Greg Wycliffe - Frances Widdowson🔴 3 DAYS til C-9 takes affect🔴Kamloops Residential School

00:00:00.000 I take my time, control my mind in time

00:00:04.540 I can't even trust my own eyes

00:00:07.880 Watching you

00:00:09.780 You're so friendly, you know what to do

00:00:14.540 You got the nicest hair, and I see you there

00:00:19.840 And I can tell that you care

00:00:22.020 You know everything

00:00:25.020 And you make me feel safe

00:00:29.500 You know what it is, you know what it is

00:00:33.920 You know everything

00:00:35.880 Can they lie, persuade, confused

00:00:38.900 Can't think about it

00:00:40.580 I could die tonight

00:00:42.420 Bright lights will hide

00:00:44.000 Take my time, control my mind

00:00:47.380 In time I can't even trust my own eyes

00:00:51.260 Studies said the experts claim

00:00:53.100 The world will never be the same

00:00:54.820 The research shows the study proves

00:00:56.680 Trust the experts

00:00:58.360 This is false, it's misunderstood, it's been about, this isn't good

00:01:01.920 It's getting worse, it's getting worse, it's getting worse

00:01:04.640 It's all your fault

00:01:06.680 And then they lie, persuade, confused, can't think about it

00:01:13.280 I could die tonight, bright lights will hide it

00:01:16.860 Take my time, control my mind

00:01:20.080 In time I can't even trust my own eyes

00:01:24.100 And I know that you care

00:01:29.120 But tell me why

00:01:32.800 Why am I so scared?

00:01:38.000 And let me lie, persuade, confused

00:01:40.680 Can't think about it, I could die

00:01:43.560 Tonight bright lights will hide and escape

00:01:46.360 My time, destroy my mind in time

00:01:49.860 I can't even trust my own eyes

00:01:53.100 Dare any Canadian talk about residential schools in the wrong way.

00:02:00.920 Nay, if you say the wrong thing about residential schools, you could get your reputation ruined.

00:02:05.860 You could lose your job. 0.65

00:02:08.100 You could maybe get thrown in jail with Bill C-9.

00:02:10.880 Bill C-9 comes into effect in just a few days, by the way.

00:02:13.660 Because Bill C-9 is coming into effect, the Combating Hate Act,

00:02:16.920 I thought, what better than speak to one of the most outspoken people

00:02:21.040 when it comes to the residential schools, the Kamloops Graves hoax.

00:02:25.860 And that, of course, I don't know if she likes the word hoax,

00:02:28.180 but that, of course, is Frances Whittowson, 0.93

00:02:30.520 who also has turmoil that came from her at Mount Royal University.

00:02:39.480 And it had to do with satirical tweets.

00:02:42.120 All of this, of course, is a big free speech concerning Canada.

00:02:46.260 Frances has been documenting the decline of free speech on Canadian campuses.

00:02:50.840 at universities and i myself has been documenting the decline of free speech just across canada

00:02:56.440 but anyway because of bill c9 coming into effect just in a few days i thought what better than to

00:03:02.000 get on the show than francis widdowson herself francis how are you doing this evening i'm doing

00:03:09.100 great good good so um i mean just before we went live here you were saying i got lawsuits greg

00:03:17.080 guy you know she was like chain smoking cigarettes no she wasn't but you know there's a lot on your

00:03:22.360 mind i'm sure um i don't know i don't even know if c9 is really on the top of your mind what is

00:03:27.480 on your mind right now in terms of all the the chaos kind of going on and in your your dissident

00:03:33.000 life well uh the street epistemology so this is a big thing now because we got peter bogosian

00:03:40.520 and mia hughes coming to calgary uh in august to uh go into mount royal mount royal university

00:03:49.960 uh august 24th to 26th we're going to go in and we're going to talk about what mount royal has

00:03:55.080 done and how they uh are you know not upholding the academic values that they should be and so

00:04:02.120 on we're going to talk about uh trans rights on the progress pride crosswalk and we're going to

00:04:09.400 to talk about indigenous science not being science in front of the sacred buffalo robe

00:04:15.980 in the hall of one of the near the recreation center and not well sacred buffalo robe what

00:04:23.700 what is this i don't i don't know my uh my running water running river i don't know my

00:04:28.680 indigenous knowing i'm not very good at the indigenous ways of knowing what is this buffalo

00:04:33.040 robe you speak of yeah so the there's a buffalo robe that got you know this goes through some

00:04:39.220 elaborate thing there was paint that was blessed to paint the buffalo robe there's the spider web

00:04:46.980 the famous mount royal spider web which was developed by

00:04:53.340 bear chief who is a honorary mascot at mount royal and he got this creation story from his brother

00:05:04.500 about a spider the creator wrapping the globe in a spider web which is the latitude and longitude

00:05:11.860 lines on the globe and when you feel a vibration on the spider web it's a signal to the creator

00:05:20.180 to come and help whatever's happening with the vibrations but of course this whole

00:05:25.900 analogy is not very uh uh you know palatable because if you think about a spider and a fly

00:05:33.800 and on the spider web, the spider is not coming to help the fly.

00:05:38.580 The spider is coming to devour the fly.

00:05:41.840 So I don't quite understand about these vibrations.

00:05:44.440 Anyway, this is a big thing at Mount Royal where they put white paint on the,

00:05:49.900 I believe Mocha Resigan came and did a bit of a coverage of that

00:05:54.720 at the confluence which Mount Royal was putting on.

00:05:56.920 But they put white marks of a spider web on a field,

00:05:59.800 get a bunch of students to put on orange shirts and dance around on this on these lines sure

00:06:07.340 so so so if i'm a university student let's even just say i'm a canadian bystander watching this

00:06:15.260 um why is this important how is this going to help me get a job how is this going to help me

00:06:20.860 contribute to society knowing it knowing about this uh the spider web in this in this buffalo

00:06:25.200 low robe what's the sort of is there a do they have an explanation for why this is like

00:06:29.060 helping people get jobs helping university students know more well my own this is my own

00:06:37.040 take on it it will help you submit so bend over and don't complain right right it'll help you be

00:06:48.360 more virtuous by knowing so it's like the equivalent of caring about racism wanting to

00:06:53.900 be anti-racist so you listen to you know you're exactly you read white fragility you listen to

00:07:00.020 the uh to these podcasts about how horrible it is to be white and to feel bad about yourself

00:07:05.540 so when your employer when your employer asks you to put on an orange shirt or put on a progress

00:07:10.800 pride shirt or put on a black lives matter shirt or whatever you just do it and you do whatever

00:07:16.920 people tell you to do and you'll be fine like and then you waste their time with some diatribe

00:07:23.180 about spiders and and uh that type of thing um and so could you go over that again so like let's

00:07:31.820 do it in layman's terms you're doing an event at the university of lethbridge with mia hughes

00:07:37.660 talking about trans stuff mount royal university oh sorry mount royal oh so so and what's going on

00:07:46.040 with uh with your mount royal case uh for those who don't know um essentially the inception of

00:07:54.260 uh francis getting fired or temporarily suspended what was the actual verbiage there

00:08:00.000 uh yeah so i was i couldn't be reinstated so i my oh unviable my employment relationship was

00:08:08.080 unviable because uh gabrielle weasel had who's a very prized indigenization asset felt unsafe

00:08:15.640 about me uh being there and uh so in order for her to be at mount royal i can't be there and 0.99

00:08:21.480 that's basically the story of the whole thing but gabrielle weasel was trying to get me fired so

00:08:26.860 and i was satirizing her attempts to get me fired and this resulted in me being charged with

00:08:33.000 harassment because uh gabrielle weasel had referred to herself as being loving and kind

00:08:38.940 and just being trying to bring people together with humility and grace yeah so whenever i referred

00:08:44.640 to gabrielle weaselhead i would say the the loving and kind gabrielle weaselhead who is just trying

00:08:49.300 to bring bring people together with humility and grace uh all the while you know trying to get me

00:08:54.380 fired which i i you know like that might be loving and kind like i yeah you can sort of see it that

00:08:59.920 way i guess in some in some ways anyway this was not appreciated by the general power structure

00:09:07.420 at Mount Royal. And so that's kind of what led to it. And then now I've gone through like many

00:09:15.460 years of abuse. Like it's been a very abusive process, but I've just fought it out and I've

00:09:21.240 not given them one inch. I haven't given them a thousandths of an inch. And finally the Alberta

00:09:28.180 Labor Relations Board came down and said, you know, it appears that Frances Widows, the reasons

00:09:34.480 why francis widowson is not being reinstated is because of her ideas which are protected by

00:09:39.360 academic freedom and therefore that can't that can't happen if that's the case and so we have

00:09:44.840 to make sure that francis widowson's lack of reinstatement is not because of her ideas

00:09:49.220 you have to make sure that that's the case okay so now mount royal having many millions of dollars

00:09:56.240 as a public funding at its disposal is going to try to run out the clock by dragging us through

00:10:02.960 the courts for the next five years is what's gonna happen this is so silly though because if they're

00:10:07.800 taking you going through this long arduous process to begin with and the premise of you know firing

00:10:15.580 you or not letting you come back to work it's like they have a certain premise and then the

00:10:19.460 alberta labor board is saying well that's not a good premise and now what mount royal gets another

00:10:23.940 run at the can another kick at the can of like well actually we found a whole bunch of other

00:10:27.700 reasons of why she can't come back like like why do they get a second shot at this i don't

00:10:33.260 understand like like because uh it's legal so this is what you'll notice if you go through the courts

00:10:38.880 it's it's not really about the uh the substance of the arguments it's about the procedures that

00:10:47.880 have happened and uh the argument is is that the the arbitrator's decision was unreasonable says

00:10:55.080 the labor board because he didn't provide the reasons and mount royal is challenging the

00:11:01.360 decision of the labor board saying that the arbitrator was unreasonable by saying that the

00:11:07.300 labor board doesn't really have the right to say that the arbitrator was unreasonable and asking

00:11:12.140 the court of appeal to take it through the appeal so that would be two years going through the court

00:11:16.440 of appeal on that track and it wants to do that and you know and i say you know bring it on let's

00:11:24.000 get these let's get this down on paper hey i love your attitude francis because right now you're a

00:11:30.240 mitch the punishment which is you don't necessarily get fired for having the wrong opinion but you get

00:11:36.460 sent to purgatory you get sent to these year-long legal you know going through all these tribunals

00:11:44.160 going through all these hearings just this purgatory of uh i mean it must be painful and

00:11:51.100 frustrating to have to listen to all these people yammer on about something which which really should

00:11:57.280 be able to be solved in like a five five minute conversation with uh with weasel head like hey

00:12:04.080 hey i don't actually uh hate you that much i just have different opinions uh want me to buy you a

00:12:08.480 coffee she she hates me she seriously hates me i mean hates a strong word hates a strong word

00:12:16.040 francis i know well it's some people can hate and other people can't like like some people are

00:12:21.560 allowed to hate other people are not allowed to hate um but the the thing is that mount royal

00:12:26.160 has been able has has been forced to write its reasons down and so we know why mount royal thinks

00:12:34.780 that i shouldn't be reinstated and one of the reasons is that i say that i will fight to the end

00:12:41.440 to make mount royal an academic institution once more that's a reason that they've given

00:12:48.620 as to why i can't be reinstated that's i mean there you have it folks they like like literally

00:12:56.160 being someone who is an advocate for freedom in the university institutions this is a reason

00:13:01.040 she's a problem and it's that's more or less explicitly written in black and white yeah so

00:13:06.580 like they said that they said this that's what they said so they wouldn't if they hadn't been

00:13:11.700 in court they wouldn't have had to say that right hey so cheers to making the the tyrants look like

00:13:18.500 tyrants clink exactly it's documenting the destruction of our institutions for future

00:13:24.740 generations that's what you got to do and that's what i'm gonna do so like we'll see what they do

00:13:31.380 and maybe i'm gonna win and maybe i won't but there's gonna be a lot and this is metaphorical

00:13:36.580 not literal sure there's going to be a lot of blood on the floor before this one is done

00:13:42.240 a lot of blood on the floor you might want to clarify that uh you might want to metaphorical

00:13:48.820 metaphorical blood okay good um good thanks thank you for clarifying that geez um no but uh

00:13:58.660 but when you mean like more blood on the floor you do mean just more whatever litigation like

00:14:05.280 It's going to be more things exposed, more things exposed.

