Greg Wycliffe - Randy Hillier's Trucker Convoy Charges 4 Years Later - Exclusive Interview

00:00:00.000 Freedom! Freedom!

00:00:30.000 5, 5, 4, 5, 5, 6, 4, 5, 5, 6, 5.

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00:00:48.820 Freedom! Freedom! Victory!

00:01:18.820 All righty, we are going live with Randy Hillier in just a second here.

00:01:48.820 How do I really do this?

00:02:15.600 this is a clip from

00:02:41.440 Kemptville

00:02:42.280 Kemptville, Ontario

00:02:44.400 during the lockdowns.

00:02:46.560 No more lockdowns.

00:02:48.640 And we're going to hear from Randy just in a second.

00:02:50.620 Look at those suspenders. 0.67

00:02:52.760 Amazing.

00:02:57.160 Moonshippeth says,

00:02:57.860 Four years later, no one held accountable.

00:02:59.860 Yeah, no kidding.

00:03:00.780 No kidding.

00:03:03.360 All right.

00:03:10.900 The Roaring Lion.

00:03:13.880 Amazing.

00:03:14.400 Victory! Victory! Victory! Victory! Victory!

00:03:26.160 Okay. Okay. Now.

00:03:33.760 How do we get rid of this?

00:03:42.160 How do we stop this clip?

00:03:44.400 What the hell?

00:03:54.680 Jeez, Luis. 0.96

00:04:04.840 Is this thing glitching or what?

00:04:11.000 Oh my gosh.

00:04:12.000 Oh

00:04:29.340 Why can't I take this down

00:04:42.000 There we go.

00:04:48.260 Hey, here we are.

00:04:50.960 Technology.

00:04:52.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:53.520 Hey, well, let's get her started. 0.99

00:04:57.300 I couldn't stop the clip from playing.

00:04:59.240 That's kind of embarrassing.

00:05:00.640 But how's everyone doing tonight?

00:05:02.400 Randy, how are you this evening?

00:05:04.980 I'm doing fine, and great to see you again, Greg.

00:05:08.680 Of course.

00:05:09.560 And for people who don't know the context of that clip, you said it was in Kemptville.

00:05:15.800 This is what?

00:05:16.400 I'm guessing 2021 when this happened?

00:05:20.500 This was at the height of the lockdowns.

00:05:23.380 This is where there was no allowance for anyone to be gathering outside for any reason other than the prescribed, you know, health care or groceries or LCBO.

00:05:38.600 But, you know, there was various thresholds over the lockdowns.

00:05:45.640 You know, sometimes five people were allowed to get together, sometimes ten, sometimes twenty.

00:05:50.540 That was when there was zero allowed.

00:05:54.120 And that was one of the cases that we won in the constitutional challenge that I had.

00:05:59.760 The 25 different charges against me for disobeying the lockdowns.

00:06:05.740 That was one of the key ones.

00:06:08.600 um that we won in court on so that that video was played in court uh no because we won the

00:06:16.200 constitutional challenge all right the charges were stayed so you didn't even go to trial

00:06:22.600 not on those ones i've got enough other

00:06:27.320 enough other trials so and unfortunately everybody in that video is now

00:06:31.800 dead because they weren't wearing a mask no i'm just kidding just kidding just kidding they are

00:06:36.760 all alive and well and they still call and uh and chat and uh uh comment about what a marvelous day

00:06:45.000 it was at the bistro um and yes i don't think the public health and the opp were so um thinking it

00:06:53.400 was so marvelous but uh all the other patrons drinking beer and uh enjoying a nice spring

00:07:00.600 evening in camp though yeah and tonight we're gonna get into the kind of latest with your

00:07:07.220 never-ending story your never-ending charges uh since the convoy we'll kind of get into the

00:07:12.520 details the weeds on that we'll talk a little bit about bill c9 we'll talk a little bit about

00:07:16.720 world war three uh that kind of fun stuff but i wanted to go back to that clip real quick because

00:07:22.480 It reminds me of another viral convoy clip or, you know, COVID era clip, which is when the sort of guilty anti-mask or anti-vaxxer was able to get the police to fuck off, basically, part of my language.

00:07:41.560 but they were they were able to get the police to go away uh the other clip was um archer pavlowski

00:07:47.200 if you remember when there's that viral clip of a whole bunch of you know at least a half dozen to

00:07:53.260 a dozen police officers coming in with their mask and he's just like get out get out screaming uh

00:07:59.380 but it is cool to see that when the will of the people that the kind of lion lion's roar

00:08:04.520 of the righteousness yeah yeah we had a few of those peterborough was another big example of

00:08:11.480 that where the uh um but we had quite a number of uh instances where um the audience and the

00:08:21.960 participants uh practice what i believe is the the finest art and and most noble undertaking

00:08:31.560 of a citizen of a country and that is a peaceful non-violent civil disobedience when government

00:08:38.280 imposes wrongdoings and injustice on people and i think that's a good clip to just show how it can

00:08:45.080 be done nothing violent nothing no property damage no violence but asserting your freedom

00:08:54.680 and asserting that the police have an obligation to respect you.

00:09:01.080 Yeah, it definitely helps when you're in a group,

00:09:05.840 all kind of pushing in the same direction,

00:09:08.360 peaceful, nonviolent, civil disobedience.

00:09:12.280 That's simple.

00:09:13.300 That's simple.

00:09:14.680 And so I want to go into the wins and then not the losses,

00:09:20.420 but the kind of ongoing loose ends.

00:09:22.560 If I'm not mistaken, throughout your convoy charges, this was one of the wins, you said, right?

00:09:31.500 Like there was a constitutional W in terms of thanks to your sort of pushback in the courts, they were able to determine that some of the lockdown measures were unconstitutional.

00:09:43.420 Yeah. Yeah. We didn't get very many.

00:09:45.420 And even the ones we got could have been bigger, but we did get a couple,

00:09:53.260 and that was one where the prohibition on all outdoor gatherings was zero.

00:10:02.880 So that's, you know, it was a long, long battle.

00:10:09.000 that that we didn't win that case finally until i think it was april of 2025 so just a year ago

00:10:21.560 yeah four years after the event

00:10:28.200 and um when it comes to like the implications of of the win like you know when we tally up

00:10:36.840 like let's just say like you know a pandemic happens tomorrow and like they try to impose

00:10:41.440 the same rules like what are we looking at in terms of uh you know safeguards that we've created

00:10:48.360 or safeguards that are not there i know this could go into like a big whole discussion but uh

00:10:52.700 yeah still still not nearly where we need to be but there's still some cases pending uh you know

00:10:59.860 of course there's the big uh uh case pending uh where the government's uh appealing the mosley

00:11:06.000 decision uh and the enactment of the emergency act so that's uh um that will be an important one but

00:11:13.920 but it's not only the the winds but it's also the like in this case with the lockdowns this

00:11:21.680 was the first time any court in our country ruled on peaceful assembly if you can believe it since

00:11:31.520 the charter was enacted in 1982 there had been charter challenges on freedom of expression

00:11:38.560 freedom of religion worship all kinds of freedoms but never had the courts ever considered how to

00:11:46.400 protect freedom of assembly so now we have a body of law that is starting to be established about

00:11:55.840 the importance of peaceful assembly and how the courts need to ensure that that assembly

00:12:05.600 is permitted because during covert if you without getting too deep in the weeds but

00:12:11.120 what the governments and the courts were initially saying was well you know you can assemble on zoom

00:12:17.280 uh and on social media um you know and that's that's good enough and uh you know and and that

00:12:26.340 was one of the the strong messages in the case was no um we need to be in the public square

00:12:34.200 we need to be out in the open where others can see us hear us and visualize the opposition to 0.95

00:12:43.920 law and not in the zoom call just doesn't yeah all of you cretins can stay in your basement go 1.00

00:12:52.800 protest in a deep dark hole somewhere that's where we want you to protest congregate in your deep 0.85

00:12:57.520 dark holes yeah that's crazy so we we do have some added protections but not yeah not as much

00:13:07.920 as we'd like to have and i think this is going to be just a continued there will have to be more

00:13:13.920 Of these cases and more examples of Canadians willing to stand up and assert their freedom of assembly as well as freedom of speech for the courts and the politicians and the government to take notice.

00:13:32.560 Yeah, and, you know, I'm not a big legal guy.

00:13:35.640 I'm still trying to piece how all this stuff works.

