Greg Wycliffe - Debating an Anarcho-Capitalist🔴

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00:00:30.360 good afternoon good afternoon good afternoon everybody welcome to a special sunday edition

00:00:53.860 apologies for the camera angle but here we go um what happened here is uh my buddy uh gov corrupt

00:01:00.160 also known as kevin uh he reached out to me on x yesterday and he said hey i'd like to have a

00:01:04.660 conversation with greg wyke if possible because i want to chat with him about the future of canada

00:01:09.980 what kind of system will work because greg is obviously a populist who's very adamant that

00:01:14.900 this is a way to handle the repair of the system is by getting into the system making changes

00:01:19.800 whereas kev has an idea that the whole system needs to be uh destroyed right down to the ground

00:01:26.340 i'm not sure if there's gonna be a rebuild or not but he had some great ideas that he wanted

00:01:30.720 to share with everybody so thanks for joining us on a sunday let's go ahead and bring in kevin

00:01:34.920 and greg good afternoon gentlemen how's it going thanks for having us jason thanks for organizing

00:01:41.500 this appreciate it it's my pleasure greg and kev yeah great uh kev is the organizer really he just

00:01:47.900 reached out to me said i want to have a chat uh with greg and uh i said sure i'll try greg you

00:01:52.920 said yes so here we go i don't know if i'm actually a populist i think i used to be a populist but

00:01:58.660 anyway we'll get into that we'll clarify all about that maybe you've changed and this would

00:02:02.760 be a good time to find that out um kev let's go ahead and introduce uh the topic which you

00:02:07.760 want to chat about and let's get right into it well you know basically i you know i reached out

00:02:14.400 because uh i guess the ball that transpired over the um you know greg was quite critical of what i

00:02:22.480 had posted and whatnot so i just wanted to you know that was about three or four weeks ago so

00:02:27.680 you know clear the air let you know emotions um subside and then you know approach the situation

00:02:33.680 you know logically so um because because i i saw that you know you haven't really um

00:02:39.280 um, interacted with any of my posts before or after. So I just wanted to see if, if you were

00:02:46.580 have like, uh, an understanding of where I was coming from and, you know, why I was putting

00:02:51.320 that out there. Uh, first and foremost, that, that, that is, you know, the, the reason behind

00:02:56.840 this. And second of all, you know, we can get into maybe, you know, the politics of Canada and,

00:03:02.260 you know, the different ideology between, you know, the PPC and why I don't, um, align with

00:03:09.080 the ppc um it's because mostly that i don't think it goes far enough um so those those those are

00:03:18.260 those are the primary reasons like number one i know that the ppc wants to dismantle the monarchy

00:03:23.700 like i i understand that and i think that should be you know a primary objective uh but you know

00:03:29.240 it doesn't really touch base on you know the central bank the bank of canada and it doesn't

00:03:33.680 really touch base on um you know inalienable rights like firearms rights uh stand your ground

00:03:39.600 rights when it comes to like uh something similar to you know the the second amendment you know

00:03:44.740 before all of their um um what what would you call it um infringements uh came about you know

00:03:53.080 started in the 60s and the 70s um so you know that's something that you know i i truly believe

00:03:59.080 in uh in terms of you know property rights uh firearms rights um you know freedom of speech

00:04:05.200 rights uh and you know i think we can all agree that none of which we really have uh in canada

00:04:11.340 okay cool and now that parental rights that list as well there's a bunch of uh property related

00:04:17.460 rights that would be added as well okay but a lot of it a lot of it does stem from property rights

00:04:24.100 right you know the right the right to your property and you know considering canada 89

00:04:29.620 of the country is is crown land i mean you don't even have mineral rights when when you buy your

00:04:34.900 land you're basically leasing it from from the state or from the government or you know essentially

00:04:39.540 the crown um so there are no property rights and you know and if you don't have any property rights

00:04:46.820 then you're not really a free individual you're you're you're a slave to the state all right cool

00:04:51.860 So a post a few weeks ago, Greg, I guess he wants to address that.

00:04:56.000 And it sounds like there's a lot of alignment here already, but go on.

00:04:58.560 Sure. Yeah, yeah.

00:04:59.380 Let me just kind of share my opening statement on all of that.

00:05:03.760 My goal today is to point people in the right direction

00:05:09.420 and trying to help them to maybe not sort of get caught up

00:05:13.220 in things that I don't really think are a solution.

00:05:16.280 Because a lot of what you're talking about, government corrupt,

00:05:18.640 sounds a lot like the kind of sovereign citizen argument and we're talking a lot about you can

00:05:23.720 just call me Kevin okay Kevin yeah a lot of this stuff sounds like sovereign citizen argument it

00:05:31.180 sounds like what Norman Traversy was trying to do several years ago you know there's a there's a lot

00:05:39.200 of these sort of like solutions that people present that don't lead anywhere at all and I'm

00:05:44.740 kind of here to be more practical, encourage people to think more practically in terms

00:05:48.700 of what we can actually do in the short term and also the long term to try and turn this

00:05:53.740 country around.

00:05:55.860 And I would like to, after I kind of complete my statement addressing sort of the protest

00:06:00.500 that you were suggesting, I kind of do, I would like to go over kind of like our both

00:06:06.120 different versions of like what our vision is for the future of how we could turn this

00:06:11.120 country around because i'm i'm very curious what dismantling the entire system looks like

00:06:16.480 um and i'm hoping that you could kind of go first with that because i because i i have my own kind

00:06:21.880 of take on that but um yeah i mean you i i saw a tweet of yours i guess going viral and it was

00:06:30.240 hey guys let's do another convoy let's protest the prorogation of parliament something along

00:06:36.120 those lines is that is that accurate yeah and you know just to be clear the it was never the only

00:06:42.620 reason why i chose convoy 2024 hashtag it was you know specifically because any you know if i would

00:06:49.020 have chose prorogation 2024 or you know some random hashtag 2024 i knew it wouldn't have gotten

00:06:55.100 uh traction like i've tried to put hashtags out there uh for a very long time um so i use that

00:07:01.200 that hashtag specifically to try to get it to to get traction but it made it very clear that it was

00:07:07.780 all about you know prorogation uh protesting prorogation and the reason why i felt that that

00:07:13.680 was you know something um that we should be doing is because uh you know justin trudeau uh you know

00:07:21.000 put out a post in 2011 specifically stating that he was protesting prorogation of the harper

00:07:27.340 government so i said okay you know we already have you know uh established scenario where this

00:07:33.860 own government or you know our prime minister was out protesting prorogation um you know why don't

00:07:40.900 we use their own narrative um against them and that was that that was my my whole philosophy

00:07:48.700 that was my my entire um you know um game plan but i i know that at the end of the day you know

00:07:55.540 protesting and you know writing to members of parliament you know it it really doesn't do

00:08:00.840 anything but all i wanted was for people to at least get up off of their butts and do something

00:08:07.160 because you know i've been people have been saying you know oh you're you're there and you're posting

00:08:11.980 and you're tweeting but you know you're not really doing anything what are you trying to do to

00:08:17.000 organize something so i said okay this is an opportunity where we have clear precedent in the

00:08:21.620 past um you know shutting down parliament is is kind of a big thing um you know why don't we

00:08:28.020 so it was basically a call to action to to do something that that was that was the entire uh

00:08:35.800 you know so behind it so the the thrust of my main criticism of this um truck you know trucker

00:08:41.980 convoy 2.0 protesting parliament um the prorogation of parliament was i said this is probably you

00:08:49.120 might as well be wearing a conservative party of Canada t-shirt at this uh at this demonstration

00:08:54.760 because it would just be kind of usurped or used by Pierre Polyev the conservative party of Canada

00:09:00.280 so and wouldn't you know it they're actually doing a uh he uh Polyev just announced a rally

00:09:06.000 uh Canada first rally in Ottawa uh like a few days from now uh so I guess my question is like do you

00:09:11.960 support Pierre Polyev no like if you look through my posts you know I'm very critical of of him no

00:09:18.280 that's fine that's fine that's it was a yes or no question so why um you know what did you think

00:09:24.340 of that criticism that i had towards your you know your convoy idea like did you take that seriously

00:09:30.580 or well i understood where you're coming from but like like if you're a ppc if you support the ppc

00:09:37.440 your main objective or your primary objective should be and this is my thought process you

00:09:42.640 correct me if i'm wrong should be to try to get pierre polyev in as fast as possible because the

00:09:49.360 sooner he can do it the sooner he's gonna like you know re-nag or you know turn hard left or

00:09:55.380 you know um abandon his voting base like every single conservative uh leader has done uh for

00:10:02.460 you know since the dawn of time um you know then it would be an opportunity for you know the ppc to

00:10:09.760 come out and say okay you know the conservatives abandoned you again you know look at this as as

00:10:15.500 maybe a viable option but now uh because of the prorogation what is likely going to happen is

00:10:22.100 mark carney is going to be installed uh as prime minister and then and then the media is going to

00:10:27.620 turn the uh the talking points to you know u.s attacking uh canada through you know economic war

00:10:35.620 and whatnot which is going to change the entire outcome of any election and you know it could

00:10:41.360 knock Pierre Polyev down to a minority or even a coalition government that you know a liberal NDP

00:10:47.440 government can come and now you have another four years of you know you know Mark Carney or you know

00:10:53.820 a combination of both and and then you have conservatives you know waiting another four years

00:10:59.200 and then you just push the the the entire timeline back that much longer right so then you do then

00:11:07.660 in this organization of a convoy you kind of were hoping to push in polyev quicker that was kind of

00:11:14.600 like part of the goal then with with the well the goal would be to get rid of this government and

00:11:20.500 whoever is next uh to to to take that spot because that is you know the position you know if it was

00:11:27.260 maybe you know maxine bernier that was leading the polls then he would be the next benefit but

00:11:33.100 the goal would be to dissolve dissolve this government not have it not have it cling on to

00:11:38.620 power and potentially win an election um you know going into october or you know 2026 and now you

00:11:46.420 have this whole conservative movement still rallying behind pierre polyette um or whoever

00:11:51.760 replaces him and you know they won't be able to see the failures that he's going to bring up

00:11:58.000 uh until three or four years from now can i ask a question here kev what what do you think would

00:12:03.620 delay an election normal business as usual or an emergency in canada economic or otherwise

00:12:09.120 yeah like uh economic you know we already saw mark carney come out and and declare a a state

00:12:16.280 of crisis i mean he's a private citizen he he has about the same amount of power as i do uh so he

00:12:23.240 doesn't really have the the authority to to declare a crisis but this is what we're going to be doing

00:12:29.000 and if you took a take a look at the recent um you know ctv nanos poll i know it's propaganda news

00:12:34.740 uh but you know they're positioning mark carney uh way ahead of pierre polyev as who is best suited

00:12:41.040 to negotiate with Donald Trump on that specific question.

00:12:45.520 You know, Polyev is still, you know, winning in the overall voting.

00:12:50.720 But on that specific question, you know, he's 42 points versus, you know, 21 points for the CPC.

00:12:58.580 So that just tells you if the ballot question changes, you know, and you can see how they're campaigning.

00:13:06.080 Mark Carney and Christopher Freeland, you know, get rid of the carbon tax, get rid of the capital games tax and basically neutering all the CPC talking points.

00:13:16.280 And you can already see that their their support over the last week or two is it is starting is starting to dive.

00:13:23.440 So if that trend continues for the next, you know, three, six months and they see that, you know, in the polls, you may not need to.

00:13:31.300 they may not need to delay an election, but if they feel that they need to get that much more

00:13:36.320 time, an extra six months, an extra year, for sure they can declare a fake crisis in France

00:13:41.120 and sell us more power. Kevin, have you been following politics for a long time in Canada?

00:13:46.600 I have. Yeah, because you sound very in tune with the polls and the changing and shifting

00:13:52.400 trends between these major establishment parties. And I guess I find it very interesting because

00:13:57.580 you don't as jason said at the beginning don't you want to like dissolve the whole system or

00:14:03.380 something i i do but i understand that it's a process it it's not going to happen overnight

00:14:11.120 uh it could take like you know 20 30 40 years you know even yuri bezmanov said if we you know

00:14:17.080 start the clock right now it would take you know at least two or three generations to change back

00:14:21.880 the tides to normalcy to liberty and independence so you know it's not going to start i'm not going

00:14:27.860 to say tomorrow you know we're going to wake up and they're you know you know dismantle the system

00:14:33.220 and you know everything is going to be gone it's going to be you know complete chaos because you

00:14:37.320 know that number one it would be delusional thinking that would that would never happen

00:14:41.100 uh and so it it does take a process and unfortunately you know there are a lot of

00:14:49.080 people in in canada that you know see only only two parties they see red and and they see blue

00:14:56.760 uh you know and so i i feel that in order to speed up the process we need to get team blue in

00:15:05.000 as as fast as possible so they can you know screw up you know like like i said and you know maybe

00:15:12.380 The if the voter if the voter at least has, you know, integrity and intellectual honesty with themselves, they can, you know, come to the foregone conclusion that, OK, we are in a uniparty voting for conservative and liberal back and forth is is is not going to change anything.

00:15:31.440 Maybe we need to look at, you know, different options.

00:15:35.280 Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I wanted to go back to some things you said about, you know, some things about this protest that you suggested.

00:15:42.380 Uh, and kind of compare it to like a long-term solution versus a short-term solution. 0.88

00:15:46.640 Um, and I guess I thought it was funny that like, we got to get rid of this blue red dichotomy. 0.97

00:15:51.080 We got to get the blue guys in quicker. 0.92

00:15:53.340 And it's like, well, is that really like, that looks like more of like a short term sort of, um, action that doesn't really solve anything.

00:16:02.580 Um, but I guess I would like to kind of get you to explain what your vision looks like.

00:16:09.860 Well, actually, before that, actually, one quick question, you know, in terms of trying to turn this country around, would you rather have, you know, what do you think would be better, having a conservative majority with no PPC seats or a conservative majority with a couple of PPC seats?

00:16:29.180 Well, first of all, I don't think I think majority governments are wrong because they're basically de facto dictators.

00:16:35.880 So, you know, any majority government is wrong.

00:16:39.280 And even if there are some PPC seats in a majority government, they don't really have any power.

