00:05:55.860And I would like to, after I kind of complete my statement addressing sort of the protest
00:06:00.500that you were suggesting, I kind of do, I would like to go over kind of like our both
00:06:06.120different versions of like what our vision is for the future of how we could turn this
00:06:11.120country around because i'm i'm very curious what dismantling the entire system looks like
00:06:16.480um and i'm hoping that you could kind of go first with that because i because i i have my own kind
00:06:21.880of take on that but um yeah i mean you i i saw a tweet of yours i guess going viral and it was
00:06:30.240hey guys let's do another convoy let's protest the prorogation of parliament something along
00:06:36.120those lines is that is that accurate yeah and you know just to be clear the it was never the only
00:06:42.620reason why i chose convoy 2024 hashtag it was you know specifically because any you know if i would
00:06:49.020have chose prorogation 2024 or you know some random hashtag 2024 i knew it wouldn't have gotten
00:06:55.100uh traction like i've tried to put hashtags out there uh for a very long time um so i use that
00:07:01.200that hashtag specifically to try to get it to to get traction but it made it very clear that it was
00:07:07.780all about you know prorogation uh protesting prorogation and the reason why i felt that that
00:07:13.680was you know something um that we should be doing is because uh you know justin trudeau uh you know
00:07:21.000put out a post in 2011 specifically stating that he was protesting prorogation of the harper
00:07:27.340government so i said okay you know we already have you know uh established scenario where this
00:07:33.860own government or you know our prime minister was out protesting prorogation um you know why don't
00:07:40.900we use their own narrative um against them and that was that that was my my whole philosophy
00:07:48.700that was my my entire um you know um game plan but i i know that at the end of the day you know
00:07:55.540protesting and you know writing to members of parliament you know it it really doesn't do
00:08:00.840anything but all i wanted was for people to at least get up off of their butts and do something
00:08:07.160because you know i've been people have been saying you know oh you're you're there and you're posting
00:08:11.980and you're tweeting but you know you're not really doing anything what are you trying to do to
00:08:17.000organize something so i said okay this is an opportunity where we have clear precedent in the
00:08:21.620past um you know shutting down parliament is is kind of a big thing um you know why don't we
00:08:28.020so it was basically a call to action to to do something that that was that was the entire uh
00:08:35.800you know so behind it so the the thrust of my main criticism of this um truck you know trucker
00:08:41.980convoy 2.0 protesting parliament um the prorogation of parliament was i said this is probably you
00:08:49.120might as well be wearing a conservative party of Canada t-shirt at this uh at this demonstration
00:08:54.760because it would just be kind of usurped or used by Pierre Polyev the conservative party of Canada
00:09:00.280so and wouldn't you know it they're actually doing a uh he uh Polyev just announced a rally
00:09:06.000uh Canada first rally in Ottawa uh like a few days from now uh so I guess my question is like do you
00:09:11.960support Pierre Polyev no like if you look through my posts you know I'm very critical of of him no
00:09:18.280that's fine that's fine that's it was a yes or no question so why um you know what did you think
00:09:24.340of that criticism that i had towards your you know your convoy idea like did you take that seriously
00:09:30.580or well i understood where you're coming from but like like if you're a ppc if you support the ppc
00:09:37.440your main objective or your primary objective should be and this is my thought process you
00:09:42.640correct me if i'm wrong should be to try to get pierre polyev in as fast as possible because the
00:09:49.360sooner he can do it the sooner he's gonna like you know re-nag or you know turn hard left or
00:09:55.380you know um abandon his voting base like every single conservative uh leader has done uh for
00:10:02.460you know since the dawn of time um you know then it would be an opportunity for you know the ppc to
00:10:09.760come out and say okay you know the conservatives abandoned you again you know look at this as as
00:10:15.500maybe a viable option but now uh because of the prorogation what is likely going to happen is
00:10:22.100mark carney is going to be installed uh as prime minister and then and then the media is going to
00:10:27.620turn the uh the talking points to you know u.s attacking uh canada through you know economic war
00:10:35.620and whatnot which is going to change the entire outcome of any election and you know it could
00:10:41.360knock Pierre Polyev down to a minority or even a coalition government that you know a liberal NDP
00:10:47.440government can come and now you have another four years of you know you know Mark Carney or you know
00:10:53.820a combination of both and and then you have conservatives you know waiting another four years
00:10:59.200and then you just push the the the entire timeline back that much longer right so then you do then
00:11:07.660in this organization of a convoy you kind of were hoping to push in polyev quicker that was kind of
00:11:14.600like part of the goal then with with the well the goal would be to get rid of this government and
00:11:20.500whoever is next uh to to to take that spot because that is you know the position you know if it was
00:11:27.260maybe you know maxine bernier that was leading the polls then he would be the next benefit but
00:11:33.100the goal would be to dissolve dissolve this government not have it not have it cling on to
00:11:38.620power and potentially win an election um you know going into october or you know 2026 and now you
00:11:46.420have this whole conservative movement still rallying behind pierre polyette um or whoever
00:11:51.760replaces him and you know they won't be able to see the failures that he's going to bring up
00:11:58.000uh until three or four years from now can i ask a question here kev what what do you think would
00:12:03.620delay an election normal business as usual or an emergency in canada economic or otherwise
00:12:09.120yeah like uh economic you know we already saw mark carney come out and and declare a a state
00:12:16.280of crisis i mean he's a private citizen he he has about the same amount of power as i do uh so he
00:12:23.240doesn't really have the the authority to to declare a crisis but this is what we're going to be doing
00:12:29.000and if you took a take a look at the recent um you know ctv nanos poll i know it's propaganda news
00:12:34.740uh but you know they're positioning mark carney uh way ahead of pierre polyev as who is best suited
00:12:41.040to negotiate with Donald Trump on that specific question.
00:12:45.520You know, Polyev is still, you know, winning in the overall voting.
00:12:50.720But on that specific question, you know, he's 42 points versus, you know, 21 points for the CPC.
00:12:58.580So that just tells you if the ballot question changes, you know, and you can see how they're campaigning.
00:13:06.080Mark Carney and Christopher Freeland, you know, get rid of the carbon tax, get rid of the capital games tax and basically neutering all the CPC talking points.
00:13:16.280And you can already see that their their support over the last week or two is it is starting is starting to dive.
00:13:23.440So if that trend continues for the next, you know, three, six months and they see that, you know, in the polls, you may not need to.
00:13:31.300they may not need to delay an election, but if they feel that they need to get that much more
00:13:36.320time, an extra six months, an extra year, for sure they can declare a fake crisis in France
00:13:41.120and sell us more power. Kevin, have you been following politics for a long time in Canada?
00:13:46.600I have. Yeah, because you sound very in tune with the polls and the changing and shifting
00:13:52.400trends between these major establishment parties. And I guess I find it very interesting because
00:13:57.580you don't as jason said at the beginning don't you want to like dissolve the whole system or
00:14:03.380something i i do but i understand that it's a process it it's not going to happen overnight
00:14:11.120uh it could take like you know 20 30 40 years you know even yuri bezmanov said if we you know
00:14:17.080start the clock right now it would take you know at least two or three generations to change back
00:14:21.880the tides to normalcy to liberty and independence so you know it's not going to start i'm not going
00:14:27.860to say tomorrow you know we're going to wake up and they're you know you know dismantle the system
00:14:33.220and you know everything is going to be gone it's going to be you know complete chaos because you
00:14:37.320know that number one it would be delusional thinking that would that would never happen
00:14:41.100uh and so it it does take a process and unfortunately you know there are a lot of
00:14:49.080people in in canada that you know see only only two parties they see red and and they see blue
00:14:56.760uh you know and so i i feel that in order to speed up the process we need to get team blue in
00:15:05.000as as fast as possible so they can you know screw up you know like like i said and you know maybe
00:15:12.380The if the voter if the voter at least has, you know, integrity and intellectual honesty with themselves, they can, you know, come to the foregone conclusion that, OK, we are in a uniparty voting for conservative and liberal back and forth is is is not going to change anything.
