Greg Wycliffe

00:00:00.000 does academic freedom truly exists in canada anymore dr. francis widowson a credentialed

00:00:14.340 political scientist and published author walked into the cafeteria of the university of lethbridge

00:00:19.240 she sat down with the student and asked questions about the kamloops indian residential schools

00:00:25.840 and then she was arrested. She didn't assault anyone. She didn't do anything other than ask

00:00:33.480 questions about a very contentious issue today in Canada. She was arrested and we need to

00:00:40.980 investigate if there is an academic freedom here in Canada. Here's a short clip of what

00:00:49.520 happened just yesterday on the University of Lethbridge campus.

00:00:53.100 ...ademic mission. It allows for all suits to be perpetuated on this campus. Specifically,

00:01:01.540 the remains of 215 children have not been confirmed at the Kamloops City Residential

00:01:07.540 School. This is evidence that was used for genocide. They claimed that Canada was a genocidal

00:01:12.840 country and what happened was that that was found not to be true and we still have this being

00:01:20.200 perpetuated by the university of left bridge professors and that has been given backing by

00:01:26.600 michelle helstein who's the provost of the uh of the institution and as a result there's all

00:01:34.600 sorts of propaganda and indoctrination that's going on and it should not be happening at an

00:01:40.760 An academic institution is a place where you can explore ideas, you can have free speech.

00:01:48.980 Do you have anything in your conference that's really the U.S. and the U.S. dollars?

00:01:56.560 So the University of Lethbridge, this is what you've done, this is what you've done, University of Lethbridge.

00:02:02.860 You have failed as an academic institution. Do not fund the university.

00:02:10.760 i'm here with the one and only francis widowson wow what a scene what a scene um i mean how you

00:02:19.540 doing today that was what not even 24 hours ago about 24 hours ago my wrists are a little sore

00:02:25.600 that's the first time i've been in handcuffs so that was not pleasant i've got to see

00:02:33.000 perhaps it makes me a little bit more sympathetic and empathetic to the uh people who i watch on

00:02:39.320 television or putting those handcuffs but yeah so that was kind of the the biggest you know kind

00:02:44.940 of problem and I was trying to get them to drag me out because I don't want to cooperate with the

00:02:50.460 you know the shutdown of three speech at these campuses I want everyone to have to do the maximum

00:02:55.520 to remove me but of course with cuffs when you're being dragged out in cuffs

00:03:01.520 you you start to you can get injured you can get seriously injured and I was my shoulder was really

00:03:07.960 not liking it uh you've been this seems like a new low for canada that uh you know the scene here

00:03:15.740 it's not it's not really an event it's you guys just kind of having coffee um

00:03:22.800 and and so let's actually back for uh go backwards a little bit because it all started

00:03:31.720 with a trespass notice uh in terms of this kind of like this recent week obviously you've had a

00:03:37.560 couple of big episodes at the university of lethbridge in the past one a couple years ago

00:03:42.340 and then one earlier this year but uh let's kind of go back in time i guess it was the beginning

00:03:48.360 of the week and you said that you were going to be on campus and that's kind of like where

00:03:51.720 everything started right so let's let's kind of tell the whole story from there yeah so uh

00:03:57.060 i february 4th i was there with tony hall doing a specter street epistemology session

00:04:04.760 and the university and i was people keep on saying i'm going in there to create a big

00:04:11.020 confrontation and so on this is not this is not valid because in that case i didn't announce i

00:04:18.360 didn't make a post or anything i wanted to just have this thing with uh tony hall as a professor

00:04:23.160 emeritus there and i honestly thought it was going to be fine i but what happened was that

00:04:29.180 the university because i just was telling people about it was about an hour before that i was going

00:04:33.380 to be there to get them to come. The university sent out this email to all faculty and students

00:04:39.700 saying that a controversial figure is going to be on campus with ideas that were upsetting

00:04:47.360 and disrespectful. And this led a bunch of students to hunt me down and just began to

00:04:53.880 completely disrupt it. And I was having this really wonderful interaction with a student at

00:04:58.060 this time and it got shut down by these deranged activist students and as a result of that the

00:05:06.360 craziness that went down the police eventually pulled me out for my safety they said so i never

00:05:13.100 heard any mention of trespass or anything it was for my safety they pulled me out they reunited me

00:05:18.940 with my husband who was quite uh freaked out by everything that had happened and then they took us

00:05:25.480 the police van back to where we were living or where we were staying at the time so it was like

00:05:30.680 thank you very much see you later no mention of trespass no ticket no nothing nothing like that

00:05:35.880 so then uh this week i was you know i was kind of hinting to the i wanted to go in

00:05:41.720 without people knowing about it but uh and i was kind of i couldn't resist kind of bugging like

00:05:49.640 teasing them a little bit so i was kind of teasing the university of lethbridge saying you know

00:05:55.480 I'm going to be coming in at some point.

00:05:57.520 And then I wanted to really tease them.

00:05:59.060 So I sent an email to the administrators who were involved saying, hey, I'm going to be here for coffee.

00:06:06.740 Why don't we meet?

00:06:07.960 You know, you can tell me your concerns.

00:06:10.220 And at that point, Michelle Helstein, who's the provost, she sent me an email saying, you can't be on campus because you're under a trespass.

00:06:18.840 Your trespass notice is still in operation.

00:06:22.640 And I said, what?

00:06:23.440 trespass notice what are you talking about and then she sent me this trespass notice that was

00:06:29.140 dated February 4th but I can't see how it it seems to me to be an after the fact kind of thing that

00:06:36.700 they've done about it and how are you not aware of the trespass notice from from February they

00:06:43.980 never they never let me know about it they didn't they didn't say anything about it

00:06:47.840 huh so it's only after you emailed them to say hey just so you know i might be meeting some

00:06:54.980 students on campus for a coffee it's only after you emailed the faculty about this that they then

00:07:01.140 sent back oh well here's the trespassing notice for your arrest yes or that you are not you can't

00:07:08.940 come on campus if you do you will be um you know dealt with by the law and they said in the trespass

00:07:15.740 notice that it was because i had caused this this terrible disruption which had made a you know

00:07:24.500 threat to safety but of course they were the ones that caused the disruption because they sent out

00:07:29.060 that email to all these students who then took it upon themselves to really act in an unbelievable

00:07:36.520 manner doing things like holding up a cell phone with the words we hope your ears bleed and things

00:07:45.340 like that like physic like you know just really wanting to have physical harm they uh assault they

00:07:52.260 were engaged in intimidation and assault and they they uh we were sitting at a table with old tony's

00:07:57.880 papers and they ripped the tablecloth off and they threw tony's papers all over the place

00:08:04.540 you know through the table the table was there and then the table had disappeared so they were

00:08:11.020 doing all sorts of illegal activities at the time because they did not want this evidence-based

00:08:18.660 exercise to take place on the campus evidence is really dangerous stuff we're going to uh read it

00:08:29.180 let's read this university of lethbridge faculty association individual on campus alert that's

00:08:36.220 crazy there's an individual on campus it's like oh are they armed do they have a gun are they

00:08:42.440 dangerous dear members it has come to our attention that francis widowson they actually

00:08:47.780 named you here they usually don't even name you right they usually don't name me they guard they're

00:08:51.300 doing that now all right so uh valdemort is on campus students an individual with a past history

00:08:57.560 of causing disruptions on campus has announced she will be on the lethbridge campus of the uh

00:09:03.500 university of lethbridge today uf la affirms the importance of academic freedom i love

00:09:09.800 all of our institutions do this they they start off by saying you know yeah people are worried

00:09:16.140 about free speech we care about free speech the most but also we're taking it away from you

00:09:20.320 uh we affirm the importance of academic freedom and open inquiry as articulated in article 11 of

00:09:26.500 the collective agreement at the same time members also have rights under the collective agreement

00:09:32.940 and applicable legislation, including the Alberta Occupational Health and Safety Act to work in an

00:09:38.580 environment free from harassment, discrimination, and other threats to health and safety. Based

00:09:43.940 upon reasonable expectations from experience and member safety concerns, ULFA considers the

00:09:49.740 presence of this individual to be a clear health and safety risk to this workplace and an

00:09:54.940 inappropriate disruption of our academic work. Wow. It sounds like you're banging on like,

00:10:00.420 you know banging on their doors at their at their offices terrorizing them uh but you're just having

00:10:08.420 having coffee with the uh with the student in the cafeteria pretty low key um let's finish this

00:10:14.240 information we have received from the employer is that francis spelled your name wrong by the way

00:10:19.080 uh will be issued will be issued a trespass notice if she enters campus we encourage members

00:10:24.480 to file a health. Wow. We encourage members to file a health and safety report and or contact 0.58

00:10:31.400 your dean if you find their presence to be harmful or disruptive. Wow. That's really bad.

00:10:38.760 The last part is important too because they warn them that I will do a freedom of information

00:10:44.580 request and they should avoid kind of talking about this in the email with administration.

00:10:50.220 Oh, wow. Yeah, you're right. Please note that Francis spelled your name wrong again.

