00:14:17.500Very embarrassing for them because they are completely embarrassing.
00:14:22.280Like they have, you know, it's just, it's shocking what they're doing and they have no sense of what they, what an actual university is about.
00:14:32.500hence the buffalo robe and uh and the the the the spider web enactment this is infantilizing
00:14:42.700for students to get them to do this that's what it is what are you doing just stop it
00:14:49.700stop it now it's gonna be uh nula moon snail says oral tradition should not be considered0.97
00:14:58.700quality evidence whatsoever and indigenous ways of knowing is bullshit and knowledge keepers are0.96
00:15:04.260just glorified tribal cult leaders yep would you say that's a good kind of summary of the0.96
00:15:10.720indigenous industry in canada and the kind of the big sort of uh gaping problems with it
00:15:16.460well i would probably have a little bit more of a mediated like oral history you know we have
00:15:24.680people who put forward um things which could be true orally but you can't determine whether
00:15:32.660they're true unless you uh verify what's been said with evidence so so it's just like a very
00:15:39.580tentative kind of thing um but the problem is is that it's being used as a declaration that this
00:15:48.160is truth and it must be believed that that's kind of the problem and sort of seeing it as a highly
00:15:53.200unreliable source it's not it's not a reliable form of evidence it might be true but it's kind
00:16:02.980of a very tentative uh kind of uh hypothesis about it so there is a highly sophisticated
00:16:09.920psychological term to define this type of human behavior it's called broken telephone
00:16:15.920where you keep telling and repeating the same thing and then all of a sudden it gets completely
00:16:20.380distorted um and you can only imagine like it'd be interesting to see if you could track the
00:16:25.740broken telephone of oral tradition of different indigenous groups pre and then post the you know
00:16:32.260residential schools kind of like hype right well the best the best example of this is the cam loops
00:16:37.740215 deception which was uh until 2021 when sarah bollier ran her gpr machine over the apple orchard
00:16:46.440And there was only one verified eyewitness about the burials.
00:16:54.960And that guy was associated with Kevin Annette, who is this, you know, defrocked United Church minister who has these highly improbable tales that he's been telling for the last 30 years.
00:17:08.500So there really wasn't anything there until 2021.
00:17:13.340And that's when people heard about this.
00:17:15.460And then all of a sudden, all the memories got reinterpreted to be, you know, all sorts of burials and graves and and children going missing and all this kind of stuff that never existed before.
00:17:30.300I do want to hop back to something you said earlier, because, you know, I'm really getting hyped up to finally launch the final cut of my documentary this fall.
00:17:41.640i'm going to be gearing it towards the the speech law or the online censorship law but i'm also
00:17:48.680thinking like man like what's how do we how do we flip how do we turn the tables on these people
00:17:52.820and i want to go back to um the inception of you being let go or banned or whatever you want to
00:18:00.000call it from mount royal university which is the whole reason you can't go back to school to work
00:18:08.060is because someone is panicking because because because because uh because weasel head is like
00:18:15.220ah my my nervous system cannot be exposed to the essence to the spirit the evil hateful spirit of
00:18:22.520francis widdowson i must be protected against her or else my head's gonna explode or else i'm going0.58
00:18:29.260to she's going to like just faint and like fall into a coma because of your hateful essence emanating0.99
00:18:34.440off you like like this is so foolish but in your case and in so many other people's cases it comes0.96
00:18:41.780down to people who are embellishing or really being like my feelings are my feelings are a0.97
00:18:48.940tidal wave when i'm around this person and it's like this is like so we have to cater to these
00:18:55.600to these people who should be have a therapist or something you know have you thought about this
00:19:00.240whole phenomenon how absurd it is how do you summarize it yeah well it's it's to some extent
00:19:06.520it's wound up with the totalitarian identity politics also known as wokeism that is
00:19:13.760permeating our institutions also the wider concept which is equity diversity and inclusion
00:19:20.520so you want to increase the numbers of indigenous scholars who are professors of number of indigenous
00:19:28.080students those people uh number like the people who identify as like this kind of group not not
00:19:35.340all aboriginal people of the people who are activists become very very upset when they
00:19:42.340they have their views being challenged and this makes them leave the university
00:19:47.880because they feel unsafe so that means that your numbers of aboriginal scholar activists will
00:19:55.160decline if you allow these things to be said.
00:20:00.500So you've got to stop those things from being said so that you can increase the numbers
00:21:52.400But she interpreted it that way because she can read my mind.
00:21:57.480And she left Mount Royal and a bunch of other Indigenous scholars left.
00:22:03.780And we had this meeting where a bunch of professors were saying that Indigenous scholars were leaving Mount Royal because they felt unsafe.
00:22:16.100And how are we going to make them feel safe at Mount Royal?
00:29:53.460I try to keep up to date with all the different stories, the different dissidents and people getting persecuted for having the wrong opinion.
00:30:01.200But was this connected to the whole satirical tweets as well?
00:32:55.820yeah like uh the residential schools were not genocidal like this is what we're talking about
00:33:05.100august 24th to 26th at mount royal university we're going to be doing spectrum street epistemology
00:33:10.160and looking at these claims that you're not allowed to say at mount royal university because
00:33:14.380this causes people to be so upset that they got to hide in this that's what i was told
00:33:20.160that people were hiding in the stairwells so that they wouldn't so they do so they wouldn't
00:33:28.400have to pass me in the hallways because it was so traumatizing yeah you're walking by
00:33:35.020francis widdowson and she's like is that a mustard stain on your shirt oh she asked me
00:33:41.120if it was a mustard stain oh my god hey what's the weather like out today oh she asked me the
00:33:48.280weather uh uh that's crazy that's that's uh man yeah it's like nuts but you know i i've learned
00:33:57.500i'm older and wiser and i've learned that my relentless questions asked with ill intent are
00:34:04.320not appreciated and therefore you know i will not i'm not gonna do that in the in the oral form i
00:34:11.220will i will pose my questions in writing from now on so as not to traumatize the you know
00:34:18.220the, uh, the, the, uh, pressed minorities who cannot, uh, you know,
00:34:22.640handle having their ideas question.0.93
00:34:25.160You know what, this, this could be, uh,
00:34:29.040this could be a really shitty thing to do or like a really kind of like
00:34:32.780smart ass thing to do if you're in one of these environments or situations0.73
00:34:35.920again. Okay. Trigger warning. I'm about to ask you a tough question.