00:14:08.980 Okay.

00:14:09.940 But in a painful, in a very psychologically painful way for Mount Royal University.

00:14:16.280 Embarrassing.

00:14:17.500 Very embarrassing for them because they are completely embarrassing.

00:14:22.280 Like they have, you know, it's just, it's shocking what they're doing and they have no sense of what they, what an actual university is about.

00:14:32.500 hence the buffalo robe and uh and the the the the spider web enactment this is infantilizing

00:14:42.700 for students to get them to do this that's what it is what are you doing just stop it

00:14:49.700 stop it now it's gonna be uh nula moon snail says oral tradition should not be considered 0.97

00:14:58.700 quality evidence whatsoever and indigenous ways of knowing is bullshit and knowledge keepers are 0.96

00:15:04.260 just glorified tribal cult leaders yep would you say that's a good kind of summary of the 0.96

00:15:10.720 indigenous industry in canada and the kind of the big sort of uh gaping problems with it

00:15:16.460 well i would probably have a little bit more of a mediated like oral history you know we have

00:15:24.680 people who put forward um things which could be true orally but you can't determine whether

00:15:32.660 they're true unless you uh verify what's been said with evidence so so it's just like a very

00:15:39.580 tentative kind of thing um but the problem is is that it's being used as a declaration that this

00:15:48.160 is truth and it must be believed that that's kind of the problem and sort of seeing it as a highly

00:15:53.200 unreliable source it's not it's not a reliable form of evidence it might be true but it's kind

00:16:02.980 of a very tentative uh kind of uh hypothesis about it so there is a highly sophisticated

00:16:09.920 psychological term to define this type of human behavior it's called broken telephone

00:16:15.920 where you keep telling and repeating the same thing and then all of a sudden it gets completely

00:16:20.380 distorted um and you can only imagine like it'd be interesting to see if you could track the

00:16:25.740 broken telephone of oral tradition of different indigenous groups pre and then post the you know

00:16:32.260 residential schools kind of like hype right well the best the best example of this is the cam loops

00:16:37.740 215 deception which was uh until 2021 when sarah bollier ran her gpr machine over the apple orchard

00:16:46.440 And there was only one verified eyewitness about the burials.

00:16:52.980 And that guy was Billy Coombs.

00:16:54.960 And that guy was associated with Kevin Annette, who is this, you know, defrocked United Church minister who has these highly improbable tales that he's been telling for the last 30 years.

00:17:08.500 So there really wasn't anything there until 2021.

00:17:13.340 And that's when people heard about this.

00:17:15.460 And then all of a sudden, all the memories got reinterpreted to be, you know, all sorts of burials and graves and and children going missing and all this kind of stuff that never existed before.

00:17:30.300 I do want to hop back to something you said earlier, because, you know, I'm really getting hyped up to finally launch the final cut of my documentary this fall.

00:17:41.640 i'm going to be gearing it towards the the speech law or the online censorship law but i'm also

00:17:48.680 thinking like man like what's how do we how do we flip how do we turn the tables on these people

00:17:52.820 and i want to go back to um the inception of you being let go or banned or whatever you want to

00:18:00.000 call it from mount royal university which is the whole reason you can't go back to school to work

00:18:08.060 is because someone is panicking because because because because uh because weasel head is like

00:18:15.220 ah my my nervous system cannot be exposed to the essence to the spirit the evil hateful spirit of

00:18:22.520 francis widdowson i must be protected against her or else my head's gonna explode or else i'm going 0.58

00:18:29.260 to she's going to like just faint and like fall into a coma because of your hateful essence emanating 0.99

00:18:34.440 off you like like this is so foolish but in your case and in so many other people's cases it comes 0.96

00:18:41.780 down to people who are embellishing or really being like my feelings are my feelings are a 0.97

00:18:48.940 tidal wave when i'm around this person and it's like this is like so we have to cater to these

00:18:55.600 to these people who should be have a therapist or something you know have you thought about this

00:19:00.240 whole phenomenon how absurd it is how do you summarize it yeah well it's it's to some extent

00:19:06.520 it's wound up with the totalitarian identity politics also known as wokeism that is

00:19:13.760 permeating our institutions also the wider concept which is equity diversity and inclusion

00:19:20.520 so you want to increase the numbers of indigenous scholars who are professors of number of indigenous

00:19:28.080 students those people uh number like the people who identify as like this kind of group not not

00:19:35.340 all aboriginal people of the people who are activists become very very upset when they

00:19:42.340 they have their views being challenged and this makes them leave the university

00:19:47.880 because they feel unsafe so that means that your numbers of aboriginal scholar activists will

00:19:55.160 decline if you allow these things to be said.

00:20:00.500 So you've got to stop those things from being said so that you can increase the numbers

00:20:04.160 of the Aboriginal activists.

00:20:05.940 That's kind of what's called inclusion, to increase the numbers. 1.00

00:20:10.080 And then in order to be inclusive, what's called inclusive, you have to exclude those

00:20:14.920 people who are upsetting to the preferred group that you want to increase the numbers

00:20:19.840 of.

00:20:20.840 The whole thing is oriented towards making these various protected groups feel as comfortable and welcome as possible.

00:20:30.520 And that involves preventing people from criticizing them, which, of course, is not going to work in an actual academic institution.

00:20:41.300 But that is what is the priority now at most universities in Canada.

00:20:46.920 that's a great summary but is that not sort of your theory or like how you've pieced it together

00:20:55.160 because back to your whole you know charges of having to leave the university she didn't say

00:20:59.740 oh well i want more indigenous people here it's it's i feel unsafe with her around because we

00:21:05.700 know her kind of goal is what you said which is like we want more indigenous activists here so 1.00

00:21:09.740 i'm gonna like play up my emotions so uh so widdowson gets banned because screw her well

00:21:16.100 There's a great video that I produced with Daniel Page,

00:21:20.940 who's a videographer from Manitoba,

00:21:23.460 called Mount Royal University Murders Academic Freedom.

00:21:28.920 And it's about a particular episode at Mount Royal where I was,

00:21:35.040 Gabrielle Weaselhead, the aforementioned Gabrielle Weaselhead,

00:21:38.120 had filed a harassment complaint against me because I had said that

00:21:41.280 Indigenous science was not science, which she said was racist and discriminatory. 0.94

00:21:46.100 And I hadn't actually said that, although I believe it. 0.96

00:21:49.960 I hadn't said it, but I believe it.

00:21:52.400 But she interpreted it that way because she can read my mind.

00:21:57.480 And she left Mount Royal and a bunch of other Indigenous scholars left.

00:22:03.780 And we had this meeting where a bunch of professors were saying that Indigenous scholars were leaving Mount Royal because they felt unsafe.

00:22:16.100 And how are we going to make them feel safe at Mount Royal?

00:22:21.040 So I put my hand up in this meeting.

00:22:24.640 It was March 5th, 2021.

00:22:27.640 And I said, does saying that Indigenous science is not science, does that make Indigenous scholars feel unsafe?

00:22:36.140 Is that one of the things that is going on here?

00:22:38.860 Well, all hell broke loose.

00:22:42.300 Just asking that question.

00:22:43.860 asking the question point blank i mean shouldn't he should like based on what they've said the

00:22:51.540 answer is well yes that's what makes us feel unsafe yeah that's what happened was this was

00:22:59.640 an outrage that i had brought this up in this meeting they didn't have to listen to this kind

00:23:07.520 of stuff being said here how dare i say this this was the kind of thing and i'm going this is a

00:23:15.220 perfectly on point matter because i know that gabrielle weasel had laughed because i had said

00:23:21.800 that indigenous science was not so or she felt that i said that indigenous science was not science

00:23:26.760 you may even you may have inferred it at some point point in your work so you said hey are you

00:23:30.920 unsafe because because because i think on indigenous indigenous science isn't science

00:23:36.520 and then so this question you asked this question and this is what triggered this hysterical reaction

00:23:45.060 again heads exploded heads exploding was is that i was playing like i asked a perfectly legitimate

00:23:53.380 question. I was attacked, harassed. Someone say harassed? I got a little bit pissed about being

00:24:03.020 harassed because I was dealing with like 10 people attacking me. And I was told, it was said

00:24:09.580 in the arbitration, the reason why I can't be reinstated is because I disrupted this meeting

00:24:14.620 so much that they had to disable this they had to disable the chat function at previous at that

00:24:22.080 next at the meeting the meetings the meetings that preceded this this hold on hold on you asked this

00:24:27.660 in a chat box no uh okay i should probably just so this is all on mount royal university murders

00:24:35.560 academic freedom the whole story is there but what happened is when i asked whether indigenous

00:24:41.120 science is not science, whether that would be something that would make the Aboriginal feel

00:24:45.240 unsafe, this Aboriginal scholar, whose name was Leonzo Breno, said this was really insulting

00:24:53.400 for someone to say that Indigenous science is not science. It was completely laughable.

00:24:59.720 Indigenous science is obviously the case. It has contributed to all these things all over the 1.00

00:25:04.720 And so I'm sitting there listening to this question.

00:25:09.940 And so in the chat, which everyone had been using for all sorts of purposes, all meeting,

00:25:15.720 it wasn't like I was the only one using the chat for inappropriate purposes.

00:25:20.600 I put two words, laughable, question mark, insulting, question mark.

00:25:27.580 That's what I put in the chat.

00:25:28.660 this is a uh picture of a native science textbook native science natural laws of

00:25:38.500 interdependence by gregory kajit kahate sorry kahate uh forward by leroy little bear is that

00:25:46.840 the same little bear that's the same little bear isn't it i've heard that name before

00:25:50.680 wow small town a small indigenous industry is kind of small i guess

00:25:57.020 university of lethbridge leroy little brain as i prefer to call him leroy little brain

00:26:06.220 whoa whoa oh my god shots fired come on francis no i mean you got to be this has got to be

00:26:15.340 frustrating dealing with all this i don't know how you have the patience for it although i

00:26:18.540 guess you do have a nice funny as a as a comedian you must appreciate the humor

00:26:23.580 yeah no you have to i would i would not be here a long time ago if i didn't have a sense of humor

00:26:31.200 with all this it's it's uh absurd um if you don't have a sense of humor that's a complaint

00:26:38.600 so just for people's background so the reason why weasel had got so upset and got her knickers in a

00:26:46.080 twist about everything that happened is because there was this event at the university of calgary

00:26:52.280 by the aforementioned Gregory Cajete,

00:26:55.520 who gave this talk about Indigenous star knowledge.

00:27:00.480 And I was there, and Gabrielle Wieselad was there.

00:27:03.120 And I asked Gregory Cajete that I didn't quite understand

00:27:07.500 what he thought should happen with this star knowledge.

00:27:10.900 Should it be in the astronomy classes,

00:27:13.500 or should it be in the anthropology class?

