00:09:52.780Like, that's not a fun experience for any human being.
00:09:55.900Just like psychologically, our nervous system is like, that's not, it's not a good time.
00:10:00.200I'm sure it's not. And I'm hearing it sounds like that was maybe a little bit earlier in your journey, if you will, down this rabbit hole. So definitely, that would be even more that would, I mean, to the average Canadian, what, you know, some people might call, quote, unquote, a normie. Yeah, like walking into that would be like a punch right in the face. Whereas when you've kind of been around that stuff for a while, and you see, maybe you could approach it from a different way.
00:10:25.260yeah yeah so you know i was a media nerd like as i said i went i went to media studies in school so
00:10:31.620i knew all about like you know the bigger the first small red pill for me was trudeau getting
00:10:37.380elected and just kind of seeing how the propaganda was working in that 2015 election campaign because
00:10:42.580i thought like this guy's really unqualified for the job and um i was just seeing steven harper
00:10:48.520get demonized in such a like radical way it was just like how wow um but on the other hand the
00:10:54.900the next red pill was that's when I started to follow politics with Justin Trudeau because I
00:10:59.740thought it was very interesting and and then it was the Faith Goldie campaign for Toronto mayor
00:11:07.520where I saw major parts of like the mass media institution totally fail and I learned all about
00:11:15.700this in school of how important the CRTC rules are if and these are the rules that dictate you
00:11:20.280know uh mass media like tv and radio and in college for radio it got drilled into me if you
00:11:26.740break the crtc rules you're dead you're like you cannot do that and then i was working in radio
00:11:32.960selling advertising and there's very specific crtc rules for advertising during election campaigns
00:11:38.580and my boss was like if you break these rules you're dead don't break the rules and then during
00:11:44.320the election campaign for faith goldie lover or hater she was the only person talking about the
00:11:49.880rising crime rates in uh the rising like you know gun crime rates in in in toronto and um then bell
00:11:57.120media said we're not gonna play your ads and gave her her money back this is like 20 000 in ad money
00:12:04.380on am 10 10 i believe was that was the uh the radio platform and and not only did i see this
00:12:09.940happen where they're essentially breaking the rules after that nicholas no one cared like no
00:12:16.600one was talking so i just felt insane i like i'm this media nerd seeing this happen and i'm like
00:12:20.940duh what like uh you're not allowed to do that i was told that by you know people who who work in
00:12:27.360radio i was told that by the radio college that i went to one of the best in the country shouts
00:12:31.240out to fanshaw college i know that maybe fanshaw college doesn't want me to associate with them
00:12:35.700but too bad uh but um yeah and then on top of that the other kind of thing that added insult
00:12:42.300to injury i guess was the cbc the public broadcaster i was told in university that this
00:12:48.160broadcaster is there to make sure that we uphold a mass media conversation fair conversation during
00:12:54.100an election so we can have a healthy democracy and then during this toronto mayoral campaign
00:12:59.280cbc posted this weird article that was more like a press release or this weird like public relations
00:13:04.200thing and they're like we are cbc we love democracy we love doing debates for the toronto mayoral
00:13:11.200debate but they were not doing one this year and like they didn't really give a reason why they
00:13:16.200weren't doing one uh and then so i saw okay so i saw the private institution fail i saw crtc fail
00:13:22.200and i saw the cbc fail so to me it was honestly a very kind of i had this like i thought of like my
00:13:29.040grandfather who fought in world war ii believe it or not and it was like this weird sort of like
00:13:34.240is this is this like my fight because i'm not going to be able to ignore this um this is like
00:13:41.260clear cracks in our democracy and if these crtc rules don't mean anything and large corporations
00:13:50.040like bell media can just evade them if they want to then what the does any of these rules mean
00:13:55.120so right yeah well and i'm just gonna throw put up highlight a comment that came in we were
00:14:02.180talking about that so you know real issues must be discussed and backed by numbers and facts
00:14:06.340i agree in principle but what you've just been talking about the last couple minutes is exactly
00:14:11.420what the legacy media is not doing i mean how often do you hear facts and numbers like actual
00:14:18.180facts and real issues no it's always these you know these platitudes are like oh he's racist like
00:14:25.340well who i mean really who cares if he if p is the ppc racist or not in a way who cares are they
00:14:31.720right or not or are they're presenting facts are those facts correct or not i i notice you know
00:14:38.440that we're gonna get to the hate crime stuff but seems like the hate crime stuff you never hear
