Greg Wycliffe - October 04, 2022


Canadian Nurses STILL NOT WORKING because of mandates


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12 minutes

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2,478

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178

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Kristen Nagel is the founder of Frontline Nurses Canada, a non-profit organization dedicated to fighting for the rights of women and girls in the health care system. She is also a former nurse who served time in jail for attending a church during a lockdown.

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00:00:00.000 I'm trying to understand. Everyone's like, oh, the mandates are gone. There's no more mandates.
00:00:06.160 So if I'm not mistaken, is there not a whole bunch, a lot of nurses who are out of work 0.92
00:00:10.720 because they haven't complied and will not comply with the mandate? That's still going on.
00:00:14.660 Yeah, that's still a thing, though. Like thousands upon thousands of nurses across Canada.
00:00:18.220 I am here with Kristen Nagel. How are you?
00:00:20.880 I'm good. How are you doing?
00:00:22.140 She is the founder of Frontline Nurses. You were one of the first to speak out from the very beginning.
00:00:26.960 Yeah, one of three. Yeah, back in 2020.
00:00:30.320 We are at Louis Cipher Bar in the Danforth. We just saw James Top, the final meet and greet.
00:00:35.620 How was that for you? I saw you getting very emotional in there.
00:00:38.440 It was emotional. I don't know. I was very fortunate to be able to march with James back in June.
00:00:44.040 And what he did out there by himself physically, just, you know, kind of a culmination of everything
00:00:49.920 I think a lot of us have been fighting for and feeling.
00:00:51.960 It's a lot. And I tried to mention at the end of the presentation with James,
00:00:56.260 like, this is a guy who is a veteran. He's a veteran. Like, he has already served in such an intense way.
00:01:02.940 And now he's here again marching across the entire country to get a shot of that.
00:01:06.860 So this might be a Stasi trying to capture the faces of people who attended a James March event,
00:01:11.600 which is just totally despicable.
00:01:14.140 Anyway, where were we? Where were we?
00:01:17.560 So the Stasi is here trying to get people in trouble.
00:01:19.680 And you're recently in some trouble. Not real trouble, but, like, being picked on by the government.
00:01:25.180 Yeah.
00:01:25.500 But correct me if I'm wrong.
00:01:26.520 You are getting fined $10,000 for attending church a year and a half ago?
00:01:31.820 Yeah. So April 25th, 2021, I was invited to Easter Sunday service at the Church of God in Elmer
00:01:39.080 by Pastor Henry Hildebrandt.
00:01:40.360 So it was myself, Vincent Gerses, Derek Sloan, and Randy Hillier that showed up.
00:01:46.200 We were called on stage and just really thanked. It was a beautiful service.
00:01:50.100 And then, you know, we continued on with this beautiful Easter service.
00:01:53.860 And we got summons, all of us, for attending during the lockdowns.
00:01:59.040 And then because all the courts are so delayed, it finally went to trial.
00:02:01.680 And I self-represented and was convicted, guilty, and fined $10,000 for being at church.
00:02:08.680 And is this a made-up COVID measure? Or what were you guilty of?
00:02:16.500 Going against the Reopening Act of Ontario when only 10 people were allowed inside buildings,
00:02:22.280 which included, I guess, funerals, weddings, and religious ceremonies.
00:02:25.960 And what I love about this moment right now is you're totally used to this.
00:02:29.820 You're kind of like, yeah, it's just more nonsense.
00:02:32.360 Just more nonsense, right?
00:02:33.940 Yeah, pretty much. Just add it to the list. Why not?
00:02:36.740 You have a big smile on your face. I saw you were with your son earlier.
00:02:40.040 And you have developed such a good, I suspect, such a good sort of, like, resolve in all this.
00:02:46.600 Being able to roll with all these punches. How do you do it?
00:02:50.440 I'm very fortunate that throughout all of this in 2020, because of the darkness I was seeing
00:02:55.540 and unfolding in front of me, that it pushed me to the complete opposite of that.
00:02:59.180 And I found my faith. And to be honest, I just know that all hardships and challenges like this case
00:03:07.100 are all going to be turned around and used for good and end up glorifying God's name.
