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00:10:30.000 hello everybody hello good evening good morning good morning good evening good evening good

00:10:54.960 evening. Good morning. Got my Patriot propaganda mug. And yes, some fluorinated, fluoridated,

00:11:06.220 fluoridated tap water. Hope everyone's doing well. I know you guys were complaining about

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00:11:53.800 Welcome to the stream. Prairie, good evening, everyone. Good evening. Chucky's Extremist

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00:12:07.680 sir, Slavador Deli. Art story, Legend of Nelda, Tears of the Incel. That is a name.

00:12:17.680 That is a username right there. That is a screen name right there. Yes, welcome to the

00:12:23.620 stream. Tonight, we're going to be reacting to Ian Runkle, also known as Runkle of the

00:12:31.920 bailey on youtube cool guy he's talking here to um what's his face from toronto sun we'll be

00:12:40.720 reacting to this video they talk all about bill c63 and uh yeah mr runkle is a mayor mayor he's

00:12:49.360 a lawyer so we'll be hearing his kind of take his criticisms of bill c63 really looking forward to

00:12:57.240 it i think we're gonna get some good stuff out of that that's gonna be the main event tonight

00:13:01.100 um yeah you know there's oh man there were so many things that came across my twitter feed

00:13:09.140 this morning though that i'm like oh my gosh there's just so much to talk about there's so

00:13:14.560 much to talk about there's so much to get into um but i thought you know great you got to focus

00:13:19.440 you got to focus on saving free speech you know that sure sure are there are there hordes of east

00:13:25.340 indians coming into canada yes there are is there a is there a crazy battle going on right now 0.61

00:13:31.220 between candace owens and uh uh daily wire people yeah yeah it's quite interesting um

00:13:38.460 but i gotta keep my eye on the ball here gotta keep my eye on the ball and get ahead of the game

00:13:44.600 in terms of stopping uh bill c63 focus all my effort on that um

00:13:49.940 but uh it's just crazy isn't it it's so disorienting when you when you open up twitter

00:13:56.760 these days all the different things happening and who's doing anything about it you know

00:14:01.820 it's unbelievable it's unbelievable um and yeah i also said uh you know calling all

00:14:11.480 calling all patriots or calling all political prisoners that's another thing that i might

00:14:15.260 to kind of brainstorm just kind of live on air with you guys,

00:14:18.740 which is the idea that, you know,

00:14:25.780 even a conservative party supporter,

00:14:29.900 even a Pierre Polyev supporter,

00:14:33.260 he might, you know, they obviously don't like Trudeau,

00:14:38.060 but they might be a low information person as well.

00:14:41.500 You know, there's probably some conservative party supporters

00:14:43.820 who was like oh yes the you know the trucker convoy was was too far right like there probably

00:14:51.180 is a collection of conservative party supporters who who kind of are in that camp they still watch

00:14:57.960 some mainstream news potentially and even to talk to these people about bill c63 to say hey it's the

00:15:04.920 end of free speech um they might be like what do you what do you know what do you what do you mean

00:15:09.580 what are you talking about um and i guess the idea is

00:15:15.480 we have all these different political prisoners in different forms there's the jeremy mckenzie's

00:15:23.340 of the world there's the archer pavlowski's of the world there's the the lovely nurses from

00:15:28.120 frontline nurses you know there's these many different organizations that's just a few off

00:15:32.220 the top of my head uh there's past other pastors hildebrandt um there's a lot tamara lich chris

00:15:43.220 barber you know and on and on and the thing is naturally not surprisingly they're all they're

00:15:51.600 all focused on fighting their legal battle you know as a political prisoner you have to

00:15:56.200 deal with your legal nonsense that the state is putting you through and i guess it's the idea

00:16:02.160 of simplifying

00:16:04.840 and honestly quite frankly

00:16:07.380 you know

00:16:08.020 maybe even just commodifying

00:16:10.540 their story

00:16:12.360 in a sort of like bite

00:16:13.780 a little bite size thing

00:16:15.460 that is quick

00:16:18.700 and gets to the point of

00:16:20.460 hey I'm a political prisoner

00:16:21.380 this is happening

00:16:24.080 this happened to me

00:16:24.880 because of my political opinion

00:16:26.800 this happened to me in Canada

00:16:27.880 and I guess the idea would

00:16:29.220 to basically create

00:16:31.780 a highlight reel of all the political prisoners in canada and just kind of quickly and effectively

00:16:38.020 show uh canadians like hey this is um this is happening this is uh here are such examples

00:16:46.020 because i think almost by design that's uh that's not at people that's not the forefront

00:16:56.460 that's not at the forefront of everyone's mind because of the influence of pierre polyev and his

00:17:03.300 um you know watered down conservatism and watered down reader uh leadership which is very much

00:17:09.940 uh you know just more more of the establishment status quo because of this really weak leadership

00:17:15.780 we it's not that we forget but it's it's not um it's not at the forefront of everyone's mind all

00:17:22.500 that's at the forefront is we need to vote in the other guy right we need to vote in the other guy

00:17:26.960 nothing to do with these alarming trends alarming trends of tyranny authoritarianism

00:17:35.020 what's the other one dictate dictatorships there's all these words right all these words and uh

00:17:43.840 you know i don't know if the words do it any justice especially for people who haven't heard

00:17:50.680 of this stuff you know if you believe our our rights and freedoms are being taken away then

00:17:57.360 yeah you'll probably sure authoritarian you'll hear these words and be like yeah i agree with

00:18:00.960 that but for someone who doesn't think that using those words might just be kind of like falling on

00:18:06.360 deaf ears and they'll be left kind of thinking this this person's crazy what are they talking

00:18:11.020 about whereas if there's more of a compilation of hey here's a story of a whole bunch of different

00:18:19.080 Canadians who are being targeted for their

00:18:20.960 political beliefs.

00:18:23.840 I don't know what label you

00:18:24.980 put on that, but it's bad news.

00:18:28.500 Like instead of

00:18:29.040 maybe the label

00:18:31.040 you would put on it is, hey, political prisoners.

00:18:33.120 People persecuted for their opinions.

00:18:35.520 Like that's something that people could

00:18:36.940 understand, right? They could see it

00:18:38.420 that people are being persecuted

00:18:40.560 for speaking freely and just having the wrong

00:18:43.020 opinion.

00:18:44.660 I'm thinking like that might be more powerful, you know?

00:18:49.080 More powerful.

00:18:51.900 If that makes sense.

00:18:54.940 Let's see if this works.

00:18:57.120 Try something here.

00:19:06.840 Yeah.

00:19:07.440 Sometimes I'm doing a lot of note writing on the screen

00:19:20.180 So I thought I'd just

00:19:21.120 This would just be an idea

00:19:23.520 Like giving a sort of quick script to a political prisoner

00:19:26.200 Hello my name is

00:19:27.320 Jeremy McKenzie for example

00:19:29.300 Once I started

00:19:30.360 Criticizing the RCMP in Canada

00:19:33.320 I was persecuted by

00:19:34.900 I was smeared by anti-hate

00:19:36.580 I was, um, he would have a long list in this year. Like what happened to him in terms of being

00:19:44.860 persecuted and, and now my life is different would be the second gap. But like, you know,

00:19:50.720 having some sort of formula to give to each political prisoner, they'd fill it out and

00:19:55.160 maybe like make a video about it. And then also them saying at the end, I believe I was targeted

00:19:58.800 for my personal and political beliefs. Boom. And then make some sort of a compilation of that,

00:20:04.840 you know

00:20:06.480 that sound crazy

00:20:10.160 does that make sense

00:20:10.960 I also changed

00:20:14.240 the lighting in here

00:20:14.960 I think it's kind of cool

00:20:17.680 but

00:20:19.020 got a little guy

00:20:22.020 back there

00:20:22.860 yeah

00:20:25.200 yeah and I guess

00:20:31.840 another thing to bring up too

00:20:33.280 is

00:20:34.220 because we had we had a really good stream last time because we went over this really

00:20:43.860 dense video of sieja talking about bill c63 we had um michael geist talking about it and

00:20:53.400 it was a zoom call for you know a jewish advocacy group and um very interesting stuff

00:21:01.620 a lot of great questions were asked about it honestly

00:21:04.580 sidebar

00:21:07.940 oh my goodness

00:21:10.220 terrifying photo

00:21:12.680 terrifying photo

00:21:14.180 terrifying photo right here

00:21:16.800 but yeah someone's pointed this out already

00:21:20.720 a diagonal guy

00:21:21.980 I can't point this out already

00:21:23.160 it's interesting how

00:21:24.260 you know

00:21:26.060 sexualizing children

00:21:28.400 not something that the Toronto Star wanted to call out

00:21:31.540 fred hahn for supporting gender ideology not at all something that toronto star cared to call out

00:21:37.060 fred hahn for but now that he is saying anti-semitic things or supporting palestine

00:21:44.860 um or criticizing israel all of a sudden all the mainstream news in canada now hates this guy

00:21:51.500 uh say sexualize kids all you want push that all over uh schools across ontario but no no no no no

00:21:58.380 No, no, no, no.

00:21:59.360 You have a political opinion when it comes to a foreign conflict that we don't like?

00:22:02.640 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:22:04.380 You need to resign now.

00:22:06.980 No, corrupting our youth?

00:22:08.080 We don't care about that.

00:22:09.620 You can corrupt the youth as much as you'd like.

00:22:12.940 Have at it.

00:22:14.160 No, but you having an opinion on a foreign conflict?

00:22:16.520 Not all right.

00:22:17.280 No, not okay.

00:22:18.880 Not on our watch.

00:22:21.920 Looks like he's about to eat the microphone.

00:22:23.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:25.760 There's a lot of things I could say. 0.96

00:22:27.100 he is a open homosexual uh for example that microphone probably smells terrible 1.00

00:22:33.560 um i probably shouldn't go into detail detail though because that's kind of gross 0.99

00:22:38.700 um why his breath would smell so much

00:22:42.960 derek nelson says as an american most canadians are persecuted though so so are we in many

00:22:53.460 scenarios yeah um it's becoming more common and the persecution it's quite consistent but it

00:23:03.600 doesn't just happen by the government you know I could bring up the example of Jordan Peterson

00:23:07.360 where his regulatory body as a psychologist in Ontario is coming after him for his political

00:23:15.040 beliefs right and that's totally relevant to the conversation because there's clearly a bias

00:23:21.200 towards you know generically straight white men who are patriotic and uh yeah just kind of have

00:23:31.660 kind of like somewhat traditional somewhat conservative beliefs about about the country

00:23:36.320 and about men and women and uh yeah this is this is really nothing new this isn't anything

00:23:43.320 groundbreaking I'm sure a lot of you know this already but um yeah it's all kind of part of the

00:23:49.800 puzzle right it's all part of the uh the puzzle pieces here where are the tweets i was gonna

00:23:56.340 bring up oh yeah they're over here so yeah uh we were reacting to michael geist on stream the other

00:24:13.360 night and this was his tweet from uh earlier this evening this afternoon the second day of bomb

00:24:18.860 threats targeting synagogues in canada to see those that spent months saying nothing fueling

00:24:24.240 anti-semitism with their hurtful rhetoric or gaslighting the jewish community's fears now

00:24:29.180 feigning concern is shameful hypocrisy and yeah i didn't hear about this or bomb threats to

00:24:36.200 synagogues obviously that's not very fun that's not very good um and michael geist as a lawyer

00:24:44.300 as a jewish lawyer is obviously concerned about this type of thing i just and you know 1.00

00:24:49.280 if you saw the stream last time it was very clear that michael geist as a jewish man is very

00:24:57.360 concerned about the rise of anti-semitism specifically uh like sure it was a jewish

00:25:03.500 it was a jewish group advocacy advocacy advocacy group that he was talking to on the call

00:25:09.740 however um you know he clearly i would argue has a bias for that group for that tribe

00:25:19.660 jewish people so he's more sensitive to anti-semitism and so if you're a palestinian

00:25:26.480 or if you're someone if you're an arab who is sympathetic to palestinians

00:25:29.840 doesn't mean you're a hama supporter or even if you were for sake of argument um

00:25:35.720 you know obviously michael geist and friends and the jewish advocacy group is going to be like we

00:25:43.680 don't like these people who have this opinion how can we use bill c63 to uh persecute these people

00:25:51.400 or or silence them or just get their tweets out of the way that's something that geist was saying

00:25:56.200 on the uh you know on this kind of conversation hey we just want to take it down can we just take

00:26:02.700 it down let's just like let's just get rid of the person saying this yeah okay so you now you're

00:26:06.460 sounding like the tyrant right like now you're sounding like the person who wants to just silent

00:26:10.140 silence somebody um and it needs to be pointed out when it comes to like you know the the rise

00:26:19.100 of tribalism that i think is happening in canada right now you know michael geist has never tweeted

00:26:24.100 once about churches church church oh yeah that's anyway nothing to do with burning churches is my

00:26:31.620 point and uh you might say greg he's jewish why would he care about churches burning down well

00:26:38.020 he's concerned about bomb threats to synagogues but he's not concerned about burning churches

00:26:45.500 like everyone has their own priorities okay and especially when we are in different tribes

00:26:52.520 we prioritize our tribe

00:26:55.900 and bill c63 is like an opportunity to weaponize this uh weaponize this bill

00:27:05.420 against other tribes against other groups and it's just it's just very obvious that it would be

00:27:11.280 very very messy um they did bring that up as a concern that this this bill would be weaponized

00:27:18.120 it would be weaponized and uh you know i just brought that up as an example like here here's

00:27:24.740 somebody who is concerned about bomb threats or you know hateful rhetoric online churches burning

00:27:32.460 down across the country no men no who cares who cares about that i don't care about that those

00:27:39.420 canadians oh i'm not gonna waste my breath on christian canadians can they completely ignore

00:27:45.600 that and you can make the same argument for both right because the argument of permitting arson

00:27:52.220 is oh no but you know the catholic churches did something bad in the past you can say the same

00:27:59.640 thing about israel but you know hey criticizing israel criticizing jewish people that's okay 0.80

00:28:06.120 because they're doing bad things over there to palestinians they're bombing you know children 0.75

00:28:11.380 are dying you know fill in the blank you can make the exact same argument and uh you know the point

00:28:18.560 is is if you are a tyrant if you are a globalist who wants to you know destroy canada blah blah

00:28:24.280 blah um in you know there's a lot of institutions you need to slowly infiltrate and start to decay

00:28:31.180 blah blah blah and you have to make sure that people hate each other uh and this introduction

00:28:37.880 of bill c63 is like great because not only can you make people hate each other you can make people

00:28:44.380 start litigating each other tattletaling each other and not even just because they don't like

00:28:49.540 each other as much as uh well we have a political agenda we want to silence those people whose

00:28:56.400 opinion we don't like and yeah it's been mentioned many times but it bears repeating as this is a big

00:29:10.400 sort of part of of the argument against bill c63 which is how open-ended it is how subjective it is

00:29:18.160 and how it would be simple to take the loopholes in this bill

00:29:24.760 to justify, justify hatred, to justify harm

00:29:29.140 and say, now we're going to silence this person,

00:29:31.640 now we're going to censor this person

00:29:32.780 because someone's emotions or someone's argument

00:29:35.940 was enough to take away that person's freedom of speech.

00:29:45.020 Isn't that great?

00:29:46.700 Isn't that awesome?

00:29:48.160 Isn't that fantastic?

00:30:03.840 Gregorovic says Bill 63 won't pass.

00:30:06.980 Chill out.

00:30:08.020 How do you know that?

00:30:09.940 How do you know that Bill C-63 won't pass?

00:30:14.160 Bill C-18 passed.

00:30:15.900 and now we can't get news

00:30:17.800 on Instagram or Facebook anymore

00:30:19.820 that's pretty absurd

00:30:22.680 and insane

00:30:24.020 you can't get news

00:30:26.120 on certain social media platforms anymore

00:30:28.920 if I would have told you that

00:30:30.600 before Bill C-18 passed

00:30:32.000 Greg Horovic you would have said the same thing

00:30:34.580 Bill C-18 is not going to pass

00:30:36.140 chill out

00:30:36.880 well it did pass

00:30:38.200 and that's why I've started

00:30:41.960 that's why I've started sayfreespeech.ca

00:30:44.620 because I'm not just going to sit around and watch that happen again

00:30:47.860 because I really understand where you're coming from, Gregorovic.

00:30:53.540 Hey, it's not going to pass. Just chill.

00:30:56.040 That's too absurd and insane.

00:30:59.180 Oh, wait a minute.

00:31:00.580 We've already given control of our algorithms to the Canadian government.

