Francis Widdowson and Mia Hughes are in hot water for asking questions about transgenderism and the pride flag raising ceremony on Parliament Hill. We talk about the controversy, the flag raising, and what it means to be gay in Canada.
00:03:00.180What's going through your mind right now?
00:03:01.840What are you feeling? You said this is your first flag-raising, pride flag-raising event.
00:03:06.120It is. It's my first time. And honestly, I've always wanted to attend one of these.
00:03:10.340I do regret that I missed the Trudeau years because that would have been hilarious.
00:03:15.440But this is, to me, they have no idea what this flag symbolizes.
00:03:20.940They think that it symbolizes tolerance and inclusivity when it's the flag of homophobia, misogyny, and the atrocious medical abuse of children.
00:03:30.860So I find it, it's just so dark that they raise it on Parliament Hill every year.
00:03:37.940And I've always wanted to see the ceremony that goes with it.
00:03:42.580Yeah, I remember, this was back in 2020, it was Pastor Archer Boblowski.
00:03:49.360He gave this great speech during a protest and he pointed over to the prime minister's office and he made a comparison to the Nazis.
00:03:57.140He said, you know what, Hitler did what he got in. He put up his own flag.
00:04:00.860He didn't put up the nation's flag. He put up his own flag.
00:04:02.960And that's what they're doing with this with this rainbow stuff.
00:04:05.320So that was kind of his hot take on it. Right.
00:04:08.680Yeah. I mean, it's a human rights violation not to fly the flag.
00:04:12.840Remember the town in Ontario, the town of Emo, they had a human rights complaint against them for not flying the flag.
00:04:19.920So it's not a sign of, you know, that you're supporting these people willingly.
00:04:25.540It's it's authoritarian and you're forced to do so.
00:04:29.040otherwise they'll bring you up on a human rights violation so no they're not um they're bullies
00:04:36.460and they like to force everybody to pledge allegiance to their frankly dangerous and
00:04:44.160devastating movement but their days are almost their days are numbered it's almost over they
00:04:50.540don't realize it yet but it's true i like that attitude i like that attitude it's almost over
00:04:56.560it's almost time to wrap this whole thing up we've had our fun we've confused enough children
00:05:02.800now i think it's time for you know grown up to show up and kind of uh you know i think no one
00:05:09.280here knows that let's look at the crowd i don't think anyone here apart from us knows that it's
00:05:14.640almost over all right we're arriving at the ceremony
00:05:26.560here we go hey yeah we I don't have I'm with daisy media with daisy media
00:05:55.880shout outs to chris dacy he's here somewhere is he in there i think we can go over here right yeah
00:09:17.060It's an honor always to be here with everyone here, and we need to prep before we come here, just like anyone else, we sit with our medicines and we listen, that's what our elders remind us.
00:09:46.060is to sit and listen because the universe has a way of telling you and reminding you.
00:09:53.000And when I was sitting with my medicines, I was reminded.
00:11:01.220I'll bury it in my hands. They won't find it there.
00:11:08.220And then Buffalo spoke up and said, well, you can give it to me, and I will take it to me, and I will bring it up there, and I will bury it into the ground.
00:13:22.860This is Francis Widowsend with her commentary.
00:13:26.660Okay, so it's interesting with the pride celebrations is there's quite a large overlap between indigenous kinds of political developments and the LGBTQ and actually the two-spirit aspect is part of this.
00:13:52.960So, and there's still kind of arguments about where this two-spirit idea came from, but evidently you can't be non-Indigenous and have two-spirit. It's a total Indigenous thing. And we had the 2S element that was actually incorporated into the whole initialism, LGBTQ2S, etc., etc.
00:14:15.200so this knowledge keeper this is a knowledge keeper that's been brought out here to provide
00:14:24.420us with some indigenous insights what's a knowledge keeper a knowledge keeper is someone
00:14:33.020who's been designated so you have to be designated not every and it's usually some political process
00:14:40.520which has determined us anyway they give it's like it's like a spiritual figure that gives some
00:14:50.280element of supernatural like reference to the supernatural that's brought in
00:15:00.120yeah but it's it's much less regimented than like a pope has got all sorts of
00:15:06.120institutional things where as a knowledge keeper it's basically whatever political entity that's
00:15:13.180in place has decided that this person is representative of some kind of knowledge
00:20:53.480Canada, each one has its place. Each one is free to be himself.
00:20:59.480When each one of us can be fulfilled in its full position, express itself, continue in our economy and in our communities, Canada is the most important.