00:13:38.100 something that I found very confusing and maybe you could try to simplify it for for the layman's

00:13:43.640 out there I never really understood because you know I did this documentary kind of interviewing

00:13:49.120 yourself interviewing Henry Hildebrandt and and and the Henry Hildebrandt interview he's like hey

00:13:55.160 look I found the Charter of Rights and Freedoms hey look I found you know the Bill of Rights

00:13:59.820 and they're like no it doesn't apply during COVID and it's like how does that work where there's like

00:14:04.640 laws that somehow are able to be laid upon somebody that supersedes the charter that

00:14:11.700 supersedes the bill of rights like how does and then it's like oh well you know you can still do

00:14:16.620 a charter challenge or is like like why do these not what how does it get trumped i guess is what

00:14:21.780 i'm asking how does the charter get trumped how does the bill of rights get trumped like that

00:14:25.700 So nothing trumps the charter in law other than the rules that are derived to interpret it, if that sort of makes sense.

00:14:41.260 So like one of the cases, one of the key underlying elements of the Charter is that we have these freedoms of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, but they can be impugned upon, they can be infringed, but in what is demonstrably fair in a free and democratic society.

00:15:04.980 so you know that's where the court comes in is what what determines what is demonstrably fair

00:15:13.800 and then we have all these case laws that a demonstrably fair infringement on the charter

00:15:20.660 rights yeah and that's the actual legalese that's the actual wording you know um so uh the charter

00:15:28.100 allows for it. So that was a fair breaking of the rules. Yeah. It really, it really has

00:15:36.120 made the charter just about empty and just about hollow. Do constitutional lawyers, because I'm

00:15:46.380 guessing there was a legal president where they're like, okay, sometimes you can fairly break the

00:15:50.660 charter. Like, was there a specific case that happened in Canadian history that like allowed

00:15:55.140 this to start happening where okay i guess we can kind of break the rules in the charter if it's

00:15:59.660 fair yeah so one of the the milestone cases in there is what's called the oaks case and and it's

00:16:08.760 often referred to now as the oaks test how does the how does the court determine what is demonstrably

00:16:18.160 fair was there was uh did the government do everything necessary to ameliorate the infringement

00:16:29.040 did they create um uh other uh other means or mechanisms to mitigate the infringement

00:16:39.680 so the that's the oaks test uh and

00:16:43.200 And, you know, but I think I'll just take a step back, you know, nobody's going to learn

00:16:51.900 on the law in one or two sessions.

00:16:55.140 Like, people go to law school for six years, Greg, and then there's still years and decades

00:17:04.200 of learning the law and practicing and experiencing it.

00:17:08.780 so don't expect to know everything about the law um in in a couple of podcasts or anything but

00:17:17.180 but here's a a subset to that so the the bill of rights is a federal statute

00:17:25.020 that only applies to federal legislation so you know and i'm speaking in very

00:17:32.380 general broad terms it applies to all canadians but it all but it's an act created by the parliament

00:17:37.580 of Canada, so it cannot be applied to provincial jurisdictions.

00:17:43.740 And things like what we saw during COVID, the ability to regulate property and to regulate

00:17:58.820 business hours and whatnot, that is a provincial jurisdiction, so the Federal Bill of Rights

00:18:04.420 can apply to it gotcha gotcha so it's you know anyway that's just a very very brief snippet of

00:18:15.900 yeah i i uh i want to get into c9 in a minute but but let's get to the latest with this uh

00:18:24.140 you know in summary i think when it comes to your ongoing charges it's gone from

00:18:29.020 what i would call a kind of politically trumped up charge for being seen as some sort of leader

00:18:35.500 or outspoken former politician who was part of the trucker convoy in 2022 where i will play the

00:18:42.680 clip in a second here but essentially at one point you moved a railing a couple feet and they said

00:18:49.840 that you they say that you assaulted two police officers is that correct yeah so yeah it was on 1.00

00:18:56.940 the steps to going up department hill uh a wintry snowy day in during freedom convoy and they were

00:19:05.740 hurting uh and making a choke point and i uh moved a barricade to alleviate that choke point

00:19:14.140 and uh and as a result um the ottawa police uh determined that that was both an assault on the

00:19:23.900 peace officers and and then the obstruction of the peace officers uh oh yeah should we put uh

00:19:31.260 we'll put it up on on screen for people to take a look at the great assault on parliament hill

00:19:38.300 trigger warning there's a lot of extreme violence here a lot of hatred in this clip

00:19:43.660 if you want to just put it full screen too and play it let's see if we can do that

00:19:53.900 There's moving the barricade.

00:20:20.400 Wow.

00:20:21.340 Oh, my gosh.

00:20:22.520 The humanity.

00:20:23.900 oh my goodness

00:20:26.200 the

00:20:26.940 those police officers

00:20:29.800 still have not

00:20:30.940 Max Bean, Bernie was there

00:20:33.380 there was a bunch of people there

00:20:34.360 we were going on to the hell

00:20:35.520 you know

00:20:38.280 for those wondering

00:20:41.020 the police officers are still in therapy

00:20:43.460 they're still recovering

00:20:45.660 from the trauma

00:20:46.720 that you caused them

00:20:48.220 the trauma, yes

00:20:49.680 anyway that is the

00:20:52.580 That was the motivation to lay charges against me.

00:20:59.140 Of course, that was back in March of 2022, the charges were laid against me.

00:21:06.980 They put me on bail conditions where I wasn't allowed to speak about the Freedom Convoy,

00:21:11.840 wasn't allowed to post about it, wasn't allowed to chat with dangerous potential felons such as yourself

00:21:19.240 and many others that happened to be at in Ottawa during the Freedom Convoy I was

00:21:28.160 prevented and prohibited from going to Ottawa in case I may move another

00:21:35.740 barricade or something $35,000 surity there was all kinds of restrictions

00:21:43.900 placed on me and uh uh you know uh which as a member of the provincial parliament at the time

00:21:56.060 and as a 63 year old man who has never been charged with any criminal offense in my life

00:22:03.020 i thought it was a bit of a stretch um and uh but fast forward that i i ended up um representing

00:22:14.140 myself because the cost of the legal fees was just outrageous and and not i couldn't sustain

00:22:22.460 the the legal cost so i started representing myself finally in september of 2024

00:22:36.540 we argued that the trial the prosecution had taken too long had again violated my constitutional

00:22:43.980 right to access to justice and a speedy trial as defined by the jordan's test which said that a

00:22:54.700 person in my situation being charged in superior court should have their no must have their

00:23:01.500 prosecution done within 30 months and at that time and for yeah for those so essentially if

00:23:10.380 something hasn't gone to court in a long enough time then they just throw it out is essentially

00:23:15.420 the yeah well you have to make an application and and say to the to the trial judge this has

00:23:23.420 gone on too long this is why it's gone on too long and it is not the result of the defense

00:23:31.340 screwing around right right because if the defense is just jerking jerking around and screwing around 0.95

00:23:38.380 then uh that doesn't count to the jordan time clock yeah and this is definitely a pattern with

00:23:46.640 the other uh charges in and around the convoy where essentially if it's a politically trumped

00:23:52.300 up charge it's typically dragged out dragged out pushed down kicked kicking the can down the road

00:23:57.220 because because it makes sense because for the public relations for the crown for the government

00:24:02.840 for this authoritarian crackdown pretty well what it was the more time that goes by you know the

00:24:09.680 more people forget more people forget what happened more people forget how egregious it was

00:24:15.280 and at this point like if you talk to especially if you talk to a normie they're like oh covid that

00:24:19.920 was like so long ago like who cares and it's like there's people who are still being dragged through

00:24:25.120 courts to this day actually um so yeah so anyway i we won that jordan application the trial judge

00:24:34.080 said yes mr hillier the crown has taken too long um there was uh the crown had argued two key

00:24:41.120 elements uh one the uh one of the big delays there was an eight month delay in getting video from

00:24:49.600 parliament hill and the crown said well that that's that's really shouldn't count in the jordan time

00:24:58.960 clock um it doesn't matter if we drag our feet to you know uh blah blah blah blah blah and then

00:25:05.280 there was another uh why wouldn't that count oh they were saying because it was that i still could

00:25:12.320 of uh set a trial date without knowing what the evidence was against me and like

00:25:22.880 it was bizarre anyway the court of appeals upheld that that eight month delay on getting

00:25:28.320 me the video evidence was a crown delay it was not a defense delay um but that was another

00:25:35.520 four-month period of time where the crown had the the judge had summarily dismissed my

00:25:45.280 change of venue application uh which was an error in law um he you have to hear the motion before

00:25:53.840 you dismiss and he vacated dismissed it without hearing it um two days later he realized this

00:26:00.480 This was Justice Phillips in Ottawa.

00:26:02.540 He realized that he had screwed up and vacated his decision,

00:26:08.600 and the process started to go up again.

00:26:11.520 But now this was the end of April of 2020, 2023,

00:26:19.300 and the next court date that we could get was in September.

00:26:24.680 So that was, you know, May, June, July, August, you know,

00:26:28.320 four months to late.