00:16:44.420 So a minority government would be, you know, the best suited with, you know, parties from across the spectrum.

00:16:49.900 So a few PPC, a few, you know, NDP, a few.

00:16:53.720 But if they're a minority government, they can't really get much done, right?

00:16:56.660 Because they're constantly. 0.69

00:16:58.560 That's that's kind of the point, right?

00:17:01.680 You know, whenever government gets things done, all it does is, you know, it brings more pain to the taxpayer.

00:17:08.680 and you know it doesn't really solve anything are you gonna what's your answer to my question though

00:17:14.480 of having a ppc seat or not having a ppc seat what do you think would be better

00:17:18.260 like which which would you prefer well i i would well obviously i would like to see the ppc represented

00:17:24.920 because you know you know the ppc to me is like the ndp to the liberals right the ndp has been

00:17:30.760 dragging the liberals to the left so you know by getting ppc uh in there it would you know move the

00:17:37.140 over the overton window um more to the right and the primary fault of of the cpc is they capitulate

00:17:43.920 to the mainstream media all the time um they they capitulate to the narrative so uh let's hear it

00:17:51.980 then thank you for answering that question let's hear it kev what does dissolving our current

00:17:58.780 government political system look like whether it's like a long-term vision middle-term goal

00:18:05.740 short-term goal what do you think people can can do to to accomplish this well first of all i i

00:18:14.200 guess i'll ask the question to you is what what is the point of having a federal government to

00:18:19.920 begin with if you take a look at their three primary tasks their primary tasks number one

00:18:25.860 is to protect the rights and liberty of the people number two is to protect the border security of

00:18:31.620 the country and number three is to fund a military and and protect them and create a military to

00:18:37.020 protect from you know foreign and domestic threats uh if you take a look at those primary examples

00:18:42.080 and if you had to grade the government uh you know on an a to an f minus on how they've done their job

00:18:47.660 what what grade would you give them yeah yeah probably not a good one but that's like saying

00:18:53.800 a house is supposed to have a roof it's supposed to have plumbing um just because you have a a house

00:19:00.300 with a leaky roof and bad plumbing doesn't mean that you reject houses doesn't mean you don't

00:19:04.600 want to live in a house ever again it's like no you just need a better house you need to fix the

00:19:08.140 roof you need to fix the plumbing so this idea of just because the plumbing or the roof doesn't work

00:19:13.000 just because the military or the border is not secure right now doesn't mean we should just

00:19:17.780 throw out the mechanisms that would otherwise actually run that stuff properly so the the you

00:19:23.640 know my my point of view would be to download the powers from the federal government uh to you know

00:19:28.720 more local um you know provincial municipal governments because if you take a look at the

00:19:33.760 you know the two primary uh areas where you know governments spend the most money

00:19:37.620 they're in you know health care and in education both of those are provincial mandates already

00:19:42.800 so you know there's you can basically replace everything that the federal government does

00:19:50.040 at the provincial level um by transferring their powers uh downward uh so basically even for the

00:19:56.560 Military and the border, though?

00:19:58.320 Like, we have the largest unprotected border.

00:20:00.620 How does that make sense if you want to do it locally the whole way across?

00:20:04.900 So if you take a look at, you know, how the United States was founded, it was founded as, you know, 50, or we're going to call it now 50 individual countries under one union, where each individual nation had its own, you know, National Guard, right?

00:20:18.860 And the National Guard's primary goal was to protect the border of that nation within the union.

00:20:24.240 So it would be very easy for, you know, each province to create some sort of, you know, National Guard to protect, you know, borders and whatnot.

00:20:36.660 You know, especially if you take a look at our military, right, it doesn't serve the people, it serves the crown.

00:20:42.440 And, you know, they made that quite obvious during the COVID, where, you know, military operations, they were spying on people.

00:20:49.180 They were using psychological operations on the Canadian people.

00:20:52.440 So right off the bat, it tells you that, you know, the Canadian military is compromised and is not in the best interest of, you know, we the people.

00:21:01.600 It's in the best interest of the crown and the state.

00:21:04.220 So they should lose their right to even, you know, form a military and maybe look at, you know, another solution.

00:21:13.380 So, again, it's downloading the powers of the federal government.

00:21:17.860 Because let's be honest here.

00:21:19.780 There is no there's, you know, Ottawa. And then you take a look at, you know, people from, you know, St. John's to people from, you know, Victoria and everywhere in between.

00:21:30.200 There's a lot of different viewpoints. There's a lot of different ideologies.

00:21:33.840 And there are people out west. They don't feel that they're well represented by, you know, you know, Ottawa government.

00:21:41.080 So why not take away the power of Ottawa altogether and bring it to more of a local government where, you know, the people feel that they have more power to affect change instead of being, you know, ruled over by tyrants thousands of miles away?

00:21:58.140 yeah so um i i think i disagree with that i think kind of dissolving the federal government would

00:22:05.600 would add more chaos and uh it doesn't even speak to the actual corruption it's like could not

00:22:11.860 could there not just be corrupt bureaucrats at the provincial level the municipal level of course

00:22:15.660 we can find that yeah so that doesn't solve that problem though right and i do want to take a step

00:22:19.520 back here because i kind of entertained your frame there for a second but you know you're you

00:22:25.280 we'll wave our wand and we'll download the power to the provincial government and the municipal

00:22:30.960 government um this is what i'm talking about when it comes to being practical um i don't have a

00:22:36.960 magic wand that does that i don't think you do either so once again how long-term vision middle

00:22:43.580 term vision short-term vision what does the actual solution look like in your mind to it to to

00:22:48.520 accomplish a seismic change like this but it's inevitable right when you know the government

00:22:54.980 the federal government becomes bankrupt and they can no longer borrow and you know borrow money

00:23:00.280 that's printed out of thin air when they can no longer pay their obligations when they're in when

00:23:04.620 the interest payments are higher than the taxes coming in when they declare bankruptcy that is

00:23:11.720 inevitable it's going to happen what's going to happen that the federal government will declare

00:23:19.340 bankruptcy and there will be no federal well we we don't know what happens after that we haven't

00:23:25.460 had a system where you know our federal government has declared bankruptcy but that it's inevitable

00:23:29.240 in a fiat-based monetary system which the system that we live in so we wait till that happens

00:23:34.400 and then what we we run to the local city hall to try and get a seat to get power

00:23:39.000 these are like these are really important questions like if you're if we're going to

00:23:44.200 talk about the future of the country and how we're going to try and move forward and turn it around

00:23:48.040 you're saying wait till i go back bankrupt and then what it'll be a cash grab it'll be

00:23:52.760 trying to grab seats in the parliament like like what do you mean man well my question is i don't

00:23:58.420 understand why people are so adamant in in in trying to maintain the power of the state you

00:24:04.000 know yeah no but i'm talking about solutions we can talk all day about how the system could be

00:24:09.720 better i agree with you the system could be better we got to get rid of these corrupt people they

00:24:13.480 don't even serve the people i totally agree with you how are we going to do that well if you want

00:24:19.960 if you want the number the the you know the most effective way you know whether it's gonna you know

00:24:25.720 likely or not is you have to abolish the central bank the central bank how are we going to abolish

00:24:31.920 the central bank like how does that happen how like you know like through through through education

00:24:38.220 and like i said this isn't going to happen next week next month next year five years from now

00:24:43.380 We got time. We got time to paint me a picture here of what of what educating people about abolishing the central bank.

00:24:52.240 What is what does that look like? Like, is there a political organization involved?

00:24:56.480 Is it going to be campaigning? Are you going to, you know, it's the government or what?

00:25:01.220 It's when it's when the currency becomes worthless and it's destroyed through hyperinflation and the fiat monetary system ceases to exist.

00:25:09.800 uh that's when the the central bank would be you know basically uh be ridding of itself

00:25:15.480 but kevin to be practical and i think it's where greg's trying to go with this is what would that

00:25:20.640 actually look like and i can see if canada even came close to that it would be the government

00:25:24.920 bringing central bank digital currency or some other solution to the table international money

00:25:29.940 or something along those lines they they would try like the bank of international settlements

00:25:34.300 you know would try and come in and and offer monetary fund the global bank all like yeah

00:25:40.480 so the question i guess the question is how would that look like you know practical what needs to

00:25:47.640 happen and what needs to happen is people have to you know need to be dealt much more pain you know

00:25:54.060 the number one the number one um but i don't see a protest saying more pain more pain being

00:26:00.300 successful so i'm not sure how you can accelerate that but a little more practical just one second

00:26:05.300 a little bit more practical as you were on to something carney's coming in there's a deal with

00:26:09.920 sing already about economic relief they are pushing the levers of a trade war they're not

00:26:14.680 trying to pull back at all uh they've already signaled they're not going to be complying with

00:26:18.460 trump within 30 days so we're heading in that direction and if carney is selected which it

00:26:22.620 looks like we could be seeing at some sort of type of ubi being put in place which would accelerate

00:26:28.140 the pain you're talking about but not for most canadians most canadians are going to take that

00:26:32.660 check and that money and and just be ignorant with it there's very few people know about what

00:26:37.900 will happen like you do and greg knows uh but how do you get more people to understand it kev i think

00:26:43.260 is a question here well that that's that's the you know that's economic pain they they you know

00:26:47.840 the pain has to be you know uh knock on knock on their front door when you know they have to choose

00:26:52.520 between you know paying the rent or you know buying groceries um and because the the they're

00:26:57.820 going to send checks before that happens is that starting to happen they're going to bail us out

00:27:02.900 and that's going to or it'll happen and the media will say you know it's because of

00:27:07.440 the conservative racists that this is happening you know like they'll spin the narrative and

00:27:12.320 they'll vilify some faction of society that that benefits uh the ruling class they can say what

00:27:18.640 but they can say whatever they want but what it would do it would it would destroy the purchasing

00:27:22.880 power of of the currency and it would drive up living costs right that and and the number one

00:27:28.680 reason the number one issue that has toppled governments more than any other issue uh is

00:27:33.960 rising food prices and when food prices rise above 40 percent of you know median income um the the

00:27:40.960 um the scenario or the situation to you know overthrow the state becomes more more favorable

00:27:48.420 than you know peacefully complying uh through you know slavery and and tyranny so that that is

00:27:55.280 you know it what is the practical solution food prices have to go to about 40 percent of what

00:28:00.260 people make uh for them to see that you know how much pain this is for them to actually get up and

00:28:06.020 violently revolt against the system i don't disagree but what i'm trying to i don't know

00:28:10.640 about the violently revolt part but but i don't but that's that that's that's that's what history

00:28:14.960 recess happens. Can you give an example? Can you give an example? Because you're mentioning a

00:28:23.300 toppling of government? Can you give an example of like, a model of where this has happened and

00:28:28.560 where you think it'll happen in Canada? Well, it just happened recently in Sri Lanka, right?

00:28:33.200 You know, we saw that that was, you know, it may be six months or a year ago, Arab Springs was

00:28:39.640 another you know example um you know uh again caused by rising food prices you know venezuela

00:28:45.940 you know central america um you know countries in the middle east you know it's you know it's it's

00:28:52.500 it's it's a it's a process that just repeats over and over through throughout history so so you want

00:28:59.520 you want to so you know i want to get it's not it's not what i want it's just you know understanding

00:29:05.960 that that is the cycle right so i'm kind of asking you like what your sort of vision is

00:29:11.640 or what the goal should be and i want to get to mine but to like to summarize yours are

00:29:17.880 wait until things get worse and maybe there's going to be a violent uprising like is that your

00:29:24.280 solution in a nutshell or well i think you said wait for it to get worse then we bankrupt and

00:29:29.400 then the system kind of resets to the provinces or something along those lines kev is that along

00:29:33.640 the right lines well let's be honest you know we can go out there and do things all we want right

00:29:39.680 but until there is a national movement to actually affect change nothing will happen and you know

00:29:46.120 what three four percent of the population is really all you need um to cause a violent change

00:29:52.940 in the political in the political structure of a country uh and and we we don't even have that

00:29:59.360 You know, I would love I would love to, you know, get up and do something right now. But unfortunately, again, there's not enough people that have been dealt, you know, that pain. And you'd think that, you know, going through COVID that would have been much higher of a number. But, you know, everybody just kind of, you know, went back to watching Netflix and whatever.

00:30:18.020 So, again, it's not what I want.

00:30:23.100 It's just understanding what the natural progression of the system would be.

00:30:29.460 It's a giant pendulum swinging back and forth between collectivism and individualism.

00:30:35.300 And that pendulum could take 200, 300 years to swing fully.

00:30:39.820 what makes you think if there is this sort of uh you know collapse of sorts and this shift of power

00:30:48.400 what makes you think that the people who usurp the power next will have the best interest of

00:30:53.560 people in mind of the people in mind well that's that's a very good question and you know history

00:30:58.980 has also said that you know they they won't and then you know one tyrant is is replaced with it 0.57

00:31:04.480 with another tyrant um so we're talking about solutions here kevin this sounds like a black

00:31:12.040 pill cycle of just more decay and destruction and then more new tyrants moving the the answer

00:31:19.380 the answer is to remoral i guess you know the answer would be what can we do is to remoralize

00:31:25.120 society you know you know society has been demoralized to such an extent um that you know

00:31:31.860 they're no longer able to access, you know, risk in, you know,

00:31:37.720 against themselves, against, you know, their, their family,

00:31:40.640 against their community, against, you know, their own livelihoods.

00:31:43.900 And, and it's a process that's, you know,

00:31:45.820 taken decades to, to, to inflict on society and it'll take, you know,

00:31:51.860 decades to unravel on society. So, you know, what can we do right now?

00:31:56.700 You know, what is a call to action right now? You know,

00:31:59.840 start focusing on um you know um you know what is it nuclear you know building you know stronger

00:32:08.260 ties with families stronger ties with you know community um local localized um you know start

00:32:15.740 you know learning you know teaching you know your kids um things of of value um that that may have

00:32:23.100 um you know much more value in a new paradigm like you know working with your hands electrician

00:32:28.540 you know, plenty of trades, stuff like that, instead of, you know, the academic nonsense that has absolutely no value, you know, in today's system.

