Greg Wycliffe - 🔴Lawyer Analysis of C-63🔴Does it protect Children？🔴SaveFreeSpeech.ca🔴StopBillC63

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00:06:53.880 stream i am with a very special guest nicholas wands butter he is a uh canadian lawyer from

00:07:00.440 stratford ontario a criminal lawyer and he also has a youtube channel which you can subscribe to

00:07:04.900 a lot of great informational stuff at don't talk tv and uh thanks for joining me nicholas

00:07:10.540 oh you're welcome my pleasure to be here yeah and i guess don't talk is uh from like you don't talk

00:07:16.940 to the cops is that the idea absolutely don't don't talk to the police don't talk to the state 0.97

00:07:24.020 i mean don't talk to csis for example i mean i never thought as a criminal defense lawyer i'd be

00:07:29.720 helping people out with csis but i've had to do that recently for people essentially committing 0.88

00:07:36.680 the crime of existing while white is what i call it they you know going out for a hike with a couple

00:07:41.200 other guys of similar background and now csis starts harassing them had that happen wow 0.82

00:07:46.920 Wow. Hiking while white. I think they're talking about adding a piece of legislation about that, actually. But I would love to have a kind of like a longer chat and interview with you because you've done a lot of great content and videos and I might react to some of it on the channel. But since you have limited time today, I thought we could get right into some of the stuff on Bill C63. What do you think? 1.00

00:08:10.460 Sure. Absolutely. Amazing. So as you have most likely heard, there has been a Arif Arani has split the bill into two, likely because he doesn't think the human rights criminal code amendments will stick.

00:08:30.520 And he's going to try to push through stuff. That's just this stuff is actually going to protect kids online. Right.

00:08:37.580 yeah well i mean who knows why he's doing it i would hope it's because the criminal uh code stuff

00:08:44.060 and the human rights stuff isn't going to go through i've actually talked about that a little

00:08:47.200 bit on my channel i mean there's some crazy stuff in there i'm sure people on your channel already

00:08:51.740 know all about the the pre-crime stuff like the peace bonds and the house arrest for people who

00:08:57.680 they think might commit a crime right um let's just make sure this works okay can you you can

00:09:05.540 still hear me yeah um so yeah this uh tweet was from a referani the other day months of

00:09:11.740 conservator filibustering have signaled progress on bill c63 our kids can't wait any longer

00:09:16.560 anyway so there's part a of the bill protects kids online and there's part b so today while

00:09:22.660 we have uh your expert lawyer opinion i thought we'd go over part a which a reef says all these

00:09:29.700 part a's and a 1.2 1.3 but essentially it's part one and part four of the actual black and white

00:09:36.520 legislation of bill c63 is that that that's what he said right that's pretty well accurate yeah

00:09:42.260 that that's what he's saying they're going to do now they haven't actually done it yet if i actually

00:09:47.440 have just on my other screen here the uh the um parliament website i mean they still yeah he i

00:09:56.260 mean he's right c63 is stalled it's still stalled at second reading which is probably good with some

00:10:04.460 of the concerns i've seen i mean if they've only made it from to second reading since february i

00:10:09.200 think it's probably unlikely that this would make it into law by november 2025 but yeah it looks like

00:10:16.120 as you say they're trying to they're they're splitting it hoping that they can get the some

00:10:22.780 of the other parties to agree to at least part of it and get that in right right and it's been

00:10:29.180 kind of scary spooky because some conservative freedom-minded voices have kind of softened a

00:10:35.720 little bit and said oh well he's you know he's throwing this uh you know human rights stuff and

00:10:41.840 uh amendment to the criminal code aside so i guess we can all agree on just the part that's

00:10:48.340 going to protect kids online and while i have you here today i thought we could try to answer that

00:10:52.040 question is part a uh actually is there anything in here actually that's going to protect kids

00:10:58.160 online so it's kind of an exercise in sort of instead of straw manning the argument i thought

00:11:02.520 we could steel man the argument and see if there's actually anything in here that uh does protect

00:11:08.700 kids online so uh should i just hop right into the um the let's let's start with the um

00:11:18.140 the actual description of the harms where is it here

00:11:22.360 i think i may have skipped over it yeah sorry

00:11:27.140 i don't envy you having to go through all this legislation all the time it's it's really

00:11:35.740 like it i'm not i'm not this is not my cup of tea so it's quite yeah well i mean i'll be honest

00:11:42.000 a lot of this legislation that the liberal party of canada has come out with since 2015

00:11:47.180 is not my cup of tea to go through either because the the hallmark of their legislation in my view

00:11:54.360 and just from my perspective as a lawyer maybe some lawyers would say well it's just because

00:11:58.220 you're a dumb criminal lawyer not a real lawyer um the hallmark of it is that it's vague and

00:12:06.560 word salady so even as a lawyer reading through a lot of it half the time like well i don't know

00:12:12.860 what they're saying or or what they're actually what they're actually going to do with this and i

00:12:18.260 think a lot of the same can be said here uh with when we say is this actually going to protect

00:12:24.620 children well when we get through it a little bit you'll see what they're doing is so vague and what

00:12:29.620 they're doing a lot of it is it's all well we're just putting this framework in place and then

00:12:35.480 regulations are going to give you the details which regulations don't have to pass through

00:12:41.140 parliament. So it's very undemocratic and also non-transparent because you just put through this

00:12:49.340 law and then bureaucrats, unelected bureaucrats can just add regulations behind the scenes as

00:12:55.380 they see fit. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Here's a good example. There's a lot of examples of this, 1.00

00:13:03.920 but in the purple, this is the commission's mandate is promote online safety in Canada,

00:13:09.100 contribute to the reduction of harms caused to persons in canada as a result of harmful content

00:13:13.020 online by among other things and then one of them is facilitating the participation of indigenous

00:13:18.060 peoples of canada and interested persons in the commission's activities in the purple here right

00:13:25.660 yeah and what what does that mean i i mean it's a as a law well it's not that's a law that's just

00:13:31.660 saying that's the purpose or the mandate of the commission so okay the mandate is that they

00:13:36.300 They apparently want to get individual people more involved, which, okay, that's fine.

00:13:42.880 I guess what they'd be saying there is the reason that's going to benefit dangers to youth is if they're suggesting that Indigenous youth are at more risk of getting in trouble online, so they want to get their communities more engaged.

00:14:01.520 I mean, that may or may not be the case.

00:14:04.060 I do know that it is unfortunately a sad truth that indigenous youth can tend to be a little bit more vulnerable just owing to some of the difficulties they have in a lot of the reserves, especially out west.

00:14:19.720 I'm originally from Manitoba.

00:14:21.440 I've been to some of the reserves in Manitoba and some of them are, it's really not good living conditions.

00:14:27.520 and and there are i mean you know i don't think we want to get too much into the

00:14:34.940 off topic on that you know there's a lot of factors that go into that but um sure another

00:14:40.860 example here of how open it ended it is and again this is this is my non-lawyer assessment of this

00:14:46.940 but it says and this is for the digital safety commission these unelected bureaucrats this is

00:14:51.340 this section of the bill requirements when making regulations and issuing guidelines codes of conduct

00:14:56.820 and other documents, the commission must take into account freedom of expression, equality rights,

00:15:02.080 privacy rights, the needs and perspectives of the indigenous people of Canada, and any other factor

00:15:08.520 that the commission considers relevant. For example, what if the factor is the rise of racism

00:15:15.080 or the rise of anti-Semitism? So the commission must consider relevant factors like being

00:15:21.060 consciously anti-racism. Yeah, absolutely. You've nailed it right there. And that's, you know,

00:15:25.640 it's they have to consider they get to tell themselves what they consider relevant so it

00:15:31.980 kind of it takes away any sort of oversight because they end up being the ones who get to

00:15:36.800 decide what's important but the way that's worded there and you know putting that in there gives them

00:15:42.600 a nice out to really do whatever they want because even though it has some nice terminology there at

00:15:48.440 the beginning about having to take into account freedom of expression and equality rights they

00:15:54.660 can use sub e to just say well you know the rise of hate for example that's more important or more

00:16:03.140 pressing than the freedom of expression so although we've considered freedom of expression because

00:16:08.660 we're we have to take that into account we're taking these other factors such as the ones that

00:16:14.100 you've just listed as a couple of the favorite buzzwords that they like to use they can then

00:16:18.340 use this to say well see we we've used we've done a to e but we've determined that e

00:16:24.640 has some more pressing concerns for us or or i mean also the equality rights

00:16:30.740 because unfortunately i think we if anyone who's read animal farm you know there's the the phrase

00:16:37.480 all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others i mean that's a phrase

00:16:43.360 tailor-made for Canada in 2024 because you see it quality you know some people in Canada are more

00:16:51.560 equal than others I think that's undeniable I mean I'd be called you know a lot of people

00:16:57.040 probably say oh that's racist to say that I mean it's racist it's just that that is a fact now I

00:17:01.900 think the argument is is that right or not you know don't tell me that I'm a racist for noticing

00:17:06.140 this tell me you know just justify to me is that a good thing that some people have have different

00:17:11.860 rights than others which they can't so that's why they resort to pejoratives like that yeah and you

00:17:19.880 know i highlighted other stuff like this this is under chairperson and vice chairperson the

00:17:23.980 chairperson may make rules respecting the commission's procedures and practices yeah well

00:17:29.420 yeah just leave that up here because i think that's important notice we're on section 20 here

00:17:33.280 where it's talking about you know what the chairperson may do or the chairperson's powers

00:17:38.160 duties and functions but you know we're at we're at section 20 which for a law that's really short

00:17:44.400 which i can tell you like there's nothing in the preceding 19 sections that actually tells us

00:17:49.120 anything like this is the first time we're hearing about what powers the commission has it talks

00:17:53.760 about things that they need to uh what their purposes are what their mandate is it talks

00:17:58.000 about the composition so sections 12 to 17 is talking about who's in the commission um and then

00:18:06.160 we get and then you start getting into the chairperson vice chairperson this is where we

00:18:10.080 get into this this vagueness where you know they make rules regarding the procedures so there's no

00:18:18.800 nothing in this law saying what the procedures and practices are that they'll just be made up

00:18:24.400 by the commissioner after this thing is established uh i mean they have to make the

00:18:29.200 rules publicly available that's good uh and then section 21 you have there the chairperson may

00:18:35.120 authorize one or more members to exercise any of the commission's powers so again it's not

00:18:41.780 delineating you know who does what it's just vesting it all in the chairperson and again

00:18:50.400 it's just let since the law up to this point has told us almost nothing about this commission

00:18:56.180 just what their mandate is who's going to be in it or like who's um it just says that it's three

00:19:03.720 to five full-time members appointed by the governor and council i.e the prime minister i

00:19:08.500 mean the the governor and council technically that's the the governor general but it's one

00:19:14.560 of the problems with canada is you have the legislative and executive branch are really

00:19:20.180 combined into one just through a historical anomaly of how our government has developed

00:19:26.060 since it's a constitutional monarchy but the monarch has abdicated all responsibility and

00:19:31.780 authority so therefore you have all the power in the prime minister yeah and one of the sorry

00:19:39.660 were you going to say something else no go ahead um uh i was watching a referani talk to some youth

00:19:48.220 uh in his writing about bill c63 and he addressed one of the concerns of like oh is it going to is

00:19:54.540 the digital safety commission going to be biased no i'll tell you why it won't be biased because

00:19:58.700 none of the people are going to be me or justin trudeau and it's like well it's going to be your

00:20:04.800 friends though or people that you appoint which is the whole concern yeah it will be people they

00:20:11.180 appoint because they say when it says appointed by the governor and council what that means

00:20:14.580 is the prime minister puts the list of people gives it to the governor general saying here's

00:20:20.780 my quote-unquote recommendation unquote your excellency and then the governor general just

00:20:26.780 rubber stamps it because again the way things have developed historically in our country it's

00:20:32.360 considered anathema for the governor general to actually exercise the power that on paper they

00:20:37.640 have i know i mean i'm not going to get into the whole debate of whether democracy is good or not

00:20:44.720 even if you assume democracy is the best thing since sliced bread it would still be better if

00:20:49.860 even the unelected governor general exercised some authority because then there'd be at least

00:20:54.180 somewhat of a check on the power of the prime minister rather than the prime minister being

00:20:58.740 able to draft the laws and then do these uh these uh appointments because if we had a republic

00:21:05.060 like the united states the president would be fulfilling the role or holding the position that