00:31:04.900 We've already let them pass Bill C-18,

00:31:07.600 which is an objective failure of legislation,

00:31:10.640 a failure because big tech basically said,

00:31:12.680 hey, we're going to call your bull up, Canadian government, and now your citizens are not going

00:31:17.040 to get news on Facebook and Instagram. These bureaucrats in Canada clearly don't know what

00:31:23.460 they're doing. They have control of the media, so they're able to shape the public narrative, 0.89

00:31:28.360 the public perception of this bill to make it very easy to just pass the legislation through.

00:31:33.720 And I believe they're doing the same thing with Bill C-63 because it's to protect kids online,

00:31:38.260 Greg Orvik you don't what you don't want to protect kids online it's a very clever very very

00:31:44.660 clever Trojan horse that they're using and Greg Orvik on our last stream we brought up the news

00:31:52.380 that they are already talking about putting it into the budget they're already budgeting 300

00:31:56.580 employees for the digital safety board and 200 million dollars just chill out bro it's not going

00:32:04.500 to pass they're just already putting it into the budget and everything that not everything but a

00:32:11.720 lot of what politicians are saying and what the news media is saying and what even the police are

00:32:17.800 saying the police talk about hate hate crime units Gregorovic have you seen what's happening in the

00:32:24.820 uk they're arresting people for facebook posts ta-da how far off is this really it's not far

00:32:34.760 off at all it's already happening in western countries they're already budgeting for it

00:32:38.860 in canada talking about the employees and talking about the money they have a great trojan horse

00:32:44.600 of protecting kids online and we already have this accountability lag where the conservative

00:32:51.600 party always comes up short to stop these insane and absurd pieces of legislation just like bill

00:32:58.120 c18 and just like bill c11 so i think it's very believable that bill c63 would pass

00:33:04.580 hey bro just chill out

00:33:08.640 and that just that just that just it triggers me on a whole nother level because

00:33:16.180 i'm actually writing a substack article right now about the problem the kind of deep deep problem

00:33:23.500 of canadian identity of sort of this canadian attitude just chill bro hey we're canadian we're

00:33:30.360 chill we're chill are you upset with where we are where the country's at it's because we've been

00:33:37.640 too chill that's why we're here because we're too chill so you're going to show up and say hey man

00:33:44.360 it's not gonna pass just chill yeah i've i've i am um um i've seen this movie before i've seen 0.85

00:33:50.620 where i've seen what happens we chill out and then we get further fucked over because we were

00:33:56.380 too chill we were too passive we were too nice so i appreciate your comment but uh respectfully 0.68

00:34:05.040 no and by the way um what's the harm in being diligent about this you're telling me to chill

00:34:13.780 out what's the harm in making safe free speech.ca making content exposing what this bill is truly

00:34:19.900 about because it's really the principle right sure maybe it doesn't pass but the principle

00:34:24.720 that they're actually going to even suggest this legislation is outrageous it's insane it shows us

00:34:32.600 the character and the intention of the people in the parliament buildings which is not to have any

00:34:37.780 freedom not to to completely shut down political dissent entirely or at least give themselves this

00:34:45.020 tyrannical toolkit to do so the fact that they're even suggesting this is crazy and needs to be

00:34:51.820 called out people are tired of the political correctness in canada there's even normie

00:34:57.380 white canadians who are starting to openly complain about mass immigration this is like

00:35:04.040 like this is a first 0.75

00:35:06.080 this is a first that regular

00:35:08.420 Canadians are even starting to complain about this 0.99

00:35:10.260 and obviously they want to shut us up

00:35:12.400 they want to be able to

00:35:14.320 control speech and say oh 1.00

00:35:15.560 we need to get back to when those Canadians 0.95

00:35:18.380 were terrified to say anything if they pass

00:35:20.360 this legislation that is perfect

00:35:21.800 and they clearly have the intention 0.80

00:35:24.400 to silence Canadians in that

00:35:26.320 in that vein and in my opinion 0.62

00:35:28.240 that is

00:35:29.520 that is way enough

00:35:32.260 of a reason

00:35:32.960 to continue to just ring the alarm bells

00:35:36.000 about Bill C-63 over and over

00:35:38.120 and over and over and over again 0.76

00:35:39.700 until everybody realizes what the fuck

00:35:41.980 is up. Pardon my language.

00:35:44.040 I'm trying to swear less.

00:35:46.560 But, um...

00:35:48.960 But, yeah.

00:35:53.000 Foglay says

00:35:53.880 the great Canadian myth. What's that?

00:35:57.360 Oh, and if you didn't know,

00:35:58.380 I haven't plugged this yet.

00:35:59.680 We are starting a, or we are making, rather,

00:36:01.780 a documentary

00:36:02.720 on Bill C-63, the people

00:36:05.800 behind Bill C-63, what it's truly about.

00:36:08.420 If you want to support that, you can go to

00:36:09.700 givesengo.com slash savefree

00:36:11.800 speech.

00:36:13.480 We're doing great. We already have 4,000 in donations

00:36:15.860 and

00:36:17.000 yeah, it's going to really tell

00:36:19.760 the story of

00:36:21.040 what this bill is about. Anonymous Giver

00:36:23.820 gave $10. Keep fighting the good

00:36:25.740 fight. Droogaloo

00:36:27.560 Dag. I also submitted that $50.

00:36:29.540 Alright.

00:36:29.840 keep fighting the good fight

00:36:32.700 absolutely

00:36:33.720 absolutely will do thank you so much for your

00:36:36.760 donation sir greatly appreciate it

00:36:38.460 and yeah this money all goes

00:36:40.900 towards editors

00:36:42.480 media professionals to make

00:36:45.160 content to make effective

00:36:47.220 messaging and

00:36:48.960 videos and this documentary to

00:36:50.940 ring the alarm bells to

00:36:52.780 explain to Canadians what's truly going on

00:36:55.000 and to fight back against political

00:36:57.000 correctness in Canada right right

00:36:58.940 where it matters, which is the legislation

00:37:01.000 that they're trying to pass right now with Bill C-63.

00:37:03.140 Because that would really take political correctness 0.84

00:37:04.760 and enforce it with an iron fist.

00:37:07.800 Is that what you want

00:37:08.860 for your country? Didn't think so.

00:37:11.420 Didn't think so. Who would want that?

00:37:13.400 Only the far left crazies, of course.

00:37:16.520 Only the

00:37:17.080 far left crazies, of course. I think I actually might

00:37:19.060 have a good video to react

00:37:21.320 to. Here we go. Yeah, let's react

00:37:23.280 to this. Before we get into the

00:37:25.320 more drier

00:37:27.060 conversation let's do something a little more fun

00:37:29.300 this is six buzz

00:37:38.720 gotta love the six buzz right you guys may have seen this 1.00

00:37:42.160 woman goes on rant about

00:37:47.200 tim horton's customer service and claims she was laughed at after explaining that things were

00:37:51.320 quote done right back in the day let's watch

00:37:55.020 shall we seriously what is going on anymore in canada like this is absolutely ridiculous i worked

00:38:01.620 there when i was 15 16 years old you know what it was everything was clean the bathrooms were clean

00:38:06.100 stocked every time i go in there it's disgusting my own daughter who's three walked in today and

00:38:11.680 said ew mommy what's that smell like that's embarrassing like what is going on with you

00:38:16.860 as a corporation that nothing can go right anymore when it's literally your all you do is give

00:38:22.460 customer service and food. Like these employees know nothing. When I worked there, when I was 15

00:38:27.860 and 16 years old, our primary thing was if we weren't busy, you were cleaning, you're mopping,

00:38:32.900 you're sweeping, you're making sure that everything was stocked. You're making sure

00:38:36.400 that everything was good to go and that the customer service came first. Now I got laughed

00:38:41.000 at today when I asked for my two ice caps that I bought and I spent $15 there on three drinks in a

00:38:47.820 him bit today and i got laughed at when i said he they brought it out and it was up to that line

00:38:54.180 right there to morton's like amazing so i also worked at tim hortons around that same age there's

00:39:00.880 probably a good a good percentage of canadians who who worked at tim hortons as their first job

00:39:06.600 i would fall into that um into that statistic and uh i i kind of love this as almost as a meme of

00:39:13.220 like i am really tired of these tim hortons employees you know what i mean all these tim

00:39:19.160 hortons employees they smell bad they sound funny but um yeah this is almost like we're seeing the

00:39:29.260 birth of a uh of a canadian style of racism here you know where it's like this woman is complaining

00:39:37.300 about the service at tim horton she doesn't ever say indian people but it's basically cryptically

00:39:44.180 you know that's kind of that's kind of what the message is in a way um what else is he going to

00:39:51.020 say oh yeah you know people actually the comments are pretty one of the comments they they won't

00:39:58.800 even cut a bagel in half anymore it's just a minimum minimum wage job low your expectations

00:40:03.620 shut up um we need karens guys we need karens karens are good you know karen is an anti-white 0.54

00:40:12.320 slur because what is a karen other than a white woman with high expectations a sort of expectation 0.75

00:40:19.900 of excellence sure it's easy to make fun of them maybe like they're they're very needy oh my god 0.57

00:40:26.000 my drink's not right but at the same time hey excellence we want excellence in our society we

00:40:33.360 want something higher we want to we want to aspire for clean things quality things nice things

00:40:41.540 and the karens are warriors for that shout outs to the karens okay boycott tim hortons and walmart

00:40:51.040 yeah i can't lie my ice cap was straight liquid last week and my exact thought was after spending

00:40:55.840 six dollars on a drink i used to work at tim hortons was damn this place fell off welcome

00:41:01.360 to new india why do they why do they exclusively why did they exclusively hire indians though

00:41:07.780 meanwhile starbucks is pretty diverse something is off it's the type of demographic they chose

00:41:13.840 to hire interesting these have like 4 000 likes 1700 likes why is there a heart next to this one

00:41:24.020 oh it's because i liked it um boring anyway let's let's listen to the rest of this and i

00:41:33.460 so i send back the ice caps i literally hand the tray back and i said those ice caps are literally

00:41:38.500 liquid not ice cap and they're also not even filled so why did i just spend over four dollars

00:41:45.380 on some ice caps for it not to be done right like this is a customer service thing yes it's just a

00:41:51.380 a drink at the end of the day, but I'm getting in my car. I'm going to drive to this establishment

00:41:55.340 to get really crappy customer service and then not the proper drinks made. And then I have to drive

00:42:01.960 back or just throw it out. And like, I just wasted my money, but you as a corporation gets to keep

00:42:06.500 yours. That's crazy to me. So anyway, so I say to the three people sitting in the, um, in the drive

00:42:12.780 through doing my order, I send it back. They send it back to me. I said, this is unacceptable. He

00:42:16.800 literally gives it back and says, this is to policy. I said, what's your policy? He said,

00:42:21.120 we can't do any more than that. Like that's it. I said, this ice cup is liquid. It's not even a

00:42:25.360 fro. It's not how it normally would be like that for everybody knows what an ice cup is. I don't

00:42:28.860 need to explain to Canadians watching this right now. And I, so I said, so he says to me, Oh,

00:42:35.340 it's policy. That's all I can do. My manager will get mad. I said, Hmm. I said, we've all worked

00:42:40.460 at Tim Hortons at some point in our lives. And back in the day, this isn't how it was. And he

00:42:45.080 goes, Oh, you must've worked for a good manager then because our manager doesn't allow to change

00:42:49.820 anything with that ice cap. What does that even mean? I said, no, I said customer service and the

00:42:54.440 way things were done back in the day were done. Right. You know what he did laughed at me. You

00:42:59.540 know what would have happened back in the day, even though I'm 31 years old, um, we would have

00:43:05.420 gotten written up a very large talking in the manager's office. And then you would have felt

00:43:10.940 like an idiot. And then because you made that person's day crappy. Now I'm not one to hold

00:43:16.900 energy i'm not going to i'm actually letting it out right now on the camera so then that way tim

00:43:21.220 hortons can hear this and the rest of canada because i know that people are going to want

00:43:24.420 to hear this and they all feel the same way so why don't you guys all share in your comments

00:43:28.740 your your latest situations with tim hortons in canada i'd love to hear it myself

00:43:33.700 so he says to me oh it's amazing amazing amazing love her energy love her confidence too i love

00:43:41.380 her confidence how she's like i i know everyone in the country feels the same way okay imagine

00:43:47.100 pierre pauliev had that confidence that'd be epic i would love to see that um man that was great i

00:43:56.700 was i was shout outs to her hey i want to interview you let's get you on come on let's chat let's talk

00:44:03.400 about it um this is gonna happen more and more this is gonna happen more and more and

00:44:10.720 yeah

00:44:13.360 huge reason why I

00:44:16.220 want to focus on stopping Bill C63

00:44:18.180 because I want to be

00:44:20.440 like the lead blocker I used to play football

00:44:22.340 right and in

00:44:24.420 football you know you run the ball down the

00:44:26.400 field and you have like blockers

00:44:28.000 who block the other people from tackling

00:44:30.500 the person with the ball right

00:44:32.480 and I think of

00:44:34.500 save free speech

00:44:36.380 a lot like being the lead blocker like taking 0.91

00:44:38.380 away this legislation so Canadians

00:44:40.420 like this can continue to just speak their mind because it is happening slowly but surely it is

00:44:45.940 happening but it's very true there will be a terrible chilling effect if this bill were to

00:44:50.220 pass and it would make it so that the government would definitely uh make an example of someone 0.95

00:44:58.860 like that just a regular 31 year old mom who's upset with customer service just a regular quality

00:45:05.860 karen karen in a good way karen in a good way and then they're gonna be get um you know i don't

00:45:12.680 know written up they're gonna get sent to the principal's office basically that's another way

00:45:16.340 to look at bill c63 it's like people are gonna be tattling on each other for like i'm offended by

00:45:21.200 this uh can i take her to human rights court and of course it's absurd of course it's crazy but

00:45:28.040 it's like again if you're trying to dismantle and ruin a country it's like yeah you're gonna

00:45:31.720 to try to push through this bill and justify it under uh protecting kids right um

00:45:38.140 and yeah i guess uh i guess i'll bring up this weird sort of um this weird thing just i mentioned

00:45:49.020 how it's going to be weaponized by tribes by different groups and this is from the jerusalem

00:45:53.700 post hold on to your hats uh beau teaches daughter receives let me put me over here

00:45:59.180 Boteach's daughter receives disturbing

00:46:02.060 non-kosher pizza delivery in Florida

00:46:03.980 FBI complaint file

00:46:06.120 this is over a pizza

00:46:07.560 a non-kosher pizza delivery

00:46:09.800 we're getting the FBI involved

00:46:12.240 this is in America

00:46:13.740 so there's a 1.00

00:46:17.980 feud between Candace Owens 0.98

00:46:20.220 and this Rabbi Shmuley

00:46:22.240 Boteach

00:46:22.800 in a new development in the ongoing feud

00:46:26.280 between Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and

00:46:27.980 controversial conservative media figure

00:46:29.940 Candace Owens, Bo Teach's daughter

00:46:31.300 has filed a complaint with the FBI

00:46:33.840 after receiving what she believes was a

00:46:35.800 threatening message delivered in the form

00:46:37.960 of a pizza to her home in Florida.

00:46:41.500 So,

00:46:42.960 a pizza delivery is a threat.

00:46:46.480 That's where we're at.