00:15:31.440Maybe we need to look at, you know, different options.
00:15:35.280Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I wanted to go back to some things you said about, you know, some things about this protest that you suggested.
00:15:42.380Uh, and kind of compare it to like a long-term solution versus a short-term solution.
00:15:46.640Um, and I guess I thought it was funny that like, we got to get rid of this blue red dichotomy.
00:15:51.080We got to get the blue guys in quicker.
00:15:53.340And it's like, well, is that really like, that looks like more of like a short term sort of, um, action that doesn't really solve anything.
00:16:02.580Um, but I guess I would like to kind of get you to explain what your vision looks like.
00:16:09.860Well, actually, before that, actually, one quick question, you know, in terms of trying to turn this country around, would you rather have, you know, what do you think would be better, having a conservative majority with no PPC seats or a conservative majority with a couple of PPC seats?
00:16:29.180Well, first of all, I don't think I think majority governments are wrong because they're basically de facto dictators.
00:16:35.880So, you know, any majority government is wrong.
00:16:39.280And even if there are some PPC seats in a majority government, they don't really have any power.
00:16:44.420So a minority government would be, you know, the best suited with, you know, parties from across the spectrum.
00:16:49.900So a few PPC, a few, you know, NDP, a few.
00:16:53.720But if they're a minority government, they can't really get much done, right?
00:19:58.320Like, we have the largest unprotected border.
00:20:00.620How does that make sense if you want to do it locally the whole way across?
00:20:04.900So if you take a look at, you know, how the United States was founded, it was founded as, you know, 50, or we're going to call it now 50 individual countries under one union, where each individual nation had its own, you know, National Guard, right?
00:20:18.860And the National Guard's primary goal was to protect the border of that nation within the union.
00:20:24.240So it would be very easy for, you know, each province to create some sort of, you know, National Guard to protect, you know, borders and whatnot.
00:20:36.660You know, especially if you take a look at our military, right, it doesn't serve the people, it serves the crown.
00:20:42.440And, you know, they made that quite obvious during the COVID, where, you know, military operations, they were spying on people.
00:20:49.180They were using psychological operations on the Canadian people.
00:20:52.440So right off the bat, it tells you that, you know, the Canadian military is compromised and is not in the best interest of, you know, we the people.
00:21:01.600It's in the best interest of the crown and the state.
00:21:04.220So they should lose their right to even, you know, form a military and maybe look at, you know, another solution.
00:21:13.380So, again, it's downloading the powers of the federal government.
00:21:19.780There is no there's, you know, Ottawa. And then you take a look at, you know, people from, you know, St. John's to people from, you know, Victoria and everywhere in between.
00:21:30.200There's a lot of different viewpoints. There's a lot of different ideologies.
00:21:33.840And there are people out west. They don't feel that they're well represented by, you know, you know, Ottawa government.
00:21:41.080So why not take away the power of Ottawa altogether and bring it to more of a local government where, you know, the people feel that they have more power to affect change instead of being, you know, ruled over by tyrants thousands of miles away?
00:21:58.140yeah so um i i think i disagree with that i think kind of dissolving the federal government would
00:22:05.600would add more chaos and uh it doesn't even speak to the actual corruption it's like could not
00:22:11.860could there not just be corrupt bureaucrats at the provincial level the municipal level of course
00:22:15.660we can find that yeah so that doesn't solve that problem though right and i do want to take a step
00:22:19.520back here because i kind of entertained your frame there for a second but you know you're you
00:22:25.280we'll wave our wand and we'll download the power to the provincial government and the municipal
00:22:30.960government um this is what i'm talking about when it comes to being practical um i don't have a
00:22:36.960magic wand that does that i don't think you do either so once again how long-term vision middle
00:22:43.580term vision short-term vision what does the actual solution look like in your mind to it to to
00:22:48.520accomplish a seismic change like this but it's inevitable right when you know the government
00:22:54.980the federal government becomes bankrupt and they can no longer borrow and you know borrow money
00:23:00.280that's printed out of thin air when they can no longer pay their obligations when they're in when
00:23:04.620the interest payments are higher than the taxes coming in when they declare bankruptcy that is
00:23:11.720inevitable it's going to happen what's going to happen that the federal government will declare
00:23:19.340bankruptcy and there will be no federal well we we don't know what happens after that we haven't
00:23:25.460had a system where you know our federal government has declared bankruptcy but that it's inevitable
00:23:29.240in a fiat-based monetary system which the system that we live in so we wait till that happens
00:23:34.400and then what we we run to the local city hall to try and get a seat to get power
00:23:39.000these are like these are really important questions like if you're if we're going to
00:23:44.200talk about the future of the country and how we're going to try and move forward and turn it around
00:23:48.040you're saying wait till i go back bankrupt and then what it'll be a cash grab it'll be
00:23:52.760trying to grab seats in the parliament like like what do you mean man well my question is i don't
00:23:58.420understand why people are so adamant in in in trying to maintain the power of the state you
00:24:04.000know yeah no but i'm talking about solutions we can talk all day about how the system could be
00:24:09.720better i agree with you the system could be better we got to get rid of these corrupt people they
00:24:13.480don't even serve the people i totally agree with you how are we going to do that well if you want
00:24:19.960if you want the number the the you know the most effective way you know whether it's gonna you know
00:24:25.720likely or not is you have to abolish the central bank the central bank how are we going to abolish
00:24:31.920the central bank like how does that happen how like you know like through through through education
00:24:38.220and like i said this isn't going to happen next week next month next year five years from now
00:24:43.380We got time. We got time to paint me a picture here of what of what educating people about abolishing the central bank.
00:24:52.240What is what does that look like? Like, is there a political organization involved?
00:24:56.480Is it going to be campaigning? Are you going to, you know, it's the government or what?
00:25:01.220It's when it's when the currency becomes worthless and it's destroyed through hyperinflation and the fiat monetary system ceases to exist.
00:25:09.800uh that's when the the central bank would be you know basically uh be ridding of itself
00:25:15.480but kevin to be practical and i think it's where greg's trying to go with this is what would that
00:25:20.640actually look like and i can see if canada even came close to that it would be the government
00:25:24.920bringing central bank digital currency or some other solution to the table international money
00:25:29.940or something along those lines they they would try like the bank of international settlements
00:25:34.300you know would try and come in and and offer monetary fund the global bank all like yeah
00:25:40.480so the question i guess the question is how would that look like you know practical what needs to
00:25:47.640happen and what needs to happen is people have to you know need to be dealt much more pain you know
00:25:54.060the number one the number one um but i don't see a protest saying more pain more pain being
00:26:00.300successful so i'm not sure how you can accelerate that but a little more practical just one second
00:26:05.300a little bit more practical as you were on to something carney's coming in there's a deal with
00:26:09.920sing already about economic relief they are pushing the levers of a trade war they're not
00:26:14.680trying to pull back at all uh they've already signaled they're not going to be complying with
00:26:18.460trump within 30 days so we're heading in that direction and if carney is selected which it
00:26:22.620looks like we could be seeing at some sort of type of ubi being put in place which would accelerate
00:26:28.140the pain you're talking about but not for most canadians most canadians are going to take that
00:26:32.660check and that money and and just be ignorant with it there's very few people know about what
00:26:37.900will happen like you do and greg knows uh but how do you get more people to understand it kev i think
00:26:43.260is a question here well that that's that's the you know that's economic pain they they you know
00:26:47.840the pain has to be you know uh knock on knock on their front door when you know they have to choose
00:26:52.520between you know paying the rent or you know buying groceries um and because the the they're
00:26:57.820going to send checks before that happens is that starting to happen they're going to bail us out
00:27:02.900and that's going to or it'll happen and the media will say you know it's because of
00:27:07.440the conservative racists that this is happening you know like they'll spin the narrative and
00:27:12.320they'll vilify some faction of society that that benefits uh the ruling class they can say what
00:27:18.640but they can say whatever they want but what it would do it would it would destroy the purchasing
00:27:22.880power of of the currency and it would drive up living costs right that and and the number one
00:27:28.680reason the number one issue that has toppled governments more than any other issue uh is
00:27:33.960rising food prices and when food prices rise above 40 percent of you know median income um the the
00:27:40.960um the scenario or the situation to you know overthrow the state becomes more more favorable
00:27:48.420than you know peacefully complying uh through you know slavery and and tyranny so that that is
00:27:55.280you know it what is the practical solution food prices have to go to about 40 percent of what
00:28:00.260people make uh for them to see that you know how much pain this is for them to actually get up and
00:28:06.020violently revolt against the system i don't disagree but what i'm trying to i don't know
00:28:10.640about the violently revolt part but but i don't but that's that that's that's that's what history
00:28:14.960recess happens. Can you give an example? Can you give an example? Because you're mentioning a
00:28:23.300toppling of government? Can you give an example of like, a model of where this has happened and
00:28:28.560where you think it'll happen in Canada? Well, it just happened recently in Sri Lanka, right?
