Greg Wycliffe - ＂Just Comply＂ Talking Crime Immigration and Dominion Society with Lawyer Nicholas Wansbutter

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 Well, it's the first Thursday in September, September the 4th, 2025, so we've got another

00:00:36.980 live episode. Really happy to have Greg Wycliffe back on the show, and we'll talk a bit about the

00:00:44.060 Dominion Society that he's recently got involved in, and a bunch of other things. We'll see what

00:00:48.680 comes up in the chat as well. So I'm sure we're going to have a lot to talk about, so let's get

00:00:52.840 right into it good evening my name is nicholas wansbutter i'm a lawyer in stratford ontario

00:01:11.500 and welcome to don't talk tv and greg welcome back it's been a while since we've had you on

00:01:17.820 or since i've been on your show i know i've been trying to make this happen for a while so

00:01:21.540 it has yes it has been a while thanks for having me so much has gone on it feels like so much has

00:01:27.460 gone on just in the past couple weeks in terms of crime uh related to immigration and just outrageous

00:01:35.940 outrageous stuff happening in canada and i guess you know as a practicing lawyer

00:01:42.020 your head just must be spinning with all this stuff

00:01:44.020 well it's actually not spinning just because i'm kind of i'm old enough now and i've seen

00:01:52.480 enough of this stuff and i think i've seen this coming for so long that i'm kind of like yep

00:01:58.460 that's about what i expected to start happening at a bob probably thought it was gonna be uh maybe

00:02:05.280 it's a little bit the speed that things seem to be picking up is maybe a little what's a little

00:02:10.140 bit surprising to me but i i mean you've been really busy yourself we'll get into what's going

00:02:15.020 on with canada but that kind of what's going on in canada is also why you're doing a lot of things

00:02:20.120 you're doing i know you're filming a documentary that uh you just wrapped up the filming on that

00:02:26.420 and then you dove right into the dominion society so maybe let me give you a few minutes to talk a

00:02:33.400 about those things and then we'll start we'll go from there yeah yeah so um it's been over a year

00:02:41.960 now that i've been working on this documentary about free speech in canada the working class

00:02:46.600 or sorry the working title is the hate network and uh it really takes a lot of uh what we saw

00:02:53.560 during covid during the convoy um it talks about people who speak out against transgenderism

00:02:58.760 in schools, or just as a nurse, and all sorts of different examples. And it kind of has a common

00:03:05.040 thread of, well, our institutions have very specific politics, very specific ideology. And

00:03:12.980 it will, almost like clockwork, target people who are either loud enough, effective enough

00:03:21.460 at inspiring others to kind of oppose the ruling ideology. And we've seen this throughout history,

00:03:27.600 We kind of bring in history into it. We also target an organization called the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, as they are responsible for propagating, in some cases, lies about people and a lot of half-truths and a lot of just demonizing Canadian citizens, basically to make people hate one another.

00:03:48.940 uh very ironic that their name is anti-hate anyway but uh that's going to be uh you know

00:03:55.460 i'm still working on a lot of that still working through hours of interview footage but yes it's

00:04:00.000 also kind of uh congruent or kind of fits that i've joined the dominion society as we're seeing

00:04:08.320 especially in the uk people who criticize immigration the wrong way people who talk

00:04:12.840 about immigration the wrong way are also going to people putting up the wrong flag or the wrong

00:04:17.420 sticker are getting targeted and persecuted um by the police for having specific politics so i

00:04:25.100 thought it would be appropriate to hop on the board of dominion society because i think that

00:04:30.060 will be uh or that already is a front of contention with this with these kind of insane western

00:04:36.220 governments where they're persecuting their own citizens for criticizing public policy it's quite

00:04:41.180 insane but um yeah there it is there's our home page yeah keep that up there so we can see what

00:04:47.580 we're talking about here but uh yeah i mean i i don't think canada is yet where the united kingdom

00:04:55.020 is i mean people aren't yet being thrown in jail for two to three years simply for protesting but

00:05:02.940 you can see it happening other places you have to take the cautionary tale and not think oh

00:05:07.180 this could never happen here especially when we our government seems to have a lot of the same

00:05:15.740 you're talking about ideologies or institutional ideologies it seems to be the same beliefs that

00:05:21.900 are required to be held for teachers nurses i mean lawyers i think there's to an extent

00:05:30.140 there's that any of these professional organs organizations they've got us with the whole

00:05:37.500 ethics thing because they've now turned this into a moral thing that it's unethical and immoral

00:05:43.820 to hold a view other than the accepted one yeah and that's kind of been uh for a quite a long time

00:05:52.860 i i think that the the kind of culmination of that was having justin trudeau as our our lord

00:05:58.860 and savior and prime minister and he really mainstreamed and he kind of unfortunately was

00:06:05.180 effective at creating you know far left progressivism into the canadian ethos i.e diversity

00:06:12.540 is our strength and if you disagree with multiculturalism it's uh it's a sin and oh

00:06:20.700 that's changing now thankfully which is giving me a lot of hope but back in 2019 my inception into

00:06:27.260 politics was running for the ppc in 2019 if you have if you criticized immigration or

00:06:34.460 multiculturalism back then this was like the climate election it was the climate change

00:06:38.540 election when greta tunberg greta tunberg literally came to canada like a week before

00:06:44.060 the election happened in canada almost to like help help the sort of liberal campaign

00:06:49.340 uh because that was the whole craze anyway but criticizing immigration back then made you a

00:06:53.820 heretic i was in a left like a very left-leaning riding i was in parkdale high park i had an 18

00:07:00.700 year old volunteer uh intimidated by a man twice his side twice his size racist racist get out of

00:07:06.700 here racist and i'm like sir do you mind he's 18 he's a volunteer like do you want to talk about

00:07:11.580 anything but like rapidly this person could come down and have a conversation um yeah it was wild

00:07:17.900 it was wild how uh like you said how it's like a it's seen as a moral thing and yeah that's

00:07:24.940 unfort fortunately like that is baked deep into the cake like that has been what i say like

00:07:30.860 generational uh lies like lies that have been told for basically generations or at least since uh

00:07:37.100 the end of world war ii um how deeply this sort of like open society has been uh pushed upon us

00:07:44.460 but uh even over the past few years you know the programming is breaking really quick

00:07:50.860 because when you see some of this egregious stuff go on this kind of disgusting stuff

00:07:55.660 that triggers that disgust in people it makes you start to think it breaks the programming

00:08:00.860 it makes you start to think about the canada you grew up in and how it's different and how this

00:08:05.100 person is not the same as this person and people who came from this country are not the same as

00:08:09.340 the people who came from this country and actually there are kind of patterns there are kind of like

00:08:12.620 behavioral patterns that are significant and you know if we if we want to have a country

00:08:19.260 that we're going to feel comfortable in we need to start talking about this stuff

00:08:22.940 right well i mean behavior is different because beliefs are different there seems to be this

00:08:31.180 concept or thought that oh everyone holds the same values regardless of where they're from

00:08:36.380 regardless of their background but no not everyone people don't all hold the same values i mean i

00:08:44.220 think maybe people fall into that because there's this concept that canada's this post christian

00:08:51.340 state and therefore christianity had nothing to do with why canadians are the way they are

00:08:56.700 and therefore everyone's going to be like that but you take i mean this is just one layer of things

00:09:02.620 but just taking the christianity aspect you take people from countries that never had any

00:09:07.420 influence of christianity they're just going to have different different values because

00:09:13.420 they're they're coming from a different system

00:09:19.660 yeah yeah and uh i i think that it's you know

00:09:24.780 i remember a young man uh named tyler l russell he's like a zoomer he was like really into like

00:09:34.480 nicholas fuentes way back in 2019 and uh he told me and i back then i was kind of i was still more

00:09:40.780 like a libertarian minded person but he told me something that always freaked me out which was

