 They've been thrown under the bus under the Obama administration, the Green Movement.

01:44:10.260 They were thrown under the bus by the Biden administration after the MASA movement.

01:44:14.780 Are we going to be thrown under the bus yet again?

01:44:18.100 Because as long as this regime is there, the economic situation is going to continue.

01:44:22.900 But once this regime is gone, there comes the opportunity to come out of this misery.

01:44:28.880 What has delayed our liberizing ourselves from the misery is because of the wrong policy

01:44:36.960 of your governments.

01:44:40.360 Because the cheap culprit is Khamenei and his regime, and you're not doing anything

01:44:44.300 to help us get rid of him.

01:44:47.300 Not because you care about us, just think of your own interests.

01:44:51.540 Have you achieved anything?

01:44:52.660 Have they given you everything that will be justifiable in terms of realpolitik if there's

01:44:57.540 any of it?

01:44:59.180 Or diplomacy as means to suggest that, okay, we're willing to negotiate but nobody takes

01:45:05.440 responsibility of it and you kick the can down the road yet again, which means other 0.60

01:45:09.960 Iranians on a daily basis being killed.

01:45:12.480 Look in the last month alone, we had 100 executions.

01:45:17.420 In this calendar, you're over 1000.

01:45:19.940 This is an ongoing thing.

01:45:22.660 Much more important than whether or not they can afford to put food on the table.

01:45:27.040 Their kids are being murdered every single day.

01:45:30.540 That needs to change.

01:45:31.540 Okay.

01:45:32.540 Well, I've said what I need to have from the world, solidarity.

01:45:36.060 The same solidarity that dissidents in the Soviet Union were expecting from the Western

01:45:41.480 free world, the same solidarity that South Africans wanted to put it into apartheid,

01:45:46.320 the same solidarity that helped and his friends overcome . 0.53

01:45:50.800 What else is different than Iran?

01:45:52.340 same solidarity. And we don't see it in the case of Iranians. We've seen always the same 1.00

01:45:57.620 approach of appeasement and negotiations, endless buying time by the regime, and nothing was achieved

01:46:03.860 as a result. Until this attitude and viewpoint is not reset, the Iranian people will continue to be 0.99

01:46:10.020 starving. Not because you're imposing sanctions. That makes it more difficult for the regime to

01:46:15.780 fuel its old machine. But it will keep them still longer in power, and that will not change the

01:46:20.980 game the game changer is for the regime to be gone and when we say regime change it's because

01:46:25.780 we understand that it is because of the regime that we are in this misery not because of external

01:46:30.580 factors this regime is directly responsible to put the iranians in the mess it is that's

01:46:35.620 what we want as iranians this regime to no longer be there and we question whether the world see

01:46:40.740 eye to eye with us that this is ultimately the solution as opposed to think that you can still

01:46:45.700 manage them, contain them, humor them, appease them, pay hostage bribes to them, and encourage

01:46:53.220 their behavior as they have continued to have. Because you haven't changed their behavior. In

01:46:57.380 fact, you have encouraged their behavior as means of disrepeachment. Sir.

01:47:05.060 Hi, my name is Josh Mogul. I'm from a Jewish diaspora community in Great Neck, New York,

01:47:09.780 where you are very popular. We love you. My question for you is the Supreme Leader,

01:47:15.460 there might be an election soon and how would you respond if the supreme leader were to pass away and

01:47:22.500 there would be an election soon would you consider announcing a transitional government and seeking

01:47:27.300 formal government support from other governments thank you look our campaign is not based on

01:47:34.340 whether or not khamenei is in power or not that's irrelevant because whatever the regime attempts

01:47:41.060 to manufacture post harmony to the level we see already fraction and division within the system

01:47:48.020 and there will certainly be more after his demise then i think that in fact makes it even more

01:47:59.460 likely for a quicker resolve of that transition because when he's still holding the fort he still

01:48:06.660 maintain some degree of command he still have some eminence over the whole structure but the minute

01:48:12.580 he's gone the system will implode from within obviously our behavior and attitude vis-a-vis how

01:48:20.260 do you contend with all of that is not to confront the regime directly in terms of let's say armed

01:48:26.820 struggle or things of that nature i still believe in the school of thought that civil disobedience

01:48:32.660 and non-cooperation and non-violence is a better way a to consider the fact that people would have

01:48:38.980 less of a cost in achieving that end two i don't see many scenarios of political change that are

01:48:44.980 brought by means of violence that ends up with a democratic outcome and three in fact i think that

01:48:52.740 if we achieve that by telling the people who are still sitting there deciding on when to join the

01:48:58.660 people rather than see themselves threatened they see themselves as part of the solution

01:49:03.380 again encouraging maximum defection and that momentum can help us bring it to the level that

01:49:08.180 the biggest element in my view that will be the final nail in the coffin of the regime in the

01:49:13.540 sense of paralyzing it from within by iranian action not by means of foreign sanctions are

01:49:21.140 nationwide labor strikes that's why i keep saying that there has to be a dual approach to the

01:49:26.980 problem relying on external sanction alone is not a solution and by the way let's not forget

01:49:32.420 all these sanctions was always with the premise of thinking that as a result the regime will

01:49:37.540 change its behavior whereas it's not behavior change that you should see the solution is still

01:49:44.900 regime change but it's important to have the outside component but the outside component by

01:49:49.700 means of maximum pressure is not sufficient you have to have a domestic element which is why i've

01:49:54.820 have been calling for maximum support

01:49:57.040 for the Iranian people.

01:49:58.780 And I think the combination of these two

01:50:00.580 would also lead to maximum defections

01:50:02.540 because now there's a dynamic in play.

01:50:05.040 It's not just on paper as a concept.

01:50:07.300 It's an actual measurable thing.

01:50:09.580 We're starting to run out of time.

01:50:11.000 So I wanna take the last two questions

01:50:13.480 and then have Reza Patevi answer.

01:50:16.820 Sir, right here, and then right here, ma'am.

01:50:20.180 Hi, I'm Kevin Sheehan from Multiplier Capital.

01:50:22.660 Assuming that the regime were to collapse,

01:50:25.080 what would happen on day one

01:50:26.240 in terms of the provision of security?

01:50:28.380 Would you expect the military and the police

01:50:30.220 to transfer their loyalty to some new transition government,

01:50:35.580 or would you expect help from the GCC

01:50:37.480 and other friendly neighbors and allies?

01:50:39.800 Thanks.

01:50:42.480 Yes, right here.

01:50:43.360 Yes, please.

01:50:45.480 Thank you very much.

01:50:47.700 Shireen Hunter, Georgetown University.

01:50:50.660 I have to, first of all, say that I do share Your Highness's vision for Iran, a secular

01:50:58.640 Iran, a nationalist Iran, where the focus and the order of priority is Iran and not

01:51:06.680 Islam or some other kind of transnational aspirations.

01:51:10.420 With respect, Shireen, if you could get to the question.

01:51:12.380 I will get to the question.

01:51:13.780 I'm sorry, Steve, but you know there are some preliminaries have to be said.

01:51:19.740 My more important, however, problem with the way you are approaching is because you were

01:51:27.460 very young when the 1979 revolution happened, but I was a diplomat of my country and I felt

01:51:36.220 the whole weight of the tragedy of that.

01:51:40.780 Everybody there was also gathering together, the communists, the Mujahideen, the Mossad

01:51:46.620 the peace and so on and they were hoping that they're going to have a democratic government

01:51:52.300 and so on and we saw what happened when your late father left immediately after that of course the

01:52:00.460 regrets began however all these opposition groups began to fight among themselves like cats and dogs

01:52:08.220 Now, why are you so optimistic that the same kind of thing is not going to happen?

01:52:16.980 Because let's face it, there is an element that you forget, and that is the element of

01:52:21.500 power.

01:52:22.500 That's the question.

01:52:23.500 Why are you so optimistic?

01:52:24.500 One last word, please, Steve.

01:52:26.740 The other thing is that Iran's condition actually now is much more fragile.

01:52:32.920 Iran has predatory neighbors, including Turkey, which wants the dismemberment of Iran.

01:52:39.680 And also the state of Israel would like Iran to be divided up. 0.79

01:52:45.700 So why do you think that everybody is just going to sit on their hands and allow the 0.91

01:52:50.520 Iranians to get rid of this regime? 0.76

01:52:53.920 We have never tried to change regime behavior through real engagement. 0.85

01:53:00.100 Thank you.

01:53:01.100 So why don't you give that a chance?

01:53:03.280 Thank you.

01:53:04.780 I'm not sure ultimately what the specific question is,

01:53:08.580 because that's almost like one course in London

01:53:12.140 My first job in Washington was a research associate

01:53:15.100 at CSIS and Shireen Hunter.

01:53:17.220 She was a force of nature then, and she's still

01:53:19.280 a force of nature now.

01:53:20.720 I think the-

01:53:23.940 And I totally forgot what the first question was.

01:53:25.860 The first question.

01:53:26.360 Maybe you can remind me.

01:53:27.800 Yeah, and then we'll finish with that.

01:53:29.460 And the other question about in the immediate aftermath

01:53:32.060 of security, if we can do it in about 35 seconds.

01:53:35.960 Why are you optimistic?

01:53:37.800 That was Shireen's first question.