00:21:11.220 our governor general does so then you'd have actually a different person potentially someone

00:21:16.000 from a different party who is then deciding who these people will be yeah yeah well let's get into

00:21:24.660 the actual harms i've gone over this a bunch of times but you know you you are a lawyer you've

00:21:30.560 practiced law so um these this is the harmful content that the digital safety commission uh

00:21:38.420 wants to remove from the internet and i highlighted the top two um and i guess i should maybe highlight

00:21:45.980 this one too um i guess my question is are these things already uh illegal a intimate content

00:21:55.380 communicated without consent let's go one at a time yeah they are i mean that sub a is already

00:22:01.680 illegal under the criminal code of canada so part of the question is why do they even need this

00:22:07.020 commission when you should have the various police agencies already accepting complaints

00:22:13.920 are looking into these things uh content that sexually victimizes a child or re-victimizes a

00:22:20.140 survivor well i don't know what they mean by re-victimizes a survivor because if they mean

00:22:24.940 by re-victimize that doesn't that doesn't exist in the criminal code and i'm not sure what they

00:22:31.280 mean by by victimizing uh content that sexually victimizes a child assuming that by victimize

00:22:39.500 they mean uh similar things like the criminal i don't have the the code numbers off the top of my

00:22:44.740 head but uh they have there are offenses under the criminal code such as making sexually explicit

00:22:50.960 material available to a minor that that could be victimizing a child but that you know it's

00:22:56.260 more specific in the criminal code that making content available to a minor is a crime uh things

00:23:02.340 like uh an invitation to sexual touching like in if someone's or inviting children to engage in

00:23:10.460 certain sexual acts like you know you hear about these things where people they'll get into these

00:23:14.580 chat rooms or various things and with children and get them to to turn on their video and do

00:23:21.080 things that if that's what they mean by victimizes then that is already a crime under the criminal

00:23:28.560 codes. There's a whole host of things under the criminal code that would cover off sections A and

00:23:33.780 B, and also section F, really. I mean, there's section F content that incites violence. I mean,

00:23:43.260 Canada has the hate crime laws that I've talked about a lot on my channel that I think are

00:23:49.740 really thought crime laws. They say that it's, yeah, inciting violence or hatred towards

00:23:57.900 individuals there's also things like inciting violence like inciting a breach of the peace

00:24:03.060 or inciting a riot essentially that would be inciting violence that's already a crime so i'm

00:24:10.640 not sure you know they're acting as if these things aren't already crimes and if they're not

00:24:16.560 already being forced but i guess it's the same as their firearms laws right they say oh well

00:24:20.520 you know people are getting killed so you know as if murder isn't already illegal we have to now

00:24:26.420 make firearms illegal because you know that that will stop the criminals from using firearms we'll

00:24:32.980 take all the firearms away from the lawful owners and that'll stop this um similar it's it seems

00:24:39.520 like the way they're headed here could be something like well we're going to greatly restrict the

00:24:46.580 liberty that people have to go on the internet uh in order to stop these crimes because right now

00:24:52.500 and the internet has been for decades kind of the wild west relatively speaking right it's been

00:24:58.340 completely unregulated um and then that and that's why the internet's a place where you can get

00:25:04.340 access to i mean there's bad things you can get access to but there's so much good stuff you can

00:25:09.060 get access to that before the internet you would have i mean even a channel like this you wouldn't

00:25:13.940 be able to get the type of content that you put out uh back before the internet right because then

00:25:18.980 it was all like i you know i've seen some of your uh your videos that you've done the kind of the

00:25:23.540 funnier ones where you're pretending to be different members of the government or things

00:25:28.020 that that would never see the light of day before the internet because it would the only way you

00:25:32.840 could get it out would be if some like cbc somehow agreed to to put that on the television which

00:25:40.740 obviously it wouldn't whereas with the lack of regulation without something the crtc which i

00:25:46.180 think that's what's coming after this this is really a most likely a stepping stone to eventually

00:25:51.340 trying to regulate the internet the way television is is regulated where you need the crtc to sign

00:25:56.880 off on your on your channel right um do you know much about uh this bill c11 the online streaming

00:26:04.520 act in that regard because it or or even uh the online news act because a lot of people kind of

00:26:10.520 made that same analogy of like we can't just have all this unregulated content on the internet and

00:26:16.160 kind of implying that the CRTC needs to step in and regulate everything that people are posting

00:26:23.380 on the internet yeah I and I I think that is uh not uh I think that's a fair concern for people

00:26:33.260 to have uh I haven't looked at at c11 uh recently but I know I did look at it when I was looking at

00:26:40.980 that that's that's the concern the concern i've had and the problem with that one is i'm like c63

00:26:47.160 i mean that one's made it all the way through uh i mean a while ago back in 2023 it made it all

00:26:54.520 all the way through the uh through the senate and the house of commons yeah and and part of

00:27:00.400 the reason i started safefreespeech.ca is i noticed with these with these bills regarding

00:27:06.740 the canadian internet it was tabled it was going on for a while and then always 10 business days

00:27:14.360 before it goes into law that's when that's when the conservatives that's when the opposition

00:27:19.120 starts to talk about it when it's just way too late to actually uh you know raise the awareness

00:27:23.780 among the public with with one of the most you know the internet is like one of the most crucial

00:27:28.480 things now for uh for uh you know civilized society especially for one that believes in

00:27:34.460 free speech and free discourse because a lot of it happens online now um so let's uh we covered

00:27:41.520 the online harms thing i do want to go back to one thing you said though which is uh because i think

00:27:47.020 you you kind of bring up a a good point or um it's a phenomenon that really i think is a huge

00:27:54.680 red flag you were saying sexually victimizes a child or revict like what does that mean

00:28:00.380 does that mean a chat room does that mean uh you know a service that provides illicit

00:28:06.860 you know illegal material and it's a red flag to me because they say that they want to protect

00:28:14.200 kids online and why aren't they more specific why can't they go into like this is a chat room

00:28:21.500 this is the rules here this is the chat room there or whatever it might be it seems to be

00:28:26.320 done so cynically and so kind of top down and just sort of like listen let's just give the power to

00:28:31.800 the digital safety commission we'll make up the rules as we go it's uh very cynically done well

00:28:38.020 i mean that's certainly a possibility i suppose the flip side is they'd say well we need to give

00:28:42.760 the commission the flexibility to deal with how quickly the internet evolves which would not be

00:28:48.840 totally unfair but i think i would say that if they're really serious about this why are they

00:28:56.860 creating new laws and a new commission why not just give more resources to the rcmp or a mandate

00:29:02.460 to the rcmp tell them to start cracking down on this stuff and investigating it a lot more because

00:29:09.640 as i said they already have in place what they need to stop the things that they've listed as

00:29:15.020 being harmful content it's a matter of resources and priorities yeah no absolutely absolutely

00:29:23.500 um and i think a good thing to bring up here is porn hub has been caught um enabling human

00:29:34.980 trafficking and also providing all sorts of inappropriate material and they are headquartered

00:29:40.660 in montreal canada um i sent you a link before our chat i'm wondering if you had a chance to

00:29:48.020 to like look into it um because there's you know more or less the owner of porn hub

00:29:54.820 headquartered in montreal sort of has an existing relationship with the canadian government

00:30:00.020 and they've been investigated before um do you not do you know much about this investigation

00:30:07.540 i i don't know much about it uh it's something that i i should probably look into more because

00:30:14.500 uh i did have a look at what you sent me and yeah it was interesting but it's also frustrating to

00:30:20.020 read okay they did all these investigations so where are the court cases where are the arrests

00:30:26.660 and the charges and so again that goes back to my comment of look if they're serious if they

00:30:31.780 actually want to protect kids they've got the tools why don't they go after these people i mean

00:30:36.180 mean i mean i don't know why they're not going after these people and people you know i guess

00:30:42.020 that's a question a lot of people be able to have to think about for themselves of you know why

00:30:46.860 wouldn't the government go hard after the things like porno i mean they're well within canada's

00:30:51.140 jurisdiction you can't claim oh well they're hiding in switzerland or in the care some caribbean

00:30:56.360 island or something they're they're in canada and uh you know i keep coming back to certain things

00:31:03.160 like now granted uh vice uh the you know the left of center i suppose they call themselves media

00:31:10.400 group they did a lot of the legwork for the rcmp but you know they still did expended incredible

00:31:15.520 resources to track down the identity of this this guy um i forget his real name a dark foreigner

00:31:22.480 it was his screen name you know who he made some pictures for this neo-nazi group which okay i'm

00:31:28.620 not saying it's good to be making uh content for a group like that but he made some pictures for

00:31:34.360 them and you're gonna hunt to the ends of the earth and expend millions of dollars of taxpayers

00:31:39.000 money and how many hours of rcmp officers time to hunt down a meme maker when you've got people

00:31:44.080 like pornhub doing this stuff or you've got people actually victimizing people that they choose not

00:31:50.020 to go after interesting so you're saying they definitely like our our law enforcement definitely

00:31:56.380 has the means to target and go after people when they find content online they don't like

00:32:02.940 yes yeah now i mean now that was one guy and there's all kinds of other people making stuff

00:32:09.300 for different all kinds of different groups they chose to after that kind as i said vice did do a

00:32:14.080 lot of the legwork for them but that shows they have the ability it would so again rather than

00:32:19.040 creating some new commission with a bunch of commissioners who are probably gonna be pulling

00:32:22.560 in 200 250 000 a year salaries put that money into uh into rcmp's cyber crime units or local

00:32:32.300 police forces to to look into this stuff yeah i mean i i think in a different world i could

00:32:37.340 totally be on board with the online harms act if it had stuff about we're gonna hunt down the

00:32:42.340 pedophiles we're gonna hunt down the child pornographers you know you got alex jones

00:32:47.560 talking about it at the podium i'd be i'd be right there i'd be like yeah let's pass this now let's

00:32:52.060 let's hunt him down let's get him um but once again it just seems to be very cynically the

00:32:58.060 the fact that they even just lump all this stuff together with content used to bully a child

00:33:03.140 content yeah well and i think f and g that's the key right there content that incites violence and

00:33:09.520 content that incites violent extremism or terrorism uh because that's what i see them

00:33:16.380 focusing on that's what the police seem to be focusing on in terms of people getting charged

00:33:23.100 for things i mean as again like why am i as a defense lawyer getting calls from people saying

00:33:28.520 like hey this cesus agent keeps calling me wanting to talk to me about this hike i went on with my

00:33:33.500 buddies and then i have to call them to say hey like look my client's not going to talk to you

00:33:38.800 please leave him alone i mean what like why are they even looking into that that you know and

00:33:46.000 i think it goes back to the whole you know why did um why was it okay i mean really okay because

00:33:53.880 people didn't get charged i didn't see riot police or or horse police going in to deal with all those

00:33:59.000 jews for palestine who occupied the actually went inside and occupied the parliament building

00:34:04.060 recently and were blocking the prime minister's uh motorcade and that you know they just backed

00:34:09.680 out like the rcmp guarding the prime minister backed out of that so that they don't send it

00:34:15.600 don't put down with violence but the freedom convoy which was a bunch like i mean i was there 0.71

00:34:21.600 i don't know if you were you were there uh you know i was there assholes a dance party at the 0.53

00:34:27.640 corner of uh uh what was the corner of essex and uh wellington or you know you know that's what

00:34:35.660 they send in the riot police for but not people who are actually occupying the parliament so

00:34:40.260 you know i think you have to take these laws any laws only as good as how it's enforced right

00:34:45.560 So on paper, there's things that are certainly not objectionable, as you said, if they're using this as, hey, we're going to really go after the child pornographers and we're in the human traffickers and we're really going to drop the hammer on them.

00:34:56.820 Yeah, sign me up. But when I see on the ground who they're actually going after and who do we hear them always talking about when they're talking about violent extremism in the media?

00:35:08.220 Do you hear them talking about, oh, we're really concerned that there's an increase in jihadism or things like that?

00:35:15.420 Or do we hear them always talking about, oh, we're concerned about these, you know, white nationalists, extremists and what have you?

00:35:22.760 That seems what they're always talking about.

00:35:25.420 And I don't see a lot of evidence that that's actually a problem in Canada.

00:35:28.680 Unless you take, you know, a definition of white nationalism that's so broad is to encompass anyone who just doesn't hate Canada's entire heritage and culture.

00:35:37.660 and history.

