Greg Wycliffe - 🔴LIVE with Frances Widdowson🔴Cancelled Tenured Professor fighting for REASON in Universities🔴

00:00:00.000 all righty welcome everybody we are concerned of course about free speech in Canada but my

00:00:29.620 guest is mostly concerned about academic freedom not that she's not worried about uh freedom of

00:00:34.960 speech as well but she is francis widdowson she was fired from mount royal university following

00:00:41.820 heavy criticisms of her comments on canada's residential school system and the black lives

00:00:46.340 matter movement uh you're also uh suing the university of lethbridge and you're on a campaign

00:00:54.120 really to uh you know push for rationalism and common sense to be kind of to be made a priority

00:01:01.000 again in uh in universities maybe that's an oversimplification but thank you so much for

00:01:06.000 joining me uh joining me this uh this evening how are you great thanks for having me on yeah

00:01:12.880 absolutely uh there's there's some clips going around of uh of you giving these lectures

00:01:17.380 talking about academic freedom and there's people kind of just kind of just losing it you know

00:01:23.040 they're kind of based on what i've seen of you so far you're really like the worst nightmare

00:01:28.560 for some of these like progressive types especially especially the so-called you know

00:01:33.140 progressive intellects because you keep your eye on the ball you ask questions you ask good

00:01:39.360 questions and that seems to really upset people um why uh why do you like i mean that's this

00:01:46.380 probably been happening for a long time but if you could quickly uh tell us about uh when you

00:01:51.600 first became a professor and when you first started to see this sort of trend happening

00:01:56.980 of, uh, of maybe politics coming into the university or just sort of this weird, like

00:02:02.400 feelings over logic starting to become more popular.

00:02:07.540 Yes.

00:02:08.380 So this has been happening since the 1960s.

00:02:12.060 So it has been going on for quite a while.

00:02:14.320 So I never I entered into the university system as a graduate student in early, I guess it was 1990 and at the University of Victoria.

00:02:26.720 And there was a meltdown then in 1992 by what's called a gender feminist group that accused all the male professors of sexism and racism at the University of Victoria.

00:02:40.040 And there was a big blow up about it then.

00:02:42.760 And I was somewhat sympathetic to it at the time.

00:02:47.560 I thought, you know, there were perhaps some problems.

00:02:50.760 But really, in the end, nothing was substantiated about that.

00:02:54.120 And it was, again, a power struggle.

00:02:57.220 So that was my first sneak preview about that.

00:03:01.180 Then I worked in the government of the Northwest Territories for five years.

00:03:06.200 And for a couple, I was involved with implementing the Aboriginal traditional knowledge policy.

00:03:12.760 and that's when i began to understand some of the serious problems with aboriginal policy in canada

00:03:21.800 and i had problems there i because i worked for the government i wasn't able to speak freely so

00:03:28.520 i decided to pursue an academic career where that's where you're able to pursue the truth then

00:03:34.040 no one is going to stop you from investigating questions and so on that's what it's supposed

00:03:40.440 what's supposed to be what it's all about right exactly that's what i had been led to believe

00:03:45.900 and everything was pretty good i had you know i was always a a dissident position because of my

00:03:52.940 criticism of you know revitalizing indigenous culture as a solution to aboriginal problems

00:04:00.160 i didn't think that was going to be effective in enabling indigenous people to

00:04:05.560 become part of the labor force, which I think is a crucial aspect of Indigenous empowerment.

00:04:13.240 So, but still people tolerated me. And sometimes they even said that I offered a contribution to

00:04:19.980 the existing discussions. And I luckily obtained a position at Mount Royal University, which was

00:04:26.040 becoming a university in 2008. It was a great institution. It was a fantastic institution,

00:04:32.460 which understood the academic character and worked with great administrators.

00:04:39.320 Robin Fisher was the provost and Manuel Merton was the dean.

00:04:43.040 And they protected, they were serious academics who protected my academic freedom.

00:04:49.300 And then in 2016, we began a process of what was called indigenizing the university.

00:04:57.320 and that was the beginning of the end because what it did is it got the university to actually

00:05:03.740 take a position on what was called indigenous ways of knowing respecting and valuing indigenous

00:05:11.600 ways of knowing okay let's back it up just a little bit before we get into that

00:05:15.300 so you were working for the government in the northwest territories and there was policy coming

00:05:22.680 in that that had a similar flavor of like this is like specifically indigenous policies could you

00:05:27.920 give us an example uh of some sort of indigenous policies that that was a red flag to you that just

00:05:34.300 kind of seemed illogical yes and this was the big powder keg it was called uh well traditional

00:05:41.860 knowledge so traditional knowledge is a is a combination of what's called local knowledge

00:05:47.180 which is uh people who live in an area for a long period of time they recognize various patterns

00:05:54.200 uh that exist you know uh red sky at night sailors delight red sky in the morning sailors

00:06:01.020 take warning that sort of thing which is valid it's just not very systematic and it doesn't have

00:06:06.560 the type of verification processes of the scientific method so but it's still it's got

00:06:12.520 validity to it but then the other part of traditional knowledge is the spiritual beliefs

00:06:17.140 so uh well the best one is animals presenting themselves to be killed is a spiritual belief

00:06:25.520 of indigenous people in the northwest territories which is if an animal comes you see an animal it 0.99

00:06:33.080 is presenting itself to be killed and you have an obligation to kill it because that's why it is

00:06:38.860 there and if it weren't there it wouldn't be there and this is disrespectful to the animal not to kill

00:06:44.060 But of course, if you're trying to have conservation measures about endangered species, you know, this can have quite a destructive impact on the wildlife.

00:06:54.700 So these kinds of things. And there's all sorts of beliefs that are not that well, not scientifically valid and are erroneous that in the traditional knowledge policy, again, it has this sort of language where you're supposed to be respecting and valuing this and not criticizing it and not questioning it.

00:07:15.860 And in fact, you're usually called a racist if you question whether this enables us to better understand the natural world.

00:07:28.820 And I suppose that's always baked into the cake with policies like that.

00:07:34.280 It's like, OK, we need to respect this and we need to follow this.

00:07:38.060 And by the way, questioning it is actually really, really bad.

00:07:40.680 You cannot you're not allowed to question this stuff.

00:07:43.020 That was that was also the case when you were in the Northwest Territories.

00:07:45.860 Yes. And you weren't allowed. Albert Howard and I, that's when I met Albert Howard, who was my co-author on a number of articles and books. Anyway, we wrote a piece in 1996, and I was a government worker at the time. I did it as a private citizen called Traditional Knowledge Threatens Environmental Assessment, because I'd just been involved in a year-long going to hearings about traditional knowledge.

00:08:12.140 And basically, it could be used to justify all sorts of environmentally unsustainable practices, because it was basically anything that the elders said it was.

00:08:25.560 and i was disciplined for writing this article and that's when i decided that i i really wasn't

00:08:34.380 going to last very long in the government because i i really had a hard time just kind of you know

00:08:40.640 agreeing with these things which obviously had serious problems with them and were political

00:08:46.200 like the whole thing was political to get indigenous groups to go along with the diamond

00:08:51.000 mine. It was essentially a bribe, a fancy bribe to get the Indigenous groups to go along with the

00:08:56.780 diamond mine in the Northwest Territories. So anyway, I thought my insightful position that 0.99

00:09:03.300 was based upon my, you know, hands-on experience in the Northwest Territories would be appreciated

00:09:09.160 in the academic environment. And to some extent it was, but, you know, there was a lot of opposition

00:09:15.200 to it. And anyway, it's just got worse and worse and worse until 2016, which, you know, that was

00:09:21.840 when things really began to turn in an irrational direction. Yeah, probably because of the election

00:09:28.300 of Donald Trump, things got very polarized after that. This had to do with the Truth and

00:09:33.560 Reconciliation Commission. So the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report came out in

00:09:39.020 2015. And many universities saw this as some kind of directive. I don't know why, because

00:09:48.120 usually universities are very protective about having external factors have control over

00:09:56.960 academic decisions. Sorry, before we get into the academic stuff, I do just because you were

00:10:02.160 talking about it just a second ago, indigenous policies and how they sort of threaten,

00:10:06.800 uh you know nature conservation have you heard of undrip un drip um do you have any sort of

00:10:16.620 opinions on that yes yes it is a terrible uh initiative it initially started out as a united

00:10:25.660 nations declaration which was everyone obviously canada was reluctant to sign on to it because it

00:10:33.960 had wording, which gave the impression that Indigenous groups could have a veto over various

00:10:40.680 resource projects. But everyone was encouraged, like, I believe it was Harper that signed on to it,

00:10:48.520 because it was symbolic. And it was just, you know, showing that you wanted to have

00:10:54.360 reconciliation with Indigenous people. So that was, you know, it was not a good thing, because

00:10:59.880 I don't think these symbolic initiatives are a good thing to do anyway because they're dishonest and they don't actually discuss the reality of what's going on.

00:11:12.120 It's kind of pretend. But then things turn for the worse after the 2021 announcement of the remains of 215 children.

00:11:23.580 I believe that that's what prompted the federal government to become involved in basically codifying that or putting it into a kind of a legislative type of framework, which is now Canadian law.

00:11:37.140 and um in bc we have terrible problems now because of this it's drippa is the is the acronym for it

00:11:47.040 but it's the provincial um entrenching it in provincial legislation which now is going to

00:11:54.100 have serious consequences for uh property ownership in various aspects of bc so uh this is this is a

00:12:02.280 really it's really the making it into legislation that's the problem for it yeah and i mean it's

00:12:08.580 it is unfortunate because because there are some some you know more right-wing people who will just

00:12:14.400 say oh all this indigenous stuff is is like nonsense and yeah i think the unfortunate thing

00:12:19.700 is is that you know there is a conversation to be had about how the canadian government has

00:12:24.900 continually sort of used indigenous issues almost as like a crowbar to kind of like wiggle their way

00:12:31.120 to uh take away rights and and i think that like actually um improving the lives of indigenous

00:12:38.280 people is the last thing that any of this legislation is actually focuses on yes and

00:12:44.240 it actually has the opposite effect and that's always been the argument of albert howard and

00:12:49.940 me is that we're we were really sort of looking at the industry what's called the aboriginal

00:12:55.880 industry, which is this group of lawyers and consultants that disiphons billions of dollars

00:13:01.480 a year away from Indigenous communities, when what you need is the high quality services of

00:13:08.260 education, health care, water, housing, all these things which are in a completely disastrous state

00:13:16.480 with all the other social problems which exist. And no one is really tackling those problems at

00:13:24.140 It's always these legal types of initiatives which turn control over to the Indigenous leadership and the Aboriginal industry and the marginalized members of the Indigenous population who should be the main focus of policy are just completely left out of everything that's happening.