00:27:16.780 Like, should it be part of astronomy,

00:27:17.920 or should it be part of anthropology,

00:27:19.820 about how aboriginal people understand the stars and he was fine with it he didn't get upset or

00:27:26.440 anything but gabrielle weaselhead's listening to this going racism that is that is racist

00:27:32.500 and she filed this harassment complaining about me based upon this question 0.63

00:27:37.380 she she hates you asking questions francis she hates your question i am relentless

00:27:44.300 and i ask questions with ill intent can i mean i don't want to i don't want to be too much of 0.53

00:27:51.120 a bully right now but like can you believe her name is weaselhead how crazy is that yep well

00:27:56.620 it was lindstrom it was originally lindstrom and then she changed it to her maiden name which is 0.91

00:28:00.420 weaselhead so it's more indigenous yeah well she she was kind of obviously trying to integrate for

00:28:07.160 a while and now she's just gone back to full on hey i'm yank i might go to my indigenous name it's

00:28:13.120 a horse cut you know what never mind um so uh you have this video people can go watch it if they'd

00:28:22.680 like um indigenous science is not science this is an excerpt from mount royal university murders

00:28:28.880 academic freedom yes and i guess this is a clip but it kind of goes over this whole uh

00:28:34.060 yeah yeah no that's a harassment complaint and all the gag gregory gahete thing but the the

00:28:41.520 Mount Royal Murders Academic Freedom, I think it's an hour and a half,

00:28:46.400 and it goes through the entire saga of Mount Royal acting in bad faith

00:28:51.920 and trying to set me up and to use this, which was obviously not my fault.

00:29:00.260 And the problem was they kept on using it over and over and over again,

00:29:03.920 even though I kept on telling them, look here, you do not understand what's happened here.

00:29:10.180 Here's what happened.

00:29:11.520 And they would totally disregard it and just bring it through again.

00:29:15.700 So, like, I've been through this.

00:29:17.700 This was all presented at the arbitration.

00:29:20.840 And any normal arbitrator would have just thrown all of this out and said, obviously, Mount Royal is acting in bad faith.

00:29:29.700 But this imperious and inept arbitrator, David Philip Jones, just didn't listen to any of this.

00:29:37.660 It was like this went completely over his head. 0.89

00:29:40.000 And he just went, OK, bring down.

00:29:42.100 No, Francis can't be reinstated because, you know, Gabrielle Weaselad's upset and Renee Watchman, who's not even there anymore, is upset.

00:29:49.900 So I know a lot of your story.

00:29:53.460 I try to keep up to date with all the different stories, the different dissidents and people getting persecuted for having the wrong opinion.

00:30:01.200 But was this connected to the whole satirical tweets as well?

00:30:06.300 Like, was this part of the same case?

00:30:08.100 Yes.

00:30:08.340 and and this this uh indigenous science not being real science uh like was that was that the the tip

00:30:16.000 of the spear of this whole investigation or um hearing it was it was one of the reasons why i

00:30:23.500 couldn't be reinstated so there was two like in my firing there was two parts one was why i should

00:30:29.300 be disciplined which was the satirical tweets and then there was why i my employment relationship

00:30:36.020 was unviable which was 12 reasons one of them was this meeting on march 5th 2021 where i disrupted

00:30:45.080 things so much that i couldn't be reinstated because i was this menace at meetings who

00:30:51.440 you know caused this chaos that everyone couldn't deal with

00:30:55.100 oh unbelievable all these questions asking all these questions i i find it so funny throughout

00:31:04.260 this because i try to remind people this when i'm talking about francis widowson is your expertise

00:31:10.820 you know you've worked in a government position on indigenous issues and you've been studying

00:31:17.300 uh different addition different issues for what could you say decades 30 years 30 years yep yep

00:31:26.100 and and like like what what what uh what study specifically if you could like go over it

00:31:30.580 yeah so the indigenous science aspect so that was my initial foray with albert howard of the

00:31:38.480 northwest territories was critiquing the aboriginal traditional knowledge policy of the northwest

00:31:44.220 territories in 1996 that's what kind of started it all off was we were saying that uh traditional

00:31:52.380 knowledge uh a lot of it wasn't knowledge it was the spiritual beliefs of aboriginal people

00:31:59.260 that were being used to justify any kind of activity.

00:32:03.100 And this caused a big, huge uproar in the north of the territories.

00:32:06.020 And so that's kind of an understanding of kind of the absurdities of aboriginal policy. 1.00

00:32:12.820 And I went to the university system because that's where you tell the truth, 1.00

00:32:18.760 is in the universities.

00:32:22.100 And I was able to do it for 20 years.

00:32:24.980 I was able to tell the truth for 20 years.

00:32:26.680 And then in 2020, you know, that was it

00:32:30.300 It was over, you know, that kind of thing

00:32:32.040 But, you know, it's not over until it's over, you know

00:32:34.660 And I'm continuously kind of saying that this is not acceptable

00:32:39.600 For the universities to not be

00:32:42.400 For you not to be able to say what you believe to be true at the universities

00:32:45.740 You should be able to do that 1.00

00:32:47.380 And, you know, indigenous science is not science 1.00

00:32:50.700 There are only two sexes

00:32:55.820 yeah like uh the residential schools were not genocidal like this is what we're talking about

00:33:05.100 august 24th to 26th at mount royal university we're going to be doing spectrum street epistemology

00:33:10.160 and looking at these claims that you're not allowed to say at mount royal university because

00:33:14.380 this causes people to be so upset that they got to hide in this that's what i was told

00:33:20.160 that people were hiding in the stairwells so that they wouldn't so they do so they wouldn't

00:33:28.400 have to pass me in the hallways because it was so traumatizing yeah you're walking by

00:33:35.020 francis widdowson and she's like is that a mustard stain on your shirt oh she asked me

00:33:41.120 if it was a mustard stain oh my god hey what's the weather like out today oh she asked me the

00:33:48.280 weather uh uh that's crazy that's that's uh man yeah it's like nuts but you know i i've learned

00:33:57.500 i'm older and wiser and i've learned that my relentless questions asked with ill intent are

00:34:04.320 not appreciated and therefore you know i will not i'm not gonna do that in the in the oral form i

00:34:11.220 will i will pose my questions in writing from now on so as not to traumatize the you know

00:34:18.220 the, uh, the, the, uh, pressed minorities who cannot, uh, you know,

00:34:22.640 handle having their ideas question. 0.93

00:34:25.160 You know what, this, this could be, uh,

00:34:29.040 this could be a really shitty thing to do or like a really kind of like

00:34:32.780 smart ass thing to do if you're in one of these environments or situations 0.73

00:34:35.920 again. Okay. Trigger warning. I'm about to ask you a tough question.

00:34:39.800 Are you ready? I'm just going to give you a trigger.

00:34:42.360 I'm just going to give you little guys a little trigger warning before I ask

00:34:45.400 you a question. Okay. You want a lollipop too?

00:34:48.220 Okay. Everybody calm down. I'm going to ask a tough question. I know you guys don't really

00:34:52.560 like the tough questions. So does anybody need to do it? Do they need a security blanket? Do

00:34:58.120 they need a breathing exercise? Harassment right away. Harassment complete right away. 1.00

00:35:03.920 That's going to get you into the investigations. That'll do it. That'll do it. You'll get into

00:35:10.180 investigation right away yeah boy and this is what you can't can't ask an innocent question

00:35:16.260 can't be mocking can't be playful can't joke i don't know if i've told you this but every time

00:35:22.500 that i like follow you know the best example is probably evan belgord of the canadian anti-hate

00:35:27.460 network uh but we also recently i was streaming about it i think you were watching some of the

00:35:31.340 stream there was like this indigenous activist in orillia and like i saw the video clip of her

00:35:36.600 talking the seriousness this the dead seriousness these people like if they have a sense of humor

00:35:46.060 it all falls apart like if they have a sense of humor if they have have a lightness of spirit of

00:35:50.780 like you know being able to handle a hypothetical being able to handle a question being able to

00:35:54.980 handle an opinion that they don't like like this whole ruse would fall apart it all hinges

00:36:01.260 on this seriousness that everything is deathly deadly serious of well and then they had they

00:36:09.100 had this opinion and they were over there near the statue in our city and it's like what's what's the

00:36:15.300 danger here like i'm i'm worried about people breaking into my home in toronto you're worried

00:36:19.820 about someone with a different opinion at the park what what's going on here yeah yeah that was

00:36:25.280 that was amazing well what was it that you know and also too this kind of exaggeration on things

00:36:30.200 like spitting like someone who's gonna spit on people you know this kind of thing when when and

00:36:35.880 when no when there's no uh like like nothing's happened like that this is just imagination this

00:36:41.320 is in the imagination well well not for you are you good yeah uh not for you haven't haven't have

00:36:49.640 you been spit on yet you had like pop poured on you or something i know uh um yeah that's good

00:36:55.960 yep oh um yeah so uh tony holt's wife in lethbridge was spit on um this woman at

00:37:07.080 the university of winnipeg was spit on so you know like there's been people who've had that happen

00:37:15.720 to them and also it's uh does this happen i haven't been spit on myself like as far as i

00:37:23.640 know like i probably happened so like it's hilarious because at you at ubc um stuart parker

00:37:30.760 who's a friend of mine who was there at ubc which was just like wild that was completely wild a

00:37:37.000 thousand people trotting at the mouth um i was protected by five strong men who were like a line

00:37:45.320 like a a football line who were holding back the mob that were trying to you know rip me to shreds

00:37:51.320 and uh uh yeah so uh that that steward was saying you were being punched people are punching you

00:38:00.920 and i was going oh no they were i don't think so like i don't remember being punched

00:38:06.680 but so he saw people punching me but i had i had no idea that i was being punched so i don't know

00:38:11.280 i have no idea yeah well and it's just the irony right it's like they're they're freaking out oh

00:38:17.720 my god they're gonna spit in our face or like what what happens if we you know what are they

00:38:22.760 gonna do to us like we are literally unsafe and then it's like talking about unsafe be francis

00:38:28.120 widdowson asking a question on university campus you're gonna get mobbed you're gonna get mobbed 0.98

00:38:34.100 by like indigenous gangsters uh by the way you know like who's who's at risk here it's it's um 0.67

00:38:42.440 And again, with Bill C9 coming down the pipe, it's like, hopefully it's not that bad, but it's like people like us who dare to make a comment that might offend an identifiable group.

00:38:53.940 We are the ones that have to be worried we're not going to catch criminal charges for voicing our opinion.

00:38:59.700 You know, we're we are the people who are in danger here in terms of, you know, consequences that are life altering consequences.

00:39:06.480 Meanwhile, these people are freaking out in a prison of delusions in their home, thinking that someone with the wrong opinion is going to come spit on them or something.

00:39:19.720 I do want to thank a super chatter here.

00:39:23.580 11th Hour Penny Worker sends in $20 and he says, show us the bones.

00:39:30.900 So thank you very much for the $20.