00:35:39.240 Mm-hmm.

00:35:39.960 Yeah.

00:35:42.400 So I wanted to ask about

00:35:44.800 the sort of takedown stuff

00:35:46.960 because I was reading it last night.

00:35:50.500 It says,

00:35:51.200 do we need to make certain content inaccessible?

00:35:54.680 And does this apply to all of the harmful content

00:35:59.240 or is it just the content

00:36:02.080 that's actually victimized as a child

00:36:03.500 or re-victimized as a survivor

00:36:04.980 or the revenge porn stuff?

00:36:07.660 yeah so yeah the way this is worded is it's it's specifying in this section that's

00:36:13.660 that it's content that sexually victimizes a child or re-victimizes a survivor uh so

00:36:20.380 this particular section doesn't leave it open to to use anything else it's it's zeroing right in

00:36:27.740 in that first subsection that that's the only content that this particular section applies to

00:36:32.860 okay um and so yeah they have to make the content admissible to persons in canada which yeah i would

00:36:39.820 i would hope they would it should i mean you know the sad part is it shouldn't take a lot for

00:36:45.100 internet for content providers to take that down and make it inaccessible to people but uh you know

00:36:52.220 i mean i guess that's the doubt the dark side of the uh internet being the wild west and well it's

00:36:59.180 all they want is money or notoriety and they don't care so they're just gonna let anything go

00:37:03.860 and what's what i feel silly silly kind of silly about it like obviously that content shouldn't

00:37:09.280 shouldn't be uh online if it's you know child porn but uh the the bill is like yeah we're gonna take

00:37:16.760 it down in canada and accessible in canada so it's like okay so if i had a vpn i could still

00:37:22.620 get it in canada could i not like you know it's it's so it's still it's still accessible globally

00:37:27.480 you know uh well potentially although i mean in fairness the canadian government doesn't have the

00:37:31.780 ability to legislate anything outside its own borders so that yeah i mean the vpn is is a way

00:37:39.780 around that but in fairness the government they only have the ability to order people and that's

00:37:46.480 that's totally fine i just feel like all the legislation i've seen about the internet from

00:37:53.140 this liberal government fundamentally doesn't really get how the internet works you know what

00:37:58.520 i mean like it's kind of it's all just kind of done cynically as like yeah we'll well we'll stop

00:38:03.020 people in canada from being able to access to it but uh i guess the perfect example too of how

00:38:08.100 naive it feels is they're like we're gonna create we want you to create tools to block users

00:38:15.600 and it's like that already exists on pretty well most big tech platforms we want to have

00:38:23.320 tools where you can flag harmful content and it's like i'm pretty sure that's something that

00:38:29.660 already exists yeah i think it does it does already exist so yeah some of it does feel like

00:38:36.200 this is making legislation just so they can say we're doing something yeah and again i i just

00:38:44.960 keeps coming back to like well look if you really want to do something the criminal code stuff is

00:38:49.300 already there get the get the police involved but i think the problem is or or the again speaking of

00:38:57.080 cynicism you know it's a lot cheaper and easier to pass a piece of legislation and then be able

00:39:01.300 to go on tv and say hey look we've taken these steps it's a lot harder to actually put that 0.51

00:39:06.720 funding in place especially when we're doing stuff like funding refugee claimants to the tune of over

00:39:14.140 $80,000 a year to stay in a hotel 365 days a year and have $85 worth of room service per person

00:39:21.980 per day. And they're not willing to say, hey, you know what? Maybe, I mean, it just shows where

00:39:29.620 their priorities really are, right? Like they'll talk in front of the TV that our priorities are

00:39:33.400 stopping the harm to children. I would say if your priorities are really there, then literally put

00:39:38.220 your money where your mouth is. Say, you know what? We actually don't have these millions of

00:39:42.720 for refugee claimants. 1.00

00:39:44.080 I mean, we're sorry that you come from a terrible country 1.00

00:39:47.120 and that things are really bad there and you're in danger,

00:39:49.920 but we just don't have the money to pay for your room and board.

00:39:56.100 We don't have the money to pay for anyone else's room and board,

00:39:58.160 like our own citizens who've paid taxes and lived here their whole lives.

00:40:01.600 They don't get that.

00:40:02.400 So we really can't justify, as bad as we feel for you

00:40:05.780 and for your situation, we can't justify we need that money

00:40:09.140 to stop children being horribly victimized and trafficked online.

00:40:15.600 I mean, that's just one example.

00:40:17.000 I mean, there's all kinds of things that they spend insane amounts of money on

00:40:21.140 that I think, but those are the real priorities.

00:40:25.780 Look at where the money is.

00:40:26.900 The money is going into things like paying all these obscene amounts of money

00:40:31.940 for refugees to have a hotel and free food, 0.95

00:40:34.900 paying obscene amounts of money for pushing all this LGBT stuff and the, you know, the 0.94

00:40:41.020 library readings and all that kind of stuff. I mean, these people wouldn't be able to do that

00:40:45.860 if they didn't have government money propping them up. We could list all kinds of things. But

00:40:51.540 at the end of the day, follow the money. That's where the parties really are. And this stuff feels

00:40:56.600 a bit like window dressing if they're not backing it up with the money. And as I said, that's all

00:41:01.880 they need to do they don't really have to pass new laws they could just give the funding and the

00:41:07.220 the resources to law enforcement and tell law enforcement this is what we want you to prioritize

00:41:13.540 maybe don't focus so much on the the the guys going for hikes or you know like active clubs

00:41:20.500 is a big thing that they're really focusing on lately um i don't know if you know if you've

00:41:26.660 heard of those there from what i've been told it again it's like guys it's like men usually

00:41:33.860 white men like european heritage getting together to i guess they practice martial arts they go for

00:41:41.560 hikes they do stuff like maybe say like you know what we're not actually so scared about those

00:41:46.460 people overthrowing the government because there's barely any of them and all they're really doing is

00:41:50.060 just hang out together for a bit once a week let's focus on on the the predators online

00:41:57.400 yeah yeah so speaking of money um they want to hand out very big fines to big tech operators

00:42:08.620 um have you have you looked into this section of the bill well i've had a look at it so i here's

00:42:16.540 the thing to keep in mind about these. So these are a fine of not more than 8% of the operator's

00:42:24.360 gross revenue. So what they're saying is this is the maximum that they could fine any of these

00:42:28.800 individuals. So the principle when it comes to sentencing under any criminal code or any other

00:42:35.700 statute is the maximum is reserved for the worst offender in the worst set of circumstances.

00:42:43.600 so for in a criminal perspective the worst offender would be someone who has a terrible record they've

00:42:50.620 done this you know dozens of times that you know they're before the court it is the fifth time

00:42:58.120 they're getting brought up on the same charges or the 10th time or the 20th time uh you know they

00:43:03.380 have just nothing sympathetic about them they've never done anything to try and fix themselves

00:43:08.120 they have absolutely no remorse you know you get the idea and then the worst set of circumstances

00:43:13.720 would be you know the worst possible iteration of that crime so uh you know if um

00:43:22.200 you know say for example just picking a random crime off the top of my head a crime like uh

00:43:29.080 fleeing from police if the police are trying to play over you flee from them so the the worst

00:43:34.040 offender would be someone who's done this multiple times before they have a terrible driving record

00:43:37.960 that they didn't even have a license at the time and then the worst circumstance would be well not

00:43:42.180 only did they flee from police it was extreme high speed they drove over a child while they

00:43:47.200 were fleeing from the police and you know and they end up like destroying a bunch of property and all

00:43:52.100 that and then when they're finally caught they had a shootout with the police so that you know

00:43:56.020 that's like the worst possible set of circumstance you could think of so that's where you're going

00:44:00.980 to finally get the maximum and the maximums are almost never handed out they're very rarely

00:44:07.140 handed down the absolute maximum so yeah that stuff sounds like a really heavy hit but

00:44:12.520 uh the only um operator you to use their term that would be getting eight percent of their

00:44:20.440 gross global revenue or 25 million dollars the the only ones who'd be getting that are ones who

00:44:26.360 are like serial offenders for not following up with this stuff and uh and it's a really bad set

00:44:33.380 circumstances but also again it goes back to okay yeah this is the law but are they going to back up

00:44:40.820 this law with action are they actually going to go after these operators or you know are they

00:44:46.600 actually going to investigate and prosecute these people right so well what i'm curious about is

00:44:53.120 what triggers an event like this and there's different you know there's different um you know

00:44:58.580 anyone who commits an offense under subsection one is liable of this you know every operator

00:45:04.800 that commits an offense under subsection one is liable of this like there's there's different

00:45:08.740 penalties for different things and i'm trying to kind of parse it out here um right well that one

00:45:14.200 refers back to um like it says every operator commits an offense that contravenes an order of

00:45:20.800 the commission what does that yeah what does contra what does that mean well i imagine it

00:45:26.220 be something comparable to a court order so you know if the commission i know that for example

00:45:32.140 the section 91 sub 1 is referenced in there as well and that's the one where the they can an

00:45:37.420 inspector can for verifying compliance or preventing non-compliance of that may enter any place that

00:45:44.460 they have reasonable grounds to believe that there's a document so disobeying an order of

00:45:49.420 the commission would be if you don't let their inspector into your facility to have a look at

00:45:53.180 your servers or what i mean i guess it would maybe it wouldn't be physically entering their facility

00:45:57.980 might be uh remotely accessing it so that that would be one example or if the commission said

00:46:06.060 hey you need to shut down this portion of your site you need to stop you know letting some of

00:46:12.780 this content be available so someone who i could see someone who i could see actually getting

00:46:21.340 prosecuted under this would be something like uh uh was it gab which is the like the really you

00:46:28.700 know where they publicize themselves as the no holds barred free speech version of uh of twitter

00:46:35.340 i can see them going after gab by saying well hey you've got this quote-unquote anti-semitic or

00:46:42.460 quote-unquote hateful content on your site you need to shut that down otherwise we're gonna

00:46:47.900 fine you and then if he doesn't take it down then they'll get hit with the fines i i feel like again

00:46:56.620 i don't have a crystal ball but just looking at past conduct and looking at the sorts of things

00:47:01.500 that seem to be getting prosecuted i feel like it's things like gab that they're really gunning

00:47:08.620 for not things like porn hub because have you heard of anyone from porn hub getting arrested

00:47:13.820 Whereas the owner of Gab and the owner of Telegram just got arrested not too long ago.

00:47:19.640 Now that wasn't Canada, but, you know, same, you know, it was another NATO country, another G7 country, you know, they're all kind of similar mindset.

00:47:29.260 Right. So when my concern and, and, you know, let me know if this is hyperbolic Canadian government, what would then, what would then happen to Facebook?

00:47:40.240 Would they not get knocked on the door by the Digital Safety Commission?

00:47:44.440 And it's like, if you don't take this content down, we're going to fine you?

00:47:47.060 Like, is that what it looks like?

00:47:48.560 Yeah, that seems to be what this is.

00:47:51.140 Yeah, I think that's accurate.

00:47:53.120 And it seems that they could use this as a way to force things like Facebook and X,

00:48:02.480 formerly Twitter and whatnot, Telegram, Gab,

00:48:06.120 to force them to enforce the canadian government's view of things especially again like we look at

00:48:12.920 what is considered hate and you know you you can see these cases and especially look at the cases

00:48:20.360 where people really get hit hard right like 400 churches 400 christian churches have burnt down

00:48:27.960 and not a single arrest has been made but if you you know like but then that that lady who uh ran

00:48:37.400 the coffee shop at the jewish hospital montreal during the big pro-gaza protest there she threw a

00:48:44.520 nazi salute up and you know now you know they're having a complete meltdown over that i don't know

00:48:49.800 if that one was actually arrested or not but i haven't followed up on that one but but you can

00:48:54.600 see like that's you know when churches burn down the prime minister says well it's understandable

00:49:01.720 why people would be upset and would do that but when someone you know does a jet hand gesture

00:49:07.880 in the midst of a protest well that's totally reprehensible and we need to um we need to come

00:49:14.680 down on that so i i don't think you're being i don't think you're being hyperbolic i think that

00:49:19.960 the ingredients for that are in there and it's under the auspices of we want to stop

00:49:25.120 child pornography, which would be fantastic. I would love to see them actually doing that and

00:49:29.860 handing out orders to these big tech companies saying like, you need to take that stuff down

00:49:34.040 or, you know, we're hammering you with millions of dollars of fines. But

00:49:38.000 will that occur? I guess we'll just have to, we'll have to see if this even makes it into law

00:49:45.520 before right i mean we're we're now less than a year away from the next election maybe even sooner

00:49:51.760 but i you know just seeing the way things have gone i i suspect that uh the uh ndp will continue

00:50:01.000 to come up with excuses of why they need to prop the government up but at least we know

00:50:05.540 it won't be any longer than november of next year i mean well i say at least for whatever that's

00:50:10.340 forth i went on a big rant on my my own uh live stream last week about why i don't i don't think

00:50:16.780 the conservative party of canada is going to be any big saviors and really change a whole lot but

00:50:23.080 they they might they probably won't resurrect this bill right i mean well they have their own version

00:50:28.740 of uh wanting to have stop online harassment they have their own version of wanting to police the

00:50:34.680 internet but um i know and just let just before me interject there you know keep in mind that the

00:50:42.060 conservative party of canada they voted unanimously along with the rest of the parliament in favor of

00:50:47.200 the um conversion therapy bill which is so broadly worded that you could technically be charged with

00:50:56.000 conversion therapy for having a private conversation with your child who's struggling

00:51:01.100 with their sexual identity and, you know, having a faith-based conversation with them.