00:14:43.560them say that they're lying or they're wrong they just say oh they're a hater they're racist or
00:14:47.520whatever because they they can't argue the actual uh facts or or numbers yeah yeah no it's it's uh
00:14:55.580it's so annoying it's so annoying you make a really good point there though that you know
00:15:00.620with sort of trudeau the trudeau reign of 10 years his politics have has i don't think i don't
00:15:06.860think a lot of conservatives really appreciate how much his politics and his like his moral lens
00:15:12.520his liberal moral lens has totally infected the entire country so now like you said it's you know
00:15:19.800is there a horrible crime happening is there a horrible homelessness is there a horrible like
00:15:24.960death and destruction that we're enabling overseas it's like whoa hold on are you racist and sexist
00:15:29.700because that's actually what's most important if you said something that's offensive or something
00:15:34.240like that that's literally the uh prevailing sort of uh i don't know barometer like that's
00:15:41.240the most important like indicator for anything now and it pains me so much to see right-wingers
00:15:48.460or conservative leaders prescribe to that they're like well actually we need to make sure if we're
00:15:53.760racist or sexist or not that's the most important thing for us and it's like you you need to throw
00:15:57.840out that completely and create a new moral paradigm i'm so tired of being stuck in this
00:16:04.900justin trudeau moral paradigm and anytime i see a conservative prescribed to it or say you know
00:16:10.220the media is going to do this to us and it's like we're already losing we're already giving in
00:16:14.840to the trudeau politics or like the woke as people like to say yet they somehow still justify uh
00:16:21.620catering to it and submitting to it uh most importantly which is really um you know it's
00:16:27.360just right it's not even a losing battle it's like it's us admitting defeat in a way it's like
00:16:32.040it is it's absolutely it's it's uh surrendering that ground to them but i i just wanted this
00:16:38.340highlight was this comment was highlighted while we were talking i just i wanted to actually
00:16:42.260respond to this from edgd tv thanks for watching i've noticed your comments on a lot of my videos
00:16:47.720so thanks for watching so asking do you have any opinions on the late and great canadian lawyer
00:16:52.100Doug Christie. Could you be the next great free speech defense lawyer? Well, interesting little
00:16:58.260anecdote. My mom actually grew up down the street from Doug Christie. And I remember her telling me
00:17:06.100when I was much younger that she thought he was really weird because as a teenager, something
00:17:11.940he'd walk around in the neighborhood with either a Canadian flag, which at that time was the red
00:17:20.100ensign or a British Union Jack, which back then was actually technically the official flag of
00:17:25.420Canada. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with that. But I mean, I never met him. I don't know
00:17:37.460him personally, but I think he did good work fighting for, you know, against these laws that
00:17:47.920really stifle not just free speed it stifles discussion of of issues like there's certain
00:17:55.180topics that you're just not allowed to discuss and uh you know you know terms like the science
00:18:01.200is settled but even non-science type of things right there's historical issues you're not allowed
00:18:06.420to discuss there's one defined uh explanation i mean that's not history or science that's religious
00:18:14.480dogma in my view i mean because that's how religious dogma works where it's clearly defined
00:18:20.920you know in in catholicism for example the pope will formally define a dogma and now if you're
00:18:25.760catholic you have to believe that there's no no difference which okay in a religion that's fine
00:18:30.760but that's not how history and science work so could you give us a quick uh rundown lesson of
00:18:36.500doug christie and and why he is like a famous pro free speech lawyer well i think doug christie is
00:18:42.860probably best known uh because he defended um uh well so like the the big names like ernst zendel
00:18:54.160uh that's probably his most famous one uh paul from would be another big one
00:18:59.620um i mean ernst zendel that was one of the first times that these hate crime
00:19:04.360laws got really put to the test so ernst zendel i haven't read up on him recently so i'm just
00:19:11.080trying to trying to go off memory and people can correct me in the comments box if I'm wrong
00:19:15.240but Ernst Zundel uh he was someone who wrote a lot of pamphlets and I think he wrote some books
00:19:21.560as well where he was um calling into question uh the official narrative of uh what's I guess
00:19:30.320popular referred to as is the holocaust um holocaust I don't know if I've heard of that
00:19:35.900Yeah, I mean, I hesitate. The only reason I hesitate in using the word Holocaust is because from a religious perspective, that actually has a very specific meaning of a religious offering to God.