01:53:40.360 Was why are you, given the history of the revolution,

01:53:44.520 and there was lots of hope for real progressive change,

01:53:47.100 why are you optimistic that this time,

01:53:49.480 if the regime were to collapse,

01:53:51.820 that you would have a different outcome,

01:53:53.440 you would have a more democratic, open society in Iran,

01:53:57.760 it wouldn't revert to some sort of authoritarian system. I think the biggest element that gives me

01:54:02.880 confidence is not what the elite says, but what the grassroots says.

01:54:08.480 Today, Iran's grassroots, the people on the streets by the millions across the country

01:54:14.000 are chanting death to the dictator. In 1978, what drove the agenda was not the masses on the streets.

01:54:21.520 It was certain intellectual circles, mostly the Marxists and the Islamists who found some

01:54:30.560 interesting comment against the previous establishment that drove the narrative.

01:54:39.840 Some remnant of those still exist but they are irrelevant because the grassroots have

01:54:45.620 passed way beyond that point.

01:54:48.480 The millions of Iranian youth today, the Gen Z of Iran today is very clear on what it wants 1.00

01:54:54.060 and what it doesn't want. 0.99

01:54:56.060 And at the end of the day, they are the ones who will define the future.

01:55:01.340 Not some think tank in Washington, not some reporter in such a newspaper here or in Europe,

01:55:10.240 but the people on the streets.

01:55:12.620 And those within the Iranian intelligentsia, academic centers, activists, civil society,

01:55:20.440 advocates, lawyers, doctors, scientists, who catch up to that ask and that demand and are

01:55:26.700 here to serve what these people at the end of the day want for themselves, are going

01:55:32.740 to be the factor that would determine it.

01:55:35.840 If everything we said right now was sort of crafted or engineered or designed in some

01:55:44.420 office in some building, writing a script for a country, I would have said sure.

01:55:51.320 Maybe we don't know what the hell we're doing.

01:55:53.780 All I'm doing is facilitating and maximizing the chance for that grassroots to succeed.

01:56:01.520 So the real question is, can we actually help that grassroots fulfill their dream and aspirations

01:56:06.980 to freedom?

01:56:09.020 That's what it's all about.

01:56:10.540 And that's what my campaign is there, to reinforce and maximize their chance to succeed.

01:56:16.540 And that needs to be understood.

01:56:18.260 And I hope I can convey that to all of you, that this is what it's all about.

01:56:23.320 Remember what is the ask of the millions of Iranians who are fed up with this regime,

01:56:27.740 and do they deserve better than what they have?

01:56:31.200 are unfortunately out of time. My apologies to Kevin back there. Thank you very, very

01:56:36.860 much for spending some time with us this afternoon. It's been a fascinating discussion. I'm looking

01:56:41.300 forward to running into you with a giant in Potomac Village. And thank you all for your

01:56:47.500 time wow um so my initial thoughts on this was of course it was a fantastic um fantastic interview

01:57:08.940 by Khairzad Pahlavi, the leader of Iran's opposition. He answered all the questions

01:57:15.900 expertly. It also gave for, you know, the non-Iranians watching this, I hope it gave you

01:57:25.660 a good, here let me just, this is an inspired ghost. Let me just point out here.

01:57:33.580 sorry still working on how to do the live stream stuff um so i hope i hope for the non-iranians

01:57:45.140 that gave you some insight into the propaganda and the nonsense that we iranians have been

01:57:57.260 dealing with for the last 47 years. And you saw that with the two so-called journalists who

01:58:07.340 showed up. The first one was, of course, Barbara Slavin, who I've, you know, she blocked me a while

01:58:16.240 ago because I called out her nonsense on X. And then, of course, this other woman, Shirin or 0.87

01:58:24.340 whatever i think i think i have her blocked as well um but i want to go back and i'm i'm going to

01:58:31.620 uh play both of those and i'm also going to share um king of the pan of his response to each one

01:58:38.980 and i want you to notice something um when you go back and re-watch the entire um interview with him

01:58:47.060 him israel never came up i mean the the iranian revolution like our movement has absolutely

01:58:56.420 nothing to do with israel um we iranians have been fighting to overthrow the terrorist islamic

01:59:03.460 republic for the last 47 years sorry my allergies are acting up here so we've been fighting to

01:59:10.100 overthrow the islamic republic for the last 47 years nothing to do with israel and yet as you 0.85

01:59:15.540 noticed um those two bad actors who are on the payroll of the terrorist islamic republic

01:59:24.420 immediately brought up israel and brought up these lies or whatever the case may be and you could 0.61

01:59:30.740 even tell from the way they were speaking both of them were incredibly hostile and both of them

01:59:38.420 wanted to ask like millions and millions of of questions and it was very interesting to watch i

01:59:47.460 mean you can you can easily spot who the bad actors are and i have a feeling that the reason

01:59:55.380 they were so hostile is because they know that the writing is on the wall they know that the end

02:00:03.540 of the islamic republic is near and everything is culminating right everything is kind of coming

02:00:11.060 together you have um you have president trump with his final countdown for hamas which by the

02:00:19.860 way is a message to khamenei as well right so it's the the deadline the sunday deadline isn't

02:00:25.620 just for hamas it's for the islamic republic as well because the islamic republic has not agreed

02:00:32.260 to the bt steel now you have king who's at the council of foreign relations and he's speaking

02:00:39.620 about what iran will look like post islamic republic and he mentioned a website let me bring

02:00:46.900 up the website um really briefly just to show you um here let me go share screen there we go

02:00:57.460 okay so let me add that i'll come here there we go so i actually wonder if i there we go

02:01:11.700 this looks better so this is the website that was launched um yesterday is it showing

02:01:21.460 i wonder how this works

02:01:22.340 if i go back and forth picture and picture layout okay so this is the website that was launched

02:01:30.660 yesterday and uh it has you know it has um uh thousands and you know over a million views over

02:01:39.540 a million views so far now they he did mention um in his interview today that they will be um

02:01:52.500 they will be launching this website uh in english very soon so that non-iranians will be able to

02:02:00.660 follow along as soon as this website is launched in english i will do a live stream and i will go

02:02:08.740 over this website and i will explain like every aspect of it because um this website is historical

02:02:17.700 we are literally watching and living through the iranian revolution on social media using technology

02:02:28.740 so um there's you know there's the website but let's go back i'm going to pull up um how do i

02:02:37.060 do this i'm going to pull up the um the stream and i want to go back to barbara slavin um let me just 1.00

02:02:49.460 find that here like this is just like a horrible horrible woman um and she has written so many 1.00

02:02:58.180 articles for the islamic republic basically trying to whitewash um trying to uh whitewash 0.99

02:03:10.820 let me let me do this where is it 1.00

02:03:18.740 there we go is that working perfect okay so so this woman has basically tried to 1.00

02:03:26.500 whitewash the um crimes of the islamic republic for a very very long time she is on their payroll 0.76

02:03:36.900 and that's one of the things that a lot of non-iranians need to understand um is that

02:03:44.660 the supporters of the islamic republic are not necessarily iranian in fact i would say

02:03:53.460 the vast majority of outside supporters of the islamic republic are um let me just sorry repeat

02:04:03.700 this the the vast majority of the supporters of the islamic republic are not iranian those who

02:04:10.660 are outside of the country okay so you have um lobbyists you have pundits you have academics

02:04:18.660 you have journalists um you even have politicians who are not iranian but they are on the payroll

02:04:26.100 of the islamic republic and their job is to literally try to normalize relations um between 0.85

02:04:36.820 a brutal totalitarian dictatorship that is arguably the worst uh dictatorship 0.88

02:04:45.380 in the history of of you know mankind and they try to normalize that dictatorship and they the

02:04:56.180 reason that we call them reformists is that they push this reformist narrative and we'll get to

02:05:03.300 the second woman that second woman named shirin where she spoke about reforming the behavior of

02:05:09.060 the islamic republic we will get to that in a moment because that's exactly the reformist

02:05:14.100 narrative that these people have been pushing and it worked it worked in the past um so it worked

02:05:20.340 with uh carter it worked with obama i mean these people that you're seeing right now barbara sloven 0.97

02:05:27.140 like that horrible garbage woman and then the other um iranian woman shooting whatever her name 0.98

02:05:32.260 was if someone if someone catches her name let me know what her name is because i've seen her around 0.98

02:05:36.420 somewhere um she's part of the whole nyack group but but these people have been around for a very

02:05:43.940 long time they were the ones who were pushing the jcpoa right so they were the ones who were

02:05:50.500 convincing obama and other western politicians that the islamic republic can be reformed that 0.97

02:05:59.060 you know if if you negotiate with these demonic um islamic terrorists in good faith that you can 0.98

02:06:08.340 change the islamic republic from within in 47 years that has not happened the islamic republic 1.00

02:06:15.860 is brutal they are terrorists um they are an islamic dictatorship they chant when they chant 1.00

02:06:22.900 death to america they literally mean death to america okay so you cannot trust these people 1.00

02:06:30.100 and yet what they do is they engage in taqia right so they say one thing in farsi they say

02:06:37.300 another thing in english and then they pay people to go out there and be their apologists so barbara 0.92

02:06:44.100 slavin i hope i pray that when iran is free from the clutches of the islamic republic 0.96