00:09:44.480 they freaked me out at the time but it's totally true which is tribalism the rise of tribalism

00:09:49.640 is inevitable and that's what we're seeing that's what we're seeing with this kind of

00:09:55.240 multiculturalism experiment playing out in different uh western countries and uh yeah like

00:10:02.780 the the if you import enough people who have these strong convictions to their foreign religion

00:10:09.380 foreign people who are loyal and passionate about their foreign religion you know that's who they

00:10:15.200 are that's just who they are that's what they do and uh they're going to uh you know if their

00:10:20.960 convictions are stronger than the host populations then you know they're they're going to start to

00:10:27.840 assert their dominance culturally because they have a stronger conviction you know like it's

00:10:33.040 not it's not even like oh a good thing a bad thing it's just like the way it is like that's just the

00:10:36.960 way um things are going to play out and that's why uh dominion society we're trying to build

00:10:43.680 that conviction of like hey we are a christian european nation that's what we are historically

00:10:49.680 uh we actually have a very detailed history that details are ethnogenesis that canadians

00:10:56.080 are an ethnicity if you just look at the historical facts of the matter you know and

00:11:00.640 this is this has triggered so many people nicholas it's insane just listing historical

00:11:05.760 facts has triggered so many people people calling us woke right people saying that we want a white

00:11:11.440 ethno state and it's like folks folks we have we're in a situation right now where we there's

00:11:18.720 hundreds of thousands potentially millions of people who should be deported based on our existing

00:11:23.760 laws and we clearly don't have the political will to actually enforce those laws and people want to

00:11:30.320 people want to get all alarmed about like white supremacy and all this stuff and it's like what

00:11:35.040 we have we have children getting raped we have we have people getting executed in their own living

00:11:41.680 rooms from burglars and then these same people are literally worried about like you know too

00:11:47.760 many white people thinking their identity is important as if that's a problem it's insane

00:11:52.480 yeah which is always i i mean there's a whole bunch of few points there to try to break down

00:11:57.120 i mean the whole what is a canadian thing and how it's like now you're some evil racist or wanting

00:12:03.600 a white ethno state i mean i'm old enough that i grew up in the 80s i mean that in the 80s

00:12:11.520 people generally had a concept that there is such a thing as being a canadian we had those heritage

00:12:16.800 minutes i mean those are fantastic any people who are younger than me probably never saw them

00:12:21.440 but you'd have these little one minute things during commercial breaks where they'd give you

00:12:26.400 some little story from canadian history and uh and it was along the type of stuff i pulled up

00:12:32.880 the what is a canadian page on the dominion society because it was the type of stuff that

00:12:38.560 you talk about here about being canadians being descendants of the pioneers who built the cut this

00:12:44.800 country and that's what those heritage minutes were all about is a lot about pioneers and their

00:12:49.760 different stories people that fought in world war one people that fought in world war ii and i mean

00:12:55.840 that was presented this is our heritage that's what we call the heritage moments i mean this is

00:12:59.680 these are Canadians, this is Canada, this is what we're about. And you could clearly get the values

00:13:05.840 that there were Canadian values as well. Yeah. And what I like about the approach of

00:13:12.700 demeaning society is it really does come from a place of self-love and self-respect more than

00:13:19.380 anything. And what I love about that as a core is that the natural conclusion of being self-respecting

00:13:26.100 loving yourself and wanting the best for your people is at this point is remigration is to

00:13:33.860 maybe tweak the laws a little bit tweak the incentives in our immigration system to reverse

00:13:38.900 the flow of immigration if we respect ourselves if we love ourselves as a nation and for anybody else

00:13:45.060 who respects and loves the canada from before and wants that back then it's kind of a no-brainer to

00:13:51.860 support what we're doing at dominion society you know and i think that is an important distinction

00:13:56.420 to make because sometimes the energy can be very anti-immigration it can be very kind of hateful

00:14:04.420 and have like a resentment energy of just like i want i want these people out of here type thing

00:14:09.060 which is totally relatable totally understandable where that comes from but um i think that making

00:14:15.300 the swipe the slight tweak in energy change of coming from the place of loving our nation and

00:14:20.340 respecting its history and starting there and making it very clear that you know this is not

00:14:25.860 like an anti-immigration thing this is a pro-canadian thing this is a pro wanting the nation to survive

00:14:31.780 a pro wanting to respect the history of this country and anybody who lives here respecting

00:14:37.380 the history of this country which i think like what is so radical about that right well yeah

00:14:44.100 it shouldn't be radical and i i often try to get people to do the thought experiment like

00:14:49.300 take any non-european based country in the world and you'd ask like is is it okay for them or good

00:14:56.740 for them to be proud of their heritage well of course it is and i take i agree of course like

00:15:02.260 they should indians should be able to be proud of their heritage and their country and chinese

00:15:07.780 should be able to be proud of theirs you know anyone and same thing with canadians and people

00:15:15.540 try and say oh well canada's only been around since 1867 except as we know people of the canada

00:15:23.300 yeah officially 1867 but really the canada we're talking about was around for a long time before

00:15:28.660 that i mean pioneers and settlers uh building what became canada they were here for several

00:15:36.500 hundred years before that um you know i want to touch on that point just to make it's such an

00:15:43.620 interesting comparison because if there's this video that talks about here is the ghana culture

00:15:49.540 from ghana these are the ghana people here's what they did here's what they do here's their history

00:15:55.780 here's their lineage here's their ancestry you post that on cbc and there's going to be these

00:16:01.140 liberals in tears of how beautiful it is how beautiful these people are and then we do the

00:16:06.100 same thing at the meaning society about what a canadian is and they're like what what is this

00:16:10.260 wait that's no nationalist what is this oh my gosh this is disgusting yeah and and it's and

00:16:17.220 it speaks to like i said earlier the programming how deeply ingrained the programming is it's not

00:16:24.340 just the past like eight years or ten years of trudeau it is it's kind of been generational

00:16:29.140 it's been some decades of this um that's kind of slowly but surely been seeping into our education

00:16:34.980 politics and and uh mainstream media yeah it's accelerated in recent years but this is

00:16:42.180 this is nothing new and i mean i would say

00:16:47.220 i don't know if you can ever pick a precise starting point but i mean you go back to

00:16:52.660 the two world wars at the beginning of the 20th century where millions of young men died i mean

00:16:59.780 I mean, World War I, in my view, was about doing away with the old order.

00:17:05.720 That was the first break from the past is we need to crush the last of the old monarchies

00:17:11.680 and make the world safe for democracy, as Woodrow Wilson said, to usher in this new era.

00:17:17.520 And then World War II was kind of part two of that.

00:17:21.880 And I mean, the propaganda from World War II is the gift that keeps on giving, right?

00:17:26.820 Because now you can paint anyone who's proud of their heritage.

00:17:29.140 Oh, well, they're like the Nazis because the Nazis, they were into their heritage and look what they did.

00:17:33.560 They want to dominate the world.

00:17:34.700 So clearly anyone who's proud of their heritage, it's European.

00:17:39.020 They're like the Nazis.

00:17:39.880 They're going to want to take over the world and kill millions of people.

00:17:43.180 So therefore, we can't be like that.

00:17:45.540 We have to be multicultural.

00:17:46.800 We have to be ashamed of our own heritage.

00:17:51.920 And so and then, you know, I think it's it's progressed.