00:46:49.580 This is the son of Shmuley, or the daughter

00:46:51.840 rather. My father Rabbi Shmuley and I

00:46:53.820 reported real Candace Owens to the FBI. 0.61

00:46:55.680 I thought she would have learned her lesson already. 1.00

00:46:57.640 don't mess with the Jews 1.00

00:46:59.100 it's so 1.00

00:47:03.320 like man

00:47:05.560 that's crazy being able to get away

00:47:07.540 with saying that is so crazy 1.00

00:47:08.940 imagine saying don't mess with the whites 1.00

00:47:11.460 like

00:47:13.240 the double standard is

00:47:17.400 so crazy

00:47:18.100 yeah

00:47:22.560 they talk about the pizza

00:47:25.700 being delivered

00:47:26.440 the non-cocher pizza which she did not order was delivered with a receipt bearing her name

00:47:31.300 and address but with the phone number that belonged to her father rabbi shmuley bodich

00:47:35.120 the pizza had not been paid for raising immediate concern

00:47:37.880 okay hold on that's in

00:47:46.120 they're not beating the stereotypes jerusalem post you are not helping with the stereotypes

00:47:53.080 the fact that this is a standalone sentence the pizza had not been paid for raising immediate

00:47:58.440 concerns oh come on come on no come on come on no the pizza had not been paid for raising

00:48:13.800 immediate concerns must resist the email forwarded to multiple contacts including

00:48:22.280 your father stated today i received a pizza pie from domino's which i did not order the receipt

00:48:26.840 which i've attached below had my name and address on it my and my parents old home phone number the

00:48:32.760 pie had not been paid for i called domino's and they told me that someone ordered it online this

00:48:37.800 was obviously a threat from someone online my father and i have been receiving death threats

00:48:42.520 all week on x the fact that they use my name and home address combined with my father's

00:48:48.200 home phone number

00:48:49.760 shows this was a threat

00:48:51.220 you know

00:48:56.020 and it needs to kind of just be stated

00:48:57.900 because

00:48:59.900 you know

00:49:02.040 for those who don't know there was this thing called

00:49:03.720 section 13 for the human rights

00:49:05.800 tribunal in Canada and essentially

00:49:07.800 this specific

00:49:09.720 individual used this legislation

00:49:12.080 to weaponize

00:49:13.780 against specific people and to profit

00:49:15.600 off of it

00:49:16.160 his name was Richard Warman and he did this to uh you know to his own personal benefit okay

00:49:24.160 this is also somebody who pretended to be other people online and create all this fake hate and

00:49:30.060 you know there are examples of fake hate crimes you could use Jussie Smollett as an example

00:49:34.800 where he pretended to be attacked by Trump Trump mega hat supporters and having a noose tied around

00:49:42.440 his neck and having bleach poured on him it never happened he made it up uh there's another example

00:49:48.540 of a fake hate crime where uh there's another example of a fake hate crime where i think there

00:49:54.920 was like a jewish business who uh again pretended to like attack their own business which is this

00:50:03.240 is just despicable look this is such an insane lie i'm not saying that that this stuff might not

00:50:08.120 actually happen however in a situation like this you can't rule it out you can't rule out that uh

00:50:15.800 you know that these that these people kind of ordered a pizza online to themselves and then

00:50:20.340 said hey let's just pretend it was a threat to get a jerusalem post article written about us

00:50:25.200 and to make it seem like we're in physical danger um because that wins a lot of sympathy and that

00:50:31.880 and that sympathy is is is then used for more i don't know look threats amid anti-semitic

00:50:37.680 accusations the the address was my daughter's clear message we know who who you are and we

00:50:43.760 know where you live right after candace started threatening us threatening gonna have to fact

00:50:51.220 check that um but yeah i mean if you can use a pizza delivery i'm not saying this is what

00:51:00.120 necessarily happened but if potentially you could use a pizza delivery to justify that you are being

00:51:05.420 threatened then you can obviously use something like bill c63 to justify silencing people you

00:51:13.080 don't like um and as i kind of said in the title you know tribes and groups are obviously going to

00:51:21.900 weaponize they would weaponize bill c63 if it passes to their own personal and political ends

00:51:27.540 you know it'd be a nightmare it'd be a nightmare it'd be a horrible tattletale culture

00:51:35.400 um that just would not be fun for anybody

00:51:40.100 um yeah how are we doing i think we're gonna get into this uh runkle video in a sec

00:51:57.920 did i see a super chat did i miss the super chat yeah craig bragg five dollars thank you craig

00:52:04.520 Craig, you should look into going on TimCast IRL to spread the word.

00:52:10.500 Tim, if you're watching, brother, I'd love to be on the show.

00:52:15.460 Love TimCast.

00:52:18.020 Let him know.

00:52:19.220 Let him know that we're going to say free speech in Canada.

00:52:21.400 Let him have me on.

00:52:26.400 Art Story said, yeah, it was a cafe or something getting vandalized by the owner.

00:52:31.000 yeah that's brutal um i'll have an extra large anti-semitic pizza please says katherine grant 0.76

00:52:39.880 that's funny jesse is black jewish and gay the ultimate trifecta for faking hate crimes 0.73

00:52:45.320 real very very good point ngd um but yeah we got to stop bill c63 if you want to support you can 0.90

00:52:53.240 go to save free sorry you can go to give saying go.com slash save free speech that's where we're

00:52:58.180 Collecting donations to create the documentary.

00:53:01.800 To promote the documentary.

00:53:03.820 We got to get it out there.

00:53:04.780 We got to spread the message.

00:53:06.820 And yeah, we appreciate all of your support.

00:53:12.460 It's a feelings bill, says Prairie.

00:53:14.620 Yeah, pretty much.

00:53:16.760 Pretty much.

00:53:21.840 M Ball says, how do you order pizza online without paying for it?

00:53:26.020 That's a good question.

00:53:28.180 trent dab says what kind of pizza was it though well it was it was a non-kosher pizza non-kosher

00:53:33.860 non-paid-for this is a threat this is assault this is basically terrorism this uh this pizza

00:53:39.460 order uh you guys are funny okay all right let's get into this video it's 50 minutes

00:53:50.860 5-0. I think it'll go

00:53:53.660 a lot quicker than last time.

00:53:57.340 Yeah, let's just get into it, guys.

00:54:00.340 How are we looking? How are we looking?

00:54:01.720 Okay. Okay.

00:54:04.180 This is from Toronto Sun.

00:54:05.700 March 11th, so not

00:54:07.700 long after the Bill C-63

00:54:09.520 was tabled earlier this year, the Online

00:54:11.800 Harms Act could censor Twitter,

00:54:13.660 Netflix, and us. Full comment

00:54:15.800 podcast.

00:54:18.360 The Online Harms

00:54:19.940 act also known as bill c63 it's the latest attempt by the trudeau liberals to try and deal

00:54:25.740 with regulating the online world look there's some good parts of this parts that say they're

00:54:30.460 going to deal with look there's some good parts of this yes let's give them the benefit of the

00:54:35.020 doubt shall we what's this guy's name again uh i should know his name seen him many times i think

00:54:42.240 he's blocked me on uh twitter actually does he block me on twitter come on what's his name

00:54:50.560 Guys, what can I think of his name?

00:54:53.660 Um, Toronto Sun.

00:55:04.120 Um...

00:55:04.600 Guys, why can't I think of this guy's name right now?

00:55:12.200 Anyway.

00:55:13.240 Maybe I shouldn't get so distracted.

00:55:19.880 What is this?

00:55:22.920 Brian Lilly.

00:55:23.860 Thank you.

00:55:24.440 Thank you, Brian Everett.

00:55:34.020 Okay, no, he doesn't have to be blocked.

00:55:35.600 That's good.

00:55:41.220 But, yeah, already giving the benefit of the doubt.

00:55:43.260 You know, there's a lot of things online that we've got to protect from.

00:55:46.180 Just saying.

00:55:48.040 Just saying.

00:55:49.880 Great, great way to start it off. First thing you say about it is, hey, there's some good things about online protections.

00:55:58.640 With childhood online sexual exploitation, nobody I know is in favor of that. There are portions to deal with revenge.

00:56:05.980 I would hope not. No one I know is in favor of that. Kind of weird you even have to say that.

00:56:12.300 Well, again, I don't know anybody in favor of revenge porn, but are there elements of the bill that go too far?

00:56:18.940 Will they infringe on freedom of expression?

00:56:21.500 Will they lead to people abusing this for political means?

00:56:25.320 Those are very real concerns.

00:56:27.240 Hello, welcome to the Full Comment Podcast.

00:56:29.420 My name is Brian Lilly, your host.

00:56:31.100 And this week, we're going to take a deep dive into Bill C-63, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

00:56:37.580 There's been a lot of commentary that this is a bill that should actually be cut in two.

00:56:41.600 The online harms portions dealing with children, revenge porn, etc., put into one.

00:56:46.680 And then all the elements that deal with regulating speech, hate speech, etc., even advocating genocide, should be a separate bill and get longer, deeper, more thoughtful study.

00:56:58.220 Is that the way to go? What are the portions that we need to worry about? Or do we have some of them taken out of context?

00:57:06.340 Ian Runkle is a lawyer in Edmonton, criminal defense lawyer.

00:57:09.880 He also has a very large following online with his YouTube channel, Runkle at the Bailey, where he talks about legal issues, especially firearms on a regular basis.

00:57:19.400 I do want to say when it comes to splitting the bill, one of the top comments here is.

00:57:25.100 The bill shouldn't be shouldn't be split.

00:57:27.440 It should be thrown out.

00:57:28.920 Absolutely.

00:57:30.780 Throw the bill in the garbage with Trudeau and his whole party.

00:57:33.180 Parents should be responsible for protecting children, not the government.

00:57:36.600 So true.

00:57:39.880 yeah i talked about this on the last stream but we were responding to the siege talking about

00:57:46.800 bill c63 and they also kind of had a similar sentiment of hey we should just chop this bill

00:57:52.140 in two and pass the one and not pass the other and talk about the other one more and this is

00:57:57.660 again a negotiation tactic to us to still lose ground and give the government more power like

00:58:04.120 it's not a win to only have part of this bill passed that's still a loss that's still a loss

00:58:10.260 for us that's still a big fat l and that's probably what pierre polyev is going for like

00:58:17.200 oh well we're gonna just oppose the bad parts of the bill not the good parts no no the so-called

00:58:21.940 good parts are gonna be just as bad it's going to be giving the government control they're gonna be

00:58:26.620 able to take down content um anyway we'll probably get into that but uh again we need to throw this

00:58:33.200 whole thing out this idea that some of it is good is just not good not not a not a good framework

00:58:37.880 not a good uh not a good negotiating like frame to be coming from i could i would totally reject

00:58:45.380 this frame we need to say hey they're trying to kill free speech in canada the whole thing needs

00:58:50.580 to be thrown out period we reached out to ian to discuss this issue and figure out what he sees as

00:58:56.880 problems from a criminal defense point of view ian runkul thanks for the time oh thank you for

00:59:03.060 having me so let's just gotta say this man looks so majestic it's like he's got the flowing hair

00:59:11.520 i don't know what his background is i'm sensing irish or scottish or welsh or something but uh

00:59:18.580 very majestic guy let me ask you off the top about the online harms bill um the it seems to be two

00:59:27.720 bills in one in my view you've got a whole area that's aimed at stopping child sexual exploitation

00:59:33.680 uh revenge porn things like that and then you've got hate speech incitement to genocide all these

00:59:40.400 other things does this seem like they've kind of jammed a bunch of things together that the only

00:59:46.680 thing they have in common is that they might happen online this is really i think sort of an

00:59:52.860 omnibus bill of all of the things that

00:59:54.980 happen online that we don't like

00:59:56.460 sort of wedged into one

00:59:58.420 big thing but it also

01:00:00.980 will have some offline applications

01:00:03.080 as well in terms of

01:00:04.780 things like the abilities to get

01:00:06.960 peace bonds

01:00:08.940 applied to people who they think

01:00:10.920 might do something

01:00:12.740 Art Story says he knows

01:00:14.820 Legolas

01:00:15.460 What elf?

01:00:19.800 Runkle is a real

01:00:20.920 life elf says Lee Stewie

01:00:22.440 maybe maybe what do your elves i see runkle something might do something which can include

01:00:30.520 things like house arrest so those provisions it seems that they maybe should sever that off into

01:00:37.240 a separate bill but there's a lot of problems with this because the government really has this

01:00:43.560 big idea that they can sort of tame the internet and they're really bad at it i mean that's a good

01:00:51.040 clip that's a good that's a good clip they think they can tame the internet

01:00:58.240 and this is the obvious stuff too that i think people can understand instead of just like going

01:01:12.180 into the minutia of the bill just look at bill c11 c18 and be like hey this government already 0.55

01:01:19.340 fucked up you can't even get news on on meta on facebook and instagram you think they're going to

01:01:24.960 do a good job with this you're foolish they have a bad track record period why why would we let 0.94

01:01:31.640 them further legislate our internet when they've already messed it up twice contain the internet i

01:01:36.700 don't know what it's like in edmonton but you know we've had a uh a dinner between two g7 leaders

01:01:44.200 shut down because of pro-Hamas terror groups taking over the event venue.

01:01:52.040 We've had a political fundraiser for local liberal constituency associations shut down

01:02:01.760 because the same pro-Hamas terror group show up and take over the restaurant in a very affluent,

01:02:07.320 nice part of town. I'm not sure that you can police the internet when you can't police the streets.

01:02:12.260 well that's very interesting that these are the only examples that brian lily comes up

01:02:17.540 with is uh is pro hamas groups um again you know the whole thing of churches being burnt down i

01:02:27.360 just feel like net like never gets the guess it's uh gets its guess gets the sort of attention that

01:02:33.600 it deserves uh and along with the political prisoners that we've seen since the trucker

01:02:39.380 convoy is super relevant to the conversation, uh, of free speech. Okay. One's in chat. If you think

01:02:48.300 Brian Lilly or Ian Runkle will bring up either the trucker convoy or evidence of political

01:02:54.420 prisoners in this country to, if you think the trucker convoy will not come up and the concept

01:03:01.880 of political prisoners already existing in Canada will not come up in this 50 minute long conversation.

01:03:07.520 One's in chat if you think it will come up.

01:03:10.000 Trucker convoy, political prisoners.

01:03:12.040 Two's in chat if you think it will not come up in this conversation.

01:03:14.780 Well, a lot of the policing, they plan to push on to social media organizations.

01:03:21.560 And the problem is that in doing so, they're going to create tremendous costs for the social media organizations, both in terms of their internal moderation and processes, but also in terms of potential liability fines.

01:03:36.460 if they're within Canada, as well as the possibility of inspections.

01:03:42.340 And so what we might actually see is some of these companies fleeing Canada

01:03:46.380 in order to take up residence elsewhere to avoid these particular rules.

01:03:52.240 Okay, so let's get into that in a little bit, but let's go back to...

01:03:55.340 This is a huge point, though.

01:03:57.580 This is a huge point, though.

01:03:59.540 You know, the Canadian government likes to act like they're so great and special

01:04:04.500 and like you know we're amazing we're such an amazing country our population is relatively

01:04:09.800 small we're a relatively small market for a big tech company when you have india when you have

01:04:16.120 america india is over a billion china is over a billion um and america is like a quarter sorry

01:04:24.620 one third of a billion 300 million people canada is only like 30 or 40 it's like 40 million now

01:04:30.480 you know, if they do the math of, oh, they're, you're going to want to have us to use all of

01:04:35.580 these resources to try and silence people and all these resources to like, you know, follow your

01:04:39.580 directives. They might say, fuck you. We're not even going to let you use Facebook

01:04:44.600 in Canada, unless you have a VPN or something like this. And, oh, that would never happen,

01:04:50.220 bro. Again, this happened exactly with Bill C-18 with the online news act.

01:04:54.960 now you can't get news in on instagram and facebook so like this concern that runkle

01:05:01.680 brought up off the bat is a totally valid one because there is a track record of poor legislation

01:05:08.740 terribly thought of legislation already passed by the same heritage heritage minister that uh

01:05:16.420 yeah as an objective failure the first question that i asked you and you kind of hinted at it in

01:05:22.000 the the first answer should this bill be split because on the question of the third time he's

01:05:29.000 brought this up already third time he's brought up splitting the bill is this the plan mr lily

01:05:35.240 are you in on the plan that they want to try to split the bill and make one half look good or

01:05:39.380 something like this jeez sexual exploitation of children online on the question of revenge porn

01:05:44.960 things like that i don't hear a lot of pushback i don't hear a lot of oh no no no we we need to

01:05:51.500 have that. There seems to be unanimous consent, unanimous viewpoint that these are things that

01:06:00.380 we should be looking after. And to me, it seems like if you had that as a separate bill, that

01:06:06.160 would pass very quickly versus all the other stuff that you and I are going to spend the next

01:06:10.900 half hour or so unpacking. So should this bill be split? It's certainly a good idea in terms of

01:06:18.020 separating out for instance the criminal code and human rights act stuff the one thing i will say is

01:06:23.460 anytime the government tells you we're here to protect the children you should be very very

01:06:29.040 concerned because that's usually a sort of wrapper for very bad legislation and i think that a lot of

01:06:36.360 these portions that may very well pass without too much criticism simply because they say this

01:06:59.620 is to protect children are actually quite um quite dangerous and quite charter infringing

01:07:05.720 provisions runkle crushing it right now big agree we actually might just listen to that again because

01:07:12.860 it was so it was such gold idea in terms of separating out for instance the criminal code

01:07:17.840 and human rights act stuff the one thing i will say is anytime the government tells you we're here

01:07:24.400 to protect the children you should be very very concerned because that's usually a sort of wrapper

01:07:30.540 for very bad legislation.

01:07:33.020 And I think that a lot of these portions

01:07:34.580 that may very well pass

01:07:37.060 without too much criticism

01:07:38.380 simply because they say

01:07:40.240 this is to protect children

01:07:41.480 are actually quite dangerous

01:07:44.960 and quite charter-infringing provisions.

01:07:48.300 And some of them may actually...

01:07:49.940 The child exploitation things,

01:07:51.440 you're worried that there are child...

01:07:53.060 Brian Lilly cuts him off.

01:07:56.660 He was cooking.

01:07:57.600 He gets cut off.

01:07:58.260 Thanks, Lilly. Great.

01:07:58.980 charter violations within that.

01:08:03.320 Absolutely.

01:08:04.520 For instance, there's...

01:08:05.620 Unpack that for me.

