Greg Wycliffe - LIVE DEBATE!🔴What's a Canadian？🔴PPC Pandering to Hindus？🔴Political Solution？ 🔴#stopbillc63

00:00:00.000 here and all they see is us hating ourselves so why on earth would they even consider assimilating

00:00:04.740 we bring in way too many people to even try to assimilate assimilation is a fantasy that is based

00:00:11.100 on having a strong enough culture that people are aspiring aspiring to be part of it and what this

00:00:15.740 picture is has been conflated I feel with what uh Pierre Polyab has done with dressing up like in

00:00:23.180 Chinese pajamas and dressing up with a turban and doing all the ethnic routine dances saying look

00:00:29.700 i can be just like you this is the inverse of that it's still a bit cringy i agree with uh

00:00:35.140 ferryman who says you know it's not a great look but i don't agree with the hyperbole of rest in

00:00:39.620 peace canada it's over they've betrayed me they've betrayed me that is a conflation and to me that's

00:00:44.740 a fantasy um and it comes from a place where i believe that the group doing it wants to be a

00:00:52.420 political party half and the other half uh either want to be in ppc but it seems like the the

00:00:58.820 The rhetoric coming out of Diaglion is, no, we're not hanging out with you.

00:01:03.200 We don't like you.

00:01:04.460 And then it seems like on a dime it can switch to, no, we want to help.

00:01:08.180 And you're alienating us.

00:01:09.580 So I don't know what is the game here.

00:01:13.000 I don't know if it's for clicks, for brand, and we're in a competition brand.

00:01:17.660 I mean, I've seen this happen with Chris Sky and the United front, whatever.

00:01:22.180 I don't even remember what it was now.

00:01:24.000 But I've seen this happen time and time again, where people think that PPC is stealing from them and there's a jealousy that's imprinted in this.

00:01:32.140 And it's really just it's no boardroom meeting where PPC made a pivot saying we're going after this demographic.

00:01:37.620 It's that Max backs up his candidates and PPC is a big tent.

00:01:41.860 And the same way he backed up a 2019 candidate who said, I think Islam's evil and went to bat for that candidate at the, you know, fury of Canadian media.

00:01:50.660 He backed up his happy-go-lucky, hippie Michael Bader candidate, who I'm not trying to deride Michael.

00:01:56.400 He's an amazing character, and he is very accepting.

00:01:59.800 He's civic nationalist to the bone, and we accept that in PPC.

00:02:04.380 And really what I've seen this become is if you're not ethno-nationalist and we own that term now, you're not getting our support.

00:02:13.560 And that's okay, but that's how I feel this was.

00:02:16.580 I think it was a moment of Michael Bader took a call that this sounds like a great idea.

00:02:21.200 It wasn't a great idea, but it wasn't some final nail in the coffin.

00:02:24.700 Only if you've always been on that perch, which I'm used to seeing.

00:02:27.520 I'm used to people looking for a reason to tap out.

00:02:30.020 And I felt that PPC has always been in a competition between the blue pill, people that take the easy way out, and the black pill, which is people that are very strong.

00:02:38.620 But their anger is being misdirected into thinking that they can't do anything politically, which is what a lot of Canada's tyranny and undercover force has done.

00:02:48.220 And every time they want to try Canadians as domestic terrorists, the first thing they say is they were not pursuing any political solutions.

00:02:54.760 So I think it's a trap to go into that mess. And even if it's not a trap, it's not hurting you.

00:02:59.960 I feel like Diaglion and PPC are non-overlapping magisteria where you're a patriot group, we're a political party, you have no rules and you can push the edge as much as you want, but you can't expect public figures to join you in your edge competition.

00:03:13.440 I don't know if that's three minutes.

00:03:14.480 I'm hoping you'll cut me off because I'm not looking at you.

00:03:16.240 No, no, that's perfect.

00:03:17.440 That was just under four minutes.

00:03:19.020 So, Ferryman, you can have up to four minutes.

00:03:20.600 I wasn't going to cut you off because it sounded like you were wrapping it up.

00:03:24.120 Feel free.

00:03:24.600 You know I go on too much.

00:03:25.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:26.160 So, Ferryman, you got up to four minutes now.

00:03:27.980 all right so first of all this specific incident with the hindu group um i mean whether or not it

00:03:35.620 was pandering is pretty subjective it's opinion based i would argue that it was a form of pandering

00:03:41.780 obviously it's not on the same level as the pandering that pierre polyev or justin trudeau

00:03:47.180 engages in or even jagmeet singh for that matter however it was a form of pandering

00:03:51.560 to a specific block of immigrants in this country, which is the immigrants who understand

00:03:58.900 that the heat is being turned up on anti-immigration rhetoric, and they don't want to be

00:04:03.940 lumped in with the other immigrants that showed up here yesterday.

00:04:07.760 So to me, this group is probably a higher IQ immigrant.

00:04:12.260 They probably understand.

00:04:13.740 They're probably reading the room and realizing that there's a lot of anti-Indian sentiment

00:04:19.100 in the country right now.

00:04:20.520 And it might be a good idea to get on board

00:04:22.800 with the people who are trying to stop it

00:04:24.620 because this is not really a great situation

00:04:27.060 for us to be in right now.

00:04:28.420 So 100%, in my mind, it was a form of pandering. 1.00

00:04:31.440 It was a form of pandering to the immigrants 0.99

00:04:34.200 who don't want to be lumped in with the bad immigrants. 0.98

00:04:37.540 Now you can, you know, it's up to you 0.99

00:04:39.720 whether or not you think that's a good move.

00:04:41.440 I think it was very obviously a terrible move from the PPC.

00:04:45.300 I would argue that in fact,

00:04:46.640 it was such a poor political maneuver maneuver it speaks to incompetence um the very fact that

00:04:52.960 they would show up to a an explicitly hindu group uh for any circumstance for any reason whatsoever

00:04:59.200 um is mind mind-boggling to me um the last thing that any canadian wants to see right now or

00:05:06.840 specifically any conservative left or right-leaning or nationalistic minded canadian wants to see 0.99

00:05:12.420 right now is another politician taking a photo with a group of indians nobody wants to see that

00:05:18.520 right now and the fact that maxine bernier and michael bader couldn't figure that out before

00:05:23.720 they did it and then even went to the process of of posting it speaks to them not really

00:05:29.700 understanding where canadians are at now i would also add that the fact that maxine bernier had to

00:05:35.620 add that he was not pandering kind of speaks to the fact that he was or at least that he was afraid

00:05:40.560 it would be construed that way the the just the fact that he had to deny that he was pandering

00:05:45.540 is a very strange thing to do it's kind of like a what an odd thing to say moment like why would

00:05:50.920 you say that if you're not it's just a weird um you know framing of the situation and then on top

00:05:57.280 of that lastly uh when it comes to the pandering aspect of this there's another group that is being

00:06:02.520 pandered to that you know is kind of the subtext to this um what what max the the i and i think the

00:06:09.380 primary group that maxine bernier was pandering to with this uh debacle was actually self-hating

00:06:15.800 or at least white guilt-ridden canadians um this is the same phenomena that we see with trump

00:06:22.880 with blacks for trump and latinos for trump and all this stuff and how he talks about how he's 0.96

00:06:27.880 the best president for blacks and how he loves black people and all this stuff the reality is

00:06:32.860 that um he knows they're not going to vote for him did you really believe that he thought he was

00:06:38.020 going to turn a sizable portion of the black population to vote Republican? No, of course

00:06:42.980 not. The people that he's actually pandering to whenever he does this, you know, I love black

00:06:47.520 people. I love Latinos. I love, you know, whoever is actually white people. He's trying to convince

00:06:52.720 these white people that are riddled with self, you know, loathing and guilt that he's not racist

00:06:59.120 and you're not racist if you support him and it's okay. So again, it's a very bizarre way of going 0.62

00:07:05.800 about it but that's what he was doing now on top of that i don't know how much time i have can i

00:07:10.420 get a time check there greg just because i want to uh yeah you got about a minute okay i'll just

00:07:14.980 wrap up here lastly um the the fact that this group was not vetted by the ppc again just speaks

00:07:22.960 to what a terrible political maneuver this was if you do a cursory search into this group you'll

00:07:29.140 discover that they explicitly engage in identity politics which is hilarious to me because you can

00:07:35.020 go look on their website they openly talk about how they uh they seek to uh introduce policies

00:07:42.220 that benefit minorities in canada they're explicitly a hindu advocacy group that aims

00:07:48.400 to advocate for hindus in canada and and also globally so they're not just a canadian group

00:07:53.360 they're actually a global group so the idea that this is like not identity like it's so strange

00:07:57.920 to me that maxine bernier would say i'm not playing identity politics while taking a photograph with

00:08:03.140 a group that explicitly engages in identity politics. And then lastly, just to wrap this up,

00:08:08.560 when you say that this is an inversion of pandering, that it's Hindus for Bernier,

00:08:14.380 I find that fascinating as well, because basically what you're saying is, and you did this with Trump

00:08:18.600 as well, you listed blacks for Trump, Latinos for Trump, whatever group for Trump. What about

00:08:23.460 whites for Trump? It's funny to me, because it seems like you're actually okay with identity 0.76

00:08:28.460 politics and that the ppc is totally okay with identity politics as long as it's a form of

00:08:33.780 identity politics that aligns with the ppc so it's okay if it's hindus for bernier that's fine if it

00:08:40.520 if it's hindus for paulieb all of a sudden that's a problem and this just speaks to as you you got

00:08:45.980 into the identity crisis that canadians have and this problem with this this self-loathing and

00:08:52.220 uh white guilt that we possess and we need to get past that i'll end it there okay thanks

00:08:58.940 very much so um trans if you'd like you know attack part of ferryman's argument or maybe

00:09:06.040 ask him a question or kind of share share what's on your mind based on uh based on ferryman's

00:09:11.380 opening statement uh yeah i'm sure he does he want to take a stab at responding to mine first

00:09:19.900 or do you want me to respond to what he just said um what do you want what do you want ferryman to

00:09:24.040 respond to i'm fine with going first no no it's just if he had anything like you know other than

00:09:29.360 the question and he did address some points of what i said so it kind of was a response to mine

00:09:33.640 but if he'd like to i don't know i just felt fair but i'm happy to go um yeah i i think what he said

00:09:40.160 was if there's no lumping together uh of these groups i i represented that this is a sliver of

00:09:46.160 people and no matter if they have some agenda that is secretly hindustani first or on their

00:09:50.920 webpage and they need to be vetted it was a political stunt for them it was them wearing

00:09:55.560 a shirt saying live in the country you support or support the country you live in or live in the

00:10:00.000 country you support so it's the same way that people would say max is pro mask because he was

00:10:05.100 jokingly wearing a mask that said ppc on it halfway around his chin um if if you want to

00:10:11.480 exaggerate it into something that's massive and ending for ppc you can do that but i think it was

00:10:17.100 just him backing up a candidate that said yes to a phone call and that was it it wasn't some

00:10:22.340 boardroom meeting about the direction of ppc needs to be to pander to these groups and again when he

00:10:26.440 says i'm engaging into identity politics or when when max is engaging that no identity political

00:10:31.220 groups which were all organized under uh are approaching max it's not the inverse of that

00:10:36.160 it's not him going to if this group has some agenda for hindustan then they're going to hit

00:10:40.720 a brick wall the same way anyone that wanted max to weigh in on israel after the october 7th attacks

00:10:45.840 hit a brick wall and he said no i'm canada first it's a very simple repetitive answer for anyone

00:10:49.820 that wants to pander their group no i'm canada first you can all have an equal playing field

00:10:53.280 here and if you don't fit in with the monoculture monoculture that canada is that was created by

00:10:58.680 white europeans and they can take full credit for that if you're not good at fitting into that 0.91

00:11:02.940 society you're going to fail in the society and you're going to go somewhere else but it's up to 0.87

00:11:06.620 him to just provide the environment for people to behave in and if they don't behave at least

00:11:11.240 you've got a civic nationalist uh who is letting all people in but he's not saying you can exist

00:11:18.240 here if you don't jive with the white european created society that made canada great so there's

00:11:23.780 other stuff but i don't know how much time i have um did you want trump's black vote shift was

00:11:29.660 enormous it was you know normally he the republicans get a fraction of the black vote and he

00:11:34.400 turn that into like a split so it was crucial the black vote was crucial he got a combined like 15

00:11:40.660 of the black vote which is a little bit more but not really what are you talking about when when

00:11:47.680 it's 51 to 50 or to 49 it's it's massive like when when the margins are so small getting any

00:11:56.000 bump on that is is good it's he loses if it goes down it's what i'm telling you see this is what i

00:12:01.580 think is so fascinating because you've brought up blacks for trump uh in our last conversation

00:12:05.480 you mentioned you know latinos for trump being i think you actually said latinos for trump is the

00:12:10.440 reason that that he won like that was the difference maker latinos for trump no i wouldn't

00:12:16.280 say that that was the one thing that got on it's it's everything it's not being exclusive it's not

00:12:21.000 you know he didn't hire nick fuentes as his campaign manager is what i mean but but the the

00:12:26.160 one thing that you know everybody kind of conveniently skirts around is the fact that

00:12:30.540 trump won that election because of white people overwhelmingly you can say we're taking it for

00:12:36.700 granted but i don't think oh sorry am i allowed to do that let me just let you go sorry fairman

00:12:41.220 i'll just let you go so well i mean there's there's a lot that we could dissect here and i

00:12:45.620 want to keep the obviously i want to keep the conversation constructive and so part of the

00:12:50.000 problem here is that we have different definitions of things and i think that like a valuable exercise

00:12:56.180 here would be for us to define certain terms so that we can proceed with this discussion knowing

00:13:03.020 what each other is talking about so for example this question gets brought up a lot and it's

00:13:08.040 something that's uh you know pretty important in in today's culture which you know where we have

00:13:13.260 this canadian identity crisis which is what is a canadian uh very few people can give a definitive

00:13:19.020 answer to that question it almost always depends on some kind of subjective or vague uh you know

00:13:26.560 interpretation it's usually a civic nationalist definition and this is a huge problem because

00:13:33.060 by by definition if if it's determined by values or some kind of subjective uh you know language

00:13:43.040 that means that really it's anyone as long as they ascribe to it so like what is your definition of

00:13:50.240 a canadian alex i i think we might push that off to a little later because we're going to have

00:13:56.180 ricardo deshane come in but that's a good teaser isn't that one of the topics anyways though greg

00:14:01.340 isn't that like i mean if you want to go for it now i i kind of wanted to focus on this tweet

00:14:06.180 in on this tweet a little bit more because i just think it would be valuable because it's in the

00:14:11.060 tweet so for example Maxine Bernier says that's how we unite Canadians from different backgrounds

00:14:16.120 sure but that's my question is is what is a Canadian because the people in this picture

00:14:20.700 these Hindus to me they are not Canadian by definition they're not Canadian so if he's

00:14:25.640 talking about uniting with these people I fundamentally disagree they're not Canadian 0.99

00:14:30.120 I do not want to unite with them because I don't view them as my kin or my folk so like this is a

00:14:36.040 huge yeah that's no nationalist yeah and and so you know i'll give my definition because i have

00:14:41.540 no problem with it i believe that a canadian canadians are a european diaspora population

00:14:46.400 who's who explored settled founded and built the nation of canada or the country of canada

00:14:52.220 and that is the definite now you may not like that definition you may take issue with that for

00:14:57.860 all kinds of reason but the the one thing you can't deny is that it's explicit i've just said

00:15:03.500 this is what i believe a canadian is it's factual it's determined it's uh immutable like you can't

00:15:10.460 you know say like oh well what about this or what about that i mean i've just said very clearly what

00:15:15.500 i think a canadian is and so you know language is important understanding people is important

00:15:21.980 so when i say canadian i am referring to the european diaspora population that founded settled

00:15:28.860 built this country just what what do you what does max mean when he says canadian what do you mean

00:15:34.860 when you say canadian i i just i actually just want to ask you a question real quick fairy

00:15:39.100 how does because this is on the red end sign red ensign uh flag as well how does how and you know

00:15:46.220 let me be a lefty for a second here um what about the native people who are also on that flag

00:15:52.700 do they incorporate to to the definition in your mind yes sir what native people on the flag

00:15:58.500 isn't there three uh like no this is some kind of weird myth that was started there there's no

00:16:05.760 um explanation there's no historical significance behind the three leaves other than that's what

00:16:11.980 uh you know a maple leaf branch looks like it's usually three leaves connected by one branch so

00:16:17.940 this idea that it represents the metis the the first nations and the inuit is nonsense it's

00:16:23.880 something that was applied retroactively probably by a civic nationalist but i don't know who um this

00:16:29.620 is just one of those uh myths sure okay debunked i am glad however i'm really glad that you brought

00:16:36.820 up the first nations and here's why because we have a very good example of modern day ethno

00:16:44.080 nationalism in Canada right now that everybody almost universally agrees to and has no issue with

00:16:52.020 and it is the ethno-nationalism of the First Nations people. I was born I've been told on the

00:16:58.480 unceded unsurrendered territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabek people okay I was born in Ottawa

00:17:04.760 does that make me Algonquin does that make me Anishinaabek or whatever the word is

00:17:10.380 No. So for some reason, we understand that you can only be Algonquin or Cree or Mohawk or Ojibwe or Mi'kmaq or any of these things by blood.

00:17:22.880 And the funny thing is, it's not even transferable between First Nations. 0.79

00:17:26.780 An Ojibwe can't go join the Cree First Nation, at least not implicitly.

00:17:31.660 They would have to be accepted into it. I don't know if that ever occurs. 0.81

00:17:34.760 but it's a perfect example of where ethno-nationalism exists in this country and

00:17:39.620 nobody bats an eye at it but whenever a canadian a year and my definition of a canadian asserts

00:17:46.160 that they are an explicit you know ethnic group all of a sudden that that is racist it's called

00:17:51.580 into question and it needs to be you know shut down so this is this is a perfect example of

00:17:57.300 where you know rules for the uh rules for me but not for thee when it comes to ethno-nationalism

00:18:04.000 and again nobody has an issue with this everybody knows that it makes perfect sense that i'm not

00:18:09.020 algonquin just because i was born on algonquin territory so what is the issue with canadians

00:18:15.220 asserting themselves as a specific and exclusive ethnic group why is that a problem so i but just

00:18:22.880 to you know nail down these definitions here so in your mind uh algonquins are algonquins they're

00:18:28.920 actually not canadians and like these different first nations first nations in my mind too in my

00:18:33.860 mine too like i'm a civ that and i think they might should be but uh i don't think they are

00:18:38.420 i think they live on reserves and they live exclusive with exclusive rights they can fish

00:18:42.240 as much as they want i got a white man can't i got a curveball what about the metis people

00:18:47.540 which is uh an ethnic makeup of like you know like french fur traders and uh various native

00:18:53.920 i thought they're just white people who want to be on the privilege scale

00:18:56.560 well that's how it often plays out in modern times but that's actually a perfect example so

00:19:02.600 if you take the Métis, they are two ethnic peoples that merged into one group that have

00:19:08.160 a distinct culture. Now, the interesting thing is that Métis culture, at least in early Canadian

00:19:13.260 history, was not so different from Quebecois culture early on. But for some reason, we

00:19:18.000 understand that the Métis and the Quebecois are not the same thing, despite the fact that there's

00:19:22.840 a large overlap between them, both culturally and ethnically. So for some reason, we understand

00:19:29.180 that when you mix two groups you get something new which is exactly what happened in canada we

00:19:34.220 mixed european peoples and we got something new right and so one of the another one of the issues

00:19:39.980 i take with something that trans said earlier is he likes to define canadian culture or what it

00:19:45.580 means to be canadian as a multi-ethnic monocultural society and this is a complete actually it's an

00:19:53.820 inverse of what canadian actually used to be we used to be a multicultural but mono-racial society

00:20:01.740 we had french irish scottish english these were all different cultures that merged together

00:20:07.340 and yes those different cultures remain distinct it's why we have acadian and quebecois and you

00:20:13.180 know the cowboy prairies and all this stuff these were different cultures that merged but they were

00:20:18.300 monoracial and it's only in modern times that the inverse has become the truth where it's supposed

00:20:24.320 to be and it's not monocultural which i think actually trans would agree with there is absolutely

00:20:29.060 no monoculture in this country whatsoever so to call it that is is is a miss uh you know no i

00:20:35.440 don't i don't think it is ferryman i think it should be i don't i definitely don't think we're

00:20:39.720 a monoculture i think we're an absolute mess of multicultural i actually disagree i think canada

00:20:45.220 should be monoracial and we can keep our multicultural aspect because the multiculturalism

00:20:49.940 of the quebecois and the english and irish and scottish and to a lesser extent other european

00:20:55.080 peoples actually merged very well assimilation for some reason actually works whenever it's with

00:21:01.300 you know your ethnic kin and that's the difference because the truth is that there's really not that

00:21:07.020 much difference between the dutch and the english when it comes to uh religion or uh beliefs uh you

00:21:14.800 know cultural systems values they're very similar the major difference is language and once you

00:21:20.400 bridge that barrier it's really not that big of a problem is it and if you want a perfect example

00:21:25.060 of that look at the ukrainians we've taken in hundreds of thousands of ukrainians in this

00:21:30.020 country in the last uh two years or two and a half years do you see them waving their flags

00:21:36.360 in the streets of ottawa and toronto every weekend do you see them fighting with other ethnic groups

00:21:42.560 constantly for some reason the ethnic ukrainians were somehow able to merge into canadian society 0.65

00:21:48.560 almost seamlessly aside from the accents they they seem to fit right in whereas for some reason

00:21:55.280 indians do not it's almost like there's an ethnic thing at play here or a racial thing at play here 1.00

00:22:01.600 and ignoring that is is going to be our downfall okay that we've gotten a good idea of what ferryman

00:22:08.800 defines as a canadian uh trans let's hear more uh from your perspective on answering this question

00:22:15.420 on what a canadian is yeah well a canadian is what ferryman said but a canadian citizen

00:22:22.380 is unless you're not going to accept the citizenship be issued to immigrants is people

00:22:28.400 of any color at the moment and i agree with him that i would love to have a discriminatory process

00:22:33.840 for who we allow into the country that they need to be compatible with the society we live in but 0.92

00:22:38.560 there is a huge number of people that we can't just put a knife down the middle and say you're 0.99

00:22:44.180 not white so you've got to go that gets rid of you know karima and jeremy's lawyer and i don't know

00:22:50.720 when when ferryman says stuff like this it's such 20 years in the future you haven't mapped this out

00:22:57.200 unless you want an immediate collapse and a negan like dystopian state where you round up anyone of 0.97

00:23:03.760 color without regard to their character then this is an impossible thing that only makes you

00:23:09.640 completely politically toxic so it's not realistic in the least and i haven't heard a framework for 0.60

00:23:15.500 all the bluster about we need i i agree i agree that white should be proud of themselves and no

00:23:21.160 one suffers at the hands of the marxist privilege scale white straight capitalist men have been put

00:23:27.080 on a pyre in the privilege scale to burn as a scapegoat for all other races that are having

00:23:31.940 trouble assimilating to our culture. I get all that, but we must deal with the situation that

00:23:37.160 we currently find ourselves in and to get any kind of a playing field where all cultures can

00:23:42.200 participate equally and people will see for themselves like, hmm, unless I behave like the

00:23:47.040 white European culture, I don't seem to be thriving in this society. Perhaps I'll go when I don't have 0.82

00:23:52.000 the welfare mechanisms that are going to reward me based on how racialized I am. Perhaps I'm going

00:23:57.120 to go we can only solve the problems ferryman's talking about with a populist meritocracy not a 0.97

00:24:03.760 heading to wall street and say get the jews out and everything will be good that is a drastic 0.63

00:24:08.480 caricature that in the near term doesn't allow us to realize goals of just having a monoculture that 0.81

00:24:13.680 is based in the utopian state that ferryman espouses that whites created everything and

00:24:18.400 it works really great i say let every ethnicity participate in that culture and if they succeed

00:24:25.280 they will stay and you will be happy with them and they will be the karimas and they will be

00:24:28.560 the jeremy's lawyer and if you're not happy with them they won't be making money and they will not

00:24:32.560 be staying here but in order to get to that reality where people can actually live and thrive

00:24:38.080 it's not like whites are doing remarkably well right now and the excuses i'm hearing for the 0.99

00:24:41.840 low fertility rates is once we get this problem sorted and we do this dream of driving around 1.00

00:24:47.040 with vans getting colored people out of here i'm going to start having kids after that that's 0.89

00:24:51.280 obscene that is there must be whites working for their own good and not just hating and blaming 0.91

00:24:57.360 everything else because that is the trap that has been leading everyone around and keeping everyone 0.87

00:25:01.380 divided from the beginning instead of building yourself up to who you want to be in your 1.00

00:25:05.740 community getting in touch with the church getting in touch with having five fucking kids per family 0.99

00:25:09.900 just because and if you don't have enough money kids have a way of getting you to not spend as 0.99

00:25:14.120 much on alcohol and drugs and getting lost in your obsessions of making batman uh more fucked up so 0.90

00:25:19.720 you can still enjoy being an adolescent at the age of 35 we have a lot of work to do in the white 1.00

00:25:25.120 community that doesn't involve pointing fingers at everyone else saying this fucking sucks you 1.00

00:25:29.440 fucking suck and politics fucking sucks so i think you were touching on a number of things there 1.00

00:25:35.380 trans i think at the end there i like to call this sort of dichotomy uh if you saw my recent 1.00

00:25:41.580 remembrance day video i talk about self-respect and really loving your people and that's kind of 0.99

00:25:48.000 where the strength comes from to assert yourself and to say like no we need to deport these people

00:25:52.620 because i have respect for myself and my people uh whereas i think what trans was referring to

00:25:58.040 there is that sometimes people it's not so much about self-respect and loving your own people

00:26:03.340 it's actually about hating others and resenting others and i do think that is something like you

00:26:10.140 know i think people should be able to express themselves and be and be and be hateful and be

00:26:14.080 angry I think it's actually a very important thing however when people get possessed by their

00:26:19.220 hatred and their resentment and it becomes all about that I think that can be a destructive

00:26:24.480 and dangerous and unproductive thing because it's like I said it's not coming from that place of

00:26:29.360 of wanting the best for your people it's coming from a sort of negative place but if you wanted

00:26:35.300 to respond to that fairy and maybe respond to something else Tran said yeah I would first start

00:26:40.460 by saying look the it's very easy to say hate is bad um but the reality is that hate is a

00:26:48.640 a consequence of having the things which you love threatened without a deep hatred of that

00:26:56.360 which threatens uh which we love um you know it's not really love is it

00:27:02.120 that's what i would say to that if you don't hate that which threatens what you love

00:27:08.800 you don't really love that thing um so this this is just you know the natural emotions but i'd like

00:27:15.160 to come back to again civic nationalism um because this is a major talking point it's it's it's

00:27:21.820 fundamentally like a paradoxical uh ideology um just right right off the bat with by definition

00:27:29.660 it makes no sense uh nation is uh derived from the english word nation right old english word

00:27:37.520 dates back to the 1500s it means race um it which is you know it's also rooted in the french word

00:27:44.560 uh natia i think which is again it means race and it's rooted fundamentally in the latin word

00:27:52.920 nationem which means race like this is what nationalism is the the entire development of

00:28:00.440 modern political state what we refer to as the nation state is is essentially ethno-nationalism 0.87

00:28:07.440 that's why serbians want their own state and swedes want their own state and germans want

00:28:12.200 their own state etc etc on down the line nationalism is ethno-nationalism by definition

00:28:17.780 the only reason that we refer to nationalism as ethno-nationalism or civic nationalism in

00:28:23.600 modernity is because of the bastardization of things like civic nationalism which was coined

00:28:29.380 in 1944 by the Jew Hans Cohen. So this is a relatively modern, you know, version of nationalism.