00:17:55.180 it started out slowly like if you went back in time to the 50s you would compare today you'd say

00:18:01.120 hey this seems totally different but i think the seeds were already there and as one of our viewers

00:18:06.620 said i uh i agree that the uh uh the getting rid of the red ensign was a uh says a red flag i mean

00:18:19.580 that was a piece of this, you know, disconnecting us from our heritage and, you know, taking this

00:18:28.420 flag that had history to it and has symbolism to it of who we are, right? I mean, it fits perfectly

00:18:35.820 with what Dominion Society's definition of a Canadian, but we had to, you know, get rid of

00:18:42.440 that and move forward in in a new direction yeah in terms of the um significant i'm still learning

00:18:50.320 about the specifics of this from but from what i understand the significant uh policy changes

00:18:56.800 we'll say and attitude shifts in canada happens between 1965 and 1975 that's when uh you know

00:19:03.720 official multiculturalism policy started in 71 i believe and that's around the time that the

00:19:08.600 immigration policy started to open up and of course the flag change the flag change i think

00:19:13.600 was either 64 or 65 when they uh when they changed to the uh the leaf the red leaf um where the red

00:19:21.140 ensign does um signify the founding stock uh the english the french the scottish the irish and of

00:19:29.460 course the union jack and um but i but i did want to go back to what you were saying about how the

00:19:34.380 the gift that keeps on giving the kind of uh the programming or then the messaging since world war

00:19:38.940 ii and it's this is a very um there's so i think this is if people are kind of wondering oh my god

00:19:47.660 what's happening the world's so insane like all these lies everywhere i think it actually is

00:19:52.140 really important to understand um this sort of phenomena that has happened since world war ii

00:19:59.020 because i do think it is very foundational to what we're dealing with now a great book on this

00:20:04.780 is return of the strong gods uh about nationalism populism uh is it's rr reno but uh it's it can be

00:20:14.860 a little bit of a dry read sometimes but it's it's pretty good in terms of summarizing uh

00:20:19.740 the different popular left like leftist thinkers who really kind of steered the ship right after

00:20:27.900 world war ii and um i won't go i won't get into the like the dryness here i'll try to freshen it

00:20:34.780 up and make it more relatable but you know if i were if i were talking to a center leftist for

00:20:39.900 example or even a far leftist or a communist and they said greg why are you far right like that's

00:20:44.940 crazy why are you far right why are you just like you know why are you in this like radical category

00:20:49.420 i would explain to them that there are generational lies that have been told to western society

00:20:57.900 mostly since world war the end of world war ii probably a little bit before then but like

00:21:01.980 they really got popular after world war ii and these lies are continuing to kind of

00:21:07.180 live on and cause a lot of problems and i feel that the far right are the only people who are

00:21:11.900 actually addressing these lies and in summary they would be that you know nations nations are

00:21:18.060 a real thing nations are a real thing based on uh you know our shared ancestry of a people

00:21:24.620 um race is a real thing that has significance to it as well um and there's probably a few others

00:21:33.860 but like like those those two alone are something that has been definitely undermined since the end

00:21:38.860 of end of world war ii and it's this sort of like liberalism that uh is still with us that even a

00:21:46.620 lot of conservatives still embody you know they're still they're still kind of they've been programmed

00:21:52.800 to be liberal their entire lives and uh they even they have a hard time accepting the fact that you

00:21:59.520 know race is a real thing and nation is a really significant thing unfortunately we have a lot of

00:22:05.040 conservatives who are kind of just stuck up on that well we got to fix our economy thing

00:22:09.520 uh but now we have this conservatism only yeah yeah which is brutal which is brutal um but uh

00:22:17.920 And I think the best piece of propaganda or the best thing that's helping us right now is, quite frankly, just some of the egregious behavior of people who are some people who are non-white in Canada or just even even in America, too.

00:22:33.640 you know like doing these killing people on the highway doing a u-turn while you're driving a

00:22:39.080 huge transport truck and not showing an inkling of remorse afterward that that shocks people not

00:22:45.240 even so much the car accident but like the look on the space afterward um you know there's there's

00:22:50.760 been so many clips over the past three years that have been going viral and this is really

00:22:55.880 you know it's exposing that lie that you know there is a difference between nations there is

00:23:01.400 a difference between different racial people you know um who are we kidding and it's it's gonna be

00:23:09.160 it's a pretty exciting time because people have been programmed so effectively to not look at

00:23:14.200 this not pay attention to this but uh that confrontation is obviously happening and uh

00:23:21.160 yeah i think what's great about dominion society is it offers people a calm cool collected solution

00:23:28.440 and a little bit of an explanation and justification as to why it's the best uh path forward being

00:23:34.360 remigration of course yeah so we'll talk about remigration a minute but just you kind of touched

00:23:40.440 on something that i want to go back to like what exactly is the dominion society like what is it

00:23:46.520 meant to be is it a like a lobby group or like what what is your what are you envisioning it to

00:23:52.520 to be? Yeah, Dominion Society is a vanguard movement. So it wants to inspire and influence

00:23:59.260 not just political parties, but it wants to inspire Canadian culture, the culture of the

00:24:03.360 Canadian people. And it wants to frame Canadian nationalism as being a top priority, along with

00:24:10.400 promoting remigration. So we want to be influencing every conversation that we can, every person that

00:24:16.920 we can to culminate in an uncompromising voting bloc a voting block we want to we eventually want

00:24:24.520 to have a million dominion society members across canada and it's like hey political party hey

00:24:31.160 political candidate um we're only going to vote for you unless you um we're only going to vote

00:24:37.480 for you if you push these remigration policies so if you want a million votes for your party then

00:24:44.360 And maybe you should include that in your policy.

00:24:48.200 And maybe you should start talking about this.

00:24:50.600 And some people, I think, are incorrect to assume that it's just like a right wing thing.

00:24:57.560 I think there's actually a very growing appetite for remigration policies coming from the left.

00:25:06.260 You know, like if you let's talk about the temporary foreign workers, you know, how does that if you're if you're like a voters.

00:25:13.240 sorry workers rights guy from the NDP how does importing cheap foreign labor factor into your

00:25:20.020 politics if you're constantly going to be importing cheap foreign labor labor to lower and lower and

00:25:25.780 lower wages if you're a true like you know leftist who cares about the worker you would have a problem

00:25:31.640 with that um and also we've seen from various liberal politicians them actually almost being

00:25:39.020 more aggressive in terms of saying we actually do need to deport these people you know so i i i like

00:25:44.940 that it's um it's it's focused on remigration and canadian nationalism but it's also sort of

00:25:53.060 broad in terms of how we are going to be pressuring every single political party everybody in the

00:25:58.220 political conversation of how this is uh this should be the priority for our nation yeah well

00:26:04.940 Well, and it's interesting to say about how some liberals, as in Liberal Party of Canada, have been even more aggressive.

00:26:10.100 I think it's because the Liberal Party of Canada, unlike the Conservatives, they're actually willing to change their policies a bit if they think it's going to earn them votes.

00:26:18.780 Whereas the Conservative Party seems to just be dead set on being as weak and inoffensive as possible, regardless of what the people actually want.

00:26:29.920 And I focus on using the party names because I think I like the European terminology more because in Europe, the Conservative Party of Canada would be considered liberals based on their policy by the European definition of liberal versus conservative.

00:26:46.420 And the Liberal Party of Canada would be considered socialists in Europe.

00:26:50.560 And I think that is actually more accurate.

00:26:53.340 The Liberal Party of Canada are socialists.

00:26:55.180 And I mean, fiscal conservatives, that is classical liberalism.