00:13:47.400 And that's kind of the saddest thing about it is that, you know, everyone's going to look at what's happening now and say, you know, why bother when, you know, many, many indigenous people are suffering terribly and need serious effort to try to address, you know, the injustices and all the terrible conditions that exist in indigenous communities.

00:14:08.960 yeah okay so let's talk about um indigenization indigenization is that what it's called being

00:14:17.800 pushed in universities yeah and uh because i know there's a lot of different technical things that

00:14:23.960 have kind of you were saying the truth and reconciliation commission so maybe maybe let's

00:14:28.020 fill in the gaps between the truth and reconciliation commission being introduced in 2016 2017 and where

00:14:33.400 we're at now which is we're presenting a bill uh an ndp federal member has said let's let's uh

00:14:42.000 make residential school denialism uh illegal criminal speech uh and of course in between that

00:14:49.360 and i think in 2021 uh there was a motion that everyone in the parliament building says

00:14:54.480 residential schools equals genocide period you know what we don't even need any more of these

00:15:01.460 history books or historical accounts let's just have that one sentence to summarize uh canadian

00:15:06.880 history uh what the heck happened here uh in your assessment yeah it's quite amazing uh that this

00:15:15.840 has happened so and and this is always the way it occurs as well it has it has all these kind of

00:15:23.000 what's called stealth maneuvers where you get people to kind of buy into something and no one

00:15:29.840 really believes it and then it gets you know that it gets planted into the discourse and then

00:15:35.120 you proceed as if everyone is really accepting this so the truth and reconciliation commission

00:15:41.380 their report came out in 2015 and there was a lot of problems with the report one of the biggest

00:15:49.220 one of the largest being they had all these testimonies from people and these testimonies

00:15:56.480 were recounted in um very emotional settings and there was a lot of discouragement of anyone

00:16:05.600 you know putting forth arguments where they would say they they had a good experience at

00:16:10.320 the schools or they they learned things or they had people who were good teachers or anything

00:16:15.680 anything like that was was sort of you got the message that that wasn't really an appreciated

00:16:21.840 um you know kind of perspective and and there's a uh an academic last name needs and i think it's

00:16:28.480 ronald needson called uh truth and indignation is the name of the book and that's a very good

00:16:34.960 book because it kind of lays out the kind of pressures that were there so we got the final

00:16:41.040 uh report uh it had the actual report the others um not summary reports were actually more nuanced

00:16:49.360 than the summary report but the summary report was very politicized and brought forward this term

00:16:56.960 called cultural genocide which is not a recognized term there there's genocide which is um a charge

00:17:06.500 under the un genocide convention which has some legal character to it and then this word cultural

00:17:14.640 genocide was just made up by the truth and reconciliation commission it was made up they

00:17:20.000 made it up well maybe there's someone else who but it wasn't a legal term it didn't know it was

00:17:27.600 it was used instead of the word genocide and everyone at the time said well this isn't really

00:17:34.420 genocide this is cultural genocide and cultural genocide was um you know you stop people from

00:17:42.460 speaking their language and you stop them from having their spiritual ceremonies and and so on

00:17:47.800 which you know for most of the world that's been a common practice in nation building efforts for

00:17:55.580 example france where they were trying to get people to speak french and stop them from speaking their

00:18:01.400 local dialects and you know they would have various punishments for people who spoke the

00:18:08.040 local language like Basque or Brittany and all these different, you know, these smaller languages.

00:18:17.720 And so did France commit cultural genocide against, you know, the northern peoples of France?

00:18:26.740 Like no one would really accept that. And this was sort of discussed at the time that these words

00:18:32.720 came out and then in 2019 they just took away with the murdered and missing indigenous women

00:18:40.640 and girls inquiry they just removed the word cultural so now everyone's talking about genocide

00:18:46.240 and everyone's going wait a minute here yeah we were talking about cultural genocide before we

00:18:52.240 weren't talking about genocide um so anyway so and now it is if you don't if you don't accept

00:18:59.280 the word genocide you're somehow insensitive and you're not someone who wants to solve the

00:19:04.960 problems facing indigenous people yeah yeah uh thanks for covering all that since since kind of

00:19:11.760 focusing all of my sort of efforts and research on free speech and looking at bill c63 and looking

00:19:17.920 at the various sort of like vectors of attack i'm definitely noticing a pattern similar to what you

00:19:22.640 just said which i like to call muddying the waters people start muddying the waters between you know

00:19:28.320 criminal uh violent like actual physical violence and speech and they and they start to say uh and

00:19:36.440 i think there's actually examples uh for your case specifically when you get fired where it's like

00:19:40.520 this is violence this speech is violence and uh it's you know similar to what you were just saying

00:19:48.480 it's like you know cultural genocide is now genocide um it's very important to make a

00:19:53.820 distinction between these two things but when you and i suspect when these people have a sort

00:19:58.940 of political agenda to push something they don't really care about uh you know logic or uh things

00:20:05.180 being consistent they just want to um you know uh they want to kind of just push forth uh their

00:20:12.660 ideas but but you did say something earlier before we started recording which was uh and this might

00:20:17.620 be another good sort of framework to continue to come back to as we continue our discussion

00:20:21.720 you said uh i think something along like compassion is used to silence people or something like that

00:20:27.520 that's like a trend of the woke could you go over yes so this is wokeism and uh i know people think

00:20:34.280 that wokeism and i used to avoid using the term wokeism for this reason it's kind of an insult

00:20:39.560 that people hurl at other people but it actually does have a meaning and it is a phenomenon

00:20:46.840 And people have just adopted this term to describe this, which is identity politics that purports to pursue social justice that has become totalitarian in nature.

00:21:01.280 So historically, identity politics was just one way of approaching things amongst many.

00:21:08.560 But now it's taken over the machinery of universities.

00:21:12.260 it's taken over local councils such as Powell River it's taken over the medical field and

00:21:22.140 definitely education the law is is under attack and what what wokeism does is it says that in

00:21:30.500 order to enable an oppressed group to overcome their oppression you must affirm their subjective

00:21:39.420 beliefs so you must pretend that they're the beliefs that they have about themselves are in

00:21:45.480 fact true and what happens is is that you're told if you don't you don't have compassion for the

00:21:54.740 marginalized and oppressed people and so most people will say I want to help indigenous people

00:22:02.520 I think it's terrible what's happened historically you know I think trans people are suffering

00:22:08.400 terribly and have these terrible problems so i i if if that's what it's going to take just to 0.98

00:22:14.620 believe them and to you know go along with what they're saying well i'm going to do it but that's

00:22:19.720 not what it's it's about it wokeism is not about compassion it's about the woke pretending to be

00:22:28.440 compassionate to get everyone to go along with what they're doing while they basically impose

00:22:35.560 their totalitarian agenda on everyone and so this is a real problem because you know for many years

00:22:43.040 now I've been going wake up stand up stop being manipulated by all this and there's a lot of

00:22:48.920 resistance to it because people are afraid that they're going to be seen like they don't care

00:22:54.720 about obviously the most impoverished and marginalized people in Canada indigenous

00:23:01.820 people and the genocide survivor identity is one of these big ones. So a lot of Indigenous people

00:23:10.800 or a certain segment who everyone is supposed to listen to claims that they are survivors of

00:23:17.500 genocide. And you're told that you should pretend to believe that because this will help these

00:23:24.300 marginalized people overcome their oppression. And it has nothing to do with it. Whether or not I

00:23:30.540 go along with someone saying that they are a survivor of genocide is not going to do anything

00:23:36.480 to help the people suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome in the marginalized Indigenous communities.

00:23:42.980 So they're not connected, but it's a tool that's used by these woke people who are generally not,

00:23:51.520 like they're privileged people themselves who are using this to assert power over other people.

00:24:00.540 and we see this over and over again so people whenever someone is trying to coerce you into

00:24:07.500 going along with some something that you don't believe in you know at least be aware yeah well

00:24:15.260 you know francis it's just very trendy it's very in it's very popular and it's been said before

00:24:22.140 i'm sure you've heard this kind of uh this perspective on it but it does sort of operate

00:24:28.460 like a religion you kind of said it before like you know like if you don't subscribe to these

00:24:33.500 subjective beliefs about a group of people then you are a sinner you are you don't you are a bad

00:24:40.140 person uh don't you want to be a good person don't you don't you want to um repent your sins

00:24:47.100 and yeah and kneel at the altar of wokeism to prove that you are a good person and you know

00:24:51.900 for people who have still have two brain cells to rub together respectfully the people like you know

00:24:57.900 people who um prescribe like people are actually like this people actually say this people actually

00:25:04.420 say well um i'm a good person you know that's why i believe in this and uh it just it's it really is

00:25:12.340 sort of like you know broad brushstrokes there's this strange sort of uh weaponization of feelings

00:25:20.260 where the feelings or the certain beliefs having to do with like someone being a victim becomes

00:25:27.040 the most important aspect of the situation and and if you talk to any i don't know psychologist

00:25:34.180 or therapist they could probably tell you why that's horribly misguided to be a slave to your

00:25:38.980 emotions uh all the time um i kind of went off on a tangent there but yeah there's a great book

00:25:45.240 by jonathan height and uh greg lukianoff called the coddling of the american mind

00:25:50.980 and they say feelings this is a big thing and i should link this when i mentioned a number of

00:25:57.800 minutes ago about that it's been going on since the 1960s and what happened which has really

00:26:03.760 enabled this to happen at least in the university system was the what's a phenomenon which is known

00:26:10.820 which is called post-modernism which is when you knock out the idea there is an objective truth

00:26:18.160 And I know, you know, your listeners, they might think I'm getting into some, you know, highly academic concept here, but I'm not. A universal truth is just you, we both are having this conversation right now, we're able to communicate, because we have some sense that there is a reality that we can both understand.

00:26:39.260 Now, your view of what that is might be different from what my view is, but when we're talking, we're trying to reach a better understanding of that. And we're engaged in this process of doing that. Postmodernism knocks that out and says there is no such thing as this common reality that we're trying to understand.