00:32:38.880 So I guess that would be, you know, the call to action is to is more primarily focused on the education aspect.

00:32:47.620 You know, educating people on, you know, the dangers of the system, educating people on the dangers of complying with the system,

00:32:56.420 educating people on you know the dangers of our monetary system and i believe that it is the

00:33:02.200 monetary system that is the most dangerous to our freedoms and liberties and if people really

00:33:07.980 understood how dangerous it was like henry ford said there would be a revolution by by by tomorrow

00:33:13.280 morning uh but people don't understand these concepts and it's because that then they're

00:33:18.220 allowed to get away with um you know um everything that that they get away with and

00:33:23.440 And so I guess, you know, a call to action, a practical solution is to become more localized and to try to focus on things that you can change, rather than focusing on things that you cannot change.

00:33:38.560 Things you can change are things in your immediate area, which is primarily your family and how you spend your money, where you spend your money, your local connections.

00:33:54.820 um you know like i live on on a farm in quebec and you know building connections with you know

00:34:00.300 local farmers and um and and whatnot for you know dairy or meats and try to get away from you know

00:34:07.140 the corporatism uh you know try to get away from you know that type of style um i guess that would

00:34:13.280 be you know the immediate the immediate call to action you know be prepared for with you know you

00:34:18.480 know crisis currencies um you know things that will hold value if you know something does happen

00:34:25.160 uh and if nothing happens then you have a bunch of crisis currencies like you know alcohol tobacco

00:34:30.880 firearms ammunition you know just the basics coffee um you know just just stuff like that

00:34:36.260 be prepared for the worst but you know hope for the best type of thing so you know and again to

00:34:41.000 answer your question you know call to action what can we do right now um educating you know people

00:34:48.140 in your in your circle of influence on on the dangers and you know the hardest part about that

00:34:53.900 is having your circle of influence actually listen to you because you know i can get better success

00:35:00.080 with random strangers listen to me than people in my immediate family so um again there's i wish i

00:35:08.380 had an all in all solutions that you know this is the map this is how i see everything is going to

00:35:13.060 happen and i have a crystal ball and i can predict everything but i i don't i don't i just i just know

00:35:18.520 that i don't like you know the idea of uh of a federal government oppressing its people uh i

00:35:24.920 don't like their high taxes i don't like the fact that they treat us like you know free-range slaves

00:35:29.700 on their tax farm uh and i think that this system especially if you take a look at you know canada

00:35:34.960 uh we should be the most prosperous people in the world there's no reason for us to you know even

00:35:40.160 have to pay taxes there's no reason for us to even be in debt uh but but we are um and you know

00:35:45.980 the only reason for that is we've been sold out by governments uh for for decades for decades and

00:35:51.640 decades all right so i'm gonna throw it now to greg because i heard kevin's solution which

00:35:56.560 really isn't one it's just be ready for the situation when it comes up uh he didn't say

00:36:01.740 toilet paper but he said everything else other than toilet paper to be ready for uh what is your

00:36:05.900 opinion greg because i don't think i like what kevin said a couple times was in history this is

00:36:11.140 how it always happens but he provided three examples and historically what actually happens

00:36:15.440 is the government does shift a bit and starts going back to the right and then starts going

00:36:18.820 back to the left start going back to the right um and it does change over time and we're seeing

00:36:23.960 some dramatic changes with trump and that's with the non-violent resolution a revolution

00:36:28.880 so what are your thoughts about what kev said and what are your plans are greg

00:36:32.740 yeah yeah i i appreciate you sharing all that kevin thanks jason there is a um you know i've

00:36:40.400 been following politics tumbling down the rabbit hole for some time now and uh you know people

00:36:46.320 like to think that there's a solution outside of the system somehow and i tell them even if there

00:36:52.580 was an apocalypse tomorrow you know they're all technology fails it's some sort of dystopian

00:36:58.620 wasteland there's still going to be a political nature to the world there's going to be strong

00:37:05.720 men there's going to be strong men who usurp the resources and the weapons and they're going to

00:37:11.120 use those weapons and resources and start to build a network start to create a you know economy all

00:37:18.260 that's going to happen and there's going to be people in charge this is human nature this is

00:37:23.480 human nature i i i understand i understand i understand that it's the tribalism aspect that

00:37:28.120 goes back to caveman days like it's not it's it's it's it's your tribe yeah yeah so let me give me

00:37:35.040 some time to share all my thoughts here because it's you know it's connecting to with with some

00:37:39.060 of what you said which is you know when you're saying there's going to be this failure of uh

00:37:44.400 of the system or that we're going to go bankrupt you know do you really think the people who are

00:37:48.340 in power now would create this opportunity for other people to come and hey you know what we

00:37:54.800 we're bankrupt now someone else should take over you know if anything they are planning this and

00:38:00.460 they are planning the next step and uh so just kind of waiting for that to happen is obviously

00:38:05.560 foolish and i also bring up this whole concept of the human nature of people even in an apocalypse

00:38:11.100 to have there be some sort of hierarchy or structure um that's always at play here that's 0.97

00:38:17.380 always at play so if you want to educate a lot of people about you know the central bank if you want

00:38:23.020 to mobilize a lot of people to you know focus on your own community and focus on localism you need

00:38:31.240 to engage in some degree of organization and in some in some cases some degree of politics this

00:38:36.880 is always at play organizing people and moving them in the same direction getting them following

00:38:42.820 the same leader singing the same tune thinking the same way this is what politics is whether

00:38:49.320 there's a structure or not that is what is is going to happen um and i think that you know

00:38:56.620 the manifestation of this convoy people saying hey let's vote for pierre let's become part of

00:39:03.300 america it speaks to how desperate a lot of people are here in canada and they're defeated

00:39:09.280 and they don't see any easy solutions so they come up with some of these kind of i call them

00:39:15.900 like death star solutions like hey we just got to go in there shoot a missile into the death star

00:39:20.840 and the whole thing explodes that's right the best example of this was norman traversy in 2020

00:39:25.640 norman traversy created this pdf file and said i'm going to arrest justin trudeau for being a

00:39:31.060 pedophile or something and all these people got on board he raised i think over a hundred thousand

00:39:35.840 dollars or something and then he got the pdf and he put it into the mail slot for the the u.s embassy

00:39:43.040 and nothing happened but it felt good it felt good to believe in this story this norman traversy

00:39:49.660 story of like hey we're gonna you know we're gonna arrest trudeau and sovereign citizens have the

00:39:54.560 same sort of argument where they say hey guys we're actually a corporation oh my god read this

00:40:00.020 PDF file. We're going to change everything. And even if all that was true, you know, you need to

00:40:06.000 get enough people on board to believe that, to implement that. And why I always try to dial in

00:40:12.520 these conversations and bring it back down to reality is we have no political power right now.

00:40:19.520 People who think like us have no political power right now. And in the worst cases, we don't even

00:40:25.120 have any sort of institutional power and i'm going to go into segue into my solution of what

00:40:32.260 this can look look like in the long term spoiler alert it's a lot of hard work it's a lot of toil

00:40:38.420 it's a lot of building stuff from nothing um ever since the convoy i realized that you know just

00:40:46.300 having activists isn't enough it can work in a short-term sprint in an emergency situation when

00:40:52.120 The government's really out of control, and in many respects, that's what the trucker convoy was.

00:40:56.740 Activists kind of coming out of the woodwork because it was so insane what the government was doing,

00:41:00.280 and that worked in the short term.

00:41:02.600 But in terms of long-term change in the country, we don't just need activists.

00:41:08.000 We need entrepreneurs.

00:41:09.640 We need professionals.

00:41:11.040 We need organizations.

00:41:12.380 We need sophisticated political movements to grow our own networks of influence,

00:41:17.400 sometimes more overtly connected to politics, other times not at all connected to politics.

00:41:21.520 Maybe you're just like a hunting club.

00:41:23.180 Maybe you're, you know, maybe you like to homestead, you know, building things like

00:41:27.520 this.

00:41:27.940 They don't have to be directly connected to politics, but they can still kind of cultivate

00:41:30.820 our same belief system or what we want for the future of the country, right?

00:41:35.220 There's a lot of different ways to influence change.

00:41:37.540 And I bring this up to like paint this picture of a network of professional organized individuals,

00:41:44.220 entrepreneurs, because our politically, our political enemies do this very effectively.

00:41:49.020 You know, you have the liberals pushing climate change policies, and then you have a whole slew of professional organizations backing them up, nonprofits, people in the corporate world pushing the same policies.

00:42:00.700 They call it the managerial class, right?

00:42:03.660 And they're in power positions in the corporate world, in politics, and they work together to accomplish their ends.

00:42:09.700 And this is not easy.

00:42:11.540 This is not simple.

00:42:12.620 and part of the solution is to have successful people who think like us in power positions

00:42:20.880 or starting to grow our own organizations and political movements it's going to be a long slog

00:42:26.600 like you said it could take generations but in it's it starts with that type of building

00:42:31.880 and people like to crap on the ppc say they're not going to win and that speaks to the very sad

00:42:39.880 attitude that i said a lot of canadians have like they're a defeated child we can't win this game 0.96

00:42:45.980 sucks let's just go for polyev let's just do a convoy let's just become america let's just 0.96

00:42:52.340 destroy the whole government you know it's very it's very it's a it's a defeated child type 0.98

00:42:56.580 attitude i have a question for you quickly while we're on this topic you know why do you think

00:43:01.580 why do you think a ppc can't win why do you think they say that like i i have my my suspicions as

00:43:08.280 to why, but why do you think that is? I mean, that's sort of a different topic, and we could

00:43:15.240 get to that in a second, but I'm going to kind of speak to why supporting the PPC and engaging with

00:43:19.500 the PPC is really important first, if you don't mind, because that is where I started. That is

00:43:27.460 where I connected with like-minded people. I got a message the other day from this young guy on

00:43:33.220 Twitter, and he's like, hey, man, I'm worried about the country. I really like you. What do

00:43:37.420 i think about like you know what should i think about this what should i do how can i help and i

00:43:42.140 told them you know checking out your local ppc chapter is a pretty good start you'll find like

00:43:48.860 minded people in regards to politics maybe you'll vibe with them maybe you won't you know i wouldn't

00:43:54.740 even necessarily poo poo the idea of checking out like a local conservative party thing just to kind

00:43:59.300 of like get your feet wet and like see what's going on unfortunately though i think if you have

00:44:03.540 good intuition you'll see that the cpc is this massive machine that you are a peon in and will

00:44:10.600 have no influence over whereas if you go to a ppc event or part of like start to join their

00:44:16.880 organization you'll see you have a lot of freedom actually to pull levers and and to try stuff out

00:44:21.480 try to affect the messaging try to you know shake hands and say what you want where you can't really

00:44:26.520 speak freely when you're part of the conservative party but the point is like the ppc they represent

00:44:31.080 a great starting point for people in Canada

00:44:33.500 who do want to change something.

00:44:35.060 And as I said, it was a starting point for me.

00:44:36.760 I volunteered, I became a candidate.

00:44:39.000 Now I'm working on a documentary,

00:44:40.820 building a media company.

00:44:42.580 You know, this is why it's important

00:44:45.620 to look at professional organizations.

00:44:49.380 Maybe they're not perfect.

00:44:51.300 Maybe they won't win.

00:44:52.900 But there's still a starting point for people

00:44:55.180 to get together and start organizing something.

00:44:59.380 Maybe it will be some other organization that's not the PPC, but that's how they met.

00:45:04.700 I'm sure there's many such examples of this that have quite literally already been the case.

00:45:10.920 But that's more or less my kind of opening statement or kind of summary of what the solution looks like.

00:45:17.300 It looks like hard work.

00:45:18.380 It looks like building.

00:45:20.060 And I guess I'll close by saying I don't really think I'm a populist necessarily.

00:45:24.440 For those that don't know, populism is this idea that it's the people against the ruling elite.

00:45:29.240 and the ruling class, and the people need to rise up.

00:45:32.780 I think it's a useful framework.

00:45:34.520 I think pretty well every single political party

00:45:39.360 uses this framework.

00:45:41.260 You know, Justin Trudeau will say, 0.94

00:45:42.740 hey, we got to stand up against the corrupt white system

00:45:47.480 and help out diversity, that sort of thing.

00:45:50.040 Like, there's a populist frame there.

00:45:52.340 And of course, the conservatives do a similar thing.

00:45:55.780 But I think that why populism is a bit misguided is it kind of rejects the idea of having an elite or rejects the idea of having a powerful ruling class.

00:46:10.720 When I think in reality, it might not even seem realistic for a lot of people right now, but we need our own ruling class who thinks like us, who is near the levers of power, who can make seismic changes to the country.

00:46:24.160 and we're seeing a great example with trump right now in the states where you know is is he some

00:46:29.620 kind of like farmer populist guy no he's he he's a businessman and he's he's making major moves and

00:46:35.860 thankfully he's at least started to do some deportations you need the the power of the

00:46:40.140 federal government to do that and if we i i think deportations is going to be it is super necessary

00:46:47.580 given how many illegal people are here now and especially soon when these visas expire

00:46:51.540 we need the power of the federal government to do that sure they might all be corrupt right now

00:46:57.060 but if we slowly build these political organizations get people who think like us

00:47:02.680 not necessarily in politics but also in the corporate world who can work together as a

00:47:08.040 network like our enemies do then we can take back our institutions and reform canada to its former

00:47:14.600 glory and what i'm just going to talk on there before i throw it to kevin is i think there's

00:47:19.880 another definition here greg of populism but more of a modern populism where you're right

00:47:25.440 historically it was to replace the elite get rid of the governing party from the people

00:47:29.980 but a more modern one is uh the understanding that we are in a society where there's going to

00:47:35.400 be elite and you kind of need them you need them to have the jobs and have the big companies and

00:47:39.020 the big factories but where the people put accountability into the government and into

00:47:44.820 the elite is where i think the modern populism movement is where the people are demanding

00:47:48.820 accountability to the people and also some input by the people not every four years or every five

00:47:53.620 years when there's election but throughout uh representation and that's where i think

00:47:58.180 a modern populism movement is is where we're trying to push that into the current system

00:48:03.060 uh of accountability and add accountability genuine accountability

00:48:06.580 uh so i just wanted to throw that in there a little bit and then kevin i'm throwing it back

00:48:09.620 to you because your question was uh why can't ppc get a seat i think if you look at ppc like a

00:48:15.300 carbon copy of any traditional party you're looking at it wrong because the ppc hasn't created uh

00:48:23.540 hey guys if you're enjoying the stream make sure you support the documentary i'm working on give

00:48:28.580 singo.com save free speech thanks for watching like the traditional parties do ppc creates a

00:48:36.420 platform for normal average people like myself and others to go ahead and put themselves forward

00:48:41.860 as an option to the people so it's more of a platform than it is a party uh and it's and when

00:48:47.360 i say platform i don't necessarily mean what what ideas are we aligning with i quite literally mean

00:48:52.660 like there's a microphone and you go up there and start speaking to people and putting your ideas

00:48:56.560 out there that's what's very different with the ppc and canada's not used to that yet they're used

00:49:01.480 to polished professional pandering politicians right that's what they're used to uh so when

00:49:07.160 they see somebody who's not polished he's not pandering he's not professional all the time

00:49:11.400 And sometimes they use words that are crass and stuff.