00:26:59.160 and i i guess that's really all that sort of we get from the conservative party i don't even know

00:27:05.580 if we if we would have that when you look at conservative premiers i'm not seeing a whole lot

00:27:10.760 of fiscal conservatism i just realized i was on the wrong microphone i probably sound a lot better

00:27:17.480 now sorry about that shoot um yeah you do sound better but wasn't too bad before okay uh yeah no

00:27:26.260 it's weird how all the words kind of get mixed up um you know is the liberal party liberal they're

00:27:32.840 more authoritarian than anything else you know socialist i think is more appropriate in that

00:27:38.360 vein because socialists tend to be authoritarian because that's the only way you can implement

00:27:43.220 socialism yeah yeah yeah um but yeah i don't know i i'm uh like i i'm a broken record when it comes

00:27:54.680 to this uh conservative party i just do not think they are strong enough i think that

00:27:59.080 the amount of outrage like let's can we talk about this do not uh or just comply clip can we play

00:28:05.400 that sure yeah we got that one here because i know lots of people have been asking about it so

00:28:11.400 let me uh outrageous man yeah it's uh we'll get this get this going here uh

00:28:25.640 and make his own statement and his own mind up about that what i would say is as we'll follow

00:28:32.680 the laws as they're written the laws change will change with the laws um but as it stands um we

00:28:39.160 know uh the best defense uh for most people is to comply as you've just heard a number of uh

00:28:45.560 safety recommendations um will allow for those that are victimizing members in the community

00:28:54.680 to leave and not harm anyone.

00:29:01.500 It sometimes can fall on deaf ears when members feel like they have to take matters into their own hands.

00:29:08.960 And the only thing I'd say is if we are going to rely on our community members to take matters into their own hands to solve this problem,

00:29:16.840 we have all failed our community.

00:29:18.200 So I don't, I'll leave political comments to the politicians and let them have those conversations.

00:29:26.660 But for now, the laws are written.

00:29:28.380 We'll follow those laws.

00:29:29.580 But I guess you are hoping that people kind of heed your advice more than the premiers

00:29:32.680 here that if they do find themselves in a situation that they should do the best they

00:29:36.920 can to kind of stay away from the criminals.

00:29:39.960 My advice is to rely on our police service, call 911 immediately, and let us take it from

00:29:45.580 there.

00:29:45.860 um and um we see more often than not when people comply um that uh you know

00:29:55.060 injuries are not uh are not happening and people are not victimized in terms of injury or or in

00:30:02.480 this case unfortunately we've seen the loss of life in some of these incidents

00:30:06.540 damn it feels good to be a gangster dude if you're a gangster in canada right now you're like yeah

00:30:16.520 that's right comply to me the the law breaker the criminal just comply to me being a violent

00:30:23.840 thug breaking into your home i rule i am the ruler in canada i am the burglar you must comply

00:30:32.200 to the burglar it's hard to put into words the uh like the the amount of outrage that should be

00:30:43.060 that this should be met with you know what i mean like it's uh it's it's hard to even even

00:30:49.120 kind of conceive how outraged people should be yeah although it seems that it is starting to

00:30:56.240 get a little bit of traction and unfortunately i think it's the the way things often are things

00:31:00.900 need to get bad before people will start getting upset because i mean in fairness to the chief

00:31:08.280 there he he's actually correct about when he's talking about the laws the way they are i think

00:31:13.100 we've seen well you know there's a whole bunch to unpack there i mean we've seen the way the

00:31:19.180 police and prosecutors enforce the law the the law of self-defense in and of itself i looked at

00:31:26.360 this way back in episodes 18 and 19 of Don't Talk TV. So people want to look at that for a bit more

00:31:31.480 in depth. You'll see that people generally are acquitted by their fellow Canadians, or even

00:31:36.720 judges, if it's not a jury trial, but they still get prosecuted. And our law is also, I mean,

00:31:45.880 don't shoot the messenger. I strongly disagree with this, but the law in Canada is possession

00:31:51.800 of any object for the purpose of self-defense is in and of itself the crime of carrying a weapon

00:31:58.840 for a dangerous purpose. So, and that's, there's case law from back in the 80s and 90s. The 70s

00:32:04.900 is when it started changing, where the judges started saying, wait, we don't, they straight

00:32:11.880 up said, this isn't a direct quote paraphrasing, but they said, we don't want people defending

00:32:17.840 themselves because that actually makes the community more dangerous that was the view

00:32:22.080 that judges have been taking since since started turning in the 70s and into the 80s uh

00:32:28.080 i i talked about that in uh richard i'll get you to put the link i think is what episode

00:32:33.520 41 or somewhere around there so what about this is this like is this a this guitar is that like

00:32:40.960 uh a weapon for a dangerous purpose if someone broke into my house and i used that to like

00:32:45.920 bash their head in well it wouldn't it would become a weapon if you use it to hit someone

00:32:52.640 like if you're just carrying it around as a guitar it's not a weapon but if you are carrying it

00:32:57.120 specifically because i'm going to use this to defend myself with it now it's become a weapon

00:33:01.680 for a dangerous purpose in the eyes right but but it's in it's in the context of a of a burglary

00:33:06.400 in my house right so it was still a weapon and then it comes down to oh is is this a reasonable

00:33:12.720 use of force which again people after they've been punished by the process of being arrested

00:33:18.880 and prosecuted they usually get acquitted in the end the problem is getting there and that's why

00:33:24.320 i have to say about doug ford talking about how all people should be allowed to defend themselves

00:33:29.440 i'm outraged by what the police are doing it's like well mr ford it's your prosecutors who are

00:33:34.720 prosecuting this prosecutors in ontario and probably most provinces but i know for sure

00:33:41.840 Ontario, they have a whole policy manual for what they're supposed to do with different types of

00:33:47.100 cases. They're not allowed to drop drunk driving charges, for example, unless there's some clear

00:33:53.940 problems with it. Then they can offer a careless driving under the Highway Traffic Act. Generally,

00:33:59.640 I don't even know if they can drop them outright. So Doug Downey, the Attorney General, Doug Ford's

00:34:04.860 Attorney General, he could add to that policy manual that we think people have the right to

00:34:10.320 defend themselves if it's inside a home we're not prosecuting it he could that's obviously not

00:34:14.940 happening so I you know there's a little bit of actions speak louder than words I think and so

00:34:22.180 that goes back to you know to be a little bit fair to that police chief he's not completely wrong

00:34:27.260 when he says the law is this way and you know he's I think he's trying to tell people and I'm

00:34:35.820 I'm not necessarily saying that he's trying to help us, but I think he's actually factually correct in saying that, yeah, if you defend yourself, we're probably going to arrest you.

00:34:44.740 And the law is the law until it changes, et cetera, as he was saying.

00:34:50.660 I think the law does need to change, but the policies and how the current law is enforced could also change.

00:34:56.120 And the people who are in charge, they're just talking to the media instead of actually changing it, as far as I can tell.

00:35:00.840 i think what bothers me the most about that clip is that it was a message to potential victims of

00:35:11.320 a burglary and telling them to just accept it it's like i feel like if you're a good police chief

00:35:17.240 you should be intimidating the criminals if you're a good police chief you should be trying to strike

00:35:22.600 fear into the hearts and minds of the people breaking the law because instead the message

00:35:28.840 instead the message was just comply with the burglars i'm i'm a little i'm a big tough police

00:35:35.480 chief look at all my look at all my uh accolades on my chest telling my own citizens to just crawl

00:35:43.080 up in a ball and get their kicked in it's uh like what what do you what do you think

00:35:51.800 i think you kind of just mentioned it or alluded to it like if you had a magic wand as a lawyer

00:35:57.160 and you could and you could correct the uh the current laws we have just we'll just say

00:36:02.440 specifically because i know there's lots of changes you might want to make but but if it was

00:36:07.480 just for uh specifically the you know break and enter stuff where a canadian citizen is not allowed

00:36:14.520 to defend themselves if you could wave a magic wand what would the the wands butter wand do

00:36:21.080 i mean the easiest one specifically what we're talking about i i would put in a castle doctrine

00:36:30.200 where i'd change the self-defense laws where it says you don't even have to be restricted by

00:36:36.120 reasonable force if someone is in if if someone has invaded your home you're allowed to use

00:36:42.280 whatever force you deem necessary uh the way you'd have to work i think what i would do is

00:36:48.040 instead of making it a defense because that's the way the police always word it to say well you know

00:36:53.320 they still committed the offense self-defense is a defense but you have to raise that at trial

