Greg Wycliffe - Canada's Hate Speech Laws🔴LIVE Interview w⧸ Nicholas Wansbutter from @DontTalkTV 🔴#stopbillc63

00:00:00.000 so the month of live streams that december seems to become continues we've got another

00:00:09.220 special guest uh kind of returning the favor i was on greg whitecliffe's show

00:00:13.080 i guess it was last week feels long ago i've been so busy lately uh now we're having him on don't

00:00:18.680 talk tv so i think we're gonna have an interesting chat maybe continuing some of the themes that we

00:00:22.780 had uh when i was on his show talking about the hate crime laws we've got in canada and uh if you

00:00:29.060 missed us if you tuned in at eight o'clock you're watching replay sorry about that but just some

00:00:33.520 real life stuff happened with me so we just we had to i couldn't stay as late as i have been staying

00:00:38.960 so nevertheless uh if you're joining us live or joining us on the replay thank you for joining us

00:00:45.680 and i think you're gonna enjoy this one

00:00:47.440 hello my name is nicholas wandsbutter i'm a lawyer in strafford ontario canada and welcome

00:01:05.260 to don't talk tv and welcome to greg wycliffe uh to don't talk tv uh greg thanks for joining us

00:01:11.720 thanks so much for having me i'm gonna get you to tell us a bit about you i mean i know you're

00:01:17.500 kind of an alternate media personality journalist comedian we might get into a little bit of your

00:01:24.480 stuff but i know a lot of your viewers are probably watching on your stream but for don't

00:01:29.180 talk tv viewers could you just give us a quick little synopsis of who you are and what you're

00:01:33.900 about sure i'm a canadian my name is greg i uh i grew up in canada went to university for media

00:01:41.680 studies went to college for radio broadcasting worked in radio a little bit uh worked in video

00:01:48.100 production a little bit got involved in politics ran for the ppc got smeared as racist horrible

00:01:54.680 experience started to create youtube content to counteract this misinformation and these smear

00:02:00.220 campaigns um covet happened after that 2019 election continued to make content um ended up

00:02:08.460 people started to call me a comedian because of some of my short you know angsty sort of uh

00:02:13.260 uh expressions of the absurdity of lockdowns and that sort of thing went to the um the trucker

00:02:18.860 convoy and started to interview people there posted online people started to call me a journalist

00:02:24.380 as well uh so now i do content creation and my most recent endeavor is savefreespeech.ca

00:02:31.580 which is educating people on bill c63 and other speech laws in canada and also exposing the sort

00:02:39.520 of smear merchants in canada and how they operate um because even with trudeau out you know there's

00:02:46.660 going to be a lot of this like managerial class people in these institutions who systematically

00:02:51.980 automatically uh censor and smear uh people they don't like or who have the wrong politics

00:02:57.860 but uh thank you so much for having me on Mr. Mr. Wandsbutter and uh yeah you being a lawyer

00:03:05.520 having experience with this exactly where the line is when it comes to free speech in Canada

00:03:11.840 is certainly what I'm interested in want to learn more about so I can uh you know navigate

00:03:16.820 the murky waters of Canada in 2024?

00:03:20.620 Well, you and me both, because even as a lawyer,

00:03:24.160 I'm not even totally sure where the line is.

00:03:27.020 And maybe we'll talk about that a little bit.

00:03:28.620 But I mean, part of the problem is the reason why the line is so unclear

00:03:32.680 is for something that I've been hammering for years on this channel.

00:03:37.160 It seems like every second episode I'm complaining about this

00:03:40.000 is the unequal application of the law or selective enforcement.

00:03:45.160 so that's why it's so unclear because you'll see stuff that you think might be a hate crime said

00:03:52.520 by one person and it's not considered a hate crime because of who they are and then you see

00:03:56.960 something that you think might be innocuous said by another person and that is considered a hate

00:04:01.520 crime and i think it's because of who they are so maybe we'll get into that a little bit but um

00:04:07.260 what what writing did you run in for the ppc i was in uh parkdale high park which is

00:04:14.700 right in the belly of the beast right in the belly of the beast man i got i got stories if

00:04:21.360 you want to hear them i mean i i had a 18 year old so so for those who don't know it's it's uh

00:04:25.900 on one end of the writing you have very affluent people who are champagne socialists they're very

00:04:31.300 well off and they unironically want to pay more taxes to help the poors or the poor people and

00:04:36.600 at the other end of the writing you have parkdale which is a more lower income area and they uh you 0.94

00:04:42.500 know they want they want socialism they want that because it's you know because they're they're down

00:04:47.880 on their luck obviously and um so it's a red and orange war zone between the ndp and the liberals

00:04:55.140 and i figured you know what i i'll run just to kind of platform the ppc ideas and to let people

00:05:01.260 know that there's like an alternative out there uh but really quick the greatest hits were i had

00:05:06.500 an 18 year old volunteer he spoke fluent polish by the way and we were going through a neighborhood

00:05:11.400 knocking on doors and i turn around and there's this grown man yelling at this guy yelling at 0.91

00:05:18.420 this 18 year old kid volunteer and he's like racist racist get out of here racist his his

00:05:24.460 his voice is like echoing off this is like a subdivision like you know suburb street 0.58

00:05:29.200 and i had to go up to him to be like uh do you mind sir like he's a volunteer he's 18

00:05:34.640 uh did you want to talk about something but this person was just totally hostile and they kind of

00:05:39.080 like backed away into their into their house but uh that's when i realized that you know propaganda

00:05:43.940 propaganda um and misinformation and like i guess you know a slight smear of like oh well the ppc

00:05:50.480 might have associations with you know the far right or they might have a that that snowballs

00:05:56.020 and manifests as something very very ugly uh in the world and the real world in the real social 0.96

00:06:01.300 life of canada um and uh yeah you know i had grannies who were like oh you're a young man 0.89

00:06:07.160 you're running for politics that's great who are you running for i'd say the ppc and she would 0.85

00:06:10.840 literally treat me like i had five heads like to discuss get the hell out of here you ruined my day

00:06:15.440 like like the reactions of people is actually like this hostile like they're possessed or

00:06:20.860 something it's very disturbing i had a uh a volunteer who was of indian heritage he had

00:06:25.660 vegetables thrown at him uh i went to a debate the environment debate actually two debates

00:06:31.100 where the communist party um did this huge demonstration to protest me being there

00:06:37.280 uh so it was really a trial trial by fire into the world of politics because uh i was like hey

00:06:45.900 i'm gonna represent you know the ppc and we you know that's we should stop the carbon tax we

00:06:51.420 should defund the cbc and uh you know we should stop mass immigration that was really not popular

00:06:56.640 at the time but um yeah yeah whereas now people now people would probably be saying you can count

00:07:02.880 on my vote if you talk about stopping immigration except for the fact that the liberals are already

00:07:08.700 on that vote now more so than the conservatives i mean i don't know i guess the conservatives or

00:07:13.780 maybe i i don't know i don't follow this stuff enough it's all it's all kind of puppet theater

00:07:18.560 to me our our have has uh pierre poll ever read the polls and uh revised his positions he's going