00:28:38.080 And again, too, I wonder why, you know, that particular tribe would feel the need to dilute

00:28:44.960 what nationalism means in a way that is more inclusive of them. You know, it's a very interesting

00:28:50.900 take on nationalism, isn't it? And so again, this is only in the post-war era that this really kicks

00:28:57.620 off um and and if we if we again history is important understanding where we come from is

00:29:03.340 important um this this whole civic nationalist stuff even in the canadian context doesn't begin

00:29:10.540 until the 1960s um and it doesn't even really begin in earnest until the 1990s or early 2000s

00:29:17.960 and the demographic replacement doesn't really begin in earnest until you know 2010 like that's

00:29:25.080 whenever it really got crazy and so when I was born in this country in 1989 it was 90 percent

00:29:31.180 European at the end of the second world war it was 97 percent European the idea that like this

00:29:38.280 whole we need to include other ethnic groups as part of the Canadian population is a modern thing

00:29:44.020 and in fact it goes back to the people that I would suspect most of the listeners right now

00:29:49.340 despise it's pierre elliott trudeau like that's where a lot of this stuff comes from this this

00:29:55.840 modern version of canada as a multicultural state begins under well to an extent lester b

00:30:01.820 pearson but really in earnest under underneath pierre elliott trudeau and so to say basically

00:30:07.420 when you say like oh i want canadian to go back to the 90s what you're saying is you want to go

00:30:12.040 back to the multiculturalism before it got too bad which is which is part of the problem here

00:30:16.920 there's this kind of attitude that i see among canadians where they think of

00:30:20.680 um you know the great replacement or demographic change as beginning under trudeau which is

00:30:26.400 nonsense the only reason trudeau was able to crank it up to 11 is because his dad and lester

00:30:31.560 b pearson cranked it up to three before 1960 the idea that we would take any immigration from

00:30:37.420 non-european countries was ludicrous and if you don't believe me go back and look at what the

00:30:42.320 leaders of this nation believed until lester b pearson to a lesser extent defen baker kind of

00:30:48.120 yielded onto on it but i can i can give you quotes if you want and many of you have heard them

00:30:53.820 sir john a mcdonald you know i i if if i might i want to read these because i feel like this is

00:30:59.840 this is valid information that needs to be discussed more explicitly uh if you want we

00:31:07.220 could we could i could say some stuff trans could say some stuff and you could find a tweet

00:31:10.960 potentially that says this or would that take too long i have it oh you have it okay um

00:31:16.400 do you have it now there's something i wanted to respond to there go for it if you want them first

00:31:22.360 yeah so like you know this sounds like a pretty grand project and i think this is kind of part of

00:31:29.720 the issue here where it's like well like you i irrespectfully i think ferryman you are a radical

00:31:36.200 and your beliefs i think it's a good thing i like to have you around i think your point of view is

00:31:40.340 is very very compelling and but you're essentially saying we need to make canada a white country and

00:31:49.740 deport everyone who isn't white like is is that is that i was gonna say is that is that what you

00:31:57.980 believe or is what do you like what is the sort of dream goal you have hold on hold on hold on 0.95

00:32:03.380 what is your dream goal and also is there any other sort of replica or case study where this

00:32:09.680 has happened in europe or something or other uh that could be used as a model that's actually

00:32:15.100 realistic and accomplishing yeah so first of all look it's it's trans said this it's very hard to

00:32:23.020 predict in the future how this would play out and yes i understand that this is something that would

00:32:26.660 need to be done incrementally but it will never happen if we don't first identify what a canadian

00:32:32.960 is and assert that this is what we want and on top of this I would add that I am Canadian first

00:32:40.340 I am not Canada first Canada is a state okay it's a government that's that's what we're talking

00:32:47.300 about I am about protecting and preserving the Canadian people I want us to keep our unique

00:32:53.120 identity I don't want us to be diluted and turned into you know some kind of uh you know

00:32:58.720 colorgy brown kind of soup okay i want us to to maintain our european character and i want us to

00:33:05.280 exist if that requires the dissolution of the state of canada i'm okay with that because

00:33:11.120 ultimately canada is a name canadian is a name we can be rebranded right we've done it before we we

00:33:17.840 we were english we were scottish we were this and we became canadian and it's distinct it is unique

00:33:23.920 so i'm not so concerned with preserving the state of canada which it seems to me is what the ppc

00:33:30.480 is is largely concerned with is preventing the state of canada from falling into complete

00:33:35.760 disrepair i'm okay with that that doesn't bother me at all as long as canadians discover their

00:33:41.360 their tribal instincts and realize that they are unique people they do have a right to exist

00:33:46.640 and they have just as much of a claim to a national identity as any other group of people

00:33:51.920 And I'm tired of us pretending that we have to sell that identity to everybody else. So yes,

00:33:59.260 is it complex? Is it something that would be messy? Of course it is. But even the PPC's own

00:34:06.060 plan would be incredibly messy. I've read the PPC's immigration policy. What do you think

00:34:11.380 deporting a million illegals looks like? That's roughly how many illegals there are in this

00:34:15.780 country, 600,000 to 1 million. What do you think that looks like? Do you think that looks like

00:34:21.240 sunshines and rainbows and chocolate cake no that's what you're talking about is loading women

00:34:27.560 and children and their and obviously men onto planes and boats at gunpoint while they cry

00:34:34.000 and beg you to stay that's what you're talking about and so whenever i i see people afraid of

00:34:40.060 being called racist afraid of you know what is the media going to say or what is the optics of

00:34:45.240 this how is this going to be perceived i don't believe you have the stomach to do what needs

00:34:49.480 to be done because as we saw it it's very easy for the media to make people feel guilty and to

00:34:55.140 make them feel empathy for immigrants we saw it with the syrian boy on the beaches of wherever

00:35:01.100 it was turkey or greece we saw it you know recently at the border where you know they had 0.87

00:35:05.900 children i think it was staged crawling through barbed wire at the southern border and we saw it

00:35:11.700 in you know whatever it was 2016 or with the you know children in camps being separated from their

00:35:17.400 parents you like if you truly believe that you're going to execute mass deportations you better get

00:35:23.580 a tougher stomach if you think that i'm too extreme i don't think you have the guts to do

00:35:28.840 what actually needs to be done to save this country the state or the people and if you don't

00:35:33.980 that's fine get out of the way because there are people who do have the stomach for this fight

00:35:38.700 okay can i go yeah sure okay well we're talking about a political party that's why i've had a

00:35:47.380 problem with what you're saying you're you just admitted i'm a black pillar i don't want the state

00:35:51.480 the state is politic we are a political party dude so you said i don't want the state to win 0.61

00:35:57.240 or i don't want this society to keep going and if that means we all get stronger that's a black

00:36:01.720 pill admitted that's fine that's what i've always said let me clarify no you can continue but let

00:36:06.440 me clarify i said i don't care if the state of canada continues fine with it continuing if if

00:36:12.920 it goes in the right direction but i'm also not like i'm not going to cry and lose sleep over the

00:36:17.880 canadian government falling into disrepair and some kind of dissolution of confederation occurring

00:36:23.400 where we have this balkanization process or this reordering of you know the canadian territory

00:36:28.760 that doesn't really bother me so i'm not yeah i'm not you know going to lose sleep over the

00:36:34.200 canadian state falling apart but it's not necessarily that i want it okay there's a big

00:36:38.920 difference no okay hold on trans if you're going to use the term black pillar then can you define

00:36:44.380 kind of more what that means giving up on political solutions there's no point all politicians are the

00:36:49.920 same the establishment populace both conflated as being uh part of the same problem it's a heuristic

00:36:55.080 used uh to make life simple and not have faith in any politician again which i you know sympathize

00:37:00.960 with but i think populism is anti-politics and we're regularly demonized and we're regularly

00:37:05.800 going against what the media establishes in the narrative. So we actually take a lot of arrows

00:37:10.400 for things and we are not the pussies you think we are. And there is a legitimate justification 1.00

00:37:15.260 for deporting illegals. There is no justification for a helter-skelter race war approach that is 0.65

00:37:21.680 ill-defined and hasn't been thought out. So I think in every regard, if you're in control of

00:37:26.580 the government with a populist government, you simply turn off the tap to welfare and most of

00:37:31.040 the problem takes care of itself but if it does come down to the military in 2019 max was promising

00:37:36.520 putting the military on the border to stop rocks and road to do all kinds of things and our military

00:37:41.320 protecting its own borders would actually be a use of our military that has some pride in their

00:37:46.220 own country and protecting borders which is the context of nationalism that we colloquially talk

00:37:51.100 about these days is more our state first not the global un state where we hand our sovereignty over

00:37:56.780 to unelected bureaucrats so that's when i use the term nationalist that's why we're demonized as

00:38:00.840 nationalists in the media so i i really think that uh what else did you say you said something

00:38:05.680 about you want to be i don't want it to be back in the 90s i want to go 50s i want people naming 0.96

00:38:10.060 their kids weird shit like hap day and punch imlac and all kinds of crazy shit but we can't 0.74

00:38:15.300 have that we've got to deal with the cards we're dealt and i don't think that you've defined a way 0.99

00:38:19.420 to adjudicate who stays and who goes and in that vein it is politically non-existent the society

00:38:26.700 that has gone strict ethno state in the realm of politics but then again you just admitted

00:38:31.500 politics isn't your first priority so i think we can agree to disagree you can say that this is a

00:38:37.200 dream for the future but we're working in the present with a political party so i don't i don't

00:38:41.180 think it's fair of you to demand things in the patriot group where there's no rules and there's

00:38:47.200 no names associated and use public political figures as your human shields to if i agree it's

00:38:53.860 tough to get out in the streets and say mass deportations without a mask on but then again

00:38:57.960 you're saying i'm not getting bored on your political party unless you publicly do that

00:39:01.220 with your name behind it it's politics is downstream from culture and the culture in

00:39:05.680 canada especially with white people is rock bottom we should rebuild a pride in ourselves 0.71

00:39:10.580 we should be addressing the fact i'm with you on the fact of the cultural marxist that took over

00:39:15.700 i'm with you on the fact that pierre trudeau unleashed hell on canada by opening up multiculturalism

00:39:21.120 and using state-subsidized media to say multiculturalism is a good thing 20 times a day to brainwash everyone.

00:39:26.140 I understand where that came from, too.

00:39:27.940 I understand the Trilateral Commission's a big new Brzezinski saying that he's going to take liberal freedoms away from people

00:39:33.200 by pitting groups against each other, the Frankfurt School defining us into all these little groups

00:39:38.700 where all we care about is our little slice and we attack each other.

00:39:42.120 We can unify in the short term under civic nationalism to at least provide an arena

00:39:47.520 where we can have a culture that if you're not good at white culture that we built here you

00:39:52.900 aren't going to thrive here and you're not getting a handout for being here all problems take care

00:39:57.780 of themselves in that uh in that genre i'm not saying that it solves everything but you also

00:40:03.360 don't have a plan so it's like we're dealing in the here and now with public figures and you're

00:40:08.220 talking about the in the future once this and this happens and it's not political so i don't know what

00:40:14.340 we're arguing anymore well so for like to say that we don't have a plan is incorrect we do have a

00:40:20.940 plan it's organized white men that is the plan everything that needs to be accomplished has to

00:40:26.020 be done through organized white men and until we figure out how to do that so i like to use this

00:40:31.360 analogy you've got a problem here which is a broken engine and everybody's sitting around

00:40:36.120 speculating about how you're going to fix the engine but you don't have the tools so you can

00:40:41.020 talk like and this is the thing with the ppc you guys can talk all you want about what policies

00:40:45.740 you're going to implement whenever you get power but you don't have power and you're not going to

00:40:49.980 have power anytime soon and the fact is your biggest base the the the demographic with which

00:40:56.980 the ppc can draw on more than any in this country is pissed off white men that is your number one

00:41:03.840 demographic and you may not like it but a huge chunk of those men are what most people call

00:41:09.660 racist and there's more of them every day canadians become more racially conscious by the minute

00:41:16.040 it's literally it's it absolutely correlates with the number of indians and foreigners they flood 0.95

00:41:21.480 into this country the more they pump them in the more aggressive and racist canadians are going to 0.94

00:41:25.900 become and you have expressly said that you don't want the support of racists you don't want the

00:41:31.520 support of those people you you've basically told one of your target demographics probably your 0.99

00:41:36.520 biggest target demographic to go fuck themselves that is a terrible political strategy if you 1.00

00:41:42.060 intend on taking power me i'm different i'm saying if you're a pissed off white man come join us 1.00

00:41:47.540 let's tribe up let's organize let's start putting pressure on these these fucking politicians on 0.99

00:41:53.400 these lobby groups on all these things and that's exactly what we did which is why you and i are 0.98

00:41:57.680 having this conversation right now because we put pressure on the ppc and said we don't like this

00:42:03.500 and you said oh man that's not good like and now you're scrambling to try and put out fires

00:42:09.600 that's exactly what needs to happen when when when a politician engages in this kind of behavior

00:42:15.680 that's unwanted that's exactly what we need to do is throw our weight around as an ethnic

00:42:20.240 collective which every other group in this country does and until white people figure out that you

00:42:27.540 you not using identity politics not tapping into racial collectivism is like trying to fight

00:42:33.620 goliath with a pool noodle you're you're saying and and then and then acting like you're virtuous

00:42:39.840 for not using a sword okay so i want to bring i can respond to that i want to say something

00:42:48.200 really quickly which is my stance because you guys have kind of both given your stance my

00:42:53.700 my stance is kind of in between that which is i think trump tapped into the you know white ethnic

00:43:01.220 vote in 2016 and he did this tactfully he did this with smart messaging he didn't overtly say

00:43:07.180 that he was like you know trying to save the white race or anything like this he had you know he was

00:43:12.100 very strategic in dog whistling to white americans in 2016 and that's a huge reason why he won i

00:43:17.720 think so i think that that solution is somewhere in the middle where you know this this more

00:43:23.060 radical faction that is very racially conscious can exist and still support the ppc and the ppc

00:43:30.480 can still dog whistle to this group and it's like you know everybody wins because the ppc gets to be

00:43:37.500 a more public professional facing group that represents the ideas of the more radical faction

00:43:42.840 you know without counter signaling but that's kind of where where i land in the middle there

00:43:47.520 but uh trans you can hop in here i do kind of want to bring the conversation back closer to

00:43:53.120 reality here in terms of like what we should do now until the next upcoming election to uh and 0.92

00:44:00.840 you know some people might say oh there is no you know fuck elections but no this is a big 0.77

00:44:06.040 opportunity to make our ideas more popular and i think we can all agree that that's a pretty good 0.97

00:44:10.720 goal regardless of where you stand or what kind of flag uh that you're waving right now if you're

00:44:16.380 listening to this space anyway but but trans feel free to hop in and yeah i mean there's aspects of

00:44:23.600 what ferryman does that i am a fan of the fact that you're getting together you're getting uh

00:44:27.780 white men to get off booze and go to the gym and start boxing that's healthy stuff but marshalling

00:44:33.640 hatred is a very unstable thing to do and it's actually there's a long litany of the tyrant 0.53

00:44:39.220 himself pretending to be ppc whether through the warren kinsella project cactus what they are saying

00:44:45.340 and what they infiltrate our groups to tell us to do is not exactly what I want them to do. 0.99

00:44:50.320 That's not me being a pussy, but walking around saying shit skin, jeet's got to go 0.99

00:44:54.100 is not something that flies very well in the political arena. 1.00

00:44:57.080 Now, maybe you will generate enough hatred in the white demographic to make that a political needle mover, 0.96

00:45:03.260 but I think that's absolute political kryptonite.

00:45:05.740 That is exactly what Trudeau wants to insert into PPC so Jagmeet can once again say,

00:45:10.700 why are we allowing Max Bernier, the hateful bigot, on the stage tonight?

00:45:14.920 He did that in 2019 just based on Project Cactus' fake racist jacketing us. 0.79

00:45:20.980 It's not that I think you're racist, it's that the general public at large has been programmed to accept only enough reality in their lives where white people are not allowed to represent themselves. 0.81

00:45:30.620 I am a fan of white people representing themselves, but representing yourself to define yourself by you hate everyone else and mud skin jeep, like that type of talk is hate energy. 0.98

00:45:41.060 What the talk should be is we're going back to church. We're having lots of kids. We're getting together for a barbecue with our many children that we're having. 0.94

00:45:47.540 Those are positive aspects of building up white identitarianism. But being used as a cudgel, there's no precedent of it. 0.96

00:45:54.320 So it's not like you're walking around like a limp, wet noodle. It's there's a precedent of this happening across the world.

00:45:59.660 But in Canada, there's a very strong force at work of state-subsidized media with $700 million going to CTV and Global News and City News and then $1.5 billion going to CBC and people being illuminated.

00:46:12.920 Everyone wants to believe that they know what's going on and they want to spend the least amount of time in their day knowing what's going on.

00:46:18.000 So they are informed by the CBC News.

00:46:19.800 Oh, I don't watch it for the news, it's just for the weather, but you stay for the social programming.

00:46:23.380 So while that Overton window is in a place where people are only accepting of so much reality at the moment, taking on these positions and betting on the fact that you're asking for a conundrum. 0.73

00:46:34.320 OK, PPC goes full on board with white identitarianism. So we'll lose the vote, but we'll gain your demographic.

00:46:39.640 But you're saying the demographic is growing so much that you should want us in your camp.

00:46:43.920 we want stable we're not in competition with diagonal we're not it shouldn't be a throw ppc

00:46:50.660 into the hate fest every night about we move the needle they don't you have no rules you don't need

00:46:55.320 to be nice or put your name behind stuff you can be sort of diagonal online and say whatever you

00:47:01.200 want but people that are running for public office are public figures so you're conflating two areas

00:47:07.180 and bragging about how well you do in your lane but that's fine your lane is also what they're

00:47:12.520 saying they want they have created an appetite for the enemy is ideologically motivated extremism

00:47:18.120 coming from uh white nationalist men and going right into where they're foreshadowing they want

00:47:24.900 us to go and where their agents try and make tough talk the thing to gain the coots for to tell me

00:47:30.140 what you want to do to the rcmp and i don't even think they said anything but they'll make it up

00:47:34.520 that's how desperate they are for us to be uncontrolled with our language so i like to live

00:47:39.120 in a place where i don't need to form a secret group you're in the inner circle in the ivory

00:47:43.260 tower and only you will know my future plans for the white man i like being open about things and 0.85

00:47:48.840 saying i don't fucking care i want to have a culture that's based on white european culture 1.00

00:47:53.460 that built this place that we're very proud of and if you don't succeed in it you're fucking 0.98

00:47:56.720 going home and unfortunately civ nat is the best home for that to achieve anyone's goals and going 0.96

00:48:03.080 ethnocentric is no recent precedent of that working anywhere we're in a psyop state nine 0.94

00:48:09.860 out of fucking ten canadians injected tide pods into their arm and we're asking them to you know

00:48:15.060 build a time machine it's not going to work well i think if it doesn't work then we fundamentally 0.98

00:48:23.100 fail so the the reality is unless we can get canadians to start taking a more ethnocentric

00:48:28.980 approach to politics they will inevitably die out as a unique people so while like again you

00:48:35.760 say I'm black billed like I've taken on the most you know massive and insurmountable tasks that I

00:48:41.900 can which is getting Canadians to think racially and to be honest I think we've done a pretty good

00:48:47.180 job of it over the past two years whether you want to call it diagonal on or certain influencers

00:48:51.120 and it's not just diagonal on this is another thing again like not I like this isn't a personal

00:48:56.080 attack but you you constantly do this you reduce the nationalist movement in canada down to

00:49:01.160 diagonal on the reality is a sizable portion of the ppc are ethno-nationalist or at least

00:49:06.300 ethno-nationalist leaning they've found what they perceive to be the only home that there is for

00:49:11.700 their kind of politics and and you you constantly you know turn your nose up at them so like this

00:49:17.740 is again it's a problem it's not just diagonal on man this is a growing movement it for example

00:49:21.920 the mass deportations rally that happened in Hamilton last weekend that wasn't us that was

00:49:27.440 not us that was a completely unrelated group so to reduce it down to just this is diagonal no this

00:49:34.640 is a sentiment that is growing among Canadians and it's a good thing it's a good thing that

00:49:39.440 Canadians are starting to think racially and understand that they are and then on top of this

00:49:43.620 too I don't understand like again it's weird because sometimes I think the PPC understands

00:49:49.060 that you know the the real uh essentials of what is being done to canadians and and the wider

00:49:55.100 european world and then other times it's like they completely you know are delusional about it

00:50:00.340 so for i'll give you an example of this maxime bernier uh not quite maybe a couple weeks ago

00:50:06.720 i'm not sure uh not too long ago anyways he had a tweet that said it's not a great replacement

00:50:12.900 theory it's a great replacement fact something along those lines now when i saw that i was like

00:50:18.740 holy shit that's awesome from max like way to go like finally a politician said it and the reason

00:50:24.460 i thought that is because the great replacement theory isn't it's not a theory obviously it's a 0.97

00:50:30.200 fact but it's an explicitly racial uh concept that's it's what it is it is a racial concept

00:50:38.200 it is the the theory that white people are being systematically targeted in all of their respective

00:50:43.920 countries for replacement and maxime bernier dog whistled to it so i was like oh he he gets it like

00:50:49.980 this is an attack on white people now typically the way conservatives uh of the more normie variety

00:50:56.020 and to a lesser extent ppc typically the way that they frame the immigration argument is in terms of

00:51:02.180 economics or in terms of culture now the the problem with this is that basically uh if you

00:51:09.640 make the economic argument against immigration and obviously there is one and obviously it's true

00:51:14.680 okay obviously it's bad for housing it's bad for wages it's bad for um you know infrastructure 0.51

00:51:21.120 health care all of these things it's it's an incredible burden like we we've put ourselves 1.00

00:51:25.580 in a population trap with the level of immigration we have so obviously there's an economic problem 0.99

00:51:30.420 to it but fundamentally the major problem with it is that it's a bioweapon we are being 1.00

00:51:36.180 systematically replaced in our own country by foreigners and it's destroying our nation and i 0.99

00:51:42.520 mean the people that's what it's ultimately destroying is us as a distinct people and the 1.00

00:51:48.060 problem with this is that economic problems like they can go away so if if right now there was no

00:51:54.280 economic problem with immigration and there was tons of housing and you know you could get a doctor

00:51:59.220 in five minutes and you know you could get a high paying job very easily because jobs were in such

00:52:05.440 a high demand and all this stuff does that mean it's then okay to import more and more people and 0.92

00:52:11.700 replace canadians and turn us into some kind of cosmopolitan you know futuristic multicultural

00:52:18.340 multiracial society like basically the star wars cantina does that mean it's okay as long as

00:52:24.620 everybody's making money and my answer to that is no i would much rather endure a great depression 0.98

00:52:30.680 than the great replacement. I would much rather live in a poor country with my own kin and ethnic

00:52:36.580 folk than live in a rich country like Singapore that is a multicultural authoritarian state. 1.00

00:52:43.020 I don't care about the money. I don't care about preserving a specific kind of Canadian value. 0.87

00:52:49.460 I care about preserving the Canadian people. Now, the last thing I want to get into here is the

00:52:56.440 the civic nationalist argument it is is fundamentally a ridiculous argument and i'm

00:53:02.340 going to lay it out as quickly as i can here the the main reason for this is because okay so when

00:53:08.360 you talk about civic nationalism there's typically three factors that people bring up that you know

00:53:13.420 are part of civic nationalism or that make you part of the nation the first is birth so if you

00:53:20.060 were born there that makes you a thing the second is um citizenship so if you possess a certain

00:53:27.660 piece of paper now you're part of the nation and the third is values of some kind so let's i want

00:53:34.220 to dissect these because it's important the first is birth that's obviously ludicrous you even the

00:53:40.000 ppc's own platform denies this there's a reason why ending birthright tourism is in the platform

00:53:46.080 because we all know instinctively that the idea that you can just be born somewhere and that makes

00:53:51.040 you a thing is ludicrous a horse a dog born in a stable is not a horse obviously right so we

00:53:57.640 understand this moreover we know uh that um you know we i just gave you the example not too long

00:54:03.780 ago of the first nations i was born on algonquin territory am i algonquin no obviously not so like

00:54:09.920 we understand that birth is not what makes you part of a nation. It is blood, right? It's birth

00:54:16.460 in terms of blood, not birth in terms of location. The second is the citizenship argument. Now, we

00:54:22.900 all know that this is also ridiculous. The idea that if you get a piece of paper, somehow you are

00:54:29.000 now transubstantiated into something that you previously weren't is at face value ludicrous.

00:54:35.640 and we all agree with this there's so many people in here right now even if you disagree with me in

00:54:40.720 terms of the racial aspect you all would admit that a bunch of these people who have obtained

00:54:45.200 citizenship in canada particularly under the trudeau era are not canadian they have a piece

00:54:50.660 of paper that says they are but that does not make them canadian they're they're paper canadians

00:54:55.900 at best right and we all understand this to be true um the the other uh aspect of that obviously

00:55:03.820 is that um like like i could just put it this way to use a good analogy is a does a man become a

00:55:11.060 woman because he got a driver's license that says he's a woman if if if a woman puts on or sorry if

00:55:18.840 a man puts on a dress and he you know engages in what are considered you know uh female things

00:55:25.180 and he uses the woman's washroom and the woman's change room and he gets a driver's license that

00:55:29.960 says he's a woman. Is he a woman? Obviously not. Nobody accepts this argument, at least in this

00:55:35.800 sphere, in this kind of, you know, the people listening right now, nobody would accept that

00:55:40.560 argument as being valid. And the same applies for citizenship. Just because you have a piece

00:55:44.980 of paper that says you're something does not mean you're that thing. The last is values. And this is

00:55:50.100 the one that you'll see come up the most when people argue for civic nationalism, is that

00:55:54.720 somehow people who subscribe to a certain set of values, that somehow makes them, you know,

00:56:01.160 American or Canadian or British or something like that. Now, obviously, this, again, is ludicrous. 0.93

00:56:07.920 Canadians have a completely different set of values, you know, across the board. Would you

00:56:13.980 argue that a liberal who has, you know, incredibly divergent values to say a PPC member is not a

00:56:21.900 canadian just because like you know they could be uh a 10th generation you know tessier from quebec

00:56:29.980 they're not a canadian because they're what a liberal because they have because they have blue 0.73

00:56:34.740 hair yeah yeah so like this this argument is is ridiculous as well and moreover um you know 0.71

00:56:42.100 values change with time so to say that you know values are what make you a certain thing is is 0.84

00:56:48.980 obviously insane. You wouldn't say that, you know, an Englishman born in 1500s England is less

00:56:56.060 English than an Englishman born today because their values are completely different. That's

00:57:00.760 obviously nonsense. And if that's true, the Canadian values of today would insinuate that

00:57:07.820 people like Sir John A. MacDonald, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, William Lyon, Mackenzie King are somehow

00:57:12.760 not Canadian because their values absolutely do not align with the majority of Canadians' values

00:57:18.560 today so is that the argument that's being made that like and what it really boils down to is

00:57:23.600 this everybody who argues that a certain set of values are what make you canadian basically

00:57:30.080 defines those values as whatever their own values are so if you talk to a liberal about what makes

00:57:35.680 a canadian a canadian you'll get things like inclusion acceptance you know diversity like

00:57:42.160 these types of things if you talk to a pp seer you'll get completely different definitions and

00:57:46.800 And that is the point. It's subjective. So this idea that civic nationalism is some kind of,

00:57:52.240 you know, golden ticket out of here or the best vehicle out of here is just fundamentally wrong

00:57:57.400 because it implies that everybody who wants to be Canadian is Canadian. All they have to do is say

00:58:04.740 that they subscribe to whatever set of values you say they have to subscribe to. And now all of a

00:58:09.800 sudden they're Canadian. And what is the difference between that and Trudeau saying a Canadian is a

00:58:14.880 canadian is a canadian there's no difference fundamentally the only difference is what you

00:58:20.760 determine the values to be so this this whole argument of civic nationalism i reject fundamentally

00:58:27.620 it's a ludicrous ideology that is basically you know just a way of of saying you're not racist

00:58:33.920 and fundamentally it's rooted in cultural marxism that's fundamentally what it's rooted in 0.64

00:58:39.640 that's who popularized the term it's cultural marxism so i i fundamentally reject it and

00:58:47.280 anybody's claiming that civic nationalism is the way out of this i i just think they don't

00:58:51.720 fundamentally understand what they're talking about okay um greg do you want to go i can go

00:58:57.940 oh yeah i was just gonna say uh i'd love to hear your response to that trans like the broad

00:59:02.300 question i guess is like what do you think is the utility of civic nationalism um and

00:59:09.240 assuming you are a civic nationalist and you think that's the best path forward for the ppc

00:59:14.200 yeah it's the medium forward for ppc it's not something i'm proud to be it's simply the best

00:59:19.000 way possible there are many canadians who are not white that do share our values there are

00:59:23.720 things that unite us that we can use against the id politics war that is designed to divide us no 0.69

00:59:29.400 matter where it came from i mean ancient rome was issuing citizenship to spaniards and non-roman

00:59:34.680 born and that's been happening a lot longer than you know i don't mean to interject that's such

00:59:41.240 a terrible example because that is exactly what led to the fall of the roman empire

00:59:47.240 i'm talking like 300 bc if you fought in the roman military you could be it was like 400

00:59:52.600 years before the fall so yeah again including including foreigners in the 400 years okay dude

00:59:59.640 hang on including foreigners in the roman military is one of the key factors that was uh that was in

01:00:06.600 late stage yeah in late stage when the visigoths and the barbarians were being invited in i get

01:00:11.320 that but i'm not talking about that i'm just saying that it didn't start citizenship to uh

01:00:17.080 immigrants did not begin with cultural marxism civnet as a term is what we're using because

01:00:23.160 that's what's been popularized but it's not some deep philosophical avenue that guides my

01:00:29.000 my principles in in politics it's simply something that has a very recent history

01:00:33.640 of working around planet earth so it has that going for it that's a pretty big thing it's got

01:00:38.040 going for it you also said like there's a problem with birthright dude we want a moratorium on

01:00:42.840 immigration we want to stop the flow we want to establish a conversation exactly along the lines

01:00:48.680 that you're saying there's so much that you agree with and you like downplay it as like yeah even

01:00:54.680 max says this but it's a dog whistle so like you downplay the things that you totally agree with

01:00:59.240 this on and this is a genuine thing that i see from a lot of people that are looking for an

01:01:03.360 excuse not to get on board with any until it's perfect i'm not on board unfortunately you will

01:01:07.540 never get everything you want in politics and if you have a volatile support that uses your

01:01:13.500 massive influence because you are really good at communicating for him and you are really 0.99

01:01:17.660 when you're talking people are listening and i'm listening there's a lot of shit you say that i 0.94

01:01:22.060 find utterly fascinating um but you're saying to your whole base because of a photograph that it's 0.99

01:01:28.960 over nope get out guys come join this poll tell them it's over fucking help me it's over it's over 0.71

01:01:33.380 it's over you're using everything that you've accrued in your influence to tell everyone that 0.98

01:01:37.500 it's over and i don't find that to be a stable base of support and i have for a long time been

01:01:42.160 really nice i love coming into diagonal lies i love chilling with you derek and jeremy and

01:01:46.140 everyone thinks i'm cringy that's fine i don't care politics is a separate vein for me and it

01:01:51.160 used to be okay for dags to be fine with pbc i'm fine with this it started getting very ideologically

01:01:56.800 uniform in there it to the point where i'm like guys i don't really want the support if it's going

01:02:02.020 to be this bipolar and if you use the analogy that we're just helping you we're just keeping

01:02:06.100 the overton window you're not going to help kina turner sing better if you keep smacking her ike

01:02:10.460 you need to be at least a little positive and put aside and get into your category where you are a

01:02:15.800 patriot group you are capable of doing and saying a lot of things anonymously that are not

01:02:20.620 feasible in the public political realm so i just i just don't get it seems like we line up

01:02:26.120 more than you could ever hope for to have a political party in canada but it almost feels