00:28:33.200You know, we saw that that was, you know, it may be six months or a year ago, Arab Springs was
00:28:39.640another you know example um you know uh again caused by rising food prices you know venezuela
00:28:45.940you know central america um you know countries in the middle east you know it's you know it's it's
00:28:52.500it's it's a it's a process that just repeats over and over through throughout history so so you want
00:28:59.520you want to so you know i want to get it's not it's not what i want it's just you know understanding
00:29:05.960that that is the cycle right so i'm kind of asking you like what your sort of vision is
00:29:11.640or what the goal should be and i want to get to mine but to like to summarize yours are
00:29:17.880wait until things get worse and maybe there's going to be a violent uprising like is that your
00:29:24.280solution in a nutshell or well i think you said wait for it to get worse then we bankrupt and
00:29:29.400then the system kind of resets to the provinces or something along those lines kev is that along
00:29:33.640the right lines well let's be honest you know we can go out there and do things all we want right
00:29:39.680but until there is a national movement to actually affect change nothing will happen and you know
00:29:46.120what three four percent of the population is really all you need um to cause a violent change
00:29:52.940in the political in the political structure of a country uh and and we we don't even have that
00:29:59.360You know, I would love I would love to, you know, get up and do something right now. But unfortunately, again, there's not enough people that have been dealt, you know, that pain. And you'd think that, you know, going through COVID that would have been much higher of a number. But, you know, everybody just kind of, you know, went back to watching Netflix and whatever.
00:30:23.100It's just understanding what the natural progression of the system would be.
00:30:29.460It's a giant pendulum swinging back and forth between collectivism and individualism.
00:30:35.300And that pendulum could take 200, 300 years to swing fully.
00:30:39.820what makes you think if there is this sort of uh you know collapse of sorts and this shift of power
00:30:48.400what makes you think that the people who usurp the power next will have the best interest of
00:30:53.560people in mind of the people in mind well that's that's a very good question and you know history
00:30:58.980has also said that you know they they won't and then you know one tyrant is is replaced with it
00:31:04.480with another tyrant um so we're talking about solutions here kevin this sounds like a black
00:31:12.040pill cycle of just more decay and destruction and then more new tyrants moving the the answer
00:31:19.380the answer is to remoral i guess you know the answer would be what can we do is to remoralize
00:31:25.120society you know you know society has been demoralized to such an extent um that you know
00:31:31.860they're no longer able to access, you know, risk in, you know,
00:31:37.720against themselves, against, you know, their, their family,
00:31:40.640against their community, against, you know, their own livelihoods.
00:31:43.900And, and it's a process that's, you know,
00:31:45.820taken decades to, to, to inflict on society and it'll take, you know,
00:31:51.860decades to unravel on society. So, you know, what can we do right now?
00:31:56.700You know, what is a call to action right now? You know,
00:31:59.840start focusing on um you know um you know what is it nuclear you know building you know stronger
00:32:08.260ties with families stronger ties with you know community um local localized um you know start
00:32:15.740you know learning you know teaching you know your kids um things of of value um that that may have
00:32:23.100um you know much more value in a new paradigm like you know working with your hands electrician
00:32:28.540you know, plenty of trades, stuff like that, instead of, you know, the academic nonsense that has absolutely no value, you know, in today's system.
00:32:38.880So I guess that would be, you know, the call to action is to is more primarily focused on the education aspect.
00:32:47.620You know, educating people on, you know, the dangers of the system, educating people on the dangers of complying with the system,
00:32:56.420educating people on you know the dangers of our monetary system and i believe that it is the
00:33:02.200monetary system that is the most dangerous to our freedoms and liberties and if people really
00:33:07.980understood how dangerous it was like henry ford said there would be a revolution by by by tomorrow
00:33:13.280morning uh but people don't understand these concepts and it's because that then they're
00:33:18.220allowed to get away with um you know um everything that that they get away with and
00:33:23.440And so I guess, you know, a call to action, a practical solution is to become more localized and to try to focus on things that you can change, rather than focusing on things that you cannot change.
00:33:38.560Things you can change are things in your immediate area, which is primarily your family and how you spend your money, where you spend your money, your local connections.
00:33:54.820um you know like i live on on a farm in quebec and you know building connections with you know
00:34:00.300local farmers and um and and whatnot for you know dairy or meats and try to get away from you know
00:34:07.140the corporatism uh you know try to get away from you know that type of style um i guess that would
00:34:13.280be you know the immediate the immediate call to action you know be prepared for with you know you
00:34:18.480know crisis currencies um you know things that will hold value if you know something does happen
00:34:25.160uh and if nothing happens then you have a bunch of crisis currencies like you know alcohol tobacco
00:34:30.880firearms ammunition you know just the basics coffee um you know just just stuff like that
00:34:36.260be prepared for the worst but you know hope for the best type of thing so you know and again to
00:34:41.000answer your question you know call to action what can we do right now um educating you know people
00:34:48.140in your in your circle of influence on on the dangers and you know the hardest part about that
00:34:53.900is having your circle of influence actually listen to you because you know i can get better success
00:35:00.080with random strangers listen to me than people in my immediate family so um again there's i wish i
00:35:08.380had an all in all solutions that you know this is the map this is how i see everything is going to
00:35:13.060happen and i have a crystal ball and i can predict everything but i i don't i don't i just i just know
00:35:18.520that i don't like you know the idea of uh of a federal government oppressing its people uh i
00:35:24.920don't like their high taxes i don't like the fact that they treat us like you know free-range slaves
00:35:29.700on their tax farm uh and i think that this system especially if you take a look at you know canada
00:35:34.960uh we should be the most prosperous people in the world there's no reason for us to you know even
00:35:40.160have to pay taxes there's no reason for us to even be in debt uh but but we are um and you know
00:35:45.980the only reason for that is we've been sold out by governments uh for for decades for decades and
00:35:51.640decades all right so i'm gonna throw it now to greg because i heard kevin's solution which
00:35:56.560really isn't one it's just be ready for the situation when it comes up uh he didn't say
00:36:01.740toilet paper but he said everything else other than toilet paper to be ready for uh what is your
00:36:05.900opinion greg because i don't think i like what kevin said a couple times was in history this is
00:36:11.140how it always happens but he provided three examples and historically what actually happens
00:36:15.440is the government does shift a bit and starts going back to the right and then starts going
00:36:18.820back to the left start going back to the right um and it does change over time and we're seeing
00:36:23.960some dramatic changes with trump and that's with the non-violent resolution a revolution
00:36:28.880so what are your thoughts about what kev said and what are your plans are greg
00:36:32.740yeah yeah i i appreciate you sharing all that kevin thanks jason there is a um you know i've
00:36:40.400been following politics tumbling down the rabbit hole for some time now and uh you know people
00:36:46.320like to think that there's a solution outside of the system somehow and i tell them even if there
00:36:52.580was an apocalypse tomorrow you know they're all technology fails it's some sort of dystopian
00:36:58.620wasteland there's still going to be a political nature to the world there's going to be strong
00:37:05.720men there's going to be strong men who usurp the resources and the weapons and they're going to
00:37:11.120use those weapons and resources and start to build a network start to create a you know economy all
00:37:18.260that's going to happen and there's going to be people in charge this is human nature this is
00:37:23.480human nature i i i understand i understand i understand that it's the tribalism aspect that
00:37:28.120goes back to caveman days like it's not it's it's it's it's your tribe yeah yeah so let me give me
00:37:35.040some time to share all my thoughts here because it's you know it's connecting to with with some