00:36:58.360 i would change a lot of the sections of the criminal code in and of themselves to make it

00:37:03.160 not even an offense if so for example like have written right into assault aggravated assault

00:37:09.400 you know use discharge of firearm in there that right into an exception so for example assault is

00:37:16.520 any application of force without the other person's consent add a word in there that you

00:37:23.320 know any application of force without the other person's consent uh you know so long as they're

00:37:30.680 not inside your residence or or something along those lines i i you know you would i obviously

00:37:37.400 haven't fine-tuned to precise wording because the devil is always in the details would have

00:37:41.880 to be precisely worded because you don't want situations where people are say luring people

00:37:46.280 into their homes so they can do a murder and get away with it so it would have to be that they

00:37:51.800 broke into the house before that aspect of it gets triggered so there would have to be some

00:37:58.520 nuance to it but i i think that and totally re overhauling our sentencing regime i think would

00:38:06.120 also be be an important piece of it uh although i think number one people need to fear that hey

00:38:12.920 if i break into that house that guy could kill me and nothing's going to happen to him where

00:38:18.680 criminals do not have that fear when they hear police chiefs saying just comply they have no

00:38:23.880 fear and in terms of if sorry if anything they feel emboldened if anything if you're already a

00:38:30.360 criminal who's thinking about doing this stuff and you just saw a police chief on tv tell people to

00:38:37.480 just comply you're like you know what i feel even more jacked up about this burglary at burglary i

00:38:43.240 was planning next week do you not like i just should just to get into the mind of a criminal

00:38:47.480 like i feel like that's a pretty emboldening message from a police chief just comply wow

00:38:54.120 yeah well and i mean this isn't the first time i've heard this wasn't there somewhere also

00:38:58.600 maybe it was york region the previous time where they were saying yeah just leave your car keys

00:39:02.440 out leave your car keys by the front door so they can just take your car insane insane

00:39:11.160 and yeah you said it best i think if a homeowner did have the freedom to use lethal force against

00:39:20.200 someone who broke into their home i think that would be a pretty strong incentive for burglars

00:39:25.480 to be like you know what maybe maybe i shouldn't break in because maybe this will be my last break

00:39:29.320 in maybe there's going to be some dude with a uh you know a hockey stick and he's going to go

00:39:35.400 you know fill in the blank well you do see that in countries where they've tried that i don't have

00:39:41.320 the statistics to hand but i recall reading a few years ago i mean brazil had a huge problem

00:39:47.960 with home invasions and under bolsonaro he greatly liberalized their firearms laws and

00:39:55.160 self-defense laws and break and enters plummeted there you go incentives they work incredible um

00:40:07.000 but i i think the other thing that we wanted to talk about here is uh and it's it's connecting

00:40:14.120 two dots that people don't want to connect and that is the rising crime with the rise in immigration

00:40:21.240 the rise of foreign people coming here and uh being across the nation and also a rise in the

00:40:27.880 the criminal behavior um yeah i mean do you have any statistics on hand that sort of uh that you

00:40:38.520 try to show people when it comes to this pattern or is it is it something that you kind of steer

00:40:43.800 clear of it it is sort of um you know it makes sense why people are kind of afraid to connect

00:40:50.120 these dots but at the same time it's like uh if you if you look at all these like police reports

00:40:55.400 and you see the colors of the faces over and over and over again it's uh you know people are starting

00:41:01.480 to notice even liberal people are starting to notice you know what i mean yeah i i don't have

00:41:07.320 any stats to hand i probably should i've done it in the past i know i've i've looked at uh

00:41:13.880 at the statistics but you can do a google search and you'll find crime stats are

00:41:19.240 are on the rise generally and there's a lot of things like uh yeah violent crime being on the

00:41:26.600 rise and you know some people say oh this is just a pure coincidence that that we're having this

00:41:34.360 crime, just pure coincidence that there's all this extreme numbers of immigration coinciding

00:41:41.300 with the rise in crime. Now, I think it would be wrong to just say that, oh, it's just because

00:41:46.480 it's all immigrants doing this crime. It's because we've got a lot of immigrants that

00:41:49.800 it's happening. I mean, there's a lot of factors, right? I mean, a big piece is how it's destroying

00:41:55.200 our economy of bringing in so many new people, so much more strain on infrastructure, putting

00:42:01.840 rent through the roof so you have people who are already here for a long time homelessness despair

00:42:07.840 getting into drug use getting into all kinds of things so there's a lot of different factors but

00:42:12.960 you keep coming back to the i think the common denominator of what has changed

00:42:18.720 or i mean one of the big changes i think there's there's a few changes but one big change is you

00:42:24.480 know how many new people have come to this country in the last just the last few years because i mean

00:42:30.880 it's not like we're talking about small numbers i mean what the population of canada in 2020 was

00:42:36.400 what 32 million now it's 42 million there's maybe 33 or 34 million in 2020 but i mean it's absolutely

00:42:45.040 surged and it's not because there's been some big baby boom yeah yeah it's um yeah it's it's

00:42:54.000 it's it's quite i saw a clip actually before going live and it was a clip of it was like a

00:43:00.720 man on the street thing and it was uh i don't know the one guy had a pakistani shirt on the

00:43:05.520 other guy looked east indian and he was like what's the craziest thing you saw at like ridgetown

00:43:09.840 mall or something like that and the guy described how like a group of guys like ran up on a woman

00:43:16.000 and like it was a battery ting or something and it's like you did you see a rape and he was like

00:43:22.000 yeah i wish i would have like joined in or something it's like it's like what and and

00:43:25.920 this is just an example of something i see where it's like because i try to be very diplomatic

00:43:30.320 when talking about these things but like i'll see i'll see some clips and i'll think to myself

00:43:36.640 maybe i'm not racist enough like what like what the hell was that like is that is that a common

00:43:42.080 attitude that people have from pakistan you know it's uh it's quite alarming and and then again

00:43:48.320 now that i say this out loud maybe that's actually an approach for the stats is to actually get stats

00:43:54.840 in the countries where these people are coming from and say hey look how common this is look at

00:44:01.600 the laws around this in in pakistan or in india and these 40 of the people coming in are from india

00:44:10.260 so could that have to do with uh you know the rise in this type of crime you know uh and while

00:44:16.940 we're actually talking about this dominion society is working on uh collecting as many stats as we

00:44:23.400 can to connect these dots between uh crime and immigration just to create as much urgency as

00:44:29.240 possible so if you have any tips then please send them to info at dominionsociety.ca because

00:44:36.460 uh like you said we we don't want to just make oh it's oh it's just because of it's just because

00:44:41.560 i'm immigrants blah blah blah blah like like we're not trying to lie or we're not trying to

00:44:46.580 kind of like you know be be unnecessarily uh what's the word hyperbolic or anything like this

00:44:52.900 we want to have the credibility of having the stats and the truth and the facts on our side

00:44:57.560 when we're going to be kind of connecting dots like this so if you do have any stats if you do

00:45:01.860 have any tips info at dominionsociety.ca send us an email with the with the link some stats can

00:45:08.240 you know any anything that has kind of some credible um research or sort of you know methodology

00:45:15.660 behind the statistics would be fantastic yeah i mean i think data is always crucial because i

00:45:25.540 think that's one thing that people often criticize our government for the people that are doing

00:45:32.760 policy you know they never want to talk about the actual statistics or the actual data it's

00:45:37.140 more about you know feelings or their moral view of what's right to do regardless of what the actual

00:45:44.060 facts are have you ever looked at canadian crime statistics i only tried to look at it once

00:45:51.820 on stats can and if i recall correctly the way they break down like race or ethnicity

00:46:00.140 was really odd to me i could be wrong but like i'm pretty sure i did this like a year or two ago

00:46:06.140 and they had like the wildest different categories like they i feel like they had like

00:46:11.340 four or eight different like first nations ethnicities like indigenous ethnicities like

