00:36:31.160about forming allies and standing on a street corner yelling at period cramps on the other side
00:36:40.600is not going to make a difference we can put our energy our intellect everything towards something
00:36:48.360that is actually meaningful because another part of these protests which are really hate fest people
00:36:54.040call them protests that is it's actually a brilliant maneuver on the part of this globally
00:37:00.520coordinated campaign because what does it do you try to counter what they do so they have a hate
00:37:07.080fest you want to counter it and they are wasting your time they are doing everything they can to
00:37:13.080waste our time so if they're having one of their little protests and then we come and try to
00:37:19.000counter that mission accomplished for them they already won so these are things that we have to
00:37:25.560stop engaging in because as much as we can blame the government for not giving consequences to
00:37:31.000their actions we need to look at our own actions because our leaders have failed us and we cannot
00:37:36.360fail us and by continuing to go to these stupid little juvenile terror tantrums that are held
00:37:44.840every weekend we are just continuing we're perpetuating the problem we're feeding into
00:37:51.640them we're giving them fuel and that has to stop um so you know speaking of of government you know
00:38:00.680in action and you know politicians who are just completely inept i want to bring up uh you know
00:38:07.480our quote unquote favorite mayor the most useless mayor i think one of the most useless mayors in
00:38:13.000the entire world um olivia chow you want to talk about that collection pardon me do you want to
00:38:20.600talk about her hijab collection what are you talking about i mean at this point at this point
00:38:28.360i wouldn't be surprised if she like started wearing a burqa right at these events like just0.82
00:38:32.240absolutely ridiculous but i mean this is um like i i want to play this video um and then you know
00:38:39.220we'll get into it so here she is at the you know at an event that's organized by the national
00:38:44.740council of canadian muslims again for those of you who don't know national council of canadian
00:38:49.780muslims um used to be called care canada it was an offshoot of care usa care usa um was uh you
00:38:57.920know is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood according to FBI documents submitted into a court
00:39:02.600so you basically have this this Islamist jihadi organization in Canada the same one by the way
00:39:08.480the same one that accused me of Islamophobia for speaking out against Jew hate and radical Islam
00:39:14.360and terrorism right they have Olivia Chow there and I believe she's probably the third mayor in
00:39:22.720the world um to to talk about this you know this this fake genocide in gaza right i mean you have
00:39:30.480the mayor of dearborn michigan the you know the islamist jihadi guy who like you know worships
00:39:35.920hezbollah hezbollah is another terrorist organization um you have i think sadiq khan
00:39:41.440maybe now zora mandani and now you have olivia chow right so you know wonderful company she's
00:39:47.280in but i want to play this speech and then i have i want to get your thoughts on this i have a few
00:39:51.840questions. We feel the pain of what happens around the world. The genocide in Gaza impact us all.
00:40:01.520Our common law and our shared humanity is tested. And I always speak out when children anywhere
00:40:09.200are feeling the pain and violence and hunger. Did she write that speech or did Ben?
00:40:18.320uh first of all yeah i just want to ask you this so first of all like she's the mayor of toronto
00:40:26.560mayors have no impact on foreign policy whatsoever right like like nothing that she does has any0.94
00:40:34.080impact on foreign policy is there is there actually a genocide in in gaza dahlia like
00:40:41.840did any like um official authority declare that there was a genocide did the international court
00:40:49.120of justice declare that there was a genocide in gaza first of all we've only had declarations
00:40:54.160that there's not a genocide in gaza and it doesn't matter what you say because it's on tick tock so
00:41:03.760it exists olivia chow we're talking about the same mayor who on october 7th 2023 tweeted out
00:41:14.160that we need to think of the pain that the palestinians are going through right now she
00:41:21.760later deleted that tweet but i captured it so you're welcome olivia and it just seems as though
00:41:30.400she was very quick to the draw and you have to wonder if there was any sort of coordination
00:41:40.160that prompted her to make that post where again she was talking about the suffering
00:41:47.760of the palestinians on october 7th when they fought before israel had even retaliated or
00:41:54.720israel had retaliated when they slaughtered jews so badly i i was able to bear witness to the
00:42:02.160aftermath and i was on the kibbutzim and i was at nova they slaughtered jews and tanzanian and thai
00:42:11.360and you know anybody who was in israel they slaughtered them so savagely that there were
00:42:18.000places where they chopped up their body parts and spread them around so that it would be more
00:42:23.600difficult to identify them when they had to put these bodies back together like puzzle pieces
00:42:29.680that's what they did and she was telling us we needed to feel the pain of the palestinians on
00:42:37.840that day what a savage psychotic person honestly like it's just it's sick to my stomach um like
00:42:47.040Like, people in Israel and, you know, and around the world were still trying to process the horrific images that the Hamas terrorists themselves were streaming and putting out there gleefully, right?