00:39:32.600 dollars but um back to what i was just saying which is uh you know this this phenomena of of

00:39:39.580 we are unsafe we are unsafe it's unsafe it's unsafe again do you think it's like they're just

00:39:45.640 saying that so they can kind of continue to push their agenda of dei and yada yada yada and like

00:39:51.240 we don't like these people because they have the wrong opinion and we're going to like weaponize

00:39:54.200 our emotions or do you think for some people this is like these people are genuinely uh they've been

00:39:59.940 psychologically terrorized by propaganda to like have a sort of like nervous system reaction where

00:40:05.560 they actually do think they're unsafe it's hard to tell uh they're rewarded for their behavior

00:40:12.660 doing this so they're encouraged to do it whether they believe it themselves is a very difficult

00:40:19.220 thing to determine so that's the problem is that i have no idea where whether all these people who

00:40:26.340 are saying these things actually but you can see how people get really worked up like i i've seen

00:40:33.880 people get themselves into a really worked up state and i'm kind of interacting with them going

00:40:39.380 calm down like yeah do you need some water uh like yeah just like whoa you know like like that

00:40:47.780 like let's just you know take a minute here and and is that really true like calm down like like

00:40:53.140 and they're just they're getting into this frenzy and and and they seem to believe it like that's

00:40:58.980 my impression that they believe it now maybe they're just really good actors like there's an

00:41:05.000 interesting uh footage from there's this woman i'm not sure if you've heard of her you probably

00:41:10.180 have because it became a little bit famous her name is charlene bellew and she is a chief from

00:41:17.280 british columbia and she's a major player in the aboriginal industry and uh uh simon hergod who's

00:41:25.920 a cinematographer on the documentary that we're doing and myself uh we were at thompson rivers

00:41:31.920 and we've been following charlene bellew's kind of career because she was a the liaison for the

00:41:38.640 rcmp in the 1990s and we're in thompson rivers and she comes up to me

00:41:45.120 and wants to talk to me like and we we we had never met her but we she just appeared and so

00:41:51.400 we're like this is charlene bellew and we're talking to her and she she's like telling me

00:41:56.720 i wish we could take you to the kamlu senior residential school and put you in the basement

00:42:02.500 and beat you and do this kind of thing and then another and then another episode uh at ubc she 0.97

00:42:08.780 was saying that she wished that i would be raped in the basement of the kamlu senior residential 0.87

00:42:13.880 school and this like is like oh everyone's like and she she was her essential point was is that 0.92

00:42:20.860 if i had that happened to me i would understand what is going on with the aboriginal people this 0.79

00:42:26.580 kind of thing but it's kind of outrageous the way she was saying it but she's complete grifter like

00:42:32.540 she's a grifter she like you see her in some kind of episode where she's a very sophisticated person

00:42:38.320 relatively speaking and she's pretending to be some distraught person at this trc hearing in

00:42:46.160 2013 where she's she's doing this kind of thing it's totally like it's like that is acting

00:42:55.680 like that's not that's not actual reality here so she she's you know she's not believing what

00:43:02.000 he's doing a lot of the time here so that's a that's just a case i've seen ted godfrey's in

00:43:08.880 juniors another one at camus in the residential school i sort of had this thing that he was this

00:43:13.760 really innocent guy who butter wouldn't melt in his mouth you know he's like and he's always doing

00:43:20.080 these kind of just gestures of bingo he doesn't know what's happening and then you get him off

00:43:26.880 camera and he's 0.97

00:43:28.480 complete prick 0.98

00:43:30.340 an absolute prick screaming at 0.97

00:43:32.800 these people telling him he's going to 1.00

00:43:34.780 get someone to come and beat them up and doing it

00:43:36.700 like this like

00:43:37.600 yeah like it's I've got

00:43:40.440 I posted it myself

00:43:42.640 saying because I was taken

00:43:44.820 in by him that

00:43:46.600 you know he seemed like this really innocent guy but

00:43:48.700 it's not the case

00:43:50.520 so there's a little bit of acting

00:43:52.600 going on in a lot of these contexts 1.00

00:43:54.540 it's hard to know yeah there she is

00:43:56.560 yep oh yeah that's her yeah let's watch this clip

00:44:00.080 i don't want to apologize for being emotional because we've been at this for 30 years

00:44:06.840 we've been asking to be heard for 30 years

00:44:09.840 we don't have a voice we can start breathing again we can start living again

00:44:18.360 to make sure that we do everything we can to make sure that

00:44:24.220 you know she pronounces she pronounced everything very well for for being mid-cry but uh you know

00:44:30.240 it's uh she was the liaison for the rcmp investigation in the 1990s she's not just

00:44:37.560 someone off the street who's an innocent person who knows nothing right she's a she's a high level

00:44:43.480 person is there negotiating things for the afn here's what i want to know is there an indigenous

00:44:49.820 like cultural term for these indigenous people who are used as tools by the establishment

00:44:57.440 because the i'm sorry but like i think based on an outsider's opinion maybe i'm just speculating

00:45:02.900 but it's like i feel like certain indigenous people are used as props by you know establishment

00:45:08.720 politicians the white man you could say to push their agendas or to help you know whatever

00:45:14.620 finesse whatever sort of message or policy they're trying to push uh of the day like do

00:45:20.540 indigenous cultures have like do they shame these people at all or like they're or that

00:45:25.240 they're not sophisticated enough to be picking up on this uh well the more sophisticated ones

00:45:30.200 know it like so uh albert howard my my husband had a friend uh donnie tababaton who was an artist

00:45:36.540 and he used to refer to it as a professional indian

00:45:40.060 that was his term he used that so he said i'm not a professional indian i i do i i operate in the

00:45:48.980 world you know according to my art i don't i'm not manipulated i don't do all this sort of thing

00:45:53.440 so that was his attitude um you know i call the mascots myself that's not their term but that's

00:46:01.080 my term like that's what roy bear chief is is kind of a mascot um uh and then you have more

00:46:07.420 political terms quizlings that's a quizlings never heard this term before

00:46:16.480 quizling is a term used to refer to leaders who sell out their people and

00:46:25.540 that's not an aboriginal term it's just a term used for you know corrupt like

00:46:30.040 you've got a press group who's got a leadership that's trying to defend them

00:46:34.240 and they're a pawn of the establishment.

00:46:38.260 Quisling.

00:46:39.260 Turncoat.

00:46:41.040 Quisling is an eponym, meaning a traitor or collaborator

00:46:44.060 who aids in occupying enemy force.

00:46:47.320 Hmm.

00:46:48.700 Interesting.

00:46:49.900 Yes.

00:46:52.400 We got a super chat from Federer59 for $10 saying,

00:46:57.660 you're both heroes.

00:46:59.080 Thank you very much, sir.

00:47:00.320 Thank you for the super chat.

00:47:01.560 If you want to support this stream,

00:47:03.320 then you can send in a super chat you can also help support the upcoming documentary to push

00:47:07.860 back against the next speech law at give send go.com slash save free speech um let's talk a

00:47:14.940 little bit about bill c9 have you been following um c9 are you worried about c9 passing i'll bring

00:47:22.740 up the bill here in a sec and i'll make an argument as to why you may be a criminal already

00:47:29.120 Francis I am a criminal a thought criminal lock me up lock me up I dare you lock me up

00:47:36.260 let's do it let's do it happy to serve I'm happy to serve happy to serve the time yeah and uh I

00:47:44.520 mean it's it's it's one of those crazy things where like it's similar to what's happened to

00:47:50.700 you at Mount Royal University hey she asked a question that may be uncomfortable hey also she

00:47:58.540 uh you know she told jokes and satire she mocked me on twitter like you know just throwing different

00:48:03.340 stuff at the wall to try and get you in trouble and i worry it's going to be the same thing with 0.95

00:48:07.340 c9 where it's like let's see we can we can throw at the wall to get people we don't like in trouble 0.63

00:48:12.260 because of our political agenda and then again even if the even if the charges don't stick

00:48:17.620 it's going to send people like us into this like legal purgatory where we have our hands tied and

00:48:23.240 where you have to be, you know,

00:48:24.700 wasting our life away on the phone with lawyers.

00:48:29.560 But it's not wasting,

00:48:31.020 people have to embrace this role now.

00:48:34.620 You can't, you cannot divert away,

00:48:38.000 you cannot go away.

00:48:39.580 You face it head on.

00:48:41.520 You take it and you expose it

00:48:43.380 as much as you possibly can.

00:48:45.540 That's what has to happen.

00:48:47.580 Like, we need courage.

00:48:49.000 We need people to stand up.

00:48:50.600 and uh it it sheds a lot of light on what is going on so i i i am not afraid of this residential 0.94

00:48:58.220 whatever c9 whatever bring it on i don't care i'll fight it out you know we'll we'll fight it 0.84

00:49:06.320 out we we don't we're we're not being disappeared in the middle of the night like that's what people

00:49:11.400 have to understand when that starts to happen now we're really serious but we're not serious yet

00:49:16.400 We're still in a kind of formation period and, you know, we now have to fight now and we have to fight hard against this.

00:49:24.240 And people are too comfortable.

00:49:26.040 They think, you know, they get up in the morning, they look outside, the birds are singing, the sun is shining, nothing's really bothering them very much.

00:49:34.220 And now they got to worry about whether they're going to put their job on their line for something.

00:49:39.400 That's not going to, they're not going to get really active.

00:49:42.340 but we want it we don't want things to get to the point where we're being disappeared in the middle

00:49:47.140 of the night and if we don't stop what's going on we will be disappeared in the middle of the night

00:49:52.180 that's going to happen and uh yeah and uh love your attitude love that attitude guys oh sevens oh seven

00:50:05.940 yeah don't don't back away like if you get hit hit back twice as hard

00:50:12.340 i feel like i'm in high school listening to my football coach right now let's freaking go 0.98

00:50:16.840 let's freaking go go team fucking man yes that reminds me of a pep talk from my football coach 0.98

00:50:24.500 that's crazy like it's the worst to back away the worst thing the worst thing you can do like 0.99

00:50:30.080 and i've seen people do it and their life is their life is over like they they they really

00:50:36.120 psychologically will never recover from that because they they could have you know what is

00:50:40.900 it is a it's a failure of nerve it's a fail it's a failure it's a personal failure they didn't they

00:50:45.860 didn't they didn't face it on they didn't face it at all i just thought of the perfect analogy for

00:50:49.560 this uh the conservative party of canada they're not leaning and they're not driving into the

00:50:55.820 pocket with the ball they're not like running as hard as they can and they're still getting called

00:51:00.840 all the names they're still like like you know getting all the negative consequences as if they

00:51:06.560 were running into the pocket but they're not they're they're flinching they're holding back

00:51:10.600 so now they're just getting clobbered they're not gaining any ground they're not gaining any

00:51:14.040 respect it's just a bloodbath and uh and most importantly though they're not helping us they're

00:51:20.120 not helping yourself um i've ranted about this on my show many times but like why why is why are you

00:51:28.000 taking the slings and arrows you you're not even you don't even identify as a right-wing conservative

00:51:33.020 person but you are like yeah yeah and you're like do people believe the truth is important

00:51:40.780 like that's the question is the truth important if you think the truth is important well then we

00:51:46.100 can talk if you don't think the truth is important well like it's it's it's meaningless like the

00:51:51.940 whole conversation is meaningless so you know this is what i'm i'm sort of finding and and i'm not a

00:51:56.520 politician or i'm not a i'm i'm an academic i'm a i'm i'm philosophical in my outlook but

00:52:03.180 you know i i don't want to lead a double life where i say one thing privately and you know

00:52:10.460 like i understand some things uh you know this is my my personal matters but like on matters of

00:52:16.920 public concern i i don't self i don't self-sense like i yeah then this is this is your work

00:52:24.000 yeah so like and then i never felt there was a problem until you know 10 years ago like when

00:52:31.540 you started to feel things could really not go well here like things are not going to go in a

00:52:36.780 good direction um and and also it just i guess in the in my whole life i never felt that i couldn't

00:52:45.340 say what i believe to be true and and that is now is there are serious pressures trying to stop that

00:52:52.060 from happening and uh it's going to be jailed it's going to be what's going to happen first

00:52:57.720 or well there's ostracism and you know no one who has any confidence worries about that

00:53:05.380 because the people who want to ostracize you are not worth the time of day anyway so

00:53:11.460 whatever you lose your job now that's a huge problem because now you you don't have

00:53:16.560 uh your livelihood but you know that doesn't mean things are over you know you find new things to do

00:53:23.420 you know it's like then i'm not sure if you know who denny rancor is um but he's uh yeah yeah yeah

00:53:29.540 no i've been meaning to interview him for some time he's a great guy he's a great guy so i met

00:53:33.060 him in 2016 and and uh i had like lots of things said negatively about him and in and to me like

00:53:40.200 he was a crazy guy and everything else and i met him and and he seemed to me to have a little bit

00:53:45.440 kind of bizarre ideas but i i didn't know enough about it so i was like well this guy's got a lot

00:53:50.000 of interesting cakes on everything and i remember because he was fired from from university of ottawa

00:53:55.480 in 2008 and he's still fighting his case oh my god 2008 that's going to be almost 20 years

00:54:07.540 in two years what what what was his offense what was his big he thought the grades were not

00:54:15.640 appropriate pedagogical instruments he's opposed to the grading system so uh this of course is uh

00:54:23.480 the life lifeblood of the credentialing system but the funniest thing about this is what to this day

00:54:29.320 is because the university of ottawa was so dirty it played so dirty it got a psychiatrist to write

00:54:37.080 a report about him a secret report that he was a dangerous person and the the psychiatrist never