00:26:30.480 All because, with two reasons, Justice Phillips screwed up, and then the courts, every summer, it happens every year, if you can believe it, people go on holidays, judges go on holidays, lawyers go on holidays, crown attorneys go on holidays, the court clerks and staff go on holidays, and there's not as many

00:26:57.540 court dates available in the summertime so um it was delayed till september and at at the trial

00:27:05.460 judge right said yeah that is not a defense delay that's a crown delay um and um but on appeal

00:27:13.080 the court of appeal said no that's not a really a crown delay and it's not really a defense delay

00:27:20.280 it's it's an exceptional delay um and so we'll like we move those uh four months out of the

00:27:29.120 jordan time frame and uh there you are mr hillier you're yeah you're yeah when we deduct that your

00:27:37.180 trial would have taken place in 28 months in so many days and you're under the jordan threshold

00:27:43.240 um and so back to court you go and the jordan clock restarts at 30 months right and if i'm

00:27:50.860 not mistaken this there's a legal term for this i think i believe it's uh called being dicked

00:27:56.020 around is that is that is that the right term but uh no but seriously like like who are we kidding

00:28:03.160 here in terms of this uh well it's it's a it's an exceptional delay has that ever even been used

00:28:09.900 before oh yeah yeah they have you know the crown is listen you know the crown didn't just fall off

00:28:16.780 the turnip truck they they have been very skilled and experienced at dicking people around for a long

00:28:24.220 time no and you know they're um you know as much as you might dislike them in as much as we might

00:28:32.620 recognize that they lack integrity um they're still integrity yeah they're still you know

00:28:41.980 capable people uh so and and uh they were able to convince the um the court of appeals that yes

00:28:51.800 this was an exceptional delay you know that's a it's interesting you say that that you know they

00:28:57.100 are very capable people um there there also seems to be a lot of capability with certain judges and

00:29:03.940 certain systems when it comes to like keeping uh violent immigrants in the country for example 1.00

00:29:10.220 right like there seems to be an incredible competence uh for punishing people like yourself

00:29:16.880 and then also trying to give a leg up to people like people who have been violent or been

00:29:21.960 you know who uh but let's other types of people so so here i would say that listen

00:29:29.140 everybody in the whether they're crown attorneys or judges they've all gone through the academic

00:29:37.060 left-wing woke academic regimen for a number of years and then they've worked in the bureaucracy

00:29:47.540 of the legal machine for for ages and you know most most if not many if not most judges

00:29:56.380 are former crown attorneys so there's going to be some affinity some collegial uh affinity

00:30:04.920 with their former colleagues um as well as they want to advance up the the you know the hierarchy

00:30:15.900 of the legal system to get to a bigger more more recognizable and more wealthy throne you know to

00:30:25.340 move from the courts of justice to the superior court to the appeals court to the federal court

00:30:31.960 to the to the supreme court so you're going to want to make sure that the people who make the

00:30:41.040 political appointments are see you as a shining example of their similar world views and when

00:30:53.600 push comes to shove you know what do you think is driving this bias let's just get right down to it

00:30:59.060 do you think it's financial incentives like where the financial incentives coming from

00:31:03.160 who enforces it who's behind the curtain randy well it's just like if people want anybody who's

00:31:11.400 ambitious wants to advance up the bureaucratic hierarchy you know the money is good um you know

00:31:18.900 a justice of the peace that the low end of the scale is going to make you know 150 grand a year

00:31:24.700 um um a judge on the superior court is you know on on the superior court not the supreme court

00:31:33.720 is going to be making 400 grand a year uh plus the perks um you know judges as you advance up

00:31:41.180 the ladder you get a lot of perks as well so um you know so there's you know if you're any what

00:31:46.660 ambitious you're going to make sure that your political masters recognize the quality

00:31:58.120 and the similarity of your views with your political people making the appointments

00:32:04.380 so that's I think I don't think there's anything much more nefarious than that Greg it's just

00:32:12.680 yeah how people naturally tend to behave yeah yeah i think that's a good sort of answer especially

00:32:22.000 for people who are like it's a conspiracy it's a this it's a that and it's like well i think it's

00:32:26.360 just various uh levels of incentives various sort of you know people want people want to avoid the

00:32:32.640 stick they want to get go after the carrot and like you said if they're ambitious they want to

00:32:36.460 move up and they you know they see this sort of uh bias that has kind of overwhelmed all of our

00:32:42.160 institutions and uh you know advancing their career might be the kind of priority whereas

00:32:48.660 like actually being in having integrity and you know upholding justice in canada and being

00:32:55.040 honorable that's sort of like the window dressing that we put around i'll make the comparison with

00:33:00.140 with the general brass in our military who are all absolutely left-wing woke

00:33:06.660 tards as well um you know hey randy only only fascists want to keep tampons out of the men's 1.00

00:33:16.980 bathrooms only a fascist would say something like that sir so you know like that's the way

00:33:23.480 a bureaucracy operates um you know the in the old days uh we used to call it the peter principle

00:33:30.240 about advancing falling upwards you know but that's um the incentives are not for people with

00:33:40.980 integrity to advance and it's it's the same in politics it's the same in the military it's the

00:33:47.320 same in uh in most large bureaucratic organizations i mean that's interesting because it's almost

00:33:54.500 like a warped version of how loyalty is the most important thing but like the loyalty

00:34:01.860 for country and nation has kind of been replaced with like loyalty to me or like whoever's in

00:34:10.020 charge or like whatever the playbook is or you know does that make sense yeah yeah no i think

00:34:16.440 there's you know you see that uh you know i i would i would say it's loyalty to the power

00:34:25.080 that can advance your interest or that can improve your interests now you know and uh so if you're

00:34:33.460 a conservative backbencher uh the power that can advance your interests are in the leader's office

00:34:40.980 and in the lobbyist's office and you do the things that will make the leader's office

00:34:48.600 and the lobbyist happy with you.

00:34:50.800 I'm just picturing like leveling with the bureaucrat who has some form of influence

00:34:55.860 and power on a specific policy and saying, hey, this is going to be so good for the nation.

00:35:00.820 It's going to be so good for the Canadian people.

00:35:02.700 You got to listen to me.

00:35:03.500 And then they just turn to you and say, what does that have to do with me maximizing my pension?

00:35:09.580 Get out of my office.

00:35:10.980 This is about my pension, okay?

00:35:14.060 I don't care.

00:35:15.140 I mean, I don't want to be that cynical, but it's certainly...

00:35:18.500 It's a little bit more nuanced and sophisticated than that, Greg.

00:35:21.360 But let's say you're not going to do things

00:35:25.820 that are going to jeopardize your advancement. 1.00

00:35:30.980 So you go along with these stupid things 0.99

00:35:34.300 because you don't want to jeopardize that those incentives sure and but but at the same time 0.99

00:35:45.540 think about how easy that is to control people you get a group email of your whole team and you

00:35:50.720 know department xyz in the government and you send out an email that says by the way if you

00:35:56.540 don't get vaccinated and if if you have these ideas oh my god are you going to be in trouble

00:36:02.720 And then you get the email and you're like, oh, I got the email.

00:36:05.840 You see the email chain? 0.97

00:36:07.180 Yeah, better shut up about that.

00:36:09.920 Our society operates the way it's incented to operate.

00:36:16.020 This is no big strange or odd thing, Greg.

00:36:26.140 Power structures, institutions, industries, everything.

00:36:30.800 everybody knows what motivates people or what can motivate people and they design an incentive

00:36:38.740 package to get people to do what they want them to do so you know but yeah as you just said look

00:36:46.060 at look at the house of commons you know how is it that you can get uh 150 people all to say the

00:36:54.140 exact same thing

00:36:55.800 on a bill

00:36:57.060 you know

00:36:59.460 without any deviation

00:37:01.640 you know

00:37:03.320 as long as we're on the blue team and you can get

00:37:05.900 200 on the red team to say

00:37:08.060 the exact same thing

00:37:09.760 because they're incented to do

00:37:12.260 so right

00:37:13.540 and that's it's not

00:37:16.100 any different than in the courts but anyway

00:37:17.940 going back so now

00:37:19.540 the appeal court says

00:37:22.080 has thrown out my Jordan.

00:37:25.220 I've got to go back, restart the process,

00:37:28.340 and I'm still looking at a few of the options available,

00:37:32.640 whether I seek leave to appeal to the Supreme Court

00:37:36.140 to overturn the appeals court decision,

00:37:38.980 or whether we go back into trial,

00:37:41.340 or there's a few different options up my sleeve,

00:37:46.060 but all of them will be costly.

00:37:48.020 um and uh and once again i'll be representing myself because

00:37:55.220 where do people support you they can go on nomorelockdowns.ca uh there is a fundraising

00:38:04.120 page here and it also allows for e-transfers or it has my mailing address as well it's

00:38:11.900 www.nomorelockdowns.ca

00:38:15.420 and you can help out there if you like.