00:37:39.060of what you said which is you know when you're saying there's going to be this failure of uh
00:37:44.400of the system or that we're going to go bankrupt you know do you really think the people who are
00:37:48.340in power now would create this opportunity for other people to come and hey you know what we
00:37:54.800we're bankrupt now someone else should take over you know if anything they are planning this and
00:38:00.460they are planning the next step and uh so just kind of waiting for that to happen is obviously
00:38:05.560foolish and i also bring up this whole concept of the human nature of people even in an apocalypse
00:38:11.100to have there be some sort of hierarchy or structure um that's always at play here that's
00:38:17.380always at play so if you want to educate a lot of people about you know the central bank if you want
00:38:23.020to mobilize a lot of people to you know focus on your own community and focus on localism you need
00:38:31.240to engage in some degree of organization and in some in some cases some degree of politics this
00:38:36.880is always at play organizing people and moving them in the same direction getting them following
00:38:42.820the same leader singing the same tune thinking the same way this is what politics is whether
00:38:49.320there's a structure or not that is what is is going to happen um and i think that you know
00:38:56.620the manifestation of this convoy people saying hey let's vote for pierre let's become part of
00:39:03.300america it speaks to how desperate a lot of people are here in canada and they're defeated
00:39:09.280and they don't see any easy solutions so they come up with some of these kind of i call them
00:39:15.900like death star solutions like hey we just got to go in there shoot a missile into the death star
00:39:20.840and the whole thing explodes that's right the best example of this was norman traversy in 2020
00:39:25.640norman traversy created this pdf file and said i'm going to arrest justin trudeau for being a
00:39:31.060pedophile or something and all these people got on board he raised i think over a hundred thousand
00:39:35.840dollars or something and then he got the pdf and he put it into the mail slot for the the u.s embassy
00:39:43.040and nothing happened but it felt good it felt good to believe in this story this norman traversy
00:39:49.660story of like hey we're gonna you know we're gonna arrest trudeau and sovereign citizens have the
00:39:54.560same sort of argument where they say hey guys we're actually a corporation oh my god read this
00:40:00.020PDF file. We're going to change everything. And even if all that was true, you know, you need to
00:40:06.000get enough people on board to believe that, to implement that. And why I always try to dial in
00:40:12.520these conversations and bring it back down to reality is we have no political power right now.
00:40:19.520People who think like us have no political power right now. And in the worst cases, we don't even
00:40:25.120have any sort of institutional power and i'm going to go into segue into my solution of what
00:40:32.260this can look look like in the long term spoiler alert it's a lot of hard work it's a lot of toil
00:40:38.420it's a lot of building stuff from nothing um ever since the convoy i realized that you know just
00:40:46.300having activists isn't enough it can work in a short-term sprint in an emergency situation when
00:40:52.120The government's really out of control, and in many respects, that's what the trucker convoy was.
00:40:56.740Activists kind of coming out of the woodwork because it was so insane what the government was doing,
00:41:27.940They don't have to be directly connected to politics, but they can still kind of cultivate
00:41:30.820our same belief system or what we want for the future of the country, right?
00:41:35.220There's a lot of different ways to influence change.
00:41:37.540And I bring this up to like paint this picture of a network of professional organized individuals,
00:41:44.220entrepreneurs, because our politically, our political enemies do this very effectively.
00:41:49.020You know, you have the liberals pushing climate change policies, and then you have a whole slew of professional organizations backing them up, nonprofits, people in the corporate world pushing the same policies.
00:42:00.700They call it the managerial class, right?
00:42:03.660And they're in power positions in the corporate world, in politics, and they work together to accomplish their ends.
00:45:52.340And of course, the conservatives do a similar thing.
00:45:55.780But I think that why populism is a bit misguided is it kind of rejects the idea of having an elite or rejects the idea of having a powerful ruling class.
00:46:10.720When I think in reality, it might not even seem realistic for a lot of people right now, but we need our own ruling class who thinks like us, who is near the levers of power, who can make seismic changes to the country.
00:46:24.160and we're seeing a great example with trump right now in the states where you know is is he some
00:46:29.620kind of like farmer populist guy no he's he he's a businessman and he's he's making major moves and
00:46:35.860thankfully he's at least started to do some deportations you need the the power of the
00:46:40.140federal government to do that and if we i i think deportations is going to be it is super necessary
00:46:47.580given how many illegal people are here now and especially soon when these visas expire
00:46:51.540we need the power of the federal government to do that sure they might all be corrupt right now
00:46:57.060but if we slowly build these political organizations get people who think like us
00:47:02.680not necessarily in politics but also in the corporate world who can work together as a
00:47:08.040network like our enemies do then we can take back our institutions and reform canada to its former
00:47:14.600glory and what i'm just going to talk on there before i throw it to kevin is i think there's
00:47:19.880another definition here greg of populism but more of a modern populism where you're right
00:47:25.440historically it was to replace the elite get rid of the governing party from the people
00:47:29.980but a more modern one is uh the understanding that we are in a society where there's going to
00:47:35.400be elite and you kind of need them you need them to have the jobs and have the big companies and
00:47:39.020the big factories but where the people put accountability into the government and into
00:47:44.820the elite is where i think the modern populism movement is where the people are demanding
00:47:48.820accountability to the people and also some input by the people not every four years or every five
00:47:53.620years when there's election but throughout uh representation and that's where i think
00:47:58.180a modern populism movement is is where we're trying to push that into the current system
00:48:03.060uh of accountability and add accountability genuine accountability
00:48:06.580uh so i just wanted to throw that in there a little bit and then kevin i'm throwing it back
00:48:09.620to you because your question was uh why can't ppc get a seat i think if you look at ppc like a
00:48:15.300carbon copy of any traditional party you're looking at it wrong because the ppc hasn't created uh
00:48:23.540hey guys if you're enjoying the stream make sure you support the documentary i'm working on give
00:48:28.580singo.com save free speech thanks for watching like the traditional parties do ppc creates a
00:48:36.420platform for normal average people like myself and others to go ahead and put themselves forward
00:48:41.860as an option to the people so it's more of a platform than it is a party uh and it's and when
00:48:47.360i say platform i don't necessarily mean what what ideas are we aligning with i quite literally mean
00:48:52.660like there's a microphone and you go up there and start speaking to people and putting your ideas
00:48:56.560out there that's what's very different with the ppc and canada's not used to that yet they're used
00:49:01.480to polished professional pandering politicians right that's what they're used to uh so when
00:49:07.160they see somebody who's not polished he's not pandering he's not professional all the time
00:49:11.400And sometimes they use words that are crass and stuff.
00:56:57.400And the majority of the country, or at least a lot of people who voted for the liberals, supported this.
00:57:02.780So this idea that they can't be like an aggressive strong, like Canadians don't have it in them to be an aggressive strong man, that's totally not the case.
00:57:11.320We've already seen the ugly face of, you know, whatever you want to call it, leftist authoritarianism.
00:57:17.540But the key word there is authoritarianism, a strong federal government that will impose aggressive measures.
01:02:08.400I was wondering if we could maybe switch the topic a bit.
01:02:12.120Kevin, are you a card-carrying, like a narco-capitalist?
01:02:18.960Well, there's no real card-carrying narco-capitalist.
01:02:21.340Would you be the first card-carrying one then?
01:02:23.800Well, you know, anarcho-capitalism is the absence of the state, right?
01:02:28.240You know, that's the whole premise behind it.
01:02:30.380There is no state, so you can't really be a card-carrying anarcho-capitalist.
01:02:36.580It's just a phrase, guys. It's just a phrase.