01:08:07.200 For instance, one of the things that is forbidden

01:08:10.260 or will be sort of forbidden

01:08:12.120 is any sort of visual representation

01:08:15.080 that shows a child who's being subjected

01:08:17.920 to cruel, inhuman, or degrading acts of physical violence,

01:08:21.080 which would include, for instance, the movie Carrie.

01:08:23.940 um this is it's very difficult to craft these uh okay well look these restrictions the movie

01:08:31.920 carry there's going to be i want to hear this again because you know this is what we need we

01:08:37.380 need an autistic lawyer looking at this specific legislation and be like you could totally do this

01:08:41.880 to ban a movie from the 80s children are actually quite um to or will be sort of forbidden since

01:08:51.680 one of the absolutely uh for instance unpack that for me uh for instance one of the things that is

01:08:59.040 uh forbidden to or will be sort of forbidden is any sort of visual representation uh that shows

01:09:05.920 a child who's being subjected to cruel inhuman or degrading acts of physical violence which would

01:09:11.680 include for instance the movie carrie um so i think his point there is based on the verbiage

01:09:18.720 in the legislation is it could be a fictional movie technically could be a tv show technically

01:09:27.200 could be like a sketch on youtube or a short film on youtube technically and uh yeah that matters

01:09:35.580 because it's stuff we're writing into law so that that kind of matters especially if that

01:09:40.800 exception is not accounted for this is it's very difficult to craft these okay well look

01:09:48.280 these restrictions. The movie Carrie, there's going to be an awful lot of people. I know the

01:09:52.440 movie you're talking about. I watched it as a kid in the 70s. There's going to be an awful lot of

01:09:56.880 people who have no idea what we're talking about. This is an old movie. It's an old movie. What is

01:10:04.100 it about Carrie that would trigger this? It's about a high school student who is very badly

01:10:10.960 bullied by her peers. And it becomes a horror movie because, you know, she's got magical powers.

01:10:18.280 But it includes things like a scene quite famously where they trick her into a situation where they can dump pig's blood on her specifically for the purpose of degrading and humiliating her.

01:10:30.920 There's a lot of like high school movies that include these kinds of scenes of bullying and would be about children because it's high school students.

01:10:40.140 yeah and so you can say like it's really we don't want to have videos of child abuse out there

01:10:46.480 but there may actually and the other thing is that there may be good reason to to actually show

01:10:52.540 even those somebody who sees somebody abusing a child in you know in public may videotape that

01:11:00.180 and put it online in order to condemn that behavior and yet run afoul of this so it becomes

01:11:07.460 very difficult to say where the line is and when you when they're sort of painting these broad

01:11:12.460 broad strokes they're they're going to get a lot of things wrong and there's going to be a lot of

01:11:17.980 situations where it may uh may not be covered uh perhaps more contemporary uh south park he brings

01:11:25.040 up a great point there with uh and i brought this up on on other streams but you know what if there

01:11:30.640 is a legitimate child abuser who gets caught in public or something or other like where there's

01:11:37.480 a clip of somebody like capturing this person being a vile monster technically you could use

01:11:42.980 this legislation to take that down like imagine imagine i'm not saying this is true but imagine

01:11:48.080 if hypothetically justin trudeau was friends with the child abuser and they there's like some

01:11:53.260 scandalous like video that gets leaked or somebody is able to capture of a horrible monstrous thing

01:11:59.980 happening to one of trudeau's friends who's who's a monster abusing a child then you can say hey

01:12:04.160 we'll just use that legislation bill to just take that content off the internet and you know trudeau's

01:12:09.580 friend is innocent because there's no evidence because we wiped it off the internet because we

01:12:13.860 have the power to do that now we have the power to take things off the internet now that are on

01:12:20.040 big tech platforms because we'll threaten to like uh what is it get eight percent of their annual

01:12:27.340 global profits or 10 million dollars you know think think of what kind of think of the decision

01:12:34.000 if you're a big tech platform and the government the canadian government says hey if you don't

01:12:40.660 take down this video it if you don't take down this video then you have to pay us 10 million

01:12:47.120 dollars or however however many million dollars it would be like it's crazy they probably will

01:12:51.740 leave the country if if they you know we'll probably just get no big tech platforms in

01:12:56.100 hand anymore if uh if this bill passes but let's just make sure it doesn't pass how about that

01:13:02.060 crazy concept right

01:13:03.820 lee stewie said one time i messaged runkel for legal advice and he got back to me right away

01:13:12.940 good guy did you message him on twitter lee i haven't reached out to him yet i figured i'd

01:13:17.820 watch this first just to kind of get his uh his kind of best takes already on the bill to bring

01:13:23.700 me up to speed with where he's at anyway art story said the person sharing the video like

01:13:33.940 the child abuse video would be guilty of prejudice or something yeah i mean you never know

01:13:37.480 you never know he he really runcles was is really cooking there in terms of like they usually get

01:13:43.760 it wrong when it's so broad like this it could there's so many little loopholes that could be

01:13:49.600 exploited this is the law this is the law this is important it's important to get this right

01:13:56.120 because it's it's harder to uninstall a law once it's there let's throw the whole thing out let's

01:14:02.680 see if see because and what's interesting here too is if i'm not mistaken what runkle is criticizing

01:14:08.960 is the part that lily thinks is more reasonable about hey let's just get rid of the uh let's just

01:14:14.140 get rid of the the criminal stuff and the and the um human rights stuff and let's just focus on the

01:14:20.220 you know childhood sexual online harm stuff which is again what the other podcast i listened to was

01:14:26.080 saying but he's he's pointing out even the the uh the problems with that as well um oh my god they

01:14:31.720 killed kenny yes uh that's that's south park south park runs a foul of bill c63 potentially i mean

01:14:40.440 there's exceptions there in terms of whether or not it has sufficient artistic merit, which

01:14:45.880 when South Park came out was a hugely debated issue. I think that they've perhaps found some

01:14:51.780 social traction, but what happens with all of this? I can see the argument for and against

01:14:58.500 South Park having artistic merit. There are times when expression. I hate when I do that.

01:15:04.980 here's the thing though what are we actually gaining from passing this bill because the

01:15:12.160 assumption with all these conversations is like well we have to do something about online harms

01:15:16.040 and it's like do we what what is what is truly the uh because all i'm seeing is a bunch of far

01:15:22.460 leftists complaining about people's whose opinion they don't like that's what i see mostly and sure

01:15:28.340 there's the egregious things like ornography of you know abusing children all of this stuff's

01:15:34.780 already illegal though it's already against the law big tech already does a whole bunch of stuff

01:15:40.460 to circumvent that and i brought this up on another stream if they were more serious about

01:15:47.000 wanting to stop the monstrous stuff of abusing kids and recording it and putting it online

01:15:51.060 maybe they'd actually name names of large porn companies and actually hone in on that they don't

01:15:58.900 at all they just they're just blanketing the entire internet it's ridiculous and for those

01:16:04.980 who don't know yeah there's a massive porn company uh like you know empire that is in uh

01:16:11.840 headquartered originally i believe in montreal and it's like if they were serious about like

01:16:16.280 getting that content off the internet then maybe they would actually mention this and actually gear

01:16:20.080 this uh bill towards that but obviously they aren't it's it's i i really believe it's much

01:16:24.620 more about uh power grab crap i lost the spot didn't i i think we were around here

01:16:31.000 you know it's like oh this bill would this bill would uh you know even make um south park

01:16:38.240 potentially illegal or content to be taken down yeah do we really need this bill that badly what

01:16:44.400 like what what truly is the benefit other than patting ourselves on the back and acting like

01:16:48.260 we're gonna save kids from uh from uh pedophiles pedophiles happen in real life by the way that's

01:16:54.500 of really where uh anyway that's a whole other other topic let's keep going exceptions there

01:16:59.300 in terms of whether or not it has sufficient artistic merit which when south park came out

01:17:05.220 was a hugely debated issue i think that they've perhaps found some social traction but what what

01:17:13.060 happens with the argument for and against south park having artistic merit there are times when

01:17:20.020 it cracks me up in times where I cringe. And I think most of us are like that. And so, yeah,

01:17:26.460 you could have that debate. You could have that argument. But depending on who's interpreting

01:17:31.160 the law, you're essentially saying, could result in unforeseen instances of people being caught up

01:17:40.960 in this. Absolutely. And one of the things is that content that is actual child sexual abuse

01:17:48.700 material is already one of the most vilified and illegal sorts of things you can find online

01:17:55.060 um yep yep exactly it's refreshing to listen to runkle because it's like

01:18:04.260 all of the very obvious arguments like that it's like he's one of the only people who i've heard

01:18:12.180 who heard kind of mentioned the most obvious stuff about this bill and it's like it's just

01:18:17.080 very refreshing appreciate you appreciate you runkle provider like social media and so forth

01:18:25.180 as a major category polices the heck out of this and watches for that kind of content on their

01:18:32.140 media and actively reports it to police one thing that i hope they'll fix because it's very

01:18:37.920 concerning in this bill is that this could actually make it very difficult to prosecute

01:18:43.420 uh people who are sharing some of that content online um there's in what way wow uh there's a

01:18:50.360 provision that if content is uh gets a a notice essentially somebody says this content is

01:18:57.120 objectionable which hopefully somebody who saw that material would say this content is objectionable

01:19:02.300 uh the i the provider is required to within 24 hours provide a notice to the person who posted

01:19:10.340 that content and what are they going to do when they see hey your content was removed we have

01:19:16.820 we've noticed this is they may start destroying evidence the police will often engage in

01:19:23.860 lengthier sting operations where they're watching to see where this material goes who's sharing it

01:19:30.740 and then you'll see those big busts where they arrest like a hundred people okay what we may

01:19:36.580 instead see is one person who gets a notice side because of these notices yeah somebody who gets

01:19:43.860 one of these notices is very likely to just say whoa i i need to expect a police visit and then

01:19:50.760 burn the hard drives lost and and get rid of everything yeah sheesh i've never heard this

01:19:57.780 argument yet that is crazy so i mean it it is kind of par for the course for the liberal party

01:20:04.520 right? We're going to help protect kids online. We're going to make it easier for pedophiles

01:20:08.760 and get away with it as well. That's wow. Big brain. Look, I told you guys, look how big this

01:20:17.600 man, this man's brain is so big, so big. He's, he's, he's 10 steps ahead. That's very chilling

01:20:26.460 and disturbing. And he, he makes a fantastic point that I didn't think about. He is a criminal

01:20:30.420 a lawyer so you know he's he's right there he's right on the ball right on the money making it

01:20:35.860 easier for pedophiles to get away with it yeah if you want to protect kids online then you should

01:20:44.340 be talking about this potentiality a riverani if you want to protect if you're saying that you want

01:20:49.840 to protect kids online with bill c63 then this is something that you need to consider and clearly

01:20:55.600 have not almost like you're full of shit and just want to uh usurp more power from big tech and for

01:21:04.020 the canadian government to control its own citizens and potentially potentially protect your pedophile 0.78

01:21:08.980 friends i don't know who knows i don't know who you hang out with the reef geez so i mean hopefully 0.54

01:21:16.540 they'll put in some sort of exception of like maybe we don't have to give people advance notice

01:21:22.380 if they're sharing stuff that is that kind of harmful, because I'd much rather see those people

01:21:28.180 face an actual, you know, is Lily starting to sweat. He's starting to sweat a lot. Suddenly,

01:21:33.840 am I crazy? Arrest and prosecution. It's absolutely, we should be taking that material

01:21:40.580 down. But prosecution is important. And if it can interfere with that, that's a problem.

01:21:46.520 You mentioned earlier that when people wrap themselves up in we're protecting the children,

01:21:51.480 We should be worried. And it reminded me of, correct me if I've got the bill wrong in Bill C-51, I think it was in the Harper era. And there were a whole bunch of measures in that to to try and deal with different elements that they want to dealt with.

01:22:11.540 But I believe it was then Justice Minister Vic Taves or Public Safety Minister Vic Taves saying, you're either with the child pornographers or you're with us.

01:22:20.780 And it was a horrible bill. There were horrible elements to it.

01:22:24.800 And but he tried to wrap himself up in I'm defending children.

01:22:29.420 Why aren't you? It is kind of a thing that politicians will do.

01:22:34.560 Politicians of all stripes. I'm not being partisan here.

01:22:37.100 I'm picking on Vic Taves as well as worried about what the current government will do.

01:22:41.540 Is this something that you worry about when you see those statements, when you see these bills that they're just trying to hide other things?

01:22:51.940 I mean, I'm sure that there is some motivation of, you know, we've got to protect the kids.

01:22:57.000 The problem is, is that almost it's one of those things that's a real red flag.

01:23:01.680 Almost every time you see it, there's something in those bills that is really a problem.

01:23:06.160 and this bill has a lot of issues that um that may create real problems where

01:23:12.340 the various efforts to regulate the internet that we're seeing including ones that are supported by

01:23:18.900 the conservative party right now the sort of porn id law are have a real possibility of sort of

01:23:25.860 creating a balkanized internet where canada gets a lesser internet hold on though hold on

01:23:31.860 why let him cook ryan oh is he about to criticize the conservative party whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

01:23:39.960 hold on hold on there we're here to shit on just trudeau and the liberals okay okay uh pure

01:23:48.480 polyev was asked do you think that uh people should have to verify their age you know that

01:23:55.080 that's vastly different than you've got to you know scan your driver's license when you're going

01:24:00.040 on a porn site um it's uh there's a whole lot of grades in there and that was used by the liberal

01:24:07.480 party just before they bring out this law to attack him i mean there's politics on all sides on

01:24:12.760 this oh for sure it kind of drives me nuts it's like we're going to stop the child pornographers

01:24:18.680 but don't ask anybody their age if they're uh uploading or watching on porn hub well the

01:24:25.640 concern there is not just that it's don't ask anybody their age it's got to be verified by some

01:24:31.000 means so it may actually be that you have to post your id or uh have a picture taken of you for uh

01:24:38.120 for various you know there's technologies that purport to guess your age based on a picture

01:24:44.040 but that would also not just cover it covers any site that has you know adult content on it which

01:24:49.640 isn't just Pornhub. It's also Twitter and Reddit. And at that point, if you're needing to have an

01:24:56.960 ID for everything you do on places like Reddit and Twitter, then we've essentially created a

01:25:02.780 digital ID, which is a real problem because that can very much suppress speech that might be

01:25:08.860 legal, but controversial.

01:25:13.740 Rumble's cooking. I've heard this theory before that the liberal or the conservative bill

01:25:19.240 is essentially presenting digital id and they're using the whole thing of oh no it's uh you know

01:25:24.800 we're gonna make sure that you're old enough to watch illicit material online and it's like well

01:25:29.400 how do we do that if we're not just associating our our identification with our you know internet

01:25:36.940 browsing history our our presence online uh so runkle nails it here and i'm very interested to

01:25:44.260 see how lily is about to respond to this because he's criticizing a bill that comes from the

01:25:50.960 conservative party i believe the bill is what is it 210 or something is it s 210 or something like

01:25:56.460 this can anyone find find out for me maybe they'll bring it up in a sec and that becomes uh that's my

01:26:03.360 concern is that it gets wrapped up as we need to protect children but it instead is something that

01:26:09.380 affects online discourse and speech, including legitimate lawful speech. So that's the concern.

01:26:19.660 And there's plenty, I should note, all of the concerns that apply to that bill are wrapped up

01:26:25.280 in C-63, in particular, because there's a section, section 65, and it just says, it's under this

01:26:33.000 category of duty to protect children. It says, design features an operator must integrate into

01:26:38.580 a regulated service that it operates any design features respecting the protection of children

01:26:43.140 such as age appropriate design that are provided for by regulations those regulations won't come

01:26:50.140 to a vote they can just be it's like the order in council to you know ban firearms and so forth they

01:26:56.020 can just be put forward with a stroke of a pen and they could say you must have this kind of age

01:27:02.720 verification tomorrow, you know, assuming that this law was in place, they could just drop that

01:27:08.720 down. And suddenly all of these companies have to adjust to that. They could do worse than that.

01:27:15.220 They could do more content. I'm glad that you're raising that because an awful lot of people don't

01:27:20.460 realize how much in legislation is left to regulation. And regulation is not passed by

01:27:26.460 parliament. It's not seen by parliament for the most part. It is decided by bureaucrats after the

01:27:32.460 fact. And what you just described is something that would leave an awful lot of the details

01:27:39.020 up to someone who is not elected, who we have no recourse with, who has no accountability,

01:27:47.980 and they're going to decide how the law is applied. Correct?