00:19:49.820So putting on my hat as a Catholic person, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the use of that term for anything other than like crucifixion of God.
00:19:59.560but which would be the only anyway before we get that we're probably getting a bit off topic there
00:20:04.220but we'll use the holocaust because that's what everyone knows it as uh the shoah it's also called
00:20:09.580um so i i know he did um uh he he issued one of his pamphlets was did six million really die
00:20:18.160so of course for asking that question he was uh accused of hate crime now of course
00:20:25.360it would be open and closed case now because now it's specifically defined you cannot question any
00:20:32.380aspect of the official holocaust narrative although i think as we discussed on your show
00:20:36.360and i've said on my own video that trouble i have is i don't even know what the like how much of the
00:20:42.160official narrative what are you allowed to question what aren't you because they don't define what
00:20:46.080exactly that is but i imagine i think it's safe to say that the number six million is part of that
00:20:51.880you can't question that and certainly he so he was brought to court doug christie i mean it got
00:20:57.240appealed all the way to the supreme court and i think the reason the zindel case is so well known
00:21:02.040is because he was actually acquitted because he's able to raise a reasonable doubt that some of his
00:21:07.000arguments were true he brought in this guy fred loyster who was an expert in gas chambers and
00:21:12.980for the united states government gas chambers for executing uh people and um and he testified
00:21:20.620before the supreme court and other lower courts like look like i've examined certain doors or
00:21:28.360things and uh and he was of the view that that you couldn't actually uh you couldn't actually
00:21:35.560exterminate all these people the the way it said so anyway he got acquitted is it's been years since
00:21:40.800i've read the supreme court decision but you know it's an interesting one because the supreme court
00:21:45.300of the time their decision was essentially we find his views extremely odious and distasteful
00:21:52.500however we're forced to say that he should be acquitted because this is how the law is written
00:21:57.860and he has brought this evidence and we think that this is you know we think this is quackery but it
00:22:04.180raises a reasonable doubt i paraphrase of course but i think that's probably the big one why uh
00:22:11.620doug christie is well known i mean it far from the only only case that he did you know i have
00:22:17.300all these uh pamphlets about how um the whole lot of more didn't happen i've been handing those out
00:22:23.860with no problem haven't had any troubles i'm i'm just kidding my my point is is like if you were
00:22:30.740to talk about if you were to down what's the terminology i have it right here uh yeah willful
00:22:36.660promotion of anti-semitism everyone who by communicating statements other than in private
00:22:40.100conversation willfully promotes anti-semitism by condoning denying or downplaying those are the
00:22:46.080three uh what are those verbs terms um but you could probably condone deny or downplay the
00:22:54.200halotomor or the armenian genocide in various ways and you know i'm sure there wouldn't be as
00:23:00.020much uh heat uh for doing that which is interesting which is yeah well the halotomor is interesting i
00:23:07.160would say before russia invaded the ukraine you could question as much as you want now that russia
00:23:14.960has invaded ukraine and it's part of the current thing maybe you'd get in more trouble for that i
00:23:21.960don't know it's it's an interesting question i mean um and i i just i don't know do i maybe
00:23:28.780people do question i mean most people just don't even know about it i'd say that's the number one
00:23:33.380thing as the average person they just have no idea that this even happened it's it's interesting
00:23:38.380to think uh you know those some of those guys you may have saw this in hamilton recently they had
00:23:43.240like the black block and they uh they had a mass deportation sign it's interesting to think how
00:23:49.200they would have been treated five years ago doing that um because you know like because because the
00:23:55.040climate has changed and i feel like you're kind of like alluding to this how unfortunately in our
00:24:00.780fair justice system and totally cool and totally real democracy depending on the political climate
00:24:07.840you might have these certain speech laws enforced more against you depending on you know depending
00:24:15.660on what time it is depending on what season it is but depending on the trends of what in what is in
00:24:20.580and what is not in would you say that's yeah fair to say oh yeah unfortunately that i mean i think
00:24:26.700the evidence on the ground backs you up on that is that it seems to be since the the law is so
00:24:35.180it's vaguely worded so it it leaves it open to this vague interpretation and
00:24:41.100and yeah it and i mean also depends on what people are going to complain to the police