01:02:31.160 like we're slowing down an accelerationist dream that you're having of like i'd rather see it all

01:02:35.520 fall and we get strong than have you guys slow it down with the false promise that they're going

01:02:39.640 to assimilate and i'm telling you we're not trying to get people to assimilate we're trying to put

01:02:45.020 back in the monoculture that was created by white europeans and say everyone's on an even playing 0.56

01:02:49.920 field we're not using the marxist you get a cookie for where you are on the privilege scale if you're 0.92

01:02:54.480 a transgender indigenous bipoc lesbian with three amputated limbs you get to the front of the line 1.00

01:02:59.720 there's no fucking such thing as that in a ppc world so we're just trying to establish an arena 1.00

01:03:04.860 from which we can have a culture actually exist and there's so much work to be done in the realms 0.99

01:03:10.720 of fertility and birth rates so we don't need to go there's so much work to be done to get kids not

01:03:15.440 to self-diagnose and get on drugs and get on hormone blockers so they can't even be counted

01:03:19.460 on to do a job at Tim Hortons. And we get that excuse out of the door. If PPC comes in and Max

01:03:24.940 Bernier ends the illegals coming in, we're talking about 5 million people. We're talking about 4.9

01:03:29.780 million people on expired visas, on the temporary workers. Every one of them will be gone as soon

01:03:36.360 as it expires. And we're not going to be renewing it. There is a way out. There is hope. But what

01:03:41.080 PPC is up against is the weak and the over strong fallacy. It's like, if you're weak enough, go with

01:03:46.760 Pierre go with what you know but unfortunately our main enemy right now there are different

01:03:50.620 hurdles in society and to get over the next hurdle that's agenda 2030 digital id everything will be

01:03:55.640 monitored all of your speech will be monitored don't give them an excuse right now by walking

01:04:00.140 into every trap don't do exactly what their undercover agents are encouraging everyone to do

01:04:04.120 and just gather peacefully build what you love we should have learned all this from when we were at

01:04:08.280 the convoy where we existed there peacefully and we built stuff we didn't go blaming everyone and

01:04:14.780 we didn't go saying i hate this i hate this i hate this it's a very easy energy to run on but

01:04:19.240 it's utterly unstable and it will always boomerang on you and there will always be saboteurs just

01:04:23.820 waiting and just sitting in your chat waiting for you to go too far to make you politically toxic 0.95

01:04:28.700 that's their goal and you're saying i got all the strong guys over here we're not fucking getting

01:04:32.580 on board with you guys that's fine but that is part of their plan it's to use the strong ones 0.81

01:04:37.100 to black pill and say there's no hope and to use the weak ones and say take the easiest path this

01:04:41.380 is pierre poly of also an agenda 2030 compliant politician that we have for you okay guys uh

01:04:47.980 greg would you like to get another voice in here we said that we would get ricardo in so

01:04:52.820 is ricardo here yeah he's here and he's requested so um i just i gotta yeah yeah yeah ferryman

01:04:59.520 response to that we'll bring ricardo in the conversation yeah i'm gonna invite so so first

01:05:03.860 of all i i can't help it the autist in me just can't let this go the example of using the roman

01:05:09.320 military of like you know civnat is just so strange to me because you know it you said the

01:05:14.360 it led to the like you know in the end it led to the fall no man uh there's tons of examples at the

01:05:20.040 height of the roman empire of how you know letting foreign populations into your military or into 0.53

01:05:24.880 your nation and giving them power was a terrible idea and the best most well-known example of this

01:05:30.000 is the battle of tutoburg forest where armenius who was a member of the roman military took what 0.96

01:05:35.460 he learned and then used it to slaughter three fucking legions so like the idea that like this 0.76

01:05:41.420 like this is a terrible historical argument to make that you just that you just proposed 0.99

01:05:46.040 like it wasn't sulla sulla was one of the greatest leaders and he handed back power after he purged

01:05:51.920 rome from all the corruption he was also a spaniard so you could make the argument if you

01:05:55.620 cherry pick the right example that that preserved the roman empire and he was a spanish citizen who

01:06:00.500 had roman citizenship and ended up leading rome so i i don't know you could do the tit for tat

01:06:04.860 but you're asking me to defend something i'm not even passionate about civ nat is a proven medium

01:06:10.140 to achieve political power at the moment unfortunately let that go and also again

01:06:14.800 solid terrible example so basically a tyrant dictator who murdered half of the patrician 0.60

01:06:20.780 class is somehow an example of a good roman like what a ridiculous argument to make although if

01:06:26.420 you're not passionate about it i get it it's just it's a strange argument to make no i am passionate 0.99

01:06:31.100 about it and he handed the power right back to rome as soon as he took over and then he left half

01:06:35.380 of the roman aristocrats like who were destroying rome in the background and he put up conscription

01:06:40.460 lists he also came back once and the first time didn't do anything and let everyone go and it was 0.82

01:06:44.760 only the second time he came back that the conscription was actually led to death and he

01:06:48.400 spared julius caesar and julius caesar ended up doing the same thing and never giving power back

01:06:53.620 which led to the fall of rome a roman citizen literate the memory of the greatest roman that

01:06:58.540 had existed up to that point gaius marius like what it's such a strange art anyways it's not

01:07:04.240 really important no it's a it's a cherry-picked example exactly the same as you're using that

01:07:08.440 you could make in the opposite direction which is why anecdotes are the least valuable form of

01:07:12.880 evidence on this okay hold on hold on that's enough about roman history for right now okay

01:07:17.420 yeah no let's let's bring it back to canada and this debate about what's up well i did want to

01:07:23.700 address what he actually said in relation to canada please um so you know for example regarding

01:07:31.320 the ppc and us being hard on them i've already said like yeah of course i'm going to call them

01:07:36.320 out whenever i don't like things because i want the party to move in my direction and of course

01:07:40.340 i'm going to use what whatever political influence i have to try and shape the narrative in canada

01:07:45.520 and push politicians to do things and you know what there's perfect examples of us doing this

01:07:49.940 to max and i think one happened tonight and i'm not going to use it in this particular argument

01:07:54.780 but if you go look at you know the the gofundme that max put out today um and then go look at

01:08:00.460 you know what jeremy mckenzie put out earlier today i think we've shown that actually we can

01:08:04.740 influence the ppc and we do influence the ppc um so yeah we're a joke group we're a meme group

01:08:11.020 obviously we're a collective of live streamers and stuff like that but you know we've discovered

01:08:15.600 that actually we do have the ability to throw political weight around and we're going to

01:08:18.980 we're going to and you know what not only are we going to we're going to start doing it in a much

01:08:22.500 more organized way and we are going to become a legitimate group and so you know this is coming

01:08:27.820 i don't have to say that much about it but we we are going to be a legitimate political entity in 0.94

01:08:33.060 this country and you can love us or you can hate us we don't give a shit we're here to advocate 0.94

01:08:36.840 for canadians not for the state of canada for canadians that's what we're here to do so you 0.97

01:08:42.820 know that's all i've asked for like three years so that's that's what we're doing and and if the

01:08:47.780 if we don't like what the ppc is doing you're going to hear from us and absolutely but i just

01:08:52.960 don't like the larp of pretending that you love us well all you do is deride us so yes i prefer

01:08:57.720 you start your own political party and deride us rather than saying you need us we're on board

01:09:02.720 But meanwhile, we have things that should be worth, in an audit of PPC, ending immigration, a moratorium on immigration should be worth 5,000 points, and you'll give it 50. 0.69

01:09:12.760 And a photo with a sliver of Hindus who are wearing, please let us stay, wear Canadian shirts, should be minus 100 points, and you treat it as minus 100,000 points. 0.61

01:09:21.420 That is volatile support that borders on saboteur-like support. 0.69

01:09:25.440 so it's not you can't ask to be the most valuable person and the most passionate hector of ppc that's

01:09:32.300 all i'm saying so so this is i guess my final point here which is honestly uh you know i know

01:09:38.160 jeremy has been uh completely against the ppc for some time i that's actually the point that

01:09:44.360 jeremy and i diverge on the most or at least it was um i actually have been kind of like coming

01:09:51.940 around to the the ppc specifically because they introduce things like we want mass deportations

01:09:57.640 we want a moratorium on immigration like these are things that did not exist in the party two

01:10:02.240 years ago or even a year ago you were anti-immigration but you weren't calling for a

01:10:06.100 moratorium you weren't calling for mass deportations these are new things that come i think in august

01:10:11.020 isn't that whenever that was added to the the platform it was sometime in the summer anyways

01:10:15.200 it was recently yeah the landscapes changed drastically and we're changing with it for sure

01:10:20.560 absolutely all right that's good and wait i i understand this but but the point i'm trying to

01:10:25.340 make here is that we were calling for these things before we were the ones trying to shift the

01:10:30.340 overton window on this before three years ago we were the ones clamoring for mass deportations

01:10:35.960 lee stewie right for those who are familiar with her has been calling for the ppc to put a

01:10:41.980 moratorium on immigration as part of their policy for for more than four years i'm pretty sure

01:10:47.280 so you know you can ask her directly but that was one of her biggest contentions with the ppc and

01:10:53.180 then you guys added so to say that like we can't influence the ppc i think is is nonce i think we

01:10:58.500 are influencing the ppc whether you want to admit it or not and it's not just diagonal on as i said

01:11:03.640 earlier it's nationalist you know ethno-nationalist this kind of fringe right uh sphere that is

01:11:09.480 growing rapidly in this country and across the european world that caused this shift in the ppc

01:11:15.280 maybe you can say that it was the shifting landscape that called it i guess yeah you you

01:11:20.460 want to take credit for that but it honestly is the world is in utter chaos and ppc has been right

01:11:25.580 more right about that than any other populist party on earth and if you want to say that's

01:11:30.040 because you guys were saying it that is a drastic over representation like you're the internet man

01:11:34.980 it's not just canada there are candidates who had a hundred followers who got 10 of the vote in

01:11:40.100 alberta and there's viva fry who has a massive following and should be lights out hitting it out

01:11:45.820 but he lives in an area where no one's awake so it's it's the the importance of of your pull on

01:11:51.740 ppc i'm not trying to denigrate it it's big diagonal is a very good big group i find it

01:11:57.680 tragic that i used to be able to hang out and say there's like 40 percent like this and everyone's

01:12:01.900 allowed to like what they like and then edict started falling saying get back to your bunkers

01:12:05.660 no one talk you're not a friend of mine if you're a friend of theirs and i'm like okay that's

01:12:09.200 unfortunate but you you i want you guys to start a political party that's all that's all i wanted

01:12:14.120 i have to say like this is the one thing and this is a fair criticism of diagonal which is that it's

01:12:18.900 not universe it's like it's not a you know a completely uh it's a collection of ideologies

01:12:25.780 mostly nationalistic minded mostly you know what would be considered far right or um you know

01:12:32.100 ultra national stuff like that obviously yes but again jeremy and i actually disagreed on this

01:12:38.020 approach and i defended max whenever there was a scandal about florida and the house like i don't 0.89

01:12:42.840 see a problem with a boomer buying a a fucking vacation property in florida like that's to me 0.52

01:12:48.980 this is what boomers do so like i didn't really it's not a really valid criticism of the ppc in 0.98

01:12:54.160 my mind so like i i've said that max has been good rhetorically on immigration i liked that he was 0.72

01:13:00.420 getting more aggressive like the fact that he would post a photo of a an indian taking a dump

01:13:05.280 by a river and just be like this is the state of canada now like that's a good change and then

01:13:10.660 it's again it's not so much like this is the problem that always happens when you issue a 0.98

01:13:15.980 criticism of the ppc all of you come out and say fuck you we don't want your support that's a huge 0.98

01:13:22.200 problem you guys keep pushing away your best bait and you can say that you know well you guys are 1.00

01:13:27.300 overly critical and i think that's the caricature i think that i think i ignore 99 of you shitting 0.93

01:13:33.320 on ppc and then when i see one egregious example of an innocent photo of michael bader being michael 0.56

01:13:39.480 bader and max backing him up the same way he'd back up the opposite end of the spectrum of

01:13:43.720 someone saying islam's evil in nova scotia uh it's just max backing someone up and it was treated

01:13:48.640 like the end times so that's why okay let me let me interject here let me interject here let me

01:13:54.940 interject here because to be fair i think both of you are kind of mischaracterizing the other group

01:13:59.340 a little much and the fact is we're on twitter it's toxic it is an echo chamber and a lot of

01:14:05.480 diagonal people say everyone agrees with me and a lot of ppc people says everyone agrees with me

01:14:09.240 and all the other side is so bad in reality it's a bunch of anon accounts or just like little

01:14:13.520 accounts making little nitpick arguments uh so let's not kind of get lost in the weeds there

01:14:18.360 um but but this and this is something that trans said explicitly and it's something that was

01:14:23.160 that was reiterated over and over in the wake of this which was well you guys are racist and we

01:14:29.020 don't want your support and so that was the moment for me when i started seeing that come out of of

01:14:34.380 you know ppc candidates by the way not just um you know random accounts but actual ppc candidates

01:14:40.400 saying that's you guys are racist we don't want your support well that's the that's the line for

01:14:45.040 me then isn't it you've basically said you don't want my support so why would i give you my support

01:14:49.540 and why would i i have never once advocated for people to not vote ppc i've changed my mind about

01:14:56.780 voting for them or not voting for them or whether or not i would waste my time voting for them

01:15:00.860 because really it's just a moral support thing it's basically a protest vote and saying like i

01:15:06.060 agree kind of sort of with them at this point so you know i was at the point where i was probably

01:15:10.860 going to do that just because like why not and then you say you don't want my support well if

01:15:16.220 that's how it is if if you don't want racist support if you think that we're too extreme if

01:15:21.420 If you don't want us to vote for you, then we won't.

01:15:25.180 And I'll tell my entire following not to vote for you.

01:15:28.400 And then don't get butthurt. 1.00

01:15:30.180 You've been doing that essentially from the outset of this photo with Hindus. 1.00

01:15:34.520 It's over. 1.00

01:15:35.280 BBC, put a fork in it.

01:15:36.600 It's done.

01:15:37.680 And that was such a non-issue to do that over.

01:15:40.000 Let's get to Dr. Ricardo.

01:15:41.300 Yeah, I want to go. I want to get back into like political strategy later on and like the best best path forward for for people who think like us who want to reverse the radical demographic change, stop mass immigration and start deportations.

01:15:57.960 but i want to go back to the question of what is a canadian uh we have dr ricardo duchene here

01:16:04.580 in the space he's a puerto rican born canadian historical socialist was a professor at university

01:16:09.720 of new brunswick st john's campus and uh i'm sure you're a mr ricardo you're gonna have some

01:16:15.500 i would love to hear your how you would answer that question uh what is a canadian and then also

01:16:22.760 maybe on this project of of wanting to start deportations in canada and where do you think

01:16:30.200 canada is going to find the strength to uh to stand up for itself sir thanks for joining the

01:16:34.860 space by the way okay hi everyone um so the way i would answer that question as to what is a

01:16:43.900 canadian is that i would make a distinction between civic nationalism and cultural nationalism

01:16:51.940 Right now, I mean, whether you're a proof of it or not, the reality is that in Canada as expressed through the legal system, through every institution, every school, a person who comes from another country or another nation who gets citizenship becomes a Canadian.

01:17:15.960 So you may say that person is not a Canadian because they're Chinese or because they're Indian.

01:17:21.900 But in reality, as a matter of politics, as a matter of the institutional reality in Canada, the law and everything, they are a Canadian.

01:17:32.380 Another thing is that you have to make a distinction.

01:17:34.780 Like I see here, people continuously debating between civic and Aztec nationalism, I guess.

01:17:40.600 but so what is the distinction between the liberal party's conception of what constitutes

01:17:47.520 a Canadian and the PPC conception? In my view the PPC has a civic conception of nationalism

01:17:55.360 but that's not the case with the liberal party as Justin Trudeau has very very early on when he

01:18:03.060 got elected he said that Canada is a post-nation so in other words he was sort of saying that

01:18:09.680 you don't really have to endorse the liberal traditions of Canada, meaning you don't have to

01:18:18.380 think of yourself as a person with a Western identity. You can bring your own culture,

01:18:24.400 your own customs, because Canada is open to the world. It's a multicultural nation.

01:18:30.060 So there is a sense in which he's not even a civic nationalist, whereas the PPC is trying

01:18:35.620 to go back to an earlier version, which you might say Pierre Trudeau adhered to, which is that

01:18:41.280 to be a Canadian, you have to adhere or assimilate to liberal values. And that means what the

01:18:50.820 definition of civic nationalism is, which is that you believe in separation of church and state,

01:18:55.880 you believe in freedom of speech, you believe that Canada is a Western nation, you believe that

01:19:02.300 men and women have the same rights and that everyone has equal rights. And that's instituted

01:19:09.500 in Canada. So you may say, okay, well, that Chinese that I see in Vancouver, the millions of them that 0.87

01:19:16.180 I see in Vancouver are not Canadian because they don't have the race that I think is a precondition 1.00

01:19:24.060 to be a Canadian. Well, fine, you can say that if you follow a racial or ethnic definition of

01:19:30.360 nationalism. But right now in Canada, through every institution, you could either be a post-nationalist

01:19:40.200 or you could be a civic nationalist, which is what the PPC says. And in a way, this definition of

01:19:46.440 civic nationalism is well instituted throughout Canada in the legal system and everywhere.

01:19:53.980 Then I would add that if you want to counter this perspective, one shouldn't jump

01:20:01.420 towards a racial or ethnic conception of nationalism, but one should embrace a cultural

01:20:08.620 conception of nationalism. So to me, it is important to make a distinction between civic

01:20:15.100 and cultural nationalism before you jump into a racial conception of nationalism.

01:20:21.020 so if you do a little bit of research you just add ai artificial intelligence or croc

01:20:29.260 what is the difference between civic and cultural nationalism actually they're going to give you a

01:20:33.820 good uh answer for that so if people want to debate that we can address that question

01:20:39.420 and what do you think the uh the the difference is between civic civic nationalism and and

01:20:51.940 cultural national uh cultural nationalism well if you go to the uh uh the crock definition which

01:20:59.960 i think is pretty good it says that civic nationalism refers to a liberal or political

01:21:06.140 conception of nationalism and that it contrasts with a cultural nationalist conception because

01:21:13.580 the civic nationalism doesn't believe that you have to have shared cultural traits that's why

01:21:19.280 the civic nationalism in a way made it possible for multiculturalism to emerge because you don't

01:21:26.040 have to have a shared culture with civic nationalism you don't have to have a shared

01:21:30.660 ethnicity or a modern language that is common or a religion that is common, which is what

01:21:39.140 civic nationalism is. Cultural nationalism, what it emphasizes is that you have to have

01:21:51.620 a very strong emphasis on language. In the case of Canada, it would be that English and French

01:21:58.180 will be enforced in a very rigorous way uh cultural nationalism also means that canada is

01:22:04.660 a christian nation so you're going to emphasize religion and uh christianity is not just one

01:22:11.860 religion that you choose or allow individuals to choose you may do it in your private home if you

01:22:17.700 want because cultural nationalism still allows for liberalism but it still emphasizes that the nation

01:22:25.380 of canada throughout history has been a christian nation and that has to be emphasized in the

01:22:33.380 institutions and also it emphasizes that canada was founded by the french and the uh english

01:22:40.900 peoples and then european people so ethnicity is a component of cultural nationalism hold on

01:22:48.020 doctor there there wasn't any sikhs or uh hindus that were there what do you mean there were no

01:22:54.900 sikhs or hindus uh in the founding of canada no there were there no kind of okay okay just

01:23:02.980 just checking just checking yes uh i mean cultural nationalism it emphasizes culture in a very deep

01:23:13.540 deep way it says that the canadian people the people who founded canada and created the nation

01:23:21.220 have a very strong cultural identity that goes back centuries and it has to do with their religion

01:23:28.660 their christianity it has to do with ethnicity so you're not afraid to say that the english and

01:23:34.340 the french founded canada and then europeans from that is people from other european nations came in

01:23:40.820 and play a role uh and it it can include other ethnic groups it doesn't say other ethnic groups

01:23:48.260 are excluded it just simply creates an atmosphere in which immigrants have to recognize that canada

01:23:56.420 has that christian identity and also it creates an atmosphere in which politicians and people can

01:24:02.500 claim that as uh mackenzie king and other prime ministers in the past argue they were all cultural

01:24:10.100 nationalist they said that canada would lose its identity if it opened its borders to asian

01:24:17.780 immigration for example so there's a sense in which if you're a cultural nationalist you say 1.00

01:24:23.060 i don't want my culture to be lost and i believe it would be lost if you allow millions of indians

01:24:30.260 and millions of africans so it's not that you're saying that canada is white per se because in a

01:24:36.900 sense that's a problem with white nationalism and i'm not saying that everything that white

01:24:42.820 nationalists say is wrong but the problem with just saying white is that you're anchoring the

01:24:48.100 identity of canada on a biological criteria and if you say that all there is to canada is simply

01:24:57.540 race then you're saying well canada is really no difference from germany or spain and so on because

01:25:04.420 they're all white whereas if you say that canada's identity is cultural then you

01:25:11.780 mention those factors that make canada different culture from germany or from england that doesn't

01:25:18.020 mean you don't recognize the reality of race it just means you don't make that the foundation of

01:25:24.340 what it means to be canadian so in my view when if one wants to say what is a canadian i would

01:25:30.500 say you have to prioritize culture above all else and that can include a civic dimension because

01:25:38.900 Canada is also throughout history has been a liberal nation from the very beginning so

01:25:45.060 the cultural component doesn't exclude the civic component it acknowledges the liberal institutions

01:25:51.700 it acknowledges individual rights and it acknowledges separation of church and state

01:25:57.060 but at the same time it recognizes that christianity has played a very important role

01:26:04.360 in the way institutions were created in the symbols that canada has and you're not going

01:26:09.680 to let go of those things because they matter a lot to the identity of the people could you um

01:26:15.500 i wanted to ask you about like the difference between cultural nationalism and ethnic nationalism

01:26:22.320 if there is any overlap and why why you think there might be problems like do you think there's

01:26:30.420 do you think there's problems with ethno-nationalism or white nationalism why or

01:26:37.460 why not and if you could bring up examples from you know from from history or other parts of

01:26:44.460 europe in terms of you know different cultural nationalism versus ethno-nationalism nationalism

01:26:51.320 movements that would be great as well well i know that in the dissident right or the far right

01:27:00.680 uh white nationalism plays a big role and one of the reasons is that particularly in the united

01:27:10.240 states uh race realism took off and almost became the ideology around which dissidents would sort

01:27:20.180 organize themselves. And I have no problems with race realism as a theory. I think it is

01:27:27.480 correct in many respects. It has been scientifically proven. But I don't believe that

01:27:34.060 people can be founded or can find an identity about who they are and what they are by saying

01:27:41.960 simply, oh, well, I have this biological reality or these are my genes. These are things that

01:27:48.260 scientists talk about and you read very technical articles about races and the differences between 0.97

01:27:57.700 them but that doesn't give people an identity in a way that one of the reasons that anglos

01:28:03.460 in particular have gravitated towards racial nationalism is because they have lost their

01:28:10.580 cultural identity they don't really know who they are so they're trying to find something to give

01:28:16.100 them an anchor to give them somewhere to go so they gravitate and they say well we are different 0.86

01:28:23.700 from blacks and then they point to the blacks and how they have lower IQs and that kind of thing 0.95

01:28:29.300 but that is not going to make a movement it's not going to give people a sense of 0.93

01:28:34.580 meaning you have to go to the culture to their customs to their traditions to their communities

01:28:41.220 to their songs, to their rituals, for them to know who they are. So, in the case of Canada,

01:28:48.420 in my view, Canadians have to rediscover who they are culturally, and that has been

01:28:56.900 really weakened after many decades. It's not just decades of left-wing propaganda and takeover of

01:29:06.420 institutions is modernization in and of itself. And it's not just communism, it's also a market

01:29:15.140 economy, capitalism being allowed to dictate the nature of a nation. A capitalist on their own,

01:29:24.420 they don't care about nationalities. They are for markets, they want globalization,

01:29:30.340 They want open borders. They want people from all walks of life to move in and out of Canada.

01:29:38.820 They want people to be ruthless. They don't want consumers who know who they are and may be

01:29:45.140 attached to a particular store or small business. No, they want Costco, those big retailers that

01:29:54.180 don't have identity i mean if you go to costco or walmart and you look at the customers a lot 1.00

01:29:59.620 of the immigrants go to those stores because they don't have identities those stores they don't go

01:30:04.260 to the smaller stores so um you have to be aware of that as well and not be naive uh the business

01:30:14.740 world has been strongly behind the opening of borders has been behind mass immigration as well

01:30:22.660 It's not communist, it's not socialist per se. In fact, socialists many times are more

01:30:28.660 nationalistic or they used to be more nationalistic. So what I'm saying is that

01:30:37.460 capital is in modernization as well as the left. I mean, the business right and the left are in

01:30:47.140 this together. If you look at any bank in Canada, all the banks in Canada are for open borders.

01:30:52.660 So these two forces combined have eroded the culture of Canada, and if Canadians want to regain that sense of identity, they're going to have to think really deep as to who they are as a cultural people.

01:31:07.960 Simply to say, oh, I'm white, and that finally gives me my identity, that's not going to take you too far.

01:31:14.960 But I mean, if you want to say I'm white and I want to understand why it is that blacks don't achieve as much, I don't think it is systemic racism. 0.93

01:31:24.160 I think it's because they may not have the same IQ as whites. Fine, you can say that. 0.83

01:31:31.820 And I'm not saying that's incorrect, but it's not going to be sufficient for a person from Norway, for an Irish.

01:31:41.060 i mean the irish people right now are facing a mass immigration in a way in a very fast way and

01:31:48.900 the irish people are going to have to start asking themselves well what does it mean to be irish

01:31:53.700 and for them to say oh it means the ones who are white no it has to be deeper than that

01:31:59.540 uh they have to go back into their history and they have to embrace it um so that's what i would

01:32:05.700 say awesome i really like what you brought up in terms of like the biological aspect almost being

01:32:11.540 too shallow and i was just thinking of the example of like you know i'm a man simply because i have

01:32:18.040 a penis and that's it nothing to do with what a man should do in society just because i biologically

01:32:23.200 have this appendage uh when i think most would agree that being a man is a lot more than than 0.96

01:32:28.100 just having that and i'm not going to the whole like you know gender place with this but um

01:32:31.840 i think there's a lot there's a lot of truth in that but but the problem the problem greg is that

01:32:38.060 so if if you say that what's more important about being a man is what you do and you know your

01:32:43.680 actions and how you behave then you're basically saying that that's what makes a man so you cannot

01:32:50.600 i'm not separate the difference is though i'm not separating the two i'm not saying that it's just

01:32:55.580 i'm not you know like i'm saying that they work together is the point but this is an important

01:33:00.540 distinction then so it's not just cultural and it's not just biological it's both and that's

01:33:06.020 part that's part of the point that's been been lost uh with canadians is that we've completely

01:33:12.180 abandoned this concept of ethnic identity for a cultural values one and this has led to us not

01:33:18.960 really understanding who we are so i i agree with dr ricardo like that that we need to get back to

01:33:25.420 our roots that we need to understand who we are but we don't do that by saying we're everyone and

01:33:30.740 everything and anyone can be us and like this is this is how we got in this situation to where

01:33:36.820 nobody knows what a canadian is because there is no there is no definitive answer to that question

01:33:42.960 unless you include the ethnic aspect to it do you think that there is fundamentally an ethnic aspect

01:33:49.780 to cultural nationalism in Canada, Dr. Ricardo?

01:33:57.580 Yes, cultural nationalism acknowledges the importance of ethnicity.

01:34:04.100 You can see this more clearly if you look at European nations.

01:34:08.580 Among Europeans, the concept of white nationalism hasn't really taken off for that reason,

01:34:14.320 because europeans have always been very aware that the the germans are different from the french the

01:34:21.280 french from the english and so on and they had bitter wars for centuries they were in constant

01:34:28.880 conflict so italians understand themselves as italians not as whites um so that's ethnicity

01:34:37.280 but you can see already the moment you say italian ethnicity you're automatically bringing culture

01:34:44.000 into the equation it's not just race you're bringing culture right away into the equation

01:34:49.120 you can't separate them so for an italian to say i'm italian they mean by that yes ethnicity but

01:34:56.000 also i speak an italian language i have a particular history i'm in a particular location

01:35:03.520 of europe um there are ways of speaking mannerisms and customs and foods that we have here uh so

01:35:12.000 So when I look at these Africans moving into Italian Muslims, and one of the things that 0.99

01:35:21.440 I ask myself, are they going to lose their cooking that is unique to them? 0.99

01:35:26.420 That's really important because once a people lose that, they start losing their identity.

01:35:34.300 It's very important.

01:35:35.300 you may think it's simple, of course, but people eat every day, all day. And what are their foods

01:35:43.040 that define them is very important to them. And this is something that you grow up with.

01:35:48.840 It goes back to your childhood. And now in the case of Canada and North America, these things

01:35:54.480 are weaker for various reasons, but you can still find foods that are distinctive, really Canadian.

01:36:05.300 but fast food companies big retailers they want to obliterate that and they want to take over

01:36:15.900 and homogenize everyone this again goes back to the point I make that don't be naive

01:36:23.300 businesses are not interested in any form of nationalism and that an identity can only be

01:36:32.500 sustained by a cohesive state that's powerful and that is in charge of it and then gives people

01:36:41.800 guidance and mandates things from them. So if you have a state that's weak, then the businesses

01:36:52.520 are in control of that state. You look at many of the liberal politicians, Justin Trudeau,

01:36:58.220 and Macron in England, those politicians are incredibly weak. I mean, they're responding

01:37:05.260 or acting at the behest of donors, powerful corporations, and they do what

01:37:13.740 they are told to do and what is expected of them. In the case of Trump, there is a difference

01:37:19.660 because he's a strong politician. That's why they call him authoritarian. And that's why

01:37:25.020 There is such a vehement opposition to him by all these globalists because he is a strong guy.