00:46:21.340 that was broken down into like you know four or five different categories of like all these

00:46:25.660 different specific type of indigenous races and then like only a few others besides that like it

00:46:31.340 was like it was grossly overrepresented in terms of the options of the different ethnicities

00:46:35.660 a whole bunch of them were were different uh like indigenous ethnicities which uh i mean if

00:46:43.100 you look at the stats in i think saskatchewan of like how often the crime is being done by uh

00:46:51.820 by like natives uh i've heard it's quite alarming but again this is not stuff that uh i've dug deep

00:46:58.700 into and um a little bit a little little bit different from remigration but still uh still

00:47:06.720 interesting stuff yeah well there's a whole yeah there's there's a lot going in and but of course

00:47:14.900 the numbers are only as good as the reporting as well right so and for crime rates i that would

00:47:22.720 require people to be reporting things to the police that would require the police to act to

00:47:28.160 be laying charges so i mean that's another thing the statistics they're not you know they may not

00:47:36.680 be always reliable so for example if you looked up statistics they would probably say that zero

00:47:43.400 churches have been zero christian churches have been criminally burnt down in canada over the

00:47:48.520 last several years right the arson in canada is not arson christian churches is not a problem

00:47:53.400 because the police haven't arrested made a single arrest so they haven't proved that these are

00:47:58.660 actually arsons but i i think when you see obviously that's happened right i think it's

00:48:05.040 over 200 now 200 churches burning down oh really i i thought the number was hanging around like

00:48:13.720 140 or something like this i didn't realize it was that high but um speaking of that because

00:48:20.460 i have a direct sort of example of um of like how are the statistics reported um anthony house father

00:48:29.400 august 31st he posted this this letter talking about the safety of jewish canadians

00:48:37.000 and in the letter he taught what was the stat let me find it right now jews make up slightly

00:48:43.920 more than one percent of canada's population but are the victims of 70 percent of reported

00:48:48.820 religious based acts of hate and i thought oh i commented and i actually ratioed him i said over

00:48:56.740 100 churches have burnt down in canada over the past few years and christian singers get routinely

00:49:01.940 banned from performing you know not to mention the statues that are toppled of our christian

00:49:07.220 historical figures like sir johnny mcdonald etc like is that form of hatred factored into that 70

00:49:14.020 figure you know like like are we not counting why wouldn't we count sir johnny mcdonald as a

00:49:18.720 christian who's being attacked by antifa is that not an act of hate is is uh like these over a

00:49:25.240 hundred churches burning down is that how you know if if if jews are targeted 70 percent of the time

00:49:32.600 like like how big is the percentage what was the methodology of collecting this you know well the

00:49:37.420 methodology yeah and yeah and what is considered what is their uh definition or what do they

00:49:43.100 consider a hate crime they're probably considering what's been charged i can tell you in 20 years

00:49:48.600 as a criminal lawyer i've yet to see anyone charged with hate crime against a christian

00:49:55.100 yeah and it's disproportionately certain groups where you get charged i mean

00:50:01.060 just because you're speaking specifically about jews no other group has a law specific to them

00:50:06.880 making it a crime to in any way downplay although they don't define what they mean by downplay but

00:50:14.700 to downplay an event from their history where they were victims of persecution like it's so

00:50:22.680 the holocaust right that that was a private member's bill from the conservative party of

00:50:26.680 canada you're not allowed to downplay any aspect and i i've said i had problems because it's so

00:50:33.220 vaguely worded I don't know what they're outlawing because it's so vaguely worded but you know they

00:50:38.360 have that so of course you're going to get more crimes when they're the only group like if someone

00:50:42.820 denied the Armenian genocide in Turkey that's not a crime so of course that's not going to show up

00:50:48.220 in their statistics or if someone denied the holodomor the you know death by starvation of

00:50:53.940 millions of Ukrainians by the Soviet Union that's never going to show up in hate crime statistics

00:50:59.340 because it's not a crime to say that that didn't happen

00:51:02.240 or to say that, well, you know, they deserved it.

00:51:04.740 So Stalin was right to do that.

00:51:07.480 Perfectly legal to say that.

00:51:08.820 So, I mean, that's got to skew the statistics as well

00:51:11.980 when one group has a very law specific to them

00:51:16.580 that no one else has.

00:51:19.040 Yeah.

00:51:20.240 And I saw actually, just while we're on this topic,

00:51:23.140 I saw a tweet, some guy in the States

00:51:26.940 said something along the lines of like oh man when you come out to support israel like you

00:51:32.440 get so much hatred for it and like no one ever talks about the hatred that israel gets

00:51:37.240 and i'm like hold on and i actually asked grok and i asked grok out of all identifiable racial

00:51:45.760 and religious groups which group has the largest number of speech laws across western countries

00:51:50.860 that are uniquely and specifically written in regards to that specific group's identity

00:51:55.560 give me a one word answer and even grok was like jews because there's specific holocaust laws

00:52:04.220 across the board in a whole bunch of different uh white western countries so it's like not only

00:52:09.620 are people talking about the uh you know the hatred towards jewish people but like they have

00:52:14.760 the most laws out of anybody specifically for them uh or for something based on their identity

00:52:20.680 which is uh as you mentioned the the hula coost but uh pretty interesting pretty interesting stuff

00:52:27.640 um yeah i guess you just i i well you you said it in such a way so that the algorithms aren't

00:52:34.360 going to shut down this video but i already said it in the way that youtube's probably going to

00:52:38.200 pick up that i said that and therefore you can't see the video or something because

00:52:44.120 i mean we're not even talking but we're just talking about the fact that there's a law

00:52:46.840 law making it illegal to um deny down i think it's deny downplay or justify and if bill well

00:52:57.420 if bill c63 were in effect this would count as a as a thought crime right this this would make you

00:53:04.080 make me or you a potential uh hater just based on talking about it uh well i mean if yeah i said

00:53:11.580 yeah if that one were in effect i mean right now we're not we're not expressing any opinions i'm

00:53:15.580 just saying that's the law i i'm saying i have concerns because so vague that it's i don't know

00:53:21.120 what's actually illegal under that because the the holocaust is very vaguely denied so i don't know

00:53:27.320 but anyway we i've i did a whole episode on that we don't need to uh go into that any more detail

00:53:33.240 but um i i don't want to keep you too long i'm greatly enjoying our discussion but i'm sure

00:53:41.920 you've got places to be, I've got places to be, but just to talk about re-migration a little bit

00:53:46.260 more. People probably know what we're talking about, but maybe if you could give a little

00:53:52.100 quick synopsis of what do you mean when you say that, or what's the Dominion Society pushing for

00:53:59.020 when they say that that's something that they're advocating for? Yeah, absolutely. So what is

00:54:05.940 re-migration a lot of people ask this question and well let's first talk about immigration policy

00:54:12.420 immigration right now in canada we have a robust immigration policy that has everything from the

00:54:17.780 refugee program the temporary foreign workers program the family reunification program

00:54:22.820 the international students program there's the the point system with the immigration system

00:54:27.940 and that those robust policies right now they all incentivize foreigners to come here and exploit

00:54:36.740 our social services there's a lot of other kind of sort of incentives but right now it's kind of

00:54:41.940 like really easily easy to take advantage of these policies as a foreign person to show up

00:54:48.180 and to start exploiting our social services so that's like you know obviously relying on

00:54:53.380 on our health care system, whatever it is. Remigration is simply taking the immigration

00:54:59.720 policies we have and reversing those incentives. So changing the different programs, changing the

00:55:05.920 kind of how they're structured, how they work, and creating them so they incentivize people

00:55:12.320 to, for foreigners, to return to their homeland or to not exploit our social services. And there's

00:55:19.520 a lot of really great things in there because a lot of, not a lot, but there's definitely a trend