00:07:26.560 to be in power next so he wants to pander to the newcomers as far as i can tell i post clips all

00:07:31.960 the time i made a compilation of like here is pierre polyev supporting immigration or stopping

00:07:37.220 deportations for three minutes all these clips are within the last two years i played that on

00:07:42.500 an episode of don't talk tv actually not too long ago and you know i don't even know if these people

00:07:48.320 are real or not if they're bots or if they're just like paid conservative party shills but

00:07:52.400 they're like oh they're like no he supports it he supports it and that's like where's the clip

00:07:56.140 like you can't even find one clip of this guy opposing mass immigration like if he ever says

00:08:01.520 it he says it's a broken immigration system and we're gonna fix it long story short like he

00:08:06.760 pierre polyev will not make a clear statement of opposing mass immigration like he just won't do it

00:08:13.140 yet he'll say things like uh we need to give more uh firearms to the ukraine we support israel

00:08:20.680 embalming iran so he'll make bold statements on foreign conflicts but will not even say

00:08:25.560 what the majority of canadians now want which is to stop mass immigration it's absolutely feckless 0.54

00:08:31.120 and pathetic uh but but but i warn you like if we get on this topic then you know like i could

00:08:37.980 we're both going to go to jail well well it's uh it's more just i yeah don't get me started

00:08:44.160 oh we could just yeah we could probably talk about it although i would like to i would like

00:08:48.960 to bring up with you that one of their um their one of their they want to do their own version

00:08:54.760 of the online harms act and uh we can talk about that a bit later but yeah well i was going to say

00:09:02.080 I mean, in kind of a weird way, that election experience of yours, I mean, on one hand,

00:09:07.640 I'm sure it was probably very stressful, but in a way, it almost sounds kind of like hilariously

00:09:13.420 fun to be going out and just seeing like how outrageous and insane are people going to

00:09:18.040 be today as I walk around?

00:09:21.260 Oh, man.

00:09:22.300 You know, I think of it that way now, but at the time I was like a baby.

00:09:27.380 I was a toddler.

00:09:28.380 I was a little innocent sheep to politics.

00:09:30.200 So I was not thinking about it that way at the time.

00:09:33.200 I was, I was just kind of pushing through cause I was in campaign mode, but even like

00:09:37.940 after the election, you know, I don't want to sound like a little baby victim, but like

00:09:42.440 it was, it was traumatic.

00:09:43.760 It's traumatic to have a room full of 300 people in a church at a debate, like thinking

00:09:50.320 you're the evil bad man.

00:09:52.780 Like, that's not a fun experience for any human being.

00:09:55.900 Just like psychologically, our nervous system is like, that's not, it's not a good time.

00:10:00.200 I'm sure it's not. And I'm hearing it sounds like that was maybe a little bit earlier in your journey, if you will, down this rabbit hole. So definitely, that would be even more that would, I mean, to the average Canadian, what, you know, some people might call, quote, unquote, a normie. Yeah, like walking into that would be like a punch right in the face. Whereas when you've kind of been around that stuff for a while, and you see, maybe you could approach it from a different way.

00:10:25.260 yeah yeah so you know i was a media nerd like as i said i went i went to media studies in school so

00:10:31.620 i knew all about like you know the bigger the first small red pill for me was trudeau getting

00:10:37.380 elected and just kind of seeing how the propaganda was working in that 2015 election campaign because

00:10:42.580 i thought like this guy's really unqualified for the job and um i was just seeing steven harper

00:10:48.520 get demonized in such a like radical way it was just like how wow um but on the other hand the

00:10:54.900 the next red pill was that's when I started to follow politics with Justin Trudeau because I

00:10:59.740 thought it was very interesting and and then it was the Faith Goldie campaign for Toronto mayor

00:11:07.520 where I saw major parts of like the mass media institution totally fail and I learned all about

00:11:15.700 this in school of how important the CRTC rules are if and these are the rules that dictate you

00:11:20.280 know uh mass media like tv and radio and in college for radio it got drilled into me if you

00:11:26.740 break the crtc rules you're dead you're like you cannot do that and then i was working in radio

00:11:32.960 selling advertising and there's very specific crtc rules for advertising during election campaigns

00:11:38.580 and my boss was like if you break these rules you're dead don't break the rules and then during

00:11:44.320 the election campaign for faith goldie lover or hater she was the only person talking about the

00:11:49.880 rising crime rates in uh the rising like you know gun crime rates in in in toronto and um then bell

00:11:57.120 media said we're not gonna play your ads and gave her her money back this is like 20 000 in ad money

00:12:04.380 on am 10 10 i believe was that was the uh the radio platform and and not only did i see this

00:12:09.940 happen where they're essentially breaking the rules after that nicholas no one cared like no

00:12:16.600 one was talking so i just felt insane i like i'm this media nerd seeing this happen and i'm like

00:12:20.940 duh what like uh you're not allowed to do that i was told that by you know people who who work in

00:12:27.360 radio i was told that by the radio college that i went to one of the best in the country shouts

00:12:31.240 out to fanshaw college i know that maybe fanshaw college doesn't want me to associate with them

00:12:35.700 but too bad uh but um yeah and then on top of that the other kind of thing that added insult

00:12:42.300 to injury i guess was the cbc the public broadcaster i was told in university that this

00:12:48.160 broadcaster is there to make sure that we uphold a mass media conversation fair conversation during

00:12:54.100 an election so we can have a healthy democracy and then during this toronto mayoral campaign

00:12:59.280 cbc posted this weird article that was more like a press release or this weird like public relations

00:13:04.200 thing and they're like we are cbc we love democracy we love doing debates for the toronto mayoral

00:13:11.200 debate but they were not doing one this year and like they didn't really give a reason why they

00:13:16.200 weren't doing one uh and then so i saw okay so i saw the private institution fail i saw crtc fail

00:13:22.200 and i saw the cbc fail so to me it was honestly a very kind of i had this like i thought of like my

00:13:29.040 grandfather who fought in world war ii believe it or not and it was like this weird sort of like

00:13:34.240 is this is this like my fight because i'm not going to be able to ignore this um this is like

00:13:41.260 clear cracks in our democracy and if these crtc rules don't mean anything and large corporations

00:13:50.040 like bell media can just evade them if they want to then what the does any of these rules mean

00:13:55.120 so right yeah well and i'm just gonna throw put up highlight a comment that came in we were

00:14:02.180 talking about that so you know real issues must be discussed and backed by numbers and facts

00:14:06.340 i agree in principle but what you've just been talking about the last couple minutes is exactly

00:14:11.420 what the legacy media is not doing i mean how often do you hear facts and numbers like actual

00:14:18.180 facts and real issues no it's always these you know these platitudes are like oh he's racist like

00:14:25.340 well who i mean really who cares if he if p is the ppc racist or not in a way who cares are they

00:14:31.720 right or not or are they're presenting facts are those facts correct or not i i notice you know

00:14:38.440 that we're gonna get to the hate crime stuff but seems like the hate crime stuff you never hear

00:14:43.560 them say that they're lying or they're wrong they just say oh they're a hater they're racist or