00:10:54.480 has and may file a freedom of information request and could publish any emails naming her between

00:10:59.520 senior administration and any member of the community. Wow. Hey guys, don't, don't email

00:11:05.440 each other with anything that might make us look bad. Um, what, what stands out to me is encouraging

00:11:11.720 people to file a health and safety report. Uh, if you find their presence to be harmful and

00:11:19.120 disruptive part of my language but what the fuck does that mean 0.93

00:11:22.880 sorry i'm trying to be uh you know trying to make a family-friendly show but uh what what does that 0.97

00:11:29.840 mean um and it's uh it's really um it's getting people to see me as this kind of almost a terrorist

00:11:37.140 like it's that's what you'd sort of thing you would do if you thought there was a violent person

00:11:41.420 who could you know have some kind of serious harm that they could possibly engage in so the whole

00:11:47.580 thing is a is meant to paint me as an odious person who who really has no place on their

00:11:54.760 campus it really it is this is the worst i've ever seen in my life and i've seen a lot so that

00:12:02.360 university of lethbridge you have excelled you are as i've said an absolute insane asylum you

00:12:10.560 are an insane asylum what you're doing it's just it's just beyond it's beyond belief and i i just

00:12:16.220 i cannot believe what they've done like they just are completely unhinged yeah and

00:12:22.440 it's been said before but it should be reiterated i'm sorry really quick thank you so much for the

00:12:29.740 massive super chats from silverman and buddy with 50 thank you so much sir and then also a super

00:12:37.300 chat from simple person 313 with 70 thank you so much for uh for the support we love francis

00:12:46.820 She says, thanks, Greg Wycliffe from Alberta.

00:12:48.960 Absolutely, with another $14.

00:12:50.760 Thank you for the Super Chats.

00:12:51.620 If you have any questions for Francis Whittowson, put them in the chat

00:12:54.420 or send in a Super Chat to make sure that I see it.

00:12:57.040 But, yeah, it should be emphasized that your stance isn't really that radical either.

00:13:04.240 It's kind of disappointing.

00:13:05.220 It's like maybe if you were saying something like more out there,

00:13:07.920 but you're just kind of very confidently saying,

00:13:12.640 I don't think there's evidence for this Kamloops claim.

00:13:16.020 and uh i i feel like i should be able to ask questions about that and the response is pretty

00:13:23.820 insecure the establishment to say the least uh it should be pretty easy to kind of clear that up

00:13:30.120 but um did you ever think it would get to this point when you started to kind of be more outspoken

00:13:35.120 about this issue like a year or so ago or more uh well lethbridge lethbridge one i'll go lethbridge

00:13:42.120 one which is different from lethbridge two well actually now this is lethbridge three so there's

00:13:45.960 been three episodes with the university of lethbridge and there's going to be more uh

00:13:51.960 because i they are now they've distinguished themselves in in terms of being this

00:13:56.280 a completely batshit crazy entity um i i it makes me more drawn to them and this is kind of got this

00:14:03.880 you know and now when i if i can just get the government to act uh this is going to be it

00:14:10.200 Because Alberta, of course, we have very robust protections for this in Alberta comparatively to the rest of Canada.

00:14:18.200 So if we're going to win on this university front, this is going to be it.

00:14:23.740 And they're so nuts that they've done these crazy things that make it, it really does show that they don't want to have ideas that are challenging to the people who are in control of this institution.

00:14:38.360 so i i knew things were really bad uh you know especially in 2020 and then when 2023 came along

00:14:47.840 and i went to the university university of lethbridge one that's when i was met by about

00:14:53.540 700 people and that was the first kind of mob scene that i had uh participated in so that was

00:15:02.500 something's terribly awry

00:15:04.940 that was my

00:15:05.760 but it hadn't yet

00:15:07.160 see I can just keep on pushing it

00:15:09.640 so you push it

00:15:11.180 and it causes them to react

00:15:13.300 and then they do something crazier

00:15:15.420 then you push it again

00:15:16.780 so it's this kind of escalating

00:15:19.500 kind of situation that's happening

00:15:21.780 which I will push them

00:15:23.300 to the end

00:15:24.680 I will not stop

00:15:26.640 and so they're just like making me more

00:15:29.020 determined to go back in there

00:15:30.780 which you know i'm just trying to i'm trying to strategize as to how to do this now because i've

00:15:36.200 already kind of i've had these kind of stages and this one about the coffee which i thought was

00:15:41.760 going to be a really good kind of go under the radar kind of thing and then i would just do the

00:15:46.820 coffee and then have the street epistemology that i'd be talking to someone about a student

00:15:52.380 and then i talk about it afterwards so as not to and say hey look how like low-key this was why is

00:15:59.600 everyone getting so upset about all this but because of samar paul who i just found out this

00:16:06.380 morning he was the plant he was posing as a student and he let all the authorities know

00:16:12.180 that i was on campus he's got a tiktok video about it where he's boasting about it he this guy

00:16:19.080 you know he should really be ashamed of himself but he seems to be really proud

00:16:25.040 wait do you know it sorry do you know his uh tiktok account he's boasting about how he like 0.99

00:16:30.780 got you in trouble yes what a loser um what an absolute loser you know i i was of the of the 1.00

00:16:40.080 of your your your circle a beta male who's trying to get have sex with uh women who won't have sex 1.00

00:16:47.460 with them otherwise i've been this is a this is sort of off topic but i've been thinking about 0.85

00:16:53.160 But, like, you know, how can a self-respecting man, like, you know, adopt these viewpoints?

00:16:57.420 And I'm like, oh, they're trying to get laid.

00:16:59.020 I mean, that makes sense.

00:17:00.580 Yeah, no, he's there with another seriously, you know, kind of authoritarian personality.

00:17:06.960 And she was really impressed, I'm sure, by his going to the authorities and telling me that I was going to be on campus and getting that all set up.

00:17:14.900 Phone the police.

00:17:16.020 Phone the police, too, just because he didn't think they were acting quickly enough, the security guard.

00:17:22.300 because i actually engaged with the security guard for quite some time which was really good

00:17:26.220 too there's a lot of really good things that happened at the university of lethbridge which

00:17:30.620 showed the the insanity of that institution so uh people in chat are saying so the guy talking

00:17:38.300 with you was a plant it wasn't like there wasn't the guy talking it was somebody else hanging

00:17:42.780 around yeah so okay i i knew about this guy sam or paul like i knew his face can sorry can you

00:17:50.380 spell it because i kind of want to look it up on s-a-m-a-r s-a-m-a-r yeah and then paul i don't

00:17:58.440 know i just know what we talked about he did a video of the february 4th episode so i was aware

00:18:04.660 of him but i i you know i it's kind of funny because i i'm quite naive sometimes and i i was

00:18:10.460 so happy to hear from a person claiming to be a student that i was like oh wow this is fantastic

00:18:16.720 there's students at the university of lethbridge you want to hear about spectrum street epistemology

00:18:21.200 so i was taking it i you know it was like confirmation bias where i i wanted to hear

00:18:25.440 he was saying things i wanted to hear so i got really taken in by the whole thing and told him

00:18:31.120 you know what my plans were which he then relayed to the authorities and that's what he did but 0.99

00:18:37.920 fortunately the university of lethbridge is not only insane it's really stupid so it just did the 0.99

00:18:44.640 stupidest thing that i could possibly do which was to let me into the cafeteria like why would 0.99

00:18:52.080 they do that why didn't they arrest me outside why did they let me go in 0.99

00:19:01.040 was it a cry for help like maybe they want this to be shown so they can rein in their

00:19:07.200 faculty association because the real problem is the university of lethbridge faculty association

00:19:13.200 the union it was a union that wrote that crazy what is it individual person alert individual

00:19:19.960 on campus alert that was a union so maybe the administration is crying for is like crying for

00:19:26.640 help please help us we can't control this union and it's causing us all these problems so you

00:19:31.720 think it's suspicious that they even let you on campus to begin with yeah why they knew i was

00:19:36.540 coming at one samar paul told them so they were waiting i i had some you know i i was still in

00:19:44.720 the dark about samar paul so i was you know i was i was trying to be a covert i got my hat like my

00:19:51.480 ridiculous hat on so i was i was all in disguise and i was i was you know i was trying to hide in

00:19:57.600 the in the trees to make sure i wasn't spotted before you know things started to get in motion

00:20:02.720 because I thought they'd be scouring the university for me,

00:20:06.140 wondering where I was, because that's what they did the first time.

00:20:10.060 That was the thing that the previous day, because of this notice,

00:20:14.700 I was with Morgan, who's an independent journalist.

00:20:17.820 He was with me.

00:20:18.600 We drove down.

00:20:19.600 Kathy Drake was inside, having confrontations with security.