00:24:46.500about as well right so that will also i think hot topics will make it more likely for people
00:24:54.060to complain to the police but i think it might also make it more likely for the police to lay
00:24:59.040charges now i haven't crunched actual numbers so i hedged that a bit of saying that i don't i
00:25:05.960haven't actually looked into it but i think you know whenever i point out instances of anti-christian
00:25:14.000hatred like burning down churches or tearing down monuments vandalizing churches running up to
00:25:20.440people yelling i hate white people and punching them in the face and those don't result in hate
00:25:24.540crime charges people say oh you know that you're just crazy you live in this fantasy world where
00:25:29.560christians are persecuted and they're not charged but i mean i think those are real instances and
00:25:34.740i've never ever even heard of someone being charged for anti-christian or anti-white hate
00:25:40.760crimes it seems like it's only against certain groups that the law gets enforced and that just
00:25:46.920i mean aside from maybe inherent problems with the law itself that just completely undermines
00:25:52.420any kind of respect for the law by the fact that i think people can see maybe they don't all
00:25:59.500internalize it but people see that these laws are not being applied equally across the board
00:26:04.880and it just brings the law into doubt by virtue of that fact yeah i mean and the mainstream sort of
00:26:13.780i would even yeah i would call it hatred i guess the the mainstream like hatred towards white
00:26:19.240people is like the key word it's mainstream you know like there's a book called uh you know white
00:26:26.260guilt uh white fragility yeah that one i like imagine a book called like jewish guilt or jewish
00:26:34.400fragility or something like this like like you know these the white fragility totally mainstream
00:26:40.040bestseller new york times bestseller you know if you were to flip that script it's like not only0.77
00:26:44.880would you not be a bestseller like you'd probably get thrown in jail you get thrown in a cellar
00:26:48.880you know like it's uh yeah you'd be charged anyway i mean whether you'd be convicted or not
00:26:53.420it well it might it would might depend on the facts but that that just raises another
00:26:58.520interesting point it segway goes back a little bit to what edgy d tv was asking about you know
00:27:03.320will i be the the next uh could i be the next great free speech defense lawyer i mean i don't
00:27:09.800know people that if people want to hire me I'd be definitely very interested and highly motivated
00:27:14.300in doing those cases but I haven't been hired in any of those cases and unfortunately the cases
00:27:19.140that I've seen people have either tried representing themselves or they've hired
00:27:24.180lawyers that I mean I don't know the lawyers so maybe they were excellent but I don't think they
00:27:31.180were people that were necessarily thinking the same way which you don't always need a lawyer
00:27:35.400who thinks the same way as you do but on a such a politically charged topic it may be a benefit to
00:27:40.500have someone that is a little bit more uh on your side if we could say it that way uh because some
00:27:49.060of the defense the defenses i would run i haven't seen run usually the defenses are they they just
00:27:56.960completely surrender the ground that it is hate speech and then they just argue it wasn't me i
00:28:03.620didn't mean the jews i met someone else when i said the tribe or whatever i've seen that defense
00:28:08.620or they try some sovereign citizen nonsense so for example um i forgot his first name patron or
00:28:16.540patron i'm not sure his last name is found so the guy used to be the leader of the nationalist party
00:28:20.760of canada he went with a a self-represented sovereign citizen defense which predictably
00:28:28.060failed horribly because contrary to what the sovereign citizens say on their websites they
00:28:33.160never win in court um every yeah and actually it's not even real man i'm not even a real citizen
00:28:41.200man well it's a real jail cell sir it's a real yeah well and and mr patron's in a real jail cell
00:28:46.660but so he tried arguing this whole like i'm not subject to the law because i'm a sovereign citizen
00:28:50.900so he never even tried fighting he never even tried fighting that it did what he it was what
00:28:57.380he said even even hate crime same with um uh the uh so hey chapu case in in quebec i mean that guy
00:29:06.060went to jail for a couple years for writing articles and again his argument was it wasn't
00:29:11.260me essentially rather than saying these articles aren't actually hate crimes so i i would be
00:29:16.600interested to see how would these cases do if it wasn't conceded that it's hate crime and actually
00:29:22.120fought it out and said no look here like the definition of hate crime i think you did a
00:29:26.960reaction video to to my uh video where i where i looked through the definition i mean it's you've