00:38:20.460 Yeah, so to summarize,

00:38:23.300 so to summarize what was once

00:38:27.380 a trumped up political charge

00:38:29.060 that's kind of turned into this

00:38:30.780 sort of cat and mouse back and forth

00:38:33.320 trying to get you on a technicality.

00:38:35.120 Now you're trying to get them on a technicality

00:38:36.700 and now it has like nothing to do

00:38:38.160 with anything to do with this alleged assault.

00:38:40.880 Although I got to say,

00:38:41.900 I understand why you want to completely avoid the trial, be expensive, take longer.

00:38:46.380 But it would be pretty funny to see them try and say, hey, you assaulted a police officer.

00:38:52.880 No, I haven't discounted that.

00:38:54.660 Like, just like, but here's, as we have seen, Greg, every case in Ottawa that was found not guilty or ended up in acquittal during the freedom, from Freedom Convoy related charges have all been appealed as well.

00:39:17.720 So, you know, the big names like Leach and Barber, and, you know, now they have legal representation that's paid for them.

00:39:30.140 You know, I don't, you know, but...

00:39:34.720 Wait, no one like JCCF is representing you or...

00:39:40.300 No, no, they've turned down my, any interest in representing me, Greg.

00:39:47.720 I'm sorry to hear that, that's too bad

00:39:50.220 you're one of the

00:39:51.580 have you not been behaving yourself

00:39:54.080 on the timeline or something, what's going on

00:39:55.840 why wouldn't they represent good old

00:39:57.960 Randy Hillier, come on

00:39:59.360 well, you know, they have represented me in the past

00:40:02.000 you know, during

00:40:04.100 the COVID charges

00:40:05.660 and I thank them for that

00:40:07.340 I think my

00:40:09.120 some of my views

00:40:11.860 on the

00:40:14.220 Iran war

00:40:15.680 and some of my views on the political system.

00:40:20.020 You know, the JCCF is a charitable organization.

00:40:23.600 It operates by attracting funds to them.

00:40:29.960 They're adjacent to the Conservative Party

00:40:31.700 and all their interests, probably.

00:40:33.680 Yeah, so there would be a lot of conservatives

00:40:37.480 and other demographics that would be large donors 0.59

00:40:43.580 and contributors to the JCCF who may find my views on some subjects

00:40:51.820 to be less than desirable or not consistent with their views.

00:40:58.220 And I think, you know, they would not.

00:40:59.980 You could say that you might be part of a fringe minority

00:41:04.080 who holds unacceptable views, one might say.

00:41:08.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:09.040 So, yeah, like, you know, there's a lot of people that dislike my view

00:41:14.420 on the wars in the Middle East.

00:41:18.120 And so anyway, I think that's, in large part,

00:41:24.740 they didn't want to jeopardize their fundraising abilities

00:41:28.740 and their donor class.

00:41:31.000 You know, we saw something like that with Charlie Kirk down at TPUSA

00:41:36.040 in the States last year as well,

00:41:37.520 where there was a kerfuffle about Charlie losing donors

00:41:43.560 if he had people like Tucker Carlson on his stage.

00:41:48.300 You know, that would be a no-no

00:41:50.680 because Tucker had some disagreeable views

00:41:56.480 to some of the demographics of the donor class to the TPUSA.

00:42:04.560 Interesting.

00:42:05.200 talking about uh people who are critical of israel basically yeah yeah that's yeah well that was

00:42:13.600 certainly the case in in in the charlie kirks and dr carlson's uh you know yeah yeah and you know i

00:42:22.520 have uh i always hesitate to talk about this topic because it is you know i've said it's always the

00:42:29.000 biggest minefield in politics to talk about you know how yes people care about racism but if you

00:42:37.920 start to talk about you know something that could be considered anti-semitic then everybody freaks

00:42:42.220 out and it's this huge hot hot potato of an issue but for somebody who has been following kind of

00:42:47.860 like free speech trends across the western world uh there's a common trend there's a common thread

00:42:53.160 here across the western world which is you know anti-semitism laws always seems to be the first

00:42:59.560 shoe to drop um i recently interviewed up on me but oh see there you go so i think greg

00:43:11.080 you froze up on me but but what's like what's the last thing you heard me say you know

00:43:14.840 know this blends in well with you know like what we're seeing with c9 uh where um you know freedom 0.59

00:43:25.580 of speech is uh we've somehow like i always understood you know one of the big values of

00:43:34.580 freedom of speech is the freedom to be critical because i know we all have always known that if

00:43:42.040 want to improve yourself or improve the organization that you belong to or improve

00:43:48.280 your country you must be able to offer objective criticism of it and um and now we're seeing like

00:43:58.920 that like you can't be critical of israel's policies um because that makes you an anti-semite

00:44:07.800 You can't be critical of Pierre Pagliot's policies

00:44:11.480 or that makes you a carny lover.

00:44:13.920 You can't be critical of carny's policies

00:44:18.640 or that makes you a conservative lover.

00:44:21.620 And if you're a leftist,

00:44:22.860 you can't be critical of gender ideology

00:44:24.880 or else that makes you a fascist.

00:44:27.420 You know, like there's all sorts of versions of this.

00:44:29.440 Yeah, there's no criticism is now equated

00:44:35.040 with hate speech, largely.

00:44:37.320 And I think C9 takes that ever closer to that marker where any and every possible criticism will be considered hateful and therefore criminal.

00:44:57.820 Yeah, yeah, I know.

00:44:59.560 I've been doing a lot of research on it.

00:45:02.060 And my theory, my interpretation of C9 is that this is really the regime or the liberal government kind of thumping its chest to actually enforce existing laws more aggressively.

00:45:17.720 You know, in The Criminal Code, 319, 319.

00:45:21.920 It's been on the books for over 50 years, which is kind of wild because some of its language is like really kind of like modern day in terms of being kind of like, you know, new speaky a little bit.

00:45:34.080 Um, but, uh, yeah, it's really concerning because I think, I think they're kind of just like adding a few things in there to really kind of solidify or kind of bolster existing hate speech laws that rarely get used.

00:45:51.440 Um, but they're really kind of like, you know, aside from the actual legislation they want to pass, it seems to be like they're, this is really being promoted a lot in the news and like all these politicians and everything.

00:46:00.500 and what i and what i think the conservative party is largely missing yes the religious

00:46:05.220 exemption is egregious and very bad however they're not focusing at all on the sort of like

00:46:11.360 you know potential for it to um be abused in various ways no one talks about the symbols

00:46:18.360 thing very much i i only saw elizabeth may bring up the whole part on intimidation which is like 1.00

00:46:25.720 a whole new thing

00:46:26.660 that they've added in here

00:46:27.540 that is probably

00:46:28.080 the most broadly worded

00:46:29.580 and actually we can connect this

00:46:31.780 back to what you said earlier

00:46:32.660 about freedom of assembly.

00:46:35.560 This would be the most

00:46:36.760 kind of like huge wrench

00:46:38.360 into the wheel spoke

00:46:39.800 of freedom of assembly

00:46:41.340 and the Charter Rights and Freedoms.

00:46:43.080 Have you read this part

00:46:44.200 of the bill on intimidation, Randy?

00:46:47.080 No, not on the intimidation.

00:46:48.660 I was focused more on,

00:46:50.120 I was looking at it more

00:46:51.260 on how it was going to apply

00:46:52.960 to members of parliament

00:46:55.080 and members of the legislature and how it would be really detrimental

00:47:01.440 and revoke that long-held parliamentary privilege of being able to speak freely

00:47:10.020 and inquire about anything in our parliaments.

00:47:15.200 And so that's where my focus was, was looking at it,

00:47:19.740 as well as some of the things like the symbols.

00:47:22.920 Sure.

00:47:23.300 And even like this idea that that an expression of detest detestation or vilification or vilification is now hateful.

00:47:35.180 Like there are many people who do many things in our world that I do detest and that I do vilify.

00:47:45.240 And, like, when we hear of somebody engaging in child sex trafficking and pedophilia, that I find should be vilified.

00:48:01.980 It should be detested.

00:48:03.780 You know, I think when genocide happens and war crimes happen, we should be able to express our detest and vilify those who are engaged in those activities. 0.82

00:48:17.680 So, you know, it's it is really, you know, but I'll tell you this, you know, for 15 years, I sat in parliament in the interior legislature and everybody is of the belief that everybody who is enforcing these laws are people of high moral character and integrity.

