'Hate Experts' want to CENSOR Canadians Online🔴REACTION to Cyber Bullying Townhall 🔴#stopbillc63
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Summary
Join us as we react to the Cyber Bullying Town Hall, a town hall style town hall debate, and a special Christmas gift to our listeners. We also talk about our new documentary, and some other stuff!
Transcript
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Uh, hey guys, uh, listen, um, I know you guys are scared and, you know, you have to understand
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And things don't happen the way you want them to happen.
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Instead of making fun and match, you need to respect them.
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Comment on a pin, back it up with the link, start,
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threads, butt heads, push, content, fight that could
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and get the rents to their inbox, pick a side, pick a hell that I can't argue that I don't like me.
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Realize that is evidence that I am a prophet of God.
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Some go to war, some occupy, some just a straight-up genocide, some behead, some will end the night.
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So stop, whatever, and just be a fucking apostle
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Pushing out a penny head, dunking on some children
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If I tell you to do something, it's a commandment. It's very important that you do it.
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So, watch my Facebook video where I read the Quran.
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Read the Quran. Read the Quran. Read the Quran. Read the Quran. Read the Quran.
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For those curious, that was a song from Dirty Jirty, a friend of mine.
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He just dropped an album recently, Songs You Shouldn't Sing in Public.
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and that was his track arguing online i thought it was pretty appropriate for
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what we're doing tonight hey hi everyone cyberbullying do you are you ready for the
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cyberbullying tonight i hope so hi everyone um if the sound is not good let me know because
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i was tweaking with some stuff earlier today we got a lot to go through tonight
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because online harms and cyber bullying town hall there was a cyber bullying town hall isn't that
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incredible um yeah it's about an hour and a half i'm sure there's gonna be lots and lots and lots
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of stuff to react to but there is a lot of exciting things happening tonight because not
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only are we going to react to that and i'm sure it's going to be very fun and and illuminating
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and insightful but we're also going to be showing a couple clips of the documentary of the interviews
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we've been doing with people who have been persecuted for their opinion because i have a
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feeling that uh these clips will be especially relevant to what comes up in this cyber bullying
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town hall uh there's also a cool uh christmas gift thing that we're going to be talking about
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at safefreespeech.ca as well what else what else any other news hey hey Greg what do you think
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about Christia Freeland what do you think about Christia Freeland uh resigning and and uh Jagmeet
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Singh said Justin Trudeau should resign I don't care you know like I just feel so much of the
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you know political commentary in canada is so irrelevant you know if you're not talking about
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foreign interference the foreign invasion or the sort of ongoing uh tyrannical managerial
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managerial class in canada that's continuing to push further left with their various policies
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it's not just at the federal level we saw a mayor get uh fined five thousand dollars for not
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recognizing pride month this stuff is ongoing it has nothing to do with justin trudeau it has to
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do with this increasingly emboldened and corrupt managerial class that's cracking down on people
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with the wrong politics oh did you hear christia freeland yeah we we know this we know this
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no one likes christia freeland she's she's you know she's a kindergarten teacher taking care
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of the finances of the country how's that going do we need to reiterate that do we need to go
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over this again i mean i get it feels good to dunk on people and say see told you these people
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suck they're stupid they've ruined the country but really all the only solution we have is vote
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for polyev that's usually the solution the kind of outcome of uh of all of this yammering and
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talking on but if yeah if you're not talking about the foreign interference the foreign invasion
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the mass immigration the radical demographic change or the sort of increasing um
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things like things things aren't really moving to the right things are moving anti-trudeau
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but that's not moving to the right at all you know like every single day that passes
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where pierre polyev doesn't push back against foreign or foreign interference foreign invasion
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or dei policies which he never does if anything he embraces them more than anyone else at this point
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yeah we're not winning the same institution the same establishment in ottawa is winning
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so if the conversation is not about that i don't really care did you feel it yeah i saw i saw it
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guys i saw freeland okay but uh let's get into it here's our favorite our number one our number one
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pal uh your pal my friend we love evan balagord okay give a give a nice thumbs up put up any
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finger you'd like on your on your hand for Evan Balagord in the chat there but this is really
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interesting I saw this I saw this today and I'm like whoa is this real is this real according to
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anonymous Twitter accounts Evan Balagord wears a butt plug 24 7 I mean if the anonymous Twitter
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account said it I'm thinking this might be geez I mean if you look at the facial expression here
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it's very interesting it's very interesting that the the executive director of uh the canadian
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anti-hate network might be wearing a butt plug 24 7 i mean this is just what the anonymous twitter
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account said so it's not yet confirmed however i've heard some things i've heard some stories
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i've heard i've been i've been hearing stuff i've been hearing some things but uh we do have a lot
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to get through a lot to react to so let's just get right into it hope everyone's doing well in chat
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things are moving to the right in some areas legend of nelda tears of the incel says things
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are moving to the right in some areas excluding the most crucial thing white replacement it's a
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pressure pressure release valve uh where what areas are we moving right in though other than
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like economically and even then i feel like it's not strong enough it's not really that uh substantial
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enough um but yeah i mean no one's no one's talking about the radical demographic change it's true
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and unfortunately this isn't something that the the ppc taps into quite often enough so
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uh let's get into it cyber bullying are you afraid yet are you afraid i had so much fun
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working on today's thumbnail I want to get some sort of like single lens futuristic headset
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so I can you know accelerate my cyber bullying let's get into it I'm already afraid this music
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i mean wow i mean wow just cyber bullying town hall is such a crazy catchphrase
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anyway but guys this is important because like look how professional this looks
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look how many how much resources they're putting into this they have a what ctv or cbc panel guy
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um they they are really what the efforts to censor the internet are coming from so many
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different angles and uh they're putting a lot of resources into it which is exactly why
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uh what i'm doing i think is important savefreespeech.ca uh educating people on bill c63
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and really kind of getting into the getting into that topic in general because because they are
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trying to attack it from all sides it's important to understand you know how to how to levy our
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arguments against it to just completely dismiss it because uh it's a fundamental right if we lose
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this one it's going to get a lot harder for people like us hello everyone i'm michael serapio cyber
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bullying and online harassment is on the rise the abuses harassment you heard the man harassment
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... happening through social media, direct messaging, gaming platforms, and perpetrators are using this technology to harass, to threaten, to shame, and to scare their targets.
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Now, in this online harms and cyberbullying town hall special, we are gathering together experts, politicians, representatives of big tech companies,
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and people who have experienced and delved into the realm of cyberbullying and online harm so that we might identify the problem.
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And as we go on in our discussion, perhaps come up with some solutions that we could apply in this country.
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Maybe we'll come up with solutions as if I'll put my my house on it.
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I wonder what we might come up with to censor people.
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There's already a bill in its second reading in the House of Commons that is specifically all about online harms.
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and uh and so they mentioned bullying and that's another thing like that this is this is very much
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how the establishment operates right they they make it seem like hey this is this is just an
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independent this is just an independent broadcast independent town hall and they're going to use
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all of the language from bill c63 isn't that convenient isn't that amazing um so yeah like
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none of this is a coincidence. Duh. And to that, let's get to the very big question right off top.
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What is cyberbullying? How is online harms happening? Who does it target? And to talk
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about this right now, we're joined by Evan Balgert, Executive Director of the Canadian
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Anti-Hate Network. So they're already laying the groundwork saying, oh, like, who does it target?
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I.E. only certain people? Only certain people are targeted from by online bullying?
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uh okay so yeah i don't know see that how tight is there a butt plug inside of this man
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one's in chat if you think there is a butt plug inside of this guy the anonymous twitter sources
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suggested that that he might have a butt plug in 24 7 uh one's in chat if you think this is the
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case amanda arella national director of public policy and advocacy at the ywca raissa amini
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YWCA. We got to look it up. We got to look this up, guys.
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YWCA, National Advocacy Community Action About Us.
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are you a religious organization what what do they do
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the youth engagement specialist at children first canada
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josie niepenak president of native women's association of canada
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and callie metler executive director of ottawa capital pride
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please welcome and thank you for joining us today
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you know man i'm gonna i'm just gonna move my face so we can see their faces all right
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yeah no i uh i think this is like a housing thing for a woman that ywca and i i i wonder if what
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their trans policy is i'm gonna get you to start up for the conversation right now because the ywca
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recently completed the block hate project and that included research on
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building resilience on online hate so that being the case I'm wondering if
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you might start us off by talking about what the project found in terms of
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findings and who is being targeted online. Thank you Michael and so our
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blocky project focused specifically on online hate as it affects young women
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and gender diverse youth aged 16 to 30 and unfortunately the reality that the
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project saw is that that age group and demographic is universally experiencing online hate. And so
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we did national polling data to understand exactly what the experiences of young women
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and gender diverse youth is online in Canada and saw that over 44% talked about experiencing
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online hate within the last year, often monthly and daily. And 82% of youth said that they
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have witnessed personally witnessed online hate this is so silly all of this stuff is um
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fundamentally misunderstands like what the internet is uh you could find hate for anyone
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on the internet you could find hate for every single group you could find it
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i mean that's obviously i mean well this is interesting what if we change it to black
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i mean it's the point is it's the internet okay we found online hate yeah i'm sure you found
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online hate you can find all sorts of stuff so we know that it's happening across a number of
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different platforms online um there was really every modality of of social media and uh internet
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was talked about uh from youth that we surveyed and we also saw that there was a really a component
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we might have to go at 1.25 speed guys because this this is just an onslaught of bs and it's a
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long video so yeah she's moving kind she's moo she's moo she's moving kind of slowly gendered
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within that so not only are young women and gender diverse youth more impacted by hate the hate that
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they are experiencing specifically targets their identity let's bring you into the conversation
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because as we listen to amanda there i'm wondering why are we seeing such an increase in hate and do
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we know where this is actually coming from we've observed it as well so we've done our own polling
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And there's been several other polls done which show similar things that nearly one
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in two Canadians have seen or experienced hate, especially more so among youth, gender
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See, they're not going to, they're not going to define hate once again.
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I've been researching this stuff for months now.
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if you look back on my youtube channel i got a i got an ad on facebook that said hey are you
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probably something along the lines of are you experiencing hate online something along those
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lines and i tried to do the survey and essentially if you don't think that there's a concern uh of
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hate online or you don't think the government should control hate online they don't even let
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you do the survey they just lock you out of the survey so yeah they're the way that they conduct
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these these research and studies is once again oh my god is totally controlled to direct towards
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a political agenda shocking isn't that shocking by the way the fact that this guy and the canadian
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anti-hit network is recognized as a expert is totally insane um they helped propagate lies
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or mistruths or misinformation about diagonal in regards to the trucker convoy these lies were
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not fact-checked by CSIS, RCMP, police in Ottawa, the safety minister, Marco Mendocino at the time.
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And yeah, they lied. This information was not accurate, yet it was repeated by pretty well
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all of the major institutions in this country. Yet here he is, still seen as an expert, still seen
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as a trustworthy source on this type of thing even though they have uh how did kareem asad put it
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they they were responsible with supplying information for like the largest intelligence
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failure in canadian history but here they are here they are being recognized as hate experts
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uh yeah this is just there's just it's a gangbang of rotten corrupt institutions
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and who's fighting against them, who's pushing back against them, who's doing something about
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this. For those unaware, I'm going to be plugging this a lot. We are making a documentary to expose
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these corrupt institutions, how they operate, and airing out their dirty laundry. Evan Balgord
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comes up in the documentary. And if you want to support it, you can go to givecentgo.com
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slash save free speech because we are doing something about it. We are going to talk about
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how this insidious network of far left bureaucrats operate it's connected to the mainstream media
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it's connected to anonymous twitter accounts and we have all the receipts we're telling the story
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we're hiring an award-winning documentarian his name is steve hanning you can look him up
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and uh yeah it's going to be a professional documentary that it tells the story of persecuted
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canadians for their political opinions and it's gonna we need to identify the problem folks
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we need to identify the problem. And it needs to be done professionally so we can reach outside of
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our echo chamber. Okay, so if you want to fight back against this, go to give send go.com slash
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save free speech. Thank you so much for your donation. Let's keep it going with this
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with this pipsqueak, so on and so forth. And there's several places where it is coming from
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especially we're talking about different levels of severity. So we see what I would call it just
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like the background level of hate on the internet, which is, you know, there's this toxic and poison
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an environment that has been created uh where people are um finding people from from groups
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that they like to target in and harassing and abusing them there's this is like it's it's
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almost it's it's almost like a skit of a bunch of part of my language but a bunch of like baby
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boomers who who are discovering the internet for the very first time and they're like yo we we found
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we found this website called 4chan and like there's a lot of racism on there we guys know
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we there's this thing called memes it's crazy guys guys you got to listen to me there's these
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things called memes i'm gonna let you in guys i'm gonna reach out of my uh what do i call it
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my toy box i'm gonna reach out of my toy box not right now because uh this is stuff that i've
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wanted to uh bring up on stream in the context of free speech in the context of bill c63 and how
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these bureaucrats just do not understand how the internet works and what is in my toy box in my
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toy box is um well i'll just say interesting content interesting content this is on uh
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facebook i found this video right now i'm on my way to the hospital i gotta you know get a couple
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test done monkey pop shit is real y'all it's fucking it's real it's real that's all i can say
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yo take care of yourselves you hear me this shit is no joke this shit is no joke no joke
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he's got a banana too i watched this right before the stream i was laughing very hard but i like
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just saw it and then so this presents a question though this presents a question you know like so
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evan balgort is this targeting groups who is this targeting is this targeting gay people for making
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light of monkey pox because monkey pox most often affects gay people is he making fun of black
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people specifically because he's using a you know monkey filter and he's black oh that's racist
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right is he just making fun of himself what how would we police this does this get taken down
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you know and and you could say oh this is clearly comedy greg well what if i like you know leverage
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this and retweeted it and said like haha like it's it's it'll check this video out oh no that's
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racist. He's promoting racism. You know, it's ridiculous. Um, yeah. Okay. But yeah, that's
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just an example of what's in my toy box. Like a lot of videos like that, or that are totally like
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insane in terms of being funny, touching on something cultural and just presenting the
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question to someone like Mr. Evan Belgord, like how on earth or a referani for that matter,
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how on earth would you police this content because that by all means could be considered
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racist would you take that down why or why not um because you know here's the other thing maybe
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you take a video like that and you send it to a black your black friend and say haha is that
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bullying you know like the the lines are so unclear and the reason why like these people
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are insane in my opinion is everything they're talking about are the ugly parts of human nature
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they're talking about the ugly parts of human nature we get angry at each other you know
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sometimes you love your sister sometimes you hate your sister she's so annoying a huge part of
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comedy is i believe it's it's called ambivalence which means kind of like you you feel like two
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ways about something sometimes you love them sometimes you hate them that's just what a human
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being does same with other individuals same with other groups you know like it's and they want to
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police that it's so misguided and inhuman um yeah it's obvious it's obvious to any real human being
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oh did i did i did i thumbs up the video whoops i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i i i would
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have left a comment let me tell you is there oh is there a live chat there's probably gonna be
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nothing in the live chat because there's also organized campaigns where they pick a particular
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oh censorship is cool they all look like they have something oh you can't see it shoot sorry there
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so people are already chirping them too bad i didn't see this live but anyway let's keep it
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going here we've seen a lot of that especially around 2s lgbtq plus persons drag performances
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things like that and then the harassment sometimes even goes so far yeah once again like this stuff
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of drag people being targeted or trannies being targeted um you know they're trying they're trying
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they're going after children at this point like they're coddling their content to children they
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never talk about that it's so disingenuous like it's it's these people are nuts are as to result
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in venues getting threats and bomb threats then there's the worst of the worst stuff that we see
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Hey, Evan, if you're watching, you're a terrible actor.
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what about made hold on encouraging people to kill themselves isn't that what the liberal party's
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doing again the consistency of any of this stuff is is pretty wacko um but and if the person if
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there's content that's actually promoting like real race um sorry terrorism that stuff usually
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already gets taken down by by big tech so but then again this guy has such a broad definition
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of terrorism you know he thought uh he thought the uh diagonalon was a terrorist cell right
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but you know the consistency and the track record of this person apparently isn't that important
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even though he's an expert expert but the reality is today that uh being online being part of an
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identifiable group uh can feel very threatening and very dangerous you know josey i'm wondering
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if you could build a bit upon that you know we were hearing how is he the only man on the panel
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well i guess he's not really a man but um yeah there's just the there's the asian bro from cpac
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evan and then the rest are women interesting noted you know josey i'm wondering if you could
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build a bit upon that you know we were hearing how gendered the attacks like this oh we were
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feeling so emotional about the hate online can can you add to this this this emotional uh this
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emotional crybaby party for example so i'm wondering from from your perspective what are
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you seeing in indigenous communities in particular how indigenous women are being targeted yes we are
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certainly seeing an increase in bullying cyberbullying against indigenous women throughout
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the country and indigenous women are reporting that through the various forms that they are
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targeted and sometimes for reason of ethnicity i mean how about the real life bullying from
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indigenous men is that not more pressing like like what about protecting indigenous women in
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real life because sorry to say i'm pretty sure there's a very strong correlation between crime
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domestic abuse and indigenous men in the indigenous community can someone fact check for that
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um but no the the online comments the comment section on the internet we need to take we don't
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need to prioritize the protection of indigenous women in real life no we need to protect them
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from mean comments on tiktok like it's just a bunch it's just a clown show this whole thing's
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just a clown show and it's i don't understand how these people sleep at night and it's it's
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very interesting right because this is just one collection of bureaucrats and people working for
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the ngos all sucking on the teat of the canadian government right and most of what they do in a way
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is fake it's all fake it's all baked it's all based on a sort of false reality that they sell
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and invent and exchange with one another uh you know the far right is the worst thing ever
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and it's all based on stuff that comes from left-wing think tanks
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and it's all nonsense it's all it's all fake it's all a bunch of we're going to talk about
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gender and the importance of accepting transgender people and the economies in the toilet uh there's
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rising crime uh no but we want to police internet comments and obfuscate the trans agenda that is
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you know actually preying on young people and messing with their minds like it's all it's all
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totally fake but it's a nice presentation they got the money they got the money so they will
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they will not bite the hand that feeds them and they will just feed into the bullshit narrative
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because that's where the trough is they there's just a dei trough and they're they just stick
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their face in there and they just eat it up and uh we also are seeing that the indigenous youth
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Lil Fringe says, have you ever partied on a reservation with natives?
