00:01:09.580So I don't know what is the game here.
00:01:13.000I don't know if it's for clicks, for brand, and we're in a competition brand.
00:01:17.660I mean, I've seen this happen with Chris Sky and the United front, whatever.
00:01:22.180I don't even remember what it was now.
00:01:24.000But I've seen this happen time and time again, where people think that PPC is stealing from them and there's a jealousy that's imprinted in this.
00:01:32.140And it's really just it's no boardroom meeting where PPC made a pivot saying we're going after this demographic.
00:01:37.620It's that Max backs up his candidates and PPC is a big tent.
00:01:41.860And the same way he backed up a 2019 candidate who said, I think Islam's evil and went to bat for that candidate at the, you know, fury of Canadian media.
00:01:50.660He backed up his happy-go-lucky, hippie Michael Bader candidate, who I'm not trying to deride Michael.
00:01:56.400He's an amazing character, and he is very accepting.
00:01:59.800He's civic nationalist to the bone, and we accept that in PPC.
00:02:04.380And really what I've seen this become is if you're not ethno-nationalist and we own that term now, you're not getting our support.
00:02:13.560And that's okay, but that's how I feel this was.
00:02:16.580I think it was a moment of Michael Bader took a call that this sounds like a great idea.
00:02:21.200It wasn't a great idea, but it wasn't some final nail in the coffin.
00:02:24.700Only if you've always been on that perch, which I'm used to seeing.
00:02:27.520I'm used to people looking for a reason to tap out.
00:02:30.020And I felt that PPC has always been in a competition between the blue pill, people that take the easy way out, and the black pill, which is people that are very strong.
00:02:38.620But their anger is being misdirected into thinking that they can't do anything politically, which is what a lot of Canada's tyranny and undercover force has done.
00:02:48.220And every time they want to try Canadians as domestic terrorists, the first thing they say is they were not pursuing any political solutions.
00:02:54.760So I think it's a trap to go into that mess. And even if it's not a trap, it's not hurting you.
00:02:59.960I feel like Diaglion and PPC are non-overlapping magisteria where you're a patriot group, we're a political party, you have no rules and you can push the edge as much as you want, but you can't expect public figures to join you in your edge competition.
00:04:46.640it was such a poor political maneuver maneuver it speaks to incompetence um the very fact that
00:04:52.960they would show up to a an explicitly hindu group uh for any circumstance for any reason whatsoever
00:04:59.200um is mind mind-boggling to me um the last thing that any canadian wants to see right now or
00:05:06.840specifically any conservative left or right-leaning or nationalistic minded canadian wants to see
00:05:12.420right now is another politician taking a photo with a group of indians nobody wants to see that
00:05:18.520right now and the fact that maxine bernier and michael bader couldn't figure that out before
00:05:23.720they did it and then even went to the process of of posting it speaks to them not really
00:05:29.700understanding where canadians are at now i would also add that the fact that maxine bernier had to
00:05:35.620add that he was not pandering kind of speaks to the fact that he was or at least that he was afraid
00:05:40.560it would be construed that way the the just the fact that he had to deny that he was pandering
00:05:45.540is a very strange thing to do it's kind of like a what an odd thing to say moment like why would
00:05:50.920you say that if you're not it's just a weird um you know framing of the situation and then on top
00:05:57.280of that lastly uh when it comes to the pandering aspect of this there's another group that is being
00:06:02.520pandered to that you know is kind of the subtext to this um what what max the the i and i think the
00:06:09.380primary group that maxine bernier was pandering to with this uh debacle was actually self-hating
00:06:15.800or at least white guilt-ridden canadians um this is the same phenomena that we see with trump
00:06:22.880with blacks for trump and latinos for trump and all this stuff and how he talks about how he's
00:06:27.880the best president for blacks and how he loves black people and all this stuff the reality is
00:06:32.860that um he knows they're not going to vote for him did you really believe that he thought he was
00:06:38.020going to turn a sizable portion of the black population to vote Republican? No, of course
00:06:42.980not. The people that he's actually pandering to whenever he does this, you know, I love black
00:06:47.520people. I love Latinos. I love, you know, whoever is actually white people. He's trying to convince
00:06:52.720these white people that are riddled with self, you know, loathing and guilt that he's not racist
00:06:59.120and you're not racist if you support him and it's okay. So again, it's a very bizarre way of going
00:07:05.800about it but that's what he was doing now on top of that i don't know how much time i have can i
00:07:10.420get a time check there greg just because i want to uh yeah you got about a minute okay i'll just
00:07:14.980wrap up here lastly um the the fact that this group was not vetted by the ppc again just speaks
00:07:22.960to what a terrible political maneuver this was if you do a cursory search into this group you'll
00:07:29.140discover that they explicitly engage in identity politics which is hilarious to me because you can
00:07:35.020go look on their website they openly talk about how they uh they seek to uh introduce policies
00:07:42.220that benefit minorities in canada they're explicitly a hindu advocacy group that aims
00:07:48.400to advocate for hindus in canada and and also globally so they're not just a canadian group
00:07:53.360they're actually a global group so the idea that this is like not identity like it's so strange
00:07:57.920to me that maxine bernier would say i'm not playing identity politics while taking a photograph with
00:08:03.140a group that explicitly engages in identity politics. And then lastly, just to wrap this up,
00:08:08.560when you say that this is an inversion of pandering, that it's Hindus for Bernier,
00:08:14.380I find that fascinating as well, because basically what you're saying is, and you did this with Trump
00:08:18.600as well, you listed blacks for Trump, Latinos for Trump, whatever group for Trump. What about
00:08:23.460whites for Trump? It's funny to me, because it seems like you're actually okay with identity
00:08:28.460politics and that the ppc is totally okay with identity politics as long as it's a form of
00:08:33.780identity politics that aligns with the ppc so it's okay if it's hindus for bernier that's fine if it
00:08:40.520if it's hindus for paulieb all of a sudden that's a problem and this just speaks to as you you got
00:08:45.980into the identity crisis that canadians have and this problem with this this self-loathing and
00:08:52.220uh white guilt that we possess and we need to get past that i'll end it there okay thanks
00:08:58.940very much so um trans if you'd like you know attack part of ferryman's argument or maybe
00:09:06.040ask him a question or kind of share share what's on your mind based on uh based on ferryman's
00:09:11.380opening statement uh yeah i'm sure he does he want to take a stab at responding to mine first
00:09:19.900or do you want me to respond to what he just said um what do you want what do you want ferryman to
00:09:24.040respond to i'm fine with going first no no it's just if he had anything like you know other than
00:09:29.360the question and he did address some points of what i said so it kind of was a response to mine
00:09:33.640but if he'd like to i don't know i just felt fair but i'm happy to go um yeah i i think what he said
00:09:40.160was if there's no lumping together uh of these groups i i represented that this is a sliver of
00:09:46.160people and no matter if they have some agenda that is secretly hindustani first or on their
00:09:50.920webpage and they need to be vetted it was a political stunt for them it was them wearing
00:09:55.560a shirt saying live in the country you support or support the country you live in or live in the
00:10:00.000country you support so it's the same way that people would say max is pro mask because he was
00:10:05.100jokingly wearing a mask that said ppc on it halfway around his chin um if if you want to
00:10:11.480exaggerate it into something that's massive and ending for ppc you can do that but i think it was
00:10:17.100just him backing up a candidate that said yes to a phone call and that was it it wasn't some
00:10:22.340boardroom meeting about the direction of ppc needs to be to pander to these groups and again when he
00:10:26.440says i'm engaging into identity politics or when when max is engaging that no identity political
00:10:31.220groups which were all organized under uh are approaching max it's not the inverse of that
00:10:36.160it's not him going to if this group has some agenda for hindustan then they're going to hit
00:10:40.720a brick wall the same way anyone that wanted max to weigh in on israel after the october 7th attacks
00:10:45.840hit a brick wall and he said no i'm canada first it's a very simple repetitive answer for anyone
00:10:49.820that wants to pander their group no i'm canada first you can all have an equal playing field
00:10:53.280here and if you don't fit in with the monoculture monoculture that canada is that was created by
00:10:58.680white europeans and they can take full credit for that if you're not good at fitting into that
00:11:02.940society you're going to fail in the society and you're going to go somewhere else but it's up to
00:11:06.620him to just provide the environment for people to behave in and if they don't behave at least
00:11:11.240you've got a civic nationalist uh who is letting all people in but he's not saying you can exist
00:11:18.240here if you don't jive with the white european created society that made canada great so there's
00:11:23.780other stuff but i don't know how much time i have um did you want trump's black vote shift was
00:11:29.660enormous it was you know normally he the republicans get a fraction of the black vote and he
00:11:34.400turn that into like a split so it was crucial the black vote was crucial he got a combined like 15
00:11:40.660of the black vote which is a little bit more but not really what are you talking about when when
00:11:47.680it's 51 to 50 or to 49 it's it's massive like when when the margins are so small getting any
00:11:56.000bump on that is is good it's he loses if it goes down it's what i'm telling you see this is what i
00:12:01.580think is so fascinating because you've brought up blacks for trump uh in our last conversation
00:12:05.480you mentioned you know latinos for trump being i think you actually said latinos for trump is the
00:12:10.440reason that that he won like that was the difference maker latinos for trump no i wouldn't
00:12:16.280say that that was the one thing that got on it's it's everything it's not being exclusive it's not
00:12:21.000you know he didn't hire nick fuentes as his campaign manager is what i mean but but the the
00:12:26.160one thing that you know everybody kind of conveniently skirts around is the fact that
00:12:30.540trump won that election because of white people overwhelmingly you can say we're taking it for
00:12:36.700granted but i don't think oh sorry am i allowed to do that let me just let you go sorry fairman
00:12:41.220i'll just let you go so well i mean there's there's a lot that we could dissect here and i
00:12:45.620want to keep the obviously i want to keep the conversation constructive and so part of the
00:12:50.000problem here is that we have different definitions of things and i think that like a valuable exercise
00:12:56.180here would be for us to define certain terms so that we can proceed with this discussion knowing
00:13:03.020what each other is talking about so for example this question gets brought up a lot and it's
00:13:08.040something that's uh you know pretty important in in today's culture which you know where we have
00:13:13.260this canadian identity crisis which is what is a canadian uh very few people can give a definitive
00:13:19.020answer to that question it almost always depends on some kind of subjective or vague uh you know
00:13:26.560interpretation it's usually a civic nationalist definition and this is a huge problem because
00:13:33.060by by definition if if it's determined by values or some kind of subjective uh you know language
00:13:43.040that means that really it's anyone as long as they ascribe to it so like what is your definition of
00:13:50.240a canadian alex i i think we might push that off to a little later because we're going to have
00:13:56.180ricardo deshane come in but that's a good teaser isn't that one of the topics anyways though greg
00:14:01.340isn't that like i mean if you want to go for it now i i kind of wanted to focus on this tweet
00:14:06.180in on this tweet a little bit more because i just think it would be valuable because it's in the
00:14:11.060tweet so for example Maxine Bernier says that's how we unite Canadians from different backgrounds
00:14:16.120sure but that's my question is is what is a Canadian because the people in this picture
00:14:20.700these Hindus to me they are not Canadian by definition they're not Canadian so if he's
00:14:25.640talking about uniting with these people I fundamentally disagree they're not Canadian
00:14:30.120I do not want to unite with them because I don't view them as my kin or my folk so like this is a
00:14:36.040huge yeah that's no nationalist yeah and and so you know i'll give my definition because i have
00:14:41.540no problem with it i believe that a canadian canadians are a european diaspora population
00:14:46.400who's who explored settled founded and built the nation of canada or the country of canada
00:14:52.220and that is the definite now you may not like that definition you may take issue with that for
00:14:57.860all kinds of reason but the the one thing you can't deny is that it's explicit i've just said
00:15:03.500this is what i believe a canadian is it's factual it's determined it's uh immutable like you can't
00:15:10.460you know say like oh well what about this or what about that i mean i've just said very clearly what
00:15:15.500i think a canadian is and so you know language is important understanding people is important
00:15:21.980so when i say canadian i am referring to the european diaspora population that founded settled
00:15:28.860built this country just what what do you what does max mean when he says canadian what do you mean
00:15:34.860when you say canadian i i just i actually just want to ask you a question real quick fairy
00:15:39.100how does because this is on the red end sign red ensign uh flag as well how does how and you know
00:15:46.220let me be a lefty for a second here um what about the native people who are also on that flag
00:15:52.700do they incorporate to to the definition in your mind yes sir what native people on the flag
00:15:58.500isn't there three uh like no this is some kind of weird myth that was started there there's no
00:16:05.760um explanation there's no historical significance behind the three leaves other than that's what
00:16:11.980uh you know a maple leaf branch looks like it's usually three leaves connected by one branch so
00:16:17.940this idea that it represents the metis the the first nations and the inuit is nonsense it's
00:16:23.880something that was applied retroactively probably by a civic nationalist but i don't know who um this
00:16:29.620is just one of those uh myths sure okay debunked i am glad however i'm really glad that you brought
00:16:36.820up the first nations and here's why because we have a very good example of modern day ethno
00:16:44.080nationalism in Canada right now that everybody almost universally agrees to and has no issue with
00:16:52.020and it is the ethno-nationalism of the First Nations people. I was born I've been told on the
00:16:58.480unceded unsurrendered territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabek people okay I was born in Ottawa
00:17:04.760does that make me Algonquin does that make me Anishinaabek or whatever the word is
00:17:10.380No. So for some reason, we understand that you can only be Algonquin or Cree or Mohawk or Ojibwe or Mi'kmaq or any of these things by blood.
00:17:22.880And the funny thing is, it's not even transferable between First Nations.
00:17:26.780An Ojibwe can't go join the Cree First Nation, at least not implicitly.
00:17:31.660They would have to be accepted into it. I don't know if that ever occurs.
00:17:34.760but it's a perfect example of where ethno-nationalism exists in this country and
00:17:39.620nobody bats an eye at it but whenever a canadian a year and my definition of a canadian asserts
00:17:46.160that they are an explicit you know ethnic group all of a sudden that that is racist it's called
00:17:51.580into question and it needs to be you know shut down so this is this is a perfect example of
00:17:57.300where you know rules for the uh rules for me but not for thee when it comes to ethno-nationalism
00:18:04.000and again nobody has an issue with this everybody knows that it makes perfect sense that i'm not
00:18:09.020algonquin just because i was born on algonquin territory so what is the issue with canadians
00:18:15.220asserting themselves as a specific and exclusive ethnic group why is that a problem so i but just
00:18:22.880to you know nail down these definitions here so in your mind uh algonquins are algonquins they're
00:18:28.920actually not canadians and like these different first nations first nations in my mind too in my
00:18:33.860mine too like i'm a civ that and i think they might should be but uh i don't think they are
00:18:38.420i think they live on reserves and they live exclusive with exclusive rights they can fish
00:18:42.240as much as they want i got a white man can't i got a curveball what about the metis people
00:18:47.540which is uh an ethnic makeup of like you know like french fur traders and uh various native
00:18:53.920i thought they're just white people who want to be on the privilege scale
00:18:56.560well that's how it often plays out in modern times but that's actually a perfect example so
00:19:02.600if you take the Métis, they are two ethnic peoples that merged into one group that have
00:19:08.160a distinct culture. Now, the interesting thing is that Métis culture, at least in early Canadian
00:19:13.260history, was not so different from Quebecois culture early on. But for some reason, we
00:19:18.000understand that the Métis and the Quebecois are not the same thing, despite the fact that there's
00:19:22.840a large overlap between them, both culturally and ethnically. So for some reason, we understand
00:19:29.180that when you mix two groups you get something new which is exactly what happened in canada we
00:19:34.220mixed european peoples and we got something new right and so one of the another one of the issues
00:19:39.980i take with something that trans said earlier is he likes to define canadian culture or what it
00:19:45.580means to be canadian as a multi-ethnic monocultural society and this is a complete actually it's an
00:19:53.820inverse of what canadian actually used to be we used to be a multicultural but mono-racial society
00:20:01.740we had french irish scottish english these were all different cultures that merged together
00:20:07.340and yes those different cultures remain distinct it's why we have acadian and quebecois and you
00:20:13.180know the cowboy prairies and all this stuff these were different cultures that merged but they were
00:20:18.300monoracial and it's only in modern times that the inverse has become the truth where it's supposed
00:20:24.320to be and it's not monocultural which i think actually trans would agree with there is absolutely
00:20:29.060no monoculture in this country whatsoever so to call it that is is is a miss uh you know no i
00:20:35.440don't i don't think it is ferryman i think it should be i don't i definitely don't think we're
00:20:39.720a monoculture i think we're an absolute mess of multicultural i actually disagree i think canada
00:20:45.220should be monoracial and we can keep our multicultural aspect because the multiculturalism
00:20:49.940of the quebecois and the english and irish and scottish and to a lesser extent other european
00:20:55.080peoples actually merged very well assimilation for some reason actually works whenever it's with
00:21:01.300you know your ethnic kin and that's the difference because the truth is that there's really not that
00:21:07.020much difference between the dutch and the english when it comes to uh religion or uh beliefs uh you
00:21:14.800know cultural systems values they're very similar the major difference is language and once you
00:21:20.400bridge that barrier it's really not that big of a problem is it and if you want a perfect example
00:21:25.060of that look at the ukrainians we've taken in hundreds of thousands of ukrainians in this
00:21:30.020country in the last uh two years or two and a half years do you see them waving their flags
00:21:36.360in the streets of ottawa and toronto every weekend do you see them fighting with other ethnic groups
00:21:42.560constantly for some reason the ethnic ukrainians were somehow able to merge into canadian society
00:21:48.560almost seamlessly aside from the accents they they seem to fit right in whereas for some reason
00:21:55.280indians do not it's almost like there's an ethnic thing at play here or a racial thing at play here
00:22:01.600and ignoring that is is going to be our downfall okay that we've gotten a good idea of what ferryman
00:22:08.800defines as a canadian uh trans let's hear more uh from your perspective on answering this question
00:22:15.420on what a canadian is yeah well a canadian is what ferryman said but a canadian citizen
00:22:22.380is unless you're not going to accept the citizenship be issued to immigrants is people
00:22:28.400of any color at the moment and i agree with him that i would love to have a discriminatory process
00:22:33.840for who we allow into the country that they need to be compatible with the society we live in but
00:22:38.560there is a huge number of people that we can't just put a knife down the middle and say you're
00:22:44.180not white so you've got to go that gets rid of you know karima and jeremy's lawyer and i don't know
00:22:50.720when when ferryman says stuff like this it's such 20 years in the future you haven't mapped this out
00:22:57.200unless you want an immediate collapse and a negan like dystopian state where you round up anyone of
00:23:03.760color without regard to their character then this is an impossible thing that only makes you
00:23:09.640completely politically toxic so it's not realistic in the least and i haven't heard a framework for
00:23:15.500all the bluster about we need i i agree i agree that white should be proud of themselves and no
00:23:21.160one suffers at the hands of the marxist privilege scale white straight capitalist men have been put
00:23:27.080on a pyre in the privilege scale to burn as a scapegoat for all other races that are having
00:23:31.940trouble assimilating to our culture. I get all that, but we must deal with the situation that
00:23:37.160we currently find ourselves in and to get any kind of a playing field where all cultures can
00:23:42.200participate equally and people will see for themselves like, hmm, unless I behave like the
00:23:47.040white European culture, I don't seem to be thriving in this society. Perhaps I'll go when I don't have
00:23:52.000the welfare mechanisms that are going to reward me based on how racialized I am. Perhaps I'm going
00:23:57.120to go we can only solve the problems ferryman's talking about with a populist meritocracy not a
00:24:03.760heading to wall street and say get the jews out and everything will be good that is a drastic
00:24:08.480caricature that in the near term doesn't allow us to realize goals of just having a monoculture that
00:24:13.680is based in the utopian state that ferryman espouses that whites created everything and
00:24:18.400it works really great i say let every ethnicity participate in that culture and if they succeed
00:24:25.280they will stay and you will be happy with them and they will be the karimas and they will be
00:24:28.560the jeremy's lawyer and if you're not happy with them they won't be making money and they will not
00:24:32.560be staying here but in order to get to that reality where people can actually live and thrive
00:24:38.080it's not like whites are doing remarkably well right now and the excuses i'm hearing for the
00:24:41.840low fertility rates is once we get this problem sorted and we do this dream of driving around
00:24:47.040with vans getting colored people out of here i'm going to start having kids after that that's
00:24:51.280obscene that is there must be whites working for their own good and not just hating and blaming
00:24:57.360everything else because that is the trap that has been leading everyone around and keeping everyone
00:25:01.380divided from the beginning instead of building yourself up to who you want to be in your
00:25:05.740community getting in touch with the church getting in touch with having five fucking kids per family
00:25:09.900just because and if you don't have enough money kids have a way of getting you to not spend as
00:25:14.120much on alcohol and drugs and getting lost in your obsessions of making batman uh more fucked up so
00:25:19.720you can still enjoy being an adolescent at the age of 35 we have a lot of work to do in the white
00:25:25.120community that doesn't involve pointing fingers at everyone else saying this fucking sucks you
00:25:29.440fucking suck and politics fucking sucks so i think you were touching on a number of things there
00:25:35.380trans i think at the end there i like to call this sort of dichotomy uh if you saw my recent
00:25:41.580remembrance day video i talk about self-respect and really loving your people and that's kind of
00:25:48.000where the strength comes from to assert yourself and to say like no we need to deport these people
00:25:52.620because i have respect for myself and my people uh whereas i think what trans was referring to
00:25:58.040there is that sometimes people it's not so much about self-respect and loving your own people
00:26:03.340it's actually about hating others and resenting others and i do think that is something like you
00:26:10.140know i think people should be able to express themselves and be and be and be hateful and be
00:26:14.080angry I think it's actually a very important thing however when people get possessed by their
00:26:19.220hatred and their resentment and it becomes all about that I think that can be a destructive
00:26:24.480and dangerous and unproductive thing because it's like I said it's not coming from that place of
00:26:29.360of wanting the best for your people it's coming from a sort of negative place but if you wanted
00:26:35.300to respond to that fairy and maybe respond to something else Tran said yeah I would first start
00:26:40.460by saying look the it's very easy to say hate is bad um but the reality is that hate is a
00:26:48.640a consequence of having the things which you love threatened without a deep hatred of that
00:26:56.360which threatens uh which we love um you know it's not really love is it
00:27:02.120that's what i would say to that if you don't hate that which threatens what you love
00:27:08.800you don't really love that thing um so this this is just you know the natural emotions but i'd like
00:27:15.160to come back to again civic nationalism um because this is a major talking point it's it's it's
00:27:21.820fundamentally like a paradoxical uh ideology um just right right off the bat with by definition
00:27:29.660it makes no sense uh nation is uh derived from the english word nation right old english word
00:27:37.520dates back to the 1500s it means race um it which is you know it's also rooted in the french word
00:27:44.560uh natia i think which is again it means race and it's rooted fundamentally in the latin word
00:27:52.920nationem which means race like this is what nationalism is the the entire development of
00:28:00.440modern political state what we refer to as the nation state is is essentially ethno-nationalism
00:28:07.440that's why serbians want their own state and swedes want their own state and germans want
00:28:12.200their own state etc etc on down the line nationalism is ethno-nationalism by definition
00:28:17.780the only reason that we refer to nationalism as ethno-nationalism or civic nationalism in
00:28:23.600modernity is because of the bastardization of things like civic nationalism which was coined
00:28:29.380in 1944 by the Jew Hans Cohen. So this is a relatively modern, you know, version of nationalism.