00:21:13.480When we stand up for all the rights of all our fellow Canadians, we strengthen our own.
00:21:22.480In a time where unfortunately around the world there is a backlash struggling against the progress that has been made.
00:21:32.480In this time, Canada will always stand up for the vulnerable and for the equal rights that we cherish.
00:21:39.480Yes, we can take pride in how far we've come, but we should also recognize that there is much more to do.
00:21:47.480Far too many Canadians continue to face hatred and discrimination because of just who they are and whom they love.
00:21:56.480And that's why Canada's new government is supporting Fiat Save Canada Pride,
00:22:00.480to ensure and help have successful and safe Pride celebrations across this land.
00:22:17.480and we are making this is not it you know an announcement for today it's an announcement
00:22:24.280for time uh we're making funded funding permanent for the two-spirit lgbtqi plus
00:22:40.360We will establish a new program in vitro, which will bring these treatments more abundantly.
00:22:52.360We will also increase the funding of the international aid program, which, across the world,
00:22:59.360allow to fight against the persecution of people who have sexual orientations or different identities of people.
00:23:21.360Today marks the start of a series of events, marches, and celebrations.
00:23:27.360And Canada will be strengthened by those events, by those celebrations, by the solidarity and courage that they sometimes have to represent.
00:23:37.360We will be strengthened by those acts.
00:23:41.360You know, Aristotle once taught that virtue is like a muscle that grows rejecters.
00:23:48.360We become just by doing just that, free by doing great enough, empathetic when we show up and see, when we are kind, kindness grows, when we are Canadian, Canada grows. Pride is pain.
00:24:09.120All right, I wanted to sit down, but...
00:24:18.120Celebrating pride today, through this month, through every month, week, day, hour of the year, together, for an even stronger and fairer Canada.
00:25:21.120Before we begin, I want to acknowledge that I'm joining you from the traditional and unceded territory of the Algonquin Nation.
00:25:29.120I'm grateful we're grateful to live work and gather on this land and also I'm
00:25:35.540gonna thank Dylan Jenkins for being with us today as our knowledge keeper and
00:25:40.160Dylan said something very important yes let's give him a round of applause
00:25:46.360he said something really important in his opening he said walking in our truth
00:25:52.100And in order for us to do that, do you want to make some commentary?
00:25:59.100So my name is Richie Valdez and I'm honoured to serve as Minister of Women's Speech.
00:26:07.100She's the Minister of Women and Gender Equality.
00:26:14.100But she said something about truth, walking in our truth.
00:26:20.100And what does that mean, to have walking in, like, what are they talking about?
00:26:23.880And what you'll notice when you use the word truth, they don't mean truth the way it is typically defined,
00:26:30.800which is some kind of universal understanding of reality.
00:26:35.000They mean what they believe to be true.
00:26:38.100So if a man who's a sperm-producing individual believes that they're a woman,
00:26:45.180that is that person's truth that everyone should affirm.
00:26:49.300And that's where we've gone terribly wrong with all of these initiatives, is that, as Mia said, we need to be tethered to reality, and this is a complete untethering from reality, which is a serious problem.
00:27:03.580because if we don't have a common reality then anything anything goes and we have i was just
00:27:12.860talking to albert and robin about the non-binary surgery that the ontario ministry of health has
00:27:20.040had to pay for because there's a man who wants to keep his penis but also have a vagina dug
00:27:27.180out of his insides and then have a colon inserted and that's his truth or her truth or its truth or
00:27:35.240whomever but he is both female and male and needs manufactured genitalia from both sexes
00:27:43.840it's really quite shocking but that's what you have when you have no truth no universal truth
00:27:50.720and it's just whatever people believe then you have monstrosities like the kind that we're seeing
00:27:55.820today being celebrated like this flag that's being being they're rising up that is a symbol
00:28:06.080of unbelievable dysfunction that is being celebrated and we need to stop this and
00:28:14.760these politicians they are going to be held to account for everything they've done to
00:28:20.280foment and enable this contagious. Like, listen to this. These people are just cheerleaders
00:28:28.740for something they don't even understand.
00:28:30.240I heard of Paul McHugh quote recently, and it was,
00:28:44.060If you make the truth whatever I say it is, then it means that whoever has the power to define truth will assert their own way of seeing the world, when truth is not tethered to reality.
00:29:00.320And Canada has been in that world for 10 years, where people with serious psychiatric problems, paraplytic desires, and an anti-reality way of thinking have been the ones who have asserted what is true.