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We interviewed Karima Sad, and she actually talks about it in those terms.
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She talks about the hate industry and how it's very profitable.
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It's a way to get Canadians to hate each other and have fear amongst one another.
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And it kind of gets used by different political factions for different reasons.
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Up to 35, 36% of Indigenous youth have been targeted as compared to non-Indigenous youth in this country.
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Callie, could you build as well a bit of what Gord was talking about, or Evan, rather, was talking about in terms of the fact that members of the 2SLGBTQ plus community are oftentimes the target of this harassment.
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hate yeah um we're definitely seeing it um and i think one of the the ottawa capital pride let's go
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let's go speaking of violence i wonder if she commented on uh on this where is it
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The things that's most tangible for me is we see it online and we're seeing it migrate into real life.
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So as you were mentioning, Evan, venues and other stakeholders when you're planning events are now getting threats and those threats are very tangible.
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So we're seeing this online space become very immediate for us at events.
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Immediate for you. Raisa, Children First Canada released a report earlier this year, some sobering numbers,
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because one of the findings was that in the last 10 years, I'm going to read this, online sexual exploitation of children has tripled.
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Talk to us a bit more about those finding and the abuse children are experiencing online.
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You know, these numbers are staggering with what you just said around tripled since 2014
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and specifically with online sextortion has increased 150% this year, right?
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And young people are looking for a safe space, the safe third space, which is the online world today.
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And, you know, they are facing those harms and, you know, facing every single day
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those sexploitation, this sextortion and the other harms that come into play every day
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to play every day without even them knowing about it right and they're just kind of taking it in
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just taking it in as you say and you know as you share all this i'm thinking about a survey which
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which cpac commissioned abacus data to to conduct for us earlier this year and so this i made a
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tick tock about this but this is a referani who has is presenting the online harms act and saying
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saying exactly this that we're going to protect kids online here he is their pride parade this
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is what happens at pride parades this guy is a bug this guy is naked with a bugs bunny mask
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with his just naked at this event so the liberal rubber stamps um events like this and then of
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course here are two other uh liberal mps uh it's cut off in the photo but this kid has like a
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rainbow colored skirt on so this idea that the liberal party this idea that the liberal party
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wants to protect kids from sexual exploitation i can also who's got the clip who's got the clips
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of the the clippings of these books that are in canadian public schools
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with all this like weird trans stuff and pornographic material the stuff in these
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books are so pornographic that even these school boards are like don't know don't bring that up
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well just let the kids read that we don't want to see that again it's like this this whole it's
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it's a clown show it's this whole thing is so disingenuous um there's so much resources behind
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it it's insane they're really gunning they're really gunning they're not gunning for your kids
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they're gunning for your tongue they want to rip your tongue out and i mean i'll bring it up in a
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but the undertone of this is that uh man we got to stop these white people we got to stop these
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like right-wing conservative people who are complaining about all this nonsense out of that
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survey they found that 42 percent of those who who responded either had experienced cyberbullying
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personally or knew someone who was victimized by it and to that take a listen to three people who
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were generous enough to show i uh i can't wait to see this um because i've been cyberbullied
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what's what's the threshold for being cyber bullied do you know how guys do you know how
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badly that I was roasted on my tiktok account by children it hurt my feelings I had my feelings
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hurt by children on tiktok I'm a victim I'm a victim okay so now you need to ban the internet
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you need to change the rules the gut you need to give the government the ultimate control to take
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down comments online because i felt offended by a tiktok comment it's totally insane
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share with us their stories so these are oh god
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this is the professional victim the professional victim uh look at just look at the look on his
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face look at the look on his face i can't wait to tell you about um this is my moment this is
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my shining moment where i talk about how people hated me on the internet all because i'm trying
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to groom children all because i'm trying to normalize i'm sexualizing minors and calling
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them trans kids and gay kids as if kids should have a sexuality at all yeah people are getting
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mad at you for that no shit i was bullied yeah imagine imagine imagine walking out in public
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like this and not expecting to get bullied oh man youtube just said on in the in the chat i
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can't do it greg i'm sorry hey man it's okay that's why i'm here sometimes i wish i could
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step back because it hurts it hurts okay here we go thanks for watching anyway i appreciate it who
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was victimized by it and to that take a listen to three people who were generous enough to share
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with us their stories sometimes i wish i could sorry i love that they were they were generous
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enough to share their stories as if faye johnson is not in the total attention whore who was
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chomping at the bit to get a spot on this uh on this panel yeah right i you know what i guess
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i'll share my story that's like her whole her whole grift her whole shtick is being this trans victim
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oh man who was victimized by it and to that take the fries in the bag who were generous enough to
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share with us their fries in the bag fay sometimes i wish i could step back because it hurts it hurts
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to be turned into a figure for mockery and a symbol of loathing for these canadian for these
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groups are you kidding me i i mean i'm sorry how could you how could you not be that
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like respectfully like like i can't believe they turned me they turned they turned you into a
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figurehead where is it i just tweeted about it the other day come on here we go let's hear that
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one more time do that take a listen to three people who were generous enough to share with
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us their stories hold that thought sometimes i wish i could step back because it hurts
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it hurts to be turned into a figure for mockery and a symbol of loathing for these far right groups
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this is her this is her on sorry him this is him on twitter we have been hated before we have been
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targeted before we have been here before we won then we will win now if the far right and their
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friends in public office want to start a culture war on lgbt we will rise to the challenge and we
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will win so uh yeah and i said over here they hate you because you're sexualizing minors and
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mischaracterizing it as a civil rights issue also you're male um so it's she's what do you mean i
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wish i could step back this is this is you're not gonna you're not even honest about anything you're
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doing so yeah this is this is funny wait can you guys see this shit anyway
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trent dab says you turn yourself into a figurehead yeah exactly it's it's uh it's it's the whole cry
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bullying thing right like i can't believe you would do this to me by the way this is great content
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you calling me a dumb tranny bitch i'm gonna use that as content as an excuse for me to exist and
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to to grift um are you going to be honest about how you're sexualizing minors i didn't think so
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i've struggled with suicidal ideation in my in my past as well and i was at the point where i
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didn't feel like i wanted to keep living either because all of the people that i cared about
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were taking their own lives if i knew then what i know now i would have had so many more heart
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to heart conversations oh wow interesting i think you i think you kind of just uh ants i think you
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kind of just actually touched upon something that would actually be productive i think that
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would actually be productive if i knew then what i do now maybe i would have talked to my daughter
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more often about using the internet, right? If I would have known then what I know now,
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I would have talked to my daughter more often about what she's doing on the internet.
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Hey, newsflash, nothing in Bill C63 does that. Nothing in the Online Harms Act does that.
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None of these politicians are even talking about that. None of these politicians are even talking
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about interfacing and talking to children about how they use the internet.
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It's all going to just lead to, hey, we got to pass this bill.
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All of the people that I cared about were taking their own lives.
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If I knew then what I know now, I would have had so many more heart to heart conversations with my children about.
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Unironically, that's probably a good takeaway with all of this.
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maybe don't just let your kid use the internet without supervision or talking to them about this
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stuff um that's that's actually a solution i could get behind giving the government an insane
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amount of control over all content this government no i don't i think that's completely irrelevant
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the online world about people about relationship building about um trust in communication
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want to talk about which is like if you're chronically online all the time probably not
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good for you in general they don't want to have that conversation though they're just raising all
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this alarmism and fear porn about hate so the government can take control of it it's disgusting
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amanda todd took her own life a month after posting a nine minute video on youtube using
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flashcards to tell her story as a victim of cyberbullying and online sexual exploitation
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I actually didn't know what was going on until the RCMP showed up at my door, right,
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telling me that there had been a call and that they were doing a child safety check.
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And that was the evening that Amanda's offender had posted her image out to the world
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to get back at her for not sharing more images and not doing videos as he was telling her to,
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so the threats. Her offender threatened her that if she didn't send more pictures or videos for him,
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he would put her picture out on the World Wide Web, and so he did. After that, when I became aware
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of it and attempted to have conversations with my daughter um she being a teenager was embarrassed
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right and she didn't want to talk about it and then eventually trent says the fact every kid
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has a cell phone now i don't see how the government can keep people safe
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yeah once again the the the whole character of this conversation is completely misguided
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Everything that this woman is talking about is not something that Bill C-63 would even help with whatsoever.
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You're talking about a child sex predator online who is entrapping your child.
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That happens through private communications.
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And it's a horrible, disgusting thing, of course.
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I wish I would have had more heart-to-hearts with my kid who killed themselves.
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so what why what are we doing talking talking about passing bill c63 legislation
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well maybe this will come up more we'll see when she was re-threatened again by this person
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she came to me and then i realized with facebook was one of the platforms that her vendor used
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how difficult it was i couldn't find the report button because there wasn't one i couldn't find
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a phone number. I couldn't find an email address. I couldn't find anything. In the 12 years since
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Amanda took her life, the number of social media platforms has exploded, with the digital
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advisory group Kepios reporting that by July 2024, there were over 5 billion social media users
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around the world. Billions of users and countless hours being spent online. Maddie Freeman was one
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of those users. At 12 years old, she struggled with depression and anxiety. So at that time,
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i didn't realize how much social media was negatively impacting me this is just so disgusting
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to watch them use these people as like political props until i got to high school and i saw some
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pretty extreme experiences from my peers i lost many friends to suicide throughout my years of
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high school into college to see my whole community in shambles because we just kept feeling like
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these deaths were never gonna end so like just imagine having somebody with one of these like
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genuine stories where the internet fucked you up and thinking that the mainstream media news
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and politicians actually want to help you like they actually want to help you this is the same
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government that promotes medical assistance in dying they promote medical assistance in dying
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and they think that they're going to help you with your depression they genuinely want that
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no they're using you as a political prop like it's so it's insane oh um for me the only antidote to
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being able to continue on and feel okay with myself was to take action. I knew that something
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needed to be done about this. Maddie founded Know So November, a global advocacy movement aimed to
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get teenagers offline in November and provide educational tools to empower teens when they are
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online. Women, children, vulnerable and Indigenous communities all experience higher rates of online
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abuse and cyberbullying, according to Statistics Canada. Transgender woman and activist Faye
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Johnstone was not prepared for the online abuse she began experiencing as her advocacy work
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increased. The piece of that that was hard was that no one knows how to support or help. And so
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you're seeing something you didn't expect. It's about you. It's personal and it's targeted. And
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you don't have anyone to tap in to say, hey, like this is really rough. This is also something that
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a lot of people don't see because it happens online. And it's like, you know, you mob somebody's
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Twitter mentions and not everyone around me is seeing that. So it would happen to me almost in
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this like silent little corner that is very personal to me but that's not necessarily getting
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seen uh by anyone around me what log off let's put the phone down what the hell this is is this
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the best they got this is actually pathetic i and i'm just i kept doom scrolling and looking at the
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mean comments and like no one else sees that only i see that because i'm looking at my twitter
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notifications and you're spending all day on twitter looking at all the hateful people in
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the comments that sounds like a you problem you know like what and there's just so many hateful
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comments uh-huh yeah yeah that's what that's what happens when you're a public figure honey
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you get hateful comments that's what and especially if you sexualize minors with your ideology
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yeah you're going to get hateful comments this same thing as if you were in a public square
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doing the same thing you're going to get people yelling at you and disagreeing with you
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if you enter a debate and you're like i want to sexualize minors and i think trans kids are real
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and gay kids are real and we need to we need to like talk about that more often the result is
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sexualizing kids in the classroom you're gonna get pushback you're gonna get people you're gonna
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get mother bears who are angry at you and what you're saying that's just this welcome to life
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hello this shit's just so basic it's heartbreaking uh it's heartbreaking uh and you know reading the
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twitter notifications heart is heartbreaking by the way i have a hard time like i'm a strong proud
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happy confident human man but it does uh you internalize all of that hate when you see it
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all of the time who does you do that's not healthy what and you see also what it does to
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your community um i have parents of trans kids who are scared to speak out about what's going
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on for their children because they know the risk is higher for them to be targeted because they see
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what happens to me trying to make trans kids a real thing is just pure evil there's always
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concerns about safety about cyber bullying online abuse um i think teens are very aware of these
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problems but the problem is that social she's right kids are very aware of these problems
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yet you have all these grown-ups thinking they can they can solve the problem uh by giving the
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government a whole bunch of orwellian power over what's said online yeah okay media has become so
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ingrained into our world and into our social circles that we feel trapped on the platforms
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a lot of teens struggle to find a healthy relationship with social media because everyone
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else that they're connected to is on it and using it actively i never thought that again i've said
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this many many times on stream before but like the the direction of the conversation is totally
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misguided if you want to have a conversation about people spending too much time online then by all
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means i agree with that a predator from across the waters like in another country would come
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after my child but the internet has no boundaries it's there's no door like i'm sorry i know this
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the the the daughter of this woman killed herself but like this is literally like a boomer discovering
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the internet for the first time you know like it's like these are supposed to be the experts
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on cyberbullying the front door of your house anymore when it comes to being online so did you
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know that the internet doesn't have boundaries can come from all over the world and appear in
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your house through the online world so literally explaining the internet okay thank you three
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powerful stories from individuals whose lives have been affected that by cyber bullying and
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online harassment and abuse carol todd's daughter manda todd lost her life to suicide in 2012
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maddie friedman friedman talked about contemplating suicide and losing her friends to suicide and
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Faye Johnstone, talking about the abuse and threats she receives online as an advocate.
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Yeah, I mean, just to juxtapose that, if I'm not mistaken, Canadian Afghan veterans more have
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killed themselves since coming back from Afghanistan than actually died in Afghanistan.
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There's a trend. There's a suicide trend. And our government doesn't really support our veterans.
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they kind of just give them a cold shoulder so yeah oh no the government cares this time though
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the government cares this time when they want to take control over the internet yeah
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those are pretty weak stories though that's uh i mean a reef for ronnie did you not help them
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with this because this is pretty bad this is pretty weak a reef hello a reef this sucks man
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this prop you you've put up better propaganda than this this is weak sauce you know evan it's
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hard not to be moved by those stories but i'm wondering if we can go back a little bit when
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did we start seeing and tracking this type of online abuse this kind of abuse uh has existed
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as long as the internet has existed ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding i actually agree
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with evan balgord this kind of abuse has existed as long as human beings have existed
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as long as human beings have existed they have hated each other they have harassed each other
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they've gotten mad at each other then human beings created laws and they made a line they said hey
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if you um you can say what you want as long as you're not advocating violence against somebody
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but the second that you actually start to advocate for violence or commit violence against somebody
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that's when we're going to draw the line and all the human beings said that seems like a pretty
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good line to have in the sand but then we can say what we want right like we can still hate each
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other yeah you can still hate each other cool so that's kind of where we've been and it's been
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it's been working out pretty well actually whenever whenever they go over that and start
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to censor people for their speech it usually ends up in tyranny and communism and violent
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regimes that will start eradicating uh sections of their population so but yeah tell me tell me
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more about the origins of hate spin all around ever since the internet yeah it's like the internet
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Then God created the internet and then hatred became a thing.
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As if bullying hasn't been around and hatred hasn't been around since the beginning of the dawn of time.
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What has changed is the mechanisms by which it happens.
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Everybody has become concentrated on platforms.
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it's it's it's gotten more bad it's gotten more intense yeah it's gotten more intense you got to
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go back to acting classes bro come on and uh we have created this culture of harassers earning
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fame and money for tormenting other people where they can build an audience that eggs them on
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and they go after target after target usually picking on on somebody's identity uh so what's
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new about it is that there are isn't that what the anti-hate network does though you work for
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the Canadian anti-hate network your whole thing is like ragging on people huh rewards and no
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punishments for this kind of behavior uh social norms seem to be breaking down in that people are
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less ashamed to be engaging in this kind of harassment of others I recall when we started
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doing this work if you found out who was behind some kind of far-right awful activity and named
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them and shamed them that would might make them disappear or at least stop that behavior like 70
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of the time I'm just pulling numbers out of my experience here I don't have a poll but if well
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and then here it is cats out the bag this is about the far right this is about right wing
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people doing awful things there you go you think anyone's going to clarify this for the rest of
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this clip no it's gonna it's no no it's the far right doing all of this it's the far right that
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is evil it's the far right that we must do something about that's where the awful stuff
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is coming from as if there can be no hatred coming from the far left as if there can't be
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identifiable groups all collectively hating and shitting on white people hashtag cancel canada
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today it's all part of the same agenda folks feels that that number has gone down that naming
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and shaming of individuals is less effective and people are being incentivized um for doing these
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kinds of harassment campaigns arisa i wonder if you could and once again no specifics they're not
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going to be specific about anything it's just hate it's just talk to us about the the impact
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this abuse actually has on the mental health of young people yeah absolutely so within our report
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we found that about one in five canadian young people experienced cyber bullying and online
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harms and that stats kind of follow with you know they may be experiencing some mental health
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challenges uh whether that be anxiety depression or even greater such as suicidal ideation attempt
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like what maddie had said earlier um and you know young people are struggling because there's been
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an onus on young people to learn more about media literacy and even parents within our report um you
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You know, we found that 65% of them feel not equipped to deal with the cyberbullying that's been happening within their own young people's lives.
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So it's a really tricky thing where, you know, we try to empower young people to learn more about the harms that they may be experiencing,
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but the supports are not there for them to take action.
