Goldie Ghamari - Sam Shamoun： Contradictions in Islam

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00:02:00.000 well good afternoon good evening good morning everyone wherever you are

00:02:27.860 Thank you for joining me for the evening live stream of, uh, the Goldie show.

00:02:34.180 Hopefully we've, uh, you know, dealt with the internet connectivity issues that we were having

00:02:40.240 yesterday. Um, I think, I think we're all good. Everything seems to be going pretty well. So

00:02:46.680 let's just hope that, uh, this, this continues. Um, so I have a very interesting, uh, video that

00:02:54.360 I want to share with all of you tonight. First of all, big shout out to the subscribers,

00:03:03.520 the members, and of course the mods on YouTube. Thank you for being here and joining me.

00:03:10.580 A lot of you have asked me to talk about religion specifically, and it's not really

00:03:20.180 something that I do because my focus is more on Islamic terrorism and Islamic radicalism and of

00:03:28.660 course fundamentalism and Middle Eastern politics. But a lot of you have asked me about it. So I

00:03:38.400 actually found a very interesting podcast by Patrick Bet-David and he aired this about three

00:03:47.280 weeks ago. And he had a very interesting conversation with someone named Sam Shamoon.

00:03:52.840 So I just want to read who Sam Shamoon is. And then we're going to go ahead and we're going to

00:03:57.980 watch that podcast together. And then, you know, we can have a conversation about it in the live

00:04:04.700 stream. You know, I will give my thoughts here and there. But this is more of an exploratory

00:04:13.380 video. And it's more just to give you guys an understanding, not coming from me, but coming

00:04:23.080 from people who are much more informed when it comes to the theological side of the debate. 0.81

00:04:34.480 Because again, my focus is politics and Islamic terrorism. So who is Sam Shamoon? 0.91

00:04:42.880 Sam Shamoun is a prominent Christian apologist and theologian of Assyrian descent, widely known

00:04:52.040 for his extensive work in Christian-Muslim interfaith debates and writings. He operates

00:04:58.340 primarily through the website Answering Islam and his popular YouTube channel, Shamounian.

00:05:04.440 um right off the top the fact that he is um an Assyrian this guy's like the OG because um like

00:05:16.140 I've actually spoken about Assyrians in my short video clips before um you know if you've ever

00:05:23.940 seen my Iranian here with another pro tip you know video clip um I talk about various aspects

00:05:30.800 of the Middle East. And I have actually spoken about Assyrians and how they are one of the most

00:05:41.060 persecuted communities in the Middle East by Islamic fundamentals and Islamic terrorists. So 0.64

00:05:50.380 like Assyrian Christians, they're literally like the OG Christians. So I just want to put it out 0.99

00:05:57.020 there. Key details. Focus. Shamoon's work largely concentrates on critically evaluating Islamic

00:06:05.780 claims and defending Christian doctrines like the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity. He's a

00:06:11.960 frequent participant in debates and discussions with Muslim polemicists. Background. Originally

00:06:19.560 from an Assyrian church of the East background and a former Calvinist apologist, Shamoon has

00:06:26.680 recently identified as a Roman Catholic and attends Catholic mass. Style. He is known for

00:06:33.640 a confrontational, fiery, and direct style in his apologetics, which has generated both

00:06:41.560 significant admiration and controversy within religious communities. But I mean, let's be

00:06:47.200 honest, when you're part of a community that's been persecuted for the last 1400 years, yeah,

00:06:53.860 I can understand why you would want to be fiery and direct in your style content. His articles

00:07:00.380 and videos cover various topics, including refutations of objections against the deity of

00:07:06.540 Jesus, analysis of the Quran and Hadith to challenge Islamic theological positions,

00:07:14.240 Bible studies assigned to help Christians understand scripture better, and respond to

00:07:19.500 arguments from other religious groups. All right. So there's a little background on Sam Shamoon. 0.83

00:07:27.800 Now let's go to the actual podcast itself. So the podcast is available, of course, on PBD's channel

00:07:37.240 and it's titled Muslims Will Be Offended. Sam Shamoon reveals Quran and Prophet Muhammad 1.00

00:07:45.700 contradictions. And the description goes, Christian apologist Sam Shamoon joins Patrick

00:07:52.400 Met David for a bold talk on faith, courage, and conviction. From debating Islam to defending the

00:07:59.040 Bible, Sam shares his mission, trials, and belief that the truth must be spoken no matter the cost.

00:08:06.060 A raw and fearless conversation about faith and action. All right, with that, let's get going. I'm

00:08:14.560 interested to see what he has to say as well. And don't forget to like and share the YouTube

00:08:21.880 live stream. If we all believe the same thing, we'd be the same religion. According to the New

00:08:27.200 Testament, it's going to hurt people. Muhammad is an antichrist. There are many antichrists who 1.00

00:08:31.580 come into the world. I know Muslims will get offended, but it is what it is. What happened 0.99

00:08:35.440 with you and Jenko? Give him some time. There was a misunderstanding. That's fine. Have you guys

00:08:41.340 spoken since or no go find people where they're at invite them to islam and if they accept they're 0.99

00:08:46.300 safe if not take the jizya from them and if not kill them until the victor goes the spoils how 0.98

00:08:51.240 you go where you were at to now being able to sit down against any muslim pretty much and have a 1.00

00:08:57.100 strong debate with them most muslims are shocked to hear when i say oh has it aisha did you know 0.99

00:09:02.320 she was nine when muhammad deflowered her you're a liar you're lying can you tell me how to invite 0.99

00:09:07.300 jesus she thought i was crazy what are you talking about but i remember crying out to him 0.98

00:09:12.660 you know and i said jesus i don't know how to invite you in but i want you in my life

00:09:18.020 i'm not supposed to cry i'm jesus there's something very different about you that

00:09:22.180 uh you're you're a complicated human being

00:09:30.020 so i mean so far just from the clips that i heard nothing he said was incorrect

00:09:37.300 Did you ever think you would make it?

00:09:44.700 I feel I'm so excited to take sweet victory.

00:09:47.820 I know this life meant for me.

00:09:50.220 Adam, what's your coming?

00:09:51.900 The future looks bright.

00:09:54.180 My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right?

00:09:57.540 You are a one-on-one?

00:09:58.820 My son, Jerry.

00:09:59.420 I know.

00:10:00.460 I'm the one.

00:10:02.380 Okay, we have a special guest in the house. 0.96

00:10:08.560 It's very rare you will get three Assyrians in the room doing a podcast, 0.79

00:10:12.800 but we're pulling it off today. 0.84

00:10:13.920 We have Vincent O'Shanna.

00:10:15.020 Obviously, we know Mr. Hanson, the Assyrian Al Pacino-looking Vinny,

00:10:22.420 and then we have the great Sam Shamon in the house.

00:10:25.780 Shalom alohon.

00:10:28.100 By the way, just for the people to know,

00:10:32.380 just like you have 12 tribes of israel we have many tribes of assyria and each tribe has a clan

00:10:38.520 so i'm from the jilu tribe if you do a little history about us we're known as the warrior 0.94

00:10:43.700 tribe even we speak like warriors so the jews are not going to be rejoicing now that i spoke

00:10:50.940 yeah so i didn't know that first time i was turned on uh by your content was uh uh an old

00:11:00.260 uh friend of ours marvin he says you got to watch this guy and i'm like this guy's incredible so

00:11:05.140 capable talented and then obviously we invited you to have you on a podcast yeah and then eventually

00:11:11.940 we were able to get you to be here and it's it's um i'm happy we're finally doing this well

00:11:17.940 glory to the father of our lord jesus christ i always ask the spirit to fill me uh to help me

00:11:23.700 to point people to christ and not bring attention to any of us because there's a danger

00:11:30.700 among not just politics or even in celebrity figures even the apologetic realm of what i

00:11:37.740 call cult of personality where you are drawn to a person and you idolize them and so by the grace

00:11:44.500 of god in this field there can be no idols so it cannot be about me and how great i am

00:11:49.700 and because we are all struggling in the flesh sometimes our ego loves to be praised and i have

00:11:56.560 to check that right so glory to jesus christ for the gifts he gives he's given me but i pray in

00:12:02.020 this session i disappear and jesus shines through me and that through this message everyone will be

00:12:08.760 filled with the spirit to know that christ is the only hope of salvation and he has to be the king

00:12:14.580 of every sphere of our life not just religiously but politically sam you're um if somebody goes and

00:12:20.440 searches you and they type in your name and they go to views it's you and muslims back and forth

00:12:26.000 back let's let's play one of them i'll play actually play the other one play this one here

00:12:30.280 first that was my fears is this your first public debate so this is your first public debate go ahead 0.97

00:12:35.840 rob yeah a woman can be beaten according to the glorious quran now do you want to get into a long 0.99

00:12:41.160 discussion that's the what is the position of women in the quran and the bible i mean we can

00:12:45.640 do that the book of revelation chapter 14 verses 4 and 5 shows that women will not enter paradise

00:12:53.760 he talks about revelation 14 that doesn't work read the context it's speaking of 144 000

00:13:00.120 of israel who were specifically chosen for a task after mentioning the 144 000 this is what you

00:13:07.640 conveniently forgot revelation 7 verse 9 i looked and there before me was a great multitude that no

00:13:15.160 one could count from every nation tribe people and language standing before the throne in front of

00:13:21.880 the lamb they were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands and they

00:13:27.240 cried out in a loud voice salvation belongs to our god yeah this is why like i'd never um

00:13:34.120 um debate religion itself because this is like way beyond me like when it gets into um the depths

00:13:44.500 of of these sorts of things like this is why my focus is more on um Islamic terrorism and the

00:13:53.140 ideology that that promotes you know Islamic terrorism but um yeah I mean I guess this is

00:14:01.380 this is interesting but um yeah like this is getting way into the theological um debate stuff

00:14:12.080 which is just you know a whole other level but i mean i can see how it's sort of i mean in a way

00:14:20.220 it is related to islamic terrorism because there are certain parts of the the quran um which do

00:14:29.840 promote um terrorism um so you have to be very frank and honest about that um but like i don't

00:14:38.760 get into the nitty-gritty like i just focus more on the practical day-to-day stuff but uh yeah let's

00:14:44.980 let's continue this guy seems like he definitely knows his stuff our god who sits on the throne

00:14:50.800 and to the lamb that's the context do not distort my scripture oh so so i mean this is this is where

00:14:57.820 a lot of the stuff out there for you but what i want to do is before we go on here i just want to

00:15:02.000 learn about you i want to know your story so walk me through how you go where you were at to now 0.73

00:15:06.800 being able to sit down against any muslim pretty much and have a strong debate with them how did

00:15:12.760 that happen by the way this debate i had just stopped bodybuilding just to give you a little

00:15:18.320 background i come from a family of bodybuilders so in the 90s i used to train so when i see some

00:15:24.220 your handsome muscular staff you know i started getting envy you know visa sin but yeah i was

00:15:30.380 just looking at myself i even though i stopped bodybuilding i didn't stop eating as if i was a

00:15:34.860 bodybuilder but to give you a little background i was born in kuwait 1972 came to chicago in 1974.

00:15:45.100 so pretty much i've been raised in america a chicagoan don't know much about the middle east

00:15:50.660 Though our parents are Christian, if you're from an Assyrian background,

00:15:54.880 they'll either be typically part of the Assyrian Church of the East,

00:15:58.240 or in the case if you come from Iran specifically,

00:16:02.780 they'll either be Presbyterian, because we had a lot of missionaries

00:16:06.140 that came to the Middle East and converted the Assyrians to, let's say, Presbyterianism.

00:16:11.200 But historically, the church of the Assyrians is in the West called Nestorian Church.

00:16:17.140 Now, why do they call us Nestorian?

00:16:18.640 Yeah, interesting that he mentioned Iran. I'm actually kind of glad he did. Patrick David himself is an Assyrian-Iranian, and he's Christian as well. He was born in Iran and left Iran at the age of eight with his parents. 0.99

00:16:33.020 historians it's not a compliment and i want to boggle you down with the details but there was

00:16:39.080 a bishop in the fifth century named bishop nestorius who was accused of teaching that there

00:16:45.000 are two persons in christ that he's a divine person human person and that's blasphemy and so

00:16:50.860 the assyrians have been labeled nestorian but it's not a compliment it's meant to ostracize

00:16:56.380 the assyrian church because the bible teaches and the church teaches christ is one person

00:17:01.420 he's an eternal uncreated divine person who became flesh from the holy virgin so to say he's two

00:17:08.300 persons is blasphemy so they were accused of holding to the two-person theory of christ which

00:17:13.220 is not true so that's my background and i don't know if you come from that background typically

00:17:18.400 if you're from that background you'll be baptized as an infant but even presbyterians baptize

00:17:22.980 infants but for a different reason so not to bog you with the details in the assyrian church

00:17:28.780 Water baptism is the means by which the Spirit comes on you,

00:17:32.940 makes you one with Christ, so that you're already part of Christ's body.

00:17:37.820 So he regenerates you.

00:17:39.120 He makes you alive, unites you to Christ.

00:17:41.280 Presbyterians believe that water baptism is the sign

00:17:44.200 that makes you a member of the covenant community,

00:17:47.620 the new covenant of Jesus Christ, but it doesn't regenerate you.

00:17:51.220 It doesn't make you one with Christ.

00:17:52.620 That's something you must do later on.

00:17:54.500 So there are some differences.

00:17:55.780 So I was baptized, Assyrian Church of the East,

00:17:57.460 but my parents never told me about christianity i didn't learn about christianity from my parents

00:18:03.460 never told me who jesus was what the bible is i remember going to go to church well they would

00:18:09.300 take me to church but i didn't know what we're doing like once a week maybe once every couple

00:18:13.220 of weeks you know christmas i had no idea that's none whatsoever but my introduction to christianity

00:18:19.220 came from a nine-year-old Assyrian boy named Raymond Malko from Lebanon. He preached to me the

00:18:27.300 gospel of Jesus Christ. In Chicago? Yep, at nine. He was nine years old. Six and a half. He's nine,

00:18:33.540 you're six and a half. Yes. His grandmother was a godly, saintly woman. She was from a Catholic

00:18:39.020 background, but his uncles on his mother's side, they were taught Baptist theology. So if you're

00:18:45.800 familiar with what they call the independent fundamental say i'm giving you too many like

00:18:50.300 denominations but it is what it is there are a lot of denominations and the independent

00:18:54.760 fundamental baptist denomination believe that you have to go soul winning win souls for christ

00:19:01.140 so you got to go knock on doors and lead them into the sinner's prayer so his uncles taught

00:19:06.440 him that theology so he would go soul winning so he found this soul and for the first couple

00:19:12.480 weeks i just ignored him i thought he was crazy but then one day he got my attention because he

00:19:17.760 said jesus christ and i'm giving you the just remember i'm the six and a half i'm 53 you know

00:19:23.360 and it's kind of sad you guys are younger than me that's scaring me i'm better looking and healthier

00:19:28.560 lord i pray for that glorified body sooner than later so he told me jesus christ is a son of god

00:19:35.520 see if i talk about the story you know i get a little emotional so and he told me off that he

00:19:43.280 loved me so much he died for me that rocked me at six and a half to know someone would love me that

00:19:50.080 much to die for me so he taught me the sinner's prayer it's in his prayers you know you say lord

00:19:56.160 jesus i'm a sinner come into my heart now being a kid i thought i had to recite that prayer word

00:20:02.160 for word because we take everything literally right and he told me do it at night so i took

00:20:07.040 him literally i had to wait till night so i was afraid i was going to forget the prayer and i

00:20:11.200 kept reciting it and night came and i forgot it but i remember that night and i remember that

00:20:17.280 i was in tears my mom was next to me and uh i told her i remember waking her up saying can you tell

00:20:23.600 me how to invite jesus she thought i was crazy what are you talking about but i remember crying

00:20:28.560 out to him you know and i said jesus i don't know how to invite you in but i want you in my life

00:20:37.040 so six and a half he would do street evangelism there are people from the neighborhood chicago

00:20:44.560 foster and clark street there are people who are listening who are going to remember this

00:20:48.560 he actually would lead you can tell um how strong his faith is because he's literally getting

00:20:58.940 emotional sharing this childhood story of of his like you can just hear the passion in his voice

00:21:08.000 me and he would preach and we'd gather crowds a nine-year-old because it's shocking

00:21:13.980 I mean, a nine-year-old, and he'd preach fire and brimstone and hell.

00:21:18.220 And I was just a sidekick.

00:21:19.840 I didn't know anything.

00:21:21.380 Now, you fast forward, he had to relocate, and I lost my elder brother

00:21:26.380 because he was the one who held me accountable.

00:21:28.900 Sadly, my teenage years, things happened, broken family.

00:21:32.680 Dad left.

00:21:34.460 I was very close to my uncle, and he died of cancer in about, I believe,

00:21:37.860 it was 1982.

00:21:38.780 So he was closer to me than my father.

00:21:41.120 So I just gave up on everything.

00:21:42.540 And I started doing things I shouldn't have done.

00:21:45.160 You know, teenage, you go into drinking and, you know, things that we're not proud of.

00:21:49.340 But I had a huge emptiness in my heart because I've always suffered with two things in my life.

00:21:54.680 And these are symptoms of pride.

00:21:56.120 If you actually break it down, symptoms of pride.

00:21:58.380 But nonetheless, I suffered from low self-esteem and body dysmorphia,

00:22:03.180 which is still two demons that I have to slay to this day.

00:22:07.560 And because I had this low self-esteem and really, really just body shamed myself, I felt more depressed.

00:22:16.380 So I thought the solution would be bodybuilding.

00:22:18.740 Why? Because my older brother started bodybuilding.

00:22:22.420 And if you know about bodybuilding, you probably have heard of Sergio Olivia.

00:22:26.920 Of course.

00:22:27.780 He was a Chicago cop, but he also had a gym.

00:22:30.700 He's got a son as well right now that competes.

00:22:32.480 Incredible physique.

00:22:33.420 Oh, really?

00:22:34.020 His son makes his father.

00:22:35.260 He was known for one of the greatest poses of all time.