01:37:36.140 He wants politics to be in charge, not just the business world, even though he's a businessman and he's not anti-capitalist.

01:37:44.640 And I'm not anti-capitalist myself. But you have to have a type of capitalism that coexists with a strong state,

01:37:52.160 as you have in japan as you have in china actually or in russia so um i would say that you know to

01:38:01.680 your question that you have to have a strong state that is in charge of the culture of the people

01:38:11.360 like in in china for example whatever criticisms you may have about the chinese the chinese

01:38:18.080 communist party, you can call it communist, is very nationalistic. They don't want to let go of

01:38:25.200 their Chinese identity. They don't want to embrace all kinds of values from all over the world.

01:38:32.720 At the same time, they want to modernize. So that means they have to give in some things.

01:38:37.140 They cannot remain a small, traditional, small town culture. They understand they have to embrace

01:38:44.880 modernity technology and all that comes with it but the state is in charge of the cultural

01:38:52.560 identity of the chinese and in the case of the west that's not the case um the politicians are

01:39:00.480 very weak and that's due to liberalism uh and so for me ethnicity comes with culture

01:39:09.680 um so that's what i would say and it needs a strong state yeah and just to bring that up to

01:39:14.900 speed with with canada like the culture that's sort of enforced well by first of all by trudeau

01:39:20.960 was a post-national one which is what the hell does that mean we're basically just some bus stop

01:39:25.540 that any old person can come into and then i really feel like the the cultural character

01:39:30.320 if you can even call it that of the conservative party of canada is to be a consumer is to be a

01:39:37.140 consumer and just a worker and that's it like there's really nothing deeper uh to the conservative

01:39:44.100 party of canada's kind of ideation of what makes a canadian citizen uh other than that but um

01:39:49.980 speaking of canada and in the situation we're in i started off this space dr ricardo kind of

01:39:56.260 addressing that we have some disagreements here but i think we all can agree that the radical

01:40:01.460 demographic change happening uh in this country is destroying it at its very fabric um and we're

01:40:08.660 curious of how to turn that or how to best turn that around because there were some people

01:40:12.740 criticizing uh some tweets by maxime bernier not being uh strong enough or pandering too much to

01:40:19.020 hindus but um you can address that specific tweet if you've seen it but broadly you know what do

01:40:25.720 you think it's going to take uh for canada and canadians to turn the ship around to to to to

01:40:31.840 correct course because as i'm sure you're aware we're up against uh a lot here but if you have

01:40:36.980 any sort of suggestions or ideas of um of what needs to happen here uh what i would love to hear

01:40:45.680 your thoughts um how do we fix canada doctor you know i'm an older guy i'm not young and like

01:40:56.100 fatty man and all the guys here they have a lot of energy and i appreciate that and i

01:41:02.000 so i have an element you might say of

01:41:06.400 that things are not going to be easy um that the

01:41:14.520 one of the things that really you know when I when I became aware of what was happening of the

01:41:24.840 issue of immigration around 2010 um and at that time I thought okay so people don't know what's

01:41:35.360 going on. They don't understand that immigration is going to transform Canada in a radical way

01:41:41.020 and it's going to destroy it. They don't understand that in our universities, in our school,

01:41:49.200 they're actually teaching students to deny their ancestors, to look

01:41:54.060 bad at their own history, to praise other people. And it's a matter of just spreading the message,

01:42:03.100 making the argument, and so on. And I really saw that conservatives would come around, would just

01:42:10.820 see that this is just insane to open your borders. At that time, the number of immigrants coming 1.00

01:42:17.140 into Canada was 225, 250, 270,000. And I saw that was really high. Then just, you know, 1.00

01:42:27.360 it started increasing with Harper. It was going into 280, 290, and he was proud of it and bragging

01:42:36.720 about it, how conservatives are so open to immigration and so on. Then Justin comes in,

01:42:43.200 and as you know, he really intensifies it. And it went two times, three times. Some people say

01:42:50.480 1.3 million have come in. Sometimes I can't even believe that that happened. And what really just

01:42:57.200 takes me aback is that no conservative really in a strong way stood against it i mean you have

01:43:04.000 people like conrad black who supposedly is a populist he likes trump he he said nothing about

01:43:10.880 it um jordan peterson said nothing about it i mean just a simple thing like what the hell are

01:43:17.280 we doing how could we possibly bring 400 000 500 000 not aware about it not a word by the

01:43:24.480 journalists not a word by the newspapers so it just really dawned on me that this is pervasive

01:43:31.920 it's everywhere um yes of course there are people out there that don't have power and they're not

01:43:39.840 happy but that's the reality they don't have power we need people with financial resources and with

01:43:48.000 power to side with us, to just finally say something is wrong. We got to do something

01:43:55.200 about this. And so far, they are not coming. They're not saying this. So I'm sorry, but that

01:44:03.040 does make me pessimistic. I wish they would do that. I don't think that, you know, the PPC,

01:44:15.760 like uh bernie has really worked hard to to to do everything he can he's continuously going

01:44:23.040 from one place to another in canada um and yet what is the proportion of the population last

01:44:30.640 time was it five percent that he got in in the electoral uh the popular vote um if i recall

01:44:37.280 was yeah i think around that in 2021 yeah right and so it was better than before but now because

01:44:44.000 Because people hate Justin so much, he may not get 5% because people will vote for the conservatives.

01:44:54.960 So that's the reality we're dealing with.

01:44:58.020 And we have to be realistic.

01:44:59.420 It's a reality in which our side is not strong.

01:45:05.200 And ultimately, you do need, in a democracy, you need a mass movement.

01:45:09.320 but you also need a breakaway in the lead, a rupture among those who have power and resources.

01:45:20.280 So we need that kind of rupture so that people with resources say, okay, I agree with the PPC.

01:45:29.620 We got to really endorse them. And for some, of course, the PPC is not enough. I was just

01:45:38.060 hearing a bit about the debate here. Some people think that he should not have spoken to those

01:45:45.760 Indians. They were Indians, right? That he went to talk to them. So that's where I am. I don't

01:45:55.280 know. What do other people have to say? Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Greg, I know at some point I'd

01:46:02.600 like to get liz to speak i did tag her in in this space so if we can yeah sure uh let's let's uh we

01:46:09.560 can get liz to hop on in a second here uh i thought i would kind of bring the conversation

01:46:13.720 back towards um something more practical in terms of political strategy in terms of turning the ship

01:46:19.700 around we we brought up the fact that um you know mass deportations is something that is presented

01:46:27.080 now in the ppc uh immigration policies and ferryman kind of painted a picture of like you

01:46:33.960 know this is going to be families crying as they're dragged off and shipped off uh back back to where

01:46:40.420 they came from and right now we're being afraid of being called racist you know like there needs

01:46:45.780 to be a much much more bravery and strength i think from people who think like us or the ppc

01:46:51.000 to realize that this is going to be a long hard road of people constantly vilifying us and hating

01:46:56.800 us and blah blah blah to to try and make this uh this turnaround happen so to try and segue into

01:47:02.400 that maybe ricardo i'd like to ask you about kind of patriotism you know where does patriotism come

01:47:09.840 from or where do you think the strength comes from in identity and how it translates into political

01:47:16.060 action i'd be i'd be curious to know if you have sort of anything uh any thoughts on that because

01:47:21.360 you were kind of uh alluding when you're talking about cultural cultural nationalism you were

01:47:25.820 alluding to the spiritual a little bit you're alluding to sort of like the faith in uh in you

01:47:32.580 know christianity being fundamental to canadian culture um and i guess do you have any thoughts

01:47:37.940 on that in terms of how how to um how cultural nationalism can be used and weaponized into

01:47:45.900 political action uh to to make stronger patriots who are going to be brave to to really fight to

01:47:51.940 turn this country around? Well, I will say that Christianity is important. You have to appeal to

01:48:01.000 Christians. I'm not a practicing Christian, but I understand that Christianity has played a big

01:48:08.320 role in Western history, and I respect that role. And I also know that there are many Christians

01:48:15.760 who happen to be conservative. 0.96

01:48:18.660 They don't like all this child grooming 1.00

01:48:21.940 and transsexual nonsense, 1.00

01:48:24.000 and they understand male-female distinctions. 0.99

01:48:27.580 And so I think they're a group

01:48:29.400 that one has to appeal to.

01:48:31.840 And one way to appeal to them

01:48:33.740 is to let them know that,

01:48:38.020 yes, fine, Canada has separation of church and state,

01:48:42.360 And yes, you have individual choice of religion, but Christianity shaped Canada's history and identity, and that has to be recognized and bring them in in that way.

01:48:58.560 So that's what I would say.

01:49:00.900 But let other people speak because I don't want to just be the only one talking.

01:49:06.020 Well, we appreciate you hop on here, Dr. Ricardo.

01:49:10.000 ferryman looks like you have something to say and then we'll kind of go around i'd like to hear from

01:49:13.440 liz and trans as well i was just gonna ask if we could get fortisax up here but i did i did i got

01:49:20.560 him up here he's been uh dming me so he's up and uh he can speak after liz if that's cool

01:49:26.480 liz did you want to chime in on this conversation sure i'll jump in for a few minutes um i've been

01:49:33.760 listening back and forth to your conversation and although i spend a majority of my time focusing

01:49:41.440 primarily on american politics because personally that's how i view things strategically because 0.94

01:49:51.280 if america's lights aren't on we're fucked everyone should know that so with saying that

01:49:58.080 it's very interesting when you view things through the lens of american politics and you 0.98

01:50:03.520 watch its ripple effect come into canada and to be honest with you ricochet across the world

01:50:12.480 because what's going to happen in my opinion is that the upcoming administration of president

01:50:18.940 trump is going to set a precedent for the greatness that will follow after he implements

01:50:27.380 all the policies he has openly stated he's going to do and what you're going to see policies

01:50:33.140 well number one he's going to completely eliminate the sexualization and mutilation

01:50:41.180 of children with the ability to retroactively sue the butchers and doctors that did this

01:50:49.820 to the children that are now sterilized or mutilated so that's number one number two he

01:50:56.900 just appointed rfk who's going to do a thorough investigation into the vaccine industry and if

01:51:04.240 you haven't read the book the real dr anthony fauci i suggest that you do because that will

01:51:10.460 tell you exactly what his priorities are going to be and again you're going to see people

01:51:18.600 um i don't know how to say this but uh politely but you're going to see an uprising

01:51:24.800 in America when people actually find out what the pharmaceutical industrial complex

01:51:31.240 has been doing, not to just Americans, but to Canadians and everyone around the world.

01:51:36.800 So the pressure will be applied to the politicians that are currently in denial of what has happened

01:51:44.340 over the past five years with the COVID scam, because we know it was a scam.

01:51:49.240 and i say that because you know if you haven't figured that out by now i mean i right you know

01:51:56.920 grab yourself a darwin award so yeah sorry to cut you off liz um we are very very very we very much

01:52:03.740 agree we're very well aware of the covid stuff and the the trans stuff could you speak to some

01:52:08.080 of trump's policies when it comes to immigration and uh you know exactly so he made it very clear

01:52:13.760 if you have not listened to the videos of the new upcoming Secretary Horman, who has said on 60

01:52:21.300 Minutes, yes, we will be deporting people and we will deporting entire families together. And that's

01:52:27.480 what happens when you break the law, because we've had this open borders policy. And it's actually

01:52:33.420 called the Soros-Cloward-Piven strategy. And it's meant to collapse your country from within as it

01:52:39.880 overwhelms the system and at this point if you haven't read the un sustainable agenda which

01:52:47.320 specifically names this they don't hide it this is happening to america it's happening to canada

01:52:54.140 right so but but you're you're ignoring you know the the switch part of the bait and switch with

01:53:01.160 trump's policy because he very expressly said explicitly said that yes we're going to have the

01:53:06.120 biggest mass deportations uh initiative that's ever been done but we're also going to bring in

01:53:12.300 more people that have ever been brought in but we're going to do it legally we're going to do

01:53:16.220 it legally so he didn't say he's going to bring in more people when they actively have 10 million

01:53:23.280 illegal and he's going to bring in immigrants that have ever come into america so he's so what

01:53:28.600 you're saying is that trump said he's going to deport over 10 million illegals and he's going

01:53:33.720 to bring in more than 10 million people legally that defies common sense because at the end of

01:53:39.760 the day at the end of the day what he's promoting is legal immigration i'm saying that's that's and

01:53:48.860 i don't think i'm in the canadian context actually i should have brought this up earlier with the ppc's

01:53:54.680 platform part of the problem with this is that so there's a lot of focus on illegals and i'll give

01:54:00.060 the credit the moratorium is a good thing but again illegals make up a tiny percentage of the

01:54:05.480 problem with immigration especially in the canadian context less so than than the american one but even

01:54:10.720 in the american context the illegals are a problem yes but in any european country illegals are like

01:54:17.380 five percent max of the immigration okay so maybe you're missing the point here because again what

01:54:24.040 i said earlier is what you're seeing is the cloward piven strategy this means open borders

01:54:31.060 we're talking about ngos that make millions of dollars that are working hand in hand with former

01:54:36.980 mayorkas that are actively pursuing and taking money from human trafficking rings this is

01:54:45.260 unbelievable so it was saying that the criminals and all of the prisons that have been emptied

01:54:53.020 from all around the world that have somehow made their way through the darien gap and processed in

01:54:58.620 the open borders that all have ebt cards of ten thousand dollars and maps of where they need to go

01:55:05.240 and free flights you know it's really incredible uh the problem is that you have to stop this

01:55:12.040 liz did you have uh did you want to comment at all on uh you know canadian politics because we

01:55:17.260 don't we don't have uh well yeah so yeah basically you know what right so basically what i see

01:55:26.220 see in america is different in a sense because what trump did no sorry i said canada i was

01:55:33.720 talking about canada i know i know so my point i'm getting there so my point is is that what

01:55:39.020 trump effectively did was he was able to take the foundation of the republican party and build it in

01:55:44.160 a populist way that, you know, while he's taken this on over the past few years to rise to the

01:55:52.580 top as he has, they've been able to expel the infiltrators of their party. The problem in

01:55:59.460 Canada is that we have a system where we have two top leading political parties that simply just

01:56:08.180 pass the baton from one to the other. And unfortunately, it's an unfair system. I don't

01:56:15.860 agree with the system that we have. I think that it is basically run by our regime media, because

01:56:23.740 it's almost embarrassing, actually, to see our media act the way they do so fawningly towards

01:56:32.360 both of the leading political candidates.

01:56:36.500 It's a joke. And again, I could go on and on. The Canadian politics,

01:56:40.600 yeah, it's completely captured and corrupted. Unfortunately, we don't.

01:56:44.920 We have the PPC party that's willing to completely decouple

01:56:48.680 from every globalist organization, which is an absolute necessity

01:56:52.440 if you want Canada to survive. That's a shoo-in.

01:56:56.620 But unfortunately, with the Conservative Party, it's so

01:57:00.620 deeply corrupted and infested with liberals acting as conservatives that we have to have

01:57:07.700 the same approach that america did and just completely expel these people from their positions 1.00

01:57:13.740 because the the again the country is completely collapsing it's a fucking dumpster fire you know 0.97

01:57:20.440 i hate to be so negative but again the problem is like people are going to have to learn the hard 0.98

01:57:26.460 way canada is a bit behind the books you know in comparison to america that's why is she just

01:57:32.520 you know my primary focus she's trying to waste our time right now because that is who is going 1.00

01:57:37.740 to set the precedent that will force canadian politicians to start doing the right fucking 0.93

01:57:43.200 thing because 99 of them are not and again it's embarrassing it's embarrassing very much well 0.72

01:57:51.080 said thank you so much uh for for coming coming on the space liz let's i really want to address

01:57:56.840 something she said there because she said somehow these immigrants are finding their way to the 0.95

01:58:01.880 dairy and gap and we know exactly how they're doing it and it's funny to me that she brought

01:58:06.200 up she actually named the man who's partially responsible for it and then completely glossed

01:58:11.880 over that the the organization which is facilitating the mass invasion of the southern u.s border

01:58:18.520 is the hebrew immigrant aid society they are the ones that are operating the facilities that run

01:58:23.800 from all through central america and alejandro mayorkas sits on that board he said the the man

01:58:30.760 in charge of defending the border of the united states at least until trump's administration takes

01:58:36.280 over sits on the board of the organization that is facilitating the invasion of the u.s border

01:58:43.240 and nobody will bring this up for one specific reason this is the only i mean that's crazy

01:58:49.560 sorry i'm gonna jump in here i have talked about that before because laura loomer did

01:58:53.480 an extensive report on it which i i reposted many times so no that's not true okay but why

01:58:59.320 did you gloss over it then and say somehow because i can only say so much in such little time

01:59:05.080 you know i'm not going to get into the intricacies i don't i actually don't care

01:59:08.760 Sure. I've made my point very clearly. You guys should know exactly where I stand. Again, I look strictly at policy and the actions of the people and the amount that they want to hide. I look at financials and where their money comes from. That's the only way I look at it.

01:59:29.060 The reason I think this is important and it's something that shouldn't be glossed over is because Trump's immigrant Trump's cabinet is littered with Israeli first, you know, Christian Zionists, Jews, this type of stuff, people who are very partial to Israel, people who have called for war with Iran multiple times.

01:59:48.880 And it's fascinating to me that the other aspect of this is that Israel itself as a state is largely responsible for the invasion that Europe and other countries are facing.

02:00:00.580 HIAS is directly funded by the Israeli government.

02:00:03.160 Israel Aid is directly funded by the Israeli government.

02:00:05.900 Paideia is directly funded by the Israeli government.

02:00:08.980 And so you've got Trump in bed with all these Zionists and Israeli sympathizers and talking about defending the border.

02:00:16.040 Well, Israel is actively funding the invasion. So to ignore this and just gloss over the fact that, like, you know, Jews, Israelis play a large role in demographic replacement is, you know, it's basically, I mean, I understand why people avoid it, but it's time we stop avoiding it. 0.63

02:00:34.320 The reality is that Israel has played a massive role in demographic replacement, and that's true of Canada as well.

02:00:41.980 The Israeli lobby in Canada, which is the Center for Israeli Jewish Affairs, lobbies for immigration constantly and then cries whenever Muslims that they advocated for coming into the country don't, you know, love Jews enough.

02:00:55.440 so like this is this is a huge problem and it's something that everybody likes to skirt around

02:01:00.180 because nobody wants to be called an anti-semite but you know it's it's a major factor that has to

02:01:04.800 be addressed in this equation which is this these is israeli lobbies these zionists these uh you 0.97

02:01:10.280 know powerful jews are actively subverting our society and you know it's time we normalize this 0.88

02:01:15.500 discussion did you want to i agree for one fact i'd love i'd love a chance to agree with ferryman 1.00

02:01:21.600 here sorry doctor you've been uh brilliant on everything you've said tonight but i do agree

02:01:26.480 fairy i think that uh i don't think that it's trump in bed with them though i think he's at

02:01:30.240 the mercy of them i think that the the benefit of ppc is that it's dude it's a political he took a

02:01:37.140 hundred million dollars from miriam adelson so to say that he's not aware yeah i i don't want to go

02:01:43.220 down this rabbit hole but honestly trans in all like i i mean this genuinely if you really want

02:01:47.980 to dive into this topic of trump and jewish influence go devon stack blackbilled who jeremy

02:01:54.600 is having a stream with tonight on saturday he did a stream called uh the insomnia stream trump

02:02:01.600 and the jews edition and trump's relationships with these people goes back to basically when

02:02:06.800 he was a kid it goes back to his father so to say that he's being hoodwinked or that he's being

02:02:11.700 pressured or that he's like i don't know i don't think he's being hoodwinked but you also have to

02:02:16.160 have like parsimony with your theory it can't be if he's one of them then why are them lawfaring

02:02:22.060 him attempted the assassinating him there are factions involved with this and it's not as simple

02:02:27.460 as sorry i muted sorry i muted everybody uh we're not going to get into this whole thing with trump

02:02:34.920 we're not going to get like we're doing a slight detour here that's fine but uh liz you hopped on

02:02:41.800 I appreciate it. If you wanted to quickly address some of Ferryman's statements about how do you

02:02:48.360 explain Trump being in bed with a lot of Zionists and also Zionists funding a lot of these

02:02:54.300 organizations that facilitate the immigration or massive amounts of illegals or coming into 0.63

02:03:02.680 America. After that, we're going to go back to to to Canadian politics. Thank you. Yeah,

02:03:07.900 I think there's a much larger picture here and I think that you're kind of walking into a really

02:03:12.880 shitty trap when you start talking about the whole Israeli versus Palestinian no no no so basically

02:03:22.720 yeah I need to clear I need to clear that up so my mom had cancer my mom had cancer 15 years ago

02:03:29.100 and I had to send her to a genetic counselor and they came back and they're like oh it appears

02:03:34.500 there's some type of jewish blood blah blah blah blah blah i'm like no no no mom just ignore it and

02:03:38.740 the joke was you you are jewish but no no no i've never been to a synagogue my grandparents were in

02:03:45.060 world war ii my grandfather you know cath catholic and okay so what so what are your thoughts on

02:03:53.700 trump being next to zionists and zionists also well i think it's just well i think that you're

02:03:59.780 kind of talking about you know you're getting into like campaign finances and you know the money that

02:04:06.980 comes in etc etc yeah you know there's different important details no it's the nitty-gritty important

02:04:12.740 details yeah okay i think right well i think we need to segue and get off this is going i disagree

02:04:17.780 yeah but anyways anyways like like anyways i i think you know i agree i agree with rachel because

02:04:23.460 we're kind of like getting into like the whole you know there's we can go on about the muslims

02:04:30.420 that support him we can go on about there's so many different things you know what i mean like

02:04:34.340 there's so many different angles that you can look at that and you're going to end up talking

02:04:39.540 in what i call a revolving door it's like nobody nobody's all right okay thank you so much

02:04:45.940 because i have to exit out you know thank you for your response to that liz yeah yeah no i appreciate

02:04:51.620 it but i have to exit out soon so what i'll leave this by saying in regards to canadian politics

02:04:56.020 you know i'm actually um thrilled to see that um hopefully there will be some accountability

02:05:01.540 with the crovet the covet crimes that we all we're not here to talk about covet i'm so sorry

02:05:06.720 thank you for coming on okay so you don't want to talk about that okay we're well aware of the

02:05:10.000 covet stuff thank you yeah yeah so anyways i'll just leave it by saying that's all that you know

02:05:15.300 i had to say is that that's what i'm looking forward to and that's it right thank you that's

02:05:20.220 thank you liz okay so let's get back to uh actual solutions in canada for reversing uh the radical

02:05:29.960 demographic change uh that's what i would want to talk about actually ricardo while you're here

02:05:35.320 maybe it'd actually be interesting to i thought of a question while uh well israel came up is there

02:05:41.520 anything unique or noteworthy uh when it comes to the cultural nationalism of israel uh because

02:05:49.800 there's also let's be real there's a lot of jewish people or israeli people in america and canada who

02:05:54.220 are very passionate about the needs and wants of the nation of israel even though they're in canada

02:06:01.400 and they and they're canadian presumably but they also like prioritize a foreign nation more than

02:06:06.760 their own uh are you aware of this sort of phenomena um sorry i really don't mean to do

02:06:13.300 but like i find it very strange because in in the time that i asked liz if she was jewish i've been

02:06:19.020 sent five different instances of her claiming to be jewish in tweets so this is just a really

02:06:24.500 strange thing to me that she would say that multiple times and then deny it when she's

02:06:29.080 called out in the context of really influence hey hey if she's on your radar that clip it

02:06:35.320 you know do what you will um this this this space is not supposed to be a you know uh

02:06:41.860 grilling liz churchill fest it was maybe for a minute there but you know let's move on with

02:06:47.120 actual topic of this space uh dr ricardo did you have any thoughts on uh the cultural nationalism

02:06:53.680 of uh israel and how it relates maybe to what we were just talking about well yes israel is

02:07:00.960 it's an ethnic state uh the and jews throughout the world uh are really supportive of israel

02:07:11.440 although there are some Jews that are on the left and they don't agree with a lot of the things that

02:07:21.040 the Israel government does. So you do have quite a few strong critics of what's going on in Israel,

02:07:31.040 but by and large they tend to be very nationalistic, ethnocentric and all of that.

02:07:41.440 I don't I mean I am fully aware of the Jewish question I have read Kevin McDonough's work I

02:07:48.540 never met him many times Jewish question what emails I wrote a lot for his journal

02:07:54.420 um at the same time I'm not um a guy who says it is the Jews to everything that everybody says I

02:08:05.120 mean you can find this in I don't even I don't even know what you're talking about Jewish question

02:08:10.000 never even heard of that maybe a more direct question would be um you know are jewish people

02:08:16.760 a religion or an ethnicity or uh you know from it's funny it's funny you you phrase the question

02:08:25.340 like that greg because i i wanted to go through some of the things that trump did specifically

02:08:29.840 for jews in his first presidency and the things that he's promised that he will do for them in

02:08:33.820 this term uh and one of those things that he did in his first presidency was sign an executive order

02:08:39.620 which defines jewish people as a race and the reason he did this was because it gives them

02:08:44.660 explicit access to certain civil rights and certain litigations them so by definition in

02:08:49.940 the united states yes they are a race and trump did that to give them more power wow um thoughts

02:08:59.220 dr ricardo yes i mean jews are very powerful in the united states at the same time

02:09:08.100 Americans, the culture of Americans is very Jewish. It's not that Jews are simply pulling

02:09:19.340 strings. It's that Americans have a deep attachment to Jews. Christians, many of them

02:09:28.920 are really pro-Israeli, and it's not as if they're being forced to be. They just really

02:09:34.820 believe in it and there is no way in the united states that you're going anywhere if you are

02:09:42.020 anti-israel you're just not going to go anywhere um so i don't i wouldn't thank you for the two

02:09:48.460 dollars i wouldn't i i wouldn't go against trump and say okay free policy trump is not good nothing

02:09:54.560 happened or it didn't matter whether kamal or he was elected i'm sorry i missed a super chat earlier

02:09:59.200 Because, oh, he's really pro-Jewish, and then leave it at that.

02:10:02.800 Because that's a defeatist attitude. 0.92

02:10:06.080 I ask, so how many tank divisions do you have?

02:10:10.280 How much power do you have?

02:10:12.180 Or people who make these kinds of criticism.

02:10:14.460 Many of them don't even use their names.

02:10:17.060 They're anonymous.

02:10:18.700 They're online.

02:10:19.960 They're isolated.

02:10:21.300 So you have to be realistic that the election of Trump was a big win for our side.

02:10:26.580 um the left is going crazy in the united states um they do believe he's fascist for a reason

02:10:34.900 because there are many aspects about his policies that are um you know closer to us

02:10:44.140 uh so i i look at this in a long-term geopolitical way way as well um it's not

02:10:53.100 When people say about Canada, I also look at what's going on with Ukraine, Russia.

02:11:00.320 I think it would be a real blow to the liberal progressive order if Russia wins the war in Ukraine.

02:11:11.540 Whereas if Ukraine wins, it's going to be a big blow for us. 0.55

02:11:16.240 That means the liberal order is expanding.

02:11:21.580 It's gaining influence and confidence. This war meant everything to them. I have never seen a

02:11:28.060 situation since the Second World War when you have European nations, even Canada. Canada has always 0.77

02:11:35.020 taken a pacifist stand and now and then it gives a bit of support to this or that war, but not the

02:11:41.340 way they went in support for Ukraine. And this is the same with Estonia, this is the same with the

02:11:46.860 Baltic stakes, they all went in. Why? Because they believe this is a huge geopolitical issue to the 0.86

02:11:53.900 world liberal order. So a defeat for them, to me, is a big win for us. Now I know there are some

02:12:02.220 guys, white nationalists that are for Ukraine, and I'm not going to get into that debate.

02:12:08.060 I will just say what I think, why I think it is a big geopolitical issue for our side.