00:14:47.520 whatever because they they can't argue the actual uh facts or or numbers yeah yeah no it's it's uh

00:14:55.580 it's so annoying it's so annoying you make a really good point there though that you know

00:15:00.620 with sort of trudeau the trudeau reign of 10 years his politics have has i don't think i don't

00:15:06.860 think a lot of conservatives really appreciate how much his politics and his like his moral lens

00:15:12.520 his liberal moral lens has totally infected the entire country so now like you said it's you know

00:15:19.800 is there a horrible crime happening is there a horrible homelessness is there a horrible like 0.96

00:15:24.960 death and destruction that we're enabling overseas it's like whoa hold on are you racist and sexist

00:15:29.700 because that's actually what's most important if you said something that's offensive or something

00:15:34.240 like that that's literally the uh prevailing sort of uh i don't know barometer like that's

00:15:41.240 the most important like indicator for anything now and it pains me so much to see right-wingers

00:15:48.460 or conservative leaders prescribe to that they're like well actually we need to make sure if we're

00:15:53.760 racist or sexist or not that's the most important thing for us and it's like you you need to throw

00:15:57.840 out that completely and create a new moral paradigm i'm so tired of being stuck in this

00:16:04.900 justin trudeau moral paradigm and anytime i see a conservative prescribed to it or say you know

00:16:10.220 the media is going to do this to us and it's like we're already losing we're already giving in

00:16:14.840 to the trudeau politics or like the woke as people like to say yet they somehow still justify uh

00:16:21.620 catering to it and submitting to it uh most importantly which is really um you know it's

00:16:27.360 just right it's not even a losing battle it's like it's us admitting defeat in a way it's like

00:16:32.040 it is it's absolutely it's it's uh surrendering that ground to them but i i just wanted this

00:16:38.340 highlight was this comment was highlighted while we were talking i just i wanted to actually

00:16:42.260 respond to this from edgd tv thanks for watching i've noticed your comments on a lot of my videos

00:16:47.720 so thanks for watching so asking do you have any opinions on the late and great canadian lawyer

00:16:52.100 Doug Christie. Could you be the next great free speech defense lawyer? Well, interesting little

00:16:58.260 anecdote. My mom actually grew up down the street from Doug Christie. And I remember her telling me

00:17:06.100 when I was much younger that she thought he was really weird because as a teenager, something

00:17:11.940 he'd walk around in the neighborhood with either a Canadian flag, which at that time was the red

00:17:20.100 ensign or a British Union Jack, which back then was actually technically the official flag of

00:17:25.420 Canada. I mean, I don't know what's wrong with that. But I mean, I never met him. I don't know

00:17:37.460 him personally, but I think he did good work fighting for, you know, against these laws that

00:17:47.920 really stifle not just free speed it stifles discussion of of issues like there's certain

00:17:55.180 topics that you're just not allowed to discuss and uh you know you know terms like the science

00:18:01.200 is settled but even non-science type of things right there's historical issues you're not allowed

00:18:06.420 to discuss there's one defined uh explanation i mean that's not history or science that's religious

00:18:14.480 dogma in my view i mean because that's how religious dogma works where it's clearly defined

00:18:20.920 you know in in catholicism for example the pope will formally define a dogma and now if you're

00:18:25.760 catholic you have to believe that there's no no difference which okay in a religion that's fine

00:18:30.760 but that's not how history and science work so could you give us a quick uh rundown lesson of

00:18:36.500 doug christie and and why he is like a famous pro free speech lawyer well i think doug christie is

00:18:42.860 probably best known uh because he defended um uh well so like the the big names like ernst zendel

00:18:54.160 uh that's probably his most famous one uh paul from would be another big one

00:18:59.620 um i mean ernst zendel that was one of the first times that these hate crime

00:19:04.360 laws got really put to the test so ernst zendel i haven't read up on him recently so i'm just

00:19:11.080 trying to trying to go off memory and people can correct me in the comments box if I'm wrong

00:19:15.240 but Ernst Zundel uh he was someone who wrote a lot of pamphlets and I think he wrote some books

00:19:21.560 as well where he was um calling into question uh the official narrative of uh what's I guess

00:19:30.320 popular referred to as is the holocaust um holocaust I don't know if I've heard of that

00:19:35.900 Yeah, I mean, I hesitate. The only reason I hesitate in using the word Holocaust is because from a religious perspective, that actually has a very specific meaning of a religious offering to God.

00:19:49.820 So putting on my hat as a Catholic person, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the use of that term for anything other than like crucifixion of God.

00:19:59.560 but which would be the only anyway before we get that we're probably getting a bit off topic there

00:20:04.220 but we'll use the holocaust because that's what everyone knows it as uh the shoah it's also called

00:20:09.580 um so i i know he did um uh he he issued one of his pamphlets was did six million really die

00:20:18.160 so of course for asking that question he was uh accused of hate crime now of course

00:20:25.360 it would be open and closed case now because now it's specifically defined you cannot question any

00:20:32.380 aspect of the official holocaust narrative although i think as we discussed on your show

00:20:36.360 and i've said on my own video that trouble i have is i don't even know what the like how much of the

00:20:42.160 official narrative what are you allowed to question what aren't you because they don't define what

00:20:46.080 exactly that is but i imagine i think it's safe to say that the number six million is part of that

00:20:51.880 you can't question that and certainly he so he was brought to court doug christie i mean it got

00:20:57.240 appealed all the way to the supreme court and i think the reason the zindel case is so well known

00:21:02.040 is because he was actually acquitted because he's able to raise a reasonable doubt that some of his

00:21:07.000 arguments were true he brought in this guy fred loyster who was an expert in gas chambers and

00:21:12.980 for the united states government gas chambers for executing uh people and um and he testified

00:21:20.620 before the supreme court and other lower courts like look like i've examined certain doors or

00:21:28.360 things and uh and he was of the view that that you couldn't actually uh you couldn't actually

00:21:35.560 exterminate all these people the the way it said so anyway he got acquitted is it's been years since

00:21:40.800 i've read the supreme court decision but you know it's an interesting one because the supreme court 0.78

00:21:45.300 of the time their decision was essentially we find his views extremely odious and distasteful

00:21:52.500 however we're forced to say that he should be acquitted because this is how the law is written

00:21:57.860 and he has brought this evidence and we think that this is you know we think this is quackery but it

00:22:04.180 raises a reasonable doubt i paraphrase of course but i think that's probably the big one why uh

00:22:11.620 doug christie is well known i mean it far from the only only case that he did you know i have

00:22:17.300 all these uh pamphlets about how um the whole lot of more didn't happen i've been handing those out

00:22:23.860 with no problem haven't had any troubles i'm i'm just kidding my my point is is like if you were

00:22:30.740 to talk about if you were to down what's the terminology i have it right here uh yeah willful

00:22:36.660 promotion of anti-semitism everyone who by communicating statements other than in private

00:22:40.100 conversation willfully promotes anti-semitism by condoning denying or downplaying those are the

00:22:46.080 three uh what are those verbs terms um but you could probably condone deny or downplay the

00:22:54.200 halotomor or the armenian genocide in various ways and you know i'm sure there wouldn't be as