00:55:25.760 of immigrants coming here or foreigners coming here working and then siphoning all of the money

00:55:31.520 back home, siphoning all the money they make back home. There's instances of immigrants or

00:55:37.660 foreigners coming here, not assimilating at all, not even trying to assimilate and just kind of

00:55:42.600 doing their own thing. That's not what we should want as a country. We should want people to learn

00:55:49.280 french or english this isn't really complicated stuff and quebec has done some things that allude

00:55:54.900 to that and we're actually we actually at dominion society we steal a few things from quebec and what

00:55:59.660 they've been doing and like let's make that nationwide let's make that federal federally

00:56:04.000 across the country but um i do kind of want to get your opinion on this because i don't know if

00:56:09.340 you've read our 10-step remigration plan but you can check it out on our website dominionsociety.ca

00:56:14.060 just click on what is remigration go to the bottom of the page there's a 10-step remigration plan

00:56:18.240 there but some people have read this and they're like this is authoritarian and it's like i guess

00:56:24.320 like be like wanting to change the law and then enforce it is authoritarian i guess i uh i didn't

00:56:31.600 really understand kind of um why people were calling it authoritarian but uh i do think that's

00:56:38.080 something that this is kind of a sidebar like i do think that like some right-wing people who are

00:56:41.760 libertarian they get kind of caught up in this idea that uh oh like we shouldn't use the law

00:56:49.440 like we need we just need less laws and like sometimes i i agree but in in terms of course

00:56:54.880 correcting with something that's been totally messed up so badly like mass immigration and

00:56:59.520 multiculturalism it's like actually we need to use the law to correct the situation

00:57:04.640 um and we should not be afraid to do that and um yeah let's get it done

00:57:13.280 yeah time to pack yeah i mean there's a bunch of things there the whole authoritarian thing i mean

00:57:19.140 i think authoritarian libertarianism i think got a big boost from covet 19 because they saw what

00:57:25.940 went on oh that's authoritarian therefore authoritarian bad like just all the time

00:57:30.440 and you'd see things like the Freedom Convoy, which was there.

00:57:34.200 I mean, frankly, it was, you know, the anarcho-capitalist dream

00:57:38.580 of how they think society would work if anarcho-capitalism was actually a thing.

00:57:42.900 I think it was very particular to those circumstances.

00:57:45.800 You look through history, anarchy never – there's always someone who's going to come in.

00:57:51.680 I think what – I don't think authoritarianism is really that bad of a thing.

00:57:58.220 I'm in favor of more limited government, but there's a difference between authoritarian

00:58:01.740 government and one that's more limited. We have authoritarian and broad reaching.

00:58:06.280 Sometimes you need authoritarianism. I mean, we're talking about actually enforcing the law

00:58:11.060 or putting criminals in for lengthier sentences. Well, arguably that's authoritarian, right? Because

00:58:16.540 if you're living anarcho-capitalism, there are no law courts. There's no police. There's no laws.

00:58:22.540 it's just complete people doing whatever and whatever they want you want me to have a driver's

00:58:28.540 license that's authoritarian oh my gosh yeah so i i mean but as you say enforcing the laws we

00:58:36.300 actually have that's not a i don't think that's authoritarian i mean i think the whole authoritarian

00:58:43.260 thing gets thrown around when people don't like the law that's being enforced but then they'd be

00:58:47.660 they're okay with authoritarian and other things i think that goes back to how wide ranging or what

00:58:55.180 areas the government is authoritarian in so i agree government should be more limited but

00:58:59.740 in terms of your 10 point plan the interesting thing is uh i think step two of your plan is

00:59:05.340 actually all is already being talked about by the liberal party of canada unfortunately they're

00:59:10.140 they're skipping over uh over just they're skipping over step one but which is a total

00:59:17.340 moratorium on immigration which i think needs to be done i mean that's not authoritarian that's

00:59:22.540 just look we got a situation we've got to deal with it so let's put the brakes on so we can

00:59:27.340 figure out what's going on and stabilize the situation abolishing the temporary foreign

00:59:31.340 worker program as i said there's already talk about that happening from uh the the um government

00:59:37.020 restricting birthright citizenship there's nothing authoritarian about that that's just

00:59:41.660 i think a country has a right to risk to determine how you become a citizen that that is that's not

00:59:49.660 that's any group of people have the right to determine how you become a member of that group

00:59:54.540 so a country is is just that writ large making canada less affordable for immigrants arguably

01:00:00.460 that's anti-authoritarian because we're talking about less government subsidies like if you look

01:00:07.520 at it from that perspective right you could you could look at it from like well we're you know

01:00:12.440 we're not you can make it less comfortable without actually um being discriminatory towards people

01:00:20.400 it's actually opposite you just treat everyone the same like you know like i mean my wife's an

01:00:25.240 immigrant her family fled communism to come here but guess what they didn't get a dime

01:00:30.320 they had to pay the government back for their flight even though they're refugees they had to

01:00:34.240 take a loan from the canadian government and pay it back and there are none of the incentives that

01:00:39.920 are around now existed back in the 80s so they just showed up and they had to work like everyone

01:00:44.560 else so i would argue that's less comfortable than what the current situation is you can find

01:00:50.400 all kind of quick google search you'll find all kinds of the job subsidies that are given to

01:00:55.120 companies to make it easier for them to get jobs than for people who are canadian citizens and

01:01:01.040 there's lots of these uh what resettlement things you've got uh refugee claimants living in hotels

01:01:07.600 i mean those are all things that actually by scaling back government that's less authoritarian

01:01:12.640 i mean those are just the first four points but that the phase two is when you start getting into

01:01:18.640 the remigration revocation permanent residency mass deportations voluntary repatriation program

01:01:24.960 now that's where we're starting to get a little bit more spicy perhaps but uh i mean i think the

01:01:32.080 whole revocation permit residency that could be done to so many people right now just with the

01:01:37.040 current laws that we have um and i'll just show this quickly just to uh like look at government

01:01:45.360 of canada reasons you may be inadmissible to canada so just looking at the current laws

01:01:49.680 uh you know you could be inadmissible if you committed a crime well as we know from the

01:01:57.020 what were the statistics last year the canadian armed forces when they started taking non-citizens

01:02:02.020 for the first time over 100 000 people applied like something like 1500 were accepted because

01:02:08.640 everyone else failed the screening check the canadian forces has so that makes me think

01:02:13.820 there's a lot of people that haven't been properly screened by immigration canada or screened at all

01:02:18.040 you could probably get rid of a bunch of you know have a lot of people that would be deemed

01:02:22.320 inadmissible for a criminal record now medical reasons is an interesting one because

01:02:26.900 if your medical situation causes excessive demand on health or social services oh wow so i i mean

01:02:35.000 when you i i don't you know i think everyone would agree there is some you know there's some

01:02:41.780 excessive demand going on on our health and social services right now that that could be a reason

01:02:46.600 that you could make deemed all sorts of people would be inadmissible and then financial reasons

01:02:53.620 if you're unable or unwilling to support yourself and your family members uh now a lot of them have

01:02:59.640 jobs but there may be people that don't have jobs misrepresentation false information i mean i don't

01:03:04.100 know if you saw that cbc thing where uh within five minutes cbc was able to get a bunch of job

01:03:10.920 offer fake job offers to get fake to get visas under false pretenses to come to canada i don't

01:03:18.440 know if you remember seeing that one uh or even just having a family member who's inadmissible

01:03:25.800 so these are under the current laws i'm sure i'm sorry for context sorry for context what

01:03:32.040 what uh what page are you on here like what like what is this uh this is

01:03:35.240 I'll put the link here in the, uh, in the immigration citizenship, live in Canada,

01:03:40.700 find out if you're in it, find out if you're admissible.

01:03:43.700 Okay.

01:03:46.160 There you have it.

01:03:48.200 That's just a summary.