00:29:21.800and we're here right now to see the raising of the flag that symbolizes that but i do think that
00:29:29.480as i said on the way in here their days are numbered the backlash that khani was talking
00:29:36.360about it's real and they're not going to stop it because they've done so much harm to so many
00:29:44.360people in society not just children but women lgb ironically the backlash is going to continue
00:29:52.600it's going to get stronger and eventually we won't have this flag being raised on parliament hill
00:30:07.640yeah that raises a question about left behind like you have mental illness you have a mental
00:30:12.920illness you get your body parts chopped off and you still have the mental illness
00:30:17.800so if you ever want to really leave someone behind then that's how you're going to do it
00:30:23.320so we're just not thinking rationally about this matter and hopefully today
00:30:28.040we'll at least make some effort to say
00:30:31.080you're imposing your space on everyone else well you can move away it's a free country
00:30:53.640no i'm not going anywhere else yeah i might go ahead it's a free country
00:31:01.080You are being really disruptive right now.
00:31:04.080This person is sort of talking about sort of everybody.
00:33:17.320Yeah, I know. It's like, well, like, I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of whatever they're going to do. But the Canadian flag is a geographical symbol, so anything. And it can be whatever you, you can just kind of having arguments about what Canada should be. But that flag is a terrible flag. That is, that's not even the pride flag. That's called the progress flag.
00:33:43.940Every person that I know hates that fact.
00:43:40.660Just let me explain, because you guys are going for the people who are trying to come in here and try to get them to come, and while they're doing their event, we're just going to ask you that you move to the lawns to allow them to ask to leave without being impeded with them.
00:43:53.120Well, I feel like we're off to the side here. Like, if they want to leave, they can totally just go that way.
00:43:58.440And take care for the stuff on the ground. This is technically for tours, this is not for events. I'm just asking you to move to the lawns, that's it.
00:56:12.880now would be a good time to step in because we're, you know,
00:56:15.080we're trying to show people what it's all about. Show people participating.
00:56:21.760I can talk to so many people in Ottawa like this and really speak freely because I got
00:56:41.020discipline for having the wrong opinion basically yeah well thank you anyway what's up
00:56:49.960yeah so many people like this uh it's like if i'm out of a job my wife my wife is going to hesitate
00:56:56.820if i take uh right can i record your voice or uh no no i may jump in later okay cool okay
00:57:05.040you're welcome to record my voice that will keep my name sure
00:57:11.920Well, the thing is, I've been running around with my camera, so I don't know if you may have come up on the background or something like that.
00:57:41.920Hi there. Sorry to interrupt. Did you guys go to the flag raising? Hello. Hello. Okay. I guess they're deaf, maybe? I don't know. I guess they're part of the LGD. D for deaf. I guess they were deaf or something. I guess they were snubbing me. How's it going, sir? Good. Good. We're doing a thought experiment today. Did you come from the flag raising?
00:58:09.640oh did you want to do a thought experiment okay hey how's it going hey guys we're doing a thought
00:58:21.340experiment today did you come from the flag raising or i don't think i've ever been snubbed
00:58:27.900so many times by snooty people in ottawa it's crazy the snubs in ottawa are like unparalleled
00:58:34.660yeah i can't sleep at night because of the horrible things that i do and participate in
00:58:39.600cool hey guys how's it going good did you come from the flag racing awesome yeah the pride flag
00:58:51.360yeah so we're doing uh i'm streaming the experiment yeah we're asking the question
00:58:57.060can you be born trans and you can say strongly agree strongly disagree and we have a couple
00:59:01.840uh would you like to participate no well the whole point is is to start with that start with
00:59:09.080the question start with Charlie disagree and then we have a couple
00:59:12.560professors that kind of like walk us through like the reasoning from there
00:59:15.100that makes sense we could be record just your voice that works okay sure
00:59:25.760absolutely okay so come on down and your name is anonymous looks like we have
00:59:35.480somebody. I'm going to make sure I don't get you on camera. This guy behind me doesn't want to be
00:59:47.180reported, but he can report his voice. So maybe he's just going to cover his mind. But we'll just keep you waited for now while we get to this person, if you don't mind.
01:00:00.780And do you think that gender dysphoria and trans, like, is that the same thing?
01:00:06.880I think that if you persist into adulthood, you might call yourself trans if your genders work and it's never swayed and nothing has alleviated it at all.