00:28:38.080And again, too, I wonder why, you know, that particular tribe would feel the need to dilute
00:28:44.960what nationalism means in a way that is more inclusive of them. You know, it's a very interesting
00:28:50.900take on nationalism, isn't it? And so again, this is only in the post-war era that this really kicks
00:28:57.620off um and and if we if we again history is important understanding where we come from is
00:29:03.340important um this this whole civic nationalist stuff even in the canadian context doesn't begin
00:29:10.540until the 1960s um and it doesn't even really begin in earnest until the 1990s or early 2000s
00:29:17.960and the demographic replacement doesn't really begin in earnest until you know 2010 like that's
00:29:25.080whenever it really got crazy and so when I was born in this country in 1989 it was 90 percent
00:29:31.180European at the end of the second world war it was 97 percent European the idea that like this
00:29:38.280whole we need to include other ethnic groups as part of the Canadian population is a modern thing
00:29:44.020and in fact it goes back to the people that I would suspect most of the listeners right now
00:29:49.340despise it's pierre elliott trudeau like that's where a lot of this stuff comes from this this
00:29:55.840modern version of canada as a multicultural state begins under well to an extent lester b
00:30:01.820pearson but really in earnest under underneath pierre elliott trudeau and so to say basically
00:30:07.420when you say like oh i want canadian to go back to the 90s what you're saying is you want to go
00:30:12.040back to the multiculturalism before it got too bad which is which is part of the problem here
00:30:16.920there's this kind of attitude that i see among canadians where they think of
00:30:20.680um you know the great replacement or demographic change as beginning under trudeau which is
00:30:26.400nonsense the only reason trudeau was able to crank it up to 11 is because his dad and lester
00:30:31.560b pearson cranked it up to three before 1960 the idea that we would take any immigration from
00:30:37.420non-european countries was ludicrous and if you don't believe me go back and look at what the
00:30:42.320leaders of this nation believed until lester b pearson to a lesser extent defen baker kind of
00:30:48.120yielded onto on it but i can i can give you quotes if you want and many of you have heard them
00:30:53.820sir john a mcdonald you know i i if if i might i want to read these because i feel like this is
00:30:59.840this is valid information that needs to be discussed more explicitly uh if you want we
00:31:07.220could we could i could say some stuff trans could say some stuff and you could find a tweet
00:31:10.960potentially that says this or would that take too long i have it oh you have it okay um
00:31:16.400do you have it now there's something i wanted to respond to there go for it if you want them first
00:31:22.360yeah so like you know this sounds like a pretty grand project and i think this is kind of part of
00:31:29.720the issue here where it's like well like you i irrespectfully i think ferryman you are a radical
00:31:36.200and your beliefs i think it's a good thing i like to have you around i think your point of view is
00:31:40.340is very very compelling and but you're essentially saying we need to make canada a white country and
00:31:49.740deport everyone who isn't white like is is that is that i was gonna say is that is that what you
00:31:57.980believe or is what do you like what is the sort of dream goal you have hold on hold on hold on
00:32:03.380what is your dream goal and also is there any other sort of replica or case study where this
00:32:09.680has happened in europe or something or other uh that could be used as a model that's actually
00:32:15.100realistic and accomplishing yeah so first of all look it's it's trans said this it's very hard to
00:32:23.020predict in the future how this would play out and yes i understand that this is something that would
00:32:26.660need to be done incrementally but it will never happen if we don't first identify what a canadian
00:32:32.960is and assert that this is what we want and on top of this I would add that I am Canadian first
00:32:40.340I am not Canada first Canada is a state okay it's a government that's that's what we're talking
00:32:47.300about I am about protecting and preserving the Canadian people I want us to keep our unique
00:32:53.120identity I don't want us to be diluted and turned into you know some kind of uh you know
00:32:58.720colorgy brown kind of soup okay i want us to to maintain our european character and i want us to
00:33:05.280exist if that requires the dissolution of the state of canada i'm okay with that because
00:33:11.120ultimately canada is a name canadian is a name we can be rebranded right we've done it before we we
00:33:17.840we were english we were scottish we were this and we became canadian and it's distinct it is unique
00:33:23.920so i'm not so concerned with preserving the state of canada which it seems to me is what the ppc
00:33:30.480is is largely concerned with is preventing the state of canada from falling into complete
00:33:35.760disrepair i'm okay with that that doesn't bother me at all as long as canadians discover their
00:33:41.360their tribal instincts and realize that they are unique people they do have a right to exist
00:33:46.640and they have just as much of a claim to a national identity as any other group of people
00:33:51.920And I'm tired of us pretending that we have to sell that identity to everybody else. So yes,
00:33:59.260is it complex? Is it something that would be messy? Of course it is. But even the PPC's own
00:34:06.060plan would be incredibly messy. I've read the PPC's immigration policy. What do you think
00:34:11.380deporting a million illegals looks like? That's roughly how many illegals there are in this
00:34:15.780country, 600,000 to 1 million. What do you think that looks like? Do you think that looks like
00:34:21.240sunshines and rainbows and chocolate cake no that's what you're talking about is loading women
00:34:27.560and children and their and obviously men onto planes and boats at gunpoint while they cry
00:34:34.000and beg you to stay that's what you're talking about and so whenever i i see people afraid of
00:34:40.060being called racist afraid of you know what is the media going to say or what is the optics of
00:34:45.240this how is this going to be perceived i don't believe you have the stomach to do what needs
00:34:49.480to be done because as we saw it it's very easy for the media to make people feel guilty and to
00:34:55.140make them feel empathy for immigrants we saw it with the syrian boy on the beaches of wherever
00:35:01.100it was turkey or greece we saw it you know recently at the border where you know they had
00:35:05.900children i think it was staged crawling through barbed wire at the southern border and we saw it
00:35:11.700in you know whatever it was 2016 or with the you know children in camps being separated from their
00:35:17.400parents you like if you truly believe that you're going to execute mass deportations you better get
00:35:23.580a tougher stomach if you think that i'm too extreme i don't think you have the guts to do
00:35:28.840what actually needs to be done to save this country the state or the people and if you don't
00:35:33.980that's fine get out of the way because there are people who do have the stomach for this fight
00:35:38.700okay can i go yeah sure okay well we're talking about a political party that's why i've had a
00:35:47.380problem with what you're saying you're you just admitted i'm a black pillar i don't want the state
00:35:51.480the state is politic we are a political party dude so you said i don't want the state to win
00:35:57.240or i don't want this society to keep going and if that means we all get stronger that's a black
00:36:01.720pill admitted that's fine that's what i've always said let me clarify no you can continue but let
00:36:06.440me clarify i said i don't care if the state of canada continues fine with it continuing if if
00:36:12.920it goes in the right direction but i'm also not like i'm not going to cry and lose sleep over the
00:36:17.880canadian government falling into disrepair and some kind of dissolution of confederation occurring
00:36:23.400where we have this balkanization process or this reordering of you know the canadian territory
00:36:28.760that doesn't really bother me so i'm not yeah i'm not you know going to lose sleep over the
00:36:34.200canadian state falling apart but it's not necessarily that i want it okay there's a big
00:36:38.920difference no okay hold on trans if you're going to use the term black pillar then can you define
00:36:44.380kind of more what that means giving up on political solutions there's no point all politicians are the
00:36:49.920same the establishment populace both conflated as being uh part of the same problem it's a heuristic
00:36:55.080used uh to make life simple and not have faith in any politician again which i you know sympathize
00:37:00.960with but i think populism is anti-politics and we're regularly demonized and we're regularly
00:37:05.800going against what the media establishes in the narrative. So we actually take a lot of arrows
00:37:10.400for things and we are not the pussies you think we are. And there is a legitimate justification
00:37:15.260for deporting illegals. There is no justification for a helter-skelter race war approach that is
00:37:21.680ill-defined and hasn't been thought out. So I think in every regard, if you're in control of
00:37:26.580the government with a populist government, you simply turn off the tap to welfare and most of
00:37:31.040the problem takes care of itself but if it does come down to the military in 2019 max was promising
00:37:36.520putting the military on the border to stop rocks and road to do all kinds of things and our military
00:37:41.320protecting its own borders would actually be a use of our military that has some pride in their
00:37:46.220own country and protecting borders which is the context of nationalism that we colloquially talk
00:37:51.100about these days is more our state first not the global un state where we hand our sovereignty over
00:37:56.780to unelected bureaucrats so that's when i use the term nationalist that's why we're demonized as
00:38:00.840nationalists in the media so i i really think that uh what else did you say you said something
00:38:05.680about you want to be i don't want it to be back in the 90s i want to go 50s i want people naming
00:38:10.060their kids weird shit like hap day and punch imlac and all kinds of crazy shit but we can't
00:38:15.300have that we've got to deal with the cards we're dealt and i don't think that you've defined a way
00:38:19.420to adjudicate who stays and who goes and in that vein it is politically non-existent the society
00:38:26.700that has gone strict ethno state in the realm of politics but then again you just admitted
00:38:31.500politics isn't your first priority so i think we can agree to disagree you can say that this is a
00:38:37.200dream for the future but we're working in the present with a political party so i don't i don't
00:38:41.180think it's fair of you to demand things in the patriot group where there's no rules and there's
00:38:47.200no names associated and use public political figures as your human shields to if i agree it's
00:38:53.860tough to get out in the streets and say mass deportations without a mask on but then again
00:38:57.960you're saying i'm not getting bored on your political party unless you publicly do that
00:39:01.220with your name behind it it's politics is downstream from culture and the culture in
00:39:05.680canada especially with white people is rock bottom we should rebuild a pride in ourselves
00:39:10.580we should be addressing the fact i'm with you on the fact of the cultural marxist that took over
00:39:15.700i'm with you on the fact that pierre trudeau unleashed hell on canada by opening up multiculturalism
00:39:21.120and using state-subsidized media to say multiculturalism is a good thing 20 times a day to brainwash everyone.
00:39:26.140I understand where that came from, too.
00:39:27.940I understand the Trilateral Commission's a big new Brzezinski saying that he's going to take liberal freedoms away from people
00:39:33.200by pitting groups against each other, the Frankfurt School defining us into all these little groups
00:39:38.700where all we care about is our little slice and we attack each other.
00:39:42.120We can unify in the short term under civic nationalism to at least provide an arena
00:39:47.520where we can have a culture that if you're not good at white culture that we built here you
00:39:52.900aren't going to thrive here and you're not getting a handout for being here all problems take care
00:39:57.780of themselves in that uh in that genre i'm not saying that it solves everything but you also
00:40:03.360don't have a plan so it's like we're dealing in the here and now with public figures and you're
00:40:08.220talking about the in the future once this and this happens and it's not political so i don't know what
00:40:14.340we're arguing anymore well so for like to say that we don't have a plan is incorrect we do have a
00:40:20.940plan it's organized white men that is the plan everything that needs to be accomplished has to
00:40:26.020be done through organized white men and until we figure out how to do that so i like to use this
00:40:31.360analogy you've got a problem here which is a broken engine and everybody's sitting around
00:40:36.120speculating about how you're going to fix the engine but you don't have the tools so you can
00:40:41.020talk like and this is the thing with the ppc you guys can talk all you want about what policies
00:40:45.740you're going to implement whenever you get power but you don't have power and you're not going to
00:40:49.980have power anytime soon and the fact is your biggest base the the the demographic with which
00:40:56.980the ppc can draw on more than any in this country is pissed off white men that is your number one
00:41:03.840demographic and you may not like it but a huge chunk of those men are what most people call
00:41:09.660racist and there's more of them every day canadians become more racially conscious by the minute
00:41:16.040it's literally it's it absolutely correlates with the number of indians and foreigners they flood
00:41:21.480into this country the more they pump them in the more aggressive and racist canadians are going to
00:41:25.900become and you have expressly said that you don't want the support of racists you don't want the
00:41:31.520support of those people you you've basically told one of your target demographics probably your
00:41:36.520biggest target demographic to go fuck themselves that is a terrible political strategy if you
00:41:42.060intend on taking power me i'm different i'm saying if you're a pissed off white man come join us
00:41:47.540let's tribe up let's organize let's start putting pressure on these these fucking politicians on
00:41:53.400these lobby groups on all these things and that's exactly what we did which is why you and i are
00:41:57.680having this conversation right now because we put pressure on the ppc and said we don't like this
00:42:03.500and you said oh man that's not good like and now you're scrambling to try and put out fires
00:42:09.600that's exactly what needs to happen when when when a politician engages in this kind of behavior
00:42:15.680that's unwanted that's exactly what we need to do is throw our weight around as an ethnic
00:42:20.240collective which every other group in this country does and until white people figure out that you
00:42:27.540you not using identity politics not tapping into racial collectivism is like trying to fight
00:42:33.620goliath with a pool noodle you're you're saying and and then and then acting like you're virtuous
00:42:39.840for not using a sword okay so i want to bring i can respond to that i want to say something
00:42:48.200really quickly which is my stance because you guys have kind of both given your stance my
00:42:53.700my stance is kind of in between that which is i think trump tapped into the you know white ethnic
00:43:01.220vote in 2016 and he did this tactfully he did this with smart messaging he didn't overtly say
00:43:07.180that he was like you know trying to save the white race or anything like this he had you know he was
00:43:12.100very strategic in dog whistling to white americans in 2016 and that's a huge reason why he won i
00:43:17.720think so i think that that solution is somewhere in the middle where you know this this more
00:43:23.060radical faction that is very racially conscious can exist and still support the ppc and the ppc
00:43:30.480can still dog whistle to this group and it's like you know everybody wins because the ppc gets to be
00:43:37.500a more public professional facing group that represents the ideas of the more radical faction
00:43:42.840you know without counter signaling but that's kind of where where i land in the middle there
00:43:47.520but uh trans you can hop in here i do kind of want to bring the conversation back closer to
00:43:53.120reality here in terms of like what we should do now until the next upcoming election to uh and
00:44:00.840you know some people might say oh there is no you know fuck elections but no this is a big
00:44:06.040opportunity to make our ideas more popular and i think we can all agree that that's a pretty good
00:44:10.720goal regardless of where you stand or what kind of flag uh that you're waving right now if you're
00:44:16.380listening to this space anyway but but trans feel free to hop in and yeah i mean there's aspects of
00:44:23.600what ferryman does that i am a fan of the fact that you're getting together you're getting uh
00:44:27.780white men to get off booze and go to the gym and start boxing that's healthy stuff but marshalling
00:44:33.640hatred is a very unstable thing to do and it's actually there's a long litany of the tyrant
00:44:39.220himself pretending to be ppc whether through the warren kinsella project cactus what they are saying
00:44:45.340and what they infiltrate our groups to tell us to do is not exactly what I want them to do.
00:44:50.320That's not me being a pussy, but walking around saying shit skin, jeet's got to go
00:44:54.100is not something that flies very well in the political arena.
00:44:57.080Now, maybe you will generate enough hatred in the white demographic to make that a political needle mover,
00:45:03.260but I think that's absolute political kryptonite.
00:45:05.740That is exactly what Trudeau wants to insert into PPC so Jagmeet can once again say,
00:45:10.700why are we allowing Max Bernier, the hateful bigot, on the stage tonight?
00:45:14.920He did that in 2019 just based on Project Cactus' fake racist jacketing us.
00:45:20.980It's not that I think you're racist, it's that the general public at large has been programmed to accept only enough reality in their lives where white people are not allowed to represent themselves.
00:45:30.620I am a fan of white people representing themselves, but representing yourself to define yourself by you hate everyone else and mud skin jeep, like that type of talk is hate energy.
00:45:41.060What the talk should be is we're going back to church. We're having lots of kids. We're getting together for a barbecue with our many children that we're having.
00:45:47.540Those are positive aspects of building up white identitarianism. But being used as a cudgel, there's no precedent of it.
00:45:54.320So it's not like you're walking around like a limp, wet noodle. It's there's a precedent of this happening across the world.
00:45:59.660But in Canada, there's a very strong force at work of state-subsidized media with $700 million going to CTV and Global News and City News and then $1.5 billion going to CBC and people being illuminated.
00:46:12.920Everyone wants to believe that they know what's going on and they want to spend the least amount of time in their day knowing what's going on.
00:46:19.800Oh, I don't watch it for the news, it's just for the weather, but you stay for the social programming.
00:46:23.380So while that Overton window is in a place where people are only accepting of so much reality at the moment, taking on these positions and betting on the fact that you're asking for a conundrum.
00:46:34.320OK, PPC goes full on board with white identitarianism. So we'll lose the vote, but we'll gain your demographic.
00:46:39.640But you're saying the demographic is growing so much that you should want us in your camp.