00:22:37.260 yeah if you go to images sergio olivia his forearms he does just pose the one the fourth

00:22:42.060 picture that one right there jeez look at that you should see a son that's crazy makes his father

00:22:47.100 look like you can you pull up his son's picture as well his son is benny you won't even believe 0.99

00:22:51.500 it look at his son that's look at that that's a son to the right oh my goodness oh my damn wow

00:22:59.020 yeah yeah it's crazy so chicago so i said maybe you know what let me try bodybuilding now another 0.93

00:23:06.220 thing is one of the biggest influences on my life wasn't a religious figure was bruce lee

00:23:12.060 i still love bruce lee i just can't get over this guy and when i hear people saying oh he was an

00:23:17.100 actor it's us that gets me angry what are you talking about man in the street fight will gouge

00:23:20.860 your eyes out you know the myth of bruce lee so i thought in my very sick mind maybe i can get

00:23:27.260 into kickboxing and bodybuilding and become the first assurian movie star talking too much

00:23:32.860 bruce lee did it arnold schwarzenegger i'm getting bored by this like can we just get to

00:23:39.260 oh wow his origin story is like 24 minutes okay i'm just gonna skip ahead

00:23:45.260 life so clearly the jesus of history is not okay let's life

00:23:55.260 all right john let's start from here now remember what allah is it said about allah he's the truth

00:24:00.420 He gives life.

00:24:01.160 Yes.

00:24:01.540 And then the hour is coming where he will raise the dead.

00:24:04.700 Sounds familiar.

00:24:05.160 Hold on here.

00:24:05.700 John 5, 21.

00:24:06.700 Watch here.

00:24:07.220 Let's go here.

00:24:08.900 21.

00:24:09.540 Now watch.

00:24:10.900 Right in the middle.

00:24:11.960 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,

00:24:15.600 even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

00:24:19.640 So Father and Son both give life.

00:24:22.120 But in 25, if you watch verse 25,

00:24:24.980 Verily, truly I tell you.

00:24:26.320 Now this translation, NIV, says a time.

00:24:28.660 the literal translation is an hour is coming if you read it it's an hour because niv is more of

00:24:34.920 a paraphrase so some bibles do not translate literally because in translating literally you

00:24:39.920 lose meaning so they have to paraphrase so this is a paraphrase in fact we as syrians can relate

00:24:45.260 if i say if you translate english and say what the hell are you talking about yeah right yeah

00:24:51.740 that's how it is with languages so sometimes you can't translate literally you got to translate

00:24:56.280 meaning but literally it says very truly i tell you an hour is coming and has now come when the

00:25:03.240 dead will hear the voice of the son of god not allah the son of god and those who hear will live

00:25:10.280 now 28 29 says something amazing because the cron says the hour is coming have no doubt about it well

00:25:15.880 allah will raise them from their graves but who does that according to our bible do not be amazed

00:25:20.920 that this for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out

00:25:26.280 whose voice the son of god so if i were to compare what jesus says of himself with what was said

00:25:31.960 about allah clearly jesus claimed to be god because the things jesus says is ascribed to

00:25:36.520 the islamic deity not to a prophet so prophet cannot speak this way if islam is true so what

00:25:42.680 do they tell you your bible's corrupt another passage john you brought it up john 14 6 right 0.54

00:25:47.080 we read that i'm sorry notice there he says i am the way and the truth on the names of allah and

00:25:52.920 the life so clearly the jesus of history is not asa he did not announce coming muhammad so from

00:25:59.160 a christian perspective as offensive as it may be facts are facts if we all believe the same thing 0.83

00:26:05.560 we'd be the same religion according to the new testament it's going to hurt people muhammad is

00:26:10.520 an antichrist that's the new testament teaching because what is the criteria for did he just say

00:26:17.480 what i thought he said wow okay for an antichrist first john chapter 2 22 to 23 tells you who's the

00:26:27.960 antichrist he who denies the father and the son islam says allah is not a father and jesus is

00:26:34.280 definitely not his son in fact in chapter 9 of the quran verse 30 you know what it says and the jews

00:26:39.880 say uzair is the son of allah to this day scholars are baffled who is this uzair and what jews said

00:26:46.840 it now some translations will tell you that uzair is azra the prophet but the context is the call

00:26:53.260 to jihad a lot of people don't know that one of the last chapters before muhammad died now again

00:26:58.540 we're basing this on um so i just want to point this out right like a lot of the um islamic

00:27:05.420 terrorists will try to claim that jihad is just like internal struggle and no jihad is just like

00:27:11.540 an internal personal struggle um no jihad is literally a call for um islamic terrorism it's

00:27:18.920 a call for engaging in a holy war for Allah um and jihad is literally mentioned in the Quran so

00:27:26.760 I'm glad that he's actually bringing um bringing this part up and talking about this part here

00:27:32.620 because a lot of the radical Islamists don't want non-Muslims to know that the Quran itself

00:27:41.660 specifically talks about jihad, which is waging a holy war. And, you know, that's why you see

00:27:50.400 all these Islamic terrorist groups, you know, yelling Allahu Akbar before they 1.00

00:27:56.040 blow themselves up or before they, you know, cut the heads off of infidels. 1.00

00:28:00.640 on the muslim sources there are people who question the muslim sources they say well 1.00

00:28:07.380 we yeah because muslims they're not in not in muslim countries they can't but you'll have

00:28:15.720 muslim academics will tell you yeah these are later traditions they're embellished and not

00:28:20.500 all muslims believe in what they call the hadith now the largest group of muslims identify sunni

00:28:24.660 in fact you had two of them debating when they were here they would be sunni muslims one of them

00:28:29.160 was a salafi so though they are sunni or yeah jake uh what was his name the other guy jake

00:28:36.980 daniel hakikachu and jake rang katala yeah jake i don't know if it's short for jacob now he's a

00:28:43.400 salafi there are differences among them and though they belong and again i'm not saying these

00:28:48.820 differences prove islam is false because we got differences among christians right i mean but

00:28:53.240 fair is fair islam is not monolithic neither is christianity right there are flavors of christianity

00:28:58.660 But point being, the largest group of Muslims would identify as Sunni, but in that Sunni branch, you have people called Salafis.

00:29:06.220 They have a view of Allah that the other Sunnis do not share.

00:29:08.660 We can get into that.

00:29:09.900 So not all Muslims believe in the Hadith.

00:29:13.300 Though it's the largest sect, they would follow what they call the Hadith or the Sunnah.

00:29:17.980 You have Shia.

00:29:18.940 They have their own traditions.

00:29:20.140 In fact, if you come from Iran, it's a Shia majority, right? 1.00

00:29:23.400 so they would not accept 0.99

00:29:26.700 the traditions of Daniel

00:29:28.360 so when they quote Bukhari

00:29:29.940 they reject it, they go we don't follow Bukhari

00:29:31.720 they have their own traditions 1.00

00:29:34.480 and then there are a group of Muslims who only follow 0.56

00:29:36.560 the Quran, they're called Quran only Muslims

00:29:38.620 so just like Christianity 0.99

00:29:40.440 you have a variety, so if I'm dealing with a Muslim 0.86

00:29:42.320 I first ask them what are you 1.00

00:29:43.540 so I can know how to address them

00:29:45.820 I can't address them the same 1.00

00:29:47.060 because you debate Muslims, well I don't accept the Hadith 1.00

00:29:49.420 I don't care what Bukhari says, I don't care what Muslim says 1.00

00:29:52.080 So I have to now stick with the Quran and show them why there are holes in the narrative. 1.00

00:29:56.140 And the point I'm getting at is that in Islamic theology, specifically Sunni, 0.90

00:30:01.500 there are certain attributes, names of Allah, that no creature can ascribe to themselves.

00:30:07.200 Some of the names I just showed you, but Jesus ascribed to himself.

00:30:10.840 So now we've got a problem.

00:30:12.780 In chapter 9 of the Quran, according to the Sunni tradition,

00:30:16.300 this is one of the last chapters Muhammad gave before he died.

00:30:18.920 These are his final marching orders.

00:30:21.320 And in his final marching orders, if you want to look at it, chapter 9,

00:30:24.040 it starts at 28 all the way to 33.

00:30:26.820 This is, again, according to the Sunni narrative. 0.80

00:30:29.460 Now, if you accept the Sunni narrative, then this is one of the last service. 0.74

00:30:32.040 But if you are one of those Muslims who say, 0.64

00:30:34.120 no, these are just later embellishments, 0.99

00:30:36.420 well, then you have a hard time because you can't situate the Quran.

00:30:38.940 How do you know when the Quran was written?

00:30:40.880 It doesn't tell you.

00:30:42.120 It doesn't even give you a chronology. 0.79

00:30:43.440 For example, if you go to Sunni tradition,

00:30:46.160 there are two periods in the compilation of the Quran.

00:30:48.660 There's what's called the Meccan period and the Medinan period, Mecki, Medani.

00:30:54.320 Again, based on the Islamic narrative, for the first 13 years Muhammad preached in Mecca,

00:30:58.920 the tone of those chapters that are attributed to that period, very different.

00:31:03.740 Oh yeah, I know exactly what he's going to say here.

00:31:05.920 So basically these two periods, the first 13 years, you know, it was much more peaceful.

00:31:15.560 And I think, you know, Muhammad was only able to convert, I don't know, like 100 people or something to Islam. And then after the 13 years, they decided to like, he decided to make it more violent, I guess, and focus more on conquest and raiding and whatever. 0.94

00:31:39.460 And then as soon as he did that, that's when more people started converting to Islam. 0.94

00:31:46.980 So those are the two periods. 0.94

00:31:48.860 To you be your religion, to me my religion, because he's outnumbered.

00:31:53.620 He doesn't have control.

00:31:55.180 Yeah, let me go back here.

00:31:57.600 Where was it?

00:31:59.000 There's what's called the Meccan period and the Medinan period, Mecki, Medani.

00:32:04.520 Again, based on the Islamic narrative, for the first 13 years, Muhammad preached in Mecca.

00:32:08.860 The tone of those chapters that are attributed to that period, very different.

00:32:13.820 To you be your religion, to me my religion, because he's outnumbered.

00:32:18.500 He doesn't have control.

00:32:20.680 And if he does try to make an attack, they'll squash him.

00:32:24.400 So when you read those chapters from that period,

00:32:27.700 if we take the traditional Sunday narrative, very tolerant.

00:32:32.280 But let's get along.

00:32:33.560 Okay, hey, you don't believe my religion? That's fine.

00:32:35.900 To you, your religion, to me, my religion.

00:32:37.720 that's like chapter 109 of the Quran

00:32:39.540 says it, you know, to you, your religion, to me, my religion

00:32:41.860 that's what they'll often quote

00:32:43.000 but they quote in the context when they're outnumbered

00:32:45.380 then you have what's called

00:32:47.620 the Medinan period, the period where

00:32:49.740 he now goes to Medina

00:32:50.660 and he becomes head of state, the tone changes

00:32:53.980 it goes from

00:32:56.160 to you, your religion, to me, my religion

00:32:57.600 then you enter Medina, okay now

00:32:59.680 since they oppressed you, you can fight back

00:33:01.800 self-defense

00:33:02.780 then the final stage is chapter 9

00:33:05.860 now he's amassed a large number of soldiers according to the narrative right one of the

00:33:12.320 greatest scholars in my opinion questioning the narrative you had him he debated robert spencer

00:33:17.320 if you want what i consider to be one of the most knowledgeable christians on the historical

00:33:24.200 muhammad as well as political islam you won't get any better than robert spencer

00:33:28.360 so if you ever wanted to um if you guys don't follow robert spencer on x you definitely need

00:33:36.900 to to do that let me find um his profile for you this guy is like he calls it out for what it is

00:33:45.320 and um once in a while he'll like retweet one of my posts or he'll like put a comment under one of

00:33:52.260 my posts and he's always been like yeah i agree with her like she knows what she's talking about

00:33:57.320 Um, so yeah, let me find Robert Spencer's profile here. Let me search it up here.

00:34:08.420 And what I'll do is I'll find some videos by Robert Spencer because Robert Spencer,

00:34:14.020 he focuses more, um, on the like Islamic terrorism side of things. So here's his profile on X. If

00:34:22.680 you don't follow him. Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, 32 books, the history of jihad, the critical

00:34:30.480 Quran, Muhammad, a critical biography, the Palestinian delusion, holy hell. And he's got a 0.56

00:34:37.240 website called jihadwatch.org. So you definitely want to make sure that you're following him.

00:34:44.360 And I'm going to make sure to find some videos or interviews with him, because, you know, his focus

00:34:52.320 is going to be more on the political um side of things right interesting because he's got a he's

00:35:01.360 got a lot he gets a lot of hate and he's got a lot of uh controversy behind him i mean when i

00:35:06.480 announced that i'm bringing him they were i mean let's be honest anyone who speaks out against

00:35:11.760 islamic radicalism and terrorism has controversy i'm technically a controversial figure as well

00:35:18.320 so i mean that's that's nothing new at this point curious about bringing robert robert spencer yeah

00:35:23.600 he's my estimation you know how people say this guy's the best and that's an ego thing may god

00:35:29.120 crush our pride but my estimation i don't think there's someone more knowledgeable in political

00:35:35.120 islam and historical muhammad than robert spencer from a christian perspective interesting he would

00:35:40.480 be part of your if you ever get an a-team he'd be part of it now i mention him only because

00:35:44.560 he would question these sources but if you're a sunni because now my audience is now the sunni

00:35:49.700 muslim like whoever it is if it's daniel according to the tradition chapter nine one of the final

00:35:55.360 marching orders he's amassed a large number of soldiers now he's telling them go and expand islam 0.56

00:36:00.240 it's no longer defend yourself it's now go and expand islam politically economically socially

00:36:05.760 that's the context of chapter 9 28 to 33 but now notice

00:36:09.720 muhammad has to give them a pretext to attack okay why are we attacking these people

00:36:14.560 going to see it doesn't say because they threatened you this is the sorry someone said it's not roger

00:36:20.640 spencer um robert spencer here here is here's his profile again um so just look robert spencer

00:36:31.200 his x hashtag is jihad watch rs so there you go that's where you can find uh robert spencer

00:36:40.160 the islamic narrative it's because they believe differently from you writer black and white you're

00:36:47.860 going to see it so they don't think i'm lying and if they want to get the commentators ibn kathir

00:36:51.080 we're going to have a field day brother they can't tell me it doesn't mean this wait wait

00:36:55.420 what did ibn kathir or qurtubi say right but here chapter 9 28 to 33 we're going to read it oh you

00:37:00.380 will believe now this translation says polytheist but the term mushrikun mushrikeen it's much more

00:37:07.600 broad than simply a polytheist the term comes from shirk what is shirk according to the quran

00:37:13.920 shirk is the one sin allah will never forgive but what is that when you claim there are multiple

00:37:20.000 divinities or allah shares his glory or attributes or sovereignty with a creature or god as a son 0.97

00:37:27.040 you fall under that category so according to islam all of you are shirkers you're a mushrik 0.86

00:37:33.760 whether you like or not why because if they ask you do you believe jesus is god's son 0.94

00:37:37.360 mushrik you believe jesus god's son mushrik you believe he's lord

00:37:41.520 mushrik now the crown says to fight you and to the victor goes the spoils or you pay what's

00:37:48.720 called jizya we're going to get there so all you believe or have believed indeed the polytheists

00:37:55.440 are unclean so let them not approach a masjid now without the traditions you have no idea where this

00:38:02.640 is it's a tradition that tells you this is the kaaba in mecca but if you just went with this

00:38:08.640 you'll have no idea where this is what the heck is masjid but this this means mecca the kaaba

00:38:16.780 don't let them approach after this their final year what year see without the islamic narrative

00:38:23.100 you don't even know what year this is this is two years before the death of muhammad right 0.86

00:38:28.560 But I can't tell. 0.97

00:38:29.680 I mean, what year, buddy?

00:38:30.920 It doesn't tell me.

00:38:31.900 And if you fear poverty, now why is it saying fear poverty?

00:38:35.120 The Islamic narrative says that they would make pilgrimages,

00:38:38.840 to this day the Muslims do it, to circumambulate the Kaaba seven times,

00:38:43.700 run between the two hills, safan marwa seven times, 0.97

00:38:46.000 throw seven stones at Satan, which they claim was instituted by Abraham,

00:38:49.620 but there's no evidence for that.

00:38:51.160 These were pagan practices.

00:38:52.060 So when the people would come, they'd barter. 0.80

00:38:54.140 They would sell.

00:38:54.880 They would trade.

00:38:55.920 So it's saying, well, if you fear by banishing them,

00:38:58.740 if you fear by banishing them, you're going to lose money.

00:39:01.140 Don't worry.

00:39:03.440 Allah will enrich you from his bounty if he wills.

00:39:06.240 Well, it's if he wills. 0.72

00:39:07.740 We say inshallah, but here it's, you know, if he wills.

00:39:10.380 Now, how will he enrich you?

00:39:11.740 This is the question I want you to see. 1.00

00:39:14.040 By having you fight the infidels and taking jizya from them. 1.00

00:39:18.400 That's verse 29. 1.00

00:39:19.700 It says it right there.

00:39:20.980 Fight those who do not believe in Allah.

00:39:23.240 Does it say fight those who threaten you? 0.72

00:39:24.720 fight those who attacked you fight those who want to take your land no no fight those who do not 0.99

00:39:30.080 believe in Allah or in the last day well I don't believe in the Allah of Islam now I know people 0.90

00:39:35.140 say well it's just the name that's not my debate I have no problem using the term Allah the Allah

00:39:41.080 of the Quran is not the God of the Bible so different gods absolutely okay but now you have

00:39:46.880 to qualify that do you think the average Muslim even knows the differences probably not absolutely

00:39:52.500 not they don't they're told that this god is a god of abraham they're told jesus is a mighty

00:39:57.380 messenger so you have to distinguish between what the sources say and the person because if i

00:40:01.060 interview an average christian how many of them know what the trinity is i mean the one thing that

00:40:06.420 i can say is that um iranians and occupied iran are very familiar with the quran because they

00:40:16.020 are forced to study it, regardless of whether or not they're Muslim, because Iran is occupied by

00:40:26.720 an Islamic dictatorship. And so the one thing that's happened, you know, the only thing that 0.72

00:40:34.220 the Islamic Republic has accomplished in the last 47 years is turning off the vast majority of 0.86

00:40:42.500 Iranians from Islam. So prior to 1979, a lot of Iranians were, you know, like secular Muslims,

00:40:50.500 and, you know, they just, you know, lived their normal lives, and was very Western and progressive.