01:27:52.780 Absolutely. And typically what we see is a sort of ever-expanding sphere of what they feel should

01:27:59.160 be their influence bureaucrats very rarely say i should have less power and i should have less

01:28:04.760 things under me because the more things that they deal with the more money and budget and so forth

01:28:11.380 and the more important they they get to be and so we can we can imagine that this is going to grow

01:28:18.760 not shrink so that's a very big concern to me and i mean i want to see a healthy canada

01:28:29.020 economically. And one of the things that I think Canada does well is our sort of ground game on

01:28:36.160 social media and on this kind of content. But it will be very difficult for these companies to

01:28:44.140 consider locating themselves in Canada if they may have to completely change their system at the

01:28:49.920 stroke of a pen by a bureaucrat. Why would you want to subject yourself to that when it might be

01:28:55.460 literally millions of dollars in order to adjust these things and then you might have to do it

01:29:02.160 again in six months wow a lot of good points you brought up there last one basically saying big

01:29:07.820 tech offices could possibly just leave the country if they if they don't like this sort of tyrannical

01:29:12.980 rule uh being imposed over them by bureaucratics bureaucrats with their regulations and i actually

01:29:21.840 have not heard this one either which is section 65 i think it said of the bill where essentially

01:29:27.840 leaves the door open the back door to additional regulations added by the bureaucrats on what the

01:29:34.360 digital safety board or whatever we come up with uh worried that it's going to grow and not shrink

01:29:40.160 yeah and and this totally connects to you know why this bill needs to be completely thrown out

01:29:48.560 because if they get their foot in the door if bureaucracy gets their foot in the door

01:29:53.540 if we give them the keys to the castle the keys to starting to just like regulate the internet how

01:29:58.340 they like even if it's just a small thing it's going to grow it's going to set a precedent

01:30:03.780 to do more of that to control more of the internet it's uh it's good not good not good

01:30:12.220 yeah runkle is awesome totally agree sandy klein totally agree alberta climber ian runkle ian

01:30:22.540 runkle is a ian ian runkle is a good dude he offered to consult with chris lysack's lawyer

01:30:27.320 on all firearms related issues for free chad chad moment what did i tell you from the beginning

01:30:32.720 look at the look at the look at the mystique look at the aura the aura is real

01:30:39.340 yeah at least do we parents should be monitoring monitoring their children on the internet not the

01:30:49.980 government yeah it's true and and again the problem is i brought this up on a on an earlier

01:30:56.100 conversation it's a it's a genuine fear for parents it's a genuine fear having your kid on

01:31:03.120 the internet having your kid on a device oh my god like there's so much scary stuff out there

01:31:07.380 what are we going to do and then you can see justin trudeau don't you worry we're going to

01:31:11.860 protect your kids from online harms with this new bill c63 really i'm going to be protecting my

01:31:18.160 pedophile friends but just pass the bill anyway because you want to feel safe with your children

01:31:24.620 online but parents are legitimately afraid and giving that trojan horse with this bill of like 0.65

01:31:31.020 protecting kids it's it's easy it's an easy sell to help lull canadian parents asleep it'd be like

01:31:40.220 you know what we do need something online we do need something online um so yeah that that that

01:31:46.400 trojan horse needs to be completely dismantled by exposing uh what this bill is really about

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01:32:25.080 but let's get back to this conversation you know i i've talked to people who are either in

01:32:34.600 these major tech companies or represent them and as you know my industry my company

01:32:40.580 they've had a lot of issues with big tech fog fog hallay says give them an inch and they will

01:32:47.940 throw you in prison for 20 years yeah real the the regular phrase is give them an inch they take a

01:32:54.700 mile, but yeah, give them an inch and they will throw you in prison for 20 years. Like it's yeah,

01:32:59.320 exactly. Um, yep. And the whole argument over how many, what percentage of ad dollars go to

01:33:08.420 Google and Facebook versus everyone else, they're still major players and we're still partners with

01:33:15.160 them. And they're part of the, the internet economy, as you say, and yet this government

01:33:21.500 keeps coming up with bills that make it harder and harder for them to operate. And yet there are

01:33:26.700 conversations about, should we leave? Or should we withdraw certain services from Canada? Should

01:33:34.080 we scale back in Canada? Which is really bothersome when you think about how much all of us

01:33:42.680 rely on, whether it's storage services, email services, social media services, all of these

01:33:50.800 things that are part of the economy that we wouldn't have wouldn't have thought of 15 or 20

01:33:56.020 years ago they're there now we're going to add these regulations on and that might lead to some

01:34:01.660 of them saying you know what we don't need canada because they don't want us and it's it is a very

01:34:08.160 real concern and at those points um we end up with situations where these companies do flee

01:34:14.600 and then we can't regulate them at all uh the other thing that we with that we may see with

01:34:20.160 some of these bills is if you prevent people

01:34:23.840 from doing things legally, they may move things into,

01:34:27.960 there may be a growth in illegal distribution channels,

01:34:31.160 which have very few breaks.

01:34:34.260 And so we may actually end up making our internet worse

01:34:38.360 by driving out the people who are sort of the good actors

01:34:41.740 and only creating ones that have no interest

01:34:44.760 in following any laws whatsoever.

01:34:47.280 essentially you're talking about the dark web.

01:34:50.240 Those sorts of things.

01:34:51.420 Like if we chase out, pornography is controversial,

01:34:55.340 but we're not going to get it to go away.

01:34:57.840 And so for instance, if we drive out companies

01:35:00.880 that try their best to make sure that things

01:35:03.320 are not too toxic, what you'll instead see

01:35:07.200 is a massive growth of people seeking out that content

01:35:11.180 on other sources, which may not follow rules at all.

01:35:16.100 And that's going to be a major, that's a major concern I have with some of these bills as well.

01:35:22.820 And when you look at just the legal exposure of operating in Canada,

01:35:29.580 right now, I'm not sure what the global revenue is for Twitter right now.

01:35:35.140 I'm just looking, is it in millions?

01:35:38.480 uh like if the uh sorry i'm not i shouldn't be googling right now but it's eight percent

01:35:45.360 the fines allowed for penalties are up to eight percent of the operator's close global revenue

01:35:52.100 or 25 million yeah or 25 million whichever is greater so if you're talking about a company

01:35:59.060 like facebook or wow whichever is greater that's so obnoxiously written you need to give us as much

01:36:07.920 money as you have

01:36:09.420 the most amount of money

01:36:11.600 if we find something bad if you don't

01:36:13.840 take the bad thing away that we deem bad

01:36:15.580 then we're going to find you 25 million

01:36:18.000 dollars if that's insane

01:36:19.760 I thought it was lower than that

01:36:21.680 whichever is higher

01:36:23.240 8%

01:36:25.880 of global profits

01:36:27.460 that is

01:36:29.580 and cut to the clip of

01:36:33.560 Arif Verrani saying like we took

01:36:34.980 we took years developing this legislation

01:36:37.820 really because this sounds ridiculous and everybody who's actually involved with who

01:36:42.460 this legislation would affect i.e. the big tech companies i.e. the people who use the internet

01:36:47.160 every day uh yeah they think it's absurd and terrible it's almost like you were only consulting

01:36:53.400 with the people interested in silencing political opposition in this country it sounds like that's

01:36:58.120 like the only people you consulted with the referani potentially i don't know just a theory

01:37:02.580 for uh google uh google's maximum fine for violating this is a billion dollars

01:37:08.240 see you google see you next time i'm not gonna have google in canada anymore a billion dollars

01:37:21.680 a billion dollars if you don't take away if you don't take down this

01:37:27.440 this meme this this evil meme we're gonna yeah i mean he nailed it a second ago where he said

01:37:34.080 you know if you're a big tech company and you're consider the the exposure that the legal exposure

01:37:41.040 of operating in canada where the where the canadian government might somehow force you to get

01:37:47.760 a billion dollars yeah peace out canada they would not think twice yeah if if i'm google i'm

01:37:56.800 You might say, you know what?

01:37:59.880 I don't need to sell Brian his Google Drive account anymore.

01:38:03.720 I don't need to sell the storage and all the other services that various people buy.

01:38:08.960 I'm going to camp.

01:38:10.520 I'm going to leave.

01:38:12.120 And so we may actually see measures to just say, listen, I mean, as a market, in terms

01:38:17.780 of our money, Canada isn't the big player.

01:38:20.600 We're basically the equivalent of the kid who goes to the grocery store once a week

01:38:24.820 to buy a candy bar out of his allowance and so when we say listen if you want to play in our 1.00

01:38:31.440 sandbox you have to follow all of these rules they may say we're just happy to block Canadians

01:38:36.820 and if we start getting blocked off of things like Netflix or you know Reddit or you know or Twitter

01:38:43.580 we end up with this world where as Canadians we have a lot less access to the net and that's

01:38:50.900 becoming a very real possibility. Some of these bills, not C63, C63 purports to give orders to

01:38:58.100 take specific content online. But you've also got C11, C18, and so on. Yeah, and some of those

01:39:04.860 include provisions to say that websites have to be blocked if they don't comply. You know,

01:39:11.540 if you don't have enough Canadian content and you're not willing to play ball, then we can block

01:39:16.660 you from from canada and that's a problem if you're looking at things like you know the bbc

01:39:24.420 we're never going to convince the bbc to put canadian content on because that's not what

01:39:30.340 they do they're the british broadcasting corporation um all of these are very you know

01:39:35.580 serious concerns and to sort of tie that back to bill c63 when we start saying listen if you want

01:39:42.580 to operate in Canada, we've got all of these rules and, you know, billion dollar fines.

01:39:49.920 It's easy to just say, you know what, we're going to decamp Canada. You do what you want to do.

01:39:55.120 We're just going to operate from. Yeah. So we've talked about the issues surrounding things like

01:40:01.700 the child exploitation, the revenge porn side of things on Bill C-63, but there's a whole other

01:40:08.240 element i just do want to say that those were a couple of great points he brought up um

01:40:13.160 and i forgot about that actually for the absurdity of bill c11 that they could

01:40:19.080 in theory block foreign news sites because they're not canadian enough i'm gonna have to review the

01:40:25.920 absurdity of these bill c11 because that that'll be part of the same talking point of just

01:40:29.920 how much of a legislative failure these other internet bills have been so again why would we

01:40:36.680 keep letting them pass bills if what they've been passing is just total trash um and opens up

01:40:43.500 the internet or i guess the public to facing the consequences of just really 0.90

01:40:49.640 i want to say the r word retarded bureaucrats 0.86

01:40:54.260 but yeah like just like horrible horribly misguided decisions by bureaucrats who are 0.86

01:41:02.660 trying to control the internet anyway and this is the one that most critics are saying huge impact

01:41:11.020 on freedom of expression freedom of speech um also you know let me start here i wrote a column

01:41:19.060 when it first came out my first read-through and of course these are big bills and it takes a few

01:41:23.200 days to digest and really understand because what people don't understand when you get a piece of

01:41:28.140 legislation like this is folks like you and I have to spend our time going back and forth

01:41:34.100 between the existing law and what's there, because you'll get this section that says,

01:41:38.860 and we replaced this section with this. And you're like, well, what did it say before? And you've got

01:41:42.800 to go back and forth. And it's dizzying at times. And so it takes a long time for us to break it

01:41:48.520 out. But my first read on this was, this is not a serious bill for dealing with what are absolutely

01:41:57.360 issues that folks want dealt with. But when you have a bill that says you're going to get,

01:42:04.380 and let me read this to you, potentially up to life in jail for either advocating genocide or,

01:42:11.460 let me read this part, everyone who commits an offense under this act or any other act of

01:42:17.300 parliament, if the commission of the offense is motivated by hatred based on race, national or

01:42:22.340 ethnic origin, language, color, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation

01:42:27.460 or gender identity or expression is guilty of an indictable offense in liable to imprisonment for

01:42:34.160 life. We don't put people in prison for life for murder. Now, I think it's worth noting, well,

01:42:40.800 nobody's actually going to get a life sentence for most of these things, right? It's a maximum

01:42:45.420 penalty. It's not going to be the average penalty. But it is going to be very interesting because

01:42:51.240 some of this could cover some very minor offenses overall uh one of the offenses that people

01:42:57.620 commit that might trigger this lily was cooking there he's actually cooking there

01:43:03.960 is mischief um somebody spray paints on you know a mischief let's see if they connect this with

01:43:12.560 the truck or convoy where a lot of people who got charged were charged with mischief or inciting to

01:43:18.960 commit mischief anyway a religious building uh something hateful to that religion well okay um

01:43:28.820 that's that's a detestable crime but it's it's spray paint right at the end of the day and so

01:43:35.760 it'll be like okay you're facing months in prison as a maximum or up to life but life because of

01:43:43.420 what you spray painted and what that'll end up meaning is you might end up with a um you know

01:43:50.660 a jury trial over a spray painting because you're going to have certain rights but also

01:43:55.740 any other act of parliament could be really um really interesting for instance out on the

01:44:02.640 east coast we're seeing disputes over fisheries and so if they say well you decided to fish

01:44:09.200 lobster out of season in order to, you know, because you dislike these other groups,

01:44:15.040 then now you're facing a life sentence. It's like, what? And for people that don't follow

01:44:24.300 this issue, I follow it on the, you know, just gently. You're right. That could happen. Someone

01:44:31.260 could say this is a hate crime. Yeah. I think they're talking about the fisheries on the East

01:44:36.960 coast if i'm not mistaken there's there's a dispute but i don't know why they're not actually

01:44:40.640 saying what's actually happening out there probably because it has to do with native groups

01:44:44.960 but if i'm not mistaken native groups have the privilege of uh fishing outside of season because

01:44:51.900 of their native status like indigenous whatever it is first nations i don't know but because they

01:44:57.680 have that status they are able to um you know fish certain species outside of the season which can

01:45:05.660 really mess up the ecosystem and mess up the kind of regular cycle of of whatever fish it is there

01:45:10.260 or lobster that they're taking or trapping um and yeah they're saying that like that whole dispute

01:45:16.500 could be now colored by this hate legislation uh because you know people of different skin colors

01:45:22.920 is involved and i mean the courts are usually reluctant to find something as a hate crime

01:45:30.200 because a lot of the time when people say something is a hate crime it's more somebody

01:45:35.040 with mental illness but oh man i love runkle that is so funny uh my professional lawyer opinion

01:45:50.980 is when someone's complaining about a hate crime uh usually someone's just mentally ill 0.59

01:45:57.320 uh that's usually the case 0.59

01:46:01.120 this is just what i've seen i'm a professional so i am a lawyer i you know there is this real

01:46:12.060 possibility that you'll get people facing very where the very serious charge is this enhancement

01:46:18.360 and the other thing that happens is you get people who get into a dispute

01:46:22.860 and they get angry and they say something offensive specifically to upset the person

01:46:29.460 that they're angry with and it might be something that they wouldn't otherwise say maybe they've

01:46:33.680 been maybe they've been punched a couple of times in the face before they they get to saying

01:46:39.040 something like that but now they've gone from like we're having a bar fight to i'm on the hook for

01:46:45.940 like there's a maximum of life even if they're not actually likely to get a life sentence

01:46:51.600 and look i it's still silly it's still silly you know like

01:46:57.700 i brought this up earlier what is what's the benefits what are the good things of this bill

01:47:04.840 what are the good i'm like i don't i'm not seeing any i'm just i'm just seeing so many excuses to

01:47:11.100 be able to throw more people in jail whose opinion we don't like like the more i research

01:47:17.360 The more I do research on this bill, the more I see nothing good, very few things good, anything that's already, anything that it might actually help with are already things that big tech silences and censors and takes off their platforms anyway, or are things that are already objectively illegal in this country, like the child porn stuff.

01:47:37.360 so all the good parts are things that are already reduced by big tech a very well dialed in

01:47:44.240 professional trans international companies that have their shit together probably hundreds of

01:47:50.980 employees at each big tech company dedicated to online harms already or the bill the good

01:47:57.200 thing about the bill is that it's we're going to stop something that's already illegal

01:48:00.340 other than that the only sort of benefit like the the things that this bill is adding is just like

01:48:06.680 It's just problems on problems on problems on problems, loopholes to attach charges to this person or that person based on something they said.

01:48:14.920 It's a bunch of political correct nonsense that will be used to persecute dissidents, persecute people who have the wrong opinion.

01:48:27.380 Obviously, like we've kind of we've seen this already happen.

01:48:30.680 the police are showing up at people's doors for things they're saying on social media

01:48:34.980 and it's always a thing that is kind of politically charged or it's anti-immigrant or whatever it's

01:48:40.860 totally legal to say that it's it's legal to criticize things in this country and police

01:48:45.760 are already showing up at people's doors you know they're they're obviously trying to take

01:48:51.360 away our freedom of speech with this bill because again like i just said there's no benefits there's

01:48:56.340 no real benefits other than a whole bunch of loopholes for bureaucrats to use to persecute

01:49:00.840 people they don't like because of their politics. I'm not against tough sentences. I'm a tough

01:49:06.040 sentence kind of guy. It just seems like compared to where this current government is on other

01:49:13.820 issues, getting rid of a mandatory minimum for your third conviction of gun smuggling under C5,

01:49:20.840 get, you know, reducing sentences for all kinds of other crimes. And then they come up with this.