02:12:15.500 So in the case of Trump, he's going to be pro-Iran, really Zionist, pro-Israel,

02:12:24.700 but he's going to be not so against Russia and not so for Ukraine. So that is a bit of a win

02:12:35.580 for our side, the way I see it. And there are many other things that he's going to do that are

02:12:41.580 our wing for our side um so that's what i would argue okay thank you thank you dr ricardo all

02:12:51.340 right yeah and i gotta go yes thank you so much for helping on we appreciate it we appreciate it

02:12:57.420 yeah yeah so my science guy was good talking to all of you yes we appreciate your insights

02:13:04.780 so let's refocus this conversation kind of back to where we started it all started because

02:13:10.940 Maxine Bernier made this tweet with Hindus in the photo and a lot of people felt hey this is kind of

02:13:17.120 missing the mark why would you post this you know you have deportations in your policy now and you're

02:13:22.920 making photos like this so let's kind of let's focus on the future and what is the best path

02:13:30.360 forward or what we think can be effective now a lot of what you say ferryman I appreciate but also

02:13:37.660 like my critique would be this is uh idealistic it's a radical idealistic thing i think it's very

02:13:44.720 useful in terms of rhetoric in terms of energy but in terms of like how can we actually apply

02:13:50.440 this to reality and how can we actually you know start getting start winning hearts and minds today

02:13:56.240 of the average canadian because one thing you did say is and i was actually i've never heard this

02:14:01.360 kind of perspective but i thought it was interesting which is you know is this tweet

02:14:04.880 from actually pandering to hindus or is it maybe actually pandering to guilty white people who feel

02:14:11.720 like oh yeah see i told you the ppc isn't racist and like that's why this is a good tweet and here's

02:14:17.040 the thing just to play devil's advocate a lot of canadians are like that unfortunately a lot of

02:14:22.940 them are still in that pocket of kind of knowing something's wrong wanting to support something

02:14:27.880 more radical but also feeling more safe that uh that there's a brown person there you know what

02:14:33.860 i'm saying so like if you want me to answer your question directly like yes i i believe i genuinely

02:14:41.080 believe that that was who he was pandering to more than the hindus um i think that you're correct

02:14:47.540 when you say that's true of a lot of canadians but that is the problem the problem is that so

02:14:53.200 many canadians feel that their their views are not valid unless these random foreigners who showed up

02:14:59.000 last week or the rabid leftists approve of them this is the thing like civic nationalism is a

02:15:04.580 perfect example of this what it is is a diluted down watered down version of nationalism that is

02:15:11.140 supposed to be kind of okay within the leftist moral framework because it's inclusive so this

02:15:17.620 in and of itself is part of the problem we don't have uh you know a problem with uh resources we

02:15:24.500 have all the resources we have all the manpower uh we have like you know all the capability to do

02:15:30.220 what needs to be done what we the real problem that canadians have and you know the western

02:15:36.340 world in general all european peoples have right now is a spiritual one and so this is the real

02:15:42.620 problem and this is what i try to to fight for i'm not trying to get people to think of pragmatic

02:15:48.740 solutions of how how are we going to achieve this technically you know within the framework of the

02:15:54.480 existing legislation and the mechanics of government and all of that to me is is irrelevant

02:15:59.540 because if we can develop the spiritual will to actually change things to actually put things in

02:16:06.200 on the right track all of this stuff is just you know it's noise it's it's stuff that you know

02:16:11.760 falls into place what you need is the fighting spirit that's what you need out of out of people

02:16:17.940 and so when i hear people say things like oh well we can't do that because we'll be called this

02:16:23.340 or you know we're not thinking of the limitations i mean they have pieces of paper that say they're

02:16:28.700 canadians and you know that this person you know they're kind of cool so they like all of this

02:16:33.320 stuff is is people coping with with not being willing to actually fight they want it easy and

02:16:40.120 that's the whole difference between me i don't want you to vote i don't want you to go vote for

02:16:45.860 a party that's going to give you what you want i want you to become a fighter start fighting at

02:16:51.580 the individual level in your daily life constantly don't rely on a politician who's advocating for

02:16:57.820 certain policies that you can go check a box on on election day every four years that's not what's

02:17:03.880 going to get us out of this situation we need a fighting spirit we need to mobilize as a people

02:17:09.320 not as a party as a people this is the key crux that that is lost in politics and this is why i

02:17:16.180 find politics so abhorrent is that it is constantly resorts back to the moral framework that has been

02:17:22.580 dictated to us as being acceptable when in reality we need to reject that moral framework entirely

02:17:27.980 and say we're going to do this and we don't care who says it's okay or acceptable or whatever

02:17:33.280 we're organizing we're here to fight for our people we have a right to exist and we're not

02:17:38.900 going to negotiate that away that is the attitude that wins us wins for us in the end not politicking

02:17:46.120 not electioneering not optics it's a it's an attitude that that needs to come from it's look

02:17:53.520 let me just put it this way we need a triumph of the will not elections we need our people to

02:17:59.140 mobilize and just will uh are what we want into existence i know that sounds idealistic but

02:18:06.260 ultimately that's what has to be done yeah i mean i i certainly appreciate uh you know i agree with

02:18:13.080 that sentiment because just when you when you see sort of the demoralization or just kind of like

02:18:17.840 the deep pit the deep hole that so many canadians are in like mentally emotionally and spiritually

02:18:23.700 of being so far away from even beginning to stand up for themselves it's like yeah why do i feel why

02:18:29.040 do i feel like you know checking a mark on a ballot box is not going to change this there

02:18:33.640 truly does need to be something that is spiritual um uh do you i don't want to go off on too much

02:18:41.320 of a segue but mr ricardo was talking about christianity being fundamental to uh to cultural

02:18:48.920 the cultural nationalism of canada is that at all something that you think is important for uh for

02:18:56.640 what canadians are facing right now ferryman incorporating uh christianity into into our

02:19:02.980 identity and and using that to to cultivate that will so to speak

02:19:07.460 i think this so the c question specifically with christianity obviously i have no issue with

02:19:16.000 with christianity i think that canada is a christian nation it was founded as a christian

02:19:21.040 nation that isn't up for debate we had religious laws in this country up until like 2006 you know

02:19:27.140 no shop on sunday's laws um so the idea that we you can separate christianity from the canadian

02:19:33.300 experience is nonsense um and that's what they try to do they do this all the time uh they say 0.67

02:19:38.640 that uh you know we we believe in religious freedom in Canada well that was true in the

02:19:42.840 Canadian context but it was not uh pluralistic in the sense of like Islam and Hinduism and Sikhism

02:19:48.820 at least for the vast majority of Canadian history um so obviously you know you can't separate those

02:19:56.080 two but that being said uh Christianity like many things has been subverted drastically since the

02:20:02.780 the you know in the post-war era since the end of the second world war christianity has undergone

02:20:07.740 this this massive subversion that has turned it into this toothless kind of the the only thing 0.66

02:20:13.360 christianity seems to have teeth on um is israel um you've got you know 90 million christian 0.83

02:20:20.280 zionists in the united states and most of the evangelicals in canada which you know there's

02:20:24.820 less of but they're they're rabid supporters of israel like and on top of this too the like there's

02:20:31.780 a huge problem with christianity in that um you'll see this a lot with christians like um

02:20:36.620 they like to say that uh you know uh christians should be welcome from all over and look we're

02:20:43.820 seeing it play out in europe in particular where you get these so-called christians from africa

02:20:49.200 who uh you know don't really uh align with what europeans would call christian values do they

02:20:55.720 So, look, I think Christianity is historically significant, but I also think that it's incredibly subverted and to base a nationalist movement around Christianity in 2024, there's huge problems with.

02:21:11.000 And this is, you know, for, for us, like speaking for me personally, I put folk over faith always. Um, I don't, I don't particularly care what your religious beliefs are. Um, as long as, as you're fighting for our, uh, you know, survival as a people. Um, so, so I, I will always default to that. 0.85

02:21:30.320 um i appreciate christians i i am culturally christian obviously i was raised catholic i still

02:21:37.040 you know engage in biblical reading sometimes um i i am really a huge appreciator of christian

02:21:44.420 history but i don't think that that's the the ideology that's going to get us through this

02:21:48.700 um at least not not unless it's in conjunction with some kind of um you know ethnic movement

02:21:55.300 and understanding that um you know the the reason the things that people like about christianity

02:22:01.200 uh here i'll just summarize with this i think that christianity was influenced more by europeans

02:22:08.400 than europeans were influenced by christianity that's that's my my take on it and so i think

02:22:15.160 that emphasizing the the racial aspect will always be more important than emphasizing the religious

02:22:21.000 aspect and i i you know here i'll sum up this will be the last thing i would rather live with a

02:22:27.900 norwegian pagan than uh you know christians from the congo and i would rather live with christians

02:22:34.540 from germany than pagans from uh india so and i think most people would agree with that if you're

02:22:42.260 a christian you would probably a european christian i should say you would probably say

02:22:47.240 you that you would rather live with you know atheistic or agnostic europeans than you would

02:22:52.760 with i don't know uh christians from india or i don't know i don't pick pick a destination outside

02:23:00.740 of europe um so that that's my perspective on it okay thank you for that um i saw you unmuting

02:23:07.600 earlier trance did you want to comment on this i did i just feel like the doctor summed it up

02:23:13.440 pretty good that it is cultural and what fairman's talking about about race i feel equally important

02:23:19.120 that he mentioned spirituality but christianity is just as important that's the glue that's what

02:23:23.800 keeps a community together is gathering once a week to say i agree with you may peace be with

02:23:28.380 you may peace also be with you just gathering to agree on something is the glue that's held

02:23:32.500 our foundations together for all this time so it's very important it's easier to do that in

02:23:36.640 the medium of religion than it is to get together and go i remember when ragnar was thrown into the

02:23:41.520 snake pit and then damage the saxon gene pool in mercia it just doesn't have that same ring to it

02:23:47.920 so i think it's an equally important spoke on the wheel of culture that the doctor was mentioning

02:23:53.660 and i was trying to find common ground with ferryman earlier by giving credit to whites

02:23:58.440 and europeans for creating the culture we live in and saying that ppc is just a mechanism and i'm

02:24:03.580 glad i was corrected on civnet that's not something i'm passionate about or i'm like oh i'm a civnet

02:24:08.400 I never even think of that. I just know that I'm not white exclusive for in a political realm when I'm looking for people to vote, especially if they want to join our culture and how successfully they'll integrate into that culture.

02:24:21.700 I totally agree. If I could discriminate and say we would prefer white Europeans in here because they tend to assimilate easier into our culture, then I would easily argue that once we're at a place where we can argue such things. 0.82

02:24:35.000 But right now, the Overton window is so shut that you're called a racist. So am I. I'm called a racist quite a lot. And Ferryman, I'm sorry for calling you a racist, but it was something that you were advertising. And I put it in a totally different class when you're saying that you want to connect with politics and you want to support PPC. And you're also doing like shit skins. Everyone who's not white, you're gone. And you never elaborate on it with some kind of philosophy or system for how this will happen. You've got to understand that that's a very toxic look.

02:25:02.360 so that's the only reason i was mentioning it but i am called a racist just as much as you are

02:25:07.040 because i'm advocating many of the same things of a focus on actual european culture that built

02:25:12.820 this society and once we set up a meritocracy it will be exactly what that doctor was talking

02:25:17.880 about it'll be based on cultural nationalism so that's kind of a bit of both of ours but i

02:25:23.140 understand that you're very passionate about the one lane of ethnicity i actually agree with you

02:25:27.840 with what you said about christianity i actually do think that that is the value of religious

02:25:32.160 systems regardless of what they are is that they serve as a gathering point for people and even in

02:25:37.400 the context of like you you can trace this this is what uh you know led to the destruction of a lot

02:25:42.620 of you if you go back and you look at the decline of church attendance in canada you'll see that

02:25:47.900 this this directly correlates with our decline as as a people um and and that's because i don't

02:25:53.880 think that's a lot of people say that this is because of the morality or the religion itself

02:25:58.480 i disagree i think it's more of the mechanism of of the community building that that attending

02:26:04.360 church has and so well i i 100 agree with you if you if church does it for you if that's how you

02:26:11.040 connect with your community by all means but there are other ways as well and that's one thing that

02:26:15.760 we emphasize which is things like you know communal training events communal hiking events

02:26:20.680 like these are these achieve the same end you know potluck dinners all of this stuff these are

02:26:25.140 things that were a huge part of the church outside of the spiritual aspect of it and that's what part

02:26:30.200 of what we're trying to rebuild in a way that is more modernized look church works too though right 0.62

02:26:35.520 did you want to address what very uh what trans said that uh you have a toxic look when you say

02:26:41.900 things like uh well i don't i i don't know if i particularly like i don't tend to use the the 0.94

02:26:48.640 term shit skin or anything like that. I prefer, I prefer Pajit. I think it's funnier and it's more 0.97

02:26:53.260 kind of, uh, you know, endearing, but, uh, that being said, um, look, uh, again, this, this comes

02:27:00.900 back to the attitude, which is part of the problem we have here is this kind of always conforming to

02:27:07.800 the optics of what is deemed acceptable by the left. The moral framework from which we operate

02:27:14.240 depends on us you know we can't say that word you can't frame it like that you know this is a bad

02:27:20.420 optics the media will run with this and i think the personally i think the correct approach to

02:27:26.580 break this is to actually go well beyond what they deem is acceptable and even beyond what the right

02:27:33.640 thinks is acceptable i think the overton window is that is that for like is that what the ppc

02:27:39.400 should do or you're just saying i'm not saying it's i'm not saying it's what the ppc let me put

02:27:44.640 it this way part of the reason the left has succeeded so much in shifting the overton window

02:27:50.700 over the last 60 years is because they do not counter signal their radicals and so the the

02:27:58.280 perfect example of this is that you will never hear justin trudeau condemn a transgender you 0.99

02:28:04.280 know whatever drag queen performer for showing their testicles to children you will never hear 0.99

02:28:09.360 him criticize antifa for their raucous riots you will never hear him uh you know counter signal 0.99

02:28:16.180 leftist academics who talk about you know how white whiteness needs to be destroyed or that 0.97

02:28:22.520 white people are evil you'll never hear that you will never hear one of the left establishment 0.97

02:28:27.580 figures counter signal the extreme leftist radicals and that is why they have been able 0.99

02:28:32.560 to succeed. Whereas on our side, the establishment figures, the Trumps, the Paulievs, the whoever,

02:28:40.440 right? Anybody who's kind of perceived to be on the right, not only do they counter signal their

02:28:44.760 radicals on the right, they will actively try to cancel them and say that they do not condone or

02:28:51.340 appreciate the rhetoric of our side. So basically what I'm saying is you actually need these people 0.55

02:28:59.340 who are going to engage in extreme rhetoric why because they're the ones who break the ground

02:29:04.140 and shift the overton window so that organizations like the ppc or conservative parties or more uh

02:29:11.920 what you might call optics friendly kind of organizations can operate without being called

02:29:17.940 racist basically what i'm saying is they're we're decoys we're the ones who attract all of the

02:29:22.900 the attacks and we're the ones who who face all the scrutiny and we're the ones who get

02:29:27.920 lambasted by the media and that allows for these groups kind of that sit more to the center to

02:29:33.780 shift a little to the right and so the perfect example this is like mass deportations like that

02:29:39.000 would have been that would have been completely unthinkable a few years ago for even the ppc to

02:29:43.860 say yeah we believe in mass deportations it was radicals calling for mass deportations and being

02:29:49.960 unapologetic about it that allows the ppc to then filter in and occupy that space that was opened up

02:29:56.320 by the radicals so i guess if there's one thing i can ask from you know more uh mainstream optics

02:30:04.060 friendly whatever you want to call it uh entities in in right-wing politics it's for the love of god

02:30:09.680 stop counter signaling the people who you think are you know vulgar or uh you know extreme or you

02:30:17.600 know maybe going a little bit too far because them going a little bit too far is what makes

02:30:22.040 it acceptable for you to go far enough yeah i mean i i think i would mostly uh agree with that

02:30:30.940 because you totally nailed it with saying the the left never counter signals their radicals

02:30:36.540 and on our side you know we i i think you brought it up but polyev is horrible for this polyev is

02:30:42.340 like the biggest gatekeeper of them all and constantly at the drop of a hat he disavowed

02:30:47.720 christine anderson for saying well she said that trudeau's a disgrace to democracy to me that is

02:30:53.960 just like the worst example of that um but i can't speak for trans here but i guess like we might as

02:31:00.380 well talk about it which is like the the concern is that maybe uh the worst of the worst person

02:31:07.200 on social media who has a diagonal on in their profile that will get associated uh with the ppc

02:31:14.800 and and make it harder for the ppc and you know especially when the policy is um to deport you

02:31:24.580 know that's that's gonna come up like it's kind of an inevitability inevitability to kind of for

02:31:30.720 them to try and use this cancel culture tactic so i guess i'm really of the thought of the belief

02:31:36.780 that um the ppc needs to know that success is getting all of those smears thrown at you you

02:31:46.740 know like if you're successful if if max is effective as ppc is effective and we get those

02:31:51.740 we get those thrown at us but it's also part of the project cactus was to do exactly what ferryman

02:31:57.580 was doing but they make fake accounts that launch the most racist things to give fodder to be

02:32:02.280 marginalized in the hearts and minds in a fifth generation warfare that ppc is radical they're

02:32:07.140 far right they're extreme they have direct connections so that's why i'm like wondering

02:32:11.320 is it that you want to be a force that moves the overton window and stays distant from ppc

02:32:16.580 but you also seem to exist in a milieu where you're like i we're your voters uh appeal to us

02:32:22.500 or we're gone and i'm like there's got to be a goldilocks zone where we can operate and coexist

02:32:27.960 or else like it really feels like an anti-PPC sentiment like I have never gone in and felt

02:32:35.280 anything balanced politically uh maybe I don't know maybe Derek I don't know some people have

02:32:41.260 said it sometimes but it feels like there it's grown increasingly hostile towards PPC and I've

02:32:47.160 seen a long history of groups distancing and hating and feeling like almost a jealous vibe

02:32:53.360 we got there first like fairman you guys are very powerful you do move the online window quite

02:32:58.860 heavily you've got a very loyal following it's uh very motivated people but um there's the effects

02:33:05.400 of reality are gigantic there are people that i see and work with every day in halifax that have

02:33:09.780 had enough that have never heard of diagonal and they've just had enough because the chaos of

02:33:13.240 society is matching what the rhetoric max has been preaching since 2019 no more mass immigration

02:33:18.000 sounds a lot less crazy and i'm just kind of in this let's not blow it don't blow it and i get

02:33:24.200 that you're pushing the window but there's also a line where it's like this is public figures

02:33:29.040 speaking in politics this isn't anonymous guys jockeying for who can say the most edgy thing

02:33:34.820 and move up the ladder of no i'm edgier i i'm so what i'm telling you is that if you ever want to

02:33:41.780 win eventually you will have to cross the line and you like i don't understand you know this like

02:33:47.100 you know that no no but you're you're talking like a sage of winning when civ nationalism has

02:33:51.960 been winning so i'm like i'm looking at the demonstrated history of how to achieve political

02:33:56.400 power in a country and it doesn't include ethno nationalism it includes cultural nationalism as

02:34:03.280 the doctor was realigning me to fine let's call it that but it includes doing that and pursuing

02:34:08.740 that vein and and i just don't see this is you know i don't see the extreme we you got to do

02:34:15.760 exactly this and i see a lot of people who are stuck in that i can't get on board with ppc unless

02:34:21.160 it's fucking perfect and nothing will ever be perfect so so can i interject here can i i actually 0.79

02:34:28.520 do want to hear from you for sex but i just want to respond to alex quickly which is i think 0.93

02:34:32.360 fundamentally we have different victory conditions so like your your victory conditions basically are

02:34:38.640 ppc takes power um through civic nationalism and then we start implementing you know ppc

02:34:45.340 policies and you know if that doesn't result in us being able to um you know have uh an ethnic

02:34:52.720 homeland for the canadian people explicitly that's not victory to me like that that is my

02:34:58.640 victory to me either like i have tiered expectations first is survival first the

02:35:03.040 tyrant is going to use every he controls the environment think of it as sun zoo they control

02:35:07.080 the media they control the hearts and minds of most people who are weak we're at the time where

02:35:10.860 weak people are creating a destroyed society so while we're living in that we work with what we

02:35:16.020 have among us you're doing your project over here and i agree men do need to get stronger when i see 0.94

02:35:22.340 you guys doing like we're fucking going to the gym we're caring about our bodies like jeremy has 0.99

02:35:26.260 really strengthened the culture of white people and we deserve it fuck we're demonized from every 0.99

02:35:32.320 fucking angle but there's also stuff like christianity fertility rates there's many things 1.00

02:35:37.600 to be done without pointing the finger until you're gone i can't have children no it has to 0.99

02:35:43.060 be both okay let's hear from let's hear from four to sacks firstly uh man what a night we're going

02:35:51.560 past two and a half almost three hours here i wanted to thank greg rachel uh trans and ferryman

02:35:57.480 for the very stimulating conversation so um i believe what about liz you didn't thank liz

02:36:04.780 sorry yeah i look i wasn't going to comment on that um so what i wanted to say is this there's

02:36:12.260 a lot of ground that i want to cover or at the very least add to that everybody else has already

02:36:16.800 added uh so i'm kind of an acolyte of dr duchene uh one of the most important books i think for

02:36:24.120 canadians is canada in decay if you've never read it you probably should and it actually chronicles

02:36:29.920 very important history as far as the Canadian people and their formation are concerned.

02:36:35.800 So there's a number of things that I'm going to cover here.

02:36:37.880 And the first is a very quick synopsis of the formation of the two nations that constitute Canada.

02:36:44.440 Number one, obviously, is the Quebecois.

02:36:48.660 The Quebecois, under Samuel de Champlain, came to Quebec in 1608,

02:36:53.400 and they founded the settlement that would become Quebec City.

02:36:55.660 The second group of Canadians mostly came in 1790.

02:36:59.920 after the American Revolutionary War.

02:37:03.680 And so they set up shop in Upper Canada, which is now Ontario, and New Brunswick.

02:37:09.520 And these people were loyalist Americans.

02:37:12.920 Their population and their numbers increased dramatically

02:37:16.840 with one to three million British settlers who arrived in Canada over the next 200 years.

02:37:23.020 And what's fascinating is that these British settlers actually assimilated

02:37:27.940 to the loyalist american culture and not the other way around so already we see the seeds

02:37:35.560 and the vestiges of an anglo-canadian identity emerging in ontario and new brunswick and you

02:37:42.980 can see it here to this day the uh just to the province of sorry just just to clarify for people

02:37:49.340 the loyalists who came from america basically the american revolution happened and the loyalists

02:37:54.960 were like, F that, we're actually still loyal to the Queen

02:37:57.540 and we're going to go to Canada.

02:37:59.980 Well, they were loyal to King George

02:38:01.960 and not for reasons that a lot of people think.

02:38:06.440 But what I'm really getting at here

02:38:08.300 is that Canada is a country with two constituent nations.

02:38:13.500 And to build off of what Dr. Duchesne was saying,

02:38:16.500 he was saying that a people, a nation,

02:38:19.040 they're not just a race,

02:38:20.380 they're actually not just a culture,

02:38:21.780 and they're not just the people who have specific values.

02:38:25.580 They're a combination of all of these things.

02:38:28.280 So when you look at the two founding groups of Canada,

02:38:31.780 they are the Anglo-Canadians and they are the French.

02:38:35.880 And if you look at the 2021 census from Statistics Canada,

02:38:40.280 I have it open right now.

02:38:41.780 As of 2021, ethnic Canadians are 72% of the entire population.

02:38:49.620 So we have been told our entire lives that Canada has been a cultural mosaic,

02:38:55.320 and they used the excuse of the very nascent European multiculturalism at the time

02:39:01.700 to justify the mass immigration throughout the 20th century.

02:39:05.360 But the reality was those four constituent groups from the British Isles merged.

02:39:11.140 They converged.

02:39:12.960 They went under something called an ethnogenesis.

02:39:16.080 so anglo-canadians from new brunswick all the way to bc are a single people you might think of

02:39:24.500 yourself as oh i've got irish ancestry i've got scottish ancestry but these disparate groups

02:39:30.200 these different ethnic groups they don't exist anymore they're actually just one so the two

02:39:35.120 major groups are the entire bedrock of canada to this day and to touch upon what ferryman was

02:39:41.840 talking about I was in a PPC space last night and I was listening to a lot of people I won't

02:39:48.440 mention names but they're like well how is it that we have white nationalists in the PPC and

02:39:53.640 I'm gonna vote for conservative and I'm gonna do this and that it's not okay with me you know my

02:40:00.140 experience as an Anglo-Quebecer I kind of got a foot in both pools okay I'm of both Anglo-Canadian

02:40:06.660 and Quebecois heritage and I will tell you this growing up in Quebec growing up in Montreal

02:40:11.260 there is no question of what a Canadian is and if you go to Quebec to this day

02:40:16.140 there is no question what a Canadian is the Quebecois for better or for worse

02:40:21.500 for the last 400 years have maintained an extremely strong identity that they

02:40:26.480 have aggressively defended from anything and everything that has threatened them

02:40:30.540 to the point where they had has manifested in the policies of their

02:40:34.480 province to the benefit of their people and the reason is they see themselves as

02:40:40.380 as a people. What I've seen from the rest of Canada is that Anglo-Canadians do not see

02:40:46.400 themselves as a people when they are. They are a people. They are a distinct ethnic group

02:40:51.960 in this country. They're the Anglo component of all of Canada. So, you know, we were talking,

02:41:00.980 we're like, okay, well, we have the spirit. And then on one end, we have the, you know,

02:41:05.220 in terms of policy, what can be practically done about this? Well, when I look to that province,

02:41:10.380 What I see is the number of cultural-preserving institutions and policies that have worked to their benefit.

02:41:18.760 So, for example, you want to look at that province.

02:41:22.040 Quebec only receives 50,000 immigrants per year.

02:41:26.480 They're aggressively vetted.

02:41:28.860 They rely on criteria that is mostly cultural compatibility matrix.

02:41:35.460 So the only people they allowed to the province already have pre-existing similarities to that province, because the further away you are, the less likely you're going to integrate people.

02:41:45.540 Quebec, for the last 49 years, has been the only province in the country to even attempt to integrate foreigners.

02:41:53.840 So to speak to Trance, or Alex, I guess, you know, I personally don't think that Max was necessarily pandering.

02:42:04.280 I think he was being a good-natured Canadian.

02:42:06.980 I think he was saying, hey, listen, we can bring these people into the fold.

02:42:12.000 I think he was saying that we can extend the olive branch.

02:42:16.300 But to criticize the notion of coalition building with this massive group of foreigners in the country,

02:42:22.280 the main issue now is that Canada does not have the social infrastructure to provide that integration. 0.97

02:42:28.700 And when you look at a situation like Brampton, which is a city of 750,000 people and is 82 South Asian and has been allowed to grow into this absolutely catastrophically massive group of people who do not align with Canada, who do not align with Canadian culture or values or religion, there is practically nothing you can do about it except dismantle it. 0.88

02:42:52.840 So, as Ferryman has pointed out before, to sacrifice probably your most ardent supporters for what might amount to 10% to 15% of that cohort is probably not a very smart thing to do. 0.92

02:43:06.460 We're in a situation now, I notice a lot of people are getting blocked under Max's page.

02:43:12.740 I, for some reason, haven't been blocked. I consider that a good thing.

02:43:16.440 But I said, you know, I don't believe that this is the right path to go on.

02:43:20.340 we must unite under our common Anglo and French identity because that is what we are and that is what we have always been.

02:43:29.720 We have always been a country of two nations. We have always been Anglo, Canadian and French.

02:43:36.620 So my main issue with the PPC, I guess to an extent, my main issue with half of Canada is this failure of recognizance that Canadians are a people.

02:43:47.100 because if you don't know who you are, then you don't know what foreigners are going to identify

02:43:52.480 with. If you don't even know what a Canadian is, how can you expect an East Indian to know what a

02:43:58.500 Canadian is? How can you expect them to integrate and assimilate to you if you don't even define 1.00

02:44:03.100 your values or your origins or your history, right? So there can and will not be any integration

02:44:08.900 with significant numbers of foreigners based on this current situation. So people were talking

02:44:16.080 about you know once again we'll go back to policies quebec has recognized itself as a

02:44:22.080 distinct society it recognizes itself as a distinct ethnic group an immutable immovable

02:44:29.120 rock solid ethnic group that is exclusive to them and if assimilation and integration is possible

02:44:35.840 pre-existing similarities have to exist and they face a tremendous amount of social pressure to do 0.88

02:44:41.200 so and only then can we have integration only then can we wholesomely amalgamate newcomers

02:44:48.800 into this country who want to be canadian but as it stands right now there are no social incentives

02:44:54.320 the status of canadian culture is not high enough to incentivize uh people to want to be canadian

02:45:01.520 so the status of canadian culture has to be elevated the social infrastructure has to be

02:45:06.560 there so that they can move into that mode of thinking where they're like okay you know what

02:45:11.360 i'm in it i'm willing to abandon my pre-existing culture and identity to join yours and that's a

02:45:16.880 massive ask that's a massive ask for anybody of any culture and if you look at our own history

02:45:22.800 it took an insurmountable amount of effort just to get the english and the french cooperating

02:45:28.480 and to this day that's still not even really the case it is mostly it's settled into an uneasy

02:45:33.520 but we had a hard time integrating other people so you know when people say oh well we need to

02:45:39.580 coalition build with all these individuals the reality is you're pulling the cart before the

02:45:43.680 horse you're you're you have to build up this entire infrastructure before that happens

02:45:48.500 so yeah to just to close here I believe that the the seeds of ethnic nationalism

02:45:57.500 while allowing some degree of foreign integration they're already here they

02:46:02.840 already exist we already have a successful model for it you know that's 1.00

02:46:08.120 all that has to be done mass deportations you know for people who are

02:46:12.260 still squeamish about this the Trump administration is already doing that the

02:46:15.740 second largest political party in Germany is already talking about that in fact

02:46:19.340 that's the exact subject that they were voted in on I guess the Germans have a

02:46:23.780 lot of faith that that's going to happen. And for less, you know, less direct and aggressive methods 0.64

02:46:28.920 that do seem to be working, Denmark and Sweden actually have a very successful model, so it

02:46:35.280 seems, of sending a lot of these people home, either by paying them or they set up cultural

02:46:40.280 policies that incentivize either assimilation or leaving. And if you don't make the cut, then they

02:46:44.680 leave on their own. So everybody here tonight has brought up a number of positive points, a lot of

02:46:49.640 good points um but there is a way to tie all of this together thank you yeah wow can i just respond

02:46:58.040 quickly i think everything you're talking about about quebec and the way that they've situated

02:47:02.440 themselves is exactly in the policies of ppc defining our cultures as that and stopping

02:47:07.720 immigration until we have a values test in some way of knowing are you going to have the conversation

02:47:13.640 no one isn't even having the conversation when you say how many can we successfully assimilate

02:47:17.880 It's a very complicated calculation of do you guys care enough about your culture to make anyone else want to assimilate?

02:47:24.120 You need to have a certain pressure of people that are very proud of their culture.

02:47:27.520 Enter ferryman and everyone who's propping up white culture as we're a dominant force because dominance dominates. 0.62

02:47:34.280 If we're not dominant, if we hate ourselves and if we're at the lowest levels ever made because of the multiculturalism lie, no one will ever assimilate. 0.56

02:47:42.060 What kind of welfare mechanisms are we talking about?

02:47:44.180 We're going to have to go through an austerity phase thanks to Trudeau putting our debt into the trillions.

02:47:50.200 So there's going to be a process by which everything you said will come to fruition if you pursue PPC as a strategy.

02:47:56.700 My only problem with what Ferryman was doing was I'll just mute.