00:20:25.540 about so morgan and i are parked in my car in front of the campus directory sign on friday

00:20:34.500 just kind of having a live stream and talking to kathy and before we know it there's these

00:20:39.220 two paddy wagons that have come and are behind us and come to the window and are giving me like

00:20:46.100 telling me that they they know uh they i know about the trespass and i'm not if i i shouldn't

00:20:52.180 go into the university there's going to be terrible things that happen if i go to the university

00:20:56.500 and i'm going no no i'm not i have no plans today to go into the university because i want to get

00:21:00.740 all the everything in motion before i was going to make my move the next day

00:21:06.740 i really like try to blow it all open but the the university let me in to the cafeteria and

00:21:13.140 sit down and i was i was there with edward so that was edward great guy he just wants to help

00:21:18.900 you know deal with the university's totalitarianism so he came from he came quite a distance actually

00:21:24.580 to come and talk to me and i'm really glad he was there because if he if he wasn't there then

00:21:30.740 i wouldn't have had someone there to to kind of show the street epistemology method

00:21:35.060 which was very very good to do and i was talking to the security guard for a long time trying to

00:21:40.100 convince him not to exercise the trespass order because at thompson rivers university which is

00:21:47.380 Steve Pottle who's the guy in charge of safety he gave me the trespass notice and I said I'm not

00:21:54.020 going I'm staying and he just hung back and watched to make sure nothing untoward happened

00:22:02.100 so he could have done that the security guard could have done that but he told me that the

00:22:06.900 administration had directed him to exercise the order he had to do it because he had orders to

00:22:13.940 do it and he he didn't have discretion as to whether to do it or not do it uh squirrel nuts

00:22:19.680 420 in chat is saying you had to cross the threshold before it was trespassing no no just

00:22:26.320 if i put my foot on the sidewalk in my car like i was in my car with morgan and we're we're in

00:22:32.780 front of the uh we're in front of the campus directory and if i just like open the door and

00:22:37.020 put my my foot on the sidewalk um that would have been trespassed and just being in my car

00:22:43.260 on the property they told me after I tried to leave was trespassing in this area because I

00:22:49.260 thought I was not really on campus because I was in front of the directory sign so like there's

00:22:54.900 all the buildings and you can look so you're not really entered into campus yet they're they're

00:22:58.560 telling you where all the different parts of the campus are but they'd say no in this area they're

00:23:03.600 giving me this map this is university and don't come into that area that's gonna be terrible

00:23:11.480 things that are gonna happen and so it was it's just it's beyond belief what's happening and i

00:23:18.460 can't i find it quite amusing often and i i just can't stop laughing but it's kind of serious too

00:23:26.400 at the same it's it's laughable and funny but at the same time it's also scary because it's a it's

00:23:33.360 a police state it's a police state environment that's what they're doing they're creating a

00:23:37.260 police state like why do you need two paddy wagons to come it's like the presence of the state

00:23:42.960 this is what you're gonna get yeah it's state authority it's state authority and there's

00:23:49.020 there's just so many uh ridiculous things about it you know i i don't understand how these

00:23:54.580 communists work because it's like sorry not to call them communists i know diversity equity and 0.55

00:24:00.420 inclusion bureaucrats bureaucrats yeah they're bureaucrats diversicrats i like calling them

00:24:07.640 diversicrats diversicrats yes well what i find funny about it though is like a lot of them are

00:24:13.080 like we're we're gonna fight the man we're gonna fight the man it's like you're calling on the man

00:24:17.060 you're calling the man and saying hey we don't like this person arrest them use your state

00:24:21.020 authority crush this person with your the power of the state and it's like the state is on your

00:24:27.980 side how do you think that you're like fighting the man when you're like this beta male samar

00:24:35.240 paul i found his video by the way yeah it's really it's kind of it really it really did sorry did

00:24:41.380 you watch his video yes okay cool so if i play it then you'll know what he's talking about because

00:24:46.480 you won't be able to hear the audio it was very upsetting when i first heard it because i thought

00:24:49.620 oh my god this is just this guy's proud of what he's done oh yeah well so and you know to kind of

00:24:56.620 take a brief uh kind of detour into this topic um these people get to be marvel superheroes when

00:25:03.500 they when they you know stop the bad man stop the valdemort like you and expose them uh like

00:25:08.620 this is really like them playing out a sort of marvel superhero fantasy where they are the

00:25:12.720 the hero um and what's fascinating about it is and and ever since ever since getting into politics

00:25:22.280 I've seen this phenomenon happen where the smear the mischaracterization the lie the small lie it

00:25:30.060 takes on this life of its own and it just kind of whips people up into this frenzy and like the

00:25:34.920 actual like truth of the matter is never really addressed and it's like the sort of lie the

00:25:39.520 caricature that's created where you have like these devil horns like that becomes the truth

00:25:43.960 for people it becomes like their perception is that and it really wants truth and reconciliation

00:25:49.780 why are they turning a blind eye on this um well they don't want truth and reconciliation

00:25:56.120 and first of all we have to separate out the neo-tribal elites the leadership from the ordinary

00:26:03.280 regular aboriginal people who don't get any benefit from this at all and in fact are going

00:26:07.920 to suffer terribly because of what's going on and the lawyers and consultants who are all benefiting

00:26:13.680 they want to foment grievances the aboriginal industry does so they can divert funding to 0.94

00:26:19.860 themselves and that's what they're doing right all right should we should we uh dive into this 0.64

00:26:26.640 samar video this is really painful this is painful all right i'll i'll put up his uh

00:26:33.080 here's his tiktok if people want to look it up you can see it here

00:26:36.600 all right this looks like the one here let's go let's get ready

00:26:42.500 um here goes nothing

00:26:45.460 that's francis widdowson being carried out by the police for a second time at the uofl campus

00:26:53.060 now you might be wondering how this happened and why there wasn't a big uproar this time

00:26:56.740 well it's because of a little something i called emailing her and asking what her plans are

00:27:03.700 back in february she posted okay pause this is like this uh this is so weird um

00:27:11.600 why wasn't there an uproar it's because emailing her and asking where her plans are this is terrible

00:27:16.800 uh let's keep going to this image onto x which i replied to somehow got connected with her i

00:27:24.680 emailed francis asked her what her plans were she's like i'm hosting an event sometime in march

00:27:28.700 or april that was back in february she didn't respond to me for like a month and a half

00:27:32.680 it's fine i thought i had been ghosted or she figured out who i am because i emailed her with

00:27:39.720 my actual email which has my name in it and if you google my name the first thing you will find

00:27:45.060 is my politics account oh my god this is so self-important i have posted is a video called 0.96

00:27:50.520 fuck off francis maybe you should have vetted the people that responded to your emails better 0.98

00:28:01.600 perhaps i thought she had ghosted maybe because she didn't respond for a month and a half but 0.99

00:28:06.420 then last week i got this email from her asking if i could have coffee on friday i replied i'm

00:28:11.780 like sure where and when because i want to know what she's doing uh and basically she's used me

00:28:19.340 as a stalking horse the entire time in all of her she's she's used me as a stalking horse the

00:28:25.720 entire time what the hell does that mean can you decode that um i think see i i've been discussing

00:28:33.260 his commentary

00:28:35.080 and this was the February

00:28:37.120 4th episode

00:28:39.500 so he did a video about

00:28:41.200 the thing on February 4th

00:28:43.060 and I was you know kind of

00:28:45.120 criticizing it and commenting on it

00:28:47.200 and I should have noticed his name

00:28:49.360 there when I was doing it on but I

00:28:51.080 I just I wanted to believe so much

00:28:53.340 there was a student who wanted to do this

00:28:54.880 and there are students who do want to do that there was one there

00:28:57.180 actually but I just

00:28:58.940 I wanted to believe it so I was very

00:29:01.380 I was just

00:29:02.760 Wait, can you guys hear us or you can't hear the TikTok or what?

00:29:08.120 People in chat are saying there's no sound.

00:29:11.180 She has clips of saying like, oh, I'm supposed to meet with a student for coffee.

00:29:14.580 It looks like it's coming through here.

00:29:18.000 Sound is fine for me.

00:29:19.140 Okay.

00:29:19.480 People are freaking out.

00:29:21.580 She has clips of saying.

00:29:23.380 But so did this guy show up and meet you or what?

00:29:26.760 No, not meet me.

00:29:27.560 I saw him.

00:29:28.400 It's kind of funny because I arrived.

00:29:29.740 So here I am blissfully unaware of this guy is trying to set me up and stuff and is relaying all the information to the authorities.

00:29:38.860 So I come in and I see Edward because I'd already been introduced to Edward, who's not a student.

00:29:44.140 He works in the homeless with the homeless and stuff, but he's really concerned about the University of Labbridge.

00:29:50.660 So he's there sitting down. So I went, oh, there's Edward.

00:29:53.900 And I thought that was great because now I can go and I can sit down.

00:29:56.820 so i sit down with edward and as i'm going by i see that guy the guy samar samar but i don't

00:30:05.920 know what samar i think samar is somewhere there who's a student somewhere and i go oh there's that

00:30:10.960 guy from the tiktok videos that that that that totalitarian but i i didn't put two to two together

00:30:17.680 but i was so happy that edward was there i thought well maybe this guy's just i i was pretty sure he

00:30:23.300 he was there for you know to take me you know criticize me or whatever but i didn't really care

00:30:29.380 because i wanted to talk to edward and so i'm sitting with edward and that's when i started

00:30:32.020 doing everything and so um after the fact when i was checking out tick tock this morning i guess

00:30:41.060 that's when i found out that he was he was the guy he was some more full and he was he was not

00:30:46.900 as i don't think he's a student i think he's just a a person who wants to stop denialists from

00:30:53.300 coming to the university maybe he is a student i don't know i don't i don't know anything about

00:30:57.280 no no no it's back to our theory samar is just trying to get laid yes who was saying uh so he's

00:31:06.240 with this woman and and and when i was talking to edward he thought she was the the one doing it but

00:31:11.080 samar was boasting about how he was doing it so maybe she was doing it like relating to the

00:31:15.660 authorities and then when they both you can see it on mocha's video you can see them both walking

00:31:21.660 together when i'm going to be about to be put in the paddy wagon so they're both walking together

00:31:27.560 that's the woman he's trying to impress with his you know his uh his uh what is it snitching and

00:31:34.680 uh you know being a dishonest person so that he can you know and she said something like edward

00:31:42.700 told me justice will serve you know or something like that that's what she said to him is this our

00:31:49.820 friend over here on the left yes that's him there he is there he is and he's with a woman

00:31:57.860 and there's a police you see the guy behind him that's a plainclothes police officer

00:32:02.480 oh really over here interesting yeah but he was with a woman they're walking together i don't

00:32:08.920 understand i don't understand how you can watch a scene like this watch the person get arrested