00:23:00.020 much uh heat uh for doing that which is interesting which is yeah well the halotomor is interesting i

00:23:07.160 would say before russia invaded the ukraine you could question as much as you want now that russia

00:23:14.960 has invaded ukraine and it's part of the current thing maybe you'd get in more trouble for that i

00:23:21.960 don't know it's it's an interesting question i mean um and i i just i don't know do i maybe

00:23:28.780 people do question i mean most people just don't even know about it i'd say that's the number one

00:23:33.380 thing as the average person they just have no idea that this even happened it's it's interesting

00:23:38.380 to think uh you know those some of those guys you may have saw this in hamilton recently they had

00:23:43.240 like the black block and they uh they had a mass deportation sign it's interesting to think how

00:23:49.200 they would have been treated five years ago doing that um because you know like because because the

00:23:55.040 climate has changed and i feel like you're kind of like alluding to this how unfortunately in our

00:24:00.780 fair justice system and totally cool and totally real democracy depending on the political climate

00:24:07.840 you might have these certain speech laws enforced more against you depending on you know depending

00:24:15.660 on what time it is depending on what season it is but depending on the trends of what in what is in

00:24:20.580 and what is not in would you say that's yeah fair to say oh yeah unfortunately that i mean i think

00:24:26.700 the evidence on the ground backs you up on that is that it seems to be since the the law is so

00:24:35.180 it's vaguely worded so it it leaves it open to this vague interpretation and

00:24:41.100 and yeah it and i mean also depends on what people are going to complain to the police

00:24:46.500 about as well right so that will also i think hot topics will make it more likely for people

00:24:54.060 to complain to the police but i think it might also make it more likely for the police to lay

00:24:59.040 charges now i haven't crunched actual numbers so i hedged that a bit of saying that i don't i

00:25:05.960 haven't actually looked into it but i think you know whenever i point out instances of anti-christian

00:25:14.000 hatred like burning down churches or tearing down monuments vandalizing churches running up to 0.70

00:25:20.440 people yelling i hate white people and punching them in the face and those don't result in hate 1.00

00:25:24.540 crime charges people say oh you know that you're just crazy you live in this fantasy world where 0.99

00:25:29.560 christians are persecuted and they're not charged but i mean i think those are real instances and

00:25:34.740 i've never ever even heard of someone being charged for anti-christian or anti-white hate

00:25:40.760 crimes it seems like it's only against certain groups that the law gets enforced and that just

00:25:46.920 i mean aside from maybe inherent problems with the law itself that just completely undermines

00:25:52.420 any kind of respect for the law by the fact that i think people can see maybe they don't all

00:25:59.500 internalize it but people see that these laws are not being applied equally across the board

00:26:04.880 and it just brings the law into doubt by virtue of that fact yeah i mean and the mainstream sort of

00:26:13.780 i would even yeah i would call it hatred i guess the the mainstream like hatred towards white

00:26:19.240 people is like the key word it's mainstream you know like there's a book called uh you know white

00:26:26.260 guilt uh white fragility yeah that one i like imagine a book called like jewish guilt or jewish

00:26:34.400 fragility or something like this like like you know these the white fragility totally mainstream

00:26:40.040 bestseller new york times bestseller you know if you were to flip that script it's like not only 0.77

00:26:44.880 would you not be a bestseller like you'd probably get thrown in jail you get thrown in a cellar

00:26:48.880 you know like it's uh yeah you'd be charged anyway i mean whether you'd be convicted or not

00:26:53.420 it well it might it would might depend on the facts but that that just raises another

00:26:58.520 interesting point it segway goes back a little bit to what edgy d tv was asking about you know

00:27:03.320 will i be the the next uh could i be the next great free speech defense lawyer i mean i don't

00:27:09.800 know people that if people want to hire me I'd be definitely very interested and highly motivated

00:27:14.300 in doing those cases but I haven't been hired in any of those cases and unfortunately the cases

00:27:19.140 that I've seen people have either tried representing themselves or they've hired

00:27:24.180 lawyers that I mean I don't know the lawyers so maybe they were excellent but I don't think they

00:27:31.180 were people that were necessarily thinking the same way which you don't always need a lawyer

00:27:35.400 who thinks the same way as you do but on a such a politically charged topic it may be a benefit to

00:27:40.500 have someone that is a little bit more uh on your side if we could say it that way uh because some

00:27:49.060 of the defense the defenses i would run i haven't seen run usually the defenses are they they just

00:27:56.960 completely surrender the ground that it is hate speech and then they just argue it wasn't me i

00:28:03.620 didn't mean the jews i met someone else when i said the tribe or whatever i've seen that defense

00:28:08.620 or they try some sovereign citizen nonsense so for example um i forgot his first name patron or

00:28:16.540 patron i'm not sure his last name is found so the guy used to be the leader of the nationalist party

00:28:20.760 of canada he went with a a self-represented sovereign citizen defense which predictably

00:28:28.060 failed horribly because contrary to what the sovereign citizens say on their websites they

00:28:33.160 never win in court um every yeah and actually it's not even real man i'm not even a real citizen

00:28:41.200 man well it's a real jail cell sir it's a real yeah well and and mr patron's in a real jail cell

00:28:46.660 but so he tried arguing this whole like i'm not subject to the law because i'm a sovereign citizen

00:28:50.900 so he never even tried fighting he never even tried fighting that it did what he it was what

00:28:57.380 he said even even hate crime same with um uh the uh so hey chapu case in in quebec i mean that guy

00:29:06.060 went to jail for a couple years for writing articles and again his argument was it wasn't

00:29:11.260 me essentially rather than saying these articles aren't actually hate crimes so i i would be

00:29:16.600 interested to see how would these cases do if it wasn't conceded that it's hate crime and actually

00:29:22.120 fought it out and said no look here like the definition of hate crime i think you did a

00:29:26.960 reaction video to to my uh video where i where i looked through the definition i mean it's you've

00:29:32.760 got to be saying some pretty bad stuff like calling for genocide or just such vilification that it

00:29:38.840 could be leading to people causing harm so you know i i i would love to to try that argument

00:29:46.640 myself i i just haven't been retained by anyone and partly that's also because these people are

00:29:52.080 different places i can't practice in quebec uh because i'm licensed in ontario um i could

00:29:58.400 practice uh like there's reciprocity agreements so all the western provinces ontario and nova

00:30:04.200 scotia i can practice in all of those provinces because they all have uh agreements i got i got

00:30:11.320 a couple questions for you i want to ask you about if you've been following what's been happening in

00:30:16.800 the uk with their online harms bill i believe it's called um have you been following that at all

00:30:24.860 i haven't so i'll let you run with that a bit no i mean i i only know kind of like the broad

00:30:30.500 brushstrokes of different instances of people getting um arrested for being at protests or

00:30:37.120 saying things or uh just quite mundane things that just allude to you know opposing

00:30:46.460 mass immigration or kind of you know crying out what happened to uh this you know young uk three

00:30:54.460 you young k girls who got murdered by the uh you know by the offspring of a of a migrant and um

00:31:01.580 it wasn't like calling for violence or anything was it was more like kind of complaining and just