00:27:00.100 it's really you have your reality and i have my reality and it's all just completely subjective

00:27:07.760 and everyone's valid everything is valid that's so valid in fact if you try to insist on there

00:27:14.700 being an objective truth that we're trying to pursue you're told that you're an oppressor

00:27:20.020 and a colonialist and this is just some kind of you know nefarious power play that you're engaged

00:27:27.200 been to do this and that and that's what started in the 60s and that kind of created the fertile

00:27:32.560 soil for all this identity politics to just insert itself because we we now have no defense against

00:27:39.040 it because it's just well how can i really say that this indigenous person who's saying that

00:27:45.360 they're a genocide survivor how can i really say you know that's not really a valid position because

00:27:52.880 genocide as a concept generally people understand that to mean trying to destroy

00:27:59.440 intentionally destroy a group and there's really no evidence of you know the founding fathers and

00:28:07.600 everyone of trying to destroy indigenous people they obviously were not very competent in various

00:28:16.080 ways and they were very insensitive but if they'd wanted to destroy them then they would have just

00:28:22.880 engaged in mass murder like it's not it's not really all that you know they wouldn't have been

00:28:28.560 thinking through this elaborate school system spending all these resources

00:28:35.120 so as to destroy indigenous people that doesn't make any sense but because we don't have any idea

00:28:42.560 that there's this truth that we're trying to pursue then you know indigenous persons claim

00:28:47.920 that they're a victim of genocide is just as valid as my view that they're not a victim of genocide 0.86

00:28:54.240 you know that that's kind of the problem that we're dealing with and it's really noticeable

00:28:57.360 in the university system because the university system although it didn't live up to its ideal

00:29:03.120 often was about the pursuit of truth that's what it was all about and now you're saying it was

00:29:08.640 as it was no it's totally over it's over like we we lost that i don't know when like i i went into

00:29:17.900 it because i thought that's what that was the the purpose so that was in the 1990s and you know

00:29:24.560 throughout the 2000s it wasn't too bad and then starting in about you know 2014 yeah it was really

00:29:31.300 there's a serious assault on it yeah yeah and it's uh what's so annoying about a lot of these

00:29:36.680 like woke isms is that seemingly there is no sort of conclusion it's never enough there's never

00:29:42.900 enough diversity there's never enough reconciliation like what would that actually

00:29:46.760 look like it's not really quantified at all it's always just sort of this we need to do this and

00:29:53.260 it's like well what does the conclusion look like because if we kept decolonizing everything what

00:29:56.840 would we would we dismantle these institutions brick by brick until we had teepees again like 0.88

00:30:02.660 because but you know if you want to kind of take it to that conclusion like what would all the white 0.67

00:30:07.860 people sail back to europe like well like where where would it end and you know it's it sounds

00:30:12.800 silly but it's like also though where where is the sort of conclusion to any of these sort of

00:30:18.080 ideas but i think that a lot of people make the argument that this is really just almost like

00:30:22.320 vengeance or like revenge sort of uh ideologies that are about uh you know resisting uh the ways

00:30:29.840 that things are uh without any real sort of uh you know objective goal in mind well it's the

00:30:38.220 process so that's what they're gonna say is there is no end okay because uh it's about the process

00:30:45.740 of continuing uh this sort of these measures of various kinds and what you find out especially

00:30:54.020 in the indigenous uh context is it's what's called rent seeking that that's what it's all about so

00:30:59.740 it is about creating the legal case based upon all these Indigenous claims for transfers to be

00:31:11.060 continually provided to the Aboriginal industry. That's the orchestrator of it all. For the wider 1.00

00:31:19.180 woke uh kind of agenda it's about dismantling the legal protections that exist so that

00:31:30.840 power will be able to be asserted over in the interest of and that's a good question in the

00:31:37.620 interest of what personally i think it is in the interest of the international capitalist class

00:31:45.360 that would be my take on it so there's a this is because i come from i'm a socialist myself

00:31:52.400 which is quite an interesting uh intervention into this situation i think there is a conflict

00:31:58.980 between the national capitalist class and the international capitalist class and the

00:32:04.740 international capitalist classes woke wokeism as the international capitalist class google

00:32:10.320 uh all the social media stuff uh the banks the banks are heavily into wokeism the telecommunications

00:32:19.340 companies and what they're doing is they're trying to break down national sovereignty

00:32:23.380 to assert their uh control over the economy and the population and and they're totally opposed

00:32:31.760 to any democratic control over society and so they're breaking that down and then once that goes

00:32:39.500 uh the members of the population will have no ability to fight back against what's coming down

00:32:46.620 the pipe not too long from now so it's a it's somewhat because the situation yeah because they

00:32:52.520 can't collectivize uh around their themselves as a sovereign nation yeah yes they can similar to

00:32:58.400 what you were talking about i read this book called the the return of the strong gods uh but

00:33:03.180 it talked about how all of the sort of it was essentially the origins of post-modernism since

00:33:08.600 post-world war ii and he identified a couple of influential writers or authors at the time

00:33:14.660 and one of the book or one of the the writings was the authoritarian personality and he essentially

00:33:21.120 it laid the groundwork of any time that uh people are trying to like collectivize around like god

00:33:27.740 or the nation um is is just or these like hard truths is a bad thing um and yeah in a nutshell

00:33:37.060 i would i would summarize post-modernism um i saw somebody summarize it this way which is it's the

00:33:43.120 death of god it's the death of objective truth and it's the death of community and uh that's

00:33:48.940 kind of where we're at now uh but anyway let's get into some interesting clips uh of yourself

00:33:57.580 you gave this presentation just a few days ago uh regina public library that was crazy yeah

00:34:04.560 batshit crazy raw footage i'm gonna go to a clip right here first before the before the sort of

00:34:09.860 assault or the person yells at you i want to get the i'm going to listen to the clip of 0.82

00:34:13.780 this guy basically saying you're a nazi um but maybe set it up real quick you're sort of

00:34:20.480 explaining hey this is why i got fired of wrongful termination and i was advocating for academic

00:34:26.920 freedom and uh in it was like the issue of in the indigenization uh you were basically saying

00:34:34.780 as an epic academic i can refuse this idea that the indigenous way of knowing is is the correct

00:34:43.060 one yes so the title was uh indigenization and academic freedom and i was arguing that um

00:34:52.460 academic freedom is about not having a prescribed doctrine which is a predetermined kind of idea

00:34:58.060 imposed upon professors you should be able to challenge all ideas if you have academic freedom

00:35:05.260 and my case is directly related to this because i was questioning indigenous ways of knowing which

00:35:12.300 was part of indigenization and this was created this hostile environment that eventually resulted

00:35:19.500 in me being pushed out of mount royal university anyway there was a one thug who was there who was

00:35:27.100 just impossible to discuss things with and eventually he ended up threatening an 86 year

00:35:33.500 old man in the audience amazing uh so before we get to that that more uh raw clip there there's a

00:35:41.420 you get accused of being a nazi right here to respect and value indigenous ways of knowing

00:35:46.540 You can be racist with impunity.

00:35:48.540 So, but you're assuming...

00:35:50.540 So you can be racist with impunity.

00:35:52.540 ...that to not respect and value Indigenous ways of knowing is racist.

00:35:58.540 You're assuming that?

00:36:00.540 Yes.

00:36:02.540 But that's the question, whether it is racist.

00:36:04.540 It's not a question.

00:36:06.540 It's not a question for you.

00:36:08.540 No, no, not a question. Academically, there's a reason why you got sanctioned and that you're...

00:36:12.540 I think that if you question indigenous ways of knowing, that's racist.

00:36:17.540 No, not question.

00:36:19.540 Like, I think that we all have growth, like, in the Treaty 4, and I'm not from indigenous background,

00:36:25.540 but if you're not willing to understand and take in and comprehend how, oh, wow,

00:36:33.540 indigenous ways of knowledge is a part of treaty alliance, treaty, you know, building,

00:36:40.540 reconciliation truth and reconciliation. I think that there's a reason why here you seem like someone that's obviously not employed by a university. For a reason, right? Because academically, every other place would argue that there's room and understanding and growth. Room and understanding and growth. Yes, but as an academic, you are able to take issue with that.

00:37:08.120 what's so as an academic what's your are you a nazi pardon me are you a nazi so if you question

00:37:16.320 indigenous ways of knowing you're a nazi uh i would okay that's so funny so they just so if

00:37:23.000 you question indigenous ways of knowing you're a nazi i love the look on your face here i gotta 0.54

00:37:27.680 say francis this this sort of like this like this look right here uh are you okay it's like

00:37:35.600 i do i do want to commend you though because you know i've been in situations like that if you

00:37:42.080 didn't know i ran for the ppc in in 2019 before it was popular and you know so you can imagine

00:37:48.480 what it's like uh i'm in a debate stage and with 200 300 like rabid progressives in front of me who

00:37:55.140 just hate my guts and it can be very uncomfortable very uncomfortable but i do commend you for going

00:38:02.460 into those spaces and uh simply speaking your mind and and you do have a lot of you're very

00:38:09.240 you know respectfully stubborn and bold and like yeah this is uh this is the truth this these are

00:38:14.860 the rules so yeah and i you know and i just ask questions so that's kind of what i've learned and

00:38:19.740 actually it's a method called the spectrum stream epistemology which i'm starting to do now where

00:38:25.080 you're just trying to understand why people believe what they believe and how they came to

00:38:30.720 those beliefs and it's a great thing to do because you're just trying to get

00:38:36.180 people to articulate their position and people are not doing that anymore right

00:38:40.800 and and I and I also did a session at the University of Regina after I got

00:38:46.080 cancelled and it was great because I was actually able to go in there with my

00:38:50.940 colleague Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson who's a indigenous psychologist who's a very

00:38:56.040 kind man and very wonderful man and we were able to sort of you know communicate we had some

00:39:02.860 communications that we were engaging so it's all good like if we can just get people to talk about

00:39:11.440 things a bit more and have other people sort of watch then I think we could develop a little bit

00:39:17.740 better understanding of many of these contentious issues than we currently have right now because

00:39:23.760 right now every there's just all this people yelling past one another and people don't really

00:39:29.340 understand the the perspectives people have and and i just want to figure out these perspectives

00:39:36.120 and stop you know sort of uh what is it when you you just a straw manning people like having all

00:39:41.980 these straw men that you you know set up which is not the case at all as to what people actually

00:39:48.940 believe you know that people are trying very hard to try to understand one another do debate clubs

00:39:55.100 still exist in universities i have no idea um you know i've tried to do like i debates are a little

00:40:02.440 bit odd in that often you have people arguing for positions that they don't believe in themselves

00:40:08.880 and i don't really think that's a very good idea you know if you if you have to do it you have to

00:40:15.560 do it. But what this is, is actually getting people to state what they believe is true. And

00:40:21.520 you can't do that on university campuses anymore. Everyone is so afraid to put forward their actual

00:40:29.240 view that no one really has a good grasp of what the actual arguments are anymore. It's quite

00:40:37.480 shocking. And these students of the University of Regina, and that was the other thing, is the

00:40:42.900 professor there's a professor there who wouldn't identify himself who was brought his class to

00:40:48.460 basically castigate me and uh you know that's not a good way to approach these discussions and and

00:40:56.760 he should be ashamed of himself uh what he was doing there using his students as weapons against

00:41:03.920 another professor uh which unfortunately is very isn't that all that uncommon these days

00:41:11.040 this is what you're referring to right the University of Regina earlier this

00:41:14.460 week so I think I have the clip here where this this student in the gray

00:41:19.320 shirt kind of well let's see what happens here

00:41:26.920 this is on campus University Regina University Regina and they're they're

00:41:34.340 trying to explain the street epistemology

00:41:41.040 This whole social demonstration?