00:48:40.300 instead of that recognizing that there's a whole bunch of people 0.98

00:48:44.420 that enforce our laws who are assholes. 0.99

00:48:47.080 Just like everything in life, 1.00

00:48:48.860 there's police officers that are assholes, 1.00

00:48:52.860 there's bureaucrats that are assholes. 1.00

00:48:55.960 There's teachers that are assholes. 1.00

00:48:57.580 There's taxi drivers that are assholes. 1.00

00:48:59.400 There's welders that are assholes. 1.00

00:49:01.520 There's governors that are assholes, premiers. 1.00

00:49:03.620 So you should never empower assholes with authority. 1.00

00:49:07.940 and that is what this is doing you know they've broadened out the law to to criminalize what is 0.98

00:49:19.980 normal expression vilifying and detesting yeah and well you know and and i think and again

00:49:32.060 you know and we've seen it we're seeing it every day

00:49:36.140 especially in with

00:49:39.680 we've seen it in BC with the native

00:49:44.340 question out there and the you know

00:49:48.220 can't find any graves but you know don't say

00:49:52.380 that you know that's your you could

00:49:56.460 be vilifying natives if you call out the

00:50:00.500 very fact that there are

00:50:02.600 no unmarked graves ever found.

00:50:05.920 And

00:50:06.140 it's the same thing in

00:50:08.580 Israel. You can be

00:50:10.400 seen to be vilifying

00:50:12.800 the people of a state if you're critical

00:50:16.620 of what the state is doing

00:50:18.300 with regards to

00:50:20.160 process

00:50:22.560 engaging in warfare.

00:50:26.680 So this is

00:50:28.680 This is not good. I think people should be, it has passed the Commons, but there is room for people to engage with the Senate now.

00:50:39.180 Um, and, and I think, you know, let's not, just because it's past the commons, it has to, um, uh, you know, focus the attention on the Senate right now, but I think people should continue to, uh, push heavily on the conservatives and on, and I think there might even be some avenue now with, with the NDP, with Avi Lewis, possibly.

00:51:05.100 um um you know because he's he has some fringe views as well you know he's a

00:51:13.380 jewish person who is not a zionist so he um uh he might be someone that can

00:51:23.260 marshal up a few ndp people uh now as well so you know and and and even if nothing else you know

00:51:34.340 at some point in time the liberals will be gone now and there should be pressure on the

00:51:43.680 mps that if they ever have the opportunity that they repeal this c9 provisions

00:51:51.180 yeah no absolutely i i mean i i love all you're saying i i my head's been in this all week

00:52:00.060 uh over a week uh and i'm actually working on a mini doc you know 10 12 minute piece

00:52:07.300 for senators to watch along with the public but really making the case of like this is what's

00:52:12.860 wrong with this bill um i can go into a few arguments if you want to see to get your feedback

00:52:18.420 on it sure sure um so the one thing that not that you're missing but the one the one kind of like

00:52:26.200 legal technicality when it comes to vilification and detestation is, it doesn't say that you can't

00:52:33.420 vilify and detest a person or an individual, but it's an identifiable, identifiable group,

00:52:41.380 which is a definition, if I'm not mistaken, that's like over 50 years old. This definition

00:52:47.140 of identifiable group is over 50 years old, you know, sexual identity, gender, race, religion,

00:52:54.060 uh nationality also disability is in there i think but you know one of my arguments is going to be

00:53:01.040 um i'm an unvaccinated i might not say it this way i might not be so personal with it talking

00:53:07.100 to a senator but i'll say hey uh here's a front page of the toronto star that says i don't care

00:53:13.280 if the unvaccinated die here's a clip of justin trudeau saying do we tolerate these people here's 1.00

00:53:19.460 a few other examples of clearly the Canadian establishment and government detesting and

00:53:24.940 vilifying unvaccinated Canadians, along with the people who are protesting for bodily autonomy,

00:53:30.760 they would actually not fall under this because they're not part of an identifiable group with

00:53:36.900 this definition. And then like bringing up other examples, like how much people hate Donald Trump

00:53:41.520 or how often people kind of call an average conservative a fascist and be like, we are in

00:53:46.660 such a polarized political world right now are you actually going to use this 50 year old definition

00:53:52.400 and say that you're seriously trying to stop all hate like it's it's very laughable you guys are

00:53:57.160 using an ancient definition that clearly does not apply to the modern era the very least there

00:54:02.640 should be political views in there and there's actually an example of a muslim imam which many

00:54:09.120 are saying this is what kind of like thrust forth this legislation the urgency around it to begin

00:54:14.580 there's an imam in montreal that said something like pretty out there which is like we need

00:54:19.040 god to like smite the enemies of palestine and like something something like zionists 1.00

00:54:24.940 but apparently 319 was not applied against this imam because a zionist also is not part of an

00:54:34.120 identifiable group it's more of a political ideology so yes but that's when you break out

00:54:40.640 when you uh but then if you break that out and segment it and say it's not really uh zionist

00:54:48.300 you're that's a that's a proxy it's a dog whistle for being a religious group you know and there's

00:54:55.760 like don't um you know and the same and the same goes for muslims as well you know like some you

00:55:03.460 You know, on the other side, somebody can make the argument that you're dog whistling and you're not really just targeting that person for their political views,

00:55:15.160 but you're casting shade and aspersions and vilifying the group that he belongs with, which is a Muslim group.

00:55:25.180 or or that yeah you know that the person uh you know belongs to a homosexual group or whatever it

00:55:34.220 is right no i hey don't get me wrong randy i think this is all a cover if it actually is passed it's

00:55:40.780 going to be used to be persecuting uh straight white christian nationalists i think those are

00:55:46.220 going to be on the top of the list in terms of how they actually use it against but uh i still

00:55:50.700 still think it's worth kind of giving giving them the good faith explanation of like how you know

00:55:57.460 how this definition is like super do you not think that's a good argument to like say this is a really

00:56:01.320 old definition that doesn't apply to the politically polarized but the other thing i would say is you

00:56:06.900 know that you know no piece of legislation is fixed in time forever it always gets amended

00:56:15.940 just as we amended 319 today, or this year.

00:56:20.960 And they will broaden, they will open that door up as well,

00:56:25.580 whether it's next year or whatever.

00:56:28.820 That door will be opened up,

00:56:31.000 and a broader category of identifiable groups will be included in it,

00:56:39.280 other than the white Christian nationalists

00:56:42.440 are probably never going to get into that group.

00:56:44.300 But everybody else, you know, so, you know, it isn't just identifiable groups.

00:56:56.960 It's also, isn't there a part of it as well about the, and I forget how it's worded now,

00:57:04.880 But with the messaging and products of and symbols of the symbols, yeah, yeah, known, you know, if you're on the terrorist entity list and any symbol principally associated with or like is known to resemble a symbol associated with.

00:57:32.640 simply the crime is displaying if you display the symbol and i think the implications of this are

00:57:41.360 totally nuts i think the most like the easiest thing to point to from probably our audience is

00:57:47.880 you know let's say there's let's say there's a government protest let's say this bill's in effect

00:57:52.760 c9's in effect you can criminalize symbol any symbol just is like a lightning bolt lightning

00:57:57.260 rod of criminality let's say there's this really popular protest grassroots protest movement that's

00:58:02.280 opposing some policy with the government and then boom somebody shows up day one with a nazi flag

00:58:08.400 so does that mean the entire protest movement is now criminal just the person holding the flag is

00:58:13.440 now criminal does that like characterize everybody in the crowd because that happened at the convoy

00:58:19.180 when the very first day they weren't talking about the many different groups of people who

00:58:23.620 were at the convoy on the news they talked about this nazi flag that showed up randomly in one

00:58:28.840 tiny little corner a lot of people have a theory that it might have been planted there part of a

00:58:33.380 photo op that all the media ran with but like you can already see how even having this law in the

00:58:38.820 books would be a great blessing for those in power or for another political faction who wants to

00:58:45.020 screw over like another political movement um yeah to kind of undermine everything open for abuse but

00:58:52.160 But also, you know, just, yeah, it's also not that there was a specific logo for the Freedom Convoy.

00:59:06.220 But let's just say there was a specific identifiable symbol, logo, flag for the Freedom Convoy.

00:59:16.920 There's one.

00:59:17.820 jerry camp uh the jerry yeah well yeah um um you know once that that that activity is recognized

00:59:32.700 as a uh a terrorist activity then then no symbols are included um so yeah you know overnight overnight

00:59:45.580 you know boom a symbol

00:59:47.260 these are orders in council

00:59:49.800 they're executive you know

00:59:51.660 in the states they would call them

00:59:53.500 executive orders here we call

00:59:55.860 them orders in council but it's

00:59:57.840 the same thing it's just the prime minister

00:59:59.960 public safety

01:00:01.860 minister and then like

01:00:03.280 I think it's public safety minister and one other person

01:00:06.040 need to like sign a document and then

01:00:07.840 boom and then they need to have reasonable

01:00:09.960 grounds to believe

01:00:11.980 that the group has like

01:00:13.120 help the terrorist group, or they might

01:00:15.880 commit terrorism, but

01:00:17.840 reasonable grounds, I don't know how broad that

01:00:19.880 is, but... But we saw that, again,

01:00:21.920 we saw that during the

01:00:23.600 Freedom Convoy, and the

01:00:25.420 you know, Trudeau said he had

01:00:27.940 reasonable grounds, and the public safety

01:00:29.840 minister said they had reasonable grounds.