00:46:43.920we want stable we're not in competition with diagonal we're not it shouldn't be a throw ppc
00:46:50.660into the hate fest every night about we move the needle they don't you have no rules you don't need
00:46:55.320to be nice or put your name behind stuff you can be sort of diagonal online and say whatever you
00:47:01.200want but people that are running for public office are public figures so you're conflating two areas
00:47:07.180and bragging about how well you do in your lane but that's fine your lane is also what they're
00:47:12.520saying they want they have created an appetite for the enemy is ideologically motivated extremism
00:47:18.120coming from uh white nationalist men and going right into where they're foreshadowing they want
00:47:24.900us to go and where their agents try and make tough talk the thing to gain the coots for to tell me
00:47:30.140what you want to do to the rcmp and i don't even think they said anything but they'll make it up
00:47:34.520that's how desperate they are for us to be uncontrolled with our language so i like to live
00:47:39.120in a place where i don't need to form a secret group you're in the inner circle in the ivory
00:47:43.260tower and only you will know my future plans for the white man i like being open about things and
00:47:48.840saying i don't fucking care i want to have a culture that's based on white european culture
00:47:53.460that built this place that we're very proud of and if you don't succeed in it you're fucking
00:47:56.720going home and unfortunately civ nat is the best home for that to achieve anyone's goals and going
00:48:03.080ethnocentric is no recent precedent of that working anywhere we're in a psyop state nine
00:48:09.860out of fucking ten canadians injected tide pods into their arm and we're asking them to you know
00:48:15.060build a time machine it's not going to work well i think if it doesn't work then we fundamentally
00:48:23.100fail so the the reality is unless we can get canadians to start taking a more ethnocentric
00:48:28.980approach to politics they will inevitably die out as a unique people so while like again you
00:48:35.760say I'm black billed like I've taken on the most you know massive and insurmountable tasks that I
00:48:41.900can which is getting Canadians to think racially and to be honest I think we've done a pretty good
00:48:47.180job of it over the past two years whether you want to call it diagonal on or certain influencers
00:48:51.120and it's not just diagonal on this is another thing again like not I like this isn't a personal
00:48:56.080attack but you you constantly do this you reduce the nationalist movement in canada down to
00:49:01.160diagonal on the reality is a sizable portion of the ppc are ethno-nationalist or at least
00:49:06.300ethno-nationalist leaning they've found what they perceive to be the only home that there is for
00:49:11.700their kind of politics and and you you constantly you know turn your nose up at them so like this
00:49:17.740is again it's a problem it's not just diagonal on man this is a growing movement it for example
00:49:21.920the mass deportations rally that happened in Hamilton last weekend that wasn't us that was
00:49:27.440not us that was a completely unrelated group so to reduce it down to just this is diagonal no this
00:49:34.640is a sentiment that is growing among Canadians and it's a good thing it's a good thing that
00:49:39.440Canadians are starting to think racially and understand that they are and then on top of this
00:49:43.620too I don't understand like again it's weird because sometimes I think the PPC understands
00:49:49.060that you know the the real uh essentials of what is being done to canadians and and the wider
00:49:55.100european world and then other times it's like they completely you know are delusional about it
00:50:00.340so for i'll give you an example of this maxime bernier uh not quite maybe a couple weeks ago
00:50:06.720i'm not sure uh not too long ago anyways he had a tweet that said it's not a great replacement
00:50:12.900theory it's a great replacement fact something along those lines now when i saw that i was like
00:50:18.740holy shit that's awesome from max like way to go like finally a politician said it and the reason
00:50:24.460i thought that is because the great replacement theory isn't it's not a theory obviously it's a
00:50:30.200fact but it's an explicitly racial uh concept that's it's what it is it is a racial concept
00:50:38.200it is the the theory that white people are being systematically targeted in all of their respective
00:50:43.920countries for replacement and maxime bernier dog whistled to it so i was like oh he he gets it like
00:50:49.980this is an attack on white people now typically the way conservatives uh of the more normie variety
00:50:56.020and to a lesser extent ppc typically the way that they frame the immigration argument is in terms of
00:51:02.180economics or in terms of culture now the the problem with this is that basically uh if you
00:51:09.640make the economic argument against immigration and obviously there is one and obviously it's true
00:51:14.680okay obviously it's bad for housing it's bad for wages it's bad for um you know infrastructure
00:51:21.120health care all of these things it's it's an incredible burden like we we've put ourselves
00:51:25.580in a population trap with the level of immigration we have so obviously there's an economic problem
00:51:30.420to it but fundamentally the major problem with it is that it's a bioweapon we are being
00:51:36.180systematically replaced in our own country by foreigners and it's destroying our nation and i
00:51:42.520mean the people that's what it's ultimately destroying is us as a distinct people and the
00:51:48.060problem with this is that economic problems like they can go away so if if right now there was no
00:51:54.280economic problem with immigration and there was tons of housing and you know you could get a doctor
00:51:59.220in five minutes and you know you could get a high paying job very easily because jobs were in such
00:52:05.440a high demand and all this stuff does that mean it's then okay to import more and more people and
00:52:11.700replace canadians and turn us into some kind of cosmopolitan you know futuristic multicultural
00:52:18.340multiracial society like basically the star wars cantina does that mean it's okay as long as
00:52:24.620everybody's making money and my answer to that is no i would much rather endure a great depression
00:52:30.680than the great replacement. I would much rather live in a poor country with my own kin and ethnic
00:52:36.580folk than live in a rich country like Singapore that is a multicultural authoritarian state.
00:52:43.020I don't care about the money. I don't care about preserving a specific kind of Canadian value.
00:52:49.460I care about preserving the Canadian people. Now, the last thing I want to get into here is the
00:52:56.440the civic nationalist argument it is is fundamentally a ridiculous argument and i'm
00:53:02.340going to lay it out as quickly as i can here the the main reason for this is because okay so when
00:53:08.360you talk about civic nationalism there's typically three factors that people bring up that you know
00:53:13.420are part of civic nationalism or that make you part of the nation the first is birth so if you
00:53:20.060were born there that makes you a thing the second is um citizenship so if you possess a certain
00:53:27.660piece of paper now you're part of the nation and the third is values of some kind so let's i want
00:53:34.220to dissect these because it's important the first is birth that's obviously ludicrous you even the
00:53:40.000ppc's own platform denies this there's a reason why ending birthright tourism is in the platform
00:53:46.080because we all know instinctively that the idea that you can just be born somewhere and that makes
00:53:51.040you a thing is ludicrous a horse a dog born in a stable is not a horse obviously right so we
00:53:57.640understand this moreover we know uh that um you know we i just gave you the example not too long
00:54:03.780ago of the first nations i was born on algonquin territory am i algonquin no obviously not so like
00:54:09.920we understand that birth is not what makes you part of a nation. It is blood, right? It's birth
00:54:16.460in terms of blood, not birth in terms of location. The second is the citizenship argument. Now, we
00:54:22.900all know that this is also ridiculous. The idea that if you get a piece of paper, somehow you are
00:54:29.000now transubstantiated into something that you previously weren't is at face value ludicrous.
00:54:35.640and we all agree with this there's so many people in here right now even if you disagree with me in
00:54:40.720terms of the racial aspect you all would admit that a bunch of these people who have obtained
00:54:45.200citizenship in canada particularly under the trudeau era are not canadian they have a piece
00:54:50.660of paper that says they are but that does not make them canadian they're they're paper canadians
00:54:55.900at best right and we all understand this to be true um the the other uh aspect of that obviously
00:55:03.820is that um like like i could just put it this way to use a good analogy is a does a man become a
00:55:11.060woman because he got a driver's license that says he's a woman if if if a woman puts on or sorry if
00:55:18.840a man puts on a dress and he you know engages in what are considered you know uh female things
00:55:25.180and he uses the woman's washroom and the woman's change room and he gets a driver's license that
00:55:29.960says he's a woman. Is he a woman? Obviously not. Nobody accepts this argument, at least in this
00:55:35.800sphere, in this kind of, you know, the people listening right now, nobody would accept that
00:55:40.560argument as being valid. And the same applies for citizenship. Just because you have a piece
00:55:44.980of paper that says you're something does not mean you're that thing. The last is values. And this is
00:55:50.100the one that you'll see come up the most when people argue for civic nationalism, is that
00:55:54.720somehow people who subscribe to a certain set of values, that somehow makes them, you know,
00:56:01.160American or Canadian or British or something like that. Now, obviously, this, again, is ludicrous.
00:56:07.920Canadians have a completely different set of values, you know, across the board. Would you
00:56:13.980argue that a liberal who has, you know, incredibly divergent values to say a PPC member is not a
00:56:21.900canadian just because like you know they could be uh a 10th generation you know tessier from quebec
00:56:29.980they're not a canadian because they're what a liberal because they have because they have blue
00:56:34.740hair yeah yeah so like this this argument is is ridiculous as well and moreover um you know
00:56:42.100values change with time so to say that you know values are what make you a certain thing is is
00:56:48.980obviously insane. You wouldn't say that, you know, an Englishman born in 1500s England is less
00:56:56.060English than an Englishman born today because their values are completely different. That's
00:57:00.760obviously nonsense. And if that's true, the Canadian values of today would insinuate that
00:57:07.820people like Sir John A. MacDonald, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, William Lyon, Mackenzie King are somehow
00:57:12.760not Canadian because their values absolutely do not align with the majority of Canadians' values
00:57:18.560today so is that the argument that's being made that like and what it really boils down to is
00:57:23.600this everybody who argues that a certain set of values are what make you canadian basically
00:57:30.080defines those values as whatever their own values are so if you talk to a liberal about what makes
00:57:35.680a canadian a canadian you'll get things like inclusion acceptance you know diversity like
00:57:42.160these types of things if you talk to a pp seer you'll get completely different definitions and
00:57:46.800And that is the point. It's subjective. So this idea that civic nationalism is some kind of,
00:57:52.240you know, golden ticket out of here or the best vehicle out of here is just fundamentally wrong
00:57:57.400because it implies that everybody who wants to be Canadian is Canadian. All they have to do is say
00:58:04.740that they subscribe to whatever set of values you say they have to subscribe to. And now all of a
00:58:09.800sudden they're Canadian. And what is the difference between that and Trudeau saying a Canadian is a
00:58:14.880canadian is a canadian there's no difference fundamentally the only difference is what you
00:58:20.760determine the values to be so this this whole argument of civic nationalism i reject fundamentally
00:58:27.620it's a ludicrous ideology that is basically you know just a way of of saying you're not racist
00:58:33.920and fundamentally it's rooted in cultural marxism that's fundamentally what it's rooted in
00:58:39.640that's who popularized the term it's cultural marxism so i i fundamentally reject it and
00:58:47.280anybody's claiming that civic nationalism is the way out of this i i just think they don't
00:58:51.720fundamentally understand what they're talking about okay um greg do you want to go i can go
00:58:57.940oh yeah i was just gonna say uh i'd love to hear your response to that trans like the broad
00:59:02.300question i guess is like what do you think is the utility of civic nationalism um and
00:59:09.240assuming you are a civic nationalist and you think that's the best path forward for the ppc
00:59:14.200yeah it's the medium forward for ppc it's not something i'm proud to be it's simply the best
00:59:19.000way possible there are many canadians who are not white that do share our values there are
00:59:23.720things that unite us that we can use against the id politics war that is designed to divide us no
00:59:29.400matter where it came from i mean ancient rome was issuing citizenship to spaniards and non-roman
00:59:34.680born and that's been happening a lot longer than you know i don't mean to interject that's such
00:59:41.240a terrible example because that is exactly what led to the fall of the roman empire
00:59:47.240i'm talking like 300 bc if you fought in the roman military you could be it was like 400
00:59:52.600years before the fall so yeah again including including foreigners in the 400 years okay dude
00:59:59.640hang on including foreigners in the roman military is one of the key factors that was uh that was in
01:00:06.600late stage yeah in late stage when the visigoths and the barbarians were being invited in i get
01:00:11.320that but i'm not talking about that i'm just saying that it didn't start citizenship to uh
01:00:17.080immigrants did not begin with cultural marxism civnet as a term is what we're using because
01:00:23.160that's what's been popularized but it's not some deep philosophical avenue that guides my
01:00:29.000my principles in in politics it's simply something that has a very recent history
01:00:33.640of working around planet earth so it has that going for it that's a pretty big thing it's got
01:00:38.040going for it you also said like there's a problem with birthright dude we want a moratorium on
01:00:42.840immigration we want to stop the flow we want to establish a conversation exactly along the lines
01:00:48.680that you're saying there's so much that you agree with and you like downplay it as like yeah even
01:00:54.680max says this but it's a dog whistle so like you downplay the things that you totally agree with
01:00:59.240this on and this is a genuine thing that i see from a lot of people that are looking for an
01:01:03.360excuse not to get on board with any until it's perfect i'm not on board unfortunately you will
01:01:07.540never get everything you want in politics and if you have a volatile support that uses your
01:01:13.500massive influence because you are really good at communicating for him and you are really
01:01:17.660when you're talking people are listening and i'm listening there's a lot of shit you say that i
01:01:22.060find utterly fascinating um but you're saying to your whole base because of a photograph that it's
01:01:28.960over nope get out guys come join this poll tell them it's over fucking help me it's over it's over
01:01:33.380it's over you're using everything that you've accrued in your influence to tell everyone that
01:01:37.500it's over and i don't find that to be a stable base of support and i have for a long time been
01:01:42.160really nice i love coming into diagonal lies i love chilling with you derek and jeremy and
01:01:46.140everyone thinks i'm cringy that's fine i don't care politics is a separate vein for me and it
01:01:51.160used to be okay for dags to be fine with pbc i'm fine with this it started getting very ideologically
01:01:56.800uniform in there it to the point where i'm like guys i don't really want the support if it's going
01:02:02.020to be this bipolar and if you use the analogy that we're just helping you we're just keeping
01:02:06.100the overton window you're not going to help kina turner sing better if you keep smacking her ike
01:02:10.460you need to be at least a little positive and put aside and get into your category where you are a
01:02:15.800patriot group you are capable of doing and saying a lot of things anonymously that are not
01:02:20.620feasible in the public political realm so i just i just don't get it seems like we line up
01:02:26.120more than you could ever hope for to have a political party in canada but it almost feels
01:02:31.160like we're slowing down an accelerationist dream that you're having of like i'd rather see it all
01:02:35.520fall and we get strong than have you guys slow it down with the false promise that they're going
01:02:39.640to assimilate and i'm telling you we're not trying to get people to assimilate we're trying to put
01:02:45.020back in the monoculture that was created by white europeans and say everyone's on an even playing
01:02:49.920field we're not using the marxist you get a cookie for where you are on the privilege scale if you're
01:02:54.480a transgender indigenous bipoc lesbian with three amputated limbs you get to the front of the line
01:02:59.720there's no fucking such thing as that in a ppc world so we're just trying to establish an arena
01:03:04.860from which we can have a culture actually exist and there's so much work to be done in the realms
01:03:10.720of fertility and birth rates so we don't need to go there's so much work to be done to get kids not
01:03:15.440to self-diagnose and get on drugs and get on hormone blockers so they can't even be counted
01:03:19.460on to do a job at Tim Hortons. And we get that excuse out of the door. If PPC comes in and Max
01:03:24.940Bernier ends the illegals coming in, we're talking about 5 million people. We're talking about 4.9
01:03:29.780million people on expired visas, on the temporary workers. Every one of them will be gone as soon
01:03:36.360as it expires. And we're not going to be renewing it. There is a way out. There is hope. But what
01:03:41.080PPC is up against is the weak and the over strong fallacy. It's like, if you're weak enough, go with
01:03:46.760Pierre go with what you know but unfortunately our main enemy right now there are different
01:03:50.620hurdles in society and to get over the next hurdle that's agenda 2030 digital id everything will be
01:03:55.640monitored all of your speech will be monitored don't give them an excuse right now by walking
01:04:00.140into every trap don't do exactly what their undercover agents are encouraging everyone to do
01:04:04.120and just gather peacefully build what you love we should have learned all this from when we were at
01:04:08.280the convoy where we existed there peacefully and we built stuff we didn't go blaming everyone and
01:04:14.780we didn't go saying i hate this i hate this i hate this it's a very easy energy to run on but
01:04:19.240it's utterly unstable and it will always boomerang on you and there will always be saboteurs just
01:04:23.820waiting and just sitting in your chat waiting for you to go too far to make you politically toxic
01:04:28.700that's their goal and you're saying i got all the strong guys over here we're not fucking getting
01:04:32.580on board with you guys that's fine but that is part of their plan it's to use the strong ones
01:04:37.100to black pill and say there's no hope and to use the weak ones and say take the easiest path this
01:04:41.380is pierre poly of also an agenda 2030 compliant politician that we have for you okay guys uh
01:04:47.980greg would you like to get another voice in here we said that we would get ricardo in so
01:04:52.820is ricardo here yeah he's here and he's requested so um i just i gotta yeah yeah yeah ferryman
01:04:59.520response to that we'll bring ricardo in the conversation yeah i'm gonna invite so so first
01:05:03.860of all i i can't help it the autist in me just can't let this go the example of using the roman
01:05:09.320military of like you know civnat is just so strange to me because you know it you said the
01:05:14.360it led to the like you know in the end it led to the fall no man uh there's tons of examples at the
01:05:20.040height of the roman empire of how you know letting foreign populations into your military or into
01:05:24.880your nation and giving them power was a terrible idea and the best most well-known example of this
01:05:30.000is the battle of tutoburg forest where armenius who was a member of the roman military took what
01:05:35.460he learned and then used it to slaughter three fucking legions so like the idea that like this
01:05:41.420like this is a terrible historical argument to make that you just that you just proposed
01:05:46.040like it wasn't sulla sulla was one of the greatest leaders and he handed back power after he purged
01:05:51.920rome from all the corruption he was also a spaniard so you could make the argument if you
01:05:55.620cherry pick the right example that that preserved the roman empire and he was a spanish citizen who
01:06:00.500had roman citizenship and ended up leading rome so i i don't know you could do the tit for tat
01:06:04.860but you're asking me to defend something i'm not even passionate about civ nat is a proven medium
01:06:10.140to achieve political power at the moment unfortunately let that go and also again
01:06:14.800solid terrible example so basically a tyrant dictator who murdered half of the patrician
01:06:20.780class is somehow an example of a good roman like what a ridiculous argument to make although if
01:06:26.420you're not passionate about it i get it it's just it's a strange argument to make no i am passionate
01:06:31.100about it and he handed the power right back to rome as soon as he took over and then he left half
01:06:35.380of the roman aristocrats like who were destroying rome in the background and he put up conscription
01:06:40.460lists he also came back once and the first time didn't do anything and let everyone go and it was
01:06:44.760only the second time he came back that the conscription was actually led to death and he
01:06:48.400spared julius caesar and julius caesar ended up doing the same thing and never giving power back
01:06:53.620which led to the fall of rome a roman citizen literate the memory of the greatest roman that
01:06:58.540had existed up to that point gaius marius like what it's such a strange art anyways it's not
01:07:04.240really important no it's a it's a cherry-picked example exactly the same as you're using that
01:07:08.440you could make in the opposite direction which is why anecdotes are the least valuable form of
01:07:12.880evidence on this okay hold on hold on that's enough about roman history for right now okay
01:07:17.420yeah no let's let's bring it back to canada and this debate about what's up well i did want to
01:07:23.700address what he actually said in relation to canada please um so you know for example regarding
01:07:31.320the ppc and us being hard on them i've already said like yeah of course i'm going to call them
01:07:36.320out whenever i don't like things because i want the party to move in my direction and of course
01:07:40.340i'm going to use what whatever political influence i have to try and shape the narrative in canada
01:07:45.520and push politicians to do things and you know what there's perfect examples of us doing this
01:07:49.940to max and i think one happened tonight and i'm not going to use it in this particular argument
01:07:54.780but if you go look at you know the the gofundme that max put out today um and then go look at
01:08:00.460you know what jeremy mckenzie put out earlier today i think we've shown that actually we can
01:08:04.740influence the ppc and we do influence the ppc um so yeah we're a joke group we're a meme group
01:08:11.020obviously we're a collective of live streamers and stuff like that but you know we've discovered
01:08:15.600that actually we do have the ability to throw political weight around and we're going to
01:08:18.980we're going to and you know what not only are we going to we're going to start doing it in a much
01:08:22.500more organized way and we are going to become a legitimate group and so you know this is coming
01:08:27.820i don't have to say that much about it but we we are going to be a legitimate political entity in
01:08:33.060this country and you can love us or you can hate us we don't give a shit we're here to advocate
01:08:36.840for canadians not for the state of canada for canadians that's what we're here to do so you
01:08:42.820know that's all i've asked for like three years so that's that's what we're doing and and if the
01:08:47.780if we don't like what the ppc is doing you're going to hear from us and absolutely but i just
01:08:52.960don't like the larp of pretending that you love us well all you do is deride us so yes i prefer
01:08:57.720you start your own political party and deride us rather than saying you need us we're on board
01:09:02.720But meanwhile, we have things that should be worth, in an audit of PPC, ending immigration, a moratorium on immigration should be worth 5,000 points, and you'll give it 50.
01:09:12.760And a photo with a sliver of Hindus who are wearing, please let us stay, wear Canadian shirts, should be minus 100 points, and you treat it as minus 100,000 points.
01:09:21.420That is volatile support that borders on saboteur-like support.