00:51:06.680 Or I think if someone ratted out their priest of, hey, he gave me this advice in the confessional

00:51:11.200 that they could run afoul of that.

00:51:13.420 And the Conservative Party of Canada voted unanimously in favor of that, along with everyone

00:51:17.760 else in parliament. 0.88

00:51:18.280 And the Conservatives also, by way of private members' bill, brought us the Holocaust, it's

00:51:25.040 not even a denial bill.

00:51:26.100 I mean, it is a crime under that law to deny the Holocaust, but it's also a crime to downplay

00:51:30.600 it in any way and then it's so broadly worded that i don't even know what that means because

00:51:34.780 like does that mean you're a criminal if you question even one story that someone said like

00:51:41.180 for example i'm not saying i deny this or not because i don't want to go to jail but uh but

00:51:47.080 you know for example the you know people being made into soap or human lampshades i mean that's

00:51:53.000 been debunked by mainstream historians but not it happened not don't can't question it like i don't

00:51:59.040 know did that happen like are you allowed to wonder whether that happened or not it's so unclear in

00:52:03.260 that law um whether you can or not so i can't question it there's electricity on the floors

00:52:10.260 wooden doors it's all real but i wanted to ask about um because i know we have to go soon

00:52:15.480 when it comes to bill c63 like there's already evidence that this liberal government sucks at

00:52:22.240 writing legislation and it hurts the canadian internet the best example is the online news act

00:52:28.500 to which now we cannot access news on certain social media platforms.

00:52:32.360 And in my estimation, this is big tech calling the bluff of Ottawa bureaucrats

00:52:39.200 and saying like, yeah, actually your bill sucks

00:52:42.300 and we're not going to expose ourselves to this financial leeching from this government.

00:52:48.680 We're only a 40 million population.

00:52:51.240 And I guess my suspicion is,

00:52:54.520 and kind of like what I might use to try to popularize how outrageous this bill is,

00:52:58.500 is could this bill not um expose big tech platforms to a disproportionate amount of

00:53:06.920 financial risk by operating in canada well in theory it could but again it comes down to

00:53:16.720 how i mean how are they going to apply this but you're right i mean big tech could do the same

00:53:21.520 thing they did with the new stuff and say you know what we're just not taking the risk because

00:53:25.540 the way you've written this law it's not clear to us what you're saying is not allowed so we're

00:53:31.780 just going to block users from canada from using our platform that's possible i don't know if

00:53:36.360 they'll actually do that or not but that that's the problem with legislation that is not very

00:53:43.380 precisely worded because then people don't know what's illegal and they might just decide i don't

00:53:49.640 want to take the risk of yeah getting a bunch of fines and so we're just gonna yeah because i mean

00:53:57.220 you do the math and sure these are like maximum charges but you know let's let's say it's uh 0.69

00:54:03.820 there's a slew of penalties that one pink tech platform gets uh throughout the year you know 0.91

00:54:10.880 like the potential liabilities even out in a conservative estimate could be like hundreds

00:54:15.360 of millions of dollars of liability unless you do what the canadian government wants and you might

00:54:21.620 say oh well or the the ottawa bureaucrat would say no but we're going to work with the big tech

00:54:26.860 platforms well from the big tech platform standpoint they're like so you want us to spend a bunch of

00:54:30.880 resources talking to your bureaucrats to make sure that your version of what is harmful is uh is okay

00:54:37.280 specifically in canada like that's going to cost us a bunch of money and resources to apply to the

00:54:43.280 canadian internet you guys are one-fifth of brazil one-fifth of indonesia you know you're half of a

00:54:49.540 germany you're you're only one california like you know what i think it's actually going to be

00:54:53.780 easier for us and more profitable for us to just shut down facebook and meta uh completely in

00:54:59.800 canada sayonara is that is that a possibility it's a possibility i i mean i can't say how likely that

00:55:08.480 is because that all comes down to their internal calculus but i think we can say it is a possibility

00:55:13.520 just because we've seen how oh oh you cut out are you there whoops i can't hear you is that me

00:55:23.840 no i think that's on your end what happened there we can't we can't hear you something cut out

00:55:32.400 uh oh

00:55:34.860 uh

00:55:37.180 CSIS is messing with your soundboard I guess

00:55:39.540 I uh

00:55:43.580 no I can't I can't I can't hear you

00:55:45.680 hello hello

00:55:47.140 well hopefully uh

00:55:51.540 hopefully we'll get Nicholas's mic

00:55:53.520 back working again

00:55:54.540 um let's go into the

00:55:57.600 chat for a second

00:55:58.480 uh

00:55:59.820 What are you guys talking about in here?

00:56:05.780 Lampshade deniers straight to jail, says NGDTV.

00:56:10.360 Yeah.

00:56:13.260 Yeah.

00:56:14.720 Thanks, conservative party, for tabling that bill.

00:56:18.340 Thanks for the liberal party for putting it into their...

00:56:21.820 They got it through in the budget, the Holocaust denial bill. 0.69

00:56:26.560 but um yeah any luck over there nicholas no um i could try getting you to

00:56:36.040 if i don't know what mic you have but sometimes unplugging it then replugging

00:56:40.460 it in can work i don't know if it's a usb microphone or what

00:56:43.500 um hmm shoot this is too bad um

00:56:53.440 give him a few more minutes here

00:56:57.520 hello

00:57:00.640 nah it's it's doesn't seem to be working uh do you have to go anyway should should we yeah call

00:57:08.400 it a wrap okay thank you so much uh nicholas for coming on the show sorry sorry that we can't hear

00:57:13.160 you right now there there you go government taking away our speech shutting down our microphones

00:57:17.860 really appreciate your work

00:57:20.260 everybody go subscribe to his channel right now

00:57:22.640 don't talk TV

00:57:24.020 it's actually in the mods

00:57:26.280 put it in chat but it also should be in the description

00:57:28.260 thanks again for joining

00:57:30.360 us and maybe we'll talk soon

00:57:32.420 I would love to have another sit down with you

00:57:34.160 because you really know your stuff when it comes to

00:57:36.260 Canadian law so thanks

00:57:38.080 thanks so much for joining us

00:57:39.400 thank you have a good one

00:57:42.260 oh man that's too bad his mic cut out

00:57:45.980 but that was great that was a lot of good fun

00:57:47.820 um it's gonna nuke the canadian internet we need to get rid of bill c63 i i don't know i think i

00:57:55.880 like i think that's uh i think i want to drive that point home i think i think i want to try

00:58:00.240 to get the attention of elon musk with that one and say hey talk about this bill elon if you don't

00:58:05.920 talk about this bill there's going to be canadian bureaucrats in your inbox asking for millions of

00:58:10.980 of your money because

00:58:13.160 somebody posted a

00:58:14.940 meme

00:58:16.060 that's mean to

00:58:18.860 that's mean to

00:58:23.100 Indian immigrants.

00:58:27.400 You know? But 0.94

00:58:28.760 yeah, I think we're going to hang out for a little

00:58:31.220 bit longer here. Maybe we'll actually

00:58:33.340 go react to one of

00:58:34.480 maybe we'll go

00:58:37.400 react to

00:58:39.460 one of Wandsbutter's

00:58:42.080 videos.

00:58:46.420 Because, um...

00:58:48.700 Yeah, I wish I had more time

00:58:50.660 to chat with him.

00:58:53.340 Just give me a second here.

00:58:55.480 Doot, doot, doot.

00:58:57.960 Alright.

00:59:00.700 Don't talk TV.

00:59:02.680 This is him.

00:59:05.100 Videos.

00:59:07.080 I think

00:59:08.240 it's one of the first episodes

00:59:10.520 he said is all about

00:59:11.620 the hate speech laws

00:59:12.860 71

00:59:17.060 is it this one?

00:59:27.820 don't talk TV

00:59:28.660 I thought he said it's episode 6

00:59:38.240 hmm I thought this was the one about hate crimes or gonna be this one 16

00:59:46.460 maybe it's this one yeah I think we might give this a watch

00:59:54.800 section 2b of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the freedom of okay

00:59:59.960 a hate propaganda yeah this might be it this might be the one oh you can't even

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01:01:41.880 conqueror and chat oh sevens for michael the conqueror and check he is making the documentary

01:01:48.120 happen and uh it's it's very exciting like a you know i've had to pay for hard drives had to pay

01:01:56.520 for the gas had to pay for you know the editors and the camera operators we're working with an

01:02:01.320 award-winning documentarian as well um so it's it's good stuff it's good stuff i actually just

01:02:07.420 went through actually i went through the shot list yesterday of the entire like like script

01:02:14.860 of like we need a shot of this shot of this shot of this shot of this shot of this it's uh yeah

01:02:19.540 It's going to be a legit documentary

01:02:20.780 It's going to be distributed on

01:02:22.780 Amazon Prime Video

01:02:26.660 It's going to be distributed internationally

01:02:28.360 If we get our highest budgeting goal

01:02:30.680 It'll be submitted to film festivals

01:02:32.940 And everything

01:02:33.420 And you know

01:02:35.800 The whole reason I'm doing this

01:02:38.480 Is because I've been in the

01:02:40.560 Political arena in the right wing for a while

01:02:43.060 And

01:02:44.620 Respectfully

01:02:47.160 I don't see that many solutions

01:02:48.960 like i see the globalist conservative party of canada i see these like lying career politicians

01:02:55.440 and outside of that i don't really see that much i don't really see much going on of course

01:03:01.280 you know my whole journey started with the people's party of canada and that's fantastic

01:03:05.460 and they're doing what they can to create a platform for people i think they could be you

01:03:11.320 know better i think they could be more aggressive i think they could put a lot more thought into

01:03:17.000 more powerful messaging and rhetoric to really capture the frustration of canadians right now

01:03:23.740 because you know the the let's face it the anti-immigrant sentiment is really strong

01:03:28.860 the ppc has the policy to address that but it's like the the rhetoric is just simply not strong

01:03:36.960 enough um but anyway my point is you know i see these other kind of alternative media outlets

01:03:44.380 And they sort of just prop up the PPC or sorry, the conservative party and Pierre Polyev.

01:03:50.460 And so it's like, what are we, you know, what's what, what like actual solutions are there out there to like fight this battle in the fifth generational warfare?

01:03:59.340 And I'm a media guy.

01:04:01.340 So I'm like, you know what?

01:04:02.440 We need more media.

01:04:03.920 We need more people telling our side of the story.

01:04:07.540 And it needs to be well done.

01:04:09.300 It needs to be professional.

01:04:10.360 It needs to be easy to understand.

01:04:11.800 We need to be educating people on a regular basis about this stuff, and that's why I'm super pumped about this documentary because it's going to tell a very, very, very important story, which is, in a nutshell, identifying the enemy.

01:04:26.560 Identifying the enemy because, you know, getting Trudeau out, I should bring up the example, but getting Trudeau out, can I find it quickly?