00:43:03.500And there were people in Toronto, like the pro-Palestinian Islamic jihadis were out on October 7 celebrating the massacre, the slaughter of 1,200 innocent Jews.
00:43:17.560The worst massacre since World War II.
00:43:21.280People are out in Toronto celebrating this, which is disgusting.
00:43:25.180And then you have this psychotic mayor in Toronto who's talking about the pain of the Palestinians.
00:57:29.980so that old that old irish man who is upset by the flag of israel is mcdimmy because i mean
00:57:39.900if he lived in an islamic caliphate he would be a second-class citizen unless he converted to israel
00:57:45.660this this is what we're dealing with they were calling him mcdimmy they're their god their hero
00:57:54.620so no i i mean we're dealing with people stupid people are very dangerous
00:58:01.660confident stupid people are the most dangerous people you can possibly deal with they're
00:58:06.220dangerous to themselves and they're dangerous to society and this is what we have right now
00:58:12.220you know i look back at when i was in university and i'm not immune to what happens either i've
00:58:18.860always been very strong-minded i form my own opinions but i look back i was in political
00:58:25.420science this was one of my majors and german because i thought that a good jewish girl needs
00:58:30.620to learn german i should have learned arabic um and they were teaching us about the importance of
00:58:37.500dei and the way that we were taught about the importance of dei they showed like a sliding
00:58:43.420scale so you start with equality of opportunity and then you move on to different types of
00:58:49.820equality and then the best is dei so there was no critical lens to view this with it was just
00:58:56.940here you have this and then the best you can get the best you can achieve for society
00:59:02.620is dei so imagine i have to write a paper talking a 20-page paper talking about the virtues
00:59:11.980of dei so it's very surreptitious the way i was because i i believed it too i was like yes dei
00:59:23.660until you understand what it is and when you're taught that this is what it is and you're told
00:59:30.220you have to write a paper on its virtues and your grades you know depend on agreeing with the
00:59:37.660professor of course this is an excellent way to indoctrinate even people like myself who have
00:59:46.460always viewed things with a more critical eye i didn't i look back now and i see the faults that
00:59:53.820i had you know the way i looked at things and so to look at how far universities you could say have
01:00:00.940progressed i would say regressed at this point they're not learning institutions for the most
01:00:06.700part there are a few good ones uh but they're they're not learning institutions for the most
01:00:11.420part they're indoctrination camps and you can see because the students aren't even in class anymore
01:00:18.060they're able to rip up the lawn at mcgill they're able to smash the windows they're able to smash
01:00:22.780the doors they're able to put bloody paint all over the place you see police running after all
01:00:27.980of these masked students most of which probably aren't even students on the loose not one arrest
01:00:33.740and yet things continue so how does this happen i i mean it's coordinated on so many levels
01:00:40.940systemically educationally um politically in our health care system it's absolutely everywhere
01:00:49.580to the point at which we have politicians or people put in place like olivia chow like
01:00:55.980mark carney and you wonder are they getting salaries perks where where are they getting
01:01:03.420anything in return that we're not seeing for what they do it can't be so cut and dry with what we
01:01:12.060are exposed to i'll tell you i've been i've been in circles i'm in circles with politicians and
01:01:20.460you know this too that a lot of what happens behind the scenes people will never find out about
01:01:26.540and it's very much like the dirty soap operas that you see on tv that just seem like they're so
01:01:33.340fabricated and they're not realistic but when you're in the world of politics
01:01:38.220you can see how realistic these soap operas actually are
01:01:44.700you know you make some very good points there and you know i i actually remember
01:01:49.420learning about di and university as well i mean um this is 20 years ago now um and i was also
01:01:55.740taking political science and you're absolutely right the way that you know political science
01:01:59.740and the humanities works if you want to get a good grade you have to basically agree with the
01:02:03.820professor and when i was in university that was sort of the beginning of this you know indoctrination
01:02:11.100from the the neo-marxists or the neo-communists right where um i distinctly recall my university
01:02:18.220professors would teach us about you know latin america and you know we would have to praise um
01:02:25.180praise the the you know amazing socialists who were turning their countries into a utopia based