00:49:14.240 They're not used to that yet.

00:49:15.560 But what they will learn, hopefully,

00:49:17.740 and hopefully it doesn't require what you're asking for,

00:49:19.800 what they can learn is we're everyday people

00:49:23.600 and we actually know what is needed

00:49:25.320 because we live in these communities.

00:49:27.040 And this is exactly what the House of Commons was designed for.

00:49:30.020 Now, I want to throw it back to you, Kevin.

00:49:31.260 I'm going to say this is where I'm coming from,

00:49:33.120 where the PPC have those seats.

00:49:34.560 But why should we stay in a parliamentary system?

00:49:37.020 And what about moving towards a republic

00:49:39.000 versus tearing everything down?

00:49:40.880 just move it towards a republic with more representation from the people and take a step

00:49:45.400 i i mean you know that is you know substantially better than than the westminster system that we

00:49:52.120 that we live in now where you know the it's basically top down right so you know the

00:49:57.260 government section one of the charter says you know they can you know suspend your rights and

00:50:01.420 you know we saw that over over covid uh so you know a republic where the rights are you know

00:50:08.660 bottom up you know of the people and then you know they transfer a portion of it to a governing body

00:50:14.100 to to to make decisions uh much like how the united states was founded um that that would be

00:50:19.780 you know substantially better uh and then enshrine you know property rights and you know firearms

00:50:25.060 rights um you know to protect your your property and your your freedom of speech i think those three

00:50:30.980 are are are paramount but you know i i think that you know the main reason why you know ppc

00:50:37.700 is having a hard time you know getting seats it has nothing to do with the the platform of the

00:50:42.960 party has nothing to do with the leader Maxime Bernier like I've been following Maxime Bernier

00:50:47.600 since about 2015 2014 uh first on you know Facebook and then on here so you know I was

00:50:55.360 well aware of him uh as a conservative MP and followed his career um and you know you talked

00:51:01.660 about you know ppc bringing you into this uh into this area or into this um you know

00:51:07.740 um you know it you talked about ppc being that that area for you greg uh for for me it was you

00:51:15.680 know the libertarian party that was uh you know that that you know i really aligned myself around

00:51:20.900 and this was probably and i guess it would have been like 20 i don't know when when the election

00:51:26.800 was 2015 or something like that um you know even before the ppc was started uh but yeah

00:51:33.200 sorry to go off tangent here but the problem is not with the ppc or the uh the leader the problem

00:51:40.360 is that canadians as a whole are too far to the left there there's too much socialist ideology

00:51:48.100 um and and that is that is the major problem you know even the conservative party of canada

00:51:54.540 is left of center right you know i lived in the united states for many years and you know the cpc

00:52:00.380 would you know align more closely with the democratic party than and then they would with

00:52:05.340 with the republican party i mean they they they're protecting socialist style uh uh dairy cartel the

00:52:12.540 the um supply management um you know they they they have no issue protecting socialized health

00:52:19.100 care you know these are socialized systems that you know canadians have come to rely on and live

00:52:25.500 by but not understanding the true cost or the dangers of it especially economically um so you

00:52:32.700 know that is the goal is to shift the overtone window uh back to the right um and and i think

00:52:39.660 that is something that you know you know people like me because you know i'm just one guy people

00:52:45.500 like you greg you know we're we're we're talking on here we're trying to bring the conversation

00:52:50.860 you know back to the right and whether you agree with my you know my vision or not

00:52:55.980 um you know i think we can you know come to the conclusion that we both want you know a better

00:53:02.380 country and you know a better standard of living you know however we approach it that that might

00:53:07.420 be different you have your style i i have my style uh but i think that the our end goal uh is you

00:53:14.620 you know, pretty much aligned, um, you know, in terms of, you know, of, of what we have to do or

00:53:21.640 what, you know, our, our, our, our, you know, what we would like to see. And that's to see more

00:53:26.880 freedom, more Liberty, uh, you know, less taxation, less oppression. And that is ultimately the goal.

00:53:35.020 Yeah, sure. I mean, but that's, that's really simple though, isn't it? Like, it's very simple

00:53:38.740 to just say, Hey, we want the same thing. We want a better quality of life. Um, and I think the,

00:53:43.960 value in having conversations like

00:53:46.180 this is to hash out what the best approach

00:53:48.260 is, what the best method

00:53:50.100 is, what is the best

00:53:52.280 way to push the Overton window for example

00:53:54.120 I really think

00:53:56.160 that Maxime Bernier

00:53:58.340 should be saying terms like 0.91

00:54:00.240 we need to stop the foreign invasion 1.00

00:54:02.420 we need 1.00

00:54:04.020 mass deportations now 0.95

00:54:06.220 like these radical

00:54:08.040 statements, they're not even that radical

00:54:10.180 honestly, deporting people would just be

00:54:12.140 upholding the rule of law

00:54:13.240 but um yeah but more often jason like more often and people need to adopt this rhetoric on mass

00:54:20.580 that would be great that's what happened with trump with build a wall you know he didn't even

00:54:25.920 say stop mass immigration he said build a wall which was this beautiful visual that's that really

00:54:31.900 pushed the overton window and yeah he got called racist for it all that stuff but this is that is

00:54:37.480 really where the rubber meets the road that's really where the progress is made when the media

00:54:41.680 starts attacking you when the Ottawa bubble, when the ruling class, because it's really

00:54:46.440 all the same thing, the Ottawa bubble is represented by the, uh, the, the mass media in this country.

00:54:53.300 So anytime that the mass media is attacking you, that means the ruling class Ottawa bubble

00:54:58.060 does not like you.

00:54:59.020 So if you're not getting attacked by the media, uh, and getting called the worst types of

00:55:04.200 names, then I don't know if you're actually making any progress here.

00:55:06.580 and it's not just those even even you know other issues like you know you know covid never there

00:55:13.320 was no covid there was no pandemic you know climate change is uh you know a transfer of power

00:55:18.100 you know everything that you know it you know doesn't exist it's an authoritarian power grab

00:55:22.920 uh you know covid was the largest transfer of wealth in from you know the people to the upper

00:55:27.860 echelon of society there was no pandemic it was an economic crisis you know these things are you

00:55:33.000 know you have to be have to be said and i'm not too sure you know if you put these out but i try

00:55:38.100 to post these things on a regular uh and of course i get a lot of backlash on them but you know these

00:55:43.900 false paradigms that people live in and these you know these crises that people have come to accept

00:55:48.120 you know don't really exist only in but they only exist in the minds of authoritarians um so you

00:55:54.140 know we constantly again stuff very simple like there's you know there's only two genders and uh 0.98

00:55:59.680 you know, uh, liberal, you know, you know, your liberalism is a mental disorder, you know, 0.98

00:56:04.160 very simple things that, you know, is designed to, you know, kick the, kick the, you know, 0.99

00:56:09.700 the, the beehive, um, and, and, you know, create, at least create that conversation.

00:56:15.200 Um, but, but yeah, I, I, I would definitely agree with you on, on that point of view.

00:56:21.540 Could I, could I jump back to something else actually that you said?

00:56:24.580 Cause I, cause I hear it a lot. 0.90

00:56:25.860 It's, well, Canada is just a bunch of leftists, libtard socialists. 0.98

00:56:31.700 And let's kind of interrogate that for a second. 1.00

00:56:35.920 First of all, during COVID, we had majority, like, liberal voters who were like, 0.99

00:56:42.200 yeah, let's not let the unvaccinated into the restaurants. 1.00

00:56:46.960 Let's not let them travel. 1.00

00:56:48.780 Let's not let them on a plane or a train.

00:56:51.100 Is that like a loving liberal thing? 0.94

00:56:53.300 No, that's like a fascist.

00:56:55.100 That's like an authoritarian thing.

00:56:57.400 And the majority of the country, or at least a lot of people who voted for the liberals, supported this.

00:57:02.780 So this idea that they can't be like an aggressive strong, like Canadians don't have it in them to be an aggressive strong man, that's totally not the case.

00:57:11.320 We've already seen the ugly face of, you know, whatever you want to call it, leftist authoritarianism.

00:57:17.540 But the key word there is authoritarianism, a strong federal government that will impose aggressive measures.

00:57:25.100 So that is there.

00:57:26.060 And then secondly, there was a there was a poll or a study done.

00:57:30.280 I think it was published in the National Post recently about immigration or mass deportations.

00:57:34.440 And nearly half, nearly half of the country or half of the people who voted support deportations.

00:57:40.880 Sixty four percent.

00:57:42.020 Sixty four percent.

00:57:43.240 There you go.

00:57:43.760 Thank you, Jason.

00:57:44.600 So they're all 64 percent.

00:57:47.740 Are these aggressive nationalists, white supremacist racists like this idea that the appetite

00:57:54.160 to turn this country around 0.99

00:57:56.400 or be a more stronger, masculine, aggressive, racist person. 0.64

00:58:00.680 I totally reject that. 0.95

00:58:01.880 I think it's there.

00:58:02.940 I think you're just buying into the Ottawa bubble propaganda

00:58:06.220 that tells us, no, we're all just a bunch of soft. 1.00

00:58:09.400 We're all just a bunch of soft pussies, guys. 0.99

00:58:11.380 None of us are actually strong. 0.99

00:58:13.380 There's no lumberjacks here.

00:58:15.580 There's no blue-collar workers here.

00:58:17.240 There's no men here.

00:58:18.280 No hockey players here.

00:58:19.580 We're all just purple hair, thick-brimmed glasses.

00:58:24.160 anthropologists and that's just not the case you know like the cbc is not canada the cbc is just

00:58:30.220 a bias uh propaganda arm in canada that unfortunately gets to kind of have this

00:58:35.160 disproportionate representation of how the country feels well i i just a second i'm just

00:58:41.080 gonna add to that i think greg's on to something kev that you got to consider is 64 percent of

00:58:45.560 canadians want mass deportation while 30 percent are immigrants so that's almost all canadians

00:58:50.260 want it and uh 21 million uh canadians less took the last dose of the vaccine the first dose so i

00:58:58.620 think i don't think this narrative that that we are the minority of the fringe minority or the

00:59:02.880 unacceptable group anymore it never was we never were and to your point you know you know i don't

00:59:09.440 know if i i may have worded it wrong or whatnot but you know i believe that you know half more

00:59:15.240 than half of this country are socialists and half of them are have strong authoritarian views

00:59:21.680 so at least 40 percent of this country and you know keep in mind it wasn't the government that

00:59:26.740 was you know imposing all these rules and regulations it was the people doing it to

00:59:30.980 themselves right you know they they felt empowered by uh subjugating their their fellow their fellow

00:59:36.480 men or or whatnot so yes is that fair to say though that they felt empowered subjugating

00:59:42.400 the other man or did they feel empowered that they were doing what they thought was right

00:59:45.720 you know i come to my i've come to the conclusion that people have no no issue being subjugated as

00:59:51.840 long as they get to subjugate others um so you know people that you know the stock you know the

00:59:57.400 person who stocked the shelves or or the cashier that had virtually no power uh was suddenly being

01:00:03.620 able to and has been you know shit on you know their entire lives or you know at least in their

01:00:08.880 in their job uh now suddenly could be in a position of power uh by you know putting that 0.95

01:00:14.720 out to somebody else you know you know denying a customer uh and making them feel good about it

01:00:22.140 because it was done to them by somebody else so because they were subjugated by others now they

01:00:27.800 want to you know subjugate other people uh and the state you know enabled that and and you know

01:00:33.440 so they were empowered under the quest of of the greater good but you know we all know that how

01:00:40.800 you know authoritarians uh you know work um so you know half you know maybe 30 40 of the country

01:00:49.040 have strong authoritarian views and um you know are you know leftists you know socialists uh you

01:00:56.480 you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

01:00:59.420 you know, fascial communists, because, you know,

01:01:01.660 that's pretty much the system that we live in now, you know, part, you know,

01:01:06.320 corporate run, part, you know, full government run and, you know,

01:01:09.020 somewhere in between, you know, and that, and, and,

01:01:12.360 and that is the primary problem with Canada is this, you know, 0.60

01:01:18.260 fascial communist state that, you know, is a plague to society.

01:01:24.480 Yeah, I would challenge your numbers a bit there, Kev.

01:01:27.320 I'm not going to ask you to prove it or anything like that at this stage

01:01:29.640 because it would be difficult here.

01:01:30.620 It was just off the top of my head.

01:01:32.260 Yeah, but I'm going to challenge him because from my experience of talking to people,

01:01:36.420 most people are level-headed, common sense.

01:01:39.260 They're just very quiet and very scared.

01:01:41.020 They don't speak up.

01:01:41.800 It's a small group who's very loud who makes everybody else kind of wake and wag here.

01:01:46.500 Like we saw this with the soccer team for the U.S.

01:01:49.240 There was only one, maybe two people in that entire soccer team that bullied the rest

01:01:52.800 to make the entire soccer team take a knee for a bunch of things.

01:01:55.900 And I think that's more representative of what we're seeing here.

01:01:58.440 It's not 40%, in my opinion.