00:40:56.860 And, you know, you know, they said they were Muslim, but never really, you know, really read

00:41:02.200 the Quran or anything. But since the Islamic dictatorship took over, and they basically 0.76

00:41:08.320 forced everyone to study and read the Quran. Yeah, I would say like right now, probably less than, 0.91

00:41:23.040 I would say at most, maybe 20% of Iranians are actually identifying as Muslim. And a lot of

00:41:31.040 that has to do with the fact that Iranians were forced to study the Quran, and they just 0.99

00:41:38.080 didn't like what it had to say and you know that's on top of of course um living in in islamic

00:41:44.560 dictatorship and being governed by um sharia law how many know that jesus is the god man that you

00:41:53.280 must believe he's got a man if i ask christians is jesus a man in heaven or a spirit i've done

00:41:57.760 that they'll say he's a spirit no he's not the bible says he's a glorified man in heaven with a

00:42:01.920 glorified physical body of flesh and he's going to come back in the flesh so how many christians

00:42:06.720 know that they're supposed to believe that you'd be surprised ask christian say hey i understand

00:42:11.120 yeah so here if you don't have the same idea of allah they do that's pretext to fight you and

00:42:17.120 sam not to go when you say fight is that fight to kill no it's uh ufc okay i want i want to make

00:42:23.360 that clear that you're saying fight fight should be they're trying to kill you ufc championship 0.57

00:42:28.320 belt what's wrong with you okay my bad so we're taking a syrian in you bro yeah okay 0.58

00:42:32.000 please continue

00:42:33.400 and the last day now

00:42:35.380 real quickly let me describe Islamic last day

00:42:37.580 because I want to show the audience who don't know Islam 0.98

00:42:39.380 how graphic this is

00:42:40.360 the last day in Islam means if you pass the test 1.00

00:42:43.600 you will enter Jannah 1.00

00:42:45.120 you'll enter paradise

00:42:46.160 you have maidens of pleasure 1.00

00:42:49.380 I can give you even a reference 1.00

00:42:52.680 very graphic

00:42:53.260 chapter 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10 0.94

00:42:54.460 it says that they have swelling breasts 1.00

00:42:56.380 breasts that don't sag

00:42:58.500 and the Quran says

00:43:00.540 you'll spend all eternity deflowering them but you won't harm them and they'll return when i say 0.99

00:43:06.300 kran kran says you will have sex with them but the hadith go graphic you will be deflowering them 0.99

00:43:12.140 but you won't hurt them they'll return virgin again so this is the pleasures of paradise and 0.99

00:43:15.820 you're going to have wine and you're going to have milk and you're going to have you know meat and

00:43:20.300 young bull basically um oh my gosh i think he was about to say young boys that's insane basically

00:43:27.820 everything that is banned right now is like permissible and and provided um in heaven but

00:43:38.300 yeah like it is kind of messed up that um they talk about you know in in the Quran it talks

00:43:48.600 about having sex with virgins and the virgins never lose their virginity it's just it's very 0.67

00:43:54.580 very weird i'm not gonna lie i said kran kran says you will have sex with them but the hadith 0.98

00:44:00.580 go graphic you will be deflowering them but you won't hurt them they'll return virgin again so 0.99

00:44:05.700 this is the pleasures of paradise and you're gonna have wine and you're gonna have milk and you're 0.99

00:44:09.780 gonna by the way this is just for the men um muslim women don't get 72 virgin men muslim women 0.98

00:44:17.700 just continue being the wives of their husbands in in heaven along with the 72 other virgins 0.92

00:44:24.260 yeah you're gonna have you know meat and young boys serving you youths of perpetual freshness

00:44:30.500 now why the hell do i need a young boy in paradise to serve me well things to make you go but that's

00:44:36.580 the last day oh you brought it up huh see full-breasted companions of equal age yeah so

00:44:42.580 that means you don't need um breast implants in paradise it's you're good free of charge yeah

00:44:48.020 perfect it's impressive you see why they they love us don't you yeah that's impressive when we come

00:44:52.420 here uh we're in go back to 30 up to 30. so now why should you fight them i'm sorry 29 fight those

00:45:00.580 who do not believe in allah or in the last day who do not consider unlawful what all in his

00:45:04.580 messenger have made unlawful so if you don't accept muhammad's restrictions like don't eat

00:45:09.060 pig meat rounds to fight you am i making it up it's right there why do you fight them who do not 0.76

00:45:15.780 consider unlawful what allah and his messenger have made unlawful so what you do not forbid that 0.98

00:45:22.020 and Muhammad is forbidden, you are now 0.97

00:45:23.820 an enemy and need to 0.98

00:45:25.860 be brought into submission. And who do not

00:45:27.780 adopt the religion of truth. Now guess what

00:45:30.000 that religion is? Buddhism?

00:45:32.820 It's Islam.

00:45:34.060 So if you do not accept Islam,

00:45:36.640 what must they do? Fight 1.00

00:45:37.920 you? Even those who are given 0.99

00:45:39.880 the scripture, meaning even if they're Jews and Christians.

00:45:42.400 Many people may not know this, but

00:45:43.720 those who are in the field will know. One of the titles

00:45:45.980 given to Jews and Christians is Ahl al-Kitab.

00:45:48.660 The people of the book. Why? 0.86

00:45:50.140 Because the Quran assumes the same 0.62

00:45:51.880 god that gave the koran gave the scriptures to the jews and christians because it says he's the god 0.80

00:45:56.440 of abraham right and it says this is a religion of abraham so so part of the reason that you're

00:46:01.560 seeing a lot of these radical islamists who immigrate to western countries and then um

00:46:11.320 they want to like bring sharia law with them and impose um like islamic doctrine and they 0.85

00:46:19.240 get offended when others you know don't follow sharia law is basically because of this like they

00:46:26.600 they have this ingrained belief that it is their religious duty to promote sharia law

00:46:35.000 and convert everyone to like islam like i'm speaking about the radicals right so even if 0.69

00:46:40.920 you're a jew christian but you deny muhammad or allah said to the muslims fight them until they 0.71

00:46:48.040 pay jizya why willingly while they are humbled as a sign of your humiliation that's how allah 0.85

00:46:54.360 will enrich you thank the lord there's really no islamic state that enforces this praise the 0.62

00:47:01.240 lord jesus christ right um that's actually not true um you have the islamic republic occupying

00:47:09.480 Iran, which enforces this. You also have Qatar that enforces this by spreading their jihadi 0.98

00:47:19.160 ideology. And actually, we spoke about this yesterday, if you were watching my live streams 0.99

00:47:25.500 about Qatar, I did a whole live stream about how Qatar is promoting their Islamist ideology

00:47:34.640 in the West through universities and through paying journalists and lobbyists and pundits

00:47:43.480 as well. So I don't agree with what he's saying here. There are certainly states that enforce

00:47:50.520 this 100%. Right. I mean, if you ask me, is there an Islamic state? No, there isn't.

00:47:55.400 What do you mean there's no Islamic state? The Islamic Republic occupying Iran.

00:48:01.280 oh my gosh this is okay i don't agree with this part here countries more islamic than others yes 0.97

00:48:08.560 but there is no truly islamic state right that implements what the kron and the sharia puts

00:48:14.500 but you understand uh the islamic republic occupying iran literally implements like you

00:48:22.740 want you want Sharia law. That's the the Islamic Republic occupying Iran. So that's a pretty

00:48:32.620 ignorant take. But again, we have to remember at the beginning of the podcast, he did say that he 0.91

00:48:42.640 has, you know, he grew up in Chicago from the age of two. And he himself admitted he does not know

00:48:52.320 a lot about the Middle East. So while he may be well versed in religious doctrine, and he might

00:49:02.380 be well versed in, you know, debating religion and all that stuff. It's pretty obvious that when

00:49:11.160 it comes to the Middle East and Middle Eastern politics, he does not know a lot about that. And,

00:49:19.040 know he he admitted that so um i mean i i can't agree or disagree with what he's saying about

00:49:28.640 religion because again like i'm not a theologist i just you know i know what i know based on um

00:49:34.640 geopolitics and islamic terrorism and you know my experience with the islamic republic occupying

00:49:40.320 iran um but his statement right now that that there are no islamic states it's not true at all

00:49:46.880 there are numerous islamic states and this is how islam expanded go find people where they're at

00:49:53.920 invite them to islam and if they accept they're safe if not take the jizya from them and if not 0.95

00:49:59.120 kill them and to the victor goes the spoils another thing that's related to christ why then 0.99

00:50:04.560 should you fight jews and christians verse 30 the jews say ezra is the son of allah but it's not 1.00

00:50:10.400 Ezra, it's Uzair. They tell you 0.78

00:50:12.520 it's Ezra. But with that said,

00:50:14.620 there's not any shred

00:50:16.500 of historical evidence that the Jews

00:50:18.460 ever worshipped Ezra as the unique son

00:50:20.400 of God. It doesn't exist.

00:50:22.480 So where does this come from? Well, the Muslims 1.00

00:50:24.340 say, well, there was a particular group at a particular

00:50:26.560 time. But those are the Muslim sources.

00:50:28.840 If you ask them, can you give me

00:50:30.520 any pre-Islamic

00:50:32.920 or sources besides

00:50:34.640 Islam that there were Jews who worshipped

00:50:36.680 Ezra or whoever? No, they can't find it.

00:50:39.180 But now watch. 0.98

00:50:40.100 The Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah. 0.89

00:50:42.240 And the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah. 0.98

00:50:44.180 Now, there they got us. 0.92

00:50:45.720 If I ask you guys, do you believe Messiah is the son of Allah?

00:50:49.280 Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?

00:50:50.840 Yes. 0.98

00:50:51.560 It says, for that reason, they must fight you.

00:50:54.400 It's right there. 0.63

00:50:56.000 The son of Mary.

00:50:56.720 And they were not committed.

00:50:58.260 I'm sorry, you skipped to 31.

00:50:59.640 That is what they say with their mouths.

00:51:01.320 See, that's something you just say for them.

00:51:02.720 You made it up.

00:51:04.420 Imitating the sayings of those who disbelieved before. 0.99

00:51:06.620 May Allah destroy them. 0.99

00:51:09.480 How do you think Allah's going to destroy you? 0.92

00:51:10.540 He's going to come down on a horse?

00:51:12.700 Who do you think he's going to use to destroy you? 0.98

00:51:14.680 The jihadis.

00:51:17.060 Am I making ups right there?

00:51:18.460 Nope.

00:51:19.400 This is the context of jihad. 0.99

00:51:21.980 This is what Islam, this is Muhammad's final marching orders. 0.99

00:51:25.100 Whether you like it or not, if they become predominant majority, 1.00

00:51:28.480 and if they're zealous, now thank God most Muslims are not, 1.00

00:51:31.400 they have to do this. 1.00

00:51:32.340 Sam, how many times have you read the Quran?

00:51:34.920 I don't know, really.

00:51:36.220 Maybe once or twice, I don't know.

00:51:38.280 No, stop it.

00:51:39.080 No, I'm serious.

00:51:39.520 I don't.

00:51:41.260 Literally, you've read it maybe once or twice?

00:51:42.920 Yeah.

00:51:43.300 How do you remember everything?

00:51:45.140 As I was trying, I said, I think we said off there, in the 90s, I realized, honestly,

00:51:49.960 when I would have a conversation, verses would pop in my head.

00:51:52.820 So it's not I trained for it, and I don't want people to be impressed by it.

00:51:56.100 Right?

00:51:56.360 No.

00:51:57.280 No.

00:51:58.560 Knowledge puffs up.

00:51:59.740 Love builds up.

00:52:00.240 I got a lot of shoes that I pray God will show me mercy on the day of judgment.

00:52:03.320 But I just realized maybe it's God's way of gifting me.

00:52:06.580 How many times have you read the Bible?

00:52:08.960 if i go back i probably read it two or three times two or three times i don't really read

00:52:13.920 it all the way through like now it's not just like you know i'll go through it you know maybe

00:52:18.720 read a psalm here or there or if i'm researching yeah it's it's i i guess like when they drop

00:52:23.680 really i was dropped as a child when i was one in my head so maybe i triggered something i don't

00:52:27.520 know maybe that's how god does it right are you are you a massive because when when i sat down

00:52:31.840 with charlie kirk and and we would talk to him off camera he would say he studies three hours

00:52:37.680 every day no matter what he reads and studies three hours every day yeah do you have a ritual

00:52:42.560 of studying a lot every day do you read a lot every day not that way what i do is i'm always on

00:52:47.040 my blog writing posts for people if not doing live streams so i'm not studying i'm writing to

00:52:53.760 equip people with articles so they can use it in battle because i want to equip people so because

00:52:59.520 look but that's basically like studying right because if you're writing articles you're doing

00:53:05.120 research you're going back you're figuring things out you're thinking about it so i mean that in

00:53:10.640 and of itself is a form of of studying if the lord carries i'm going to die so at six and a half

00:53:18.240 this nine-year-old comes to you at that time at that time what's your relationship with your dad

00:53:23.200 at six and a half my dad walked uh walked away when i was probably seven shortly right after that

00:53:28.960 so it's right around that time that this is happening to you got it okay so that had a

00:53:32.880 massive impact on you because huge so so is that is that a moment for you where your biological

00:53:39.920 father walked out but your you know spiritual father's going to be with you forever did you

00:53:44.080 did that give you that peace as a young man raymond was young boy yeah raymond is pretty much

00:53:48.320 my dad even though he was nine and his grandmother my mother was a wonderful woman she left a wonderful

00:53:54.880 legacy but she wasn't educated in scripture so but his grandmother was my spiritual mother

00:53:59.280 raymond's raymond's yeah because his mother died when he was young so his maternal grandmother

00:54:04.320 raised him and his brother how much time did you spend with her i think from six and a half to ten

00:54:10.240 how often like every day every day we'd go i'd hang out with him every day we'd go to the house

00:54:13.920 she would teach us prayers she would or he would she would she in fact because of her impact i

00:54:19.120 still remember now i know it's part of the liturgy of the assyrian church but i didn't know that back

00:54:24.400 and she would teach she taught me this and it's for some reason those prayers but she taught me

00:54:32.000 that she also taught me the ave maria but in a different way from where you know like uh

00:54:37.680 bucelli says it she taught it this way now guys i'm not a singer and i'm not going to give up my

00:54:42.080 day job but so she taught it this way so i remember that for some reason it stayed in my mind right

00:54:51.760 she was a wonderful six and a half years old was raymond's grandmother friends with your mother

00:54:57.440 no they didn't know each other no they were they were in the neighborhood so you know you know how

00:55:02.480 you meet people high and by you know but yeah it wasn't like you know oh we're cousin no just he

00:55:08.720 was taught to go soul winning so when he won me he took me to his grandmother and she teaches

00:55:13.760 prayers and what what was the denomination she was catholic his uncle on his mother's side became

00:55:21.120 baptist so later on at 18 years old when that's a security guard the guy you're working with at

00:55:26.640 the valley at this bubs city city yeah when you work there and he introduced you to the nation

00:55:34.160 of islam and you know uh farrakhan and all these guys uh at that time would you say oh my gosh louis 0.57

00:55:41.200 farrakhan is a terrible person um he supported the islamic republic occupying iran and i think at one

00:55:49.920 point he even went to occupied iran and you know even though the guys um like an american he was 0.77

00:55:58.080 in occupied iran and he was like you know yelling death to america death to israel um in farsi which 0.80

00:56:06.640 is such a disgrace right so yeah this whole like nation of islam i don't know man it's like super 0.95

00:56:13.600 super sketchy louis farrakhan um big grifter and he was a big supporter of islamic terrorists um 0.99

00:56:23.680 i'm kind of glad he's dead now i think i think he's dead i'm glad he's dead i hope he's rotting 0.99

00:56:27.680 in hell a pre-meeting kim you'd consider yourself a christian or your last teenager kind of going 0.98

00:56:33.440 through yeah i was i had pretty much turned my back when you left at 10 years old it was about 0.52

00:56:38.960 13 13 when he 10 he relook but yeah it was i think he was 10 he moved and i started slipping

00:56:44.000 but around 13 i was just gone yeah so 13 to 18 there's nothing no no church no mentor no father

00:56:50.480 figure no nothing yeah did you go to college are you a good student in school what are you doing

00:56:54.720 in school uh i was such a good student i got that on out of high school third year yeah in high

00:57:01.120 school yeah and this is chicago yep then i got a gd and never been to college never been to

00:57:05.680 saint mary never been to university what was your you know what what class came easy to you are you

00:57:11.920 a math guy are you an english guy you history guy are you i i liked history but not in school i just

00:57:16.720 hated being in school because of my body dysmorphia and low self-esteem i couldn't be around crowds

00:57:21.360 were you in gangs were you a troublemaker were you i was with the gangs but i wasn't the tough guy i 0.82

00:57:26.160 mean yeah i hung out with like the assyrian kings you know in chicago yeah okay syrian kings yeah

00:57:32.720 so 18 years old you meet this guy did you ever convert and become a muslim or no in my heart i 0.95

00:57:39.440 believe muhammad was a prophet but it's not good enough because if you go with sunni islamic

00:57:44.000 tradition you have to take the shahada in front of at least two witnesses but the guy who was

00:57:48.960 talking about islam he didn't take me to a mosque he just was talking and then i started my curiosity

00:57:53.680 is such that when i get into something i have to study it so if i backtrack like when i like

00:57:58.400 bruce lee i add up every book on bruce lee and i would devour hours into bruce lee i had to know

00:58:04.240 this guy inside and out when it came to bodybuilding i would devour every bodybuilding

00:58:08.400 magazine and there was arnold schwarzenegger's encyclopedia you know something about me when