01:02:40.020Non-card-carrying then, but would you align with that?
01:02:42.520But if you want to look at what my political philosophy or ideology would most closely align to,
01:02:48.640it would be, you know, more libertarianism, you know, and, you know, the Libertarian Party in
01:02:54.900Canada has ever since, you know, Tim Moan left has been very disappointing. And even the Libertarian
01:03:01.020Party ever since Ron Paul left has been extremely disappointing. So yeah, that would be closest to
01:03:09.220my philosophy and point of view, you know, is libertarian ideology.
01:03:14.180i i was thinking about because i you know i haven't gone in these debates very much with
01:03:21.080an anarcho-capitalist i'm not really that familiar with with the ins and outs of it but
01:03:25.500you know libertarian sure and i guess i was thinking of covet and all of these rules that
01:03:34.460came down upon us not just in the government but also in different businesses and a lot of this
01:03:41.400came from the will of a corporation or of a industry that represents a group of very powerful
01:03:47.560corporations, which is called the big pharmaceutical industry. So as an anarcho-capitalist or as
01:03:54.360somebody who is a libertarian, like doesn't that make you a little bit uncomfortable knowing that
01:03:59.060the forces of a corporation or a group of corporations can compromise our politicians,
01:04:05.660compromise our media even impose uh policies at different other corporations for employees
01:04:13.240across the board well that's fast that's fascism yeah but it comes it comes from a corporate
01:04:19.360incentive comes from the free market like it comes from sure corrupt people in suits who are
01:04:25.620massaging those in power but this idea even if the state like let's say there is no federal government
01:04:30.900would it not almost even be easier for a corporation like big pharma to try to impose
01:04:36.400regulations to force us to take their product because that happened with the state existing
01:04:41.020so if the state wasn't there how would we be more protected how would we be even more protected from
01:04:45.640that well you know first we have to understand what you know capitalism is um and you know and
01:04:53.120because what you're describing is fascism right it's the merger of state and corporate powers
01:04:57.420where big business and big government get into bed with each other
01:05:00.740and then, you know, dictate and mandate at will.
01:05:04.700So, you know, in true capitalism, there would be no, you know,
01:05:09.260centralization of, you know, there would be no big state
01:05:12.420and there would be no individual or no corporation would have a monopoly
01:05:18.800on the issuing of a nation's currency,
01:05:21.400which is which is what is was the primary drive behind this right was that is that you know who
01:05:30.080was funding all of that who was funding the campaigns who is you know funneling money to
01:05:34.900big pharma where was that money coming from uh and and and the primary source is the central bank
01:05:40.660that's where that's where everything came from so it's the relationship between you know the
01:05:45.780central bank and the government and then you know then the government and the pharmaceutical
01:05:50.340corporations you know so that is that is the main issue and so you know corporatism and you know
01:05:58.520is and and capitalism are two completely different things right corporatism i see as fascism uh and
01:06:05.900capitalism would be the absence of you know that relationship without the aid of a of a centralized
01:06:12.640um you know bank being able to fund everything
01:06:16.160all right i um i i guess it's just hard to imagine a world that that doesn't have a central bank and
01:06:27.520and a you know a pharmaceutical industry you know like a lot of what you're saying is kind of like
01:06:33.000this huge hypothetical that we got to get rid of them or if they weren't there or if i had my way
01:06:38.100You know, it would be like this. And it's like, well, it's not that way. So I guess I'm the central bank has one one goal, one primary objective, and that is to enslave humanity. That is all they've done through perpetual debt. So that should be the primary objective is to, you know, get rid of the central bank.
01:07:01.580uh you know is it is it likely going to happen who knows probably not in my lifetime um but you
01:07:08.460know a more um a better scenario or you know a more uh you know freedom-based would be you know
01:07:14.660some sort of you know a competing currencies uh you know where you don't have one a monopolization
01:07:20.880on on the currency for the for a nation you have you know people actually you know companies and
01:07:26.200and whatnot, or, you know, smaller governments actually competing with individual currencies
01:07:33.340themselves, just like, you know, an Amazon gift card or, you know, an iTunes card or,
01:07:38.540you know, you know, stuff like this, right?
01:10:13.880Finally, Polyev is changing his messaging now, changing his messaging.
01:10:18.480Now, if you think the PPC didn't exist and no one was complaining about
01:10:22.300Pierre Polyev, do you think he would have even shifted his message?
01:10:25.080Maybe he might've, but it's like people like us who are further right,
01:10:28.800pushing the overton window challenging polyev criticized rightfully criticizing him like this
01:10:34.300is what actually what did he change on he's abandoning this the this it's the carbon tax
01:10:39.380election he's abandoning that and he's going to do something that's more aggressive he's going to
01:10:42.740call it canada first i don't think it's really like a real canada first this guy that's that's
01:10:47.480that's only because mark carney stepped in and took the window to the sales that's kind of the
01:10:52.040point though he will change when needed uh deportation is another thing he changed on he
01:10:56.740said no deportation of students but now he's starting to talk about deportation of illegals
01:11:00.700only deportation by definition is somebody that needs to leave so there should be no groups who
01:11:05.080should and shouldn't go they all should go and he's also shifted on the reaction to trump and
01:11:09.900the the trade he went from dollar to dollar to let's take care of our border and these are just
01:11:14.660a couple quick examples are kept and i don't think we really have to hash whether or not
01:11:19.500polyev is a panderer of course he is because he has to be that's the way the system works right
01:11:24.020now it's unfortunate but it is the truth and i think what greg is saying we need to be a lot
01:11:29.500more bright of this now one question i have for kevin and greg is do you see the cpc itself
01:11:35.120slowly splitting here because the more left here goes the more he dresses up the more he shifts
01:11:41.540his position the more that he's uh dragging down the cpc party itself there's a group inside of
01:11:47.700the cpc that are right leaning who can't stand this and they're biting their tongues right now
01:11:52.620So, Kev, a question for you, because you're the one that highlighted that CBC could be standing at a majority or even a minority government for them or for the Liberal Party if Carney wins.
01:12:05.080Do you see the CBC themselves splitting because they've gone so far left?
01:12:09.600So that's, you know, that's interesting because I put out a post yesterday and saying if the Conservatives lose another election to the Liberal Party,
01:12:47.200believe if uh if the cpc does lose in the next election um then that that should be it for that
01:12:53.740and you know how do you call yourself you know um conservative and then put you know progressive
01:13:00.220in front of it a progressive conservative is just like you know uh you know uh it's basically you
01:13:06.860know a socialist you know wearing a blue tie that's that's what i see it as um so this whole
01:13:13.220you know idea of progressive conservatism uh it it needs to go because again it's just you know
01:13:20.280pandering to the left you need you know um you know somebody you know the reform party you know
01:13:26.740people talk about that a lot uh but you know what what they wanted to do and you know ralph
01:13:33.060klein out in in alberta uh you know what they were actually you know they were much farther to the
01:13:39.680right than what Pierre Polyev and the CPC is. And, you know, I can even make the argument that
01:13:44.580Jean Chrétien is probably similar, similarly aligned. The Liberal Party of the 90s and the
01:13:51.0602000s is probably similarly aligned to what the CPC is right now. You know, that's how far to the
01:13:56.860left this whole party has shifted. So if they do lose another election, then they should just,
01:14:03.280you know, pack up and go and shut it down and let somebody else, you know, take over.
01:14:09.680great yeah i um i'm i'm just kind of thinking of like solutions right like solutions of what we
01:14:19.260can do and i was just looking at your twitter you got a pretty good pretty big platform over
01:14:23.780100 000 followers uh do you like do you do you ever talk about immigration mass immigration do
01:14:30.660ever like do you support deportations i don't i don't support deportation mass deportation you
01:14:36.580You don't support enforcing the rule of law in Canada for people who are here illegally?
01:14:41.180I think that is, you know, addressing the symptom and not the root cause.
01:14:47.400Can we do both? Fix the rules and deport?
01:14:52.920Again, you know, if, you know, I think deportation is more of an authoritarian stance.