00:54:44.000 interviewed denis and just wrote his report and denis found this out this psychiatrist's report

00:54:50.900 somehow through his various machinations and he's been pursuing this psychiatrist for unethical

00:54:57.900 kinds of actions for the last you know 15 years or whatever this continuing on but he was talking

00:55:04.060 to me and because i don't i don't have a lot of other skills besides being a professor like i i

00:55:10.160 can't you know do any plumbing or whatever whatever so i was saying to him you know but i

00:55:15.360 can't you know i can't be fired because i i can't do anything else like this is the only thing i can

00:55:21.200 do and he's going if this is the you can do you're a sad excuse for a human being you know like you 0.96

00:55:28.300 know like like like you like this is ridiculous you can do other things like you know this is

00:55:33.700 the thing is that just because you lose your livelihood of your doesn't mean you can't learn

00:55:38.720 new things and do something else it's not the end of the world you know like like you know being

00:55:46.680 disappeared in the middle of the night is the end of the world but like that's the problem is being

00:55:50.980 disappeared but until that happens it's all fair game you know just go after it just take take it

00:55:59.560 to whomever has taken it to you take it to them twice as hard

00:56:03.520 yeah you know it can seem very insurmountable it can seem very um uh demoralizing but we are against

00:56:14.480 government workers guys you know they really don't have their heart in it uh they they're

00:56:20.140 just kind of punching in punching out they don't really have their heart in it um yeah yeah so

00:56:25.900 and the emasculated the emasculated emasculated population the people who are trying to punch me

00:56:33.700 and i don't even notice that they're trying to punch me you know this is it's not very it's not

00:56:37.720 a very threatening situation here right right right um yeah and denny um that's really interesting

00:56:47.040 that they were using those dirty tactics way back then in the 2000s let's let's deploy a

00:56:54.840 psychologists to write a report to say he's crazy and then use that yeah yeah it's bad it's really

00:57:01.500 bad and i mean i'm i'm noticing a pattern here though having followed people from the trucker

00:57:06.580 convoy where it's like i'm seeing the future now like they're gonna just drag this out and drag

00:57:12.400 this out and drag this out and like the truth will never be like objectively defined until it's like

00:57:17.680 way down the road and everyone involved is already has a villa in france or whatever and they're like

00:57:23.020 way far away from any sort of accountability uh so you need direct action direct action

00:57:28.980 is the only way like i can and i noticed that with the universities so um you know for whatever

00:57:36.100 30 years i've been fighting the universities saying this not they're not i've been doing it

00:57:41.100 through academic channels writing papers doing this that you know and and it's all good like

00:57:47.480 in that it's all words on paper and everyone can see them but no one no one pays attention

00:57:52.180 you go into the university and you confront these mobs and all of a sudden it's like whoa you know

00:57:59.840 like this is now this is a something to pay attention to and that's what that's what happened

00:58:05.480 like that that was really the the game changing situation was going into the universities and not

00:58:12.140 allowing them to push you off campus going in attack you know like if they stop you if they

00:58:19.820 give you a trespass notice you go right you go in and you and you force them you force them to do

00:58:25.340 it and then you see what they do they do that then you go back again so i'm going back into

00:58:29.600 the university of victoria on uh uh september 28th and 29th yep gonna go back in there good

00:58:37.840 good they probably can't wait to have you they stayed my they stayed my trespass notice the 0.71

00:58:43.160 police uh the crown did so gay it's all fair game now they're gonna go in there university of 0.84

00:58:48.420 victoria you know nice let's kind of go and have some conversate some combos play a few games now 0.89

00:58:55.600 i don't i don't want to uh freak you out but i do want to go over this just in case just to for

00:59:01.800 everyone's to be aware of uh do you know the ins and outs of the intimidation charge that's uh been

00:59:08.120 tabled with bill c9 uh no i don't so we'll go over it real quickly here and again lawyers might say

00:59:17.660 they think they know how this is going to be used it's claimed that no no it's only going to be used

00:59:22.420 if like you're blocking a jew from entering a synagogue or blocking a muslim from entering a

00:59:26.640 mosque but if you actually look at how it's written it's a little bit more uh broad broad

00:59:33.100 than that so i'll quickly go over it here intimidation every person commits an offense

00:59:37.240 who engages in any conduct with the intent to provoke a state of fear in a person in order to

00:59:45.260 impede their access so the crazy part here is you know this is referring to a protest basically

00:59:51.280 um is a protest not meant to like intimidate people in some way or another or sort of like

00:59:56.820 disrupt so it's like to provoke a state of fear i feel like it's a very low bar especially if it's

01:00:03.080 like intent that's interesting to you the intent this question of intent like like like uh that

01:00:09.560 that's and that's my defamation case against the university of lethbridge faculty association

01:00:14.040 is that they said i intended to cause harm and i was motivated by hate that's why i went to the

01:00:23.480 university of lethbridge on february 4th so that's a very very difficult thing to prove intent right

01:00:29.880 right that's very interesting how it's the exact same language there's also a entirely different

01:00:35.340 charge called um offense motivated by hatred by basically any any criminal charge that you get

01:00:41.640 you can just stack this one on top of it and just add up to what is it uh up to like 10 years or

01:00:49.140 something like that but but people should not be afraid to go to jail you know that's that's the

01:00:54.320 thing is that no for sure don't pay any don't pay any attention to this uh do do what you think is

01:01:00.620 right and then do it and do it now do it now keep on doing it and then when it comes when it goes

01:01:06.380 to court then you argue that you are

01:01:08.240 a case about how

01:01:10.520 you know whatever it is that you're doing

01:01:12.220 is completely justifiable

01:01:13.880 and the fact that this is now being

01:01:16.260 criminalized is

01:01:17.980 you know one of the nails in the

01:01:20.340 coffin of a democratic society

01:01:22.080 so they're trying to intimidate

01:01:24.240 people with this legislation that's

01:01:26.320 obviously what they're trying to do they're trying to

01:01:28.300 get people to you know don't want

01:01:30.260 to go to you know whatever 1.00

01:01:31.620 a bunch of Muslims 0.99

01:01:33.520 put their butts up in the air and 1.00

01:01:36.260 occupy an entire you know like this is what they do which is completely uh imperialistic 1.00

01:01:45.140 you i don't want you occupying the streets doing this and i think islam is a 1.00

01:01:50.900 is a just a horrible religion that is very oppressive and so on and i'm i'm not gonna 1.00

01:01:55.540 i'm gonna put my sign up saying islam is cancer or whatever i want to say when they're doing that 0.99

01:02:04.260 sure that's gonna be that'll that'll get you that'll get you charged doing that kind of thing 1.00

01:02:10.500 because they're putting their butts up in the air in this this this all the street and everything 0.97

01:02:13.940 and you're putting up a a sign saying islam is cancer that's intimidating right yeah when islam 0.98

01:02:23.300 is cancer right so right uh that i mean that sounds like a banger sign to be honest that's

01:02:32.660 Well, the reason I mentioned this is there's a student at Mount Royal who wrote these words on, I think he wrote it with chalk on a wall or something, and he was thrown out of Mount Royal because of this.

01:02:46.740 And so I was asking the president, because for two years I actually got into a position of being on general faculties council because there was no one else who wanted to do it.

01:03:01.100 and uh i was able to you know punch above my weight in terms of the questions that were asked

01:03:06.400 in this venue and so i asked can we say islam is cancer at mount royal is that or is that it was

01:03:15.920 because he put it on like voted improperly or whatever another one of your questions another

01:03:20.700 one of your sneaky very poignant and relevant questions yes and this was great lack of safety

01:03:28.860 unsafe like an unsafe environment for a muslim uh faculty member who left mount royal 0.95

01:03:36.300 because you know these kinds of questions were being allowed at this university

01:03:44.620 like we need to know are you allowed to be come out with this a strident criticism of islam on

01:03:51.180 this campus is that allowed are we going to be pulled before some tribunal i love it i love it

01:03:59.340 i love it how you just cut through all the straight to the can we say this or not hey

01:04:05.260 is this what makes you feel unsafe that i said indigenous science is fake

01:04:09.740 like these direct ques they just can't handle it they just freak out these direct questions

01:04:14.940 that is not allowed there's a lot to be said though about like a properly crafted question

01:04:19.660 that really oh yeah right to the my favorite one my favorite one ever was uh gabrielle weaselhead 1.00

01:04:26.260 she enters into this again so gabrielle weaselhead in 2020 left mount royal she filed an harassment 1.00

01:04:33.400 complaint against me for various misdeeds uh satirizing her efforts to try to get me fired 1.00

01:04:39.280 and so on so she goes and then she leaves so i can't file a harassment complaint against her

01:04:45.580 because she's no longer there she's not an employee so in december 2021 so this is a year

01:04:51.940 later she's applying on a job at mount royal so i'm thinking how could she be applying at a job

01:05:01.020 for a job at mount royal when she's left because i make her feel unsafe

01:05:04.940 so i'm obviously like i'm out of there i'm going to be out of there pretty soon this is a message

01:05:14.140 that's going to be happening but anyway i was able to go to her uh her uh talk that she gave

01:05:22.300 for hiring for her hiring so i was there on zoom and we have to submit our questions in advance

01:05:30.620 to the dean that's what we're asking and gabrielle weasel is yakking on about indigenous epistemologies

01:05:40.380 and epistemology is how do we know where how we how do we know the things that we know so

01:05:45.260 on what basis can we say that we have knowledge so my question very carefully crafted

01:05:52.940 was how do indigenous epistemologies distinguish between true and false beliefs

01:06:03.500 yep and i'm guessing you know a lot about indigenous epistemologies and its shortcomings

01:06:13.780 so yeah uh did did she was she forced to answer this or did she say this question makes me feel

01:06:20.060 unsafe no she didn't know it was for me oh okay everyone guessed it was for me obviously

01:06:27.240 but she answered she didn't she didn't know it was from me everybody knew it was from me

01:06:34.600 as she probably knew it was from you she answered she i have i have it on tape i recorded the whole

01:06:39.420 thing and uh she said if i know it if if if i know it's true it's true

01:06:47.220 nice very good very good love that circular reasoning that's very good that's very good

01:06:56.040 um man i believe it's true it's true yeah that was her answer so you know like obviously cannot

01:07:03.500 stand in a university because people believe all sorts of things which are not true and so

01:07:09.940 like you have to have some way of distinguishing whether what you believe is actually true or not

01:07:14.560 anyway this was seen as being uh mary lee mulholland who's the chair of sociology and

01:07:19.660 anthropology uh took great umbrage to this question and this is one of the reasons why

01:07:25.360 can't be reinstated is because i ask these kinds of horrible questions at these interviews and so

01:07:31.600 on but it was like a perfectly crafted question trying to get to the nub of the whole problems

01:07:37.340 with indigenous you know ways of knowing and all this kind of stuff but yeah i i wish i wish there

01:07:42.880 were more real journalists in this country like you who would ask questions like this

01:07:47.620 exactly well take for example the afn i'm not sure if you're aware of this but today

01:07:53.620 i could not believe this the assembly of first nations had a

01:08:00.260 uh like a discussion of criminalizing residential school denialism

01:08:06.420 a discussion of criminalizing residential school denialism we love that yes and it was i mean it's

01:08:13.260 the most outrageous well there's been a like this is kind of up there on you know complete gas

01:08:19.920 translating and like come like i just don't i don't know how to say it did you did you tweet

01:08:25.960 about this yeah i have the i have the uh i have the youtube video that i posted uh which i believe 0.65

01:08:33.380 was woe daddy was they're all woe daddy all your videos are woe daddy oh okay here we go

01:08:39.760 found it and anyway uh uh good morning this is unbelievable this this this this video of all 0.85

01:08:48.720 these people talking about um like different just just like complete arrogance that they are

01:08:59.040 doing this and uh oh look at all the beads he's got look at all those beads anyway this you know

01:09:06.980 this is complete arrogance of these people who just we just think they can they can tell you

01:09:12.200 you have to accept what they say is true when it's obviously you know highly contested uh what's

01:09:19.240 going on um anyway this was amazing this i've never seen such like it's i'm sorry but it's

01:09:24.860 crazy to go to a podium with a microphone wearing that in your head and being like take me seriously

01:09:29.560 yeah well i get it it's part of the like identity or whatever but like that's crazy yeah it's made

01:09:35.440 up it's completely made up this is not it's not something that's anything that they've you know

01:09:39.860 It's not like the Catholic, you know, whatever, the robes.