00:31:07.540 talking about it and opposing mass immigration so which is what they say the online harms act

00:31:13.820 in canada will not do it's like we will not use this against people who have the wrong politics

00:31:18.000 and it's like okay well a bill with almost the exact same name in the uk is doing precisely that

00:31:24.040 uh yeah and i wish i wish more canadians would take advantage of the fact that we can look at

00:31:31.600 different countries in europe to like see our future you know and and like i don't see why

00:31:36.700 we don't do that like all the time because there's there's a lot of like very valuable

00:31:40.640 pieces of information for example the mainstream conservative party they say they're going to save

00:31:45.800 you and then they keep the tap on for mass immigration like you can count so many different

00:31:49.900 european countries but well you don't even need to look at other european countries you just need

00:31:53.780 to look at canadian history to see i mean that you know the whole conservative party thing has

00:31:58.500 people not infrequently i mean i don't actually outwardly support any political party i mean i

00:32:04.740 just try to present facts and um you know i mean i've had maxime bernier on the show twice but

00:32:12.260 that's because he's the only political party leader who's willing to come on my show

00:32:16.820 we've reached out to uh uh well richard can correct me if i'm wrong i know for sure we've

00:32:21.940 reached out to the conservative party of canada and just crickets and response i think we actually

00:32:26.260 even reached out to the liberal party and of course like just no response so it's not like i'm

00:32:31.140 I'm, you know, just trying to pump up the PPC.

00:32:34.380 I mean, hey, he's willing to come on the show and talk to me.

00:32:37.240 But with respect to the Conservative Party, I mean, I am unrepentant or unapologetic and saying, look, I've seen this movie before.

00:32:47.020 I'm old enough.

00:32:48.180 I'm four.

00:32:48.600 Well, I'll be 45 in like three weeks.

00:32:51.220 I'm old enough that I've seen this happen a few times.

00:32:53.840 Now, granted, it was the Progressive Conservative Party before that.

00:32:57.740 But I mean, even Harper, I mean, granted, he looks amazingly good.

00:33:01.140 now compared to what we have but really how much did he change from the christian years i mean

00:33:07.060 frankly jean christian looks amazing compared to the current liberal party i mean i'd take

00:33:11.860 jean christian you know if someone could say you could have jean christian back or stay with what

00:33:16.660 you have i'd say hook me up with jean christian and if he chokes out a protester i'd be cool with

00:33:22.020 that too um so uh i got a question for you and this is gonna this is gonna be like a real a

00:33:29.780 really like pop quiz here this is really going to quiz you on your knowledge of

00:33:34.420 free speech in canada uh so first one preliminary question um in the criminal code we have 319

00:33:45.460 i guess it's just mostly free 19 which is public incitement of hatred or willful promotion of

00:33:51.220 hatred um these are first question is when when did these come into law these hate speech laws

00:33:59.780 Okay, so I was able to research that quickly before the case.

00:34:03.200 They've been around since 1970.

00:34:06.720 So guess who brought them in, in the first place?

00:34:10.260 Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

00:34:11.600 Pierre Elliott Trudeau brought them in the first place.

00:34:14.080 So it was in the 60s when they first started talking about it.

00:34:16.840 Of course, then as now, they did a big commission to look into it.

00:34:23.500 And then in 1966, they introduced the bill.

00:34:27.200 In 1970, it made it into law.

00:34:29.040 and then i mean the section numbers were different but it was the same wording as we have now the

00:34:35.000 section numbers have just moved around a bit from adding new laws and whatnot so the the law as we

00:34:40.280 know it has existed since 1970 wow and that's the advocating genocide 318 the public incitement of

00:34:47.860 hatred 319 sub and and well i guess inciting hatred to breach of public peace that's 319 sub

00:34:55.580 one and then willful promotion of hatred 319 sub two so i mean this is you know it's it's been on

00:35:03.740 the book since the since 1970 but they didn't i mean and they did use it i mean the zindel case

00:35:10.320 i mean when we were talking about that i mean that was back in the 80s um that was gonna be

00:35:15.060 my next question which is how many times has this actually been uh used against canadian citizens

00:35:23.120 for their speech and i guess there's a difference of them being charged and them being successfully

00:35:28.020 charged right yeah right well yeah i mean people get charged with things all the time

00:35:33.240 um how many times i mean it's hard to say it could because there could be cases that were never

00:35:39.740 considered a big enough deal to be reported but i suspect that pretty much every time they've used

00:35:45.840 it it's been reported i don't mean just in the media i mean reported as in reported in the law

00:35:51.820 reports which is where lawyers that can find um find cases so uh the first the earliest one i

00:36:00.460 could find was 1979 that was uh bazanga and deroche uh so that was uh that was actually

00:36:09.140 where the friend it was hatred directed towards a french the french canadian community uh although

00:36:14.940 that guy was acquitted because they the ontario court of appeal found that it was not clear if

00:36:19.700 the person had willfully uh promoted hatred because it was one where they're having a a debate

00:36:25.460 in like some municipal politics and got really heated and then you know one guy got all upset

00:36:30.980 and circulated some pamphlet containing anti-french canadian stuff and you know anyway so

00:36:38.020 so and then of course there's the uh so that was 1979 then towards 1990 you've got the keegstra

00:36:44.660 case i mean that's one of the big well-known ones that's uh the he was uh i was at british columbia

00:36:51.380 i i think anyway he was a public school teacher and he was teaching his students like basically

00:36:57.140 hey uh you know uh six million didn't die in the gas chambers or i i you know things of that nature

00:37:06.580 i actually don't remember exactly what he was saying i just know he was a social studies teacher

00:37:10.660 he was teaching stuff you know that and then he was he was charged um now that was the first one

00:37:18.260 where the the constitutionality of the laws really got challenged and even back then 19 uh 19 uh what

00:37:27.620 is that 1990 the supreme court said no it doesn't infringe the charter uh well the majority of them

00:37:34.900 said it didn't even infringe the charter uh justice mclaughlin who later became the chief

00:37:39.220 justice but she wasn't at that time she said it did infringe the charter but it was justified

00:37:43.800 under section one which um what is that just briefly on section one i've lots of people say

00:37:51.160 to me oh you know our constitution is flawed because of section one these rights should be

00:37:56.120 unlimited i don't agree with that because if you had say freedom of religion if you had unlimited

00:38:03.220 freedom of religion that would mean that if there were some people who worship the sun god they

00:38:06.580 could kidney kidnap people off the street murder them cut their heart out and offer it to the sun

00:38:11.080 god and then they could say well we should be acquitted or your murder laws are unconstitutional

00:38:16.080 because it violates our religious freedom and if you didn't have section one then the court would 0.57

00:38:20.440 be forced to say yeah you're right you're free to go please murder some more people and cut their

00:38:25.340 hearts out so it's a bit of an extreme example but i but that's the type of situations that you need

00:38:31.340 a section one for uh but unfortunately uh as i've said often not my phrase i got it from mark stein

00:38:39.180 but politics are downstream from culture and the law is downstream from the politics so really it

00:38:44.880 comes back to the culture i i think that's the key one and our culture is accepting of the these are

00:38:53.740 the the exceptions that our culture wants and judges they're they're uh they're they're you

00:39:02.000 know they come from our culture they live here they're Canadians right so uh so you know I not

00:39:06.220 to go through but you know look it hasn't I'd say at a at a quick like maybe a dozen times

00:39:12.280 it's been used has been used a lot I mean you know there was uh another one I know David Hanekew

00:39:19.360 That was when it was an indigenous chief was charged.