01:02:00.700 It's actually a smaller group who's really controlling the Marxist group

01:02:03.980 that's really controlling people through cancellation and other techniques.

01:02:07.680 Greg?

01:02:08.400 I was wondering if we could maybe switch the topic a bit.

01:02:12.120 Kevin, are you a card-carrying, like a narco-capitalist?

01:02:18.960 Well, there's no real card-carrying narco-capitalist.

01:02:21.340 Would you be the first card-carrying one then?

01:02:23.800 Well, you know, anarcho-capitalism is the absence of the state, right?

01:02:28.240 You know, that's the whole premise behind it.

01:02:30.380 There is no state, so you can't really be a card-carrying anarcho-capitalist.

01:02:36.580 It's just a phrase, guys. It's just a phrase.

01:02:40.020 Non-card-carrying then, but would you align with that?

01:02:42.520 But if you want to look at what my political philosophy or ideology would most closely align to,

01:02:48.640 it would be, you know, more libertarianism, you know, and, you know, the Libertarian Party in

01:02:54.900 Canada has ever since, you know, Tim Moan left has been very disappointing. And even the Libertarian

01:03:01.020 Party ever since Ron Paul left has been extremely disappointing. So yeah, that would be closest to

01:03:09.220 my philosophy and point of view, you know, is libertarian ideology.

01:03:14.180 i i was thinking about because i you know i haven't gone in these debates very much with

01:03:21.080 an anarcho-capitalist i'm not really that familiar with with the ins and outs of it but

01:03:25.500 you know libertarian sure and i guess i was thinking of covet and all of these rules that

01:03:34.460 came down upon us not just in the government but also in different businesses and a lot of this

01:03:41.400 came from the will of a corporation or of a industry that represents a group of very powerful

01:03:47.560 corporations, which is called the big pharmaceutical industry. So as an anarcho-capitalist or as

01:03:54.360 somebody who is a libertarian, like doesn't that make you a little bit uncomfortable knowing that

01:03:59.060 the forces of a corporation or a group of corporations can compromise our politicians,

01:04:05.660 compromise our media even impose uh policies at different other corporations for employees

01:04:13.240 across the board well that's fast that's fascism yeah but it comes it comes from a corporate

01:04:19.360 incentive comes from the free market like it comes from sure corrupt people in suits who are

01:04:25.620 massaging those in power but this idea even if the state like let's say there is no federal government

01:04:30.900 would it not almost even be easier for a corporation like big pharma to try to impose

01:04:36.400 regulations to force us to take their product because that happened with the state existing

01:04:41.020 so if the state wasn't there how would we be more protected how would we be even more protected from

01:04:45.640 that well you know first we have to understand what you know capitalism is um and you know and

01:04:53.120 because what you're describing is fascism right it's the merger of state and corporate powers

01:04:57.420 where big business and big government get into bed with each other

01:05:00.740 and then, you know, dictate and mandate at will.

01:05:04.700 So, you know, in true capitalism, there would be no, you know,

01:05:09.260 centralization of, you know, there would be no big state

01:05:12.420 and there would be no individual or no corporation would have a monopoly

01:05:18.800 on the issuing of a nation's currency,

01:05:21.400 which is which is what is was the primary drive behind this right was that is that you know who

01:05:30.080 was funding all of that who was funding the campaigns who is you know funneling money to

01:05:34.900 big pharma where was that money coming from uh and and and the primary source is the central bank

01:05:40.660 that's where that's where everything came from so it's the relationship between you know the

01:05:45.780 central bank and the government and then you know then the government and the pharmaceutical

01:05:50.340 corporations you know so that is that is the main issue and so you know corporatism and you know

01:05:58.520 is and and capitalism are two completely different things right corporatism i see as fascism uh and

01:06:05.900 capitalism would be the absence of you know that relationship without the aid of a of a centralized

01:06:12.640 um you know bank being able to fund everything

01:06:16.160 all right i um i i guess it's just hard to imagine a world that that doesn't have a central bank and

01:06:27.520 and a you know a pharmaceutical industry you know like a lot of what you're saying is kind of like

01:06:33.000 this huge hypothetical that we got to get rid of them or if they weren't there or if i had my way

01:06:38.100 You know, it would be like this. And it's like, well, it's not that way. So I guess I'm the central bank has one one goal, one primary objective, and that is to enslave humanity. That is all they've done through perpetual debt. So that should be the primary objective is to, you know, get rid of the central bank.

01:07:01.580 uh you know is it is it likely going to happen who knows probably not in my lifetime um but you

01:07:08.460 know a more um a better scenario or you know a more uh you know freedom-based would be you know

01:07:14.660 some sort of you know a competing currencies uh you know where you don't have one a monopolization

01:07:20.880 on on the currency for the for a nation you have you know people actually you know companies and

01:07:26.200 and whatnot, or, you know, smaller governments actually competing with individual currencies

01:07:33.340 themselves, just like, you know, an Amazon gift card or, you know, an iTunes card or,

01:07:38.540 you know, you know, stuff like this, right?

01:07:41.080 This would be a much better scenario.

01:07:43.900 I don't think people really grasp how dangerous a central bank is.

01:07:47.500 And, you know, and they just, you know, just kind of shrug it off.

01:07:50.820 um and they they don't really understand that it is the primary cause of pretty much all of our

01:07:58.700 problems um and so yeah that is obviously my goal is to talk more about you know central banking

01:08:06.840 well yeah well it's not the money it's not the root of all evil i think it's the lust for money

01:08:14.980 is the root of all evil and and and that that that is the issue i mean can we can we kind of

01:08:24.520 try and chat a bit about what we can do practical things real things that we can do we were talking

01:08:28.960 about ppc a bit i don't think the monarch is something we can do in 2025 that could be a

01:08:33.760 more long-term goal but what about getting some seats for the ppc and maybe focusing on something

01:08:38.600 like the balance of power because whoever has a minority government would have to work with the

01:08:42.960 balance of power and at 30 seats or 40 seats that's something that's attainable uh greg let's

01:08:48.060 start with you on that one let's let's chat a bit about what can happen in canada practically

01:08:52.100 may may be lofty but still practically uh that we can do to change some things around here

01:08:57.180 yeah people need to um admit how bad things really are and start to scrap and start to fight for some

01:09:06.840 sort of real solution uh i agree with what kevin said earlier which is we need to shift the overton

01:09:13.000 window i think that's the most important thing i think a lot of canadians are still kind of like

01:09:18.060 sleepy and they are under the spell of the trudeau liberal government with you know oh can't be

01:09:24.000 racist that's the worst possible thing um we need to support people and movements that are disruptive

01:09:32.140 that are outside of the Ottawa bubble,

01:09:35.200 like fundamentally that needs to be the thing

01:09:38.240 that people should focus on.

01:09:39.860 The PPC is one of those options.

01:09:42.480 A lot of people like to criticize it.

01:09:44.100 It's not perfect.

01:09:45.180 They don't have a constitution, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:47.580 It is something that the Ottawa bubble does not like.

01:09:51.640 Okay?

01:09:52.340 It causes them pain.

01:09:53.960 It shifts the Overton window.

01:09:55.940 This is a lot of pros, guys.

01:09:57.580 This is a lot of pros.

01:09:59.880 And the cons are like,

01:10:01.540 well, they're not going to win all this stuff.

01:10:03.680 And it's like, I don't really understand like how that, you know,

01:10:06.960 how just sheepishly sitting on the couch and supporting Polyev is going to

01:10:10.560 do anything whatsoever.

01:10:13.880 Finally, Polyev is changing his messaging now, changing his messaging.

01:10:18.480 Now, if you think the PPC didn't exist and no one was complaining about

01:10:22.300 Pierre Polyev, do you think he would have even shifted his message?

01:10:25.080 Maybe he might've, but it's like people like us who are further right,

01:10:28.800 pushing the overton window challenging polyev criticized rightfully criticizing him like this

01:10:34.300 is what actually what did he change on he's abandoning this the this it's the carbon tax

01:10:39.380 election he's abandoning that and he's going to do something that's more aggressive he's going to

01:10:42.740 call it canada first i don't think it's really like a real canada first this guy that's that's

01:10:47.480 that's only because mark carney stepped in and took the window to the sales that's kind of the

01:10:52.040 point though he will change when needed uh deportation is another thing he changed on he

01:10:56.740 said no deportation of students but now he's starting to talk about deportation of illegals

01:11:00.700 only deportation by definition is somebody that needs to leave so there should be no groups who

01:11:05.080 should and shouldn't go they all should go and he's also shifted on the reaction to trump and

01:11:09.900 the the trade he went from dollar to dollar to let's take care of our border and these are just

01:11:14.660 a couple quick examples are kept and i don't think we really have to hash whether or not

01:11:19.500 polyev is a panderer of course he is because he has to be that's the way the system works right

01:11:24.020 now it's unfortunate but it is the truth and i think what greg is saying we need to be a lot

01:11:29.500 more bright of this now one question i have for kevin and greg is do you see the cpc itself

01:11:35.120 slowly splitting here because the more left here goes the more he dresses up the more he shifts

01:11:41.540 his position the more that he's uh dragging down the cpc party itself there's a group inside of

01:11:47.700 the cpc that are right leaning who can't stand this and they're biting their tongues right now

01:11:52.620 So, Kev, a question for you, because you're the one that highlighted that CBC could be standing at a majority or even a minority government for them or for the Liberal Party if Carney wins.

01:12:05.080 Do you see the CBC themselves splitting because they've gone so far left?

01:12:09.600 So that's, you know, that's interesting because I put out a post yesterday and saying if the Conservatives lose another election to the Liberal Party,

01:12:18.380 basically Toronto Maple Leafs style

01:12:21.160 where they're up 3-0

01:12:23.340 in the Stanley Cup

01:12:25.140 finals and managed to blow

01:12:27.060 the game and blow the series

01:12:28.880 that the CPC should just

01:12:31.000 pack up and 0.99

01:12:32.780 shut her down. 1.00

01:12:34.180 It should just be erased from 1.00

01:12:37.000 existence and then

01:12:39.060 something should come in

01:12:40.920 and fill that

01:12:42.940 void. Who knows what that looks like

01:12:44.880 but I firmly

01:12:47.200 believe if uh if the cpc does lose in the next election um then that that should be it for that

01:12:53.740 and you know how do you call yourself you know um conservative and then put you know progressive

01:13:00.220 in front of it a progressive conservative is just like you know uh you know uh it's basically you

01:13:06.860 know a socialist you know wearing a blue tie that's that's what i see it as um so this whole

01:13:13.220 you know idea of progressive conservatism uh it it needs to go because again it's just you know

01:13:20.280 pandering to the left you need you know um you know somebody you know the reform party you know

01:13:26.740 people talk about that a lot uh but you know what what they wanted to do and you know ralph

01:13:33.060 klein out in in alberta uh you know what they were actually you know they were much farther to the

01:13:39.680 right than what Pierre Polyev and the CPC is. And, you know, I can even make the argument that

01:13:44.580 Jean Chrétien is probably similar, similarly aligned. The Liberal Party of the 90s and the

01:13:51.060 2000s is probably similarly aligned to what the CPC is right now. You know, that's how far to the

01:13:56.860 left this whole party has shifted. So if they do lose another election, then they should just,

01:14:03.280 you know, pack up and go and shut it down and let somebody else, you know, take over.

01:14:09.680 great yeah i um i'm i'm just kind of thinking of like solutions right like solutions of what we

01:14:19.260 can do and i was just looking at your twitter you got a pretty good pretty big platform over

01:14:23.780 100 000 followers uh do you like do you do you ever talk about immigration mass immigration do

01:14:30.660 ever like do you support deportations i don't i don't support deportation mass deportation you

01:14:36.580 You don't support enforcing the rule of law in Canada for people who are here illegally? 0.74

01:14:41.180 I think that is, you know, addressing the symptom and not the root cause. 1.00

01:14:47.400 Can we do both? Fix the rules and deport? 0.91

01:14:52.920 Again, you know, if, you know, I think deportation is more of an authoritarian stance.

01:14:59.560 and i reject authoritarianism in in all its in all its forms including you know again you know

01:15:07.040 right-wing authoritarianism using the power the force of the state uh to impose its will uh whether

01:15:12.900 or not that you know the state because the state you know caused that problem to begin with you

01:15:16.920 know i you know i believe that the the major issue is the welfare state uh if you eliminate and again

01:15:24.100 you're going to say how is that going to happen what is that going to look like i have no idea

01:15:27.780 But, you know, if you eliminate the welfare state, you know, if you stop paying people, you know, a per diem, if you start stop paying people, you know, to come out here and provide them with social services like, you know, health care, education, rent, cell phone, you know, food costs.

01:15:45.760 If you eliminate all of that, then, you know, a mass majority of the people with the mass deportations would happen on their own.

01:15:54.080 And for the people that, you know, would stick around and, you know, cause a ruckus or, you know, try to increase, you know, try to, you know, rob you or whatnot.

01:16:02.320 That's where property rights and firearms rights come into play for people to be able to protect their lives and their property and their family with the use of force against any violent aggressor.

01:16:20.040 So if you think that property rights are so important and that it's your right to protect your property and your stuff, why shouldn't a nation have a border?