01:00:31.880 Now, Mosley came back and said, no, you didn't.

01:00:34.360 But the damage was already

01:00:36.080 done.

01:00:37.920 And it took, what was it,

01:00:39.740 two years for the Mosley decision

01:00:42.000 to come out after the freedom convoy i believe um to you know to say no uh public safety minister

01:00:51.760 and no justin trudeau you you were unlawful in your actions so you know you don't that's a big

01:01:02.400 time frame to what consequences did they have to face for that by the way nothing right nothing

01:01:07.200 no no those are the consequences yeah zero yeah it's very cool

01:01:16.800 yeah there's you know again you know our system was based originally on the idea that

01:01:22.400 you know we all shared a universal uh moral standard uh that people were of high moral character

01:01:32.800 uh there was moral integrity uh you know like that's that's what our system is designed to

01:01:41.600 function on it doesn't function well when there is no moral standard and when there is no moral

01:01:48.360 character and when there is no uh integrity you know we either change the system uh recognizing

01:01:58.760 that all we're ever going to have

01:02:00.240 is scoundrels in there

01:02:01.580 or we reinvigorate

01:02:06.940 and restore a universal moral standard.

01:02:12.600 I think that's a big part of it.

01:02:14.260 I think people like to talk policy.

01:02:16.640 They like to talk audiology.

01:02:18.720 But the more I tumble down

01:02:20.820 the rabbit hole of politics,

01:02:22.120 it's like so much of it has to do

01:02:23.680 with the psychology of people.

01:02:26.120 And a huge part of that is like you said,

01:02:28.080 what is their morality do they go to church are they good people you know what what drives them

01:02:33.740 to do the right thing nothing then it's like i'm gonna yeah so the other day we saw a number of

01:02:41.840 conservatives hold the bible um when they voted on c9 you know and when's the last time you heard

01:02:50.200 them talk about the bible right is that where you're going with that well i just thought to

01:02:55.580 myself break i wonder when the last time uh any one of them uh broke the commandment of thou

01:03:04.940 shalt not bear false witness or when was the last time they didn't break thou shalt not commit

01:03:12.660 adultery or you know like go through the list um and have they ever upheld any of those commandments

01:03:22.360 You know, and I, like, you know, I dislike when things are used as props.

01:03:32.920 And I, you know, and I'm not, I don't know, you know, but I know in politics it's very seldom that you uphold the commandment not to bear false witness.

01:03:49.300 so among many others so yeah yeah here here are just a few uh from proverbs lying lips are an

01:03:59.540 abomination to the lord but those who act faithfully are his delight a false witness will

01:04:04.600 not go unpunished and whoever pours out lies will perish i was thinking of conservative

01:04:09.860 mps when reading this i'm reading proverbs right now um oh here we go this is the best one proverbs

01:04:15.540 11 3 the integrity of the upright guides them but the crookedness of the treacherous

01:04:20.820 treacherous destroys them yeah ah man yeah yeah so anyway you know i i do think that people

01:04:29.500 you know we went off on a bit of a tangent there but i do i do think people need to

01:04:34.640 vocalize and and be public and express their expectations um and um because

01:04:45.420 um otherwise the mpp mps are um just go about doing what they're doing um you know we have to

01:04:55.660 um that's our that's our obligation is to be critical of uh the people who represent us

01:05:03.700 yeah yeah and you know it's i've been making a big effort to try to like because because i you

01:05:13.060 know having lived through the convoy and like being put on a list of your bail list of people

01:05:18.120 you can't talk to and you know seeing see what happened to all the convoy characters whether

01:05:23.700 it's tamara litch chris barber jeremy mckenzie arthur the coots for like seeing all this like

01:05:28.400 up close and personal you know i i don't want to make a sound calm argument i just want to like

01:05:36.280 shout and be like it's a regime it's not a government they're corrupt they just want to

01:05:39.920 throw the dissonance in jail that's all it is but you know i need to like you know calm down

01:05:43.720 and breathe and be like okay like i'm not going to win that many people over by like freaking out

01:05:48.040 and screaming at them i need to kind of like make a sound argument and da da da but um yeah but for

01:05:53.720 people who are close to the convoy it's like we kind of already know what's up like we haven't

01:05:58.420 forgotten what happened we have seen example after example of the government or regime say show me

01:06:08.300 The man will show you the crime, like for you example.

01:06:11.000 They're like, okay, this guy was some sort of convoy leader.

01:06:15.360 He used to be a politician not long ago.

01:06:17.280 We got to punish him.

01:06:18.180 What are we going to do?

01:06:18.980 We'll say he assaulted police officers and then drag him through court for four years

01:06:22.480 and then just keep dragging him back and dragging him back.

01:06:25.100 That's just one example.

01:06:26.720 Another one that I like is you got Archer Pavlowski who gave a sermon at a protest

01:06:34.140 encouraging people to stand the line with his words,

01:06:36.720 and he got pinned with like this alberta provincial law having to do with like destroying

01:06:42.060 infrastructure it's like literally designed for like a terrorism basically um meanwhile you had

01:06:48.460 eco-terrorists like attack like an oil thing around the same time as the convoy that like

01:06:53.760 didn't even get covered it was a pipeline there was pipeline uh sabotage uh during that yeah so

01:06:59.680 it's like it's like obvious for people like us who who see all these different things going on

01:07:05.180 um but well you know one of the things that i find uh it's a little bit off topic but i'm

01:07:11.500 going to say like one of the things that strikes me as uh very perplexing is um you know for

01:07:19.660 everybody convoy related everybody no more lockdown related everybody who had who saw that

01:07:26.880 the jab was uh a danger you know and we're talking millions and millions of people right

01:07:32.880 Still, you know, a minority, but still many millions.

01:07:38.120 And they know that our government was lying to them,

01:07:45.440 lying to them about everything about COVID.

01:07:50.360 They were, when they were being told that you can't go out and get sunshine,

01:07:56.260 that's dangerous, or be with your mom or dad, or, you know.

01:08:00.540 You have to wear a mask when you walk in the restaurant.

01:08:03.140 Then once you get to the table, you can take the mask off.

01:08:05.720 Understand?

01:08:06.980 Yeah.

01:08:07.900 So, but there's an incredible number of these people

01:08:15.860 who must think that this was the only time ever that a government lied to them.

01:08:24.100 And this is really perplexing to me, Greg.

01:08:27.820 Like, how anybody doesn't realize that governments always lie.

01:08:37.560 They either lie outrightly or they lie through omission.

01:08:45.200 But they never, they are always bearing false witness.

01:08:51.600 Never, never.

01:08:53.960 is it fully the god's honest truth like it's just um and i don't know why so many canadians

01:09:05.620 believe that this time around this time around they're gonna be truthful they're telling me

01:09:14.840 they're being honest with me this time it's unlike every other time i i think that i don't

01:09:21.680 know if i've shared this theory with you before but i i think there's possibly credibility to it

01:09:26.860 i think this is something unique about canada we are a younger more naive nation historically

01:09:33.780 we haven't really had to we didn't really have our like dealing with the tyrant phase necessarily

01:09:39.500 like usually there's been parts of history where there's been maybe that been moments

01:09:43.560 but uh you know the current generation uh i was actually my own mom who said like greg we didn't

01:09:49.980 even have to like deal with the Vietnam thing. Like we didn't even have to deal with that 0.94

01:09:54.700 like crisis as a Canadian boomer here in Canada. And yeah, like we haven't really matured in

01:10:03.240 that way. I think, I think like the kind of the trials and tribulations we're dealing

01:10:07.620 with right now, I do think it is really like a testing, especially with the mass immigration 1.00

01:10:12.800 and everything else going on. Like this really is like a testing ground and we're going to

01:10:16.200 see what canada is made of we're either going to be like overrun and get conquered by like 0.76

01:10:22.040 globalism or we you know our character is going to be refined and we're going to push back and

01:10:27.160 we're going to really see what canada is made of um well that's that's interesting because you know

01:10:32.040 like you know just to give you the example like uh you know i was a big supporter of donald trump

01:10:37.160 and really was that was a was absolutely it was yeah yeah you know like and i thought that's very

01:10:46.420 important now that's very that's very important these days are you still are you were yeah no

01:10:52.000 listen i was i was pleasantly surprised and i was and i was confident at the beginning

01:10:59.680 you know and and then he followed through he went after the dei he went after the deep state agendas

01:11:06.240 of soji uh esg he went after the deep state with doge he was uh well on his way doing everything

01:11:16.740 that he said he was going to do until he ran into the roadblock uh of uh who's who's epstein

01:11:26.080 and no more wars um but what the epstein switch up was crazy wasn't it that was like it was like

01:11:35.420 bro in 2016 like your base was so activated draining the swamp talking about all that q 0.96

01:11:43.860 stuff like you know and it's like now you don't care about epstein it's like what what but you

01:11:50.060 see the difference like i was just looking at some of the numbers like the trump's disapproval

01:11:55.100 ratings are in the toilet like like his his polling numbers are dropping faster than the

01:12:02.580 bombs in Iran these days. He's down to 20 points. But we see here in Canada far less volatility

01:12:18.300 in our electorate. Volatility? Can you be more specific?