00:41:43.040 I don't think it's true with anyone else.

00:41:45.040 I think it's just creating more division between us.

00:41:48.040 I think it's just a way for me to stand somewhere, you to explain my point to the camera, 1.00

00:41:53.040 and then for you to get to spout off your bullshit. 1.00

00:41:57.040 So, that would raise the question, why do you think it's bullshit? 1.00

00:42:05.040 Because it's not. 0.97

00:42:07.040 you were standing here talking about academic freedom, about freedom of speech. Freedom of

00:42:14.420 speech is not freedom of prosecution. You were allowed to stand here and say these things and

00:42:17.680 you are not being prosecuted by the government. Freedom of speech includes your university saying

00:42:23.720 no you're kind of dumb and fired. Well is that what you think happened? Yeah. That my university 0.99

00:42:32.080 said you're kind of dumb and fired? I think they had to use a lot more flowery language because they 1.00

00:42:36.720 wouldn't get away with that but i think i can stand right here and say you're dumb for saying 0.99

00:42:40.600 that you know that the arbitrator said that i was wrongly terminated that sucks 0.99

00:42:45.020 what do you they she said do you know that the arbitrator said that i was wrongly terminated 0.95

00:42:52.860 and she's just like that sucks um you know kids think this stuff is like funny right like they

00:42:59.920 think it's funny like haha like i don't care about the rules and it really it really is a mob 0.88

00:43:04.480 mentality uh what's it like kind of being confronting that mob and kind of seeing

00:43:09.520 these young animated people young the young bright minds of today basically being like

00:43:16.820 haha like you lost uh i don't care like your your view isn't popular you lose um what's it like to

00:43:24.460 see this happening at a university of all places yeah well there's not a very high level of

00:43:30.960 intellectual content that's going on. But this method that I'm, Peter Boghossian is the person

00:43:38.720 who has perfected this, and I've been watching a lot of his material. It's fantastic because it

00:43:46.560 does get people to articulate their positions. And often what you find is they don't really have

00:43:53.900 a well substantiated argument for what they believe and one hopes that they'll go away from that

00:44:02.420 and sort of think a little bit about that like that's the hope i had a long conversation with

00:44:09.340 another woman who was very nice but but she just uh thought that i was not you know being nice

00:44:16.260 enough and that sort of thing that was basically her argument but she wanted survivors to be

00:44:21.280 believed. That was what she was saying. That was important. And so I brought up the example of

00:44:26.480 Billy Coombs, who was one of the main figures in the Kamloops case about the remains, the claim

00:44:34.500 that the remains of 215 children had been found when it turned out that it was just anomalies on

00:44:39.860 the GPR and it's likely septic tiles that were laid on the site in the 1920s. That's likely because

00:44:48.340 not one parent has said that their child went missing from the residential school. So who would

00:44:53.080 the 215 children who are buried there be? Anyway, I mentioned Billy Coombs had said

00:44:59.940 that Queen Elizabeth II had abducted 10 children from the Kamloops Indian Residential School in

00:45:07.700 1964. And I said that it was shown through fact-checking that Queen Elizabeth wasn't

00:45:14.940 even in Kamloops that year she was in eastern Canada and this woman was saying well the queen

00:45:22.340 can sort of do anything and she can control the newspapers and she can and I'm going you think

00:45:27.940 that's a plausible like the queen if people watch what happens on royal visits the queen doesn't 1.00

00:45:34.660 have a lot of time to go kidnap kids she's she's doing ceremonies of bashing bottles against ships 1.00

00:45:43.680 and all you know she's doing that she's not abducting children and you know that that 1.00

00:45:48.880 doesn't make any sense but this woman could not she she couldn't I couldn't communicate with her

00:45:55.700 about that and and I'm hoping she's going to go away and it once it settles a little bit and she's

00:46:01.300 not faced with this obvious contradiction that she's dealing with that she's going to start to

00:46:07.440 it'll have a bit of have an impression upon her but you have to be patient you have to be very

00:46:12.360 patient and people are not patient. And that's what I'm learning is that, you know, I'm not

00:46:17.420 trying to change anyone's mind. I'm trying to get them to understand the reasons for why they

00:46:25.120 believe what they believe more. And that should be able to help them to think critically, think

00:46:32.060 a little bit more critically. So that's kind of the task now. And it's got a great thing because

00:46:37.600 what happens in universities now, and this has happened time and time again, is because they

00:46:42.220 rent you space they just decide to withdraw that and it's it's not clear whether they are can be

00:46:51.180 forced to rent you space so now you don't need space just go in with your portable sound system

00:46:57.060 and your mats you're agree and you're strongly agree and you're neutral and and just lay them

00:47:03.160 out on the ground and have your sound system and go around and ask people why they're standing on

00:47:08.260 strongly agree, Matt, when the claim is the remains of 215 children were found at the Kamloops

00:47:16.080 Indian Residential School. That's the claim. And if they strongly agree with that, then what are

00:47:21.820 their reasons for that? So this is a very, very good way to get into the university system and to

00:47:28.320 get everyone discussing things and not just yelling at one another and telling them that

00:47:33.680 they're a racist and a transphobe and whatever other these accusations that are being thrown

00:47:39.380 around yeah i mean it's it's well intended i i hope that you have some success with it but i don't

00:47:46.200 like francis i'm already having success you are we had great we did great things at the

00:47:51.380 university of vagina people should watch that that uh specter street epistemology i did one

00:47:56.900 with kathy drake a very courageous student at mount royal he did uh you know you must have truth 0.95

00:48:04.180 before you can have reconciliation that was the claim and then we got into all sorts of other

00:48:08.780 claims and then on friday at university of calgary we are going to discuss the claim

00:48:14.920 israel has the right to defend itself that's the claim okay that sounds exciting about that

00:48:23.100 yeah i mean that that's definitely a spicy topic i uh i made a video about it recently and i feel

00:48:30.240 like there's a lot of canadians who are just afraid to even have an opinion like if they have

00:48:34.680 an opinion it's either going to be all the way to the all the way to one side of i support

00:48:39.240 palestine or all the way to the other side of i support israel and it's almost like the most

00:48:44.440 dangerous position is to have a nuanced one yeah well neutral so that's the thing when you start

00:48:49.760 with a claim in Spectrum Street Epistemology, you get everyone to go to the neutral position.

00:48:56.520 And, you know, sometimes you're going to take the neutral position just because, like that claim,

00:48:59.820 Israel has the right to defend itself. I find that a very confusing kind of claim,

00:49:05.560 because there's so many facets to it that I'm not exactly sure where I would stand on that.

00:49:11.820 And I might, if I was very confused, I might just go to neutral and say, I'm in neutral,

00:49:17.240 because i don't really understand the claim very well and i need to have it kind of more specific

00:49:23.440 yeah i need it more specific what does that mean and and what is what does the right mean or what

00:49:29.280 do we mean by defend yourself you know just defend yourself mean that you go and carpet bomb a whole

00:49:35.420 entire population including their hospitals and their schools and everything like that is that

00:49:40.480 defending yourself i don't i don't know like these kinds of things so but but that's what we're trying

00:49:45.860 to do is to get like to tease out the reasoning that people have rather than just having this 0.53

00:49:52.240 i'm right you're wrong shut up you're not allowed to say this i mean it's it is great because it's

00:50:00.320 it's taking uh it's almost like you know taking someone by the hand and going step by step of

00:50:04.880 like okay how do we how do we construct you know statements about how we believe the world is or

00:50:11.940 um but uh do you have a sort of uh remedy for what i'm sure has happened over and over again

00:50:19.080 with every so many interactions we saw it on a clip earlier where they say well well well like

00:50:25.020 when you kind of start to ask the questions well are you a nazi you're just a racist uh how do you

00:50:31.200 how do you deal with that situation how do you sort of answer with the question so what why is

00:50:36.980 that why do you think that that makes me a nazi what what do you first of all what do you mean

00:50:40.680 by nazi so that person probably wouldn't even be able to articulate what they mean by nazi right

00:50:47.460 so and the other thing about spectrum street epistemology you spend a lot of time

00:50:51.400 repeating what the person has said to make sure you understand what they're talking about right

00:50:58.320 so if i had been able to have a conversation with that guy that thug i don't know what he would have

00:51:04.160 said to the question what do you mean by nazi he would have said something like you know it's

00:51:09.400 someone who thinks it's okay to oppress indigenous people and by long explanation so then i would say

00:51:16.460 let me see if i understand this here you're saying a nazi is a person who does x y and z or something

00:51:24.420 like that and then you would try to think of some parallel type of thing to compare it to and say

00:51:30.640 like would you be a nazi if you did this for example so that's the kind of process i think

00:51:35.740 that has a lot of um traction you can gain a lot of traction because you're not telling someone that

00:51:42.000 they're wrong i'm not telling him no i'm not a nazi right um which would then get like i'm an

00:51:48.660 you're a nazi no i'm not yeah yeah yeah i'm not like that's not helpful at all for this thing

00:51:53.560 it's trying to get them to articulate why they believe the things that they do and so i'm i'm 0.60

00:52:01.020 very uh i find this to be very effective i might have to yeah i might have to try that sometime

00:52:05.960 because uh usually my response is like i don't care where are you located i'm in the toronto

00:52:12.620 area okay well when i come to toronto we can do a spectrum street epistemology when are you coming

00:52:18.140 to toronto uh in the near future awesome awesome october 30th i'll be in toronto perfect perfect

00:52:26.140 that's good um so you might want to interview apps you go to uh i don't know like it can be

00:52:31.900 anywhere university of toronto or sure uh new york university or whatever and then you start

00:52:36.940 like you have claims like you've probably got all sorts of contentious topics that right you know

00:52:42.860 people are not able to articulate very well uh we might want to interview you for our upcoming

00:52:47.640 documentary for safe free speech.ca if you guys want to help stop uh you know stop bill c63 and