00:29:32.760got to be saying some pretty bad stuff like calling for genocide or just such vilification that it
00:29:38.840could be leading to people causing harm so you know i i i would love to to try that argument
00:29:46.640myself i i just haven't been retained by anyone and partly that's also because these people are
00:29:52.080different places i can't practice in quebec uh because i'm licensed in ontario um i could
00:29:58.400practice uh like there's reciprocity agreements so all the western provinces ontario and nova
00:30:04.200scotia i can practice in all of those provinces because they all have uh agreements i got i got
00:30:11.320a couple questions for you i want to ask you about if you've been following what's been happening in
00:30:16.800the uk with their online harms bill i believe it's called um have you been following that at all
00:30:24.860i haven't so i'll let you run with that a bit no i mean i i only know kind of like the broad
00:30:30.500brushstrokes of different instances of people getting um arrested for being at protests or
00:30:37.120saying things or uh just quite mundane things that just allude to you know opposing
00:30:46.460mass immigration or kind of you know crying out what happened to uh this you know young uk three
00:30:54.460you young k girls who got murdered by the uh you know by the offspring of a of a migrant and um
00:31:01.580it wasn't like calling for violence or anything was it was more like kind of complaining and just
00:31:07.540talking about it and opposing mass immigration so which is what they say the online harms act
00:31:13.820in canada will not do it's like we will not use this against people who have the wrong politics
00:31:18.000and it's like okay well a bill with almost the exact same name in the uk is doing precisely that
00:31:24.040uh yeah and i wish i wish more canadians would take advantage of the fact that we can look at
00:31:31.600different countries in europe to like see our future you know and and like i don't see why
00:31:36.700we don't do that like all the time because there's there's a lot of like very valuable
00:31:40.640pieces of information for example the mainstream conservative party they say they're going to save
00:31:45.800you and then they keep the tap on for mass immigration like you can count so many different
00:31:49.900european countries but well you don't even need to look at other european countries you just need
00:31:53.780to look at canadian history to see i mean that you know the whole conservative party thing has
00:31:58.500people not infrequently i mean i don't actually outwardly support any political party i mean i
00:32:04.740just try to present facts and um you know i mean i've had maxime bernier on the show twice but
00:32:12.260that's because he's the only political party leader who's willing to come on my show
00:32:16.820we've reached out to uh uh well richard can correct me if i'm wrong i know for sure we've
00:32:21.940reached out to the conservative party of canada and just crickets and response i think we actually
00:32:26.260even reached out to the liberal party and of course like just no response so it's not like i'm
00:32:31.140I'm, you know, just trying to pump up the PPC.
00:32:34.380I mean, hey, he's willing to come on the show and talk to me.
00:32:37.240But with respect to the Conservative Party, I mean, I am unrepentant or unapologetic and saying, look, I've seen this movie before.
00:39:44.680I remember he said Hitler had to fry those guys was part of his his his quote.
00:39:50.180Now, he was acquitted, though, because they said it wasn't willful because he just kind of blurted this out out of frustration of being really pestered by these reporters.
00:39:59.020But I've always thought that would be a fantastic case to use as a precedent to say that, you know, that a lot of these comments aren't hate crime because it was partly they blurted out.
00:40:11.940But they also said it wasn't, it didn't meet that test that I, you know, that I talked about in episode 16. So the court, some of the comments here, they said his remarks were revolting, disgusting and untrue, but they did not constitute promoting hatred.
00:40:27.440so i i you've got precedents like that that's why i think i i would love to do a case where i i the
00:40:35.360argument is look this doesn't meet the test of hate crime rather than it wasn't me or i wasn't
00:40:40.760talking about them i was talking about someone else interesting interesting so you would attack
00:40:47.480it on the grounds of it not being hate speech i guess i guess i'm kind of like
00:40:54.280the willful promotion of what's the what's the one with the lowest threshold
00:41:01.540willful promotion yeah willful promotion of hatred right um that's interesting did you happen
00:41:10.200to see uh the video that i posted today about um it was a song about um i did i did let's uh i know
00:41:19.840Richard's got it queued up he's been waiting for it because for for educational and academic
00:41:24.480purposes we'll play it and then we'll talk about whether that might run afoul of hate crime laws
00:48:54.800So I thought it was like such an incomplete perception of free speech in Canada.