01:49:26.180 And I think there's four instances where they've moved the maximum sentence up from two years to

01:49:31.720 five years to show that they're really, really serious about this. To me, this side of the bill

01:49:38.100 seems like it's performative, that it is for show rather than being a serious legal attempt to deal

01:49:47.720 with real problems. And I think that we're going to see a lot of situations where, I mean, nobody's

01:49:54.400 actually going to get life. It's the maximum on this. The minimum is nothing, but it's a straight

01:50:00.860 indictable offense, which means that they can't go by summary conviction. It cuts off certain options

01:50:05.740 in terms of sentencing. We've got summary convictions for terrorism offenses. You hide a

01:50:12.000 terrorist, you can get a summary conviction, which means if it isn't spelled out in the legislation,

01:50:17.260 It's a maximum of six months in court or in jail.

01:50:21.260 Am I correct?

01:50:23.080 I'd have to check.

01:50:24.440 I sadly don't have all of the sentencing memorized.

01:50:28.000 I always check.

01:50:29.120 But if it isn't spelled out in legislation, a summary conviction, you're not going to jail for more than six months, right?

01:50:35.520 I think they're up to 18.

01:50:38.500 But you've got summary convictions for things related to terrorism, and you don't have summary convictions here.

01:50:45.020 As you say, it could be spray paint.

01:50:47.260 and it's the testable yes but life this may actually discourage the laying of these charges

01:50:54.740 and sort of if i'm a prosecutor let's say you've got a guy who has spray painted his you know he

01:51:02.340 spray painted a shed somewhere and he basically says like whatever um now i'm considering whether

01:51:08.480 i want to lay this charge well if i lay this charge now this person because they're liable

01:51:14.180 to imprisonment for life has an entitlement to things like a jury trial and do i really want to

01:51:20.400 run that on a shed spray painting i might say well no i i don't i'm gonna just leave that out

01:51:28.040 and so that also becomes a concern the other thing and then people who are upset at the offense

01:51:35.640 and rightly so say well why aren't you giving them the full charges and it's like well they

01:51:42.200 lose faith in the justice system because they say well but you could be charging them with more and

01:51:47.880 you're not so you're not taking this seriously and like let's say it's a religious uh place of

01:51:54.520 worship as you were saying earlier yeah you know if your church your synagogue your mosque is attacked

01:52:01.480 that is is very personal is very visceral for you and you're going to want someone to face

01:52:09.480 full consequences but because this bill goes so far you're saying there's a good chance prosecutors

01:52:15.480 will just let's leave that aside and then you've got the the public feeling like the prosecutors

01:52:22.440 aren't taking it seriously and what they really what i mean that that's like fast forward to when

01:52:31.480 this bill's passed and it's like what you didn't give them life in prison for for spray painting

01:52:36.520 the synagogue like that's

01:52:38.580 crazy that

01:52:39.940 he just went there with that because it's like

01:52:42.760 where I

01:52:44.620 thought he was going is although

01:52:46.580 sure it's a hateful thing that was

01:52:48.540 done maybe just charge

01:52:50.560 them for the actual crime of vandalism

01:52:52.500 and call it a day we already have

01:52:54.400 laws against this stuff they broke

01:52:56.460 the law and just

01:52:58.340 just deal with the regular

01:53:00.400 law that we already have

01:53:01.660 but instead

01:53:03.800 it was the mob mentality of 0.51

01:53:06.440 these different tribes wanting no no no we want to charge them even more why don't we throw them 0.72

01:53:10.120 in jail because of this it's it's weird how he just kind of glossed over that as if it's yet 0.89

01:53:14.800 he basically said yeah it's going it's going to add people to be more tribal and i'd be more

01:53:19.340 bloodthirsty of wanting to charge them more like can we talk about how that would be a massive

01:53:22.940 problem brian lily in terms of you know people wanting to weaponize this bill against one another

01:53:27.940 hopefully that comes up he just kind of presumed all that that was going to happen um really ought

01:53:34.460 to be doing on on this i think is splitting it into so you know there should be a summary

01:53:40.600 conviction option for this for those situations that are less serious i can certainly see why are

01:53:45.520 we assuming that this is like worth like that again why are we assuming that this legislation

01:53:50.080 is like worthy of being saved or corrected that's what i don't get because runkle are you not sort

01:53:58.860 of promoting the idea that we should be moving the line of what's criminal to start to involve

01:54:05.400 speech more to me i feel like this is a horrible precedent to be setting um why is it valid at all

01:54:12.180 what are the redeeming qualities at all of any of this situations where it might be really really

01:54:18.060 serious if you've got somebody you know the they've got the swastika tattoo on their forehead

01:54:24.100 they go to a synagogue they barricade the doors and they set it on fire while everyone is inside

01:54:30.200 i mean first of all they'd be looking at life imprisonment anyway but well exactly

01:54:36.980 exactly so why do we need extra charges if that's the case

01:54:43.980 you know identify the individual criminal for their individual crime

01:54:49.460 that would be i still think you know that's a situation where you're like okay that's where

01:54:56.300 we want to take it up to a life imprisonment maximum but we don't necessarily want to do this

01:55:01.140 over somebody who you know at a bus stop throws an empty coffee cup like is this really the same

01:55:08.560 category do we need a life imprisonment like maximum does it have to be that indictable

01:55:14.080 offense that triggers all of these protections or should maybe the the crown be able to say

01:55:18.980 we're going to proceed summarily in this case because well it might be you know might be more

01:55:25.240 serious but we still don't need to to go that far you know life doesn't have to be on the table for

01:55:31.740 this one i want to hear your thoughts on what some all right i need to quickly run to the

01:55:38.540 little boys room but i wanted to throw something up on screen you guys will probably hate it um

01:55:48.220 Um, just give me a sec here.

01:55:56.140 Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

01:55:58.860 How long is this?

01:56:00.040 I don't even know how long it is.

01:56:01.360 Uh-oh.

01:56:03.940 I saw this video come across my feed today, so we're going to watch it together.

01:56:08.680 Well, actually, I'm going to go to the bathroom, but you guys can watch this. 1.00

01:56:11.820 Cities with the most Indian population. 1.00

01:56:13.600 Number one, you got Toronto, Ontario.

01:56:15.420 Toronto has the largest Indo-Canadian population in Canada.

01:56:18.220 Most Indo-Canadians in Toronto, they live around Brampton, Markham, Scarborough, Etobicoke,

01:56:22.220 and Mississauga, but mainly Brampton. Number two, Vancouver, British Columbia. Vancouver is home to

01:56:25.980 the second largest Indo-Canadian population in Canada with a significant presence in Surrey,

01:56:30.300 Burnaby, Richmond, Abbotsford, and Delta. Number three, you got Calgary, Alberta. Calgary has a

01:56:35.740 growing Indo-Canadian community primarily in the northeastern and eastern parts of the city. Number

01:56:39.580 four, you got Edmonton, Alberta. Edmonton also has significant Indo-Canadian population mainly

01:56:44.540 concentrated in the southeastern and northern areas. Montreal, Quebec. Montreal has a sizable

01:56:49.420 Indo-Canadian community with many residents living in the neighborhoods of Park Extension,

01:56:53.740 Cote de Neige, and La Salle. These cities have become hubs for the Indo-Canadian community due

01:56:58.220 to their diverse economies, educational opportunities, and vibrant multicultural

01:57:02.860 environments. Top five Canadian cities with the most Indian population. Number one, you got Toronto,

01:57:07.260 Ontario. Toronto has the largest Indo-Canadian population in Canada. Most Indo-Canadians in

01:57:11.820 in Toronto. They live around Brampton, Markham, Scarborough, Etobicoke, and Mississauga, but

01:57:15.600 mainly Brampton. Number two, Vancouver, British Columbia. Vancouver is home to the second largest

01:57:19.440 Indo-Canadian population in Canada with a significant presence in Surrey, Burnaby,

01:57:23.960 Richmond, Abbotsford, and Delta. Number three, you got Calgary, Alberta. Calgary has a growing

01:57:28.920 Indo-Canadian community primarily in the northeastern and eastern parts of the city. Number four,

01:57:32.980 you got Edmonton, Alberta. Edmonton also has a significant Indo-Canadian population,

01:57:36.820 mainly concentrated in the southeastern and northern areas. Montreal, Quebec. Montreal has

01:57:41.560 a sizable indo-canadian community with many residents living in the neighborhoods of park

01:57:46.020 extension cote de neige and la salle these cities have become hubs for the indo-canadian community

01:57:50.800 due to their diverse economies educational opportunities and vibrant multicultural

01:57:55.340 environments top five canadian cities with the most indian population number one top five

01:58:00.060 canadian cities with the most indian oh my god wow wasn't that great isn't that great news guys

01:58:06.280 it's amazing don't complain hey if you send the wrong comment if you make the wrong comment

01:58:12.900 in the comment section of that video you might go to jail okay people might show up at your home

01:58:18.320 uh you might be put on house arrest actually if we think that you might write the wrong comment

01:58:23.700 commit a hate speech crime we actually might put you on house arrest anyway uh yeah i i'm sorry to

01:58:31.180 put you guys through that, but I needed to, uh, go to the bathroom and, oh my God, I played

01:58:39.280 twice. I'm so sorry, guys. I apologize. I'm back. We're back. What's all these poop emojis

01:58:46.640 doing here? What are you guys implying? Fat Quinn, fat Quinn glue Google says, Greg needs

01:58:56.020 some trailer park piss jugs that's gross that's really funny though that that could probably be

01:59:06.900 a hook should that be a hook for my streams that i have i have piss jugs and i'll just be here on

01:59:12.100 camera while i'm going oh is that what you guys want to see i don't know if that would be good 0.99

01:59:19.620 content that sounds kind of disturbing these Indians have to go back to 0.97

01:59:27.900 Indiana totally agree man we all came from Indiana okay we've been going for 1.00

01:59:40.500 about two hours. Um, so let's get through this reaction. Let's keep it going. Let's keep it

01:59:53.020 going. Take us to the piss jugs. Nope. Nope. No piss jugs. Okay. Have in my view, unfairly 0.95

02:00:04.820 characterizes thought crimes. Look, I don't like the portions of the bill related to the peace

02:00:08.600 bond for fear of committing a hate crime. Yeah, not, not my favorite part of the bill. But

02:00:15.180 it's not. First off, the Harper government put this in and maybe you would know if it's ever

02:00:22.320 been challenged. The Harper government put this in in one of their last bills in 2015 for fear of

02:00:30.240 committing terrorism. And it's still on the books. So if it's been challenged, it hasn't been

02:00:36.220 successfully challenged but there is a requirement that if you're going to try and uh have someone

02:00:44.740 get a peace bond for fear that they will commit a hate crime you've got to get the attorney general

02:00:49.860 involved that's a pretty high bar yeah then you've got to take it to a judge and present the evidence

02:00:54.560 that's a pretty high bar there are at least checks and balances on that that there aren't in other

02:01:00.740 provisions of this bill, like the Section 13 that we can get into in a moment. I still don't like it,

02:01:06.940 but do you think that sort of thing would face a challenge or would successfully survive a

02:01:13.580 challenge? Has this sort of thing been challenged before, this fear of a crime? I mean, that just

02:01:19.260 leaves me feeling uneasy that you're going to get something for fear of a crime. The thing is that

02:01:24.520 they have to actually bring evidence to say that that fear is reasonable and is supported. So they

02:01:30.140 can't simply i don't think that they'd be able to get this on the basis of you have posted online

02:01:35.620 and you dislike a particular group really you think you simply just think no they would never

02:01:45.540 do that that would never happen bro that would never happen bro uh i i disagree with you there

02:01:53.360 runkle um i don't think you know trucker convoy has not come up the different political prisoners

02:01:59.100 in this country have not come up

02:02:00.420 where they have used existing laws

02:02:04.020 to persecute people

02:02:06.000 who have the wrong opinion.

02:02:09.080 You have Archer Pervlowski

02:02:10.520 who got charged with, what,

02:02:12.040 destroying infrastructure

02:02:13.300 for simply delivering a sermon

02:02:14.780 at a protest.

02:02:16.960 You have Jeremy McKenzie

02:02:18.420 picking up a whole slew of charges,

02:02:20.940 all of which have been dropped

02:02:23.400 or stayed,

02:02:24.980 and he's a completely innocent man.

02:02:29.100 he was a very he was one of the probably the most outspoken dissident in the country criticizing

02:02:35.200 humiliating the rcmp multiple times but they found a way they found a way to make him look

02:02:42.600 like a villain based on a bunch of bullshit you don't think they would use this new legislation

02:02:48.180 to go after dissidents in any way that they can respectfully runkle this is this is the most

02:02:57.580 naive that i've seen you here maybe you're not aware of the different political prisoners or

02:03:01.560 maybe you're don't know the whole story maybe you're not as cynical as me but uh oh they would

02:03:09.080 never use this legislation to just you know without without evidence and that's what i find so scary

02:03:14.720 that they're even entertaining this oh no no don't worry bro they need they need evidence they need

02:03:19.380 to make evidence and make a case and make an argument they've they've made all sorts of

02:03:23.500 arguments about people they don't like they've said that people are far right and they're evil

02:03:28.420 and they want to kill us all and they're inherently racist and all this stuff it would not even be that

02:03:33.620 hard to make make the argument and it comes down to the what the bias attorney general

02:03:39.020 to give the go ahead like none of this is making me feel good at all has this sort of thing been

02:03:46.040 challenged before this fear of a crime i mean that that just leaves me feeling uneasy that

02:03:51.000 you're going to get something for fear of a crime. The thing is, is that they have to actually bring

02:03:56.040 evidence to say that that fear is reasonable and is supported. So they can't.

02:04:03.100 The fear, like, Runkle, is this not, you know, we're getting into the emotions now of like,

02:04:12.780 hey is your is your fear valid is that a valid fear when has fear actually maybe fear does

02:04:21.000 probably come up in the law because when it comes to like feeling threatened you need to like

02:04:25.360 be fearful but um hmm so maybe there is a legal presence for fear anyway let's keep going

02:04:32.340 simply liquid zoo oh greg please talk to him we'd love to talk to runkle um he sounds like

02:04:39.100 friendly guy yeah would definitely love to you know after watching this i'll get his take and

02:04:44.620 i definitely want to ask him some some tough questions about the bill hypotheticals i don't

02:04:50.300 think that they'd be able to get this on the basis of you have posted online and you dislike a

02:04:56.460 particular group it would have to be something a little more serious than that because if they

02:05:00.860 start using it to just police speech then they're going to run into serious charter issues but when

02:05:07.100 is when has that stopped people in the past you know we we have the whole mandates

02:05:14.940 the mandates for injections which ended in the trucker convoy that violated our charter rights

02:05:21.180 did it not no one cared about the charter then you know this this idea that the charter still

02:05:26.460 means something is is crazy to me we do actually have a number of these provisions that allow for

02:05:32.220 And the thing is, is like, it's sure there's people putting forth, um, uh, court challenges

02:05:38.180 right now, using the charter as a precedent to like, you know, like find the government

02:05:41.480 or whatever it is, but that's not straightforward.

02:05:45.840 That's not easy.

02:05:46.800 That costs a lot of money and you're up against the government who has like infinite funds

02:05:51.360 to defend themselves.

02:05:52.420 Like, that's not as like, you know, they could still use turn it up a bit.

02:05:58.180 Sorry.

02:05:58.360 I'll put my, my, my face closer to the microphone.