02:48:01.560 That'll be my thing. Ferryman, you're going to say what you will about PPC.

02:48:05.240 That's fine. But I felt that you were taking a moment that was a minus 50 point event and you were using everything you could to direct it towards PPC is over.

02:48:13.860 ppc's dead ppc's over ppc's dead and i saw endless amounts of that and me and you have always talked

02:48:18.940 when shit gets hot on tweets we get together and we talk which is why i started this off by going

02:48:24.500 hey maybe we can chat about this and you wanted mods so i'm like okay fine we'll do it with mods 0.90

02:48:29.560 but i thought that the first time we talked having the you know people all around us in like uh fairy

02:48:36.560 camp that was just not letting me talk to you which we normally do we could do it on your 0.67

02:48:40.780 fucking youtube channel or whatever you do it but that normally sorts things out but i didn't feel 0.63

02:48:45.860 that you were being genuinely i want to help the pbc it's tended to have a tone of taking something 0.97

02:48:51.880 that may have been a misstep it was a misstep okay it was a misstep to take a photo it's not

02:48:56.960 a good look but i didn't think it was the mortal blow that i felt you were broadcasting it as

02:49:01.700 all right fair enough i mean you did deny that it was a misstep for for i don't know the first

02:49:09.500 No, in the first debate we had, I said, no, this is actually, if I'm talking to other PPCers, I'm going to say that's a bit cringy.

02:49:15.720 But when I see you saying it's the end of PPC, that forces me into a defensive position. 0.99

02:49:21.020 It's not, oh, he's just Max Bernays, dick in your mouth. 0.99

02:49:24.320 No, it's you're putting me into a place of defense by overcooking the event that happened. 1.00

02:49:29.620 That was how I viewed it.

02:49:31.680 All right, well, I mean, obviously, we're going to remain critical.

02:49:34.420 like again i of all the criticisms i've levied against the ppc i have never once said you should

02:49:41.000 not vote for them to anyone i've never said that i've i've talked about whether i will or won't or

02:49:47.320 whatnot but i've never advised that other people shouldn't in fact i often say like i don't care

02:49:51.980 who you vote for vote for whoever you want i don't if you like i vote for trudeau if you want to 0.93

02:49:57.320 accelerate i don't give a shit like it to me voting is pointless it's pointless and like i 0.68

02:50:03.140 don't hide that fact um and look if we want to because one of the topics that greg had listed 0.94

02:50:08.820 here was is there like is there a political solution and i don't know if we ever really

02:50:12.520 got into that um my answer go ahead greg i was gonna say i thought i thought i actually came

02:50:18.400 up kind of early like we were kind of talking about that i thought in terms of like you're

02:50:22.340 voting once every four years isn't just the whole yeah yeah so so what i want to say on this topic

02:50:27.900 though is that look i when i say i there is no political solution what i mean is in the context

02:50:36.620 of establishment politics and that's typically what people actually do mean when they say it

02:50:41.400 because the reality is um you know a revolution is political there are solutions that that don't

02:50:47.300 require you to engage in party politicking and electioneering there are many historical examples

02:50:53.220 of this so like just to say that the only way out of this is through the establishment political

02:50:58.760 system through elections and party politics is to basically write off every other alternative and

02:51:05.860 say like these aren't viable solutions and that to me that's blackpilling to say that the only way

02:51:11.640 we're getting out of this is if we you know win an election to me that's blackpilling because as we

02:51:16.220 saw elections can be rigged elections can be like they can be stolen um you know it's very easy to

02:51:22.300 manipulate the masses basically you're depending on on the masses coming around to your side and

02:51:28.400 not being tricked you know by the media to me this is not you know the only solution so when i say

02:51:34.320 there's no political solution i just mean elections aren't necessarily the only way that we can win

02:51:38.840 this and and honestly i would i would argue that the chances of of fixing this problem through

02:51:45.920 elections are now so small and and diminishing by the day let's take for example there was somebody

02:51:52.120 did projections recently based on the 2023 immigration levels if if levels aren't uh

02:51:58.880 stopped or and reduced and we go through some kind of mass deportation scenario very quickly

02:52:04.180 we're looking at six years we have six years before we become a minority in our own country

02:52:10.180 and i don't just mean white people i mean canadians right now a third of the country

02:52:16.480 guys a third of the country are foreign born like we're we're on it on the path to drastically

02:52:23.080 becoming a minority in our own country surrounded by foreigners who we can't really determine 1.00

02:52:28.680 whether or not their loyalty is to canada first or to somebody else even if you buy the civic 1.00

02:52:32.920 nationalist argument like this is an untenable situation and we have six years and we both know

02:52:39.600 that trudeau isn't going to fix it and we both know that pierre isn't going to fix it and we both

02:52:44.660 know and this is the truth that the ppc are not winning the next election okay let's just be

02:52:50.860 realistic here for a second and admit that pierre is going to win the next election okay there's no

02:52:56.200 way out of that he's going to win a majority and he's not going to do anything substantial to fix

02:53:01.820 this problem so that sets us at 2029 before there's another election or i guess there could be

02:53:08.120 one within a couple years if pierre deems it you know politically advantageous to do it but he's

02:53:13.520 only going to call an election you know a quick election if he thinks that he can get more of a

02:53:19.020 mandate so the the idea that after the conservatives win a majority you know they're just going to call

02:53:24.100 another one within three years that's that's wishful thinking at best so we're looking at

02:53:28.580 four or five years most likely before you get another election and that puts us at 20 29 20 30

02:53:36.020 okay by that point there will be so many foreign born people living in this country the idea that

02:53:43.340 a populist canadian patriotic party is going to somehow not only win an election but win a

02:53:49.080 majority so that they can actually start changing this is like it's delusional man it's it's to the

02:53:55.620 point of like i don't know so we need a more radical solution that that aims at short-term

02:54:02.860 mobilization of people outside of the political system and that's what i view as a political

02:54:08.760 solution you need people to start organizing and thinking of things in outside of the terms of the

02:54:15.480 ballot box they have to understand that this is a fight that you don't engage in once every four

02:54:21.660 years it's a fight that you engage in every day and it requires your active participation in it

02:54:27.780 you can't just sit on the couch and consume content and act like that's going to change things

02:54:33.120 You can't depend on people to, quote unquote, wake up and realize that you're right.

02:54:38.920 You have to actually become engaged in this process that requires you to organize.

02:54:43.920 So if you're a PPC supporter, you need to actually support the PPC and Canvas.

02:54:49.560 You need to actually organize events.

02:54:51.700 And this is me giving them advice.

02:54:53.260 You have to actually engage in the process.

02:54:55.400 It's not good enough to just show up and vote for them or buy a party membership.

02:54:59.680 That's not enough.

02:55:00.620 and if you're right and you know that i've been espousing that from the beginning

02:55:04.860 no vote i don't care about votes i care about participation when someone says i'm gonna vote 0.99

02:55:10.980 ppc i quote tweet them and say no you've got to live ppc you've got to wear a fucking shirt around 0.98

02:55:16.560 while you're shopping to let people know that it fucking exists 100 we're totally on the same page 0.97

02:55:22.260 in this regard and if you're if you're somebody who doesn't like party politics and you're not 0.92

02:55:26.900 amenable to that that means that you have to get engaged in whatever a nationalist organization

02:55:32.080 some kind of NGO some kind of political body that's actually trying to change things

02:55:38.020 outside of the voting process like this this is not going to be won through votes and legislation

02:55:45.640 it's going to be won through a triumph of the will of people actually choosing to get engaged

02:55:50.940 in the process at the grassroots level so it again that that's ultimately what i'm getting at

02:55:57.560 i focus on getting people to tribe up and actually engage in positive experiences and learn how to

02:56:04.240 organize themselves and that's not as simple as just like we're all going to get together

02:56:07.560 this requires people to actually learn how to engage in logistics to learn how to manage large

02:56:13.120 groups of people if you want to organize a protest in this country you need to be a very good

02:56:17.600 organizer especially if it's a right-wing protest because you're going to be met with all kinds of 0.93

02:56:21.780 nonsense like these are skills and tactics that we are fucking weak on and we need to correct that 0.58

02:56:29.020 right now being able to mobilize large groups of people to specific political causes is something 0.99

02:56:36.120 that we are terrible at and the best example of it was the convoy and that was a clusterfuck

02:56:41.900 okay that was a that was a ragtag group of pissed off people who just showed up and basically had a

02:56:47.920 street party and i was there the whole time and it was amazing and it was beautiful and all those

02:56:52.700 things but if you think that that wasn't a one in a million moments that will never be recreated

02:56:57.780 like i don't i don't know what what delusion you're living in that was something special

02:57:02.080 the odds of that happening again are very small and i don't even know if i want it to happen again

02:57:06.820 because the problem with it is that it was disorganized there was no logistics to it there

02:57:11.320 was there was no intention behind it it was random i'd go farther to say it was intentionally

02:57:16.640 disorganized it was from the top it was always compromise i would agree and and so this is the

02:57:22.600 problem is you need to be actually engaged in this organizational process that's how we actually

02:57:29.340 fix this you can't just sit there and consume content but like honestly this is one thing

02:57:34.640 where i will say the ppc was there with hundreds of people helping out it was jim torma and max

02:57:40.180 Bernier and Randy Hillier who when the press conference like we had Dr. Hodkinson and a bunch

02:57:45.540 of doctors who were trying to do press conferences while BJ Dichter was talking about Bitcoin and how

02:57:50.060 he has Gad Saad's new book and that day someone needed to pick up the slack and say no we're

02:57:54.740 having a press conference and it was Jim and Randy Hillier who were getting Bruce Party and

02:57:59.700 all these guys together and doing serious press conferences when it was purposely being hidden 0.99

02:58:04.820 from view there was a purposeful strategy to say we don't want any cbc in here we'll show them by

02:58:10.840 not inviting them in as if they're not going to tell their tale of the convoy without our input

02:58:15.200 now so i would say that ppc has been out there and every time we come out there is some group

02:58:20.740 that is gatekeeping it accusing ppc of just wanting to sap up attention you just want to

02:58:25.620 hijack this for politics so when we try to come out we're trying to hijack it for politics but

02:58:30.400 we can't have both where it's like we're not getting active we're trying but there are many

02:58:34.820 groups that are like holding and clutching the ring and desperately fearful of ppc ever getting

02:58:40.600 a drop of accountability or credit for anything because you saw what happened in the dutch

02:58:44.260 farmers protest they connected it with a populist party and they went from zero to majority it's a

02:58:48.760 different system it's not like ours but it still went from nothing to something overnight by

02:58:54.000 connecting a freedom movement with populist politics and there is that fictional germ that's

02:58:58.240 been inserted freedom movements have to be divorced from politics even though our demands are

02:59:02.780 exclusively political well see i yeah i agree with you but again this is one thing that i don't see

02:59:10.000 a lot of from the ppc and like a perfect example and honestly if i can just say this i'm i'm kind

02:59:15.900 of uh it why didn't the ppc uh you know broadcast their support for that mass deportations rally

02:59:24.520 that happened in hamilton you guys support mass deportations right i was actually going to ask

02:59:29.840 this 4.9 million will be gone if pbc is elected because they fall under the term of illegal or

02:59:35.320 expiring right so the question would be do do you think max should have like retweeted that image

02:59:42.560 of those i think he could have commented on it i think he could have said you know like look again

02:59:47.920 it's about defending your fringe radicals and and loaning them support um i i mean i guess he did

02:59:53.880 like you know the acceptable thing which is he didn't like criticize them and say oh you shouldn't

02:59:58.760 be doing this in black masks and you know you you should show your face publicly i mean that's easy

03:00:03.800 to say look again i actually saw that criticism a lot from ppc people which is like oh you know

03:00:09.200 proud patriots show their faces it's like okay you do it why isn't the ppc doing it you have the

03:00:14.160 party you have the infrastructure you have you know the the the email lists and all the stuff

03:00:18.920 that you could easily organize this why don't you do it and you can all show your faces and dress in

03:00:22.980 PPC purple. You support mass deportation. So it's not an issue with the message. Why don't you do

03:00:28.560 it? And that actually is a criticism, which is the PPC street presence is pitiful. And like,

03:00:34.840 that's not, that's not just a criticism of the PPC either. I mean, all right wing Canadians have a

03:00:39.240 pitiful street presence. And usually when they have one, it's some vague, you know, kind of 0.87

03:00:44.700 assertion of like freedom or like, you know, maple MAGA or something. It's basically fuck Trudeau 0.99

03:00:50.240 nationalism where the only thing we really care about is you know fuck trudeau or something and 0.99

03:00:55.120 let's you know march through the streets and chant freedom like this is not i think it's not a viable 0.98

03:00:59.940 political movement you have to start targeting so a look at how effective that mass deportations

03:01:05.580 rally was with 15 to 20 guys in black block holding up a sign with three words on it look at how how

03:01:11.600 much pull that got look at how much support that got among your average canadian that that's a

03:01:16.340 popular message that's a majority supported message and these guys did it so like if the

03:01:21.580 ppc does like that's how you get exposure you're saying like you need to wear a purple shirt and

03:01:27.620 walk around so that people know who we are why don't you do why don't you do these kind of flash

03:01:31.940 mob demonstrations that would get massive support people would like it and yeah fair enough like but

03:01:38.400 but i i look on the inverse of that and say but we do support all that in policy and it's not worth

03:01:43.780 Like, I feel like we should at least get some credit for being a million light years better than every alternative hated by all alternatives.

03:01:51.480 But at some point, we need to be good enough to not be in this ultimatum circling of support of us of like, I'll support you today, but tomorrow.

03:02:00.040 So help me God.

03:02:01.040 If there's one photo I don't like, we're out and I'm panicking and I'm hitting the alarm.

03:02:04.880 I have seen this for so long.

03:02:06.920 I have seen so many people.

03:02:08.680 There are so many conservatives.

03:02:10.300 The curse of conservatives is we never group up. 0.99

03:02:12.440 we never say we're going to stick together the allure and the romance of going no fucking 1.00

03:02:17.100 politicians going to help you man you're fucking on your own let's get kinetic in this shit which 0.99

03:02:21.780 is exactly what they're trying to tp i'm not saying ferryman or anyone's doing that but i'm 1.00

03:02:26.560 saying that is what the operation is is to marginalize people that are strong into being

03:02:32.460 so strong that they fuck up so strong that they go into a coots for scenario so like i actually

03:02:37.900 i can i interrupt i actually don't believe that's the case i think the last thing that the canadian 0.95

03:02:43.540 government wants is basically that not that that's an advocation but no no government wants

03:02:48.180 that level of instability where people are literally killing each other in the streets so

03:02:52.480 the idea that they're trying to goad nationalists or people who are further to the right of the

03:02:57.740 overton window to me just doesn't make any sense oh i think i think they're absolutely dedicated

03:03:02.320 to it and if you see the coots four and what was going on with them that was specifically what they

03:03:06.220 were inserted in to do was to get people to say things that are close enough to insurrectionists

03:03:10.400 that they could Jan 6th everyone and I think that that is their one proven tool that they've used

03:03:14.800 and they were surprised that the convoy even took place after the example of Jan 6th insurrection

03:03:19.960 that they can misrepresent reality because they control the environment they control how most

03:03:24.120 people think and what they'll accept and the truth is most Canadians would accept a mass jailing of

03:03:29.440 people that they're considering right-wing ideologically motivated terrorists so I think

03:03:33.060 right at this moment there are many people that are trying to get us to fall for traps like that

03:03:37.080 and it would be folly to think that it's not happening okay so two things here that i'm going

03:03:41.680 to dissect because i think it's very important number one the canadian government does not have

03:03:45.840 the manpower or the resources or the technology to do what the united states does so the idea that

03:03:51.060 they can just lock up everybody is completely nonsense it's totally nonsense we don't even

03:03:55.780 have a military the canadian military does not even exist right we can't dude it's not 1997

03:04:01.520 one little app on a thumb drive could track and trace everyone not only what we think what we

03:04:07.260 believe where we're going to be but what we're going to buy next so i think they have more than

03:04:11.260 the tools and they've got more than the motive and they've got more than the means and they have

03:04:15.420 been commissioning if you're reading the articles about them leaking like we're putting more and

03:04:19.200 more money into this we're focusing on it you saw what was happening there they've used this

03:04:23.600 playbook and to an extent it worked so you can expect them to be trying it again i just i just

03:04:27.980 don't understand sorry well they can try but but so i don't mean but trans they did try and and 0.95

03:04:34.520 the coots they're still uh serving time so i'm just saying that they're doing it entrapment 0.72

03:04:39.580 operations exist they're everywhere everyone knows someone where they're like okay that's a fed post

03:04:44.820 right there man like you i'm sorry i i think that we've had much more experience dealing with

03:04:51.800 canadian law enforcement like and you know this and i have to tell you like everything that we've

03:04:57.680 seen from canadian law enforcement is that they are unbelievably incompetent and and painting them

03:05:03.440 as something that's like this omnipotent force that's capable of like all kinds of you know um

03:05:08.760 you know power projection you're you do not understand how the canadian police system is

03:05:15.260 in this like they are terrible oh no absolutely i i don't doubt that but you you don't think that

03:05:23.620 this is on their menu and that you don't need to be careful at all in that when daisy group appeared

03:05:27.980 and tried to smear everyone that that doesn't work for them parts of mind fifth generation

03:05:32.180 warfare is keeping us in a place where no one will listen to us or take us seriously all right so on

03:05:38.080 the on the issue of the narrative what i wanted to say is that i actually don't believe that the

03:05:42.140 canadian media controls the narrative in canada anymore because if you look at the only people

03:05:46.820 who actually watch the cbc it's basically leftist and it's the same as the u.s where the only people

03:05:51.940 who watch NBC are leftists so they don't control the narrative x is the number one app in the world

03:05:58.660 where Canadians and Americans and a whole bunch of Europeans get all of their information from so no

03:06:03.000 they don't actually control the narrative in this country they just don't it's not a reality anymore

03:06:07.800 part of the reason why they're trying to censor social media what was the bill 63 is precisely

03:06:13.380 because they no longer control information they can't they no longer control information it's over 0.92

03:06:18.780 it's effectively over so yes i agree with you obviously opsec obviously don't say stupid things

03:06:23.940 that could be misconstrued you know what i mean even if they're true uh but also don't use it as

03:06:28.520 an excuse to not be active right you cannot be used as an excuse to not be active yeah i think

03:06:33.300 you guys are both right i think on one hand uh we should not be afraid we should not give into 0.95

03:06:38.440 this idea of like oh we need to be like bigger pussies that's how we're gonna win we can't say 0.90

03:06:42.400 anything like you know that is definitely not the path but on the other hand it is true like 0.96

03:06:46.940 there is people do need these people do need to be smart uh if you're caught slipping if they can

03:06:54.640 if something can be used against us it will be used against us and the other kind of added part

03:07:00.200 that i think is important because i want to bring it back to uh kind of the ppcs and their messaging

03:07:04.520 um you know us ppc being successful looks like them being smeared in the media did like all

03:07:12.300 these things where they take all the horror hey look they're insurrectionists they're like that's

03:07:16.280 what success looks like and what i'd like to talk about now is the fact and and this is kind of like

03:07:21.980 a criticism of the ppc or something that i think that they should work on knock knock knock um hq

03:07:28.440 if you're listening diagonal on is getting was getting more attention in the media recently with

03:07:36.120 their tour and that is that is a that is a sign that the ppc is not doing its job if there's

03:07:42.640 someone who should be in the media being called racist on a regular basis.

03:07:46.000 If the PPC is doing its job,

03:07:47.940 it should be the people's party of Canada.

03:07:50.560 I've been saying this since 2019.

03:07:52.620 If you look at the rise and success of Donald Trump,

03:07:57.700 he got called racist every single day on his March to the presidency.

03:08:02.820 And this is what it looks like.

03:08:04.320 And I think that,

03:08:05.060 you know,

03:08:06.080 we shouldn't let these little scenarios or PPCH headquarters.

03:08:09.420 you shouldn't let these little scenarios pass by as like oh that's not really a big deal

03:08:13.880 no this this is truly this is this is really where the rhetoric is won this is really where

03:08:20.460 you know you can win the elections by winning hearts and minds when those men were out with

03:08:25.040 the banner retweet it maybe okay what's the message gonna be it should be something smart

03:08:31.540 you should you shouldn't just retweet it willy-nilly maybe have a comment that makes sense

03:08:35.680 that's kind of clever that that draws attention to it of you know like like this is where the

03:08:40.040 creativity of the war room of the ppc should come in where it's like how can we say something that

03:08:45.360 will basically endorse these people but not endorse it too much whatever you know like that's

03:08:49.520 where so much more time and energy and attention i think needs to go at the ppc headquarters where

03:08:55.040 it's like finessing the message to you know like and it's not even about like you know appealing

03:09:02.100 to the radicals or anything like that it's about this is your freaking policy this is your policy

03:09:07.000 how can you get attention how can you bait the media how can you bait the leftists to have them 0.84

03:09:12.160 freaking out calling you racist and then when they when the people actually look into what they said

03:09:16.860 it's like oh i actually agree with this because because that's really what happened to get trump's

03:09:22.340 rise to power people saw he was called racist they looked into it they're like oh wait they

03:09:27.120 actually like this guy hold on i just i want to jump back for a second here because it does still

03:09:33.860 relate which is i'm sure most people in here have seen he's actually in here right now slurms if you

03:09:40.140 don't know this guy uh went out into i don't know where in in alberta in a t-rex costume with a sign

03:09:49.260 that said i think too many immigrants and then he went out with a unicorn costume that said mass

03:09:54.880 deportations now or something like that those two instances got more attention and i like i don't i

03:10:01.860 obviously i don't know this for a fact but i i do absolutely know it's true those two specific

03:10:07.400 photographs went more viral and got more attention and more support and more notoriety than the ppc's

03:10:15.060 policy does on their website and this is the one thing obviously like i don't know if the ppc

03:10:20.780 doesn't understand this or they just don't want to engage in this kind of you know politics or

03:10:24.800 these tactics which is the the viral nature of the internet is how and and this kind of like

03:10:31.980 funny goofy trolly attitude is actually how you get the attention it's not enough to say we're

03:10:39.240 pro mass deportations on your website that nobody goes to except for your own party members that's 0.96

03:10:44.840 not gonna do shit you have to take these things to the streets in a way that will get publicity 0.90

03:10:50.260 that will get notoriety that will cause controversy and that word right there controversy that's your 0.98

03:10:56.280 best friend that's your best friend in the whole world every time you cause controversy the media

03:11:02.160 can't help themselves they will not be able to help themselves they will give you attention and

03:11:07.180 that's exactly what you want you want them to constantly be talking about Maxime Bernier and

03:11:12.040 what he did today or what he what he did the other day that's what you need and so basically what I'm

03:11:17.600 saying is you want to be the heel you you absolutely want to be the person that the media

03:11:24.060 and this regime hates and they they paint as being their biggest rival that's exactly what

03:11:29.860 greg was just talking about with trump that's what he did he did he turned himself and i don't even

03:11:34.860 believe he is that that's the funny thing is i actually don't think he's that at all like i'm

03:11:39.100 not a fan but what i will say is that he managed to convince the majority of people that he's the

03:11:45.060 outside candidate that he's the one that the system really despises that he's the one they

03:11:49.700 fear more than anything and that's what made people love him because they hate the system

03:11:54.780 so if you if you want to be that if you want to be trump you have to become the the entity that

03:12:02.040 the system can't help but talk about and hate on constantly and the only way you're going to do

03:12:07.820 that is by causing controversy and being offensive and getting people to cry about you and constantly

03:12:14.140 causing these kind of like little you know uh bumps in the road for the canadian media and stuff

03:12:19.380 they they just can't help themselves and a you know a perfect example of this whether you like

03:12:24.080 them or not there are these guys in australia called the nsn and the eam the european australian

03:12:30.380 movement and what they've done with these black block tactics and these these quick flash mob

03:12:35.440 protests is make it so that the media can't help but talk about them all the time and at first 0.54

03:12:40.820 people thought they were you know it was weird and like why are these guys marching around in

03:12:45.840 masks and like are they feds are they antifa blah blah blah but what they did is they created

03:12:51.440 controversy and they kept taking positions that the majority of people agree with like ending the

03:12:58.220 like the the pedo grooming and and and you know mass deportations and send these refugees that

03:13:05.920 are demanding you know permanent residency home and this created this this uh kind of dynamic

03:13:12.080 where they're the underdog taking on this goliath state and people love that they love when you're

03:13:19.440 the underdog that's taking on this tyrannical entity one thing that speaks to the european

03:13:25.340 mind to the western civilized civilized mind more than anything is the fight of the uh outlaw good

03:13:33.280 the outlaw good guy versus the law lawful tyrant or the lawful evil this dynamic does very well

03:13:40.920 with people and that's the dynamic you need to create and you're only going to do that by being

03:13:45.480 basically robin hood you need to be robin hood versus king john you have to be getting in their 0.97

03:13:51.100 face you have to be stealing money from king john you have to be fucking over his sheriffs you have 0.97

03:13:56.180 to be you know taking his supply chains that's that's the attitude that you need to have here 1.00

03:14:00.980 is that we're the rebels we're the ones who don't give a fuck we're the ones who are going to take 0.74

03:14:06.000 on the system come what may and that's how you win and i don't see that from the ppc at least yet

03:14:12.240 i and i really like what you've invoked there with it's it's there's a mythology there there's

03:14:18.260 a story to it and that's really like the frame or the lens that you should be looking at this

03:14:24.840 as like someone who's thinking of rhetoric and having to like brand how to brand max you know

03:14:30.020 like like a cowboy like something like you know like an outlaw who is a rebel without you know

03:14:35.880 with with a cause to save the country um that being said you know it's also this needs to be

03:14:43.920 done properly it's not like you know max is going to go out there and uh you know he has the black

03:14:51.180 block on hi i'm max bernier oh he doesn't have to that's the thing is tomorrow if max wanted to

03:14:57.000 tomorrow he could start organizing a demonstration for next weekend where he and 50 other ppc members

03:15:04.300 go to wherever in whatever major canadian city with a banner that says mass deportations now

03:15:10.900 and max gives a speech and you film the whole thing and this is like this is a such a better 0.97

03:15:16.400 use of ppc's resources like the money they do have than buying fucking election campaign signs for 0.97

03:15:22.820 people who are going to get 300 votes in a riding in fucking northern manitoba okay that does 0.97

03:15:27.780 nothing that does absolutely nothing i do want to add i do want to add to that um there is this 0.92

03:15:35.140 echo chamber effect it happens it happens in diagonal it happens in ppc which is this idea

03:15:40.920 of like no like because there's some like libertarian types who support the ppc and they

03:15:46.080 say we can't do that like that's too controversial we're going to get called racist and that's going

03:15:49.720 to be game over and it's like you're you don't know what you're talking about you know like a 0.73

03:15:54.860 lot of regular a lot of regular ass like apolitical people would actually see that and start to maybe

03:16:02.120 be interested in politics for the very first time like there's a lot of people who are don't even 0.83

03:16:06.460 know the ppc exists yet don't even know like don't care about any of this stuff and this idea like i

03:16:11.500 just feel like there's a lot of people in the ppc echo chamber sometimes especially the conservative

03:16:16.160 party echo chamber who have this idea it's it's basically they work in ottawa and like no no that

03:16:21.680 can't work because if they're no no no no and it's like you're so out of touch that you're almost like

03:16:26.600 the worst even though you've been following politics you're almost like the worst person

03:16:29.840 to talk to in terms of like what would be effective messaging because you're just totally

03:16:34.060 into the what do you call it the uh you know focus groups and like what ottawa wants or what

03:16:40.100 the status quo is it's like especially with ppc this is a huge opportunity because they are more

03:16:44.960 grassroots they don't have to follow all these rules that a hundred year old party like the

03:16:50.220 conservative party or liberal party has to follow they have the freedom to do more radical things

03:16:56.420 or do more controversial things and i think it's a matter of of finding finding the balance or

03:17:02.380 finding the kind of like that sweet spot of doing these things in a clever way and i think really

03:17:07.860 like what's the what's the number one goal that the war room or that the messaging rhetoric people

03:17:13.380 let ppc think about how do we get in the headline this week how do we get in the headline tomorrow

03:17:17.920 how do we get in the headline and have people talking about how we're controversial but at

03:17:22.220 the same time having our ideas uh be spread that way i'm loving what's going on tonight we're at

03:17:28.760 not uh sorry three and a half hours do you think we should open it up to more speakers who've been

03:17:33.400 waiting at this point uh yeah it looks like trans wants to say something so trans go ahead and sure

03:17:37.640 i think you guys should pull an all-nighter and keep it going i'm probably gonna have to go to

03:17:41.380 bed in like 10 minutes but i also i have to work in like five hours so yeah i mean that's that's

03:17:47.120 your excuse wow well i will say this though is so one thing too like i don't know if the ppc will

03:17:54.280 actually do this i hope they do and if they do a hundred percent i like it but but the key element

03:18:00.540 to this is that you have to be offensive because if you go like look what happens with these freedom

03:18:06.960 rallies okay when they go out and they do these rallies with 100 people nobody gives a the

03:18:12.080 only people who give a are the the people who are act already engaged in it they take photos of it

03:18:18.160 they they put them on the internet and the people who like it the people who see it

03:18:22.400 are the people who already agree with them so the key element to this kind of thing is that you have

03:18:27.520 to be there has to be some kind of element that causes the controversy whether it's the banner

03:18:33.280 itself or whether it's the the way the march is carried out and there are perfect examples of this

03:18:37.920 like i'll use one i know it's a lot of people think they're feds or whatever they're they're

03:18:43.100 not but uh regardless like patriot front their uniforms their banners their flags the way they

03:18:49.820 present themselves that's what causes the controversy that's what makes the entire

03:18:54.600 american establishment media go nuts it's the way it's done so you know walking down the street 0.99

03:19:01.700 waving canadian flags randomly chanting things like fuck trudeau or freedom um you know in 0.98

03:19:06.960 completely in complete disorganization with random attire and you know one guy's looks like he's i 0.99

03:19:12.620 hate it homeless yep that doesn't same here yep i felt like i felt like you were conflating like

03:19:18.660 freedom fighters with ppc earlier and i just wanted to say that like you know freedom fighters

03:19:22.220 are kind of its own thing ppc does does do successful events but they're usually more

03:19:27.200 like conferences and things both i've had so many eggs thrown at me for marching in downtown

03:19:31.960 vancouver for you know against the mandates and stuff i know exactly what it looks like to be

03:19:37.320 understand again it's understanding the reason why you're doing the protest the the protest is

03:19:44.840 not about the actual act of marching anymore okay it's not this isn't 1914 or it's about the content

03:19:51.640 it's about being able to create an image that goes viral because of of you know the context

03:19:58.940 that it that it's set in so it doesn't matter again it doesn't matter you don't need 3 000

03:20:04.440 people and even if you do like i saw this during the covet era i was part of these marches there

03:20:09.280 was uh rallies in ottawa that were five to ten thousand people and the media just completely

03:20:13.920 ignored it but if for some reason if 15 guys in black block with with a banner show up that has 0.98

03:20:20.220 a little bit of edge to it do something it goes viral if one guy wears a fucking unicorn costume 0.98

03:20:25.680 and stands on the corner of the street and with a sign that says mass deportations now 0.98

03:20:29.560 they can't help themselves so understanding that controversy and and offensiveness is the key

03:20:36.120 element to this is critical so if max goes and does a rally tomorrow where he it's you know it's

03:20:41.760 about an anti-immigration rally or something and they hold up a sign that just says end immigration

03:20:46.620 nobody's going to care it has to have an edge to it and that's what's missing from the ppc is this

03:20:53.040 edge and whenever i do see that edge come out from max whenever i do see him become a little

03:20:57.740 bit offhanded or flippant or just kind of aggressive in his rhetoric that's whenever

03:21:02.100 his posts go big that's whenever people start talking about it and that's what the ppc is

03:21:06.380 lacking it look maybe you don't need as much edge as diagonal on or these nationalist organizations

03:21:12.500 and stuff like that but you need more edge you need more i don't know wow factor for sure i think

03:21:18.240 max has a lot of viral tweets but i think you're right in the pbc participation needs to up the

03:21:24.960 game and i've always thought that i mean we're we're in an area like trump and what worked with

03:21:29.900 maga that you have five out of ten people in america fully understand what patriotism is

03:21:35.240 canada's like two out of ten out of those two one and a half of them are so tortured with anti-trudeau

03:21:41.540 that they'll do anything to take pierre's apple uh and then another subset of that are illuminated

03:21:47.280 with all politics are bad even populism is the same as establishment i don't want to deal with

03:21:52.620 anything political and their eyes roll the second you mentioned ppc so we're working with very

03:21:57.300 little when you said like you will be lucky to get 500 000 votes next election i said yeah that's

03:22:02.780 pretty bang on that's like we we got 800 000 because erin o'toole was an honest representation 0.54

03:22:08.800 of cpc and canadians were tortured with uh covid and enough of them saw good versus evil that they

03:22:15.440 say i don't care about strategic voting i'm not going to be on satan's team so i've i've known

03:22:20.080 that we're going through a period of very weak people right now and that guerrilla marketing

03:22:24.400 campaigns are a really good thing but it's hard to do it's hard to get uh ppc people that have jobs

03:22:31.040 i'd probably be okay i'm in enough of a trade where it's not so detrimental to my career but 0.94

03:22:35.440 But there are many people that, you know, can't get out there with those signs and do the stuff that a black bloc could do.