02:06:54.420 that you will pay for your crimes against the iranian people um i think you should be put on 1.00

02:07:00.980 trial i think you and that shooting woman shearing hunter thank you persian or more immortal you and 0.83

02:07:08.340 shooting and trita parsi and every single one of you uh reformists and lobbyists and propagandists 0.84

02:07:16.660 for the terrorist ayatollahs um you have blood on your hands and i hope um that you will get 0.98

02:07:25.540 the justice that is coming to you i pray that that's going to happen because people like you 0.91

02:07:31.540 and i'm going to play the clip right now so you can see exactly who it is i'm talking about people

02:07:36.660 like you and others you are part of the reason that the islamic republic is viewed as a legitimate

02:07:44.980 government by the west instead of the brutal islamic dictatorship that it is because we

02:07:52.180 iranians we know the truth we see what they're like we see their speeches we see how they 0.99

02:07:56.660 operate they literally gas school children the islamic republic will poison iranian school girls 1.00

02:08:06.780 in order to prevent their parents and discourage their parents from going out in the street and 1.00

02:08:14.040 protesting to overthrow the regime so then when these disgusting garbage people like barbara 0.98

02:08:20.240 slavin and the shireen person and others come out and they're like think of the children think of 1.00

02:08:24.680 children where the hell were you when the islamic republic was murdering our children where have you 0.97

02:08:31.640 been for the last 47 years you have been getting paid by the islamic republic to promote their 0.99

02:08:40.200 islamic jihad to maintain their legitimacy you don't care about the iranian people you are using 0.92

02:08:48.360 my country of iran as an atm and shame on you so let's watch this clip again and we're gonna 1.00

02:08:56.440 listen to this garbage terrorist woman speak and just look you can even tell from her body language 1.00

02:09:03.560 how frustrated she is um how angry she is and and how evil she truly is so so just watch this um 1.00

02:09:13.320 here let me uh let me play this again

02:09:19.720 the mechanics of it so everybody understands from day one every step of the way in a very

02:09:25.400 transparent way and i think that's an element that in fact solidifies the unity rather than

02:09:30.360 people being doubtful and you know take exception at least that's the method we have

02:09:35.560 is coming up implemented and it has paid off right here barbara slavin thank you very much

02:09:45.640 hi barbara slavin from the stimson center um two questions you have expressed a lot of support for

02:09:52.840 sanctions yet we see that uh iran which had a large middle class until about uh 2000

02:10:00.760 so before i continue um so this sanction narrative that they use um is part of the

02:10:09.800 islamic regime propaganda so they just they just throw the word sanctions out there and then they

02:10:15.800 say oh you support the sanctions you're an enemy of of iran because you want the people to be poor

02:10:23.080 the reality is the sanctions have actually nothing to do with the iranian people the sanctions have

02:10:29.320 to do with like you know military and weapons and you know nuclear and things like that right so

02:10:35.400 the sanctions prevent um militarization the sanctions have nothing to do with with the 0.85

02:10:40.680 economy of iran the reality is that even before the sanctions the islamic republic has been stealing 0.61

02:10:50.760 money from the iranian people and using it to fund terrorism the uh leader the supreme dictator of 0.89

02:10:58.600 the islamic republic khamenei um khamenei is worth 80 billion dollars how the hell is this disgusting 0.90

02:11:11.000 inbred uneducated ayatollah worth 80 billion dollars they steal money from the iranian people 0.81

02:11:21.240 and the reality is in he uh kings of pahlavi even said this um in his response he says that 0.74

02:11:28.600 at least 60 i think the number is close to 70 but at least 60 of the iranian people live below

02:11:37.240 the poverty line that has absolutely nothing to do with the sanctions however this whole sanctions

02:11:44.840 narrative is something that the people who support the islamic republic have been pushing since it

02:11:52.920 was implemented even though we as iranians we want the sanctions why we want the sanctions 0.67

02:11:59.640 because the sanctions will weaken the islamic republic a weak islamic republic is what will

02:12:07.080 allow iranians to overthrow the regime you're never going to get um islamic regime supporters

02:12:14.040 who are on their paycheck you know someone like barbara slavin you're never gonna see her come 0.94

02:12:18.840 out and and express this reality because they rely on the ignorance of people they rely on just

02:12:25.640 using a buzzword sanction sanction sanction oh if you're for sanctions you're against the iranian

02:12:31.640 people um so so there you go so for her to bring up this sanction thing and try to uh claim that

02:12:40.040 You know, so what she's essentially doing is she's trying to attack the credibility and legitimacy of the leader of the Iranian opposition, King Reza Pahlavi.

02:12:53.840 Right. So that's what she's trying to do here.

02:12:55.580 Why is she doing this? Because the Islamic regime and their supporters know that the only alternative to the Islamic Republic right now is King Reza Pahlavi. 0.90

02:13:08.300 He has the vast majority of support. I would say close to 80% of Iranians in Iran and around the world support King Reza Pahlavi and want him and are rallying around him, right? 0.74

02:13:20.940 So the reason that our movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic is growing exponentially is because of this man right here, King Reza Pahlavi. 0.88

02:13:30.120 That is why they're attacking him. So even like the premise of this question is false because she automatically she just goes ahead and without, you know, without any proof or anything claims like what she's basically insinuating that because he supports economic sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

02:13:52.340 Remember, the Islamic Republic is a terrorist group that's occupying Iranians.

02:13:57.560 She's saying that because he supports economic sanctions against the Islamic Republic,

02:14:03.760 then he is necessarily not good for the Iranian people.

02:14:07.580 When in fact, what we Iranians have been saying for a very long time is we want sanctions. 0.80

02:14:14.840 We want the Islamic Republic to be sanctioned because when you sanction our oppressors, 0.94

02:14:20.140 that gives us, the Iranian people, an opportunity to overthrow them because they have become 0.95

02:14:26.920 weak. Someone like Barbara Slavin, who works for the Islamic Republic, she has been pushing this 0.99

02:14:32.940 alternative narrative, this false narrative, right? Just go and search her up. Go and look at her

02:14:37.760 articles. All she talks about is how we need to, or not we need, she talks about how the United

02:14:42.920 states needs to normalize relations with a terrorist organization that yells death to america

02:14:50.920 she talks about how the sanctions are hurting the iranian people no but she never talks about the

02:14:56.360 abject poverty she never talks about how the islamic republic spends billions of dollars 0.61

02:15:01.960 um on terrorist organizations right so she is she's literally working for the regime so

02:15:07.480 with that context i'm going to go back i'm going to play that question and just listen to all of

02:15:13.800 the factual inaccuracies in her question and what is really frustrating for people like barbara

02:15:21.320 slavin is that 10 years ago 15 years ago you know when she was writing all of this islamic regime

02:15:28.280 propaganda um there wasn't social media uh there wasn't live streaming there wasn't an ability

02:15:35.160 for the iranian people to counter her narrative right like she was being paid and propped up

02:15:41.880 by the islamic republic so all of these propagandists they uh were basically filling up the

02:15:47.560 space whether it was in the news whether it was in academia whether it was in other places and

02:15:53.800 now because of social media because of someone like you know me who basically just set up this

02:16:00.440 this live stream and i'm streaming and you know i have over 2 000 people watching both on x and on

02:16:05.640 youtube um you know and this is without any sort of funding or anything like that it's literally me

02:16:11.080 sitting in my living room you know in front of my laptop speaking about this i am able to counter

02:16:17.240 the narrative of the terrorist islamic republic and not just me but millions of iranians like

02:16:23.160 me on various social media platforms right and this is what has them scared because we are calling 0.90

02:16:30.200 out their nonsense we are calling out their propaganda and we are saying enough is enough

02:16:37.880 so i'm gonna go back i'm gonna replay this watch her watch how frustrated she is watch how angry

02:16:43.480 she is and watch how she just automatically for some random reason turns to israel right and again

02:16:50.920 she's exposing herself because this whole um narrative this this propaganda this jihad against

02:16:58.040 israel it comes from the islamic republic she works for the islamic republic so there you go 0.98

02:17:03.080 and you should always ask yourself why is some random white woman supporting the islamic republic 1.00

02:17:13.320 why does some random white woman care so much about whether or not the islamic republic 0.98

02:17:19.320 stays in power i will tell you why because she is not a random white woman she is someone who

02:17:24.280 is on the payroll of the islamic republic and there are hundreds if not thousands of people 0.93

02:17:32.680 like barbara all around the world there is no legitimate reason for a non-iranian person to be 0.97

02:17:40.840 so defensive and supportive of the terrorist islamic republic literally none no one cares 0.99

02:17:48.200 about the islamic republic unless they are on the payroll of the islamic republic let's go back 0.96

02:17:54.760 and we'll watch this again then people being doubtful and you know take exception at least

02:18:01.800 that's the method we have implemented and it has paid off here she comes right here barbara slavin 1.00

02:18:10.120 This is a terrorist supporter.

02:18:13.120 Hi, Barbara Slavin from the Stimson Center.

02:18:17.240 Two questions. 0.51

02:18:18.840 You have expressed a lot of support for sanctions, yet we see that Iran, which had a large middle

02:18:25.500 class until about 2010, 2012, has seen its economy collapse since the imposition of so-called

02:18:35.800 maximum pressure.