01:00:21.880yeah um but that is it like you can sorry um yeah sorry um but yes i i think that if gender
01:00:31.320dysphoria persists into adulthood there are people who would call themselves trans
01:00:35.960but i don't believe in the literal definition of someone who's born in the wrong body
01:00:41.640um i'm just not sure i'm just trying to figure out how you guys are different from one another
01:00:46.520or you would just say gender dysphoria,
01:00:50.760it makes no difference whether it's gender dysphoria or not.
01:22:38.820There's a range of influences that could determine this.
01:22:42.320I agree with most of her points that she made, I don't take, I take a secular position though, so it's not a spiritual thing, I like what Mia said about propensity towards, I think this is a very important point because you have to define or decide what a propensity towards a particular sexuality or gender or whatever, what it's determined by.
01:23:09.320and if it's determined by chromosomes or hormones or whatever you could be born
01:23:18.860with it it could be it could happen during birth and it could affect your
01:23:23.540brain and your brain could and I don't know I mean it's a lot of debate about
01:23:27.980to what extent brain scans show propensity or not I know I've seen foreign
01:23:34.340and con arguments for that so the reason why I sit here because I think that and
01:23:42.580I speak about adults here not children I totally agree children are too young to
01:23:48.780know now the problem is is that there if we agree that there are people who are
01:23:54.440trans who would become trans when they're adults they're comfortable with
01:23:57.860that however we define it that means there must be some proportion of
01:24:03.320children who are going to become trans when they're adults.
01:24:07.120We don't know which ones they are and that's the problem because an adult doesn't know
01:27:11.820exist in this kind of odd space i'm just saying that's an option that should be an option
01:27:17.900and given the problematic outcomes of some of those interventions it probably is a healthier
01:27:30.380not for all for some not just not to be coached not to take the hormones
01:27:35.180not to take the blockers but i i don't i don't quite understand why you think that there's this
01:27:39.660propensive like what why wouldn't it just be parents influencing their children so
01:27:49.260so let me let me think i'm distinguishing two different things here one is a very small but
01:27:54.140very small proportion of the population who are naturally let's say five
01:28:00.540then there's a larger proportion of the population that we know is exaggerated by social influence
01:28:05.660So if we take the Stats Canada data that say 0.33% of the population in Canada is trans or non-binary, if we take that as fact, and I'm just saying it's the only data we have, we know that for the population between 15 and 30, it's double that.
01:28:27.280So there's something going on to that sector of the population that doesn't happen to the overall population.
01:28:34.020If you go to the United States, the data for the 15 to 30 year olds is like 5%.
01:28:38.680So what's going on, such as in Canada, it's 0.67% and in the U.S. it's 5%.
01:29:50.820but what I'm saying is they're born with a being gender non-conforming and then the gender dysphoria
01:29:59.740is a response to it's difficult to stand out as a kid it's difficult to be different if you're the
01:30:05.520little boy who loves ballet sparkles barbie dolls the kids are going to be mean to you and you're
01:30:10.420going to know that you stand out and that will make you want to be a girl because that's the
01:30:14.540way you can blend it there's your gender dysphoria that kid's not trans because no one's born trans
01:30:19.960But you're just making that statement, right? You are insisting on that statement, but you agree there's a propensity for different gender, different sexual orientations, various things, right?
01:30:31.060So the one that you disagree with is the one where I'm going to...
01:30:35.300Actually, this is why I distinguish between those who transition in the sense of surgery from those who don't have any surgery, don't take blockers, and so on.
01:30:47.440I think it's a different group of people, right?
01:30:50.160I'm talking about, so there could be some who say,
01:30:53.280I feel like I'm a woman, I'm not gay, I'm not a male, that is,
01:30:58.500but biological male, I feel like a woman,
01:31:01.500and that's the way, and I don't want any surgery,
01:31:04.320that's the way I feel, and I'm going to call myself trans.
01:31:06.980I have no problem, and I think, I mean,
01:31:09.680it does depend on how you define it, right?
01:31:11.680If you say there is no such thing as trans in biology,
01:41:29.900It's a very touchy subject for both me and my mother. It's, uh, homosexuality, just people, you know, move on to somebody else. I, uh, I woefully misunderstood what the question was.
01:41:45.960The reason why I was bringing that up is not because I'm trying to say that they're equivalent or anything, but I'm just trying to say that in the debates that went on about homosexuality, it was argued very strongly that it was innate.