00:58:14.080 i'm into something i eat it up and nothing else matters it's like i'm just focused on this the

00:58:19.840 world can go to hell i mean god forbid but you know i'm not i'm and so whatever i focus on

00:58:25.600 becomes the entire center of my life everything i do revolves around that so during this time 0.51

00:58:34.260 i'm thinking i'm really i've deceived myself i'm gonna make it to hollywood the lord had a sense

00:58:38.520 of your 18 when i was bodybuilding my goal was that i'm going to get into hollywood like these

00:58:45.280 guys that bruce lee did martial arts i'm going to do it somehow i'm going to do it somehow so are

00:58:49.180 you watching jean-claude van damme are you watching all these movies are you watching i would watch

00:58:52.600 but they never compared to bruce i would watch bruce lee you know who's a big bruce lee guy

00:58:56.280 dana white yes you go to his gym in his office bruce lee quotes everywhere he's all right when

00:59:02.360 you walk into his office there's a bruce lee quote on the wall in his office like uh dana's a bruce

00:59:08.520 lee fanatic so he does think he's a real dude he's not a fake huh no no no no he's based on the way

00:59:14.040 i had when i was with him it was a lot of respect for him his quotes are all over his gym everywhere

00:59:19.000 uh as you could okay so 18 years old now is he discipling you is this guy did he bring you

00:59:25.960 anywhere did you meet somebody did someone did you meet any of the big names nope on the nation

00:59:30.360 of islam nothing it's all independent identity i just went searching went to bookstores and

00:59:34.840 18 years old there's no internet there is internet but there's not the google and all

00:59:38.520 that stuff because you you know your age where you're at i don't remember using internet that

00:59:42.520 time either it was more the aol chat or whatever yeah the slow one yeah that's right zero and

00:59:49.160 yeah the dial-up internet does anyone remember did anyone ever have those um like aol

00:59:57.240 compact discs or floppy disks and um you would put in a code and you would get like i don't know

01:00:03.960 10 hours of free dial-up a month or something um and then like they would hand those out so much

01:00:11.400 i remember i had like so many of those and that's what i used for the longest time

01:00:16.680 to go on the internet with those like those aol discs

01:00:24.200 oh my gosh yeah the dial-up internet back in the day geez you know what the stuff that we went

01:00:31.800 through um and like young people these days have no idea oh yeah netscape um guys napster

01:00:41.320 do you remember napster and then lime wire um guys icq come on the ogs the ogs like we used icq

01:00:51.560 before um aol messenger oh my gosh so random all right i just i had to put that in there because

01:01:02.260 this kind of uh this brought me back a little bit and all of that yeah yeah so okay so at this time

01:01:08.080 you're going through it and then you read the quran and you go through your phase what are you

01:01:12.600 doing occupation wise what are you doing to make money so just a comment here um yeah gandalf um

01:01:19.240 when the cell phones came the speakers like the speakers could tell when your cell phone was going

01:01:26.520 to to ring because you would hear like that staticky noise and then you know someone was like

01:01:32.460 oh yeah the icq oh i remember that money at that time i was working security and sometimes i'd work

01:01:41.840 as a tow truck guy just uh by time to get into i'm serious i was really i really thought i was

01:01:47.720 delusional all right but how did i find uh how did i research i just go to bookstore there was

01:01:52.500 a muslim bookstore in chicago north side divan there's actually two one of them is still there

01:01:58.960 if the people are watching they'll know what i'm talking about it's by divan california it's called

01:02:02.100 but in the 90s it was not at that same spot so i'd go buy muslim books and i'd go now we still

01:02:08.980 have barnes and ovals but at that time we also had borders you guys remember borders yeah i love

01:02:14.500 borders more than barnes and novels but i don't know man it's just i don't know i just liked it

01:02:19.260 i uh maybe the colors who knows but i would go there and try to get books and then muslim books

01:02:24.820 for bookstores obviously but what really did it for me is i would buy vhs tape debates

01:02:32.100 we're living in a time of the vcr vhs i know some people say what is that right i think it's like

01:02:38.320 the way of the dodo bird beta max and you know we had vhs so they would sell muslim christian

01:02:44.900 debates now all those debates are online on youtube but that time we didn't have youtube

01:02:49.680 so i bought them and and i'll tell you how i got into apologetics because that was that's wild

01:02:55.520 imagine he would buy vhs tapes of like muslim debates of course everything is available on

01:03:05.180 YouTube now, like he said, but that's just crazy. Like I never, I never thought about that, but

01:03:09.920 yeah, I guess, you know, we all just sort of forget how, how blessed we are to live in

01:03:19.260 an age right now where information is readily available to us right at our fingertips, right?

01:03:27.540 But wow, like back in the nineties, he would go out and buy VHS tapes. That's some,

01:03:33.660 that's some dedication right there that was because of some muslim guy who challenged me but

01:03:39.340 when i watched the debates i'm designed in a weird way i learned more from attacks on the faith than

01:03:46.680 i learned from defending the faith because it forces me to think so i was watching the muslim 1.00

01:03:51.440 slaughtering the christians and it got me to think how do i answer this guy so that put a fire in me 0.99

01:03:56.800 to find answers now i was never discipled i didn't have a pastor i didn't have a priest i didn't i

01:04:01.720 had to just rely on god's spirit to guide me to the right sources find the right let's say authors

01:04:07.560 or listen to the right christians but when it came to christian muslim debates the christians

01:04:11.640 were getting slaughtered i cannot tell you of any christian that i think won a debate decisively in 0.76

01:04:18.920 the 90s there were some close but for some reason the muslims were slaughtering the christians what 0.59

01:04:24.600 was their angle what angle did they take that christians didn't have a way to defend themselves 1.00

01:04:28.600 Even when it came to Christian topics, the Christians were doing bad.

01:04:31.620 Like, is the Bible God's Word? 1.00

01:04:33.620 You would have scholars.

01:04:34.760 In fact, it's on YouTube.

01:04:35.680 The late Dr. Gleason L. Archer, who was Professor Emeritus of, now it's closed.

01:04:42.220 But in Deerfield, Illinois, you had Trinity Evangelical Divinity Seminary. 0.64

01:04:47.640 This man was a beast. 0.99

01:04:49.320 He's gone with the Lord. 0.97

01:04:52.280 He would read and write 25 languages.

01:04:56.000 He's amazing. 1.00

01:04:56.840 but when it came to debate he was getting slaughtered and by neophyte muslims who 1.00

01:05:02.020 don't know biblical languages and on topics you think it would be easy for him he was just getting 0.92

01:05:06.140 slaughtered you'll find on youtube leeson archer muslim debates disappointing trinity getting 0.60

01:05:11.300 slaughtered topics that we should win it's one thing when you're debating a muslim topic you're 0.96

01:05:15.760 not familiar with and you know you have the advantage you're a muslim but when it comes to 1.00

01:05:19.480 your own topics and you are and he is brilliant but he's not a debater so you'll see some of the

01:05:24.340 debates right there. Gleason Archer versus Jamal Baravi, the authenticity of the Quran.

01:05:28.300 I mean, it was heartbreaking because I'm not a scholar. I'm just a, you know, teenager. And

01:05:34.480 these scholars, you know, is there a response? So to tell you how I got into this, so see how God

01:05:40.960 works. When I finally did embrace Christ and realized that Muhammad was deceived and antichrist, 0.96

01:05:47.180 1 John 2, 22, 23, I had a friend who used to teach me out of box because I used to teach him 0.99

01:05:53.160 on a body boat. I don't want to mention his name.

01:05:55.120 I don't know what happened to him since.

01:05:57.140 And I don't want to get him in trouble.

01:05:58.840 I don't know if he's still in the faith, but

01:06:00.780 he was from a Bosnian background.

01:06:03.020 His father was a boxing coach.

01:06:05.160 And so he would teach me boxing.

01:06:07.180 I would teach him how to lift weights.

01:06:08.540 Because remember, I'm going to get into Hollywood, brother.

01:06:11.140 As I started

01:06:14.960 talking to him about Christianity, he started

01:06:17.000 getting interested. Now, remember, he's

01:06:18.880 Muslim background.

01:06:20.780 Bosnian Muslim background. Interesting.

01:06:23.160 so he started not going to the jimma prayers friday prayers and his community college right

01:06:31.120 college so the muslims started noticing so they asked him what's going on he goes well you know

01:06:35.720 i'm starting to get into christianity who's the guy who's been influencing you well i'm a neophyte

01:06:41.460 i'm green i don't know much about i'm just learning so i met a couple of his friends

01:06:45.060 they brought in a big gun i don't want to mention his i don't want to give him publicity

01:06:49.080 you know it's from chicago he was a real estate guy from south is it south asia we'll leave it

01:06:54.980 at that he walked in the church that i was in was a korean church he had like a folder you know

01:07:00.280 binder i don't know what they call it but you know we don't have it anymore but he came in

01:07:04.600 he opened it up you know where they have those rings paper yeah it was ready man he had a combat

01:07:11.000 kit it's called the con later on i realized they call it the combat kit in fact that was made

01:07:15.420 famous by another muslim debater named ahmad didat ahmad didat who since deceased in 2005

01:07:21.740 he became famous when i mean i kind of have one of those two like here's my

01:07:28.380 folder it's even got a zipper guys it's got a zipper

01:07:33.840 with this and then i got like i got paper in it and like rings and stuff so

01:07:44.460 i guess i guess i have my own comeback kit too there you go

01:07:51.380 it's when he debated jimmy swagger as the bible god's word and from the muslim perspective

01:07:59.520 swagger got destroyed that made him international he's from south africa if you look at it from a 0.56

01:08:05.680 logical perspective he didn't win but debates are not one on substance it's one on rhetoric

01:08:13.320 personality and flesh and he's very charismatic he's another guy carriage it's so true debates

01:08:19.420 are not one on facts they're one on like he said personality um charisma and it's the same thing

01:08:28.200 Same thing with politics as well. That's why a lot of politicians, you know, very charismatic,

01:08:35.420 but they're completely brain dead. And that's why, you know, a lot of the political debates

01:08:42.580 are very frustrating because you just have a bunch of low IQ people. And, you know,

01:08:48.460 as someone who was in politics for 10 years, I can say with 100% certainty that 95% of 1.00

01:08:58.180 of the people who are in politics are brain dead idiots and they basically just fail upward because 1.00

01:09:04.680 they rely on their charisma more so than than on their substance or on their integrity or you know 1.00

01:09:12.440 doing or saying the right thing they care more about votes and so they'll say and do anything

01:09:18.080 um to get people's votes jimmy swagger did but he won if you look at just the facts swaggered won

01:09:26.040 but the rhetoric and the confidence of didat he was a very huge fellow right just impressed and

01:09:31.980 bedazzled the muslims he was the biggest muslim debater at that time the second biggest is jamal

01:09:37.200 bari who debated gleason archer but coming back to this guy you'll find it here didat ahmed didat

01:09:42.440 jimmy swagger see these are some of the historic debates that are setting the ground for future

01:09:49.620 apologists some of the debates hey guys vincent olshana here i recently released a new shirt

01:09:55.300 from my faith baseline faith over fear oh my gosh what is this like some random commercial now

01:10:01.960 in the middle of the okay let's go back to the podcast here that was random

01:10:10.680 okay oh no nothing i have no idea brother i'm just i just came into faith give me a break no

01:10:17.980 he came this is one other reason people say why are you so aggressive you know you're very like

01:10:23.820 sometimes you can be very nasty and because i think what he did to me impacted me because he

01:10:30.840 was very nasty to me and he bullied me and there's something about me that triggers me when i feel i'm

01:10:36.520 bullied right that's it yep ahmadida yeah so when you feel you're bullied uh yeah i i've been bullied

01:10:44.360 but sometimes i've been the bully because to my shame but when i get challenged something kicks

01:10:49.680 sin it's not like i want to be this way and i go into like i got to take you out now i'm not a

01:10:55.640 fighter physically so how do i do it i do it verbally because the way he approached me now

01:10:59.980 how do you approach me maybe in a nice manner things may have been different he was nasty

01:11:04.680 showed me no compassion wanted to humiliate me and he did is this recorded no he did he humiliated

01:11:12.160 me i had no idea about the bible because he would give me verses and then the trinity well

01:11:15.780 how can jeez be god and i was destroyed disgraced and i was discouraged how old you at the time

01:11:23.660 i was close to i think i was already in my 20s it's in the 90s and my buddy was there almost

01:11:30.140 gave his name see this is why i tend to avoid um you know debates when it comes to religion

01:11:38.100 because ultimately people are going to have their own religious belief. And I respect freedom of

01:11:47.960 religion. I mean, I might not agree with someone's religion, but, you know, to each their own. I mean,

01:11:53.840 you believe whatever you want to believe. My issue is when someone starts using their religion 1.00

01:12:02.780 to justify oppressing others. That's where I take issue with it, right? And so that's where

01:12:13.680 my focus on Islamic terrorism comes in, where you have these Islamic radicals who are going around 0.96

01:12:23.460 murdering infidels in the name of Allah, and then because they believe that their religion

01:12:28.400 tells them to do so um so yeah like this is why like i never really watch religious debates or 1.00

01:12:37.120 things like that because you can have two people and they can just argue ad nauseam and no one

01:12:43.360 ever really feels like they win because ultimately like your your religion is is based on your

01:12:50.400 belief and so you're gonna you know you're gonna believe that one thing no matter what

01:12:55.440 um my focus is more on the practical side but you know again a lot of you wanted to you know

01:13:06.000 see something a little bit more focused on on the religion side of things so that's why i'm

01:13:13.520 i'm playing uh this podcast by patrick bet david but um yeah i mean it's it's very interesting

01:13:20.980 it's really interesting but like when he's talking about how like you know he would have

01:13:25.540 all these religious debates and he felt bullied i'm like i'm thinking like why would you even

01:13:30.040 debate anyway i mean you know it's it's not like a scientific debate where there's you know one

01:13:37.720 answer or not and i mean um ultimately people are gonna have their own belief and you can't debate

01:13:50.980 your way out of it you know what i mean but anyways like again this is why like my focus

01:13:56.520 is more on the practical right his name i don't want to give his name lord help me not to mention

01:14:01.800 i almost came out he was there to witness it but he didn't like lose his faith in christianity so

01:14:08.500 i remember going at night and i started praying and this was my deal with god i said god if you

01:14:16.060 give me answers to these questions i swear to you i will commit my life to never allowing another 0.97

01:14:21.520 christian to be humiliated ever again by a muslim and that's at the set of emotion so when you made 0.99

01:14:28.620 that prayer what happens next what is given to you the lord is just directing my steps here read this 0.94

01:14:34.120 read that study this and so you know how the debate with amadi didad how many people are

01:14:40.680 wrong while this is taking no i didn't debate that i debated someone who was in i was an admirer of

01:14:44.960 him so you debated the realtor that used the manual that he created to the beach that was

01:14:49.360 influenced by him now he has his own but he had his manual that was influenced by the doc oh i got

01:14:56.160 it so it's not but he's the trendset he's the one i got it right he sells his own but this guy had

01:15:01.520 his folder with all is this realtor guy still preaching or no is he still out there doing this

01:15:05.200 thing or no the last time i saw him glory to god vindication i'll just tell you a little ego because

01:15:09.680 you know the assurance we got to win right uh when i came back a couple years later he ran between

01:15:14.720 his tail between his legs and i felt vindicated that was the last time so i don't know if he's

01:15:18.160 alive or dead so that was in your 20s that's a long time so that's in the 90s and he was already

01:15:22.960 maybe in his 40s so i don't know got it but the lord gave me vindication once you asked the lord

01:15:28.720 you prayed for that what what who came into your life no one person it was still the spirit guiding

01:15:35.600 me that's why i was saying i would go to stores and i've met few christian authors and lecturers

01:15:41.120 but it's all on vhs but it wasn't how they shaped me when it comes to defending defending muslims

01:15:49.680 i learned a lot from two individuals in particular but their approach was good but it wasn't like

01:15:57.200 devastating the two names that really influenced me when it came to refuting islam and they're

01:16:02.400 actually online for the website i write for answering islam.info john gilchrist he wrote

01:16:08.880 a series of booklets and books because he was also in south africa he was the response to the

01:16:14.880 dot so if you go to answering islam.info i'll walk you through it answering us all right yep

01:16:19.680 now if you look at individual authors to if you go down to the red right there individual authors

01:16:25.600 you're going to see john gilchrist it's on yep that man right there he wrote a series of books

01:16:30.800 and booklets responding to didad i learned a lot from him but his arguments were not devastating

01:16:38.020 So he, if you want to say, I would say he's an influence.

01:16:41.660 Another man that really influenced me, because he taught me how to think logically,

01:16:45.780 is even here, it's just in the website, if you go to William Campbell,

01:16:49.660 William Campbell is right there to your left, all the way to your left, Campbell,

01:16:54.660 and then right there, you see?

01:16:55.640 Right in the middle, right.

01:16:56.280 Yeah, there you go.

01:16:57.760 He wrote a book, The Quran and the Bible, Light of History and Science.

01:17:01.220 If you click on that, phenomenal book, phenomenal book.

01:17:05.180 That book, man, I ate it up.

01:17:07.280 because he was writing a response to a man named Maurice Bouquet.

01:17:11.280 He was the physician for the king of Saudi Arabia.

01:17:15.020 He wrote a book in 1975, I believe, The Bible, the Quran, and Science. 0.99

01:17:18.600 So he, as a non-Muslim, claimed, 0.99

01:17:22.840 whereas the Bible is full of scientific errors, the Quran has none. 0.98

01:17:25.840 In fact, it's a miracle. 0.99

01:17:27.660 No, exactly. 0.97

01:17:28.360 That book was being shoved down the throats of Christians. 0.77

01:17:31.080 The Bible, Quran, and Science.

01:17:32.520 Dr. Maurice Bouquet.

01:17:34.540 Conveniently, he's the physician of the...

01:17:37.200 That's crazy. 0.88

01:17:39.900 King of Sutter, and he found no mistakes in the Quran.

01:17:44.340 Is that a coincidence?