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Kelly, what would you say about the impact on mental health when it comes to the 2SLGBTQ plus community?
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yeah I think um the 2SLGBTQ community has uh historically um you know been asked to open up
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to come out to be yourself to be authentic and I think um that is very important for us to feel
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free to do so but I think um you know online hate that we see and and cyberbullying is this authentic
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that affects us is this is this um is this guy in the bunny suit being authentic this is the this is
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the gay community this is the gay community coming out and being authentic that's that's
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authentic lgbt expression why are they hating us yeah i wonder i wonder why by keeping ourselves
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secret by keeping more things close to the vest and i think that that feeling of you know you
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can't be your true self uh you can't share um i think that really affects people's people's mental
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health you know in november the canadian mental health association they released a report on the
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state of mental health in this country and they found and really what's happening is right wingers
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are like trying to bring shame back they're trying to make shame a thing of like you should
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probably be ashamed of yourself uh for doing this with a bugs bunny mask on you know the community
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the the gay community should probably check themselves because a lot of people just kind
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of find some of this behavior gross okay uh because it you know you can say anything you
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want shitting on white people but the second that you criticize anyone in the lgbtq plus you're like
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this horrible monster um and yeah that the tides are turning because people are tired of that
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but we got to stop the hate now that mental health is three times worse right now than before the
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covid pandemic they also found that 38 of indigenous people reported their mental health
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as being poor or fair you know josie when we add online abuse and cyber bullying man i can we get
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like a study count here how many studies have been referenced in this like so many studies we got
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another study of the stats that were totally uh construed a specific way to give us the conclusion
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that we wanted to justify our political agenda very cool very cool into this can you talk to us
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about the impact that you're seeing in indigenous communities as a result of this type of harassment
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The community in general, but also on Indigenous women.
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Certainly that percentage does not surprise me
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that there is an increase in terms of Indigenous women
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and the feelings of bullying and the hate speech
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that's attached to it in terms of Canada's history
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with Indigenous peoples and in terms of the colonial constructs that we have had to live in.
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So that further perpetuates the feelings of isolation, the feelings of forced assimilation,
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and the feelings of not being part of the Canadian fabric, the way in which we want to be,
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And so that increases the vulnerabilities of Indigenous women and children and youth in this country.
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And so therefore, we feel the same. We feel the anxiety.
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like the stuff that i do for you guys the stuff that i do watching this sitting through this
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the stuff that i do for you guys sitting through these word salads sitting through these insufferable
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struggle sessions about our feelings and how horrible the colonization
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i just had a moment there saying i'm like where the why the fuck am i doing this
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why do why do i have to sit through this this nonsense can you imagine being there can you
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imagine being in the front row can you imagine being somebody listening to this and actually
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thinking it was like valuable and actually thinking yeah oh my god they're all such victims
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i mean what do we got we got um we got hate expert on the left we got you know women's oh by the way
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I looked it up. Do I have it here? Shit. Yeah, I got it
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right here. She's part of the YWCA. Oops, one sec.
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This woman here is part of the YWCA. The YWCA has a
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commitment to supporting trans women and gender diverse
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people. They denounce anti-trans discrimination and
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violence and stands in solidarity with trans women.
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They welcome trans women as leaders and participates in
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their programs and recognize their contributions to the feminist movement so yeah they let uh men
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into women's shelters they they let men into women's shelters that that's what um that's how
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that's what this woman does this guy works for cpac this is like the the gay representative
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this is the indigenous representative and uh i'm not sure this one's about uh kids i guess
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but uh yeah it's just a campaign against just regular regular canadians who are calling out the
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bs we have the suicide ideation we have all of those issues as everyone else only it's it's more
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because of the history of canada thank you you know i i'm thinking about this rising trend
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and services. And so Amanda, I wonder for you, as we talk about an increase in online harms,
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an increase in cyberbullying, are there the services to actually address the need?
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Here we go. We're going to get into solutions. What does YWCA stand for?
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I don't know. The W stands for women, probably.
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and gender diverse people of all faiths and backgrounds isn't that great isn't that fantastic
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more and more organizations are pivoting to be able to address that need and provide services
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not only for people who are experiencing online harms and particularly for youth but for the
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trusted communities in their life who might be able trend says but it's an organization that
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supports men yeah exactly yeah yep to help them respond and help them build resilience to this
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kind of hate. But unfortunately, there needs to be resources to support that kind of engagement
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and capacity building. And that's a place where WBC Canada is really calling for change. I think
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the other piece that we have to be cognizant of is, as we've heard a number of times, young people
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and everyone still remain in online spaces and particularly see social media as a place to build
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community and so need to be able to do so safely. And organizations who are supporting that kind
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of community building also need to be able to engage safely in online spaces. And I think there's
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Yeah, see, they're laying the groundwork for Bill C63 here, engaging safely in online spaces.
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So this is the whole argument that until we censor people, they cannot participate in democracy or the online space.
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This stuff is, I'm just getting so, it feels like Groundhog Day.
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There's not quite yet an ability to fill that gap to ensure that service providers and community organizations can be online to support their community in a virtual way and do so.
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safely for everyone they're all just talking they're talking about bill c63 that's all they're
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talking about if there was only a thing that could fill the gap there's only a thing if only there's
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like a piece of legislation spoiler alert they already have one i i can't wait till they first
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bring it up and they're gonna make it seem like it's this organic thing it's this totally organic
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thing oh my god oh my gosh you know i i want to get back to that survey that cpac commission from
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abacus data and you know david coleto is the ceo and the founder of abacus and and among the things
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we asked him to look into was was to just measure what canadians are saying about online harassment
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about cyber bullying sandy klein makes a great point she says many indigenous women and girls
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go missing the internet is vital for sharing info do they talk about that if they restrict it it
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Yeah, so thank you for the comments, Sandy Klein.
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He had a chat, I think, with Brian Lilly about Bill C-63
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and talked about how parts of this legislation could be used
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to hide harmful content that could be used as evidence
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to persecute somebody like a child sex predator,
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Because like, like what if the content is violent and sexual in nature and it's actual evidence that exposes someone for being evil or bad?
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And like, think about when you see a viral video of someone getting beat up of some outrageous thing happening in public.
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That stuff deserves to be seen so people know it's happening in real life.
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this legislation would give the canadian government the power to take down uh to take
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down content that they don't like and they have a whole smorgasbord of reasons to take down the
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content it's been very it's it's been it's been it's very clear that this canadian government
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will use its power to silence people and silence things they don't like so how are we supposed to
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believe that this legislation won't be used to take down the things they don't like that's bad
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for their reputation that's a bad look there's i mean and all signs all roads all signs point
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towards that based on the thing based on what we've seen based on that the fact they have
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on the board here which is part of a uh explicitly bipartisan organization that
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So, take a listen to what David Gledo and Abacus State have found.
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Well, look, I ask Canadians, you know, hundreds of questions every week about a range of things
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and to find, you know, close to 90% believing that something is a problem.
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These days, we don't, it's rare to find us all agreeing on a problem.
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More and more Canadians are agreeing with that.
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we're not going to talk about that. We're going to talk about censoring the internet. Sorry.
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... of how widespread public recognition is of the problem. Unfortunately, it doesn't really
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surprise me because I think we've heard anecdotally lots of stories of both women and those in racial
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ized communities saying, I feel more targeted. I'm more likely to be targeted from this. This
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survey just counts it up and shows just how widespread overall people's experience with
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cyberbullying is and how those in particular demographics seem to be the targets of it more
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who seem to be getting the brunt of this bullying
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not necessarily because of anything they've done.
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even the data guy is spouting the exact same rhetoric
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to support Bill C-63 and the progressive politics,
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which is they're they're being targeted for who they are was that in the survey was there a
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question about that in the survey was there a question of like you know being discriminated
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against for your different uh like was white one of the options for being discriminated against or
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was it just my you know like if you design the survey a certain way and this is actually
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specifically how they designed the survey that i took the link is from a way back i think i did
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like two years ago but um it was very clear that you know the far right and white supremacy was
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like hate they basically equated like white supremacy hate uh you know heteronormative
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all of that stuff is like where the hate is coming from like that's how this survey was
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construed so um yeah i just feel like i'm taking laps in a swimming pool full of shit right now
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I feel like I'm taking like watching this video. I feel like I'm just doing laps in and just
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I'm sorry for the graphic example, but that's I'm just letting you know how I feel right now
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live watching this. So David Coletto of Abacus Data. And again, the numbers here, 90 percent of
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Canadians believe there is some problem with online abuse. And in that same survey, 80 percent
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of respondents said cyberbullying was one of the most significant challenges, dangers facing young
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people. You know, Amanda, as you're listening to David there speak, I'm wondering if this backs up
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kind of numbers trend lines that you're seeing with the ywca and as you answer that i'm also
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wondering if you could build on it like where is this actually coming from are we talking about
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social media are we talking about dms are we talking about gaming can you break down where
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this is actually originating absolutely and i think uh without question we're seeing the same
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sort of trends in our own research in our own work at ywca not only in the levels of online
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hate and harm um that young women and gender diverse people particularly those who are um
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members of racialized communities. Young women and gender diverse people.
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These are newcomer communities or 2SLGBTQ plus communities are experiencing, but also that
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overwhelming consensus that this is an issue that people should be taking action on. And what we
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know is that, unfortunately, the harms can originate from any source online. And so social media, I
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think, is one that we have mentioned a number of times. And is it clear? The hate is coming from
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everywhere. It's coming from all sides. At least where we're seeing this harm happening, but it can
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happen um on a myriad of online platforms uh in public conversations in private conversations
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oh my gosh this is news to me people hate each other in conversation oh my goodness
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and there needs to be a sort of nuanced approach to addressing these individual ways that um online
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harm can manifest you know you you mentioned okay so she didn't really answer the question
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she basically said hate can come from anywhere nuance i'm also wondering if you if there's a way
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of nuancing you know the the the source person or organizations and evan i'll ask you to talk about
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that because are we talking about uh an individual the source person or organization okay we're
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getting we're getting warmer here using uh social media or these platforms to abuse are we talking
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about we're going to talk about elon musk bots are we talking about coordinated efforts and
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where if at all is a region targeted um so different platforms vary in how much they have
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created an environment of hate and abuse um and in particular you know these platforms have been
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driven for a long time by profit motive by maximizing engagement at the cost to their users
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now we see you know the evolution of that certain platforms have become much much worse than others
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because some have leaned even further into that and with elon musk's takeover of twitter and x
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we have now seen not just a profit motive behind this very large company but what seems to be an
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ideological motive behind musk replying to white nationalists trying to use twitter to influence
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the politics of the country there so he is okay twitter was in bed with the cia in the previous
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election now twitter is owned by elon musk elon musk is very close friends with trump so it's like
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Like, it was this, you could make that argument, but it was the same before.
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So, and the ideology he's speaking about is freedom, is the Constitution, is free speech.
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But, you know, just hand it to the establishment, progressive, uber-left in Canada to just clutch their pearls over an Elon Musk meme or an Elon Musk reply.
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gosh it's created a space um that is hostile towards people who would advocate um for human
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rights and amenable to people who would advocate against human rights so it's it's just so annoying
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that we have these experts so-called experts on online harm and bullying and they're literally
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all like far leftists they're literally all leftists talking about online harms and bullying
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as if that's like the entire scope of conversation that's the entire scope of the human experience
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that's the entire scope of the world that we live in just these this just these things out here all
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this all this hateful stuff out here that's what we got to get rid of as if like they're not even
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human beings they're not even like people as if conservatives don't even got a seat at the table
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don't even get a chance to defend themselves or have their voices heard or disagree with
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sexualizing children or radical demographic change through mass immigration you know oh
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they're just white nationalists they're just these shitty nazi people like it's uh and again guys
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who was fighting back against this if if this was just if this was just some like stupid press
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progress little panel i wouldn't really care that much okay if it was just like some leftist
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little blog doing their YouTube channel. That's fine. That's not what we have here. We have the
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leaders of these, you know, NGO organizations. This guy's on the news on a regular basis. I'm
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pretty sure they're going to have politicians. This guy runs abacus data. Okay. And is Pierre
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Polyev fighting back against this? No, there's no, no people are aggressively identifying this
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problem and exposing it. But that is why I have started safe free speech dot CA. And that's why
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this documentary that I'm making is so important because it's going to reach out of our echo
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chamber and it's going to reach people. I swear, I swear to you, you might think it's crazy. It's
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going to reach people like this. We're, we're higher. We've hired this award winning documentarian,
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this award-winning filmmaker who has all of the dirt, all of the dirt on the Canadian Anti-Hate
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Network. And they connect it to the teachers unions. And we connect it to the mainstream
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media. We connect it to the Trucker Convoy. We connect it to the Million Man March for Kids
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and how all these people get smeared. They get their reputation smeared. They get dehumanized.
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They get persecuted, thrown in jail, some of them. There's a very clear pattern of how this network
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works and how they all have the same far left ideology and people need to understand what's
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happening here it's not just trudeau there's a whole network of the managerial class some people
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call it who prescribe to this progressive far left ideology and they need to be exposed like
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canadians patriots they need to understand what's going on here and that's what we do
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in our documentary you can go to give send go.com slash save free speech to donate
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we've done over eight we're almost at 10 interviews i think of different people
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we've interviewed a couple lawyers we've interviewed professors we've interviewed
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uh teachers who have been canceled the patriots who have been thrown in jail
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um and we're telling the story looping it all together and exposing these corrupt
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non-governmental organizations um yeah i think it's a very important piece because it's like i
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that is going to reach out of our echo chamber.
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For doing these kinds of harassment campaigns.
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Arisa, I'm wondering if you could talk to us about this.
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So within our report, we found that about one in five
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Canadian young people experience cyberbullying and online harms.
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As you answer that, I'm also wondering if you could build on it.
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like where is different platforms there against human rights so it varies platform by platform
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and as I said before in terms of like where it is coming from there is a lot of hate and it gets
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fomented and whipped up by a fairly small number of individuals who have become content creators
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or started sort of like fake news platforms and things like that that managed to whip up
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people into a frenzy to then go after particular groups you know so we so it's funny it's you know
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it's really funny that he says that it's funny that he says that because uh i'm about to share
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a clip from the documentary or from one of the interviews we did with um karima sad maybe you've
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heard of karima sad she is a lawyer criminal lawyer in toronto she you know she interacts
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I just want to make sure I can hear the sound too
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Would you say that the Anti-Hate Network has done personal or professional reputational damage to you?
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Yeah, the Anti-Hate Network has really tried, I think, to bury me.
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again you know through its own media and commentary and also through proxies.
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What's really striking though is that I'm just one person who's been through
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this and over the course of my work I've encountered many other Canadians who
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have received similar treatment whether directly from anti-hate or it through
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more informal channels because of course the idea of a network is almost
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deliberately like it's amorphous right who's part of a network and I've come to
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learn about various groups that exist online primarily centering around
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discord servers where there is a real attempt to stalk and disparage Canadians
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and you know what's the purpose I think whether it's to drive people to civil
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ruin or criminal consequences or even suicide this is a real phenomenon that
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that exists and you know it could be much bigger than sort of the small scope
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that I have but what I have seen is deeply disturbing and that's what keeps
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me in this looking to expose it so that hopefully it can be dealt with I don't
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think that our political leaders or law enforcement at the moment are doing a
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good job dealing with it would you say that the anti-hate network has done uh well there you go
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there you go i mean it's something that's going unchecked it's something that people are not
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paying attention to it is uh it's almost like anti-hate the canadian anti-hate network is
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guilty of these things the anti-hate network has done isn't that interesting could the could the
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canadian anti-hate network be bullying people themselves and weaponizing the internet against
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their political enemies and doing this very same thing that they're saying they're trying to stop
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well they say they're a politically partisan organization that is proudly anti-fascist
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It's almost like everything that this guy is saying
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um you know during covet it was like sorry it was muted you didn't you didn't miss much it was the
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start of like people talk about media literacy um and i think i do want to bring up that you know
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many young people are digital natives right so they are very familiar with the concepts of social
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media and seeing that as a third safe space safe very relatively you know in question um but i think
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with more awareness and more education and you know even though richard mitchell says great job
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greg thank you once again if you want to like that was just a raw clip of us interviewing karima
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if you want to donate and see more stuff like that we have a whole bunch of interviews in the can
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The reason that I haven't been posting more content is because I've been interview, I've
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been, sorry, starting to cut up and take notes on all these interviews, work it into our
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But if you want to support, you know, if you want to support that project for that clip
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was from, then please go to givestandgo.com slash sayfree speech.
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We have the onus of, you know, making young people to learn more about media literacy,
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but can we push that into the broader system within our education system or even the policy?