01:42:02.380There was a very strong argument with that. Now with trans, we're not sure. There's very different views on whether it is something that is biological and something that you're born with, or whether it's something, as I think it was just Mia is arguing, which is culturally determined.
01:42:22.380culturally determined and it's a it's a psychological response I mean I'm gonna
01:42:27.420say it it's a psychiatric disorder and those are the two reasons why a person
01:42:34.380would come to the conclusion that they are transgender now the psychiatric
01:42:37.940disorder can be in response to whatever life challenges you have and if you look
01:42:44.660at the symptom pool which is this wonderful concept by a medical
01:42:47.940historian edward short-term the symptom pool is just the recognized set of disorders in your
01:42:53.380culture at your time and so if you're distressed and you hate your body maybe you're just going
01:42:57.780through puberty you can select trans uh from the symptom pool because it's in the symptom pool of
01:43:03.140our time but it's always a response to some kind of psychological trouble or difficulty in life
01:43:09.620and so you may know people for whom transition was right or identifying as trans is right but
01:43:16.420there's a reason why each one of those people came to the conclusion that they
01:43:20.500are that they want to live as members of the opposite sex and it's not an innate
01:43:24.340reason it's a psychological reason or a paraphilic reason in terms of the
01:43:29.700evidence for that is what makes you so sure that it is this psychological
01:43:36.500response to whatever's going on or if it's psychological why would it not be
01:43:40.660and ace that the two are not exclusive exclusive to each other right well yeah i guess you could
01:43:47.060be born with a psychological proclivity towards a certain thing so i want to ask you another
01:43:51.620question because you're racist like let's take the the gay lesbian phenomenon then after that
01:43:56.980we're going to go to roots sweater and then we're going to go to i love turfs t-shirt oh i love turfs
01:44:01.780i want to bring in i love turfs why did you distinguish why did you distinguish um the
01:44:07.380phenomenon of trans from gay lesbian then because like i think it's a natural phenomenon it's you
01:44:15.460know four percent of the population recaptured um so why would you not think that trans is has
01:44:23.060similar attributes but a much much smaller percentage did you want to go i'm jumping
01:44:28.580with the answer you can um the reason why it's different from being gay and trans is that you can
01:44:33.380actually measure gayness in a person you can measure whether they experience arousal you can
01:44:38.260see it in their brain it is something that has concrete evidence that exists transness gender
01:44:43.860identity that has not been mapped out on the brain at all some argue that you can do brain scans and
01:44:48.820you can see it the only study that people like playing to in the study they said okay compared
01:44:55.780to males trans women and they got a specific type of trans women they got ones that were
01:45:01.780preference was, I'll get to that in a moment, but a very specific type of trans woman, and
01:45:07.840they're like, their brains are similar to women. And there was some similarity, it wasn't
01:45:13.080exact, but at the same time, even though their brains were more similar to women than men,
01:45:17.620their brains were actually most similar to gay men. So what was being tracked wasn't
01:45:22.680gender identity, it was arousal. Well, you said that, but you can argue it the other
01:45:29.660way right but i think it's that's kind of what it seems to me that would be one piece of evidence
01:45:34.620that could like result in people saying okay i'd be more accepting of this yeah
01:45:40.220and in that study there was some way of determining that there was some characteristic of the brain
01:45:45.580that was uh and if there was i would definitely move because if we lived in a world where we could
01:45:51.100do a brain scan and completely say that someone was trans then i'd be more would you move to i
01:45:57.580would probably honestly depending on how concrete this evidence was i might even move to like a
01:46:02.220greater slightly degree depending on so because if we had a concrete to diagnose this then you know
01:46:08.780what suddenly these operations might have more cause to them but we don't and we we don't put
01:46:15.340any sort of like measurement to whether a person is trans when they say they're trans if trans was
01:46:21.020actually a biological symptom or biological in nature then i would absolutely agree that search
01:46:26.620would be an option but that's just not true the matter of the fact is that it's mental in nature
01:46:30.780and it's always been mental in nature you choose if you want to mutilate your genitals
01:46:35.980all right let's get the person with the spiciest t-shirt on into the circle
01:46:41.420i love turfs have you been following along what do you think of all this what do you think of all
01:46:45.660this well here's also a bit of context i am a lesbian so would you like to hear my perspective
01:46:51.740as the resident mo of the circle absolutely so no i don't believe someone could be born trans
01:46:59.440mostly because to me as an observation it has been a social contagion okay my ex-fiancé transitioned
01:47:06.960after a traumatic event and her mother died so she immediately tried to throw herself in the mat
01:47:11.780because that was the easiest way of maintaining contact with a community right lonely isolated
01:47:17.460people are going to fall into things when they are vulnerable and people prey on that and people
01:47:22.900did prey on that she transitioned now maybe about four or five other people in her immediate social
01:47:31.360circle including her sister also transitioned because generally they're mostly online they
01:47:37.020live in a very biopic echo chamber right the same thing if you see many spaces like okay so on reddit
01:47:42.280that's going to be an echo chamber you're constantly being fed back a loop of your own
01:47:46.600feelings, your own opinions, whether or not they're actually rooted in reality, right?