02:06:00.540 having this legislation

02:06:05.800 in place would allow the government

02:06:07.760 to pick on people they don't like

02:06:09.700 and drag them through

02:06:11.460 accusing them of a future hate crime

02:06:14.100 and then what

02:06:15.580 Runkle you're saying that oh but then they could

02:06:17.400 sue the government after the fact

02:06:19.000 after their lives have been destroyed for doing nothing

02:06:21.300 just because someone had a fear that they were going to do something

02:06:24.080 we're totally skimming over

02:06:26.740 the insane implications of this

02:06:29.720 for uh for instance a peace bond if it looks like you're going to get into a fight with somebody

02:06:36.740 you may never have done so but they they do sometimes impose peace bonds for instance

02:06:41.860 uh when like two neighbors can't get along and they keep getting into situations

02:06:47.300 but they do need evidence for that and i don't think we're going to see this used a lot i think

02:06:54.240 we're assuming it's going to pass i don't think we're going to see this used a lot

02:07:03.820 why would we why do we need it why do we need to have it why would we want to have a pre-crime bill

02:07:11.880 a thought it's literally a thought crime bill when you have a big enough fear something's

02:07:16.180 going to happen then you get to then you get to charge somebody crazy i suspect we'll see

02:07:23.260 this used actually in situations where people have already committed some sort of hate propaganda

02:07:29.620 offense or hate crime but hate propaganda offense might be difficult for them to lay out the full

02:07:38.220 proof or where the circumstances might be such that all right so let me give you an example and

02:07:44.560 tell me if i'm on the right track wrong track uh i'm some yahoo some jerk who every weekend goes

02:07:51.780 out to a church, the synagogue, a mosque, temple, what have you. And I'm always outside with the

02:07:58.460 really nasty slogans. I'm screaming in everyone's face. He's talking about, uh, you know, pro

02:08:04.100 Palestine or Hamas, Hamas supporters probably hypothetically, but he's, I think he's kind of

02:08:09.580 anyway, every weekend. Could they eventually just say, you know what? We think he's going to keep

02:08:15.420 coming back. We need to do something. Is that where this provision would come in or, or is it

02:08:21.260 something else now the thing is they could probably already use provisions like just the existing peace

02:08:27.900 bond provisions depending on what it is that you're saying which seems like is a real issue with this

02:08:33.500 bill is that there's a lot of it where it's there's already provisions in the law yeah i mean one of

02:08:39.740 the things is that they could put like an electronic monitoring device on you which

02:08:44.060 that is concerning to me because those are actually incredibly expensive and you pay for

02:08:48.540 that if they impose it on you um normally you see those on like bail conditions where somebody's

02:08:54.620 like i will agree to pay for this because otherwise the alternative is that i will

02:08:59.580 not be let out i'm concerned that they may put these conditions on people and then like

02:09:05.340 we've imposed on you and you have to pay for it that might be very concerning

02:09:09.340 and so if you can't pay why is that the most concerning part that you have to pay for it

02:09:13.420 what why why is having to pay for it the most concerning part not the part about hey we're

02:09:22.620 we made an argument that we're afraid of you what you might do in the future

02:09:26.080 uh oh but then he had to he had to pay for his own ankle monitor what injustice pay for it you've

02:09:34.720 got to stay in jail well they can't really jail you on this because it's a peace bond it's just

02:09:40.500 like are people going to end up with these debts that can then be enforced i'm not sure how that's

02:09:44.920 going to end up working but the standards for this i think are going to actually be fairly

02:09:49.340 high it has to be reasonable ground again think think it's going to be reasonably high

02:09:54.660 what if everyone involved in the decision making process is totally biased for political reasons

02:10:01.480 against the person who whatever argument is being made the person who might commit a hate crime in

02:10:06.840 the future because you can just look at the scenario of the trucker convoy with jeremy mckenzie

02:10:13.200 or arthur bavlowski or any any other of these uh political dissidents and see how this law would

02:10:21.140 obviously be used against them obviously and they would work around the clock to make an argument

02:10:26.960 to get them locked up or monitored with an ankle monitor or what have you just extra

02:10:32.600 extra legislation to pile on because we already saw them pile on legislation to all these people

02:10:39.720 who opposed the government agenda during covid we already saw them pile on all sorts of trumped

02:10:45.820 up charges and the fact that they're not bringing up this angle to this bill of hey remember

02:10:52.740 political prisoners remember remember political dissidents remember how the government has an

02:10:57.060 agenda to specifically pick on specific people. The fact that they're not covering this angle is

02:11:03.260 very, very disappointing. Anyway. For the fear. And usually where you like the main use that you

02:11:10.120 actually see a peace bonds is situations where somebody has already been charged with a criminal

02:11:15.060 offense and it gets sort of pled down, even though a peace bond isn't really a plea. So you'll see

02:11:21.220 situations where like two guys get into a bar fight and instead of saddling them with a criminal

02:11:26.360 record they'll say how about you guys you know how about you just go on a peace bond and stay

02:11:31.760 away from that dude maybe get some uh maybe get some treatment you can't both be at billy's bar

02:11:37.200 on friday and you got to stay away from each other exactly so here you may see situations

02:11:42.940 where somebody has already committed or likely committed a hate propaganda offense or a hate

02:11:48.720 crime and instead of going through that full prosecution you may see them imposing this as a

02:11:54.380 you know as a step down and so it's like rather than proceeding with charges i think that'll be

02:12:00.480 the main use that you see for this is somebody who's already committed it ian you are are fairly

02:12:06.420 i don't know this this all feels like it's it's um like all the hypotheticals they're talking

02:12:12.220 about seems to exist in a world where the government is completely not malicious at all

02:12:19.160 completely not sort of not ruling with an iron fist at all like you know the the trucker convoy

02:12:26.660 never happened there's no evidence of political prisoners no it's just going to be how is this

02:12:31.140 going to affect citizens how how will they use this bill or that bill you know there's nothing

02:12:36.820 nothing wrong with the government whatsoever um it just i don't know it just seems like a very

02:12:43.120 sort of innocent uh worldview that they're looking at this this from um as if it's just citizens who

02:12:49.680 are going to be you know accusing other citizens with it without any sort of political bias any

02:12:54.180 sort of political agenda at play it's not part of the larger picture whatsoever i mean it would be

02:13:00.280 really interesting actually to hear runkel's opinion on this bill since everything that's

02:13:04.020 happening in the uk that's actually a really good place to uh to start from um uh robust in

02:13:13.520 defending civil liberties you would you would never be charged for criticizing a group of people

02:13:18.300 people complaining about immigrants in the uk literally getting thrown in jail right now and

02:13:22.720 charged constantly that would never happen here though and you you seem to be saying

02:13:28.920 could be some problems with this but don't worry too much about this section

02:13:32.860 this isn't the part that actually worries me the most so what what does that um things there's

02:13:40.100 it's largely the the material about what they can take off sorry real quick he doesn't worry you the

02:13:46.020 most but still as a lawyer as someone who follows legislation and law very closely what other sort

02:13:52.840 of what is like this part what has existed that is similar to this um part of the legislation

02:14:02.740 where hey if we make the argument that we're afraid enough that somebody might do something

02:14:07.840 in the future then we're going to persecute them when has this ever happened in history

02:14:14.200 like anywhere i don't i don't know that much about the law and the history of law but

02:14:18.240 again i feel like they're kind of just glossing over this part um

02:14:23.540 they're saying yeah no if we just if you can make the argument that you think someone's going

02:14:31.000 to do something bad in the future then yeah we should be able to oh they haven't committed a

02:14:34.800 crime yet oh yeah yeah i mean a lot of the examples that they use they're just their

02:14:43.460 example like you know they're i feel like they're really not um there's a naivete in the air in this

02:14:50.160 conversation especially when you're not considering um the evidence of political prisoners in canada

02:14:56.820 since uh 2022 offline and what they can um rewind it a bit you know what the the material

02:15:04.040 most replayed parts coming up most so what what does that um things there's it's largely the

02:15:12.100 the material about what they can take offline and what they can um you know one of the concerns i

02:15:18.800 have is actually with the uh the intimate images the revenge porn aspect of things and i think

02:15:25.180 that that is way too broad it's very and i mean this is one of those things where everyone is

02:15:30.540 like you shouldn't be doing that you shouldn't be sharing i don't know anyone in favor of revenge

02:15:36.060 porn except that you will actually if you frame the question right find everyone in favor of

02:15:41.900 revenge porn okay so what do you think of the sistine chapel beautiful piece of art beautiful

02:15:49.660 piece of art and it's actually revenge porn believe it or not uh at least portion of it uh

02:15:55.420 one of the pope's sort of figures uh was criticizing the painting of it because he felt

02:16:01.340 that there were too many nudes on it and so michelangelo as a bit of a sort of a you know

02:16:07.260 take this uh amended one of the figures to put that guy's face on it and then depicted that person

02:16:14.220 being bitten south of the equator by a snake and that is that's permanently on there it's a nude

02:16:22.340 figure um and that was specifically done as a screw this guy and it's one that now persists

02:16:29.660 throughout history but it's also a great work of art is this going to be something that we go

02:16:35.080 and we know that this person gave no consent to this um there's actually a lengthy history of

02:16:41.960 using nudity in political commentary, depicting your political opponents as nude, typically

02:16:49.040 in unflattering ways. We've seen this with Trump, for instance. There's lots of people

02:16:54.800 who have depicted Trump sort of having a small penis. Obama made a comment about Trump having

02:17:03.060 a small penis, I think, the other night at the DNC, the Democratic National Convention.

02:17:08.060 in the nude and sort of de-emphasize certain uh body parts well trump has not given his consent

02:17:16.300 to that but it also is very broad it is if it is reasonable to suspect that the person had a

02:17:22.840 reasonable expectation of privacy and the person does not consent to the recording being communicated

02:17:27.260 well reasonable to suspect is a very very low standard and it doesn't mean that there's no

02:17:35.520 sort of proof required and so for example if there is um any artificially created image

02:17:43.040 that depicts somebody in the nude how do you know as if you're the provider how do you know

02:17:48.880 who this person is there's no requirement to track this person down and so if it just

02:17:54.400 if somebody creates an image of nobody who actually exists it's just an image of a something

02:18:01.280 that looks like a person but is not actually duplicating a person and with ai right now

02:18:07.200 and the image is coming out yep um then the they would have to take that down

02:18:14.240 notwithstanding the fact that they that there is no actual person who looks like that because the

02:18:19.120 the organization doesn't know they would say it's reasonable to suspect that this is a person

02:18:25.280 and so we get into this real thing of policing content and all of this stuff basically they have

02:18:30.800 have to respond within 24 hours when they get a notice and so we may see a lot of a lot of

02:18:37.600 situations where people are flagging content and it has to be taken down because there's no way

02:18:43.400 that they can determine that it's not actually you know intimate content communicated without

02:18:48.360 consent and that may also apply to things that are not even pornographic because if they have

02:18:53.920 a 24-hour turnaround and they get something flagged it may well be that the response is

02:18:59.380 just to take something down so for instance you have your podcast somebody flags it as containing

02:19:05.920 you know whatever material it might have to be taken down offline until somebody looks at it and

02:19:12.400 they may not want to go through like if your podcast is an hour they may say it's easier for

02:19:17.500 us to just take it down and never repost it rather than go through it right so he's talking about how

02:19:24.520 So when you flag something under this part of the legislation, it would be up to some employee at Facebook or Google to look through the content to make sure it's not like, you know, violating some some crime according to or some content violation according to not Facebook or Google, but to the Canadian government's classification of online content.

02:19:48.620 see how convoluted that is if you're the facebook employee you have to what watch the content consume

02:19:55.220 the content make this judgment call um or you can just take it down uh because the consequence of

02:20:02.580 making the wrong decision is you might have your what your corporation facebook might get find

02:20:09.480 millions of dollars so a lot easier just to take it down for me as a content creator

02:20:17.500 your first 24 hours up online, your first 40 hours up online, and you know this from

02:20:23.600 your very popular YouTube channel, that's when you get most of your views. That's when you get

02:20:28.580 most of your clicks. And so if you get flagged, if you get essentially swatted, and it's taken

02:20:35.900 down, you're not getting that back. That's especially, you know, the graph is basically,

02:20:41.780 it goes straight up and then plateaus in terms of views. You get almost everything within that first

02:20:47.260 24, 48 hours. And if you have a really good 24 to 48 hours, you can keep going.

02:20:53.260 But if you don't, it's it's just flat the whole time. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. If you got got hit

02:20:59.200 in that time and especially you could also consider what if you happen to get the big scoop?

02:21:04.380 You've got you've got the story no one else has. You know, you get a picture of a politician

02:21:11.080 like breaking into his ex-wife's house you know something stunning like that yeah you posted online

02:21:18.560 the pull you know the political party that this targets might have an incentive to make a false

02:21:24.660 report it gets knocked down for 24 hours everyone's talking about it but you're not getting the

02:21:30.600 you know you're not getting the traffic of everyone wanting to come and see your pictures

02:21:35.140 and by the time you get it back online those pictures are probably now everywhere and so

02:21:41.400 they've managed to effectively punish you for getting this report by preventing you from

02:21:45.760 successfully monetizing it and if you can't make money in this game then well you're out of

02:21:53.320 business so well you just keep doing that to if there's a particular news organization that is

02:21:59.200 critical of a particular party you just keep sniping them every time they try to make money

02:22:04.420 pretty soon they go to business the abuse potentials for this become very huge

02:22:09.720 interesting how once again they're talking about the monetary implications

02:22:14.980 of uh you know having your stuff taken down they never really brought up the i mean they were they

02:22:22.460 never used the word censorship but like that's kind of it could easily be used that way too

02:22:30.840 right if there's information that's out there that you don't want out there

02:22:35.680 that makes xyz look bad um then yeah you get it taken down within 24 hours doesn't go nearly as

02:22:43.240 viral right so there's censorship potential imagine there was uh you know a government

02:22:50.000 that wanted to censor its own citizens i know that's kind of like hard it's not part of the

02:22:54.060 conversation we're having here i'm apparently apparently that's not really coming up but um

02:22:59.300 imagine a world where the government didn't want to censor its own citizens and had no intention

02:23:06.760 of doing that ever let me ask you about section 13 coming back i was part of the campaign from

02:23:14.380 about 05 06 until 2011 i think it was withdrawn uh to get rid of section 13 and

02:23:22.960 And for this to come back, it seems like the language is trying to be a bit more nuanced.

02:23:32.200 It's trying to have some parameters around it in ways that it didn't before.

02:23:37.000 But I'm still concerned about the Human Rights Commission and the Human Rights Tribunal being able to find someone $20,000 based on an anonymous complaint of someone who may or may not have been actually harmed by what was said or done.

02:23:52.960 um and then it becomes a money-making opportunity for people like we were saying instead of taking

02:23:59.340 away the monetization ability for a news organization let's say you're making it so

02:24:05.360 that someone can make 20 grand a pop every time they complain that ian runkel well he said something

02:24:11.280 i don't agree with ian runkel said something that's against the human rights code and i think

02:24:16.360 we will, we've already

02:24:18.380 seen Jessica

02:24:20.080 Yaniv, for instance, 1.00

02:24:21.700 filed a bunch of complaints

02:24:23.920 and has not had a whole lot of success

02:24:26.160 at the Human Rights Tribunal, but

02:24:28.100 has filed complaints that

02:24:29.900 have been found to be unfounded

02:24:32.520 and apparently for

02:24:34.000 sort of purposes of

02:24:36.320 it looks to me like money making.

02:24:38.960 And so if we see

02:24:40.180 that kind of practice going

02:24:42.260 on, you may have bad

02:24:44.420 actors who are just like, all right,

02:24:46.360 Let's go, like, sniping these for profit.

02:24:48.900 But you may also see a lot of reporting just as people saying, well, this is a way to tie someone up.

02:24:57.580 I don't like what they're saying.

02:25:00.520 I'll make a complaint.

02:25:02.080 Now they're tied up in this human rights tribunal stuff.

02:25:05.640 It can become very difficult to be any sort of political commentator at that point if you're always getting tied up in it.

02:25:12.360 I think back to Mark Stein's famous case with this. One of the complaints about it was, and this is very timely because we're hitting the month of Ramadan, and this joke only makes sense to you and is only funny if you actually understand Islam in Ramadan.

02:25:31.900 And one of Mark's comments was, is it just me or does Ramadan come earlier every year?

02:25:39.040 And of course it does because it comes around every 11 and a half months. 1.00

02:25:42.840 So yes, that's funny.

02:25:46.000 But somebody said, no, that's an insult to Islam.

02:25:48.840 No, it's not.

02:25:49.680 It comes around earlier every year.

02:25:52.260 It's a calendar joke.

02:25:53.700 Yes.

02:25:54.580 And he was tied up with that for a very long time.

02:26:00.180 um and that becomes expensive and then you you start self-censoring we saw the case of the

02:26:08.460 quebecois comedian who made jokes about um a disabled child singer who then ended up having

02:26:15.540 to go to the supreme court as to whether or not that was um that was a violation

02:26:20.280 i'm sure that was a a ton of money on the line for for that process um every time somebody is

02:26:30.000 controversial. And I know that there's people who are going to say, oh, this just affects, you know,

02:26:34.740 the other people on the side of politics. So I don't care because it'll go after the people I

02:26:40.360 don't like. It will, I guarantee you, be used against the side that you like as well. So if

02:26:47.700 you are a right winger, you know, think about what happens if somebody is critical of, you know,

02:26:53.940 any sort of sexuality, et cetera. If you're on the left, think about what happens when somebody

02:26:59.740 post something uh in favor of you know diversity equity and inclusion sorts of things all of these

02:27:07.680 things could be targeted under these provisions and tie people up and we we may end up with a

02:27:14.140 world where we just can't talk online without people sniping us into court apparently is there

02:27:23.240 no fight in

02:27:25.020 Runkle? Like, we may

02:27:27.100 end up in a world

02:27:28.060 and you're just going to roll over

02:27:31.240 and let that happen?

02:27:33.740 That's so crazy to me.