01:02:32.300on socialism or whatever like um like hugo chavez or you know we even had to like you know write up
01:02:38.060you know praise you know che guevara and all these people right and now like 20 years later
01:02:43.180uh in latin america that's obviously backlashed right it's backlash severely and yet that's what
01:02:49.900um university professors were teaching and you know dei sort of goes into that but also this
01:02:57.340narrative of the colonizer versus the colonized and the way that that and and i'll get to this
01:03:05.500because i want your thoughts on this but you know the way that sort of ties in together is you know
01:03:10.220know, they structure it in this very simplistic framework of, you know, white equals colonizer
01:03:18.800equals bad, brown equals colonized equals good, right? Like, that's, that's, that's how they teach
01:03:24.900it, which is incredibly simplistic, because the biggest colonizers in the world, you know,
01:03:31.480are the Arab Muslims, they basically colonized, like 25% of the world, right? And that includes
01:03:39.560Israel, that includes Iran. Now, you know, the indigenous people of Iran, the Iranians like
01:03:44.540myself, we were able to, you know, avoid being Arabized, let's say, so we were able to keep our
01:03:50.600distinct, you know, ethnicity and heritage and language. Of course, you know, they imposed
01:03:57.840Islam on us. But it's same thing with Israel, right? And yet, for some reason, these people
01:04:05.240all have a very simplistic perspective and the wrong perspective especially when it comes to
01:04:11.200israel and they claim that because the the you know that the arabs are brown and you know the
01:04:17.540jews not all of them some of them because i've been to israel right and and you know iranians
01:04:22.220we come in various colors from white to black and it's the same thing various colors you know from
01:04:27.960from white um to my parents have three children we also come in various colors
01:04:36.120from white to dark brown like this is this is just how it is it's but it's not in that way and
01:04:42.920i'm white when people want me to be white and i'm whatever subhuman color they want me to be
01:04:47.640when i'm a subhuman whatever and i am born in montreal and i am not a colonizer i'm a canadian
01:04:56.680But it doesn't matter because whatever argument you have, the people on the other side will try to invalidate it with any argument that doesn't make sense.
01:05:07.740I shared a picture of my black grandfather and my black niece online and I said, here's a white colonizer, you know, my grandfather, white colonizer, my niece, white colonizer.
01:05:19.220and they're clearly not white and the number of responses that i get that are completely
01:05:24.440nonsensical to try to devalidate what i'm saying is oh there you're fast goalie as soon as you have
01:05:32.720these arguments with people you can't engage in the arguments because once you have the argument
01:05:39.060they win so i don't even bother responding but there's my white colonizer niece my white
01:05:44.760colonizing grandfather and if you see pictures of her as a baby by the way side by side it's
01:05:50.600so cute because they had the same hairstyle i love that but i mean that's part of the problem
01:05:58.760with the indoctrination right like they um they they want you know they classify jews as white
01:06:07.720um in order to then fit them into this colonizer versus colonized narrative
01:06:14.760um which you know they they they use for uh English colonization and you know don't get me wrong like
01:06:22.860of course there was there was British colonization there was European colonization but the European
01:06:29.160colonization pales in comparison to the Arab Islamist colonization and no one no one ever
01:06:36.120teaches about that no one ever teaches about the Arab slave trade no one ever teaches about Arabic
01:06:41.160colonization. So a lot of people don't know about it. Meanwhile, those of us who are from the
01:06:47.080Middle East, we're, you know, sitting there twiddling our thumbs like, hello, you know,
01:06:51.360what about us? We're here, right? And no one ever asks why, like, pretty much everyone in the Middle
01:06:57.640East, you know, up until the border of Iran, of course, because we resisted Arabic. But everyone
01:07:03.900in the Middle East, and then all of like, North Africa, no one ever questions why they all speak
01:07:09.500arabic right and no one ever asked that question you touch upon something that is actually critical
01:07:17.340to education and it's a mistake that the jewish communities around the world have made in all of
01:07:26.380their efforts to help i guess you can say if you want to talk about the the pr behind everything
01:07:32.620The big mistake is that Jewish communities, Israel, has always pushed only for Holocaust education. Holocaust education is, of course, imperative above all. We just lost another Holocaust survivor the other day, Manfred Goldberg, I think, and we keep losing our survivors.