01:09:25.440so it's not you can't ask to be the most valuable person and the most passionate hector of ppc that's
01:09:32.300all i'm saying so so this is i guess my final point here which is honestly uh you know i know
01:09:38.160jeremy has been uh completely against the ppc for some time i that's actually the point that
01:09:44.360jeremy and i diverge on the most or at least it was um i actually have been kind of like coming
01:09:51.940around to the the ppc specifically because they introduce things like we want mass deportations
01:09:57.640we want a moratorium on immigration like these are things that did not exist in the party two
01:10:02.240years ago or even a year ago you were anti-immigration but you weren't calling for a
01:10:06.100moratorium you weren't calling for mass deportations these are new things that come i think in august
01:10:11.020isn't that whenever that was added to the the platform it was sometime in the summer anyways
01:10:15.200it was recently yeah the landscapes changed drastically and we're changing with it for sure
01:10:20.560absolutely all right that's good and wait i i understand this but but the point i'm trying to
01:10:25.340make here is that we were calling for these things before we were the ones trying to shift the
01:10:30.340overton window on this before three years ago we were the ones clamoring for mass deportations
01:10:35.960lee stewie right for those who are familiar with her has been calling for the ppc to put a
01:10:41.980moratorium on immigration as part of their policy for for more than four years i'm pretty sure
01:10:47.280so you know you can ask her directly but that was one of her biggest contentions with the ppc and
01:10:53.180then you guys added so to say that like we can't influence the ppc i think is is nonce i think we
01:10:58.500are influencing the ppc whether you want to admit it or not and it's not just diagonal on as i said
01:11:03.640earlier it's nationalist you know ethno-nationalist this kind of fringe right uh sphere that is
01:11:09.480growing rapidly in this country and across the european world that caused this shift in the ppc
01:11:15.280maybe you can say that it was the shifting landscape that called it i guess yeah you you
01:11:20.460want to take credit for that but it honestly is the world is in utter chaos and ppc has been right
01:11:25.580more right about that than any other populist party on earth and if you want to say that's
01:11:30.040because you guys were saying it that is a drastic over representation like you're the internet man
01:11:34.980it's not just canada there are candidates who had a hundred followers who got 10 of the vote in
01:11:40.100alberta and there's viva fry who has a massive following and should be lights out hitting it out
01:11:45.820but he lives in an area where no one's awake so it's it's the the importance of of your pull on
01:11:51.740ppc i'm not trying to denigrate it it's big diagonal is a very good big group i find it
01:11:57.680tragic that i used to be able to hang out and say there's like 40 percent like this and everyone's
01:12:01.900allowed to like what they like and then edict started falling saying get back to your bunkers
01:12:05.660no one talk you're not a friend of mine if you're a friend of theirs and i'm like okay that's
01:12:09.200unfortunate but you you i want you guys to start a political party that's all that's all i wanted
01:12:14.120i have to say like this is the one thing and this is a fair criticism of diagonal which is that it's
01:12:18.900not universe it's like it's not a you know a completely uh it's a collection of ideologies
01:12:25.780mostly nationalistic minded mostly you know what would be considered far right or um you know
01:12:32.100ultra national stuff like that obviously yes but again jeremy and i actually disagreed on this
01:12:38.020approach and i defended max whenever there was a scandal about florida and the house like i don't
01:12:42.840see a problem with a boomer buying a a fucking vacation property in florida like that's to me
01:12:48.980this is what boomers do so like i didn't really it's not a really valid criticism of the ppc in
01:12:54.160my mind so like i i've said that max has been good rhetorically on immigration i liked that he was
01:13:00.420getting more aggressive like the fact that he would post a photo of a an indian taking a dump
01:13:05.280by a river and just be like this is the state of canada now like that's a good change and then
01:13:10.660it's again it's not so much like this is the problem that always happens when you issue a
01:13:15.980criticism of the ppc all of you come out and say fuck you we don't want your support that's a huge
01:13:22.200problem you guys keep pushing away your best bait and you can say that you know well you guys are
01:13:27.300overly critical and i think that's the caricature i think that i think i ignore 99 of you shitting
01:13:33.320on ppc and then when i see one egregious example of an innocent photo of michael bader being michael
01:13:39.480bader and max backing him up the same way he'd back up the opposite end of the spectrum of
01:13:43.720someone saying islam's evil in nova scotia uh it's just max backing someone up and it was treated
01:13:48.640like the end times so that's why okay let me let me interject here let me interject here let me
01:13:54.940interject here because to be fair i think both of you are kind of mischaracterizing the other group
01:13:59.340a little much and the fact is we're on twitter it's toxic it is an echo chamber and a lot of
01:14:05.480diagonal people say everyone agrees with me and a lot of ppc people says everyone agrees with me
01:14:09.240and all the other side is so bad in reality it's a bunch of anon accounts or just like little
01:14:13.520accounts making little nitpick arguments uh so let's not kind of get lost in the weeds there
01:14:18.360um but but this and this is something that trans said explicitly and it's something that was
01:14:23.160that was reiterated over and over in the wake of this which was well you guys are racist and we
01:14:29.020don't want your support and so that was the moment for me when i started seeing that come out of of
01:14:34.380you know ppc candidates by the way not just um you know random accounts but actual ppc candidates
01:14:40.400saying that's you guys are racist we don't want your support well that's the that's the line for
01:14:45.040me then isn't it you've basically said you don't want my support so why would i give you my support
01:14:49.540and why would i i have never once advocated for people to not vote ppc i've changed my mind about
01:14:56.780voting for them or not voting for them or whether or not i would waste my time voting for them
01:15:00.860because really it's just a moral support thing it's basically a protest vote and saying like i
01:15:06.060agree kind of sort of with them at this point so you know i was at the point where i was probably
01:15:10.860going to do that just because like why not and then you say you don't want my support well if
01:15:16.220that's how it is if if you don't want racist support if you think that we're too extreme if
01:15:21.420If you don't want us to vote for you, then we won't.
01:15:25.180And I'll tell my entire following not to vote for you.
01:15:41.300Yeah, I want to go. I want to get back into like political strategy later on and like the best best path forward for for people who think like us who want to reverse the radical demographic change, stop mass immigration and start deportations.
01:15:57.960but i want to go back to the question of what is a canadian uh we have dr ricardo duchene here
01:16:04.580in the space he's a puerto rican born canadian historical socialist was a professor at university
01:16:09.720of new brunswick st john's campus and uh i'm sure you're a mr ricardo you're gonna have some
01:16:15.500i would love to hear your how you would answer that question uh what is a canadian and then also
01:16:22.760maybe on this project of of wanting to start deportations in canada and where do you think
01:16:30.200canada is going to find the strength to uh to stand up for itself sir thanks for joining the
01:16:34.860space by the way okay hi everyone um so the way i would answer that question as to what is a
01:16:43.900canadian is that i would make a distinction between civic nationalism and cultural nationalism
01:16:51.940Right now, I mean, whether you're a proof of it or not, the reality is that in Canada as expressed through the legal system, through every institution, every school, a person who comes from another country or another nation who gets citizenship becomes a Canadian.
01:17:15.960So you may say that person is not a Canadian because they're Chinese or because they're Indian.
01:17:21.900But in reality, as a matter of politics, as a matter of the institutional reality in Canada, the law and everything, they are a Canadian.
01:17:32.380Another thing is that you have to make a distinction.
01:17:34.780Like I see here, people continuously debating between civic and Aztec nationalism, I guess.
01:17:40.600but so what is the distinction between the liberal party's conception of what constitutes
01:17:47.520a Canadian and the PPC conception? In my view the PPC has a civic conception of nationalism
01:17:55.360but that's not the case with the liberal party as Justin Trudeau has very very early on when he
01:18:03.060got elected he said that Canada is a post-nation so in other words he was sort of saying that
01:18:09.680you don't really have to endorse the liberal traditions of Canada, meaning you don't have to
01:18:18.380think of yourself as a person with a Western identity. You can bring your own culture,
01:18:24.400your own customs, because Canada is open to the world. It's a multicultural nation.
01:18:30.060So there is a sense in which he's not even a civic nationalist, whereas the PPC is trying
01:18:35.620to go back to an earlier version, which you might say Pierre Trudeau adhered to, which is that
01:18:41.280to be a Canadian, you have to adhere or assimilate to liberal values. And that means what the
01:18:50.820definition of civic nationalism is, which is that you believe in separation of church and state,
01:18:55.880you believe in freedom of speech, you believe that Canada is a Western nation, you believe that
01:19:02.300men and women have the same rights and that everyone has equal rights. And that's instituted
01:19:09.500in Canada. So you may say, okay, well, that Chinese that I see in Vancouver, the millions of them that
01:19:16.180I see in Vancouver are not Canadian because they don't have the race that I think is a precondition
01:19:24.060to be a Canadian. Well, fine, you can say that if you follow a racial or ethnic definition of
01:19:30.360nationalism. But right now in Canada, through every institution, you could either be a post-nationalist
01:19:40.200or you could be a civic nationalist, which is what the PPC says. And in a way, this definition of
01:19:46.440civic nationalism is well instituted throughout Canada in the legal system and everywhere.
01:19:53.980Then I would add that if you want to counter this perspective, one shouldn't jump
01:20:01.420towards a racial or ethnic conception of nationalism, but one should embrace a cultural
01:20:08.620conception of nationalism. So to me, it is important to make a distinction between civic
01:20:15.100and cultural nationalism before you jump into a racial conception of nationalism.
01:20:21.020so if you do a little bit of research you just add ai artificial intelligence or croc
01:20:29.260what is the difference between civic and cultural nationalism actually they're going to give you a
01:20:33.820good uh answer for that so if people want to debate that we can address that question
01:20:39.420and what do you think the uh the the difference is between civic civic nationalism and and
01:20:51.940cultural national uh cultural nationalism well if you go to the uh uh the crock definition which
01:20:59.960i think is pretty good it says that civic nationalism refers to a liberal or political
01:21:06.140conception of nationalism and that it contrasts with a cultural nationalist conception because
01:21:13.580the civic nationalism doesn't believe that you have to have shared cultural traits that's why
01:21:19.280the civic nationalism in a way made it possible for multiculturalism to emerge because you don't
01:21:26.040have to have a shared culture with civic nationalism you don't have to have a shared
01:21:30.660ethnicity or a modern language that is common or a religion that is common, which is what
01:21:39.140civic nationalism is. Cultural nationalism, what it emphasizes is that you have to have
01:21:51.620a very strong emphasis on language. In the case of Canada, it would be that English and French
01:21:58.180will be enforced in a very rigorous way uh cultural nationalism also means that canada is
01:22:04.660a christian nation so you're going to emphasize religion and uh christianity is not just one
01:22:11.860religion that you choose or allow individuals to choose you may do it in your private home if you
01:22:17.700want because cultural nationalism still allows for liberalism but it still emphasizes that the nation
01:22:25.380of canada throughout history has been a christian nation and that has to be emphasized in the
01:22:33.380institutions and also it emphasizes that canada was founded by the french and the uh english
01:22:40.900peoples and then european people so ethnicity is a component of cultural nationalism hold on
01:22:48.020doctor there there wasn't any sikhs or uh hindus that were there what do you mean there were no
01:22:54.900sikhs or hindus uh in the founding of canada no there were there no kind of okay okay just
01:23:02.980just checking just checking yes uh i mean cultural nationalism it emphasizes culture in a very deep
01:23:13.540deep way it says that the canadian people the people who founded canada and created the nation
01:23:21.220have a very strong cultural identity that goes back centuries and it has to do with their religion
01:23:28.660their christianity it has to do with ethnicity so you're not afraid to say that the english and
01:23:34.340the french founded canada and then europeans from that is people from other european nations came in
01:23:40.820and play a role uh and it it can include other ethnic groups it doesn't say other ethnic groups
01:23:48.260are excluded it just simply creates an atmosphere in which immigrants have to recognize that canada
01:23:56.420has that christian identity and also it creates an atmosphere in which politicians and people can
01:24:02.500claim that as uh mackenzie king and other prime ministers in the past argue they were all cultural
01:24:10.100nationalist they said that canada would lose its identity if it opened its borders to asian
01:24:17.780immigration for example so there's a sense in which if you're a cultural nationalist you say
01:24:23.060i don't want my culture to be lost and i believe it would be lost if you allow millions of indians
01:24:30.260and millions of africans so it's not that you're saying that canada is white per se because in a
01:24:36.900sense that's a problem with white nationalism and i'm not saying that everything that white
01:24:42.820nationalists say is wrong but the problem with just saying white is that you're anchoring the
01:24:48.100identity of canada on a biological criteria and if you say that all there is to canada is simply
01:24:57.540race then you're saying well canada is really no difference from germany or spain and so on because
01:25:04.420they're all white whereas if you say that canada's identity is cultural then you
01:25:11.780mention those factors that make canada different culture from germany or from england that doesn't
01:25:18.020mean you don't recognize the reality of race it just means you don't make that the foundation of
01:25:24.340what it means to be canadian so in my view when if one wants to say what is a canadian i would
01:25:30.500say you have to prioritize culture above all else and that can include a civic dimension because
01:25:38.900Canada is also throughout history has been a liberal nation from the very beginning so
01:25:45.060the cultural component doesn't exclude the civic component it acknowledges the liberal institutions
01:25:51.700it acknowledges individual rights and it acknowledges separation of church and state
01:25:57.060but at the same time it recognizes that christianity has played a very important role
01:26:04.360in the way institutions were created in the symbols that canada has and you're not going
01:26:09.680to let go of those things because they matter a lot to the identity of the people could you um
01:26:15.500i wanted to ask you about like the difference between cultural nationalism and ethnic nationalism
01:26:22.320if there is any overlap and why why you think there might be problems like do you think there's
01:26:30.420do you think there's problems with ethno-nationalism or white nationalism why or
01:26:37.460why not and if you could bring up examples from you know from from history or other parts of
01:26:44.460europe in terms of you know different cultural nationalism versus ethno-nationalism nationalism
01:26:51.320movements that would be great as well well i know that in the dissident right or the far right
01:27:00.680uh white nationalism plays a big role and one of the reasons is that particularly in the united
01:27:10.240states uh race realism took off and almost became the ideology around which dissidents would sort
01:27:20.180organize themselves. And I have no problems with race realism as a theory. I think it is
01:27:27.480correct in many respects. It has been scientifically proven. But I don't believe that
01:27:34.060people can be founded or can find an identity about who they are and what they are by saying
01:27:41.960simply, oh, well, I have this biological reality or these are my genes. These are things that
01:27:48.260scientists talk about and you read very technical articles about races and the differences between
01:27:57.700them but that doesn't give people an identity in a way that one of the reasons that anglos
01:28:03.460in particular have gravitated towards racial nationalism is because they have lost their
01:28:10.580cultural identity they don't really know who they are so they're trying to find something to give
01:28:16.100them an anchor to give them somewhere to go so they gravitate and they say well we are different
01:28:23.700from blacks and then they point to the blacks and how they have lower IQs and that kind of thing
01:28:29.300but that is not going to make a movement it's not going to give people a sense of
01:28:34.580meaning you have to go to the culture to their customs to their traditions to their communities
01:28:41.220to their songs, to their rituals, for them to know who they are. So, in the case of Canada,
01:28:48.420in my view, Canadians have to rediscover who they are culturally, and that has been
01:28:56.900really weakened after many decades. It's not just decades of left-wing propaganda and takeover of
01:29:06.420institutions is modernization in and of itself. And it's not just communism, it's also a market
01:29:15.140economy, capitalism being allowed to dictate the nature of a nation. A capitalist on their own,
01:29:24.420they don't care about nationalities. They are for markets, they want globalization,
01:29:30.340They want open borders. They want people from all walks of life to move in and out of Canada.
01:29:38.820They want people to be ruthless. They don't want consumers who know who they are and may be
01:29:45.140attached to a particular store or small business. No, they want Costco, those big retailers that
01:29:54.180don't have identity i mean if you go to costco or walmart and you look at the customers a lot
01:29:59.620of the immigrants go to those stores because they don't have identities those stores they don't go
01:30:04.260to the smaller stores so um you have to be aware of that as well and not be naive uh the business
01:30:14.740world has been strongly behind the opening of borders has been behind mass immigration as well
01:30:22.660It's not communist, it's not socialist per se. In fact, socialists many times are more
01:30:28.660nationalistic or they used to be more nationalistic. So what I'm saying is that
01:30:37.460capital is in modernization as well as the left. I mean, the business right and the left are in
01:30:47.140this together. If you look at any bank in Canada, all the banks in Canada are for open borders.
01:30:52.660So these two forces combined have eroded the culture of Canada, and if Canadians want to regain that sense of identity, they're going to have to think really deep as to who they are as a cultural people.
01:31:07.960Simply to say, oh, I'm white, and that finally gives me my identity, that's not going to take you too far.
01:31:14.960But I mean, if you want to say I'm white and I want to understand why it is that blacks don't achieve as much, I don't think it is systemic racism.
01:31:24.160I think it's because they may not have the same IQ as whites. Fine, you can say that.
01:31:31.820And I'm not saying that's incorrect, but it's not going to be sufficient for a person from Norway, for an Irish.
01:31:41.060i mean the irish people right now are facing a mass immigration in a way in a very fast way and
01:31:48.900the irish people are going to have to start asking themselves well what does it mean to be irish
01:31:53.700and for them to say oh it means the ones who are white no it has to be deeper than that
01:31:59.540uh they have to go back into their history and they have to embrace it um so that's what i would
01:32:05.700say awesome i really like what you brought up in terms of like the biological aspect almost being
01:32:11.540too shallow and i was just thinking of the example of like you know i'm a man simply because i have
01:32:18.040a penis and that's it nothing to do with what a man should do in society just because i biologically
01:32:23.200have this appendage uh when i think most would agree that being a man is a lot more than than
01:32:28.100just having that and i'm not going to the whole like you know gender place with this but um
01:32:31.840i think there's a lot there's a lot of truth in that but but the problem the problem greg is that
01:32:38.060so if if you say that what's more important about being a man is what you do and you know your
01:32:43.680actions and how you behave then you're basically saying that that's what makes a man so you cannot
01:32:50.600i'm not separate the difference is though i'm not separating the two i'm not saying that it's just
01:32:55.580i'm not you know like i'm saying that they work together is the point but this is an important
01:33:00.540distinction then so it's not just cultural and it's not just biological it's both and that's
01:33:06.020part that's part of the point that's been been lost uh with canadians is that we've completely
01:33:12.180abandoned this concept of ethnic identity for a cultural values one and this has led to us not
01:33:18.960really understanding who we are so i i agree with dr ricardo like that that we need to get back to
01:33:25.420our roots that we need to understand who we are but we don't do that by saying we're everyone and
01:33:30.740everything and anyone can be us and like this is this is how we got in this situation to where
01:33:36.820nobody knows what a canadian is because there is no there is no definitive answer to that question
01:33:42.960unless you include the ethnic aspect to it do you think that there is fundamentally an ethnic aspect
01:33:49.780to cultural nationalism in Canada, Dr. Ricardo?
01:33:57.580Yes, cultural nationalism acknowledges the importance of ethnicity.
01:34:04.100You can see this more clearly if you look at European nations.
01:34:08.580Among Europeans, the concept of white nationalism hasn't really taken off for that reason,
01:34:14.320because europeans have always been very aware that the the germans are different from the french the
01:34:21.280french from the english and so on and they had bitter wars for centuries they were in constant
01:34:28.880conflict so italians understand themselves as italians not as whites um so that's ethnicity
01:34:37.280but you can see already the moment you say italian ethnicity you're automatically bringing culture
01:34:44.000into the equation it's not just race you're bringing culture right away into the equation
01:34:49.120you can't separate them so for an italian to say i'm italian they mean by that yes ethnicity but
01:34:56.000also i speak an italian language i have a particular history i'm in a particular location
01:35:03.520of europe um there are ways of speaking mannerisms and customs and foods that we have here uh so
01:35:12.000So when I look at these Africans moving into Italian Muslims, and one of the things that
01:35:21.440I ask myself, are they going to lose their cooking that is unique to them?
01:35:26.420That's really important because once a people lose that, they start losing their identity.
01:48:38.020yes, fine, Canada has separation of church and state,
01:48:42.360And yes, you have individual choice of religion, but Christianity shaped Canada's history and identity, and that has to be recognized and bring them in in that way.
01:49:00.900But let other people speak because I don't want to just be the only one talking.
01:49:06.020Well, we appreciate you hop on here, Dr. Ricardo.