02:27:35.000 We may end up in a world where we just can't

02:27:37.100 talk online anymore.

02:27:40.640 And you're

02:27:41.260 okay with that. Or like

02:27:43.200 you've accepted that that's

02:27:45.300 our fate. There's nothing we can do.

02:27:48.100 I guess we're just going to

02:27:49.200 live in a dystopia.

02:27:51.820 What

02:27:52.260 What is this? Come on, man. Like the demoralization in that comment is crazy.

02:28:00.660 Happens if somebody is critical of, you know, any sort of sexuality, et cetera. If you're on the left, think about what happens when somebody posts something in favor of, you know, diversity, equity and inclusion sorts of things.

02:28:16.460 All of these things could be targeted under these provisions and tie people up.

02:28:21.680 And we may end up with a world where we just can't talk online without people sniping us into court. 0.55

02:28:30.520 Apparently the Human Rights Tribe.

02:28:32.200 That sounds like such a nightmare. 1.00

02:28:37.220 We may end up in a world.

02:28:40.440 Where's the moral outrage?

02:28:42.020 Can we get morally outraged about something?

02:28:43.800 Where's the fight?

02:28:44.800 is the fight where's the oh man he's got the aura he's got the aura we can we can fight this

02:28:51.560 runcle we can make this go away we gotta fight for it though you know by the way is already

02:28:56.140 fully backed up without these provisions um so all of this is going to cost us a lot more because

02:29:03.060 we're gonna have to hire a lot more people to police everything we're saying and doing and

02:29:07.120 thinking they're all using will it's going this is going to happen when this isn't no no no no

02:29:12.920 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:29:14.780 It's not going to pass.

02:29:16.280 It's not going to pass.

02:29:18.940 Andy, is this...

02:29:21.580 I don't deny that either on the child exploitation, the revenge-born side, or on the other side, that there are serious issues here.

02:29:30.560 But do you get the sense that the government is trying to show that they take it very seriously by having very serious sentences, very serious fines, that they are using a sledgehammer to take on a fly when they could have done this in a much more nuanced way, dealt with the issues that are bothering people in a way that's charter compliant, that doesn't lead to the swatting, and that isn't just about performance?

02:29:59.100 i would love to see a much more nuanced much more targeted bill and there's no reason why

02:30:07.080 they can't approach this incrementally they can say listen let's go after the most like the worst

02:30:12.700 stuff that everyone agrees is bad because there are provisions in here that i think are good

02:30:18.460 and provisions that i think are well-intentioned that can be later cut you know later fixed in

02:30:25.680 ways that will the road to hell is paid with good intentions it's got good intentions what does that

02:30:32.360 ever count for though runkle and legislation who cares if it has good intentions what does it

02:30:37.720 actually say what's the actual result will make them good but they just want to cover so much

02:30:46.100 provisions that i think are well intentioned that can be later cut you know later fixed in ways that

02:30:52.980 will make them good but they just want to cover so much stuff that this ends up including everything

02:31:00.520 from really really bad content to hurt feelings and it's the hurt feelings area that really can

02:31:07.440 you know can cause huge problems and it can end up the courts may end up having to look at these

02:31:14.180 provisions and because they're so broad it can be listen we have to throw out the baby with the

02:31:20.360 bathwater because you haven't given us any other choice throw it out throw the whole thing out i

02:31:26.800 agree with that i i think we do need some additional provisions to deal with things like

02:31:32.700 revenge porn and you know targeted deep fakes and these kinds of things but they have to be

02:31:39.220 done carefully and they have to be done with nuance and i think this bill needed a lot more

02:31:44.940 study than it got before it was uh brought forward again so oh well it needs a lot more study a reef

02:31:52.740 was talking about hey we put so much time into this we put so much time into this years we know

02:32:00.640 we took years we took years into this bill and we believe that we have struck in the best balance

02:32:05.960 well runkle disagrees with you a reef oh i have real concerns all right in runkle thank you very

02:32:14.200 much for your time today and they have to be done with nuance and i think this bill needed a lot

02:32:19.680 more study than it got before it was i i think we do need some additional provisions to deal with

02:32:26.960 things like revenge porn and you know targeted deep fakes and these kinds of things i mean just

02:32:34.480 to be like devil's advocate for this it's like what if we just need to encourage better uh internet

02:32:41.580 literacy and better sort of you know more cautionary messages to young people of how to

02:32:48.000 use and consume the internet and i mean at the same time even as i say that i feel like

02:32:53.320 kids probably on average know more than the grown-ups when it comes to like how to use

02:33:00.520 the internet and and move around on the internet uh so i do think it's like they're they're kind

02:33:05.960 of closer to the internet than than the older generation like you know people in their 20s

02:33:11.200 are much more better versed on internet culture how to disseminate if something is fake or real

02:33:17.000 or not than the older generations or at least that's what i've found and um yeah i just feel

02:33:24.740 like this idea of we need to control the internet is totally um misguided because it is you know 0.53

02:33:37.440 Because it's all it's going to amount to is what you have in China.

02:33:40.040 At the end of the day, like, you know, maybe it's just like a fallacy to try or it's like it's it's misguided to try and control the Internet because you're always just going to get a greedy government that wants more money and control.

02:33:55.440 No matter how you cut it.

02:33:57.500 So it's never going to work because the government is always just going to be looking for more control and money.

02:34:03.200 you know how how is it ever going to be done law in a lot like a fair and lawful manner

02:34:11.520 and the other like the major points missed in this conversation was the trucker convoy

02:34:18.300 political prisoners how there's already evidence of this of the crown persecutors using all sorts

02:34:27.480 of laws to pin

02:34:29.520 on political

02:34:31.360 dissonance, people who have

02:34:32.940 opinions that are very critical

02:34:35.440 of the government.

02:34:37.260 They are already throwing on lots of any

02:34:39.340 legislation they could. And there's

02:34:41.440 still political prisoners having to deal with this since the

02:34:43.440 trucker convoy.

02:34:45.080 Why did that not come up in the context

02:34:47.660 of Bill C-63?

02:34:49.560 All I heard during this whole conversation

02:34:51.420 was this naive sort of idea of like

02:34:53.500 no, I mean, it'll

02:34:55.260 surely if someone is charged for

02:34:57.360 a pre-crime it won't be done because of this it won't be done just because someone's criticizing

02:35:01.880 a group of people uh are you sure about that you sure about that because diagonal on jeremy

02:35:11.540 mckenzie ferryman derrick they were talked about in the news media for that same crime of criticizing

02:35:19.060 a group of people you know and we we know full well how coordinated the news media is with the

02:35:25.820 messaging of the liberal government and this idea that bill c63 won't be used as a toolkit

02:35:31.380 for them to further uh punish people with the wrong opinions is just totally naive to me

02:35:37.160 it's totally like what planet are you guys living on that that's not a possibility that should be

02:35:44.540 considered and it's worth mentioning too

02:35:49.160 that and this is this is an interesting topic i would love to see more people talk about this

02:35:56.620 topic because it's i was only kind of brought up to me from one the one doctor on the on the west

02:36:02.800 coast this asian gentleman i forget his name at the moment but he was talking about how you know

02:36:07.480 lawyers kind of love political prisoners and they love this whole kind of

02:36:12.640 thing happening since the convoy

02:36:15.920 because it's a lot of business for them.

02:36:20.380 We need to talk about the idea

02:36:22.340 that lawyers are salivating

02:36:24.500 at the thought of these bills passing.

02:36:29.180 Because let's face it,

02:36:30.660 Runkle's a criminal lawyer.

02:36:33.080 And what do you need?

02:36:34.520 What does a criminal lawyer need

02:36:36.220 to stay in business?

02:36:38.060 He needs criminals.

02:36:39.600 He needs crimes.

02:36:40.780 if a legislation is going to be passed to like expand the definition of crime or expand the

02:36:48.520 reasons why someone might come to him to need his defense that's good for business that's great for

02:36:54.420 business for these lawyers you know that that that's hey wow why business is great you know

02:37:03.020 for the whole freedom thing yeah people are kind of getting thrown in jail for their political

02:37:06.700 opinions and you know persecuted for for having you know much less than committing a crime uh

02:37:12.420 just kind of saying mean stuff online but uh business business is great for me you know i

02:37:17.640 just bought a swimming pool just bought a new house bought a new villa in italy you know um

02:37:23.660 yeah and that and that's and that's a i think it's an important thing to bring up because

02:37:29.000 yes lawyers are experts lawyers look into this stuff they're very autistic with everything

02:37:34.860 they also like making money though

02:37:36.940 and

02:37:39.260 you probably can't help

02:37:41.380 but look at it from that perspective

02:37:42.880 hmm this would be

02:37:45.280 this would be a great

02:37:47.280 industry for us

02:37:48.180 this would be fantastic

02:37:49.580 but yeah we are

02:37:53.340 going to wrap it up here guys

02:37:54.560 thanks for tuning in here

02:37:57.320 a lot of good some good clips in there

02:38:01.100 good clips in there hey big super chat from

02:38:02.960 daryl scurd with five dollars have you seen rowan atkinson's recent comments comparing

02:38:08.640 britain's new laws with some of his old comedy sketches is that mr bean rowan atkins

02:38:16.180 atkinson's i think i've seen this clip but i think it was actually kind of from a little while ago

02:38:22.620 like maybe about a year ago or something like this but i will uh that's a good clip to look

02:38:28.440 up though i will look up that clip because i know if i'm not mistaken yeah he's talking all about

02:38:33.020 free speech and this sort of thing um i'll write that in for next time so you don't have to watch

02:38:42.140 that video of the indian guy talking about how we're being invaded um kelly lloyd says good

02:38:54.400 points greg thank you for the stream yeah thanks for tuning in if you guys want to support free

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02:39:05.020 save free speech help fund our documentary it's in the works it's really good we've been releasing

02:39:10.480 some clips on our channels and this goes to pay the editors this goes to pay the people producing

02:39:16.660 this fine piece of content that's going to expose what bill c63 is actually about uh we need to

02:39:23.000 have that information out there so we can arm the canadian public to resist this bill whoa big

02:39:30.520 donation from kim and kevin watson with a hundred dollars we have to stop this insane bill so true

02:39:37.960 thank you for the huge donation kim and kevin watson really appreciate it and i totally agree

02:39:43.000 i totally agree and i do want to shout out this uh this this donation from the other night i really

02:39:47.820 liked his message. We don't stop this by giving in. Our only chance is to fight it. I'll take a

02:39:53.880 slim chance over no chance. Exactly. Exactly. Let's fight it. Let's throw it out. Let's throw

02:40:01.600 it out. Edgy DTV says shout outs Juan's butter. He's actually based to subscribe to don't talk

02:40:10.800 TV. Greg, you should interview him. Yeah, I heard he's another lawyer who's been talking about this

02:40:15.840 bill um greg have christine on from canadian constitution foundation that's another good idea

02:40:22.440 another great idea absolutely there's a there's a lot of people we could talk to about this bill

02:40:28.500 although there's a lot of there's a lot of videos i need to uh well there's a couple of

02:40:36.800 very important videos that i need to make and they need to be very good um and which is the

02:40:44.800 really the bread and butter of what we do at savefreespeech.ca which is to make these videos

02:40:50.380 ringing the alarm bells explaining the bill so i might stream next week but that's something that

02:40:58.380 i really need to that's really a priority for us for me at savefreespeech.ca to get those videos

02:41:04.460 out and there's a lot of stuff that i need to do on that front but um thank you for hanging out in

02:41:11.500 chat i saw some really nice comments lampshade etiquette said thanks greg we're we all thank

02:41:17.020 you for everything you're doing appreciate it happy to do it voltman platonomist says the

02:41:24.660 government doesn't care about charters and rights look at the coots four yeah exactly exactly yeah

02:41:29.740 the coot like the coots four didn't come up these are people man it's it's crazy how they did not 0.69

02:41:35.380 bring up in that conversation

02:41:37.640 anything about political prisoners

02:41:39.280 in this country

02:41:39.860 the naivety is crazy

02:41:42.540 the naivete

02:41:44.200 is insane

02:41:45.740 but no it's good

02:41:49.040 it's good we're talking about it we're making it

02:41:51.320 happen

02:41:51.720 yeah

02:42:00.980 thanks for all your comments

02:42:03.560 we're going to wrap it up here

02:42:04.740 really appreciate it

02:42:06.760 yeah also if we're also

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02:42:29.000 we have some really cool stuff cooking up

02:42:31.060 that

02:42:32.600 might be out by next week.

02:42:35.320 It'll either be out by next week or

02:42:36.780 beginning of September, but it's going to be a really good

02:42:39.500 thing. Talking about the gender 1.00

02:42:41.200 ideology. Talking about

02:42:43.600 SOGI. 0.93

02:42:46.840 Talking about

02:42:47.520 Antifa.

02:42:49.240 And obviously how it all relates to

02:42:51.160 Bill C-63.

02:42:54.220 We gotta get rid of this

02:42:55.220 naivete. Gotta get rid of this

02:42:57.400 naivete. All this

02:42:59.260 naiveness around this bill is

02:43:01.200 crazy. It's killing me.

02:43:02.600 It's driving me crazy, guys.

02:43:05.180 Crazy.

02:43:07.560 But hey, thanks again for tuning in.

02:43:11.120 Where is our song, Greg?

02:43:13.660 You want me to play a song?

02:43:20.220 What time is it?

02:43:24.940 I could maybe play a quick song.

02:43:30.120 There is a new song.

02:43:31.380 I don't know if it's ready to be played yet

02:43:36.380 But

02:43:36.660 If Lee's requesting a song

02:43:40.260 I'll play a new song that I've been tinkering on

02:43:43.380 Alright

02:43:58.600 Give me a sec to set up here

02:44:01.380 Where's my pics at?

02:44:31.380 where's my tutor at hold on folks hold on okay there's the pig

02:45:01.380 All right, I'll just do a little fashion way

02:45:31.380 tuner we don't need no stinking tuners nah it's a good habit to tune

02:45:42.020 this is the old-fashioned way from idea to submission empower

02:45:48.640 back in my day

02:46:01.380 Guys, we're going to react to this tuning video.

02:46:08.280 Ready?

02:46:18.000 Yeah, is that loud enough or what?

02:46:19.800 Is that loud enough?

02:46:25.920 I think I just need...

02:46:31.380 Thank you.

02:47:01.380 Thank you, Greg.

02:47:02.260 I'm starting from the beginning, and I'll try to leave a meaningful comment.

02:47:06.040 Appreciate that.

02:47:07.340 My E is scuffed, says Edgy DTV.

02:47:12.080 You're crazy.

02:47:16.160 Good enough for me.

02:47:22.200 All right.

02:47:25.400 All right.

02:47:26.420 So this is, have you guys heard of Beck, the artist Beck?

02:47:31.380 This is a cover of, uh, or like a parody, I guess.

02:47:35.600 It's not that funny of a parody, but it's just kind of like a rewrite of one of his songs.

02:47:50.260 Yeah, okay, let's try this.

02:47:53.000 Okay.

02:47:53.440 Okay. 1.00

02:47:56.100 Tonight, the city is full of Jeets.

02:47:59.740 And the toilets are overflowing

02:48:03.920 A child rapist gets a slap on the wrist 1.00

02:48:08.900 If they have the darker of skin 1.00

02:48:12.620 That's right 1.00

02:48:16.560 It's anti-white 0.99

02:48:20.620 It's anti-white

02:48:24.840 Yeah, they hate whites

02:48:28.920 Give the finger to the rock and roll singer 1.00

02:48:38.120 As he spits upon your history

02:48:41.480 Crosses torn down through the blood-soaking ground

02:48:46.440 And on the TV tells you to hate yourself

02:48:50.420 That's right 0.99

02:48:53.780 It's anti-white 0.99

02:48:57.820 There's rising crime 0.99

02:49:02.000 Open your eyes

02:49:06.220 So get out your lead pipe pipe dreams

02:49:14.760 Get out your ten foot flags

02:49:18.500 The insects are huge and they rain over you

02:49:23.160 And the drugs won't save your daughters 0.98

02:49:27.080 and sons, that's right, it's anti-white, it's not far right, it's just anti-white. 0.96

02:49:49.000 I'll do the first verse again. 0.98

02:49:51.260 Tonight, the city is full of jeets and the toilets are overflowing.

02:50:01.660 Child rapists get a slap on the wrist if they have the darker color of skin. 0.88

02:50:11.020 That's right, it's anti-white.

02:50:18.460 There you go. Hey, you can blame Lee. You can blame Lee for forcing me to sing that

02:50:39.340 song yeah if you're curious no not trying to show you the ad

02:51:00.980 it's a song from Beck

02:51:07.920 from one of his like

02:51:09.640 first albums

02:51:11.340 the feeling of not jogging

02:51:13.720 the feeling of winning number one

Greg Wycliffe - August 23, 2024

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