00:34:39.800Are you ready? I'm just going to give you a trigger.
00:34:42.360I'm just going to give you little guys a little trigger warning before I ask
00:34:45.400you a question. Okay. You want a lollipop too?
00:34:48.220Okay. Everybody calm down. I'm going to ask a tough question. I know you guys don't really
00:34:52.560like the tough questions. So does anybody need to do it? Do they need a security blanket? Do
00:34:58.120they need a breathing exercise? Harassment right away. Harassment complete right away.1.00
00:35:03.920That's going to get you into the investigations. That'll do it. That'll do it. You'll get into
00:35:10.180investigation right away yeah boy and this is what you can't can't ask an innocent question
00:35:16.260can't be mocking can't be playful can't joke i don't know if i've told you this but every time
00:35:22.500that i like follow you know the best example is probably evan belgord of the canadian anti-hate
00:35:27.460network uh but we also recently i was streaming about it i think you were watching some of the
00:35:31.340stream there was like this indigenous activist in orillia and like i saw the video clip of her
00:35:36.600talking the seriousness this the dead seriousness these people like if they have a sense of humor
00:35:46.060it all falls apart like if they have a sense of humor if they have have a lightness of spirit of
00:35:50.780like you know being able to handle a hypothetical being able to handle a question being able to
00:35:54.980handle an opinion that they don't like like this whole ruse would fall apart it all hinges
00:36:01.260on this seriousness that everything is deathly deadly serious of well and then they had they
00:36:09.100had this opinion and they were over there near the statue in our city and it's like what's what's the
00:36:15.300danger here like i'm i'm worried about people breaking into my home in toronto you're worried
00:36:19.820about someone with a different opinion at the park what what's going on here yeah yeah that was
00:36:25.280that was amazing well what was it that you know and also too this kind of exaggeration on things
00:36:30.200like spitting like someone who's gonna spit on people you know this kind of thing when when and
00:36:35.880when no when there's no uh like like nothing's happened like that this is just imagination this
00:36:41.320is in the imagination well well not for you are you good yeah uh not for you haven't haven't have
00:36:49.640you been spit on yet you had like pop poured on you or something i know uh um yeah that's good
00:36:55.960yep oh um yeah so uh tony holt's wife in lethbridge was spit on um this woman at
00:37:07.080the university of winnipeg was spit on so you know like there's been people who've had that happen
00:37:15.720to them and also it's uh does this happen i haven't been spit on myself like as far as i
00:37:23.640know like i probably happened so like it's hilarious because at you at ubc um stuart parker
00:37:30.760who's a friend of mine who was there at ubc which was just like wild that was completely wild a
00:37:37.000thousand people trotting at the mouth um i was protected by five strong men who were like a line
00:37:45.320like a a football line who were holding back the mob that were trying to you know rip me to shreds
00:37:51.320and uh uh yeah so uh that that steward was saying you were being punched people are punching you
00:38:00.920and i was going oh no they were i don't think so like i don't remember being punched
00:38:06.680but so he saw people punching me but i had i had no idea that i was being punched so i don't know
00:38:11.280i have no idea yeah well and it's just the irony right it's like they're they're freaking out oh
00:38:17.720my god they're gonna spit in our face or like what what happens if we you know what are they
00:38:22.760gonna do to us like we are literally unsafe and then it's like talking about unsafe be francis
00:38:28.120widdowson asking a question on university campus you're gonna get mobbed you're gonna get mobbed0.98
00:38:34.100by like indigenous gangsters uh by the way you know like who's who's at risk here it's it's um0.67
00:38:42.440And again, with Bill C9 coming down the pipe, it's like, hopefully it's not that bad, but it's like people like us who dare to make a comment that might offend an identifiable group.
00:38:53.940We are the ones that have to be worried we're not going to catch criminal charges for voicing our opinion.
00:38:59.700You know, we're we are the people who are in danger here in terms of, you know, consequences that are life altering consequences.
00:39:06.480Meanwhile, these people are freaking out in a prison of delusions in their home, thinking that someone with the wrong opinion is going to come spit on them or something.
00:39:19.720I do want to thank a super chatter here.
00:39:23.58011th Hour Penny Worker sends in $20 and he says, show us the bones.
00:49:26.040They think, you know, they get up in the morning, they look outside, the birds are singing, the sun is shining, nothing's really bothering them very much.
00:49:34.220And now they got to worry about whether they're going to put their job on their line for something.
00:49:39.400That's not going to, they're not going to get really active.
00:49:42.340but we want it we don't want things to get to the point where we're being disappeared in the middle
00:49:47.140of the night and if we don't stop what's going on we will be disappeared in the middle of the night
00:49:52.180that's going to happen and uh yeah and uh love your attitude love that attitude guys oh sevens oh seven
00:50:05.940yeah don't don't back away like if you get hit hit back twice as hard
00:50:12.340i feel like i'm in high school listening to my football coach right now let's freaking go0.98
00:50:16.840let's freaking go go team fucking man yes that reminds me of a pep talk from my football coach0.98
00:50:24.500that's crazy like it's the worst to back away the worst thing the worst thing you can do like0.99
00:50:30.080and i've seen people do it and their life is their life is over like they they they really
00:50:36.120psychologically will never recover from that because they they could have you know what is
00:50:40.900it is a it's a failure of nerve it's a fail it's a failure it's a personal failure they didn't they
00:50:45.860didn't they didn't face it on they didn't face it at all i just thought of the perfect analogy for
00:50:49.560this uh the conservative party of canada they're not leaning and they're not driving into the
00:50:55.820pocket with the ball they're not like running as hard as they can and they're still getting called
00:51:00.840all the names they're still like like you know getting all the negative consequences as if they
00:51:06.560were running into the pocket but they're not they're they're flinching they're holding back
00:51:10.600so now they're just getting clobbered they're not gaining any ground they're not gaining any
00:51:14.040respect it's just a bloodbath and uh and most importantly though they're not helping us they're
00:51:20.120not helping yourself um i've ranted about this on my show many times but like why why is why are you
00:51:28.000taking the slings and arrows you you're not even you don't even identify as a right-wing conservative
00:51:33.020person but you are like yeah yeah and you're like do people believe the truth is important
00:51:40.780like that's the question is the truth important if you think the truth is important well then we
00:51:46.100can talk if you don't think the truth is important well like it's it's it's meaningless like the
00:51:51.940whole conversation is meaningless so you know this is what i'm i'm sort of finding and and i'm not a
00:51:56.520politician or i'm not a i'm i'm an academic i'm a i'm i'm philosophical in my outlook but
00:52:03.180you know i i don't want to lead a double life where i say one thing privately and you know
00:52:10.460like i understand some things uh you know this is my my personal matters but like on matters of
00:52:16.920public concern i i don't self i don't self-sense like i yeah then this is this is your work