01:17:45.900 Yeah.

01:17:46.260 No, no.

01:17:47.120 Completely unbiased.

01:17:47.960 So this guy took him to the, you know, took him to school.

01:17:52.860 Obliterated his arguments.

01:17:54.480 That book right there, I can say, I probably read that book maybe 20 times.

01:17:59.560 Oh, wow.

01:18:00.200 Because he introduced, there's a chapter talking about deductive reasoning, right?

01:18:06.460 And, you know, how to think logically and how to avoid the etymological fallacy or how to avoid chronological fallacy, where you read a later meaning of a word into an earlier period of time.

01:18:18.680 So you can't do that.

01:18:19.580 So if a word means X now, that doesn't mean it had the same meaning 300 years ago.

01:18:23.960 So you cannot apply modern definitions to words in an earlier context.

01:18:28.080 You have to see how those words were used at that time.

01:18:30.940 He blessed me.

01:18:32.280 Because the Muslims were like, yeah, well, the Arabic means this.

01:18:34.260 Well, it means this now.

01:18:36.460 What did it mean at the time, Muhammad?

01:18:38.640 Because words evolved.

01:18:39.560 Like even the word pig, ironically.

01:18:41.600 100 years ago, now you put it in one of the entries,

01:18:44.140 a metaphorical slur, policeman, cop, right?

01:18:47.120 That would be one of the definitions.

01:18:48.680 Was that the meaning 200 years ago?

01:18:50.660 No.

01:18:51.600 So words evolved.

01:18:52.660 So you can't tell me because the Arabic means this now,

01:18:56.340 it meant that at the time when the Quran is written.

01:18:58.840 So he taught me how to think critically.

01:19:01.640 Now the only problem is this guy debated Zakir Naik

01:19:04.360 when I was in the audience.

01:19:06.460 and sadly, he got slaughtered by Zachary Knight,

01:19:09.080 so his book was discredited.

01:19:10.900 William Campbell.

01:19:11.640 Yeah, he got this, because he's not a debater.

01:19:13.720 He was an older gentleman.

01:19:15.280 See, some people, see,

01:19:16.420 if you want the most effective takedown of anything,

01:19:19.620 you got to know people's strengths and weaknesses,

01:19:22.220 and you got to then put them in their areas of strength,

01:19:24.820 keep them away from areas of weakness.

01:19:26.920 So if I know you're a phenomenal speaker,

01:19:28.580 but not a debater, I'll let you speak.

01:19:30.920 This guy's a devastating debater.

01:19:32.520 He'll do the debates.

01:19:33.720 If you're a phenomenal writer, not a good speaker,

01:19:35.720 you do the writing and if you're specialized let's say in the trinity you only talk about 0.77

01:19:40.200 the trinity he specializes in destroying let's say hinduism he you don't deal with anti-trinity 0.73

01:19:46.200 that's not your field stay in refuting hinduism you're great at islam you don't deal with joe's 0.85

01:19:51.000 witnesses you suck in that here's a guy that's how you got to do it you got to know people and

01:19:56.680 there's a saying like robert spencer you won't find anyone better in political jihad and historical 0.98

01:20:01.720 muhammad you put him there he's going to shine no one's going to touch him so you got to know

01:20:07.560 the person and put them in their area of expertise so like me i don't know much about

01:20:14.040 guys i made a note here um to remind myself i'm going to find some videos by robert spencer and

01:20:21.640 i will play those during my regular uh live streams which you know i do at 12 noon eastern

01:20:30.920 um and i'll definitely uh play some good ones from him uh which focus on political jihad which

01:20:39.640 is of course the the main topic of this youtube channel but science i don't know much about

01:20:45.560 atheism the most stupidest thing i can do is debate an atheist because if it's about the

01:20:49.560 glory of christ i don't want to go embarrass myself and destroy faith so let me bring those 1.00

01:20:53.800 lions christians who spend their time eating up atheists so that's how you have to strategize

01:21:00.600 so campbell was a great writer not a great speaker he got destroyed by zachari this is the debate 0.62

01:21:07.560 yep that's a clip from the so who have you debated that's a uh high level scholar known muslim

01:21:15.480 debater? That's hard to say.

01:21:17.400 I think it would be my first debate

01:21:19.440 with Jabrali. I think that's the only one credible. 1.00

01:21:21.900 Everyone else tried to make a name

01:21:23.640 but it didn't go too far. 0.98

01:21:25.400 There's not many great Muslim debaters

01:21:27.520 even today. They're popular ones

01:21:29.560 but that doesn't mean they're great.

01:21:31.080 Who are the popular ones?

01:21:33.000 Daniel Hakikachu. Very popular.

01:21:36.000 Muhammad Ajab exploded.

01:21:38.200 He's very popular.

01:21:39.520 Would you debate him? Absolutely.

01:21:41.880 You would debate Muhammad Ajab? Absolutely.

01:21:43.480 In fact, one thing, though, I have to share, because I know how to bring down Islam, you have to know what to debate. 1.00

01:21:53.820 This is the problem with many Christians who set up debates. 1.00

01:21:56.860 They don't know what to debate. 1.00

01:21:58.120 If you want to see Islam destroyed, you have to know what to debate. 1.00

01:22:01.160 And when you propose these debates, they'll try to make 10,000 excuses not to debate them because they'll know it's the end of the session. 0.99

01:22:06.940 Such as what? 0.86

01:22:07.500 the one thing i always start with before i debate a muslim what did muhammad say about the bible 0.86

01:22:14.380 it's called the islamic dilemma islamic dilemma we put a muslim in a dilemma what's the dilemma 0.90

01:22:21.200 well just like my new testament confirms the old testament so as christians we can't attack the 0.83

01:22:25.980 old testament we're stuck with it so when they tell me what about these wars in the old testament

01:22:30.520 i can't say ah jesus told me the old testament's god's word so i got to join with the jews in

01:22:37.000 defending the old testament right sometimes it's hard but if i believe jesus and i believe in his

01:22:42.180 lordship he told me the old testament is god's word it's not the vedas i'm stuck you know we

01:22:47.340 love you lord and you didn't make it too easy right we have to deal with all these wipe everything 0.98

01:22:51.480 that brings muhammad put them in a similar situation all throughout the quran muhammad 0.98

01:22:57.360 said one of the proofs of his prophethood is that my quran confirms your scriptures

01:23:01.880 It agrees with them. No, it doesn't. My Bible contradicts your Quran. That means the Quran is 0.99

01:23:08.820 false. But see, the Muslims see that and say, oh, you must have changed the Bible. But the Quran 0.99

01:23:13.880 never says it's been changed. They try to take a verse here and there out of context. And once you

01:23:18.800 read the context, it'll either refer to the misinterpretation of the text or a particular

01:23:23.260 group in a particular area, but not the entire community itself. So once I debate that, anytime

01:23:30.980 they attack the bible i go so you agree muhammad is wrong why he said my bible has not changed you 0.87

01:23:36.580 said it is so that means he's wrong so are you going to renounce muhammad see this is how you 0.95

01:23:40.740 have to do it but then they'll come back and say if they say well no the bible is right well muhammad 0.59

01:23:46.500 is wrong again because my bible says that what the kran says about jesus is wrong so islamic dilemma 0.97

01:23:52.820 damn if you do damn if you don't see once you do that everything else falls in place so you would 0.95

01:23:59.380 debate him and what what what topics would you debate him on i would love to get these guys to 1.00

01:24:04.900 debate me islamic dilemma whether the quran is perfectly preserved free of contradictions does

01:24:10.260 islam teach tawhid meaning does it teach the absolute oneness of allah believe it or not it

01:24:14.980 doesn't that's what they'll tell you they'll sell you that script and does the bible teach a trinity

01:24:20.020 and or the deed of christ these are the foundational issues right these are it this is where you 0.78

01:24:25.060 you destroy Islam. Because Islam's bread 0.97

01:24:27.120 and butter is, we have the purest

01:24:29.220 form of monotheism. More so

01:24:31.200 than you Christians, you worship three gods. 1.00

01:24:33.900 That's a lie from the pit of hell. 1.00

01:24:35.300 Islam is anything but 1.00

01:24:36.340 if you really study its sources. 0.88

01:24:39.800 But if you let them just give you

01:24:41.020 their spiel and quote a verse here and quote a verse there

01:24:43.220 and catch you off guard,

01:24:45.400 yeah, it sounds like it's more

01:24:46.740 monotheistic than Christianity. It's actually

01:24:48.960 very polytheistic.

01:24:51.220 In what way? 1.00

01:24:52.840 Well, if you deal with the Sunni Muslims, 1.00

01:24:55.360 let's go with that. 0.98

01:24:56.140 Not Quran-only Muslims. 0.99

01:24:57.420 They believe the Quran is the uncreated speech of Allah. 0.99

01:25:00.860 So here's another problem that Christians have. 0.95

01:25:03.980 They will debate the Bible versus the Quran. 1.00

01:25:06.120 Wrong debate.

01:25:07.760 Wrong debate. 1.00

01:25:08.500 Because the Islamic understanding of the Quran

01:25:10.060 is our view of Jesus. 0.69

01:25:11.840 And this is something emitted by Muslim scholars. 0.99

01:25:14.240 What do I mean? 0.99

01:25:15.400 In Christianity, Christ is the uncreated,

01:25:17.720 eternal word of the Father who became flesh. 0.99

01:25:19.940 Well, that's what they believe about the Quran. 0.97

01:25:21.480 The Koran is the uncreated word of God that became a book. 0.82

01:25:25.440 So your view of Jesus is their view of the Koran. 0.96

01:25:28.300 It's not your view of the Bible.

01:25:29.660 None of us think the Bible is the uncreated word of God.

01:25:32.240 Impossible.

01:25:33.100 Because God used human authors and used their personalities.

01:25:36.860 So if you're going to say it's the uncreated word of God,

01:25:38.320 then you're going to say those human authors also are uncreated.

01:25:40.860 It doesn't work.

01:25:43.280 But Jesus is the uncreated word of God.

01:25:46.000 John 1.1, in the beginning was the word.

01:25:47.880 The word was with God.

01:25:49.060 The word was God.

01:25:50.640 and then 14 the word became flesh so they took that idea of jesus and applied it to the quran

01:25:56.300 something admitted by muslim scholars now if the quran is the uncreated word of allah

01:26:01.780 very i mean to be fair a lot of the things in the quran were stolen from the bible and from the

01:26:12.740 torah and then they were just sort of like changed around um and like readapted for the quran

01:26:21.020 Very easy dilemma. 0.98

01:26:22.340 Is the Qur'an Allah?

01:26:23.760 Is it the same as Allah?

01:26:25.540 Now, in Islamic theology, they'll say,

01:26:27.780 it is not Allah, and it's not other than Allah.

01:26:31.340 And they'll say,

01:26:31.840 it's not Allah, it's not other than Allah.

01:26:37.020 What does that mean?

01:26:38.040 Meaning, no, it's not identical to Allah,

01:26:39.620 but it's not separable from Allah.

01:26:41.580 So it's not identical to him. 0.79

01:26:44.060 Because Allah is not the Qur'an.

01:26:45.680 Allah has a set of attributes.

01:26:47.820 But here's the problem.

01:26:49.440 So if you say the Qur'an is not Allah and it's uncreated,

01:26:52.340 how many uncreated entities do you have?

01:26:54.960 Two.

01:26:56.240 But I thought there's only one uncreated entity. 0.99

01:26:58.620 Now they have to sound like Christians saying,

01:27:00.340 though they're distinct, they're inseparable, so they're one.

01:27:02.800 Oh, welcome to the wonderful world of the Trinity.

01:27:05.480 That's the first step.

01:27:06.500 Now I can go further in their tradition.

01:27:08.720 The Qur'an actually speaks.

01:27:10.580 There are sound narrations where it says,

01:27:12.520 on a day of judgment, the Qur'an will appear as a man interceding for you.

01:27:17.020 Now, I'm kind of confused on that.

01:27:19.240 If this is a speech of Allah, who is it speaking to? 0.51

01:27:22.720 Well, it's speaking to Allah. 0.59

01:27:24.280 So Allah is speaking to himself?

01:27:25.900 No, no, no, no.

01:27:26.420 The Qur'an is speaking to Allah, so it's not Allah.

01:27:28.280 Oh, so the Qur'an has its own consciousness.

01:27:31.440 It can interact with Allah, so they're not the same person.

01:27:35.100 They're different conscious entities, but they're inseparable. 0.52

01:27:38.420 Wow, you're sounding more like a Trinitarian the more we speak.

01:27:42.360 Now, if you multiply with the chapters, even the chapters speak, and they appear. 0.87

01:27:45.420 It says, chapter 2 and 3 of the Quran will appear as birds, and they will cover you with the wings, and they'll go before you, arguing with Allah to defend you.

01:27:56.460 Someone in the chat asked me if I can read Farsi.

01:27:59.340 Yes, I can read Farsi.

01:28:02.340 Does that sound like Islam teaches absolute unity of Allah?

01:28:06.120 Let me ask you, in regards to the religion itself, on how it's grown over the years.

01:28:13.480 okay and i'm sure as you're going through it you know they've had a lot of success they've grown

01:28:18.900 at a pace where you can look at data on at by what you're you know the world's going to be a

01:28:24.540 majority muslim i think it's 2060 or something like that yep 2060 2070 and they're not slowing

01:28:30.920 down and you see the growth they're having in uk in 1980 was only a half a million people living

01:28:35.020 there give or take uh today they got four and a half million people five million people living

01:28:39.820 there and you're seeing london growing the way that it is the mayor is a three-term only three-term

01:28:45.100 mayor they've ever had sadiq khan and you're seeing what happened in new york with mamdani

01:28:49.740 getting elected right muslim democratic socialist they're growing okay on the christian side i i

01:28:55.980 don't know if you know charlie kirk played offense charlie kirk was out there doing a lot and getting

01:29:01.500 a hold of young kids who turning point usa wanted to grow up and be able to defend their faith in

01:29:07.660 in a strong way and he was it's so sad um that charlie kirk was assassinated like i still think

01:29:16.300 about that and like he was just such a nice nice guy and the woke left just demonized him

01:29:25.760 and then they were like celebrating his assassination i mean like what sort of

01:29:31.700 What kind of soulless monster do you have to be to celebrate the assassination of someone like Charlie Kirk?

01:29:43.480 It's just, wow, very sad. 0.87

01:29:47.180 Becoming unapologetic, right?

01:29:49.300 The way he was doing it, Charlie was.

01:29:52.540 Why do you think their church is growing the way that it is?

01:29:56.460 Yeah. Well, if you look at it really and compare it, it's not really so much conversion.

01:30:04.340 Yeah, they get converts, but even statistics have shown now, I don't know when the last statistic came up,

01:30:10.480 but I remember years ago, one statistic showed that about over 90% of converts leave Islam in five years 0.73

01:30:16.540 because they're giving a sanitized version of Islam that when they study,

01:30:21.720 they realize it doesn't correspond to what they were taught. 0.98

01:30:23.760 it's so true guys did you see that video oh my gosh let me see if i can find it

01:30:30.420 um there's this video of like this like influencer on social media and then she like

01:30:39.580 she pretends i don't know or like she she claims that she um like converted to islam

01:30:50.420 and then and then she can't handle it. So she like she posts this social media profile. Where

01:31:03.100 is it? I need to find this. Let me find this video. I know I just saw it somewhere. I literally

01:31:09.140 just saw it on my. Oh, gosh. Okay. All right. I'm going to find the video. But yeah, it was like

01:31:20.300 this this random like girl and then you know she converted to Islam on social media and then like

01:31:29.040 she wore the hijab and then she got sick of it I think after like a few months so then like she

01:31:35.320 posts this video and she's like so you know like a lot of you're gonna be upset and she's like this

01:31:41.360 like random white girl right a lot of you're gonna be upset um I just want to say that you know

01:31:48.320 even before i announced publicly that i was a muslim like you know me and allah we had a thing

01:31:54.720 going on and i just kind of wish i'd kept it private um and so you know like i'm not gonna

01:32:01.620 wear hijab anymore but i'm still a muslim and you know just for the for the next little while

01:32:07.680 um i'm never gonna like i for the next little while or i don't know maybe never i'm not gonna

01:32:14.380 talk about islam anymore but i'm still muslim like it's just the funniest thing okay i'm gonna find 0.94

01:32:20.300 i have to find this video um but what he says here is so true like all these ignorant people

01:32:28.540 convert to to islam because they don't actually know what it's like and then when they find out

01:32:33.340 they're like oh what did we get into um but then they also have to recognize that the punishment

01:32:43.500 for leaving islam is death right so yeah i'm gonna replay this i'm gonna try to find that

01:32:50.060 um i'm gonna try to find that video offense charlie kirk was out there doing a lot and

01:32:55.500 getting a hold of young kids who turning point usa wanted to grow up and be able to defend their

01:33:01.660 faith in a strong way and he was becoming unapologetic right the way he was doing it

01:33:06.700 charlie was yeah um why why do you think their church is growing the way that it is yeah well

01:33:15.180 if you look at it really and compare it it's not really so much conversion yeah they get converts

01:33:21.340 but even statistics have shown now i don't know when the last statistic came out but i remember

01:33:26.860 years ago one statistic showed that about over 90 percent of converts leave islam in five years

01:33:32.460 because they're giving a sanitized version of islam that when they study they realize it

01:33:38.340 doesn't correspond to what they were taught so over 90 guys i found the video okay i found the

01:33:44.120 video let me send it to myself here um let me transfer it from my phone to um my laptop here

01:33:52.620 all right this is the girl who just one of the funniest things i've ever seen um

01:34:02.020 here give me a moment let me pull this up

01:34:06.480 okay all right guys okay just just watch this i'd rather do anything than make this video but

01:34:18.880 genuinely i'm in a mental state that i've never been in before and it's very scary i know that

01:34:23.120 this video is going to disappoint so many people i know the comments are going to be filled with 0.67

01:34:26.660 i'm so disappointed i knew she was a fake muslim people's definitely going to be saying that

01:34:30.640 people's definitely going to be saying I use the religion for clout they're going to be saying I 0.99

01:34:34.140 knew she was going to take the hijab off all of this stuff I'm actually just going to have to

01:34:37.560 firm the comments because genuinely I'm like actually losing my mind in a serious way I love

01:34:41.900 the community of Muslim sisters that I've built on this platform I genuinely hope to never ever

01:34:46.420 ever lose the system that I've built and I genuinely from the bottom of my heart appreciate

01:34:50.360 every single person that has made this journey easier for me has said nice things to me has been

01:34:55.660 there for me has asked me for advice I've advised them like genuinely thank you so so so much I

01:35:00.520 love the community i have built more than anything i'm so grateful for the opportunities that i've

01:35:04.280 been able to give you guys and that you've also been able to give me islam genuinely changed my

01:35:08.280 life for the better and it's something i'll forever be grateful for and i'll forever be a

01:35:11.400 part of if anyone takes anything from this video please let it be that i will always be a muslim

01:35:16.280 no matter what you see me posting well not like i'm gonna be like going around posting haram stuff

01:35:20.120 but like without the hijab and stuff i am always gonna be a muslim like don't let people in the

01:35:24.760 comments be telling you she said that she's not anymore because i've never said that and i never

01:35:28.200 will say that like I'm always going to be a Muslim with that being said I will say the most I feel

01:35:32.820 like I'm on Dean and most connected to Allah is when it's between me and Allah like when I first

01:35:38.580 reverted I didn't tell social media for like six months and genuinely I do really really regret

01:35:43.740 telling social media like I regret for my personal self telling people but also I know that my videos

01:35:49.240 have helped so many people so like I don't regret posting them I'm not going to take them down

01:35:53.680 because i know that they do help a lot of people

01:35:55.920 but i am also gonna stop posting about islam for a little while

01:35:59.440 maybe forever i'm really unsure at the moment did you catch that she's like

01:36:03.840 maybe i'm gonna stop posting about islam for a

01:36:06.880 while or maybe forever did you did you catch

01:36:10.560 that

01:36:13.120 okay take them down because i know that they do help a lot of people

01:36:16.080 but i am also gonna stop posting about islam for a little while

01:36:19.600 maybe forever i'm really insure at the moment

01:36:23.680 Oh, my gosh. So, all right. I had to share that. So, when Sam here is talking about how a lot of the people who, you know, convert to Islam, most of them leave within five years.