01:47:51.200So again, it comes back down to loneliness and community when it comes down to self-sustaining.
01:47:55.640I have never met a single person in my life or heard of a single person in my life who
01:48:44.460they're not they're not mentally male there's nothing mentally male about that it's just they
01:48:50.220want to go do those fun activities and so a lot of the times young girls will project that and
01:48:55.020be like i want to be a boy too no they just want to go do little boy things but at this point in
01:49:00.220time like they should realistically be able to do that without being questioned or enforced
01:49:05.740upon an ideology that has nothing to do with being an actual child like we are so obsessed
01:49:12.780with controlling whether or not like this activity is for boys this activity is for girls and we're
01:49:19.260trying to like people are out here trying to say like we celebrate celebrate gender non-conformity
01:49:24.060but you're still forcing kids into a binary of one or the other like oh you're a girl and you
01:49:28.540play with boy toys and you must be a boy if you're a boy who likes to play with like girls clothes
01:49:33.980and you must be a girl it's still a binary but that's still an adopted mentality from the parents
01:49:39.180not the child yeah so what about in terms of evidence in terms of becoming less certain
01:49:46.300about your position yeah is there any evidence that would make you um less on the strongly
01:49:53.340disagreement no i'm very like i'm one of i'm someone who's very very confident in the fact
01:49:59.980that no like you cannot be foreign trans it is a choice sorry if i produced a brain scan
01:50:07.580showing a commonality amongst women, in other words, men who transition to women, that show female so-called, I'm using that term loosely here, obviously, brain characteristics that would be consistent with if they thought they were women.
01:55:29.920This is about the, you're getting onto the brain scans.
01:55:32.920Yeah, the person who thinks they're blind, if there was a brain scan that showed the part of their brain that thought they were blind, does that make it legitimate?
01:55:41.920No, not necessarily, because obviously blindness is determined by something else.
01:55:45.920else. Sex is determined by a lot of gender. But the case of trans is not the same. It is primarily a thinking
01:55:54.520psychological person. It's not an eyeball. It's not a physical thing. Blindness is actually determined by something. But transness is a belief. But if you believe it, it's still valid for some reason. But if this person believes that they're blind, it's not necessarily valid.
01:56:09.800so i got a great hypothetical that i want to ask everyone but before i want to you brought
01:56:14.760up something that i think is like so crucial to this topic which is you brought up like kind of
01:56:19.480people being chronically online and then filling their so like how big of a role do you think that
01:56:24.440plays in this cultural contagion today a lot it's like this is what i put this phrase i said earlier
01:56:29.320it's a myopic echo chamber right like yeah you're constantly going to be fed back your own opinion
01:56:34.920if you were never looking for opinions that might disprove you right like right i talked to a lot of
01:56:39.720different people every single day like it's it's funny to me after having this last election so
01:56:44.760many people coming up to me assuming that i voted liberal no i absolutely voted conservative because
01:56:48.840they were the only party that was willing to sit and listen to me which is funny enough because
01:56:53.160you would think that the liberals would want to hear from the constituents right no they don't
01:56:56.760they don't want to they want to keep drive forth the narrative same with people in these types of
01:57:01.480record papers they want to drive forth the narrative right gay history is being rewritten
01:57:06.040Canadian history is being rewritten to suit these specific narratives why because there are so many
01:57:10.360of these people sitting in these echo chambers turning their phones thinking that this is the
01:57:14.040right thing to do because generally no it's not like you're inviting a lot of change and inviting
01:57:19.160a lot of chaos at a time when it's already chaos so a couple more things um when it comes to like
01:57:26.120being chronically online it's kind of it makes me think of a couple things
01:57:31.400pornography is online people are becoming addicted to their phones
01:57:35.060potentially porn as well and then along with that I feel like a defense
01:57:39.440mechanism that a lot of like pro trans or pro chance kids people say is no no
01:57:44.600this has nothing nothing to do with sex okay that's another fun thing spend
01:57:49.160about five minutes on Lex in Ottawa you will find a grown adult in their 30s
01:57:55.800specifically looking for people of the age of 13 years old so that they can
01:58:00.420mentor them about their sexual orientation or gender identity is that
01:58:03.900seem appropriate what's Lex what's that that says a queer app it's essentially
01:58:08.940queer Twitter right okay like you can go on this app here in Ottawa there was
01:58:17.420someone like in their mid-30s I claimed to be a counselor specifically looking
01:58:21.760for uh youth of the age of 13 years old so that they could mentor them and i'm saying like
01:58:27.600okay you can't control what your kids are up to like outside of house you definitely can't control
01:58:31.840who they're talking to online and when they're in spaces like discord where they're having people
01:58:36.640doing like oh don't worry i can coach you through this they're absolutely being set up to be groomed
01:58:40.800by predators and predators are looking for these opportunities everywhere that's why we had like
01:58:46.320I guess I brought this up earlier talking to someone else.