00:52:24.000yeah so like and then i never felt there was a problem until you know 10 years ago like when
00:52:31.540you started to feel things could really not go well here like things are not going to go in a
00:52:36.780good direction um and and also it just i guess in the in my whole life i never felt that i couldn't
00:52:45.340say what i believe to be true and and that is now is there are serious pressures trying to stop that
00:52:52.060from happening and uh it's going to be jailed it's going to be what's going to happen first
00:52:57.720or well there's ostracism and you know no one who has any confidence worries about that
00:53:05.380because the people who want to ostracize you are not worth the time of day anyway so
00:53:11.460whatever you lose your job now that's a huge problem because now you you don't have
00:53:16.560uh your livelihood but you know that doesn't mean things are over you know you find new things to do
00:53:23.420you know it's like then i'm not sure if you know who denny rancor is um but he's uh yeah yeah yeah
00:53:29.540no i've been meaning to interview him for some time he's a great guy he's a great guy so i met
00:53:33.060him in 2016 and and uh i had like lots of things said negatively about him and in and to me like
00:53:40.200he was a crazy guy and everything else and i met him and and he seemed to me to have a little bit
00:53:45.440kind of bizarre ideas but i i didn't know enough about it so i was like well this guy's got a lot
00:53:50.000of interesting cakes on everything and i remember because he was fired from from university of ottawa
00:53:55.480in 2008 and he's still fighting his case oh my god 2008 that's going to be almost 20 years
00:54:07.540in two years what what what was his offense what was his big he thought the grades were not
00:54:15.640appropriate pedagogical instruments he's opposed to the grading system so uh this of course is uh
00:54:23.480the life lifeblood of the credentialing system but the funniest thing about this is what to this day
00:54:29.320is because the university of ottawa was so dirty it played so dirty it got a psychiatrist to write
00:54:37.080a report about him a secret report that he was a dangerous person and the the psychiatrist never
00:54:44.000interviewed denis and just wrote his report and denis found this out this psychiatrist's report
00:54:50.900somehow through his various machinations and he's been pursuing this psychiatrist for unethical
00:54:57.900kinds of actions for the last you know 15 years or whatever this continuing on but he was talking
00:55:04.060to me and because i don't i don't have a lot of other skills besides being a professor like i i
00:55:10.160can't you know do any plumbing or whatever whatever so i was saying to him you know but i
00:55:15.360can't you know i can't be fired because i i can't do anything else like this is the only thing i can
00:55:21.200do and he's going if this is the you can do you're a sad excuse for a human being you know like you0.96
00:55:28.300know like like like you like this is ridiculous you can do other things like you know this is
00:55:33.700the thing is that just because you lose your livelihood of your doesn't mean you can't learn
00:55:38.720new things and do something else it's not the end of the world you know like like you know being
00:55:46.680disappeared in the middle of the night is the end of the world but like that's the problem is being
00:55:50.980disappeared but until that happens it's all fair game you know just go after it just take take it
00:55:59.560to whomever has taken it to you take it to them twice as hard
00:56:03.520yeah you know it can seem very insurmountable it can seem very um uh demoralizing but we are against
00:56:14.480government workers guys you know they really don't have their heart in it uh they they're
00:56:20.140just kind of punching in punching out they don't really have their heart in it um yeah yeah so
00:56:25.900and the emasculated the emasculated emasculated population the people who are trying to punch me
00:56:33.700and i don't even notice that they're trying to punch me you know this is it's not very it's not
00:56:37.720a very threatening situation here right right right um yeah and denny um that's really interesting
00:56:47.040that they were using those dirty tactics way back then in the 2000s let's let's deploy a
00:56:54.840psychologists to write a report to say he's crazy and then use that yeah yeah it's bad it's really
00:57:01.500bad and i mean i'm i'm noticing a pattern here though having followed people from the trucker
00:57:06.580convoy where it's like i'm seeing the future now like they're gonna just drag this out and drag
00:57:12.400this out and drag this out and like the truth will never be like objectively defined until it's like
00:57:17.680way down the road and everyone involved is already has a villa in france or whatever and they're like
00:57:23.020way far away from any sort of accountability uh so you need direct action direct action
00:57:28.980is the only way like i can and i noticed that with the universities so um you know for whatever
00:57:36.10030 years i've been fighting the universities saying this not they're not i've been doing it
00:57:41.100through academic channels writing papers doing this that you know and and it's all good like
00:57:47.480in that it's all words on paper and everyone can see them but no one no one pays attention
00:57:52.180you go into the university and you confront these mobs and all of a sudden it's like whoa you know
00:57:59.840like this is now this is a something to pay attention to and that's what that's what happened
00:58:05.480like that that was really the the game changing situation was going into the universities and not
00:58:12.140allowing them to push you off campus going in attack you know like if they stop you if they
00:58:19.820give you a trespass notice you go right you go in and you and you force them you force them to do
00:58:25.340it and then you see what they do they do that then you go back again so i'm going back into
00:58:29.600the university of victoria on uh uh september 28th and 29th yep gonna go back in there good
00:58:37.840good they probably can't wait to have you they stayed my they stayed my trespass notice the0.71
00:58:43.160police uh the crown did so gay it's all fair game now they're gonna go in there university of0.84
00:58:48.420victoria you know nice let's kind of go and have some conversate some combos play a few games now0.89
00:58:55.600i don't i don't want to uh freak you out but i do want to go over this just in case just to for
00:59:01.800everyone's to be aware of uh do you know the ins and outs of the intimidation charge that's uh been
00:59:08.120tabled with bill c9 uh no i don't so we'll go over it real quickly here and again lawyers might say
00:59:17.660they think they know how this is going to be used it's claimed that no no it's only going to be used
00:59:22.420if like you're blocking a jew from entering a synagogue or blocking a muslim from entering a
00:59:26.640mosque but if you actually look at how it's written it's a little bit more uh broad broad
00:59:33.100than that so i'll quickly go over it here intimidation every person commits an offense
00:59:37.240who engages in any conduct with the intent to provoke a state of fear in a person in order to
00:59:45.260impede their access so the crazy part here is you know this is referring to a protest basically
00:59:51.280um is a protest not meant to like intimidate people in some way or another or sort of like
00:59:56.820disrupt so it's like to provoke a state of fear i feel like it's a very low bar especially if it's
01:00:03.080like intent that's interesting to you the intent this question of intent like like like uh that
01:00:09.560that's and that's my defamation case against the university of lethbridge faculty association
01:00:14.040is that they said i intended to cause harm and i was motivated by hate that's why i went to the