01:07:54.540that this is not the point of education, that this is not the only point of education we need.
01:08:00.940People do not understand what Israel is. They do not understand that Zionism is the first
01:08:07.020successful anti-colonialist movement. They do not understand the history of why Israel came to be,
01:08:16.380what exactly happened, the massacres that the Palestinians committed, for instance, in Lebanon,
01:08:26.120and people have no idea about this history. And this is the history that needs to be pushed
01:08:34.780by not only the Jewish community, but any community, any movement, any organization,
01:08:40.720any political organization that values democracy they need to teach it because if you want to look
01:08:47.360we've always talked about greece as understanding democracy israel is the country israel is the
01:08:54.720place where we taught how to achieve democracy when it is taken away from you and that is
01:09:03.200intensely valuable but nobody learns about this nobody understands it i have highly educated
01:09:10.400ex-friends who were never really friends who immediately believe the propaganda that they're
01:09:17.200shown because it's shown with a bully it's shown with were the victims and the number of times
01:09:27.680that it's repeated makes it more believable and it's not only the repetition of this message that
01:09:33.200makes it believable but what ends up happening is we end up hearing two sides we hear
01:09:40.000the israel side and we hear the hamas type side if you will and when you keep hearing for instance
01:09:47.680from the hamas side things that sound so ostentatious like the most incredulous lies
01:09:53.360and then you hear something opposite from israel which will be the truth people think everything
01:09:59.600is a lie and then who are they going to believe they're going to believe the louder bullier type
01:10:06.000of voice and that is why people they're not choosing it because it's so believable because
01:10:11.200if you listen to it it really makes no sense they are choosing it because they don't understand and
01:10:18.160people want to make a decision they want to feel like they understand they want to feel like they're
01:10:22.560They're part of something bigger than they are, so they choose to go with the bully.
01:10:28.240And this is a serious lack of education we have, and that's where we're finding ourselves because of it.
01:10:36.140And, you know, you also have these propaganda outlets like Al Jazeera, for example, right?
01:10:43.820Like Al Jazeera, which is a mouthpiece for Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood,
01:10:49.220and, of course, the Islamic Republic occupying Iran, where I'm from.
01:10:52.560right? And, you know, Al Jazeera is actually banned in several Middle Eastern countries,
01:10:59.720right? Al Jazeera is banned in Saudi Arabia, it's banned in Egypt, it's banned in Bahrain,
01:11:05.700it's banned in Jordan, and it's banned in the United Arab Emirates, right? And the list goes
01:11:10.040on and on and on. So Al Jazeera is banned in those countries, which are, you know, Muslim countries,
01:11:16.760right muslim countries in the middle east have banned al jazeera because al jazeera is uh known
01:11:23.480to be a mouthpiece for islamic exactly and yet al jazeera like canadian journalists and and media
01:11:35.160are using al jazeera as a reference for what's supposedly happening in the middle east even
01:11:42.360though it's banned in those middle eastern countries and it's not just al jazeera they
01:11:46.040also they've also created um aj plus aj plus is you know very very prevalent um and it caters to
01:11:53.880the younger people right with their videos and whatever and they have been indoctrinating the
01:11:58.680young people for quite a while now because how else how else would um you know like a a young
01:12:07.000person in canada who doesn't know the difference between hamas and hummus wake up one day
01:12:14.920right and and and claim that like hamas are resistance fighters right meanwhile we all know
01:12:21.240that they're islamic terrorists we all know what they stand for um they they are the palestinian
01:12:26.440branch of the muslim brotherhood brotherhood which is you know again banned in several middle
01:12:31.320Middle Eastern countries. And yet, you know, it's not by accident, Dahlia, that you have these
01:12:37.340people who have no connection to the Middle East, wake up one day, and they're chanting free
01:12:42.580battle sign, and they're talking about this fake genocide in Gaza. But not only that, they're now
01:12:47.620targeting Jews in their own countries who have absolutely nothing, nothing, you know, related to
01:12:55.620what's happening in Israel. And yet, it's like this collective guilt, right? But yet somehow,
01:13:01.320They are using this narrative and this language to portray it as the opposite. So they are engaging in domestic terrorism, and yet they are using language to make it seem as if they are the oppressed, and it is their right to, for example, go and attack Jews who are holding a private event in Toronto because they are fighting, you know, they are the resistance, right?