00:32:15.640 and think like yeah i'm on the right i'm on the right side of this one for sure

00:32:20.280 good i'm glad that woman got arrested it's that's so weird and the other bizarre thing that samar

00:32:27.460 said was he was getting annoyed because i was spending so time so much time explaining things

00:32:34.140 to the security guard so i'm explaining the security guard what i'm trying to do

00:32:38.420 and samar is upset because he wants me to be arrested right away and not not be able to

00:32:45.520 explain myself or to try to let people know what what i'm trying to do and and then he said at the

00:32:53.180 end what took us six hours in february 4th we i did in a in 15 minutes or something like that i

00:33:02.420 you know i took care of that one for the university of lethbridge got rid of this uh you know this

00:33:08.500 toxic individuals trying to discuss the the claim about cam loops it was when i first saw that

00:33:15.280 video I felt just generally depressed because I thought oh like this guy like the fact that this

00:33:22.720 is kind of the mentality here which is just so awful and he's boasting about it this is but you

00:33:31.120 you you're giving him meaning though you know what I mean like there's there is something that's

00:33:35.680 I know but it's not good positive people get meaning from being such a a snitch and a beta 0.99

00:33:42.700 male who wants to like do this stupid stuff so that he can you know like you should be you should 0.99

00:33:49.160 have hey francis people because game is game okay if he has to shit on denialists to try and get a 1.00

00:33:58.640 date then that's what he's gonna do you know it's bad it's bad it's a sneaky fucker it's a sneaky 1.00

00:34:03.880 fucker, this is what they're called, sneaky fuckers, lizards who pretend to be women so 1.00

00:34:09.560 that they can, oh sorry, female lizards, it's male lizards who pretend to be female lizards 1.00

00:34:14.420 so they can get access to the females.

00:34:16.160 I haven't seen this whole video of Samar, should I watch the rest of it, is it worth

00:34:20.020 it or am I going to get more depressed?

00:34:22.600 It is very depressing, it is very depressing.

00:34:25.440 We'll keep watching it, trying to get some levity here.

00:34:28.720 Here I am, this is where we got the police coming to visit us because some of the

00:34:33.860 Samar has let them know that we're around.

00:34:38.300 Right.

00:34:38.860 All right.

00:34:39.180 I'm going to, just for the people watching,

00:34:42.080 I'm going to try to turn up the audio a bit

00:34:44.980 because people were saying it was quiet before

00:34:46.680 because Samar here, beta male, is kind of quiet. 0.99

00:34:50.400 Yep. 1.00

00:34:51.160 Let's keep watching.

00:34:52.280 He's got a soft voice.

00:34:54.180 All right.

00:34:56.900 Oh, I'm supposed to meet with a student for coffee.

00:34:59.000 I'm going to talk to him about street-level epistemology.

00:35:01.480 there there was no actual student bruh the student was me if i just been gone in and had coffee with

00:35:09.720 the student and showed him my street epistemology coasters what would have happened she asked for

00:35:17.960 my phone number of course i didn't want to give her my actual phone number since i had made a

00:35:21.300 blunder of giving her my actual email i set up a fake little phone account um using like a burner

00:35:27.400 phone app and messaged her through that she has to meet me on friday for coffee as a little event

00:35:33.800 now i took off security and the provost and the cops about this and for some reason the faculty

00:35:39.480 association sent out a letter and somehow that letter made its way to francis's inbox so she

00:35:44.360 called off the friday event her backup plan for this was to bring a journalist down from calgary

00:35:50.120 and go on saturday where he could record the whole thing now let's go shout out smoke a bezergon

00:35:55.800 let's freaking go um sorry let's continue of course i then given this information i called

00:36:02.560 security this morning i told them about it and they're like yeah we're aware thank you for the

00:36:06.160 information we didn't exactly know where and when but i gave them oh yeah she's going to be at the

00:36:10.800 campus coffee place at 1 p.m today uh so okay pause i mean just look at this scene up here

00:36:18.700 you're talking to a student

00:36:21.580 he's not a student

00:36:22.840 he was Edward

00:36:24.800 so he works on his own

00:36:26.140 okay so just somebody who wants to talk to you

00:36:29.120 and this is the security guard

00:36:31.580 yep

00:36:32.360 and then this is Mocha recording you

00:36:34.660 and then this is Samar's P.O.P. recording the whole thing

00:36:37.960 oh my gosh

00:36:40.120 fascinating

00:36:44.380 alright let's get through this

00:36:46.600 and I went

00:36:48.400 with not a disguise on because she doesn't know what I look like I just didn't make contact with

00:36:53.300 her I just sat down relatively near her and started filming she had apparently brought like

00:36:57.780 four or five people along and they were also filming along with the journalist as soon as

00:37:01.820 she came in I had my friend go call the security guard he came immediately and then uh he just

00:37:08.340 began talking to her I'm not he he kind of got into it with her like about the residential school

00:37:13.980 stuff and i was getting frustrated with that a bit so then i went to go call the police because

00:37:18.540 i thought the security guard was going to call the cops which i think they had already and he

00:37:23.160 might have just been stalling her um but anyway he's like i she started this guy literally just

00:37:30.840 said she started talking about the residential school things and like i wanted to call the cops

00:37:36.000 about it obviously naturally i just wanted to call the cops because they started talking about

00:37:40.720 the residential schools he's like he's like and she was explaining it like oh i can't believe

00:37:47.020 scoffing at the idea of you like explaining this topic wild oh uh 0.97

00:37:54.720 yeah useful idiot getting his airtime of fame yeah this is this is uh this is 15 minutes right 0.99

00:38:01.560 here let's finish his 15 minutes so we can move on get this guy off my effing screen um yeah the 1.00

00:38:07.800 cops show up put her in cuffs she again refuses to walk and they drag her away

00:38:12.820 what's the conclusion samar what's the conclusion what are we gonna take away from this

00:38:21.900 justice what took six hours last time took me some emailing and 30 minutes so

00:38:30.820 that's okay that's that's crazy i know that that's he when i saw that this morning and i still was

00:38:40.900 under i know someone knew about it and was telling the authorities but i didn't know and i still

00:38:47.860 thought he was a student and i was kind of still thinking my mind you know it's really sad i didn't

00:38:52.840 get to meet that student and i didn't have that interaction you know that's kind of with my mind

00:38:56.500 And then when I saw that, I thought, oh, and at first of all, it was kind of, you know, that someone would be so feel so satisfied that they had done this kind of what I consider to be a terrible thing.

00:39:08.000 Like, I really think it was terrible.

00:39:10.520 And then I was like, well, this is where we are.

00:39:14.060 You know, I just hope he's not a student.

00:39:16.280 I don't think he is a student.

00:39:17.600 But I think if you go to that clip of Mocha's thing, you'll see him walking out with the woman that he was with.

00:39:25.420 we are not gonna talk about samar anymore okay we're gonna move on from this that's like more

00:39:31.980 than enough time on that um but i mean but at the same time it does really reflect this this

00:39:39.000 attitude of uh he's a he's a good example of a weird example right of of these people who

00:39:44.260 yeah i don't know i kind of like the marvel superhero explanation where for some reason

00:39:48.880 they think this is some sort of like moral action you know he's he's he got you thrown in

00:39:54.840 the back of a paddy wagon uh you know it it's it's crazy how not not this not to sound like

00:40:02.780 too much like jordan peterson or something but it's like you know the the foundations of western

00:40:07.120 civilization and like you know free speech and like you know being able to have these discussions

00:40:11.680 this doesn't hit the radar of these people at all you know like it's like not at all as a sort of

00:40:19.700 thing uh for them because i guess they've been indoctrinated so much with this idea of harm

00:40:26.200 harm uh let's actually go let's bring up the um the notice from the let the the person notice

00:40:35.240 because there's a few very interesting words in there that we've seen a lot

00:40:38.900 uh one of them being and just to distress because i made this mistake too i thought this notice was

00:40:46.640 from the university that's was my that's what i was told by the professor who told me about it

00:40:52.340 that the university put this out it wasn't the university it was the union and that's a big

00:40:58.400 that's more alarming than the university doing it because the union is the entity that's supposed

00:41:04.220 to protect academic freedom and freedom of expression and the fact that the unions are

00:41:09.260 not playing the role that they need to be playing has that's accelerated the totalitarianism so

00:41:15.640 it's really a fundamental problem that's before our eyes that we're seeing and that's why i think

00:41:21.480 why did the university allow me into the cafeteria it was almost like the university wanted that to

00:41:28.660 be exposed or something i like i just don't it doesn't make sense to me why they would do that

00:41:34.720 because it would obviously allow me to show that i wasn't a threat if i was coming into the you know

00:41:42.080 into the cafeteria i don't know it's an open question because that doesn't make sense that

00:41:48.060 why they allowed that to happen yeah yeah not at all um and so i guess the inversion kind of is

00:41:55.900 if anything you would want the union you would want the union to stand up for the rights of

00:42:02.300 professors but in this case this is the union saying oh my god there's there's another there's

00:42:07.260 a foreign professor here. There's a rogue

00:42:09.160 professor. Voldemort professor

00:42:11.220 is on campus.

00:42:13.540 I did like Jonathan K's

00:42:15.460 summary

00:42:17.200 here. Faculty

00:42:19.220 Association at U of Lethbridge

00:42:21.420 urges members to spam

00:42:23.100 the school's health and safety line because

00:42:25.220 someone is coming to talk about the fact that

00:42:27.260 those 250 number of graves in Kamloops

00:42:29.280 don't exist. They don't. They call

00:42:31.100 discussion of this issue a

00:42:32.980 clear health and safety risk.