00:52:53.820 expose the far you typically far left antifa journalists you can go to give saying go.com

00:53:00.480 slash save free speech um please donate to our upcoming documentary if you like my work

00:53:06.460 donate and the other thing you could do actually a spectrum street epistemology on

00:53:11.580 bill c63 that'd be great is that a way to stop harm like is is stopping people from speaking

00:53:18.840 on the internet stopping people from speaking on the internet is a way to reduce harm for children

00:53:26.360 or something like that or like whatever it may be this list of claims that you you agree to you get

00:53:31.900 your audience to um select and then you go about you know sort of getting people on the mats and

00:53:39.520 then asking them why they're standing on the strongly agree mat and then you can we should

00:53:43.960 we should coordinate for this because i i have a good setup to do like a live stream that's with

00:53:49.240 a good microphone so i could document whatever you're doing maybe we could do something at the

00:53:53.100 same time and yeah maybe we'll get beat up and mobbed by like this together yeah well brock

00:53:58.320 university on so wilfrid laurier on uh october 28th okay brock university on october 29th and

00:54:08.320 toronto october 30th and expect like i'm doing talks uh the talks that i was shut down at the

00:54:16.300 university of regina we're gonna do that at brock so this is gonna be another test for the

00:54:22.420 universities okay so we're gonna talk all about bill c63 in just a minute and free speech and

00:54:30.160 kind of kind of start to wrap stuff up but i do want to get i do want to react to this clip though

00:54:34.480 of uh at 34 minutes and 40 seconds a thug tells an 86 year old man to shut the fuck up and then

00:54:43.280 proceeds to threaten him physically the event eventually was shut down okay so let's this is 0.86

00:54:48.300 this is 40 seconds before that i kind of want to see the build up to it here we go yeah and you

00:54:52.760 know unjustly dismissed but uh let me talk a little bit about it excuse me let me talk a bit

00:55:01.700 about my background. Please, and then you can ask me questions, too, if you like.

00:55:05.880 I'm looking at individualization as a prescribed doctrine.

00:55:08.940 Here's the point. I just want to make one point, and I'm going to turn it back over here.

00:55:13.060 Excuse me. If you don't stop talking, I am going to get security and get you out of here.

00:55:19.160 I don't get the security here. What the hell you're saying? Shut up and stop. 0.99

00:55:23.060 Yeah, get the security. Why would I want to hear this nonsense? 1.00

00:55:27.780 Well, then go. Why would I have to leave a public library?

00:55:31.320 You shut the fuck up. Hold on. You shut the fuck up. I'm up. 1.00

00:55:36.320 No. I'm walking around. Whoa. Yeah. You want some? Whoa. You're threatening an 86 year old man. Of course. That's the kind of person he is. Yeah. You, sir, and your white settler colonialist. Fuck off. Let me. Okay, that was so funny. You and your white settler colonialist. Fuck off. That is so funny.

00:56:01.220 let's hear that again i doubt it you're threatening an 86 year old man of course

00:56:08.820 that's kind of personal you sir and your white settler columnist let let me please

00:56:20.020 love it love it aside from the politics this is just good content this is good stuff

00:56:25.300 that was just that that was the classic i've never seen anything like that i just

00:56:31.460 i was just sitting there going i cannot believe this is happening um but there were we're here

00:56:36.900 that's where we are you know that's the kind of thing is the the kind of intimidation and you

00:56:42.900 know this you know this is not about compassion this is about we're telling you the way things

00:56:48.900 are and you're gonna bend down and take it otherwise we're gonna you know assault you

00:56:54.500 like that is basically it and so that was just complete revel you know that was revealed

00:57:00.500 everything that's going on in a very short space of time but you know this this man i you know i 0.85

00:57:05.940 just gotta love him you know he's he's he's up for it yeah he's not gonna take any of this crap

00:57:13.140 and uh you know that's kind of you know you know fortunately nothing happened but it was still it 0.97

00:57:18.340 was a bit everyone was completely and then the the worst thing about it is that that thug was

00:57:24.820 threatening people he was pretending that he was the victim and that he was and it's like how could

00:57:33.700 you even think that you are completely impossible you won't have any discussions you're calling

00:57:39.940 people all these these serious defamatory to call someone a nazi you know this is a serious

00:57:47.460 accusation and then for him to just you know be just doing this you know all over the place was

00:57:53.980 was was really quite shocking yeah i mean it's people don't people don't think about that think

00:58:00.500 about it that way enough in terms of like racist nazi like these are slurs these are really much

00:58:05.720 slurs that you know the average person if they think you are one of these things then they think

00:58:11.080 you are a bad person you think that they're you're this evil vile uh person so it's like it's really

00:58:16.800 not uh to be taken lightly when someone does that that being said unfortunately people well

00:58:22.520 for i guess it's fortunate uh that people like this have kind of watered down these words so

00:58:27.880 much that i think it's kind of becoming sort of passe or sort of it's kind of becoming a joke to

00:58:34.100 a lot of people which is which is i think is a good thing because i don't know what's going to

00:58:38.720 happen next well it's unfortunate because the word actually kind of used to mean something but now

00:58:42.680 it's just sort of uh no and you should be able you know there are nazis in the world and it's

00:58:48.900 not good to be it's terrible to be a nazi and if we don't know nothing to call people who are

00:58:55.300 actually nazis nazis then we're not going to be able to make any distinctions about anything

00:59:01.780 anymore so it's it's got serious consequences george orwell is the best uh author on this

00:59:08.100 topic and he you know he used to talk a lot about language the politics of the english language

00:59:13.460 and how people not being clear is a real problem for trying to figure things out and i think that's

00:59:20.260 it's it's just as true if not more true today than it was in you know 1945 it's just unbelievable

00:59:28.580 let's talk about bill c63 i want to i want to freak you out and spook you with some of the stuff

00:59:33.780 that some of this legislation that's being presented in this country a lot of people say

00:59:37.780 hey it's not going to pass i think it could easily pass with what we've seen with this government and

00:59:42.020 more importantly the fact that this stuff is even being presented by our government is outrageous

00:59:47.140 and i think is enough on its own that's the worst part of it yeah is that people are actually not

00:59:52.580 saying hey this is absolutely terrible we are heading down you know a road like you know nazi

00:59:59.380 germany that was you know but the nazi germany was not always nazi germany it was uh you know

01:00:04.660 know it was a nascent democracy and that's the first thing that went was freedom of speech

01:00:11.300 that's what they took out right and so that's what they're doing now and if we don't push back

01:00:16.980 against it we're gonna have serious problems yeah so uh first and foremost detestation

01:00:26.080 and vilification uh do you do you think it's uh if there's anything that we've talked about or any

01:00:33.740 behavior that you've seen in canada would you classify that as detest detestable or villainous

01:00:39.500 uh well there you see that you know it's a it's it's uh in in the court decisions

01:00:48.020 which i've read it means uh it's supposed to be a very high bar um which is that you say that

01:00:56.360 someone is outside of the boundaries of protection by the law like it's it's like when you start

01:01:03.320 calling people cockroaches and vermin and things like that that that's what it's supposed to be

01:01:08.040 about well that was the initial intent now still it's obviously going to be abused uh this this

01:01:15.480 kind of way of looking at it so it's not going to work really it's the united states that has it

01:01:21.320 right on this and i was just uh one of my colleagues trevor tomash was was was discussing

01:01:27.560 this with me which i was aware of before i just hadn't kind of congealed it in my mind i believe

01:01:34.040 it's called the brandenberg decision where um you uh it's incitement that's the that's the that's

01:01:42.520 the that's the line so if you are inciting someone to uh uh or if you're inciting it has the potential

01:01:51.880 to incite that's what that's where the line is and that's where the line should be not musing

01:02:00.040 with your friends which has no consequence whatsoever about you know whatever might be the

01:02:06.920 horrible idea that's going through your head like you're not trying to say hey let's go out and kill

01:02:11.720 a bunch of people or do anything you're just wondering about some particular horrible thing

01:02:18.760 like like that's not at the level that we should be prosecuting people for it's got to be a kind

01:02:25.240 of an imminent threat that is there yeah yeah and this is this is the thing i brought up earlier

01:02:32.780 like the the muddying of the waters that's happening uh you know there's there's so many

01:02:37.640 issues with bill c63 but first and foremost like the initial version of this bill a couple years

01:02:43.060 ago was bill c36 and it was talking all about hate propaganda and stopping hate crimes and all

01:02:48.500 this stuff and that and that rose a lot of red flags of like hey this is probably going to take

01:02:52.980 away some fruit of the speech so they went back to the drawing board and they came back with bill c63

01:02:57.580 it's all about protecting kids online but then when you look into it it's all the same stuff

01:03:03.380 about stopping hate speeches in there and one of the most disturbing things they have

01:03:07.940 well there's a lot of disturbing things but when it comes to the definition of hatred they want to

01:03:12.860 redefine hatred in the criminal code to mean detestation or vilification and they try to give

01:03:21.480 them like so many times throughout the bill they're like you know this doesn't include humiliating you

01:03:25.140 can still disdain somebody you can still do this but it's just when you detest or vilify them

01:03:28.960 and it's like well if you look up the definition of detestation it's intense dislike yeah so you

01:03:38.300 know it's like to use a crude example it's like i think pedophiles are detestable monsters villains

01:03:45.280 that you know fill in the blank i don't think they should yeah technically technically that

01:03:52.220 would be criminal hate speech uh under bill c63 yeah usually it's a protected ground well this

01:03:58.340 is human rights so see this is what's happened is i believe that's part of human rights kind of

01:04:05.440 codes and and and in human rights codes is you can it's fine to detest and vilify some people

01:04:11.440 i'm detested and vilified all the time but because i'm detested and vilified for my ideas and not

01:04:18.720 because of a protected ground that's okay so if they were detesting detesting and vilifying me

01:04:25.920 because i was a woman that would be a problem exactly but if they ask to vilify me because

01:04:31.360 i'm a so-called residential school denier that's fine that's fine that's right or the recent

01:04:38.680 example is uh you know if you chose not to get the uh the covet vaccine uh you know you can be

01:04:46.140 you can hate that group we were very much uh dehumanized and dismissed by the prime minister

01:04:51.340 of the country actually what do we what do we uh do we tolerate these people was actually the quote

01:04:55.660 that uh justin trudeau said and there was a lot of very disturbing um messaging and political

01:05:03.560 cartoons right before the convoy where just this idea of even tolerating unvaccinated people was

01:05:10.700 like this this awful detestable thing but um yeah so that's the one to test detestation and

01:05:16.940 vilification being uh included into into the definition of hate speech um another one is

01:05:24.580 being able to tack on a hate crime charge to any other charge so you could say let's say i'm trying

01:05:32.820 to think of maybe maybe maybe something went haywire at that event and you assaulted somebody

01:05:38.960 or someone assaulted you yeah uh then the prosecutor can say well actually uh francis 0.91

01:05:46.120 actually did it because uh she hates black people so and that additional charge can go up to you 0.54

01:05:52.680 know life imprisonment yeah it's crazy yeah no and it's like equality and the law is is all being 0.95

01:05:58.460 corroded because of this certain victims um have more you know sympathy than others which should

01:06:05.900 not be part of our legal system you know if you if you kill someone you're killing them you know

01:06:12.880 and if you do it because you hate them that should be a like a more of a you know punishment

01:06:19.220 punishment there's all sorts of problems with this and and really we shouldn't have my own view is

01:06:24.660 that the whole idea of hate speech should never have gotten into the law anyway like like we have

01:06:30.420 already protections for what we should protect which is you know threats uttering threats things

01:06:37.440 right like and that's what the united states has so we should you know the united states you know

01:06:42.180 they do some things right and they've done that's what they've done right and if we go down this

01:06:46.280 path, you know, it's already on seriously shaky ground and it's going to be used as a weapon

01:06:54.480 against people. It's obvious for, for, for ideas that are disliked and, and for trying to hold

01:07:01.040 people accountable for various things. That's the other problem. You know, it's going to,

01:07:05.400 it's going to be, it's not going to be workable in any kind of objective sense.