00:03:11.220 And it'll all work out in the end. So I'm just having trust and faith in all of that.
00:03:17.060 Yeah, I mean, I can totally relate to that, actually.
00:03:20.520 Because I remember at one point during the lockdowns, I think it was actually after the George Floyd thing happened,
00:03:26.300 and I saw this clip of a pastor, and he was like, two wrongs don't make it right, three wrongs don't make it right.
00:03:31.000 I'm like, this is the only person that's made sense in, like, weeks.
00:03:33.760 And I've definitely been opening up to looking at things through that kind of moral lens, right?
00:03:41.420 For me, I think it's the only way, because otherwise, it just gets so dark, and it gets so heavy,
00:03:46.220 and it seems hopeless, and it seems never-ending, and that's not a place that I want to live my life in.
00:03:51.780 Yeah, yeah.
00:03:52.180 Just out of necessity, out of necessity, having faith is so important.
00:03:56.960 And this is a great question to ask you, because I'm trying to understand.
00:04:01.360 Everyone's like, oh, the mandates are gone. There's no more mandates.
00:04:05.320 And then Pierre Polyev is like, hey, we're going to hire a whole bunch of foreign nurses.
00:04:10.060 So if I'm not mistaken, is there not a whole bunch, a lot of nurses who are out of work 0.92
00:04:14.640 because they haven't complied and will not comply with the mandate? That's still going on.
00:04:18.580 Yeah, that's still a thing, though. Like, thousands upon thousands of nurses across Canada
00:04:21.920 are still sitting at home with 31 up to 40 years of experience in ICU-emerge,
00:04:27.680 like, specialty training that are terminated because they, you know,
00:04:31.340 chose bodily autonomy and didn't want a medical experiment.
00:04:34.480 Do we have numbers? Do we have, like, concrete numbers of how many, just how many nurses?
00:04:39.180 Kind of ballpark numbers. I know kind of specific hospitals and their numbers,
00:04:43.960 so I'm kind of just, like, extrapolating from that.
00:04:46.380 So, for example, Grand River Hospital in Kitchener, 250 nurses were terminated from that hospital,
00:04:53.540 not to mention the sick leaves and everything else that happened, and that's just one hospital.
00:04:57.260 So if you take 250 from one hospital in Ontario, that's a smaller one, and then kind of...
00:05:02.260 Extrapolate from the area.
00:05:03.760 Yeah, but from what I've heard and gathered, and we're actually working on numbers right now
00:05:07.720 to bring forward, it is in the thousands.
00:05:11.260 And plus, it's hard to even put in a picture of the early retirements, those that went on sick leave,
00:05:16.460 mental health leave, and everything else to try to, you know, not...
00:05:19.360 The people who may have quit or retired for the same reason, but not officially the same reason.
00:05:23.980 Yeah, exactly.
00:05:24.880 Okay. And, well, first quick question, is the media reporting on this?
00:05:30.080 No. So, interesting enough, Breakfast Television was one of the closest.
00:05:33.480 They were one of the first to kind of start even talking about the healthcare crisis and everything going on,
00:05:38.840 but Sid failed to mention the terminated healthcare workers that are still sitting at home.
00:05:44.600 So a bunch of us showed up one Wednesday morning, it was at 0700, we said we're showing up at shift change,
00:05:50.980 which is 7 in the morning, to try and get on Breakfast Television.
00:05:54.740 Like in the window, in the background?
00:05:56.160 Yes.
00:05:56.540 Oh, right.
00:05:56.880 Yeah, so there was over 100 of us that showed up, I mean, it was a weekday, 7 in the morning,
00:06:00.680 people came in from Ottawa and drove hours, stayed the night before to try to show up there,
00:06:05.320 and, yeah, they came out and talked to us, but no one would bring a camera or bring us in or whatever,
00:06:10.660 and it has not made news since, so no one's still talking about the Terminators.
00:06:15.220 And then, of course, a group of anti-vaxxers showed up, crazy people.
00:06:18.520 So they missed the detail of, yeah, oh, yeah, these mandates still exist,
00:06:21.900 and, oh, yeah, thousands of people are still out of work.