03:22:42.720 But then, so why attack the black bloc?

03:22:45.800 I'm not making excuses. I agree with what you're saying. 1.00

03:22:48.320 I'm just saying you just kind of, like, I agree. You're right.

03:22:51.560 That's why guys wear black bloc. That's why they wear masks. 0.98

03:22:54.500 Because they understand that the ramifications of engaging in these kind of politics publicly can destroy your life.

03:23:01.940 Like, I've experienced it. Jeremy McKenzie's, like, a ton of us have experienced it.

03:23:05.440 experienced what it's like to go through you know the public smear campaign right so that's why i

03:23:10.380 defend jeremy versus fedgate and shit because i'm like he's out there with his name out there

03:23:15.920 you have no evidence he's being tortured by the state so i have a lot of sympathy for people that 0.93

03:23:21.160 are public figures and and ones that are anonymous and going hard on public figures i have a lot of

03:23:26.900 animosity for so in our orbit i mean sir the edgy d there sun applied just made a great comment in

03:23:34.040 the pill there which is when max went to pei and confronted rupinder that was awesome and that's

03:23:40.320 right that's that's exactly what you want to see from someone like max which is like going and

03:23:44.500 like confronting uh you know people on the street and like having this kind of

03:23:49.860 chauvinist or i i don't know what the right word is here but this kind of like i i think greg used

03:23:55.500 a good word earlier this cowboy attitude like you you need that right like i i'm sorry that's

03:24:02.420 that's where max falls short it's not policy it's not rhetoric necessarily it's attitude

03:24:07.820 all right i mean it sounds like we found some common ground we'll open it up in a sec but but

03:24:13.120 i think that i want to kind of address the two psyops that we're going to kind of see play out

03:24:16.940 here which is number one there's going to constantly be people concerned trolling max

03:24:22.100 and the ppc saying don't do that don't associate that's racist no no you can't be you can't can't 1.00

03:24:27.240 And most of it's bullshit. 0.99

03:24:29.920 You know, of course, you need to have a good degree of optics. 1.00

03:24:32.580 You are a political party.

03:24:33.440 You want to appeal to the working class man or woman.

03:24:37.760 You know, you want to continue to be able to be accessible to regular Canadians.

03:24:42.080 But, you know, when you have when you have a policy that is deportation, it's like you should be willing to get out there and get called racist all the time.

03:24:50.900 And on the other hand, with with with Diagalon, it's kind of continues to be there.

03:24:56.460 You know, there's probably at least a handful or at least some people who, I don't know, work for CESIS of the RCMP who are like running around with like, you know, accounts that have Diagalon flags in them, pretending to be Diagalon people trying, you know, trying to infiltrate.

03:25:11.220 I'm sure that's happening as well. So there's also that fear as well.

03:25:14.820 But, you know, the important thing is, is to, is to, you know, keep our eyes on the prize and not kind of let these subvertive people not allow us to focus on accomplishing the goal, which is reversing this radical demographic change that we're all kind of experiencing. 0.99

03:25:29.820 Right. 0.97

03:25:32.460 Shall we open up the floor?

03:25:35.700 Who should we get on here?

03:25:38.140 I can stay for like 20 minutes.

03:25:40.700 Awesome.

03:25:41.080 There's been several people come and go, but we can just.

03:25:45.340 Well, actually, I did think of one thing to kind of tell ferryman, actually, because I was at the PPC conference this this summer and I interviewed some of the candidates and there was this one guy.

03:25:58.680 Oh, my God. What was his name? Shoot. I got a great interview with him. He he's a black man.

03:26:05.300 i forget where he's from i'm not sure but he gave he's a candidate and he gave like a such a

03:26:13.300 passionate speech and i was like man that was the most like patriotic speech i've heard from like

03:26:20.020 anyone here and it's like i'm just kind of juxtaposing it with like you know my white

03:26:24.300 friends that i grew up with it would be it's like it's like it like night and day and it's like how

03:26:29.220 was it some foreign black dude is having so much more fiery passion for like the freedoms that we 0.99

03:26:35.640 get to enjoy here and you could kind of see it in his face he came from a place where they did not 0.96

03:26:39.760 have freedom at all and like that fiery passion i was like damn like that's that's pretty awesome

03:26:45.260 you know well look at duchene sure but so again this is like just because you love canada and

03:26:54.880 you're patriotic to canada doesn't necessarily mean that you're canadian in the same way that

03:26:59.920 like you know you'll you'll like i don't i don't know how to put it any other way that's just the

03:27:03.520 reality you may not like it okay and i don't like it either and i consider them traitors to their

03:27:09.920 own people but that doesn't mean that the the leftist is not canadian just because they have

03:27:15.700 leftist views so look i get it this is where it's confusing but ultimately as like you have to think

03:27:22.920 of it like this you may like um you know your friend more than your brother but your brother

03:27:29.560 is still your brother and your friend is still your friend you can hate your brother you can

03:27:33.480 have a vitriolic disagreement with your brother but ultimately at the end of the day he's still

03:27:38.600 your blood and no amount of disagreement can change that in the same way that no amount of

03:27:43.320 agreement on something means that your friend is now you know your blood and if that means blood

03:27:49.300 means something to me okay like these things matter to me and it goes the same way it's like

03:27:55.800 you know you may have a child who's like a wayward child and you know my parents probably feel like

03:28:01.220 that about me but ultimately i'm i'm still their son whether they like it or not and i know that

03:28:06.140 they still love me and i still love them and so like you know we we may disagree you know

03:28:11.300 vehemently about you know politics and stuff like that but we're still family and so this is what

03:28:16.560 you have to understand and that's why it's it sucks because i actually feel for these i wish

03:28:21.000 these leftists would come around because they're family and i see what they're doing you know to 0.91

03:28:26.200 the rest of their family they're destroying their blood they're destroying you know their kin so

03:28:31.880 like to me this stuff matters and while yes i may agree politically more with i don't know um 0.96

03:28:38.740 you know some some black guy or some you know persian or whatever that doesn't make them my 0.92

03:28:44.660 family that doesn't make them my blood right yeah that's fair i guess the only reason i brought that

03:28:53.100 up is because you know uh i don't think there's any reason to push these people away from you know

03:28:59.020 fighting the good fight for the ppc you know what i mean well it would be much easier if they could

03:29:05.100 understand like so for example like it it's it's it's disrespectful it's disrespectful for these

03:29:13.760 people to just assume that they have a canadian identity and i'll give you an example like i would

03:29:17.660 never dream like let's say hypothetically i moved to japan and uh you know i i learned japanese and

03:29:24.400 i assimilate into japanese culture i would never dream of assuming that i'm japanese and that's

03:29:29.720 what's so disrespectful and kind of like infuriating about these people they think that

03:29:34.440 because they say what we want to hear and maybe they genuinely believe it that doesn't matter

03:29:38.960 the point i'm getting at is like this this belief that like uh you know you you have an indian with

03:29:43.840 an indian accent and he comes to you and says but i am just as canadian as you i have canadian

03:29:48.580 values and i agree like i am with you and like we believe in canada first again it's like but

03:29:53.560 you're not though and and the fact that you don't understand that is why it's so disrespectful

03:29:58.400 like the the fact that you think that you can just talk me into believing that you're canadian

03:30:04.340 because you say certain things is incredibly disrespectful it shows it shows a certain level

03:30:10.220 of contempt for for who we are as a people and you know what it means to be Canadian right so

03:30:16.620 I I hear what you're saying there but I guess my my sort of point is like this man that I spoke to

03:30:23.760 in this example he's someone who is very afraid of living under tyranny so his sort of thing is

03:30:31.620 like hey this party wants to stop that because he's aware of like you know how canada's taking

03:30:37.500 a turn for the worst and i guess from my perspective it's like well this guy is doing 0.99

03:30:42.360 shit this guy's showing up he's in a suit he's ready to pound the pavement he's ready to push 0.94

03:30:47.080 our ideas so it's like you know look i don't i don't know this guy obviously personally or even 0.78

03:30:52.660 you know by reputation or anything like that but what i would say is if he's such uh you know a

03:30:59.280 an amazing fighter against tyranny and he's such a proponent of freedom it's kind of weird to me

03:31:05.100 that he would abandon his homeland and his own people to come here and fight for freedom here

03:31:11.200 so if if he truly is such a great fighter if he truly is such a passionate you know activist and

03:31:17.400 all this stuff why didn't he do it there why why does he have to come fight for freedom why does

03:31:23.200 he have to be canadian why why wouldn't he look if he truly believes it if he like you know deep

03:31:29.240 in his soul is willing to die for it you know i'm willing to die for it i'm willing to go to jail for

03:31:34.680 it i'm probably under multiple police investigations just for my speech and so like i'm willing to pay

03:31:40.920 the ultimate price what if he was then why didn't he where he was that's that would be my question

03:31:47.480 i mean i i don't know the answer to that question but that's the very standard if he can't be you

03:31:55.460 know apex sigma then you gotta go back no no i'm not saying like that's not what i'm saying i'm

03:32:03.240 just saying genuinely that's a strange thing to me it's like whenever you know you get um people

03:32:08.320 who come here from these regimes and they're they're like oh i um you know i came to canada

03:32:14.420 for its freedom and because it's such a great country and all these things and i really believe

03:32:18.540 in the you know the concept of this and that's why i'm here to fight tyranny it's like well why

03:32:22.980 didn't you do it in your own home if you if you really can't abide tyranny if you really want uh

03:32:29.440 to have uh freedom if you believe in freedom for all people why didn't you fight for it for your

03:32:34.220 own people that's a very strange thing to do i mean i don't do i don't know like the what it

03:32:40.300 looks like on the ground in the country where he came from but i i would imagine the answer would

03:32:44.920 be it's completely untenable uh based on you know the state of the society of where he came from

03:32:50.420 Like, I'd imagine that would kind of be the answer where it's kind of like, you know, surviving and escaping the country is kind of just the most logical next thing to do.

03:32:58.700 See, it's funny, though, here as well, because I think it's interesting that you get so many people and like this is something that obviously irritates all of us. 1.00

03:33:08.360 you get these foreign diaspora populations who come to canada and they say they they make demands

03:33:14.100 for like you know a free calistan or a free whatever palestine or you know free iran from

03:33:20.060 the irgc or free you know it's it's a never-ending parade of foreign diaspora politics

03:33:25.980 who's doing that

03:33:30.060 yeah what was that you can do that i will remember i don't anyways the the point i'm

03:33:39.520 getting at here is that irritates us because it's like why are you demanding we do something

03:33:45.160 for your people in your country but for some reason we we don't think it's weird when somebody

03:33:50.460 else comes here and says like oh i came here to escape tyranny and now i'm here to fight your

03:33:55.360 tyranny like that's what like why like that doesn't make any sense in my view i think part

03:34:03.800 of the reason why uh the image with burn with max generated so much controversy is because

03:34:09.640 exactly of this kind of lack of representation and if you look at canada over the last 25 years

03:34:15.680 the one thing that i keep seeing among all canadians that i talk to whether from vancouver

03:34:21.320 all the way to the Halifax, it's that this group is being recognized, that group is being

03:34:26.940 recognized, this denomination is being recognized, you know, Russia versus Ukraine, Palestine versus

03:34:32.560 Israel, Hong Kong versus China, all of these different, and then, you know, Pierre Polyev's

03:34:37.760 wife with Venezuela trying to jockey attention to that situation down south. What I'm seeing

03:34:44.060 is a lot of anger what i'm seeing is anger over a lack of representation so i feel like that

03:34:52.180 is probably the most important thing and i feel like if max gives the right

03:34:59.420 impression that he is specifically representing canadians then you will see a massive surge in

03:35:07.940 support for the ppc a massive right and that's where i get back to i don't think it was a

03:35:12.680 conscious effort to you know prostrate for hindus it was a conscious effort for him to back up

03:35:18.360 a candidate who took a phone call from them of course and i you know what i mean like there

03:35:23.660 wasn't some overriding agency or political direction he's turning in that's betraying

03:35:28.220 the platform it just seemed to be something that you know michael bader said yeah these guys said

03:35:34.480 that they want to wear shirts that say support the country you live in or live in the country

03:35:38.400 you support and it's kind of like greg's story of like can we not accept people that are of another

03:35:44.340 color that say we want to be part of what the doctor was talking about which would be

03:35:48.560 cultural uh nationalism so so that's where i thought the middle ground was tonight was saying

03:35:53.720 cultural nationalism is something to thrive for because it does give white europeans credit for

03:35:58.580 creating such a great culture and society and it does set it up to remove the woke standards that

03:36:03.740 give everyone else a pass and uh hinder white people so it would set up a scenario where people

03:36:10.200 would not be thriving they wouldn't be getting welfare they would be going home if you don't fit

03:36:14.260 in to what white people created without being solely exclusively ethnocentric well he did say

03:36:21.800 and there is something you are glossing over which is that the culture and the ethnos are tied

03:36:26.540 they're not you know you can't just no i've always said the ethno is tied but it's not the only it's

03:36:33.420 it's a spoken wheel of spirituality with church cultural custom who's willing to participate in

03:36:39.240 it exactly so it is all of these things so we we cannot we must keep the ethnic in

03:36:44.580 mind when when considering this subject yeah i just i just think you know i would still kind

03:36:51.100 of push back with some of what fairy said because it's like sure this guy's black he's not from here

03:36:55.920 but he's willing to pound he's willing to do something and pound the pavement uh and there's

03:37:00.140 a lot of people who look like me who who think i'm racist for what i believe like at least this

03:37:05.020 guy's willing willing to fucking go out and fight for it and i guess like yeah the thing that kind

03:37:10.120 of i think turns a lot of people off is like this constant like uh purity spiraling on race 0.94

03:37:17.000 um i think it has its place for like what we're talking about in terms of what what defines a

03:37:22.240 canadian and that sort of thing of it being fundamental but uh this idea of like no no i

03:37:26.620 don't want your help because of your skin color like i think that's uh i think that's a tough 0.54

03:37:31.340 tough sell for people but again so i i just have a quick question for uh for trans for uh tranny

03:37:37.300 boy there um i just put a post up in the jumbo that you made two nights ago uh saying this photo

03:37:45.220 uh with some hindus means almost nothing if you have no ideological motivation so my question to

03:37:53.760 you trans like do you not have any ideological convictions like no i was talking about people 0.94

03:38:00.200 that were making it an event no no i'm saying it's an event where we're not we're saying it's 0.79

03:38:05.840 a bit cringy it's michael bader posing with people that are trying to virtue signal to canada

03:38:09.780 but if you are saying uh we are white only and our participation depends on you never taking a photo

03:38:17.720 with if that's your ideology then that's what i was mentioning i wasn't mentioning the ideology

03:38:22.720 of people it's it's motivated reasoning for someone that says that's why i can't get on board

03:38:27.340 it's a photo with someone that's a different color so okay well you kind of sneaked in there

03:38:32.480 t max so let's go to hands i'm gonna go to who i just want to respond to greg there so

03:38:40.100 part of part of the problem here with working with other groups or other individuals from outside

03:38:46.500 what i would call you know the canadian ethnic group or in group or however you want the the

03:38:51.940 nation right is that we are not organized or united in any capacity by ourselves and so we've

03:38:58.780 seen this play out over and over again the the best example i can think of of this is whenever

03:39:04.160 the freedom movement or kind of like this kind of alt-right sphere in canada was gung-ho to work 0.98

03:39:10.460 with muslims to you know fight the tranny agenda and we saw how this plays out we are not united 1.00

03:39:17.540 as a block they are and so what happens is your your contribution as an individual just gets 1.00

03:39:25.660 absorbed by by their message they're never going to come to your aid as an individual or as this

03:39:31.140 ragtag collection of people who kind of sort of agree on these things and so until we can establish

03:39:37.000 ourselves as an identitarian movement until we have a pro-white an organized pro explicitly pro

03:39:43.420 white uh movement there is no there is no way that you can work with these people because you

03:39:49.360 are serving their agenda instead of them you know aiding in yours or vice versa this that's not a

03:39:55.260 partnership it's subservience and that's the problem and so like the perfect example like i 0.99

03:40:00.520 said the the muslim hold on hold on hold on hold on some uh some black dude showing up wearing a 0.91

03:40:06.180 ppc pin to shill for maxine bernier all day that's max being a slave to this to this black person 0.81

03:40:12.560 well but no i'm saying organized groups in particular but but but yes um sorry sorry

03:40:21.440 obviously max isn't a slave in this situation i'm just saying

03:40:24.640 who who is he ultimately like the ppc i guess the canadian people like i don't know who he's

03:40:32.640 assisting but again this even if it's we're not talking about this specific example this is this

03:40:38.740 still remains true at large which is working with these other groups like so for example let's use

03:40:44.000 the hindu group right you can't work with a hindu group no matter how pro-canadian they are if you

03:40:49.620 can't define what canadian is and understand that there are two groups here that maybe have

03:40:54.240 overlapping interests but are not the same and so in until you can establish this this separation

03:41:01.100 you're you're not working together they're a united group right they have their own forum

03:41:06.820 and in i guess in this context it's the ppc but this is not necessarily you know the canadian

03:41:12.540 people deciding they're going to work with this group that's what needs to change it's like we

03:41:17.200 we need to be able to have our put it this way whenever something happens to the muslim community

03:41:24.140 all the politicians they go and meet with the the muslim community leaders or if something happens

03:41:29.940 to the hindu community they meet with the hindu leaders you know pierre polyev is out there

03:41:33.920 meeting with all the you know the leadership of these different diaspora populations because they

03:41:38.300 are united and they have representation you're never going to have that for canadians until we

03:41:43.200 start collectivizing along some kind of you know nationalistic and i would say ethnic lines i i

03:41:49.620 think well i think ppc the more people support ppc the more it makes pierre pretend to be ppc

03:41:54.600 so that works as well for us well well that's fine but that's that's the ppc specific so i think

03:42:01.160 i'm talking about the canadian people as a whole and like this is right there there's a difference

03:42:05.320 here but i guess like what what you're saying with the ppc then is that because the ppc isn't

03:42:10.960 more like a more consciously pro-white group they're only they're only subject to subversion

03:42:16.320 of other groups because that's sort of no i'm i'm saying that we i take the ppc out of this for a

03:42:24.140 second until we as a people right like not think non-politically for a second okay you're talking

03:42:29.500 about in general i see this doesn't involve necessarily political parties until we have

03:42:33.860 our own advocacy groups that lobby and leverage the the political parties we're not going to get

03:42:41.360 what we want we're always going to be subservient to some other group who's doing this this is why 0.98

03:42:45.880 you know three percent of hindus can have politicians getting on their fucking knees 0.97

03:42:51.220 and begging them for their support because they are a united bloc and they do have have this in 0.98

03:42:56.820 group preference and they do demand that these these political parties serve their interests

03:43:01.640 and that's what we're building honestly i don't know if diagonal is the only group doing this

03:43:06.760 but that's what we've served as we just saw it play out with the ppc we were able to cause a

03:43:11.700 stink over a over a photograph and on it i think it had influence i think maxine bernier's rhetoric

03:43:18.220 has been very aggressive the past couple days because he's trying to make up for that misstep

03:43:23.220 and and the reaction that he got to it so that's the kind of influence that i'm trying to or the

03:43:29.540 kind of organization that i'm trying to help build which is advocacy groups institutions you know

03:43:35.540 clubs whatever that are going to explicitly advocate for canadians and i mean that in the

03:43:42.780 ethnic sense not in the cultural sense not in the civic sense i mean actual old stock canadians the

03:43:48.280 founding populations we have interests we are a distinct people and we deserve to be heard

03:43:53.300 on it we don't just deserve to be heard we deserve to have power in our own country and it's absurd

03:43:58.740 that that all these other groups take precedence over us and that we're last to get any kind of

03:44:05.080 recognition or attention at all we're the fucking majority 72 of the country thank you thank you 0.93

03:44:12.320 far thank you sir but that's enough racism thank you sir it is uh just to kind of underline your 0.87

03:44:18.620 point it is very frustrating to see pierre polyev to pander to every single ethnic group and he

03:44:25.500 basically just takes white canadians for granted like okay i don't have to pander to you and i

03:44:30.880 thought it was in i when i called him out in my video of calling like you know chinese and east

03:44:36.020 indian uh canadians uh canadian patriots i noticed that the next day he posted a picture

03:44:42.740 with like white people saying look at these patriots and i'm like wow it's the first time

03:44:46.000 you've done that in a while geez trump trump is also a perfect example of this in his victory

03:44:51.060 speech he thanked latinos and he thanked i think he thanked blank blacks i'm pretty sure he thanked

03:44:56.220 jews who basically 88 of them or something voted for democrats no he actually didn't that's

03:45:03.420 strangely the one cohort that he did not thank this time around well he didn't thank white

03:45:08.240 people though did he no he didn't but he did not that's my point the the group that actually came

03:45:13.620 through him the largest the you know the real reason that he won that election which is you

03:45:18.220 know dissatisfied pissed off white people again he refuses to acknowledge that they even exist

03:45:23.860 and that's again it's because people are afraid to be called racist and so but he did win he did

03:45:29.280 win without going ethnocentric of course he did but but he's ignoring his base and arguably he

03:45:35.560 could have won by even more if he did a little bit more pandering to to white people because i 0.99

03:45:40.740 know tons of american nationalists who sat out that election because they were they were fucking 0.95

03:45:45.540 done listening to him pander to every group but them so you know i don't know maybe he could have

03:45:52.080 had another few million votes if he actually you know gave a few nods to uh you know actual

03:45:57.960 americans can i hop in here quick yeah go ahead steve yeah so first of all i do irl activism i

03:46:07.000 hand out pro white flyers that you can get at whitelivesmatter.ca they are legal to distribute

03:46:12.940 in canada hand to hand or if you want to do a little more anonymous anonymously put them up on

03:46:18.640 grocery store uh bulletin boards or pin them down to cars um parked on the street like with the

03:46:25.540 wiper blade um i've done it regularly in calgary never made the news i did it once in hamilton

03:46:32.340 made the news got an anti-hate article that's neither here nor there i want to point out that

03:46:36.720 i think uh alex cargill is a reasonable man and ferryman is an unreasonable man and what do i mean

03:46:43.640 by that in the words of george bernard shaw the reasonable man adapts himself to the world

03:46:49.060 the unreasonable man persists

03:46:51.380 in trying to adapt the world to himself

03:46:53.540 therefore all progress

03:46:55.680 depends on the unreasonable

03:46:57.540 man and I would say

03:46:59.480 I'm also an unreasonable man 0.99

03:47:01.380 Canada is for Canadians 1.00

03:47:02.980 Canadians are European 0.99

03:47:04.740 yeah 1.00

03:47:06.120 this is ludicrous 0.98

03:47:07.740 this is very ludicrous 0.78

03:47:09.420 the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me

03:47:11.600 Trent wait

03:47:13.200 no he was interrupting

03:47:15.880 he can come back later thank you

03:47:17.720 yeah nathan's having fun hey yeah um yeah i mean that that is that is sort of represents the uh

03:47:27.480 the dichotomy or this kind of two end of the spectrum of we need to work with the establishment

03:47:33.400 and not work with the establishment but work with sort of like what i don't even know if that's true

03:47:39.160 i think i think i think trans is is actually unreasonable as well um just in a different way

03:47:45.480 like he's he doesn't compromise like his if he was if he was a compromiser he would be working

03:47:51.220 with the cpc and be like this is the best we've got like this is the best chance so the just the

03:47:55.780 fact trans you would you would be a great influencer for the uh conservative party have 0.68

03:48:00.060 you thought about it switching over throwing throwing mack down the bus yeah i would agree 0.78

03:48:06.200 with that trans i don't agree with you on everything but i do agree that you are disagreeable 1.00

03:48:09.920 and that does work in your favor it's a good thing well and i have a lot of respect for both 1.00

03:48:14.940 alexes here but the reason why that quote comes to mind and and kind of juxtaposing the two alexes

03:48:22.040 on the panel is that uh cargo is a little more pragmatic and i would say ferryman is more

03:48:28.600 aspirational and that's why i'd say cargo is the more reasonable and ferryman's the more unreasonable

03:48:34.180 no i get you man i agree like i think honestly i'm operating in a political public realm and i

03:48:42.820 can't compete with people that have no such rules or regulations it's an impossible competition to

03:48:49.000 say ppc can be just as edgy and push the overton window as much as a group as much as a patriot

03:48:56.940 group it just isn't possible so i'm i've always been content i've always been having fun going

03:49:03.160 into diagonal lives going yep cringy civ nat has arrived go ahead guys i get it i've chosen to be

03:49:09.320 here because I feel like this is the place where I can make a big difference in people that aren't

03:49:14.800 on the extremely strong end that are willing to accept every ugly of the world. I don't think

03:49:20.500 that there's a way to get out of where we are by, I think I said it earlier, going to Wall Street 1.00

03:49:26.160 and saying, get the Jews out. There's only a way to go to Wall Street and pursue crimes without 0.97

03:49:30.920 putting any lens over it. And then after it's all done, if you guys want to say, see, I told you it

03:49:35.740 was 97 jewish i'll go oh you know what you guys are right but we can't approach it in the way 0.79

03:49:40.920 that you're free to say and public uh figures and public institutions are not free to say and i think

03:49:47.620 we can get to the same destination but i don't know i don't see a way your way and i see a way

03:49:53.120 this way well i mean i think you could i got a question for you i got a question for you

03:49:58.620 after this whole debate tonight you know in retrospect do you think that it was a mistake

03:50:04.320 to disavow the nationalists because you know in my opinion like the nationalists won this debate

03:50:11.760 tonight clear cut clear cut and if you look at the comments i have a lot of people that think

03:50:18.740 otherwise i don't care but i make my points regardless and i wouldn't expect tmac i would

03:50:24.380 expect you to think that fairman won and coming into this debate i had 1000 certainty that not

03:50:30.900 only would diagonal think i lost they would be absolutely incensed that i dared criticize them

03:50:36.980 no you know i i i mean i'm not really affiliated with diagonal but i i have a lot of respect for

03:50:42.420 you you know having this conversation and i do think that um i do go viral likewise a lot more

03:50:49.460 support by doing irl activism even if again it's funny trans just tmac is not diagonal man

03:50:56.900 neither of mine at all yeah like again this is you okay everybody who's nationalist minded to

03:51:05.360 being dude on generalizing it's in the fairy sphere i see him responding to tweets when i

03:51:11.060 talk to you i see him when you're around i don't know everyone's membership i don't click on

03:51:16.320 everyone's profile so would you say he's in your telegram or a friend of yours

03:51:21.100 i don't have fairy on telegram fairy is somebody that i i respect uh deeply i think that his views

03:51:31.140 are almost 100 spot on but i am not diagonal and i'm sorry white nationalist yes i am a white

03:51:40.500 nationalist i should have been i should have been more precise i'm sorry well you know it's just

03:51:45.160 again like the point i'm trying to make here it's not like oh you misgendered him or something like

03:51:49.800 obviously like it's it's more testament to like not understanding that the nationalist sentiment

03:51:55.520 growing in canada is is beyond diagonal on and like obviously we might be one of the the bigger

03:52:00.860 kind of entities that that you know make makes up the the wider nationalist movement in canada

03:52:06.620 but there are there are a lot of groups and they're growing fast and so like we're trying

03:52:12.280 to help rally this and kind of unify it but we don't claim to be you know myself jeremy derek

03:52:18.240 Like, it's not like we claim, you know, ownership of it or anything like that.