01:00:23.480university of lethbridge on february 4th so that's a very very difficult thing to prove intent right
01:00:29.880right that's very interesting how it's the exact same language there's also a entirely different
01:00:35.340charge called um offense motivated by hatred by basically any any criminal charge that you get
01:00:41.640you can just stack this one on top of it and just add up to what is it uh up to like 10 years or
01:00:49.140something like that but but people should not be afraid to go to jail you know that's that's the
01:00:54.320thing is that no for sure don't pay any don't pay any attention to this uh do do what you think is
01:01:00.620right and then do it and do it now do it now keep on doing it and then when it comes when it goes
01:01:36.260occupy an entire you know like this is what they do which is completely uh imperialistic1.00
01:01:45.140you i don't want you occupying the streets doing this and i think islam is a1.00
01:01:50.900is a just a horrible religion that is very oppressive and so on and i'm i'm not gonna1.00
01:01:55.540i'm gonna put my sign up saying islam is cancer or whatever i want to say when they're doing that0.99
01:02:04.260sure that's gonna be that'll that'll get you that'll get you charged doing that kind of thing1.00
01:02:10.500because they're putting their butts up in the air in this this this all the street and everything0.97
01:02:13.940and you're putting up a a sign saying islam is cancer that's intimidating right yeah when islam0.98
01:02:23.300is cancer right so right uh that i mean that sounds like a banger sign to be honest that's
01:02:32.660Well, the reason I mentioned this is there's a student at Mount Royal who wrote these words on, I think he wrote it with chalk on a wall or something, and he was thrown out of Mount Royal because of this.
01:02:46.740And so I was asking the president, because for two years I actually got into a position of being on general faculties council because there was no one else who wanted to do it.
01:03:01.100and uh i was able to you know punch above my weight in terms of the questions that were asked
01:03:06.400in this venue and so i asked can we say islam is cancer at mount royal is that or is that it was
01:03:15.920because he put it on like voted improperly or whatever another one of your questions another
01:03:20.700one of your sneaky very poignant and relevant questions yes and this was great lack of safety
01:03:28.860unsafe like an unsafe environment for a muslim uh faculty member who left mount royal0.95
01:03:36.300because you know these kinds of questions were being allowed at this university
01:03:44.620like we need to know are you allowed to be come out with this a strident criticism of islam on
01:03:51.180this campus is that allowed are we going to be pulled before some tribunal i love it i love it
01:03:59.340i love it how you just cut through all the straight to the can we say this or not hey
01:04:05.260is this what makes you feel unsafe that i said indigenous science is fake
01:04:09.740like these direct ques they just can't handle it they just freak out these direct questions
01:04:14.940that is not allowed there's a lot to be said though about like a properly crafted question
01:04:19.660that really oh yeah right to the my favorite one my favorite one ever was uh gabrielle weaselhead1.00
01:04:26.260she enters into this again so gabrielle weaselhead in 2020 left mount royal she filed an harassment1.00
01:04:33.400complaint against me for various misdeeds uh satirizing her efforts to try to get me fired1.00
01:04:39.280and so on so she goes and then she leaves so i can't file a harassment complaint against her
01:04:45.580because she's no longer there she's not an employee so in december 2021 so this is a year
01:04:51.940later she's applying on a job at mount royal so i'm thinking how could she be applying at a job
01:05:01.020for a job at mount royal when she's left because i make her feel unsafe
01:05:04.940so i'm obviously like i'm out of there i'm going to be out of there pretty soon this is a message
01:05:14.140that's going to be happening but anyway i was able to go to her uh her uh talk that she gave
01:05:22.300for hiring for her hiring so i was there on zoom and we have to submit our questions in advance
01:05:30.620to the dean that's what we're asking and gabrielle weasel is yakking on about indigenous epistemologies
01:05:40.380and epistemology is how do we know where how we how do we know the things that we know so
01:05:45.260on what basis can we say that we have knowledge so my question very carefully crafted
01:05:52.940was how do indigenous epistemologies distinguish between true and false beliefs
01:06:03.500yep and i'm guessing you know a lot about indigenous epistemologies and its shortcomings
01:06:13.780so yeah uh did did she was she forced to answer this or did she say this question makes me feel
01:06:20.060unsafe no she didn't know it was for me oh okay everyone guessed it was for me obviously
01:06:27.240but she answered she didn't she didn't know it was from me everybody knew it was from me
01:06:34.600as she probably knew it was from you she answered she i have i have it on tape i recorded the whole
01:06:39.420thing and uh she said if i know it if if if i know it's true it's true
01:06:47.220nice very good very good love that circular reasoning that's very good that's very good
01:06:56.040um man i believe it's true it's true yeah that was her answer so you know like obviously cannot
01:07:03.500stand in a university because people believe all sorts of things which are not true and so
01:07:09.940like you have to have some way of distinguishing whether what you believe is actually true or not
01:07:14.560anyway this was seen as being uh mary lee mulholland who's the chair of sociology and
01:07:19.660anthropology uh took great umbrage to this question and this is one of the reasons why
01:07:25.360can't be reinstated is because i ask these kinds of horrible questions at these interviews and so
01:07:31.600on but it was like a perfectly crafted question trying to get to the nub of the whole problems
01:07:37.340with indigenous you know ways of knowing and all this kind of stuff but yeah i i wish i wish there
01:07:42.880were more real journalists in this country like you who would ask questions like this
01:07:47.620exactly well take for example the afn i'm not sure if you're aware of this but today
01:07:53.620i could not believe this the assembly of first nations had a
01:08:00.260uh like a discussion of criminalizing residential school denialism
01:08:06.420a discussion of criminalizing residential school denialism we love that yes and it was i mean it's
01:08:13.260the most outrageous well there's been a like this is kind of up there on you know complete gas
01:08:19.920translating and like come like i just don't i don't know how to say it did you did you tweet
01:08:25.960about this yeah i have the i have the uh i have the youtube video that i posted uh which i believe0.65
01:08:33.380was woe daddy was they're all woe daddy all your videos are woe daddy oh okay here we go
01:08:39.760found it and anyway uh uh good morning this is unbelievable this this this this video of all0.85
01:08:48.720these people talking about um like different just just like complete arrogance that they are
01:08:59.040doing this and uh oh look at all the beads he's got look at all those beads anyway this you know
01:09:06.980this is complete arrogance of these people who just we just think they can they can tell you
01:09:12.200you have to accept what they say is true when it's obviously you know highly contested uh what's
01:09:19.240going on um anyway this was amazing this i've never seen such like it's i'm sorry but it's
01:09:24.860crazy to go to a podium with a microphone wearing that in your head and being like take me seriously
01:09:29.560yeah well i get it it's part of the like identity or whatever but like that's crazy yeah it's made
01:09:35.440up it's completely made up this is not it's not something that's anything that they've you know
01:09:39.860It's not like the Catholic, you know, whatever, the robes.