01:16:29.780 why shouldn't a nation kind of kick people out who are not supposed to be there

01:16:33.580 well it sounds like you don't support that sounds like you don't support the idea of like a nation 0.93

01:16:38.220 at all like or you don't think that it's like a priority to you know get people out of the country

01:16:43.880 who are there illegally do you even like believe in a nation or is that like not even something

01:16:48.440 that you're into and one thing to add on there kevin that dovetails to that too is authoritative

01:16:53.820 is when you don't have the people support 64 percent of people want deportation so the people

01:17:00.540 support this yeah but you're still using the force of the state to impose that right so you

01:17:07.400 would use a force of the state to stop the guy from killing you too like this is what like you

01:17:13.240 said in your opening one of the three things of the government is to protect the citizens

01:17:16.840 so this rule of law and protecting them from people breaking it would be one of those

01:17:20.980 yeah um so you know you guys put a lot of emphasis on you know mass deportations but it's very

01:17:29.120 very you know not very often do we hear about ending the welfare state which is i believe the

01:17:35.160 primary driver uh behind they may be related though kevin this might be what we're trying

01:17:39.260 to highlight to you if we fix the deportation issue we fix canada we balance our system a

01:17:45.160 little bit better we may have a lot less people that require these assistance that you don't want

01:17:48.840 of supply anymore yeah i i don't know if we're going to you know agree on this on this particular

01:18:00.460 point um what about the rule of law point just that point like if you don't like the law it

01:18:05.560 needs to be changed and then less people will be deported if you change the law because of

01:18:09.040 people's will was reflected but what about just a rule of law portion of it it's the law right now

01:18:14.360 why shouldn't we enforce it i i mean you know if that's if that's the if that's the route that

01:18:20.540 society why if that's the wealth that the nation wants to take you know again i can you know not

01:18:25.580 support it or i can support it um you know those are those are my two options uh but you know we

01:18:32.060 also have to keep we also have to entertain the idea of you know it was primarily driven uh by

01:18:38.700 you know the free money that that these people have been given and if we don't end that if we

01:18:45.180 don't end that you know the the free handouts uh then then it's you're you're basically putting a

01:18:50.460 band-aid on on on a on a cancerous wound right uh it's it's it's not gonna it's not gonna treat

01:18:57.540 it's not gonna fix the problem it might fix it in the short term but in in in the longer term

01:19:02.380 the the the conditions are still there for for that to happen again so you have to address you

01:19:07.980 have to address the welfare state um well i don't think greg is saying keep open borders but let's

01:19:14.180 deport people i think he's saying there's a lot of issues but one of them is deport correct me

01:19:18.360 if i'm wrong on that greg yeah i mean it's so it's very interesting that you want to push the

01:19:24.900 overton window and you want to kind of invigorate canadians to change their country but it sounds

01:19:30.680 like you don't really believe in the nation kind of even having its own independence and sovereignty

01:19:37.220 Or like you don't really think that the Canadian people should be able to even protect themselves from outsiders who shouldn't be there?

01:19:43.440 So if we don't have a sort of cohesive sense of unity, then how do we even impose things that we want for ourselves if we can't even differentiate of like who we are versus who they are, i.e. people who should not be here?

01:19:58.320 Yeah, so, you know, basically you're asking the difference between nationalist ideology and an anarchist ideology.

01:20:05.780 That is the root of that question.

01:20:08.100 You're looking at it from a nationalist point of view,

01:20:11.140 and I look at it from an anarchist point of view,

01:20:13.140 where imaginary lines on a map shouldn't exist,

01:20:19.320 if you want my view.

01:20:24.480 So why should you have your own property, then?

01:20:27.600 It's just an imaginary line.

01:20:29.460 What, that plot of your land?

01:20:31.300 That's an imaginary line, bro.

01:20:32.980 Why do you get a right to it?

01:20:34.220 it's our community it's all the whole community you should have Somalian refugees to come live

01:20:37.820 with you who's to say it's yours that's an imaginary line yeah and you know they can come 1.00

01:20:42.400 in and try to take it but and I also have the right to defend myself from them trying to take

01:20:47.940 it okay so and if you and if you shot somebody and then you had the law come down on you for that

01:20:55.600 and there would be like whatever a trial so you believe in the rule of law then so you what you

01:21:01.100 what you're trying to paint a picture of is mass chaos and a demoralized

01:21:04.540 society.

01:21:05.500 You know,

01:21:05.900 I'm trying to figure out if you believe in a nation and if you believe in

01:21:09.080 the rule of law,

01:21:09.840 it's like really basic stuff.

01:21:11.480 It's very unclear whether like you kind of sometimes believe in the law.

01:21:14.560 Other times it's an imaginary line.

01:21:16.140 It's like,

01:21:16.500 it's changes.

01:21:18.100 Yeah.

01:21:18.660 No.

01:21:20.240 If you want to look at,

01:21:21.440 you know,

01:21:21.580 my point of view,

01:21:22.520 you know,

01:21:23.460 read Maury Rothbart,

01:21:25.400 you know,

01:21:26.260 very detailed of what anarcho capitalism is.

01:21:30.580 Personally, the idea of the state, the state itself is the problem.

01:21:36.500 It is the cancer.

01:21:39.060 But is the state not some of the people who help enforce you have your land plot to help you satisfy that the system is in place, that yes, this is your plot of land.

01:21:49.740 You go to the municipality.

01:21:50.580 That is your land.

01:21:51.880 Here's the piece of paper.

01:21:53.760 You own it.

01:21:56.300 That's not a private corporation who does that.

01:21:58.300 That's that's a form of government that does that to to ensure that you own that land and that is your property.

01:22:04.820 Yeah. Do you think Walmart should do that?

01:22:07.760 Do you think you think Amazon or Jeff Bezos should do that?

01:22:10.760 Those are all corporations, right?

01:22:13.160 Like, you know, it's hard to, you know.

01:22:17.700 Picture, you know, a scenario when we don't have capitalism and we never had capitalism.

01:22:23.420 but the closer we can get to you know that capitalist point of view the the much more

01:22:30.120 free and prosperous a nation a nation would be whether you know you agree with that nation

01:22:35.680 existing or or not you're more of a nationalist point of view and more of an anarchist point of

01:22:39.980 view so we have differences of opinions there but you know the goal is you know embracing capitalism

01:22:48.900 The more you embrace capitalism, the more prosperity you will bring.

01:22:54.480 And we've embraced socialism.

01:22:59.200 So you're not going to get a very clear answer from my point of view.

01:23:07.920 That's clear.

01:23:10.360 Because I'm trying to figure out, Kevin, what would this look like?

01:23:13.640 Would it be a whole bunch of little plots where you have your own little castle again?

01:23:18.040 In reality, it's a system that can never really exist, right?

01:23:22.020 Because as Greg pointed out.

01:23:24.000 So wait, so then why even pontificate about it?

01:23:28.160 Why even advocate for it if you yourself are admitting that it wouldn't even exist in reality?

01:23:33.400 What? I don't get it.

01:23:35.020 Number one, because pure capitalism, it would be impossible to achieve,

01:23:40.220 just like pure communism would be impossible to achieve.

01:23:42.880 But the closer we can get to that, the better it is going to be.

01:23:48.040 And like you said, you know, human nature, people will stick to their tribes, their groups.

01:23:53.120 And, you know, as one power source is eliminated, a vacuum is created and another power source, you know, rises up.

01:23:59.960 You know, we see that in, you know, in governments all the way down to, you know, drug cartels.

01:24:06.340 Right. And, you know, you know, you know, street street criminals.

01:24:11.400 You know, that hierarchy is there, is prevalent throughout throughout society.

01:24:16.140 uh but that i guess you know that is that is my point of view as in i don't want to advocate for

01:24:27.440 force from the use of state from the use of force from the state onto others um i want to i want to

01:24:35.840 take as much but yeah you do if somebody again if somebody trespasses onto your property

01:24:41.300 you do want the state to do something about that you want the police to do something about that do

01:24:47.760 you not well no no i would be much happier to defend myself and not have to rely on you know

01:24:55.460 9-1-1 that i call that would take you know two days to get to my house why would i want why would

01:25:01.940 i want okay so if so if a gang arrives with firepower yeah you don't want you don't want

01:25:07.400 then it's just up to you to defend yourself absolutely 100 this won't last very long

01:25:13.800 because if you remember chas that little experiment but what you but what you're thinking

01:25:18.020 about is in a society uh with demoralized people right well with gangs actually and there is gangs

01:25:25.660 that do operate organized unfortunately yeah organized kevin because they're going to be

01:25:30.340 organized to come take your stuff have you seen the organized car thefts that are happening across

01:25:34.480 the gta or at least maybe not organized but like how systemic they are how frequently they're

01:25:38.320 happening and speaking of no borders and no rule of law there's a group that does that right now

01:25:43.480 they're organized crime international they don't care about borders or rule of law and you know

01:25:47.820 toronto doesn't agree with you they're anarchists right it's kind of interesting how uh very

01:25:53.020 anti-governmental the organized criminal mobs would actually agree with your idea of there

01:25:58.020 being no borders very but there's multiple levels of anarchy right there's anarcho-communism all

01:26:04.260 the way to anarcho-capitalism so now i all you know there's you know a lot of people they when

01:26:10.420 they hear anarchy they originally they they go to oh it's you know a communist you know ideology

01:26:16.180 uh but you know you know there's there's they're two completely you know um different sides of the

01:26:23.060 of the of the let's change the frame a bit here do you think there's anything that the federal

01:26:28.520 government does or any level of government does that that is good no no nothing you don't think

01:26:37.360 like maintaining actually is a good thing no they they don't do a very good job of that and you know

01:26:43.420 uh free markets could probably do it much better um yeah the one thing that they are good at is

01:26:50.420 limiting people's rights uh uh you know taxing people stealing from them uh and you know putting

01:26:57.200 and corruption uh you know misery and death you know those are basically what the government is

01:27:02.700 good at nothing nothing really else no they're not good at what if it was a properly functioning

01:27:09.380 uh government that was actually working properly like for example if getting into the states

01:27:15.260 over the border um you know it's much tougher to get into the states they say the border patrol

01:27:21.320 there uh so you think that's useless to america you don't think they should have that

01:27:25.540 like border enforcement again you know it's a simple it's super simple concept like do you

01:27:35.320 think there should be you know a government entity that controls the border of who comes

01:27:41.940 in and out of the country i think that the militarization of a border is wrong

01:27:46.780 okay but you live in society right now with organized crime international terrorists and

01:27:52.740 some baddies and that's with government fighting though so what would it look like if we didn't

01:27:57.680 have that governments are far worse and have killed far more people than any i don't disagree

01:28:03.740 with that organized you know criminal actually the government took the model of the mafia

01:28:10.080 and uh and implemented it that's their whole that's their whole philosophy is you know they're

01:28:16.840 basically organized you know criminals where you have the the cra or you know the irs in the united

01:28:22.160 States and the RCMP or the FBI, where you have the financial arm and the enforcement

01:28:27.400 arm to, you know, to, to gain funds and to, you know, to, to force their, their, their,

01:28:35.420 their agenda.

01:28:37.780 So the government is a, is a mafia. 0.95

01:28:40.220 The government are basically organized criminals. 0.77

01:28:43.820 And, you know, they steal far more money than the mafia ever would.

01:28:47.920 You know, the average Canadian pays, what, half, if not more of their income to

01:28:52.080 taxes the mafia would probably only charge you 25 you'd probably get a better deal with the mafia

01:28:56.620 well wouldn't you in in your world work with your neighbors in your community and develop some

01:29:03.100 security on a local regional level would it be something that you would develop and that would

01:29:08.120 make you the mafia of that land no well that that that's local that's basically what it is where

01:29:13.700 it's not you know you basically it's a pay for service right so you have you know private private

01:29:19.180 security or you have you know you want to drive on a road you have to pay a toll right and you know

01:29:24.480 that that role is owned by something um but this is what governments do by taxing people right

01:29:32.220 the government taxes people to maintain services so you're just explaining the government again

01:29:37.480 except it's like with different steps but but they don't really if you take a look at you know

01:29:42.800 the spending um you know a lot of our infrastructure no but i i get that but how do we know that

01:29:49.000 your system once it gets bigger and more expansive wouldn't also become corrupt well let me ask you

01:29:54.280 would you have the same it's basically the same system like you're you're describing you're

01:29:59.580 describing you know you're describing a larger authoritative entity to charge people to use

01:30:05.540 certain services it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a larger authoritarian entity it would be you know

01:30:11.520 but it would have the authority over the roads right it would be their property it would be

01:30:16.180 their property right and you can choose to drive on drive it or not like the 407 highway right

01:30:21.420 it's their property you choose to pay for it you pay for that you think all roads should be toll

01:30:26.840 roads 100 absolutely do you have a common currency at least or are you gonna be translating currencies

01:30:33.500 from every region well again where you can go down to you know if you take this idea of eliminating

01:30:40.180 the federal government down to you know maybe the provincial side you know each province has

01:30:44.980 its own resources right you know you have forestry in bc you have oil in alberta you have gold in

01:30:50.520 ontario lithium um you can create a currency that is based on you know the resources of of that

01:30:58.720 nation um you know a resource-based currency um something that can't be created out of out of thin

01:31:07.220 air uh which is the the driving problem uh uh in society today that ability to create currency out

01:31:15.020 of thin air has you know driven uh the enslavement of humanity so yet you have to stop that process

01:31:21.460 if you really want uh you know so we can talk about you know we want to do you know all of this

01:31:27.600 But, you know, the primary threat to our livelihoods is that central banking, you know, system.

01:31:38.980 That's why I focus so much on it.

01:31:43.380 And you can agree with me.

01:31:45.020 I can see your facial reactions.

01:31:48.080 And I know that you don't agree with, like, probably 50% or more.

01:31:52.140 No, no, I think there's agreement.

01:31:54.080 Like, a lot of things you're saying make sense, but they're not practical.

01:31:56.540 like you can't reach them like how do we get there and we're certainly not going to go back

01:32:00.520 to the 1500s when it comes to trade which is what you're describing now if we're forced into that

01:32:06.920 you know bankruptcy etc well then hopefully we can handle it i think we can but what greg is

01:32:11.680 trying to get and what i'm trying to get it is what would it look like then because everything

01:32:14.780 you're describing eventually turns into government everything like you're even talking about

01:32:18.680 provincial resources now there would be government involvement at the end of the day every system

01:32:24.160 is corrupt will be corruptible because you know humanity itself is corrupt that's correct so

01:32:31.280 so no matter how good of a system or how perfect of a system it will be corrupted um you know

01:32:38.680 eventually um so i guess what so what's more hold on what's more realistic is it more realistic

01:32:46.640 for actual nationalists

01:32:50.260 to try to take over the existing systems

01:32:52.840 or actually good-hearted Canadians

01:32:55.020 who can get and grab the levers of power

01:32:58.580 and steer the existing systems

01:33:02.440 in the right direction,

01:33:03.780 properly enforce the border,

01:33:05.500 refund the military?