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yeah let's get a let's get an anti-hate toolkit we could call it put it in the schools
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right in regards to the legislation within some of these uh social media spaces you know big d says
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union leaders zoom meeting went public calling members to dress up like antifa to go against
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freedom that there was a loop there was a leaked zoom call i don't i don't think the union members
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said dress up like antifa but they did uh they did allude to seasoned activists who can help
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them and they did allude to intimidating and demoralizing protesters who care about their
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children's uh freedom and not to be kind of perverted by sexual ideas in schools these were
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union members supporting the idea of demoralizing uh protesters very militant very antifa minded
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um there's a lot of other good stuff in that kareem a interview actually alluding to this
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but anyway let's keep it going tally i'm wondering if you are a member of the 2s lgbtq plus community
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and you find yourself being targeted or victimized by this type of heritage i'm targeting her right
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now this meant this cyber bullying what is the recourse are there services supports for members
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of the community how about uh putting your phone down and going for a walk is that a resource
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does that work um i guess the short answer is no um not that i've found or been able to take
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see how they all nod they're all nodding they're all nodding yes yes yes yes yes
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oh look oh look it's oh you can't see that shoot can you see it over here
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anyway a referani comes later so we know this is all leading to bill c63 it's all very predictable
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i've seen this one before i know how this ends take advantage of um and i think uh just as we
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were all all speaking here uh something that kind of struck me is um you know for for me personally
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and and for many in my position uh it's not it's not just in the personal sphere uh on social media
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but it's also at work um my inbox has been a very nasty place um and that just has massive
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effects on community right so when we're talking about um what is that what do you what do you mean
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that that just has massive effects on community because you got hate mail these people don't
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these people are not good at selling this you know i'm trying i'm trying to i'm trying to have
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something to grapple with here that's challenging but it's just the same you guys have just been
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selling the same shit over and over again your atrocity propaganda is weak um my feelings hurt
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is that it my feelings hurt your identity being part of the rotten studio says her box is a nasty
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place ah that's a good one that you do and then um you know being thrust into into that spotlight
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um and and having uh this kind of online presence um it it's a scary place for sure
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okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna reach into my toy box here i don't know what this is
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oh god this guy this guy this guy is like just ridiculous
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the heart of creation and innovation it's just that our aesthetics
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queer people of color have always been the heart of creation and innovation
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it's just that our aesthetics make it onto the runway never our bodies
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we're always the mood boards never the models and so i actually feel like what social media
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has done is created a cage made out of glass, where constantly people say, I see you online,
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but then I ask, why don't you see me on the train next to you? Why don't you see me on
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the runway? Why don't you see me on TV? It's because you still think I'm a freak show.
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And so what social media has allowed is a digital freak show. People scroll and they
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follow and they say wow look at these obscure strange people and they mine us for inspiration
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but it's still another specter of our dehumanization gender non-conforming people of color
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i can't believe people would call this person a freak show i can't believe people would call
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this person a freak show can you imagine calling this person a freak show it's it's just it's just
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like you're an attention whore you know what I mean like so much of it isn't is being an attention
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whore and there's actually stats backing this up guys this isn't me just being a dick this isn't
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just me being provocative you can look this up people who are gender non-conforming and they do
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and they dress up like this they have a personality disorder that's about attention seeking so but no
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but this woman is just like i can't believe people are bullying us yeah i like it's it's
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it's mission impossible for these folks they're like we need to stop the hate and you you have
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you know you have homosexuals addicted to methamphetamines spreading diseases like no
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one's business even inventing new diseases like monkey pox and then people are going to point
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that out and make jokes about it and then it's like we have to stop the hate and it's like no
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you guys just need to be responsible you guys just need to be able to take criticism because
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there's a lot of valid criticism and if you haven't noticed this progressive agenda is all
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about empowering freaks like yourself and uh but but of course they never they never get the the
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especially uh you know detestful or disgusting freak on the panel they always get someone who's
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very proper and it's like okay are you going are you going to defend the behavior of disgusting
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people at the pride parades are you going to defend this no you're just going to ignore that
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your car so you're going to ignore that and then say i care about gay rights and anybody who
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criticizes or gets mad at gays is this horrible person and we need to stop it yeah it's disingenuous
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josey i'm wondering if you could talk to us about supports whether there are any for
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indigenous women and their families who who become targeted or victimized through through online
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Yes, thank you. Currently at Native Women's Association, we do have a program called Safe Passage, and in the program we have a component on cyberbullying and violence and offer safety advice, where to go, resources, how to protect themselves, those kinds of things.
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And so, having said that, we're not reaching anywhere near enough of the folks that we need to.
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One of the research documents that I read just recently said that Indigenous women youth should be researched separately because of our lived experiences, which are different based on the colonial constructs that I previously mentioned.
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And so the research needs to be targeted towards Indigenous women, youth, due to poverty,
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sometimes don't have the resources that are required to keep individuals safe.
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But I do believe that schools have a responsibility.
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IT companies have certainly a bigger responsibility.
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Government has a responsibility to create safer spaces within social media.
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Listen, I'm going to ask you to hold on to those thoughts because we'll continue the conversation.
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But I also want to bring in another statistic, again, from the survey that was done by Apex's data after being commissioned by CPAC.
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And in that poll, they found that 58 percent of respondents said online hate and bullying was a deterrent for qualified people who are considering running for public office.
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Let's go. Hatred, working, intimidating people, stopping them from running for office.
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i mean i know someone personally who didn't run for the ppc because they were afraid of the
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professional consequences of associating with the people's party of canada so once again like
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is that is that ever factored in that side the other side no probably not um by the way that
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woman was just talking about uh you know native life and i just thought there's actually a really
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like crazy section of tiktok that's like um jokes about living on the red like on a native
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residence where's the volume where's the volume where's the volume
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there we go that is a big yo bro can i have a cup of water uncle
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I hear you go and I feel real small like your wee nook.
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You think you're bigger and more solid than me?
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Only big onks could drunk out of big cups.
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Can I have a couple? Okay, don't you just love the internet?
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Yeah, settle down. I said my girl is in one, not twelve. I ain't like that no more, bro
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Okay, that's a dozen. I said she's our cousin. So they're making fun of having sex with your cousin
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Again, like am I allowed to laugh at that or is that me targeting a community or whatever?
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Can I have a couple you want to take the mattress to the living room or what come with me you trust me?
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for those that don't know the joke is that the sheet is the door and apparently that's a thing
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that happens a lot on the res um again is that like is that racism is uh they're targeting
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themselves with these this humor like it's uh i don't know it's because the thing is is if they
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make that joke it's fine because they're native if i made that joke it'd be totally not okay
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because i'm white or whatever you know what i mean like it's it's uh all the stuff that they
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talk about in the online harms and stuff is uh it's they don't distinguish between criticism
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between humor between satire or hate they're just kind of saying it's all hate it's all horrible
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because that's another thing that's another great point which is
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some people will find this and be depressed and they'll think it's hateful and they'll make a
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comment and they might get bullied in the comment section okay so what that's the problem of the
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person can like you know browsing the internet but we need an answer we need some sort of answer
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to this let's see what the answer is all levels federal provincial local are facing more abuse
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more online harassment uh and we did speak to a few politicians about their experience with this
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type of online hate take a look let's go the very i hate who h in chat if you hate politicians let's
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go first times i i received online abuse i sometimes reached out to the person and said
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why are you talking like that? But then I would be inundated. There would be, there's times when
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there's sort of like, almost like a concerted campaign to just drive you off Twitter or drive
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your Facebook into the ground, and you can't keep up. So it's in the morning, I get up, get a cup
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of coffee, and I block, block, block, block, block, so that the people who are on my site are people
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who want to talk. Well, it's awful, and it's, it's, it wears on you, quite frankly. This is a...
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you're a politician. You're a politician. You're a public servant.
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Interfacing with the public is what you do. Getting criticism, getting feedback from the
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public, that is a huge part of your job. And if people are mad at you or hating on you,
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maybe there's a reason for it. Maybe there's a reason for it.
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vocal minority but they're bullies they like to intimidate and it's um it's difficult especially
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if it involves family um i think that's that's one of the hardest if somehow um family gets
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brought into it an mp talked about an email that they received threatening to rape his wife
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you know and i've had media say to me and and people have written well you this is what you
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chose to do you need to get thick skin and toughen up the hate started pretty soon after i
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They just poor woman just used as a political puppet.
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Look at this used and abused political puppet by the Liberal Party.
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They just used her as a puppet, and they just threw her aside, man.
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damage done i think you've caused more damage than any amount of people calling you the c word
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uh on twitter or real life for that matter came in a sort of environment and climate change
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now it's kind of quaint i was called climate barbie um although it wasn't all that quaint
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if you looked at the tweets they often you know had like violent acts where they would crush a
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barbie okay so again take taking the funny part of climate barbie and then just associating it
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with the stuff that might be potentially illegal to say
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Yeah, because they want to pass more bills
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It was pretty brutal from the start, but I ignored it.
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My team was said, like, do not do anything with this.
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We were talking with world leaders about climate policy.
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And I noticed that Jerry Ritz, who was a colleague, a conservative in the House of Commons,
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had tweeted something about, you know, something stupid, how stupid I was in climate Barbie.
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and i just said to my team i was like okay folks like i'm saying something back i had multiple
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death threats i had a woman incarcerated can we just replay on how like silly that is
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my colleague criticized me and it's like i'm gonna reply and it's like yeah that's twitter
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this is supposed to be serious is this this is supposed to be a serious thing right here
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it's crazy once but three times as a result of this um and in the 2022 election i just couldn't
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take anything anymore I was being targeted and harassed not just online but in person and I
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decided to self-harm to stop it because my world became incredibly small I was suffocating and I
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wanted to die and a lot of this was because of online trolls without any sort of name or
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identifier around so like this is so counterintuitive because if you show this to online
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trolls they are going to feel so empowered the fact that they have learned that their bullying
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has caused you to be so emotionally tilted that you wanted to end your life that like
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emboldens the trolls and you're basically saying yes these bullies are so powerful i can't manage
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the internet comment section and how i deal with my own life these trolls these oh my god stop
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these anonymous accounts i don't think they realize how how uh how this totally fuels the
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fire and just emboldens online trolls my gosh this is a conservative by the way on them but
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who felt that they were able to get to me very closely and to personalize things including with
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my family and uh really wanted to eliminate me i ended up in the hospital eliminate me
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i see i'm a detail guy i would love to see the details of like any of what they just brought up
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um because they just went from i wanted to kill myself from climate barbie being called climate
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barbie and they're seriously like pushing those two things together as if they're like equivalent
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are you kidding me like ridiculous when i started to get the first death rats online
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i was really shocked and i was shocked that there seemed to be so little
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anybody know what charlie angus was doing why do people hate him um think so little i could do
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about it when people are saying you're being i mean you can hunt it you're never going to see
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coming tell your family to arrange a funeral well is that just an idiot in
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their mom's basement or is that someone who actually is going to do it and I
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think the bigger area of concern that I have is that it's not threat a or person
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B that is going to actually follow through to the result it's when you
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create an atmosphere where threat is seen as normal that someone else will
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act and that when it becomes when you demonize public officials to such a
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level that it's not just the swears and the hate but the actual threats it will
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trigger someone who's probably unstable to do something it's not just members of
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part I mean this is so rich coming from the establishment that regularly
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demonizes and human uh dehumanizes um donald trump conservatives right wingers i do this all
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the time they downgrade and ignore um you know any sort of uh hatred or violence that the right
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wing receives i brought this up already this is something that did not make a headline anywhere
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in canada it's somebody protesting the gender indoctrinations in schools and um
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yeah so like that violence doesn't really get covered right so antifa violence doesn't really
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get covered so it's just kind of annoying when they kind of try to use this emotional argument
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and uh it's clearly a completely lopsided one and they don't give a fuck at all about people
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who don't have their politics right parliament i'm talking to municipal counselors who are facing
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this in small towns i'm talking to to provincial mlas that's every day for some politicians
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including me feeling like there's no allies there's no light there's no support
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and what about your pension what about what about uh your salary there's lots of support
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you know you know what you could do lisa you could you could buy an app with all the money you have
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hey, you've been spending too much time on Twitter.
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or if you're seriously like worried about someone might be stalking you or whatever you can you
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know obviously call the police if you have any sort of leads on who this person might be if it's
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a real threat or not or you could even try to hire a private investigator there's a lot of things to
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do but i just really feel like you know looking and reading the mean comments and like commiserating
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about it and panicking is uh yeah i don't think it's a good idea when you start to internalize
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that you not only are that's the second time we've heard that term that i remember internalize
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when we internalize that why are you internalizing it it's a it's a bunch of older folks who just do
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not know how to navigate the internet and they take everything too seriously nice in the bully
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space but you start to dehumanize your liquid gal says stay off your phone then she needs some cheese
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for that wine yeah and the most annoying thing with public officials complaining about this is
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I would love if they covered what these people did as well, because in the case of Christia Freeland, I mentioned it, but like, you know, she is, she is rightfully hated.
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People, people are very justified in, in, in hating this woman in terms of like the, the, the egregious decisions and fumbles she'd made.
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he's made as a public official um and i just feel like that's really really important to the context
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of what we're talking about yourself too and you have no self-esteem left and i mean especially
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i'm not gonna i'm not gonna go into detail here but like especially during covid and stuff
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uh locking people down forcing kids to wear masks forcing people to take a uh untested
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medical product. Yeah, you kind of deserve to be hated. You deserve to be hated. And
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because what you're doing was totally wrong and immoral, and did cause lives. If you want to talk
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about depression and forcing people online, you want to talk about people being depressed and
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being online. Let's talk about all of these lockdown rules that you imposed upon the entire
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country, including children. I can't believe they're depressed online. Yeah, you force them
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and i go for a walk and i realize hey it's just the internet it's just the internet okay if there's
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a valid threat on your life that's different but if it's a hateful comment it's a stupid it's just
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the internet ah i just feel like i'm going crazy i'm sorry if i hurt your earlobes with my yelling
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for those of us with an underlying mental illness it it can be deadly i do report it and i did like
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these politicians online harassment can be deadly and this is what's spooky folks because
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she is a conservative this woman is a conservative lisa mcleod this is another thing that will
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probably be fighting it back against with the safe free speech but uh the conservatives also
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have an online harms bill that they want to pass i'm not going to get into the detail but like that
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is another potential threat for our free expression on the internet coming from the
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conservative party the response from the police is quite frankly underwhelming usually the response
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i get is what would you like us to do or we have three options we can do nothing we can phone the
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individual or we can look at pressing charges what would you like us to do and my response is this
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Oh yeah, someone got like raped over there
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Social media companies need to be held accountable.
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gets caught up in being worried that it looks like you know they're you know they're controlling
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speech uh or they are something to do with freedom of speech hate speech is not freedom of speech
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uh yeah it is uh yeah it is yeah it is this is not a thing i think like what a ditzy valley girl
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listen to how terrible that that uh clip was social media companies need to be held accountable
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like the online harms bill. I think sometimes government gets caught up in being worried.
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Frankly, underwhelming. Usually the response I get is, what would you like us to do?
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Or, we have three options. We can do nothing, we can phone the individual, or we can look at
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pressing charges. What would you like us to do? And my response is, you're supposed to be the
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experts, but at the very least, I want you to call the individual. Social media companies need to be
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held accountable, like the online harm spill. I think sometimes government gets
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caught up in being worried that it looks like you know they're you know they're
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controlling speech or it's something to do with freedom of speech. Hate speech is
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not freedom of speech. It's just not a thing. I think that there needs to be
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the tools in place to address these threats of democracy in a better way so
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that the lone municipal council or the lone member of parliament's not having to face these on their
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own by dealing with police and trying to deal with the courts. I think there are tools that
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could be used to to lessen the threat and menace but right now it's everybody's waiting to see
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what happens next. I really were totally disingenuous totally disingenuous criticizing
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politicians as part of democracy this entire time they've just conflated everything to imply that
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That us getting criticism and hate is basically we're getting threatened.
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It's like, okay, were there actual credible threats?
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Then yeah, call the police and figure that out, sure.
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But you're conflating everything together.
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Climate Barbie getting called names as if it's like a crime to call out a shitty politicians
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who's fucking up for their country and their constituents.
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I think there are tools that could be used to lessen the threat and menace.
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But right now, everybody's waiting to see what happens next.
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If we're not careful, someone is going to be hurt,
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either at the hands of one of these perpetrators or threats,
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I think that suicide is going to be a very big issue for us as we move forward.
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And we cannot underestimate the impact of this online hate.
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All of these politicians are terrified trying to end their own lives.
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I mean, that's interesting because, again, they don't have any details here.
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and like details are so important if you if you want to if you wanted to seriously have a
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conversation about controlling content on the internet details would be of the utmost important
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portents but i've been researching this stuff for months and anytime that people like this
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who are part of the establishment or part of the bigger ngos media companies politicians
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they don't go into any detail at all none no specifics they just they amalgamate everything
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together hate criticism it's the same thing as death threats it's totally disingenuous
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getting tired of it to be honest now the samara center in toronto they use a machine known as a
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sam bot to analyze millions of comments made during elections it also helps provide some
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insight into how this type of harassment and abuse is affecting our politics and our democracy
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here in Canada. And to that, take a listen now to the CEO of that company, Sabrina Delong.
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If you want to seek elected office entail a high volume of abuse, that will be quite severe.
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I'm sorry, guys. I'll be back in like 10 seconds.
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We need to think about affecting our politics and our democracy here in Canada. And to that,
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Take a listen now to the CEO of that company, Sabrina Delon.
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If you want to seek elected office entail a high volume of abuse, that will be quite severe.
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And so we need to think about this as conditions of work so that we can bring this conversation down to earth.
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These are people who are elected to serve our interests.
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What conditions do you want your representative working under so that they can do their best for you?
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and violence occurring in a digital format is still violence and so we're
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facing such complex challenges right now with our democracy related to trust
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risk and information and we need to be responsive to these realities of what
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it's really like to be an active citizen offline and offline because there's a
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connection and the reality is is people don't feel safe performing these roles
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and if people don't feel safe performing them then they're not going to step
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forward or increasingly will be attracting people who also want to facilitate uh this type of
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violent and uncivil behavior which this this woman is actually a weapon because everything she's
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saying uh doesn't really make any sense violence online is still violence the fuck you talking
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about what what do you mean violence is online is still violence like this woman is a master of
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just smushing everything together you know when i talk about like blurring the lines between actual
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crime and speech she's doing this like effortlessly and uh and of course of course
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she's a brown woman every time they want someone to like protect protect democracy and anyone who
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he's trying to inspire terrorists you know and but she would sound very reasonable and very
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measured in the way she speaks about it this is uh you know i don't like what she's saying she's
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totally full of it but she's she's a weapon in terms of her uh this is basically the female
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arif varani as far as i can tell it's going to have a very corrosive and damaging effect
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on the practice of our politics in canada so a bit of a snapshot as to how this online abuse
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is affecting politicians and by extension our democracy in this country you know when you add
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that again like i know like i know i'm a broken record here but this is clearly leading up the
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bill c63 it's like why don't you just say it's about bill c63 you know what i mean they're trying
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to make it like it's going to be this surprise at the end surprise we have the legislation already
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you know but but they're making it this drawn out sort of like mystery novel how are we going
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To the discussion that we as a group have already had, I'm going to ask each one of
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What is your biggest concern, your biggest fear, if we don't address the problem and
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come up with some type of solution to make sure this doesn't spread and get worse?