01:03:49.040 Obviously I'm not going into the actual immigration act, but I think we can rely

01:03:53.820 on the government website.

01:03:55.620 In fact, that's a principle in law that you can rely on official publications

01:03:59.000 of the government, uh, to understand what the law is.

01:04:02.180 So just from that quick review there, I think a number of the parts of the Dominion Society's plan there could be done without even changing the current laws, just enforcing in a perhaps more strict or robust way the laws that are currently on the books.

01:04:24.060 absolutely and this kind of goes back to uh it's funny how the you know the conversation

01:04:31.560 kind of gets twisted around right like like as i mentioned there's been some people in the right

01:04:35.980 wing space who call themselves right wing um who are like oh this is authoritarian or this is like

01:04:42.620 a white ethno thing and it's like folks there are hundreds of thousands of people who are overstaying

01:04:50.520 their visas and we if we want to enforce those laws we need to deport them and there's like

01:04:57.580 very little willingness to enforce the existing laws so this represents like a much much bigger

01:05:03.380 problem where it's like if we're going to have these laws and not enforce them then what do the

01:05:07.660 laws even mean what does this country even mean you know it's and like really it's about building

01:05:13.100 that backbone um because like if we don't have that backbone we're just going to continue to

01:05:19.220 get sorry to use the language but like invaded by foreign people who are going to be exploiting our

01:05:25.080 sort of whack of a backbone our our jellyfish kind of doormat nature and that's exactly what

01:05:31.800 needs to change and that's why i think simultaneously asserting who we are as a

01:05:38.640 country who we are as a nation starting with our history um is is important because it starts with

01:05:44.820 like the self-respect of of that fact of that truth as that as the foundation and the natural

01:05:52.260 thing after that is like that's why we need to enforce these laws to protect that yeah and it's

01:05:58.580 you know the the word racism's come a lot up a lot during this podcast because that's always the

01:06:04.100 accusation but in my view i haven't heard i don't neither of us have said anything about that we

01:06:10.100 hate people from other countries it's just you're allowed to have your own country and i i always

01:06:15.460 return to that like what what how would this conversation be taken if it was taking place

01:06:20.980 in another country or like what you know they always talk about well you know colonialism

01:06:25.940 africa all these white people moved to africa well you're saying that's bad aren't you saying

01:06:30.900 it's bad for people to be displacing the population sorry there now they would turn it around and say

01:06:35.860 well you know that applies to canada because canada was all stolen i mean that's that's a

01:06:40.020 whole other topic that we don't have time to get into in terms of the history of canada and how

01:06:44.320 many people actually lived here how much of the land was unoccupied how how all the treaties

01:06:50.580 panned out and how many roads were there how many towns were there how many buildings were there how

01:06:55.880 many structures were there where did they come from uh yeah um we don't have time to get i mean

01:07:01.980 could do a whole two-hour episode probably just talking about the history which isn't taught in

01:07:07.660 schools so people don't i mean you'll get a few sound bites from cbc but i don't think very many

01:07:13.180 people have actually looked into like the actual like what actually happened read some of these

01:07:20.140 actual treaties read some first-hand accounts read things that were going on um there's a lot of

01:07:27.660 epic things in canadian history and i hope to learn a lot more about it because i i think i'm

01:07:33.740 actually a great example uh of a bad example like i'm a great example of a of a bad example i mean

01:07:39.740 that as in like you know i grew up um i'm 36 now but i grew up like in the 90s and through the

01:07:46.300 education system i can tell you offhand it was canada's a cultural mosaic juno beach um you know

01:07:56.140 vimy ridge uh and then pretty quickly it goes straight into like you know we had brave shoulder

01:08:02.860 soldiers in world war ii uh upper upper canada lower canada maybe heard a little bit about that

01:08:09.500 and then honestly it goes straight into the heritage minutes that you mentioned uh maple

01:08:14.460 syrup hockey poutine like it goes straight like after those like few touch points it goes straight

01:08:20.860 into like sort of this um very shallow version of understanding what it means to be canadian not

01:08:27.380 one that's based in history and that one like here's another uh thing thing that relates to

01:08:33.360 that there's a beautiful park called algonquin park in ontario the probably the best place for

01:08:40.800 camping and canoe camping in in uh definitely in ontario and there's a really highly recommend

01:08:46.980 this hike it's called like the track and tower hike but uh when you go on this hike in algonquin

01:08:52.900 park you can just drive in drive out but when you go on this hike you can get a little like brochure

01:08:57.160 that kind of explains different parts on the hike and there was a highly trafficked railroad that

01:09:04.800 was going right through algonquin park back in the day that had like so much lumber that was going

01:09:10.560 towards uh going towards i guess like somewhere the the saint lawrence and it was for um the war

01:09:17.340 effort and it's crazy because like you look around you don't see you don't see the railroad at all

01:09:22.580 but like just to hear about like the logging industry in canada and how robust and intense

01:09:27.440 it was and it's like this is something that connects me to this country and connects me to

01:09:32.840 the land you know it's like like you know algonquin park is doing a better job at making me feel like

01:09:37.320 a proud canadian much more so than the cbc is you know um but like you know things like that i i

01:09:43.340 would i really want to learn uh more about because uh i think it just kind of connects the

01:09:48.760 the beautiful landscape to the beautiful people who helped develop the nation you know it kind

01:09:55.580 of like it marries those two things um because you know conquering this this wicked landscape

01:10:02.400 is is quite the the task that we should feel very proud of and i think that is i think that

01:10:07.000 is a very foundational thing about our identity that we need to not only talk about more,

01:10:13.460 but kind of be more assertive about and try to honor in everything that we do.

01:10:20.980 Well, I think that's a great place to end off.

01:10:25.720 I think we've covered a lot of ground here.

01:10:27.240 And yeah, I think that's kind of circling back to the positivity and learning who we

01:10:36.620 are where we came from and cherishing that because there's canada has a much richer history than i'm

01:10:43.260 sure a lot of people would even guess even maybe it hasn't been around as long as places like france

01:10:48.620 or china or japan or germany but well although arguably germany is actually younger than canada

01:10:55.580 from a certain perspective um because germany and italy both were didn't become countries

01:11:02.460 as we know them until the after canada was a country but um yeah so uh thanks thanks for uh

01:11:09.900 for joining us greg we're gonna have the uh link to the dominion society in the show description so

01:11:15.500 we invite people to have a look at that uh and so greg's on the board of directors i don't want

01:11:21.660 any false advertising i'm not any in any capacity affiliated with the dominion society so i just

01:11:28.300 say that because i don't want to be trying to steal any thunder from you or having people

01:11:31.020 thinking that that i i'm helping run it but it's something uh of interest so i wanted to have you

01:11:36.940 on the show to talk about it and uh i think we had a great discussion so thanks for for joining

01:11:42.060 me and having this chat yeah yeah thanks so much for having me nicholas and yeah we we appreciate

01:11:48.860 anyone who wants to kind of learn more about dominion society um i think it's the beginning

01:11:54.700 of something very significant uh one of my tasks as a board member is calling new members i'm

01:12:01.500 talking to ceos i'm talking to you know white color workers blue color workers young men in

01:12:08.220 university majoring in polyscience becoming lawyers uh it's a lot of focused people who

01:12:13.900 love this country and uh they also see like the long term they see the long term kind of plan

01:12:18.780 and in uh in what we're doing and uh you know there's been a lot of long-term long-term

01:12:25.660 let's try that again there's been a lot there's been a lot of long-term damage

01:12:29.980 that's happened to the country it's going to take a long-term solution to uh to rectify things

01:12:37.020 yeah so i've got to do my lawyerly disclaimer of course no legal advice was given in this

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Greg Wycliffe - September 05, 2025

＂Just Comply＂ Talking Crime Immigration and Dominion Society with Lawyer Nicholas Wansbutter

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