01:49:10.000ferryman looks like you have something to say and then we'll kind of go around i'd like to hear from
01:49:13.440liz and trans as well i was just gonna ask if we could get fortisax up here but i did i did i got
01:49:20.560him up here he's been uh dming me so he's up and uh he can speak after liz if that's cool
01:49:26.480liz did you want to chime in on this conversation sure i'll jump in for a few minutes um i've been
01:49:33.760listening back and forth to your conversation and although i spend a majority of my time focusing
01:49:41.440primarily on american politics because personally that's how i view things strategically because
01:49:51.280if america's lights aren't on we're fucked everyone should know that so with saying that
01:49:58.080it's very interesting when you view things through the lens of american politics and you
01:50:03.520watch its ripple effect come into canada and to be honest with you ricochet across the world
01:50:12.480because what's going to happen in my opinion is that the upcoming administration of president
01:50:18.940trump is going to set a precedent for the greatness that will follow after he implements
01:50:27.380all the policies he has openly stated he's going to do and what you're going to see policies
01:50:33.140well number one he's going to completely eliminate the sexualization and mutilation
01:50:41.180of children with the ability to retroactively sue the butchers and doctors that did this
01:50:49.820to the children that are now sterilized or mutilated so that's number one number two he
01:50:56.900just appointed rfk who's going to do a thorough investigation into the vaccine industry and if
01:51:04.240you haven't read the book the real dr anthony fauci i suggest that you do because that will
01:51:10.460tell you exactly what his priorities are going to be and again you're going to see people
01:51:18.600um i don't know how to say this but uh politely but you're going to see an uprising
01:51:24.800in America when people actually find out what the pharmaceutical industrial complex
01:51:31.240has been doing, not to just Americans, but to Canadians and everyone around the world.
01:51:36.800So the pressure will be applied to the politicians that are currently in denial of what has happened
01:51:44.340over the past five years with the COVID scam, because we know it was a scam.
01:51:49.240and i say that because you know if you haven't figured that out by now i mean i right you know
01:51:56.920grab yourself a darwin award so yeah sorry to cut you off liz um we are very very very we very much
01:52:03.740agree we're very well aware of the covid stuff and the the trans stuff could you speak to some
01:52:08.080of trump's policies when it comes to immigration and uh you know exactly so he made it very clear
01:52:13.760if you have not listened to the videos of the new upcoming Secretary Horman, who has said on 60
01:52:21.300Minutes, yes, we will be deporting people and we will deporting entire families together. And that's
01:52:27.480what happens when you break the law, because we've had this open borders policy. And it's actually
01:52:33.420called the Soros-Cloward-Piven strategy. And it's meant to collapse your country from within as it
01:52:39.880overwhelms the system and at this point if you haven't read the un sustainable agenda which
01:52:47.320specifically names this they don't hide it this is happening to america it's happening to canada
01:52:54.140right so but but you're you're ignoring you know the the switch part of the bait and switch with
01:53:01.160trump's policy because he very expressly said explicitly said that yes we're going to have the
01:53:06.120biggest mass deportations uh initiative that's ever been done but we're also going to bring in
01:53:12.300more people that have ever been brought in but we're going to do it legally we're going to do
01:53:16.220it legally so he didn't say he's going to bring in more people when they actively have 10 million
01:53:23.280illegal and he's going to bring in immigrants that have ever come into america so he's so what
01:53:28.600you're saying is that trump said he's going to deport over 10 million illegals and he's going
01:53:33.720to bring in more than 10 million people legally that defies common sense because at the end of
01:53:39.760the day at the end of the day what he's promoting is legal immigration i'm saying that's that's and
01:53:48.860i don't think i'm in the canadian context actually i should have brought this up earlier with the ppc's
01:53:54.680platform part of the problem with this is that so there's a lot of focus on illegals and i'll give
01:54:00.060the credit the moratorium is a good thing but again illegals make up a tiny percentage of the
01:54:05.480problem with immigration especially in the canadian context less so than than the american one but even
01:54:10.720in the american context the illegals are a problem yes but in any european country illegals are like
01:54:17.380five percent max of the immigration okay so maybe you're missing the point here because again what
01:54:24.040i said earlier is what you're seeing is the cloward piven strategy this means open borders
01:54:31.060we're talking about ngos that make millions of dollars that are working hand in hand with former
01:54:36.980mayorkas that are actively pursuing and taking money from human trafficking rings this is
01:54:45.260unbelievable so it was saying that the criminals and all of the prisons that have been emptied
01:54:53.020from all around the world that have somehow made their way through the darien gap and processed in
01:54:58.620the open borders that all have ebt cards of ten thousand dollars and maps of where they need to go
01:55:05.240and free flights you know it's really incredible uh the problem is that you have to stop this
01:55:12.040liz did you have uh did you want to comment at all on uh you know canadian politics because we
01:55:17.260don't we don't have uh well yeah so yeah basically you know what right so basically what i see
01:55:26.220see in america is different in a sense because what trump did no sorry i said canada i was
01:55:33.720talking about canada i know i know so my point i'm getting there so my point is is that what
01:55:39.020trump effectively did was he was able to take the foundation of the republican party and build it in
01:55:44.160a populist way that, you know, while he's taken this on over the past few years to rise to the
01:55:52.580top as he has, they've been able to expel the infiltrators of their party. The problem in
01:55:59.460Canada is that we have a system where we have two top leading political parties that simply just
01:56:08.180pass the baton from one to the other. And unfortunately, it's an unfair system. I don't
01:56:15.860agree with the system that we have. I think that it is basically run by our regime media, because
01:56:23.740it's almost embarrassing, actually, to see our media act the way they do so fawningly towards
01:56:32.360both of the leading political candidates.
01:56:36.500It's a joke. And again, I could go on and on. The Canadian politics,
01:56:40.600yeah, it's completely captured and corrupted. Unfortunately, we don't.
01:56:44.920We have the PPC party that's willing to completely decouple
01:56:48.680from every globalist organization, which is an absolute necessity
01:56:52.440if you want Canada to survive. That's a shoo-in.
01:56:56.620But unfortunately, with the Conservative Party, it's so
01:57:00.620deeply corrupted and infested with liberals acting as conservatives that we have to have
01:57:07.700the same approach that america did and just completely expel these people from their positions
01:57:13.740because the the again the country is completely collapsing it's a fucking dumpster fire you know
01:57:20.440i hate to be so negative but again the problem is like people are going to have to learn the hard
01:57:26.460way canada is a bit behind the books you know in comparison to america that's why is she just
01:57:32.520you know my primary focus she's trying to waste our time right now because that is who is going
01:57:37.740to set the precedent that will force canadian politicians to start doing the right fucking
01:57:43.200thing because 99 of them are not and again it's embarrassing it's embarrassing very much well
01:57:51.080said thank you so much uh for for coming coming on the space liz let's i really want to address
01:57:56.840something she said there because she said somehow these immigrants are finding their way to the
01:58:01.880dairy and gap and we know exactly how they're doing it and it's funny to me that she brought
01:58:06.200up she actually named the man who's partially responsible for it and then completely glossed
01:58:11.880over that the the organization which is facilitating the mass invasion of the southern u.s border
01:58:18.520is the hebrew immigrant aid society they are the ones that are operating the facilities that run
01:58:23.800from all through central america and alejandro mayorkas sits on that board he said the the man
01:58:30.760in charge of defending the border of the united states at least until trump's administration takes
01:58:36.280over sits on the board of the organization that is facilitating the invasion of the u.s border
01:58:43.240and nobody will bring this up for one specific reason this is the only i mean that's crazy
01:58:49.560sorry i'm gonna jump in here i have talked about that before because laura loomer did
01:58:53.480an extensive report on it which i i reposted many times so no that's not true okay but why
01:58:59.320did you gloss over it then and say somehow because i can only say so much in such little time
01:59:05.080you know i'm not going to get into the intricacies i don't i actually don't care
01:59:08.760Sure. I've made my point very clearly. You guys should know exactly where I stand. Again, I look strictly at policy and the actions of the people and the amount that they want to hide. I look at financials and where their money comes from. That's the only way I look at it.
01:59:29.060The reason I think this is important and it's something that shouldn't be glossed over is because Trump's immigrant Trump's cabinet is littered with Israeli first, you know, Christian Zionists, Jews, this type of stuff, people who are very partial to Israel, people who have called for war with Iran multiple times.
01:59:48.880And it's fascinating to me that the other aspect of this is that Israel itself as a state is largely responsible for the invasion that Europe and other countries are facing.
02:00:00.580HIAS is directly funded by the Israeli government.
02:00:03.160Israel Aid is directly funded by the Israeli government.
02:00:05.900Paideia is directly funded by the Israeli government.
02:00:08.980And so you've got Trump in bed with all these Zionists and Israeli sympathizers and talking about defending the border.
02:00:16.040Well, Israel is actively funding the invasion. So to ignore this and just gloss over the fact that, like, you know, Jews, Israelis play a large role in demographic replacement is, you know, it's basically, I mean, I understand why people avoid it, but it's time we stop avoiding it.
02:00:34.320The reality is that Israel has played a massive role in demographic replacement, and that's true of Canada as well.
02:00:41.980The Israeli lobby in Canada, which is the Center for Israeli Jewish Affairs, lobbies for immigration constantly and then cries whenever Muslims that they advocated for coming into the country don't, you know, love Jews enough.
02:00:55.440so like this is this is a huge problem and it's something that everybody likes to skirt around
02:01:00.180because nobody wants to be called an anti-semite but you know it's it's a major factor that has to
02:01:04.800be addressed in this equation which is this these is israeli lobbies these zionists these uh you
02:01:10.280know powerful jews are actively subverting our society and you know it's time we normalize this
02:01:15.500discussion did you want to i agree for one fact i'd love i'd love a chance to agree with ferryman
02:01:21.600here sorry doctor you've been uh brilliant on everything you've said tonight but i do agree
02:01:26.480fairy i think that uh i don't think that it's trump in bed with them though i think he's at
02:01:30.240the mercy of them i think that the the benefit of ppc is that it's dude it's a political he took a
02:01:37.140hundred million dollars from miriam adelson so to say that he's not aware yeah i i don't want to go
02:01:43.220down this rabbit hole but honestly trans in all like i i mean this genuinely if you really want
02:01:47.980to dive into this topic of trump and jewish influence go devon stack blackbilled who jeremy
02:01:54.600is having a stream with tonight on saturday he did a stream called uh the insomnia stream trump
02:02:01.600and the jews edition and trump's relationships with these people goes back to basically when
02:02:06.800he was a kid it goes back to his father so to say that he's being hoodwinked or that he's being
02:02:11.700pressured or that he's like i don't know i don't think he's being hoodwinked but you also have to
02:02:16.160have like parsimony with your theory it can't be if he's one of them then why are them lawfaring
02:02:22.060him attempted the assassinating him there are factions involved with this and it's not as simple
02:02:27.460as sorry i muted sorry i muted everybody uh we're not going to get into this whole thing with trump
02:02:34.920we're not going to get like we're doing a slight detour here that's fine but uh liz you hopped on
02:02:41.800I appreciate it. If you wanted to quickly address some of Ferryman's statements about how do you
02:02:48.360explain Trump being in bed with a lot of Zionists and also Zionists funding a lot of these
02:02:54.300organizations that facilitate the immigration or massive amounts of illegals or coming into
02:03:02.680America. After that, we're going to go back to to to Canadian politics. Thank you. Yeah,
02:03:07.900I think there's a much larger picture here and I think that you're kind of walking into a really
02:03:12.880shitty trap when you start talking about the whole Israeli versus Palestinian no no no so basically
02:03:22.720yeah I need to clear I need to clear that up so my mom had cancer my mom had cancer 15 years ago
02:03:29.100and I had to send her to a genetic counselor and they came back and they're like oh it appears
02:03:34.500there's some type of jewish blood blah blah blah blah blah i'm like no no no mom just ignore it and
02:03:38.740the joke was you you are jewish but no no no i've never been to a synagogue my grandparents were in
02:03:45.060world war ii my grandfather you know cath catholic and okay so what so what are your thoughts on
02:03:53.700trump being next to zionists and zionists also well i think it's just well i think that you're
02:03:59.780kind of talking about you know you're getting into like campaign finances and you know the money that
02:04:06.980comes in etc etc yeah you know there's different important details no it's the nitty-gritty important
02:04:12.740details yeah okay i think right well i think we need to segue and get off this is going i disagree
02:04:17.780yeah but anyways anyways like like anyways i i think you know i agree i agree with rachel because
02:04:23.460we're kind of like getting into like the whole you know there's we can go on about the muslims
02:04:30.420that support him we can go on about there's so many different things you know what i mean like
02:04:34.340there's so many different angles that you can look at that and you're going to end up talking
02:04:39.540in what i call a revolving door it's like nobody nobody's all right okay thank you so much
02:04:45.940because i have to exit out you know thank you for your response to that liz yeah yeah no i appreciate
02:04:51.620it but i have to exit out soon so what i'll leave this by saying in regards to canadian politics
02:04:56.020you know i'm actually um thrilled to see that um hopefully there will be some accountability
02:05:01.540with the crovet the covet crimes that we all we're not here to talk about covet i'm so sorry
02:05:06.720thank you for coming on okay so you don't want to talk about that okay we're well aware of the
02:05:10.000covet stuff thank you yeah yeah so anyways i'll just leave it by saying that's all that you know
02:05:15.300i had to say is that that's what i'm looking forward to and that's it right thank you that's
02:05:20.220thank you liz okay so let's get back to uh actual solutions in canada for reversing uh the radical
02:05:29.960demographic change uh that's what i would want to talk about actually ricardo while you're here
02:05:35.320maybe it'd actually be interesting to i thought of a question while uh well israel came up is there
02:05:41.520anything unique or noteworthy uh when it comes to the cultural nationalism of israel uh because
02:05:49.800there's also let's be real there's a lot of jewish people or israeli people in america and canada who
02:05:54.220are very passionate about the needs and wants of the nation of israel even though they're in canada
02:06:01.400and they and they're canadian presumably but they also like prioritize a foreign nation more than
02:06:06.760their own uh are you aware of this sort of phenomena um sorry i really don't mean to do
02:06:13.300but like i find it very strange because in in the time that i asked liz if she was jewish i've been
02:06:19.020sent five different instances of her claiming to be jewish in tweets so this is just a really
02:06:24.500strange thing to me that she would say that multiple times and then deny it when she's
02:06:29.080called out in the context of really influence hey hey if she's on your radar that clip it
02:06:35.320you know do what you will um this this this space is not supposed to be a you know uh
02:06:41.860grilling liz churchill fest it was maybe for a minute there but you know let's move on with
02:06:47.120actual topic of this space uh dr ricardo did you have any thoughts on uh the cultural nationalism
02:06:53.680of uh israel and how it relates maybe to what we were just talking about well yes israel is
02:07:00.960it's an ethnic state uh the and jews throughout the world uh are really supportive of israel
02:07:11.440although there are some Jews that are on the left and they don't agree with a lot of the things that
02:07:21.040the Israel government does. So you do have quite a few strong critics of what's going on in Israel,
02:07:31.040but by and large they tend to be very nationalistic, ethnocentric and all of that.
02:07:41.440I don't I mean I am fully aware of the Jewish question I have read Kevin McDonough's work I
02:07:48.540never met him many times Jewish question what emails I wrote a lot for his journal
02:07:54.420um at the same time I'm not um a guy who says it is the Jews to everything that everybody says I
02:08:05.120mean you can find this in I don't even I don't even know what you're talking about Jewish question
02:08:10.000never even heard of that maybe a more direct question would be um you know are jewish people
02:08:16.760a religion or an ethnicity or uh you know from it's funny it's funny you you phrase the question
02:08:25.340like that greg because i i wanted to go through some of the things that trump did specifically
02:08:29.840for jews in his first presidency and the things that he's promised that he will do for them in
02:08:33.820this term uh and one of those things that he did in his first presidency was sign an executive order
02:08:39.620which defines jewish people as a race and the reason he did this was because it gives them
02:08:44.660explicit access to certain civil rights and certain litigations them so by definition in
02:08:49.940the united states yes they are a race and trump did that to give them more power wow um thoughts
02:08:59.220dr ricardo yes i mean jews are very powerful in the united states at the same time
02:09:08.100Americans, the culture of Americans is very Jewish. It's not that Jews are simply pulling
02:09:19.340strings. It's that Americans have a deep attachment to Jews. Christians, many of them
02:09:28.920are really pro-Israeli, and it's not as if they're being forced to be. They just really
02:09:34.820believe in it and there is no way in the united states that you're going anywhere if you are
02:09:42.020anti-israel you're just not going to go anywhere um so i don't i wouldn't thank you for the two
02:09:48.460dollars i wouldn't i i wouldn't go against trump and say okay free policy trump is not good nothing
02:09:54.560happened or it didn't matter whether kamal or he was elected i'm sorry i missed a super chat earlier
02:09:59.200Because, oh, he's really pro-Jewish, and then leave it at that.
02:10:21.300So you have to be realistic that the election of Trump was a big win for our side.
02:10:26.580um the left is going crazy in the united states um they do believe he's fascist for a reason
02:10:34.900because there are many aspects about his policies that are um you know closer to us
02:10:44.140uh so i i look at this in a long-term geopolitical way way as well um it's not
02:10:53.100When people say about Canada, I also look at what's going on with Ukraine, Russia.
02:11:00.320I think it would be a real blow to the liberal progressive order if Russia wins the war in Ukraine.
02:11:11.540Whereas if Ukraine wins, it's going to be a big blow for us.
02:11:16.240That means the liberal order is expanding.
02:11:21.580It's gaining influence and confidence. This war meant everything to them. I have never seen a
02:11:28.060situation since the Second World War when you have European nations, even Canada. Canada has always
02:11:35.020taken a pacifist stand and now and then it gives a bit of support to this or that war, but not the
02:11:41.340way they went in support for Ukraine. And this is the same with Estonia, this is the same with the
02:11:46.860Baltic stakes, they all went in. Why? Because they believe this is a huge geopolitical issue to the
02:11:53.900world liberal order. So a defeat for them, to me, is a big win for us. Now I know there are some
02:12:02.220guys, white nationalists that are for Ukraine, and I'm not going to get into that debate.
02:12:08.060I will just say what I think, why I think it is a big geopolitical issue for our side.