00:42:36.560 Wow.

00:42:37.260 what are the other words

00:42:40.120 we have in here

00:42:41.920 and you know

00:42:44.440 the doublespeak of

00:42:45.540 we affirm the importance

00:42:47.240 of academic freedom

00:42:48.160 but

00:42:50.000 at the same time

00:42:51.540 at the same time

00:42:52.920 we have rights

00:42:53.780 under the collective agreement

00:42:54.940 and applicable legislation

00:42:55.840 including that

00:42:56.520 Alberta Occupational Health

00:42:58.180 and Safety Act

00:42:59.240 to work in an environment

00:43:00.300 free from harassment

00:43:01.880 discrimination

00:43:03.500 and other threats

00:43:05.540 to health and safety

00:43:06.540 yep pretty light on the details there but it's just like again again the kind of caricature

00:43:12.720 the implication of harm the implication of all these horrible things and obviously it's a huge

00:43:19.740 obfuscation of uh the fact that you're just there to talk about residential schools and the 250

00:43:27.360 non-marked graves claim um where are we at with with that because you know obviously you're pushing

00:43:34.720 the line here um but has there we're going to talk about frank uh sorry we're going to talk

00:43:40.320 about danielle smith in a second because people have started to pressure her and i think that's

00:43:43.300 really important we're gonna we're gonna it's the most important thing of all we're gonna end with

00:43:47.340 that but before we get to that has there been any sort of movement when it comes to the unmarked

00:43:53.360 graves claim um is there anybody aside from yourself who's really trying to uh stick it

00:43:59.700 actually stick it to them in and actually like rectify this case and i mean like not just online

00:44:05.720 but like people who are you know trying to bring it to some sort of credible authority or institution

00:44:12.380 to try and uh you know set the record straight yes uh so there's a number i'm on a research group of

00:44:19.020 about 20 people we've been doing it for five years so this is like we've been going hard

00:44:24.440 actually it was really when i started going into the universities with these direct action kinds

00:44:28.880 of things that things started to move like that you're going to do direct action otherwise nothing

00:44:32.680 happens don't don't write papers and stuff that that's just ignored but when you go in and you

00:44:37.380 have those scenes that's kind of everyone's going whoa um but dallas brody uh tara armstrong tim

00:44:46.160 teelman those are the three names in british columbia on the political side on the legal

00:44:52.740 side is the justice center for constitutional freedoms and glenn blackett and john carpe

00:44:59.460 marty moore so they're taking on the lead we're taking on the legal side with them

00:45:03.940 the political side in british columbia is being spearheaded by brody armstrong and tilman

00:45:11.860 and of course jim heller who's a lawyer who was uh being sued he's suing for defamation

00:45:17.780 because he was called a racist for trying to correct the record jim mcmurtry the teacher

00:45:22.740 who was fired, is also doing things publicly

00:45:27.600 and trying to get the schools hold accountability.

00:45:31.180 There's a number of different proms that are working through to the 20.

00:45:35.740 So on May 27, 2026, that is the fifth anniversary of the Canloofs claim,

00:45:42.360 we're all converging on the legislature of British Columbia to hold an event there.

00:45:48.180 12 noon to 2 o'clock p.m.

00:45:52.600 Going to have a bunch of speakers with diverse

00:45:54.780 and I'm inviting everyone from the legislature to be there. 1.00

00:45:59.460 There's a couple of seriously poisonous individuals

00:46:02.760 who should come and give their position on this matter.

00:46:07.740 I'll just mention a few names.

00:46:09.840 Peter Milibar, the conservative candidate

00:46:12.960 who's running in the leadership.

00:46:14.980 His son-in-law is a member of the Kamloops Indian Band.

00:46:18.820 He is completely captured by the Kamloops Indian Band.

00:46:23.700 There's Frank Caputo, who is the federal MP.

00:46:27.840 Absolute disgrace.

00:46:29.760 He's conservative, too.

00:46:32.640 There's Aliyah Warbus, who is the daughter of Stephen Point. 0.62

00:46:37.520 He's a major neotribal elite.

00:46:40.980 She's a conservative house leader.

00:46:44.240 In BC, there's a whole bunch of just unbelievably toxic people in the political system, both federally and provincially, that, you know, should be taken to task for their holding up this false claim.

00:47:00.080 And this is a real problem now, which we're finding out in B.C., that people who see themselves as the spokesperson for aboriginal groups and are in the political system.

00:47:16.420 So it's fine to be an activist in an interest group.

00:47:19.600 What they do is they take that and they bring it into national, provincial, and municipal institutions and destroy the system.

00:47:28.660 they do that by capturing the system and that's happened on a number of cases and

00:47:33.580 british columbia is the most obvious but it's also happened federally too it's really bad

00:47:40.000 yeah i mean from a in general from what i've noticed indigenous issues is always like this

00:47:48.400 football or a crowbar to sort of uh you know push certain legislation or policy and it just

00:47:55.320 This is a very cynically used sort of costume or sort of like excuse to push one thing or another.

00:48:02.080 And it's it's such a, you know, continual betrayal to actual indigenous people, you know, like like they're constantly being used once again for political purposes.

00:48:13.340 And then they're kind of fed this sort of, you know, grievance sort of they get to play more grievance cards so they don't care or something like that.

00:48:22.040 or, you know, they're not sophisticated enough to grasp

00:48:24.920 like how they're kind of being finessed

00:48:26.960 for political reasons.

00:48:30.880 And yeah, it's sad to see, it's sad to watch.

00:48:34.400 And at the end of the day, I think you would,

00:48:36.700 you are someone who's actually looking for the truth,

00:48:38.800 trying to be honest with people,

00:48:39.980 but you're getting, you know,

00:48:41.860 crushed and demonized for it.

00:48:44.020 And it really, it is spooky

00:48:46.300 because you have to assume

00:48:48.820 that there's certain political agendas at play.

00:48:51.500 there's certain people who have a certain thing that they want to accomplish and obviously you

00:48:57.560 know undermining or questioning or shattering this narrative of the uh you know the Kamloops

00:49:03.200 graves and the sort of like our fundamental history is genocide clearly people are very

00:49:07.960 they don't they they want that myth to stick they want it to stick real bad it's it's a card in the

00:49:14.500 house of cards so this is why people are fighting so hard on Kamloops because everyone keeps on

00:49:18.860 saying it's just a fact like it's a question of fact it's not like the gen like if you're

00:49:24.180 going to argue about whether canada is a genocidal country or not which is the other claim that

00:49:27.900 people get really upset about talking about that's a quite a complex argument as to whether that's

00:49:33.080 the case or not because of the definition of genocide and all the various things but the

00:49:37.900 canloops case is just like a very simple factual claim which is obviously untrue but the canloops

00:49:44.820 claim was used as the justification for why Canada committed genocide. So it's the major

00:49:52.540 card in that kind of argument. So they know or they believe that if they pull that card

00:49:59.240 out, it's going to become very unstable, that House of Cards, and they don't want that to

00:50:03.900 happen. So they're very deeply invested in it. And the beauty of it is because there's

00:50:10.300 a lot of people who are very knowledgeable about this claim and that we have a lot of heavyweights

00:50:15.480 intellectually, you know, to debunk it. It's not hard to do. So if you get someone face to face

00:50:23.100 with, you know, the billboards about what remains and you talk to people, they can't go very far

00:50:29.640 in the arguments on it. And they're faced with this really, you can see it in real time,

00:50:35.200 the cognitive dissonance that begins to happen when they're they can't really move forward on

00:50:40.260 it because they don't have anything else and we have like there's about 10 reasons why people

00:50:45.320 think that there are unmarked graves at canloops none of them have any validity to them and you

00:50:52.960 know we've all talked about this now for five years so so we're very we're very well versed

00:50:57.580 in this whole area yeah and for interested bureaucrats or people who are part of the sort

00:51:02.360 of indigenous industry as you call it in canada um there is a lot at stake there's there's resources

00:51:08.860 there's funding and there's also parking spots yes for those who don't know at the university

00:51:15.300 of leftbridge in alberta canada they have indigenous elders parking so uh you don't

00:51:21.320 want to lose that parking golden ticket there if you're uh you know an indigenous person

00:51:25.540 get francis off campus there's no way she's messing up this parking arrangement for me 0.66

00:51:30.220 absolutely not um but uh let's so we're going to talk about danielle smith in just a second but

00:51:39.100 first you know you talked about kind of getting this coalition together of people who are going

00:51:43.000 to push back against this you know residential schools uh cam loops claim um have you been

00:51:49.160 successful have you have we made any efforts of trying to get uh federal mps on board because it

00:51:54.480 must be difficult now so i'm working on it now with a friend of mine from paul river good and

00:52:00.540 i guess the he's listening so there's about three uh mps conservative mps who are concerned about

00:52:08.440 or claim that they're concerned about free speech and all the sort of the average sorry did you

00:52:13.420 you said three yeah okay i was hoping i was hoping it'd be more of more than that but these are the

00:52:21.640 ones that i know the the the guy who actually stuck his neck out his name is john barlow he's a

00:52:29.500 mp for foothills close to lethbridge actually he opposed the uh the unanimous consent that was

00:52:37.120 supposed to be given for the the motion that canada was a genocidal country or that the

00:52:41.700 residential schools were genocidal in 2021 he said nay he was the one person who said nay