01:14:59.560and i reject authoritarianism in in all its in all its forms including you know again you know
01:15:07.040right-wing authoritarianism using the power the force of the state uh to impose its will uh whether
01:15:12.900or not that you know the state because the state you know caused that problem to begin with you
01:15:16.920know i you know i believe that the the major issue is the welfare state uh if you eliminate and again
01:15:24.100you're going to say how is that going to happen what is that going to look like i have no idea
01:15:27.780But, you know, if you eliminate the welfare state, you know, if you stop paying people, you know, a per diem, if you start stop paying people, you know, to come out here and provide them with social services like, you know, health care, education, rent, cell phone, you know, food costs.
01:15:45.760If you eliminate all of that, then, you know, a mass majority of the people with the mass deportations would happen on their own.
01:15:54.080And for the people that, you know, would stick around and, you know, cause a ruckus or, you know, try to increase, you know, try to, you know, rob you or whatnot.
01:16:02.320That's where property rights and firearms rights come into play for people to be able to protect their lives and their property and their family with the use of force against any violent aggressor.
01:16:20.040So if you think that property rights are so important and that it's your right to protect your property and your stuff, why shouldn't a nation have a border?
01:16:29.780why shouldn't a nation kind of kick people out who are not supposed to be there
01:16:33.580well it sounds like you don't support that sounds like you don't support the idea of like a nation
01:16:38.220at all like or you don't think that it's like a priority to you know get people out of the country
01:16:43.880who are there illegally do you even like believe in a nation or is that like not even something
01:16:48.440that you're into and one thing to add on there kevin that dovetails to that too is authoritative
01:16:53.820is when you don't have the people support 64 percent of people want deportation so the people
01:17:00.540support this yeah but you're still using the force of the state to impose that right so you
01:17:07.400would use a force of the state to stop the guy from killing you too like this is what like you
01:17:13.240said in your opening one of the three things of the government is to protect the citizens
01:17:16.840so this rule of law and protecting them from people breaking it would be one of those
01:17:20.980yeah um so you know you guys put a lot of emphasis on you know mass deportations but it's very
01:17:29.120very you know not very often do we hear about ending the welfare state which is i believe the
01:17:35.160primary driver uh behind they may be related though kevin this might be what we're trying
01:17:39.260to highlight to you if we fix the deportation issue we fix canada we balance our system a
01:17:45.160little bit better we may have a lot less people that require these assistance that you don't want
01:17:48.840of supply anymore yeah i i don't know if we're going to you know agree on this on this particular
01:18:00.460point um what about the rule of law point just that point like if you don't like the law it
01:18:05.560needs to be changed and then less people will be deported if you change the law because of
01:18:09.040people's will was reflected but what about just a rule of law portion of it it's the law right now
01:18:14.360why shouldn't we enforce it i i mean you know if that's if that's the if that's the route that
01:18:20.540society why if that's the wealth that the nation wants to take you know again i can you know not
01:18:25.580support it or i can support it um you know those are those are my two options uh but you know we
01:18:32.060also have to keep we also have to entertain the idea of you know it was primarily driven uh by
01:18:38.700you know the free money that that these people have been given and if we don't end that if we
01:18:45.180don't end that you know the the free handouts uh then then it's you're you're basically putting a
01:18:50.460band-aid on on on a on a cancerous wound right uh it's it's it's not gonna it's not gonna treat
01:18:57.540it's not gonna fix the problem it might fix it in the short term but in in in the longer term
01:19:02.380the the the conditions are still there for for that to happen again so you have to address you
01:19:07.980have to address the welfare state um well i don't think greg is saying keep open borders but let's
01:19:14.180deport people i think he's saying there's a lot of issues but one of them is deport correct me
01:19:18.360if i'm wrong on that greg yeah i mean it's so it's very interesting that you want to push the
01:19:24.900overton window and you want to kind of invigorate canadians to change their country but it sounds
01:19:30.680like you don't really believe in the nation kind of even having its own independence and sovereignty
01:19:37.220Or like you don't really think that the Canadian people should be able to even protect themselves from outsiders who shouldn't be there?
01:19:43.440So if we don't have a sort of cohesive sense of unity, then how do we even impose things that we want for ourselves if we can't even differentiate of like who we are versus who they are, i.e. people who should not be here?
01:19:58.320Yeah, so, you know, basically you're asking the difference between nationalist ideology and an anarchist ideology.
01:21:39.060But is the state not some of the people who help enforce you have your land plot to help you satisfy that the system is in place, that yes, this is your plot of land.
01:34:32.280Well, you already know how I'm gonna answer that.
01:34:35.440he's asking for I actually don't dude I actually don't because earlier you were saying that I
01:34:41.180don't believe in borders also I should have my own private property and so it's you're kind of
01:34:47.300all over the map here I'm genuinely asking that I don't know what your answer is going to be
01:34:50.740yeah um I would much prefer tearing down the system uh than trying to save it that would be
01:35:00.540my answer okay wow um right so i really don't think that's realistic i asked you at the beginning
01:35:09.400what does that look like and you gave me a series of answers about the the central bank of canada
01:35:16.100is corrupt and that needs to go bankrupt and then people will starve and then there'll be some
01:35:20.020transfer of power which might not even be better and then you said we need to educate people about
01:35:24.880the central bank and then you said we need to uh educate people about localism and encourage them
01:35:30.160to like join their community or, or what have you and remoralize people. And I agree with some of
01:35:34.000those things, but, uh, nothing, none of that really has to do with like an actual, like visual,
01:35:39.660realistic steps of how to dissolve the existing institutions and rebuild new ones.
01:35:47.700Yeah. So basically, you know, everything that I, that I've told you are, or, you know, my, my,
01:35:54.600are my viewpoints are, and what I believe in. Um, and you know, you have your different viewpoints,
01:35:59.620You have things that you believe in that are obviously different than mine.
01:36:04.600And, you know, your plan of action is a lot different than, you know, my plan of action.
01:36:10.180And basically, I don't know if we're going to agree on this point or not, but I don't think that there's any value in trying to save the system that we have just because of how really bad it is.
01:36:26.840um and you know like you said you know it's like your house but what if you know could the cost of
01:36:34.480you know rebuilding that house uh is you know two or three times more uh than just building a new
01:36:40.920house well because that's how that's how bad it is that's how bad the house is i think there's a
01:36:47.500misunderstanding here i don't think greg is saying save the system he's saying reclaim it and repair
01:36:51.800which is different save it implies we're not going to change much but what greg is saying is
01:36:56.900reclaim it and repair it like basically change the whole thing without burning it down first
01:37:01.360isn't there a way to do that uh greg am i wrong on that no you're not wrong on that and at this
01:37:07.280point it's about like no offense kevin but i i feel like you represent the sort of sovereign
01:37:14.300citizen uh rabbit hole that people go down where it's like well i just reject all of the systems
01:37:19.920And I just rejected like everything that's going on and people just need to realize that it's all corrupt and then do nothing, I guess.
01:37:27.560And then educate people about the central bank and like, hey, you got to know about the central bank.
01:37:32.980And it's like if you look at realistically, in reality, what is destroying this country or affecting it most negatively, it's mass immigration.
01:40:26.940That sounds like going backwards in time.
01:40:29.020Yeah. But if you take a look at, you know, I'm not too sure if you if you've lived in the United States or not, but, you know, I've lived in, you know, in Florida and, you know, an armed society is is a polite society.
01:40:40.500And, you know, people have a government.
01:40:43.720Yeah, people are, you know, you know, and in the Carolinas and, you know, people are not going to come in and cause an issue.
01:40:52.260They don't know if you're, you know, concealed carrying.
01:40:55.200They don't know if you're going to pull out a weapon and shoot them.
01:41:00.040So, you know, we don't have that in Canada, right?
01:41:03.300We don't, you know, people have, don't have the fear of the repercussion of the people.
01:41:08.160You know, that I believe is a primary issue that even the PPC doesn't touch base on.