01:33:06.640 Do you think it's more realistic

01:33:07.500 to take over our existing institutions

01:33:09.320 by the correct people

01:33:11.680 or the bank going bankrupt

01:33:16.260 everything being dissolving and then trying to start it from scratch like like which is do you

01:33:20.500 think is more realistic well which would be more preferable would be to you know scrap the system

01:33:26.120 because can you answer my question like can you act you know what i mean like i'm framing my

01:33:30.420 questions in a very specific way for a reason the problem with that is you know we're still

01:33:38.060 going to have you know a massive amount of federal debt we're still going to have a massive amount

01:33:42.320 a provincial debt. And, you know, we haven't really solved that problem.

01:33:45.760 I'm asking what's realistic though, man. I'm not here to have all these big hypothetical

01:33:50.560 conversations of what could be this. Like we're not making fantasy novels right now.

01:33:56.240 We're talking about what is realistic and in terms of how to improve the country and how

01:34:01.920 we should think about improving the country. We have platforms. We want to give people ideas that

01:34:06.640 that they can actually grab hold of and use.

01:34:09.800 I'm not here to have a high-headed philosophical debate.

01:34:13.180 What if human nature was different?

01:34:14.780 What if all this was different?

01:34:16.200 Let's not focus on the fantasy in the reality.

01:34:20.580 What is more realistic?

01:34:21.780 Is it more realistic to try to take over

01:34:23.880 our existing institutions and actually get them

01:34:25.640 to work for us, or dissolving the existing institutions

01:34:29.600 and trying to make something new?

01:34:32.280 Well, you already know how I'm gonna answer that.

01:34:35.440 he's asking for I actually don't dude I actually don't because earlier you were saying that I

01:34:41.180 don't believe in borders also I should have my own private property and so it's you're kind of

01:34:47.300 all over the map here I'm genuinely asking that I don't know what your answer is going to be

01:34:50.740 yeah um I would much prefer tearing down the system uh than trying to save it that would be

01:35:00.540 my answer okay wow um right so i really don't think that's realistic i asked you at the beginning

01:35:09.400 what does that look like and you gave me a series of answers about the the central bank of canada

01:35:16.100 is corrupt and that needs to go bankrupt and then people will starve and then there'll be some

01:35:20.020 transfer of power which might not even be better and then you said we need to educate people about

01:35:24.880 the central bank and then you said we need to uh educate people about localism and encourage them

01:35:30.160 to like join their community or, or what have you and remoralize people. And I agree with some of

01:35:34.000 those things, but, uh, nothing, none of that really has to do with like an actual, like visual,

01:35:39.660 realistic steps of how to dissolve the existing institutions and rebuild new ones.

01:35:47.700 Yeah. So basically, you know, everything that I, that I've told you are, or, you know, my, my,

01:35:54.600 are my viewpoints are, and what I believe in. Um, and you know, you have your different viewpoints,

01:35:59.620 You have things that you believe in that are obviously different than mine.

01:36:04.600 And, you know, your plan of action is a lot different than, you know, my plan of action.

01:36:10.180 And basically, I don't know if we're going to agree on this point or not, but I don't think that there's any value in trying to save the system that we have just because of how really bad it is.

01:36:26.840 um and you know like you said you know it's like your house but what if you know could the cost of

01:36:34.480 you know rebuilding that house uh is you know two or three times more uh than just building a new

01:36:40.920 house well because that's how that's how bad it is that's how bad the house is i think there's a

01:36:47.500 misunderstanding here i don't think greg is saying save the system he's saying reclaim it and repair

01:36:51.800 which is different save it implies we're not going to change much but what greg is saying is

01:36:56.900 reclaim it and repair it like basically change the whole thing without burning it down first

01:37:01.360 isn't there a way to do that uh greg am i wrong on that no you're not wrong on that and at this

01:37:07.280 point it's about like no offense kevin but i i feel like you represent the sort of sovereign

01:37:14.300 citizen uh rabbit hole that people go down where it's like well i just reject all of the systems

01:37:19.920 And I just rejected like everything that's going on and people just need to realize that it's all corrupt and then do nothing, I guess.

01:37:27.560 And then educate people about the central bank and like, hey, you got to know about the central bank. 0.99

01:37:32.980 And it's like if you look at realistically, in reality, what is destroying this country or affecting it most negatively, it's mass immigration. 0.87

01:37:42.460 It's the radical demographic change. 0.90

01:37:44.420 It's the fact that we don't even have a willingness to enforce deportations.

01:37:48.140 but what's driving but what's driving there's a compounding effect when more and more people come

01:37:54.400 in it puts a strain on everything job market housing market crime everything but where is

01:38:00.320 the money coming from to fund all of that that's the problem well but kevin i think why there's a

01:38:07.380 little frustration here now is you're probably right that the central banks of all these countries

01:38:11.580 is where the the levers are really stored but hold on hold on hold on hold on sorry sorry to

01:38:16.260 cut you off but even if we cut off the money that's going to all these social programs and

01:38:21.560 we still have people flowing in here will be not still have people flowing in here because you

01:38:25.520 don't believe in borders why would i would come here but why would they come here if there's no

01:38:30.840 handouts maybe they're getting deported from america okay then then if they come here and 0.78

01:38:36.720 they have no handouts uh and they don't deport themselves then they can starve to death that's

01:38:41.280 their own yeah or or or they would get desperate and there would be more crime and violence and

01:38:46.460 because it'd be a fight for resources and that's where you would have your right to defend yourself

01:38:50.500 with the use of force okay well we're kind of making some headway here like why don't we

01:38:55.520 deport everybody and change our immigration law so that people who are having handouts and only

01:39:01.020 handouts are deportable and go go with something that you're talking about here kevin because you

01:39:05.300 It's the give-me-grints, right? 0.97

01:39:08.280 The people that come here to... 1.00

01:39:11.060 But do you want those give-me-people to leave? 1.00

01:39:13.340 Do you want them to leave? 1.00

01:39:14.940 Well, they need to go.

01:39:17.560 I thought you were going to support deportations.

01:39:19.080 So now we're on deport.

01:39:20.040 Yeah, now we're back to deport.

01:39:21.180 My point of view is they need to come to the understanding

01:39:26.200 that they will deport themselves by cutting off that funding.

01:39:31.180 okay well you're giving people a lot of good credit there but what about the ones that don't

01:39:36.880 can they be deported by the government then you know what do you mean the ones that don't

01:39:42.140 try to stick around and cause crime well the ones that decide not to take you up on your offer and

01:39:47.320 self-deport and decide to stick around okay so how are they going to um you know maintain their

01:39:52.860 their uh their standard of living let's say they choose crime because that is accessible to them

01:39:59.020 because rule of law doesn't happen in Canada.

01:40:00.760 Let's say they choose crime.

01:40:02.320 Okay, then you try to use force against me,

01:40:05.420 then I have the right to use force against you.

01:40:07.760 And people are a lot less ballsy

01:40:11.020 when the consequences of their actions

01:40:13.000 result in being shot in the face.

01:40:15.400 Okay, well, I think this is where your argument falls apart. 0.98

01:40:17.620 I don't think Canadians want a society like that

01:40:21.940 where you have to quite literally

01:40:23.500 fend for yourself and your life all the time.

01:40:25.580 That doesn't sound like a society.

01:40:26.940 That sounds like going backwards in time.

01:40:29.020 Yeah. But if you take a look at, you know, I'm not too sure if you if you've lived in the United States or not, but, you know, I've lived in, you know, in Florida and, you know, an armed society is is a polite society.

01:40:40.500 And, you know, people have a government.

01:40:43.720 Yeah, people are, you know, you know, and in the Carolinas and, you know, people are not going to come in and cause an issue.

01:40:52.260 They don't know if you're, you know, concealed carrying.

01:40:55.200 They don't know if you're going to pull out a weapon and shoot them.

01:41:00.040 So, you know, we don't have that in Canada, right?

01:41:03.300 We don't, you know, people have, don't have the fear of the repercussion of the people.

01:41:08.160 You know, that I believe is a primary issue that even the PPC doesn't touch base on.

01:41:14.260 you know the ppc is nowhere near as far to the to to the right as it should be on self-defense

01:41:20.260 on castle law on standard ground laws you know pepper spray what like what what is that you know

01:41:25.300 i don't want pepper spray i want i want you know a colt 45 you know i want a clock i want a sig

01:41:32.140 to protect myself i don't want pepper spray i'm confused though kevin you're talking about all

01:41:37.780 of these laws that you would like to have in canada but you say it's like authoritarian

01:41:41.800 for like a government to enforce these laws don't you so like how i don't understand that

01:41:49.780 and the other thing i want to ask is like let's say you have your property and you're going on

01:41:53.840 vacation or something and you hire security to protect your property right you hire security

01:42:02.140 to protect your property is that a fair thing to do but to use your money to use your money for

01:42:08.320 the point i'm getting at is we pay taxes to the government to enforce the law and in some cases

01:42:16.860 it is the security of the country so you would you would allow paying security to protect your

01:42:24.860 property but you don't think it's fair to pay taxes for the government to deport people to

01:42:29.660 protect their property so you know when i was in the when i was in the u.s um there were you know

01:42:35.920 several communities that i went through uh gated communities that had their own security you know

01:42:42.160 so you know you would live in these gated communities you would pay a security fee

01:42:46.500 and you would have armed guards uh to protect that that that property um because the effectiveness

01:42:53.340 of the state was was very low and you know very similar to where i am now right so you agree with

01:42:59.720 the model but you just don't think the governments are capable of of doing that and that so we

01:43:04.800 shouldn't even try to do it well they've shown uh through they've shown that they're not very

01:43:09.800 capable but you're showing but you're showing at this micro model that it works once again why

01:43:15.340 can't we just try to uh and that's the whole the institutions that we have and that's the whole

01:43:21.960 premise of trying to get away from this you know big you know centralized power the centralized

01:43:27.980 yeah but dude you're you are you are like you are getting excited about the power that this

01:43:33.760 local community has over their land and you're like that's awesome but then when you apply it

01:43:39.720 to a like a large government or a large group of land of the country you're like oh no that's bad

01:43:44.260 that's authoritarian what so you know my my my local community isn't you know i'm not going to

01:43:52.060 go and you know you know try to like take over annex my my neighbor and if i do try to annex

01:43:57.980 my neighbor i'm going to have to deal with the consequences of their their actions right um

01:44:03.320 again i guess the whole uh purpose or the whole um you know thought behind it is big centralized

01:44:09.280 authorities are bad and the more local you can get the the more you can shrink that down to a

01:44:15.760 community level uh to a local level uh the more effective uh and that is going to be of whether

01:44:24.740 you agree to pay taxes for a you know a governing body to do it or there are no taxes and you pay

01:44:30.840 uh you know some sort of private security to to do it for you um the question is who would be

01:44:37.860 most effective uh you know at delivering such services and you know governments really aren't

01:44:46.740 effective at delivering services uh you know that's that's that's quite clear well any business

01:44:54.160 could also be ineffective at delivering services and the larger the larger the larger it becomes

01:44:59.540 the more ineffective all businesses all businesses can run into this problem even small ones but a

01:45:04.700 question for you now kev do you have wife children i want to i do not okay and the reason why i ask 0.96

01:45:12.100 that question is because in your world yeah you can go ahead and shoot the guy who's coming after 0.53

01:45:16.520 you but if they take you out and your wife and children are not able to defend themselves the

01:45:21.040 way you are because you're gone now uh who would you want to be there now you don't have any but

01:45:25.720 when i'm thinking about your world and if someone takes me out well i would want my my community i

01:45:31.180 would want another another group to take care of my family but i guess the question is why would

01:45:36.500 somebody want to come in and take what you have i don't have to rationalize the criminal in the

01:45:42.320 future that's trying to take from me i can just tell you that they're coming okay um and if they

01:45:46.840 do come and they take me out what about the rest of my family like you don't have a family so you're

01:45:50.980 not so worried about that but uh so a lot of us who do have that nuclear family that would be

01:45:56.120 concerned i wouldn't be able to protect them if i'm gone and that's just one example of why

01:46:02.120 communities exist and that's why neighbors take care of neighbors because widows and children

01:46:06.060 can't step up and take care of it the way you're describing

01:46:09.680 greg you don't have children yet but do you or i'm not sure if you do or not but

01:46:14.580 would you concur with that like if you have children you kind of look at this a little

01:46:18.640 bit differently because there's a there's another generation you have to protect that's

01:46:21.720 outlive you. I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. We belong to a family. After a family, 0.86

01:46:29.160 we belong to a community. After a community, we belong to perhaps a nation. And that has been

01:46:35.300 started to been dissolved by, for lack of a better term, or to simplify, globalism. And they want to

01:46:43.360 dissolve the borders. They want to, you know, erase this sort of connection that we have to

01:46:48.900 our actual family that's why they go after men and women and masculinity and femininity and that's

01:46:53.900 why they're going after religion specifically christianity especially in canada and there's

01:46:58.680 an atomization of people you're just a hard worker that's exactly what pierre polyette is saying

01:47:03.740 which is supposed to be so different from uh dustin trudeau saying a canadian is a canadian

01:47:08.560 is a canadian you know it's they're pushing the same atomization of canadians and it's antithetical

01:47:14.780 to community it's antithetical to even a family in some cases and it's certainly antithetical to 0.51

01:47:20.120 a nation and that's why it's very concerning kevin when you're like i i don't think there should be

01:47:25.640 borders and it's like okay so you don't think that we should belong to any nation um that's

01:47:32.320 i i think that we are just so because of the reign of trudeau and even years and years of

01:47:37.740 propaganda before that decades of propaganda before that that's pretty well globalist and

01:47:42.320 post-nationalness in nature i think we've lost track of this idea that a nation can be a large

01:47:47.800 cohesive family that's on the same page about things it may not seem that way largely for

01:47:54.180 demographic change multiculturalism and mass immigration that's been a huge part of it but

01:48:00.700 we are so far removed from that that we just kind of see the government as a forever evil forever

01:48:07.500 bad when in reality again you can talk about this anarchist system that's going to work

01:48:13.300 it's the same theory that the governments are just because the government has been corrupted

01:48:20.480 and there's bad personnel in various places doesn't mean that we can't you re-usurp the power

01:48:26.560 and glorify you know re-establish um you know canadian excellence in our institutions uh and