01:58:48.080Two years ago, Faye Johnstone and friends had that little pity party parade
01:58:52.940wandering down the street advocating against the rental guardianship, right?
01:58:57.900These echo chambers breed these kinds of ideas
01:59:00.400because they think the most basic thing about being a child
01:59:03.520or being disciplined as a child, like being in your fucking room, is abuse.
02:04:06.380You're right, but I think my point is still valid.
02:04:08.460Yeah, I get what you mean, though, that, like, gay people and lesbian people,
02:04:11.600they tend to on average be non gender conforming that is a phenomenon that is documented very well
02:04:19.040yes it does exist but what does that have to do with anything why can't a man just be a feminine
02:04:24.720man why can't we have a masculine woman yes but we live in a society right now where if you are
02:04:30.560a masculine woman you must be a man that wasn't the point i was making i was saying that in some
02:04:36.320I would say there's no correlation between gender and sex because there's a high proportion of people who are male who act like men, right?
02:09:56.320when i think about pride now i just think of sexual degeneracy and more advocacy for things
02:10:04.080i don't believe in and choose not to associate myself with yeah it's like yeah it's about the
02:10:08.500same sex loving each other loving each other loving each other why are they not actually
02:10:12.980like you know whipping each other like bumming in the street like that's not what we were about
02:10:17.920if you want to know we're at home man you're gonna have sex at pride do it at home yeah what
02:10:23.440is wrong with you um i'm not here for the voyeurism i don't like that uh one last question for you
02:10:28.940would be you know someone who is at this event today who's very much like maybe that maybe they
02:10:34.840have trans kids like or maybe they they have a friend who has a trans kids they're deep in the
02:10:39.100sauce yeah like what's the one thing that you would try to say to like get through to them
02:10:45.080oh that's a heavy one yeah can you solve this problem yeah it is kind of a big a big uh ask
02:10:52.480right okay assuming it's like their kids or like they're like they have kids
02:10:56.160they're teenagers or something like that like i would have to ask them is supporting something
02:11:01.840like this so blindly worth medicalizing your child for the rest of their life and shortening
02:11:08.000their life by maybe a good 30 years is that worth supporting this because it's the right thing to
02:11:12.720do with the time yeah i think blindly supporting is a good yeah good support good adverb we really
02:11:18.880really need to start scrutinizing especially the medical processes those are things that
02:11:22.880desperately need to be looked at especially if you're a parent because if you're pushing it on
02:11:27.280blindly you don't always know what the consequences of medicalization is going to be sure there's
02:11:35.120risks that come with it things that are happily ignored when you're going through the process
02:11:38.960and then years later they become consequences that catch up with you and we're seeing that
02:11:41.840now with the e-transitioners and the e-transitioners are not getting the medical support that they need
02:11:46.240on top of that so yeah is that worth it yeah and speaking of which i i feel like every time i bring
02:11:53.320up the detransitioner talking point they're like oh no it's a myth the numbers aren't even that bad
02:11:57.140that's crazy talk so the numbers aren't even that bad it's crazy talk so not that long ago the
02:12:04.260numbers for trans people used to be less than one percent now we're trying to claim that it's over
02:12:07.900four percent of the population that's wild so if the numbers aren't that bad if the numbers for
02:12:13.320trans people can grow that big that quickly do you not think the numbers of detransitioners can
02:12:19.100do the same yeah yeah uh did you want to plug any social media or anything or shout out to uh
02:12:26.900any of your turfs out there uh no i'm really not big on social media i i'm not the type of person
02:12:35.200that likes to stay online too much if you see me out and about feel free to say hi cool friendly
02:12:41.640like that awesome awesome well yeah unless there's something you want to add like thanks so much for
02:12:46.760participating i saw you with the shirt on i'm like i hope i hope she comes to say something you know
02:12:51.160like yeah yeah all right cool awesome yeah thank you cheers all right do you want to wrap up this
02:12:59.720live stream let's do uh let's do a quick huddle we're still live streaming yeah so so what did
02:13:04.680I thought it was somewhat chaotic because we went to the University of Ottawa and we came over here and we had a lot of, thank you so much.