01:04:36.360 it's just so annoying when I'm cooking

01:04:38.600 and then I want to like talk about something

01:04:41.200 to like reference it

01:04:42.180 and then I have to like go look for it

01:04:44.440 you know what I mean

01:04:46.000 how far back is it

01:04:47.340 when do I talk about it

01:04:49.320 no I made a tweet about it not too long ago

01:04:53.460 I should be able to find it

01:04:54.740 there we go

01:04:57.760 boom

01:04:58.380 can a Poly F supporter

01:05:03.700 explain to me how getting Trudeau

01:05:05.740 out would fix this problem and what happened the mayor mayor mcquaker of emo was fined five

01:05:13.620 thousand dollars for refusing to acknowledge pride month and subsequently refused to pay the fine

01:05:18.140 then he had his bank account garnished i didn't even know you could do this but essentially

01:05:23.820 against his will they showed up just took the money out of his account they took the money

01:05:30.580 out of his account so did trudeau do this did the federal liberal party do this no and that's why i

01:05:38.280 say there's clearly bureaucrats and members of canada's managerial class across the country

01:05:44.440 imposing their ultra progressive politics on mayors on people and in the documentary we document

01:05:53.800 other stories of regular canadians teachers lawyers professors patriots parents you name it

01:06:06.060 high school students and how they're persecuted for their political their beliefs for basically

01:06:13.220 in some cases just who they are and what they believe in obviously we bring up the convoy

01:06:17.780 in the documentary but we tell that whole story and identify that enemy of there is this very

01:06:23.600 bias managerial class in canada and there's also an organization called the canadian anti-hate

01:06:31.940 network which sort of represents this sort of how these people operate which is to smear

01:06:38.180 the reputations of people who have the wrong politics and it's done in a very systemic and

01:06:45.760 very intentional and very insidious way and people need to know about this simply so we can identify

01:06:52.260 the enemy. We can't solve a problem if we don't

01:06:54.520 really know what the problem is.

01:06:56.220 Because right now everyone's running around saying, that's woke, we've got to

01:06:58.540 stop the woke. And actually there was a reply to this

01:07:00.600 that's perfect.

01:07:02.700 There was a reply to this tweet.

01:07:07.020 Wait, was it this tweet?

01:07:12.780 Well, the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal

01:07:14.520 is a provincial creation, enforcing provincial

01:07:16.500 legislation. It has nothing to do with federal

01:07:18.300 politics. If you want to get rid of it, look closer to

01:07:20.480 home well this is exactly right it has nothing to do with Trudeau that was in the tweet though

01:07:24.820 was I gonna yeah here we go here we go this guy says easy get rid of the head asshole in charge

01:07:34.540 get rid of the left-wing mind virus and the wokeness yeah it's that simple right just get

01:07:41.820 Trudeau out and get rid of the left-wing mind virus it's not that simple guys it's not that

01:07:48.940 simple at all it's like it's that this is you know what this is this is a death star this is

01:07:55.480 a star wars death star thinking and i remember identifying this back in 2020 essentially what

01:08:04.340 it is it's this mindset that you know you know the movie star wars a new hope it's the climax

01:08:12.480 of the movie they're in their x-wing fighters and they gotta go fly in down into the trench

01:08:18.780 of the Death Star and then shoot

01:08:21.080 one missile in the chute, in the

01:08:23.240 little, you know,

01:08:25.280 hole in the Death Star and then the whole thing explodes

01:08:27.400 and then blow up this kid

01:08:29.240 then let's go home. And then 0.73

01:08:31.160 there's like Princess Leia with the buns on her head

01:08:33.020 and then we all live happily ever after.

01:08:36.080 That's what this thinking

01:08:37.120 is. All we gotta do

01:08:39.320 whoops

01:08:39.840 all we gotta do is get Trudeau 1.00

01:08:43.140 out, shoot that little missile into the

01:08:45.100 Death Star and the whole thing explodes.

01:08:47.040 this is delusional thinking this is not a movie we're not in a movie we're in reality

01:08:53.820 so that's just like that that's not how it's not a simple fix to everything that's going on

01:09:00.440 and i remember identifying this phenomena back in 2020 when this person named Norman Traversy

01:09:07.120 you guys remember Norman Traversy he said i'm going to arrest Justin Trudeau i have a pdf paper

01:09:13.720 from a lawyer i'm going to submit it to the u.s embassy and then donald trump is going to arrest

01:09:21.040 justin trudeau for like being a pedophile or something he got over a hundred thousand dollars

01:09:26.260 in funding for his go fund me to print out a pdf and then put the pdf into a mail slot at the u.s

01:09:34.260 embassy no one even came to see him when he submitted the papers so it's like literally

01:09:38.240 like a death star where like instead of shooting a missile in the hole of the death star you shoot

01:09:42.360 in a pdf into the whole of the u.s embassy and then the whole you know and then justin trudeau

01:09:49.180 gets thrown in jail if you could believe it it didn't work it didn't work nothing happened

01:09:57.640 nothing happened nothing happened at all and same thing with it's very similar with all we got to do

01:10:04.760 is get Trudeau out

01:10:06.240 and all of our problems

01:10:07.920 will go away.

01:10:10.240 But stories like this

01:10:11.860 show us that this is not the case.

01:10:14.000 This has nothing to do

01:10:14.800 with Justin Trudeau.

01:10:15.680 This has nothing to do

01:10:16.500 with the powers that he has.

01:10:19.240 There is a managerial class

01:10:21.360 of people with similar politics

01:10:23.920 pushing the same politics.

01:10:25.400 And it's not even about

01:10:26.340 pushing the politics.

01:10:27.240 It's about punishing people

01:10:29.320 with the wrong politics.

01:10:32.200 And it's always done

01:10:33.440 in an above board way.

01:10:34.760 like listen to like the audacity of the people that did this sure sex is great but have you

01:10:44.040 ever garnished your mayor's bank account after he publicly refused to comply with the tribunal's

01:10:48.240 order to pay damages that's um like they're so emboldened they're so emboldened they're like

01:10:57.640 yeah we we uh we took five grand from this mayor's bank account because we don't like

01:11:04.320 politics because he didn't recognize pride month or recognize some flag or whatever it's crazy

01:11:11.340 it's absolutely insane but yeah that's why that's why this documentary is important it's it's going

01:11:18.780 to start exposing the problem and i want to start creating solutions in this place i want to start

01:11:25.800 creating um and the solution is you know a documentary that's going to tell uh our side

01:11:35.140 of the story you know it's actually going to tell it properly it's going to expose this managerial

01:11:39.420 class and then give us you know the moral high ground oh my god look at this james bullock with

01:11:46.820 150 donation thank you so much for this huge donation 150 keep up the great work infinite

01:11:55.680 respect infinite respect wow i'm gonna take that to the bank you know i'm gonna take that to the

01:12:03.660 bank you hear that you hear that i got infinite respect thank you so much for the huge donation

01:12:09.260 james really really appreciate it um i'm hopefully going to come out with more sort of fundraiser

01:12:15.580 stuff to to really hype it up and try to do a christmas drive here because um

01:12:19.780 yeah there's a there's a lot there's a lot of stuff to pay for for this project and i think

01:12:25.580 it's going to be well worth it um so lee stewie in chat says borderland pride leader says he will

01:12:32.240 go after anyone who opposes lgbt where applicable because he's a lawyer yeah the i mean these people

01:12:39.720 are they're aggressively enforcing their politics on people through through like punishment and

01:12:45.980 through all sorts of things and really what what is the pushback let's let's meditate on that for

01:12:52.560 a second what is the pushback against these emboldened gay lawyers who are going after

01:12:59.260 mayors and taking their money because it comes back to it comes back to the conservative party

01:13:07.560 of canada the poly of the the official opposition and they hardly stand up for any of us i think

01:13:15.520 ever did didn't even didn't even stand up for tamara litch or chris barber didn't even stand

01:13:22.080 up for archer poplowski didn't even stand up for i mean the closest thing he did to that was like

01:13:29.100 taking a photo op with james top which was which was honestly more gross than anything else because

01:13:36.040 he was there for two seconds then ran away and then uh never spoke of it again this is a canadian

01:13:42.500 armed forces veteran

01:13:44.020 who marched across the entire country

01:13:46.660 with a 50 pound rucksack on his back

01:13:48.820 to stop vaccine mandates

01:13:50.680 in the military shows up

01:13:52.660 for two seconds for a photo op to

01:13:54.580 pander to people like us then 0.97

01:13:56.400 fucking disappears

01:13:57.380 he's not like Trudeau

01:14:00.600 though he's not like a regular

01:14:02.560 ass career politician

01:14:04.080 he's actually exactly that

01:14:06.220 but yeah oh yeah we were going to react to this

01:14:10.740 that's right

01:14:11.240 that's right that's right let's react to a uh wandsbutter video let's go how do i fix this

01:14:19.600 do this let me let me fix this hold on

01:14:23.840 that doesn't look right um

01:14:29.340 just a moment

01:14:41.240 Is that better?

01:14:55.620 There we go.

01:15:00.240 All right, let's react to that.

01:15:02.840 Hate crimes in Canada.

01:15:06.420 I'm excited.

01:15:07.260 go uh go subscribe to um to nicholas wandsbutter his channel don't talk tv

01:15:15.260 lee stewie says imagine if c63 passes and you have people like borderland pride at the helm

01:15:20.580 filing lawsuits with the human rights commission yeah i mean that's kind of why i do see um

01:15:28.200 a reefer ronnie splitting up this bill at least as like a small win i think i may have sent the

01:15:33.840 wrong message on my initial like tick tock about this of how it's like hey this is good news

01:15:37.460 it's it's good news isn't that they're they're going to put that on the back burner for now

01:15:42.720 the thing of you know it looks like they're going to put that on the back burner of changing the

01:15:45.880 human rights stuff and and trying to broaden the definition of criminal hate speech however

01:15:50.320 it's also bad news because they're shifting their tactic to try and get one past the goalie

01:15:56.140 and a digital commission you know it's it's going to be a censorship bureaucracy based on what we've

01:16:03.080 with this government it's going to be a censorship

01:16:05.160 bureaucracy and I think I'm just thinking

01:16:07.060 out loud here that's another sort of

01:16:08.780 reason why I'm excited

01:16:11.120 about this documentary I don't really feel

01:16:13.100 like many people

01:16:15.100 properly identify the problem

01:16:16.860 because if you go to alternative

01:16:19.020 media if you go to the rebel news of the world

01:16:21.140 and the true north southern world and even

01:16:22.960 the other kind of like YouTube influencers of the world

01:16:25.180 in Canadian politics all

01:16:27.020 the problems are reduced to Justin

01:16:29.260 Trudeau or even just like

01:16:31.060 the liberal party

01:16:32.520 When in reality, there's a whole class of bureaucrats who fall in line with being subservient to the corrupt government, the corrupt regime that they all work for.

01:16:46.420 And very rarely do I see anyone kind of properly identifying the enemy, properly identifying like the villain of the story.

01:16:56.240 so

01:16:57.480 yeah we need to start doing that

01:17:00.800 because otherwise we're just kind of running around with our head cut off

01:17:03.020 alright let's get into

01:17:04.920 reacting to this video

01:17:05.900 then I'm probably going to wrap it up

01:17:09.140 because I got

01:17:09.620 I got work to do guys

01:17:12.340 I got work to do

01:17:13.620 so this is

01:17:14.440 Don't Talk TV episode 16

01:17:19.680 hate crimes in Canada

01:17:20.580 whoops

01:17:23.760 hold on let me fix the audio

01:17:25.200 Section 2B of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the freedom of thought, belief,

01:17:35.340 and expression. However, this right is not unlimited, and as we've discussed previously,

01:17:40.500 Section 1 of the Charter allows for reasonable limitations on the rights provided in other

01:17:45.300 sections of the Charter. One of those limits on the right to freedom of expression and thought

01:17:50.100 comes from the so-called hate propaganda provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada.

01:17:55.320 This week on Don't Talk TV, I'm going to look at those sections of the Criminal Code

01:17:58.480 in light of some recent events in the news.

01:18:11.880 This is not legal advice.

01:18:14.260 Hello, my name is Nicholas Wandsbutter.

01:18:16.160 I'm a criminal defense lawyer in Stratford, Ontario, Canada,

01:18:18.920 and welcome to don't talk tv now the question of hate crimes and hate propaganda has come up in

01:18:24.100 the news recently two items in particular caught my attention one a gentleman named let's just

01:18:30.320 check the time so that's february 17th 2021 this was the february before the convoy canadian

01:18:37.160 nationalist party leader charged with willful promotion of hate so this for those who don't

01:18:41.980 know this is a hate speech law that's already on the books and it's enforced and used very rarely

01:18:47.440 So he's going to kind of go over, I think, one of the times it has been used.