00:52:47.600 he was no one else did yo that's amazing yeah shout outs to john barlow i didn't know anyone

00:52:54.080 said nay i thought i thought they was unanimous in 2021 right that didn't go through in 2021

00:53:00.480 2022 presumably he got taken aside and told you know don't do that or or be absent when this is

00:53:08.020 going to happen next time and so every pierre polia voted in favor of canada being a genocidal

00:53:15.600 country in in uh only i got i got it on my facebook page i put all the names that were

00:53:21.720 there that day who voted in 2022 october 2022 that the residential schools were genocidal they

00:53:28.780 follow that absolute totalitarian leah gazan who's an embarrassment who makes you just you know 1.00

00:53:36.260 your skin crawl every time you see her nonsensical face spouting her idiocy all over the place they 1.00

00:53:42.420 supported her like shame shame shame shame it's disgusting what's going on anyway no no hey this 1.00

00:53:53.260 i mean this is critically important here this is a topic that i have don't shut up about haven't

00:53:58.820 shut up about for years which is where is the courage where is the nutsack on the conservative

00:54:03.220 party of canada they say oh we are our values and we stand up for the truth and it's like well

00:54:07.620 where where and an important context because i've seen this phenomena happen countless times in

00:54:14.880 politics which is the timing the timing of the cowardice is so detrimental because at the time

00:54:22.940 when they did present this in parliament of this motion we need to everyone has to agree that

00:54:27.580 residential schools are genocide so unspecific by the way the actual motion right it was just

00:54:32.280 like residential schools are genocide like such vague language anyway at the time you know it

00:54:38.460 probably wouldn't be let's put it this way it probably wouldn't be passed if it was pushed

00:54:42.420 right now in 2026 where you know the woke stuff has really waned in in kind of effectiveness and

00:54:47.900 the sort of hype around residential schools has died down people are kind of undermining

00:54:52.100 questioning the story but at the time it was like well the funny thing is you want to know why

00:54:58.020 it went through in 2022 not 2021 because you would have expected it would go through in 2021

00:55:03.520 because that was in june very close to when the everyone was hysterical and there was all these

00:55:09.260 yes it's all over the media it's all over the media yeah john burlow stood up put his neck out

00:55:14.140 probably suffered consequences so it did go through and then they regrouped le gazan regrouped in

00:55:19.840 october uh 2022 and it was the pope the pope was the one who did it who made it go through

00:55:28.680 in october because they trapped they they cornered the pope on the plane

00:55:34.500 and the pope said that it was genocide oh my gosh

00:55:38.840 i you know sometimes put a headdress on him that was the funniest of the funny is

00:55:45.700 they got wilton little child got her headdress like one of those feathered headdresses and put

00:55:51.300 it on the head of the pope that is just unreal i was watching that going oh this is it this is the

00:55:58.880 end that you get the pope to wear the headdress i've i uh oh my gosh is this it here

00:56:06.280 oh my god is this in here is it oh yeah there it is

00:56:12.580 you know when we when we look at the you know there's obviously all the different issues in

00:56:19.440 Canada going on but uh I feel like a common thread is it's simply peer pressure people just

00:56:25.660 cave people cave you know who does not want to wear the ribbon who is not going to wear the

00:56:31.160 feather headdress you're not going to say it was genocide what the hell man and it's like okay fine

00:56:36.260 i'll wear the i'll wear the feathers uh crazy crazy um but this is a moment this story has

00:56:45.020 gone quite viral people from america have been retweeting it i mean it's you know you having

00:56:49.200 coffee on campus getting thrown in the back of a paddy wagon it's insane um this is a moment to

00:56:55.620 push and make something happen and people have already naturally been doing that uh on on the

00:57:02.000 twitter feed and they're putting pressure on the province's premier who's supposed to be one of the

00:57:08.960 toughest conservatives and to be fair she's she's been more outspoken on some more conservative

00:57:12.860 issues he's probably pushed back against the media the mainstream media in canada more than anyone

00:57:17.640 and here's a tweet from tim tilman premier daniel smith premier daniel smith could put an end to

00:57:24.400 this farce in 24 hours one phone call to the university of leftbridge president that she

00:57:29.120 hasn't done this is is a scandal yes we also had a tweet from shadow davis hey danielle smith when

00:57:36.000 are you going to weigh in on this nonsense university of lethbridge is publicly funded

00:57:39.920 and they are willfully and publicly breaking the charter they should accept free speech or lose

00:57:44.440 their bankroll yes absolutely i want more of it so people who are paying attention the only thing

00:57:52.560 that will work is yanking the funding from the university of lethbridge that's it we've been in

00:57:58.860 court now for three years with the university of lethbridge it was like when we were in court on

00:58:04.920 april 10th with the justice center incredible lawyer glenn blackett has helped me so much

00:58:13.000 so you know shout out to them in the biggest possible way and glenn went in there on the 10th

00:58:19.840 did incredible arguments in front of the judge about all this very very well researched very

00:58:26.460 very well argued and who knows like you never know where you're going to get with the courts

00:58:31.140 the the remedy that we're seeking is that the university of lethbridge must allow me to go

00:58:37.740 to campus and give the talk that they canceled in uh february 1st 2023 but what i've suggested

00:58:47.620 to the university of lethbridge is why don't you have a panel with different perspectives

00:58:54.200 on it, moderated by

00:58:56.120 Aaron Peet, who is the

00:58:58.160 incredible chief, another shout out to him

00:59:00.500 from the Hope Band

00:59:02.180 and everyone gives him a really

00:59:04.180 hard time all the time, it makes him really angry

00:59:06.300 because he is trying to navigate

00:59:08.460 this unbelievably turbulent

00:59:10.160 waters, you know, he's not trying

00:59:12.160 to get, he's trying to avoid

00:59:14.420 being cancelled and stuff and he's

00:59:16.080 in the thick of it, but I've noticed

00:59:18.400 with Aaron, an unbelievably nice guy

00:59:20.480 he listens to

00:59:22.360 what you see

00:59:23.260 he's there trying to understand things

00:59:26.600 you don't get that ever

00:59:28.340 in the aboriginal politics thing 1.00

00:59:30.520 so let's get Aaron Peeta on there

00:59:32.360 as the moderator, let's get Tony Hall

00:59:34.220 and myself and this

00:59:35.980 unbelievable poor excuse for a

00:59:38.320 professor

00:59:39.020 what's his name, his last name's Wilson

00:59:42.360 Patrick Wilson

00:59:43.920 he is the

00:59:46.320 guy who's the head 0.90

00:59:48.300 of the gender

00:59:49.440 equity diversity

00:59:52.240 committee in the faculty association he's responsible for that or he's he's one of the

00:59:59.300 main players who got that notice written individual on campus i had the emails i posted the emails

01:00:06.520 between him and the provost michelle helstine who's another incompetent who should be gone

01:00:13.160 she's an embarrassment but but patrick wilson is is having this discussion with the provost

01:00:18.880 the top academic position at the University of Lethbridge, and they're discussing how they're

01:00:25.480 going to deal with me, you know, my, you know, what is it, my views that are so disrespectful

01:00:32.620 and outrageous, and the way they're talking about it is just, is really, really embarrassing.

01:00:39.600 Anyway, I posted that email on the internet, and that's why they put that thing from the

01:00:43.820 Faculty Association, be careful not to put anything in the email, because that email

01:00:48.700 it's going to be posted and it's going to you're going to be lambasted for what you say if you do

01:00:52.920 that so that was patrick wilson so get patrick wilson has said unbelievably unacademic things

01:01:00.600 about me and tony hall he has an obligation as an academic to stand behind his almost defamatory

01:01:08.320 claims that he's made anyway get him on the panel get jessica copley on the panel as you

01:01:13.800 tried to organize a town hall to stop me from being able to go on campus to have a coffee with 1.00

01:01:19.180 students uh and a whole bunch of other carolyn hodes the crazy women and gender studies professor 1.00

01:01:25.300 who writes articles in a journal called i kid you not the feminist asylum oh my gosh you know 1.00

01:01:34.340 there's a there's a common thread here with a lot of the problems in canada and and that really

01:01:40.240 comes down to the the lack of a willingness for people with different opinions to have

01:01:45.320 conversations you know like it's everybody is siloed everybody is separated and more importantly

01:01:53.240 people who have mainstream establishment views are very uh content with just demonizing and

01:01:59.920 dehumanizing and saying you're i'm not going to debate your talking points i'm just going to call

01:02:05.060 you dangerous and get and get away from me and uh basically because they what are they insecure

01:02:12.260 they're too insecure to debate if they were so confident in their views why wouldn't they want

01:02:18.100 to just humiliate you on stage for all to see right uh and and this applies to many different

01:02:23.660 issues whether it's transgenderism in schools whether it's uh you know what happened during

01:02:28.340 covet 19 lockdowns you know there's there's so many different issues where it's like why can't

01:02:33.500 we just have a conversation about this and i think that's and i want to segue into bill c9 here

01:02:39.320 before we go um because you know they say that it's going to combat hate with bill c9 and it's

01:02:46.340 total nonsense because what they want to do is they want to further criminalize people who share

01:02:52.260 and voice intense emotions and it's not it's there's no way it could be done fairly so they're

01:02:58.700 going to end up probably god forbid it doesn't pass but if it were to pass we're going to have

01:03:03.840 this lopsided version of criminal hatred where you can just kind of criminalize like it would

01:03:08.920 be very easy to just literally throw you in jail um and not have to talk to you ever again not have

01:03:14.580 to kind of deal with your views ever again and uh it's very very scary because that's only going