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I'd also like to react to something that we saw there, where these are, in some cases,
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sitting members of parliament, and they have a lot of privilege and a lot of power.
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and even they feel helpless in some cases going to law enforcement but many other people don't
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even have close to that privilege they're not having law enforcement ask them hey what can we
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do and giving them options they're having law enforcement not take their report or not take
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it seriously or say there's nothing we can do because it's online so I just want to acknowledge
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that I have a lot of sympathy for that the regular person out there has it unfortunately a lot worse
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if they are the target for these these campaigns my fear for the yeah but Evan clearly people are
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going to hate public officials more because they're the ones that kind of are rightfully
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receiving a disproportionate amount of attention because they're public officials.
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And once again, the lack of detail, the lack of detail on any of the like, oh, it's hate.
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Oh, it's like, what are we actually talking about here?
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Because I bet you if we went through every single one and every single thing, it would
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be it would be a mixed bag there would only be so many things that were actually you know a a
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viable sort of threat or potentially criminal uh speech or behavior but of course they don't want
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to talk about that they want to just all smash it all together the future um is the normalized
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yeah jennifer francis says they can dish it but can't take it same with trudeau that's a great
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point it's a great point they completely villainized unvaccinated people they completely
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villainized and dehumanized right-wingers on a regular basis punch a nazi tear down a sir john
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a mcdonald statue burn down a church it's understandable this is something that gerald
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butt said this is justifying violence justifying crime and arson against specific identifiable
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groups in canada but those identifiable groups are white christian conservative men so all of
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that was totally fine people who are proud of our country proud of sir john a mcdonald you can shit
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on them tear down the statues all you want that's not hate that's just progress but all that gets
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totally fucking ignored and the second that people start pushing back and criticizing other people
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or saying something oh they're getting too angry no no that's not allowed anymore that's not allowed
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anymore that's that's hate gender invert are you talking about uh you're talking about
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i don't know i don't know if it's uh i'm not sure what gender he is this harassment has already led
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to people being murdered and killed, and it will...
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They're having law enforcement not take their report
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or not take it seriously or say there's nothing we can do
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So I just want to acknowledge that I have a lot of sympathy for that.
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The regular person out there has it, unfortunately, a lot worse
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my fear for the future um is the normalization of this harassment has already led to people
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being murdered and killed fact check okay what's the who's who's been killed over hate and harassment
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um and it will continue to do so in the future uh and on the horizon right now in this country
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like it really don't like you're not going to give the example how the fuck can he they've
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inciting study study study oh we got all the studies all the evidence what about can you get
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in a fucking example of someone being killed we're not going to get an example we're not going to get
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the receipt for that we're just going to we're just going to keep moving past that okay um i don't
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think that we are moving in a direction where that is going to lessen what would you say he
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thinks people are going to die because of twitter comments someone's died already from twitter
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comments can you give the example no uh no i'm not going to do that echo evan's fear that i think
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there's a great risk of online harms translating into offline violence um and offline loss and i
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also worry that um what we're seeing and what what is being experienced is that young people
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and young women and gender diverse people in particular are stepping away from public life
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they are stepping out of online space they're stopping they they no longer share their
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perspectives and opinions and their passion for perhaps changing the world which is something
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why WCA so desperately wishes to foster and instead they are disengaged and I think that
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hold on hold on though like if we follow her logic that these people are inspired to change
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the world and they're afraid to go online you know what I'm saying like it like you like you're
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afraid to go out there and share your opinion on the internet, but I really want to change the
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world. Like you're not going to make it like you're, you're not, you're not going to change
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the world. Like, how are you going to change the world? If someone hating on you is going to be a
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deterrent from you, even speaking, if you cannot stand up to somebody hating you and opposing you,
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you're not going to change the world so you're saying that we need to silence other people's
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voices in order for what some racialized minority gender diverse person to change the world i think
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that you're actually using their hurt feelings to try and pass legislation to change the world
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by taking away free speech and free expression i think that's what's happening here no these little
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these little scared gender diverse people are going to change the world but they can't because
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there's hateful bullies on the internet so once we science the hateful bullies then we can change
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the world and it's like going to be like ariel from the little mermaid but she's going to be a
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black trans ariel and then she's and then she's gonna then she's gonna come online once the
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bullies the the they're gonna part the seas of the hateful trolls and this one ariel black
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indigenous in a wheelchair woman she's gonna make that tweet i want world peace and then the whole
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world is saved that's that's the world that these people live in that's like the movie that they
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have in their heads it's completely delusional is concerning for the health of our democracy now but
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also very much in the future as we look to think about who may serve as elected officials and um
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you know, shepherd our country into the future as well.
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and to deal with these abuses and bullying on an individual basis.
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I think having conversations like this are a good start
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to be able to quantify and to understand the quality
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because as we've been saying it can often be a very individual experience so i think just making
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spaces to to talk about it uh is is both a positive but it's also a very scary thing to
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to step into so um i i worry that people um won't feel that they they have the space to
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have conversations like we're having today josie they won't have the space can you hold that can
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you hold that space for me can you guys hold that space for me please please hold that space
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for me because we need to be able to hold hold the space hold that space for me i want to i want to
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i don't know if this is going to be worth it maybe this can this work let's see if this works just
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one second oh man computer my pewter is not what it used to be guys hold on come on come on
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this would be very funny i i just have this idea in my head i wanted to try and show it to you
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guys like it would be so appropriate if at the front of the stage there was just like a massive
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Oh my goodness, they're calling us these names.
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just crying crying crying the mean words the mean words is basically the same as
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like threats and people killing us and it's the violence can you be more
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specific no you can't you got hate mail and it affected your day and now you
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want to control the internet you fucking break I my my biggest fears are going to
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see more people dying I mean the rate of murder of missing and murdered
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indigenous women in all of their diversity the numbers are much higher than it is for non-indigenous
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women and that is the same stat for for uh indigenous youth as well who are dying at the
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hands of cyber bullying at the hands of other other sources including government as well and so greater
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um this this this woman is the weakest link she is the weakest link this is the most outrageous
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statement people are dying they're going to die more it's the government it's cyber bullying it's
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everything and this is like the most unthoughtful like all over the place comment cyber bullying is
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killing indigenous women fact check can we get a source no okay it doesn't matter like we're just
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here to cry okay we're just we're just here to cry with our kleenex box anyway
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like the facts don't matter at all legislation policy we need to protect the
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most vulnerable people in this country and unfortunately and sadly it is as as
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the numbers state and the investigation state it is indigenous women and
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children and youth and families we have we could do much better i'm not like i want to meet the
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person who is watching this and holding on to every word you know what i mean like i i don't
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but i'm also i would be fascinated to like sit down and have an ipa with them or have some sort
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of like vegan uh weed shot drink with them uh but i don't think that that's going to happen i would
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just love to meet somebody who actually watches this and hangs on to every word risa absolutely
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and i think my biggest fears um i would share too is that the numbers of you know many young
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people within canada keep increasing with the online sexploitation sextortion um cyberbullying
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um you know these numbers will just continue driving up and it will actually impact you know
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other systems such as the health care system right around the mental health care and having
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that social support in order for a young person whoever is going through that cyber bullying
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feel supported and have the adequate access um and you know the many young people that i work
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with they are empowered to take on this challenge with policy makers so why don't we put them in
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directly at the seat at the table right here it comes here comes the well there's actually this
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bill called bill c63 wow oh my god all of our crying could go away i can't wait for that moment
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and they can provide their lived expertise um and provide innovative solutions rather than putting
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the onus back on the kids and the parents in order for them to feel safe on social media
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yeah we're not going to talk about the kids and the parents actually talking to each other more
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Anyway, her mom earlier in this clip said, I wish I would have talked to Amanda more.
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The onus shouldn't be on the kids and the parents talking to each other and actually
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trying to cultivate a healthy relationship that's offline.
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The government should babysit everybody and solve all of these fucking problems.
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It's the most misguided Ottawa bureaucracy slop.
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And really, thank you to all of you for starting our discussion
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as we look into online harms and cyberbullying in this town hall.
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Evan Balgord of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network.
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Josie Mipenak of the Native Women's Association.
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So we have just talked about the problem, who is being affected by online harm and cyberbullying.
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Well, let's switch the discussion now and focus on solutions, what we might be able to do about this.
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And to take part in this discussion, we're now joined by Matthew Johnson.
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what is going on there chat what am i looking at what the hell is going on here
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what is that what is that this is the this person has the solutions this person has the solution
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to online bullying this is the person that's going to solve our problems for online bullying
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what else if that's that's the first people we're seeing here director of education with media
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smarts anis busier mcnichol lawyer and director fundamental freedoms with the canadian civil
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liberties association jaden braves ceo and founder of young politicians of canada we rat we reacted
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to this guy once on stream it's cringe he supports bill c63 he doesn't even criticize
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the fact that kids spend 10 hours a day online he's just like yeah we just spend that much time
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online and that's it and the government's going to take care of us anuda dugal executive director
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of women's shelters canada and cynthia ku a technology and human rights lawyer hello to all
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of you like really a mask on both sides let's begin with the premise if someone is being cyber
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bullied and abused online what tools are actually in place to that they might access and i'll begin
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with you matthew there's absolutely nothing there's nothing we need the government to do something
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about it that's going to be the answer because i'm wondering what resources media speed this up a bit
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That's available for someone to understand what they can actually do if they're being victimized.
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We have resources that are based on the research we've been conducting for almost 25 years that help to, first of all, prevent cyberbullying by...
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And I'm supposed to listen to this guy and take him seriously?
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like come on come on this is supposed to be an snl sketch what is this this is real life
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allowing teachers and parents to help kids develop the essential skills they need
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to manage conflict online to manage their own emotions and to take effective action when they
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witness cyberbullying and these also provide witness i'm a witness i'm a witness to the
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cyberbullying. Tools for kids to use when they experience cyberbullying themselves. They provide
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strategies for dealing with it and options for reporting it and in particular for reaching out
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to different sources of help and support because we know that really that is what's most important
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for young people is feeling that they have support, feeling that they're not alone.
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Feeling that they're not alone. So how important is parental involvement in that fight?
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It's tremendously important. We found throughout our research that having a connection between parents and kids, having an open conversation and having rules in place in the home, not necessarily.
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Wow, I'm actually agreeing with this mask hole right now.
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He's actually making more sense, which is kids should talk to their parents about this and just have an ongoing conversation about how you deal with the Internet.
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rules that are based on punishment, but rules that are establishing routines, that are establishing
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values, and in particular, establishing that kids can come and talk to their parents anytime
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something goes wrong, have a huge impact on how kids behave when they're online and on their
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experience when bad things happen to them, including cyberbullying. You know, Jaden, I think
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you are the youngest panelist being involved in this town hall. So as you hear Matthew talk about
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the types of resources that are available, is that even talked about among young people? Do they
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know or are they sharing information with each other yeah thank you Michael I
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I think as a 16 year old and somebody that's advocating heavily for this work
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on the internet you just have to look at the facts you have to talk to some young
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people and see what's actually going on on the day-to-day on the internet and at
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the end of the day there aren't resources you scroll on your phone you
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listen to what MPs had to say a little bit earlier but you can see there aren't
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phone numbers to call there aren't emails to type and the normalization of
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There's no front door you can close, as Amanda said.
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The first thing you see on the morning is your cell phone.
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what you're checking for, what you're being stimulated by.
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And to put it on parents and put the owner...
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I mean, look, you can just go online and you can see anything you want.
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Yeah, it's like that's the whole freedom of it.
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And that doesn't matter because it is what I want to see or I want to interact with.
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well you can just hit x you can hit the x button look for the x on your screen and you can go away
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it's magic i know i know it's very powerful technology but i'm telling you you can walk
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away from your phone listen to me son you can walk away from the phone you can put the phone down
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i swear to you it works and this guy's just like well you can see anything online we're on the
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phones all the time what are we going to do about this and the tyrants are like that's right that's
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right that's right we can't let these people have all these freedoms it's just you know what this is
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this whole this whole uh town hall is just like horror horrible foreplay it's just been the worst
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foreplay to set us up to get fucked by a reeferani and bill c63 but it's not good foreplay it's almost
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like it's some really slick business guy with greasy hair and he's he's giving us feeding us
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all these lines that don't make any sense you know he's buying us all these drinks and it's like this
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guy's kind of a fucking creep it doesn't really make any sense like he clearly he's clearly wants
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to fuck me over uh but he's telling me like he's making it seem like he's not about to fuck me
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over he's making it seem like it's a good thing and it's like uh no um you can pay for the check
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Are you sure this young kid is not related to Trudeau?
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that don't have parents that maybe are as attentive.
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the way that young people are receiving information,
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what the fuck standardize the way that kids receive information look at look at this
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what's going on here too what is that guys what is this can we get a physiognomy check on this
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maybe i'm looking into it too much the way the chin is sticking out there
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okay bro okay bro i i feel bad for that man's that young man's soul he's only 16
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he's getting corrupted into the world of politics and just spouting off nonsense
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like he's he's gonna probably be dangerous when he grows up but it's like dude you are
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you are just corrupting your soul with total nonsense okay perhaps we can get into that a
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little bit later but I'm wondering in terms of women's shelters the the
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supports that are available to to women who step forward to say that they've
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been victimized by online harms are those available so shelters have told us
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95% of shelter workers have said that the violence that women experience
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domestic violence gender-based violence intimate partner violence is exacerbated
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by online harassment threats and online monitoring and surveillance these are
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the three top forms of violence that they're experiencing and so women's
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Shelters Canada has a program that is training shelter workers so that they know how to respond
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when they receive that information so they know how to help women protect themselves so that
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women think about the location tracking apps on their phone or they think about what kind of
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information is being shared by their apps that they're maybe not aware of. So hold on this this
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might be the actual nugget of valid concern that they're mixing in with everything else because
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um you know jilted ex-boyfriends that are like trying to hunt down their exes
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that that is something that is fucked up and does and could happen um but once again not nothing
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really to do with bill c63 and in in my experience researching it so this is very interesting that
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they have this woman in the mix when they come into the shelter or even the um type of
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communication that they have to have with somebody who may be an abusive partner around taking care
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of children or following legal proceedings they it's not someone you can block in these cases
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so what we're trying to do is say that when you have to have a relationship with somebody who is
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abusive you know they're abusive there have to be protections in place so that that relationship
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doesn't extend to you feeling unsafe online because of the behavior of that particular what
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the fuck what what the fuck what does one have to do with the other you you have an abusive partner
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that's a crime what does this have to do with like stopping hate online it's very unclear
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instructions unclear killer abuser or their family or their friends because people will also
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pull others into the online abuse so abuse online harms you know i wonder cynthia does this qualify
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as a human rights issue are there laws that people can actually use to fight back if they are victims
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of this type of abuse yes it absolutely is a human rights issue so we heard from the panel earlier
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that they're total see what they're doing is they're mixing fucking everything together like
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i said they take the one genuine thing that's already criminal and then they mix it together
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with like other activity on the internet as if it's all the same thing disingenuous bullshit
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online abuse amounts to chilling of people's freedom of expression so they will self-censor
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they will withdraw from online spaces and withdraw from public participation which is
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I don't know this is this is this is a mess though and a lot of people when we talk about
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regulating the internet regulating online hate immediately see it as a freedom of expression
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issue but it's just yeah it is it's as much if not more so a right to equality issue because if
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a right to equality issue I'm going to slow this down because this is one of like the most
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bullshit arguments where they're like no no no no silencing hate will like empower people to have
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equal conversation that's the argument so let's sorry we'll listen the last 30 seconds again of
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this uh this mask this ninja back if they are victims of this type of abuse yes it absolutely
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is a human rights issue so we heard from the panel earlier that online abuse amounts to chilling of
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people's freedom of expression so they will self-censor they will withdraw from online
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spaces and withdraw from public participation which is uh crucial for having a healthy open
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and free democracy and honestly like this is sad she's she is so bad at making this argument that
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i can't even react to it properly like she's she's failing she's failing at making the point so much
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that i don't even have anything to react to i can't i can't even clip this because you're not
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even presenting the argument properly no no but seriously and and like people like are afraid to
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like participate online so actually that's like the thing that's like against the online abuse
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take the mask off take the mask off do yourself do us all a favor charade it's crazy a lot of
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people when we talk about regulating the internet regulating online hate immediately see it as a
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freedom of expression issue but it's just as much if not more so a right to equality issue because
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if it's a right to equality issue just it i i've been eating word salad all night just bring on
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more of it it's a right to equality issue historically marginalized groups are systematically
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targeted every time they speak out then they don't have freedom of expression because what
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does it mean to be able to speak freely if every single time you dare open your mouth you're hit
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with a wall of hate speech and rape threats and death threats whoa whoa whoa that's correct like
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they paint such an insane it's actually a hilariously cartoonish like image of the internet
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where like any minority who dares tweet they're just gonna get a tidal wave of rape threats and
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death threats and white supremacists in their comments i wish i wish it was like that it is not
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like that that's a crazy way to paint the internet they're making like every web page
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every tweet seem like 4chan's poll like the most like toxic anonymous uh offensive place on the
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internet which is um i mean that's what they need to try and make their argument right in terms of
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laws to address it there are some for example there are criminal offenses such as stalking
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cyber otherwise or for criminal harassment and there are also laws that
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they all know the same thing fast unlimited fire
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lol it's hilarious the same people saying words have consequences say they shouldn't have
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consequences when they speak same people saying words have consequences say they shouldn't have
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it's the season of giving and i really appreciate um you know patriots like yourself who are
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watching and i want to support this mission to tell the story of what's happening in this country
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to try and turn it turn it turn it around so uh people like this can kind of be put in their place
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and be humiliated and exposed for their nonsense um yeah let's keep going because what does it
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mean to be able to speak freely if every single time you dare open your mouth you're hit with a
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wall of hate speech and rape threats and death threats in terms of like she did it so perfectly
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there of you're hit with a wall of hate speech and rape threats and death threats as if that's
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all it's all like all one thing it's all the same uh every every time a minority comments on the
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internet. They're hit with a wall of rape threats, death threats, crazy. Laws to address it. There are
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some, for example, there are criminal offenses such as stalking, cyber, otherwise, or for criminal
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harassment. And there are also laws that will let people sue individuals if they happen to know who
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they are, if they aren't anonymous for privacy invasion or online harassment, for example.