00:39:24.720 Now, his quote, I don't know if you remember that case, or maybe you're not old enough to remember it.

00:39:29.600 He was getting interviewed, and he was getting really pushed by reporters about his views on the Holocaust.

00:39:36.860 And he said something like, well, you know, the Jews were destroying Germany, so Hitler had to fry those guys.

00:39:43.300 Like, that was essentially his quote. 0.92

00:39:44.680 I remember he said Hitler had to fry those guys was part of his his his quote.

00:39:50.180 Now, he was acquitted, though, because they said it wasn't willful because he just kind of blurted this out out of frustration of being really pestered by these reporters.

00:39:59.020 But I've always thought that would be a fantastic case to use as a precedent to say that, you know, that a lot of these comments aren't hate crime because it was partly they blurted out.

00:40:11.940 But they also said it wasn't, it didn't meet that test that I, you know, that I talked about in episode 16. So the court, some of the comments here, they said his remarks were revolting, disgusting and untrue, but they did not constitute promoting hatred.

00:40:27.440 so i i you've got precedents like that that's why i think i i would love to do a case where i i the

00:40:35.360 argument is look this doesn't meet the test of hate crime rather than it wasn't me or i wasn't

00:40:40.760 talking about them i was talking about someone else interesting interesting so you would attack

00:40:47.480 it on the grounds of it not being hate speech i guess i guess i'm kind of like

00:40:54.280 the willful promotion of what's the what's the one with the lowest threshold

00:41:01.540 willful promotion yeah willful promotion of hatred right um that's interesting did you happen

00:41:10.200 to see uh the video that i posted today about um it was a song about um i did i did let's uh i know

00:41:19.840 Richard's got it queued up he's been waiting for it because for for educational and academic

00:41:24.480 purposes we'll play it and then we'll talk about whether that might run afoul of hate crime laws

00:41:29.000 perfect

00:41:29.680 you would not believe your eyes 10,000 Indian guys lining up for a job it's important 1.00

00:41:46.020 Stink lines are in the air 1.00

00:41:51.420 They're pooping everywhere

00:41:54.000 It smells so bad that I fall asleep

00:41:57.720 I'd like to make my self-believe

00:42:03.760 That we're not being famous

00:42:08.920 But every time I turn around

00:42:12.380 I can hardly see

00:42:14.900 Many people have that look like me

00:42:19.480 All right.

00:42:27.020 What's going to happen?

00:42:27.960 What's going to happen, sir?

00:42:29.340 Am I in trouble or what?

00:42:32.180 Well, I mean, so let's take the section piece by piece.

00:42:36.620 So first, they have to prove that there's an identifiable group.

00:42:39.420 uh i think clearly we and by identifiable group they say people distinguished by color race

00:42:47.180 religion national or ethnic origin so they they could probably say yeah they've proved that there's

00:42:52.860 uh you know the video is there is an indian flag i explicitly put an indian flag in it yeah i mean

00:43:01.140 the indian flag is there but again let's look at the uh you know the definition of hatred so i'm

00:43:09.240 got i've actually got episode 60 i'm not going to play it i'm just going to um just uh

00:43:15.900 share the the screen is there is there what's the sort of excuse is there an excuse based in for

00:43:23.860 like it's part of a comedy bit it was satire yeah well that would i mean yeah that would be part of

00:43:29.940 it and that's where we get to the definition here so i've got the uh the depth what the courts have

00:43:35.960 said so i said hatred is not a word of casual connotation to promote hatred is to instill

00:43:41.220 detestation enmity ill will and malevolence in another i think the use of that and is important

00:43:48.940 because it's it's showing so it's clearly an expression must go a long way before it qualifies

00:43:53.920 within the definition of 319 sub 2 in 319 sub 2 that is the most permissive one that that we've

00:44:00.020 been talking about um so i mean i think the fact that it's satire and it's i mean it's clearly a

00:44:08.480 comedy video it's not meant to be taken seriously a comedy video is not going to instill that

00:44:14.060 that detestation enmity will will and malevolence you know i that's that's where i i don't think it

00:44:24.220 meets the test and to this point i actually haven't seen anyone doing a comedy bit that's

00:44:30.880 been charged with any any hate speech so i think that's that's also something that like i i'm not

00:44:38.520 super concerned that you'd be uh charged i mean anything's possible nowadays but you can see like

00:44:45.740 just putting that definition up there you can see how strong the the speech has to be i mean it's

00:44:52.580 not just making fun of people it's not just insulting people it's you know you're just

00:44:57.140 stirring up malevolence and like this real deep hatred for people and your video isn't doing that

00:45:02.600 okay so they wouldn't have a strong argument with existing speech laws based on what you know about

00:45:09.560 the online harms act and bill c63 would they have a stronger argument to charge me with something

00:45:15.600 uh for that video do you think

00:45:18.300 there's nothing in the wording of the online uh hate spill that would or the online uh

00:45:27.280 yeah the online harms act there's nothing in the wording of the online harms act that would give

00:45:33.520 them anything extra or above and beyond what they already have so um in that respect i i don't

00:45:45.440 think you'd be at any additional risk i i the problem is probably more you know how does the

00:45:51.500 passage of that act influence the culture and push it to a point where it's now acceptable

00:45:58.500 to to prosecute someone for that uh so let me just quickly uh uh franklin davy just made a

00:46:05.900 comment i mean i think it's worth reminding ourselves of this of this one too you know

00:46:09.400 what happened to the unvaccinated sounds a lot like what you're speaking of

00:46:13.240 um i mean let's let's just have a look here at the uh you know the the infamous toronto star

00:46:21.040 headline right you know if an unvaccinated person catches it from someone who's vaccinated boohoo 0.95

00:46:25.500 too bad i have no empathy left for the unvaccinated let them die i honestly don't care if they die

00:46:31.380 from covid not even a little bit like i mean i i would say that's a lot closer to the line 0.95

00:46:37.660 of hatred except of course where people are saved on that one and why they wouldn't get charged

00:46:43.080 is unvaccinated people are not an identifiable group as defined by the section in question

00:46:50.360 because identifiable group it has to be gender sexual orientation race ethnicity and medical

00:46:59.140 status is not included as a uh as in making you an identifiable group so i mean that would be

00:47:06.580 number one why no one was charged i mean another piece of why they're never charged of course is

00:47:10.520 because again the culture the the prevailing culture was no these people they don't they

00:47:17.300 don't they don't have rights let's i mean let's talk about another side of this which is you know

00:47:23.420 um and it's a much more cynical or maybe you could say realist sort of perspective on

00:47:31.060 free speech in canada i've talked about this on my channel before but um aaron gunn may the aaron

00:47:37.520 gun is he's now a conservative party candidate and he's made some of these documentaries on

00:47:43.160 youtube and some of them are really good they're really well done you know he talks about sort of

00:47:47.800 the the 10 cities and all the drug use in vancouver for example and he also made one called

00:47:53.980 the end of free speech in canada something like this the end of free speech in canada and in it

00:47:59.980 the, you know, he talks about just speech laws, the laws of people violating speech laws and

00:48:08.740 getting in trouble. But the thing is, this was after the trucker convoy. And like, he didn't

00:48:13.800 mention anything about free speech in regards to the trucker convoy. And I thought that was

00:48:23.380 very interesting because from my perspective, it's like certain people got targeted

00:48:28.740 because they were leaders or more prominent figures in this protest movement

00:48:34.300 that clearly had a very specific belief system

00:48:38.500 or ideas of opposing the government mandates.