01:36:43.040 Yeah, he's not exaggerating because, yeah, because a lot of people have no clue what they're getting into. And again, I'm not here to judge a religion. I mean, you do you. If that's how you want to live your life, that's fine.

01:37:02.220 but a lot of people have no idea what it's actually like and they're not told everything

01:37:10.640 it's always it's always the funniest thing for me to like see all these like

01:37:18.460 people like you know convert to islam because they have no idea what's coming 0.99

01:37:24.300 oh my gosh all right all right so so you know there you go

01:37:32.220 one statistic showed that about over 90 percent of converts leave islam in five years 0.96

01:37:37.900 because they're giving a sanitized version of islam that when they study they realize it

01:37:42.540 doesn't correspond to what they were taught so over 90 percent of commerce leave within five

01:37:47.500 years that was a statistic that was mentioned years ago but find out maybe yeah but they don't

01:37:52.300 last the majority of though but those who ended up let's say remaining it's not much on conversion

01:37:59.660 but believe it or not it has to do with procreation you would if you look at it

01:38:04.460 unless they're completely westernized right if they bought into the western dream and having

01:38:10.300 more kids means greater financial responsibility so have less kids if they're not westernized 0.85

01:38:15.020 typically they have larger families and because of that if you have a muslim who has a wife who 0.99

01:38:20.620 has four kids but then multiply that with two other wives on the side we got problems they're 1.00

01:38:25.900 They're going to outnumber you. 0.99

01:38:26.680 But the thing is also, even with that said, we have to be careful.

01:38:29.660 Islam is not monolithic. 0.97

01:38:31.280 Just because you have majority Muslims, they don't all believe the same. 1.00

01:38:34.460 And many Muslims are secular. 1.00

01:38:36.020 They're not even devout. 1.00

01:38:37.520 Yeah, that's the one thing.

01:38:38.800 Like a lot of people say Islam is the fastest growing religion.

01:38:41.640 It's not because people are converting to Islam. 0.99

01:38:44.720 It's because, you know, every man has like up to four wives and then they're just like pumping out babies. 0.99

01:38:52.060 So the reason it's the fastest growing religion is because, you know, big families, multiple wives.

01:39:00.160 Muslims, they're Muslims by name. 1.00

01:39:01.500 And secondly, Muslims turn on each other. 1.00

01:39:04.720 So even when we say they're growing, it's not one branch of Islam that's growing. 1.00

01:39:10.220 It is simply these populations who were then governed by Islam, many of whom don't know their tradition or they don't have the same tradition.

01:39:19.980 and they're growing because of procreation more so than conversion. 0.99

01:39:25.260 And then at times, they become their worst enemies.

01:39:27.940 In fact, if I'm correct, I'm not into the political thing, 0.97

01:39:31.380 but what about the fights between Shia and Sunnis, even in recent times? 0.99

01:39:36.860 In fact, I've seen videos where you'll find Sunni, the terrorists in Iraq, 0.98

01:39:41.060 killing more Shia than non-Muslims. 0.93

01:39:44.320 Why is that? 0.99

01:39:45.120 Because they think Shia is even worse because of their views of Aisha.

01:39:49.440 not all shia extreme so they turn on each other they're not all in agreement they're not monolithic

01:39:55.220 so even when you say oh they're going to be over two billion but two billion muslims of different

01:40:00.520 mindsets of different sects that don't all agree and at times they turn against each other and

01:40:05.080 anathematize one another same thing with christianity so i'm not trying to say christianity

01:40:08.820 doesn't have that problem right we christians okay when you say there are two billion christians

01:40:12.420 well among those you're counting joel's witnesses and you're counting mormons and you're counting

01:40:16.580 all these cult groups that identifies Christianity.

01:40:19.820 You're not just counting historic Christian churches.

01:40:22.560 You're not just counting the Catholic church. 0.92

01:40:24.440 You're counting all who sign off as a Christian. 0.99

01:40:27.320 And some of them are Christian by name but live like the devil. 0.96

01:40:30.620 So are they really Christian? 1.00

01:40:31.960 When you have a Muslim saying he's a Muslim but he drinks and eats pork, 1.00

01:40:35.120 and you know they do that, of course. 1.00

01:40:36.940 We've met them, especially in Chicago.

01:40:39.640 My teenage years, I had a couple of good Muslim buddies. 1.00

01:40:42.780 They were anything but Muslim, right? 1.00

01:40:45.260 So to say you're Muslim is one thing, 1.00

01:40:48.140 but to say practicing Muslims, how many of you are?

01:40:50.880 Let me ask this, because you'll talk to some people

01:40:54.140 who are Jewish, they'll say, I'm Jew-ish, right?

01:40:57.280 Adam will say, I'm Jew-ish, I'm not really Jewish, 1.00

01:41:00.680 I'm more Jewish, but you have that watered down Christians, 1.00

01:41:08.800 Jews, and Muslims, okay? 0.99

01:41:10.440 However, which one has more radical true believers of their faith? 0.99

01:41:17.740 Okay, so forget about the 2 billion. 0.91

01:41:19.980 Forget about the 2.1 billion Christians. 1.00

01:41:22.180 Forget about the 15 million Jews. 1.00

01:41:23.900 Forget about, you know, all those that we can go through. 1.00

01:41:26.660 Which one has a bigger percentage of true believers

01:41:30.360 that they have fully bought into their vision long-term

01:41:33.140 and they're imposing, they're driving?

01:41:35.800 Yeah.

01:41:36.380 That's the number you got to look at, right?

01:41:38.060 Yeah, but that's the thing.

01:41:39.060 i haven't done any uh intensive study on christians who are devout christians but you have

01:41:44.660 a revival happening right now you're having a revival where the youth are not just nominal

01:41:51.220 christians they are being sparked up to be on fire for christ so this is why i say i can't really

01:41:56.980 give you a number if there are more zealous muslims than christians but to say that in recent

01:42:02.340 times because of recent events there hasn't the spirit is moving in such a way that i'm also

01:42:07.620 astonished seeing the hunger among youth to want to now come back to their christian roots or even

01:42:13.460 by the way um he makes a very good point i know that for uh you know for a fact both christianity

01:42:19.780 and zoroastrianism are the two fastest growing religions in occupied iran um however you know

01:42:27.140 it's all done in secret because the crime for um leaving islam is death and so many iranians um who

01:42:36.420 have you know left islam or never believed in islam in the first place um are secret christians

01:42:43.780 or secrets or astrians and they basically go to like you know church underground and they have

01:42:50.420 like you know secret bible studies and and things like that in order to avoid being persecuted by

01:42:55.380 the islamic republic the way you're having an explosion of converts of islam and muslim lands

01:43:02.820 they even say that the church is exploding in africa and in iran they go there are a lot of

01:43:08.340 iranians who become christian they're underground i just said that oh my gosh i did i not just say

01:43:14.100 that i literally just said christianity is christianity is the fastest growing religion in

01:43:18.820 iran but even with that said like i said when i say christiancy this is again we have to be fair

01:43:25.780 they're converting to a variety of forms of christianity some are becoming mormons

01:43:30.020 well do we consider them christian right joe's witnesses or oneness so to say how many are

01:43:37.780 zealous i'd have to look at the statistics but we from my own experience seeing online

01:43:44.580 i'm seeing the youth come in droves on fire to reclaim their christian faith and on fire for

01:43:51.060 jesus i'm seeing it when i was doing it in the late 90s early 2000 it wasn't the way it is now

01:43:56.740 so the youtube is having a you well whatever not just youtube but you get what i'm saying

01:44:01.460 having a huge impact it is causing people to look into christianity and i am seeing a lot of muslims

01:44:10.260 leave christian uh leave islam for christianity but i am seeing people who convert to islam but 0.91

01:44:14.980 those are the christians and i have to say very poorly catechized and being given a sanitized

01:44:22.100 version of islam because i've interviewed people who said i became a muslim five years ago but then 0.97

01:44:27.460 i found such and such or such and such and i saw and i was shocked that this is what islam teaches 0.96

01:44:32.820 i can't be a muslim anymore because they give you a sanitized version of islam see the difference 0.99

01:44:38.180 with jesus christ here's the difference the more you get to know muhammad is teaching the more 0.99

01:44:42.660 repulsive it turns out to be the more you get to know jesus the more irresistible he is

01:44:48.500 the more you fall in love with him he's he is beauty in the flesh if you want to show a person

01:44:55.660 why not to become muslim just compare muhammad to jesus because jesus makes everything else look 0.96

01:45:03.460 ugly because he's just beautiful what can you say bad about jesus i mean even from the islamic 0.65

01:45:09.480 perspective one of the ways i even argue my case that jesus is superior to muhammad

01:45:13.740 i use the islamic jesus because i don't believe the islamic jesus is the real jesus right because 0.87

01:45:20.420 paul told us if you go to second corinthians chapter 11 he warned he's warning the church 0.97

01:45:24.640 second corinthians chapter 11 verse one of four he's warning the church he goes look

01:45:28.180 i converted you basically so you are my spiritual daughter because he's their spiritual father he

01:45:34.620 goes i have betrothed you as a chaste virgin to one husband because the church is the bride of

01:45:40.160 Christ. So this is spiritual. It's nothing carnal, nothing physiologic. We have to emphasize that

01:45:44.900 because we have people, sick minds who think that Christ is going to come and have a physical wife. 0.73

01:45:49.060 No, it's the church, the spiritual bride of Christ. But there is something called spiritual virginity. 0.98

01:45:55.580 Paul uses it. I want to present you as a chaste virgin to one husband, but I am afraid that as 1.00

01:46:01.720 the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, you too will be deceived from your simple devotion to 0.60

01:46:09.240 Christ. Now, how does Satan, the serpent, rob us of our spiritual virginity? He says it in verse

01:46:14.680 four. He says, because if someone comes and preaches another Jesus, then we preach or a

01:46:20.640 different spirit from the one you receive or a different gospel, you put up with it easily. So

01:46:24.420 he's saying the way Satan makes Christians lose their integrity, virginity, is by presenting

01:46:29.720 another Jesus and you tolerate it. Well, he's talking about the Islamic Jesus. And I'm not 0.85

01:46:35.240 saying he knew about it, but the other Jesus is the Jesus of Islam, or Mormonism, or Jewish 0.56

01:46:40.620 Witnesses. It's not the same Jesus. There's only one Jesus, and you've got to get him right.

01:46:45.220 So the Jesus that Paul preached was God in the flesh, one with the Father, and the Spirit. Any

01:46:49.140 other Jesus is Satan's way of deceiving you. So when we say to Muslims, yeah, you know, we all

01:46:54.180 honor Jesus. No, we don't. I don't honor your Jesus. Your Jesus is not my Jesus. So, but when 1.00

01:47:00.440 Christians, go with it. Paul says, see now, 1.00

01:47:02.440 you let the serpent cun you.

01:47:04.940 You just fell for his trick.

01:47:07.080 That's his trick. Yeah, you

01:47:08.460 believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus. Yeah.

01:47:10.180 No, your Jesus is Isa, 1.00

01:47:12.320 who announced the coming Muhammad. My Jesus 0.99

01:47:14.280 is the God of Muhammad, before 0.99

01:47:16.460 whose feet Muhammad will bow and confess 0.90

01:47:18.420 he's Lord. Is that your 0.76

01:47:20.460 Jesus? They'll say no. Then your Jesus is not my

01:47:22.440 Jesus. So this is the

01:47:24.480 mindset you have to have.

01:47:26.460 Go ahead, you want to say something?

01:47:27.400 You know, the part that

01:47:29.600 I watched this young lady

01:47:32.100 and I want to ask this because to me

01:47:33.780 I think about it on

01:47:35.680 what benefit it has, right? This young lady

01:47:38.020 is asking 0.99

01:47:38.600 you know who she's asking

01:47:41.280 that's right

01:47:42.980 that's the one who defeated William Campbell

01:47:44.360 so she's asking him

01:47:47.040 hey, if men go to

01:47:49.040 heaven, they get 72 0.98

01:47:51.300 virgins, what do women get? 1.00

01:47:53.020 and this is his answer, it's a very good question

01:47:54.760 go ahead, Rob 0.99

01:47:55.580 Mother said that Muslims go to heaven

01:47:57.700 and then they get 72 1.00

01:47:59.020 72 women, the men 0.99

01:48:01.080 what will the woman get?

01:48:03.800 So as far as your first question, your second question

01:48:05.540 will answer first and then come back to your first question

01:48:07.040 as far as the question is concerned that

01:48:09.280 if the men go to heaven

01:48:11.320 they'll get 72, that beautiful woman 1.00

01:48:13.600 what will the woman get? The same question 0.92

01:48:15.420 was asked by the wife of the prophet

01:48:17.880 so the wife of the prophet replied

01:48:19.360 that the woman will get that which your heart

01:48:21.740 hasn't desired, what your eyes hasn't seen

01:48:23.740 what a ear hasn't heard about

01:48:24.980 that means inshallah you'll get something equal

01:48:27.180 what your heart hasn't desired what your eyes hasn't seen what a ear hasn't heard so inshallah

01:48:32.240 if you go to heaven you will get something good which inshallah you'll be satisfied but the

01:48:35.980 question is first you have to enter heaven if you don't enter heaven you won't get that something

01:48:39.740 which is good what does that mean oh did you see the he didn't answer the question he didn't answer 0.83

01:48:44.480 it at all no no pay attention to his trick oh yeah the quran says you know a woman will get 0.90

01:48:49.280 what i hasn't seen right okay well hold on does that mean she's going to get so many men he never 0.87

01:48:54.420 said yes to catch that because he can't say that that would be a lie from the pit of hell so he's

01:48:59.940 an excellent politician he knows how to get around it because if you pay attention he never said

01:49:05.100 women will get multiple men he can't say that so but you're going to get the lights that are

01:49:10.000 mind-blowing okay i understand that does that include that the woman gets multiple men oh but

01:49:15.040 you're going to get what the eye has never seen or the mind has comprehended okay but does that

01:49:20.020 mean i'm going to get more than one husband see this is the rhetoric i'm talking about what do 0.93

01:49:24.880 women get in the muslim religion well and islam you know can i tell you yeah you will be part of 0.99

01:49:29.980 the hoodies that your husband will deflower for all eternity tell me more i i told you that guys 1.00

01:49:36.640 like i think earlier on i spoke about that and i was like you know when a woman goes to heaven

01:49:43.300 She doesn't get 72 virgins.

01:49:44.980 She just becomes part of the 72 virgins of her husband.

01:49:50.520 That's what's promised to her in heaven.

01:49:52.680 Okay, now let's say you're a good Muslim woman.

01:49:55.520 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:55.920 You married a Muslim man.

01:49:56.980 Yeah.

01:49:57.560 Now it's difficult to ascertain if you've been married multiple times, which Muslim man?