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But these laws leave a lot to be desired when it comes to online abuse, because one, they don't
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cover huge laws of behavior that would constitute online abuse to a lot of
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victims research has shown don't actually prefer to engage with the law
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because they themselves have had bad experiences or over criminalized so they
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prefer non-legal recourse that's available but the third and one of the
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most major factors is that these laws don't address the platforms themselves
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themselves and as we heard earlier their business models are optimized like she's got such a crazy
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look oh my gosh to help this problem proliferate and we know this because previous reporting and
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whistleblowers last thing you see before being dragged to a human rights court isn't that kind
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of terrifying though like am i crazy like if i were to show this image to a child i feel like
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they'd be kind of terrified you know what i mean like that's kind of terrifying a little bit
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that's kind of spooky i feel like that's a i feel like that's like the the villain
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yeah true have explained that even when at meta at facebook at youtube their own employees raise
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these problems point out that we our systems are facilitating this kind of online abuse
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and here are some things here are some tweaks we could make to fix that those initiatives get
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shut down internally because higher level management knows that it's going to hit their
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bottom line so let me pick up on that and bring you into the conversation and he's you know when
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We're getting into the big-headedness of the Canadian government,
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where they think they're going to step into Silicon Valley
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To think about the laws that are available, limitations otherwise,
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It's a very interesting question, and my answer to that is that
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they could do a much better job, and there's room for improvement.
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As Cynthia mentioned, legislation and recourses exist,
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but it's sometimes very difficult for people to access it and one very big flaw of this type of
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legislation and recourses is that they place a very heavy burden on the shoulders of the alleged
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victim to carry the lawsuit to establish that there was defamation to make a defamation now
02:44:36.020
we're talking about defamation something that's already something that people already legislate
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against each other playing to the police if they believe that a criminal conduct a criminal
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offense thanks for hanging out sandy thank you and has been committed um that being said i also
02:44:56.280
don't think that we can legislate our way completely out of this issue i think that
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prevention education community supports those are all very important tools that we will need
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So I'm wondering then, when you consider what's been shared here,
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and I'll go down this and I'll ask for a very quick answer from all of you.
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A really important thing is to educate people about the tools that are available to them.
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And that education isn't just going to be about using those tools, it's going to be about understanding the purpose of those tools.
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So we know, for instance, when we look at the law against sharing intimate images, which is a very strong law here in Canada,
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knowing that that law exists in our research did not mean kids were less likely to share sex.
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The kids who were aware that that law existed were not any less likely to share sex than those that didn't know about it.
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Because they didn't feel it was likely to be enforced.
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They didn't feel that it was likely to be used as a consequence.
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and also because they felt they, in many cases, were justified in what they were doing.
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And so in the same way that household rules that parents put in place have to be about communicating values
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as much as about laying down the law, in the same way our approach to laws has to be about educating people
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about why these laws exist and helping people who are targets of online harms see the law
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as something that helps them rather than something that they that is going to further victimize them
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we got still so much more to go through i was just going to say that that guy
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was makes the most sense but like he still doesn't make any sense you know what i'm saying
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yeah word silent man exactly um like he like he's the closest to the person who i would actually
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agree with because he's saying we need to educate people uh parents need to talk to kids about this
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like that's that's the only valid thing that i'm seeing from this from this uh entire panel
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this woman who talks about actual domestic abuse that's another thing where it's like okay well
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that's that's that's a real thing that's definitely worth addressing which i feel like we already have
02:47:49.440
laws about i don't even really understand why she's here but no what victims need uh is it to
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be compensated for what they're they're suffered uh is it uh for the abuser to be sent away uh to
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to to a prison or is it uh for the speech to be taken down very quickly so and then we have to
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ask ourselves who is in the best position and to for instance take down the speech and of course
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i'm sure we'll have the opportunity to discuss this but now we also have to balance this with
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freedom of expression i'll ask each one of you to to answer as well just this is really bad this is
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like not pointed or a reef i don't know if you organize this but it's not good not good content
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right here it's probably not very good not very useful stuff a bit shorter it's like like this
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that woman who just spoke did not sound very prepared like it sounds like she just woke up
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and was told to be at this town hall about cyberbullying sure so one thing we can do to alleviate
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some of the suffering given the current status quo is to make sure that all possible frontline
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contacts that a victim of online abuse might come into contact with is actually educated on this
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issue so whether that's teachers police officers social workers research has shown that people can
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get re-traumatized by not the initial what happened but by when they reach out for help
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the help being unresponsive or not understanding or itself being re-traumatizing so that's something
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before we even get to the actual root problem so you hear that guys re-traumatized that's a new word
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um we need to educate we need to educate people to be more sensitive to
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online hate we need to educate canadian uh police officers emotional damage yeah that's right
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oh god just to offer greater support to those experiencing it is the first step
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So the violence and abuse through technology that people are being affected by is really stopping them from getting access to basic rights.
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They can't use, let's say, online banking if they're using their smartphone.
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That might be a method of multiplying or amplifying abuse, whether it's direct messaging.
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It might be the way that their smartphone, the phones, the messages that they get, the way that they're interacting online.
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And that's a basic right because they should be able to use their smartphone to find housing if they need it.
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They should be able to use it to find employment that they need.
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So it's not realistic to ask people to stay offline or to minimize their interaction with online activity.
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So we need to get away from that kind of thinking and we need to move into absolutely believing that this sort of abuse is happening, understanding the danger of it and having recourse that, as we've said, is not always about the law or the police or bringing charges, but having recourse that makes the abuser responsible to stop in a way that doesn't necessarily make the person who's experiencing the abuse,
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the person has to push for that all the time so i i would say we have to believe people have
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experienced this a lot more and take action immediately and that includes bringing in
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tech companies to take material down jaden i mean the spooky thing about what you just said is like
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we need to believe we need to believe women we need to believe women more often and it's been
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brought up with bill c63 many different aspects of it it could easily be abused by people easily
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be abused by people they called me this they're assaulting me they did this and then reporting
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them anonymously that would be a nightmare so this idea of just believing people uh yeah no
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and what i really don't like what about what she said there is she was kind of like mixing it in
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with like the emotions that you're feeling the emotions that you're feeling and it's again it's
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like there needs to be the line between criminal behavior and violence and things that are just
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annoying and making you emotional like if we don't keep that line intact then we're going down a bad
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road bad bad road let's see what the young guy has to say i think it's about escalation i think
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it's about looking around at what the original motivators are and figuring out how we could
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stop them before that happens so for one education can we standardize the fact that online and the
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internet in general is going to be a really big part of growing up in 2024 you absolutely have
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to be aware of how to use that responsibly uh starting from elementary school but i think on
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the legislative side and that's a lot of the work that we've done when sitting down with uh mps
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working to legislate the internet we have to look at what people have commonalities on what can we
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all agree on what can everybody have a shared experience on and that experience is frequently
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there is hate on the internet we do see it people are impacted by it what are the solutions
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uh the first section of bill c63 is there it is hey ding ding ding ding ding let's go
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bill c63 mentioned 56 minutes in that's kind of surprising
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but uh sorry there it is surprise i i i bet the hosts are going to be like wow bill c63 i've
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never heard of that on the legislative side and that's a lot of the work that we've done
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when sitting down with uh mps working to legislate the internet we have to look at
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what people have commonalities on what can we all agree on what can everybody have the shared
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experience on and that experience is frequently there is hate on the internet we do see it people
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are impacted by it what are the solutions the first section of bill c63 is a really great
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example of how we can break down the vulnerabilities of who's out there and who's actually being
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impacted and what are the what are some of the first steps that we can take to really make sure
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people are safe on the internet but turn it around right this this is this is so contradictory he's
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like we have to accept the reality there is hate on the internet yeah there is that's part of the
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part of the human beings the internet is a reflection of humanity so there's going to be
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ugly stuff there's going to be beautiful stuff everything in between and now it's straight to
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well we have to keep people safe i've heard that one before i've heard that one before
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i remember lockdowns i remember being ostracized from my family i remember not being allowed to go
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to the gym it was to keep people safe i remember being dehumanized by the prime minister of the
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country it was to keep people safe so i remember not being allowed to leave the country or get on
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a train or a plane that was to keep people safe too but this internet legislation it's going to
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keep people safe but this time this time but this time it's going to be a good thing it's totally
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not going to be a tyranny thing totally not going to be a no no no no no none of that you mentioned
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Young people around Canada don't understand that what they're doing is illegal.
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They don't even understand that there are repercussions.
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Frequently, there aren't, and there isn't people that are going to turn around
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and create consequences for actions on the Internet.
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So it's a really big concern and something we all need to kind of wake up to.
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The first section of Bill C-63 is a really great example
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of how we can break down the vulnerabilities of who's out there
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and who's actually being impacted and what are some of the first steps
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that we can take to really make sure people are safe on the Internet.
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You mentioned young people around Canada don't understand that what they're doing is illegal.
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They don't even understand that there are repercussions because quite frequently there aren't.
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And there isn't people that are going to turn around and create consequences for actions on the Internet.
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I'll need to kind of wake up to, in part, as a society to take action on.
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okay well we'll pick up on the online harms bill a little bit later in this town hall but
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uh he's like you gave away the secret bud you gave it away too soon you know we we don't talk
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about the online harms bill yet pit squeak i've been doing this for a while i've been doing this
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word salad game for a while kid don't fuck it up for me okay have heard the criticism that big tech
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and social media platforms are not doing enough to address online harms and cyber bullying and
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In this fall, we heard more Ontario school boards stepping forward.
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They are suing social media platforms like Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok for harming, in their point of view, the mental health of children.
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Now, we did speak to representatives of big tech here in Canada.
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They talked to us about what they were doing to address online harm and cyberbullying.
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every piece of content uploaded to tiktok is is moderated and reviewed either by machine
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or by humans or both and where there's when there is a violation that is removed the user
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who posted it will receive a notification they have the opportunity to appeal that
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we publish quarterly community guidelines enforcement reports that outline the speed
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in which we're able to remove violative videos and we break that down actually by country
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Depending on the type of violation and repeated violations,
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they could have their account or their device banned from TikTok.
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We really see this as a shared challenge and a shared responsibility.
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And so, you know, we would do a number of things to work with governments,
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whether that's on, you know, partnering on the disinformation or misinformation landscape,
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making commitments around how we're going to safeguard our platforms, having transparency,
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not only about how our products and tools work, but how they're performing. And making that
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publicly available. So we're on this kind of continuous journey of improvement and of
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partnership. People who are indicating to us that they are of a certain age, that are kind of,
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you're in your teen years, that we actually default the accounts into the most privacy
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protective settings, meaning that you actually aren't able to or an adult can't interact
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with you unless you're already connected with them because they're a parent or a family
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friend. If they're unknown to you, they can't kind of automatically message you. We want
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to make sure that certain types of content on our platforms are not recommended to you
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if you're of a certain age and we also ensure that we give you certain tools to ensure that
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you're able to actually control your experience. So for example you can block out certain keywords
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in terms of messages and posts that people leave for you so that those things actually don't appear
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if someone tries to write something that is not nice, that's negative. And we've invested a lot
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in technology and resources to address child sexual exploitation on the service
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just to give you a sense of the impact and the data. In 2022, we suspended about 2.3 million
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accounts on our child sexual exploitation policies. In 2023, we suspended 12.4 million accounts,
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becoming way more aggressive on people that were seeking this content, trying to traffic in this
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content. We've forged new and exciting partnerships to share information across platforms to get these
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bad actors off our services and partnering closely with government on this and making
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So job safety is certainly top priority for us and just making sure it's a safe service for minors.
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Interesting. I mean, they were pretty extensive there in terms of different tools they have.
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Hey, you can block people. Hey, you can restrict certain comments if you don't want to hear them.
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Hey, we're going after the pedophiles. I mean, I'm critical of big tech, obviously.
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had my content taken down off of most of them, I'd say.
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But this idea that the government's going to do a better job
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than paid professionals, executives in Silicon Valley,
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But it's going to be interesting to see if anyone on this panel
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in terms of the sort of infrastructure that already exists at Big Tech.
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Okay, so listening to that, I'll begin with you, Matthew. Are big tech companies doing enough
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to protect users? I think there are definitely positive steps that they've taken. I think there
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are certainly more things they can be doing. It's been really encouraging for us to see them doing
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some things that the youth in our research asked for, particularly things like creating a safer
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experience mo c nine m says how about an iq requirement to access lol that's pretty funny
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matrix world report is that trans in chat he says my name is trans and i approve of greg's live
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stream thanks for hanging out buddy go subscribe to trans matrix world report and chat it's a good
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guy 14 users because the youth in our research said that you're not an adult the moment you turn
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13 there's a tremendous amount of growth that happens between 13 and 18 and so there are
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definitely steps that online platforms can do to minimize and mitigate online conflict
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things to encourage empathy things to discourage people from encourage empathy
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you want facebook to encourage empathy they're they're trying to set up an algorithm to keep
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me hooked to their phone to my phone it's just it's like bureaucrats such misguided bureaucrats
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and facebook should do this and youtube should do this and i wish they would do this just like
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this huge wish list responding too quickly things that they can do to change their algorithms so
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are less likely to share or recommend polarizing content and and and this is and this is the
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insanity of it you know like i can agree that big tech algorithms are very kind of insidious
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and sneaky in the way in which they try to get you hooked on the algorithm but it's like
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so you a bureaucrat are going to try and influence the algorithm
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i don't know it just kind of seems it's an insane proposition to me
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and generally things that they can do for a couple reasons number one it's like where do
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you get off being a bureaucrat in ottawa canada thinking that we should control the algorithms
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i thought they already did that with bill c11 by the way and then number two it's um
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the idea that a bureaucrat is going to like hey hey Facebook this huge massive corporation let
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me get in there and tinker with how you how how the core of your business works okay do in that
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way to change particularly the default settings of their platforms so that they are encouraging
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positive use so that they're encouraging empathetic use you know what I'd like I'd
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like to control the algorithms to advocate for patriotic content, content like myself,
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Bernier, get some diagonal on content, some, some Hillier content. You must see it. You must watch
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it. It's going to be in your feed. It's mandatory viewing. The rage cast with Jeremy McKenzie is
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mandatory viewing. That's what I want on my algorithms in my country mandatory. But the
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point is is like this and this is not going to be biased it's not going to be
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politically biased and so that they're minimizing conflict and particularly
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retributive cyber bullying because we know among youth which are common
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causes the most common motivations for cyber bullying are getting back at
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someone else and so it's interrupting that cycle of cyber bullying that where
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I think platforms in their default settings and in their basic design have a tremendous role they could still be playing.
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As someone who's in the front lines of this one with young people, what would you say to whether or not big tech is doing enough?
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Google sold out millions of young Canadians and young people internationally under 18 by allowing Meta to promote downloading Instagram on YouTube,
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which significantly is getting into people under 18, is being put in front of them.
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And those are the same companies that you just watched saying there are these measures.
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So when there isn't the government regulation that's stopping this and people aren't waking
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up to this is happening, organizations, big tech is taking advantage of millions of young
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people vulnerable and on the internet, whether they claim something else, it's what's happening.
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Look at the facts, see what's going on, and then say, are these measures actually doing
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anything or is this virtue signaling to try to get a response to the public and to make
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this guy this guy does expose the hypocrisy saying hey look at big tech they say that they're going
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to protect kids online but they're also trying to get them to download instagram on youtube okay
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young man surely you can appreciate um the liberal party of canada and how they promote
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hey the guy promoting bill c63 a referani here's him at the pride parade and he says the online
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Harms Act will protect kids from sexual content. He's at the Pride Parade. This is what happens at
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the Pride Parade. Things like this. This a naked guy with the Bugs Bunny costume on. There's been
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all ages pride events in Canada where there's nudity, where there's pornographic material.
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There's Drag Time Story Hour for kids. There's books in public schools with sexual pornographic
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content. This is all rubber stamped. This is all endorsed and approved, not criticized, not condemned
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by the Liberal Party of Canada. So smart young man, do you really think Mr. Arif Farhani wants
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to protect kids from sexual exploitation when the Liberal Party rubber stamps all of this same stuff,
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all of the same sexual material? You just expose the hypocrisy of big tech. Why won't you expose
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the hypocrisy of the liberal party it's almost like there is a political agenda at play and
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you're just a pawn saying the things trying to be a good young little politician to push this
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bullshit legislation why would you not how can he see the hypocrisy in big tech but not see hypocrisy
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in the liberal party it's very interesting i need something even at this point you know i and you
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said earlier that the laws can't do everything but should there be higher guardrails i think
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there's a possibility and there's certainly room to ask social media operators to have to fulfill
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some statutory duties so for instance having a process in place through which users can flag
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categories of harmful content they already have that I think would be beneficial then even for
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categories of extremely harmful content that for instance content that sexualizes a minor I think
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it's it's acceptable to have even a specific time frame for social media operators to process those
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flags. I do think, however, that we have to avoid asking either explicitly or implicitly
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through laws to social media operators to proactively monitor, surveil, and take down
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speech. Although, you know, Cynthia. Oh, my God, she's actually standing up for speech. Is that
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really? My goodness. Oh, my God, she's doing it. She's standing up for speech.