01:41:14.260you know the ppc is nowhere near as far to the to to the right as it should be on self-defense
01:41:20.260on castle law on standard ground laws you know pepper spray what like what what is that you know
01:41:25.300i don't want pepper spray i want i want you know a colt 45 you know i want a clock i want a sig
01:41:32.140to protect myself i don't want pepper spray i'm confused though kevin you're talking about all
01:41:37.780of these laws that you would like to have in canada but you say it's like authoritarian
01:41:41.800for like a government to enforce these laws don't you so like how i don't understand that
01:41:49.780and the other thing i want to ask is like let's say you have your property and you're going on
01:41:53.840vacation or something and you hire security to protect your property right you hire security
01:42:02.140to protect your property is that a fair thing to do but to use your money to use your money for
01:42:08.320the point i'm getting at is we pay taxes to the government to enforce the law and in some cases
01:42:16.860it is the security of the country so you would you would allow paying security to protect your
01:42:24.860property but you don't think it's fair to pay taxes for the government to deport people to
01:42:29.660protect their property so you know when i was in the when i was in the u.s um there were you know
01:42:35.920several communities that i went through uh gated communities that had their own security you know
01:42:42.160so you know you would live in these gated communities you would pay a security fee
01:42:46.500and you would have armed guards uh to protect that that that property um because the effectiveness
01:42:53.340of the state was was very low and you know very similar to where i am now right so you agree with
01:42:59.720the model but you just don't think the governments are capable of of doing that and that so we
01:43:04.800shouldn't even try to do it well they've shown uh through they've shown that they're not very
01:43:09.800capable but you're showing but you're showing at this micro model that it works once again why
01:43:15.340can't we just try to uh and that's the whole the institutions that we have and that's the whole
01:43:21.960premise of trying to get away from this you know big you know centralized power the centralized
01:43:27.980yeah but dude you're you are you are like you are getting excited about the power that this
01:43:33.760local community has over their land and you're like that's awesome but then when you apply it
01:43:39.720to a like a large government or a large group of land of the country you're like oh no that's bad
01:43:44.260that's authoritarian what so you know my my my local community isn't you know i'm not going to
01:43:52.060go and you know you know try to like take over annex my my neighbor and if i do try to annex
01:43:57.980my neighbor i'm going to have to deal with the consequences of their their actions right um
01:44:03.320again i guess the whole uh purpose or the whole um you know thought behind it is big centralized
01:44:09.280authorities are bad and the more local you can get the the more you can shrink that down to a
01:44:15.760community level uh to a local level uh the more effective uh and that is going to be of whether
01:44:24.740you agree to pay taxes for a you know a governing body to do it or there are no taxes and you pay
01:44:30.840uh you know some sort of private security to to do it for you um the question is who would be
01:44:37.860most effective uh you know at delivering such services and you know governments really aren't
01:44:46.740effective at delivering services uh you know that's that's that's quite clear well any business
01:44:54.160could also be ineffective at delivering services and the larger the larger the larger it becomes
01:44:59.540the more ineffective all businesses all businesses can run into this problem even small ones but a
01:45:04.700question for you now kev do you have wife children i want to i do not okay and the reason why i ask
01:45:12.100that question is because in your world yeah you can go ahead and shoot the guy who's coming after
01:45:16.520you but if they take you out and your wife and children are not able to defend themselves the
01:45:21.040way you are because you're gone now uh who would you want to be there now you don't have any but
01:45:25.720when i'm thinking about your world and if someone takes me out well i would want my my community i
01:45:31.180would want another another group to take care of my family but i guess the question is why would
01:45:36.500somebody want to come in and take what you have i don't have to rationalize the criminal in the
01:45:42.320future that's trying to take from me i can just tell you that they're coming okay um and if they
01:45:46.840do come and they take me out what about the rest of my family like you don't have a family so you're
01:45:50.980not so worried about that but uh so a lot of us who do have that nuclear family that would be
01:45:56.120concerned i wouldn't be able to protect them if i'm gone and that's just one example of why
01:46:02.120communities exist and that's why neighbors take care of neighbors because widows and children
01:46:06.060can't step up and take care of it the way you're describing
01:46:09.680greg you don't have children yet but do you or i'm not sure if you do or not but
01:46:14.580would you concur with that like if you have children you kind of look at this a little
01:46:18.640bit differently because there's a there's another generation you have to protect that's
01:46:21.720outlive you. I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. We belong to a family. After a family,
01:46:29.160we belong to a community. After a community, we belong to perhaps a nation. And that has been
01:46:35.300started to been dissolved by, for lack of a better term, or to simplify, globalism. And they want to
01:46:43.360dissolve the borders. They want to, you know, erase this sort of connection that we have to
01:46:48.900our actual family that's why they go after men and women and masculinity and femininity and that's
01:46:53.900why they're going after religion specifically christianity especially in canada and there's
01:46:58.680an atomization of people you're just a hard worker that's exactly what pierre polyette is saying
01:47:03.740which is supposed to be so different from uh dustin trudeau saying a canadian is a canadian
01:47:08.560is a canadian you know it's they're pushing the same atomization of canadians and it's antithetical
01:47:14.780to community it's antithetical to even a family in some cases and it's certainly antithetical to
01:47:20.120a nation and that's why it's very concerning kevin when you're like i i don't think there should be
01:47:25.640borders and it's like okay so you don't think that we should belong to any nation um that's
01:47:32.320i i think that we are just so because of the reign of trudeau and even years and years of
01:47:37.740propaganda before that decades of propaganda before that that's pretty well globalist and
01:47:42.320post-nationalness in nature i think we've lost track of this idea that a nation can be a large
01:47:47.800cohesive family that's on the same page about things it may not seem that way largely for
01:47:54.180demographic change multiculturalism and mass immigration that's been a huge part of it but
01:48:00.700we are so far removed from that that we just kind of see the government as a forever evil forever
01:48:07.500bad when in reality again you can talk about this anarchist system that's going to work
01:48:13.300it's the same theory that the governments are just because the government has been corrupted
01:48:20.480and there's bad personnel in various places doesn't mean that we can't you re-usurp the power
01:48:26.560and glorify you know re-establish um you know canadian excellence in our institutions uh and
01:48:34.960sorry again like i know we have to wrap it up soon you you don't really have a solution i asked
01:48:42.040you point blank would you rather reclaim the institutions we have and actually get them
01:48:45.720serving the people or start over somehow and you said start over somehow and it's super unclear
01:48:52.040what that would look like and again this is why i kind of want to encourage people
01:48:57.640respectfully kevin but it's like i don't really understand the value you're providing people
01:49:02.820you're saying hey government bad government bad government bad okay then what and then you're not
01:49:09.560really giving a solution other than like yeah let's just throw it all out and you know maybe
01:49:13.960if you're into homesteading i could agree with that i think that's a worthwhile hobby if you
01:49:17.720want to advocate for that i wouldn't disagree with that but uh yeah i don't really understand
01:49:22.900the solution that you're providing people with with kind of like what you're focusing on
01:49:26.100sorry one last thing one last thing with with the sort of we need to dismantle the central bank
01:49:31.880i really don't think that's going to be something like i said politics is about getting a lot of
01:49:36.660people on board and moving in the same direction i don't think dismantling the central bank is going
01:49:41.240to be like the thing that people can get on board with when you already have 64 64 percent of the
01:49:47.240country supporting deportations which as i said earlier connects to so many different problems
01:49:52.360happening in canada right now i feel like that's a much easier thing that you could be using your
01:49:57.500platform to advocate for but then again you don't you don't even agree with nations and borders so
01:50:02.660like i don't even know where to begin with that yeah so um you know your your mention of you know
01:50:08.820globalism uh and erasing borders that's more on the you know anarcho-communist side you know
01:50:14.480erasing borders flooding nations um with with uh you know mass immigration and you know providing
01:50:21.260funding that's open borders and a welfare state you know i'm i'm diabolically opposed uh to those
01:50:26.920two things you can't have open borders and and a welfare state uh it's the quickest you know
01:50:31.780you said that you don't want a state to enforce a border earlier you said that you don't even want
01:50:36.100a state to even enforce the border or to keep people out because you because that's a too
01:50:41.120authoritarian for you or something yeah well my my whole um you know point of view is you know
01:50:47.120people would only come um that would you know actually come to provide economic value because
01:50:53.660there would be no handouts there would be uh there would be would be none of that who's going
01:50:59.600to determine that other than the federal government of who's going to come and not come
01:51:03.620this is why you need a federal government to do this the individual yeah quick question are all
01:51:10.420nations anarchist at this time or just canada because i think that's going to change this uh
01:51:15.740dynamic yeah yeah well right now it will you know going to our complete anarchist global
01:51:23.600economy again it's it's never going to happen and you know i think the thing here is i'm more
01:51:29.940arguing from you know an ideological point of view uh and you know greg is more arguing from
01:51:35.080you know a practical point of view um and those those are the the the two issues here uh but you
01:51:43.700know the i guess at the end of the day it's you know statism versus anarchism um you know and
01:51:52.500And, you know, this idea of the state and this worshipping of the state, whatever party it is, you know, I think that is, you know, people need to stop worshipping, you know, the state.