01:18:50.920 Travis Patron, or Patron, not exactly sure how to pronounce his name, who's apparently the leader of the Nationalist Party of Canada, was arrested and charged with promotion of genocide under Section 318 of the Criminal Code and willful promotion of hatred under Section 319 of the Criminal Code.

01:19:08.500 This was in relation to a YouTube video that he had posted some years ago

01:19:12.920 and which the Canadian Anti-Hate Network had brought to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

01:19:18.040 The second...

01:19:18.500 Wow, there you go.

01:19:20.520 Canadian Anti-Hate Network bringing something to the attention of the RCMP.

01:19:26.680 Huh. Huh.

01:19:28.640 Where have we seen that before?

01:19:30.200 Interesting.

01:19:31.420 Starting to see a network start to arise here.

01:19:36.440 item is from february the 22nd where an article asked why a pub in downtown london called the

01:19:43.860 ale house hadn't been charged with willfully promoting hatred for a sign that they posted

01:19:48.900 on their building that said we love chinese people but we hate the genocide and the chinese 0.87

01:19:55.100 virus that your communist government has inflicted on us now it's important okay whoa 0.68

01:20:00.980 throwback i forgot about this uh based sign we love chinese people we hate the genocide 0.88

01:20:08.140 in china virus your commie government has inflicted upon us i mean what's wrong with that 0.61

01:20:14.720 that's that's i love the covet angst coming out of that you know what i mean 0.68

01:20:19.180 um austin s says pat king could be any of us and look how easy we be forgotten about i don't even

01:20:29.820 like pat king but he shouldn't be in jail i know this is totally true this is totally real um

01:20:34.880 i mean and i don't understand why more people don't get that you know uh these are the canaries

01:20:42.440 in the coal mine like we saw it since the convoy where people like jeremy mckenzie morgan may people

01:20:50.060 like arthur paulowski people like henry hildebrandt people like uh yeah pat king

01:20:58.560 they all uh did i mention uh old rand randy hillier as well like these people were made an

01:21:07.000 example of for being leaders or being you know representative of a certain politics of opposing

01:21:14.740 the canadian government and they got punished for it and the thing is is when people get thrown in

01:21:19.700 jail or persecuted like you know life life moves on unfortunately and unless there's people who are

01:21:28.340 telling that story then it's going to be forgotten about it's going to be forgotten about and people

01:21:34.460 are just going to move on and it's sad but that's what happens and it sucks because there's so many

01:21:38.920 people who are further left or further to the center or maybe they're right wing and they agree

01:21:43.960 with all these people like pat king who have been thrown in jail but i don't want to associate with

01:21:49.360 that i don't want to say that i don't it's too risky for me to stand up and defend them and tell

01:21:54.740 their story and it's like okay well now no one is you know and now uh the fact that that happened

01:22:01.360 the fact that that was so morally wrong and morally bad and exposed the corruption of the

01:22:07.240 government you live under now no one's going to hear about any of that now that's not just not

01:22:12.240 going to be talked about at all and uh then the government's going to do it again and they're

01:22:18.200 going to do it to somebody who's closer to you they're going to keep coming in from the far right

01:22:22.320 and they're going to move their way in.

01:22:24.860 And that's why it's always disgusting

01:22:26.700 when anyone like to the left of me is like,

01:22:29.580 oh, I don't want to do that.

01:22:30.340 I don't want to associate with that.

01:22:31.500 And it's just like, bro, you're next in line.

01:22:33.760 Are you stupid?

01:22:35.320 Like, just like, look at what's happened in history

01:22:38.140 when there's a rise of a tyrannical government.

01:22:41.640 They start at the most sort of like the strongest dissidents

01:22:45.840 who are the most dissenting against the ruling government.

01:22:48.500 They go after them first, persecute them,

01:22:51.100 make an example of them try to create laws around it or whatever just to usurp their power and

01:22:56.920 you know discredit everyone who agrees with that dissident whatever and then they move in from

01:23:01.940 there uh so and it's really sad because there's a lot of um i mean it's not sad it's just kind

01:23:08.900 of like the situation we're in in canada there's a lot of infighting right now which i'm kind of

01:23:14.920 okay with but i think some infighting is good and some infighting is bad and i might i might

01:23:22.740 kind of make a video or share some thoughts on it to kind of parse out my my thoughts on that but

01:23:27.440 i mean in a nutshell 0.83

01:23:30.040 maybe i'll just talk about it now there's a lot of demoralized people in in the right wing of

01:23:40.560 canada or the freedom movement or whatever you want to call it and they saw what happened during

01:23:45.640 the convoy they saw how corrupt our government is and they don't see solutions probably because

01:23:52.340 there aren't many good ones and so they get demoralized and i've been there you know i've

01:23:58.760 been there i've totally felt that way before it's totally hopeless it's so over um and i think the

01:24:05.800 solution is to first of all address the fact that you're demoralized and try to remoralize yourself

01:24:11.360 any way that you can by working on yourself that's always a good first step you know trying to take

01:24:16.560 care of your immediate family or friends or anyone who's around you your immediate homestead or home

01:24:22.820 or living situation or financial situation that's always a good place to start but outside of that

01:24:29.300 it's important to be grounded in reality of what is possible we should have a sort of idealist

01:24:38.060 kind of like radical imagination in terms of what is possible but there's also something where it's

01:24:44.260 like okay well what's realistic to do right now what can we do right now what how am i going to

01:24:48.300 reach that long-term ideal goal and this everything i'm talking about is like solutions oriented

01:24:54.540 That's the healthy thing.

01:24:55.900 Take care of yourself, then assess the situation,

01:24:59.060 aspire for something great that will turn this country around,

01:25:02.320 but also look at the immediate environment and ask yourself,

01:25:05.900 what can I actually do to progress towards the goal that I want?

01:25:09.560 That's the healthy thing to do.

01:25:11.660 People are not doing that.

01:25:13.360 There's a lot of right-wing people who are not doing that.

01:25:16.880 Maybe they're overwhelmed with demoralization,

01:25:19.300 they're overwhelmed with fear, and they think that the time is out,

01:25:22.420 it's already too late.

01:25:23.640 And then they kind of they let sort of, I don't know, resentment and fear take over and it turns into this sort of nasty thing and they just start kind of tearing down everyone around.

01:25:34.860 They just start to like shit on everything.

01:25:37.400 They start to shit on the PPC, for example.

01:25:39.920 They start to shit on Diagalon or Jeremy McKenzie or myself or anyone who's actually trying to do something.

01:25:45.720 and it's it's very and and you know to be fair people people like might might between diagonal

01:25:52.480 and ppc and they might be fighting back and forth and that sort of thing and this is what i mean

01:25:56.440 sometimes it's productive in fighting and it's constructive criticism or it's like pushing the

01:26:01.320 person to be more aggressive or more you know more um more strong and brave with their rhetoric

01:26:10.800 but on the flip side sometimes it's just kind of nasty and destructive and unproductive and sort of

01:26:19.720 like it just feels like the person is trying to tear something else down because it feels good

01:26:25.340 in the moment you know what i said about you're aspiring for a positive goal to try and you know

01:26:29.480 turn the country around but you also have to look at the reality these people are not having any sort

01:26:34.680 of aspiration for the future they're like it's totally over there is no future so what can i do

01:26:38.420 with the immediate power i have right now i'm gonna go shit on that person right there i have 0.67

01:26:42.620 the power i have the ability to go shit on that person and it's gonna feel good it's gonna feel 0.93

01:26:48.580 good to just throw a brick through that window because fuck that it's over anyway bro 0.67

01:26:53.360 that's what's unproductive that's what kind of needs to stop um i think the infighting can be 0.53

01:27:01.800 good i think having i think actually i want to host more debates to be honest because i've gotten a

01:27:06.700 lot of great feedback from that debate uh between the ferryman's toll and um alex cargill aka

01:27:14.180 trans splendor and i would like to do more debates on those topics because let's face it there aren't

01:27:19.040 really much debates going on in canada period there's not going to be a debate on the cbc

01:27:24.320 there's not going to be a debate on ctv news or city tv there's not even going to be a debate

01:27:30.900 with the conservative party of canada they are very much nope like no discussion if you become

01:27:39.040 a member you're not even allowed to like you have to write all this stuff to sign your life away to

01:27:43.580 like not talk about stuff so there's no debate happening there either where's the debate

01:27:49.620 happening it's like quite frankly the debate is happening online between you know ppc people

01:27:59.420 diagonal on people whatever it is um maybe some maybe a little bickering with kind of the

01:28:04.920 conservative gatekeepers but most of the time that they just try to prop up the conservative

01:28:08.480 party but like there's a lot of very pressing issues going on and like no one's really we're

01:28:12.960 not really talking about it or parsing it out whatsoever so uh d's in chat if you want more

01:28:20.180 debates let me see those d's but uh that's pretty well my rant we we gotta we gotta keep things

01:28:26.000 productive um i think in like i said infighting and disagreement i think can very be very healthy

01:28:32.480 uh even if it gets heated even like i can see if it gets like sometimes a little nasty or people

01:28:37.620 kind of like you know mock each other a bit and ridicule each other a bit because that's how you

01:28:41.660 can get your point across but um aside from that you know when it's just kind of like nasty with

01:28:48.000 with no real points that that that kind of stuff i think is just i think i think when i see that

01:28:54.320 stuff i think it's just honestly depressing because it's like people are just demoralized

01:28:57.520 and this is like the epitome of losing the epitome of losing is you know getting crushed

01:29:02.800 by the globalist astro-surfed conservative party and then any amount of resistance is

01:29:08.540 just bickering and fighting amongst each other with no sort of um no sort of

01:29:14.500 sign that it's going to manifest into anything productive um i think conflicts are good

01:29:24.360 but it needs to turn into something positive yes look at the d's in chat let's freaking go

01:29:29.600 let's freaking go um let's let's continue to react to this i a pub in downtown london called

01:29:37.500 the ale house hadn't been charged with willfully promoting hatred for a sign that they posted on

01:29:42.980 their building that said, we love Chinese people, but we hate the genocide and the Chinese virus

01:29:49.580 that your communist government has inflicted on us. Now, it's important for Canadians to understand 0.67

01:29:55.020 the hate propaganda laws, firstly, so that you understand both your rights and your obligations

01:30:00.520 for public discourse in Canadian society, and also to give some insight into why these charges

01:30:06.200 are so rarely laid. So in this episode, firstly, I'll cover what is laid out in sections 318 and

01:30:12.800 319 of the criminal code and it explain what is required to prove charges under those sections

01:30:18.880 then i'll look specifically at how those sections of the criminal code might apply

01:30:24.000 against the video in question posted by mr patron or patron and finally i'll look at how

01:30:29.740 that those sections may or may not apply to the ale house in london ontario

01:30:33.940 amazing this is stuff we've covered this is stuff we've covered on the channel before but

01:30:40.040 I'm excited to hear what my rights are in regards to hating things

01:30:45.440 and what I'm allowed to hate and what I'm not allowed to hate

01:30:48.120 and what I'm allowed to say and not allowed to say.

01:30:51.980 Yeah.

01:30:52.720 So the hate propaganda laws are separated into two sections.

01:30:55.660 The first, and more serious, but also less often prosecuted,

01:30:58.960 is section 318 of the Criminal Code, which is advocating genocide.

01:31:02.560 So that section reads that everyone who advocates or promotes genocide

01:31:05.640 is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment

01:31:08.000 for a term not exceeding five years.

01:31:09.380 Now, genocide is specifically defined under subsection 2 as an act committed with the intent of destroying, in whole or in part, any identifiable group, specifically killing members of that group, or deliberately inflicting upon that group life conditions calculated to bring about the destruction of that group.

01:31:25.720 So if they're trying to prove that someone's advocating or promoting genocide, they have to prove that the person is actually calling for the killing of individuals, or the... 0.79

01:31:32.680 I wonder if, like, calling to end whiteness qualifies. 0.95

01:31:35.760 Thanks. Does calling to end whiteness qualify as a call to genocide? Just curious. 0.61

01:31:41.300 Purposeful imposition of conditions that are so bad that they would most likely die,

01:31:45.400 or a large number of them would be certain to die. Now, an identifiable group is also

01:31:49.020 specifically defined in this section. So an identifiable group is defined in this section

01:31:53.760 as any section of the public distinguished by color, race, religion, national or ethnic origin,

01:31:58.780 age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.