00:48:58.180If you're not going to talk about the people who are being dragged through the court systems for not wanting to, you know, for opposing mandates, you know, what, what is like, what are your, what are your thoughts on that sort of perspective on things of like, you know, aside from speech laws, but just like the actual sort of application of criminal law towards people that maybe the government doesn't really like that much.
00:49:18.840well it's a huge problem i think for the government to be criminalizing people that
00:49:25.860they don't agree with uh well i let me put it's certainly not freedom and democracy
00:49:31.560it might be something else um i guess i shouldn't say in principle could there never be a circumstance
00:49:38.820where the government should go after people i mean i i'm i'm hesitant to say that because i'm
00:49:43.920not sure that it was necessary that much of a bad thing when say for example uh senator mccarthy
00:49:49.280went after communists uh in the united states uh so but it's certainly not freedom and democracy
00:49:57.120i mean it's hypocritical we say oh we're such a free and democratic society well we're not but
00:50:02.640you know it all comes back to having the right principles i think is also also the key uh so
00:50:09.080So, yeah, it's a very, you know, that's a difficult and nuanced thing.
00:50:15.040All I can say is the laws that when I look at the law in our books and the charter that we have written, these things are clearly not consistent with that.
00:50:23.360And it's not consistent with how we present our country as this beacon of freedom and democracy.
00:50:30.900Well, I think in 2024, freedom and democracy basically doesn't mean anything anymore because it's not just Canada.
00:50:37.200It's everywhere where this stuff is going on.
00:50:38.940I mean, in Germany, again, you talk about looking at other countries to see what's going on there.
00:50:44.840Germany, for example, I mean, alternative for Deutschland is looks like they're poised to maybe even win the next election.
00:50:52.440So they're scrambling to outlaw that party because they don't accept their views, even though their views are clearly popular.
00:51:01.580I mean, that's why they're polling so well.
00:51:04.260So, you know, if you actually believe in democracy, then, well, isn't that the will of the people?
00:51:08.780But, you know, that's why I say democracy doesn't even mean any, if it ever did mean anything, it was anything other than a slogan, which I'm not sure that it was, because I would argue that that like medieval peasants had more democracy than we have in terms of like actual like local.
00:51:25.160No, I'm not joking. Like, literally, they did in terms of self-determination and being able to just live your life free without the government telling you what to do and being able to, I mean, democracy in terms of self-determination.
00:51:38.520They had, I would say they had more self-determination on a lot of topics than we do. And I guarantee you, no one went to jail for saying mean things about other people.
00:51:47.880Now, I mean, that raises the whole Inquisition thing, which I've been meaning to do a show on that because the Inquisition is actually fascinating.