01:09:44.560This has been built up over the last, you know, 500 years or whatever.
01:09:48.200This is all just invented within the last, you know, probably the last couple of years.
01:09:53.820You know, I've decided to get a nice hat.
01:09:56.460Anyway, it's just like an absolutely ridiculous thing that was going on today.0.84
01:10:02.520It just is unbelievable what these people are doing.
01:10:05.120And the reason why I brought this up is the media was there, and special call of shame goes to Olivia Stefanovich from the CBC, who knows better, softballing these absurd questions to these people when the questions are obvious, what needs to be asked, which is, you know,
01:10:31.380What about asking whether the remains of 215 children have been found at Kamloops?
01:10:36.940Is that denialism to ask that question?
01:15:19.400and they're so moronic like that's the thing that is just like they're you're yakking away with1.00
01:15:26.260this not like a couple of brain cells you know like they're sharing a brain cell here it's not1.00
01:15:32.660like high uh convincing arguments it's just a bunch of rambling stuff where they tell you how
01:15:39.200hurt they are and how they've been oppressed and this and that there's no content at all to what
01:15:44.780they're talking about and so the whole thing is is absurd and i i just think that they're not
01:15:53.020getting traction on it doesn't seem they're getting traction on it and and and the more
01:15:57.600they have to try the more it shows they're going to fail on this which is good but you know it's
01:16:03.220just kind of a minor boutique issue in the in the wider kind of horrible landscape which is going on0.96
01:16:10.660And you mentioned the Jewish population, Judaism and this.0.60
01:16:15.600Let's get Holocaust denial out of the criminal code, because that is what they're using as a wedge to try to bring in the residential school denialism.
01:16:26.000And why not? If you're going to have Holocaust denial, why not have residential school denial?
01:16:35.420I heard Sean Carlton making this point, you know, a month ago.
01:16:39.040So, you know, like having any historical event, like disputing it, being criminalized, is obviously going to lead to distortions in how we understand that historical event.
01:16:49.960So why would we want to do that at all?
01:16:54.480Why are all these other things in there, which are obviously not beneficial to a democratic society?
01:17:00.340and you know for the angry young men who i know i know some of them um you you know have a lot of
01:17:08.160hate in their heart um criminalizing their hate is not going to solve the problem that's going to
01:17:17.120make things a lot worse to do that so knock it off with the criminalization of speech if you're
01:17:24.580going to threaten someone if you're going to incite various criminal acts well okay fine
01:17:29.180like that that's a well-known problem but everything else is is you know we can be we can
01:17:34.660deal with it much more effectively through various forums to try to sort of say to people you know
01:17:41.820why are you so angry like like why are you blaming this this situation like you're you've had these
01:17:48.000terrible things that have happened to you but why are you blaming this group for these terrible
01:17:52.260things that have happened or whatever kind of conversation needs to happen to make people
01:17:56.440try to understand other people a little bit better and not be so angry and wanting to you know
01:18:02.740whatever whatever there's in their heart i don't know but it just seems kind of frightening but
01:18:07.080it's going to be worse they're going to make it a lot worse what they're doing yeah yeah i i think
01:18:11.520the whole sort of premise of the law itself is is totally uh disingenuous and misguided in terms of
01:18:17.300how human psychology works yeah uh you know resentment leads to more hatred picking favorites
01:18:24.640leads you know and this is exactly what this bill is doing it's picking favorites
01:18:30.040and it's encouraging people to not talk about stuff yeah more talk we need to talk more about
01:18:37.700it why are people so resentful what what are the what is the what is the root of the resentment
01:18:44.060that they have like like this is a good question well we'll never know so my mod says straight to
01:18:50.700jail straight to jail and but it's so true because it's like um what happens when we can't use our
01:18:57.540words this is what leads to the things that are actually not good like violence like something
01:19:02.900worse uh and they're trying to shut people up they're trying to shut down the conversation0.87
01:19:06.700super disingenuous and at the same time like we're here to keep people safe bullshit no i was0.99
01:19:12.380i was gonna bring it up on screen here because uh the stupid legal jargon this is the this is0.95
01:19:18.180Majority in our criminal code willful 319 2.1.0.78
01:19:21.860Everyone who by communicating statements other than in private conversation willfully promotes anti-Semitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust.
01:19:33.540And relating that to the residential school denial, I think we kind of answered our own question.
01:19:40.100Why didn't they try to get in residential school denial?