02:18:38.300 means people are poor it's harder for them to come out in the streets what makes you think more

02:18:44.220 maximum pressure is going to achieve the desired results and the second question i have to ask

02:18:51.900 about your identification with israel and whether you think that is appropriate please okay one

02:18:56.940 question there's lots of people who want to ask questions go ahead what a psycho like what a 0.79

02:19:01.660 psycho but his response is perfect. Iranian people don't blame the west for their poverty.

02:19:10.540 They blame the regime and everything it has done to bring them to the stage that we are right now.

02:19:18.780 I think it's only the apologies and the contrarians for the regime narrative that

02:19:25.580 told this line that oh sanctioning the country is bad and this is wanting to impoverish the people

02:19:32.780 i really really enjoyed this part because he's basically calling her out right like he's

02:19:37.660 he doesn't say she's one of them directly but he's calling out her nonsense and he's

02:19:42.620 referring to the contrarians and the people who are promoting that lie that i just spoke about

02:19:47.660 so let's go back if you didn't catch that like he basically calls her out on her on her nonsense

02:19:53.660 right um here let me just go back and we could play that again where he calls her out to the

02:19:58.540 stage that we see her right now i think it's only the apologies and the contrarians uh for the regime

02:20:06.700 narrative that uh toward this line that oh sanctioning the country is bad and this is

02:20:12.540 wanting to impoverish the people look we are in a war against this regime as iranians and we are

02:20:18.460 willing to tighten the belts to survive. Our problem is not assuming the sanctions. Our problem

02:20:24.700 is every time we had a chance, they've been thrown under the bus. They've been thrown under the bus

02:20:29.260 under the Obama administration, the Green Movement. They were thrown under the bus by the Biden

02:20:35.340 administration after the MASA movement. Are we going to be thrown under the bus yet again?

02:20:41.020 Because as long as this regime is there, the economic situation is going to continue.

02:20:45.980 But once this regime is gone, there comes the opportunity to come out of this misery.

02:20:52.240 What has delayed our liberizing ourselves from the misery is because of the wrong policy

02:21:00.340 of your governments. 0.57

02:21:03.740 Because the chief culprit is Khamenei and his regime, and you're not doing anything 0.52

02:21:07.680 to help us get rid of him.

02:21:10.680 Not because you care about us.

02:21:12.980 Just think of your own interests.

02:21:14.920 Have you achieved anything?

02:21:15.980 they given you everything that would be justifiable in terms of realpolitik if there's any of it

02:21:22.220 or diplomacy as a means to suggest that okay we're willing to negotiate but nobody takes 0.89

02:21:28.780 responsibility of it and you kick the can down the road yet again which means other iranians

02:21:33.900 on a daily basis being killed look in the last month alone we had a hundred executions in this

02:21:40.940 calendar year over a thousand this is an ongoing thing yeah that's you know he makes a very good

02:21:47.420 point in the last month alone over 100 executions by the islamic republic um over a thousand people

02:21:53.820 have been executed in the last you know like since the beginning of the year since january

02:21:58.060 a thousand people have been executed where are these people where's this like barbara slavin

02:22:03.340 vampire woman why isn't she speaking out about this she doesn't care she does not care these 0.90

02:22:08.300 people are contrarians more than that they are they are paid propagandists by the islamic republic 0.88

02:22:15.580 their only role is to legitimize the existence of the islamic republic and to attack kings of alavi 0.83

02:22:23.740 their only role that is what they're getting paid for they want to attack um and they want to 0.90

02:22:29.500 protect the islamic republic and why do they attack kings of alavi they attack him because 0.87

02:22:35.340 he is the only person who can overthrow the islamic republic the king of iran is the only

02:22:43.180 person that has the legitimacy and the trust and the support of millions of iranians in iran and

02:22:51.420 around the world again like at least 70 percent of iranians support him um i would say the number

02:22:58.380 is much higher but i'm trying to take a more conservative estimate 70 support is unheard of

02:23:05.420 i mean i was a politician for seven years when i got elected the first time i had uh just over 50

02:23:14.380 percent of the vote and that was considered huge i mean prime ministers in canada become prime

02:23:22.220 minister with only 33 percent support right so think of it 33 percent support in a democratically

02:23:30.060 elected country you can become prime minister this guy uh king is a panavi literally has over 70 0.96

02:23:38.540 support of iranians in iran and around the world to lead the revolution to overthrow the islamic

02:23:47.340 republic and to lead a transitional government until we get to the ballot box where we as

02:23:55.440 Iranians can determine through a referendum what sort of democracy we want to have. Do we want to

02:24:02.460 have a constitutional monarchy? Do we want to have a republic? Now, I personally am a huge fan

02:24:09.380 of constitutional monarchy. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I was a politician in Canada.

02:24:15.460 canada is a constitutional monarchy so i am a huge fan of constitutional monarchy i want this

02:24:22.420 man to be the king of iran um that is my personal goal that is what i am campaigning for however i

02:24:30.580 do respect his wishes that this has to be determined through a referendum um i know how

02:24:36.900 i'm going to be voting in that referendum but here's the thing we are not there yet we are not

02:24:42.020 even at the point where we can get to a referendum however the fact that we as an iranian nation are

02:24:49.300 even speaking about this and the fact that now you have western politicians uh non-iranian

02:24:58.580 politicians and governments and journalists and academics who are speaking about the day after

02:25:05.300 the fall of the islamic republic is that the writing is on the wall why is the writing on

02:25:11.140 on the wall because of this man right here because of king reza pahlavi he has been trying for 47

02:25:17.860 years and we finally have the momentum and part of the reason that we have the momentum is and

02:25:24.180 he mentioned this several times in his in his um speech today and in his comments he referred to

02:25:31.300 gen z right so the green movement the green movement was the first time there was real sort

02:25:37.380 of momentum to overthrow the islamic republic that was during my time i'm a millennial so that

02:25:41.860 was um uh around uh 20 2012 i believe um or just a little bit earlier than that if i recall correctly

02:25:51.220 so the green movement is when there was a first real sort of concerted effort that came with the

02:25:57.540 millennials that was my generation but unfortunately it wasn't enough the millennials you know we were

02:26:03.860 just not um enough to get to that point however now that gen z has grown up um it's really become 0.99

02:26:11.940 the millennials and the gen z that are the driving force of the desire to overthrow the islamic

02:26:19.700 republic um my understanding is that correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's somewhere along the

02:26:25.220 lines of like 70 of people in iran are below the age of like 40 or something i i can't recall but

02:26:32.500 But but like the millennials and Gen Z make up a huge active part of the Iranian population.

02:26:40.320 And we have united in a way that the Islamic Republic never imagined could happen.

02:26:48.100 And let me put it this way. I was born in 1985. I'm 40 years old.

02:26:52.680 I was born in 1985. The Islamic coup d'etat happened in 1979. 0.80

02:26:57.860 So I was born in an occupied Iran. My generation have never seen a free Iran, right? I don't know what a free Iran looks like. All I know is based off of what I've seen in photos, in videos, in documentaries, in the history books, right?

02:27:18.680 thank god that we have like so much footage right and not just like documentaries even like tv shows

02:27:26.200 right so many things from before so we have all even though we have never experienced a free iran

02:27:33.800 we know exactly what a free iran looks like you would think right you would think the islamic

02:27:42.200 republic assumed that um our generation and future generations because we would grow up in like an 0.64

02:27:51.400 islamic dictatorship that we would just grow up worshiping allah muhammad and the ayatollahs and 0.72

02:27:57.600 all that garbage but instead the exact opposite happened the one thing that the islamic republic 0.98

02:28:06.080 has been successful in doing is turning my generation, the millennial generation, and 0.98

02:28:12.660 all the future generations, that includes Gen Z and Gen Alpha, turning us away from Islam, 0.99

02:28:19.800 turning us away from religion, turning us away from this Islamic dictatorship thing. 0.90

02:28:26.480 They have made us fiercely nationalistic in terms of our Iranian identity, right? 0.99

02:28:34.440 So the reason that we are their worst nightmare is because they thought they could raise a generation of indoctrinated people. 0.93

02:28:44.100 Instead, it's the exact opposite. 1.00

02:28:46.200 They have created at least three generations of Iranians who want absolutely nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with Islam, nothing to do with the Islamic Republic. 0.96

02:28:57.360 And we are the ones who are overthrowing the Islamic Republic. 0.88

02:29:02.780 We are the driving force behind the desire to free Iran, and we are the ones who want our king to return.

02:29:13.300 That is the worst nightmare because the Islamic Republic thought that by getting rid of our monarchy, by getting rid of the Pahlavi dynasty, they would erase our desire for a free Iran.

02:29:26.280 That's why they are terrified of this man, because King Azhar Pahlavi represents 2,500 years worth of Iranian history.

02:29:37.640 Iran is the oldest country in the world.

02:29:40.500 It's over 3,000 years old.

02:29:43.340 And prior to the Islamic Republic, the coup d'etat, it had the longest running monarchy, right?

02:29:52.580 It was the longest running monarchy.

02:29:54.720 And I'm going to put it out there, Iran still has the longest current monarchy, because as soon as his father passed away in 1980, when Shahar Shahar Yomer passed away, Reza Pahlavi, his son, swore the coronation oath in Cairo.

02:30:18.100 Did you know that?