00:06:23.520 Yeah, people still can't work.
00:06:25.080 And you said they were terminated.
00:06:27.980 James was talking about when someone is 5F'd.
00:06:30.500 James Topp was talking about if someone is 5F'd or kicked out of the military for not having a vaccination,
00:06:35.020 that there is no path.
00:06:36.240 There is no path back into the military.
00:06:37.960 There's no going back.
00:06:39.920 Is this similar for nurses?
00:06:41.320 Is there a path back for these people who are still out of work?
00:06:44.340 Like, is there a way to rectify this to get them back to work?
00:06:46.740 Only if these mandates drop, because right now there's not.
00:06:51.020 There are some nurses that are put on leave of absence.
00:06:53.620 They are the ones that can come back to work tomorrow.
00:06:55.480 So they just have to, like, be like, okay, leave of absence is over.
00:06:59.220 You can come back tomorrow.
00:07:00.620 And, you know, because they're still on payroll and they're still within the hospital,
00:07:03.540 they're the ones that would be easy.
00:07:05.240 But all the terminated ones, yeah, the mandates have to be lifted,
00:07:08.680 and they'd have to go through the rehiring process and everything else again.
00:07:11.960 Oh, yeah, it's kind of the same as what's happening in the military,
00:07:13.760 and it's across the board, really.
00:07:15.400 Yeah, and, I mean, how does it make you feel?
00:07:17.800 Let's talk about Pierre Polyette for a minute,
00:07:19.560 because I mentioned he tweeted earlier,
00:07:21.700 hey, we have 20,000 nurses coming from overseas or something, 0.80
00:07:25.500 or foreign nurse work. 0.55
00:07:27.480 How does that make you feel, knowing that there's Canadian, 1.00
00:07:30.240 experienced Canadian nurses just sitting around not being utilized at all? 0.87
00:07:36.800 Yeah, I think it's disgusting, actually.
00:07:38.620 And our College of Nurses of Ontario was actually boasting
00:07:41.080 about the record high numbers of registrants that have, you know,
00:07:45.420 applied or registered to the college from, you know, foreign countries.
00:07:48.620 And no one is acknowledging the Canadian skilled workers that we have right here
00:07:52.400 willing and wanting to work that are healthy, confident, and experienced.
00:07:56.360 And they're just sitting at home.
00:07:57.860 So I think, why is no one talking about this, especially in government?
00:08:02.860 Especially in government.
00:08:04.040 Yeah, because we talk so much, oh, the healthcare crisis, healthcare crisis,
00:08:08.200 and it's like, duh, sorry, duh.
00:08:11.080 You have nurses, like, perfectly able-bodied, healthy nurses sitting there. 1.00
00:08:17.760 I was going to say, they fought so hard for it to get rid of the rive can. 0.91
00:08:20.740 Why is no one fighting hard for, like, how these mandates lifted,
00:08:23.820 like, across the board so people can get back to work?
00:08:26.260 Okay, so you have legal issues going on on top of that.
00:08:29.440 Is there anything happening with frontline nurses now?
00:08:32.180 Is there any kind of campaign things that you're trying to drive,
00:08:34.580 any sort of fundraising you're doing that people should know about while you have the...
00:08:39.320 Yes, so yes, really something important that we're doing is,
00:08:42.380 because we know that we need to make a change in healthcare,
00:08:44.780 so we're trying to create a new framework of health.
00:08:46.860 It's called Connecting Communities with Care.
00:08:49.180 And so it's a private database of nurses that the public can connect with,
00:08:53.920 find nurses within their province, within their town,
00:08:56.800 and hopefully get private care back into the homes,
00:08:59.440 from birth to palliative and everything in between.
00:09:01.060 So we're trying to, you know, get rid of the conventional system
00:09:04.860 and look for a more preventative, natural approach
00:09:07.360 that looks at the whole person as a whole.
00:09:09.440 Wow, so, like, alternative medicine.
00:09:12.420 Like, alternative hospital workers.
00:09:14.340 Like, real health.
00:09:15.380 Wow.
00:09:15.980 Yeah.
00:09:16.280 Wow, like real, like authentic.
00:09:18.140 That is very, very cool.