01:19:43.220and i think it's because it would have actually exposed how absurd this existing law already was
01:19:48.460yeah that's already been on our criminal code which very like interestingly was slipped into
01:19:54.400our criminal code like around the trucker convoy when like no one was paying attention to any of
01:19:59.300that it was like slipped in through this like budget bill which is like one of those weird
01:20:03.380things where um i don't know it's like who um who asked for this who like there was no campaigning
01:20:11.200around this there was no messaging around this we were told to stay inside at the time wear a mask
01:20:15.120or else blah blah blah but um let's move on uh we want to bring back a samuel de champlain statue
01:20:25.440in aurelia uh we think his story is a great example of real reconciliation because he did
01:20:32.060collaborate a lot with indigenous groups here when he uh when he got here in the 1600s do you
01:20:37.940much about this uh historical figure samuel de champlain i i don't i don't but i i'm just
01:20:43.540generally opposed to taking down statues so like i like i think it's important to understand
01:20:48.660historical figures for their good things and their bad things and and and i don't know why
01:20:54.900we want to take down like we want to i guess it's this kind of idea presentism where we
01:21:01.060we want to judge historical figures according to the standards of today but i think it's a really
01:21:06.740um sort of narrow-minded uh virtue signaling kind of nonsense that i don't i don't agree with at all
01:21:16.520but i in terms of champlain i i don't think he was a particularly you know uh horrible person
01:21:24.300who did terrible kinds of atrocities or anything like as far as i know i i don't i don't really
01:21:30.600know very much about it to be honest so but it seems to me he he was one of the the least
01:21:35.240kind of controversial figures it seemed to me compared to you know Duncan Campbell Scott or
01:21:42.020um you know Sir Francis Bondhead or um you know whatever like some people who you know said things
01:21:49.420which were you know although I can understand why they said them at the time they thought they were
01:21:55.360true and they thought this was the right course of action they might have been misguided or whatever
01:22:00.220But, you know, this is, I don't think Champlain was, first of all, it was very early on, so it was not administering a very, you know, kind of intrusive.
01:22:11.840And as well, Quebec, French Canada was much more integrationist with the Aboriginal population.
01:22:21.040They wanted to create a new society with Aboriginal people and French people.
01:22:26.180Like it wasn't like the British kind of system where you were you were trying to, to some extent, make profits off these furs and you weren't you weren't trying to create a combined society.
01:22:38.360So I think that it was a generally a forward-looking kind of approach, it seemed to me, but I haven't studied it in any detail.
01:22:48.920I think the whole way in which it's being talked about is very, very, you know, sort of oriented towards making people think you're a great person by, you know, throwing statues into the water and this kind of stuff.
01:23:05.740It's kind of a grandstanding kind of approach.
01:23:08.360Mm hmm. Well, just to fact check you on that, we do know Samuel de Champlain was a bad person because he's of European descent. So fact check. He's a bad person. He's a white guy. He's a colonizer. Duh. No, but I did want to share just a little bit more details because I'm curious if you've heard of these different indigenous groups.1.00
01:23:29.100and it's kind of like an interesting because like when you know the facts the sort of complaints
01:23:33.940about the statue start to become absurd which is uh in that area now more most recently the most
01:23:40.960active indigenous group is called the chippewas of rama i think i'm pretty sure that's the name
01:23:46.800of the indigenous group and they're saying that they have sanctity over the territory something
01:23:51.280like this this is our territory we don't want the statue here that's kind of their argument
01:23:54.640here's the thing though when way back in the 1600s when samuel de champlain first arrived
01:24:00.240there was no chippewas of rama there it was a different group called the huron wendat
01:24:04.440and like that's kind of like the tribe he was like you know ganged up with at the time and
01:24:09.260they helped fight against the mohawks i think who were like you know yeah and then bray buff
01:24:13.440john bray buff who was uh putting a you know pot and skinned alive and so on fight the iroquois
01:24:21.080Like the Huron were exterminated by the Iroquois.
01:24:24.060You know, like there's all these tribal warfares and everything that's going on.
01:24:27.720You know, this is what history, like we're not, it's not like no one is an unblemished entity in this regard.
01:24:56.300Maybe they were understandable reasons.
01:24:58.340This kind of way of looking at it, which I think is a lot more insightful than bad, get rid of, we don't want, you know, that around here.
01:25:08.420We're good people because we want to purge all these, you know, images.
01:25:13.160Yeah, it's kind of, I find it really kind of annoying.
01:25:16.240I find the whole thing to be annoying.
01:25:17.340And then you have really, you know, kind of really sort of heartbreaking things where you have people like Egerton Ryerson, who was actually a friend of Aboriginal people and trying to bring education and so on.0.96
01:25:29.560And then he gets like, you know, his statue gets, he gets his head cut off of his statue, put on a pike or whatever.
01:25:37.720It's just like, oh, this is not, if you want to, you know, choose an enemy, like Egerton Ryerson is not the guy that you should be talking about.
01:25:46.180fact-checked egerton rierton again european descent um he was a bad person uh but uh yeah
01:25:54.520i mean it's but it's it's the case with most of these statues i think which is like oh we
01:26:00.220got to tear it down at some colonial white guy here's like one fact about him that isn't perfect
01:26:05.040and it's like why are they doing that anyway i don't understand like like let's just here's this
01:26:10.080guy these good points these bad points let's talk about it why do you have to remove the
01:26:16.100that you i don't want to make it super uh racial francis but like this is kind of a theory that uh
01:26:24.420that i feel is like really tracking really well that i that i've kind of like realized over the
01:26:28.820past few months which is if it comes down all you know environmentalism indigenous issues the
01:26:34.980economy all this different stuff if you boil it all down the far left and the far right it all
01:26:40.180comes down to how do they feel about white people and this is the thing it's like you know like the0.98
01:26:45.860far left is always on the same page like let's tear the white statue down let's disempower you0.71
01:26:50.800know the you know white institutions and like white white white white it's like that's what0.71
01:26:54.960it's all about so it's like these people don't care about the facts of history they don't care0.99
01:27:02.000about the nuance it's like i hate that freaking white guy and we gotta get him out of here because1.00
01:27:08.160white people caused all the problems in the world and like that sounds stupid but i don't know the1.00
01:27:13.460more the more i try to learn what the left believes it's like it just seems like this kind of1.00
01:27:18.580childish identity politics it's identity politics uh i'm on the left myself i don't i don't i i
01:27:26.420completely oppose i don't think it's helpful to look at it in terms of a white black like whatever
01:27:33.780it's if you're going to look at things that are meaningful then look at you know class politics0.61
01:27:38.820which is you know economic matters but no one wants to talk about that because then this would