02:30:19.200 Let me find that, and I will bring it up.

02:30:24.720 let me just find this here. So it would be, wait, here we go.

02:30:38.100 Here we go. So share tab. Here we go. So you see that? So this is October 31st, 1980.

02:30:48.180 This is Reza Pahlavi, so, you know, the gentleman that we were just watching in the video.

02:30:56.400 We're going to go back to him.

02:30:57.580 Here he is in 1980.

02:31:00.740 As soon as his father passed away, you can see in the Kube Palace in Cairo, October 31, 1980, Reza is 20 and officially succeeds his father.

02:31:14.600 So, October 31st, 1980, a few months after his father's death, an emotional but determined Rizal Pahlavi holds a press conference in Cairo where he assumes the responsibilities as Roi du Jour, a.k.a. King of Parents, upon his 20th birthday.

02:31:35.580 So, this is the reason why the Islamic Republic is afraid of this man. 0.51

02:31:42.960 Here he is in 1980. I wasn't even born. I wasn't even born in 1980. I was born in 1985. Here he is swearing the oath, taking on the responsibilities of the Shah of Iran. He did this knowing that he was going to be doing it for the future of Iran.

02:32:02.240 He did this before I was born, before Gen Z was born, before Gen Alpha was born.

02:32:09.260 He took this oath because he was thinking about the future of Iran.

02:32:15.820 And here he is today.

02:32:18.360 Here he is today.

02:32:21.180 This live interview we just watched.

02:32:24.260 This is 45 years later.

02:32:28.100 The momentum has grown.

02:32:29.900 When he swore the oath back in 1980, the people who would support him unconditionally were not born yet, but he did that because he had the foresight to know what was going to happen in the future.

02:32:46.220 The reason that Iran is going to be free is because of this man right here. 0.82

02:32:51.280 That is why the Islamists are afraid. 0.87

02:32:54.360 That is why they are attacking him.

02:32:56.360 that is why they are trying to delegitimize our movement and i will tell you one thing iran will 1.00

02:33:02.120 be free because of our king and he is the worst nightmare of the islamists that is why they attack 0.99

02:33:08.920 him that is why they attack his supporters that is why they try to spread lies about him you just 1.00

02:33:15.480 saw barbara slavin the islamic islamic republic puppet you know spout her garbage nonsense trying 0.99

02:33:22.120 to trying to go after him and he called her out beautifully so let's go back let's um listen to 1.00

02:33:28.520 him let's you know finish finish this and then we're going to go to the other woman the other

02:33:33.160 iranian woman who's a communist again you can just see like how these people are um

02:33:39.000 they're losing it they're losing it they're they're all over the place they're angry they're 0.65

02:33:43.240 frustrated they can't even keep to one question and it's interesting because they're so flustered

02:33:50.760 right and they feel like they know that they're losing the narrative and that's why they can't

02:33:55.880 even keep to like a respectful question they have to go on and on and you know pontificate on on 0.95

02:34:02.120 their garbage and their nonsense and that other woman brought up mustard mustard is like the the 0.98

02:34:07.480 communist uh traitor russian asset right and he answered it he he answered it all beautifully so 0.99

02:34:14.040 Let's go back and finish listening to his answer. 0.71

02:34:18.680 Much more important than whether or not they can afford to put food on the table. 0.59

02:34:22.520 Their kids are being murdered every single day.

02:34:25.880 That needs to change.

02:34:27.240 Okay.

02:34:27.640 Well, I've said what I need to have from the world.

02:34:30.520 Solidarity.

02:34:31.480 The same solidarity that dissidents in the Soviet Union were expecting from the Western

02:34:37.080 free world.

02:34:37.800 The same solidarity that South Africans wanted to put a land to apartheid.

02:34:41.720 the same solidarity that helped and his friends overcome what else is different in iran the same

02:34:48.200 solidarity and we don't see it in the case of iranians we've seen always the same approach

02:34:53.560 of appeasement and negotiations endless buying time by the regime and nothing was achieved as

02:34:59.640 a result until this attitude and viewpoint is not reset the iranian people will continue to

02:35:05.480 be starving not because you're imposing sanctions that makes it more difficult for the regime to

02:35:11.480 fuel its old machine but it will keep them still longer in power and that will not change the game

02:35:16.840 the game changer is for the regime to be gone and when we say regime change it's because we

02:35:21.640 understand that it is because of the regime that we are in this misery not because of external

02:35:26.280 factors this regime is directly responsible to put the iranians in the mess it is that's why we 0.93

02:35:31.640 want as Iranians this regime to no longer be there and we question whether the world see eye to eye 0.96

02:35:36.920 with us that this is ultimately the solution as opposed to think that you can still manage them 0.99

02:35:42.120 contain them humor them appease them pay hostage bribes to them and encourage their behavior as

02:35:49.800 they have continued to have because you haven't changed their behavior in fact you have encouraged

02:35:54.520 their behavior as means of dis appeasement sir he makes um he makes a very good point there that i

02:36:00.920 want to um i want to reiterate so he says that the reason uh that iranians are experiencing poverty

02:36:08.760 or you know everything else is because of the regime that's 100 true um even when it came to 0.99

02:36:14.120 the 12-day conflict between um between uh you know israel and the islamic republic you never

02:36:21.640 saw iranians in the west go out and you know attack synagogues or or you know blame blame

02:36:27.560 uh jews or israel anything like that of course you know the pro hamas crowds did and uh you know the

02:36:32.840 um the iranian communists did but they're a very very small minority but you never saw

02:36:38.120 um any sort of like um organic mass anti-israel demonstrations by iranians in fact what you saw

02:36:45.080 instead were solidarity rallies between um israelis and iranians and the reason that you

02:36:51.960 saw the solidarity rallies is because we as Iranians we know um first of all that the war

02:36:58.700 was not between uh Israel and Iran the war was between um Israel and the Islamic Republic it was

02:37:05.600 it was Khamenei and this was a war that was started by the Islamic Republic 47 years ago

02:37:12.200 when they took our country of Iran hostage and declared jihad against Israel this war was started

02:37:20.460 at that point and it was continued through their proxies through Hamas through Hezbollah through

02:37:27.320 the Houthis this is a reality and that is why to this day there is no enmity between Iran and

02:37:33.480 Israel there is enmity between the Islamic Republic and Israel because the Islamic Republic is an 0.93

02:37:39.320 Islamofascist dictatorship there are a bunch of jihadi terrorists who yell Allahu Akbar and 0.84

02:37:44.600 jihad and all that you know nonsense or whatever but there is no enmity between iran and israel 0.87

02:37:51.040 and this is why i'm a big stickler about differentiating between iran which is what i

02:37:59.200 am i'm iranian i'm from iran versus the islamic republic oh my god this guy's talking about 0.98

02:38:07.260 operation ajax and blah blah blah that is like that's such a stupid thing the cia was only like 0.95

02:38:13.880 five years old at the time um like i don't know like i i don't i don't buy into this 0.90

02:38:20.120 operation ajax nonsense the only source for that is the cia itself no one buys that so you know

02:38:27.640 keep this operation ajax nonsense like away from like i'm not here to entertain uh conspiracy

02:38:34.120 theories at that point um mossad had nothing to do with the islamic republic uh overthrow taking over

02:38:41.080 in fact um if you look at the history israel tried to warn jimmy carter about not supporting

02:38:47.320 the ayatollah but i mean take these jewish conspiracy theories elsewhere this is not the

02:38:52.200 place for it i'm not interested in your jewish conspiracy theories so i'm just i'm just gonna like

02:38:58.520 block you because i don't this is this is not the jewish conspiracy theory space there's so many of

02:39:03.720 those out there go join like i don't know tucker carlson or candace owens or something this is i'm 0.63

02:39:09.080 not i'm not going to deal with that nonsense here anyway so um this is why the islamic republic is

02:39:15.000 so afraid of kings of ahlabi because um he has maintained that legitimacy since the passing of

02:39:24.600 his father and he is here to overthrow the islamic republic and he has a support of millions and 0.50

02:39:33.160 millions of iranians especially those of us who were born after the islamic republic took over 0.71

02:39:41.560 those of us who were born after the islamic republic took over those of us who 0.58

02:39:45.880 uh have always been you know have only seen an islamic iran um we are the ones who are fighting 0.99

02:39:53.960 to go back to what iran was before we are the worst nightmare of the islamic republic especially 0.97

02:40:00.200 those of us who live outside of iran um and we know what it's like to live in a normal 0.79

02:40:08.440 democratic country you know myself i was raised in canada um that's what i want for iran i want

02:40:14.560 iran to be a free normal democratic country preferably uh you know a constitutional monarchy

02:40:21.440 with with this man king is a palavi is king that's what i'm fighting for but this is something

02:40:27.080 the islamic republic never expected they never expected um at least three generations of iranians

02:40:33.720 that i'm including gen alpha in there um if anything i would say gen alpha is even more

02:40:39.880 patriotic than um the other two generations and that's because gen alpha is being raised by

02:40:47.160 the millennials right so you have um patriotic parents and then you have ultra patriotic 0.92

02:40:55.320 children so the islamic republic is over and done with is over and done with and that is why you

02:41:03.000 have these people attacking king of tahilavi so let's go to i want to go to um the next uh where