01:50:02.060 But if you pass the test and you had a good Muslim husband, 1.00

01:50:05.680 Allah will then make you part of those huris for your husband to deflower. 1.00

01:50:08.980 You'll be one among many. 1.00

01:50:10.280 it's a crappy deal for the girl 1.00

01:50:14.260 why do you think she asked

01:50:15.440 and notice he never said 0.99

01:50:17.880 oh you're going to get 70 men

01:50:19.640 he can't say that, he knows he'd be lying

01:50:22.180 so that means a Muslim woman 1.00

01:50:24.220 she'll have huge breasts, firm breasts 1.00

01:50:26.520 7833 1.00

01:50:27.680 she'll be part of the hural ein 0.99

01:50:30.260 if I tell you where that word comes from

01:50:33.180 it always makes me uncomfortable

01:50:34.880 listening to this part of the Quran

01:50:37.500 it's just so awkward

01:50:39.980 like i try to avoid this part this is why i just focus on like islamic terrorism because the other

01:50:45.200 part the other parts are just like very awkward for me our english word horror comes from that

01:50:50.860 word by the way i was just gonna say it sounds really familiar with the horror 0.90

01:50:53.320 oh i didn't know you're going to be a whore i was like okay that didn't sound i was always 0.91

01:50:58.840 gonna break out with an impression the brother said but we're not doing comedy vincent 0.92

01:51:05.460 vincent look at his birthday by the way what is it october 18. he's born on the same day

01:51:12.580 we have a same birthday 13 years apart thank god yeah thank you muscular handsome very different

01:51:18.100 buddy surrounded by muscular beasts too but my man so so okay so so the contradictions

01:51:26.100 of what a man gets versus what a woman yet yeah if if i'm a logical guy and i'm truly looking for

01:51:33.220 religion and i'm open-minded yes and i'm looking to the christian church i'm going you know studying

01:51:39.460 judaism maybe i can go that direction i'm studying scientology lds oh and i'm and i'm also putting

01:51:44.820 becoming a muslim right 72 virgins how can i buy into that if i got anything but a b or higher

01:51:53.940 in math in high school do you understand what i'm saying i don't know if you got what i'm saying so

01:51:58.980 So, how does the math add up?

01:52:02.820 Yeah, what do you mean with Islam?

01:52:04.240 How many billions of Muslim men have died?

01:52:07.240 Yeah. 0.94

01:52:07.520 That means there is 72, like the math.

01:52:13.260 This is a math question I'm asking.

01:52:16.040 You underestimate the greatness of Allah.

01:52:19.380 That's probably what it is.

01:52:20.520 The problem is Allah can meet the demand by just giving you, just creating as many as you need. 1.00

01:52:29.100 See, this is why you're a kafir, brother. 1.00

01:52:31.180 You don't have faith. 1.00

01:52:33.140 Allah can do what no eye, didn't you remember what no eye has seen, brother? 0.96

01:52:37.380 No heart has come. 0.68

01:52:38.140 By the way, that's a plagiarism of Paul. 0.93

01:52:41.360 He was quoting Paul because Muhammad took Paul's words. 0.93

01:52:44.440 That statement comes from 1 Corinthians 2, verse 9.

01:52:48.580 But Muhammad heard it and misapplied it, misappropriated it.

01:52:51.920 So if you go to 1 Corinthians 2, you're going to see that the context is about

01:52:55.000 what God has in store for believers who love him.

01:52:57.940 It's 1 Corinthians 2.9. 0.97

01:52:59.560 But Muhammad took it, adapted it, reinterpreted it. 0.60

01:53:03.780 So ironically, Muhammad is quoting Paul, not Jesus here. 0.81

01:53:06.260 Because if you go to 1 Corinthians 2, you read 9 all the way to 12, 0.76

01:53:09.000 you'll see what the context is.

01:53:10.020 It's in verse 9.

01:53:11.580 What no eye has seen.

01:53:13.060 Wow, sound familiar, brother?

01:53:14.360 Yeah.

01:53:15.320 Hmm.

01:53:16.000 What no ear has heard.

01:53:17.360 what no human mind has conceived, the things

01:53:19.480 that God has prepared for those who love Him. Wow, I

01:53:21.360 heard that. Can you play that again, Rob?

01:53:22.940 Sounds familiar. Can you play that again?

01:53:25.540 Go ahead.

01:53:26.080 But mother, brother,

01:53:27.220 you, careful.

01:53:29.900 Then they get 72.

01:53:31.680 72. Who are the men? What will the woman get? 0.99

01:53:34.980 And if, so as far 0.91

01:53:36.120 the first question, the second question, answer first and then

01:53:37.940 come back to your first question. As far as the question is

01:53:39.940 concerned, that if

01:53:41.880 the men go to heaven, they'll get 72. 1.00

01:53:43.900 Who are the beautiful women? What will the 1.00

01:53:46.020 women get? The same question was asked for the 0.83

01:53:47.560 who's the wife of the prophet.

01:53:49.900 So the wife of the prophet replied that the woman 0.84

01:53:51.880 will get that which your heart hasn't desired, 0.74

01:53:54.360 what your eyes hasn't seen, what a year

01:53:56.000 hasn't heard about. Weird. I've heard that before.

01:53:57.640 Inshallah, you'll get something equal. What your heart

01:54:00.000 hasn't desired, what your eyes hasn't seen,

01:54:02.200 what a year hasn't heard. So Inshallah

01:54:03.900 if you go to heaven...

01:54:05.820 Yeah, that's interesting. So what

01:54:07.780 is the...

01:54:10.020 Is that... How much of the 1.00

01:54:11.880 selling point of becoming a Muslim 0.93

01:54:14.100 is that?

01:54:14.740 is is that a big part of it or is that a small part of it i mean why would somebody who's a green

01:54:20.820 who is open you know muhammad ali doesn't give me the vibes of being a guy that's not smart

01:54:27.020 right yeah malcolm x doesn't give me the you know vibes of a guy that's not smart i mean you

01:54:32.200 very intelligent even farrakhan you see what what gets them to say you know i'm converting i'm

01:54:39.920 going a lot of people i know who you know have gone that direction these are smart guys that

01:54:46.080 i've had dinner with i've had lunch but i sit down with them intelligent yeah good citizens

01:54:50.080 good families good upbringing good you know even these some of these guys are very good

01:54:54.400 net positive to society what is the selling point you can be smart in one way and completely

01:55:00.560 oblivious in another way right so when you say smart in what sense business smart okay but that

01:55:05.280 does not equate to being theologically smart that's true so Muhammad Ali if you 0.56

01:55:10.140 really know I convert it was more because of the emphasis on black 0.61

01:55:13.680 supremacy he became a member of the nation of Islam nation of Islam is just 0.53

01:55:18.840 black supremacist mindset so when you're oppressed and you have someone saying 0.99

01:55:24.420 hey you are the original man and all is a black man and the white man's a devil 0.95

01:55:28.020 if you feel oppressed and inferior that kind of gives you the false pretext that 0.98

01:55:34.320 But, no, you're special, and that's why you're being oppressed.

01:55:36.980 So his conversion wasn't because he knew Islam. 0.93

01:55:40.060 He knew black supremacy, black-centric Islam, 0.93

01:55:45.500 which is contrary to the teaching of historic Islam. 1.00

01:55:48.500 So when you say, why did he, yeah, they're smart,

01:55:50.260 but are they smart in religion?

01:55:52.660 Have they studied their sources?

01:55:54.220 Do they understand?

01:55:54.780 Because you have brilliant Christians who are millionaires, 1.00

01:55:57.520 but don't know a lick of the Bible.

01:55:59.820 So I don't deny they're intelligent in one way,

01:56:03.020 but it doesn't mean they understand their sources now when you say is this a selling point this is

01:56:07.020 one of the things they don't mention this is why i was saying that within five years when people 0.95

01:56:10.380 study islam and see the horrific horrendous aspects of islam they're shocked that's why

01:56:16.300 they accuse us of lying immediately when i say the crown says it you're lying doesn't say because 0.71

01:56:20.220 they're shocked so i don't want to give the impression that the muslims are the villains 0.97

01:56:25.180 they're not and i'm not saying to be politically correct most muslims have no idea what islam 0.93

01:56:30.860 teaches they're just cultural muslims they'll go pray five times a day they just want to get along 1.00

01:56:36.540 it's those fanatical muslims that are dangerous and they're about ten percent if you they say 1.00

01:56:40.220 statistically about ten percent that are fanatic but ten percent of two billion that's still a 1.00

01:56:44.460 large number right most muslims have no idea most christians have no idea the number of radicals

01:56:50.620 is actually close to 25 so 25 of the muslim population is radicalized um and are islamic

01:56:59.420 terrorists um but again you know 25 of 2 billion is a pretty high number no idea christians

01:57:08.380 christianity if i ask a christian about the old testament wars they're shocked to hear that too

01:57:12.860 in fact if i recall in the debate didn't they bring up some of the old testament wars to try

01:57:16.940 to scandalize the christian debaters because even christians don't know about hey kill everything

01:57:22.300 that breeze there's a context to that i mean jesus forces us to try to understand the logic you know

01:57:27.580 I mean, even when I came to the faith, it was difficult.

01:57:30.140 But then as I understood and I studied, oh, I understand now.

01:57:33.920 But we can get into that. 0.95

01:57:35.020 Point being, just like a Christian will be shocked to hear what's in his Bible 0.94

01:57:39.220 if he's not properly trained, most Muslims are shocked to hear when I say, 0.93

01:57:43.380 oh, Hazrat Aisha, he said, Hazrat Aisha,

01:57:46.240 did you know she was nine when Muhammad deflowered her? 0.99

01:57:49.160 You're a liar. 1.00

01:57:50.440 You're lying. 1.00

01:57:52.000 Right?

01:57:52.560 But wait, you're sorry.

01:57:53.500 Then they say, well, it was.

01:57:55.100 I can't understand how no Muslim knows that.

01:58:00.880 I mean, it's pretty common knowledge that she was nine.

01:58:08.660 Acceptable at that time.

01:58:10.000 Or, no, these are lies.

01:58:11.460 These are later traditions. 0.99

01:58:12.880 So not every Muslim is on board because not every Muslim knows.

01:58:17.220 But if you're convinced, now here's the problem. 1.00

01:58:19.720 If you're convinced it's the truth, you're stuck with it.

01:58:22.560 Okay, what option do I have?

01:58:25.100 say in one of the conversations with a with a woman you're she's talking to you about being

01:58:30.620 a muslim and then you tell the story about how um he did something to his wife because she got 0.86

01:58:39.100 fat and unattractive and yeah yeah boy you've really been watching me you still like me invite

01:58:46.460 me oh yeah i've been watching the last two days i don't know how many hours of content of yours 0.95

01:58:51.420 i've watched yeah according to again you have to go with the islamic narrative right some people

01:58:57.040 say well that's just later tradition uh surat and nisa chapter 4128 if you want to open up

01:59:03.140 i'll give you the context 4128 you're going to see the context here yeah surat and nisa chapter

01:59:09.600 4128 yeah he opens it up yeah i don't know i would recommend a browser but i don't know which

01:59:14.820 one uh the one i have uh for this is in the quran yep watch your 120 chapter 4 128 not 1 to 20 sorry

01:59:24.580 128 this is the context of the passage i'm going to explain it here

01:59:28.660 now if you're not a sunni you can reject this if you're crown only muslim you can reject this

01:59:32.740 because this is based on the hadith because if you want to know okay what was the context of

01:59:36.900 these verses they have what's called the occasional reason revelation so you got to go

01:59:42.820 into the commentaries you got to go into books and it's all this verse was revealed because of this

01:59:47.060 but that's not in the cron so someone wants to reject it they'll say well it doesn't say so

01:59:50.980 he'd be right but then i'd say but turn back say well what's the context and how do you know

01:59:55.940 when was this composed if he tells me on sixth century i go well the cron doesn't tell you

01:59:59.060 sixth century how did you get that all from the same sources i just quoted that you rejected

02:00:04.260 interesting so you'll go to them when need be but when it disproves your point no it's now suspect

02:00:11.300 But these are the same sources that told you that this is revealed in Medina

02:00:15.360 and at this year, because the Quran doesn't tell you.

02:00:19.720 But nonetheless, if we read it, here's the thing.

02:00:22.200 And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or desertion,

02:00:25.840 there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them,

02:00:29.140 and settlement is best.

02:00:31.000 Now, what is that about?

02:00:31.900 Well, if I go to the tradition, Muhammad had at one time 11 wives, 0.85

02:00:36.220 even more than has God allowed for others. 0.96

02:00:39.020 If you go to chapter 4, verse 3 of the Quran, you don't need to turn there.

02:00:41.300 I think one of the Iranians in the YouTube chat actually mentioned that earlier. I was reading the comments and one of you mentioned that, yeah, Muhammad had 11 wives more than the permissible amount. Yeah, that's a fact. He had 11 wives.

02:00:57.200 there but for verse three it says you can have two or three or four wives if you if you can be fair

02:01:04.580 if not have one but then it says and as many as your right hands possess

02:01:08.540 see that part is not emphasized so the Quran allows unlimited concubinage so while you'll

02:01:13.720 hear stories when you have people who go to Saudi Arabia to be maids they don't know they're signing

02:01:18.340 up for sex that's part of the deal because in islam yeah um it's called like in farsi anyway 0.94

02:01:27.940 we call it um yeah it's basically like you know halal prostitution and yeah you can be a concubine 0.98

02:01:37.860 um also um they use that phrase as many as the right hand possesses um to justify um sex slaves 0.85

02:01:49.320 as well yeah if you are a maid or a servant the man has conjugal rights to sleep with you

02:01:57.220 you're signing up for that that's in chapter four verse three the cron it's there i'm i didn't write

02:02:01.440 it you know don't get angry at me and put a hit on me or my friends i didn't write it quran four

02:02:06.260 three chapter four verse three if you want to show it to him then we can come back here you'll see

02:02:10.660 a maid yeah well it's called your right hand possesses meaning that which is under your

02:02:17.460 control whether a servant or a maid or anything here for and if you fear that you will not deal

02:02:24.420 justly with the orphans then marry those that please you of other women two or three or four

02:02:29.140 but if fear that you will not be just then marry one or those your right hands possess

02:02:36.260 right hand possession this um this also just like this this phrase this part of the quran

02:02:43.300 or the hadith or whatever um it's also a good explanation you know if you're wondering 0.91

02:02:49.220 why a lot of islamic terrorists will kidnap and rape non-muslim women is because they believe that 0.98

02:02:58.500 they have permission to do so based on their religion. I mean, just think about the 0.99

02:03:06.320 Yazidi genocide, right? And how those ISIS terrorists basically kidnapped 7,000 Yazidi

02:03:17.940 women and girls and turned them all into sex slaves, right? And that comes from the whole

02:03:27.360 you know justification of of what your right hand possesses so yeah like a a lot of this

02:03:35.140 like what he's talking about um can be traced to modern day islamic terrorism

02:03:42.880 means you're you're concubines you're free to have as many as you want

02:03:47.620 but if you want to marry you can only have up to four but it doesn't tell you okay the four plus 0.73

02:03:54.180 the slave girls or the maids that's authentic islam sunni and shia tradition there's no because

02:04:00.340 it's in the quran right so that part seems to have you know been glossed over i guess many people

02:04:07.300 didn't get the memo so when you go ahead brother i'm just i'm just curious how so many i know you're

02:04:11.640 not political but how so many of these ilan omar and all these uh women of muslim faith like they're 0.55

02:04:17.380 my body my choice and everything but then every single thing in the quran is anti them 70 like 0.99

02:04:23.300 those 72 virgins sam for every guy that goes and has all these virgins like what type of life is 1.00

02:04:29.460 it as a muslim woman that you die and your eternity is up there having sex with all these 0.99

02:04:34.260 guys like it doesn't make any sense to me well it does one of two things it makes them leave islam 0.99

02:04:39.380 or remember if you've been convinced he that allah's god this is only religion well hey what

02:04:46.420 choice do i have you understand yeah what okay if i have been duped and beyond any reason without

02:04:55.300 convinced this is true i'm stuck what do you want me to do vinnie yeah this is how allah hey

02:05:01.140 allah does what he wants i'm just glad i'll be there i won't be burning in the fire see this 0.72

02:05:06.260 is the why do i say you have to be careful demonizing all muslims because many of them 0.97

02:05:10.580 are victims of the system right and i don't know i was going to say some but anyway they're victims 0.57

02:05:15.780 of the system but coming to the explanation i mean explain 4 128 now remember how many wives can uh 0.59

02:05:21.460 the muslim have two three or four yeah so you mean you can have two three four okay if you can handle

02:05:26.820 it and yeah yeah muhammad had 11 11. when he died he widowed nine now what makes it more tragic and 0.80

02:05:33.540 disgusting this is why i cannot believe if someone knows jesus he'd leave jesus for muhammad so i say

02:05:38.580 if you want to really get people to never consider muhammad say look what muhammad did compared to

02:05:43.300 jesus jesus's beauty will show you how disgusting these teachings are right focusing on look at

02:05:51.060 christ look at in fact comparing muhammad to paul the apostle a glorious holy servant of christ and 0.96

02:05:58.420 all he was was a servant if you see his lifestyle and his purity he makes muhammad look filthy and

02:06:03.300 by comparison just paul who's not our god in the flesh but nonetheless not only in 4128 if you go 0.87

02:06:09.860 back did muhammad treat one of his wives unjustly every single wife of muhammad after he died could

02:06:19.060 never remarry again that's in the crown you cannot have his wives after him so he left some of them

02:06:24.980 widows aisha was 18 they say and others in their 20s widows and someone lived to their 50s without

02:06:32.340 ever being able to marry have children this is what he did to them and you're telling me he's 0.63

02:06:36.180 a mercy unto mankind seriously and what does it tell you about a man who had nine wives and 0.94

02:06:41.140 couldn't get any of them pregnant right they say that his first wife khadijah that was his first

02:06:49.060 wife she was 15 years a senior she was actually his boss he used to work for her if we go with

02:06:54.260 the again remember we're going by the islamic narrative he used to work for her and she was

02:07:00.580 was so impressed by his conduct she proposed marriage and he married her

02:07:06.040 according to Islamic tradition she was a wealthy merchant woman because she had

02:07:09.200 married two wealthy men and they died left her their fortune and he used to be

02:07:13.960 a caravan trader for her so he she was his boss according to the Sunni tradition

02:07:19.900 he married her when he was 25 she was 40 and so she supposedly mothered all his

02:07:25.300 children but every son he had died as a toddler

02:07:30.580 None of his sons lived even to adulthood.

02:07:34.060 Now, he only stayed with her until she died.

02:07:37.000 Now, I'm going to explain to you why it is significant.

02:07:39.640 After that, he went crazy.

02:07:40.900 He started just collecting wives. 0.97

02:07:44.180 All his children, not only the sons died as toddlers,

02:07:47.480 but even his daughters, who got married later, died.

02:07:50.540 The only child that outlived them was his daughter Fatima,

02:07:54.260 who then died six months later.

02:07:55.660 She was married to Ali ibn Abu Talib, who's his first cousin.