01:27:45.640be a challenge for these too complicated yeah like let's just like you know have a bunch of
01:27:51.320statues and and let's just do all this kind of performative stuff so that we can appear that
01:27:57.000we're doing something when we're not actually solving any of the problems that are you know1.00
01:28:01.040quite complicated and difficult to figure out like you know how to deal with the remote aboriginal
01:28:06.660communities where you know there's high rates of fetal alcohol syndrome sexual abuse violence1.00
01:28:12.000terrible housing terrible education you know like let's just have a statue that we uh we tear down
01:28:17.540and say hey you know we're good people and we're we're we're fighting oppression when it has done
01:28:21.980nothing to any of the marginalized people uh in the um you know in in in canada you know like
01:28:29.340that's the kind of thing um i think i should probably uh uh we should probably uh just wrap
01:28:34.380minutes because i gotta i gotta get okay i want to ask you one last question because we kind of
01:28:39.980skipped over it and i find this very very profound actually and kind of just correct me if i'm wrong
01:28:46.380your journey of coming to the university actually started or you're you're kind of like bone to pick
01:28:54.900i guess with kind of like the truth around indigenous issues actually started when you
01:29:00.100are working for the government and you started to like realize oh there's they believe in some
01:29:05.560weird stuff and they're kind of slowly starting to push it so then that's when you decided to go
01:29:10.380to university thinking this will be a safer place for me to actually like expose this stuff for being
01:29:16.320bunk yes yep it happened in 1996 that's when albert howard and i wrote our piece uh traditional
01:29:25.500knowledge threatens environmental assessment which is still as true today as it was then
01:29:31.180and then i thought because i got punished by the government because i was you know disloyal to
01:29:36.020their their stuff and i thought oh i should go to the university system and then they'll be
01:29:40.140people will be very interested in what i have to say uh at the universe in the universities
01:29:43.940because uh you know because they're open-minded you thought you're a point of view that is not
01:29:50.660really been expressed and and uh they want to you know diverse viewpoints to consider and so on
01:29:57.780and and you know people were not welcoming to me uh at the university but they they've tolerated me
01:30:05.260so i was tolerated for you know from 1997 to uh 2020 so that was what uh 23 years i was tolerated
01:30:15.020and and when you and when you left that government role you were saying like oh i wasn't like putting
01:30:20.300up with their nonsense or whatever can like can you be more specific like what like did they kick
01:30:23.940you out or were they ushering you out or kind of like yeah so i was suspended i sorry albert and i
01:30:29.060published this article on policy options and in 1996 and when it and i did it as a private citizen
01:30:34.900i didn't do it as a government employee but because uh you're supposed to be loyal to the
01:30:41.360it's called the oath of loyalty you don't have freedom of speech if you work for the government
01:30:47.260uh it looks like and so they suspended me and it was pretty obvious that i wasn't going to be able
01:30:52.940to be rehired and at that i just sort of found throughout like the number of years i was there
01:30:58.700that i didn't really have the personality that was suited to you know being a spin doctor for
01:31:04.060the government so i thought i know some things now that i can tell people about in the university
01:31:11.020system so i'll you know i'll go and do my phd and i will write about this and i will you know i will
01:31:17.820you know become a kind of a critic of the whole thing and and and they kind of worked it worked
01:31:23.500in a very flawed way and then you know 2020 came around and and you know it was over like the whole
01:31:29.740thing collapsed uh and you know maybe it's we can get it back i'm hoping we can get it back but
01:31:46.520It's the University of Lafretchesis, the worst university in Canada.
01:31:51.420I just have never seen anything so completely unmoored from an academic institution in my life.
01:31:57.880And, yeah, we've got three lawsuits against them.
01:32:03.680Three court actions, one about 2023 and their cancellation of my talk, one about 2026 and their issuing of a trespass notice for me having a conversation in the cafeteria and then suing the Faculty Association for their defamatory comments that they posted on their website.
01:32:25.780so it's just like bang bang bang like you people are just just they should be taken over they should
01:32:31.780just be everyone who's in charge should just be you know should be removed from their positions
01:32:36.900and they should just you know start over with the administration because it's just such a
01:32:40.820completely unbelievably unhinged institution well francis thank you so much for being on the show
01:32:47.460we i love your attitude by the way thank you so much this you know this idea of like leaning into
01:32:53.000it pushing into it go go go like we can't be afraid really happy to hear that from you i think
01:32:58.780it's what people need to hear it's what i need to hear so thank you so much for being on the show
01:33:03.300make sure you subscribe to francis's youtube channel make sure you follow her on twitter
01:33:08.600to stay up to date on all of the things with uh what remains cam loops and the mass grave
01:33:15.280deception uh anything else you wanted to promote before you go uh yeah so peter bogosian is coming
01:33:21.540to calgary uh august 24th to 26th we're going into mount royal university we're going to do a
01:33:28.720fireside chat mia hughes is going to be there as well nice and uh it's going to be incredible it's
01:33:34.920going to be it's going to be incredible that event awesome great i'm gonna keep streaming for a
01:33:40.140little bit if you have to go but it was uh thank you so much for coming on okay fight now and fight
01:33:44.980thanks francis talk to you later bye bye awesome there she goes the one and only francis widowson
01:33:55.180um i want to just watch a little bit of the video that she was just paying attention to there and0.96
01:34:00.640then maybe we'll get into some other stuff i guess i've been going for almost like an hour and 45
01:34:04.360minutes but uh that was a great chat with francis really did appreciate her her attitude of like we
01:34:10.840got to lean into this we can't be afraid of this nonsense you know totally agree totally agree um
01:34:17.380let's get that going but i do want to see if i can get some questions at the end of this
01:34:23.500react to some of this here what do i do here like this does that work check check yeah
01:34:31.020let's listen to this telling us they're there this is the first nations leaders discuss afn
01:34:38.300vote on Indian Residential School denialism.
01:34:42.800Let them rest there. So that's what we're trying to do here, making people
01:34:48.740understand. Absolutely, like I want to thank you all for being here. I apologize
01:34:54.060for being a little bit late, but when my bosses are up at the mics talking to me
01:34:58.400about a First Minister's meeting, I had to make sure that we were there
01:35:01.700listening. We want to lift up the Chiefs for their leadership in passing this
01:35:05.620resolution at our assembly. This is the AFN at its best. This resolution reaffirms
01:35:10.840our drive to press Canada to work with First Nations on legislation that
01:35:15.100criminalizes hate speech and denialism because it is about justice, about truth
01:35:20.200and reconciliation. First Nations are stronger today in this country than we
01:35:24.700have ever been before and we know the stronger we get the more hate we receive.