02:41:11.320 is it there's someone else of violence that ends the crazy woman i'm kevin sheehan from multiplier 0.95

02:41:18.200 capital uh your late father here we go yeah i fell so this is like this crazy communist woman 0.96

02:41:27.800 again like i mean so this woman here god so this woman who's gonna speak right now 0.79

02:41:36.680 and ask her a question she is part of the we call them nasli panjo hafti which means like the the

02:41:44.040 generation of 57 of course 57 is islamic calendar so um in english it would translate to the 79

02:41:50.680 generation so so she's part of the 79ers who essentially uh overthrew the shah right so so

02:42:00.680 she is you know when we talk about the uh the army of the red and the black um so let me just

02:42:08.760 change this here so when we talk about the army of the red and black right you have the black

02:42:13.800 being the islamists and then you have the wait why is this person still here

02:42:27.000 okay i don't know maybe that person came back in i i removed them again so the army of the red and 0.62

02:42:31.720 black you have the islamists which is the black and then you have the communists which is the

02:42:35.720 red the reason that the islamic republic was successful in overthrowing the shah and taking 0.82

02:42:41.640 control is because back in 1979 they had the support of the communists the so-called you know

02:42:49.560 intellectuals which they're not actually but but it was these communists right and when you listen

02:42:55.080 to her ask her question she's going to bring up some names she's going to bring up um most

02:43:00.840 was this evil evil person um who was a russian soviet kgv asset and basically he tried to turn

02:43:10.360 iran into a russian proxy um a communist proxy which was then he was subsequently stopped by the 0.63

02:43:17.320 by um the shah at the time his father and i can do a whole space live stream on most at another

02:43:23.080 point but she refers to him and then she refers to the mek the mek is an islamic um they are they are

02:43:31.000 a marxist islamist cult right the mek is more uh mosat was not democratically elected oh my gosh

02:43:41.080 this is like why how is this person still here like i'm how are you able to come in like i don't

02:43:49.160 understand mosat was not democratically elected mosat was appointed just like every other prime

02:43:56.200 minister and by the way all these people who say oh most of the most not yet they cannot name a

02:44:01.240 single other prime minister of iran what about hoveda no one ever talks about hoveda no one

02:44:06.760 ever talks about how most addict supporters in 1979 murdered uh hoveda right so i mean

02:44:14.440 it's always like like do not try to iran-splain my country to me okay like don't come in here

02:44:20.360 and pretend like you know anything about iran and then try to iran-splain my country to me by

02:44:25.240 by pushing this russian uh disinformation and propaganda and i see the iranians in the chat

02:44:32.680 are responding to him i mean yeah most was a communist traitor i've tweeted so much uh about

02:44:39.720 him um and you know i i will do i will do a whole other space on most if you guys want i will totally 0.96

02:44:47.400 like go through the whole thing but i'm telling you now like when it comes to this most garbage 0.97

02:44:54.040 nonsense like we're just we're so sick of it like he is one of the most hated iranians in all of 0.99

02:45:01.000 iran like iranians hate this man the only people that seem to support him are the conspiracy 0.95

02:45:08.440 theorists or you know the people who support the islamic republic so here we go this woman she's

02:45:14.600 going to talk about how like um the communists wanted a democracy how the hell did communists

02:45:22.520 wanted democracy it makes absolutely no sense here let me show you who the communists were

02:45:29.240 um in 1979. let me go to my feed because i've tweeted about this um let me find it here

02:45:40.760 i've spoken about this before i've tweeted about this okay like

02:45:45.320 here we go um let me switch this here we go do you see this do you see this woman

02:45:57.720 this this is the mek okay this is the mek

02:46:05.400 how is how is this guy like coming in here and swearing this is this is so weird um anyways i

02:46:11.320 just i just stand and removed his comments again that's so bizarre i don't know how he's doing it

02:46:16.920 um anyway so this this is the mek so the the woman who's about to ask the next question

02:46:24.520 when she says oh the mek wanted democracy does this look like someone who wants a democracy 1.00

02:46:31.160 does this crazy woman here with her like crazy head scarf and her like literal like communist 1.00

02:46:37.400 propaganda in what reality have communists ever wanted to have a democracy literally none right 1.00

02:46:45.560 but this is the propaganda that they promote this is the garbage narrative that these people 0.51

02:46:52.120 promote they basically just throw out these names and they assume that no one knows who they are 0.75

02:46:59.640 or no one's going to question them on it now perhaps you know 15 20 years ago when they pushed

02:47:06.680 this communist propaganda um non-iranians wouldn't push back because they wouldn't know

02:47:14.040 any better you know you you would assume that when an iranian speaks about something relating 0.87

02:47:19.320 to iranian history that they're telling the truth i'm here to tell you they're not so this woman 0.87

02:47:24.460 who's about to ask the question she is literally a communist okay so she hates the shah she hates 0.53

02:47:33.040 you know everything she is working with the islamic republic because again these people

02:47:39.520 these people were with the islamic republic and together they overthrew the shah in 1979 um so

02:47:52.640 this is a weird person how how is this person still coming anyway whatever i guess i'm just like

02:47:57.920 i guess they're really upset by the truth uh so bizarre anyway so so these are the people

02:48:04.080 who helped to overthrow uh the the shah at the time and brought in the islamic republic

02:48:11.040 does this person look like someone who wants a democracy 0.97

02:48:16.880 and yet this is the garbage nonsense that we iranians have been dealing with for 47 years so 0.97

02:48:23.680 So I'm going to go back, I'm going to play the question, and when that like crazy woman starts like spouting about Mossadir, and then she talks about the MEK, this is what she's referring to right here. 0.98

02:48:33.960 It doesn't get much clearer than that. 0.52

02:48:35.720 Literally, you see the communist sickle and hammer. 0.93

02:48:38.760 And what's even more insane is that these people aren't just communists, they're Islamic communists. 0.94

02:48:45.820 Now you might be asking, how does that make sense? 0.91

02:48:48.180 how can someone be an islamic marxist because isn't marxism about about not having religion 0.93

02:48:54.420 normally i would say yes you are correct however this is the level of iq of these people right 0.75

02:49:01.420 like their iq is so low that they don't even understand what communism communism is and what 0.97

02:49:10.060 it signifies so these people like this is this is one of those like weird islamic death sex cults 1.00

02:49:17.800 I'm not even joking. And by the way, they call themselves Mojahedin, which means fighters of jihad. 1.00

02:49:23.360 So in what reality can a group named fighters of jihad want a democracy that's secular?

02:49:33.220 Does that make sense to you? Of course not.

02:49:35.760 So let's go back. I'm going to play that woman that, you know, the communist woman asking her question.

02:49:41.920 And she's literally going to say in her question that, oh, the Mojahedin, she's like, these people wanted a democracy.

02:49:51.460 These people.

02:49:52.680 Let's go back and watch that.

02:49:54.040 Like, this is the insanity that we deal with. 1.00

02:49:58.340 To transfer their loyalty to some new transition government, what would you expect help from the G- 0.97

02:50:05.620 Let me go back. 0.58

02:50:06.880 Let me go.

02:50:07.360 Okay, here we go. 0.96

02:50:07.940 Iran.

02:50:08.460 and not the university. 0.99

02:50:13.460 Government, what would you expect help from the GCC

02:50:16.460 and other friendly neighbors and allies? 0.79

02:50:18.460 Great.

02:50:21.460 Yes, right here. Yes, please.

02:50:24.460 Thank you very much.

02:50:26.460 Shireen Hunter, Georgetown University.

02:50:29.460 I have to first of all say that I do share

02:50:33.460 your highness's vision for Iran.

02:50:36.460 a secular Iran, a nationalist Iran, where the focus and the order of priority is Iran

02:50:44.880 and not Islam or some other kind of transnational aspirations.

02:50:49.540 With respect, Shireen, if you could get to the question.

02:50:51.520 I will get to the question.

02:50:52.960 I'm sorry, Steve, but, you know, there are some preliminaries have to be said. 0.87

02:50:58.220 She's so hostile.

02:50:59.500 Like, what preliminaries need to be said?

02:51:01.180 Who are you, first of all?

02:51:02.640 like who the hell are you that you feel the need that you need to pontificate and give some sort 0.61

02:51:07.980 of preliminaries. Literally, no one cares about you. No one cares about your opinion. But this 0.98

02:51:12.840 is how the Islamists and the communists try to take control of the narrative, right? So you can 0.95

02:51:18.020 see from her expression, like, sorry, I said that in Farsi. So it's like her blood pressure has gone

02:51:26.200 up right like she is so frustrated because this is her worst nightmare as a communist this is

02:51:33.400 their worst nightmare right like look at look at the evil um like the anger in her eyes right

02:51:41.160 like her head's about to explode right because these communists are losing the narrative so for 1.00

02:51:47.640 her to even feel the need to like you know and then she's so rude she's so rude right like the

02:51:54.360 guy cuts her off he's like just get to the point she's like no no no there are preliminaries that

02:51:59.800 really but this just goes to show you these people are losing the plot and they they don't know what

02:52:06.920 to do they're going insane because they're losing the plot they don't know what to do about it so

02:52:11.560 they're trying to now infiltrate those spaces where king is a pahlavi is and if you i'll go

02:52:20.280 back and you know we'll play together that interaction um if you go back and you look at it

02:52:26.440 um like and and we'll listen to the question but the question is more about attacking him

02:52:35.720 king is a palavi than it is about the islamic republic here let's let's uh do this diversity

02:52:43.000 I have to, first of all, say that I do share Your Highness's vision for Iran, a secular

02:52:51.680 Iran, a nationalist Iran, where the focus and the order of priority is Iran and not

02:52:59.720 Islam or some other kind of transnational aspirations.