01:52:11.020Like Greg was saying, he wasn't sure what value you add.
01:52:13.180And I'm just going to put it out there, Greg, that the value Kevin adds is exposing this and being the critic and being the one that brings some attention to it.
01:52:21.780like when he exposes carney a year and a half ago and starts giving us concerns and say hey look
01:52:26.520we're in a cycle and these guys have selected this and we're to be in a rough shape and it's
01:52:30.240going to get tough we need that we need that and we don't necessarily need somebody to bring
01:52:34.020solutions with it although that would be a great package you highlight the problem and the solution
01:52:39.040and you're not one of those guys that create the problem and they're bringing the solution
01:52:42.140marxist but you highlight the problem bringing the solution that would be a great package but
01:52:46.000not everybody's wired that way so maybe there is some value to kevin highlighting these problems
01:52:50.440but maybe not having a solution it's just it's just the way that you know my my brain works and
01:52:56.000you know i i'm good at you know pointing out the problems uh identifying the trend i think i came
01:53:03.340on to your show um you know it was over two years ago you know we start talking about mark carney
01:53:08.460and i have text messages going back to like 2019 saying that this guy is going to be the next prime
01:53:13.460minister um you know and everybody was you know you know downplaying me saying it would never
01:53:18.040happened and oh he's the next ignatiev and yada yada yada and you know fast forward to today and
01:53:24.020he's he's going to be prime minister in like what two three weeks you know march 8th whatever it is
01:53:30.280um so you know and so yeah um i'm i'm good at identifying you know trends and patterns and
01:53:40.620you know even back in 2019 i was talking about um you know some sort of economic event that was going
01:53:47.320to uh you know push forward you know this authoritarian grab um and there's going to be
01:53:53.740a massive transfer of wealth from the people to the upper echelon of society i didn't know that
01:53:58.840it was going to be like six months later from now and you know i didn't know that it was going to be
01:54:03.220a health emergency but you know i just i just you know saw aside on you know the charts that i
01:54:08.720watched and you know some of the indicators that i pay attention to uh and it happened to play out
01:54:14.980so you know i i'm good at you know maybe identifying problems uh but you know when it
01:54:21.700comes to you know maybe finding solutions that uh that's somebody else's job yeah so greg in
01:54:28.020software companies i've done a few myself you need all types of people you need the graphic designers
01:54:33.140they usually can't code at all so you also need the engineers and then you also need the testers
01:54:37.780and ideally the testers are not engineers or designers because you don't want them thinking
01:54:41.540that way you want them thinking outside of the box and really test things that they never thought
01:54:45.800of and that's how you find the bugs and you break the system and then improve it and make it better
01:54:49.640so we kind of need all three types designers engineers and testers kev's clearly a tester
01:54:55.080i don't think he's an engineer or a designer interesting perspective i want to go back to
01:55:00.040the statism versus anarchy thing because i think you bring up a good point and i think that there
01:55:06.880is the worshiping of the state is i don't think that's really happening much much not now right
01:55:13.140wing yeah no not not anymore not even on the left like very few are worshiping yeah yeah and i think
01:55:21.500the problem is though is that we're throwing the baby out with the bath water we're doing this
01:55:25.900thing where we're saying no no we don't need the state at all the whole government sucks these
01:55:30.620institutions have never been good i mean people don't say it that way but that's kind of the
01:55:34.560implication they've never been good they've never been useful let's just throw them all out and i
01:55:40.020think that's totally misguided and it actually is sort of a weird sort of it's an anti-elitism
01:55:47.720that's actually not good for us i was saying earlier the solution is that we need basically
01:55:53.040our own elites we need elites who actually think like us who are going to try to take our
01:55:56.640institutions and major corporations or people who are in major corporations who have power who have
01:56:02.580influence who think like us we need them to be in power positions and i think that when we reject
01:56:08.860statism so much we're sort of it conjures this image of uh what was that guy oliver anthony
01:56:16.260he was like um we're working all day he's hell of my soul and he's got another song like ain't
01:56:22.160got a dollar and it's like yeah like that's the working class man and and sure those people are
01:56:26.440get being totally shafted right now but people like oliver anthony and this this idea of like
01:56:32.880a local community saving the nation that's not realistic we already have skyscrapers we already
01:56:38.940have these sophisticated systems of power and control in the government we're we don't need
01:56:44.300oliver anthony to show up with this banjo to save the day no we need people in suits we need
01:56:49.260professional organizations who are very intelligent who have been to university who can
01:56:53.380get into these systems and steer them in the right direction it's going to take a long time
01:56:59.580but this idea that the state just sucks this the state has been infiltrated by traitors or
01:57:06.660corrupt people that doesn't mean again back to my example of the house just because it's got a
01:57:11.180leaky roof and the plumbing doesn't work doesn't mean we should give up houses or even give up on
01:57:15.180the house itself it means we need a plumber it needs to be we need to get a roofer best damn
01:57:20.100roofer by the way shouts out to mr bigger but uh yeah you know we it's going to take time to repair
01:57:25.700this yeah but what if the house is on fire it's literally burning to the ground it's not a leaking
01:57:32.000house anymore it's a different problem you address it differently we only have another minute here
01:57:36.180you know just just just a quick yeah just yeah just a quick you know thing you know you one of
01:57:42.120the major things you know you talked about you know building this network of um you know
01:57:46.300entrepreneurs and whatnot uh and i talked a lot about education right you know i that is where i
01:57:52.180feel is the um an important aspect um you know so i think that we have to um target you know public
01:58:00.000education you know the primary objective of public education is to ideologically subvert
01:58:05.660the youth um so i think that we need to get government out of the classroom um and i think
01:58:12.740we can all at least agree on that and you know if we can start stop you know the government from
01:58:19.620you know inflicting its playbook on the youth uh and start remoralizing them with you know
01:58:25.900traditional values uh you know right winning right leaning views um and more of a you know
01:58:32.220to remoralize them uh then you can start talking about maybe you know 10 15 or 20 years from now
01:58:37.940um where that can that that would really you know start to gain traction but you know i think that
01:58:43.800again uh you know you want to go after the entrepreneurs uh you know i want to focus on
01:58:50.000the education aspect and stop the ideological subversion of the youth sorry real quick though
01:58:56.740kevin but how would you do that how do you just influence the educational system the answer is
01:59:02.680create an organization the answer is have some sort of professional organization website whatever
01:59:07.600the group is maybe it's part of an entrepreneur maybe it's part of a business where people can
01:59:12.120actually fund you to create propaganda videos or educational videos to create something to have
01:59:17.660that impact and this is my whole point we can talk about good ideas and good kind of fronts of where
01:59:22.600we can push our ideas in different parts of the existing system but in we need to have professional
01:59:28.720organizations and people willing to you know show up and do the professional white color work
01:59:33.440so that's my next question the last question to you kevin are you going to put on a tie
01:59:37.500and get to work and get into the system