00:48:42.020 And it just kind of feels like they had trumped up charges.

00:48:44.800 They weren't speech charges, but they were criminal charges.

00:48:49.800 And for me, it's like, well, that clearly happened

00:48:51.660 because of their political opinion.

00:48:53.160 That's why they got charged.

00:48:54.800 So I thought it was like such an incomplete perception of free speech in Canada.

00:48:58.180 If you're not going to talk about the people who are being dragged through the court systems for not wanting to, you know, for opposing mandates, you know, what, what is like, what are your, what are your thoughts on that sort of perspective on things of like, you know, aside from speech laws, but just like the actual sort of application of criminal law towards people that maybe the government doesn't really like that much.

00:49:18.840 well it's a huge problem i think for the government to be criminalizing people that

00:49:25.860 they don't agree with uh well i let me put it's certainly not freedom and democracy

00:49:31.560 it might be something else um i guess i shouldn't say in principle could there never be a circumstance

00:49:38.820 where the government should go after people i mean i i'm i'm hesitant to say that because i'm

00:49:43.920 not sure that it was necessary that much of a bad thing when say for example uh senator mccarthy

00:49:49.280 went after communists uh in the united states uh so but it's certainly not freedom and democracy

00:49:57.120 i mean it's hypocritical we say oh we're such a free and democratic society well we're not but

00:50:02.640 you know it all comes back to having the right principles i think is also also the key uh so

00:50:09.080 So, yeah, it's a very, you know, that's a difficult and nuanced thing.

00:50:15.040 All I can say is the laws that when I look at the law in our books and the charter that we have written, these things are clearly not consistent with that.

00:50:23.360 And it's not consistent with how we present our country as this beacon of freedom and democracy.

00:50:30.900 Well, I think in 2024, freedom and democracy basically doesn't mean anything anymore because it's not just Canada.

00:50:37.200 It's everywhere where this stuff is going on.

00:50:38.940 I mean, in Germany, again, you talk about looking at other countries to see what's going on there.

00:50:44.840 Germany, for example, I mean, alternative for Deutschland is looks like they're poised to maybe even win the next election.

00:50:52.440 So they're scrambling to outlaw that party because they don't accept their views, even though their views are clearly popular.

00:51:01.580 I mean, that's why they're polling so well.

00:51:04.260 So, you know, if you actually believe in democracy, then, well, isn't that the will of the people?

00:51:08.780 But, you know, that's why I say democracy doesn't even mean any, if it ever did mean anything, it was anything other than a slogan, which I'm not sure that it was, because I would argue that that like medieval peasants had more democracy than we have in terms of like actual like local.

00:51:25.160 No, I'm not joking. Like, literally, they did in terms of self-determination and being able to just live your life free without the government telling you what to do and being able to, I mean, democracy in terms of self-determination.

00:51:38.520 They had, I would say they had more self-determination on a lot of topics than we do. And I guarantee you, no one went to jail for saying mean things about other people.

00:51:47.880 Now, I mean, that raises the whole Inquisition thing, which I've been meaning to do a show on that because the Inquisition is actually fascinating.

00:51:53.740 and a lot of our most people don't know this but a lot of our procedures and the most fair

00:51:59.460 procedures actually come from the inquisition and the inquisition had all kinds of fascinating

00:52:03.700 things like even after someone was convicted they wouldn't carry out the sentence for a whole year

00:52:08.700 and they would every month or so they would re-question the witnesses to make sure they

00:52:14.140 didn't change their evidence to make sure this was 100 legit that the person actually said that

00:52:19.260 and um and you know they would go to the person to see like you know are you going to repent of

00:52:26.240 this and you'd always get you know it's it's a different thing though because you know that's

00:52:31.400 within the religious realm it's not a civil thing and i think the religious realm is different

00:52:35.640 because it only applied to people who profess themselves as catholics contrary to what a lot

00:52:40.180 of the propaganda says like jews muslims non-christians the inquisition had nothing to

00:52:45.840 do with them i think religions have the right to police their own belief systems because otherwise 0.79

00:52:51.020 you get the insanity that you see today where you know they're all changing what they believe

00:52:55.340 forever you know it's anyway that's getting that that's a rabbit hole maybe to go down another

00:53:02.500 time but i you know it is a fascinating thing when you you know i've studied some some history on

00:53:08.820 that but uh that said for the reasons that we started early we're getting to the point where

00:53:14.680 we're going to have to, to wrap this up. So I will, I will give you, you know, a couple minutes

00:53:23.420 if there's something else you wanted to add to the conversation we've had so far before I wrap

00:53:26.780 it up. Yeah, I just had a few thoughts of, you know, you were bringing up the speech laws and

00:53:31.720 how back in the day, it was chart, it was used in a way of like, hey, you're saying mean things

00:53:36.720 about the French, you're seeing saying mean things about the Quebecois or whatever it might

00:53:41.300 have been. And it's interesting that the same law exists today. And that's almost like an absurd

00:53:46.860 idea that the French would be like, you know, the identifiable group that would be treated as the

00:53:52.580 victim. And I guess I bring that up because I think the most concerning thing about implementing

00:53:57.460 something like the Online Harms Act is the fact of the matter that it creates a bigger toolkit

00:54:03.160 to be used by the state or by the citizens to use against one another. And you never know what

00:54:10.620 things might look like down the road and you never know how it might be used or weaponized

00:54:15.140 and like what what creeps me out is how sure they have some of these words defined somewhat

00:54:21.740 but it's almost like the definitions of words change as as things go on you know like it's

00:54:28.740 very interesting this is like a whole rabbit hole so we don't have to dwell on it too long but

00:54:32.340 um from the river to the sea palestine will be free that was like that was called by some people

00:54:39.960 that's a call to genocide it's like so a call for freedom is a call for genocide so it's like okay

00:54:45.100 so that equals this and it's like it's just it's just spooky to imagine how that could be used and

00:54:51.760 how definitions could be changed in the future for example even in the definition of detestation and

00:54:56.540 vilification maybe they just take one little thing here and say well actually that's that's

00:55:00.680 textbook vilification you know like you never know what kind of president could be set culturally in

00:55:06.340 the like political environment that could then be used and leveraged into uh you know a political

00:55:11.460 charge or i guess i should say a criminal charge criminal speech charge