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Where are those images? What? I guess it's on the other one. Hold on.
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I'll let it keep playing because that raises an interesting question, though, because if we're having a debate as to how to move forward here, do big tech companies have to be more accountable?
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They absolutely do. And to be completely honest, it's a little bit difficult to take the statements that we've heard seriously by this point in time, because right now we're 5, 10, 15 years, almost two decades into having social media as a daily part of our lives.
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and these are multi-billion multinational companies that have arguably shaped elections
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contributed to genocides and but this is the one place where their hands are tied and they can't do
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anything about it and so when did they say they can't do anything about it they were just talking
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about all the different methodologies by which that they they are doing things about it this
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so disingenuous these people even when they try we see deficiencies there too so even though they
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say oh we are addressing hate speech online they it seems to be very selective application of who
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gets thrown the book at them and who is treated with leniency for example women are constantly
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reporting how x formerly twitter has routinely ignored when they report misogynistic abuse um
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human rights watch recently published man i get like this is like being in hell this video is
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like being in hell dude there's no details they're never specific with details she equates
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misogynistic abusive content with rape threats with death threats like is it is this a offensive
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meme that's like anti-women or like makes fun of women because that's free speech making fun of
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women is is a thing that you're allowed to do but you just this keeps kind of just grouping it all
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together is the same thing to report talking about how meta has been systemically censoring
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and suppressing pro-palestinian voices on their platform and yet they are not addressing um
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the really overt low-hanging fruit instances of hate speech i think the bigger question like
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no examples no examples they have no examples it's just so annoying like i'm trying i'm trying
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to give them the benefit of the doubt like show me show me a strong argument but it's just word
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salad after word salad and though is that even if troglodyte said the earth is flat and so is her
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face they were doing everything right we are still then how dare you make a comment like that about
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cynthia chew huh there it is and on the goodwill of a handful of ceos in the world to control our
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online environments and that's just not oh yeah and you want a handful of bureaucrats to do that
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really do you not see the hypocrisy in your argument there do we really want a handful
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of tech ceos controlling our online environment no we want a handful of bureaucrats doing that
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yeah that'd be much better because the bureaucrats in canada have a good track record
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not a tenable system for a healthy online environment and a healthy free and open
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democracy because we've seen what happened with X
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it already had such a huge impact and so that's why
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even though regular again what do you mean like
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um, let's see what the normies are reading these days when it
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Jesus. Data shows X is suspending far fewer users for hate
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scrutiny of the platform grows. That was from September.
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Interesting. Elon Musk's new X algorithm is harming our free speech.
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have free speech anymore and it's like regulation legislation that's a you problem you know
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is not the only solution i think it definitely has to be part of the solution okay part of the
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solution is just saying we are going to talk a bit about the regulation and the regulatory sphere
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in a moment but you know in terms of as things are right now is there a role hey i just thought
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of something fun i just thought of something fun i'm going to post the link to this video in the
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chat everybody go give it a down vote right now i want to see those down votes up there's only
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four down votes right now i have a plug-in where you can see how many down votes there are
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everyone go down vote this video right now please obviously keep the tab open keep the live stream
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open go over and um hit the down vote please hit the down vote on this video whoops yes we're at
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10 down votes already let's go is this one updating no it doesn't we're already at 10
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down votes i like it thank you we're down voting the video we're changing the future of the country
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right now. Let's go. I'm going to hit refresh again. It's at
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10 guys. Come on. Come on. Let's change that ratio. Let's
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flip it. Go download it. Done. Okay. Sorry. Getting
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distracted here. Back into the word salad. For education for
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for example, for women, their families, their children who are victims of this type of abuse
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to know a bit more as to how they might protect themselves?
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I think there's a role for education, but I would just point out some of the important
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triggers within the speeches that we just heard from big tech companies.
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They talked about protecting their own companies, not protecting the people on their websites,
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and they talked about protecting those who they deem worthy of respect and protection
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They didn't necessarily talk about racialized women or immigrants or people who receive,
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again have to use their tech to stay in touch with people and be connected to
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the world the wider world and those and they also didn't take their clues from
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survivors from people who've said you know what it's not necessarily just the
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hate speech that I am concerned about it's that just to give you an example
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somebody might have said to them when I send you a bunch of red roses that's the
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day I'm gonna kill you and they'll use their harassment product by sending
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pictures of red roses on their direct messages or online that's not hate
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speech but that's harassment and that's stalking and it's usually happening privately which is
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again something that the tech companies will not take on they have not said that they're going to
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make any changes there the tools that we do offer at women's shelters canada include i mean this
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woman is talking about a real like interesting angle of all this but again it's not at all
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addressed in bill c63 private communications aren't touched i don't think they should touch
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private communications um when i had my conversation with wandsbutter nicholas wandsbutter
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lawyer in ontario here he was talking about if they actually cared about this issue they would
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just increase the amount of resources going into law enforcement to uh have consequences for people
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who are doing this type of thing when it goes when it goes into the realm of criminal behavior that
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affects real life real life right but this is all really an agenda to try and just censor people
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um on the internet so uh this is completely different so again this this person's kind of
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she's talking about valid things but she's muddying the waters to make it seem like bill c63 will
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address this stuff which is which it does not do things like the digital safe um breakup tool so
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when you're breaking up from a relationship there's all kinds of ways that your tech might
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be connected to somebody else's whether it's passwords whether it's access whether it's
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different ways that you've sort of built a way of combining your tech usage,
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the tool offers very clear advice on how to separate that
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So two-factor authentication, changing all your passwords,
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turning off your location, apps, all of those things were important steps.
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turning off your location may mean that also you wouldn't be able to be found
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So women have to choose. Am I safe in this situation or not safe in this situation? Do I have my location on or my location off? Once again, it's back to individuals to make decisions to keep themselves safe and make them responsible, which is fine up until a point. And everybody should be educated on how to use tech safely. But it's not fine when that's all the responsibility we see.
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Yeah, so this is, again, she's talking about a real valid issue, which is, you know, domestic abuse and how it may get sort of communicated or amplified, like, you know, via technology.
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But this idea that Facebook is going to or Twitter is going to prevent domestic abuse.
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that's the job of law enforcement that's not the job of big tech to prevent domestic abuse
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from happening like that's a crazy crazy like crazy um sort of misguided to have this as part
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of the conversation or at least like it's a separate conversation uh from what everyone
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else is having in terms of centering the internet but thank you for that now you know we've already
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touched on right the regulatory sphere and in the united kingdom in 2023 the online safety act
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became law. And part of that law obliges platforms to have systems. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Them responsible when that's all they're talking about? The regulatory sphere. And in the United
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Kingdom in 2023, the Online Safety Act became law. And part of that law obliges platforms to
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have systems and processes in place in order to protect against harmful content. Now, the European
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Commission adopted the Digital Services Act to further protect online users. And take a listen
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now to two people who are instrumental in getting that legislation passed wow i can't believe they're
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invoking the online harms bill in the uk where protesters have been thrown in jail
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for for for protesting for having an anti-immigrant sentiment they've been thrown in jail
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with this online harms bill legislation i.e the worst case scenario for people like us of hey is
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this online harms act going to be used to throw people in jail
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who have the wrong opinion on immigration? Well, we've seen
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that. Yes, that is going to be the case in the UK. But now
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they're saying, no, no, no. Let's talk to the legislators
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who helped pass this bill and why it's so great. So
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completely obfuscating the problems of all of this, which
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is free violations of free speech. And they're doing it
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flagrantly at this point. The first thing that we did was we
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put in. I'm not even going to say anything. And data protection for children and people don't
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always understand how making children more private makes them safer. Fundamentally you're taking them
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out of the business model. You're saying you may not have our children's attention you know on this
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basis. The second thing we've done is introduced the Online Safety Act, and that gets very specific
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about what content you can recommend and can't recommend to children under 18. So we are age
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gating pornography. We are saying that self-harm and suicide ideation is not suitable for under
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18s and and so we have made a move on that and we've given a very big suite of powers to a
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regulator to get information and in particular to get information for the coroner if a children
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has died so we've seen these horrible horrible situations all over the world where children
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have got into, been pushed into a sort of a state of despair that is so great that they take their
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own life. And we now in England have the right to look and see what was the company recommending?
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What was the company suggesting to the child? Because it's not neutral. It's not.
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I wish I would have talked to my daughter more before she killed herself.
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And now they're saying, hey, once the kid kills himself,
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like everyone on this panel has shown a very strong lack of willingness
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to actually talk about the emotional sort of real,
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the real solution when it comes to people feeling isolated,
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No, it's just been like, I've internalized the trauma.
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now we have to get all these these facilitations and power as she said this woman said it she her
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eyes lit up she's like now we have the power to see what the kids looked at before they killed
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themselves completely missing the mark in terms of solving the problem and even the solution misses
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the mark on solving the problem you want to collect data after the fact after a kid killed
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themselves what is that solving because you've you've because even if you do collect that data
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You've shown a lack of willingness to solve the problem at its root, which is a child who is isolated, a child who doesn't have a good relationship with their parents, a family, like a community family problem that happens in real life.
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You've shown no willingness to address that crucial part of the problem.
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So why the fuck should anyone believe that you collecting data after the fact is actually going to be applied in a positive direction?
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they're not even looking at the free speech violations,
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the egregious ones of this online harms bill in the UK,
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which is just like a huge red flag to begin with.
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let's get back into this video. We're almost, we've got another 20 minutes. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Okay. Neutral what they're doing in Europe. Now we have the law, which means that the commission
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can say, uh, to the platform, uh, the big ones, uh, and we have 19 big platforms and systems
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which have more than 45 million users a month that's about a parameter so now
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big change is that the Commission who is the enforcer of the digital services act
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can say look you did not take measures which really mitigate the risks which
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protect the children and which create the the system where nobody will be
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endangered it's first and foremost the duty of the parents to be oh so it is on the parents
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aware of their what their children are doing what they read and where they disappear when they
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go online and uh no regulation uh will uh how to say deprive the parents of their parental
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responsibility that's their primary task in the eu we not really a great argument for what these
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people are talking about simply decided to introduce legally binding rules and
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it was also because of the appearance of smaller systems you mentioned Google
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meta and others yes the biggest ones had agreement with us but there were more
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and more platforms and digital systems which were not part of the voluntary
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commitments so that's why at the end of the day the big platforms said introduce
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the rules which will cover all of us so this is what we did now here in canada the online harms
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bill bill c63 installed in part i love how they just like hey look at these bureaucrats they were
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successful in usurping power online let's do that here let's do that here and i i bet they won't
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even address the fact that that one uh bureaucrat was like hey it's up to the parents you know at
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the end of the day i thought they won't even mention that parliament and critics have pointed
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to some concerns that it might limit free speech. Others are pointing to concerns about how much it
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would cost to set up and monitor hate speech online, online abuse. And recently I did sit
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down with the federal justice minister, Ari Farana. We talked about the bill and also what
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his government is willing to do to get it passed. Listen, let's begin with the timing here because
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it took your government years to introduce a bill to address online abuse. And only after
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months of delay in the house, you announced that you will be splitting the bill in order to get
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moving quickly why did it take so long to get to this point well i'd say to you that we consulted
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extensively on the bill because we wanted to get it right we looked at domestic expertise we looked
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at international competitors that took time years in fact and we tabled a very comprehensive bill in
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february in the spring we started debate on this bill and i thought that was a promising start
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after labor day we returned to the house of commons we also recommends debate on this bill
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why did you split the bill arif why did you split the bill answer the question i was encouraged by
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that as well what i've unfortunately seen for the last three months is a complete blockage
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of the chamber that is right behind me and that's been frustrating it's been frustrating to me
03:31:09.300
as a parliamentarian it's been frustrating to me as a father and someone who cares about my kids
03:31:13.940
as minister of justice who's put a lot of effort and thought into this very piece of legislation
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now we're approaching christmas i had a tough decision to make do i want to see this bill
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die on the order paper or do i want to see kill it kill bill c63 the parts of this bill expedited
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where i believe that we can reach some consensus i chose the latter i think it's an important
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decision because ultimately my job is to protect canadians and i'm going to target the most
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vulnerable canadians which are our kids and i approach that from that vein that protecting
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and combating hate against hate is important but protecting kids including kids who might face fatal
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dangers is urgent. And I'm proceeding with urgency on the parts of this bill where I believe I can
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achieve a consensus. So he got caught lying for those who aren't aware. Arif Arani said this bill
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is all about protecting kids. How could you not want to protect kids? And now that people saw,
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no, this is a Trojan horse. There's a whole bunch of free speech implications here. You want to
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change the criminal code for hate speech. You want to bring back section 13 of the human rights code,
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which is a total mess and it got kicked it got removed from law for a reason and now that he's
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been caught red-handed lying and saying that it's all about protecting children he's like uh you know
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what yeah let's split it up uh you were kind of right part of it is totally just about stopping
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hate and changing those criminal code stuff and no no but this side this side's actually about
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online harms this one's actually this side's actually about online harms and this one's
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actually about protecting children online but uh that's also a lie so he told the lie he got caught
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and now he's telling the same lie again because if you actually break down the trojan horse part
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of the bill there's not really much in it uh other than an insane amount of power that unelected
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bureaucrats would have over the canadian internet but let's let's listen to him lie more okay so you
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you think you can achieve the consensus and we look at this the bill c63 the online harms act
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again will now consist of two parts one part will deal with keeping children safe online which
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includes uh sexploitation pornography the second part relates to the criminal also bullying
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bullying is on there bullying is an online harm that the canadian government is going to control
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apparently criminal code and human rights act which includes the controversial section on free
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speech given that you have split the bill and the priority is the section on child safety do you
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think you will be able to pass the second part of this, which you have said would give Canadians
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a recourse on discriminatory hate speech? Well, I'm certainly hopeful, Michael, and I want Canadians
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to understand that when you bifurcate the bill, we are not leaving one part aside. We will still
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be pursuing both pieces of legislation. We'll be pursuing the portions that deal with addressing
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children with prioritization, working very, very quickly on those. But the portions that relate to
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amending the criminal code and amending the Canadian Rights Act remain on the floor of the
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legislature for debate and further study. I think what is also clear to all Canadians is that we
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have seen rising hatred in this country. There are a lot of ideas about what we should do in terms of
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how to address that hatred. We've heard people that support the bill. We've heard people that
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want the bill refined to provide more clarity. Also, people want to throw it out like myself.
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I want to throw it out. Don't forget me. Hey, Arif. Hey. Hey, bud. Don't forget me. I started a
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whole website just dedicated to you buddy all ears and willing to entertain good faith suggestions
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to improving the hatred components of this bill but also to improving the portions that deal with
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combating child sex predation and also things like bullying inducing a child to self-harm
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and the sharing of what's called revenge porn these are critical things that help keep our
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kids safe i think what's now isn't it great that everything that these people have been talking
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about the in the panel oh my god arif our hero he's addressing all of them isn't that amazing
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oh he's he's he's our hero here is that the ball is in the court of my opposition parliamentarian
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colleagues i've already had good indications from the la quebecois the ndp the conservative
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party has unfortunately been blocking everything in the chamber right behind me for three months
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now but i've been given some reason for optimism that even the conservatives will get behind this
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built because they appreciate the urgency and appreciate the need to proceed in a nonpartisan
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manner okay so so perhaps a political path forward but you know i also wonder about yeah
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nonpartisan manner in which you will have the power to censor conservative voices
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on the canadian internet if if the conservatives fall for this or support this oh my god dude
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oh no but this but this half this half is really about protecting kids online it's total fucking
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bullshit it's totally going to be weaponized uh to censor people they don't like like the idea of
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giving the government that much power over the canadian all content on the canadian internet is
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just insane um with bill c18 the online news act you can't even get news on meta platforms or on
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google anymore because the government's like hey we don't understand the internet and we want to
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charge big tech platforms for sharing news, even though they did that for free already.
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And then big tech said, hey, Canada, you have a small market anyway, so we're not even going
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to share news anymore. And the same thing might happen with Bill C-63, because they have these
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massive financial penalties for big tech if big tech doesn't obey Arif Varani and the Liberal
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Party. And I think big tech might say, hey, this financial risk is not worth it. We're going to
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actually just block the use of Facebook and Instagram in in Canada because your
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bill sucks that could easily happen you're what your government is doing to
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ensure big tech social media platforms are putting in place the guardrails they
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promise to prevent or reduce online abuse well I'll say to you Michael that
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it's been frustrating because what we've seen is a checkerboard response right
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we've seen some companies taking pretty aggressive steps others taking very few
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steps what we're trying to do is eliminate that checkerboard provide
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Canadians with the stability and understanding that regardless of which
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platform your child is on which app that they are using for example that this
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will address the safety of children online across the board and set a new
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floor what I've been encouraged by Michael is actually been the has been
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the response of social media companies thus far as opposed to rolling up the
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sleeves gloves off getting ready for battle it has been quite the opposite
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social media companies have been reaching out to me in my office
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considering ways of how they can collaborate with us
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I think it's helped by the fact that we are the sixth or the seventh
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democracy in the Western world that is moving in this area.
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They've already seen what other international allies have done in this area.
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They've realized that more needs to be done to protect children
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and they're willing to work with us in that regard.