01:03:19.800 to lead to more resentment and hatred within the country because people are refusing to debate each

01:03:25.500 other and i guess my point is like you know debating having people who disagree with talk

01:03:32.240 with each other is 100 the actual solution in the democratic society um so anybody who is trying to 0.99

01:03:38.840 avoid that or saying it's dangerous to debate somebody no you are full of crap and you are 0.95

01:03:44.000 part of the problem if you're disagreeing refusing to have a debate with somebody

01:03:48.440 and that and that applies to everybody on every topic because it happens in various different

01:03:53.480 ways i'm like i'm not going to talk to that person okay there's a lot of there's a lot of right wing

01:03:57.840 there's a lot of conservative people who do this as well they do the same sort of like well i don't

01:04:01.600 want to talk about it and well that person's an actual this or an actual that and that's too far

01:04:06.140 and it's like okay so i guess we're just never going to have uh i guess we're never going to

01:04:10.000 have it we're just going to stay in our echo chambers then and and hope the problem gets

01:04:13.780 solved uh while this regime is basically gearing up to you know throw the most undesirables in jail

01:04:20.220 so they never have to deal with it again um and the universities that's where the universities

01:04:25.020 come in and that's the failure like a massive failure you know and it was i i don't know when

01:04:32.040 this started to happen but uh but it would be you would be intentionally removed from panels

01:04:39.320 uh and it happened to me like at the political science association because i'm a political

01:04:44.840 scientist it happened over the course of i started going to political science in 2003 i was on panels

01:04:52.220 with people who disagreed with me and then in 2008 i was on a panel and uh a member of the audience

01:04:59.720 who's an aboriginal person started screaming at me telling asking me why i hated aboriginal people

01:05:06.020 and after that event i was never allowed to be on a panel with people who disagreed with me again

01:05:13.180 that was it it was over so that was 2008 and so the panel should be constructed so you have the

01:05:19.540 different representative positions on the topic so that you can have a a clash of ideas to figure

01:05:27.120 out what is valid and that was intentionally stopped by the canadian political science

01:05:33.640 association in 2008 2009 and you know what sucks like it could be such a grand slam for the cbc

01:05:40.380 hear me out it could be such a grand slam for not even CBC I guess we'll say private media

01:05:44.600 you know this is just this would be just such good content it would be such good content to

01:05:49.320 actually like you know publicize these debates of different people like it would be such amazing

01:05:54.300 interactions there'd be drama there'd be you know people who are getting called out destroyed like

01:05:59.360 it would be such good content for the world to see it would get ratings you'd be able to sell

01:06:04.740 advertisements sell tickets to the event you know like maybe you wouldn't have to be subsidized by

01:06:09.860 this uh the government as much uh you know there's a lot of there's a lot of uh potential solutions

01:06:14.980 in there but we did have some of that with it was called pang burn i think it it was a short-lived

01:06:20.820 thing because of all sorts of difficulties and the the the the leadership of it and the funny

01:06:26.900 but they had some great stuff with i remember seeing one between jordan peterson and and sam

01:06:32.980 harris i didn't go there but i watched it uh which was you know sam harris is an atheist and jordan

01:06:38.740 peterson is uh i believe he's religious but religious in a kind of a metaphorical kind of

01:06:44.140 yeah he's a he's a he's weird when it comes to religion he he loves to like sing the praises

01:06:49.460 of christianity but like he he also isn't a christian by definition because he doesn't like

01:06:54.480 believe in jesus christ being resurrected and stuff anyway that's a whole can of worms there

01:06:58.800 was a great there was that was there was a number of events that were held i think it was like you

01:07:04.720 know 2000 and maybe it's before covid 2019 maybe and then that was kind of like i was hoping something

01:07:12.180 was going to happen because of that that we would start to see more of that and of course at mount

01:07:16.720 royal university i organized this i actually did a series i organized it and that's what got me fired

01:07:24.320 was uh having a transact does trans activism negatively impact women's rights with megan

01:07:31.220 Murphy arguing, yes, it did, and Julie Ray Goldstein arguing, no, they didn't. And the

01:07:37.800 trans activists became so upset that this disagreement was allowed to take place, therefore 0.88

01:07:44.880 denying the humanity of trans people, that they poisoned my environment, and that resulted

01:07:52.780 then in me eventually being pushed out of Mount Royal. So we had a great kind of attempt 1.00

01:07:58.060 at it for i think there's four four events that we held and and that's a great model because we

01:08:03.980 tried to set it up so no one you know we tried to have people asking questions at the beginning

01:08:09.420 so that you wouldn't get go right to the q a and then have a whole bunch of like people yelling at

01:08:14.140 each other and stuff it's like here's what you would do if you actually wanted to discuss this

01:08:19.260 intellectually and not just get like completely fired up in terms of your emotions and then that

01:08:24.700 kind of calmed people down a bit and then it was very very high intensity the event because everyone 0.93

01:08:30.700 you know had so much at stake and we had the the gender critical feminists in one area of the

01:08:36.460 auditorium like a whole crowd and we had the trans activism again in another area and then one guy

01:08:42.940 who was actually gender critical guy was sitting with the trans activists and they didn't know he

01:08:47.660 was like a an enemy in their midst and then there was like they found out he was actually not it was

01:08:53.740 just it was really a great event and uh you know we did we did that and you could do it again but

01:08:59.980 it's just because of the unions being so horrible um they they just they don't defend people to do

01:09:06.300 that and then you get you get fired and then that's really difficult for people to to have to face

01:09:12.220 if you do this you're going to lose your job like that's what's going to happen

01:09:16.140 and and people it's like i got my family and i got my i got my mortgage and i go what am i

01:09:21.740 what's gonna happen like i can't do that and that's not done and that the universities are

01:09:25.420 not protecting people to to kind of take this on which they could that's one of the huge pieces of

01:09:33.060 the puzzle that the university and its uh its union protecting people the university will not

01:09:42.760 defend the people who want to have these discussions they they act well because the

01:09:48.480 Unions actively will support the people who are totalitarians.

01:09:53.160 That's what happened in my case.

01:09:54.900 The three people who were trying to get me fired and push me out,

01:09:57.900 they supported them.

01:09:58.880 Instead of not getting involved in that and not allowing that to happen.

01:10:04.620 And then, of course, everyone watching it said,

01:10:07.300 oh, I don't want to have this happen.

01:10:09.940 And so the whole system is kind of crumbling as we speak.

01:10:13.620 a common trend with all this stuff is it seems like we're being rolled over by uh

01:10:21.140 babies like whoever throws the biggest tantrum wins whoever makes the biggest you know emotional

01:10:27.700 scene and says i have the i have the most hurt feelings out of anybody you need to stop them

01:10:33.740 why don't you stop them um that's why i call it the super nanny method the uh going into these

01:10:40.480 university's like super nanny who is joe frost too if you watch it's a great show where she goes 0.98

01:10:46.240 into this household with these toddlers who are just just terribly terrible behavior and she just 0.99

01:10:51.480 goes and she just is patient and every time they behave improperly she'll just put them on the

01:10:59.100 naughty spot and then they'll do continue and just keeps on doing this for hours until they stop and

01:11:04.620 they just get tired and that's what i was doing at the university of winnipeg and uh thompson

01:11:09.320 rivers it's a super nanny method super nanny franny goes in there and just keeps on putting

01:11:15.720 the students on the naughty spot and then eventually they get tired and they just quiet down

01:11:21.720 and tony hall at the university of lethbridge for lethbridge too we were planning to stay there

01:11:26.760 all night until the students calmed down but of course the police couldn't have that because then

01:11:32.280 they'd have to have uh overtime for 10 hours or whatever would be so they pulled me out but

01:11:37.320 we were we're going to do that and see how long it's going to take for them to calm down and have

01:11:41.480 a conversation like normal you know adults and not toddlers very very badly behaved toddlers

01:11:48.360 who are having temper tantrum and the thing you got to know is you never give in to the toddler

01:11:55.480 having a temper tantrum never give in never never apologize never apologize now we have rewarding

01:12:02.200 the temper tantrums and we have just absolutely on on you know you just cannot deal with the

01:12:09.240 students they're they're completely deranged and for six hours they kept it up they probably would

01:12:14.200 have got tired at her after around 15 hours i would imagine and then we might have been having

01:12:18.140 some conversations with them yeah yeah and it's you know the more i get into politics the more

01:12:24.620 i realize it's not really about ideology it's about psychology and psychologically every time

01:12:29.780 the conservative party tries to pander and coddle to the media not to offend anybody you're you're

01:12:34.840 coddling to these completely unreasonable toddlers and and throwing their tantrums so this is why

01:12:40.460 your strategy is not working you need to ignore them ignore them ignore them and just kind of

01:12:44.760 press forward and be the dad in the room sorry to be sexist but like you need to be like the

01:12:49.160 grown-up in the room to be like hey everybody calm down it's bedtime all right calm down it's

01:12:55.160 bedtime you're going to bed that's it i know you're upset cry yeah cry it out cry it out

01:13:00.100 keep on going okay um awesome well hey thanks for so much for coming on the show is there anything

01:13:08.580 that people can do to support you that anything that you want to plug anything that you want to

01:13:12.340 promote right now so they can follow along i put i put your uh your youtube in the description if

01:13:17.260 people want to go subscribe to our youtube channel i've got a fundraiser which i fund my trips

01:13:23.120 you know to lethbridge and all these places um i i'm on facebook and twitter uh that that's helpful

01:13:32.540 um but the main thing now is daniel smith like that's what's gonna we have to turn the university