00:09:19.880 And is there a website or...
00:09:21.520 Yeah, so you can find us at CanadianFrontlineNurses.ca.
00:09:25.380 And we do still have a lot of legal battles ourselves
00:09:28.220 with Canadian Frontline Nurses.
00:09:29.840 Our licenses are still under investigation.
00:09:32.460 So those cases are coming up very soon.
00:09:35.060 I think our first one's in November.
00:09:36.960 We still have our lawsuit against the federal government
00:09:38.700 for invoking the Emergencies Act
00:09:40.000 and a defamation lawsuit against two media sources.
00:09:43.520 Well, thank you so much for your time.
00:09:44.760 Thank you.
00:09:45.240 Follow her on Telegram.
00:09:46.420 Is that the best place to find you?
00:09:47.660 Telegram or Instagram, it's at Kristen underscore Nagel.
00:09:50.740 And Canadian Frontline Nurses, we're kind of on everything. 0.95
00:09:52.980 I know he's in a lot of hot water right now,
00:09:56.220 but did you want to speak at all about Jeremy McKenzie?
00:09:58.320 No, it's fine.
00:09:59.120 Okay.
00:09:59.540 Yeah, I don't know.
00:10:00.780 I just...
00:10:01.940 I know he's going through a lot of stuff right now.
00:10:04.640 I think, you know, I just hope that he gets home safe
00:10:06.740 to his family.
00:10:08.420 And I don't know.
00:10:09.420 I just...
00:10:09.880 I don't really know how to say it.
00:10:11.840 I think it's like really crappy that, you know,
00:10:13.560 the political prisoners that are happening
00:10:14.940 and that it could happen to any one of us
00:10:16.880 for any reason.
00:10:19.420 And I think it's scary.
00:10:20.700 And I think we should be very concerned
00:10:22.100 about what's happening.
00:10:23.280 Yeah, absolutely.
00:10:23.980 I mean, people are really offended
00:10:25.800 by something he said recently
00:10:27.780 on a late night live stream when he was drunk.
00:10:29.980 And yeah, it certainly was very crass comment.
00:10:32.340 But it's the same thing as like
00:10:34.360 taking anything out of context
00:10:36.100 and trying to reduce his character down to that.
00:10:38.800 Like, there are so many beautiful monologues
00:10:42.080 that Jeremy has given on so many other topics,
00:10:44.480 whether it's like veteran suicide,
00:10:46.480 whether it's, you know,
00:10:47.140 what's happening to this country,
00:10:48.240 the despicable behavior of the parliament buildings.
00:10:50.180 But instead, thanks to Pierre Polyev,
00:10:53.500 like, they're choosing that one moment
00:10:55.660 to completely smear him and his community.
00:10:57.760 And it's just awful to see it.
00:10:59.240 Yeah.
00:10:59.640 And I mean, I'm not going to stand here
00:11:01.860 and like defend what he said or support it.
00:11:05.840 It is what it is.
00:11:08.520 You know, I maybe was not at all a fan of the joke.
00:11:11.700 But like you said,
00:11:12.500 I think Jeremy has done so much for our country,
00:11:15.760 for standing up in so many ways,
00:11:17.940 you know, like as an armed force member
00:11:20.820 and, you know, as here as, you know,
00:11:23.060 fighting for our freedoms
00:11:24.040 and bringing truth through comedy.
00:11:26.360 And I just think it's sad that, yeah,
00:11:29.180 this one moment has kind of, yeah.
00:11:32.940 And yeah, he's a very successful broadcaster.
00:11:35.340 And I think that's one of the reasons
00:11:36.140 why he's being targeted.
00:11:38.240 Free Jeremy McKenzie.
00:11:39.400 That's what I wanted to say.
00:11:40.420 I'm a big fan.
00:11:41.520 I love spending time with him in Ottawa
00:11:42.960 and I really do hope I get to see him again soon.
00:11:45.120 Free Jeremy McKenzie.
00:11:46.340 Free Jeremy.
00:11:47.400 Thank you so much.
00:11:48.300 No problem.
00:11:48.860 Thank you.
00:11:49.260 Hey guys, thanks for watching.
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