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This bill's already been abused to target conservative individuals
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for simply just sharing their political views uh it's very funny when they invoke international
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stuff when it's like i don't think you want to go there bud i don't think you want to go there
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because my suspicions my concerns about bill c63 are being confirmed and validated in the uk
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with the online harms bill which is a carbon copy or very similar to your online harms act
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so great example yeah the uk proves why this bill would be a censorship bill targeting specifically
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conservative-minded citizens and censoring them and throwing them in jail if the criminal code
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changes were to take effect now you know i do wonder in the time we have left i wonder
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what in your opinion will happen if bill c63 does not pass before the house is dissolved and
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another election takes place we will be celebrating in the street we will be posting our memes we'll
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be posting our racism on the internet for all to see and celebrating and we will be happy to be
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unmolested by the government imposing their power across the internet that's what we're going to be
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doing when it when it gets stopped by this documentary yes well if you take your cues
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from what the official opposition has presented as their proposed alternative uh there is some
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consideration about criminal code reform but that's it and i think that's problematic because
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what i've heard from law enforcement and what i've heard from parents including people like carol
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todd the mother of amanda todd is that the victimization of her daughter still occurs
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10 years after her death yeah amanda todd her mother also said that she wishes she would have
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had a conversation more often with her daughter and that's a part of the conversation that you
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a referani do not even want to have you just want to add a whole bunch of rules and gain a bunch of
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power over the canadian internet so you're very disingenuous reason why is because images of
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amanda's naked body continue to circulate online 10 years after she passed by suicide what she
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wants and what the police have told me that they want to deliver is for those images to simply come
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down that is possible like this bro it's crazy bro it's copying like i don't want to be that guy
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but like you just copy and paste it and then you upload it again it's just whack-a-mole you know
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like like people like we know internet anyone who uses the internet knows this but he's like once we
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pass this bill then no copy and paste copy and paste is going to be disabled on all of your
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devices you can no longer save a file and then re-upload it somewhere else on the internet like
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are you stupid with this piece of legislation because it poses it poses duties on social
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media platforms and requires them to take down child sex abuse material and revenge porn within
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a 24-hour time period so i'm very confident that that's the right solution it needs to pass and
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that's why i'm putting a lot of effort and political capital on the line to ensure that
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by bifurcating we can proceed with speed on the parts where we can achieve a consensus i've
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confidence in the better principled nature of my colleagues in the chamber from other parties
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and their willingness to work in a nonpartisan way to keep kids safe because ultimately at the
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end of the day lives are at stake here and that's important it's funny how he goes from saying lives
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are at stake to we need to stop homophobia lives are at stake and also we need to stop the bullying
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lives are at stake and also this is problematic content should we go into the uh let's go into
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the box of, let's go into the, what do they call it, the toy box? Okay, this is actually
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perfect. What about content like this, Arif? Child Predator got knocked out with a pumpkin
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for trying to meet a little boy. Does your wife know you're out here trying to meet a
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little boy right now James James I'm gonna get real loud your wife's gonna
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find out or we can stop that sorry trigger warning James you said you was
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So they like you know, they confront this pedo don't touch me your cars on a predator
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Mean it easy. I'm assuming their information is correct. This guy's a disgusting monster
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Are we allowed to hate this man for for trying to entrap a child a reef is that content? Okay?
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Let's just say the creep in this video is a liberal MP.
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It's exposed that a liberal staffer is actually trying to meet a little boy.
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you could you could you can make a few excuses you could say hey there's violence it's advocating
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for violence we'll take it down for that reason or maybe because uh some other reason you could
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say it's bullying a child or maybe some other reason you could find many different reasons
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to take the video down thus insulating yourself from criticism of having a pedophile on your staff
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it could be taken down to insulate high-level pedophiles
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but that is something that lawyers have considered
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and of course any conversation from somebody like this
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just to push the same old censorship bullshit.
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And I wish the conservatives would just be good people
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Okay, so our thanks there to the Justice Minister.
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Matthew, you know, as I said, this bill is currently stalled.
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The government may fall before it's actually passed.
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If it does not pass, is there enough in the toolbox
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vulnerable individuals without this being passed by parliament i couldn't say if there's enough
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in the toolbox there are definitely still our tools in the toolbox um and one of the most
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important of those is making sure that this conversation stays on the national conversation
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that this topic has not forgotten that the idea of improving our online spaces
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is not abandoned in in many cases the threat or the possibility of regulation can be as effective
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or even in some cases more effective than regulation itself so i actually agree with them and
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i agree with them in that what they've suggested with bill c63 in and of itself is totally
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outrageous it's totally outrageous especially how they it would be the end of free speech if
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if the whole thing passed as is the fact that they're even suggesting that
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is is despicable it's a disgrace to the freedoms of this country it would totally undermine the
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freedoms of uh that we've always enjoyed in canada and there's so little pushback there's
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so little pushback there's so little like hey look at this tyranny bill they want to expand
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the definition of hate speech it would be the return of section 13 which we already threw out
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during the harper government this has been this is on the table in the second reading and i feel
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like that is so demonstrative it's it's so representative of the authoritarian character
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of the liberal government but for some reason the conservative government doesn't want to use that
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line of attack nearly enough maybe they do a little bit but the reason they don't is because
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they want the power they want to be the ones in power with that power do control the internet
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they want their own they want they you know they want their own amount of power
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they don't want to get criticized for being the pieces of shit at the trough next
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who uh you know what when the conservatives are in power they don't want to be subject to
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harassment subject to being made fun of online or being hated online for all the awful decisions
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they're probably going to make as a conservative party, ruling conservative party. So they have
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their own invested interest in the government getting more power. And that's why I don't think
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they're talking a lot about how there's a tyrannical angle to this, how this could totally
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be abused. And let's not forget, one of those speech laws, the Holocaust denial laws, was
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initially introduced by a conservative party member so it's just full-blown authoritarian
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in terms of like its character in terms of how it would be enforced and very few people are
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actually talking about that not even the conservative party and it's disgusting that's
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why this is really much honestly like that this is why i started say free speech.ca i saw the
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writing on the wall i'm like the conservative party is not going to talk about this they're
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not going to talk about how this is you know the tyranny could be the very the end of free speech
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in canada who knows how thing dark who knows how dark things will get after that and that's why i
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decided to do something about it and if you want to help me then help fund the documentary we're
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making because we're exposing the authoritarian character of the people behind bill c63 there is
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already a collection of political prisoners there's a collection of canadians who have
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been persecuted for their political opinion they've been thrown in jail they've been kicked
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out of their jobs they've like they've been you know stocked online they've had they've had their
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reputations destroyed simply for saying what they believe that's not that's not something that
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happens in a free country and that creeping authoritarianism is very evident especially
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since the convoy. But we document all of this. We talk about Bill C-63 because we need to educate
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more Canadians about this, guys. Yeah, sure. People who watch Rebel News, they might understand this,
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but we need to reach more people. We need to reach more people than that. Look how professional
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this demonstration has been. Look at all the resources that they're putting into this.
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We need to put resources into our side. We need to put resources into our efforts,
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I thought of you I know how much you care about this country
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to the documentary and you can you know send them
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any information they want to know there is going to be a preview
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through this video we're almost done here let's
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let's get through the rest of this word salad which significantly is getting into people under
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18 is being put in front of them and those are the same companies that you just watched saying
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there are these measures so when there isn't the government regulation that's stopping this
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and people aren't waking up to this is happening organizations big tech is taking advantage of
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millions of young people vulnerable and on the internet whether they claim something else
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that's what's happening look at the facts see what's going on and and then say are these measures
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actually doing anything or is this virtue signaling to try to get a response to the public
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and to make us not aware of what's actually happening i need a whole lot of nothing but
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from that guy that guy is like a trudeau just a whole lot of whole lot of yapping whole whole
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lot of nothing being said oh such a lack of details throughout this entire thing it's just
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it's just really despicable it's really pathetic it's i'll bring you in at this point you know
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i i and you said earlier that the laws can't do everything but should there be higher guardrails
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feel so bad for the coots men says two flips four twists absolutely absolutely i mean at one point
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um at one point uh rebel news was talking about that kind of championing their cause
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you know the the dust still has not settled from the trucker convoy and the establishment is
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basically gaslighting the country the conservative party especially is gaslighting their base in the
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country to be like no that whole authoritarian thing that never happened what do you mean
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what do you mean political prisoners what do you mean people in remand for over a year rotting in
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a jail cell away from their families. Don't even pay, don't pay attention to that. And it's really
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insidious and subversive what this conservative party is doing. Okay. I know the guy makes good
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documentaries on YouTube, Aaron Gunn. If you've heard of him, he's made great documentaries
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documenting the decrepit degeneracy of, you know, the drug and the tent cities happening in Vancouver,
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for example and he also made a documentary though on the end of free speech in canada
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i mean it's not going to be the tier of our documentary ours is going to be much more
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professional it's going to be much you know much more higher production quality than that
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his is like more of a youtube documentary but um in this end of free speech documentary
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the trucker convoy is not mentioned it's mentioned once okay
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as as if chris barber tamara litch jeremy mckenzie archer bavlowski all the other people who were
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arrested in and around the convoy or people arrested for defying covid measures as if all
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of those court cases all of those charges had nothing to do with free speech no that had nothing
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what would that have to do with the end of free speech someone being thrown in jail on politically
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trumped up charges i wonder oh aaron gunn the guy who made that documentary not talking about
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the trucker convoy in the context of free speech yeah he is now a conservative party candidate
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i wish i was making this up man okay i i wish i i wish uh i wish that i was making it up
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I think there's a possibility and there's certainly room to ask social media operators to have to fulfill some statutory duties.
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So, for instance, having a process in place through which users can flag.
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Hold on. I just jumped the spot, right? Yeah, I did. OK, thank God.
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I'm like, I have another 30 minutes. I'm like, what?
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Where we, as consumers, have, in many cases, something get passed.
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And even if it's not the entire section of the bill and what the entirety...
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So when you look, again, it's stalled, but when you look at what's in C63, does it go far enough?
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It has to do with when the government or the public has a reaction to a big issue that the private sector is taking on.
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they do make changes in order to retain their viewing.
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That's what they need, that's what they need to succeed.
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And so one of the things that young politicians of Canada
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put out was the mandate to have young representation
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So this is not a commission where you have one person
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this is what can't, this is what freedom of expression is,
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about having multiple voices and this has gotten a lot of endorsement even from from you know the
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ministers and other stakeholders in government so we want to see this this debate but young people
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also want to see something get passed and even if it's the entire do they do they want to see
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something get passed like it's it is it does remind me of trudeau when trudeau's like canadians
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want this i speak for all canadians and now this young guy is like i speak for all young people in
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canada do you that's crazy talk section of the bill and what the entirety of it means
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something needs to happen in this term in order to have a right doing by canadians just as the
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minister said we need i mean isn't it creepy when you have this young hey i represent young
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young political group by the way i'm excited i'm saying the exact same thing as a referani
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and we're all saying the exact same thing like this this facade that it's like a fair
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discussion and that they're actually grappling with the different issues it's such a look it's
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oh man it's funny it's a it's funny that people might might actually buy into that need to have
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something passed to protect the internet for young people to protect the internet
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for young people uh-huh you know and he said as I said as this is tall there are
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concerns and one of them is the impact this would have on free speech can you
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address that a bit because it's that is a major criticism of the current
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legislation sure and I'll focus my concerns with respect to part one of the
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bill so the online harms act and because of course this is a very lengthy bill
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So with respect to the Online Harms Act, I think what the bill gets mostly right is very specific statutory duties on social media operators to act on very serious types of harmful content.
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For instance, content that sexualizes a child, intimate content shared without consent, things like that.
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Where I think that the bill needs to be improved and amended, frankly, is when it creates very broad and even vague statutory duties on social media operators.
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For instance, the duty to mitigate the risks that users will be exposed to seven categories of harmful content.
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What that really means, well, nobody really knows, because a lot is left to future regulations.
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So I think it's really important to make sure that social media operators do not use this type of duty,
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of statutory duty, and try to comply with it by engaging in proactive monitoring of speech and takedown of speech,
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or by taking down content, flagged content, without even reviewing it,
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or reviewing it but with the help the help of ai artificial intelligence and without any human
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involvement or and without any necessary transparency as to the decision-making process
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which can be particularly problematic when you think of categories that are a lot more subjective
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in nature including hate speech so an easy hey she's our girl she actually came through with
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making some decent points at the very least some of this stuff is too broad some of the stuff is
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going to be figured out later, which is a problem. I wish people would bring up the bullying thing
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though. They actually have in the legislation, bullying a child as content that must be removed
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or that is harmful. And it's like, how do you determine if it's bullying a child? Like that's
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such a broad thing. And I give the example of if I criticize something to do with the gender
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ideology being taught in schools, am I invalidating the existence of trans kids? You could easily make
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that argument and you could say that i'm bullying trans kids because of my content i basically got
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banned on tiktok for uh for you know talking about the trans kid issue my first account at 50k
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subscribers by the way rest in peace first tiktok anyway excuse the word problematic i'm wondering
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from the the human rights perspective uh there's also the concern that because there is a role here
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for the human rights that's so funny that that's i feel like that's so emblematic of how um the
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human rights works right so this woman is like yeah there is free speech issues and it's like well
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let's hear from the human rights person who's going to make up a whole bunch of emotional
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to justify why free speech is actually not important commission that that could
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bog down the whole process can you can you talk about that cynthia absolutely so
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I believe you're referring to part three of the legislation
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is already so backlogged and this would give it
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as we would like to see it in addressing the issues,
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is the possibility of it being gamed or weaponized
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And it backfiring gains the very point of having such a commission and addressing.
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with the ninja right now.
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I'm actually agreeing with the ninja, masked up ninja right now.
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Content moderation features being weaponized to silence women, racialized people, and historically marginalized groups.
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people could raise complaints to the Human Rights Commission doing similarly
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to tie up people to silent speech that they don't like to silence people who
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are justifiably speaking out against harms and so we would want to make sure
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that any entity that's put in place whether it's the Commission and whatever
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additional staff is hired or this new digital safety Commission that they have
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an explicit commitment to substantive equality which is recognizing that we
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don't exist in level playing field and so different groups if we're to be
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honest about the existing landscape society are treated differently and so
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that concept has to be taken into account for there it to be effective on
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the ground okay so that's hilarious because essentially she is saying listen
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we have to make sure that these rules are enforced equally we have to make sure
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that these rules are enforced properly yeah okay but there's no guarantee of that happening
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when a reefer ronnie has been asked about this how do we know it's going to be enforced properly
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he says don't worry it's not going to be me or justin trudeau doing it yeah it's going to be
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your friends though so yeah no that is a problem and it's funny that she can recognize the problem
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But also just like, yeah, can you just promise?
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Can you just promise us that it's going to be enforced equally?
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Liquid Gal says this BS smacks in the face of our forefathers that fought for our freedoms and speech.
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Nurita, you're nodding your head there to what Cynthia was saying.
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So what do you think we need to see from the federal government, from regulators and lawmakers in this country?
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So I agree that the regulations are one of the places where you can actually bring in some of the voices of those who are most harmed by online behavior.
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That's the other thing that I think is often missing when you are looking at any form of legislation.
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Of course, it's often written in very sweeping ways, but the way it's applied needs to be informed by those who experience that harm, those who are most affected by it.
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And we have to have spaces to talk about that and to share that information and then apply it, implement it, and then measure it.
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Who is now seeing improvements in their life because of any regulations or legislation that's brought in?
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There are other telecoms companies, there are other companies working and acting online, the banks, that have a responsibility also to their own behavior online and how their applications, how their interfaces are spaces that can create harm also.
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And I would like to see them included in this conversation.
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This conversation, as you say, and it is just the start, so thank you to everyone involved there.
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And we will continue to have the conversations in the days, weeks, months and years to come.
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Now, we know that cyberbullying and online abuse is on the rise.
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We also know that it is taking a toll on the mental health of Canadians.
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So if anyone who is watching this, seeing this, is struggling right now as a result of online harm or cyberbullying,
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a reminder that there is a national suicide crisis line to reach for help.
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You guys are making me want to kill myself.
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And with that, I want to thank our panelists for taking part in this portion of the discussion of Matthew Johnson.
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And in the coming months, we will be posting on CPAC.ca more information, more of these interviews on this very important subject.
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All right, yeah, yeah, I meant to I I meant to shout out guys. We
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made it through. We made it through. Let's see how we did
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with dislikes. How do we do with dislikes? I asked you guys
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to dislike. We're still at 10 dislikes. Okay, not bad. Not
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bad. I do want to shout out real quick to Mr. Mr. I retweeted
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him recently. Where is it? To Mr. Wiretap. He actually
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He actually brought me attention to this to this whole CPAC video. I just reacted to show shouts outs to wiretap media
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Get a gift certificate or a certificate of a donation rather
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to the documentary so all you have to do is number one go to the give send go page send us
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a donation to support this documentary that is going to oppose all of this nonsense
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and help say free speech in canada and expose these far left ideologues expose these people
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over here and show them what really is going on in canada and with bill c63 because we need to
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produce a professional story that people can hear that reaches outside of our echo chamber.
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And that's exactly what we're doing. I've hired Steve Hanning, an award-winning
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filmmaker to help us bring this documentary together. We've interviewed a couple of different
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lawyers, a couple of different professors, people who have been politically persecuted in this
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country for their political opinion. And we're telling the story with this documentary. You can
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go to give, send go.com slash save free speech to donate. And then you can go over to our website,
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savefreespeech.ca slash gift click on the gift button then you can download this certificate
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download it print it out and you can dedicate your donation to a loved one you can dedicate
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your donation to a patriot and say hey i donated on your behalf to help save free speech in canada
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and then there's another there's another gift to give somebody the gift of free speech
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isn't that amazing guys thanks so much for tuning in oh man that was a long one
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But I really do appreciate it and I'm gonna sing I'm gonna play a song from mr. Dirty Jirty. What should I play?
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I started off with this one. I'm gonna end with this one too because it is arguing online
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So I think it's appropriate. Thanks again for watching guys. Thanks so much for the super chat
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I'm going to be streaming later this week as well
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Going to be interviewing Wandsbutter on Thursday
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I might be interviewing Dirty Journey actually on Wednesday
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So stop, whatever, and just be a fuckin' apostle
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If I tell you to do something, it's a commandment.
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It's very important that you do it, so watch my Facebook video where I read the Quran, read the Quran, read the Quran, read the Quran.