01:13:26.420like how does it get to this point who is behind this who's funding this well i mean we know when
01:13:33.300we follow the money you know you for instance you can look to see the sources and we've talked about
01:13:38.420these things ad nauseum but when you talk about language you hit something very important there
01:13:43.780because i've i have a six point science-based plan of course that was started by the mossad
01:13:51.300they trained me apparently to give me this information one of the key points in mobilizing
01:13:57.460people around a cause and this is science based one of the key points of mobilizing is around
01:14:03.460language which is a very big reason why i brought up the word anti-semitism earlier as being a part
01:14:10.820of that language when nazis didn't want to have the word judenhaas jew hatred and they needed to
01:14:18.820replace it with something more scientific sounding and you can see when you say oh this was
01:14:24.340an anti-semitic event or you can say this was a jew hating event the impact of it it immediately
01:14:33.780changes anti-semitism there's no jewish word in there there's nothing jewish about it and it
01:14:40.420doesn't even make sense so when people are talking about anti-semitism over the years
01:14:46.100there's um a mental block that connects anti-semitism with jewish people and this is
01:14:55.540key that's just an iota you know we we talk about during the holocaust they would speak of the
01:15:02.980people who were in the concentration camps they called them prisoners media called them prisoners
01:15:09.540governments called them prisoners they weren't prisoners if we learned anything on october 7th
01:15:14.820they were hostages but the language that we use is critical in understanding the world before us
01:15:22.580and the language that they're using and how they've manipulated language the way they have i
01:15:28.820mean the reason why when i wrote my book dear zionist you are not alone is because i wanted
01:15:36.260to take back the word that they're bastardizing the word that they're trying to hijack and change
01:15:42.340the meaning of because this is a very big part of this war it is language so language is key and
01:15:51.300it's good that you touched upon that because you know we always talk about the money and where's
01:15:55.620the money coming from and this and that and we could follow the trail but i think what people
01:15:59.780have to do is start looking at different ideas to understand how we've gotten to where we are
01:16:05.300and one of them is language and we have to be more critical in our thinking we have to be more
01:16:09.940critical in how we implement language and how we come together around words and that's why i
01:16:15.220strongly strongly tell people you need to stop using the word antisemitism throw it out the
01:16:22.180window replace it with jew hate little changes like that i mean we're nowhere near the cascade
01:16:28.500of propaganda that they've created on the other side to fight back with using one word and using
01:16:33.780it properly but we have to get into the mindset that language is very important and we need to
01:16:40.660take it back you know i really appreciate that because i have been using the word anti-semitism
01:16:46.100so you know i learned something new today and you know from now on i will try to make a habit of
01:16:52.180training myself to use the word jew hate um instead of anti-semitism because you're right language
01:16:58.420matters and it is it is critical so yeah this is why i love talking to you uh because you always
01:17:04.100teach me something new um and i really appreciate that and you know speaking of language so i just
01:17:09.300want to show like this is another example of how these um you know these pro ballastine terrorists
01:17:16.980use language to invert the narrative so here um they're literally claiming that you know
01:17:23.780toronto students are brutalized by an idf soldier yes all right oh yeah of the of right because they
01:17:32.920don't they don't want to say idf they say iof right again language right so so they're they're
01:17:39.260the ones who literally broke into um a private event right because the event wasn't even held
01:17:46.380my understanding is it wasn't even held on uh university grounds because university i guess
01:17:51.360they received pressure from the pro-balestine jihadi islamic terrorists to cancel the event
01:17:57.600um and so the university being the cowards that they are said well you know we're gonna wash our
01:18:03.320hands clean of this so they actually held it somewhere else close to the venue uh sorry close
01:18:08.920to the university but on a private venue right and then and then these these jihadis break in
01:18:16.000they they break the glass they they break in um the the jewish students are are feeling terrified
01:18:23.120and yet you know when they engage in self-defense as you know they have the right to do so because
01:18:28.880you know they're breaking an entry they've changed the language and they're claiming