02:12:15.500So in the case of Trump, he's going to be pro-Iran, really Zionist, pro-Israel,
02:12:24.700but he's going to be not so against Russia and not so for Ukraine. So that is a bit of a win
02:12:35.580for our side, the way I see it. And there are many other things that he's going to do that are
02:12:41.580our wing for our side um so that's what i would argue okay thank you thank you dr ricardo all
02:12:51.340right yeah and i gotta go yes thank you so much for helping on we appreciate it we appreciate it
02:12:57.420yeah yeah so my science guy was good talking to all of you yes we appreciate your insights
02:13:04.780so let's refocus this conversation kind of back to where we started it all started because
02:13:10.940Maxine Bernier made this tweet with Hindus in the photo and a lot of people felt hey this is kind of
02:13:17.120missing the mark why would you post this you know you have deportations in your policy now and you're
02:13:22.920making photos like this so let's kind of let's focus on the future and what is the best path
02:13:30.360forward or what we think can be effective now a lot of what you say ferryman I appreciate but also
02:13:37.660like my critique would be this is uh idealistic it's a radical idealistic thing i think it's very
02:13:44.720useful in terms of rhetoric in terms of energy but in terms of like how can we actually apply
02:13:50.440this to reality and how can we actually you know start getting start winning hearts and minds today
02:13:56.240of the average canadian because one thing you did say is and i was actually i've never heard this
02:14:01.360kind of perspective but i thought it was interesting which is you know is this tweet
02:14:04.880from actually pandering to hindus or is it maybe actually pandering to guilty white people who feel
02:14:11.720like oh yeah see i told you the ppc isn't racist and like that's why this is a good tweet and here's
02:14:17.040the thing just to play devil's advocate a lot of canadians are like that unfortunately a lot of
02:14:22.940them are still in that pocket of kind of knowing something's wrong wanting to support something
02:14:27.880more radical but also feeling more safe that uh that there's a brown person there you know what
02:14:33.860i'm saying so like if you want me to answer your question directly like yes i i believe i genuinely
02:14:41.080believe that that was who he was pandering to more than the hindus um i think that you're correct
02:14:47.540when you say that's true of a lot of canadians but that is the problem the problem is that so
02:14:53.200many canadians feel that their their views are not valid unless these random foreigners who showed up
02:14:59.000last week or the rabid leftists approve of them this is the thing like civic nationalism is a
02:15:04.580perfect example of this what it is is a diluted down watered down version of nationalism that is
02:15:11.140supposed to be kind of okay within the leftist moral framework because it's inclusive so this
02:15:17.620in and of itself is part of the problem we don't have uh you know a problem with uh resources we
02:15:24.500have all the resources we have all the manpower uh we have like you know all the capability to do
02:15:30.220what needs to be done what we the real problem that canadians have and you know the western
02:15:36.340world in general all european peoples have right now is a spiritual one and so this is the real
02:15:42.620problem and this is what i try to to fight for i'm not trying to get people to think of pragmatic
02:15:48.740solutions of how how are we going to achieve this technically you know within the framework of the
02:15:54.480existing legislation and the mechanics of government and all of that to me is is irrelevant
02:15:59.540because if we can develop the spiritual will to actually change things to actually put things in
02:16:06.200on the right track all of this stuff is just you know it's noise it's it's stuff that you know
02:16:11.760falls into place what you need is the fighting spirit that's what you need out of out of people
02:16:17.940and so when i hear people say things like oh well we can't do that because we'll be called this
02:16:23.340or you know we're not thinking of the limitations i mean they have pieces of paper that say they're
02:16:28.700canadians and you know that this person you know they're kind of cool so they like all of this
02:16:33.320stuff is is people coping with with not being willing to actually fight they want it easy and
02:16:40.120that's the whole difference between me i don't want you to vote i don't want you to go vote for
02:16:45.860a party that's going to give you what you want i want you to become a fighter start fighting at
02:16:51.580the individual level in your daily life constantly don't rely on a politician who's advocating for
02:16:57.820certain policies that you can go check a box on on election day every four years that's not what's
02:17:03.880going to get us out of this situation we need a fighting spirit we need to mobilize as a people
02:17:09.320not as a party as a people this is the key crux that that is lost in politics and this is why i
02:17:16.180find politics so abhorrent is that it is constantly resorts back to the moral framework that has been
02:17:22.580dictated to us as being acceptable when in reality we need to reject that moral framework entirely
02:17:27.980and say we're going to do this and we don't care who says it's okay or acceptable or whatever
02:17:33.280we're organizing we're here to fight for our people we have a right to exist and we're not
02:17:38.900going to negotiate that away that is the attitude that wins us wins for us in the end not politicking
02:17:46.120not electioneering not optics it's a it's an attitude that that needs to come from it's look
02:17:53.520let me just put it this way we need a triumph of the will not elections we need our people to
02:17:59.140mobilize and just will uh are what we want into existence i know that sounds idealistic but
02:18:06.260ultimately that's what has to be done yeah i mean i i certainly appreciate uh you know i agree with
02:18:13.080that sentiment because just when you when you see sort of the demoralization or just kind of like
02:18:17.840the deep pit the deep hole that so many canadians are in like mentally emotionally and spiritually
02:18:23.700of being so far away from even beginning to stand up for themselves it's like yeah why do i feel why
02:18:29.040do i feel like you know checking a mark on a ballot box is not going to change this there
02:18:33.640truly does need to be something that is spiritual um uh do you i don't want to go off on too much
02:18:41.320of a segue but mr ricardo was talking about christianity being fundamental to uh to cultural
02:18:48.920the cultural nationalism of canada is that at all something that you think is important for uh for
02:18:56.640what canadians are facing right now ferryman incorporating uh christianity into into our
02:19:02.980identity and and using that to to cultivate that will so to speak
02:19:07.460i think this so the c question specifically with christianity obviously i have no issue with
02:19:16.000with christianity i think that canada is a christian nation it was founded as a christian
02:19:21.040nation that isn't up for debate we had religious laws in this country up until like 2006 you know
02:19:27.140no shop on sunday's laws um so the idea that we you can separate christianity from the canadian
02:19:33.300experience is nonsense um and that's what they try to do they do this all the time uh they say
02:19:38.640that uh you know we we believe in religious freedom in Canada well that was true in the
02:19:42.840Canadian context but it was not uh pluralistic in the sense of like Islam and Hinduism and Sikhism
02:19:48.820at least for the vast majority of Canadian history um so obviously you know you can't separate those
02:19:56.080two but that being said uh Christianity like many things has been subverted drastically since the
02:20:02.780the you know in the post-war era since the end of the second world war christianity has undergone
02:20:07.740this this massive subversion that has turned it into this toothless kind of the the only thing
02:20:13.360christianity seems to have teeth on um is israel um you've got you know 90 million christian
02:20:20.280zionists in the united states and most of the evangelicals in canada which you know there's
02:20:24.820less of but they're they're rabid supporters of israel like and on top of this too the like there's
02:20:31.780a huge problem with christianity in that um you'll see this a lot with christians like um
02:20:36.620they like to say that uh you know uh christians should be welcome from all over and look we're
02:20:43.820seeing it play out in europe in particular where you get these so-called christians from africa
02:20:49.200who uh you know don't really uh align with what europeans would call christian values do they
02:20:55.720So, look, I think Christianity is historically significant, but I also think that it's incredibly subverted and to base a nationalist movement around Christianity in 2024, there's huge problems with.
02:21:11.000And this is, you know, for, for us, like speaking for me personally, I put folk over faith always. Um, I don't, I don't particularly care what your religious beliefs are. Um, as long as, as you're fighting for our, uh, you know, survival as a people. Um, so, so I, I will always default to that.
02:21:30.320um i appreciate christians i i am culturally christian obviously i was raised catholic i still
02:21:37.040you know engage in biblical reading sometimes um i i am really a huge appreciator of christian
02:21:44.420history but i don't think that that's the the ideology that's going to get us through this
02:21:48.700um at least not not unless it's in conjunction with some kind of um you know ethnic movement
02:21:55.300and understanding that um you know the the reason the things that people like about christianity
02:22:01.200uh here i'll just summarize with this i think that christianity was influenced more by europeans
02:22:08.400than europeans were influenced by christianity that's that's my my take on it and so i think
02:22:15.160that emphasizing the the racial aspect will always be more important than emphasizing the religious
02:22:21.000aspect and i i you know here i'll sum up this will be the last thing i would rather live with a
02:22:27.900norwegian pagan than uh you know christians from the congo and i would rather live with christians
02:22:34.540from germany than pagans from uh india so and i think most people would agree with that if you're
02:22:42.260a christian you would probably a european christian i should say you would probably say
02:22:47.240you that you would rather live with you know atheistic or agnostic europeans than you would
02:22:52.760with i don't know uh christians from india or i don't know i don't pick pick a destination outside
02:23:00.740of europe um so that that's my perspective on it okay thank you for that um i saw you unmuting
02:23:07.600earlier trance did you want to comment on this i did i just feel like the doctor summed it up
02:23:13.440pretty good that it is cultural and what fairman's talking about about race i feel equally important
02:23:19.120that he mentioned spirituality but christianity is just as important that's the glue that's what
02:23:23.800keeps a community together is gathering once a week to say i agree with you may peace be with
02:23:28.380you may peace also be with you just gathering to agree on something is the glue that's held
02:23:32.500our foundations together for all this time so it's very important it's easier to do that in
02:23:36.640the medium of religion than it is to get together and go i remember when ragnar was thrown into the
02:23:41.520snake pit and then damage the saxon gene pool in mercia it just doesn't have that same ring to it
02:23:47.920so i think it's an equally important spoke on the wheel of culture that the doctor was mentioning
02:23:53.660and i was trying to find common ground with ferryman earlier by giving credit to whites
02:23:58.440and europeans for creating the culture we live in and saying that ppc is just a mechanism and i'm
02:24:03.580glad i was corrected on civnet that's not something i'm passionate about or i'm like oh i'm a civnet
02:24:08.400I never even think of that. I just know that I'm not white exclusive for in a political realm when I'm looking for people to vote, especially if they want to join our culture and how successfully they'll integrate into that culture.
02:24:21.700I totally agree. If I could discriminate and say we would prefer white Europeans in here because they tend to assimilate easier into our culture, then I would easily argue that once we're at a place where we can argue such things.
02:24:35.000But right now, the Overton window is so shut that you're called a racist. So am I. I'm called a racist quite a lot. And Ferryman, I'm sorry for calling you a racist, but it was something that you were advertising. And I put it in a totally different class when you're saying that you want to connect with politics and you want to support PPC. And you're also doing like shit skins. Everyone who's not white, you're gone. And you never elaborate on it with some kind of philosophy or system for how this will happen. You've got to understand that that's a very toxic look.
02:25:02.360so that's the only reason i was mentioning it but i am called a racist just as much as you are
02:25:07.040because i'm advocating many of the same things of a focus on actual european culture that built
02:25:12.820this society and once we set up a meritocracy it will be exactly what that doctor was talking
02:25:17.880about it'll be based on cultural nationalism so that's kind of a bit of both of ours but i
02:25:23.140understand that you're very passionate about the one lane of ethnicity i actually agree with you
02:25:27.840with what you said about christianity i actually do think that that is the value of religious
02:25:32.160systems regardless of what they are is that they serve as a gathering point for people and even in
02:25:37.400the context of like you you can trace this this is what uh you know led to the destruction of a lot
02:25:42.620of you if you go back and you look at the decline of church attendance in canada you'll see that
02:25:47.900this this directly correlates with our decline as as a people um and and that's because i don't
02:25:53.880think that's a lot of people say that this is because of the morality or the religion itself
02:25:58.480i disagree i think it's more of the mechanism of of the community building that that attending
02:26:04.360church has and so well i i 100 agree with you if you if church does it for you if that's how you
02:26:11.040connect with your community by all means but there are other ways as well and that's one thing that
02:26:15.760we emphasize which is things like you know communal training events communal hiking events
02:26:20.680like these are these achieve the same end you know potluck dinners all of this stuff these are
02:26:25.140things that were a huge part of the church outside of the spiritual aspect of it and that's what part
02:26:30.200of what we're trying to rebuild in a way that is more modernized look church works too though right
02:26:35.520did you want to address what very uh what trans said that uh you have a toxic look when you say
02:26:41.900things like uh well i don't i i don't know if i particularly like i don't tend to use the the
02:26:48.640term shit skin or anything like that. I prefer, I prefer Pajit. I think it's funnier and it's more
02:26:53.260kind of, uh, you know, endearing, but, uh, that being said, um, look, uh, again, this, this comes
02:27:00.900back to the attitude, which is part of the problem we have here is this kind of always conforming to
02:27:07.800the optics of what is deemed acceptable by the left. The moral framework from which we operate
02:27:14.240depends on us you know we can't say that word you can't frame it like that you know this is a bad
02:27:20.420optics the media will run with this and i think the personally i think the correct approach to
02:27:26.580break this is to actually go well beyond what they deem is acceptable and even beyond what the right
02:27:33.640thinks is acceptable i think the overton window is that is that for like is that what the ppc
02:27:39.400should do or you're just saying i'm not saying it's i'm not saying it's what the ppc let me put
02:27:44.640it this way part of the reason the left has succeeded so much in shifting the overton window
02:27:50.700over the last 60 years is because they do not counter signal their radicals and so the the
02:27:58.280perfect example of this is that you will never hear justin trudeau condemn a transgender you
02:28:04.280know whatever drag queen performer for showing their testicles to children you will never hear
02:28:09.360him criticize antifa for their raucous riots you will never hear him uh you know counter signal
02:28:16.180leftist academics who talk about you know how white whiteness needs to be destroyed or that
02:28:22.520white people are evil you'll never hear that you will never hear one of the left establishment
02:28:27.580figures counter signal the extreme leftist radicals and that is why they have been able
02:28:32.560to succeed. Whereas on our side, the establishment figures, the Trumps, the Paulievs, the whoever,
02:28:40.440right? Anybody who's kind of perceived to be on the right, not only do they counter signal their
02:28:44.760radicals on the right, they will actively try to cancel them and say that they do not condone or
02:28:51.340appreciate the rhetoric of our side. So basically what I'm saying is you actually need these people
02:28:59.340who are going to engage in extreme rhetoric why because they're the ones who break the ground
02:29:04.140and shift the overton window so that organizations like the ppc or conservative parties or more uh
02:29:11.920what you might call optics friendly kind of organizations can operate without being called
02:29:17.940racist basically what i'm saying is they're we're decoys we're the ones who attract all of the
02:29:22.900the attacks and we're the ones who who face all the scrutiny and we're the ones who get
02:29:27.920lambasted by the media and that allows for these groups kind of that sit more to the center to
02:29:33.780shift a little to the right and so the perfect example this is like mass deportations like that
02:29:39.000would have been that would have been completely unthinkable a few years ago for even the ppc to
02:29:43.860say yeah we believe in mass deportations it was radicals calling for mass deportations and being
02:29:49.960unapologetic about it that allows the ppc to then filter in and occupy that space that was opened up
02:29:56.320by the radicals so i guess if there's one thing i can ask from you know more uh mainstream optics
02:30:04.060friendly whatever you want to call it uh entities in in right-wing politics it's for the love of god
02:30:09.680stop counter signaling the people who you think are you know vulgar or uh you know extreme or you
02:30:17.600know maybe going a little bit too far because them going a little bit too far is what makes
02:30:22.040it acceptable for you to go far enough yeah i mean i i think i would mostly uh agree with that
02:30:30.940because you totally nailed it with saying the the left never counter signals their radicals
02:30:36.540and on our side you know we i i think you brought it up but polyev is horrible for this polyev is
02:30:42.340like the biggest gatekeeper of them all and constantly at the drop of a hat he disavowed
02:30:47.720christine anderson for saying well she said that trudeau's a disgrace to democracy to me that is
02:30:53.960just like the worst example of that um but i can't speak for trans here but i guess like we might as
02:31:00.380well talk about it which is like the the concern is that maybe uh the worst of the worst person
02:31:07.200on social media who has a diagonal on in their profile that will get associated uh with the ppc
02:31:14.800and and make it harder for the ppc and you know especially when the policy is um to deport you
02:31:24.580know that's that's gonna come up like it's kind of an inevitability inevitability to kind of for
02:31:30.720them to try and use this cancel culture tactic so i guess i'm really of the thought of the belief
02:31:36.780that um the ppc needs to know that success is getting all of those smears thrown at you you
02:31:46.740know like if you're successful if if max is effective as ppc is effective and we get those
02:31:51.740we get those thrown at us but it's also part of the project cactus was to do exactly what ferryman
02:31:57.580was doing but they make fake accounts that launch the most racist things to give fodder to be
02:32:02.280marginalized in the hearts and minds in a fifth generation warfare that ppc is radical they're
02:32:07.140far right they're extreme they have direct connections so that's why i'm like wondering
02:32:11.320is it that you want to be a force that moves the overton window and stays distant from ppc
02:32:16.580but you also seem to exist in a milieu where you're like i we're your voters uh appeal to us
02:32:22.500or we're gone and i'm like there's got to be a goldilocks zone where we can operate and coexist
02:32:27.960or else like it really feels like an anti-PPC sentiment like I have never gone in and felt
02:32:35.280anything balanced politically uh maybe I don't know maybe Derek I don't know some people have
02:32:41.260said it sometimes but it feels like there it's grown increasingly hostile towards PPC and I've
02:32:47.160seen a long history of groups distancing and hating and feeling like almost a jealous vibe
02:32:53.360we got there first like fairman you guys are very powerful you do move the online window quite
02:32:58.860heavily you've got a very loyal following it's uh very motivated people but um there's the effects
02:33:05.400of reality are gigantic there are people that i see and work with every day in halifax that have
02:33:09.780had enough that have never heard of diagonal and they've just had enough because the chaos of
02:33:13.240society is matching what the rhetoric max has been preaching since 2019 no more mass immigration
02:33:18.000sounds a lot less crazy and i'm just kind of in this let's not blow it don't blow it and i get
02:33:24.200that you're pushing the window but there's also a line where it's like this is public figures
02:33:29.040speaking in politics this isn't anonymous guys jockeying for who can say the most edgy thing
02:33:34.820and move up the ladder of no i'm edgier i i'm so what i'm telling you is that if you ever want to
02:33:41.780win eventually you will have to cross the line and you like i don't understand you know this like
02:33:47.100you know that no no but you're you're talking like a sage of winning when civ nationalism has
02:33:51.960been winning so i'm like i'm looking at the demonstrated history of how to achieve political
02:33:56.400power in a country and it doesn't include ethno nationalism it includes cultural nationalism as
02:34:03.280the doctor was realigning me to fine let's call it that but it includes doing that and pursuing
02:34:08.740that vein and and i just don't see this is you know i don't see the extreme we you got to do
02:34:15.760exactly this and i see a lot of people who are stuck in that i can't get on board with ppc unless
02:34:21.160it's fucking perfect and nothing will ever be perfect so so can i interject here can i i actually
02:34:28.520do want to hear from you for sex but i just want to respond to alex quickly which is i think
02:34:32.360fundamentally we have different victory conditions so like your your victory conditions basically are
02:34:38.640ppc takes power um through civic nationalism and then we start implementing you know ppc
02:34:45.340policies and you know if that doesn't result in us being able to um you know have uh an ethnic
02:34:52.720homeland for the canadian people explicitly that's not victory to me like that that is my
02:34:58.640victory to me either like i have tiered expectations first is survival first the
02:35:03.040tyrant is going to use every he controls the environment think of it as sun zoo they control
02:35:07.080the media they control the hearts and minds of most people who are weak we're at the time where
02:35:10.860weak people are creating a destroyed society so while we're living in that we work with what we
02:35:16.020have among us you're doing your project over here and i agree men do need to get stronger when i see
02:35:22.340you guys doing like we're fucking going to the gym we're caring about our bodies like jeremy has
02:35:26.260really strengthened the culture of white people and we deserve it fuck we're demonized from every
02:35:32.320fucking angle but there's also stuff like christianity fertility rates there's many things
02:35:37.600to be done without pointing the finger until you're gone i can't have children no it has to
02:35:43.060be both okay let's hear from let's hear from four to sacks firstly uh man what a night we're going
02:35:51.560past two and a half almost three hours here i wanted to thank greg rachel uh trans and ferryman
02:35:57.480for the very stimulating conversation so um i believe what about liz you didn't thank liz
02:36:04.780sorry yeah i look i wasn't going to comment on that um so what i wanted to say is this there's
02:36:12.260a lot of ground that i want to cover or at the very least add to that everybody else has already
02:36:16.800added uh so i'm kind of an acolyte of dr duchene uh one of the most important books i think for
02:36:24.120canadians is canada in decay if you've never read it you probably should and it actually chronicles
02:36:29.920very important history as far as the Canadian people and their formation are concerned.
02:36:35.800So there's a number of things that I'm going to cover here.
02:36:37.880And the first is a very quick synopsis of the formation of the two nations that constitute Canada.
02:36:44.440Number one, obviously, is the Quebecois.
02:36:48.660The Quebecois, under Samuel de Champlain, came to Quebec in 1608,
02:36:53.400and they founded the settlement that would become Quebec City.
02:36:55.660The second group of Canadians mostly came in 1790.
02:41:28.860They rely on criteria that is mostly cultural compatibility matrix.
02:41:35.460So the only people they allowed to the province already have pre-existing similarities to that province, because the further away you are, the less likely you're going to integrate people.
02:41:45.540Quebec, for the last 49 years, has been the only province in the country to even attempt to integrate foreigners.
02:41:53.840So to speak to Trance, or Alex, I guess, you know, I personally don't think that Max was necessarily pandering.
02:42:04.280I think he was being a good-natured Canadian.
02:42:06.980I think he was saying, hey, listen, we can bring these people into the fold.
02:42:12.000I think he was saying that we can extend the olive branch.
02:42:16.300But to criticize the notion of coalition building with this massive group of foreigners in the country,
02:42:22.280the main issue now is that Canada does not have the social infrastructure to provide that integration.
02:42:28.700And when you look at a situation like Brampton, which is a city of 750,000 people and is 82 South Asian and has been allowed to grow into this absolutely catastrophically massive group of people who do not align with Canada, who do not align with Canadian culture or values or religion, there is practically nothing you can do about it except dismantle it.
02:42:52.840So, as Ferryman has pointed out before, to sacrifice probably your most ardent supporters for what might amount to 10% to 15% of that cohort is probably not a very smart thing to do.
02:43:06.460We're in a situation now, I notice a lot of people are getting blocked under Max's page.
02:43:12.740I, for some reason, haven't been blocked. I consider that a good thing.
02:43:16.440But I said, you know, I don't believe that this is the right path to go on.
02:43:20.340we must unite under our common Anglo and French identity because that is what we are and that is what we have always been.
02:43:29.720We have always been a country of two nations. We have always been Anglo, Canadian and French.
02:43:36.620So my main issue with the PPC, I guess to an extent, my main issue with half of Canada is this failure of recognizance that Canadians are a people.