02:07:59.260 and hence you get the Shia and Sunni divide

02:08:01.360 because Muhammad's lineage

02:08:03.920 is traced to his daughter Fatima

02:08:05.740 because she gave him two grandsons

02:08:07.380 Hassan Hussein

02:08:08.300 this is where the Shia trace Ahlul Bayt

02:08:10.980 so this has significance with the Shia and the Sunni 0.52

02:08:14.020 they don't get along

02:08:15.380 Fatima, Ali 0.99

02:08:18.160 who supposedly the rightful successor 0.74

02:08:20.340 but he was robbed

02:08:21.260 she gave him his two grandsons

02:08:23.840 because he had no boys, he had no successors

02:08:25.640 Hassan Hussein, Ahlul Bayt

02:08:27.140 The family line of Muhammad supposedly comes from that line.

02:08:29.260 But with that said,

02:08:30.860 supposedly he got Khadija pregnant when she was 40. 0.53

02:08:36.480 Okay, we'll give him that. 0.68

02:08:38.280 The other wives, he couldn't get any of them pregnant. 1.00

02:08:40.380 But then he had a sex slave, Maria Al-Qubtia. 0.99

02:08:44.520 Mary, the cop, sent to him. 0.96

02:08:46.660 He supposedly got her pregnant.

02:08:48.120 She gave birth to his son, Ibrahim,

02:08:50.460 and he died when he was two.

02:08:52.340 Okay, so maybe something happened.

02:08:54.780 He got lucky with her.

02:08:55.480 there's some questions whether that's what's really his son but we don't get into that my

02:08:59.340 whole point is of all these women he only got one woman supposedly pregnant after khadijah

02:09:05.180 son who died none of the other women who can get pregnant not even aisha who married at nine 0.70

02:09:09.820 left them all childless and widows who could never remarry again and he's a mercy unto a woman 0.60

02:09:15.500 how where's the mercy of leaving these women without a husband or children for the rest of 1.00

02:09:21.600 their days that's merciful women have needs right they want companionship they want intimacy they

02:09:28.560 want children and he left them with none of that and you're telling me he's a mercy unto mankind

02:09:32.520 now to show you how cruel he is that's where you're going to come for 128 now you're going 0.99

02:09:36.380 to see the cruelty of muhammad now you're going to see how this man is considered a mercy and i 0.99

02:09:41.120 have no idea man if he's merciful then you and me vinnie we're in trouble now it says if a woman 0.87

02:09:48.740 fears from her husband, contempt or desertion.

02:09:50.880 There is no sin upon them if they make terms

02:09:52.660 of settlement between them. Now,

02:09:54.520 the context is, Sada bin Zama.

02:09:58.240 She was

02:09:58.880 an older wife of Muhammad.

02:10:00.560 Now, when he was married to Khadija, he never

02:10:02.680 got married. When

02:10:04.580 she died, it says

02:10:06.520 that then he multiplied wives. 0.73

02:10:09.060 Second wife was Aisha.

02:10:11.420 My memory fails me if

02:10:12.620 it was Umm Salama, the first one, but

02:10:14.620 nonetheless, he married her

02:10:15.920 among the 11 wives.

02:10:18.740 but he was no longer attracted to her. 0.99

02:10:20.960 This is in the Muslim tradition.

02:10:22.040 I didn't write this.

02:10:23.100 Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim,

02:10:24.920 you know, they're writing this,

02:10:27.060 so I don't want people to condemn me to hell.

02:10:29.060 They can look at any commentary.

02:10:30.860 And she feared that mom was going to divorce her.

02:10:34.260 There's even a hadith in Bukhari that says

02:10:36.320 she would go out to the call of nature, 1.00

02:10:39.380 but because she was a huge fat lady, 1.00

02:10:41.280 you wouldn't miss her. 1.00

02:10:43.140 You know it's at her.

02:10:44.260 Hey, what are you doing?

02:10:45.380 We can see you, right? 1.00

02:10:46.800 So it describes a huge fat woman. 1.00

02:10:48.320 fat lady so she's a large woman and an older woman she feared muhammad is going to divorce her 0.88

02:10:55.220 so she made a deal with him keep me as your wife but you don't have to visit me because part of the 0.87

02:11:00.620 deal was he would have to visit these wives on successive days but the kron says it's up to him

02:11:06.000 he could choose not to you know i'm not going to see you i'm going to see you the kron says it's

02:11:10.120 up to his discretion that's chapter 33 of the kron versus 50 to 51 which wife you want to see

02:11:14.880 which wife you don't want to see yeah up to you so there's not a set schedule calendar you have

02:11:18.360 to follow so that means you'd be thankful if he chooses to see you be grateful so she comes to 0.94

02:11:24.400 him and says look don't divorce me keep me as your wife now remember each wife has to have her 0.91

02:11:30.200 own house and she cannot go out unless there's a need and with his permission so can you manage 0.92

02:11:37.120 your under house arrest pretty much you can only go if it's a need or he gives you permission 0.83

02:11:43.200 so he has 11 wives 0.91

02:11:45.520 11 homes

02:11:47.020 they have to stay home

02:11:48.580 until he says you can come out

02:11:50.360 or if it's something really like hey I gotta run to the toilet

02:11:52.900 okay 1.00

02:11:53.360 this woman said 1.00

02:11:55.660 don't divorce me 1.00

02:11:58.060 keep me as your wife 1.00

02:11:59.360 and the day assigned to me you can give it to Aisha 0.95

02:12:01.660 so Aisha had two days 0.69

02:12:03.780 the nine year old

02:12:05.460 and he left this woman

02:12:07.520 in a house all by herself

02:12:10.180 the rest of her days

02:12:11.180 and the Quran says

02:12:14.100 good agreement

02:12:15.400 if you agree to it, no problem

02:12:17.540 so his God said

02:12:19.120 that's the deal, go with now 0.99

02:12:20.580 why did she want to be his wife 1.00

02:12:21.840 see this is again 0.57

02:12:22.920 because the Quran says

02:12:24.600 that all of Muhammad's wives

02:12:25.820 will be his wives in paradise 1.00

02:12:27.280 so she was hoping that

02:12:28.600 if he didn't divorce her

02:12:29.740 she'd end up with him in paradise

02:12:31.340 see the mindset

02:12:32.380 please don't divorce me 0.99

02:12:34.940 let me die as your wife 0.98

02:12:35.940 so at least in paradise 1.00

02:12:37.080 I'll be your wife

02:12:38.340 and he left this woman alone

02:12:41.060 in a house without you know and having no children with her all because he was not attracted to her

02:12:46.900 and she knew it and she said don't divorce me now if muhammad was merciful you know what a merciful

02:12:52.500 god and a prophet would say what are you crazy i love you just as much as the first day i laid my

02:12:58.020 eyes on in fact i love you more what do you mean no you're my wife and i'm gonna honor you okay

02:13:03.220 good deal let's go for it and it's sanctioned in the crown see what it says if a woman fears

02:13:09.060 from her husband contempt or desertion there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement

02:13:13.700 between them and someone's best so if you agree to this all right good deal go with it but who wins

02:13:19.940 in this deal the men the men are winning the women are getting abused i don't know how in the world

02:13:26.580 this guy is a mercy unto mankind and when people tell me respect my prophet how can i respect such

02:13:31.620 a man who has not only destroyed the people around him sam how much uh when you walk in the streets

02:13:39.060 How often have Muslims approached you?

02:13:42.440 What kind of threats are you getting when you're out there

02:13:45.040 saying what you're saying?

02:13:46.260 Interestingly, TikTok and Instagram, the clips made me famous,

02:13:49.820 not because I wanted to.

02:13:52.000 So if I'm going places, I'll get recognized. 1.00

02:13:54.400 But Muslims, even if they recognize me, will try to avoid me. 0.97

02:13:59.540 Because remember, unless it's a fanatic who wants to kill me, 0.99

02:14:02.720 they're not here to kill or go to jail.

02:14:05.200 right so if they even recognize me they won't come up to me right because again this stereotype 0.94

02:14:11.260 not all muslims are killers not all muslims are terrorists so i haven't run into the 10 yeah i 0.55

02:14:17.460 haven't run into them got it it's more like god yeah that's a very good thing yeah it's a very 0.89

02:14:22.060 good thing but yeah the number is closer to 25 based on counterterrorism experts by the way in

02:14:28.220 In regards to us, Assyrians, you know, the story about what happened with us.

02:14:34.780 You're a good storyteller.

02:14:36.400 You know how to break things down well. 1.00

02:14:38.540 I don't know if I can with Assyrians. 1.00

02:14:40.160 What happened to Assyrians?

02:14:42.060 We used to have a country, you know, the fall of Babel.

02:14:43.940 What happened to us?

02:14:45.540 If you're asking me from a theological perspective, because Old Testament history,

02:14:50.000 because it's not just prophecy, it's history.

02:14:52.960 Well, we're told in the book of Nahum, if you're asking me now, just as a Christian,

02:14:56.800 see the political landscape

02:14:59.840 from the revelation God has given

02:15:01.600 because that's the only source I have

02:15:02.980 if we can conjecture all we want

02:15:05.700 your opinion is just as good as mine

02:15:07.640 but if I believe the Bible is God's word

02:15:09.500 and this is God's perspective, he's a reality

02:15:11.380 the Lord will often

02:15:14.140 destroy nations

02:15:16.160 who've reached a limit of sin

02:15:18.120 of how much he tolerates

02:15:19.640 the Bible says there's like a debt ceiling

02:15:21.380 there's so much sin he tolerates and then that's over for you

02:15:23.740 so we're told in the book of Nahum

02:15:26.260 This is the judgment of Nineveh. 0.93

02:15:28.600 He says, because of the Assyrians being steeped,

02:15:31.380 and it's not just Assyrians, it's just this thing. 0.58

02:15:33.080 God does this with all the nations.

02:15:34.480 You can just start reading from Isaiah chapter 10 on,

02:15:37.800 all the way, you're going to see all the way to 19.

02:15:39.780 God has done about the judgment of all the nations, 0.95

02:15:41.720 like the Moabites, the Ammonites, the Babylonians. 0.98

02:15:44.760 Because why? God owns them all.

02:15:47.060 This is where people must read the Old Testament.

02:15:48.740 They go, oh, this book is the Old Testament, and he's the God of Israel.

02:15:51.780 If you read the Old Testament, God keeps saying,

02:15:53.740 I'm the God of all nations. 0.99

02:15:55.320 The reason why I'm working through Israel is to move them to worship me. 0.98

02:15:58.860 This is the theme in the Old Testament. 0.80

02:16:00.860 And point of fact, I want to ask you guys a question as I answer this one.

02:16:04.600 When is the last time you were told that there's another group

02:16:07.660 said to be God's people in the Old Testament besides Israel?

02:16:12.440 Because you're told that Israel is the people of God, right?

02:16:15.060 When is the last time someone told you that the very Old Testament says

02:16:17.680 there's another group that is said to be the people of God?

02:16:21.660 It's the very passage every Assyrian and his mother quotes.

02:16:24.600 that talks about Assyria and Egypt.

02:16:28.400 In Isaiah 19, 23 to 25,

02:16:31.000 specifically 25, it goes,

02:16:32.380 Egypt, my people.

02:16:34.820 Assyria, the work of my hands. 0.64

02:16:36.320 Israel, my inheritance. 0.60

02:16:38.180 Does that sound like a tribal God?

02:16:40.800 He says, Egypt is my people.

02:16:43.620 So when we read the Old Testament,

02:16:45.400 sometimes we're misreading it

02:16:47.360 due to particular theological dispositions

02:16:50.540 or political points of view.

02:16:52.720 The God of the Old Testament is quite clear.

02:16:54.600 The response of Israel was to be his priest, to lead the nations to him. 0.78

02:16:59.160 And do you know the one group of people that are the most attacked in the Old Testament are the Israelites. 0.82

02:17:05.620 Now, what that tells me is this is a brutally honest record.

02:17:09.600 Because if you're making up stories, you're going to sugarcoat things, right?

02:17:13.060 Are you talking about the Forgotten Nation of Prophecy by John Bucco?

02:17:16.320 No, no, I'm not talking about the book.

02:17:18.160 He wrote a book. I'm talking about Isaiah 19.

02:17:19.800 I get that, but he talks about that in the book, right?

02:17:21.880 Yeah, he's trying to focus on us.

02:17:23.700 I actually met him.

02:17:24.580 I think he went to be with the Lord.

02:17:25.640 Good man.

02:17:26.720 I don't know if he's still around.

02:17:27.580 I saw him years ago.

02:17:28.420 But my point being, I'm not talking about future per se.

02:17:32.380 God in the Old Testament talks about the nations and his love for them

02:17:37.200 and his desire to save them.

02:17:39.700 He doesn't talk about Israel.

02:17:41.340 The role of Israel in the Old Testament, as I'm preparing to answer your question,

02:17:45.300 because I want to give a context to the Old Testament.

02:17:47.080 Because if I just say, well, God says he's going to destroy Nineveh.

02:17:48.980 Oh, look at this.

02:17:49.680 This Old Testament.

02:17:50.360 No. 0.87

02:17:51.240 God says to the Israelites, you see what I do to nations? 0.89

02:17:53.640 I'm going to do worse to you if you don't toe the line. 0.68

02:17:57.000 That's why I know this book is, look, if I'm making up a book,

02:18:00.500 I want to make myself look as good as possible.

02:18:03.160 The people that are the thorn in God's eye that God has the hardest time with 0.99

02:18:07.780 are the Israelites. 0.74

02:18:08.360 So that tells me this is a brutally honest record that's not trying to sugarcoat

02:18:14.520 and make one people superior.

02:18:16.400 On the contrary, God keeps reminding them, 0.91

02:18:18.740 Do you dare discriminate against the Gentiles? 1.00

02:18:22.260 If a Gentile comes to live in your midst, 1.00

02:18:24.420 treat him as a native Israelite. 0.98

02:18:26.800 He's not less than you.

02:18:28.120 And I can give you the receipts.

02:18:30.140 So with that in the context,

02:18:32.160 because what is God's heart for Assyria?

02:18:33.900 He doesn't want Assyria to die.

02:18:35.720 Isaiah 19, 23 to 25 tells you.

02:18:38.300 There'll be a highway between the land of Egypt and Assyria, 0.96

02:18:40.600 and then he goes, Assyria, the work of my hands. 0.90

02:18:44.540 the book of jonah is all about god wanting no nation to perish not even the syrians because

02:18:52.200 he said to jonah give them 40 days 40 days and the great sin in them will be destroyed

02:18:56.540 but when they turn to national repentance god turned back from his wrath and then jonah says

02:19:02.160 something interesting if you go to jonah chapter 4 verses 1 to 3 if you open up specifically to

02:19:06.940 you look what he says he goes see i know this is the kind of god you are and that's why i wanted

02:19:11.560 to run because I want you to destroy them because I knew if they repented, you would forgive them

02:19:14.780 because that's the kind of God you are. You don't want anyone to perish. His hatred for the Assyrians

02:19:19.780 was so great that he knew if he reached them and they turned, God would spare them because God loves

02:19:25.480 all people. And this is the God of the Old Testament because people always go to the New

02:19:29.540 Testament. No, I'll show you from the Old Testament, it's the same God. So if you open up Jonah chapter

02:19:33.300 four, verse one to three, you're going to see it. So this is the context in which I will put

02:19:37.700 the book of Nahum. Jonah 4.

02:19:40.580 And Jonah knows it.

02:19:42.860 Now, when I look at you handsome

02:19:44.400 warriors, I can see why he wanted you guys wiped out. 0.96

02:19:47.460 You were a thorn in the 0.95

02:19:48.480 side of his people. But look what he says.

02:19:50.840 Jonah 4, verses

02:19:52.360 1 to 3. You can open up just Jonah chapter 4.

02:19:55.860 Yeah, that's it.

02:19:57.100 You don't need to put chapter 4, I think.

02:19:58.620 You just put Jonah and then 4.

02:20:00.700 It's like, man, I can't keep up with this guy. 1.00

02:20:03.020 It's not my fault you're not a Syrian, brother. 1.00

02:20:05.740 Now watch your...

02:20:06.420 But to Jonah, this seemed very wrong, and he became angry.

02:20:10.020 Angry at what?

02:20:10.620 He didn't destroy the Ninevites. 1.00

02:20:12.300 He didn't destroy all the Jidus, right?

02:20:15.200 He prayed to the Lord.

02:20:16.780 Isn't this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home?

02:20:19.260 Meaning, isn't that what I reasoned myself, that if they turned, you would spare them?

02:20:23.020 Now why? 0.99

02:20:24.440 That is why I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish.

02:20:27.400 I knew that you are gracious.

02:20:29.920 This is getting way too theological for me now.

02:20:33.220 So let me see if there's anything else here. I think that's pretty much it with respect to

02:20:42.060 the contradictions. Yeah, because then he speaks about Assyrians and the Bible and Assyrians and

02:20:49.880 Genco, which I mean, if you guys are interested, you can go and finish watching the podcast.

02:20:58.040 um it's patrick bet david um episode 684 sam shamoon reveals quran and prophet muhammad

02:21:07.680 contradictions so um it's at the one hour 55 minute mark so there you go guys thanks for

02:21:17.460 joining i hope that um you know i know some of you wanted me to to speak about religion again

02:21:24.220 Like I'm, that's not my area of expertise, but I hope that this podcast was interesting.

02:21:32.160 I certainly learned one or two new things, but, you know, pretty much reaffirmed what I know,

02:21:39.920 especially when it comes to the connection with Islamic terrorism, right? 0.84

02:21:49.540 and sort of the, the radical take and the radical aspect of it. So yeah, it was, it was definitely 0.99

02:21:56.820 interesting. It was more of a good reminder. I mean, I guess like a refresher for me because

02:22:04.020 as someone who, you know, has dealt with the Islamic Republic occupying Iran and Sharia law,

02:22:13.840 yeah, like, you know, we, we kind of know all this stuff anyway. We don't really talk about it,

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Goldie Ghamari - December 10, 2025

Sam Shamoun： Contradictions in Islam

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