01:13:40.140 of lethbridge around if we can't turn the university of lethbridge around we're not

01:13:44.500 going to be able to do it like we're gonna they're lost the universities are lost and because the

01:13:48.660 university of lethbridge has acted in such a insane way that no one who's just not an ideologue

01:13:55.100 could accept like the whole coffee thing like that was chosen because like who could object to me

01:14:02.560 sitting at a table having coffee just explaining my evidence-based academic practice but of course

01:14:10.000 they did because they can't they can't put up with that and uh so university lethbridge must

01:14:15.920 be restored to an academic institution daniel smith is the one who can do it by threatening

01:14:22.560 to yank funding unless uh the university of lethbridge holds a panel with myself and tony

01:14:28.960 hall and uh what's his name patrick wilson and jessica copley with aaron pete as the voice of

01:14:37.200 re you know the mediator because he's he's great he's very calm and he really wants to figure it

01:14:42.640 out and he wants this to change so we have all the people that are there all the university of

01:14:48.220 let'sbridge does is to have to organize that and tell their deranged students and their totalitarian

01:14:56.460 professors that that's not how you behave at an academic institution simple simple this can be a

01:15:05.780 huge w for danielle smith okay this is a great flashpoint it's an optical win okay you know

01:15:14.260 this is humiliating this is humiliating for canadians to watch this happen to our

01:15:19.540 you know university institutions anybody who has this sort of self-respecting idea about

01:15:23.980 what it really means to be intellectually vigorous anybody who has any sort of idea of like a free

01:15:29.780 speech or a free country like this is um this is a terrible look and this is a great thing to rub 0.83

01:15:34.820 in the face of ottawa you know like lead by example danielle you know make a statement put 0.71

01:15:40.300 your foot down this could cause a huge ripple effect uh a positive one because free speech is

01:15:46.760 on the fritz here in canada and uh i'm gonna close off um did you have anything else to say

01:15:53.960 before we go francis we're in a huge battle we uh we're not being disappeared in the middle of

01:16:02.840 night at this time but that is coming so if you want to avoid and it's actually george orwell's

01:16:10.680 warning for mankind that he made uh after writing 1984 and just before his death

01:16:17.640 you know he's talking about a boot on a human face forever that's what we're facing what do

01:16:23.400 we do about this terrible state of affairs and he said it's very simple really don't let it happen

01:16:31.400 it depends on you well said well said well with all that said i did want to talk really briefly

01:16:41.900 about bill c9 for the for the outro here uh i recently finished a sort of mini documentary

01:16:47.160 talking about everything wrong with bill c9 i'm going to play a clip in just a minute here

01:16:52.140 but there is a whole bunch of interviews that i'm still working together for the final cut of

01:16:56.120 the documentary i'm putting together this is the feature-length documentary needless to say there's

01:17:00.240 a lot of work i'm still doing so if you do want to support my work they can go to give send go.com

01:17:04.160 uh slash save free speech that's give send go.com slash save free speech send a donation there it'll

01:17:09.980 really help me out i'll be able to uh pass off more work to editors to help turn some more stuff

01:17:14.420 around but um with bill c9 we'll actually have a one more question for you before you go francis

01:17:21.660 um just to make sure you're aware of this uh you know i did a deep dive into the legislation and

01:17:27.600 essentially if it does pass god forbid it doesn't if it does pass certain forms of hatred will be

01:17:34.400 criminal and prosecutable while other forms of hatred will be totally fine um because of the

01:17:41.720 definition of identifiable group in the criminal code long story short um political ideology

01:17:50.360 political view political opinion that's not an identifiable group so if you have an unpopular

01:17:55.920 political opinion we can spit on those people like it doesn't really matter like you know you

01:18:01.000 have no you have no legal protections whatsoever and uh in the video i don't know if you've seen

01:18:06.540 it yet i use used an example of uh someone who has an unpopular political opinion and like hating

01:18:12.360 on francis widdowson is totally fine um that's totally justifiable group or a person to hate on

01:18:19.540 but any thoughts on that before we go yeah i think that um what what the the tendency would

01:18:27.820 be would be to want to extend the protections to others when really it should be just removed

01:18:36.180 getting rid of that completely we must get hate speech out of the criminalization area

01:18:43.960 starting with the criminalization of what's called Holocaust denial,

01:18:49.180 because that really is the beginning of all of this.

01:18:53.420 And, you know, people were all kind of encouraged to do this

01:18:56.740 because, of course, you know, you don't want to have

01:18:59.400 these very, very upsetting things being said and so on.

01:19:02.100 But we've got to go back to the basics and, you know,

01:19:06.060 adopt the American model, which is the Brandenburg test. 0.53

01:19:10.900 That is incitement and threats and so on.

01:19:15.480 That's what's illegal. 0.94

01:19:18.160 You say that you wish that Frances Whittowson would be raped in the basement of the Camus in a residential school. 0.85

01:19:25.400 That's not a threat. 0.98

01:19:27.500 That's a wish. 0.99

01:19:29.420 And until someone actually starts to incite for me to be dragged into the basement and raped, 1.00

01:19:36.020 that should be allowed for Charlene Bellow to say that. 0.54

01:19:40.900 She can say that it's, it shouldn't be illegal for her to say that.

01:19:46.100 Yeah, no, it's a absolutely great point and it's going to be an ongoing battle.

01:19:52.740 There is a chance to stop bill C9 though.

01:19:54.960 It's before the Senate and I made specifically this mini documentary to share it with a senator.

01:20:00.760 Yes.

01:20:01.280 And I'm, I'm telling a senator because a lot of the points I bring up in this mini, in this, this piece, everything wrong with bill C9 has not been talked about, has not been addressed.

01:20:10.320 it's a crazy bill in terms of the president that it's that it that it makes but um again you can

01:20:17.280 just look on my youtube channel everything wrong with bill c9 send it to your senator

01:20:20.360 thanks again francis uh glad you're not in jail we're going to keep fighting glad you're sticking

01:20:26.880 up for academic freedom and uh yeah until until next time i'm sure we'll talk again soon and

01:20:33.720 thanks again for all the super chats uh tonight we're going to play this clip from the uh the c9

01:20:38.320 piece i did peace on c9 and then we will uh we'll see you guys later and yeah francis if you if you

01:20:44.280 want to chat we can chat in a few minutes after this uh after this clip plays out yeah thanks a

01:20:48.640 lot absolutely our intensely held emotions towards someone or something isn't that what we should do

01:20:55.700 instead of being violent and here's the other awkward question what if hatred is being promoted

01:21:01.000 by the canadian government and its institutions what if i told you that with this broad definition

01:21:06.380 of hatred, you could argue that government officials have been maybe guilty of willfully

01:21:12.120 promoting or publicly inciting hatred themselves. After the Kamloops residential school announcement

01:21:17.560 in 2021, before any of the unmarked graves had been forensically confirmed, the government endorsed

01:21:23.580 a wave of grief and anger that saw now over a hundred churches burned to the ground or be

01:21:30.080 vandalized. Although Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at the time denounced the burning of churches,

01:21:35.020 he described the anger people were feeling as understandable.

01:21:40.600 Is this our own Prime Minister inciting hatred against Christians? 1.00

01:21:45.100 Well, it's certainly telling the country that these intense emotions towards Christians are justified. 0.99

01:21:50.880 And given my previous examples of how people will shout incitement, 0.91

01:21:54.820 one could certainly argue that by Trudeau saying the Catholic Church has a shameful history,

01:22:00.260 that he did help incite hatred against an identifiable group.

01:22:04.160 as more churches were set fire after Justin Trudeau made these comments,

01:22:08.980 largely validating these intensely held emotions of hate and resentment

01:22:12.280 that led towards a breach of the peace, in this case, arson.

01:22:16.920 And it was not just burning churches.

01:22:18.460 There was an ongoing campaign after this to cancel Canada Day, to decolonize Canada.

01:22:24.080 We saw the destruction and vandalism of countless Sir John A. Macdonald statues.

01:22:28.260 Also, the Sir Egerton Ryerson statue got torn down.

01:22:31.080 A Queen Victoria statue got ripped down.

01:22:33.080 it's not an exaggeration to say that this was a mainstream vilification of Canadian history as a

01:22:39.820 whole. All of these individuals and statues are part of an identifiable group, by the way,

01:22:45.740 people who are white or of European descent. I interviewed academic Frances Whittowson,

01:22:50.920 a tenured professor from Mount Royal University who could be considered an expert on Indigenous

01:22:55.180 issues in Canada, and she's gone to countless campuses in Canada to talk about this issue of

01:23:00.560 residential schools, and she's ultimately been met with hatred, and in some cases for her supporters,

01:23:06.340 assault and violence on university campuses. And for Frances, she may hold an unpopular political

01:23:12.760 opinion, but because political opinion doesn't make you part of an identifiable group in the

01:23:18.560 criminal code, well, you can hate on someone like Frances as much as you'd like and face no criminal

01:23:23.620 consequences whatsoever under Bill C-9. Do we want a country where some forms of hatred are

01:23:29.940 policed and criminalized, and then hating on people with unpopular political opinions,

01:23:34.440 well, that's totally allowed. This is the Canada we get when we pass Bill C-9.

01:23:39.660 And people might say, well, these are exceptional circumstances, and in this case,

01:23:59.260 hatred is justified and if that's the case then it proves my major concern

01:24:04.540 which is these laws will only be selectively enforced based on whomever

01:24:10.080 has the most sway with the Attorney General.

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