01:07:11.040 Yeah. Yeah. And there already are some, uh, some laws on the books, which are sort of,

01:07:15.640 um you know the lowest possible threshold this is the criminal code the lowest possible

01:07:21.080 threshold is right here willful promotion of hatred everyone this is already on the law books

01:07:26.480 by communicating statements other than in private conversation willfully promotes hatred against any

01:07:31.300 identifiable group yeah um this already seems like it could be used like quite you know yeah

01:07:41.200 liberally if they wanted to yeah like it's all um often it has a kind of subjective a very

01:07:47.280 subjective character as well it depends upon how people who are listening to it are going to react

01:07:54.480 um the other the really disturbing one and i don't this is probably not in the criminal code

01:08:00.160 area but it was definitely the human rights uh type of legislation which is another it's civil

01:08:07.360 civil uh hate speech and that was bill watcott the case of bill watcott who was saying you know

01:08:14.000 terrible things about homosexual people that was his uh thing but he wasn't he had no power over 0.81

01:08:18.960 anyone and you know who cares like you know let asses pray kind of thing he had he had no he had 0.97

01:08:25.360 no way of controlling anything in society but one of the things that came out is that truth

01:08:31.280 this is civil in civil law truth is not a defense truth is not a defense no not in the civil uh case

01:08:43.120 how can truth not be a defense i don't know because um if you're making fun you're doing

01:08:49.040 something to someone on the who has on the space of this protected ground like if you and this is

01:08:54.800 not a the same thing but just example if you make fun of someone who's fat which is not a nice thing

01:09:00.560 to do um it doesn't matter whether they're fat or not like like the fact that they're fat doesn't

01:09:07.280 doesn't doesn't do anything to the fact that you're being but your honor they're 300 pounds

01:09:12.960 they're morbidly obese so my client was kind of accurate when they said yes you know this is kind

01:09:19.520 of the with human rights is sort of about whether you're respecting the dignity of someone and so on

01:09:26.560 and you know ridiculing someone because of something which happens to be true is still

01:09:32.020 you're ridiculing that person that doesn't take but i was very disturbed about that

01:09:36.560 side of things because i that's how i've always kind of seen things that if you

01:09:41.040 if you're saying something that's true it should be protected if it's true

01:09:44.740 because saying things that are true helps us to understand reality more and and and to not

01:09:54.100 protect people for doing that is a is a very you know it's a very dangerous thing i think so that's

01:09:59.680 another kind of problematic thing that that's probably the civil area not the criminal because

01:10:04.600 in the criminal area it's always been truth is a defense so uh when it comes to bill c63 another

01:10:13.460 thing have you heard of uh section 13 of the human rights code by chance uh yes i have but i can't

01:10:21.100 i'm just trying to recall what it is it's okay it got repealed uh by the harper government but it

01:10:26.800 was a section of the human rights code which was essentially abused when it was in effect it was

01:10:31.620 abused by this man named richard warman over and over again and it was used to say like okay these

01:10:37.500 people uh were committing hate speech against me against me and uh i i need to be i need to get

01:10:44.600 paid for that because i've been hurt by what they said to me yeah um and yeah this would um

01:10:52.600 this would come back uh under bill c63 as it is and the most disturbing part is um yeah

01:11:00.600 not only could people anonymously report you uh for committing hate crimes or hate speech

01:11:08.100 for what you said on the internet or to them but uh they they would be financially incentivized to

01:11:13.860 do so if things went well at the at the human rights court so uh you know that presentation

01:11:19.620 you had the other day could be a big payday to some of those people who might have gotten offended

01:11:23.380 i know i know uh that saying that book title oh that is hate speech and that is all these things

01:11:29.560 right and yeah that's that's another aspect which i'd forgotten about with these bill c63 is this

01:11:35.480 you know people getting uh they're they're able to get money from their complaints

01:11:41.880 anonymous there should never be anonymous complaints this is this is terrible because

01:11:47.320 that just means that no one's accountable for what they're doing like it just turns everyone

01:11:53.400 neighbor against neighbor these kinds of terrible you know weaponizing of these uh types of these

01:12:02.240 types of uh human rights commissions which have not been good at all uh on speech issues like

01:12:10.580 they're the opposite of free speech these human rights commissions yeah do you do you see any

01:12:17.640 major forces like like fighting against this trend in general do you see this trend getting worse

01:12:22.960 because as we we've we've talked about academia you talked about in the government this sort of

01:12:27.940 trend of like fifes of like feelings sort of becoming these these very real things that can

01:12:34.100 be weaponized to oppress people or silence people it doesn't really seem to be going away if anything

01:12:39.180 think it seems to be getting worse it's getting worse um do you see any anything that's inspiring

01:12:44.720 that is that that is pushing uh against this i think politically you know they're the city

01:12:52.260 councils is the place i've seen the most hope in powell river for example i've been involved with

01:12:59.160 the citizens of powell river that are pushing back against the totalitarian takeover of their

01:13:05.660 council which is insisting that they change their name from pal river to some indigenous name that

01:13:13.460 no one wants it to happen and even though there's it's obvious that the town doesn't want the name

01:13:19.600 to be changed this woke city council is going ahead trying to push it through anyway and they

01:13:25.020 are fighting back they're fighting back big time so i think the local councils are one area where

01:13:31.660 there's some hope because that's where local democracy still does exist and there's protections

01:13:39.120 of local democracy but they're trying to crack down on the ability of people to speak

01:13:45.540 at these local councils and so that's another kind of huge battleground that's going out

01:13:52.040 so I think that's uh I think that's that's one of the most promising areas I've seen

01:13:57.680 The universities are very difficult, but I think the Spectrum Street epistemology is a way to go in the university. So I'm really quite enthused about this possibility. So those are a couple of examples that you need to organize.

01:14:12.240 the law doesn't work very well in trying to fight these battles unfortunately because it's often

01:14:19.100 stacked against um people who are in the less powerful position and you spend you have to spend

01:14:26.340 all this money on lawyers and then it gets into these procedural kinds of arguments and not

01:14:31.700 it disavoids the main issues that need to be discussed and let's talk about some of the

01:14:37.620 really absurd stuff to uh residential school denialism and of course there's already a

01:14:44.300 precedent set in our law uh with holocaust denialism yeah um you know i i try to simplify

01:14:51.340 it as this of these laws are so absurd it's like canadians are perpetually being tested

01:14:57.480 on a specific uh historical event um so even if you're even if you're just some i don't know

01:15:04.460 adult who's working at a bank and then you you accidentally say the wrong stat or fact

01:15:10.440 about a historical event then you're a criminal yeah it shouldn't exist you know this history is 0.54

01:15:18.780 always up for discussion and you know you know i think the holocaust is a pretty you know it's it's

01:15:25.200 not really a disputable facts but although you you know there's arguments about numbers of people

01:15:33.240 and these sorts of things but if someone is wrong about a historical detail why should that be

01:15:41.400 criminalized that makes no sense like what you want to do is you want to correct erroneous views

01:15:50.360 and and it just gives um you know oxygen to various you know people thinking that there's

01:15:57.400 something to hide because why would you need to make it illegal if it's just a matter that should

01:16:03.320 be discussed and errors should be corrected so you know i think that you know having holocaust denial

01:16:09.480 illegal is a ridiculous thing anyway even though you know i don't think there's really a a debate

01:16:16.680 about whether the holocaust happened or anything but you do have people like norman finkelstein who

01:16:21.400 was called a Holocaust denier because he was just arguing that the Holocaust was being used as a

01:16:28.960 weapon against the Palestinians. That was the kind of arguments that he was made, and he was

01:16:34.500 accused by Alan Dershowitz of being a Holocaust denier. So that's just an example of the

01:16:40.440 weaponization of that again. But then we have the residential school denialism, which is just,

01:16:46.680 you're questioning all the misinformation which is being put forward by the aboriginal industry.

01:16:51.400 So people claiming that there's 215 remains of children in Kamloops, that there's no evidence for that. And if I question that, now I'm a residential school denialist? Is that what's being argued? I find it just, well, it's when you deny that they're genocide, the residential schools, that's really what they mean.

01:17:11.640 And the most well-known historian on the residential schools is J.R. Miller, who's written numerous books. He argues that they are not genocidal. So it's even in terms of the weight of scholarly opinion, I don't even see how that can be argued in that context.

01:17:34.120 So that's a very mysterious. It's just about power. It's about asserting power. That's all that it is. And, you know, that's got to be, you know, but we made the mistake of making Holocaust denial illegal. So, you know, I can see why we're going down this path, because we made the initial mistake. So we should correct that mistake and not have that, take that out of there. Stop criminalizing different opinions about history.

01:18:02.420 that's crazy this is matters yeah you know yeah um i i when i was at the society for academic

01:18:10.900 freedom and scholarship uh annual meeting in in may there's this huge debate about whether the

01:18:18.260 plays of shakespeare were written by this guy called shakespeare you know are we going to

01:18:24.800 criminalize that disputation about that historical fact?