01:18:34.080you know that toronto students are brutalized by the ios soldier right and and this is how
01:18:40.400they they invert the narrative to try and fool people who might not have the full picture right
01:18:47.120let's just watch this like this this is the insanity that we're dealing with with these
01:18:51.440like islamic jihadis you want them in the room you're not allowed to touch them you're not
01:19:24.800oh my god yeah and then they push this out on every social channel each of them they follow
01:19:39.360their marching orders and then people it falls into mainstream feeds and people see this and
01:19:46.160that's exactly what they're going to believe because it it follows the narrative but not only
01:19:50.720that what happens when you have this many if you want to speak technologically when you have this
01:19:57.320many videos that are saying iof and the students were brutalizing whomever algorithms ai pick this
01:20:07.160up and then it's teaching google it's teaching grok it's teaching chat gpt a wrong an inverted
01:20:15.900reality because it's prolific and so they're winning this on several levels the technological
01:20:23.760level and also with the useful infidels that we have so there's it's it's very hard especially
01:20:33.080when we're fighting numbers like this and there's a serious fatigue at this point because also when
01:20:39.440we say ceasefire as donald trump announces well what happens at that point the world is like
01:20:45.040Finally, like enough of this. I'm tired of hearing about this. It's over. And that's the perfect time for them to escalate what they're doing when people are looking away more for them to get away with even more. So it's exceptionally well coordinated. This entire scheme that they've created. It's only going to get worse and worse. And I shared a post earlier today. Maybe you could find this because there's so many numbers on it.
01:21:12.940it might be the last thing that i put up and it's showing the percentage of jews that were in warsaw
01:21:19.740about a hundred years ago the percentage that were in baghdad the percentage that were in where else
01:21:27.560was it i forget what other city i put and it's just showing for instance how new york is that
01:21:33.340this one yes there it is so new york is 12 jewish and this was the city you know the biggest jewish
01:21:41.100population outside of Israel. This was the city that we were relying on to keep us safe. And then
01:21:46.420they vote in Mamdani. And if you look at the history, if you look at Baghdad, if you look at
01:21:53.300Minsk, if you look at Warsaw, look at them 100 years ago, the percentage of Jews that they had,
01:21:58.580and look at them now. New York has only 12%, far fewer than when you look at a place like Warsaw,
01:22:06.380for instance and then look at how far it's come down from genocide and ethnic cleansing
01:22:12.620new york is not immune by the way i would love to see numbers on palestinians right now and how
01:22:19.740palestinians i'll use quotes and how their numbers have only grown exceptionally quickly
01:22:28.620especially under a famine and genocide because um if you starve yourself as
01:22:37.020gymnasts who have had to regulate their food consumption for instance you will lose your
01:22:43.260period you will not menstruate you will lose your ability to be fertile yet in a famine
01:22:51.020gazans are like bunnies so explain that to me olivia chow or you're 100 right yeah
01:23:01.900no you're you're 100 right i mean if i just want to point out like if if this was a so-called
01:23:07.660genocide um it was the worst genocide in the history of genocides ever because it was literally
01:23:14.620the opposite effect like the population of gaza actually increased right that's not what happens
01:23:20.380um in a genocide and when you compare uh images of you know jews freed from auschwitz versus you
01:23:28.240know the day after the ceasefire it's night and day but no one ever speaks about that right no
01:23:32.580one ever speaks about um the the absolute lies right of of this fake genocide and fake famine
01:23:40.500um in in gaza where you know the only thing that they suffer from is a high bmi and diabetes
01:23:47.160sugar-induced diabetes, from what I've seen, right?
01:23:50.340And, you know, you look at just the other day, Rom Roslowski, who is a hostage survivor,
01:23:59.300he shared part of his story with Israeli TV, and this was published around the world.
01:24:05.240And he talks about the horrors, the sheer horrors that he faced of violent sexual brutality
01:24:12.200against him uh having rocks hammered into his ears with nails the the torture that he experienced as
01:24:23.860a human skeleton the horrors of everything he said give me chills as i speak of it right now
01:24:30.500and his bravery to share it with the world and the way people have ignored him the way that
01:24:37.900But can you imagine if a Palestinian, a Ghazan, came out with the same story that Rom shared?