02:53:03.440 MR.

02:53:04.440 If you could get to the question.

02:53:05.440 I will get to the question.

02:53:06.440 I'm sorry, Steve, but there are some preliminaries that have to be said.

02:53:12.800 Other than my more important, however, problem with the way you are approaching is because you were very young when.

02:53:22.460 Wow. So so the most important problem isn't the Islamic regime. 0.98

02:53:30.500 Her most important problem is not a brutal totalitarian Islamic dictatorship that literally murders on average three Iranians a day. 0.77

02:53:41.340 The most important problem isn't the fact that Iranian people are under occupation by a brutal Islamic dictatorship. 0.90

02:53:49.700 Her most important problem isn't that these ayatollahs are stealing billions of dollars of Iranian money and leaving the country destitute. 0.90

02:54:00.180 Her most important problem is Reza Pahlavi. 0.95

02:54:05.820 Did you catch that?

02:54:07.680 This is the level of insanity. 0.51

02:54:10.360 This is, you know, people talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

02:54:15.860 Let me introduce you to Pahlavi derangement syndrome.

02:54:19.380 These people have Pahlavi derangement syndrome, and it's been going on for decades.

02:54:26.780 Decades, I'm telling you.

02:54:28.100 Like, not even starting with the current Shah.

02:54:32.600 It goes back to his grandfather, Rizal Shah the Great, who we call the father of modern-day Iran. 0.64

02:54:41.480 This Pahlavi derangement syndrome goes back decades.

02:54:45.340 Like, it goes back 100 years.

02:54:47.120 And you're about to witness Pahlavi derangement syndrome.

02:54:52.260 Here we go.

02:54:52.860 National aspirations.

02:54:54.080 If you could get to the question.

02:54:56.080 I will get to the question.

02:54:57.480 I'm sorry, Steve, but, you know, there are some preliminaries have to be said.

02:55:02.600 The other, my more important, however, problem with the way you are approaching is because

02:55:10.760 you were very young when the 1979 revolution happened, but I was a diplomat of my country

02:55:18.280 and I felt the whole weight of the tragedy of that. 0.61

02:55:24.480 Everybody there was also gathering together, the communists, the Mujahideen, the Mossadeqists

02:55:30.900 and so on and they were hoping that they're going to have a democratic government and so on and we

02:55:37.380 saw what happened so again again so she's she literally said the the communists were gathering

02:55:44.980 hoping to have a democratic government in in what reality i'm sorry in what reality do communists

02:55:56.740 have a democracy can anyone point to me a single democratic country that is run by communists

02:56:07.220 does that even exist 0.99

02:56:10.820 this is the idiocy that we iranians have been dealing with for 47 years do you see this this 1.00

02:56:18.900 this level of idiocy and ignorance where this woman by the way reza pahlavi was 18 years old 1.00

02:56:25.780 at the time that the revolution happened so for her to claim that he was this young child 0.99

02:56:30.100 is bogus and i can tell you that at 18 years old he had more experience um life experience 1.00

02:56:36.900 education and qualifications in his pinky finger than this communist idiot woman has had her entire 0.99

02:56:43.460 uh life right so um i mean i don't know like and the very fact that she just said that communists 1.00

02:56:51.140 wanted to have a democracy it just negates everything like she literally she made a fool

02:56:56.420 of herself and i think she also exposed herself in front of all those people to communists and

02:57:02.340 then she says the mek again remember who the mek are this is the mek this is the mek right here 0.95

02:57:09.540 right so she she she literally just said that these people these people here this crazy woman 1.00

02:57:17.380 wanted a democracy can you believe that like this is this is the nonsense this is the propaganda 0.96

02:57:24.340 and then she mentions most again most was a communist who was affiliated with all of these

02:57:30.660 people so in in literally in one breath she says the communists and the and the mujahideen and 0.99

02:57:36.660 uh mosat wanted a democracy isn't isn't that like the level of idiocy that we have to deal with as 0.99

02:57:43.700 iranians um it's just part of the pahlavi derangement syndrome so there you go like it 0.98

02:57:49.780 just like these people um they're exposing themselves because they're desperate they

02:57:54.660 know the end is near um and they know that that the iranian people have made their choice they're

02:58:01.460 going to support king as a pahlavi um he is going to free iran we are going to have a secular

02:58:07.620 democracy and i have a feeling um you know i would say i'm 100 positive that uh we're gonna go back

02:58:17.860 to a constitutional monarchy because that's what iranian people want and we're gonna we're gonna

02:58:22.900 return our king we're gonna return our king so here is this crazy woman i'm gonna just go back 1.00

02:58:28.900 so we can listen to her craziness but now like you can see here like i think just based on that 1.00

02:58:34.740 one premise alone um where she starts off her question by claiming that the communists wanted 0.98

02:58:41.700 the democracy i'm pretty sure everyone in the room was just like okay like she's just a crazy woman 0.72

02:58:46.740 at this point because like in what reality and what reality do communists everyone democracy here

02:58:52.180 we go the 1979 revolution happened but i was thank you very much um shireen hunter georgetown

02:59:01.460 university i have to first of all say that i do share your highness's vision for iran

02:59:10.020 a secular iran a nationalist iran where the focus and the order of priority is iran and not islam

02:59:19.380 or some other kind of transnational aspirations if you could get to the question i will get to the

02:59:25.540 question i'm sorry steve but you know there are some preliminaries have to be said um the other

02:59:32.420 the more my more important however problem with the way you are approaching is because you were

02:59:39.780 very young when the 1979 revolution was 18 but i was a diplomat of my country and i felt the whole

02:59:49.940 weight of the tragedy of that everybody there was also gathering together the communists the

02:59:56.660 Mujahideen the Mossadeqists and so on and they were hoping that they're going to have a democratic

03:00:03.940 government and so on and we saw what happened when your late father left immediately after that of

03:00:10.900 course the regrets began however all these opposition groups began to fight among themselves

03:00:19.380 about cats and dogs now why are you so uh optimistic that the same kind of thing is not

03:00:27.940 going to happen because let's face it there is an element that you forget and that is element of

03:00:33.860 power that's the power one last word please steve the other thing is that the iran's condition

03:00:41.700 actually now is much more fragile you iran has predatory neighbors including turkey

03:00:48.660 which wants the dismemberment of iran so this argument i'm going to stop right here for a

03:00:55.700 moment this argument that she puts out there you know oh the balkanization of iran separate

03:01:01.700 you know separation um this is also a narrative that's been pushed by the islamic republic

03:01:07.860 and you know so basically the islamic republic has been saying for 47 years that uh if we leave

03:01:14.020 then iran will be balkanized and you know all these different countries are going to come in and 0.84

03:01:18.340 and you know tear the country apart it's going to be like another yugoslavia um and so that's why 0.97

03:01:23.540 the islamic regime has to stay in power so that we can prevent iran from breaking up again that's 0.82

03:01:29.540 you know just one of the um it's russian disinformation it's just islamic regime propaganda

03:01:35.540 this separation narrative literally does not exist in the country um iran has existed as a

03:01:42.660 country for over 3 000 years and for some reason the islamic republic thinks that iranians have

03:01:49.860 short memory and that we're going to forget this so for her to bring up this bogus narrative um

03:01:58.740 this is one of the arguments of these bad actors it's something that has been pushed for a very

03:02:04.180 long time and at this point it's a sign of desperation so this woman she is a bad actor 0.97

03:02:10.580 she has the blood of millions of iranians on her hands because instead of attacking the islamic 1.00

03:02:19.700 regime she is attacking the king of iran she is attacking the legitimate leader of the iranian 0.50

03:02:27.780 opposition and you know as she said earlier her more important question is about uh the legitimacy

03:02:36.740 of the king of iran and his efforts to overthrow the islamic regime so i mean this this all goes

03:02:42.740 back to the pahlavi derangement syndrome that these people have right like to me at this point

03:02:48.180 in the game the writing is on the wall and anyone who is more focused on attacking the leader of the

03:02:57.220 iranian national uprising anyone who's more focused on attacking the king as opposed to

03:03:01.860 attacking the islamic republic at this point is an enemy of iran is an enemy of the iranian people

03:03:08.260 and she's only in it for the money so she just cares about her paycheck

03:03:12.900 so let's continue and also state of israel would like iran to be uh divided up so why do you think

03:03:21.060 the state of israel wants iran to be divided up again it's it's so easy to spot um the enemies of

03:03:34.340 the iranian people that like just totally came out of the blue um and you know it's it's a common 0.69

03:03:43.620 element of the far left you know because this woman's clearly a communist right like she she

03:03:49.940 just flat out in the beginning said that the communists wanted a democracy which is not true

03:03:54.820 but it is an element of the far left no matter which part of the world you know they are or

03:04:00.340 they're from there's always that anti-israel sentiment and you know the iranian communists