01:32:03.620 Section 319 is then public incitement of hatred, and there's two ways that individuals can be charged under that section.

01:32:09.820 The first is under subsection 1 that says that everyone who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.

01:32:21.000 I'm going to slow this down.

01:32:22.120 any identifiable group

01:32:27.100 is that everyone who by communicating statements in any public place incites hatred against any

01:32:36.500 identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty

01:32:41.360 and the maximum is two years on that charge and the sectioned is under subsection two that says

01:32:46.860 everyone who by communicating statements other than in private conversation willfully promotes

01:32:51.480 hatred against any identifiable group

01:32:53.460 is guilty. Now, identify

01:32:55.060 Hmm.

01:33:09.120 Abolishing

01:33:09.700 whiteness has never been more urgent.

01:33:12.620 Interesting.

01:33:17.300 Harvard

01:33:17.900 Magazine. Abolish the

01:33:19.760 white race. 1.00

01:33:21.480 Interesting.

01:33:24.000 Your independent source for Harvard News

01:33:25.960 since 1898. 0.99

01:33:31.680 It's time for whiteness as usual to end. 0.99

01:33:37.420 Interesting. 0.94

01:33:42.440 The United Church of Canada?

01:33:45.820 What?

01:33:47.380 12 steps towards ending white supremacy.

01:33:51.480 oh my god here's like the 12 steps from like the 12-step program

01:33:59.320 that's interesting let's keep let's keep going through this video i don't want to get sidetracked

01:34:09.880 viable group has the same definition for both sections 318 and section 319. now section 319

01:34:17.000 the Crown does not have to prove that the individual willfully incited hatred but they

01:34:23.380 do have to prove that what they said was something that would be likely to cause a breach of the

01:34:28.980 piece. Subsection 2 does not require any proof that the piece might be breached but it has a

01:34:35.040 more onerous requirement that it be proved that the person willfully promoted hatred by the

01:34:41.020 comments that they made. The case law in all of these sections says that the incitement must be

01:34:45.800 both public and direct the case also says that promoting hatred requires more than encouraging

01:34:51.760 ill will it must be direct and active stimulation of hatred and the accused must be proved to

01:34:59.620 promote an emotional state of an extreme and intense nature in a supreme court this is all

01:35:06.420 i i'm excited to hear his commentary on this because this this all is like if they sound

01:35:12.080 really angry then it's bad then we're then we're gonna determine and like it's just it just goes

01:35:19.580 to like because the flip side guys is when trudeau is like talking about unvaccinated people and he's

01:35:25.720 like do we even tolerate these people i mean he sounds nice it sounded nice when he said that

01:35:32.000 do we even tolerate these people but it also implies

01:35:35.960 we got to get rid of these people these people now when he said that off i'll say on like cbc

01:35:45.800 canada radio or whatever um whatever french station it was he was like they don't believe

01:35:51.360 in science they hate women what do we do with these people do we even tolerate these people

01:35:57.020 you know it's our political enemies or i wouldn't even say our political enemies anybody who is

01:36:05.200 in sort of the business of demonizing groups effectively,

01:36:11.240 effectively keyword, they do it in a sort of cryptic way.

01:36:15.660 They do it in a passive-aggressive way.

01:36:19.440 Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm love and light.

01:36:21.880 I'm love and light, but I'm just against racism.

01:36:26.340 And you're racist, and that means I'm dehumanizing you.

01:36:30.840 And that means people should hate you.

01:36:32.720 that means people should hate your guts 0.66

01:36:35.200 and think that you are everything

01:36:37.380 wrong with society but I'm

01:36:39.400 nice I'm just here to be a good person

01:36:41.620 I'm just saying

01:36:43.560 because you like

01:36:45.440 to tweet or because someone that you like

01:36:47.460 liked to tweet or said something

01:36:48.860 you're actually the worst person

01:36:51.540 ever you're the most morally wrong

01:36:53.440 thing that's

01:36:54.500 cause of all of our society's ills

01:36:57.300 but I have a

01:37:00.560 but I have a heart and a rainbow flag in my bio.

01:37:04.100 So that's,

01:37:05.020 that's not hate,

01:37:05.680 right?

01:37:06.420 That's not hate.

01:37:07.140 That's because it sounded nice when they talked about it.

01:37:11.900 Decision titled Her Majesty the Queen and Andrews.

01:37:15.340 Justice Corey stated,

01:37:17.260 quote,

01:37:17.640 hatred is not a word of casual connotation.

01:37:20.140 To promote hatred is to instill detestation,

01:37:23.420 enmity,

01:37:24.000 ill will,

01:37:24.640 and malevolence in another.

01:37:26.020 Clearly an expression must go a long way before it qualifies within the

01:37:29.660 definition of section 319 sub 2 we shouldn't even be legislating this i don't think i mean

01:37:39.780 like if i hate pedophile like you know it's a kind of cheap example but like if i hate pedophiles

01:37:44.600 i should be able to be like very you know not like you know i i think i should be able to hate

01:37:52.160 things i think i should be able to hate evil things i don't think that's outrageous to say

01:37:56.900 because evil people are out there dishonest people are out there who do immoral things that are worthy

01:38:03.300 of hatred you know it's it's sort of invalidating uh you know humanity it invalidates the the human

01:38:12.880 experience to say no you should never be angry you know it'd be nice if we were never violent

01:38:19.040 but people are going to be violent because they're human beings but this is the difference is this is

01:38:24.620 an emotion that we all have and it's not even you know it's not even causing any direct harm to

01:38:32.700 anyone so anyway two in defense of hate so i think this shows right at the beginning that it's very

01:38:39.420 difficult to prove these sections because of the intensity of the hatred that has to be engendered

01:38:45.180 by the words that are spoken or propagated by an individual so the crown has to prove that the

01:38:51.780 individual either directly intended to promote hatred or that the words they uttered were just

01:38:58.440 so obvious that that would occur, that it was certain or substantially certain that hatred

01:39:03.560 would result, that that intention is imputed to them. So there's certainly very little room for

01:39:09.060 gray area and it would seem that comments made by individuals have to be very obvious in their

01:39:15.020 intent in order for the Crown to prove the case. So let's take a look at these cases that have come

01:39:22.760 up in the media recently, dealing first with Mr. Patron, or Patron, who was charged on February

01:39:29.080 the 17th. The video in question is entitled, quote, Beware the Parasitic Tribe, unquote.

01:39:35.500 According to the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, Parasitic Tribe is a specific reference to

01:39:40.800 Jewish people. I'm not certain that that's something in common knowledge that courts could

01:39:45.840 take judicial notice of. Judicial notice is when something is so widely known that courts can

01:39:51.480 accept it without there being evidence to establish that point. So for example, somewhere to say the

01:39:57.300 sky is blue, the court can take judicial notice of the fact that the sky is blue because this is so

01:40:02.220 widely known and you don't need a scientist to come to explain that that is in fact the case.

01:40:07.800 I'm not so certain that everyone knows that parasitic tribe refers to Jewish people.

01:40:14.100 I suspect they might have to call experts to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt that that is in fact the case.

01:40:20.500 In the video in question, Mr. Patron never actually mentions Jewish people.

01:40:27.220 Now, he does make a number of accusations against these individuals. 0.61

01:40:30.480 Everywhere these people go, they infiltrate the media, they hijack the central bank, and they infect the body politic like a parasite.

01:40:45.700 He could be talking about anyone, honestly.

01:40:48.740 He could be talking about any group.

01:40:50.820 Is he talking about Somalians?

01:40:53.620 Maybe Brazilians?

01:40:56.020 Somalians are in media a lot, right? 1.00

01:40:58.360 yeah i think i heard that from our wars 1.00

01:41:03.700 and they seek to control and demoralize us in every aspect i feel like he's just talking about

01:41:13.920 like liberal politicians though you know of what we try to do it's their world and if they had their

01:41:23.140 way our entire way of life would be eradicated they don't like us in fact they despise us

01:41:32.120 now a number of these i think he's actually talking about

01:41:35.440 journalists maybe maybe that's the parasitic tribe just a thought they should seem fairly

01:41:43.840 vague to me i i think that the argument would be that they that they promote hatred because he's

01:41:50.980 accusing these people of doing things that most people would not be happy with and that they don't

01:41:56.820 like. And he's saying that they're trying to destroy our way of life, for example. So the

01:42:01.720 inference is that you're going to hate someone who's trying to destroy your way of life.

01:42:06.320 The Canadian Anti-Hate Network and their complaint filed with the RCMP suggested that the things said

01:42:12.960 by Mr. Patron in his video have been definitively defined as equaling hate by the Supreme Court of

01:42:20.860 Canada in the case of Her Majesty the Queen and Keegstra. I'm not certain that they're right in

01:42:25.620 their interpretation of Keegstra. That case specifically dealt with the constitutionality

01:42:31.280 of sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code and didn't deal directly with whether the things that

01:42:37.500 Mr. Keegstra said constituted proof of advocating genocide or promoting hatred. Now I think it is

01:42:45.500 worth noting that Mr. Keegstra was accused of specifically accusing the Jewish people,

01:42:52.320 and he apparently was a school teacher who actually taught his students that Jewish people

01:42:56.920 were, quote, sadistic, child killers, and inherently evil. I suspect that Mr. Patron or Patron's

01:43:04.600 defense lawyer, or perhaps himself if he decides to represent himself, would argue that Mr. Keegstra

01:43:10.840 was much more direct in his incitement and much harsher in the things he was saying. For example,

01:43:17.660 saying that people kill children is going to enrage people more, I suspect, than saying that

01:43:24.580 they want to destroy Canadian way of life. Do Mr. Patron's accusations rise to the level of

01:43:30.360 promoting an emotional state of extreme and intense nature? I think that's something for

01:43:35.500 a court to decide. It seems to me that this video may be a bit in the gray area. I think there's

01:43:41.200 certainly arguments to be made for both sides. Now, Mr. Patron was also charged with advocating

01:43:45.980 genocide under section 319 of the criminal code. This charge, I think it's much clearer that the

01:43:52.040 Crown will have an extremely difficult time improving. Based on the Canadian Anti-Hate Network

01:43:56.700 complaint, I take it that where they say he's advocating genocide is when he says near the end

01:44:01.920 of the video and what we need to do perhaps more than anything is this this is a this guy's intense

01:44:10.760 i'm i'm curious if nat nationalist.ca is still operating to remove these people once and for all

01:44:17.940 from our country based on the definition that we covered of advocacy of genocide i don't think

01:44:26.520 that meets it he's calling for people to be removed from canada now i would suggest that

01:44:31.280 removal is clearly not killing them that's deporting them and i think it's far from clear

01:44:35.920 the deportation of people on its face would meet the definition of imposing conditions

01:44:41.280 that are calculated to bring about the destruction of people

01:44:44.940 very very interesting very very interesting i do remember hearing about this case a while ago i i

01:44:53.680 thought he actually did say uh unidentifiable group i thought he actually did refer to

01:45:00.440 uh i assumed that he may have referred to jewish people in that video but it's it is interesting

01:45:07.620 that he didn't didn't even say jewish people but the the fact that it was it was like no that you

01:45:16.960 you mentioned that that it's in the media therefore therefore we know who you're talking about

01:45:22.820 and that's enough to just 0.61

01:45:25.300 damn

01:45:25.940 turning then to the

01:45:29.080 Ale House in London, Ontario

01:45:30.520 I have an article here from the London Free Press

01:45:33.060 titled, Did Downtown Pubs

01:45:34.740 Controversial Sign Cross Criminal Line

01:45:37.000 so as we can see the sign in the

01:45:39.080 picture here, it's as I said 1.00

01:45:40.720 we love Chinese people but we hate 1.00

01:45:42.760 basically the same, we hate the 1.00

01:45:44.480 we just, we gotta do

01:45:49.080 this right now guys, we gotta do this

01:45:50.580 we got to do this

01:45:55.960 we got to do this right now guys

01:46:03.940 we got to do this right now

01:46:20.580 let's go classic does i commit a hate crime by tweeting that i don't know anyway let's keep going

01:46:27.980 with the video the ccp the chinese communist party and the case goes on to describe how 0.68

01:46:37.200 police erred in not charging a downtown london bar owner for signage some called divisive and

01:46:42.120 even racist one legal activist says i i do want to point out uh this was before it was like common