02:13:16.680You can still talk to him, I just want you to record it with a good camera.
02:13:19.680Yeah, so I was a bit discombobulated, I've got to admit, and there's so many Mervyn parts, but I thought there were some great conversations that took place and this is the kind of thing that needs to happen.
02:13:31.680but I don't know how successful it was in terms of getting down, drilling down into the assumptions.
02:13:39.980Yeah, so it was confusing because I don't think we ever managed to speak the same language
02:13:46.700and it's always a problem because it's so hard to find trends
02:13:51.760and so nobody was ever really talking about the same thing at the same time as far as I can tell.
02:13:57.120the mother-daughter battle or disagreement that I think just added a
02:14:03.080really hilarious element and they were lovely
02:14:07.580she left thinking that she was going to think about a lot of things that she
02:14:12.460said so that's a success but it's just I think laying down the terms and
02:14:17.620everybody making sure that they're talking about the right thing is how you
02:14:20.320have a successful conversation and I don't think we managed it. I think it was successful in the
02:14:24.500sense that everyone kind of left with more interesting thoughts in their head than when
02:14:30.260they came but i think it's correct what mia was saying that i was i was getting more and more kind
02:14:36.500of confused about how to kind of where to proceed like what's the next yeah to go which does happen
02:14:43.780especially if you've got lots of people that are involved and you're not you're not really tracking
02:14:50.100what's being talked about i i felt like there was a lot of sort of like speaking past each
02:14:54.420other yeah excuse me but the brain scan was interesting that seems to come up time and time
02:15:01.460again i didn't get to weigh in on brain scans so what was your thoughts what's way in now i don't
02:15:07.940really i didn't hear what they were saying they're saying that if we could get some linkage between
02:15:12.900the brain and people who believe that they will be trans then this would move us closer to having
02:15:19.140some kind of objective kind of actual identity that was rooted in something that was tangible
02:15:26.020as opposed to just being a feeling that someone had okay so that would make them move more towards
02:15:32.900the the born transposition if you could get a brain scan that was linked to the trans identity
02:15:41.380well sure but that's like saying if you can find something that detects auras then i'll believe in
02:15:48.180already yeah but that's kind of the evidence like like it's for me it's a little bit
02:15:56.020interesting to try to get people to think about like almost in terms of this idea of
02:16:00.660falsifiability there you go completely like you know falsifiability there isn't any of that in
02:16:07.540trans discussion well i told the guy yeah well if it's just a feeling and he's like whoa that's
02:16:12.100like so just he said dismissive or something to call it just a feeling and i'm like well
02:16:16.100it seems pretty fleeting like you know it's something that's powerful we feel feelings and
02:16:21.280it's like they're hard to measure it's it's quite it's quite a mess like like the conversation i'm
02:16:28.040like man this really is a mess when people are coming from you know biological physical mental
02:16:33.560spiritual emotional and it's like yeah it's crazy i thought it was a little bit chaotic but still
02:16:44.040it's you know these things are successes just by happening yeah like that's kind of like we're
02:16:49.960trying to say look this is not a taboo subject this is an important social concern that we
02:16:56.520should be addressing and this allows us to do it whereas in other contexts you can't
02:17:02.840in the universities for example it's really hard well sure and i think um our little commentary on
02:17:09.960on the flag raising generated some strong feelings and probably some people went away
02:17:16.040thinking about us yeah you you had someone you had a gay guy behind you being like stop being
02:17:21.860hateful you're being hateful stop it and i was like uh sir you're the one being disrupted right
02:17:27.600now if you haven't noticed uh that was my favorite part of the day well and i had there was a man who
02:17:32.660came up to me and took a photo right in my face with his phone and took a photograph yeah in a