03:52:22.020 It's not ours.

03:52:23.060 It's above us.

03:52:25.440 There's a reason CESIS claims that there's over 300 hate groups in the country, right?

03:52:29.980 And it's not only because of Diaglon.

03:52:34.660 I'm just talking in the context of speaking with ferryman.

03:52:38.140 It's not really a big deal to me to, you know, I don't want to put it all on Diaglon or think everyone is Diaglon.

03:52:43.460 but what we were talking about right now was in the context of diagonal and i'm very happy to say

03:52:49.960 yes there's a lot of white nationalists and i think that it's out there to look at the data

03:52:54.720 and say is there more white nationalists or are there more civ nats or are there more cultural

03:53:00.100 nationalists who are the ones that are most affected by what's going on right now who are

03:53:05.040 in the largest number i can guarantee that it's a growing number of white nationalists but i also

03:53:09.840 think that there's an incredibly strong argument for what the doctor on here was saying Dr. Ricardo

03:53:14.080 about uh cultural nationalism and I only mentioned Civnat as a way of saying I'm not

03:53:20.000 white exclusive in who I would want to vote for PPC I think that that's a limiting thing and I

03:53:26.720 don't see any precedent for that anywhere on earth as as having worked Sean Alex I think you're a

03:53:32.760 smart guy do you think that culture is up or downstream from race

03:53:37.240 it's part it's not one it's not a binary no no no just give me an answer is it i just did

03:53:45.280 if i'm given a false dichotomy i'm going to increase it the scope of what you're saying

03:53:51.200 and correct the question that it is part of religion nationality race uh it's it's a mix

03:53:58.560 of things but it is not solely ethnic he's right okay sean go ahead yeah curious fairy um what

03:54:07.120 is the utility of going after the ppc like this has been an excellent conversation tonight and

03:54:14.860 i'm there you go you got your answer you didn't get to talk much in calvin cam loops there but

03:54:19.900 i'm thinking we're probably on the pretty much on the same page right like you say you don't see a

03:54:25.900 a political solution to this but the overton window in this country has moved rapidly

03:54:31.780 and the ppc is it's a large spectrum of people right and not everyone sees what we see 0.97

03:54:40.520 but why would that's like the fucking ira going after shin fein 0.98

03:54:45.740 right like being involved and having these kind of conversations and moving the ir hang on the ira 0.99

03:54:54.480 did go after shin fein whenever they negotiated and accepted you know bullshit terms all right

03:55:01.100 I wouldn't say that PPC has crossed any lines, though.

03:55:04.820 I'd say that that was my entire argument, Ferryman, was I know, I've long known that you view yourself as a pressure on movements to keep the Overton window going and keep PPC moving to a more extreme position to get on the radar.

03:55:19.180 and i'm just saying where's the line and where's the uh cost benefit analysis of if you're going

03:55:27.220 to put everything in terms of an ultimatum and one photo makes you launch a lot of tweets saying

03:55:33.900 that pbc is over it just seems like very unreliable support it seems like very bipolar support you've

03:55:41.960 you've missed the crux so first of all you you again you've missed the crux like this is a tactic

03:55:47.240 like you guys understand this right causing controversy gets you what you want it gets you

03:55:53.140 a conversation that you want it gets you the attention that you want being offensive is part

03:55:58.160 of it and so you may think it's childish you may think it's over the top you may think it's

03:56:01.780 exaggerated but to answer sean's question we're having this conversation right now because of the

03:56:07.840 actions that i took in the wake of that photo and basically i've been able to expose my view

03:56:13.220 and introduce you know these kinds of concepts to a much larger audience and predominantly ppc

03:56:18.500 audience it seems like because i took that offensive approach if i had gone with me criticism

03:56:24.340 and said oh this is not a great look from mac max he shouldn't do this like it's not that big of a

03:56:30.920 deal but like you know this is not really the way to go nobody would care but if i go out and i go 0.97

03:56:36.360 guns blazing and i say this is terrible this is the end of the ppc you guys are fucking up this 0.98

03:56:42.300 is incompetence all of a sudden we're engaging in the conversation aren't we 0.98

03:56:45.920 yeah i guess but it's like i don't know how do you do an accurate audit of how much good versus

03:56:53.820 bad you did i mean you live in a sphere where everyone's going to be going yes this is good

03:56:57.020 yes it's good but there is a huge swath of people that are not you know uh entertained by this stuff

03:57:03.400 and they're turned off by it what's the majority of people that you influenced with this right

03:57:09.320 aren't in this conversation and you you said earlier they don't want it they don't want to 0.96

03:57:14.560 be part of it i'm the only one who likes talking about uncomfortable shit a lot of people just 0.68

03:57:18.860 want to move on and go look i just want to pursue something that we can affect and i don't want to 0.96

03:57:23.720 be tied in with something that i think will get us uh black labeled yeah well and to what you said

03:57:29.460 right like i want to have the conversation i don't care i've never been afraid of having a

03:57:34.400 controversial conversation but many many pbcers are not like me and they want to row forward and

03:57:40.000 they don't want to take any of the drama that's associated with very volatile support that seems

03:57:45.960 to be very emphasized on the negative and bleeding uh compliments to it and not really like it's it's

03:57:53.520 different realms it's a completely different realm and that's why i said i think you should

03:57:57.140 start a political party and i'm sure you will but we are we're not starting a political party and

03:58:03.460 we haven't hid this at all we are starting a nationalist organization it's very close to being

03:58:07.660 launched and and the intention with it is to do exactly what we've been doing in a more

03:58:12.480 concentrated and effective way and you know more street movement more uh community building

03:58:19.160 of of the right uh you know type of guys who can uh you know commit the right level of engagement

03:58:27.300 so like we are working on this and it's you know been a long process and obviously finding the way

03:58:32.360 to do this without being labeled a terrorist organization or you know being uh attacked like

03:58:39.120 you know this this takes some some nuance and some um you know careful planning so it is in

03:58:46.300 the process we haven't really hidden that and so i'm sure you'll see that in the in 2025 um you

03:58:52.380 know it's it's basic it's not again it's not a secret um the name is out the the branding is out

03:58:58.140 like this this is we're doing it so it's happening um but again uh you you said like you know most

03:59:05.340 people don't engage in this space i mean dude there was almost 500 people here in here at one

03:59:10.360 point which is pretty big for a ppc centered space it's like if saying that most people don't want to

03:59:16.640 engage in this conversation i think is incorrect um they may disagree with me or they may disagree

03:59:21.680 with you but they actually do want to hear these conversations and um i i think that uh you know

03:59:27.640 we both acquitted ourselves pretty well and i think that i hopefully i gave the ppc some new

03:59:33.980 kind of concepts to think about when they think about nationalism when they think about who they

03:59:37.660 are as a people when they think about the direction they actually want this country to go

03:59:41.500 like these are important things all right let's forget that yeah that's why i like talking to

03:59:48.460 you fair i mean because you're incredibly reasonable when we talk but it seems to get

03:59:52.720 very incendiary and hyperbolic and all kinds of shit when it just goes into tweet mode which i

03:59:59.480 thought i hate looking at my phone tweeting responding to 50 different people saying the 0.97

04:00:04.020 same fucking thing and hitting send rather than just talking about it that's why that's why we're 0.88

04:00:08.600 having this uh that's why that's why we're having this conversation though to try to make it a more 0.99

04:00:14.280 high order conversation and actually get into the nitty-gritty and and not just constantly

04:00:18.540 bitch at each other and turn it into this flame war uh but i think you know ferryman does make

04:00:23.540 a good point which is what i think in a way uh the ppc needs to do which is like kind of be 0.78

04:00:28.380 like because this would be one of my criticisms of of the sort of tone and message of uh maxine

04:00:35.940 bernier's twitter sometimes it's a little bit it's too calculated it's too trying to be correct

04:00:40.640 about everything it's true well there's this and then i'm going to be balanced it's like no you

04:00:44.500 should be more controversial you should be more of a troll it should be more provocative uh and

04:00:49.580 simplistic maybe sometimes childish i don't know childish but like you know there is room for

04:00:55.400 improvement there i think for sure and i like it's the reason someone said earlier why don't

04:01:00.860 you want to be a candidate or something because i hate being locked into representing other people

04:01:06.580 than myself i hate not being able to be wild and say whatever the fuck i want so i do mitigate my

04:01:12.340 judgments of people that are public figures that do have to be positive joiners of people it's 0.80

04:01:17.620 cringy as i can't go into a chat room without destroying it like with you here i disagree with

04:01:24.900 i don't think you understand how much freedom you have as a ppc candidate trance you get you like

04:01:30.020 i've been one you you are way more personable and likable than me greg i'm sorry it's just

04:01:35.780 is and i'll say this i had interactions with probably half a dozen ppc candidates over this

04:01:42.800 controversy and i don't think that they were in any way being told what they can or can't say by

04:01:47.900 hq so i mean i got wildly different kind of responses on things so it kind of tells me

04:01:54.540 that they're not really yeah you're right max lets everyone pretty much be themselves it's a

04:01:58.960 very big tent and that's you know it's just me when i feel like i'm representing other people 0.85

04:02:04.860 it puts a level of responsibility on me that i like to just shoot my mouth off and and piss

04:02:11.380 people off yeah but i mean i completely disagree with that i completely disagree with that i mean

04:02:17.680 max blocked me for politely telling him that you know pandering to cheats is not the the way

04:02:24.180 forward you know this is a huge problem this is actually like i'm glad glad tmac brought this up 0.89

04:02:29.580 which is guys if maxime ever wants to win an election he can't block half of fucking canada 0.50

04:02:35.280 okay is he blocking i don't know how to state there is still an overestimation of like how 0.92

04:02:42.060 much is happening in on when i see online ppc versus irl ppc it's really a different block

04:02:49.300 and in like kelly lawrence in alberta had huge gains like 10 or something he got of the vote

04:02:54.980 with like 100 x followers like it's a bigger world out there this is global and when you

04:03:01.980 focus on door knocking and subvert all the digital mechanisms to censor ppc it is a much bigger world

04:03:08.100 uh than what we see i think i think you make a great point trans but at the same time uh you

04:03:15.040 want to have as many of your digital warriors like on your side to you know be uh adding to

04:03:21.580 the ratios and that sort of thing like i think it's a powerful thing that uh should be utilized

04:03:27.260 and it's actually one of the strengths of the ppc as well i don't agree i don't agree with the mass

04:03:31.660 blocking i don't agree with the mass blocking but there has been a hundredfold bot army that i've

04:03:37.980 not blocked into existence but muted into existence by being a ppc supporter and i think early on that

04:03:44.620 was happening with the project can sell a of completely animated attacks jumping over every

04:03:50.140 post max had and i think that that was a natural mechanism to say okay they won't appear if they're

04:03:55.260 blocked and and that just turned into a reflex of anyone that passes a certain rudeness level and

04:04:01.820 anyone that says they're blocked i do a search of their name and then i search max bernier and i

04:04:05.740 usually find that they're being as rude as the automated bots are that follow max around for

04:04:11.100 years well it's not an excuse guys i'm just saying it's a mitigating factor i would rather he mute

04:04:16.620 them i was being extremely polite to max and you know all i said was you know these people are not

04:04:23.740 canadians the the hindu nationalists you know they're not canadians and they need to be deported

04:04:29.420 too and you know i i feel like that is a pretty uh level-headed uh position to take and max blocked

04:04:37.440 me over that and you know blocking your your constituents over uh voicing a reasonable opinion 0.90

04:04:43.420 like that is fucking ridiculous yeah and this look i i admit because some people get blocked 0.96

04:04:49.360 by max because they're being like ludicrous right they're being over the top but man there's ppc 0.98

04:04:55.620 members who have gotten blocked by max for for because they get a little heated or something

04:05:00.580 i've had multiple ppc members be like max blocked me like they're a paying member of the party and

04:05:05.800 he just like that's not how i'm sorry man it's not how you like it's it's an immediate way to

04:05:10.560 ensure that you've forever lost a vote because that person is never going to see the stuff that

04:05:16.300 you you write in the future you're never going to be able to turn them around to win them over 0.98

04:05:20.700 to bring them back to your side you've basically said fuck you i don't want your vote and then why 0.92

04:05:25.480 would you expect them to give like it's just a terrible strategy and there's very what's the 0.99

04:05:29.780 utility and even blocking them too you know like like i can tweet the most vile stuff at trudeau

04:05:35.920 at polyev they're never going to block me because they're a federal party leader like by principle

04:05:40.420 you should not block people on that principle alone because the only result is you have people

04:05:45.600 like tmac and ppc supporters who care that's why they commented and like if you're like if you're

04:05:51.480 blocking them it's like what is the strategy here you know like it doesn't really make any sense

04:05:55.360 now i want to move on though because i feel like of all the issues that's kind of a you know

04:05:59.940 um anyway i hope it's good feedback for headquarters uh i need to eat something and

04:06:06.340 to sleep soon but do we do we hear from johan yet did you want to hop on and say something

04:06:12.180 and then we can wind it down guys okay yeah hi guys i'm from sweden in scandinavia and uh

04:06:20.260 i i think it's just an important thing to say that we have free health care here and we have free

04:06:31.460 dentists

04:06:33.660 up to age

04:06:35.180 23 years old

04:06:37.840 and

04:06:38.280 maybe it's something you can do when

04:06:41.800 Elon Musk starts

04:06:43.500 cutting the government

04:06:45.620 spendings in the US

04:06:47.600 that you can have free

04:06:49.640 healthcare too, I think it's important

04:06:51.660 and yeah, you can tell it to

04:06:53.760 Kennedy Jr.

04:06:56.380 and we all...

04:06:57.600 What?

04:06:58.480 Thank you, Joanne.

04:07:01.460 thank you so much for that that's a really good idea actually okay listen this is a lost viking

04:07:06.740 sir we're gonna have to get you to go back on your long ship and uh i don't know uh where you

04:07:11.320 parked your car we're in canada but um you know maybe we should have free health care you know

04:07:17.080 maybe once the right people are in charge we'll do that but um uh thank you thank you for tuning

04:07:22.540 in i appreciate it henrik from red ice follows him it's very strange i uh i thought for sure he

04:07:30.140 he was trolling or something um do we want to get anybody else up here i'm about uh

04:07:36.560 okay awesome well since i i think trans bowed out if there's any kind of closing statements

04:07:45.140 whatever you want to made if either you want to make some closing statements very many before

04:07:48.900 you go i think it sounds like we found some common ground here like i think both of them

04:07:52.220 make closing statements please uh yeah like because because let me just give my assessment

04:07:56.580 real quick i feel like we've found some common ground here and that yes um you know the ppc

04:08:03.120 could have some spicier messaging some better messaging they um you know can try to be more 0.55

04:08:10.060 controversial and get in the news and that sort of thing um and on the other hand i i don't think

04:08:15.640 i've ever heard this from you know from the ferryman camp before but it's like you it sounds

04:08:19.880 like you understand that although it's not part of the political system it all is still politics

04:08:25.860 at the end of the day like you do still need to kind of be diplomatic and try to win people over

04:08:31.280 because i just feel you know there are people who follow diagonal or whatever that are sometimes

04:08:35.940 like they kind of reject that notion entirely of we don't need to be diplomatic at all and we just

04:08:41.020 kind of need to do our own thing and that's um you know it sounds like on the space you kind of

04:08:46.420 mentioned that like no there needs to be a plan there does need to be some sort of um uh method

04:08:52.620 to make our ideas more popular so look you

04:08:58.800 you have to be pragmatic and you have to be able to be diplomatic but unless you have teeth

04:09:07.280 unless you have added unless you have an unwillingness to compromise you don't get

04:09:12.360 what you want and this is this is part of the strategy which is look think about simple

04:09:17.000 negotiation tactics if you want a five dollar raise you ask for a ten dollar raise because you

04:09:23.260 negotiate down to five so if if i want canada to be you know 85 90 90 percent you know white again

04:09:32.260 then i'm gonna ask for 100 i'm gonna ask for 99 i'm not gonna i'm not gonna negotiate from like 0.74

04:09:39.200 oh if we can just get rid of like a few of these international students that would be

04:09:42.880 good i guess like that's weak that like this is this is not a good negotiating tactic and so 0.59

04:09:49.320 again when the ppc was saying oh we need to reduce immigration that was weak when they start saying

04:09:55.140 moratorium and even you know i've read the policy moratorium is kind of like a a misnomer because

04:10:01.860 they're saying like a moratorium on what was it permanent residencies or something like that but

04:10:07.680 they're okay with international students and temporary workers they just want fewer of them

04:10:12.000 like you know because those are sorry go on i was gonna say i don't really like the term

04:10:16.740 moratorium because it's like if i tell an apolitical friend they're gonna be like what

04:10:20.540 the hell is that is that is that like a building the the best line is mass deportations now which

04:10:27.000 is a pretty popular expression i mean in the european context they're going with re-migration

04:10:32.300 that's been popularized by martin selner and the the austrians uh you know continental europe and

04:10:37.880 now it's spilled over into the you know the english and so that that's becoming a pretty

04:10:43.480 popular slogan remigration i guess it's a little bit softer than mass deportations but it's the

04:10:49.260 same thing ultimately um so like yeah yeah if you want to like you have to start approaching the

04:10:57.240 problem from a position of strength and you know an unwillingness to compromise um if you want to

04:11:02.640 get what you want and this is just the problem with canadians is they'll compromise away their

04:11:07.360 entire existence and so you know that that's what we're trying to embolden is this again it's this

04:11:13.000 fighting spirit it's this unwillingness to negotiate this unwillingness to compromise

04:11:17.420 this uh you know this it needs teeth you have to have some aggression you got you can't be a a dog

04:11:26.180 without a bite and all bark it's never going to work you have to be able to you know be aggressive

04:11:31.560 in these situations and i've proven that i've proven that it works you know i don't know if

04:11:37.220 you can say it's me myself but the very fact we're having this conversation is because i had teeth

04:11:42.100 and because i approached the problem with aggression and an unwillingness to compromise 0.99

04:11:45.820 and a fuck you attitude that's why we're here right now that's why 500 people listen to this 0.99

04:11:50.840 so like again the what whatever analogy you want to use the greasy wheel you know the squeaky wheel 1.00

04:11:56.800 gets the grease or you know the what whatever you you this is the approach that you have we have

04:12:04.280 over 5 000 engagements right now let's go let's go and we we really appreciate everyone being

04:12:10.060 respectful tonight i feel like it was a productive conversation trans did you want to say anything

04:12:14.440 before you go yeah sure it's just that i was the one pushing for this and i think you were a little

04:12:21.420 reluctant early on ferryman but uh it is good to talk about this stuff but i do think that we're

04:12:27.920 talking about different realms like you can celebrate the rules free realm of being a radical

04:12:32.620 But being a public persona, trying to get votes from all of Canada, you can't like you never had to draw the line tonight.

04:12:39.580 You never had to say what makes Karima stay. You never had to say this is all I don't think you know, she doesn't say.

04:12:46.860 So like so I see the rhetoric get reasonable when we're talking, but it goes to a complete level where you can't expect Max to endorse what's happening outside of the realm where you're in, you know, the clubhouse where anything goes to the political realm.

04:13:01.320 So I'm talking about things that are possible in a certain set of rules and a certain set of restrictions.

04:13:06.440 And I get that you're pushing it and you're pushing the envelope.

04:13:09.460 But there's also forces that have been trying to push the envelope way too far.

04:13:13.700 And I think that there is some sort of line where we need to know where does it stop and where is it where is it valuable as as an ally and where does it go to be where you're a Kinsella operation doing exactly what they did in 2019.

04:13:26.260 so so i know that you're reasonable when i talk to you but i also know that you've got a certain

04:13:32.240 set of things that are getting engagement that guide you and a certain thing that happens with

04:13:36.880 a lot of conservatives too where they don't want to unify under a banner of anything what's that

04:13:41.980 poll in the comments tonight and and you tell me who people agree with okay what are you talking

04:13:48.020 about a twitter poll that's gonna just justify whoever retweets it whoever puts more effort into

04:13:53.020 you think that's science is that conversation the people that were listening to the conversation

04:13:59.080 okay i mean okay it's all right that's not really it's just a twitter poll but like yeah it's a

04:14:04.300 twitter poll i don't think that's science i think you need to probably just see who's retweeting it

04:14:08.520 the most and who cares about winning the argument and saying they won over having a discussion

04:14:12.940 i'm proud of every point i made early on i thought that the doctor came in keep huffing on that

04:14:18.220 copium it's not copium dude i i'm completely happy with debating ferryman and i think even

04:14:24.620 he would agree we both had strong points and we both you know have areas where we conceded some 1.00

04:14:30.560 ground so if you want to be a tribalist uh jockeying up that totem pole to suck that dick 0.99

04:14:36.220 then keep going bro i i just want to point out i think it's interesting that you think 1.00

04:14:41.000 you were the one pushing for this i think that's very interesting i mean i know you asked for it

04:14:47.860 wait okay hold on hold on this isn't going into any any productive territory no no i know i want

04:14:53.860 to hear this wasn't i i mean you you were but i mean you kind of did exactly what what i wanted

04:15:00.740 you to do because you brought all of the ppc this was the ppc was the one driving this it's being

04:15:07.140 hosted by a ppc member uh all the ppc leadership was tagged in this um the i looked through the

04:15:14.100 majority of people listening to this space were ppc supporters and they all listened to me which

04:15:20.660 they never would have so like you gave me exactly what i wanted so thank you for doing that you guys

04:15:26.420 have heard where we're coming from we've always heard that though there's never been anyone that

04:15:31.460 silenced you or was trying to keep you on the back burner no but what i'm saying is i could

04:15:35.220 have never gotten this engagement if i hadn't acted the way i did and and then you came right

04:15:40.420 and i couldn't have got the distinction that ethno nationalism is just a spoke in the wheel

04:15:44.820 and it's not the entire wheel so achieving that was fine with me that people agreed with

04:15:50.020 do you think that people okay now guys we're not we're not going to have this conversation

04:15:53.380 yeah i think that it's a biased issue that depends on what lens you're coming from silly

04:15:57.780 silly and petty let's wrap it up here yeah great go ahead uh we found some we found some common 0.83

04:16:03.460 ground we found some differences and we're the point is it's a good thing that we came together 0.76

04:16:09.860 get together to have this conversation because i think it was very productive and it was civil

04:16:15.380 now the real question is what what what are we going to do when the headline comes out where

04:16:20.240 it's like because people's party leadership rubbing soldiers with diagonal on oh my god

04:16:28.900 what are we going to do when that headline comes out um were they though let me give well they're

04:16:34.940 going to you know that that's obviously a possibility let me let me give you the let

04:16:40.900 me give you the play on this one if that does happen you say yeah so what and then you and

04:16:45.800 then and then you move on exactly that's a better tweet actually about the fact that they're not

04:16:50.520 apologetic yeah yeah i agree well i just want everybody who is listening right now to go and

04:16:56.680 vote in the poll that i just put up in the jumbo uh you know okay this is democracy

04:17:04.620 let me see let me see who's retweeted it okay ferryman's retweeted it uh who else derrick uh

04:17:11.340 yeah dag dag and dude if you think that's scientific this is pointless celebrating a w

04:17:18.380 in the clubhouse shouting match we won we got a more debate okay it's very amazing content this

04:17:24.540 is great hey we're gonna wrap it up you guys are the fans of elections and democracy and voting and

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04:19:57.220 before i go uh mm says dags are a bunch of gagging groupies who think they're tough

04:20:05.040 lol vote ppc i mean i don't think that's true i think there's a lot of i think ferryman is very

04:20:12.000 and very intelligent and actually really well spoken uh despite the crazy stuff that he might

04:20:16.700 tweet sometimes uh kenzie kraken says four hours was pretty dang awesome um yeah no yeah we're

04:20:26.200 getting up there um bruce g says nice job moderating thanks do you think it was okay i thought i did

04:20:32.280 okay it's kind of weird because i you know i mean i guess it's probably better that i agree kind of

04:20:36.980 with both sides right so i'm not gonna hop too much on one side or the other oh you guys can't

04:20:41.540 even see me can you whoops total ferryman victory says St. George Kirby Floyd BLM 69 I mean I think

04:20:52.300 I heard points good points from both sides I think that to me one of the goals of tonight was to try

04:20:59.620 to give some useful information to PPC headquarters and I think we succeeded in that I think that

04:21:06.180 yeah I think that

04:21:09.700 there's a lot more to be

04:21:12.320 desired in terms of

04:21:14.440 getting the message out there

04:21:15.880 I don't know if I said this in the debate tonight

04:21:18.540 but you know I'm seeing

04:21:20.460 I'm seeing

04:21:22.940 Mark Emery make

04:21:24.640 tweets I'm seeing

04:21:26.320 Daniel Tyree the former executive

04:21:28.780 director of the PPC make tweets

04:21:30.860 and of course Ferryman and

04:21:32.700 others make tweets that I feel

04:21:34.740 would I'm like man

04:21:35.940 this is exactly what max should be saying you know like this is what max's twitter should be

04:21:41.440 saying because this has more grit it's got more oomph to it and i really think they should be

04:21:46.920 working around the clock to focus on that one issue mass immigration ppc focus on mass immigration

04:21:55.860 focus on deportations just keep keep working workshop the bumper stickers workshop t uh you

04:22:02.360 know what what you can put on t-shirts is a deportations is a remigration we were talking

04:22:07.520 about how maybe moratorium isn't the sexiest word because most people don't even know what

04:22:13.020 moratorium is so i would be working around the clock to workshop that think of things

04:22:19.640 to get max in the headlines sure they're going to call it racist of course they are but this is

04:22:25.460 this is what you want because if you look at the growth of the ppc it's always when they were being

04:22:30.660 called racist and in the media we know this we know this is the case um and yeah i mean in terms

04:22:38.240 of that debate i i push back a little bit on diagonal on and ferryman um because yeah i mean

04:22:45.280 it likes the the racial purity stuff i don't think i don't think that's very appealing to people i

04:22:51.000 understand like where he's coming from but it's like that is that is that is a tough sell for me

04:22:58.340 that that is like um that's a little intense for i think for most people whereas you know

04:23:06.140 you can get like you know you can get people to agree with the mass deportations but the second

04:23:13.080 it's like pure like racial purity and stuff it's like whoa like that that really has a different 0.61

04:23:18.800 vibe to it i think and especially for the ppc it's also like absurd it's like you're not you're not

04:23:24.440 going to have um you're not going to have the ppc saying stuff like this that alludes to like

04:23:30.700 you know racial purity like that's that's just total and it's not because you're going to get 0.99

04:23:36.100 called racist it's because regular ass working class people will be like oh shit like uh like 0.99

04:23:42.900 i don't think i can associate myself with that um whereas you know doing something along with 0.99

04:23:49.260 what they're what they're doing just making it more aggressive with mass deportations i think is

04:23:54.000 totally something a lot of Canadians

04:23:56.940 will get on board with.

04:24:01.060 Lee Stewie says, I think Canada should be

04:24:02.940 a large majority white country. 0.98

04:24:05.140 Yeah, I think there's a term for that. 0.67

04:24:06.560 A white majoritarian.

04:24:10.360 I think,

04:24:11.320 you know, I didn't really

04:24:13.100 bring it up tonight on

04:24:14.460 the debate, but

04:24:16.760 it's not

04:24:19.200 because I've heard some people say too

04:24:21.060 of like, hey, like, well, this

04:24:22.880 deportation talk is kind of scary because it's like well you know i have a black friend or a

04:24:27.120 brown friend like will we deport them and i would say like that doesn't really matter right now

04:24:32.280 because we don't even have any political power to impose any of these things anyway so it's like

04:24:39.800 you know figuring that out i don't think is really that important of a discussion i think what we can

04:24:44.780 do now is use the deportation word as a rhetorical device to you know popularize our message and this

04:24:55.780 idea of you know reversing this intense demographic change that's the most important thing right now

04:25:01.660 is popularizing this rhetorical device uh of deportation and and just making more canadians

04:25:08.880 realize that it is totally possible and um yeah although me and ferryman didn't agree on everything

04:25:15.440 i think he was totally nail on the head when it comes to like how radicals push push the culture

04:25:22.180 push the overton window and um yeah i think that's like a really good point that the ppc needs to

04:25:30.120 embrace they need to be the more radical right-wing party uh because they already are they're already

04:25:37.040 branded as that they're already kind of like you know they get smeared that way and they really

04:25:43.940 have nothing to lose except except more popularity because there's a lot of people who feel feel this

04:25:51.720 way that we need to kind of reverse this radical demographic change Karen M says my bath water is

04:25:58.880 cold the great space Greg yeah you know what I think I'm going to call it with that on that note

04:26:03.940 on that note we're going to wrap it up uh thanks for tuning in wow four four and a half hours

04:26:12.640 all i had was a glass of water unbelievable thanks for tuning in guys i'm just gonna

04:26:18.300 stop it now thank you so much for tuning in love you love you always

04:26:23.300 and until next time we will talk to you soon peace out

Greg Wycliffe - November 15, 2024

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