01:09:44.560 This has been built up over the last, you know, 500 years or whatever.

01:09:48.200 This is all just invented within the last, you know, probably the last couple of years.

01:09:53.820 You know, I've decided to get a nice hat.

01:09:56.460 Anyway, it's just like an absolutely ridiculous thing that was going on today. 0.84

01:10:00.520 Complete totalitarianism. 0.94

01:10:02.520 It just is unbelievable what these people are doing.

01:10:05.120 And the reason why I brought this up is the media was there, and special call of shame goes to Olivia Stefanovich from the CBC, who knows better, softballing these absurd questions to these people when the questions are obvious, what needs to be asked, which is, you know,

01:10:31.380 What about asking whether the remains of 215 children have been found at Kamloops?

01:10:36.940 Is that denialism to ask that question?

01:10:40.380 What's your answer to that?

01:10:42.640 Like this kind of thing, which I've asked that question, you know,

01:10:46.340 10 times to all the various notable Sean Carleton's and Egon Sinclair's and so on.

01:10:52.340 You never get an answer to it.

01:10:54.440 So I guess it is denialism, like something which is an obvious deception.

01:10:58.700 um and then you know the excavations they they got uh 3.2 million dollars to do the excavations

01:11:04.960 they agreed to do it the 13 family heads decided yes this would be a good idea and now they haven't

01:11:10.300 done it so what changed between 2021 and and today like why is it why is the story different

01:11:18.380 nothing like that they hear it's like ridiculous softball questions 0.99

01:11:22.360 francis this woman's gonna send you to jail she's gonna bring it on you know you are now 0.75

01:11:30.580 sentenced to 25 indigenous years in jail which is it will be the best years of my life i'll be able

01:11:38.960 to catch up on all the reading that i've not been able to do for the last uh you know five years

01:11:43.560 with all the stuff i've been doing i like that doesn't bother me at all send me to jail whatever

01:11:49.460 you know but just like if you're gonna put a gun to my head then now we're now we can talk

01:11:53.460 but that's the only thing that's gonna do it love it love it love the attitude love the attitude

01:12:01.020 can you tell me what's this is this is this a symbol in the back what's the symbol in the back

01:12:05.340 here that's afn assembly of first nation oh okay okay okay i didn't know that was their their logo

01:12:10.620 there um yeah i mean absolutely the fact that they aren't asking questions about this i want

01:12:18.880 to touch on let's let's get toward wrapping this up i want to ask you about bill c9 i want to ask

01:12:26.040 you about uh samuel de champlain because we were doing some content with him from dominion society

01:12:31.080 i want to hear the goods and the bads of this guy because to be fair i'm still learning but then i

01:12:35.940 also want to kind of go back to something you said much earlier about your kind of whole journey here

01:12:39.620 but to first with with bill c9 when i find so funny about it well frustrating and scary but

01:12:45.200 kind of funny in a humiliating way towards the indigenous lobby in canada you know i kind of

01:12:50.720 have this theory of like c9 is all about um you know picking tribal favorites you know there's

01:12:56.920 three major religious groups in canada christians jews and muslims christians and muslims whoops 1.00

01:13:03.000 we're like hey we don't want this bill but jews uniquely in their lobby they're like no no we do

01:13:09.320 want bill c9 and you know the the legislators kind of gave all of these favors to one religious group 0.94

01:13:15.800 but kind of said fuck you to the other two and this is the same with other kind of different uh

01:13:20.300 i don't want to call them like little like pet issues but you know the indigenous people the 0.98

01:13:25.100 indigenous lobby showed up and said we want denialism on the books and that got rejected

01:13:29.420 but then there was also like a black senator who said i want to make showing an image of a noose 0.57

01:13:35.040 illegal i want to be displaying a noose and they're like okay yeah let's throw that in there

01:13:39.800 so it's like it's crazy how they're like it's just kind of like this competition to see who can get

01:13:44.780 their kind of pet issue into to be criminally illegal and i mean obviously it's a total farce

01:13:51.140 when it comes to our now justice system and criminal code but um i mean isn't that kind of

01:13:57.180 funny like you kind of have to chuckle a bit that they didn't get the w on that they weren't able

01:14:00.860 to slip in the residential school denialism in on this one yeah no that's that's that's i'm it's an 0.83

01:14:06.860 it's an interesting case as to why it failed um partially just because it's so ridiculous like

01:14:15.580 yeah like no one even knows what they're talking about and uh all sorts of people would be brought

01:14:21.420 in under that you know potentially under that umbrella many aboriginal people would be brought

01:14:27.820 in under that umbrella and so how do you what are you going to do there's a huge list of people

01:14:37.580 like really what what the definition of residential school denialism is which they are never forthright

01:14:43.740 about is denying that the residential schools were genocide that's what it is but they cloak it in

01:14:51.100 downplaying or

01:14:53.340 you know minimizing the harms

01:14:55.940 and so on and so forth

01:14:57.080 so because they won't be

01:15:00.020 honest about what it actually

01:15:01.860 is

01:15:02.600 there's a lot of kind of

01:15:05.280 nervousness about who's going to be

01:15:07.920 caught with this net

01:15:09.460 a little bit

01:15:10.500 but the fact

01:15:13.820 they continue to go on at it

01:15:15.940 like today was just

01:15:17.600 I could not believe that these 0.99

01:15:19.400 and they're so moronic like that's the thing that is just like they're you're yakking away with 1.00

01:15:26.260 this not like a couple of brain cells you know like they're sharing a brain cell here it's not 1.00

01:15:32.660 like high uh convincing arguments it's just a bunch of rambling stuff where they tell you how

01:15:39.200 hurt they are and how they've been oppressed and this and that there's no content at all to what

01:15:44.780 they're talking about and so the whole thing is is absurd and i i just think that they're not

01:15:53.020 getting traction on it doesn't seem they're getting traction on it and and and the more

01:15:57.600 they have to try the more it shows they're going to fail on this which is good but you know it's

01:16:03.220 just kind of a minor boutique issue in the in the wider kind of horrible landscape which is going on 0.96

01:16:10.660 And you mentioned the Jewish population, Judaism and this. 0.60

01:16:15.600 Let's get Holocaust denial out of the criminal code, because that is what they're using as a wedge to try to bring in the residential school denialism.

01:16:26.000 And why not? If you're going to have Holocaust denial, why not have residential school denial?

01:16:32.720 That's to be fair and equitable. 0.88

01:16:35.420 I heard Sean Carlton making this point, you know, a month ago.

01:16:39.040 So, you know, like having any historical event, like disputing it, being criminalized, is obviously going to lead to distortions in how we understand that historical event.

01:16:49.960 So why would we want to do that at all?

01:16:52.700 Like, why is that happening?

01:16:54.480 Why are all these other things in there, which are obviously not beneficial to a democratic society?

01:17:00.340 and you know for the angry young men who i know i know some of them um you you know have a lot of

01:17:08.160 hate in their heart um criminalizing their hate is not going to solve the problem that's going to

01:17:17.120 make things a lot worse to do that so knock it off with the criminalization of speech if you're

01:17:24.580 going to threaten someone if you're going to incite various criminal acts well okay fine

01:17:29.180 like that that's a well-known problem but everything else is is you know we can be we can

01:17:34.660 deal with it much more effectively through various forums to try to sort of say to people you know

01:17:41.820 why are you so angry like like why are you blaming this this situation like you're you've had these

01:17:48.000 terrible things that have happened to you but why are you blaming this group for these terrible

01:17:52.260 things that have happened or whatever kind of conversation needs to happen to make people

01:17:56.440 try to understand other people a little bit better and not be so angry and wanting to you know

01:18:02.740 whatever whatever there's in their heart i don't know but it just seems kind of frightening but

01:18:07.080 it's going to be worse they're going to make it a lot worse what they're doing yeah yeah i i think

01:18:11.520 the whole sort of premise of the law itself is is totally uh disingenuous and misguided in terms of

01:18:17.300 how human psychology works yeah uh you know resentment leads to more hatred picking favorites

01:18:24.640 leads you know and this is exactly what this bill is doing it's picking favorites

01:18:30.040 and it's encouraging people to not talk about stuff yeah more talk we need to talk more about

01:18:37.700 it why are people so resentful what what are the what is the what is the root of the resentment

01:18:44.060 that they have like like this is a good question well we'll never know so my mod says straight to

01:18:50.700 jail straight to jail and but it's so true because it's like um what happens when we can't use our

01:18:57.540 words this is what leads to the things that are actually not good like violence like something

01:19:02.900 worse uh and they're trying to shut people up they're trying to shut down the conversation 0.87

01:19:06.700 super disingenuous and at the same time like we're here to keep people safe bullshit no i was 0.99

01:19:12.380 i was gonna bring it up on screen here because uh the stupid legal jargon this is the this is 0.95

01:19:18.180 Majority in our criminal code willful 319 2.1. 0.78

01:19:21.860 Everyone who by communicating statements other than in private conversation willfully promotes anti-Semitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust.

01:19:33.540 And relating that to the residential school denial, I think we kind of answered our own question.

01:19:40.100 Why didn't they try to get in residential school denial?

01:19:43.220 and i think it's because it would have actually exposed how absurd this existing law already was

01:19:48.460 yeah that's already been on our criminal code which very like interestingly was slipped into

01:19:54.400 our criminal code like around the trucker convoy when like no one was paying attention to any of

01:19:59.300 that it was like slipped in through this like budget bill which is like one of those weird

01:20:03.380 things where um i don't know it's like who um who asked for this who like there was no campaigning

01:20:11.200 around this there was no messaging around this we were told to stay inside at the time wear a mask

01:20:15.120 or else blah blah blah but um let's move on uh we want to bring back a samuel de champlain statue

01:20:25.440 in aurelia uh we think his story is a great example of real reconciliation because he did

01:20:32.060 collaborate a lot with indigenous groups here when he uh when he got here in the 1600s do you

01:20:37.940 much about this uh historical figure samuel de champlain i i don't i don't but i i'm just

01:20:43.540 generally opposed to taking down statues so like i like i think it's important to understand

01:20:48.660 historical figures for their good things and their bad things and and and i don't know why

01:20:54.900 we want to take down like we want to i guess it's this kind of idea presentism where we

01:21:01.060 we want to judge historical figures according to the standards of today but i think it's a really

01:21:06.740 um sort of narrow-minded uh virtue signaling kind of nonsense that i don't i don't agree with at all

01:21:16.520 but i in terms of champlain i i don't think he was a particularly you know uh horrible person

01:21:24.300 who did terrible kinds of atrocities or anything like as far as i know i i don't i don't really

01:21:30.600 know very much about it to be honest so but it seems to me he he was one of the the least

01:21:35.240 kind of controversial figures it seemed to me compared to you know Duncan Campbell Scott or

01:21:42.020 um you know Sir Francis Bondhead or um you know whatever like some people who you know said things

01:21:49.420 which were you know although I can understand why they said them at the time they thought they were

01:21:55.360 true and they thought this was the right course of action they might have been misguided or whatever

01:22:00.220 But, you know, this is, I don't think Champlain was, first of all, it was very early on, so it was not administering a very, you know, kind of intrusive.

01:22:11.840 And as well, Quebec, French Canada was much more integrationist with the Aboriginal population.

01:22:21.040 They wanted to create a new society with Aboriginal people and French people.

01:22:26.180 Like it wasn't like the British kind of system where you were you were trying to, to some extent, make profits off these furs and you weren't you weren't trying to create a combined society.