01:48:34.960 sorry again like i know we have to wrap it up soon you you don't really have a solution i asked

01:48:42.040 you point blank would you rather reclaim the institutions we have and actually get them

01:48:45.720 serving the people or start over somehow and you said start over somehow and it's super unclear

01:48:52.040 what that would look like and again this is why i kind of want to encourage people

01:48:57.640 respectfully kevin but it's like i don't really understand the value you're providing people

01:49:02.820 you're saying hey government bad government bad government bad okay then what and then you're not

01:49:09.560 really giving a solution other than like yeah let's just throw it all out and you know maybe

01:49:13.960 if you're into homesteading i could agree with that i think that's a worthwhile hobby if you

01:49:17.720 want to advocate for that i wouldn't disagree with that but uh yeah i don't really understand

01:49:22.900 the solution that you're providing people with with kind of like what you're focusing on

01:49:26.100 sorry one last thing one last thing with with the sort of we need to dismantle the central bank

01:49:31.880 i really don't think that's going to be something like i said politics is about getting a lot of

01:49:36.660 people on board and moving in the same direction i don't think dismantling the central bank is going

01:49:41.240 to be like the thing that people can get on board with when you already have 64 64 percent of the

01:49:47.240 country supporting deportations which as i said earlier connects to so many different problems

01:49:52.360 happening in canada right now i feel like that's a much easier thing that you could be using your

01:49:57.500 platform to advocate for but then again you don't you don't even agree with nations and borders so

01:50:02.660 like i don't even know where to begin with that yeah so um you know your your mention of you know

01:50:08.820 globalism uh and erasing borders that's more on the you know anarcho-communist side you know

01:50:14.480 erasing borders flooding nations um with with uh you know mass immigration and you know providing

01:50:21.260 funding that's open borders and a welfare state you know i'm i'm diabolically opposed uh to those

01:50:26.920 two things you can't have open borders and and a welfare state uh it's the quickest you know

01:50:31.780 you said that you don't want a state to enforce a border earlier you said that you don't even want

01:50:36.100 a state to even enforce the border or to keep people out because you because that's a too

01:50:41.120 authoritarian for you or something yeah well my my whole um you know point of view is you know

01:50:47.120 people would only come um that would you know actually come to provide economic value because

01:50:53.660 there would be no handouts there would be uh there would be would be none of that who's going

01:50:59.600 to determine that other than the federal government of who's going to come and not come

01:51:03.620 this is why you need a federal government to do this the individual yeah quick question are all

01:51:10.420 nations anarchist at this time or just canada because i think that's going to change this uh

01:51:15.740 dynamic yeah yeah well right now it will you know going to our complete anarchist global

01:51:23.600 economy again it's it's never going to happen and you know i think the thing here is i'm more

01:51:29.940 arguing from you know an ideological point of view uh and you know greg is more arguing from

01:51:35.080 you know a practical point of view um and those those are the the the two issues here uh but you

01:51:43.700 know the i guess at the end of the day it's you know statism versus anarchism um you know and

01:51:52.500 And, you know, this idea of the state and this worshipping of the state, whatever party it is, you know, I think that is, you know, people need to stop worshipping, you know, the state.

01:52:07.780 And that's a value you do add.

01:52:11.020 Like Greg was saying, he wasn't sure what value you add.

01:52:13.180 And I'm just going to put it out there, Greg, that the value Kevin adds is exposing this and being the critic and being the one that brings some attention to it.

01:52:21.780 like when he exposes carney a year and a half ago and starts giving us concerns and say hey look

01:52:26.520 we're in a cycle and these guys have selected this and we're to be in a rough shape and it's

01:52:30.240 going to get tough we need that we need that and we don't necessarily need somebody to bring

01:52:34.020 solutions with it although that would be a great package you highlight the problem and the solution

01:52:39.040 and you're not one of those guys that create the problem and they're bringing the solution

01:52:42.140 marxist but you highlight the problem bringing the solution that would be a great package but

01:52:46.000 not everybody's wired that way so maybe there is some value to kevin highlighting these problems

01:52:50.440 but maybe not having a solution it's just it's just the way that you know my my brain works and

01:52:56.000 you know i i'm good at you know pointing out the problems uh identifying the trend i think i came

01:53:03.340 on to your show um you know it was over two years ago you know we start talking about mark carney

01:53:08.460 and i have text messages going back to like 2019 saying that this guy is going to be the next prime

01:53:13.460 minister um you know and everybody was you know you know downplaying me saying it would never

01:53:18.040 happened and oh he's the next ignatiev and yada yada yada and you know fast forward to today and

01:53:24.020 he's he's going to be prime minister in like what two three weeks you know march 8th whatever it is

01:53:30.280 um so you know and so yeah um i'm i'm good at identifying you know trends and patterns and

01:53:40.620 you know even back in 2019 i was talking about um you know some sort of economic event that was going

01:53:47.320 to uh you know push forward you know this authoritarian grab um and there's going to be

01:53:53.740 a massive transfer of wealth from the people to the upper echelon of society i didn't know that

01:53:58.840 it was going to be like six months later from now and you know i didn't know that it was going to be

01:54:03.220 a health emergency but you know i just i just you know saw aside on you know the charts that i

01:54:08.720 watched and you know some of the indicators that i pay attention to uh and it happened to play out

01:54:14.980 so you know i i'm good at you know maybe identifying problems uh but you know when it

01:54:21.700 comes to you know maybe finding solutions that uh that's somebody else's job yeah so greg in

01:54:28.020 software companies i've done a few myself you need all types of people you need the graphic designers

01:54:33.140 they usually can't code at all so you also need the engineers and then you also need the testers

01:54:37.780 and ideally the testers are not engineers or designers because you don't want them thinking

01:54:41.540 that way you want them thinking outside of the box and really test things that they never thought

01:54:45.800 of and that's how you find the bugs and you break the system and then improve it and make it better

01:54:49.640 so we kind of need all three types designers engineers and testers kev's clearly a tester

01:54:55.080 i don't think he's an engineer or a designer interesting perspective i want to go back to

01:55:00.040 the statism versus anarchy thing because i think you bring up a good point and i think that there

01:55:06.880 is the worshiping of the state is i don't think that's really happening much much not now right

01:55:13.140 wing yeah no not not anymore not even on the left like very few are worshiping yeah yeah and i think

01:55:21.500 the problem is though is that we're throwing the baby out with the bath water we're doing this 0.97

01:55:25.900 thing where we're saying no no we don't need the state at all the whole government sucks these 0.71

01:55:30.620 institutions have never been good i mean people don't say it that way but that's kind of the

01:55:34.560 implication they've never been good they've never been useful let's just throw them all out and i

01:55:40.020 think that's totally misguided and it actually is sort of a weird sort of it's an anti-elitism

01:55:47.720 that's actually not good for us i was saying earlier the solution is that we need basically

01:55:53.040 our own elites we need elites who actually think like us who are going to try to take our

01:55:56.640 institutions and major corporations or people who are in major corporations who have power who have

01:56:02.580 influence who think like us we need them to be in power positions and i think that when we reject

01:56:08.860 statism so much we're sort of it conjures this image of uh what was that guy oliver anthony

01:56:16.260 he was like um we're working all day he's hell of my soul and he's got another song like ain't

01:56:22.160 got a dollar and it's like yeah like that's the working class man and and sure those people are

01:56:26.440 get being totally shafted right now but people like oliver anthony and this this idea of like

01:56:32.880 a local community saving the nation that's not realistic we already have skyscrapers we already

01:56:38.940 have these sophisticated systems of power and control in the government we're we don't need

01:56:44.300 oliver anthony to show up with this banjo to save the day no we need people in suits we need

01:56:49.260 professional organizations who are very intelligent who have been to university who can

01:56:53.380 get into these systems and steer them in the right direction it's going to take a long time

01:56:59.580 but this idea that the state just sucks this the state has been infiltrated by traitors or

01:57:06.660 corrupt people that doesn't mean again back to my example of the house just because it's got a

01:57:11.180 leaky roof and the plumbing doesn't work doesn't mean we should give up houses or even give up on 0.98

01:57:15.180 the house itself it means we need a plumber it needs to be we need to get a roofer best damn

01:57:20.100 roofer by the way shouts out to mr bigger but uh yeah you know we it's going to take time to repair

01:57:25.700 this yeah but what if the house is on fire it's literally burning to the ground it's not a leaking

01:57:32.000 house anymore it's a different problem you address it differently we only have another minute here

01:57:36.180 you know just just just a quick yeah just yeah just a quick you know thing you know you one of

01:57:42.120 the major things you know you talked about you know building this network of um you know

01:57:46.300 entrepreneurs and whatnot uh and i talked a lot about education right you know i that is where i

01:57:52.180 feel is the um an important aspect um you know so i think that we have to um target you know public

01:58:00.000 education you know the primary objective of public education is to ideologically subvert

01:58:05.660 the youth um so i think that we need to get government out of the classroom um and i think

01:58:12.740 we can all at least agree on that and you know if we can start stop you know the government from

01:58:19.620 you know inflicting its playbook on the youth uh and start remoralizing them with you know

01:58:25.900 traditional values uh you know right winning right leaning views um and more of a you know

01:58:32.220 to remoralize them uh then you can start talking about maybe you know 10 15 or 20 years from now

01:58:37.940 um where that can that that would really you know start to gain traction but you know i think that

01:58:43.800 again uh you know you want to go after the entrepreneurs uh you know i want to focus on

01:58:50.000 the education aspect and stop the ideological subversion of the youth sorry real quick though

01:58:56.740 kevin but how would you do that how do you just influence the educational system the answer is

01:59:02.680 create an organization the answer is have some sort of professional organization website whatever

01:59:07.600 the group is maybe it's part of an entrepreneur maybe it's part of a business where people can

01:59:12.120 actually fund you to create propaganda videos or educational videos to create something to have

01:59:17.660 that impact and this is my whole point we can talk about good ideas and good kind of fronts of where

01:59:22.600 we can push our ideas in different parts of the existing system but in we need to have professional

01:59:28.720 organizations and people willing to you know show up and do the professional white color work

01:59:33.440 so that's my next question the last question to you kevin are you going to put on a tie

01:59:37.500 and get to work and get into the system

01:59:39.560 or you want to continue highlighting

01:59:41.700 from the outside?

01:59:46.180 You got, we lost you.

01:59:47.760 It sounds like we're losing him.

01:59:50.700 Okay.

01:59:51.820 We can't hear you.

01:59:53.800 Sorry, Kevin. That was a good episode.

01:59:56.000 Greg, I think that's our cue.

01:59:58.020 Thank you very much, both of you, for hanging out

01:59:59.560 with me this afternoon and having a great chat.

02:00:02.100 I think we all learned something

02:00:03.480 here, but I don't think there is a

02:00:05.580 system that ever rebuilt.

02:00:06.700 uh it's rubber banding i can't hear sorry kevin uh but i don't think there's ever been a system

02:00:11.240 that's rebuilt you've always taken it and repaired it all of them have been that way

02:00:15.280 uh greg do you want to have a final comment or go and sorry kev we can't hear you

02:00:18.980 yeah thanks uh thanks for having me um we got to look at what's practical we got to look at

02:00:25.460 shifting the overton window and right now that is talking about demographics it's talking about

02:00:31.520 mass deportations this also represents the liberal ideology or the trudeau ideology of like being

02:00:38.880 racist is the worst thing ever they implemented that for a reason if we actually want to end the

02:00:44.300 woke we need we need to attack the core of that which is political correctness okay there is 0.66

02:00:49.480 rampant crime happening across the country and it is not being enforced there is a crazy demographic

02:00:55.020 change going on that is changing the face and cultural identity of canada and no one's talking

02:01:01.180 about it and you get racist for, for, for talking about it. We need to push against that first and

02:01:07.240 foremost, because that is going to mobilize Canadians and help them get in the right mindset

02:01:13.160 of like, maybe being Canadian is a distinct thing. Maybe we are a distinct nation. Maybe

02:01:19.040 we have our distinct interests. And once we kind of get people on that page, then we can start to

02:01:25.240 say, Hey, maybe we can start rebuilding our institutions or repairing them to actually

02:01:29.860 work for us but it starts with this mindset shift of thinking of ourselves as a nation and not just

02:01:36.840 this this economic zone of people who work at mcdonald's which is what this new you know right

02:01:43.780 right-wing leaders are doing with polyev it's a new version of post-nationalism where it's uh

02:01:49.480 it's not diversity is our strength it's the best and brightest is our strength and being a canadian

02:01:53.780 has nothing to do with your cultural heritage

02:01:55.760 or who came before you.

02:01:58.400 It has to do, being European and Christian,

02:02:01.560 it has to do with being a hard worker.

02:02:05.400 Yeah, I would agree with that, Greg, a lot.

02:02:07.600 And thank you very much for your time.

02:02:09.200 And I think the answer to Kevin's question

02:02:10.700 is it would be the municipal funded fire department

02:02:13.340 that comes and puts out the fire at the house.

02:02:15.840 And I also think that the Kevin Anarchist Internet Service

02:02:19.100 kind of ran out on us.

02:02:20.680 So he may want to have some improved competition

02:02:22.800 with that internet service and get something better kev i don't know if you're back or you

02:02:27.020 can hear us kev can you hear us no can you talk nope so that's it for kevin but thank you very

02:02:38.300 much for everybody for hanging out with us on a sunday just a last minute episode and i had a lot

02:02:42.860 of fun have yourself a wonderful weekend you take care of each other and your family these are the

02:02:47.460 most important messages you shake the hand of a neighbor or a stranger and why do i keep reminding

02:02:51.020 you about this is because i love you all very much and god bless thanks jason yeah i'm waiting

02:02:58.640 for my woman to hit the queue but i'll end it bye 0.76

02:03:02.200 all right can you guys even see me oh no can i even do this shoot that sucks 0.97

02:03:18.100 all right guys thanks for tuning in uh that was the stream uh this sucks you can't see me eh 0.68

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02:04:09.760 and should be a nation but uh thanks for watching guys we're gonna talk to you soon until next time

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Greg Wycliffe - February 09, 2025

Debating an Anarcho-Capitalist🔴

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