00:51:53.740and a lot of our most people don't know this but a lot of our procedures and the most fair
00:51:59.460procedures actually come from the inquisition and the inquisition had all kinds of fascinating
00:52:03.700things like even after someone was convicted they wouldn't carry out the sentence for a whole year
00:52:08.700and they would every month or so they would re-question the witnesses to make sure they
00:52:14.140didn't change their evidence to make sure this was 100 legit that the person actually said that
00:52:19.260and um and you know they would go to the person to see like you know are you going to repent of
00:52:26.240this and you'd always get you know it's it's a different thing though because you know that's
00:52:31.400within the religious realm it's not a civil thing and i think the religious realm is different
00:52:35.640because it only applied to people who profess themselves as catholics contrary to what a lot
00:52:40.180of the propaganda says like jews muslims non-christians the inquisition had nothing to
00:52:45.840do with them i think religions have the right to police their own belief systems because otherwise0.79
00:52:51.020you get the insanity that you see today where you know they're all changing what they believe
00:52:55.340forever you know it's anyway that's getting that that's a rabbit hole maybe to go down another
00:53:02.500time but i you know it is a fascinating thing when you you know i've studied some some history on
00:53:08.820that but uh that said for the reasons that we started early we're getting to the point where
00:53:14.680we're going to have to, to wrap this up. So I will, I will give you, you know, a couple minutes
00:53:23.420if there's something else you wanted to add to the conversation we've had so far before I wrap
00:53:26.780it up. Yeah, I just had a few thoughts of, you know, you were bringing up the speech laws and
00:53:31.720how back in the day, it was chart, it was used in a way of like, hey, you're saying mean things
00:53:36.720about the French, you're seeing saying mean things about the Quebecois or whatever it might
00:53:41.300have been. And it's interesting that the same law exists today. And that's almost like an absurd
00:53:46.860idea that the French would be like, you know, the identifiable group that would be treated as the
00:53:52.580victim. And I guess I bring that up because I think the most concerning thing about implementing
00:53:57.460something like the Online Harms Act is the fact of the matter that it creates a bigger toolkit
00:54:03.160to be used by the state or by the citizens to use against one another. And you never know what
00:54:10.620things might look like down the road and you never know how it might be used or weaponized
00:54:15.140and like what what creeps me out is how sure they have some of these words defined somewhat
00:54:21.740but it's almost like the definitions of words change as as things go on you know like it's
00:54:28.740very interesting this is like a whole rabbit hole so we don't have to dwell on it too long but
00:54:32.340um from the river to the sea palestine will be free that was like that was called by some people
00:54:39.960that's a call to genocide it's like so a call for freedom is a call for genocide so it's like okay
00:54:45.100so that equals this and it's like it's just it's just spooky to imagine how that could be used and
00:54:51.760how definitions could be changed in the future for example even in the definition of detestation and
00:54:56.540vilification maybe they just take one little thing here and say well actually that's that's
00:55:00.680textbook vilification you know like you never know what kind of president could be set culturally in
00:55:06.340the like political environment that could then be used and leveraged into uh you know a political
00:55:11.460charge or i guess i should say a criminal charge criminal speech charge
00:55:14.700yeah yeah i think those are those are good points and yeah that's why it's always so important for
00:55:23.780people to pay attention because a lot of these laws just get passed when no one's paying attention
00:55:27.840i mean and again the holocaust denial law most people don't even know that that law passed
00:55:32.220almost no one knows that that was a that started out as a conservative party of canada private
00:55:37.020members bill so don't fool yourself and think that the conservative party has anything to do
00:55:42.400with being the the party of free speech if that's something that you're you're concerned about i'm
00:55:46.720totally kicking myself because i saw when that holocaust denial thing got slipped into the budget
00:55:51.860it was like right before i think or right during or right after the trucker convoy in 2022 and i
00:55:57.680meant to do a quick tick tock about it but i never did and it was going to be like hi i'm your
00:56:02.840conservative party candidate are you worried about the cost of living and vaccine mandates
00:56:07.140yeah that's exactly why we need to talk about the holocaust and like because it was just like so out
00:56:14.200of left field when this was passed like no one's talking about this at all but it gets like there
00:56:18.380it is slipped into the law under uh under criminal hate speech it's totally well totally absurd but
00:56:23.500you're absolutely right people need to pay attention yeah and that's what a lot of this
00:56:26.840stuff does and i think it's i i think it should not be permissible to slip things like that into
00:56:33.540a budget bill a budget bill should just be about the budget you shouldn't be able to vary uh any
00:56:39.040of the laws but that's that's a whole other topic so greg uh thank you very much for uh for joining
00:56:45.660us uh i forgot to mention at the beginning uh we started early i when i do live streams i'm not
00:56:51.780going to be doing them at eight o'clock because I just get home way too late when I do that.
00:56:56.880Stay tuned to when we're going to do that. We're not going to have a live stream in January because
00:57:00.240I've done three in December. I'm taking some Christmas holiday time. So we'll be back with
00:57:04.940the live streams on the first Thursday of every month, starting in February. But yeah, thanks
00:57:12.520again, Greg. As always, video is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, call a lawyer. My number
00:57:17.600and a website on the ticker on the bottom there.
00:57:21.120And, of course, we're always open to suggestions,
00:57:24.320suggestions of be they guests, be they topics.
00:57:27.360Hopefully, Greg, we can get together again
00:57:29.040because I've greatly enjoyed both of our talks,