02:43:47.100because if you don't know who you are, then you don't know what foreigners are going to identify
02:43:52.480with. If you don't even know what a Canadian is, how can you expect an East Indian to know what a
02:43:58.500Canadian is? How can you expect them to integrate and assimilate to you if you don't even define
02:44:03.100your values or your origins or your history, right? So there can and will not be any integration
02:44:08.900with significant numbers of foreigners based on this current situation. So people were talking
02:44:16.080about you know once again we'll go back to policies quebec has recognized itself as a
02:44:22.080distinct society it recognizes itself as a distinct ethnic group an immutable immovable
02:44:29.120rock solid ethnic group that is exclusive to them and if assimilation and integration is possible
02:44:35.840pre-existing similarities have to exist and they face a tremendous amount of social pressure to do
02:44:41.200so and only then can we have integration only then can we wholesomely amalgamate newcomers
02:44:48.800into this country who want to be canadian but as it stands right now there are no social incentives
02:44:54.320the status of canadian culture is not high enough to incentivize uh people to want to be canadian
02:45:01.520so the status of canadian culture has to be elevated the social infrastructure has to be
02:45:06.560there so that they can move into that mode of thinking where they're like okay you know what
02:45:11.360i'm in it i'm willing to abandon my pre-existing culture and identity to join yours and that's a
02:45:16.880massive ask that's a massive ask for anybody of any culture and if you look at our own history
02:45:22.800it took an insurmountable amount of effort just to get the english and the french cooperating
02:45:28.480and to this day that's still not even really the case it is mostly it's settled into an uneasy
02:45:33.520but we had a hard time integrating other people so you know when people say oh well we need to
02:45:39.580coalition build with all these individuals the reality is you're pulling the cart before the
02:45:43.680horse you're you're you have to build up this entire infrastructure before that happens
02:45:48.500so yeah to just to close here I believe that the the seeds of ethnic nationalism
02:45:57.500while allowing some degree of foreign integration they're already here they
02:46:02.840already exist we already have a successful model for it you know that's
02:46:08.120all that has to be done mass deportations you know for people who are
02:46:12.260still squeamish about this the Trump administration is already doing that the
02:46:15.740second largest political party in Germany is already talking about that in fact
02:46:19.340that's the exact subject that they were voted in on I guess the Germans have a
02:46:23.780lot of faith that that's going to happen. And for less, you know, less direct and aggressive methods
02:46:28.920that do seem to be working, Denmark and Sweden actually have a very successful model, so it
02:46:35.280seems, of sending a lot of these people home, either by paying them or they set up cultural
02:46:40.280policies that incentivize either assimilation or leaving. And if you don't make the cut, then they
02:46:44.680leave on their own. So everybody here tonight has brought up a number of positive points, a lot of
02:46:49.640good points um but there is a way to tie all of this together thank you yeah wow can i just respond
02:46:58.040quickly i think everything you're talking about about quebec and the way that they've situated
02:47:02.440themselves is exactly in the policies of ppc defining our cultures as that and stopping
02:47:07.720immigration until we have a values test in some way of knowing are you going to have the conversation
02:47:13.640no one isn't even having the conversation when you say how many can we successfully assimilate
02:47:17.880It's a very complicated calculation of do you guys care enough about your culture to make anyone else want to assimilate?
02:47:24.120You need to have a certain pressure of people that are very proud of their culture.
02:47:27.520Enter ferryman and everyone who's propping up white culture as we're a dominant force because dominance dominates.
02:47:34.280If we're not dominant, if we hate ourselves and if we're at the lowest levels ever made because of the multiculturalism lie, no one will ever assimilate.
02:47:42.060What kind of welfare mechanisms are we talking about?
02:47:44.180We're going to have to go through an austerity phase thanks to Trudeau putting our debt into the trillions.
02:47:50.200So there's going to be a process by which everything you said will come to fruition if you pursue PPC as a strategy.
02:47:56.700My only problem with what Ferryman was doing was I'll just mute.
02:48:01.560That'll be my thing. Ferryman, you're going to say what you will about PPC.
02:48:05.240That's fine. But I felt that you were taking a moment that was a minus 50 point event and you were using everything you could to direct it towards PPC is over.
02:48:13.860ppc's dead ppc's over ppc's dead and i saw endless amounts of that and me and you have always talked
02:48:18.940when shit gets hot on tweets we get together and we talk which is why i started this off by going
02:48:24.500hey maybe we can chat about this and you wanted mods so i'm like okay fine we'll do it with mods
02:48:29.560but i thought that the first time we talked having the you know people all around us in like uh fairy
02:48:36.560camp that was just not letting me talk to you which we normally do we could do it on your
02:48:40.780fucking youtube channel or whatever you do it but that normally sorts things out but i didn't feel
02:48:45.860that you were being genuinely i want to help the pbc it's tended to have a tone of taking something
02:48:51.880that may have been a misstep it was a misstep okay it was a misstep to take a photo it's not
02:48:56.960a good look but i didn't think it was the mortal blow that i felt you were broadcasting it as
02:49:01.700all right fair enough i mean you did deny that it was a misstep for for i don't know the first
02:49:09.500No, in the first debate we had, I said, no, this is actually, if I'm talking to other PPCers, I'm going to say that's a bit cringy.
02:49:15.720But when I see you saying it's the end of PPC, that forces me into a defensive position.
02:49:21.020It's not, oh, he's just Max Bernays, dick in your mouth.
02:49:24.320No, it's you're putting me into a place of defense by overcooking the event that happened.
02:55:00.620and if you're right and you know that i've been espousing that from the beginning
02:55:04.860no vote i don't care about votes i care about participation when someone says i'm gonna vote
02:55:10.980ppc i quote tweet them and say no you've got to live ppc you've got to wear a fucking shirt around
02:55:16.560while you're shopping to let people know that it fucking exists 100 we're totally on the same page
02:55:22.260in this regard and if you're if you're somebody who doesn't like party politics and you're not
02:55:26.900amenable to that that means that you have to get engaged in whatever a nationalist organization
02:55:32.080some kind of NGO some kind of political body that's actually trying to change things
02:55:38.020outside of the voting process like this this is not going to be won through votes and legislation
02:55:45.640it's going to be won through a triumph of the will of people actually choosing to get engaged
02:55:50.940in the process at the grassroots level so it again that that's ultimately what i'm getting at
02:55:57.560i focus on getting people to tribe up and actually engage in positive experiences and learn how to
02:56:04.240organize themselves and that's not as simple as just like we're all going to get together
02:56:07.560this requires people to actually learn how to engage in logistics to learn how to manage large
02:56:13.120groups of people if you want to organize a protest in this country you need to be a very good
02:56:17.600organizer especially if it's a right-wing protest because you're going to be met with all kinds of
02:56:21.780nonsense like these are skills and tactics that we are fucking weak on and we need to correct that
02:56:29.020right now being able to mobilize large groups of people to specific political causes is something
02:56:36.120that we are terrible at and the best example of it was the convoy and that was a clusterfuck
02:56:41.900okay that was a that was a ragtag group of pissed off people who just showed up and basically had a
02:56:47.920street party and i was there the whole time and it was amazing and it was beautiful and all those
02:56:52.700things but if you think that that wasn't a one in a million moments that will never be recreated
02:56:57.780like i don't i don't know what what delusion you're living in that was something special
02:57:02.080the odds of that happening again are very small and i don't even know if i want it to happen again
02:57:06.820because the problem with it is that it was disorganized there was no logistics to it there
02:57:11.320was there was no intention behind it it was random i'd go farther to say it was intentionally
02:57:16.640disorganized it was from the top it was always compromise i would agree and and so this is the
02:57:22.600problem is you need to be actually engaged in this organizational process that's how we actually
02:57:29.340fix this you can't just sit there and consume content but like honestly this is one thing
02:57:34.640where i will say the ppc was there with hundreds of people helping out it was jim torma and max
02:57:40.180Bernier and Randy Hillier who when the press conference like we had Dr. Hodkinson and a bunch
02:57:45.540of doctors who were trying to do press conferences while BJ Dichter was talking about Bitcoin and how
02:57:50.060he has Gad Saad's new book and that day someone needed to pick up the slack and say no we're
02:57:54.740having a press conference and it was Jim and Randy Hillier who were getting Bruce Party and
02:57:59.700all these guys together and doing serious press conferences when it was purposely being hidden
02:58:04.820from view there was a purposeful strategy to say we don't want any cbc in here we'll show them by
02:58:10.840not inviting them in as if they're not going to tell their tale of the convoy without our input
02:58:15.200now so i would say that ppc has been out there and every time we come out there is some group
02:58:20.740that is gatekeeping it accusing ppc of just wanting to sap up attention you just want to
02:58:25.620hijack this for politics so when we try to come out we're trying to hijack it for politics but
02:58:30.400we can't have both where it's like we're not getting active we're trying but there are many
02:58:34.820groups that are like holding and clutching the ring and desperately fearful of ppc ever getting
02:58:40.600a drop of accountability or credit for anything because you saw what happened in the dutch
02:58:44.260farmers protest they connected it with a populist party and they went from zero to majority it's a
02:58:48.760different system it's not like ours but it still went from nothing to something overnight by
02:58:54.000connecting a freedom movement with populist politics and there is that fictional germ that's
02:58:58.240been inserted freedom movements have to be divorced from politics even though our demands are
02:59:02.780exclusively political well see i yeah i agree with you but again this is one thing that i don't see
02:59:10.000a lot of from the ppc and like a perfect example and honestly if i can just say this i'm i'm kind
02:59:15.900of uh it why didn't the ppc uh you know broadcast their support for that mass deportations rally
02:59:24.520that happened in hamilton you guys support mass deportations right i was actually going to ask
02:59:29.840this 4.9 million will be gone if pbc is elected because they fall under the term of illegal or
02:59:35.320expiring right so the question would be do do you think max should have like retweeted that image
02:59:42.560of those i think he could have commented on it i think he could have said you know like look again
02:59:47.920it's about defending your fringe radicals and and loaning them support um i i mean i guess he did
02:59:53.880like you know the acceptable thing which is he didn't like criticize them and say oh you shouldn't
02:59:58.760be doing this in black masks and you know you you should show your face publicly i mean that's easy
03:00:03.800to say look again i actually saw that criticism a lot from ppc people which is like oh you know
03:00:09.200proud patriots show their faces it's like okay you do it why isn't the ppc doing it you have the
03:00:14.160party you have the infrastructure you have you know the the the email lists and all the stuff
03:00:18.920that you could easily organize this why don't you do it and you can all show your faces and dress in
03:00:22.980PPC purple. You support mass deportation. So it's not an issue with the message. Why don't you do
03:00:28.560it? And that actually is a criticism, which is the PPC street presence is pitiful. And like,
03:00:34.840that's not, that's not just a criticism of the PPC either. I mean, all right wing Canadians have a
03:00:39.240pitiful street presence. And usually when they have one, it's some vague, you know, kind of
03:00:44.700assertion of like freedom or like, you know, maple MAGA or something. It's basically fuck Trudeau
03:00:50.240nationalism where the only thing we really care about is you know fuck trudeau or something and
03:00:55.120let's you know march through the streets and chant freedom like this is not i think it's not a viable
03:00:59.940political movement you have to start targeting so a look at how effective that mass deportations
03:01:05.580rally was with 15 to 20 guys in black block holding up a sign with three words on it look at how how
03:01:11.600much pull that got look at how much support that got among your average canadian that that's a
03:01:16.340popular message that's a majority supported message and these guys did it so like if the
03:01:21.580ppc does like that's how you get exposure you're saying like you need to wear a purple shirt and
03:01:27.620walk around so that people know who we are why don't you do why don't you do these kind of flash
03:01:31.940mob demonstrations that would get massive support people would like it and yeah fair enough like but
03:01:38.400but i i look on the inverse of that and say but we do support all that in policy and it's not worth
03:01:43.780Like, I feel like we should at least get some credit for being a million light years better than every alternative hated by all alternatives.
03:01:51.480But at some point, we need to be good enough to not be in this ultimatum circling of support of us of like, I'll support you today, but tomorrow.
03:24:33.440You want to appeal to the working class man or woman.
03:24:37.760You know, you want to continue to be able to be accessible to regular Canadians.
03:24:42.080But, you know, when you have when you have a policy that is deportation, it's like you should be willing to get out there and get called racist all the time.
03:24:50.900And on the other hand, with with with Diagalon, it's kind of continues to be there.
03:24:56.460You know, there's probably at least a handful or at least some people who, I don't know, work for CESIS of the RCMP who are like running around with like, you know, accounts that have Diagalon flags in them, pretending to be Diagalon people trying, you know, trying to infiltrate.
03:25:11.220I'm sure that's happening as well. So there's also that fear as well.
03:25:14.820But, you know, the important thing is, is to, is to, you know, keep our eyes on the prize and not kind of let these subvertive people not allow us to focus on accomplishing the goal, which is reversing this radical demographic change that we're all kind of experiencing.
03:25:41.080There's been several people come and go, but we can just.
03:25:45.340Well, actually, I did think of one thing to kind of tell ferryman, actually, because I was at the PPC conference this this summer and I interviewed some of the candidates and there was this one guy.
03:25:58.680Oh, my God. What was his name? Shoot. I got a great interview with him. He he's a black man.
03:26:05.300i forget where he's from i'm not sure but he gave he's a candidate and he gave like a such a
03:26:13.300passionate speech and i was like man that was the most like patriotic speech i've heard from like
03:26:20.020anyone here and it's like i'm just kind of juxtaposing it with like you know my white
03:26:24.300friends that i grew up with it would be it's like it's like it like night and day and it's like how
03:26:29.220was it some foreign black dude is having so much more fiery passion for like the freedoms that we
03:26:35.640get to enjoy here and you could kind of see it in his face he came from a place where they did not
03:26:39.760have freedom at all and like that fiery passion i was like damn like that's that's pretty awesome
03:26:45.260you know well look at duchene sure but so again this is like just because you love canada and
03:26:54.880you're patriotic to canada doesn't necessarily mean that you're canadian in the same way that
03:26:59.920like you know you'll you'll like i don't i don't know how to put it any other way that's just the
03:27:03.520reality you may not like it okay and i don't like it either and i consider them traitors to their
03:27:09.920own people but that doesn't mean that the the leftist is not canadian just because they have
03:27:15.700leftist views so look i get it this is where it's confusing but ultimately as like you have to think
03:27:22.920of it like this you may like um you know your friend more than your brother but your brother
03:27:29.560is still your brother and your friend is still your friend you can hate your brother you can
03:27:33.480have a vitriolic disagreement with your brother but ultimately at the end of the day he's still
03:27:38.600your blood and no amount of disagreement can change that in the same way that no amount of
03:27:43.320agreement on something means that your friend is now you know your blood and if that means blood
03:27:49.300means something to me okay like these things matter to me and it goes the same way it's like
03:27:55.800you know you may have a child who's like a wayward child and you know my parents probably feel like
03:28:01.220that about me but ultimately i'm i'm still their son whether they like it or not and i know that
03:28:06.140they still love me and i still love them and so like you know we we may disagree you know
03:28:11.300vehemently about you know politics and stuff like that but we're still family and so this is what
03:28:16.560you have to understand and that's why it's it sucks because i actually feel for these i wish
03:28:21.000these leftists would come around because they're family and i see what they're doing you know to
03:28:26.200the rest of their family they're destroying their blood they're destroying you know their kin so
03:28:31.880like to me this stuff matters and while yes i may agree politically more with i don't know um
03:28:38.740you know some some black guy or some you know persian or whatever that doesn't make them my
03:28:44.660family that doesn't make them my blood right yeah that's fair i guess the only reason i brought that
03:28:53.100up is because you know uh i don't think there's any reason to push these people away from you know
03:28:59.020fighting the good fight for the ppc you know what i mean well it would be much easier if they could
03:29:05.100understand like so for example like it it's it's it's disrespectful it's disrespectful for these
03:29:13.760people to just assume that they have a canadian identity and i'll give you an example like i would
03:29:17.660never dream like let's say hypothetically i moved to japan and uh you know i i learned japanese and
03:29:24.400i assimilate into japanese culture i would never dream of assuming that i'm japanese and that's
03:29:29.720what's so disrespectful and kind of like infuriating about these people they think that
03:29:34.440because they say what we want to hear and maybe they genuinely believe it that doesn't matter
03:29:38.960the point i'm getting at is like this this belief that like uh you know you you have an indian with
03:29:43.840an indian accent and he comes to you and says but i am just as canadian as you i have canadian
03:29:48.580values and i agree like i am with you and like we believe in canada first again it's like but
03:29:53.560you're not though and and the fact that you don't understand that is why it's so disrespectful
03:29:58.400like the the fact that you think that you can just talk me into believing that you're canadian
03:30:04.340because you say certain things is incredibly disrespectful it shows it shows a certain level
03:30:10.220of contempt for for who we are as a people and you know what it means to be Canadian right so
03:30:16.620I I hear what you're saying there but I guess my my sort of point is like this man that I spoke to
03:30:23.760in this example he's someone who is very afraid of living under tyranny so his sort of thing is
03:30:31.620like hey this party wants to stop that because he's aware of like you know how canada's taking
03:30:37.500a turn for the worst and i guess from my perspective it's like well this guy is doing
03:30:42.360shit this guy's showing up he's in a suit he's ready to pound the pavement he's ready to push
03:30:47.080our ideas so it's like you know look i don't i don't know this guy obviously personally or even
03:30:52.660you know by reputation or anything like that but what i would say is if he's such uh you know a
03:30:59.280an amazing fighter against tyranny and he's such a proponent of freedom it's kind of weird to me
03:31:05.100that he would abandon his homeland and his own people to come here and fight for freedom here
03:31:11.200so if if he truly is such a great fighter if he truly is such a passionate you know activist and
03:31:17.400all this stuff why didn't he do it there why why does he have to come fight for freedom why does
03:31:23.200he have to be canadian why why wouldn't he look if he truly believes it if he like you know deep
03:31:29.240in his soul is willing to die for it you know i'm willing to die for it i'm willing to go to jail for
03:31:34.680it i'm probably under multiple police investigations just for my speech and so like i'm willing to pay
03:31:40.920the ultimate price what if he was then why didn't he where he was that's that would be my question
03:31:47.480i mean i i don't know the answer to that question but that's the very standard if he can't be you
03:31:55.460know apex sigma then you gotta go back no no i'm not saying like that's not what i'm saying i'm
03:32:03.240just saying genuinely that's a strange thing to me it's like whenever you know you get um people
03:32:08.320who come here from these regimes and they're they're like oh i um you know i came to canada
03:32:14.420for its freedom and because it's such a great country and all these things and i really believe
03:32:18.540in the you know the concept of this and that's why i'm here to fight tyranny it's like well why
03:32:22.980didn't you do it in your own home if you if you really can't abide tyranny if you really want uh
03:32:29.440to have uh freedom if you believe in freedom for all people why didn't you fight for it for your
03:32:34.220own people that's a very strange thing to do i mean i don't do i don't know like the what it
03:32:40.300looks like on the ground in the country where he came from but i i would imagine the answer would
03:32:44.920be it's completely untenable uh based on you know the state of the society of where he came from
03:32:50.420Like, I'd imagine that would kind of be the answer where it's kind of like, you know, surviving and escaping the country is kind of just the most logical next thing to do.
03:32:58.700See, it's funny, though, here as well, because I think it's interesting that you get so many people and like this is something that obviously irritates all of us.
03:33:08.360you get these foreign diaspora populations who come to canada and they say they they make demands
03:33:14.100for like you know a free calistan or a free whatever palestine or you know free iran from
03:33:20.060the irgc or free you know it's it's a never-ending parade of foreign diaspora politics
03:52:34.660I'm just talking in the context of speaking with ferryman.
03:52:38.140It's not really a big deal to me to, you know, I don't want to put it all on Diaglon or think everyone is Diaglon.
03:52:43.460but what we were talking about right now was in the context of diagonal and i'm very happy to say
03:52:49.960yes there's a lot of white nationalists and i think that it's out there to look at the data
03:52:54.720and say is there more white nationalists or are there more civ nats or are there more cultural
03:53:00.100nationalists who are the ones that are most affected by what's going on right now who are
03:53:05.040in the largest number i can guarantee that it's a growing number of white nationalists but i also
03:53:09.840think that there's an incredibly strong argument for what the doctor on here was saying Dr. Ricardo
03:53:14.080about uh cultural nationalism and I only mentioned Civnat as a way of saying I'm not
03:53:20.000white exclusive in who I would want to vote for PPC I think that that's a limiting thing and I
03:53:26.720don't see any precedent for that anywhere on earth as as having worked Sean Alex I think you're a
03:53:32.760smart guy do you think that culture is up or downstream from race
03:53:37.240it's part it's not one it's not a binary no no no just give me an answer is it i just did
03:53:45.280if i'm given a false dichotomy i'm going to increase it the scope of what you're saying
03:53:51.200and correct the question that it is part of religion nationality race uh it's it's a mix
03:53:58.560of things but it is not solely ethnic he's right okay sean go ahead yeah curious fairy um what
03:54:07.120is the utility of going after the ppc like this has been an excellent conversation tonight and
03:54:14.860i'm there you go you got your answer you didn't get to talk much in calvin cam loops there but
03:54:19.900i'm thinking we're probably on the pretty much on the same page right like you say you don't see a
03:54:25.900a political solution to this but the overton window in this country has moved rapidly
03:54:31.780and the ppc is it's a large spectrum of people right and not everyone sees what we see
03:54:40.520but why would that's like the fucking ira going after shin fein
03:54:45.740right like being involved and having these kind of conversations and moving the ir hang on the ira
03:54:54.480did go after shin fein whenever they negotiated and accepted you know bullshit terms all right
03:55:01.100I wouldn't say that PPC has crossed any lines, though.