01:12:26.000 well there you know we're uh we are accepting of the dishonesty and the lies far uh far more

01:12:34.760 accepting of of dishonesty and lies and um you know like yeah we're not we're not going to punish

01:12:42.540 uh we're not going to punish the um prime minister for me for telling uh one or two lies or three or

01:12:50.740 four lies or wear a black face or whatever you know yeah like if you know if they go really a

01:12:56.560 little bit too far like the uh the ad scam scandal or something like that then then maybe we'll get

01:13:03.360 uh wrinkled and wild uh i i think there is a significant difference there where americans

01:13:11.260 treat their politics more like a sport and they are like an active participant in democracy they

01:13:18.140 vote they do the exit poll they get their button i voted i voted and uh maybe it's a small difference

01:13:24.180 but i think it manifests in a much bigger way whereas canadians are passive uh spectators and

01:13:31.460 they're like well i'm on the blue team and i'm just watching and i'm cheering for the blue team

01:13:34.660 and it's like well the blue team screwed you over they're you know they're they're lying to you yeah

01:13:39.780 but i'm part of the blue team and it's like okay but but like they hate you because because even

01:13:45.740 when i uh am critical of trump these days the great like on on twitter or x or whatever these

01:13:53.580 days the greatest numbers of uh of people accounts who are outraged at my criticism of trump are

01:14:04.140 canadians like um which you know like there's the canadian trump supporter um he's going to be as

01:14:13.020 loyal till the end of time um yeah just as they will be loyal to carney or or whoever i i have a

01:14:25.200 i have a story on that that i gotta share i'm not going to say who it was but you know they're

01:14:31.320 they've been a supporter of mine like you know i'm friends with the person we talk about politics

01:14:35.360 they're a little bit older and uh you know i'm part of dominion society and we did this

01:14:40.240 demonstration outside of the conservative party convention where we had a picture of polyev in a

01:14:44.240 turban and we said conserve what and like we're kind of like poking fun at them and being like hey

01:14:47.680 like you know maybe you should pander to like heritage canadians and not people who wear

01:14:51.720 turbans just a thought you know maybe push back more against immigration just a thought it's

01:14:55.080 pretty popular with real conservatives anyway this friend of mine is like he goes from saying

01:14:59.840 like well what you want carny to win you don't you want carny to win you want carny to win and

01:15:03.500 it's like we're we're doing an iron sharpens iron mentality okay to try and improve the

01:15:09.520 conservative party by you know dragging them in the right direction i'm explaining this and then

01:15:14.060 in the same breath this goes he goes well i like trump and i think he should bomb iran and like 0.99

01:15:19.640 you know wipe more of those muslims out and i'm just like whoa whoa whoa so i'm like you're gonna 1.00

01:15:25.040 accept like the pussified totally passive totally safe weak flaccid polyev and then they're gonna 1.00

01:15:34.340 be like you know rattling the saber for trump because he's blowing up muslims like literally 1.00

01:15:38.720 I'm like, how do you, how does that even work? 0.97

01:15:41.440 I was like so flabbergasted by this.

01:15:44.280 Well, that's, you know, you brought that up and I, you know, that's one of my pet peeves, Greg, is, and it's mostly on the conservative side, mostly on the blue team here,

01:15:57.440 that are more likely to applaud for wars in the Middle East.

01:16:08.960 It's mostly on the blue team that you'll get the people liking the bombing of Iran 0.99

01:16:15.900 and destroying Lebanon and Gaza. 0.69

01:16:20.380 And I say to them, like, so, you know, and this is pretty obvious,

01:16:24.280 you know, these things have consequences here at home.

01:16:27.440 big consequences you know the price on fuel has gone up 50 cents in the last four weeks in Perth

01:16:34.980 Ontario and the price of oil has gone up worldwide from 63 dollars to you know 100 105 110 it's a

01:16:44.340 little bit volatile right now but um that was because of Cardi though Cardi did that

01:16:50.040 well listen we've got high taxes no question about it um and it was april fool's day and we

01:16:58.020 got another new carbon tax today but but the bulk of the increase in the prices has been from the

01:17:04.040 war um and you know i know many farmers the cost and the availability of fertilizers is uh has gone

01:17:13.840 through the roof and it's also getting scarce so they're going to have trouble getting crops

01:17:19.200 in the ground, and it's going to be a lot more costly.

01:17:24.540 You know, diesel, like I'd fill up on diesel,

01:17:26.820 it's $2.30 a liter here now.

01:17:32.120 And, but also, you know, as Lebanon,

01:17:37.120 southern Lebanon is being destroyed, Beirut is being destroyed,

01:17:41.120 Syria is running into big problems as well,

01:17:47.400 and, of course, Iran.

01:17:48.400 And, you know, that ultimately leads to greater refugees and greater immigration here.

01:17:58.820 And so these same people who are plotting the war are also very likely to be absolutely opposed to immigration and refugees.

01:18:10.980 They want that shut down.

01:18:13.160 um and yeah like it is it is astonishing to me that there are so many canadians who can't see

01:18:22.460 beyond that that first order they they see the bombs dropping the right little bombs dropping

01:18:28.920 but they can't see the connection to the price at the pumps and uh more immigration and more

01:18:35.780 refugees coming into our country yeah and i would go one step further because you know there's a lot 1.00

01:18:43.040 of jewish like the jewish community some some of them support bb netanyahu some of them don't

01:18:48.860 but i made a video i think it was weeks after october 7th of this like terror attack where

01:18:55.140 like the palestinians like went into israel and you know so so aggressively everyone's like yes 0.99

01:19:01.080 like you know let's get into palestine and get some revenge or whatever and and and they're like

01:19:06.600 look at all these protests look at all these angry muslims look at all these angry anti-semites like 0.98

01:19:11.880 we got to stop this and we're also going to support bb blowing more muslims up and i'm like 1.00

01:19:18.700 don't you see in the video i'm like don't you like the first line of the video was are you 0.97

01:19:24.580 are you scared of all these angry muslims marching in the street well if you want more of that then 1.00

01:19:29.660 support israel bombing gaza because it's going to create a whole bunch of refugees and they're 1.00

01:19:34.480 going to come to a neighborhood near you and like it's that's not a lie that's not an exaggeration

01:19:39.340 And in some cases, you can even get the Israeli officials saying,

01:19:42.720 well, we're going to send them to Canada.

01:19:45.640 They'll deal with it.

01:19:46.720 And it's like...

01:19:49.260 And of course, one of the most striking examples of that

01:19:52.540 is members of the Jewish community

01:19:54.880 who are, let's say, oftentimes more likely to dislike Muslims

01:20:04.060 or be fearful of radical Muslims or whatever 0.98

01:20:09.480 who are very supportive of continuing to bomb them 0.98

01:20:15.620 in their home countries

01:20:16.980 without realizing, well, you're bringing them here.

01:20:22.300 So maybe we want to just let them live

01:20:26.360 over in their home countries,

01:20:29.480 let them keep their homes,

01:20:31.360 let them earn a living,

01:20:32.780 and uh uh and not bomb the hell out of them do you ever have a situation i'm sure you've had

01:20:40.500 these conversations where you'll meet an antagonistic blue team guy and they're like

01:20:46.160 randy you're crazy the rgc is out of control like you know hezbollah and like the list off all the

01:20:52.340 things and they're like what do you mean like we need to do something about these terrorists 0.99

01:20:56.620 like well like how do you how do you respond to that well listen i just you know listen i

01:21:03.440 understand there's conflicts in the world yeah um but i think yeah we don't want to bring those

01:21:09.180 conflicts here or we shouldn't amplify the likelihood of bringing those conflicts here

01:21:14.860 um yeah we should rather keep them far away um but you know um you know i've i've i can't begin

01:21:25.220 tell you how many people greg have told you know uh um every muslim's a danger 1.00

01:21:32.340 every muslim is radical they they want to in in my experiences you know in 68 years 0.91

01:21:39.620 is i've met many many muslims um i've never felt threatened none of them have ever acted any

01:21:48.980 violent or uh untoward way toward to me um you know i get my hair cut at a muslim barber

01:22:01.140 you know because there's only a muslim barber in in perth anymore uh and uh you know he doesn't

01:22:07.860 cut scalp my head and he doesn't cut my throat um and everything is so you know my you tried to

01:22:15.780 steal a barbara lollipop and then he cut your hand off you know these people are it's sort of like

01:22:23.020 during covid when we were told reject the evidence you know even though nobody was seeing anybody

01:22:30.960 dying on the streets there was no dead corpse on the streets of perth or ottawa people dying from

01:22:37.320 covid uh but we're told covid is deadly and and look at these videos of these chinese falling dead 0.97

01:22:44.360 over, and that's

01:22:47.500 what's coming here.