03:04:06.420 are no different so um you know in 1979 when the communists joined the um when when the communists

03:04:14.260 joined the islamists to overthrow the islamic regime communists were very anti-israel very

03:04:18.500 anti-semitic and you're seeing this again like when did israel ever say they want to balkanize

03:04:25.220 iran so for her to like just bring that up randomly um out of the blue with no facts with

03:04:31.540 no evidence it's insane what she is trying to do is she's trying to attack the king and his

03:04:38.900 efforts to or not his efforts his successful effort in normalizing relations with israel

03:04:44.900 um i don't know if you guys are aware but just a few weeks ago the king's team was actually in

03:04:49.860 israel meeting with israeli officials um about how to uh you know save iran um once the islamic

03:04:56.740 republic is overthrown when it comes to its water crisis um prime minister netanyahu in his speech

03:05:02.820 at the u.n said make iran great again um nowhere in the policy of the israeli government is it to

03:05:09.860 balkanize iran or break iran up so for her to throw that out there again it just shows how

03:05:17.540 desperate these people are um and it just goes to show that these people are just scrambling

03:05:27.140 trying to to find something to hold on to um again like this is this is just what they do so

03:05:36.980 it's also very interesting to me that instead of criticizing the islamic regime and criticizing

03:05:42.500 um the ayatollahs she's instead criticizing the king and criticizing israel the pahlavi derangement

03:05:50.740 syndrome is insane with these people let's just finish this off and then we'll get to to his

03:05:56.180 question because king is a pahlavi uh his his answer is fantastic i think that everybody is

03:06:03.060 just going to sit on their hands and allow the iranians to get rid of this regime we have never

03:06:10.340 tried to change regime behavior through real engagement and so why don't you give that a chance

03:06:19.300 so that's another thing she says we have never tried to change regime behavior through real

03:06:24.740 engagement um actually the reformists and she's a part of the reformists have been

03:06:32.420 pushing this reformist narrative for 15 20 years and it hasn't worked um this is another line from

03:06:40.100 the islamic republic so for her to criticize the king for for saying that you shouldn't negotiate

03:06:47.300 with terrorists that should let you know that should clue you in that she's also on the islamic 0.89

03:06:53.620 regime's payroll because you cannot reform a totalitarian dictatorship that murders its own 0.70

03:07:02.680 people right so what she's basically saying here like the equivalent would be like someone um during

03:07:09.040 world war ii basically criticizing america and saying why are you going to war with hitler um

03:07:16.120 you've never actually actively tried to um engage with hitler and try to get them to change their

03:07:24.320 regime policies right like that's exactly what they're doing so she is a very disingenuous

03:07:31.660 person and for her to promote that regime change narrative like she's she's on the side of the

03:07:38.440 islamic regime because iranians especially inside the country have made it very clear

03:07:44.440 They do not want the Islamic regime. They do not want a reformed Islamic regime. They do not want any sort of Islamic regime. They want to overthrow the Islamic regime. They want to end the Islamic regime.

03:08:00.820 they want a completely new regime, they want a completely new government that has absolutely 0.79

03:08:07.540 nothing to do with the Islamic Republic. That is what people inside of Iran are saying.

03:08:14.280 So for her to come out and say this is incredibly disingenuine. And I don't know,

03:08:21.640 if any Americans are watching this, this woman should be on some sort of watch list, 0.99

03:08:25.320 because to me she's a threat to American national security anyone who is promoting Islamic regime

03:08:32.420 propaganda to me is a terrorist and is a threat to your national security so keep an eye on this 0.56

03:08:39.320 woman because she is a bad bad actor all right let's just catch that again where she says you've 0.50

03:08:45.680 never tried to change the regime and then let's get to uh to the king's response thing is that

03:08:50.600 that Iran's condition actually now is much more fragile.

03:08:55.320 Iran has predatory neighbors, including Turkey,

03:08:59.300 which wants the dismemberment of Iran. 0.91

03:09:02.200 And also, the state of Israel would

03:09:04.760 like Iran to be divided up.

03:09:08.360 So why do you think that everybody is just 1.00

03:09:10.820 going to sit on their hands and allow the Iranians 0.96

03:09:14.100 to get rid of this regime? 0.96

03:09:16.600 We have never tried to change regime behavior

03:09:21.300 through real engagement.

03:09:23.540 And so why don't you give that a chance?

03:09:26.040 Thank you.

03:09:27.540 I'm not sure ultimately what the specific question is

03:09:31.340 because that's almost like one course.

03:09:34.580 My first job in Washington was a research associate

03:09:37.880 at CSIS and Shireen Hunter.

03:09:40.000 She was a force of nature then,

03:09:41.480 and she's still a force of nature now.

03:09:43.540 I totally forgot about the first question, and then we'll finish with that.

03:09:52.700 The other question about the immediate aftermath of security, if we can do it in about 35 seconds.

03:09:58.920 Why are you optimistic that Shireen's first question was, given the history of the revolution,

03:10:07.400 and there was lots of hope for real progressive change, why are you optimistic that this time,

03:10:12.340 such a if the regime were to collapse that you would have a different outcome you would have a

03:10:17.220 more democratic open society in iran that it wouldn't revert to some sort of authoritarian

03:10:22.900 i think the the biggest element that gives me confidence is not what the elite says or what

03:10:28.100 the grassroots says today iran's grassroots the people on the streets by the millions across the

03:10:35.860 the country are chanting death to the dictator.

03:10:40.360 In 1978, what drove the agenda was not the masses on the streets.

03:10:45.940 It was certain intellectual circles, mostly the Marxists and the Islamists who found some

03:10:53.360 interesting comment against the previous establishment that drove the narrative.

03:11:02.660 Some remnant of those still exists, but they are irrelevant because the grassroots have

03:11:08.420 passed way beyond that point. 0.64

03:11:11.280 The millions of Iranian youth today, the Gen Z of Iran today is very clear on what it wants 1.00

03:11:16.820 and what it doesn't want. 0.99

03:11:18.840 And at the end of the day, they are the ones who will define the future.

03:11:24.100 Not some think tank in Washington.

03:11:27.260 Not some reporter in such newspaper here or in Europe, but the people on the streets.

03:11:35.400 And those within the Iranian intelligentsia, academic centers, activists, civil society,

03:11:43.240 advocates, lawyers, doctors, scientists, who catch up to that ask and that demand and are

03:11:49.480 here to serve what these people at the end of the day want for themselves, are going

03:11:55.520 to be the factor that would determine it.

03:11:58.640 If it was, if everything we said right now was sort of crafted or engineered or designed

03:12:06.020 in some office, in some building, writing a script for a country, I would have said,

03:12:12.960 sure, maybe we don't know what the hell we're doing.

03:12:16.560 All I'm doing is facilitating and maximizing the chance for that grassroots to succeed.

03:12:24.300 So the real question is, can we actually help that grassroots fulfill their dream and aspirations

03:12:29.760 to freedom?

03:12:31.820 That's what it's all about.

03:12:33.320 And that's what my campaign is there to reinforce and maximize their chance to succeed.

03:12:39.340 And that needs to be understood.

03:12:41.060 And I hope I can convey that to all of you, that this is what it's all about.

03:12:46.120 Remember what is the ask of the millions of Iranians who are fed up with this regime,

03:12:50.520 and do they deserve better than what they have?

03:12:54.000 are unfortunately out of time. What a fantastic, fantastic answer. He not only called out that

03:13:05.540 communist woman, but when he referred to the fact that Iran's future is not going to be dictated by

03:13:11.740 some journalist, you know, in the States or Europe, he was referring to Barbara Slavin,

03:13:16.800 right, and all the other journalists and pundits who are on the payroll of the Islamic Republic.

03:13:24.800 so i think this is a very good place to end the live stream it went on a little bit longer than i

03:13:29.920 thought uh because i was going to speak about um something else but of course uh with the king's um

03:13:37.920 what's in his uh his talk today at the council of foreign relations um it was a fantastic

03:13:44.000 opportunity to speak about this so i'm glad we got to watch the whole thing live i you know

03:13:49.120 live streamed it here uh we watched it together we spoke about it we broke it down um so i

03:13:56.320 appreciate all of that and if you can please join me on youtube like and subscribe to my channel

03:14:04.560 uh share the live stream i'm going to be doing more of these sorts of videos where i take riz

03:14:12.320 of these interviews and then i break it down section by section because he says a lot of things

03:14:19.760 but a lot of it is is sort of lost in the the nuance here and you know there's a lot of nuances

03:14:25.040 that sometimes get lost so i'm going to be doing more of this especially since the movement to

03:14:30.800 overthrow the islamic republic is really growing in strength growing in numbers and the regime is 0.99

03:14:38.560 scared and you saw you saw with those two um evil garbage women with their evil garbage questions 1.00

03:14:45.440 um they're getting very scared they know the end is near they know they're going to be losing their 0.97

03:14:50.400 paychecks very soon so thank you everyone for joining i appreciate it um thank you for for

03:14:56.800 the comments i enjoyed the the conversations here as well on on youtube so yeah let's uh let's keep

03:15:04.880 this going and i will see you guys at some point soon thank you everyone plan to eat on job

Goldie Ghamari - October 03, 2025

Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi speaks at the Council on Foreign Relations on Iran Regime Change

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