01:22:38.360 So I think that it was a generally a forward-looking kind of approach, it seemed to me, but I haven't studied it in any detail.

01:22:48.920 I think the whole way in which it's being talked about is very, very, you know, sort of oriented towards making people think you're a great person by, you know, throwing statues into the water and this kind of stuff.

01:23:05.740 It's kind of a grandstanding kind of approach.

01:23:08.360 Mm hmm. Well, just to fact check you on that, we do know Samuel de Champlain was a bad person because he's of European descent. So fact check. He's a bad person. He's a white guy. He's a colonizer. Duh. No, but I did want to share just a little bit more details because I'm curious if you've heard of these different indigenous groups. 1.00

01:23:29.100 and it's kind of like an interesting because like when you know the facts the sort of complaints

01:23:33.940 about the statue start to become absurd which is uh in that area now more most recently the most

01:23:40.960 active indigenous group is called the chippewas of rama i think i'm pretty sure that's the name

01:23:46.800 of the indigenous group and they're saying that they have sanctity over the territory something

01:23:51.280 like this this is our territory we don't want the statue here that's kind of their argument

01:23:54.640 here's the thing though when way back in the 1600s when samuel de champlain first arrived

01:24:00.240 there was no chippewas of rama there it was a different group called the huron wendat

01:24:04.440 and like that's kind of like the tribe he was like you know ganged up with at the time and

01:24:09.260 they helped fight against the mohawks i think who were like you know yeah and then bray buff

01:24:13.440 john bray buff who was uh putting a you know pot and skinned alive and so on fight the iroquois

01:24:21.080 Like the Huron were exterminated by the Iroquois.

01:24:24.060 You know, like there's all these tribal warfares and everything that's going on.

01:24:27.720 You know, this is what history, like we're not, it's not like no one is an unblemished entity in this regard.

01:24:34.720 You know, history is what it is.

01:24:37.620 History happened.

01:24:38.820 And like, instead of trying to admonish historical figures for their apparent misdeeds,

01:24:47.220 it's like, well, this is why they acted the way they did.

01:24:51.080 Like, there's reasons why they acted the way they did.

01:24:54.220 And maybe they were bad reasons.

01:24:56.300 Maybe they were understandable reasons.

01:24:58.340 This kind of way of looking at it, which I think is a lot more insightful than bad, get rid of, we don't want, you know, that around here.

01:25:08.420 We're good people because we want to purge all these, you know, images.

01:25:13.160 Yeah, it's kind of, I find it really kind of annoying.

01:25:16.240 I find the whole thing to be annoying.

01:25:17.340 And then you have really, you know, kind of really sort of heartbreaking things where you have people like Egerton Ryerson, who was actually a friend of Aboriginal people and trying to bring education and so on. 0.96

01:25:29.560 And then he gets like, you know, his statue gets, he gets his head cut off of his statue, put on a pike or whatever.

01:25:37.720 It's just like, oh, this is not, if you want to, you know, choose an enemy, like Egerton Ryerson is not the guy that you should be talking about.

01:25:46.180 fact-checked egerton rierton again european descent um he was a bad person uh but uh yeah

01:25:54.520 i mean it's but it's it's the case with most of these statues i think which is like oh we

01:26:00.220 got to tear it down at some colonial white guy here's like one fact about him that isn't perfect

01:26:05.040 and it's like why are they doing that anyway i don't understand like like let's just here's this

01:26:10.080 guy these good points these bad points let's talk about it why do you have to remove the

01:26:16.100 that you i don't want to make it super uh racial francis but like this is kind of a theory that uh

01:26:24.420 that i feel is like really tracking really well that i that i've kind of like realized over the

01:26:28.820 past few months which is if it comes down all you know environmentalism indigenous issues the

01:26:34.980 economy all this different stuff if you boil it all down the far left and the far right it all

01:26:40.180 comes down to how do they feel about white people and this is the thing it's like you know like the 0.98

01:26:45.860 far left is always on the same page like let's tear the white statue down let's disempower you 0.71

01:26:50.800 know the you know white institutions and like white white white white it's like that's what 0.71

01:26:54.960 it's all about so it's like these people don't care about the facts of history they don't care 0.99

01:27:02.000 about the nuance it's like i hate that freaking white guy and we gotta get him out of here because 1.00

01:27:08.160 white people caused all the problems in the world and like that sounds stupid but i don't know the 1.00

01:27:13.460 more the more i try to learn what the left believes it's like it just seems like this kind of 1.00

01:27:18.580 childish identity politics it's identity politics uh i'm on the left myself i don't i don't i i

01:27:26.420 completely oppose i don't think it's helpful to look at it in terms of a white black like whatever

01:27:33.780 it's if you're going to look at things that are meaningful then look at you know class politics 0.61

01:27:38.820 which is you know economic matters but no one wants to talk about that because then this would

01:27:45.640 be a challenge for these too complicated yeah like let's just like you know have a bunch of

01:27:51.320 statues and and let's just do all this kind of performative stuff so that we can appear that

01:27:57.000 we're doing something when we're not actually solving any of the problems that are you know 1.00

01:28:01.040 quite complicated and difficult to figure out like you know how to deal with the remote aboriginal

01:28:06.660 communities where you know there's high rates of fetal alcohol syndrome sexual abuse violence 1.00

01:28:12.000 terrible housing terrible education you know like let's just have a statue that we uh we tear down

01:28:17.540 and say hey you know we're good people and we're we're we're fighting oppression when it has done

01:28:21.980 nothing to any of the marginalized people uh in the um you know in in in canada you know like

01:28:29.340 that's the kind of thing um i think i should probably uh uh we should probably uh just wrap

01:28:34.380 minutes because i gotta i gotta get okay i want to ask you one last question because we kind of

01:28:39.980 skipped over it and i find this very very profound actually and kind of just correct me if i'm wrong

01:28:46.380 your journey of coming to the university actually started or you're you're kind of like bone to pick

01:28:54.900 i guess with kind of like the truth around indigenous issues actually started when you

01:29:00.100 are working for the government and you started to like realize oh there's they believe in some

01:29:05.560 weird stuff and they're kind of slowly starting to push it so then that's when you decided to go

01:29:10.380 to university thinking this will be a safer place for me to actually like expose this stuff for being

01:29:16.320 bunk yes yep it happened in 1996 that's when albert howard and i wrote our piece uh traditional

01:29:25.500 knowledge threatens environmental assessment which is still as true today as it was then

01:29:31.180 and then i thought because i got punished by the government because i was you know disloyal to

01:29:36.020 their their stuff and i thought oh i should go to the university system and then they'll be

01:29:40.140 people will be very interested in what i have to say uh at the universe in the universities

01:29:43.940 because uh you know because they're open-minded you thought you're a point of view that is not

01:29:50.660 really been expressed and and uh they want to you know diverse viewpoints to consider and so on

01:29:57.780 and and you know people were not welcoming to me uh at the university but they they've tolerated me

01:30:05.260 so i was tolerated for you know from 1997 to uh 2020 so that was what uh 23 years i was tolerated

01:30:15.020 and and when you and when you left that government role you were saying like oh i wasn't like putting

01:30:20.300 up with their nonsense or whatever can like can you be more specific like what like did they kick

01:30:23.940 you out or were they ushering you out or kind of like yeah so i was suspended i sorry albert and i

01:30:29.060 published this article on policy options and in 1996 and when it and i did it as a private citizen

01:30:34.900 i didn't do it as a government employee but because uh you're supposed to be loyal to the

01:30:41.360 it's called the oath of loyalty you don't have freedom of speech if you work for the government

01:30:47.260 uh it looks like and so they suspended me and it was pretty obvious that i wasn't going to be able

01:30:52.940 to be rehired and at that i just sort of found throughout like the number of years i was there

01:30:58.700 that i didn't really have the personality that was suited to you know being a spin doctor for

01:31:04.060 the government so i thought i know some things now that i can tell people about in the university

01:31:11.020 system so i'll you know i'll go and do my phd and i will write about this and i will you know i will

01:31:17.820 you know become a kind of a critic of the whole thing and and and they kind of worked it worked

01:31:23.500 in a very flawed way and then you know 2020 came around and and you know it was over like the whole

01:31:29.740 thing collapsed uh and you know maybe it's we can get it back i'm hoping we can get it back but

01:31:37.340 Maybe it's completely lost.

01:31:39.040 I'm not sure, but I'm going to fight it.

01:31:41.000 I'm going to fight it to the end to see what can be done about it.

01:31:45.240 And it's not just Mount Royal.

01:31:46.520 It's the University of Lafretchesis, the worst university in Canada.

01:31:51.420 I just have never seen anything so completely unmoored from an academic institution in my life.

01:31:57.880 And, yeah, we've got three lawsuits against them.

01:32:03.680 Three court actions, one about 2023 and their cancellation of my talk, one about 2026 and their issuing of a trespass notice for me having a conversation in the cafeteria and then suing the Faculty Association for their defamatory comments that they posted on their website.

01:32:25.780 so it's just like bang bang bang like you people are just just they should be taken over they should

01:32:31.780 just be everyone who's in charge should just be you know should be removed from their positions

01:32:36.900 and they should just you know start over with the administration because it's just such a

01:32:40.820 completely unbelievably unhinged institution well francis thank you so much for being on the show

01:32:47.460 we i love your attitude by the way thank you so much this you know this idea of like leaning into

01:32:53.000 it pushing into it go go go like we can't be afraid really happy to hear that from you i think

01:32:58.780 it's what people need to hear it's what i need to hear so thank you so much for being on the show

01:33:03.300 make sure you subscribe to francis's youtube channel make sure you follow her on twitter

01:33:08.600 to stay up to date on all of the things with uh what remains cam loops and the mass grave

01:33:15.280 deception uh anything else you wanted to promote before you go uh yeah so peter bogosian is coming

01:33:21.540 to calgary uh august 24th to 26th we're going into mount royal university we're going to do a

01:33:28.720 fireside chat mia hughes is going to be there as well nice and uh it's going to be incredible it's

01:33:34.920 going to be it's going to be incredible that event awesome great i'm gonna keep streaming for a

01:33:40.140 little bit if you have to go but it was uh thank you so much for coming on okay fight now and fight

01:33:44.980 thanks francis talk to you later bye bye awesome there she goes the one and only francis widowson

01:33:55.180 um i want to just watch a little bit of the video that she was just paying attention to there and 0.96

01:34:00.640 then maybe we'll get into some other stuff i guess i've been going for almost like an hour and 45

01:34:04.360 minutes but uh that was a great chat with francis really did appreciate her her attitude of like we

01:34:10.840 got to lean into this we can't be afraid of this nonsense you know totally agree totally agree um

01:34:17.380 let's get that going but i do want to see if i can get some questions at the end of this

01:34:23.500 react to some of this here what do i do here like this does that work check check yeah

01:34:31.020 let's listen to this telling us they're there this is the first nations leaders discuss afn

01:34:38.300 vote on Indian Residential School denialism.

01:34:42.800 Let them rest there. So that's what we're trying to do here, making people

01:34:48.740 understand. Absolutely, like I want to thank you all for being here. I apologize

01:34:54.060 for being a little bit late, but when my bosses are up at the mics talking to me

01:34:58.400 about a First Minister's meeting, I had to make sure that we were there

01:35:01.700 listening. We want to lift up the Chiefs for their leadership in passing this

01:35:05.620 resolution at our assembly. This is the AFN at its best. This resolution reaffirms

01:35:10.840 our drive to press Canada to work with First Nations on legislation that

01:35:15.100 criminalizes hate speech and denialism because it is about justice, about truth

01:35:20.200 and reconciliation. First Nations are stronger today in this country than we

01:35:24.700 have ever been before and we know the stronger we get the more hate we receive.