01:22:48.960 But our own observations,

01:22:51.300 our own experience said, well, that's not

01:22:53.280 true.

01:22:55.200 And it wasn't true.

01:22:57.340 And I think in large part

01:22:59.520 this

01:23:01.060 heightened

01:23:02.320 anxiety and hatred

01:23:05.280 towards Muslim, I think, is 0.54

01:23:07.120 very much overstated.

01:23:09.140 That's not to say that there aren't

01:23:11.180 some bad ones.

01:23:11.880 i think there's some bad ones and uh but uh but i i can tell you i would be a little bit angry

01:23:19.660 and a little bit upset if somebody bombed my house repeatedly and killed my family

01:23:23.340 um and stole my land and yeah i might i might get a little radical too you might hold a garage

01:23:29.400 interesting yeah i mean so i'll share a quick story on that because i do think it's a really

01:23:37.920 interesting topic like when i first got into politics i was very much oh my god spooky muslim 1.00

01:23:44.240 you know uh i remember i remember watching the video from way back faith goldie did this like

01:23:50.620 video on the danforth shooter and how like you know his brother whoever was like going to this

01:23:55.880 extremist mosque and blah blah blah and at the time i was like oh my god i'm very afraid of the

01:23:59.700 spooky muslims and uh i mean these days i kind of just think of it all as like the multiculturalism 1.00

01:24:06.080 like i don't think like you said like there's definitely more extremists for sure uh there's 0.91

01:24:12.040 definitely people who are more militant for sure but i kind of just chalk them up as like another

01:24:16.660 calistan now i'm like okay so there's like the calistan people doing their extreme thing there's

01:24:20.620 like the muslims doing their extreme thing but um to me like it's not necessarily unique they

01:24:27.560 uniquely don't like israel i'll say that they definitely have like a very uh you know specific 0.98

01:24:33.780 where they're like directing their ire that's for that's definitely unique but i guess like i i i do

01:24:39.820 agree with what you're saying because like i started to see it as like i feel like the the

01:24:46.500 sort of they try to whip up all this hatred towards muslims and it's like this isn't really

01:24:51.480 to help canadians though this is to kind of support a foreign agenda like i've started to

01:24:56.140 see that and i'm like yeah you know i kind of i i kind of support canada i support canadians

01:25:03.500 And, you know, I actually oppose all immigration. 1.00

01:25:07.040 You know, I'm not going to just pick on this one group.

01:25:09.340 Sure, they're extremists and they hate that group.

01:25:10.840 But listen, you know, I think you draw out a good point here is, you know, that's my view.

01:25:18.700 That's my experience.

01:25:20.380 That's my observations.

01:25:22.320 Now, if I was a Jewish person living in downtown Toronto, I might have a different set of experiences and observations, and therefore different conclusions.

01:25:39.480 But regardless, I would still not want to bomb them over in the Middle East and bring them here. 1.00

01:25:47.640 Right?

01:25:49.360 And so that's the...

01:25:51.680 So I feel like that's not a one to one comparison, though, because if you are Jewish and you're you're Randy Silverberg, like would would your home be Canada or would you see Israel as more of your home?

01:26:08.020 In which case, you know what I mean? Like it kind of like that's the interesting thing about about Jewish people is like like sometimes they don't see their home like they see Israel as their homeland, even though they live in Canada or they live in America.

01:26:20.660 so it is this weird sort of uh thing just to kind of you know not to get too deep into it between

01:26:28.020 are they are you a zionist are you not a zionist there's a bunch of different yeah

01:26:32.420 and and i'm not uh well suited to speak on on those things but i'm just um like you i think we

01:26:41.220 have uh had way too much immigration um period um you know uh over a an extended period of time

01:26:53.460 and that door should be closed shut completely um and and also encourage

01:27:03.860 other countries not to bomb and kill and destroy other countries um and um incent people to leave

01:27:14.720 yeah i it's yeah i mean it's simple i remember being really you know i i didn't want to pay

01:27:22.780 attention to like whatever the jewish lobby or the israeli lobby in politics i never really paid

01:27:28.440 too much attention to that but then after october 7th i was saying things like yeah can you guys

01:27:33.840 guys just get along and stop killing each other and then i would kind of get construed as like

01:27:38.120 being indoctrinated or like siding with the terrorists and i'm like you lost me you lost me

01:27:44.000 on that one uh okay um and then and then like when you keep pressing against a person like that 0.99

01:27:51.640 it becomes like you don't give a fuck about what i think is a canadian at all do you it's you you 0.98

01:27:57.640 really don't give a shit you only care about your thing okay wow all right well that's out there 0.99

01:28:02.660 that's good that's good information to know um so this this whole conservative principled western 0.99

01:28:08.220 values that was just a skin suit and then now you're just totally tribal for your team okay

01:28:11.840 all right game on got it uh

01:28:15.180 but uh did you want to get into anything else before we wrap it up mr hillier i think we've

01:28:22.940 covered a good chunk of territory and uh we probably have gotten ourselves in enough trouble

01:28:28.320 as it is uh uh you know we should save some trouble for the next round absolutely absolutely

01:28:36.200 um guys thanks so much for tuning everybody if you want to help support randy hillier in his next

01:28:43.060 legal phase of what he's doing it's no more lockdowns dot ca ca no more lockdowns dot ca

01:28:51.780 fantastic well we'll keep cheering you on is there a sort of next um like you know do you

01:28:58.640 have a week a month i'm gonna be putting out some notes i think i'm gonna come come down on a

01:29:04.980 decision next week um on what path i'm gonna go forward on um but again it's it's one of those

01:29:14.660 things i don't like you know as i described like dealing with the crown this is like uh you're

01:29:22.060 you're in a poker game and uh and the guy you're playing against uh is also is the dealer and he

01:29:32.500 has an endless pot and if he uh and if he can't beat you with the cards then he's just gonna

01:29:40.480 to anti you out of the game and so i don't want to show any cards yet uh until i'm ready but i

01:29:49.400 think probably next week i'll i'll make uh be making an announcement on where i go next in the

01:29:57.520 uh the never-ending uh prosecution of uh of the great assault on parliament hill

01:30:06.380 yes absolutely uh yeah no i like that analogy it's like your your short stack at the poker

01:30:14.480 table and it's like am i gonna go all in this round next hand or next hand am i gonna get a

01:30:20.060 better hand coming up i'll just go all in now let's go for it uh awesome well hey um thanks

01:30:26.880 again for watching everybody and uh there is going to be a mini documentary for c9 coming out

01:30:33.300 keep your eyes peeled for that should be really good there's going to be clips

01:30:36.600 from the full-length documentary but it's going to be designed for the senate and have you released

01:30:42.420 your uh free speech documentary for people to get not yet no not the so when are you going to do

01:30:48.460 that you know i i'm really happy with the first cut but the final cut needs to be improved to

01:30:54.880 kind of like reach out the yanko chamber more so uh i'm kind of just i've pivoted for the c9 thing

01:31:00.300 to make this mini doc

01:31:02.280 because there's a lot

01:31:03.280 of other things

01:31:04.280 I'm going to create

01:31:04.980 from this documentary

01:31:05.840 like you know

01:31:06.320 talking about academic freedom

01:31:07.560 and all sorts of other topics

01:31:09.640 but I figured C9

01:31:11.620 is a kind of a good place

01:31:12.640 to start

01:31:13.160 get something out there

01:31:14.320 it'll be a good teaser

01:31:15.200 for some of the interview clips

01:31:16.480 from the documentary

01:31:17.220 but definitely

01:31:18.560 you know

01:31:19.480 end of the spring, summer

01:31:20.840 I'm hoping to get

01:31:21.800 the full length

01:31:23.300 documentary out

01:31:24.340 but yeah

01:31:26.380 Well it's been a pleasure

01:31:28.080 and I hope

01:31:29.020 the audience

01:31:29.800 and anybody enjoyed the evening

01:31:31.400 and we'll talk

01:31:33.900 again soon.

01:31:36.800 Absolutely.

01:31:37.900 Absolutely.

01:31:40.100 Alrighty then.

01:31:42.480 See you next time everybody.

01:31:43.940 Alright.

Greg Wycliffe - April 02, 2026

Randy Hillier's Trucker Convoy Charges 4 Years Later - Exclusive Interview

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