03:55:04.820I'd say that that was my entire argument, Ferryman, was I know, I've long known that you view yourself as a pressure on movements to keep the Overton window going and keep PPC moving to a more extreme position to get on the radar.
03:55:19.180and i'm just saying where's the line and where's the uh cost benefit analysis of if you're going
03:55:27.220to put everything in terms of an ultimatum and one photo makes you launch a lot of tweets saying
03:55:33.900that pbc is over it just seems like very unreliable support it seems like very bipolar support you've
03:55:41.960you've missed the crux so first of all you you again you've missed the crux like this is a tactic
03:55:47.240like you guys understand this right causing controversy gets you what you want it gets you
03:55:53.140a conversation that you want it gets you the attention that you want being offensive is part
03:55:58.160of it and so you may think it's childish you may think it's over the top you may think it's
03:56:01.780exaggerated but to answer sean's question we're having this conversation right now because of the
03:56:07.840actions that i took in the wake of that photo and basically i've been able to expose my view
03:56:13.220and introduce you know these kinds of concepts to a much larger audience and predominantly ppc
03:56:18.500audience it seems like because i took that offensive approach if i had gone with me criticism
03:56:24.340and said oh this is not a great look from mac max he shouldn't do this like it's not that big of a
03:56:30.920deal but like you know this is not really the way to go nobody would care but if i go out and i go
03:56:36.360guns blazing and i say this is terrible this is the end of the ppc you guys are fucking up this
03:56:42.300is incompetence all of a sudden we're engaging in the conversation aren't we
03:56:45.920yeah i guess but it's like i don't know how do you do an accurate audit of how much good versus
03:56:53.820bad you did i mean you live in a sphere where everyone's going to be going yes this is good
03:56:57.020yes it's good but there is a huge swath of people that are not you know uh entertained by this stuff
03:57:03.400and they're turned off by it what's the majority of people that you influenced with this right
03:57:09.320aren't in this conversation and you you said earlier they don't want it they don't want to
03:57:14.560be part of it i'm the only one who likes talking about uncomfortable shit a lot of people just
03:57:18.860want to move on and go look i just want to pursue something that we can affect and i don't want to
03:57:23.720be tied in with something that i think will get us uh black labeled yeah well and to what you said
03:57:29.460right like i want to have the conversation i don't care i've never been afraid of having a
03:57:34.400controversial conversation but many many pbcers are not like me and they want to row forward and
03:57:40.000they don't want to take any of the drama that's associated with very volatile support that seems
03:57:45.960to be very emphasized on the negative and bleeding uh compliments to it and not really like it's it's
03:57:53.520different realms it's a completely different realm and that's why i said i think you should
03:57:57.140start a political party and i'm sure you will but we are we're not starting a political party and
03:58:03.460we haven't hid this at all we are starting a nationalist organization it's very close to being
03:58:07.660launched and and the intention with it is to do exactly what we've been doing in a more
03:58:12.480concentrated and effective way and you know more street movement more uh community building
03:58:19.160of of the right uh you know type of guys who can uh you know commit the right level of engagement
03:58:27.300so like we are working on this and it's you know been a long process and obviously finding the way
03:58:32.360to do this without being labeled a terrorist organization or you know being uh attacked like
03:58:39.120you know this this takes some some nuance and some um you know careful planning so it is in
03:58:46.300the process we haven't really hidden that and so i'm sure you'll see that in the in 2025 um you
03:58:52.380know it's it's basic it's not again it's not a secret um the name is out the the branding is out
03:58:58.140like this this is we're doing it so it's happening um but again uh you you said like you know most
03:59:05.340people don't engage in this space i mean dude there was almost 500 people here in here at one
03:59:10.360point which is pretty big for a ppc centered space it's like if saying that most people don't want to
03:59:16.640engage in this conversation i think is incorrect um they may disagree with me or they may disagree
03:59:21.680with you but they actually do want to hear these conversations and um i i think that uh you know
03:59:27.640we both acquitted ourselves pretty well and i think that i hopefully i gave the ppc some new
03:59:33.980kind of concepts to think about when they think about nationalism when they think about who they
03:59:37.660are as a people when they think about the direction they actually want this country to go
03:59:41.500like these are important things all right let's forget that yeah that's why i like talking to
03:59:48.460you fair i mean because you're incredibly reasonable when we talk but it seems to get
03:59:52.720very incendiary and hyperbolic and all kinds of shit when it just goes into tweet mode which i
03:59:59.480thought i hate looking at my phone tweeting responding to 50 different people saying the
04:00:04.020same fucking thing and hitting send rather than just talking about it that's why that's why we're
04:00:08.600having this uh that's why that's why we're having this conversation though to try to make it a more
04:00:14.280high order conversation and actually get into the nitty-gritty and and not just constantly
04:00:18.540bitch at each other and turn it into this flame war uh but i think you know ferryman does make
04:00:23.540a good point which is what i think in a way uh the ppc needs to do which is like kind of be
04:00:28.380like because this would be one of my criticisms of of the sort of tone and message of uh maxine
04:00:35.940bernier's twitter sometimes it's a little bit it's too calculated it's too trying to be correct
04:00:40.640about everything it's true well there's this and then i'm going to be balanced it's like no you
04:00:44.500should be more controversial you should be more of a troll it should be more provocative uh and
04:00:49.580simplistic maybe sometimes childish i don't know childish but like you know there is room for
04:00:55.400improvement there i think for sure and i like it's the reason someone said earlier why don't
04:01:00.860you want to be a candidate or something because i hate being locked into representing other people
04:01:06.580than myself i hate not being able to be wild and say whatever the fuck i want so i do mitigate my
04:01:12.340judgments of people that are public figures that do have to be positive joiners of people it's
04:01:17.620cringy as i can't go into a chat room without destroying it like with you here i disagree with
04:01:24.900i don't think you understand how much freedom you have as a ppc candidate trance you get you like
04:01:30.020i've been one you you are way more personable and likable than me greg i'm sorry it's just
04:01:35.780is and i'll say this i had interactions with probably half a dozen ppc candidates over this
04:01:42.800controversy and i don't think that they were in any way being told what they can or can't say by
04:01:47.900hq so i mean i got wildly different kind of responses on things so it kind of tells me
04:01:54.540that they're not really yeah you're right max lets everyone pretty much be themselves it's a
04:01:58.960very big tent and that's you know it's just me when i feel like i'm representing other people
04:02:04.860it puts a level of responsibility on me that i like to just shoot my mouth off and and piss
04:02:11.380people off yeah but i mean i completely disagree with that i completely disagree with that i mean
04:02:17.680max blocked me for politely telling him that you know pandering to cheats is not the the way
04:02:24.180forward you know this is a huge problem this is actually like i'm glad glad tmac brought this up
04:02:29.580which is guys if maxime ever wants to win an election he can't block half of fucking canada
04:02:35.280okay is he blocking i don't know how to state there is still an overestimation of like how
04:02:42.060much is happening in on when i see online ppc versus irl ppc it's really a different block
04:02:49.300and in like kelly lawrence in alberta had huge gains like 10 or something he got of the vote
04:02:54.980with like 100 x followers like it's a bigger world out there this is global and when you
04:03:01.980focus on door knocking and subvert all the digital mechanisms to censor ppc it is a much bigger world
04:03:08.100uh than what we see i think i think you make a great point trans but at the same time uh you
04:03:15.040want to have as many of your digital warriors like on your side to you know be uh adding to
04:03:21.580the ratios and that sort of thing like i think it's a powerful thing that uh should be utilized
04:03:27.260and it's actually one of the strengths of the ppc as well i don't agree i don't agree with the mass
04:03:31.660blocking i don't agree with the mass blocking but there has been a hundredfold bot army that i've
04:03:37.980not blocked into existence but muted into existence by being a ppc supporter and i think early on that
04:03:44.620was happening with the project can sell a of completely animated attacks jumping over every
04:03:50.140post max had and i think that that was a natural mechanism to say okay they won't appear if they're
04:03:55.260blocked and and that just turned into a reflex of anyone that passes a certain rudeness level and
04:04:01.820anyone that says they're blocked i do a search of their name and then i search max bernier and i
04:04:05.740usually find that they're being as rude as the automated bots are that follow max around for
04:04:11.100years well it's not an excuse guys i'm just saying it's a mitigating factor i would rather he mute
04:04:16.620them i was being extremely polite to max and you know all i said was you know these people are not
04:04:23.740canadians the the hindu nationalists you know they're not canadians and they need to be deported
04:04:29.420too and you know i i feel like that is a pretty uh level-headed uh position to take and max blocked
04:04:37.440me over that and you know blocking your your constituents over uh voicing a reasonable opinion
04:04:43.420like that is fucking ridiculous yeah and this look i i admit because some people get blocked
04:04:49.360by max because they're being like ludicrous right they're being over the top but man there's ppc
04:04:55.620members who have gotten blocked by max for for because they get a little heated or something
04:05:00.580i've had multiple ppc members be like max blocked me like they're a paying member of the party and
04:05:05.800he just like that's not how i'm sorry man it's not how you like it's it's an immediate way to
04:05:10.560ensure that you've forever lost a vote because that person is never going to see the stuff that
04:05:16.300you you write in the future you're never going to be able to turn them around to win them over
04:05:20.700to bring them back to your side you've basically said fuck you i don't want your vote and then why
04:05:25.480would you expect them to give like it's just a terrible strategy and there's very what's the
04:05:29.780utility and even blocking them too you know like like i can tweet the most vile stuff at trudeau
04:05:35.920at polyev they're never going to block me because they're a federal party leader like by principle
04:05:40.420you should not block people on that principle alone because the only result is you have people
04:05:45.600like tmac and ppc supporters who care that's why they commented and like if you're like if you're
04:05:51.480blocking them it's like what is the strategy here you know like it doesn't really make any sense
04:05:55.360now i want to move on though because i feel like of all the issues that's kind of a you know
04:05:59.940um anyway i hope it's good feedback for headquarters uh i need to eat something and
04:06:06.340to sleep soon but do we do we hear from johan yet did you want to hop on and say something
04:06:12.180and then we can wind it down guys okay yeah hi guys i'm from sweden in scandinavia and uh
04:06:20.260i i think it's just an important thing to say that we have free health care here and we have free
04:07:01.460thank you so much for that that's a really good idea actually okay listen this is a lost viking
04:07:06.740sir we're gonna have to get you to go back on your long ship and uh i don't know uh where you
04:07:11.320parked your car we're in canada but um you know maybe we should have free health care you know
04:07:17.080maybe once the right people are in charge we'll do that but um uh thank you thank you for tuning
04:07:22.540in i appreciate it henrik from red ice follows him it's very strange i uh i thought for sure he
04:07:30.140he was trolling or something um do we want to get anybody else up here i'm about uh
04:07:36.560okay awesome well since i i think trans bowed out if there's any kind of closing statements
04:07:45.140whatever you want to made if either you want to make some closing statements very many before
04:07:48.900you go i think it sounds like we found some common ground here like i think both of them
04:07:52.220make closing statements please uh yeah like because because let me just give my assessment
04:07:56.580real quick i feel like we've found some common ground here and that yes um you know the ppc
04:08:03.120could have some spicier messaging some better messaging they um you know can try to be more
04:08:10.060controversial and get in the news and that sort of thing um and on the other hand i i don't think
04:08:15.640i've ever heard this from you know from the ferryman camp before but it's like you it sounds
04:08:19.880like you understand that although it's not part of the political system it all is still politics
04:08:25.860at the end of the day like you do still need to kind of be diplomatic and try to win people over
04:08:31.280because i just feel you know there are people who follow diagonal or whatever that are sometimes
04:08:35.940like they kind of reject that notion entirely of we don't need to be diplomatic at all and we just
04:08:41.020kind of need to do our own thing and that's um you know it sounds like on the space you kind of
04:08:46.420mentioned that like no there needs to be a plan there does need to be some sort of um uh method
04:08:52.620to make our ideas more popular so look you
04:08:58.800you have to be pragmatic and you have to be able to be diplomatic but unless you have teeth
04:09:07.280unless you have added unless you have an unwillingness to compromise you don't get
04:09:12.360what you want and this is this is part of the strategy which is look think about simple
04:09:17.000negotiation tactics if you want a five dollar raise you ask for a ten dollar raise because you
04:09:23.260negotiate down to five so if if i want canada to be you know 85 90 90 percent you know white again
04:09:32.260then i'm gonna ask for 100 i'm gonna ask for 99 i'm not gonna i'm not gonna negotiate from like
04:09:39.200oh if we can just get rid of like a few of these international students that would be
04:09:42.880good i guess like that's weak that like this is this is not a good negotiating tactic and so
04:09:49.320again when the ppc was saying oh we need to reduce immigration that was weak when they start saying
04:09:55.140moratorium and even you know i've read the policy moratorium is kind of like a a misnomer because
04:10:01.860they're saying like a moratorium on what was it permanent residencies or something like that but
04:10:07.680they're okay with international students and temporary workers they just want fewer of them
04:10:12.000like you know because those are sorry go on i was gonna say i don't really like the term
04:10:16.740moratorium because it's like if i tell an apolitical friend they're gonna be like what
04:10:20.540the hell is that is that is that like a building the the best line is mass deportations now which
04:10:27.000is a pretty popular expression i mean in the european context they're going with re-migration
04:10:32.300that's been popularized by martin selner and the the austrians uh you know continental europe and
04:10:37.880now it's spilled over into the you know the english and so that that's becoming a pretty
04:10:43.480popular slogan remigration i guess it's a little bit softer than mass deportations but it's the
04:10:49.260same thing ultimately um so like yeah yeah if you want to like you have to start approaching the
04:10:57.240problem from a position of strength and you know an unwillingness to compromise um if you want to
04:11:02.640get what you want and this is just the problem with canadians is they'll compromise away their
04:11:07.360entire existence and so you know that that's what we're trying to embolden is this again it's this
04:11:13.000fighting spirit it's this unwillingness to negotiate this unwillingness to compromise
04:11:17.420this uh you know this it needs teeth you have to have some aggression you got you can't be a a dog
04:11:26.180without a bite and all bark it's never going to work you have to be able to you know be aggressive
04:11:31.560in these situations and i've proven that i've proven that it works you know i don't know if
04:11:37.220you can say it's me myself but the very fact we're having this conversation is because i had teeth
04:11:42.100and because i approached the problem with aggression and an unwillingness to compromise
04:11:45.820and a fuck you attitude that's why we're here right now that's why 500 people listen to this
04:11:50.840so like again the what whatever analogy you want to use the greasy wheel you know the squeaky wheel
04:11:56.800gets the grease or you know the what whatever you you this is the approach that you have we have
04:12:04.280over 5 000 engagements right now let's go let's go and we we really appreciate everyone being
04:12:10.060respectful tonight i feel like it was a productive conversation trans did you want to say anything
04:12:14.440before you go yeah sure it's just that i was the one pushing for this and i think you were a little
04:12:21.420reluctant early on ferryman but uh it is good to talk about this stuff but i do think that we're
04:12:27.920talking about different realms like you can celebrate the rules free realm of being a radical
04:12:32.620But being a public persona, trying to get votes from all of Canada, you can't like you never had to draw the line tonight.
04:12:39.580You never had to say what makes Karima stay. You never had to say this is all I don't think you know, she doesn't say.
04:12:46.860So like so I see the rhetoric get reasonable when we're talking, but it goes to a complete level where you can't expect Max to endorse what's happening outside of the realm where you're in, you know, the clubhouse where anything goes to the political realm.
04:13:01.320So I'm talking about things that are possible in a certain set of rules and a certain set of restrictions.
04:13:06.440And I get that you're pushing it and you're pushing the envelope.
04:13:09.460But there's also forces that have been trying to push the envelope way too far.
04:13:13.700And I think that there is some sort of line where we need to know where does it stop and where is it where is it valuable as as an ally and where does it go to be where you're a Kinsella operation doing exactly what they did in 2019.
04:13:26.260so so i know that you're reasonable when i talk to you but i also know that you've got a certain
04:13:32.240set of things that are getting engagement that guide you and a certain thing that happens with
04:13:36.880a lot of conservatives too where they don't want to unify under a banner of anything what's that
04:13:41.980poll in the comments tonight and and you tell me who people agree with okay what are you talking
04:13:48.020about a twitter poll that's gonna just justify whoever retweets it whoever puts more effort into
04:13:53.020you think that's science is that conversation the people that were listening to the conversation
04:13:59.080okay i mean okay it's all right that's not really it's just a twitter poll but like yeah it's a
04:14:04.300twitter poll i don't think that's science i think you need to probably just see who's retweeting it
04:14:08.520the most and who cares about winning the argument and saying they won over having a discussion
04:14:12.940i'm proud of every point i made early on i thought that the doctor came in keep huffing on that
04:14:18.220copium it's not copium dude i i'm completely happy with debating ferryman and i think even
04:14:24.620he would agree we both had strong points and we both you know have areas where we conceded some
04:14:30.560ground so if you want to be a tribalist uh jockeying up that totem pole to suck that dick
04:14:36.220then keep going bro i i just want to point out i think it's interesting that you think
04:14:41.000you were the one pushing for this i think that's very interesting i mean i know you asked for it
04:14:47.860wait okay hold on hold on this isn't going into any any productive territory no no i know i want
04:14:53.860to hear this wasn't i i mean you you were but i mean you kind of did exactly what what i wanted
04:15:00.740you to do because you brought all of the ppc this was the ppc was the one driving this it's being
04:15:07.140hosted by a ppc member uh all the ppc leadership was tagged in this um the i looked through the
04:15:14.100majority of people listening to this space were ppc supporters and they all listened to me which
04:15:20.660they never would have so like you gave me exactly what i wanted so thank you for doing that you guys
04:15:26.420have heard where we're coming from we've always heard that though there's never been anyone that
04:15:31.460silenced you or was trying to keep you on the back burner no but what i'm saying is i could
04:15:35.220have never gotten this engagement if i hadn't acted the way i did and and then you came right
04:15:40.420and i couldn't have got the distinction that ethno nationalism is just a spoke in the wheel
04:15:44.820and it's not the entire wheel so achieving that was fine with me that people agreed with
04:15:50.020do you think that people okay now guys we're not we're not going to have this conversation
04:15:53.380yeah i think that it's a biased issue that depends on what lens you're coming from silly
04:15:57.780silly and petty let's wrap it up here yeah great go ahead uh we found some we found some common
04:16:03.460ground we found some differences and we're the point is it's a good thing that we came together
04:16:09.860get together to have this conversation because i think it was very productive and it was civil
04:16:15.380now the real question is what what what are we going to do when the headline comes out where
04:16:20.240it's like because people's party leadership rubbing soldiers with diagonal on oh my god
04:16:28.900what are we going to do when that headline comes out um were they though let me give well they're
04:16:34.940going to you know that that's obviously a possibility let me let me give you the let
04:16:40.900me give you the play on this one if that does happen you say yeah so what and then you and
04:16:45.800then and then you move on exactly that's a better tweet actually about the fact that they're not
04:16:50.520apologetic yeah yeah i agree well i just want everybody who is listening right now to go and
04:16:56.680vote in the poll that i just put up in the jumbo uh you know okay this is democracy
04:17:04.620let me see let me see who's retweeted it okay ferryman's retweeted it uh who else derrick uh
04:17:11.340yeah dag dag and dude if you think that's scientific this is pointless celebrating a w
04:17:18.380in the clubhouse shouting match we won we got a more debate okay it's very amazing content this
04:17:24.540is great hey we're gonna wrap it up you guys are the fans of elections and democracy and voting and
04:17:30.060stuff all right this is your territory not mine okay and we'll we will end on that i really
04:17:37.180appreciate everyone coming out i respect people being respectful i thought it was a productive
04:17:42.380conversation and yeah thanks thanks again for your time everybody uh end it though so yeah no
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04:18:00.760anything else you want to say before we go rachel gentlemen you guys were amazing i've learned
04:18:04.520something everybody was super respectful i don't think anybody dropped an f-bomb i mean you guys
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