01:35:28.720 and every time we have a chiefs meeting i'm telling you my inbox of of hatred on on the truth

01:35:36.840 uh you know comes up tenfold hatred on the truth eh hatred on the truth eh very interesting

01:35:45.940 what is the truth chiefs again for all right i uh i think i'm just gonna wrap it up here folks

01:35:53.140 guys thanks for tuning in um what are we saying in chat here how's everyone doing

01:35:58.160 i think we'll probably just wrap it up for the night uh gonna be talking to another dissident

01:36:04.440 tomorrow only a few days away till uh bill c9 comes into effect on july 18th uh but big surprise

01:36:12.840 tomorrow it'll be 3 p.m eastern time 3 p.m eastern time tomorrow i will be live again with another

01:36:21.760 dissident who's it gonna be i will send out the uh thumbnail tomorrow but you will find out it'll

01:36:27.640 be very exciting um dren dabb say they busting out the money drum again yeah i don't know what's

01:36:34.840 they gotta drum something up that's for sure they gotta drum something up um yeah we'll be

01:36:41.280 talking again tomorrow thanks for coming out guys um yeah there's i'm actually working on a

01:36:48.880 a song as well.

01:36:50.240 I'm going to try to release one of those old comedy songs I used to do.

01:36:54.240 I'm going to try to release one of those for,

01:36:56.220 for Saturday for July 18th when C9 goes into effect.

01:37:02.060 Gabe itch 93 Greg,

01:37:04.460 can you confirm if C9 works retroactively?

01:37:07.540 For example,

01:37:08.080 they locked up Joel Davis in Australia after instating a nearly identical law

01:37:13.960 all for posts and statements made prior to the law.

01:37:16.120 um you kind of have to assume that's going to be the case um because if i'm not mistaken someone

01:37:26.020 was asked if it's done retroactively and they said no but the thing is in the legislation itself

01:37:31.160 of c9 it says the word uh public says public place uh is this the symbols

01:37:44.520 yeah

01:37:48.020 hold on one second

01:37:49.760 yeah like the

01:37:53.920 willful promotion of hatred

01:37:55.920 it says a public place

01:37:59.720 so

01:38:00.920 you know publicly if the message is public

01:38:03.800 so if I made a tweet

01:38:06.180 if Jeremy McKenzie

01:38:07.980 made a tweet if somebody made a tweet like from

01:38:10.040 years ago or they have a video clip from

01:38:12.100 years ago if someone retweets

01:38:14.320 it if someone takes a screen capture of it and post it today it's publicly available now in 2026

01:38:20.600 in july if somebody you know clips an old video and post it as a new video uh it's in public is

01:38:28.100 it not it's in public that the damage is being done the harm is being caused by being there in

01:38:33.960 public you know would this surprise anybody i i think that uh you know what's always top of mind

01:38:40.360 for me when looking at these ridiculous speech laws and what is so infuriating from the opposition

01:38:47.500 is they have like they put these like naive glasses on they put these naive glasses on of 0.54

01:38:52.940 like well um technically it says this the government's not going to abuse the law to go

01:38:57.780 after dissidents the government the government's not going to abuse the law to go after dissidents

01:39:02.740 and people the government doesn't like no actually we saw that they do that during the trucker convoy

01:39:08.700 guys we actually saw that we saw them do exactly that that's what they did uh mischief charges

01:39:15.200 that are lasting years and years and years what why oh because the government used anything they

01:39:23.320 could find to charge the leaders of a protest movement i.e people the government doesn't like

01:39:29.960 they did anything they could to call them a criminal and that's what's so terrifying about 0.82

01:39:35.720 c9 it's a huge bat it's a huge toolkit oh look what look at all the things i got intimidation 0.99

01:39:40.540 in here i got uh you know oh uh they can add the motivated by hatred charge to any criminal charge

01:39:48.020 now brother brother it's a nightmare but the positive is is that

01:39:55.880 this is a double-edged sword for the government this is a double-edged sword

01:40:04.220 actually using c9 is a very double-edged sword and i think for that reason they're going to

01:40:10.300 hesitate to ever use it um they because i mean it's a double-edged sword as in like they're like

01:40:18.640 yes we can strike down our our dissident enemy we can strike down this person who is saying things

01:40:24.960 that are being inconvenient to us or being convenient to some other group but the thing is

01:40:29.240 is now everybody is going to see that you did that and they're going to see why you did that

01:40:35.000 and they're going to see how legitimate it was and they're probably going to see oh this wasn't 0.99

01:40:39.620 very legitimate oh this is the actions of like just authoritarian assholes actually you're just 0.99

01:40:46.620 you're just throwing your weight around throwing your dick around to go after people and you know 0.99

01:40:51.140 the difference is with the trucker convoy there was a huge international media hype around this 0.98

01:40:58.640 including probably the support of mass some of the largest corporations in the world in terms of

01:41:04.340 what do you call it big pharma you know trying to keep this grift trying to keep this like mega

01:41:11.360 grift going of pushing pharmaceutical products that you inject into your arm right like there

01:41:16.340 was a there was a lot riding on this whole you know this whole covid scam and the convoy disrupted

01:41:23.600 that so obviously destroying the the convoy and everything like it's not just canada it was kind

01:41:28.640 of like an international thing you could say in terms of like the attention it got so obviously

01:41:32.820 they're going to like put everything throw everything at the board to try and demonize

01:41:35.620 these people but you know if if it's 2026 not much going on and then you're going to try to

01:41:42.760 cobble together some charge towards like second sons or whatever then it's like well like what is

01:41:48.460 what is this what's the what's the actual charge what actually happened what do they actually do

01:41:53.100 And now you have to deal with sort of all the controversy around this.

01:41:56.380 It looks like you're kind of just arresting these people for their politics.

01:42:00.940 That's what it looks like.

01:42:02.740 Do you care to explain yourself?

01:42:04.040 It's a double-edged sword.

01:42:05.120 So, like, yes, they can make it super inconvenient for a certain protest movement or a certain group or a certain activist.

01:42:11.180 But it's like everybody else in the country is going to see that. 0.98

01:42:15.600 And if they see it's just you throwing your dick around, throwing your weight around, you're going to lose legitimacy. 0.98

01:42:21.320 You're going to you're going to start to look more like some sort of regime, like some sort of authoritarian government. 0.99

01:42:28.300 It's just frustrating because we already saw it happen.

01:42:31.540 We already saw it happen with the convoy.

01:42:33.760 So we know the government is capable of this.

01:42:36.300 But again, the one thing that I think we have going for us is that the convoy had this kind of hype around it that a lot of people were scared of it and did think it was this horrible thing.

01:42:46.720 But like, yeah, it's anyway, we'll see.

01:42:50.480 we'll see but um good question um i fear they're going to crucify jeremy mckenzie with c9 and then

01:42:58.200 put it back on the shelf um they're not going to put it back on the shelf dude uh you know

01:43:05.300 obviously jeremy comes to mind when it comes to like who to go after with the legislation

01:43:10.100 um but putting it back on the shelf i think it's i think it's randy hillier who talked about this

01:43:15.720 is like rarely do governments like take bills away they don't like to take laws away they like

01:43:20.180 to keep adding and adding and adding because that's just kind of represents more power for

01:43:23.660 them more kind of like they get to weaponize it in any direction that they want um but uh yeah

01:43:30.860 needless to say it's like it's it's very much you know we are living through history folks we are

01:43:35.180 living through history and you know this is kind of why i want to uh counter a lot of the sort of

01:43:41.160 um conspiracy slop that i see because i feel like people who can kind of pedal into all these

01:43:49.220 conspiracies and stuff again it's not even that it's not necessarily untrue but it's like

01:43:53.640 it's all of this stuff is not a foregone conclusion you know it's not a foregone

01:43:59.240 conclusion people like to say oh they're just going to do this to go after Jeremy it's like

01:44:02.160 well they tried to do that they tried to do that during the convoy what did that actually look like

01:44:06.760 you know Jeremy miraculously hired an expensive Toronto lawyer that was able to defend him

01:44:12.640 curveball it didn't really work out for them they actually kind of took the L on that one

01:44:18.000 But it's only because of the specific details, the specific actions that Jeremy took as an individual to like, you know, navigate that situation.

01:44:28.580 Jeremy's situation is just one example of many other, you know, you have Francis Widowson's situation, all these, Archer Pawlowski, all these different situations, like, you know, kind of moving at once.

01:44:39.540 There's a lot of different details in there.

01:44:41.560 There's a lot of different interplay that can be changed that we can influence, that we can manipulate, that we can push in the right direction.

01:44:51.140 So that's why I really don't like this conspiracy stuff because it's almost like this kind of weird like throwing your hands up in the air and like giving up.

01:44:58.600 Oh, well, they have all this power, so it's over anyway.

01:45:01.480 It's like, well, sure, they're passing these bills, but how are they going to pass it and make it look legitimate?

01:45:06.660 it they're going to look like it's going to be clear that it's not that it's not a democracy

01:45:11.460 it's going to be clear that it's not a free country if they do this the wrong way they can't

01:45:14.680 do it that way so they have to be careful and same with us we have to be on our you know on

01:45:20.140 our best behavior we need to be super smart and we need to be winning over the people man we need

01:45:25.660 to be cool and popular and we want the average Canadian to be like oh wow like man they're

01:45:31.600 throwing these people in jail or like wow they're picking on that guy that guy seemed kind of like 0.93

01:45:36.160 cool i like huh that my man my government seems fucked up you know like like being as uh you know 0.71

01:45:44.660 likable presentable relatable as possible is is like really part of our survival at this point 0.96

01:45:50.980 you know kind of kind of like falling into the rabbit holes acting more and more like resentful

01:45:55.840 freaks like that's not gonna help us at all like actually succumbing to this like being resentful

01:46:02.040 and actually like coming across like these hateful people like that's that's not going to be good we

01:46:07.440 got to have smiles on we got to be charming people we got to we got to welcome people into our world

01:46:12.840 to say like hey this is what's happening to us is unjust it's not about being like a victim

01:46:17.100 but it's about kind of like pride proudly pushing forward and being like hey i'm in the right

01:46:22.120 actually i'm actually the morally righteous one i'm i'm the one who's on the right side of this 0.93

01:46:26.360 actually you know don't believe in these stupid labels that they're doing to try and uh you know 0.80

01:46:32.720 to try and demonize everybody who has the wrong politics so yeah but um 0.96

01:46:39.620 absolutely absolutely hey there's i mean we're in the middle of history right now we we are

01:46:47.700 living through history and i'm excited for what's next and i hope to really make an impact this fall

01:46:54.540 with the documentary i'm i'm i'm tweaking it i'm i'm changing it to make it really hit hit the

01:47:03.240 moment this fall and we are going to we're going to start a movement guys we're going to really 0.99

01:47:08.500 push and expose these cry babies expose these cry baby journalists and uh their stupid shtick 1.00

01:47:16.160 their cry bully shtick it's over it's over it's over for them it's not going to work anymore guys 1.00

01:47:23.420 the masculinity is building in canada the masculine young men the masculine people are

01:47:30.220 starting to be like you know what i'm awake now we're actually going to fix this country

01:47:35.460 everybody needs to calm down daddy's home daddy's home time to fix this stuff okay

01:47:42.200 so i'm feeling optimistic i'm feeling optimistic but again if you want to support what's going on

01:47:49.920 If you want to support the upcoming documentary, go to give, send, go.com slash save free speech.

01:47:56.140 And yeah, we're going to see you tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern time.

01:48:00.980 Surprise, surprise stream, special guest.

01:48:04.360 One of the biggest dissidents in the country.

01:48:06.500 I'm going to be talking to at 3 p.m. Eastern time tomorrow.

01:48:09.200 But until then, we will talk to you soon, folks.

01:48:12.620 And yeah, thanks for watching.

01:48:14.180 We'll be right back.

01:48:44.180 My own eyes and I know that you care, but tell me why, why am I so scared?

01:48:59.620 And let me lie, persuade, confused, can't think about it, I could die.

Greg Wycliffe - July 16, 2026

Frances Widdowson🔴 3 DAYS til C-9 takes affect🔴Kamloops Residential School

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