01:35:28.720and every time we have a chiefs meeting i'm telling you my inbox of of hatred on on the truth
01:35:36.840uh you know comes up tenfold hatred on the truth eh hatred on the truth eh very interesting
01:35:45.940what is the truth chiefs again for all right i uh i think i'm just gonna wrap it up here folks
01:35:53.140guys thanks for tuning in um what are we saying in chat here how's everyone doing
01:35:58.160i think we'll probably just wrap it up for the night uh gonna be talking to another dissident
01:36:04.440tomorrow only a few days away till uh bill c9 comes into effect on july 18th uh but big surprise
01:36:12.840tomorrow it'll be 3 p.m eastern time 3 p.m eastern time tomorrow i will be live again with another
01:36:21.760dissident who's it gonna be i will send out the uh thumbnail tomorrow but you will find out it'll
01:36:27.640be very exciting um dren dabb say they busting out the money drum again yeah i don't know what's
01:36:34.840they gotta drum something up that's for sure they gotta drum something up um yeah we'll be
01:36:41.280talking again tomorrow thanks for coming out guys um yeah there's i'm actually working on a
01:42:05.120So, like, yes, they can make it super inconvenient for a certain protest movement or a certain group or a certain activist.
01:42:11.180But it's like everybody else in the country is going to see that.0.98
01:42:15.600And if they see it's just you throwing your dick around, throwing your weight around, you're going to lose legitimacy.0.98
01:42:21.320You're going to you're going to start to look more like some sort of regime, like some sort of authoritarian government.0.99
01:42:28.300It's just frustrating because we already saw it happen.
01:42:31.540We already saw it happen with the convoy.
01:42:33.760So we know the government is capable of this.
01:42:36.300But again, the one thing that I think we have going for us is that the convoy had this kind of hype around it that a lot of people were scared of it and did think it was this horrible thing.
01:42:50.480we'll see but um good question um i fear they're going to crucify jeremy mckenzie with c9 and then
01:42:58.200put it back on the shelf um they're not going to put it back on the shelf dude uh you know
01:43:05.300obviously jeremy comes to mind when it comes to like who to go after with the legislation
01:43:10.100um but putting it back on the shelf i think it's i think it's randy hillier who talked about this
01:43:15.720is like rarely do governments like take bills away they don't like to take laws away they like
01:43:20.180to keep adding and adding and adding because that's just kind of represents more power for
01:43:23.660them more kind of like they get to weaponize it in any direction that they want um but uh yeah
01:43:30.860needless to say it's like it's it's very much you know we are living through history folks we are
01:43:35.180living through history and you know this is kind of why i want to uh counter a lot of the sort of
01:43:41.160um conspiracy slop that i see because i feel like people who can kind of pedal into all these
01:43:49.220conspiracies and stuff again it's not even that it's not necessarily untrue but it's like
01:43:53.640it's all of this stuff is not a foregone conclusion you know it's not a foregone
01:43:59.240conclusion people like to say oh they're just going to do this to go after Jeremy it's like
01:44:02.160well they tried to do that they tried to do that during the convoy what did that actually look like
01:44:06.760you know Jeremy miraculously hired an expensive Toronto lawyer that was able to defend him
01:44:12.640curveball it didn't really work out for them they actually kind of took the L on that one
01:44:18.000But it's only because of the specific details, the specific actions that Jeremy took as an individual to like, you know, navigate that situation.
01:44:28.580Jeremy's situation is just one example of many other, you know, you have Francis Widowson's situation, all these, Archer Pawlowski, all these different situations, like, you know, kind of moving at once.
01:44:39.540There's a lot of different details in there.
01:44:41.560There's a lot of different interplay that can be changed that we can influence, that we can manipulate, that we can push in the right direction.
01:44:51.140So that's why I really don't like this conspiracy stuff because it's almost like this kind of weird like throwing your hands up in the air and like giving up.
01:44:58.600Oh, well, they have all this power, so it's over anyway.
01:45:01.480It's like, well, sure, they're passing these bills, but how are they going to pass it and make it look legitimate?
01:45:06.660it they're going to look like it's going to be clear that it's not that it's not a democracy
01:45:11.460it's going to be clear that it's not a free country if they do this the wrong way they can't
01:45:14.680do it that way so they have to be careful and same with us we have to be on our you know on
01:45:20.140our best behavior we need to be super smart and we need to be winning over the people man we need
01:45:25.660to be cool and popular and we want the average Canadian to be like oh wow like man they're
01:45:31.600throwing these people in jail or like wow they're picking on that guy that guy seemed kind of like0.93
01:45:36.160cool i like huh that my man my government seems fucked up you know like like being as uh you know0.71
01:45:44.660likable presentable relatable as possible is is like really part of our survival at this point0.96
01:45:50.980you know kind of kind of like falling into the rabbit holes acting more and more like resentful
01:45:55.840freaks like that's not gonna help us at all like actually succumbing to this like being resentful
01:46:02.040and actually like coming across like these hateful people like that's that's not going to be good we
01:46:07.440got to have smiles on we got to be charming people we got to we got to welcome people into our world
01:46:12.840to say like hey this is what's happening to us is unjust it's not about being like a victim
01:46:17.100but it's about kind of like pride proudly pushing forward and being like hey i'm in the right
01:46:22.120actually i'm actually the morally righteous one i'm i'm the one who's on the right side of this0.93
01:46:26.360actually you know don't believe in these stupid labels that they're doing to try and uh you know0.80
01:46:32.720to try and demonize everybody who has the wrong politics so yeah but um0.96
01:46:39.620absolutely absolutely hey there's i mean we're in the middle of history right now we we are
01:46:47.700living through history and i'm excited for what's next and i hope to really make an impact this fall
01:46:54.540with the documentary i'm i'm i'm tweaking it i'm i'm changing it to make it really hit hit the
01:47:03.240moment this fall and we are going to we're going to start a movement guys we're going to really0.99
01:47:08.500push and expose these cry babies expose these cry baby journalists and uh their stupid shtick1.00
01:47:16.160their cry bully shtick it's over it's over it's over for them it's not going to work anymore guys1.00
01:47:23.420the masculinity is building in canada the masculine young men the masculine people are
01:47:30.220starting to be like you know what i'm awake now we're actually going to fix this country
01:47:35.460everybody needs to calm down daddy's home daddy's home time to fix this stuff okay
01:47:42.200so i'm feeling optimistic i'm feeling optimistic but again if you want to support what's going on
01:47:49.920If you want to support the upcoming documentary, go to give, send, go.com slash save free speech.
01:47:56.140And yeah, we're going to see you tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern time.
01:48:00.980Surprise, surprise stream, special guest.
01:48:04.360One of the biggest dissidents in the country.
01:48:06.500I'm going to be talking to at 3 p.m. Eastern time tomorrow.
01:48:09.200But until then, we will talk to you soon, folks.