01:18:30.200 Because some people who study Shakespeare and are really wedded to the idea

01:18:34.580 that it was this guy from Stratford-on-Avon who wrote the plays.

01:18:38.660 Like there's another example.

01:18:40.260 Why are people so upset about that?

01:18:42.760 I don't understand.

01:18:43.980 It doesn't matter except for the purposes of historical accuracy.

01:18:50.220 Yeah.

01:18:51.060 I mean, I think if you get details of history wrong,

01:18:53.720 there should be consequences if you are taking a history test because that's the whole point but

01:19:01.320 aside from that no um yeah and i i want to you know you were bringing up this early we were

01:19:08.840 talking about the indigenous history and and residential school denialism um real quick

01:19:14.680 what is the indigenous industry uh it is a group of lawyers and consultants who work for aboriginal

01:19:22.360 organizations who manufacture grievances so to divert money from indigenous communities

01:19:32.920 and they essentially have corrupted the leadership the indigenous leadership so they

01:19:39.080 yeah they get money to participate in all these uh processes that go on and the land claims are

01:19:46.040 the best example but the whole residential school file i believe it's i don't know how many built

01:19:51.240 You know, hundreds of millions of dollars went to lawyers about that.

01:19:54.680 Every single dispute that you see, you have a whole large body of lawyers and consultants who are all making large salaries at the expense of the Indigenous population.

01:20:08.340 And they actually, what they do is they maintain indigenous people in this isolated and dependent state because that's what makes people think that there needs to be more resources devoted to the aboriginal problem. 0.85

01:20:25.180 So, you know, these are just ongoing disputes that are manufactured by the aboriginal industry.

01:20:31.180 yeah uh maybe let's touch on that briefly because we didn't it isn't a fascinating topic and it

01:20:36.540 sounds like you might know a bit about it which is when i ran as a ppc candidate we actually had

01:20:41.040 a specific policy on the indian act which makes it so some indigenous communities don't even have

01:20:47.360 the right to private property yeah and a lot of canadians don't know about this archaic piece of

01:20:53.180 legislation do you have any thoughts on the indian act and if we were to actually care about solving

01:20:59.460 this problem briefly like what would that look like yeah well and this is where i differ from

01:21:04.920 many of my colleagues i really don't think the indian act is a very important part of the puzzle

01:21:11.260 like it does have an impact on the more um uh viable communities but in these the worst situations

01:21:19.620 for the indigenous population are those communities that are in the north and in isolated areas and

01:21:27.980 having private property in those areas isn't going to matter at all because no one wants to

01:21:34.040 buy anything that's there. They're just basically warehousing centers for, you know, people who

01:21:41.140 can't leave those areas and desperately need help, assistance of various kinds to deal with

01:21:48.140 the serious dysfunction that exists in those populations. So the Indian Act will, you know,

01:21:54.540 getting rid of it well i think it's a bad piece of legislation anyway because it's a segregationist

01:22:02.160 piece of legislation but in terms of an economic development vehicle getting rid of it it's not

01:22:08.680 going to assist the most marginalized members of the indigenous population okay um so i was

01:22:18.060 watching your presentation earlier and you're talking about academic freedom and academic

01:22:22.560 freedom is very well defined you know the professor has the right to question things and

01:22:26.920 challenge things and purport their their beliefs or ideas uh and you know there's this thing called

01:22:32.260 freedom of speech yeah in in the charter of rights and freedoms and it's it's well defined

01:22:37.500 um despite having these principles that make up a free democratic society it seems like they

01:22:45.500 constantly keep getting violated or dismissed or pushed aside like they don't even mean anything

01:22:50.880 at all yeah uh why do you think that is uh nascent fascism you know we are yes so it's it's coming

01:23:03.340 right people got to wake up here um so freedom of the freedom of speech and these freedoms are

01:23:08.780 the the first things that are freedom of speech especially is knocked out because that uh you

01:23:15.380 know sort of deprives people of having their you know a fundamental mechanism they have to

01:23:22.320 search for the truth and to hold their leaders accountable and once that gets knocked out

01:23:30.360 that's when you're going to see the naked agenda of what's coming down the pipe and that's not far

01:23:37.600 off. So, you know, I'm amazed that the opposition to Bill C-63 is not much stronger than it is.

01:23:48.360 And, you know, people have just been, again, misled by these arguments about being a nice

01:23:55.940 person, being compassionate, helping people, these sorts of things. And that's not what it's about.

01:24:01.660 and people need to understand that it is about asserting power and that is going to help

01:24:08.920 whoever's in power to consolidate their power and you know make them basically impervious to

01:24:16.200 being held to account and that's what we're going to be looking at in the future and it doesn't

01:24:20.940 really matter what political party that you're you're going to have in there they're going to

01:24:25.320 just use their their position to consolidate power yeah i um you mentioned that you were socialist

01:24:34.340 earlier and i've always kind of been like a more traditional liberal since i've seen the kind of

01:24:41.260 like more or yeah traditional liberal libertarian i've kind of been pushed further to the right

01:24:47.060 just because i see how aggressive like the wokeism is yeah um but especially on this like

01:24:53.420 israel palestine issue for example it's like sometimes i feel like i have more in common with

01:24:57.660 with the leftists uh in in terms of what's going on here but i but i guess are do you do you lean

01:25:03.520 further left or right and how do you think there's solutions to try and bridge a gap uh between these

01:25:10.400 two polar opposites uh yeah yeah so uh the big thing to understand is that wokeism is not left

01:25:19.360 Wokeism is actually reactionary.

01:25:22.500 And the person that I really respect the most in terms of a thinker is George Orwell.

01:25:27.740 And George Orwell is a socialist because he saw that there were serious problems for the working class in the capitalist system.

01:25:37.140 And he was trying to deal with those problems.

01:25:41.160 But George Orwell, at the same time, was someone who really was concerned about freedom,

01:25:47.120 the freedoms that people had and saw that there was a very disturbing tendency in socialist

01:25:52.800 movements for this kind of totalitarian takeover. And he saw that in the Soviet Union was the,

01:26:00.560 you know, when you look at his books, 1984 and Animal Farm, they were talking about the,

01:26:06.200 you know, the use of socialism to consolidate power. So I think with left wing is about the

01:26:13.360 working class and is about the ability of people who produce everything of value in society to be

01:26:20.860 able to have the resources that they they need to thrive and often what you see in capitalism is is

01:26:27.360 that that's not possible but that doesn't mean that you should be manipulated into giving up

01:26:34.780 fundamental rights and freedoms such as equality under the law and and freedom of speech you know

01:26:44.140 that that's kind of when that's wokeism is pretending to be on the left so that it can kind

01:26:50.660 of manipulate people and and i think that's a real serious problem now with the analysis

01:26:56.600 of wokeism is not understanding the the kind of totalitarian reactionary character of what's being

01:27:04.320 argued like when you think about something we haven't talked about this issue trans activism

01:27:09.920 and all this like what has that got to do with anything about people being able to thrive in a 0.99

01:27:16.240 society that that is just totally it's just a terrible terrible um type of movement which is

01:27:23.760 vicious and you know basically has complete ill intent towards anyone who wants to raise very

01:27:31.680 very legitimate concerns about what's happening to children in this country and and yet it's seen as

01:27:38.800 a quote-unquote left-wing uh kind of movement like this is just nothing it's got nothing to

01:27:45.360 do with it at all it is just a you know it's luxury beliefs of a what appears to be a mentally

01:27:52.240 disturbed uh group of people uh so you know which we can have sympathy for the terrible circumstances

01:28:00.080 that people have but that doesn't mean that we should be allowing you know all sorts of things

01:28:05.180 to be happening to children which they are going to have terrible lifelong consequences if we don't

01:28:13.120 you know right the ship and have the medical perfection profession acting responsibly with

01:28:18.860 respect to this and i think the trans issue is really is the one of the major underpinnings of 0.99

01:28:26.780 post-modernism today it is it really represents the epitome of truth is dead yes trans women are

01:28:35.780 women what does that even sex until five minutes ago this was one of the most well-established 0.76

01:28:42.040 facts like we would not exist as a species unless you know like that's what allows us to exist as

01:28:48.960 species and now that can't be that truth cannot be uttered you know that and it's completely

01:28:55.840 subjective but that's why it's post-modern is that there's no basis in reality for this it's just

01:29:02.800 someone's feeling about who they are uh but anyway yeah um i just got one more question then we can

01:29:10.000 then we can get going um we watched a couple clips of you being i know it's getting dark in there

01:29:15.760 but uh it's getting darker and darker and i'm just there we go whoa amazing uh so we were

01:29:26.320 watching a couple you know the clip of you kind of being harassed by these by these students well

01:29:30.800 you know they were harassed they were being very uh dismissive and sort of mean-spirited toward you

01:29:36.880 but i really admire uh your sort of bravery and and like you were just unflinching you were just

01:29:43.200 totally focused on the topic um and you have this this bravery of jumping into the conversation

01:29:49.400 being surrounded by people who disagree with you um where do you get that where does that sort of

01:29:54.780 strength and confidence come from and i also kind of want to ask of how do we get more canadians to

01:30:00.580 be like that yeah well it was it's my husband actually i've got to give him credit albert

01:30:05.940 howard uh so i used to be a little bit you know deferential to authority and i i get worried when

01:30:12.300 You know, people are opposing me. And he really convinced me, if you think you're right, you should fight it out. If it turns out that you're wrong and you've made a mistake, you should say, yes, okay, I was wrong there. But if you think you're right, don't allow people to bully you and stop you from continuing to hold that position.

01:30:33.680 and that's very very important and once I sort of realize that it gives you a lot of confidence

01:30:40.360 because you're saying look I'm doing nothing wrong here I truly believe what I'm doing and it's

01:30:46.840 entirely possible I could be wrong in what I'm arguing but no one yet has given me a convincing

01:30:53.760 argument for why I should change my mind and so people you know just need to develop a little bit

01:30:59.920 of confidence about this. It's not the easiest thing, but I think it's James Lindsay, who you're

01:31:03.900 probably familiar with, who I have a lot of respect for. I disagree with him on a number of

01:31:08.380 things, but he says, courage begets courage, cowardice begets cowardice. And if you think

01:31:15.440 you're right, stand up for it and people will stand behind you. The worst thing you can do

01:31:22.000 is just, you know, do some kind of groveling apology for something that you don't even think

01:31:28.500 that you did wrong because that will not only, you know, it's not going to help you because

01:31:36.520 that's blood in the water for the woke.

01:31:39.500 But the people who would have supported you normally will then just disappear because

01:31:46.560 they'll say you're not someone who's reliable in terms of standing behind principles.