01:46:49.100 to uh call out china uh you know foreign interference that's a very common thing back

01:46:54.980 in 2021 um you would get in trouble for inferring that the virus came from china i'm pretty sure

01:47:03.020 like i wouldn't even be able to say that on youtube right now uh or like back then rather

01:47:07.340 but after 2021 i think it might have been maybe it was the end of 2021 when they actually said

01:47:15.240 oh yeah you know what actually maybe it did come from a lab leak in china and then you were allowed

01:47:20.580 to talk about it on youtube it was a very interesting how you couldn't associate china

01:47:25.920 with the virus or with a wuhan lab at first that was very very bad you'd be a horrible person for

01:47:30.980 doing that and then a year later you could talk you that was a plausible thing because finally 0.82

01:47:36.440 cnn or the new york times posted an article to say actually maybe that is true but those people

01:47:43.840 we shit on before for being bad for talking about that they're still horrible absolutely horrible

01:47:48.520 irredeemable and uh you know that sam trusco a western university law professor said he believes

01:47:55.860 the signs outside dundas streets alehouse which called covet 19 the china virus sparked intense

01:48:01.400 public criticism and may violate canada's hate speech laws with all due respect to professor

01:48:06.440 trusco i think he's clearly wrong that that sign runs afoul of canada's hate propaganda laws firstly

01:48:13.180 I think that it fails on being directed towards an identifiable group. As we've outlined,

01:48:18.960 identifiable groups relate to religious groups, ethnicities, nationalities, and nowhere in that

01:48:25.260 definition do you find political parties. So I don't think that the Chinese Communist Party

01:48:30.400 would qualify as an identifiable group under the provisions of Sections 318 or Section 319 of the

01:48:37.020 Criminal Code. So right there, it would not qualify as hate propaganda because it's not directed

01:48:41.940 towards an identifiable group as defined by the criminal code of canada secondly i would suggest

01:48:46.500 that deploring a genocide that the interesting so if you even add just a moniker of like the chinese

01:48:57.380 communist party i don't hate chinese people i hate the chinese communist party 0.89

01:49:03.060 i don't i don't hate east indians i i just don't like east indians that are uh

01:49:08.180 uh in my way downtown toronto is that you know what i mean that's an interesting qualifier 0.99

01:49:15.100 but i feel like in the country of canada they're not going to do you any favors if you're a white

01:49:21.740 person uh talking about a minority you know i don't think uh i don't think that's how the laws

01:49:29.180 are set up uh pretty cynical on that one the canadian parliament itself condemned by a vote

01:49:34.720 By the way, you're allowed to call for whiteness and wanting to end white people. 1.00

01:49:39.480 That's probably fine. 1.00

01:49:42.260 You can paint with a broad brushstroke if you're talking about white people. 1.00

01:49:46.180 It's fine. 0.99

01:49:47.460 66 to 0 on the 22nd of February 2021.

01:49:52.620 Condemning a genocide is clearly not engendering hatred.

01:49:56.520 As for calling COVID-19 the China virus, well, the media is frequently referring to various

01:50:03.240 strains of COVID-19 based on where they first been identified. So you have the UK strain of

01:50:08.800 COVID-19, you have the Brazil strain, the South Africa strain, etc. COVID-19 was originally

01:50:14.240 identified in Wuhan, China. Certainly the argument can be made that using the same naming techniques

01:50:20.400 that the media uses for various strains, calling the original COVID-19 the China virus is in keeping

01:50:26.260 with those naming practices. Certainly, no one would accuse the media of promoting hatred.

01:50:31.440 Therefore, I think it'd be very difficult to make out a charge against the owner of the alehouse.

01:50:36.560 And that's why he was never charged, because the police looked into this, and they determined that

01:50:41.540 the grounds did not exist to lay charges under the criminal code. This video is not legal advice.

01:50:47.140 You should always contact a lawyer for specific advice tailored to your situation. You can call

01:50:52.840 me at my one eight five five number listed below or another lawyer this week's episode of don't

01:50:58.040 talk tv we've looked at the hate propaganda provisions of the criminal court of canada

01:51:02.040 and then we've looked at two specific instances in the news where this has come up and just

01:51:06.100 i just want to go back to this article london free press so this was uh downtown london i

01:51:14.080 haven't been to the ill house i went to school there in london but i wanted to just say like

01:51:18.000 this article and this sort of guy that he quotes in it right here uh western university law

01:51:25.120 professor you know this might be hate speech laws like this like this article functions

01:51:30.580 as a chilling effect because i'm i'm this probably came across my eyeballs back during the pandemic

01:51:38.160 and it was like whoa like this bar owner is getting in trouble for saying this and that

01:51:42.880 sends a message to the public right that sends a message of like oh he's gonna get you can't do

01:51:47.900 that oh a lawyer said it's going to be

01:51:49.820 hate crime law and

01:51:51.840 like the media plays

01:51:53.840 a huge function in silencing people

01:51:55.780 not by even charging but threatening to

01:51:57.880 charge having some useless 0.97

01:51:59.840 academic idiot to be like no 0.94

01:52:01.800 no that's against the rules

01:52:03.080 don't do that

01:52:07.200 don't do that

01:52:08.460 and more and more people in Canada

01:52:11.180 unfortunately give in to that

01:52:13.380 don't do that oh I don't want

01:52:15.760 to ruffle any feathers oh my god

01:52:17.360 and it's because they have no confidence

01:52:19.980 in pushing back against the insanity

01:52:22.300 the only sort of confidence

01:52:24.180 the only sort of small little lane they get

01:52:26.320 is well I don't like Trudeau

01:52:28.600 and I'm going to vote for a conservative party

01:52:30.560 but like is that even

01:52:31.920 pushing back against the real

01:52:34.620 problem we need to be pushing with two

01:52:36.460 hands against this

01:52:38.220 widespread managerial class

01:52:40.920 of people

01:52:42.100 who are imposing their politics upon

01:52:44.640 Canadians some people call it

01:52:46.360 woke personally i think woke is sort of a it's not a tangible it's not a good term it's not

01:52:52.500 specific enough and um it's a pretty clear pattern that our country is hostile towards

01:53:01.580 canadians like the canadians who have lived here been here for a while um majority white a lot of

01:53:09.860 them more christian and they actually care about this country and its history uh representing and

01:53:15.520 reflecting that and there is an open hostility um to those people in this country and that's kind

01:53:22.120 of a lot of what this managerial class is is opposing by fining people who don't worship

01:53:28.120 sodomy and worship the rainbow flag um but people don't have any confidence in fighting against this

01:53:33.660 because not enough people are actually talking about that rebel news is not really talking about

01:53:37.780 that true north is not really talking about that they're just saying nope just trudeau that's the

01:53:42.000 only problem. And the reason people don't have more confidence is because there is not enough

01:53:46.280 voices. There's not enough professional storytelling to kind of embolden people to

01:53:53.160 show them what's actually happening. What I'm going to be doing is creating a documentary that

01:53:58.540 is professional and tells the story and identifies the enemy and the villain of this story, which is

01:54:06.420 this biased political media class of smear merchants of people who are basically left-wing

01:54:14.100 radicals imposing their politics upon people and just destroying everyone who's in their way

01:54:20.240 everyone who dares to speak up and people need to hear the story but if you want to support

01:54:25.080 please go to give send go.com slash save free speech we have a lot planned we almost have

01:54:31.680 all of the interviews in

01:54:33.860 Ontario done. There's still a few people

01:54:35.840 that we need to get

01:54:37.760 in the bag and interview for the documentary

01:54:39.480 in Ontario.

01:54:43.380 I want to name drop right now, but I won't.

01:54:45.480 But it's good. We got a lot of people

01:54:47.940 in the bag

01:54:49.720 already in terms of who we interviewed.

01:54:51.940 And there will be some clips coming out

01:54:53.640 before Christmas, that's for sure.

01:54:55.720 But if you want to support what

01:54:57.700 I'm doing, help

01:54:58.660 bring the story

01:55:00.500 to more Canadians. Help bring the

01:55:02.880 confidence to more Canadians to

01:55:04.800 actually identify

01:55:05.700 the problem. Identify the villain

01:55:08.540 and then we can all start pushing it back

01:55:10.580 against that villain. Because we all

01:55:12.980 really know that getting Trudeau out

01:55:14.860 is not going to solve this problem

01:55:16.900 not by a long shot. We need to

01:55:18.880 embolden ourselves and not be afraid

01:55:20.680 of these smear merchants. But it's at

01:55:22.400 givesango.com slash savefree

01:55:24.700 speech. Ladies

01:55:26.720 and gentlemen

01:55:27.320 Thank you so much for tuning in

01:55:31.820 Thanks for tuning in tonight

01:55:34.640 How are we doing in the chat?

01:55:40.600 Verani only has power online

01:55:42.420 Nah, I think he's got more than power online

01:55:44.440 He's connected with the Yaga Khan and everything

01:55:47.520 He's connected with 0.98

01:55:49.600 He's got more than that, I'm sure

01:55:52.680 James Lindsay quoting you?

01:55:55.840 that's kind of interesting

01:55:57.500 Mayor of Emo

01:56:03.180 yeah

01:56:03.620 well thanks for hanging out guys

01:56:05.760 really appreciate it

01:56:08.500 Caesar says

01:56:11.240 you didn't say the magic word

01:56:13.480 oh can you please donate

01:56:14.860 to the fundraiser

01:56:17.260 that would be great

01:56:19.120 no it's good

01:56:22.160 it's my first

01:56:24.220 documentary. I've done a lot of

01:56:26.480 videos, a lot of interviews, but this documentary

01:56:28.540 is, I'm learning a lot.

01:56:30.280 Learning a lot. I kind of have

01:56:32.480 this, I don't want to say

01:56:34.600 mentor necessarily, but this guy

01:56:36.600 is helping us, this award

01:56:38.640 winning documentarian is helping

01:56:40.460 us through this

01:56:41.380 larger storytelling process

01:56:44.640 and I'm really excited to see

01:56:46.320 I'm excited to show it to people

01:56:48.420 and bring it all together.

01:56:51.540 Richard Mitchell says

01:56:52.680 thank you for having nicholas wandsbutter on hey my pleasure he's a great guy he's very he's very

01:57:00.240 well educated and he gets it he gets it you know he's not afraid to be like huh it seems like

01:57:05.360 they're targeting white people hiking in the woods um who have the wrong politics instead of

01:57:10.700 pedophiles kind of weird kind of weird kind of strange that the rcmp would prior have those

01:57:16.580 prioritize prioritize priorities but uh anyway i'm gonna get some dinner thank you so so much

01:57:24.620 for watching i really appreciate it um what's next am i gonna be streaming later this week

01:57:31.080 i don't know what's planned this week i just know i got a lot of a lot more work to do oh if you

01:57:37.540 haven't seen it if you haven't seen it oh man you guys haven't seen the new video i dropped it

01:57:44.620 actually not long before

01:57:45.940 this stream.

01:57:49.140 But

01:57:49.360 it's very important that you go watch this

01:57:52.560 video.

01:57:55.280 Because, or

01:57:56.100 actually, I don't want to

01:57:58.600 I want you guys to go watch it

01:58:00.520 so you can help the algorithm. Okay?

01:58:02.560 So go help the algorithm if you haven't

01:58:04.620 seen it already. It is

01:58:06.560 the latest video on my channel. It's called

01:58:08.780 The Liberal Party

01:58:09.860 Does Not Care About Kids.

01:58:12.740 The Liberal Party does not, whoops,

01:58:14.360 The Liberal Party does not care about kids

01:58:16.340 I'll put it in the chat

01:58:18.060 Go give that a watch

01:58:20.300 It's very obvious stuff

01:58:22.840 But

01:58:23.200 People need to hear it

01:58:25.420 This is why Bill C63 is not really coming from people

01:58:28.380 Who have ever cared about children

01:58:29.620 So go give that a watch

01:58:31.700 Thank you so much for watching

01:58:33.800 Love you guys

01:58:34.760 You guys have been great

01:58:37.000 And until next time

01:58:39.700 We'll see you later

01:58:44.360 Talk to you soon.

01:58:49.940 Yeah.

01:58:50.260 Yeah.

01:59:14.360 Thank you.

01:59:44.360 We'll be right back.

Greg Wycliffe - December 10, 2024

🔴Lawyer Analysis of C-63🔴Does it protect Children？🔴SaveFreeSpeech.ca🔴StopBillC63

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