00:55:14.700 yeah yeah i think those are those are good points and yeah that's why it's always so important for

00:55:23.780 people to pay attention because a lot of these laws just get passed when no one's paying attention

00:55:27.840 i mean and again the holocaust denial law most people don't even know that that law passed

00:55:32.220 almost no one knows that that was a that started out as a conservative party of canada private

00:55:37.020 members bill so don't fool yourself and think that the conservative party has anything to do

00:55:42.400 with being the the party of free speech if that's something that you're you're concerned about i'm

00:55:46.720 totally kicking myself because i saw when that holocaust denial thing got slipped into the budget

00:55:51.860 it was like right before i think or right during or right after the trucker convoy in 2022 and i

00:55:57.680 meant to do a quick tick tock about it but i never did and it was going to be like hi i'm your

00:56:02.840 conservative party candidate are you worried about the cost of living and vaccine mandates

00:56:07.140 yeah that's exactly why we need to talk about the holocaust and like because it was just like so out

00:56:14.200 of left field when this was passed like no one's talking about this at all but it gets like there

00:56:18.380 it is slipped into the law under uh under criminal hate speech it's totally well totally absurd but

00:56:23.500 you're absolutely right people need to pay attention yeah and that's what a lot of this

00:56:26.840 stuff does and i think it's i i think it should not be permissible to slip things like that into

00:56:33.540 a budget bill a budget bill should just be about the budget you shouldn't be able to vary uh any

00:56:39.040 of the laws but that's that's a whole other topic so greg uh thank you very much for uh for joining

00:56:45.660 us uh i forgot to mention at the beginning uh we started early i when i do live streams i'm not

00:56:51.780 going to be doing them at eight o'clock because I just get home way too late when I do that.

00:56:56.880 Stay tuned to when we're going to do that. We're not going to have a live stream in January because

00:57:00.240 I've done three in December. I'm taking some Christmas holiday time. So we'll be back with

00:57:04.940 the live streams on the first Thursday of every month, starting in February. But yeah, thanks

00:57:12.520 again, Greg. As always, video is not legal advice. If you need legal advice, call a lawyer. My number

00:57:17.600 and a website on the ticker on the bottom there.

00:57:21.120 And, of course, we're always open to suggestions,

00:57:24.320 suggestions of be they guests, be they topics.

00:57:27.360 Hopefully, Greg, we can get together again

00:57:29.040 because I've greatly enjoyed both of our talks,

00:57:32.400 both last week and this week.

00:57:35.040 And for our viewers, if you found this video at all interesting,

00:57:38.840 helpful, informative, please consider liking, sharing, and subscribing.

00:57:42.260 I know a lot of people say we're being shadow banned.

00:57:44.420 we have absolutely not been able to break free of 8.5 000 subscribers for like go subscribe go

00:57:51.120 subscribe to nicholas wands butter right now one of the mods put it in the chat make sure you go

00:57:55.780 subscribe to his channel right now we got to break through the shadow banners all right thanks a lot

00:58:01.220 greg and uh have a merry christmas everyone uh if uh because yeah i won't be next thursday is

00:58:07.480 after christmas so have a merry christmas yeah merry christmas and uh if you want to learn more

00:58:11.920 about what I'm doing just go to savefreespeech.ca if you want to support what we're doing to protect

00:58:16.440 free speech you can donate to our documentary that we're making about persecuted Canadians

00:58:22.380 so thank you again for having me Mr. Wandsbutter my pleasure all right all right can we do this

00:58:41.920 let's see if this works can you guys still hear me i'm gonna try to keep streaming here i think

00:58:53.820 for a minute uh will i get this to work though shit one second come on baby come on do i gotta 0.67

00:59:06.700 reset this how do i do this computer reset camera computer reset camera come on dude 0.97

00:59:20.700 uh we might have to just cut it here i don't know

00:59:30.780 okay okay does that work is that working hello hello

00:59:34.620 hello hey we're back we're so back amazing hey everybody that was it that was our chat with the

00:59:41.740 one and only nicholas wandsbutter um i thought we were gonna have more time but he but he had

00:59:46.940 to go he had something come up which is totally cool totally fine but uh yeah i was just talking

00:59:52.220 about it the give send go i'm sure you guys have heard of it before the links are in the chat what

00:59:57.260 What did you guys think of that?

01:00:05.580 I wanted to revisit what he was saying about the debate thing.

01:00:10.080 Just because there really isn't any debates in this country anymore.

01:00:13.780 There's no debates happening in Canada.

01:00:16.480 It doesn't happen on the TV.

01:00:18.020 It doesn't happen with the Liberal Party.

01:00:20.220 Question period is not a debate.

01:00:22.440 Question period is just like dunking on each other.

01:00:24.960 It's like this shallow.

01:00:25.840 like they don't actually get into any issue it's just a matter of well justin trudeau is 0.99

01:00:32.080 he's a loser he's uh he's bad he causes the crime he's he's funny looking and then justin 0.99

01:00:40.920 trudeau says yeah well pierre polyev he's just a conservative that doesn't even care about women 1.00

01:00:46.140 it's just a bunch of talking past each other where is the debates in this country like you

01:00:51.780 literally don't see them literally don't see them it's brutal um and that needs to change

01:00:58.640 you know that needs to change yeah guys definitely go subscribe to don't talk tv over there

01:01:04.100 um i'm just gonna see if buddy messaged me back

01:01:08.160 because i don't want i don't want to jinx it but we're gonna i'm hopefully gonna be having

01:01:14.400 some other guests on the channel uh coming up which i'm very excited about but um

01:01:21.040 yeah for now you know i got i gotta keep working on the preview for the documentary guys

01:01:26.600 gotta keep working on the preview for the documentary it's very very exciting

01:01:30.220 very exciting stuff and um yeah if you want to let's see hold on how do we do this

01:01:40.080 yeah you've heard it before go to give saying go.com slash stay free speech

01:01:45.820 it's the holiday season as well if you want to donate you can also get a gift certificate

01:01:53.760 at the website uh at um savefreespeech.ca and you can download the gift certificate you can print

01:02:04.480 it out and you can gift it to a patriot friend of yours and said hey i'm helping to support

01:02:09.380 and save free speech i'm fighting back against these far left ideologues in canada

01:02:15.420 by supporting the Hate Network,

01:02:17.920 the new documentary that's going to be coming out

01:02:20.160 in the new year.

01:02:21.520 But you'll be seeing more from me shortly.

01:02:24.500 Otherwise, have a great night, everybody.

01:02:26.960 We will talk to you soon.

01:02:28.100 And go subscribe to Wandsbutter.

01:02:30.180 Go subscribe to Wandsbutter, okay?

01:02:32.720 Do it.

01:02:33.980 Do it.

01:02:34.780 Until next time, we'll see you later.

01:02:45.420 I have to do do do do do do do do do do

01:03:15.420 We'll be right back.

01:03:45.420 We'll be right back.

Greg Wycliffe - December 20, 2024

Canada's Hate Speech Laws🔴LIVE Interview w⧸ Nicholas Wansbutter from @DontTalkTV 🔴#stopbillc63

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