01:31:52.100 So I think once you kind of get that realization, it can really help you a lot that you should

01:31:57.540 fight it out.

01:31:58.500 don't give up never give up fight fight fight and you know if you're wrong everyone makes a mistake

01:32:04.980 there's no there's no harm in admitting that you're wrong but just admit you're wrong when

01:32:09.460 you think you're wrong don't give in when you don't think that you're wrong that's great that's

01:32:14.420 beautiful that's beautiful and and finally you know canadians have this issue with we don't want

01:32:20.340 to ruffle any feathers we don't want to step on any toes the cbc said i need to believe this in

01:32:24.980 in order to be a good canadian today and i don't want to disobey that oh i oh i can't talk about

01:32:29.620 that issue i can't oh i agree with you so many times you've probably seen this too in private

01:32:33.940 oh i agree with you yeah and i can't say anything about it because i'm afraid to say something um

01:32:40.680 where how do we overcome this or first of all do you have any theories on where this came from how

01:32:45.560 do we overcome this and do you think canadians have what it takes to actually fight for their

01:32:49.460 free speech in this country uh there seems to be a particular characteristic of canadians that make

01:32:58.060 them susceptible to this woke mind virus uh but i think uh there's personality types there are

01:33:07.800 certain personality types who just can't do it and you know that is unfortunate but what we need is

01:33:14.420 organization for those people who are leaders you know and people who will stand up that's what

01:33:20.940 we're lacking mostly right now and you know we've just kind of gotten complacent and that's a real

01:33:27.440 problem is that when things are generally working you know to some extent everyone thinks that the

01:33:33.900 system is just going to take care of itself but we have a seriously broken down system now and if we

01:33:39.720 don't use our resources and our organization now to fight back it's all going to be gone and i you

01:33:47.560 know i don't want to live in a world where i'm not able to say what i think is true and you know i i

01:33:55.320 just i'm amazed that people are not you know more up in arms about what's happening totally agree

01:34:03.320 totally agree thanks so much for your time if you want to promote uh one more time like where can

01:34:08.520 people find out about the spectrum street epistemology and the events coming up can they

01:34:13.140 go somewhere online the woke academy www.wokeacademy.info i post a lot of materials on

01:34:21.720 that and also i'm on facebook i have i i tend to put most of my materials on facebook and as well

01:34:28.380 there's an organization called the rational space network that i post a lot of materials on

01:34:35.560 uh facebook and social media uh twitter uh woke academy at woke academy is the twitter account

01:34:44.080 amazing amazing yeah and we should definitely connect because maybe we could do some some

01:34:49.160 events together and i'd definitely love to connect with you in person when you're in ontario

01:34:52.660 yeah uh october uh 28th awesome we will be in touch thanks so much okay pardon great thanks a

01:35:02.540 lot yep thanks so much for your time appreciate it okay bye now good evening see you bye bye

01:35:07.980 there it is there's francis widowson wow that was fun i i love her energy i love her

01:35:22.620 her confidence her uh i don't know is it stubbornness maybe stubbornness isn't a nice

01:35:29.400 word but you know she's very you know she's got that conviction she's got that i'm not i'm not

01:35:33.860 gonna just cave into nonsense i i really care about the truth what's the word i'm looking for

01:35:40.740 here it's not stubbornness it's a sort of conviction it's a sort of uh respect for the truth

01:35:47.700 um she's just a real one she's a real one guys thanks a lot for tuning in appreciate it um

01:35:55.980 yeah i just thought you know on this journey to say free speech she'd be a great person to

01:36:01.060 talk to because she's someone who's uh you know got canceled back in 2021 um and academia is

01:36:09.600 certainly a space where it starts right like the the sort of trying to influence people what they

01:36:17.040 think about how they feel about things how they view things it starts with the schools and uh

01:36:24.060 you know, the sort of her getting fired is an example of censorship, is an example of

01:36:31.380 silencing people with the wrong opinions. She didn't like punch a student, you know, 0.95

01:36:35.920 she's not getting fired because she, you know, spat on somebody or was awfully like an awful, 0.94

01:36:41.820 like did something horrible. It was literally, she said some things. She said some words

01:36:46.300 that conflicted with the prevailing narrative. And then she's still dealing with this years later.

01:36:54.060 it's certainly part of the story part of the equation uh thanks for tuning in frosty b rocks

01:36:59.840 good stream and great grass yeah thank you very much it was actually mr jim mcmurtry i always

01:37:06.600 get his name wrong jim mcmurtry he got me in touch with uh with uh francis there so shout

01:37:14.340 us to jim mcmurtry uh for hooking that up for us and yeah um real before i go save free speech

01:37:22.920 news we're gonna have a newsletter that you can sign up to the mailing list tomorrow we're gonna

01:37:29.240 have that ready to go by tomorrow there'll be a safe free speech mailing list all set up a lot

01:37:35.680 of other goodies on the way as well but i'm excited to get the uh the uh the newsletter

01:37:41.100 finally in effect so people can sign up uh and of course we gotta do the uh the give send go one

01:37:49.000 more time i just met with a guy the other day the award-winning uh documentarian who's working

01:37:56.740 with us on this project um it's coming along guys it's coming along it can really be uh

01:38:03.020 you know this documentary uh if if we reach our goals it will be it will be good it'll be

01:38:10.720 internationally distributed it'll be submitted to film festivals it will be you know it's going

01:38:17.560 to be broadcast professional ready to go uh and it's going to be exposing you know the dirty crooks

01:38:25.980 who are pushing bill c63 pushing this censorship uh industry in canada and it's going to help

01:38:34.640 educate people it's going to help educate people who are outside of our echo chamber most

01:38:39.160 importantly but if you want to donate to our documentary to help fight this battle to save

01:38:43.940 free speech in canada and try to turn this country around then you can go to give send go.com

01:38:47.940 slash save free speech send us a donation there big shout outs to the uh recent donations we got

01:38:54.220 albert mcguffin with 50 thanks greg i appreciate all the hard work you put into putting the word

01:39:00.080 out there let's save canada oh this guy's in chat a lot daryl scurred with 50 we must fight this war

01:39:07.660 on all fronts as i said before we don't win by giving in any bottle we lose only radicalizes

01:39:13.340 more Canadians to join the cause of free speech.

01:39:15.480 The enemy must never be able to claim

01:39:17.260 that we didn't speak up. Leave the enemy

01:39:19.280 with no excuses. Love it.

01:39:21.640 Absolutely love it. Thanks so much for those

01:39:23.220 donation guys. Anonymous Givers

01:39:25.140 as well. Yeah.

01:39:27.280 Gonna do another stream on Thursday.

01:39:29.480 Not sure what about

01:39:31.360 yet but yeah a lot of content coming down

01:39:33.260 the pipe and we gotta

01:39:34.680 line up more of the interviews for the documentary

01:39:37.500 as well which is something that will be happening

01:39:39.220 in the background but

01:39:40.220 yeah just about to wrap it up here

01:39:43.800 thanks again for tuning in love you guys

01:39:46.080 yep Trent Dabbs leaves the

01:39:47.620 sign up on the website here

01:39:49.780 savefreespeech.ca slash c63

01:39:51.700 I don't know if the

01:39:53.880 actual sign up works yet for the

01:39:55.780 for the

01:39:56.240 for the mailing list

01:39:58.480 but it will be tomorrow I have to just sort out

01:40:01.820 some little glitches or something

01:40:03.580 but yeah I'll be tweeting about

01:40:05.940 the newsletter tomorrow you'll see it

01:40:07.540 it'll be all there but

01:40:09.680 Yeah, thanks again for tuning in guys. We will talk to you later until next time. Bye

01:40:32.280 This song's called Trudeau

01:40:34.280 Oil-mounted police showed up at my place because of things I said online.

01:40:43.280 Turn on the CBC, they were criticizing me because I dared to step out of line.

01:40:51.280 Police at my door, I got dragged out.

01:40:56.280 My neighbors and friends didn't make any sound.

01:41:00.280 They bit their tongues, they swallowed it down

01:41:04.280 So much silence, and it was oh so loud

01:41:12.280 I'm just gonna say what everybody know 1.00

01:41:16.280 It's a little too late to just say fuck Trudeau 1.00

01:41:21.280 Look yourself in the face and let's be honest folks 1.00

01:41:25.280 folks, you gave up on this place a long time ago.

01:41:39.960 So called men in this country, don't got pride, they got HIV, deathly afraid of being

01:41:46.160 called a racist.

01:41:49.080 They cower and they squirm, give their beard another perm, put their head in the sand,

01:41:54.320 Cause they don't want to face it

01:41:56.320 Something will happen to them

01:41:58.320 And then they can't keep down

01:42:01.320 They finally wake up

01:42:03.320 And they look around

01:42:05.320 Police at their door

01:42:07.320 What do you say now?

01:42:09.320 You waited too long 0.80

01:42:11.320 I bet you hate yourself

01:42:17.320 I'm just gonna say what everybody know 1.00

01:42:21.320 It's a little too late to just say fuck Trudeau 1.00

01:42:25.920 Look yourself in the face and be honest bro 1.00

01:42:30.420 You gave up on this place a long time ago

01:42:35.620 Bits your tongue one too many times

01:42:47.020 And in that moment, the country died. 0.88

01:42:56.020 Crooks in the parliament, they outlawed all dissent.

01:43:00.020 Canada, a nation failed. 0.93

01:43:04.020 All the shopper citizens only care about their things.

01:43:09.020 Just one question, is it on sale?

01:43:12.020 The corruption gets worse, and it's all so wrong.

01:43:16.020 But can it be so bad when they have Amazon?

01:43:21.020 They bit their tongues, they swallowed it down

01:43:25.020 There's so much silence, blood dripping out their mouths

01:43:33.020 I'm just gonna say what everybody know 1.00

01:43:37.020 It's a little too late to just say fuck Trudeau 1.00

01:43:42.020 Look yourself in the face and let's be honest, folks 1.00

01:43:46.660 You gave up on this place a long time ago 1.00

01:43:51.500 But all it takes is a single man

01:44:03.240 To speak up and make a stand

01:44:12.020 Maybe it's not too late, it's never set in stone 1.00

01:44:20.020 But you gotta do more than hate, and just say fuck Trudeau 0.99

01:44:26.020 You're gonna have to be brave, it will be worth it though 1.00

01:44:31.020 If you speak up you could save your one and only home

01:44:42.020 You're one and only home

01:45:12.020 You

Greg Wycliffe - October 09, 2024

🔴LIVE with Frances Widdowson🔴Cancelled Tenured Professor fighting for REASON in Universities🔴

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